Wow! First we have Michael Savage. Now Buchanan. What is this? National Prove Conservatives Can be Douches Too Day?

By the way, obviously I'm talking about Savage and Buchanan - NOT Charles.

What is this, revisionist history month! Does no one read books anymore and just dream up how they think history should be.

re: #1 Bill Dalasio

Wow! First we have Michael Savage. Now Buchanan. What is this? National Prove Conservatives Can be Douches Too Day?

Puke-cannon is not a "Conservative," he is a Jew-hating fascist moonbat.

Nice to see Pat continues to be one of my useful idiots.

And you think he was serious in threatening to assassinate me?

It's all part of the Uber-Moonbat World Domnating Socialist Plan!

I know I should be shocked, but given that it's Buchanan...I'm not.

Far left meet far Right. And both are dead wrong.

Pat Buchanan desperately needs some syrup to soothe that Coughlin fit.

Buchanan unwittingly proves his own thesis statement:

A little learning is a dangerous thing

Buchanan has been a douche for a long time.

The cost of the war that came of a refusal to negotiate Danzig was millions of Polish dead, the Katyn massacre, Treblinka, Sobibor, Auschwitz, the annihilation of the Home Army in the Warsaw uprising of 1944, and 50 years of Nazi and Stalinist occupation, barbarism and terror.

So Polish stubborness was to blame for WW2 and the Holocaust. You learn something new every day!

No wonder the Nazis have such a bad rep, they were practically forced to be who they were by the Polish!
/

re: #1 Bill Dalasio

Wow! First we have Michael Savage. Now Buchanan. What is this? National Prove Conservatives Can be Douches Too Day?

Are those two conservative?

So, when murderous leaders make demands of us, in violation of internationally set treaty, we should immediately capitulate.....so we can have ''peace.''
Have I got that right, Pat?

Of course, this all makes sense.

The Poles were guilty of causing WW2 just as the Jews are repsonsible for the mid east turmoil today.

By refusing to roll over for bullies, they bring it on themselves.

/This is the logic I would expect from a bullying isolationist like Buchanan.

What a maroon. Next thing you know he will be defending the Blitz.

Has he been hanging around with David Irving lately?

re: #7 bubblehead II

Far left meet far Right. And both are dead wrong.

nahh. He's gotten a lot crazier lately. Maybe he's the one who had the damn stroke!

I thought Pat Buchanan was one of us......silly me.

re: #4 Alouette

Whether he is or isn't, he claims to be. After all, he is publisher of American Conservative magazine. But, yeah no disagreement from me on your point.

Let's not be too hard on Pat, he lost a loved one at Auschwitz.

His uncle fell out of a guard tower.

I really think there's a serious coordinated effort in some right wing circles to change the history of WWII. Ben Stein and Pat Buchanan's ideas are getting some traction. I really hope they don't take root.

Pat buchanon never met a neo-Nazi he didnt like.
Had to correct his old logo.

The lesson to be learned - if you're not a bigoted, xenophobic douchebag like Buchanan - is that you take out dictatorial madmen before they become too poweful.

re: #13 coquimbojoe

Are those two conservative?

I stopped listening to Savage. He and Buchanan are now the lunatic fringe...

Because Poland refused to negotiate over Danzig, a Baltic port of 350,000 that was 95 percent German and had been taken from Germany at the Paris peace conference of 1919, in violation of Wilson’s 14 Points and his principle of self-determination.

So by his reckoning a Mexican invasion of the American Southwest would be justified.

Geez....while he was at it,why didn't Buchanan mention that Mussolini made the trains run on time as well?

re: #13 coquimbojoe

As I said, both claim to be.

The cost of the war that came of a refusal to negotiate Danzig was millions of Polish dead, the Katyn massacre, Treblinka, Sobibor, Auschwitz, the annihilation of the Home Army in the Warsaw uprising of 1944, and 50 years of Nazi and Stalinist occupation, barbarism and terror.

