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Eurofascists Jockeying for Legitimacy

Wed, May 21, 2008 at 6:11:02 pm PST

Following the collapse last year of the crypto-fascist European Parliament group called Identity Tradition Sovereignty (ITS), the British National Party’s Neanderthal leader Nick Griffin is reaching out to the Belgian Vlaams Belang, the French National Front, and the Austrian Freedom Party: Disquiet in the BNP over a strange invitation.

Some longstanding members of the BNP have been asking why Nick Griffin, the BNP leader, took time out from the election campaign only three days before polling day to attend a secret meeting in London with three leading European extremist politicians, one of whom has a recent conviction for Holocaust denial.

Initially billed as a press conference, its true purpose seems to have been to further Griffin’s ambition to become a Member of the European Parliament by building links with far-right MEPs.

The meeting had been organised by Arthur Kemp, the former agent for the South African apartheid regime and now keeper of the BNP’s ideological Holy Grail. Making the arrangements on behalf of the visitors was Georg Mayer, a senior officer in the Austrian Freedom Party. Mayer had also acted as the spokesperson for the short-lived Identity Tradition Sovereignty (ITS) group in the European Parliament until its collapse late last year when five ultra-nationalist Romanian MEPs walked out in protest at anti-Romanian remarks by their Italian colleague Alessandra Mussolini, the dictator’s granddaughter.

Their ill-conceived plan was to send out invitations to the media to attend the press conference only a short time in advance. Initially three MEPs were down to attend, then fairly late in the day Marie-Rose Morel, a member of the Flemish Parliament for the extreme-right Vlaams Belang (Flemish Interest) and former Flemish beauty queen, said she would come along too.

The star guests were to be Bruno Gollnisch, a French MEP and vice president of the far-right National Front, and Andreas Mölzer, an Austrian MEP and leading member of the Austrian Freedom Party.

Their presence revealed the true face of the BNP and confirmed Griffin’s continued failure to break away from Holocaust denial and antisemitism. In January 2007 a French court handed Gollnisch a three-month suspended prison sentence and fined him €5,000 (£4,000) for denying the Holocaust. The court in Lyon found he had “disputed a crime against humanity” in remarks he made during a news conference in the city in October 2004.

Gollnisch, who was chair of the ITS group, had questioned the number of Jews who died in the Holocaust and said the “existence of the gas chambers is for historians to discuss”.

Mölzer is the publisher of Zur Zeit, an Austrian political magazine in which racism, antisemitism and xenophobia are staple features. Its recent promotion of openly Nazi and antisemitic books prompted the Berlin weekly Junge Freiheit, on which Zur Zeit was originally modelled, to sever all connections. All that did not stop Griffin giving an interview to Zur Zeit earlier this year, in which he assured Mölzer of his firm belief in “nationalist cooperation” to deal with the “Islamic threat” and “the tide of Third World immigration” and to oppose the entry of Turkey into the EU.

The third MEP who was due to come was Philip Claeys, a VB MEP who was the vice-chair of the ITS. He did not want to show his face at the press conference but was keen to join a private meeting.

And in the game of “Six Degrees of Adolf Hitler,” here we see Pat Buchanan meeting with Filip DeWinter and Frank Vanhecke of the Belgian Vlaams Belang in 2007:

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#1 Sharmuta 5/21/08 6:13:23 pm 5

fascists sure do like to keep company with each other.

#2 yochanan 5/21/08 6:15:08 pm 4

will pat buchanan be joining the fascist international?

#3 loppyd 5/21/08 6:15:52 pm 0
The third MEP who was due to come was Philip Claeys, a VB MEP who was the vice-chair of the ITS. He did not want to show his face at the press conference but was keen to join a private meeting.

I thought they were proud of their movement, no?

#4 Sharmuta 5/21/08 6:16:00 pm 0

More on Nick Griffin and the BNP.

#5 joecitizen 5/21/08 6:16:24 pm 3

We're gonna have to fight these losers at some point..if it's bound to happen anyhow,I sure hope it happens while I still have some kick left in me..I see no difference between this and the jihad..

#6 Lucius Septimius 5/21/08 6:16:32 pm 1

What about Merv Griffen? Where does he fit into all this?

