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Preacher Wars: ABC Plays Gotcha

Thu, May 22, 2008 at 10:05:50 am PDT

Here comes the ABC News counterattack against John McCain, to even the score for Rev. Jeremiah Wright: McCain Pastor: Islam Is a ‘Conspiracy of Spiritual Evil’.

Despite his call for the U.S. to win the “hearts and minds of the Islamic world,” Sen. John McCain recruited the support of an evangelical minister who describes Islam as “anti-Christ” and Mohammed as “the mouthpiece of a conspiracy of spiritual evil.”

McCain sought the support of Pastor Rod Parsley of the World Harvest Church of Columbus, Ohio at a critical time in his campaign in February, when former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee was continuing to draw substantial support from the Christian right.

At a campaign appearance in Cincinnati, McCain introduced Parsley as “one of the truly great leaders in America, a moral compass, a spiritual guide.”

Campaign aides positioned Parsley right behind McCain for photographers, apparently unconcerned about Parsley’s well-established denunciations of the Islamic faith in a book “Silent No More” and on DVDs of sermons about Islam.

“Islam is an anti-Christ religion that intends through violence to conquer the world,” Parsley says on the DVDs reviewed by ABC News. “America was founded with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed,” Parsley says, “and I believe Sept. 11, 2001 was a generational call to arms that we can no longer ignore.”

This will be known as the Election Year of the Loose Cannon Preachers.

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1 galloping granny  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:08:08am

McCain has not sat in Parsley's church Sunday after Sunday for twenty years - more than 1000 Sundays.

McCain has not sent his precious children to be indoctrinated at Parsley's church.

McCain did not appoint Parsley his spiritual advisor or mentor.

There is no comparison at all.

2 coquimbojoe  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:08:24am

The hypocrisy of the MSM is stunning.

3 JammieWearingFool  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:08:48am
By BRIAN ROSS, AVNI PATEL and REHAB EL-BURI

I'm sure Rehab is very objective.

4 inkling  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:08:49am

Apples. Oranges.

5 bosforus  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:09:02am

The important thing is that Wright hurt Obama when it needed to. I doubt McCain's preacher will have the same kind of impact.

6 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:09:28am

So asking for Parsely's support is the same as going to Wright's racist "church" for 20 years, praising him, and giving large donations?

Besides, Islam does plan to conquer the world; they tell us that all the time.

7 coquimbojoe  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:10:18am

re: #1 galloping granny

McCain has not sat in Parsley's church Sunday after Sunday for twenty years - more than 1000 Sundays.

McCain has not sent his precious children to be indoctrinated at Parsley's church.

McCain did not appoint Parsley his spiritual advisor or mentor.

There is no comparison at all.

Zactly.

8 CIA Reject  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:10:31am

Old New York saying:

"Money talks, bullshit walks"

How much money has Senator McCain contributed to Pastor Parsley's church and how long has he been a member of Parsley's congregation?

Sorry ABC -no equivalence to Wright/BO Not even close!

/TRY AGAIN!

9 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:10:50am

re: #3 JammieWearingFool
y BRIAN ROSS, AVNI PATEL and REHAB EL-BURI

I'm sure Rehab is very objective.

Patel might be Muslim as well, although he could be Hindu.

10 JammieWearingFool  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:10:59am

Their Obama story has tis headline: Buried in Eloquence, Obama Contradictions About Pastor

Please.

11 Joshin  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:11:07am

In the Bitterlands Parsely's comments will yield a: "Yup, we know."

-J

12 Maximu§  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:11:21am

My son and I watched this hit-piece on ABC this morning and nothing Pastor Rod Parsley said even comes close to the poison Rev. Wright spewed out.

This will backfire big time.

13 dolfan  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:11:34am

“Islam is an anti-Christ religion that intends through violence to conquer the world.”

But isn't that statement true?

14 JammieWearingFool  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:11:43am

re: #9 Kosh's Shadow

y BRIAN ROSS, AVNI PATEL and REHAB EL-BURI

Patel might be Muslim as well, although he could be Hindu.

I know plenty of Patels. I was talking about Rehab El-Buri.

I doubt he's Amish.