I think it sounds better in the original German.

/badump dump

re: #24 paxnhymn

I stopped listening to Savage. He and Buchanan are now the lunatic fringe...

Remember when lunatic fringe was on the sleeves of hippie jackets? Ah, the good old days.

re: #19 Bill Dalasio

Whether he is or isn't, he claims to be. After all, he is publisher of American Conservative magazine. But, yeah no disagreement from me on your point.

Yeah, so? Norman Finklestein and Noam Chomsky say they are Jews.

What a crock! Hitler just used Danzing as an excuse. Had the Poles accepted Hitler's demands, he would have still invaded. The elimination of Poland was something Hitler considered necessary, and there were many Germans who agreed with that. Even in the early days of the Weimar Republic, the German military considered Poland's existence unacceptable.

Read the history, Pat!

And people wonder why I don't like the man.

No, seriously. I have people actually ask me why I dislike Pat Buchanan. "Isn't he one of you?" They inevitably ask. And my inevitable reply is, "Not on your life."

If you're screwed up like Obama or Buchanan, anything that gets you through the next news cycle could be construed as "reasonable".

What absolute idiots. The end justifies the means?

It's a common liberal tactic as well.

If you would have told me last week that I would respect Ted Kennedy more than Pat Buchanan...

re: #18 Maximu§

I thought Pat Buchanan was one of us......silly me.

He never really was. Buchanan is, and was always, a populist. I find it most interesting that Jonah Goldberg devotes a chapter to Buchana in his book Liberal Fascism.

The cost of the war that came of a refusal to negotiate Danzig was millions of Polish dead, the Katyn massacre, Treblinka, Sobibor, Auschwitz, the annihilation of the Home Army in the Warsaw uprising of 1944, and 50 years of Nazi and Stalinist occupation, barbarism and terror.

Oh, I get it; appeasement works. Europe just didn't appease the Nazis hard enough. If only they'd ceded Danzig, then the rest of Poland, Belgium, France, England, etc., war could have been easily avoided.

Why didn't they think of that?

/Must I? Must I really?

No wonder he gets along so well with Mika Brzezinski on MSNBC!

re: #21 Killgore Trout

...Ben Stein and Pat Buchanan's ideas are getting some traction. I really hope they don't take root.

Well, let's not confuse silly with sh*theel.

Hitler had not wanted war with Poland.

Quote of the year.

No, Hitler just wanted Poland via any means at all.

Hey come on y'all - Mr. Buchanan is just trying to get a little press and stay become relevant.
/do I really need this?

re: #1 Bill Dalasio

Pat isn't a conservative. He's nothing more than a right wing fascist who isn't all that far apart politically from the left wing fascists. (Politics is circular.)

Let's take another look at the meme advanced by Herr Buchannan, since Poland would not appease Hitler regarding restoring access to Danzig, they were rightfully attacked and the Poles are to blame for being butchered and partitioned by the Nazi's and Soviets?

Fuck you, Pat.

Peter Hitchens: Was World War Two just as pointless and self-defeating as Iraq, asks Peter Hitchens

This is a very dangerous line of thinking.

re: #36 rabidsquirrel

Oh, I get it; appeasement works. Europe just didn't appease the Nazis hard enough. If only they'd ceded Danzig, then the rest of Poland, Belgium, France, England, etc., war could have been easily avoided.

Why didn't they think of that?

Kneepads weren't invented yet. The French gave it a hell of an effort though.

Wow. What a major turd.

"Damn those uppity Jews for not dying in the gas chambers, and now-not in Israel either."

Pat...Sit down and shut up!

This is kinda like some muslim whackjob claiming that he tried to persuade the woman not to wear such revealing clothing but she refused so he was forced to rape her.

re: #44 WriterMom

Howarrya?

re: #33 P. Aaron

If you're screwed up like Obama or Buchanan, anything that gets you through the next news cycle could be construed as "reasonable".