#7 Steffan 5/21/08 6:18:16 pm 0

I wonder which of them has the brown shirt concession?

Ought to be very popular at meetings like that.

#8 Killgore Trout 5/21/08 6:18:43 pm 0
The third MEP who was due to come was Philip Claeys, a VB MEP who was the vice-chair of the ITS. He did not want to show his face at the press conference but was keen to join a private meeting.


Vlaams Belang sure is careful about hiding their real ambitions.

#9 Steffan 5/21/08 6:18:56 pm 1

re: #3 loppyd

I thought they were proud of their movement, no?

That's what laxatives are for.

#10 funkyfantom 5/21/08 6:20:03 pm 7

The weird thing about Buchanan's love for Der Fuehrer is that
the Irish never cut the mustard with the Aryan crowd.

Any Scandinavian who wanted to buy into the whole Nazi thing was welcomed with open arms, but in a Nazi-dominated Europe, I do not believe that the Irish would have fared too well.

Where is his self-pride?

#11 Killgore Trout 5/21/08 6:21:07 pm 9

I'm anxiously awaiting Fjordy's 7,000 word essay attacking the anti--BNP blog that wrote this.

#12 JammieWearingFool 5/21/08 6:22:08 pm 2

Ooo-fa! There's Buchanan.

Where's his pitchfork?

#13 Sharmuta 5/21/08 6:22:52 pm 3

The bnp

National Front

Austrian Freedom Party

then fairly late in the day Marie-Rose Morel, a member of the Flemish Parliament for the extreme-right Vlaams Belang (Flemish Interest) and former Flemish beauty queen, said she would come along too.

But vb's not so bad, right? We should ally with them? I mean- their friends seem so nice.

/

#14 Lucius Septimius 5/21/08 6:25:44 pm 1

re: #11 Killgore Trout

I'm anxiously awaiting Fjordy's 7,000 word essay attacking the anti--BNP blog that wrote this.

The logic will be tortuous yet sophisticated, I'm sure.

#15 Alouette 5/21/08 6:26:23 pm 0

re: #6 Lucius Septimius

What about Merv Griffen? Where does he fit into all this?

He may be related to Nick Griffin through Peter, Stewie and Brian.

#16 loppyd 5/21/08 6:26:50 pm 1

re: #12 JammieWearingFool

Ooo-fa! There's Buchanan.

Where's his pitchfork?

He's hiding it under the sheet.

#17 rightymouse 5/21/08 6:28:48 pm 2

We can barely deal with changing the minds of citizens in our midst who think communism is great despite historical evidence that proves otherwise.

How can we cope with Nazi mentality?

Western civilzation is under assault by many of their own citizens.

I need to go to bed.

#18 Lucius Septimius 5/21/08 6:29:53 pm 0

re: #15 Alouette

He may be related to Nick Griffin through Peter, Stewie and Brian.

I always think of him as the elevator killer in "The Man with Two Brains"

#19 Lucius Septimius 5/21/08 6:30:17 pm 2
#20 livefreeor die 5/21/08 6:30:33 pm 1

re: #18 Lucius Septimius

I always think of him as the elevator killer in "The Man with Two Brains"

That's two more brains than in the group picture at the top of this thread.

#21 Lucius Septimius 5/21/08 6:33:55 pm 0

re: #20 livefreeor die

That's two more brains than in the group picture at the top of this thread.

At least.

#22 Sharmuta 5/21/08 6:34:13 pm 0
All that did not stop Griffin giving an interview to Zur Zeit earlier this year, in which he assured Molzer of his firm belief in “nationalist cooperation” to deal with the “Islamic threat” and “the tide of Third World immigration” and to oppose the entry of Turkey into the EU.

You have to wonder if griffin's idea of a solution doesn't resemble the el ingles essay.

#23 Occasional Reader 5/21/08 6:35:04 pm 7

"I hate pan-European Nazis."

#24 Charles 5/21/08 6:35:17 pm 13

I've gotten about a dozen emails today from people pissed off at me because I wouldn't allow Ted Kennedy bashing, by the way.

Unfortunately, crappy behavior on the web is not the sole province of the left.

