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Wikipedia Removes USSR Anthem Info from 'Decemberists' Page

Wed, May 21, 2008 at 3:23:21 pm PDT

You have got to be kidding.

Earlier today I linked to the Wikipedia page about the band The Decemberists, to point out that in addition to warming up for Barack Obama in Oregon, the band is known for using the National Anthem of the Soviet Union as an introduction to their concerts.

That section of the Wikipedia page has now gone down the memory hole. Here’s what it looks like now: The Decemberists - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

The band is named in reference to an 1825 revolt over the Imperial Russian succession (Decembrist revolt). It is not related to the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917, although Meloy has referred to the historical Decembrists as a communist revolutionary group. [2] Their name is also a reference to the atmosphere associated with the month of December.

Here’s the page as it existed earlier today: The Decemberists - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

The band is named in reference to an 1825 revolt over the Imperial Russian succession (Decembrist revolt), and is not related to the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917. [2] Their name is also a reference to the atmosphere associated with the month of December. The band’s use of the National Anthem of the Soviet Union as an introduction at many concerts has sparked controversy as it is seen by some as an endorsement of the Soviet system.[citation needed]

Leftists scurrying around at Wikipedia and reacting to news stories by hiding things that make Barack Obama look bad? Say it ain’t so!

It gets pretty blatant when they start trying to hide facts that are completely uncontroversial and undisputed. I had heard about The Decemberists’ intro music long before seeing that Wikipedia entry.

Here’s a video, in fact, of the introduction to one of their shows in Pennsylvania a year ago, which captures the rousing Communist strains of the USSR anthem quite well.

Youtube Video

If you feel like singing along...

Unbreakable Union of freeborn Republics,
Great Russia has welded forever to stand.
Created in struggle by will of the people,
United and mighty, our Soviet land!

CHORUS:
Sing to the Fatherland, home of the free,
Bulwark of peoples in brotherhood strong.
O Party of Lenin, the strength of the people,
To Communism’s triumph lead us on!

2.
Through tempests the sunrays of freedom have cheered us,
Along the new path where great Lenin did lead.
To a righteous cause he raised up the peoples,
Inspired them to labour and valourous deed.

CHORUS

3.
In the victory of Communism’s deathless ideal,
We see the future of our dear land.
And to her fluttering scarlet banner,
Selflessly true we always shall stand!

CHORUS

UPDATE at 5/21/08 3:44:23 pm:

Here’s the person who made the change. The IP address traces to Chicago, Illinois.

UPDATE at 5/21/08 4:01:47 pm:

The page has been reverted as of this writing...

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1 Bubblehead II  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:24:31pm

Inconient truths are generally the ***** things to go down the memory hole.

2 DesertSage  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:24:46pm

Boy, them Lefties are quick.

3 Bubblehead II  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:25:11pm

Inconvenient PIMF!

4 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:25:22pm

It never happened.

5 coquimbojoe  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:26:00pm

Comrade! Hiding from what you believe is an admission in itself that you might be wrong.

6 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:26:01pm

I am never using Wikipedia again.

7 coquimbojoe  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:26:40pm

re: #3 Bubblehead II

Inconvenient PIMF!

I thought you meant incontinent....

8 godfrey  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:27:08pm

The Soviets sent a good man I know to a Siberian gulag for ten years.

Hey Decemberists and their fans: fuck you.

9 Dianna  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:27:47pm

I liked The International better.

10 Bubblehead II  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:28:24pm

re: #7 coquimbojoe

Well, you know how it is. Mind in third, fingers in first. :-)

11 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:29:04pm

Isn't there a tool to see who made the Wikipedia change? Anyone associated with, maybe, the Obama campaign?

12 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:29:13pm

Wikipedia = GIGO.

For those of you who are too young, GIGO "Garbage In, Garbage Out"
See Moody’s error gave top ratings to debt products or "To err is human, to really screw things up, you need a computer!"

13 ocelot  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:29:52pm

Surely the Leningrad Cowboys have the antidote:

ocelot

14 opnion  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:30:02pm

I am still confused. Did the Obama Campaign book these people, or was it planned concert that the just hopped on?

15 pat  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:30:27pm

The Rev Wright of Bands

16 J.S.  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:30:43pm

Speaking of National Athems...I once saw the national Athem of Communist China played (alongwith a translated script with the lyrics..), now that was chilling...red/blood, etc. (think I'll check out the wiki site...)

17 Ojoe  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:31:36pm

Half a chicken in every pot

And half a car in every garage,

Comrade

18 missouri boy  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:31:50pm

Removing the info is just the BHO follower's way of leading us into a gentler , more tolerant era, away from the mean, ugly USA we know today....just saying

/ need I?

19 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:31:58pm

The Hunt for Red October

20 Dianna  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:32:04pm

Goodnight, lizards.

I am leaving to go be tortured at martial arts so I can test on the 31st without disgracing either myself or my master.

It's going to hurt.

21 EC Marm  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:32:11pm

In a different time:
History will be kind to me for I intend to write it.
Winston Churchill

Today:
History will be kind to me for I intend to re-write it.
Barack [] Obama

22 izbliss  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:32:27pm

#11

I remember there being something to track changes to wikipedia. It was all over the news a few months back.

23 winston06  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:33:27pm

Obama is a scary Marxist!

24 coquimbojoe  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:33:32pm

re: #14 opnion

I am still confused. Did the Obama Campaign book these people, or was it planned concert that the just hopped on?

My question is did they play the Soviet anthem before that concert - thereby playing it before the Obama campaign? Did Obama's staffers know about this little crapfest before their concerts?

25 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:33:32pm

re: #14 opnion

I am still confused. Did the Obama Campaign book these people, or was it planned concert that the just hopped on?

Well you can be damn sure they would would not book that gal who sings about putting the Marine Bumper Sticker on her SUV!

26 uncle_monkey  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:34:15pm

So, is the allmusic.com page going to remove the photos of them in front of the red communist flags holding the little red book?

27 coquimbojoe  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:34:32pm

re: #26 uncle_monkey

So, is the allmusic.com page going to remove the photos of them in front of the red communist flags holding the little red book?

Linky stat!

28 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:34:52pm

Does anyone know if the anthem was actually played at the Obama rally?

29 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:35:00pm

re: #24 coquimbojoe

My question is did they play the Soviet anthem before that concert - thereby playing it before the Obama campaign? Did Obama's staffers know about this little crapfest before their concerts?

He was there, but he didn't hear anything offensive.

/AAAARGH!

30 sattv4u2  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:35:25pm

re: #28 Killgore Trout

Does anyone know if the anthem was actually played at the Obama rally house ?

ooopppss ,, sorry Michelle

31 sultan_knish  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:35:29pm

The Decembrists playing Valerie Plame

32 tripletdad  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:35:41pm

Interesting that their anthem was (is?) more about the glories of their party than their country.

33 sultan_knish  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:36:33pm

anthem was apparently not played at the rally, or at least if it was there's no record of it

clips are online at youtube

34 opnion  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:36:35pm

re: #30 sattv4u2

ooopppss ,, sorry Michelle


This discussion is not good for her children.

35 yochanan  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:36:57pm

i always liked the 'international' better than the stalinist song.

at least when the international was sung they did not know the evil that stalin would bring,

36 IslandLibertarian  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:37:01pm

Joseph Stalin made use of photo retouching for propaganda purposes........

I found this at Wikipedia.

Birds of a feather............

37 RobCon  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:37:10pm

Left wingers from Portland? WOW. Nice tune. Did they sugue into
"Der Horst Wessel Lied" as well.

38 godfrey  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:37:14pm

It's too bad. I like their collection of things on their website.

Lose the anthem, lose the Obama endorsement, and all will be forgiven.

39 siberian khatru  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:37:59pm

re: #6 Fat Jolly Penguin
I am never using Wikipedia again.

While I can understand the sentiment, I must vehemently disagree with it. The last thing we conservative & libertarian types should be doing is conceding yet another information channel to the control of the leftists! Especially one in which we, as individuals, can actually do something about it. We need to take a page from their playbook and do what they do -- stake out these "controversial" entries and zealously guard them, immediately reverting any edits which attempt to flush inconvenient facts down the memory hole, removing any attempts to insert political bias into nonpolitical subjects, and generally refusing to be silenced.

40 yesandno  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:39:27pm

And to think we actually believed that we had defeated communism!

They are in every University, every part of the government, arts, etc.

McCarthy was right about who was right and who was left. We now have the results of what was left....wish the dog had eaten it.

41 jaunte  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:39:30pm

re: #14 opnion

I am still confused. Did the Obama Campaign book these people, or was it planned concert that the just hopped on?

It look like they booked them, and were fairly quiet about promoting it,
according to this:
"Decemberists to Rock with Barack on the Waterfront Sunday"
[Link: localcut.wweek.com...]

42 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:39:39pm

re: #33 sultan_knish

anthem was apparently not played at the rally,


Interesting display of patriotism on the part of the lefties.

43 uncle_monkey  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:40:40pm

re: #36 IslandLibertarian

Joseph Stalin made use of photo retouching for propaganda purposes........

I found this at Wikipedia.

Birds of a feather............

Yeah. the now you see him now you don't Trotsky photos are famous...

44 Silhouette  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:40:55pm

Hattip to #526 KCrary from the previous Obama rally thread, I do believe.

45 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:40:55pm

re: #39 siberian khatru

I am never using Wikipedia again.

While I can understand the sentiment, I must vehemently disagree with it. The last thing we conservative & libertarian types should be doing is conceding yet another information channel to the control of the leftists! Especially one in which we, as individuals, can actually do something about it. We need to take a page from their playbook and do what they do -- stake out these "controversial" entries and zealously guard them, immediately reverting any edits which attempt to flush inconvenient facts down the memory hole, removing any attempts to insert political bias into nonpolitical subjects, and generally refusing to be silenced.