What absolute idiots. The end justifies the means?

It's a common liberal tactic as well.

You may be more right than you know, and we never talk about this. A lot of this postering is pure face time...pure and simple. Face time get's him PAYING interviews and speaking engagements. Gotta keep that face up there ya know. Look at An Coulter's anti-semetic comments outta knowhwere..she just happen to be promoting a book. ANd I know some of you are gonna hate me for this (Like I care) but McCain was pulling some of the same stunts during his "maverick" days and it looks like it paid great dividends for him...most of these people are media whores...

Bill Dalasio - any particular reason why you dinged my down on my #12? Not that I'm upset or offended or anything, just wondering.

There are times when obscure historical theoretics are overwhelmed by reality.

re: #31 Land Shark

What a crock! Hitler just used Danzing as an excuse. Had the Poles accepted Hitler's demands, he would have still invaded. The elimination of Poland was something Hitler considered necessary, and there were many Germans who agreed with that. Even in the early days of the Weimar Republic, the German military considered Poland's existence unacceptable.

Read the history, Pat!

Or at least the part about Operation Himmler.

so any country can invade another country, if it doesn't willingly negotiate away it's land?
we are living in a time, literally when anything goes.
logic, common sense, truth, out the window.
disgusting.

See, if we just gave in to every demand anyone ever asks of us, we can avoid all war and conflict forever! Doesnt it just make so much sense?

Hey Pat, I want to burn down your house and take all your money? Huh, you dont want to? Maybe can we negotiate where you just give me half of your money? Still no? If anything bad happens, it must be your fault.

He totally contradicts himself just in that short passage. He first states that Hitler's real goal was to fight Stalin, which is why der Fuhrer wanted an "alliance" with Poland in the first place. So, when the Poles wouldn't cooperate in this lovely "alliance," Hitler made a deal w/ Stalin to split Poland.
WHAT? This serves the goal of confronting Communism?!

This surprises anyone? The Paulians will certainly nod in approval.

Maybe Buchanan forgot the PIMF rule?

/nope

Calling Pat Buchanan pond scum would be an insult to ponds.

re: #49 bosforus

Only an error on writing. I apologize.

re: #57 Son of the Black Dog

.....and to the scum thereon

re: #47 Maine's Michael

Baruch Hashem, yom yom.

{Michael}

Did I tell you I hung out with zulubaby in Tel Aviv, on the beach. Was that ever fun.

re: #24 paxnhymn

I stopped listening to Savage. He and Buchanan are now the lunatic fringe...

That sums it up for me. I applaud Savage's fearless attitude standing up against some bad craziness, but he lost me a long time ago as a listener. Buchanan has always given me gas...

re: #57 Son of the Black Dog

Calling Pat Buchanan pond scum would be an insult to ponds.

And scum.

re: #57 Son of the Black Dog

Calling Pat Buchanan pond scum would be an insult to ponds.

And scum.

"But the Poles refused to negotiate. Why? Because they were a proud, defiant, heroic people and because Neville Chamberlain had insanely given an unsolicited war guarantee to Poland"

Well looks like Mr. Chamberlain caused it to me by reading that part of if.
/

Looks like someone missed their nap time.

I read this drivel yesterday and simply shook my head.

When you have Paulians and lefties quoting you more than Republicans, you know it's time to retire.

To Argentina.

re: #58 Bill Dalasio

Only an error on writing. I apologize.

No worries. Just thought maybe I unwittingly hit a nerve or something.

MSNBC and other media outlets give Buchanan air time so that he be negatively associated with Republicans.

Plenty of people still believe Buchanan is a mainstream Republican and speaks for the party's views.

He is among the reasons that in some places Republican is a dirty word.

Are we living in a big play called "Twitus Androidicus" were all the world 'tis a stage and the players positronics are short circuiting?

re: #20 Alouette

Let's not be too hard on Pat, he lost a loved one at Auschwitz.

His uncle fell out of a guard tower.