#25 Occasional Reader 5/21/08 6:37:05 pm 0

re: #18 Lucius Septimius

I always think of him as the elevator killer in "The Man with Two Brains"

"YOU!.... Merv Griffin!"

Hilarious movie.

#26 goddessoftheclassroom 5/21/08 6:37:09 pm 0

re: #24 Charles

How dare they complain about your standards!

I ask you...

#27 pittrader1988 5/21/08 6:37:11 pm 7

Pat buchanan should no longer be tolerated by the right wing. He is just as batty as the moonbats that wear pink and protest the war on the left.

He is off his rocker on free trade, immigration, and just about every issue that confronts America. Pat Buchanan, take a report.

#28 gop_patriot 5/21/08 6:37:52 pm 0

re: #24 Charles

I've gotten about a dozen emails today from people are pissed off at me because I wouldn't allow Ted Kennedy bashing, by the way.

Unfortunately, crappy behavior on the web is not the sole province of the left.

I wonder what part of "Get thee to thine own blog if you don't like it here" they don't understand. It's your site, how can they even have the nerve to complain? Weird.

#29 Noam Sayin' 5/21/08 6:37:55 pm 0

re: #24 Charles

That just shows no compassion. I called the Senator an ass over at Kos - on his thread (got banned for that one) - but my heart goes out to him in his illness.

#30 rightymouse 5/21/08 6:38:28 pm 2

re: #24 Charles

I've gotten about a dozen emails today from people are pissed off at me because I wouldn't allow Ted Kennedy bashing, by the way.

Unfortunately, crappy behavior on the web is not the sole province of the left.

That's sad and so very small of them.

I would not wish this type of cancer on my worst enemy.

#31 yochanan 5/21/08 6:39:07 pm 3

re: #10 funkyfantom

the irish free state was nutral during ww2, with some supporting the Nazi state, the Irish ambassador to Germany when snicklegruber died sent a condolence letter. some hated the British enough to join the Nazi's.

#32 Noam Sayin' 5/21/08 6:39:31 pm 0

re: #29 Noam Sayin'

... on their part, not yours.

#33 LoFlyer 5/21/08 6:41:20 pm 0

re: #24 Charles

I've gotten about a dozen emails today from people are pissed off at me because I wouldn't allow Ted Kennedy bashing, by the way.

Unfortunately, crappy behavior on the web is not the sole province of the left.

Charles, I apologize for a couple of boorish comments on the issue. I wish TK the best, this is a horrible death sentence for anyone to face no matter how much I hate their politics...

#34 bosforus 5/21/08 6:42:03 pm 0

Photo taken in rec room after a rousing game of mini ping pong.

#35 livefreeor die 5/21/08 6:42:06 pm 0

re: #24 Charles

I've gotten about a dozen emails today from people pissed off at me because I wouldn't allow Ted Kennedy bashing, by the way.

Unfortunately, crappy behavior on the web is not the sole province of the left.

I don't understand a need to bash someone who has just been diagnosed with a terminal condition. And mind you, I'm no fan of his politics.

#36 goddessoftheclassroom 5/21/08 6:42:38 pm 0

Good night, dear Lizards. Until tomorrow...

#37 gop_patriot 5/21/08 6:43:16 pm 1

re: #36 goddessoftheclassroom

Goodnight, goddess, thanks for adding my friend's child to the prayer list. If I hear anything, I'll update. :)

Sleep well!

#38 rightymouse 5/21/08 6:43:30 pm 0

re: #28 gop_patriot

I wonder what part of "Get thee to thine own blog if you don't like it here" they don't understand. It's your site, how can they even have the nerve to complain? Weird.

Likely, it's the inabilty to separate the politics from the suffering of the individual.

#39 Lucius Septimius 5/21/08 6:44:04 pm 0

re: #25 Occasional Reader

"YOU!.... Merv Griffin!"

Hilarious movie.

"I love to kill, I've always loved to kill"

I think I nearly peed my pants the first time I heard that.

#40 RichatUF 5/21/08 6:44:24 pm 1

Seems that Buchanan is trying to rehabilitate Hitler's image. Been noticing alot of Nazi sheik lately.

#41 ORD neighbor 5/21/08 6:45:03 pm 1

It's all interconnected.