Well I don't get to work up about Wikipedia. As long as a reputable paper like the NYT does not play loose with the facts I am......OH they do right...never mind!

46 rawmustard  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:41:10pm

re: #22 izbliss

The passage was removed by an unregistered with the IP 24.13.141.176. If an appropriate citation can be made, then perhaps it could be placed back in the article.

47 Pastorius  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:41:15pm

I want to know, does Obama wear black nail polish? Does he cut himself?

48 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:41:55pm
49 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:42:07pm

re: #36 IslandLibertarian

Joseph Stalin made use of photo retouching for propaganda purposes........

I found this at Wikipedia.

Birds of a feather............

And this was all pre-Photoshop.

I knew this years ago. The Soviets did this a lot. A chemistry professor had two copies of a picture of communist dignitaries at some event. Some of them were no longer acceptable, so the picture was edited. Some of the background had to get moved, but that's the price of cutting and pasting photographs without the sophistication of Photoshop.

50 DesertSage  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:42:20pm

Wake up Republicans and Conservatives, get your shit together.... Marxism is very sneaky.

They've infiltrated the entire Democrat Party (see # 15) and now they're gunning for the highest office in the land....with a happy face in one Mr. Barack H. Obama.

One man stands between us and a complete Marxist takeover of the U.S. That man is John McCain. Say what you want about McCain, he wasn't my first choice either. But if you don't want to see the Decemberists playing at Barack H. Obama's inauguration next year, then I suggest you put some effort into getting McCain elected.

51 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:42:23pm

Hey they're just keeping with the spirit of the old Soviet Union.

52 Kaptain  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:42:34pm

"If they think that they’re going to try to make Michelle the Decemberists an issue in this campaign, they should be careful. Because that I find unacceptable.... to try to distort or to play snippets of her remarks their music in ways that are unflattering to her me I think is just low class"

/BO off

53 Pastorius  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:43:39pm

Can you imagine if Ronald Reagan had invited Bauhaus to play at one of his campaign events?

For God's sake.

54 Silhouette  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:43:42pm

re: #40 yesandno

And to think we actually believed that we had defeated communism!

They are in every University, every part of the government, arts, etc.

In the new Indy movie, the lead villian, a commie chick, dreams of psychic warfare against the US.

She says, "Imagine, we would get into your teachers minds, making them teach the real truth and real history." THey're there.

If it wasn't moonbat Lucas in charge, I would think that was an anti-idiotarian cinema moment.

55 Eowyn2  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:43:49pm

re: #32 tripletdad

Interesting that their anthem was (is?) more about the glories of their party than their country.

written by Lenin?

56 PloniAlmoni  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:44:10pm

Coming from the USSR, it's especially unbelievable to see Communist Party songs becoming part of popular culture in the US. It's only in the past couple of decades that we've fully learned what horrific acts Stalin is responsible for and it's already cool to sing the USSR anthem...how pathetic.

57 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:44:10pm
58 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:44:32pm

re: #46 rawmustard

The passage was removed by an unregistered with the IP 24.13.141.176. If an appropriate citation can be made, then perhaps it could be placed back in the article.

That's a Comcast IP address in Illinois
Comcast Cable Communications, Inc. EASTERNSHORE-1 (NET-24-0-0-0-1)
24.0.0.0 - 24.15.255.255
Comcast Cable Communications ILLINOIS-14 (NET-24-12-0-0-1)
24.12.0.0 - 24.15.255.255

Hmmm- where does Obama live again?

59 Charles  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:45:02pm

Yes, the IP traces to Chicago, Illinois.

60 nikis-knight  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:45:04pm

re: #46 rawmustard

The passage was removed by an unregistered with the IP 24.13.141.176. If an appropriate citation can be made, then perhaps it could be placed back in the article.

Well, you can use Charles' post as a citation now that he has the video posted, right? That'd be too funny.

61 uncle_monkey  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:45:13pm

It'll be hard to wipe all these pics off the internet - but then again, anything to protect the Big O.

62 Silhouette  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:45:22pm

Commie chic. How many had Mao handbags and Che shirts, if not on, at home in the closet?

63 Charles  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:45:24pm

Here's the person's edit history:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

64 sattv4u2  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:45:26pm

re: #58 Kosh's Shadow

That's a Comcast IP address in Illinois
Comcast Cable Communications, Inc. EASTERNSHORE-1 (NET-24-0-0-0-1)
24.0.0.0 - 24.15.255.255
Comcast Cable Communications ILLINOIS-14 (NET-24-12-0-0-1)
24.12.0.0 - 24.15.255.255

Hmmm- where does Obama live again?

OZ ?

65 sattv4u2  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:45:54pm

re: #58 Kosh's Shadow

That's a Comcast IP address in Illinois
Comcast Cable Communications, Inc. EASTERNSHORE-1 (NET-24-0-0-0-1)
24.0.0.0 - 24.15.255.255
Comcast Cable Communications ILLINOIS-14 (NET-24-12-0-0-1)
24.12.0.0 - 24.15.255.255

Hmmm- where does Obama live again?

I'm cure it's one of the 58 states

66 yochanan  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:45:56pm

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

hopefully this is the pre stalinist version
in my foolish youth i was a trot. even then i knew of the crimes of joe stalin

67 Eowyn2  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:46:05pm

re: #36 IslandLibertarian

Joseph Stalin made use of photo retouching for propaganda purposes........

I found this at Wikipedia.

Birds of a feather............


I prefer the red cross and cana photography

68 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:46:43pm

re: #56 PloniAlmoni

Coming from the USSR, it's especially unbelievable to see Communist Party songs becoming part of popular culture in the US. It's only in the past couple of decades that we've fully learned what horrific acts Stalin is responsible for and it's already cool to sing the USSR anthem...how pathetic.

The Commies in the US don't see things in that light, though. They figure that communism could have worked in Russia, and of course the rest of the world; it just didn't have the right people at the helm.

69 sattv4u2  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:46:44pm

re: #65 sattv4u2

I'm cure SURE it's one of the 58 states

damn fat thumb

70 docremulac  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:47:31pm

Huh huh. Yaa, communism is like, totally cool n stuff 'cause like, they don't have like, George Bush or whatever.

71 sultan_knish  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:47:58pm

the Decemberists playlist for the Obama rally is pretty instructive

Crane Wife 1 & 2
July, July
Valerie Plame
The Island / Come and See
Engine Driver
O Valencia
Perfect Crime #2
16 Military Wives
Sons & Daughters

Here are the lyrics for 16 Military Wives

[Link: www.sing365.com...]

but if the lyrics are too confusing, look up the video

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Shot at Cleveland High School in Portland, OR, the video takes place at the fictional Barger Rothery Academy. Colin Meloy plays Henry Stowecroft, a student who represents the United States in the school's Model UN. Fed up with Jude (Nate Query), another student who seems to surpass him on every occasion, Henry goes after Carl (Chris Funk), a shy student who mostly keeps to himself, by initiating a campaign of harassment. Within the UN, the U.S. declares war on Luxembourg, the country Carl represents. Henry has his lackeys block Carl from using the bathroom, pelts Carl with crumpled paper projectiles, gets the lunch lady to deny Carl food service, and plants contraband in Carl's locker and then reports him to school authorities. Molly (Jenny Conlee) leads a revolt against Henry by recruiting the rest of the Model UN to perform a protest song during a meeting of the club. Henry, defeated, flees the meeting, and the video ends with him buried in crumpled paper.

The notion of Henry, representing the United States, bullying a smaller country reflects the song's lyrical meaning.

The point is not exactly subtle and this was the pre-show for Obama

72 sattv4u2  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:48:38pm

re: #63 Charles

Here's the person's edit history:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

He's a busy lil bee,,,,, what did he edit in the Statewide opinion polling for the Democratic Party presidential primaries, 2008?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

73 yochanan  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:48:39pm

re: #57 buzzsawmonkey

Trotsky being removed was the most famous one, but after every purge they removed the purged from the old photo's

just think of what stalin would have done with photo shop

74 Globular Cluster  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:48:43pm

Just log in and revert it.

If you want, I'll do it.

75 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:50:13pm

re: #73 yochanan

Trotsky being removed was the most famous one, but after every purge they removed the purged from the old photo's

just think of what stalin would have done with photo shop

Well with out it he photo shopped millions of Russians and others out of existence anyway.

76 Bubblehead II  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:50:18pm

re: #63 Charles

But is it a fixed or dynamic IP address? Can you tellfrom the Who Is data?

"This is the contributions page for an anonymous user, identified by the user's numerical IP address. Some IP addresses change periodically, and may be shared by several users. If you are an anonymous user, you may create an account or log in to avoid future confusion with other anonymous users."

77 Andy in Colorado  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:50:32pm

Am I a jerk for saying that I think the underlying music behind the Soviet National Anthem is quite beautiful?

Doing a trace to that IP gets to Comcast's network, going through a couple Chicago routers before timing out.

78 nikis-knight  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:50:36pm

re: #71 sultan_knish

Valerie Plame

Um... what? Sigh... speaking of rewriting history, I'll wager...

79 earth56  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:50:53pm

Obama is here TO SERVE MAN

wait 5 seconds for it to start

80 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:51:12pm

What did he change here?


# 18:06, 3 December 2006 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mahmoud Ahmadinejad%u200E (I don't know why I can't delete this... but I fixed the formatting.)
# 18:04, 3 December 2006 (hist) (diff) Mahmoud Ahmadinejad%u200E (%u2192Iran-Israel relations)
81 Globular Cluster  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:51:16pm

Just as a side note, the Decembrists themselves (an organization of liberal military officers in the early 19th century who wished to overthrow the autocratic tsar) was not an evil movement, like Marxism. They wanted greater rights for the serfs (emancipation, I think). For this reason, the Soviets lionized the Decembrists, even though they had very little in common.