HA! That's funny... in a sick ass way.

re: #63 Honorary Yooper

And scum.

GMTA

re: #50 pat

overwhelmed by reality

You make an excellent point-true of most of the world. Too exhausted to deal wtih reality, postponing it, hitting the snooze button. In the end-it just bites you in the ass.

re: #42 Killgore Trout

This is a very dangerous line of thinking.

Revisionist history in the making.

re: #65 JammieWearingFool

I read this drivel yesterday and simply shook my head.

When you have Paulians and lefties quoting you more than Republicans, you know it's time to retire.

To Argentina.

What'd Argentina do wrong to deserve that?

re: #64 OrzBorz

"But the Poles refused to negotiate. Why? Because they were a proud, defiant, heroic people and because Neville Chamberlain had insanely given an unsolicited war guarantee to Poland"

Well looks like Mr. Chamberlain caused it to me by reading that part of if.
/

Looks like someone missed their nap time.

Neville Chamberlain was a warmonger. That could only come from the pen of a cretin like Buchanan.

re: #18 Maximu§

I thought Pat Buchanan was one of us......silly me.

I haven't thought that Pat Buchanan was one of us for a long, long time.

"From March to August 1939, Hitler tried to negotiate Danzig. But the Poles, confident in their British war guarantee, refused. So, Hitler cut his deal with Stalin, and the two invaded and divided Poland."

Stuff like this worries me- it's bullshit, but it's well though out bullshit. In reality Hitler's "negotiations" with the Poles were nothing more than stalling for time for him to complete the non-aggression pact with Stalin. As soon as THAT was done Poland's goose was cooked. This subtle misrepresentation is quite believable- I think Dr. Goebbels would have given the author a B+ if it were an assignment in propaganda school.

Bitter old Jew hater. Yeah, Hitler was sooo damned reasonable that an estimated 48 million human beings died as a result of his reason.

Nice revisionist history Pat. Have you read Mein Kampf? All those parts about "living space" for Germans? All that would be consider the rantings of a madman except for the fact that he actually tried and nearly succeeded in taking over all of Europe.

Pat Buchanan - History that only Ron Paul followers believe in.

Hitler tried, tried so hard to negotiate...he didn't get anywhere in the negotiations so he HAD TO INVADE!

/insane

And just what kind of negotiations does Bucahanon think that the Poles could have had with Hitler? A little give & take?
Not likely. Hitler didn't ask

re: #21 Killgore Trout

Ben Stein and Pat Buchanan are on completely different tracks here
. Lumping them together in this context is intellectually irresponsible and slanderous.

A question to some of you out there, in particular the ones who thought Buchanan was "on our side". Do you think he is an ally just because he self identifies as a Christian?

re: #57 Son of the Black Dog

Calling Pat Buchanan pond scum would be an insult to ponds scum.

fixed

The cost of the war that came of a refusal to negotiate Danzig

Stalin negotiated a non-aggression pact with Hitler. Hitler aggressed. Pat Buchanan is a fool.

At least Pat acknowledges Auschwitz.

re: #76 CIA Reject

Stuff like this worries me- it's bullshit, but it's well though out bullshit. In reality Hitler's "negotiations" with the Poles were nothing more than stalling for time for him to complete the non-aggression pact with Stalin. As soon as THAT was done Poland's goose was cooked. This subtle misrepresentation is quite believable- I think Dr. Goebbels would have given the author a B+ if it were an assignment in propaganda school.

yeah, over the last couple of years there's been a lot of dumbing down of the history of Nazi germany....it'll get worse as the Holocaust survivors and WWII vets die off and there's no one left to carry on the fight...scares the livin' shit outta me..

re: #72 Athos

Revisionist history in the making.

Fixed that for tense.

re: #65 JammieWearingFool

I read this drivel yesterday and simply shook my head.

When you have Paulians and lefties quoting you more than Republicans, you know it's time to retire.

To Argentina.

There is a reason h