#42 ploome hineni 5/21/08 6:46:54 pm 0

re: #40 RichatUF

Seems that Buchanan is trying to rehabilitate Hitler's image. Been noticing alot of Nazi sheik lately.

did you hear the Skelnator...........yechhhhhhhhhhh/spit. .........just now refuse to give a direct answer when asked if he would 'talk' to Hitler?

#43 Alouette 5/21/08 6:47:27 pm 0

re: #30 rightymouse

I would not wish this type of cancer on my worst enemy.

Well, I would wish it on Ahmadinejad, Abbas, and all the Hamas guys.

#44 loppyd 5/21/08 6:47:41 pm 0

re: #42 ploome hineni

did you hear the Skelnator...........yechhhhhhhhhhh/spit. .........just now refuse to give a direct answer when asked if he would 'talk' to Hitler?

Alan Colmes?

#45 Occasional Reader 5/21/08 6:47:55 pm 0
Nazi sheik

Unintentional, but I like it.

#46 quickjustice 5/21/08 6:48:05 pm 2

Buchanan's never liked the Jooos. He's a throwback to Father Coughlin.

#47 pcalver 5/21/08 6:48:19 pm 4

Having recently read Jonah Goldberg's excellent book, "Liberal Fascism", I think it would be better to identify these very objectionable groups as something other than "fascists" or "neo-fascists". What is most objectionable about the European groups you reference is their ultra-nationalism, racism, anti-semitism, and xenophobia. The fascist impulse to unite their core ethnic and national group around these shared hatreds of "others" is indeed present, but the fascist impulse there is only more loathsome than the "friendly" American progressive fascism because of these nasty underlying principles. Let's keep separate our dislike of fascism itself, including our indigenous American form, from our loathing of the organized hatred of "other" social groups, of which these European groups are also emblematic.

#48 mikeinmd 5/21/08 6:48:19 pm 0

re: #24 Charles

What kind of heartless human could even hit send on an e-mail like that is beyond me. A Man is probably dying of cancer, and the only thought they have is to pile it on. No thought of his family, even. I can't think of much I ever agreed on with him, but I wish him the best in this battle.

#49 cookielady 5/21/08 6:48:19 pm 0

re: #45 Occasional Reader

I enjoyed the juxtaposition, myself.

#50 Lucius Septimius 5/21/08 6:49:39 pm 0

re: #47 pcalver

How about "asswipes"? That seems a pretty accurate term ...

#51 lawhawk 5/21/08 6:49:40 pm 0

re: #24 Charles

I've gotten about a dozen emails today from people pissed off at me because I wouldn't allow Ted Kennedy bashing, by the way.

Unfortunately, crappy behavior on the web is not the sole province of the left.

Jay Tea at Wizbang tried an experiment with 24 hours of open postings - no moderation except to out sockpuppetry. The stuff that got people flagged here was allowed there. The good, the bad, and the ugly.

Their blog - their rules.
Your blog - your rules.

It really is pretty simple...

#52 rightymouse 5/21/08 6:50:39 pm 0

re: #43 Alouette

Well, I would wish it on Ahmadinejad, Abbas, and all the Hamas guys.

I don't.

Praying for this kind of thing for an enemy is bad karma.

Zarkman kind of thingy? Not so much.

#53 loppyd 5/21/08 6:51:32 pm 2

Bad news for Barry...

OT: Petraeus: Troops in Iraq help blunt Iran threat
WASHINGTON - Army Gen. David Petraeus, who is to assume control of U.S. forces in the Middle East, says that a continued U.S. presence in Iraq is more likely to blunt, rather than inflame, Iran's growing influence in the region.

#54 loppyd 5/21/08 6:52:46 pm 0

re: #52 rightymouse

I don't.

Praying for this kind of thing for an enemy is bad karma.

Zarkman kind of thingy? Not so much.

Hi righty!

Creepy bad Karma.

#55 Lucius Septimius 5/21/08 6:53:16 pm 0

re: #53 loppyd

Bad news for Barry...

OT: Petraeus: Troops in Iraq help blunt Iran threat
WASHINGTON - Army Gen. David Petraeus, who is to assume control of U.S. forces in the Middle East, says that a continued U.S. presence in Iraq is more likely to blunt, rather than inflame, Iran's growing influence in the region.