Fact check me, but I think I'm right.

82 spudly  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:51:17pm
Leftists scurrying around at Wikipedia and reacting to news stories? Say it ain’t so!

Not "Leftists scurrying around at Wikipedia and reacting to news stories,"
leftists REDACTING to news stories. ;)

83 uncle_monkey  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:51:34pm

re: #63 Charles

Here's the person's edit history:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Bwahahahaha!
Alternates between Democratic opinion polls, Star Trek Games and the SF Giants' Ryan Vogelsong!?
Too good!
ROFL!

84 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:51:54pm

re: #79 earth56

Obama is here TO SERVE MAN

wait 5 seconds for it to start

I'll take mine medium rare please.

85 somaking  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:52:49pm

Who wants to add it back?

86 sultan_knish  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:52:55pm

re: #77 Andy in Colorado

the music was derived from the Czarist hymn God Save the Czar which itself was derived from the British God Save the King

87 WitchDoctor  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:53:10pm

LMAO:

Edit #10:

"# 19:30, 19 April 2008 (hist) (diff)
Statewide opinion polling for the Democratic Party presidential primaries, 2008%u200E
(%u2192Polling: The delegate count is what will be used in the democratic national convention to determine a nominee, it is more accurate to use than the popular vote. 2 maps.) "

Further down:

"18:06, 3 December 2006 (hist) (diff)
Talk:Mahmoud Ahmadinejad%u200E (I don't know why I can't delete this... but I fixed the formatting.)"

88 yesandno  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:53:16pm

Nothing like C H A N G E................

89 anotherindyfilmguy  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:53:21pm

Obamatwits acting Orwellian... why am I not surprised?

90 itellu3times  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:53:25pm

These are not the Decembrists I've known for twenty years.

91 sultan_knish  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:53:49pm

re: #78 nikis-knight

Um... what? Sigh... speaking of rewriting history, I'll wager...

one of the songs the Decemberists played before the rally began was Valerie Plame

92 bakishamil  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:53:57pm

Hello everyone

'Decemberists' band do they have russian origin members or they just bunch of moon bat scum that what their concert to be sensor by dictatorship government like CCCP

thank everyone

93 sattv4u2  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:54:00pm

re: #84 Nevergiveup

I'll take mine medium rare please.

Is that a racial slur about the Obamessiahs mixed background? As his typical white grandmother, I strongly objct

94 A.W.  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:54:19pm

Can we question their patriotism?

95 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:54:22pm

If someone here adds it back to Wiki, also add a link to the video.

96 Nadnerb  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:54:27pm

re: #63 Charles

Interesting entry edit history! His interests lie around role-playing video games, Star Trek esoterica and the DNC. Not that there's anything wrong with those, but I'm getting an interesting mental picture here...

97 Pastorius  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:54:31pm

#77
You may not be a jerk, but you are kind of funny.

98 Nemesis6  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:54:33pm

There's really nothing to sing along with unless you can read the original, Cyrillic lyrics... Stuff is always lost in translation, in this case it's the entire nostalgia.

99 Clovis69  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:54:36pm

I just went in to return the edit back to include the bit about the USSR, its already been reverted back to include that detail.

100 earth56  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:54:48pm

re: #84 Nevergiveup

I'll take mine medium rare please.


Don't forget that we just added 7 more states to the Union.

and I thought I knew my geography...oh well back to Jeapordy !

101 Daisy  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:55:34pm

" In the victory of Communism’s deathless ideal,..."

Deathless? Oh really?

"In the early Stalin years, the camp populations were roughly stable, but by 1930 by most estimates the number had skyrocketed to 1,000,000 inmates. But the growth era of the camps was only beginning: by 1940 the concentration camps contained about 10,000,000 souls, while camp conditions grew ever worse. The prison population declined and living conditions improved considerably after Stalin's death, but the slave labor camps persisted into the Gorbachev years."

And that's just the tip of the commie camaraderie.
[Link: www.gmu.edu...]

102 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:55:59pm

re: #74 Globular Cluster

Just log in and revert it.

If you want, I'll do it.

Please do.

Thanks.

103 nyc redneck  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:56:14pm

is everything abt. the obamanation anti-american?

104 yochanan  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:56:44pm

re: #92 bakishamil

just wondering what the top flag is never seen that one before.

105 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:57:04pm
106 Omega  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:57:25pm

Unfortunately, Wikipedia has gotten pretty bad with this kind of stuff. Many of the Editors and Admins are noted lefties, and they protect many of the articles that have been edited according to their own ideology.

A good example of the bias is the article on "The Great Global Warming Swindle" documentary. Its currently flagged by some of the Admins to report to them any edits to the article, and they revert any changes immediately. In some cases, they will ban the IP of the user, and claim "vandalism".

The article does meet Wiki's rule for NPOV (Neutral Point Of View). When non-liberal Editors attempted to fix the article for neutrality, it was reverted by a liberal Admin almost immediately. If you look at the discussion page there, you can clearly see the liberals protecting the slant of the article.

107 dak  Wed, May 21, 2008 3:58:18pm

Yes, the old Commie anthem. We heard it enough during Olympics and the Hockey series (such as the Canada cup). I used to think it was a nice melody, even though it represented a evil regime. It has a sort of undercurrent of misery that has always been the Russians' lot, no matter who governed them.

On another note, they didn't just send innocents to the Gulag. Remember this guy who gave them the H bomb, so that they could put us all under a death sentence for 30 years? Yeah, the same guy who wrote a book about it and tried to re-invent himself as a big pacifist.

He got a Nobel peace prize if I remember correctly, just like Arrafat.

Soljenytin or something like that.

108 Andy in Colorado  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:00:09pm

#97 Pastorius

Um, thanks, I think....

109 see bs  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:00:49pm

Brought to you by the Left! - Rewriting History, 1 Wiki page at a time!

110 snowcrash  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:00:52pm

The Obama Camp has to be getting tired, always racing around trying to put out fires and do damage control.

111 Yankee Division Son  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:01:13pm
Here’s the person who made the change. The IP address traces to Chicago, Illinois.

Hmmm lots of democrat entries modified by this person.. let's see... Chicago,.. Chicago.. Who's from Chicago?

~tapping fingers on desk~

A real head scratcher..

112 markie  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:01:36pm

Maybe someone will change it back.

That band should've been called the Octoberists. If they were truly Decemberists they'd use the old/new Russian anthem.

113 thor  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:02:03pm

IP address: 24.13.141.176
IP address country: United States
IP address state: Illinois
IP address city: Chicago
IP postcode: 60631
IP address latitude: 41.999001
IP address longitude: -87.821999
ISP of this IP : Comcast Cable
Organization: Comcast Cable
Host of this IP: c-24-13-141-176.hsd1.il.comcast.net

114 trdlgmsr  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:02:24pm

Someone already added it back, with citation this time. :)

115 Nadnerb  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:02:37pm

I fixed it. No more memory hole.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

116 markie  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:03:44pm

re: #105 Ringo the Gringo

re: #112 markie

Here we go again....duelling Wiki edits!

117 sattv4u2  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:05:28pm

re: #116 markie

re: #112 markie

Here we go again....duelling Wiki edits!

wif banjos ,,, sitting on the bridge over the river ?

118 sngnsgt  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:05:46pm

Way OT: A friend I was chatting w/ on Yahoo just asked an interesting question: IF Barack Hussein Obama is elected, when he takes the oath of office, will he rufuse to place his left hand on the Bible and raise his right hand?

119 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:06:01pm

What pathetic geeks these losers are. Remember the olden days most rock bands looked cool, even if they played like crap?

120 BBev  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:06:58pm

How could America have fallen like this. When I was a child (born in 1963) I would watch movies how we won in WWII and John Wayne was a hero the shy was blue and the glass was always half full. Cut to today, movies show America as evil and the hero's are thugs and losers and the glass to them is half empty. I refuse to sit back and just take it.

121 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:07:34pm

re: #119 Bob in Breckenridge

What pathetic geeks these losers are. Remember the olden days most rock bands looked cool, even if they played like crap?

They really didn't look so cool, your eyes were just kinda blood shot.

122 nyc redneck  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:07:36pm

re: #110 snowcrash

The Obama Camp has to be getting tired, always racing around trying to put out fires and do damage control.

it just shows that they KNOW what they are doing and saying is wrong, at least for a lot of americans. the attempt at deception is very telling.

123 sattv4u2  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:08:03pm

re: #118 sngnsgt

Way OT: A friend I was chatting w/ on Yahoo just asked an interesting question: IF Barack Hussein Obama is elected, when he takes the oath of office, will he rufuse to place his left hand on the Bible and raise his right hand?

Why would he refuse? Sorry, but I'm one conservative who doesn't buy into the whole "Obama must be a Muslim because his father once was and children have to be becuase the Koran says so"

Lets not forget, Obamas BIGGEST problem so far is that he attended a CHRISTIAN church with a radical preacher for 20 years

124 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:08:05pm
125 sultan_knish  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:08:27pm

re: #107 dak

You're thinking of Sakharov, who was a genuine dissident and worked for human rights in the USSR.

Solzhenystin was a rather creepy monarchist who moved to America and spent the rest of his time here bashing America.

126 dak  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:08:53pm

#84

I like this one better

127 Alouette  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:09:05pm

This is the Russian Federation National Anthem that my grandkids learn to sing in school.

This is the Soviet anthem.

128 yochanan  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:09:10pm

[Link: www.hellochicago.com...]

this is in the northwest side of chicago, not obama zip code

129 sattv4u2  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:09:33pm

re: #125 sultan_knish

You're thinking of Sakharov, who was a genuine dissident and worked for human rights in the USSR.

Solzhenystin was a rather creepy monarchist who moved to America and spent the rest of his time here bashing America.

and making money in a capitalist society

130 sultan_knish  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:10:04pm

re: #123 sattv4u2

Wright was a Black Muslim originally and his theology owes more to that then to Christianity.

131 hermeneutics  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:10:06pm

I just got on and have to go, but I know he 60637 zipcode from my doctoral days at Univ of Chicago. It is SE of Washington Park (a really scary place) which is the western boundary of University of Chicago. In other words, he person writing this is probably associated with the university. It is very near the law school.

132 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:10:48pm

Well it's raining at Yankee Stadium and all the sailors at the game for Fleet Week are getting wet. I guess there is a certain symmetry to that?

133 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:10:49pm
134 hermeneutics  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:10:58pm

Oh, darn I thought is was 60637 ... SORRY. My big mistake.

135 dak  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:12:00pm

#125

Yeah, I guess I got those two confused...

136 BakiShamil  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:12:34pm

re: #104 yochanan

Hi....

That flag from Azerbaijan...i was born there and lived in Baki...

137 yochanan  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:12:34pm

re: #132 Nevergiveup

squids getting wet should be used to it.

just kidding guys and gals.
i was born at great lakes navy base.

138 UberInfidel67  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:12:41pm

Forgive me for this way OT but this explained a lot to me about the current situation facing Isreal. I am already trying to find out and understand more about this, but this was sent to by someone who is not as interested in world events as I am, and believe me, it opened his eyed and explained things in simple term. Check this out.

The history of religion in 90 seconds:

[Link: www.mapsofwar.com...]

139 yochanan  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:13:07pm

re: #136 BakiShamil

thanks i learn something every day

140 Ariana  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:14:49pm
Here’s the person who made the change. The IP address traces to Chicago, Illinois.

Don't mess with the chief lizard :-)

141 dak  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:14:50pm

NATIONAL ANTHEM OF UNION OF SOVIET SOCIALIST REPUBLIC (USSR)

Is the one we used to hear.

142 sultan_knish  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:16:45pm

re: #131 hermeneutics

I just got on and have to go, but I know he 60637 zipcode from my doctoral days at Univ of Chicago. It is SE of Washington Park (a really scary place) which is the western boundary of University of Chicago. In other words, he person writing this is probably associated with the university. It is very near the law school.

very interesting

143 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:16:55pm

re: #125 sultan_knish

You're thinking of Sakharov, who was a genuine dissident and worked for human rights in the USSR.

Solzhenystin was a rather creepy monarchist who moved to America and spent the rest of his time here bashing America.

Solzhenystin's "One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich" is brilliant, though.

144 brickthruplateglasswindow  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:17:54pm

The truth must be dissembled, distorted, derided, or disappeared to secure Obama's ascendancy.

The (D) party is on it.

145 yochanan  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:18:09pm

i see we have a number of lizards from what used to be the soviet union, sure explains the anti communism as they got to see it up close and personal, and the post Stalin dictatorship of the proletariat wasn't as bloody as Stalin's, Mao, pol pots, version of it.

146 quickjustice  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:18:49pm

And why would Obama supporters be so sensitive about a silly band? Unless, of course, there's something to that Obama/Soviet connection?

147 yochanan  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:19:04pm

re: #142 sultan_knish

60631 is on the northwest side of Chicago.

148 sattv4u2  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:19:17pm

re: #143 goddessoftheclassroom

Solzhenystin's "One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich" is brilliant, though.

I also liked his follow up to War and Peace ,,,

WAR ,, what was it good for,,, absolutely nothing ,, (say it again)

149 erp  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:19:43pm

nadnerd, can you find out the name that goes with the IP address?

150 yochanan  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:20:53pm

a rabbi i know spent 5 years in the soviet golag for teaching hebrew stalin would have had him shot on the spot.

151 quickjustice  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:21:49pm

re: #143 goddessoftheclassroom

Solzhenistyn's "Gulag Archipelago" was the first exposure of the Soviet concentration camp system. He hated the Soviets, but remained a Russian poet at heart.

152 Alouette  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:22:12pm

re: #136 BakiShamil

Hi....

That flag from Azerbaijan...i was born there and lived in Baki...

re: #151 quickjustice

Solzhenistyn's "Gulag Archipelago" was the first exposure of the Soviet concentration camp system. He hated the Soviets, but remained a Russian poet and anti-Semite at heart.

153 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:23:20pm

re: #148 sattv4u2

I also liked his follow up to War and Peace ,,,

WAR ,, what was it good for,,, absolutely nothing ,, (say it again)

One of my students chanted that line at me, but after he said, "...what is it good for?" I said, "Everything worth having."

The look on his face was priceless.

154 Alouette  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:23:30pm

BakiShamil, I did not mean to quote your post in #152

Last year in Moscow I met a guy from Baku who was hanging out at the Chabad house.

155 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:23:50pm

re: #149 erp

nadnerd, can you find out the name that goes with the IP address?

It is someone's cable modem. Unless Comcast makes that info public (unlikely), it would take some degree of detective work.
Also, these addresses do sometimes change. If you turn off your cable modem (or DSL modem), often, you will get a different address when you turn it on.

156 MES41067  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:23:59pm

Well they say he's to the left of Hillary my ? is where do you find a spot to stand.

157 BBev  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:24:43pm

re: #145 yochanan

i see we have a number of lizards from what used to be the soviet union, sure explains the anti communism as they got to see it up close and personal, and the post Stalin dictatorship of the proletariat wasn't as bloody as Stalin's, Mao, pol pots, version of it.


I have a number of friends that are from countries that have totalitarian rulers and the funny thing is they all love GWB and know when it is to be free. Obama not so much.

158 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:24:46pm

re: #153 goddessoftheclassroom

One of my students chanted that line at me, but after he said, "...what is it good for?" I said, "Everything worth having."

The look on his face was priceless.

Everything worth having is worth fighting for!

159 sattv4u2  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:25:02pm

re: #153 goddessoftheclassroom

One of my students chanted that line at me, but after he said, "...what is it good for?" I said, "Everything worth having."

The look on his face was priceless.

Thats why we luv ya !

160 Bubblehead II  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:25:16pm

Well the time for me to call it a day and spend some time with the wife. I will see you all tomorrow, starting on the Early Morning Open, aka, the dead thread.

May you all have a Good Night

161 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:25:59pm

re: #160 Bubblehead II

Well the time for me to call it a day and spend some time with the wife. I will see you all tomorrow, starting on the Early Morning Open, aka, the dead thread.

May you all have a Good Night

Good night!

{Bubblehead II}

162 calcajun  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:26:53pm

And what is wrong with the Beatles' "Back in the USSR"? Now that's a tune you can hum. The "Internationale" is hardly a toe-tapper.

163 godfrey  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:27:40pm

re: #151 quickjustice

His Gulag Archipelago had a big effect on me. I feel nothing but contempt for people in the free West who act as if it's no big deal to play around with this stuff. Try playing around when an 80-year-old woman shows you pictures of her dead husband, her dead brother, and the children she never saw again. Try wearing a CCCP t-shirt and waving a peace sign next to a woman who saw her father die of alcoholism because he ratted out his childhood friends, who married an honorable man who fought his entire life against lost opportunities because he wouldn't join the KGB.

It's sickening, to see people act so cavalier with the trappings of a system that crushed the living daylights out of so many.

164 Alouette  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:27:59pm

re: #162 calcajun

And what is wrong with the Beatles' "Back in the USSR"?

It's a stupid ripoff of Chuck Berry.

165 RickZ  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:28:33pm

So the IP traces back to Chicago, huh? LOL! I guess someone at the Cook County Democratic Machine is scrubbing up after poor Barry. Can't we just let him eat his waffle? Besides, what's wrong with the Soviet anthem? Now that's an anthem for which Barry certainly can stand and salute. Maybe even wear a flag lapel pin.

Barry's campaign travels every day further into the abyss of the absurd. And he's getting away with it, thanks to our intrepid urinalists.

166 sattv4u2  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:28:42pm

re: #164 Alouette

It's a stupid ripoff of Chuck Berry.

Chuck Berry was a Russian ? Who knew !

167 yochanan  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:29:05pm

in the soviet union they stamped 'jew' as your nationality on your soviet i.d. card.

168 Aristogiton  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:30:39pm
Leftists scurrying around at Wikipedia and reacting to news stories by hiding things that make Barack Obama look bad? Say it ain’t so!

It gets pretty blatant when they start trying to hide facts that are completely uncontroversial and undisputed. I had heard about The Decemberists’ intro music long before seeing that Wikipedia entry.

Hiding things: this is what is known as having a bad conscience.

169 Render  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:31:22pm

Does our anonymous Stalinist Wiki editor speak/read Polish as well?

NARROW
FIELDS,
R

170 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:31:40pm

re: #167 yochanan

in the soviet union they stamped 'jew' as your nationality on your soviet i.d. card.

Yup and when the iron curtain fell and all the educated Jews left for Israel and the West, that worked out good for Mother Russia? One hell of a Brian drain.

171 Render  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:32:10pm

re: #169 Render

Whoops, forgot the linkie...

[Link: www.google.com...]

DER
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172 Alouette  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:32:31pm

re: #166 sattv4u2

Chuck Berry was a Russian ? Who knew !

IIRC the original song was "Back in the USA"

173 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:32:40pm
174 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:33:20pm

re: #172 Alouette

IIRC the original song was "Back in the USA"

Is that the one Linda Ronstadt stole?