NO! NO! We are causing all the trouble by annoying them! LALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALAL! I"m not listening!

#56 Steffan 5/21/08 6:53:44 pm 0

re: #24 Charles

You did exactly right. I don't agree with his politics, but he's had more than enough grief in his life. I don't feel like adding to it.

#57 Sharmuta 5/21/08 6:53:49 pm 0

Here's a good link at the site with this story. The far-right in the EU. It's pdf, but it lists the parties in a couple of different countries throughout europe, including the Sweden Democrats, who they call racist.

#58 rightymouse 5/21/08 6:54:06 pm 0

re: #54 loppyd

Hi righty!

Creepy bad Karma.


{bunnyhop}

Yes, it's creepy bad karma.

#59 A Kiwi Infidel 5/21/08 6:55:14 pm 0

re: #34 bosforus

Photo taken in rec room after a rousing game of mini ping pong pocket billiards.

Cant someone fotoshop these three dickheads out of the pic and leave the other two in?

#60 Charles 5/21/08 6:55:35 pm 2

re: #51 lawhawk

Jay Tea at Wizbang tried an experiment with 24 hours of open postings - no moderation except to out sockpuppetry. The stuff that got people flagged here was allowed there. The good, the bad, and the ugly.

Their blog - their rules.
Your blog - your rules.

It really is pretty simple...

I'm not even interested in trying an experiment like that. I've already experienced what blog comments can be like if you don't take charge (the pre-registration days at LGF), and I'm not a masochist.

#61 quickjustice 5/21/08 6:57:11 pm 0

After that creepy kid wished "cancer" on Charles a couple of days ago, I can see why cursing people in this fashion is especially distasteful.

We're all mortal, and gloating over the mortality and suffering of another human being, even one who is a political adversary, is unseemly.

Putting down a mortal enemy is in another class entirely.

#62 loppyd 5/21/08 6:57:42 pm 0

re: #55 Lucius Septimius

NO! NO! We are causing all the trouble by annoying them! LALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALAL! I"m not listening!

He'll just deny he ever said Iran is more powerful because we're in Iraq....

#63 loppyd 5/21/08 6:58:35 pm 0

re: #58 rightymouse

{righty}

Hope all is well!

#64 Killgore Trout 5/21/08 6:59:26 pm 0

re: #60 Charles


That wizbang thread only had 40 comments in 24 hours. I couldn't imagine what would happen here.

#65 Steffan 5/21/08 6:59:40 pm 0

re: #42 ploome hineni

did you hear the Skelnator...........yechhhhhhhhhhh/spit. .........just now refuse to give a direct answer when asked if he would 'talk' to Hitler?

Hey, I'd be more than happy to 'talk' to Hitler.... if I had a gun in my hand and a three-second lead on his bodyguard.

That's about how long it would take to double-cap the SOB.

#66 Pastorius 5/21/08 7:00:16 pm 0

#5 Joe Citizen,
We are in agreement there.

#67 rightymouse 5/21/08 7:01:17 pm 0

re: #63 loppyd

{righty}

Hope all is well!

Couldn't be better!

We'll be on the Cape in July. Can't wait.

Hope all is well with you too. Step-Dad ok?

#68 X-ray 5/21/08 7:03:18 pm 2

What's in a name? That which we call a troll
By any other name would stink as foul.

Troll
Jihadi
Fascist
Nazi
BNP
Republican
Democrat
Etc.

People whose sympathy for the suffering of others is predicated on party, clan, tribe or usefulness to an end are all the same. And their stench darkens the world just like the beauty of a rose brightens it.

#69 Mars Needs Neocons 5/21/08 7:03:22 pm 0

I was going to ask if anyone had heard about the Chinook sabotage, then I stumbled on jamiewearingfools site and know that everyones been told.

#70 Syrah 5/21/08 7:03:26 pm 2

The irony is that whatever alliance these creeps manage to cobble together, will like the ITS, fall apart once one of its members objects to the ethnic slurs it will endure from another.

The prime motive of each of these groups, ethnic supremacism, makes them essentially incapable of working cooperatively with other ethnic groups, especially with other ethnic supremacist groups.