175 Shr_Nfr  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:34:04pm

re: #123 sattv4u2

While I agree with you, there are certain leaders of foreign countries who would consider him to be an apostate from Islam. This might make things more than a little interesting. Actually, his father was not a very good Muslim as far as it went. He was something of a lush later in life and kept getting into auto accidents. He had both legs amputated after one of them and finally died in another. [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

176 Russkilitlover  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:34:33pm

re: #163 godfrey


It's sickening, to see people act so cavalier with the trappings of a system that crushed the living daylights out of so many.

There are those who are just out to shock and appall their parents and then there are those who just want to be anti-establishment. The first will grow out of it, as soon as they start receiving regular paychecks; the second are hopeless, clueless, and pathetic.

177 babel  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:34:38pm

Hooray for the Leningrad Cowboys !
Who'd have ever matched a Russian Chorus with Lynyrd Skynyrd music ?!?

Seriously, though, I agree with those who warn against ceding Wikipedia to the lunatics. I came across an article recently, forget where, about how the anti-Semites and other "ReligionofPeacers" devote incredible amounts of time to rewriting the history of Israel in Wikipedia.

Wikipedia has become a major source of information for a large number of people. Don't let them rewrite it from a terrorists point of view.

Babel .

178 libertyvista  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:35:33pm

This whole thing smells of "moving the bar".

179 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:35:56pm

re: #173 buzzsawmonkey

Sad thing is that there is sufficient ease in most people's lives that they feel empty, and long for what they see is a sense of belonging and excitement. The flags and the uniforms and the decorations and all that stuff--and the foreignness--thrills them.

Fact is, of course, that while they want what they see as the thrill of revolutionary promise, the excitement of rallies (even if they skived off the pep rallies in high school, the May Day Parade is...different), the frisson of knowing that there is a secret police, yadda yadda, they really want a vicarious thrill without either experiencing the reality of what they are admiring, or actually getting up out of the comfy chair and doing something in their own lives that might give them the thrills they feel themselves to be lacking. Because that would take effort.

Have you seen the movie Reds? I was 16 when it came out, and I SOBBED during intermission because those people who enthusiastically supported of the Russian Revolution had no idea of the misery they were ushering in.

Dramatic irony is hard on me.

180 Zimriel  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:37:32pm

My fellow wikipedians have demanded references to the "controversy". Here is what I've posted -
Several anti-Communist opinion writers have attacked the Decembrists, claiming that the Decembrists endorse the Soviet ideal.ref>James Geraghty, [[Link: campaignspot.nationalreview.com...] National Review Online]; Charles Johnson, [[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] Little Green Footballs]; [[Link: www.cnsnews.com...] Debbie Schlussel], [[Link: www.cnsnews.com...] CNS News],/ref>

181 J'accuzzi  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:38:47pm

Ah, tovarich, tovarich, rodina, rodina, I am going to weep.
There seems to be a line missing, something about " We are only happy when the whips are in our hands or on our backs father Stalin".

182 nyc redneck  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:39:00pm

re: #163 godfrey

His Gulag Archipelago had a big effect on me. I feel nothing but contempt for people in the free West who act as if it's no big deal to play around with this stuff. Try playing around when an 80-year-old woman shows you pictures of her dead husband, her dead brother, and the children she never saw again. Try wearing a CCCP t-shirt and waving a peace sign next to a woman who saw her father die of alcoholism because he ratted out his childhood friends, who married an honorable man who fought his entire life against lost opportunities because he wouldn't join the KGB.

It's sickening, to see people act so cavalier with the trappings of a system that crushed the living daylights out of so many.

i know a lot of older eastern european people from my neighborhood. they have harrowing stories of loss and survival like you have mentioned. they aren't interested in the hussein's concept of change. they've been down that road, and know what is at the end. they see barack hussein obama for the stupid and dangerous person he is.

183 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:40:16pm

re: #182 nyc redneck

i know a lot of older eastern european people from my neighborhood. they have harrowing stories of loss and survival like you have mentioned. they aren't interested in the hussein's concept of change. they've been down that road, and know what is at the end. they see barack hussein obama for the stupid and dangerous person he is.

Well make sure you help them get out to the polls in November.

184 BignJames  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:42:07pm

re: #170 Nevergiveup

Yup and when the iron curtain fell and all the educated Jews left for Israel and the West, that worked out good for Mother Russia? One hell of a Brian drain.

Happens to me all the time.

185 godfrey  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:42:31pm

re: #173 buzzsawmonkey

Interesting. And for some that I have the misfortune to know, it's a way of putting an edge on their convictions. They see injustice, but they're insulated themselves from its real sting. So to give urgency to their intellectualizing, to stir their passions, and to reinforce their sense of identity, they stamp themselves with some sign of an actual "revolutionary actor." Che. The hammer and sickle. Camouflage. So when they look in the mirror, they don't see the reality of their hollowness and privilege. They see the trappings of someone who pulled the lever on the guillotine and meted out real revolutionary justice.

186 bill-tb  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:42:44pm

It's weird that collectivists like Obama have such love for the Soviets of old and not one praiseworthy word of liberty, freedom or America is ever uttered from their mouth. I wonder why that is?

Socialist/collectivists/communists in the end, it's all the same.

187 nyc redneck  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:44:13pm

re: #183 Nevergiveup

Well make sure you help them get out to the polls in November.

oh, of course. several of us in my bldg. help out.

188 Ariana  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:45:40pm

It's too bad that China doesn't have a Solzhenystin. Or if they do have the equivalent; an author who is also recognized and read by Western democracies. The closest example I know is Watchman Nee; but he is not read by the mainstream .

Nee was a wrote a book describing his torture, after being imprisoned for being Christian by the Chinese government over 40 years ago. It is a horrific tale. Americans have either forgotten or don't know the history of murderousrepression within The People's Republic of China and the Soviet Union.

Solzhenystin's work ought to be required reading in high schools. Especially with the rise of Tsar Putin. I liked his Cancer Ward as well as his more famous work.

189 snowcrash  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:46:13pm

I wonder if an Obama volunteer has been assigned to blog watch us and correct info that could be construed as damaging to the campaign if revealed. Post Moby comments too. Sounds paranoid but the response to this story was very quick.

190 Alouette  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:47:46pm

re: #188 Ariana

I liked his Cancer Ward as well as his more famous work.

Cancer Ward utterly sucked. Most depressing, pointless novel ever.

191 Killian Bundy  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:48:47pm

Raymond?

/do you see the red queen?

192 Idle Drifter  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:50:03pm

Rember in Obamaland you no find party, Party finds you!

193 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:50:07pm

re: #189 snowcrash

I wonder if an Obama volunteer has been assigned to blog watch us and correct info that could be construed as damaging to the campaign if revealed. Post Moby comments too. Sounds paranoid but the response to this story was very quick.

Well if that's the case, we may have to start planting stories. As Churchill said and I am paraphrasing " the truth is so precious that she should always be attended by a bodyguard of lies"

194 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:51:26pm

re: #17 Ojoe

Half a chicken in every pot

And half a car in every garage,

Comrade

That half a car would be a Trabant.

195 nyc redneck  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:51:38pm

osama is snooping.

196 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:52:01pm

re: #188 Ariana

It's too bad that China doesn't have a Solzhenystin. Or if they do have the equivalent; an author who is also recognized and read by Western democracies. The closest example I know is Watchman Nee; but he is not read by the mainstream .

Nee was a wrote a book describing his torture, after being imprisoned for being Christian by the Chinese government over 40 years ago. It is a horrific tale. Americans have either forgotten or don't know the history of murderousrepression within The People's Republic of China and the Soviet Union.

Solzhenystin's work ought to be required reading in high schools. Especially with the rise of Tsar Putin. I liked his Cancer Ward as well as his more famous work.

I taught "One Day..." in Virginia (10th grade). I agree that it should be required.

197 Intrepid  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:52:02pm

re: #186 bill-tb

It's weird that collectivists like Obama have such love for the Soviets of old and not one praiseworthy word of liberty, freedom or America is ever uttered from their mouth. I wonder why that is?

Socialist/collectivists/communists in the end, it's all the same.

They are either spoiled rotten elitists or they have a victim's mindset/complex. Or they're not old enough to understand life in all its complexities and responsibilities.

I'd hazard a guess that the band "The Decemberists" would freak out if they had to spend a week as true powerless comrade workers in an actual communist country. Let the leaders make one decision they don't like and when the whiny babies start to complain, they'll find out what it means to actually have no power.

198 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:52:38pm
199 yochanan  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:52:41pm

re: #194 Son of the Black Dog

would the half a chicken be the part that goes over the fence last?

200 Killian Bundy  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:53:24pm

Obama on what he'll do as CINC.

/feel safer now?

201 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:54:27pm

re: #198 buzzsawmonkey

You might be surprised. The main character, Jack Reed, realizes how naive his idealism was at the end. It was very profound, and of course, it was based on historical people and events.

202 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:55:23pm
203 Ariana  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:55:43pm

Most depressing, pointless novel ever.

Depressing - without a doubt. But One Day In The Life of Ivan D. doesn't leave you feeling optimist either; does it? Solzhenystin wants us to understand the depth of their hell-on-earth, and he succeeds. I confess I can't read his work when I'm feeling down. It can overwhelm you.

I suppose we should also admit, he didn't think much of the West either. Didn't he live somewhere on the American NE coast(Conn?) before he went back to Russia?

204 Idle Drifter  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:56:12pm

re: #194 Son of the Black Dog

"Despite its poor performance and smoky two-stroke engine, the car has come to be regarded with affection as a symbol of the more positive sides of East Germany..." Wikipedia

Huh?

205 Intrepid  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:57:02pm

re: #200 Killian Bundy

Obama on what he'll do as CINC.

/feel safer now?

Oh Lordy mercy! He'll gut the military worse than both Carter and Clinton combined!

206 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:57:26pm
207 RickZ  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:57:42pm

re: #202 buzzsawmonkey

Jack Reed died in Moscow working for the revolution, and is buried in the Kremlin wall.

Yeppers. Jack Reed: The definition of useful idiot.

208 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:57:48pm

re: #201 goddessoftheclassroom

You might be surprised. The main character, Jack Reed, realizes how naive his idealism was at the end. It was very profound, and of course, it was based on historical people and events.

A Lot of people realized how naive their idealism was as that train rolled into the vast confines of Siberia or as their brains got blown out on the Lubyunka prison floor.

209 LoFlyer  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:58:32pm

re: #179 goddessoftheclassroom

I was about 24 when "Reds" came out. Went to see it because of my liberal school teacher date. We were so bored by it that at intermission we left, went over to her place, where she romantically seduced me. Made up for the movie big time....

210 Ariana  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:58:51pm

Opps meant to put quotes around that --#190 Alouette

Most depressing, pointless novel ever.
211 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:59:04pm
212 bluegrassredstate  Wed, May 21, 2008 4:59:51pm

it's a nice anthem . . . as far as anthems go

213 BBev  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:00:14pm

Pure Communism sounds cool when you think about it for a minute everyone working for the betterment of everyone else very cool but it will never happen, man has greed and ego there will always be someone that wants to rule over everyone else and to control how there betterment is better the way they want it so till we work all this out I'm a pure Capitalist.

214 Zimriel  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:00:54pm

Hah! I'm now involved in a wiki edit war, apparently...

This reminds me of the time I wrote up a bio for a Georgian congressional challenger and cited her as describing the incumbent as "pro-abortion". Yep, it became "pro-choice", and that was the ONLY alteration my fellow wikipedians could come up with.

Many Wikipedia editors have no knowledge; they are nothing better than censors and thought police.

215 nyc redneck  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:01:27pm

re: #197 Intrepid

They are either spoiled rotten elitists or they have a victim's mindset/complex. Or they're not old enough to understand life in all its complexities and responsibilities.

I'd hazard a guess that the band "The Decemberists" would freak out if they had to spend a week as true powerless comrade workers in an actual communist country. Let the leaders make one decision they don't like and when the whiny babies start to complain, they'll find out what it means to actually have no power.

the obamanation himself, those in his camp, those w/ all the money power running his campaign, and ie. elitists like this ridiculous band, they think they are going to be in charge. running the show.
they would be at the top of the commie pyramid scheme.
so it's all good for them. they don't plan at all to be slogging it out w/ us down below, in the mud and the blood and the low quality vodka.

216 Sharmuta  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:01:46pm

Watching the youtube video of the Decemberists opening, I'm reminded of that scene in Casablanca where the nazis anthem gets drowned out by the French- I feel like sining the Star Spangled Banner to drown out the Decemberists.

217 LoFlyer  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:02:12pm

re: #211 buzzsawmonkey

Are those letters real?

You mean the infamous Penthouse letters to the editor? Absolutely! I mean just look what the national enquirer publishes!

218 loppyd  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:02:18pm

Quick! Hide the evidence...

These people will stop at nothing.

Yes, that means YOU Official Obama Blog Watcher!

219 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:02:53pm

re: #213 BBev

Pure Communism sounds cool when you think about it for a minute everyone working for the betterment of everyone else very cool but it will never happen, man has greed and ego there will always be someone that wants to rule over everyone else and to control how there betterment is better the way they want it so till we work all this out I'm a pure Capitalist.

That was the basis for the most moving line in Reds. Jack Reed realizes he has been used, and says something about how communism will never work in the long run because it doesn't take into account mankind's natural ambition.

220 loppyd  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:03:29pm

re: #217 LoFlyer

You mean the infamous Penthouse letters to the editor? Absolutely! I mean just look what the national enquirer publishes!

"I never thought this would happen to me, but one hot summer night...."

LOL

221 wanumba  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:03:42pm

re: #56 PloniAlmoni

Coming from the USSR, it's especially unbelievable to see Communist Party songs becoming part of popular culture in the US. It's only in the past couple of decades that we've fully learned what horrific acts Stalin is responsible for and it's already cool to sing the USSR anthem...how pathetic.


It's just being pretend tough. They didn't live under it so it means nothing to them. Just edgy, 2 dimensional IMAGE.

222 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:04:05pm
223 Alouette  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:04:19pm

re: #203 Ariana

Most depressing, pointless novel ever.

Depressing - without a doubt. But One Day In The Life of Ivan D. doesn't leave you feeling optimist either; does it? Solzhenystin wants us to understand the depth of their hell-on-earth, and he succeeds. I confess I can't read his work when I'm feeling down. It can overwhelm you.

I suppose we should also admit, he didn't think much of the West either. Didn't he live somewhere on the American NE coast(Conn?) before he went back to Russia?

Every word Solzhenytsin wrote was depressing as shit. You want to read something inspiring by someone who was a prisoner in the Gulag, read Fear No Evil by Natan Sharansky.

224 BBev  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:07:21pm

re: #219 goddessoftheclassroom

I have never seen "Reds" I guess I will have to rent it. "Capitalism"

225 Yankee Division Son  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:07:32pm

Anyone else notice there's a web server on that IP? going to a non-existent page gives you it's hostname, using that, you can find a website on the main domain... which gets you a name..

/just say'in...

226 wrenchwench  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:07:45pm
Freedom has cost too much blood and agony to be relinquished at the cheap price of rhetoric.

--Thomas Sowell

227 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:07:56pm

re: #223 Alouette

Every word Solzhenytsin wrote was depressing as shit. You want to read something inspiring by someone who was a prisoner in the Gulag, read Fear No Evil by Natan Sharansky.

Speaking of Sharansky, he has been pretty quite recently hasn't he?

228 LoFlyer  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:08:38pm

My fav by the Leningrad Cowboys Goldfinger!

229 Zimriel  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:10:19pm

The edits are getting better, IMO. I can't object to what is up there now.

Admittedly I lost my temper in the discussion section (I really, REALLY don't like Orwellianisms in language). Apologies to those wiki editors (even Communists) who do try to provide content rather than impose politically-correct cant on our work.

230 Ariana  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:10:55pm

re: #196 goddessoftheclassroom

I'm glad to know that you use it too. That affirms One Day.. is a good choice for students.

At times, a significant book communicates what nothing else can possibly accomplish; by taking them inside the mind of the experience and imparting understanding. It is hard for American teenagers who have never experienced such horror to grasp what happened. Night is another great read.

231 rightymouse  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:12:20pm

What this tells me is that there were tens of thousands of fools at this particular concert that Obamathong went to because there was a captive audience.

Communism is the opiate of the masses.

232 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:13:07pm

re: #222 buzzsawmonkey

Is there any factual basis at all for Reed having had such an "awakening?"

I'm betting no.

What Reed did and thought on the way to the [Congress of the Peoples of the East], while there, and returning is a matter of speculation, but years after abandoning Communism, his friend Benjamin Gitlow asserted that after the treatment he received from Zinoviev, Reed died in bitter disillusionment with the Communist movement.

Homberger, Eric. John Reed: Manchester University Press, Manchester, 1990, 214.

233 Ariana  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:13:49pm

re: #223 Alouette

Thanks for the recommendation. I'll look around to find a copy.

234 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:19:38pm

re: #225 Yankee Division Son

Anyone else notice there's a web server on that IP? going to a non-existent page gives you it's hostname, using that, you can find a website on the main domain... which gets you a name..

/just say'in...

No, the place it takes you has a completely different IP. I don't think the show has any real connection with them.
However, the hydrated.net address just gives me stuff on some online games.
That explains some of the Wiki changes.
So, not anyone in the campaign, and I don't want to spend much time snooping, but it would be fun.

235 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:20:37pm
236 Render  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:20:43pm

[Link: www.militaria.com...]

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

[Link: www.footnote.com...]

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

WOULDA
COULDA
SHOULDA,
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237 Yankee Division Son  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:23:06pm

re: #234 Kosh's Shadow

No, not the show, enter a non-existent page to get 404 error page, that gets you the hostname

238 autoexec  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:24:47pm

It was NOT reverted. The part about controversy was removed.

239 katemaclaren  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:26:22pm

re: #63 Charles

Here's the person's edit history:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Can't we just put the stuff back in--AND a bit more (like the fact that they open for Obama)? heh

240 Ariana  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:26:29pm

A great film clip comparison: The through-the-rose-colored-glasses scene of the October Revolution in Reds vs. selections from Dr. Zhivago. For example: The scene when Zhivago comes home to find his home is occupied by 20+families; the scene where he steals a fence for firewood, meets his brother who explains how the communists will eventually kill him for his individualism; the scene when he is kidnapped to fight for the Red Army during during the civil war. It's one of the best films and books examining the Russian Revolution.

I'm trying to list some great cold war films

241 hazzyday  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:27:46pm

IMO this is a perfect example of Obamimania. Even as evidenced by the candidate himself. They go driving through the bad part of town, get caught, deny it saying you can't prove it, then show them the video of them there, then they spend gads of time lieing to you that they don't lie. Just trying to wear one down with claims of a dubious nature designed to hide their true thoughts. The radical left. Obama

I was thinking about thieves the other day and thought that places like KoS are probably overloaded with them. People without integrity that can't act honestly.

242 wolfie  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:28:07pm

re: #223 Alouette

re: #235 buzzsawmonkey

Two tempting assignments to put on my stack of must-reads !