#71 rightymouse 5/21/08 7:04:13 pm 0

re: #61 quickjustice

After that creepy kid wished "cancer" on Charles a couple of days ago, I can see why cursing people in this fashion is especially distasteful.

We're all mortal, and gloating over the mortality and suffering of another human being, even one who is a political adversary, is unseemly.

Putting down a mortal enemy is in another class entirely.

Amen.

#72 snowcrash 5/21/08 7:04:30 pm 0

Some of the posts got real ugly at Hot Air too.

#73 Kosh's Shadow 5/21/08 7:05:36 pm 0

Charles, if you're reading this, we had an IP address of the person who took edited the Decemberists Wikipedia entry to take out reference to the Soviet anthem.
Yankee Division Son did a bit of investigating, and it looks like probably some college students who do web games; probably hooked on hopium.
But I wondered if anyone from that IP address registered here on LGF; might be a way to find a moby or two.
But them, as the Lizard King, you've probably figured this out, and feasted on their blubber already.

#74 Syrah 5/21/08 7:06:13 pm 1

The posters at the old Yahoo bbs boards were beyond out of control.

#75 Mars Needs Neocons 5/21/08 7:06:33 pm 0

Hey Jammie if you're here, my newspaper mentioned an earlier sabotage, was there ever any info on if they were connected?

#76 Intrepid 5/21/08 7:06:52 pm 2

re: #24 Charles

I've gotten about a dozen emails today from people pissed off at me because I wouldn't allow Ted Kennedy bashing, by the way.

Unfortunately, crappy behavior on the web is not the sole province of the left.

Well, for what it's worth, I'm thrilled you wielded the stick so firmly. There's no cause for talk (posts) like that, no matter how strenuously we may disagree with Sen Kennedy's politics or decry the poor choices he made in his life. He could have lived a life of ease and leisure, but he spent his whole career in service to the people of Massachusetts. And no one deserves to be poked at when they've just been told such horrible news, nor does their family.

#77 mikeinmd 5/21/08 7:06:55 pm 0

OT - Whoa, Sorry if it's redundant.

NY Post

OBAMA TO A'JAD: ATOMIC ASSIST

Ali Larijani, Iran's former nuclear negotiator and now a Majlis member, was arguing that the Islamic Republic would pay a heavy price for Ahmadinejad's rejection of three UN Security Council resolutions on nukes. Then the likely Democratic presidential nominee stepped in.

Obama announced that, if elected, he wouldn't ask Iran to comply with UN resolutions as a precondition for direct talks with Ahmadinejad: "Preconditions, as it applies to a country like Iran, for example, was a term of art. Because this administration has been very clear that it will not have direct negotiations with Iran until Iran has met preconditions that are essentially what Iran views, and many other observers would view, as the subject of the negotiations; for example, their nuclear program."

Which head did this come out of ? Fourth, Fifth ?

#78 Kosh's Shadow 5/21/08 7:07:20 pm 0

re: #43 Alouette

Well, I would wish it on Ahmadinejad, Abbas, and all the Hamas guys.

I don't wish cancer on them; I wish work accidents. I hope Amadmanonjhad gets a lungful of uranium hexaflouride next time he visits one of their "peaceful" nuclear enrichment sites, because of a major accident.

#79 Alouette 5/21/08 7:07:40 pm 1

re: #74 Syrah

The posters at the old Yahoo bbs boards were beyond out of control.

Usenet. Remember Usenet?

#80 David Simon 5/21/08 7:07:44 pm 0

A clever ploy to shift the all Obama all the time media focus: McCain will host possible veeps at his home on Memorial Day.

[Link: ap.google.com...]

Now that's using your noggin.

/I'd be a little more excited if the prize were something more than President McCain.

#81 Syrah 5/21/08 7:08:14 pm 2

re: #79 Alouette

Usenet. Remember Usenet?

Usenet made Yahoo look like a kindergarten.

#82 loppyd 5/21/08 7:09:35 pm 0

re: #67 rightymouse

The Cape in July is just lovely...

I may be on the Vineyard in July. We may go to Bar Harbor for a change instead....

My Step-father is getting better every day.

Thanks for remembering.

#83 RichatUF 5/21/08 7:09:39 pm 1