243 bj  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:28:51pm

Hmmmmm, Charles, your seeming power to change things is bordering on creepy. You taking lessons from somebody we know? People are listening to you. Have you done a sweep lately for bugs? (I mean in your physical world, not the virtual world. LOL)

244 wolfie  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:30:42pm

re: #240 Ariana

Was a film ever made of Darkness at Noon?

245 bakishamil  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:35:00pm

re: #139 yochanan

No problem....I also learn something new everyday.

246 Ariana  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:39:14pm

235 buzzsawmonkey 5/21/08 5:20:37 pm

Thanks, I've bookmarked it for reading.

247 ethanxxx  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:39:56pm

This isn't even funny anymore. This is almost F**king Biblical. Barack Hussein Obama doesn't scare me as much as the following he is building and the fact that a great deal of our population agree with, or are completely oblivious to, the LOGICAL OBVIOUS FACTS that surround this man and his beliefs. This isn't Rocket Surgery! He got to where he is now with the help of a lot of people, like every other person in this country. The people surrounding this man are not the people who make this a great country, like everything "Progressive", it's the exact opposite.

248 Ariana  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:40:30pm

re: #244 wolfie

That doesn't ring a bell in my film list, but I'll run a search to see if it exists.

249 RickZ  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:40:49pm

re: #244 wolfie

Was a film ever made of Darkness at Noon?

I didn't think there was one, but when I googled, I found out there was a tv show made of the book. But I never knew this.

250 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:41:50pm

re: #237 Yankee Division Son

No, not the show, enter a non-existent page to get 404 error page, that gets you the hostname

I got that; takes me to what looks like a net game company. Bill the badger seems to be an elven scout. Probably some college students hooked on hopium.

251 rightymouse  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:42:49pm

What is scary is that we have people born into freedom in America who are seduced by the myths of communism.

Communism will always destroy the individual even if they happen to be in groups at the time of destruction.

252 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:43:17pm

re: #243 bj

Hmmmmm, Charles, your seeming power to change things is bordering on creepy. You taking lessons from somebody we know? People are listening to you. Have you done a sweep lately for bugs? (I mean in your physical world, not the virtual world. LOL)

I wonder if anyone from the IP address that changed the entries ever registered (or posted) on LGF? Might find a moby or two that way.

253 wolfie  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:44:57pm

re: #249 RickZ

I didn't think there was one, but when I googled, I found out there was a tv show made of the book. But I never knew this.

Nor did I ?!

254 Yankee Division Son  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:46:14pm

re: #250 Kosh's Shadow

I have to agree..

255 guy_philly  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:55:32pm

ok, i am going to say something that will probably get me my first negative rating: i truly enjoy the melody of the old soviet anthem! i have always enjoed it. i just hated to hear it plaed when the soviets beat us in some olympic event. the worst part about the soviet breakup was losing this anthem. of course, i would be all for new lyrics, but the melody is beautiful and passionate. Go ahead, hit me!

256 onyxraven1979  Wed, May 21, 2008 5:56:40pm

Speaking of covering up, the Soviets changed their anthem to cover up Stalin after ol' Uncle Joe, murder of 30 to 50 MILLION people died. (For those of you keeping score at home, this is double to triple Hitler)

Through days dark and stormy where Great Lenin lead us
Our eyes saw the bright sun of freedom above
And Stalin our leader with faith in the people,
Inspired us to build up the land that we love.

[Link: www.marxists.org...] ...
(see 1944 version)

257 Ariana  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:05:04pm

There are some Russian Films with subtitles, but most of films made in the West are all cold war spy movies such as The Spy That Came In From the Cold (oh wait that's East Germany isn't it?)

I can think of Dr. Zhivago and parts of The Red House, The Hunt for Red October and Stalin (I can't think of the right title). I wonder why the entertainment industry focused more on spy stories, and not on the starving of the Ukraine, Stalin's purges or the concentration camps? The story of the Soviet Union has a deep well of drama that somehow made a limited appearance in films. Is this an accurate assesssment of what the movie industry produced or can anyone add some titles?

258 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:05:17pm
259 eric_odessit  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:10:35pm

Wow, I never knew there was an English translation of the Soviet Anthem.
Eric.

260 loaded dice  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:17:26pm

If you just remember one thing remember this:


He is a Chicago Machine Politician

That ought to scare the &^%$ out of everyone........

261 kevinmumaw  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:22:33pm

The anthem is creepy. get Hannity on the phone, stat!

262 galloping granny  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:26:38pm

re: #62 Silhouette

Commie chic. How many had Mao handbags and Che shirts, if not on, at home in the closet?

Those are very interesting pictures. Do we still have that picture of Obama's campaign headquarters with the Che flag on the wall hanging around? Those pictures together sure would make a very powerful statement.

263 kevinmumaw  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:28:48pm

The band kind of sucks too. They seem to be of the genre my wife refers to as "complaint-rock." Good to know NPR listeners voted them as a favorite in 2006. Woo. Hoo.

264 Challenger  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:29:46pm

Wow. Interesting history on the Wiki edits page for user 24.13.141.176. You can click on the Hist link and see the edits.

Too funny. Very Orwellian. Double-plus un-good.

265 wanumba  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:33:52pm

re: #123 sattv4u2

Why would he refuse? Sorry, but I'm one conservative who doesn't buy into the whole "Obama must be a Muslim because his father once was and children have to be becuase the Koran says so"

Lets not forget, Obamas BIGGEST problem so far is that he attended a CHRISTIAN church with a radical preacher for 20 years


Let's not forget that Obama's BIGGEST problem so far is that he is of his own free will, an active member of a CULT that claims to be a Christian church, but is nothing more than a FRONT for the aggressive and hostile anti-Christian Nation of Islam movement.
Everything else Obama does flows from that choice, including his denying that he knew what was being said there. In a Christian church, lying is clearly identified as a sin.
But lying is always a secondary sin - - it's purpose is to cover up a past sin or current sin or an intent to commit a sin.

266 kuchuklambat  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:34:16pm

re: #208 Nevergiveup

Many not even then -- Solzhenitsyn writes about this type, who saw only "enemies of the people", rightly imprisoned around them, thinking they are the only ones who are victims of an error, soon to be corrected.

Solzhenitsyn's achievement as a reporter with a civic conscience is tremendous, collecting data and stories from hundreds of people under a serious risk to his life and liberty. In his writings he never became an artist, and his antisemitism and then monarchism/nationalism came through.

267 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:37:19pm

It's been written many times and in many ways that history tends to be seen through the lens of the winning side (or survivor). People tend to think of history as essentially neutral, but anybody who knows the field knows that it's a constant battlefield of varying opinions and lesser and greater truths. That's what makes historical research so valuable.

Until the modern era history tended to be rewritten in order to propagandize the population about events that happened outside of the immediate past. Immediate and near-immediate history has been controlled and filtered relentlessly in many societies to varying degrees since the beginning of civilization, and in modern times has led to censorship of printed and broadcast news, among other things.

In the internet age, and with the huge increase in fact gathering via the web, the opportunity has now been created not only to corrupt history to slant your political bent, but to even create ever-greater and truly menacing bias in the reporting of current events. It's painfully obvious in news aggregators like Google News, where if you browse the top 20 news topics for the USA, you'll seldom find good news about President Bush or Senator McCain anywhere near the top, if it's even there at all. But you sure will find the most recent glorification articles about Senator Obama, every time.

This immediate and intentional bias is for the direct purpose of directing the outcome of history, in any short-term period could turn out to be disastrous, if not catastophic. The hiding of one candidate's negatives and emphasizing the negatives of another is an effort to distort historical outcome by subterfuge. It's totally dishonest. All agendas become fair game, including things like global warming and energy policy. It's very frightening.

We seem to lack popular and useful neutral search engines and news aggregators right now, and it's something severely needed.

This is the rest of the history that these people are playing games with right now, and they seem to be entirely without guilt that their meddling is polluting the very ideals upon which this country was founded. It's the exact antonym of free and fair and funny.

268 nightintheruts  Wed, May 21, 2008 6:54:38pm

They pretty much suck anyway.

Most of the bands following the demmies around are washed-up has beens...

Put Uncle Ted Nugent on the stage with them and see who the last man standing is...

269 wanumba  Wed, May 21, 2008 7:02:15pm

re: #267 really grumpy big dog Johnson
All this media, 24/7 and we actually have less variety and less inputs than before. One story is written by AP and is printed and cited by a thousand outlets - all presenting something slightly different in decorative details, but ALL off the same original story. It's purpose is to set the terms of debate - a monopoly on how the info is fed us to lead us to a pre-determined conclusion. Our entire national information system depends on pretty much ONE media source - AP. And they've proven that they are politically biased, not interested in any way in searching for the truth.
Despite all the technology, the budgets, transportation and communications, there is less actual on the ground reporting than ever before, people who are supposed to be out there are relying on a computer search instead of pounding the pavement.

270 LeonidasOfSparta  Wed, May 21, 2008 7:18:51pm

re: #267 really grumpy big dog Johnson

"This is the rest of the history that these people are playing games with right now, and they seem to be entirely without guilt that their meddling is polluting the very ideals upon which this country was founded. It's the exact antonym of free and fair and funny."

Here here rgbdj!

Solzhenitsyn wrote and wrote about people who "rewrite" history and "filter" truth until it isn't truth any longer but opinion and fact becomes "context and perspective."

I think it is fitting if not downright prophetic that BHussein's "band" of choice would be called Decembrists, that their anthem is the USSR's (of bygone days) anthem which, naturally, glorifies Lenin.

It's prophetic and appropriate to his nature-- he's a Marxist, his goal is state governed everything, and he sees HIS place in it all as chief puppeteer.

But to accomplish this BHussein must have obedient, loyal, minions who are willing to rewrite everything, anytime he sees the need to, which, in short, means he must have obedient liars and plenty of them.

History is not kind to little men like that. Hitler. Stalin. Lenin. Marx. Castro. Pesky thing about history-- there are always those who "saw it all" as it was and will not turn a blind eye to LIES or sell themselves for 30 pieces of silver.

REMEMBER THE HOLOCAUST. REMEMBER THE KILLING FIELDS. REMEMBER THE GULAGS. If we refuse to accept the lies, we-- in our own way, each-- honor all those who died.

271 munchkin  Wed, May 21, 2008 7:24:16pm

Dunno if its been said before, but either the band members speak Russian and can sing the anthem EXACTLY like the red army choir, or they were playing a recording. That singing doesn't have a touch of accent.

272 bitsy  Wed, May 21, 2008 7:46:22pm
UPDATE at 5/21/08 4:01:47 pm:

The page has been reverted as of this writing...

It gets better, a sentence and footnote were added to the paragraph!

Several anti-Communist opinion writers have attacked the Decemberists, pointing to the band's use of the Soviet anthem as evidence that it endorses the Soviet ideal.[3]

and

3. ^ James Geraghty, National Review Online; Charles Johnson, Little Green Footballs; Debbie Schlussel; CNS News.

273 akforty777  Wed, May 21, 2008 7:50:19pm

Cheers to making their wiki page Charles.

274 astronmr20  Wed, May 21, 2008 7:53:25pm

"...all other countries have inferior potassium"

275 astronmr20  Wed, May 21, 2008 7:54:37pm

Late to this thread.

There is no doubt that the Decemberists themselves or their fans did not remove the anthem tidbit from the Wiki page. They have nothing to hide.

That was most definitely an Obama agent.

276 bitsy  Wed, May 21, 2008 7:55:54pm

Oops ... it changed again while I was writing the post, that footnote is now #4. Hee hee.

Charles, you big meanie, now you are attacking poor innocent rock stars! Where will your evil reptilian machinations end!?! You must hate music or something!

277 bitsy  Wed, May 21, 2008 7:58:04pm

"pointing to the band's use of the Soviet anthem as evidence that it endorses the Soviet ideal"

Seriously, what else is it supposed to mean? Oh wait, it must be something nuanced and ironic that us dumb rednecks wouldn't understand.

278 astronmr20  Wed, May 21, 2008 8:00:37pm

re: #77 Andy in Colorado

Am I a jerk for saying that I think the underlying music behind the Soviet National Anthem is quite beautiful?

Doing a trace to that IP gets to Comcast's network, going through a couple Chicago routers before timing out.

No, you're not. Many Russian compositions around the time are wonderful. Check out some modern Polish composers, too. Excellent stuff.

279 McJeff  Wed, May 21, 2008 8:08:21pm

Well, I'm making some use of my in-good-standing wikipedia account by the same name to keep an eye on that article and smack it back into line when liberals try to obfuscate.

280 MandyManners  Wed, May 21, 2008 8:13:53pm

Oh, my stars and bars. Anything I could say undoubtedly already has been said.

My mind is boggled. My flabber is gasted.

281 KSK  Wed, May 21, 2008 8:17:20pm

This is one reason why I dislike some aspects of Wikipedia. You can get great information on non disputed subjects, but once the edit wars start the thing become useless.

It should be said in all fairness that the addition about the Soviet Union (not the hymn but the brutality of the regime) also was a very recent and anonymous addition. While few will dispute that the Soviet Union was all that the addition didn't meet the Wikipedia standards because it used the weasel words "some think" without citing who did. The addition about the character of the Soviet Union, as it stood, merely was an opinion of the anonymous person who added it.

Hence the removal of the addition was appropriate. The removal of the anthem fact of course was not.

Funny thing is that with the discussion going on the addition NOW has become a self fulfilling prophecy... the controversy can be documented now.

I guess you'll see a lock very soon.

282 bitsy  Wed, May 21, 2008 8:24:34pm

I have to confess that I like the song "O Valencia," but if I were running for president, I would be very careful who warmed up the crowd for me. I like some songs from NIN and the Sex Pistols, too, but I would wonder about my candidate's critical thinking skills if he had them playing at his campaign rallies.

283 KSK  Wed, May 21, 2008 8:30:21pm

Well in her campaign the German chancellor Angela Merkel liked to have "Angie" of the Rolling Stones played.

Until some people told her about the lyrics:

"With no loving in our souls and no money in our coats
You cant say were satisfied
But angie, angie, you cant say we never tried
Angie, youre beautiful, but aint it time we said good-bye? "

284 wannabuyaduck  Wed, May 21, 2008 8:57:54pm

re: #271 munchkin

Dunno if its been said before, but either the band members speak Russian and can sing the anthem EXACTLY like the red army choir, or they were playing a recording. That singing doesn't have a touch of accent.


I looked it up on youtube yesterday when I saw it mentioned, curious to see if there was video of the band performing it, but it sounded to me like they were playing a recording.

I'd be surprised if it turned out they know much about the real Decembrists anyway, from the statement on the website about Meloy saying the Decembrists were communist revolutionaries (although maybe they do know but would rather pretend otherwise) --
but wait, it looks like that reference is now among the missing.

Interesting that on the Obama flyer the band members were mentioned only by their individual names, no reference to the band name.

285 LEGION  Wed, May 21, 2008 10:11:41pm

Well you know what they say in Russia- Tough Shitsky
And you know what they say in Southern Russia- Tough Shitsky ya 'all.

286 E tan e epi tan  Wed, May 21, 2008 10:54:13pm

#113
#131
#147

The IP address showed 41.999 degrees north. That's Touhy avenue.

287 norar  Thu, May 22, 2008 12:39:39am

The irony is that the Decembrists (Dekabrists) were democrates in the best sense of the word, the kind that was destroyed by the Bolsheviks during the Communist revolution; and after it in the earliest labor camps created by Lenin and Trotsky in early 1920s.

Of course, the idiot feel good lefties do not actually learn history, so it does not intefere with their feeeeeelings.

288 peggyu  Thu, May 22, 2008 12:45:56am

Politicians come and politicians go, but the internet is forever...

289 TheMole  Thu, May 22, 2008 1:07:40am

re: #278 astronmr20

re: #255 guy_philly

re: #77 Andy in Colorado

Agree with your musical opinions. That is one hell of a rousing piece, and believe me I have no love for the USSR or communism in any form. What's weird is that the same music, with different words, is now the national anthem of Russia. It was played before the Canada vs. Russia hockey world championship game last week. I first heard it before Canada-Russia hockey games in the 1970s and was struck by it then. It seems best suited for orchestra and male chorus, but isn't too bad for solo bass voice -- which was done by "Nikolai" of the 1980s wrestling duo The Bolsheviks whenever they won a match. In the 1990s there was a computer virus called Hymn, reportedly from Russia, that froze the keyboard and then played a midi version of the tune on the PC speaker.

That said, the Decembrists are twits, Portland is a messed-up burg, and Obama has no more business being President than Britney Spears.

290 Aylios  Thu, May 22, 2008 2:08:45am

Lol, listening to the vid I had this fleeting image of Obama standing and respectfully listening with his trademark earnest-but-slightly-troubled expression on his face and wearing an Ushanka complete with red star.

291 Aylios  Thu, May 22, 2008 2:16:03am

re: #278 astronmr20

No, you're not. Many Russian compositions around the time are wonderful. Check out some modern Polish composers, too. Excellent stuff.


Ditto, the music is awesome. It perfectly evokes millions and millions of oppressed people, suffering in dignity under the lumbering and inhuman behemoth of their dictatorial political system.

292 Annar  Thu, May 22, 2008 3:19:27am

After the election the rallying song for the country will be this well-known tune (French version) which affords the best reflection of Dhimmicrat foreign policy and concern for the oppressed middle class.

293 Logic  Thu, May 22, 2008 4:21:21am

Wow! All the deception surrounding this is a bunch of Bolshevik!

294 Mo86  Thu, May 22, 2008 6:06:12am

I apologize for the idiocy of my city.

295 kpom  Thu, May 22, 2008 7:52:00am

The reference to the Soviet National Anthem has been removed again from the Wikipedia page.

296 Dr. Shalit  Thu, May 22, 2008 7:55:04am

re: #113 thor

IP address: 24.13.141.176
IP address country: United States
IP address state: Illinois
IP address city: Chicago
IP postcode: 60631
IP address latitude: 41.999001
IP address longitude: -87.821999
ISP of this IP : Comcast Cable
Organization: Comcast Cable
Host of this IP: c-24-13-141-176.hsd1.il.comcast.net

Think of the "Bright Side" THOR. At least we know the address holder is Captialist Enough to pay for, or Smart Enough to steal BROADBAND.

-S-

297 RobCon  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:28:02am

Do you think the moron teenages in the audience know what they are listening to.
Also, the IP address for the Winki change is in Chicago, huh.
I guess Barry's people move fast.

298 capitalist piglet  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:05:37am

re: #142 sultan_knish

very interesting

I will second that. They sure didn't waste any time trying to hide this bit of information.

299 sultan_knish  Thu, May 22, 2008 12:34:24pm

not entirely OT, there's a bid to delete the article on Mary Jo Kopechne

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

300 Aisha  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:32:42pm

Salaams kufr!

And you kafir have the temerity to criticize Aisha for wearing a swastika armband and singing the Horst Wessel Leid outside the Zionist Entity Embassy....

Well, singing is haraam, so I suppose you may have a point....

301 diminuendo  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:37:28am

funny thing is that all of that guys most recent edits are democrat hob knobery, lists of polls about BarakO's lead in different states. IP traces to Chicago, and bam edit a band's web site to protect the savior. Truth and change through slight of hand...nice.


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