15 phoenixgirl  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:12:11am

re: #1 galloping granny

McCain has not sat in Parsley's church Sunday after Sunday for twenty years - more than 1000 Sundays.

McCain has not sent his precious children to be indoctrinated at Parsley's church.

McCain did not appoint Parsley his spiritual advisor or mentor.

There is no comparison at all.

exactly

16 godziller  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:12:57am

"Islam is an anti-Christ religion that intends through violence to conquer the world,"

"and I believe Sept. 11, 2001 was a generational call to arms that we can no longer ignore."

True, and true.

Wright made Osama, sorry, Obama look bad, This makes McCain look good.

17 MandyManners  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:13:03am

re: #13 dolfan

“Islam is an anti-Christ religion that intends through violence to conquer the world.”

But isn't that statement true?

Yes it is. I hope that those who read this story pause and think about the nature of Islam, even research it.

18 justiceforall  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:13:27am

It isn't really so much "evening the score" as it is citing facts.

19 bosforus  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:13:36am

The argument 'everything the pastor's saying is true' won't work, btw.

20 MikeAlv77  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:13:39am

While some may not agree with me, what Parsley is saying about Islam is true. It does want to conquer the world, it wants no other religions but itself and has been trying to remove all other faiths since it was started by the Pedophile of the Desert (Peanut Butter Upon Him).

Plus the fact that McCain did not attend his church for 20+ years and give the guy $50K in the last 2 years. The moral equivalency of the MSM is unbelievable... not surprising but still unbelievable.

21 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:14:18am

re: #14 JammieWearingFool

I know plenty of Patels. I was talking about Rehab El-Buri.

I doubt he's Amish.

I knew that; I was pointing out that 2 of the 3 could be ROP'ers.

Although I think the Patels I knew were Hindu

22 maddogg  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:14:26am
evangelical minister who describes Islam as “anti-Christ” and Mohammed as “the mouthpiece of a conspiracy of spiritual evil.”

So, that is supposed to be controversial?

23 LeftJustAintRight  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:14:32am

Will CAIR sue The Rev and McCain now?

24 Kenneth  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:14:48am

According to the MSM this statement is offensive and hurts McCain:

“Islam is an anti-Christ religion that intends through violence to conquer the world,” Parsley says on the DVDs reviewed by ABC News.

But this statement is ignored and means nothing to the millions of Americans voting for Obama:

"We will rule the nations, by Allah's will, the USA will be conquered, Israel will be conquered, Rome and Britain will be conquered...
The Jihad for Allah... is the way of Truth and the way for Salvation and the way which will lead us to crush the Jews and expel them from our country Palestine. Just as the Jews ran from Gaza, the Americans will run from Iraq and Afghanistan and the Russians will run from Chechnya, and the Indian will run from Kashmir, and our children will be released from Guantanamo. The prisoners will be released by Allah's will, not by peaceful means and not by agreements, but they will be released by the sword, they will be released by the gun".

-Obama booster & Hamas spokesman, Yasser Ghalban

25 TheMedianSib  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:15:08am

The libs and MSM will equate Parsley with Wright. Par for the course.

26 JammieWearingFool  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:15:08am

Was this guy a spiritual mentor, father figure, and inspiration for a book to McCain?

Did McCain attend his church for 20 years?

Did he officiate McCains' wedding, baptize his children?

None of the above?

OK, they WTF is the story here?

27 Spiny Norman  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:15:12am

re: #1 galloping granny

McCain has not sat in Parsley's church Sunday after Sunday for twenty years - more than 1000 Sundays.

McCain has not sent his precious children to be indoctrinated at Parsley's church.

McCain did not appoint Parsley his spiritual advisor or mentor.

There is no comparison at all.

In the eyes of the Democrat shills that pass themselves off as "objective journalists", it's worse. It's a "stain" he can never wash away.

28 Lobosan5  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:15:14am

Like I said...the devil laughs!

29 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:15:34am
30 Sharmuta  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:15:47am
Al Moheet, a regional Arabic Web site operating in Egypt, carries the story with a picture of McCain and the headline: "McCain's Spiritual Adviser Calls for the Destruction of Islam."

I'm so glad the American msm is so thorough in it's research, and particular about framing that the muslim street is being brainwashed with this lovely propaganda.

31 elevenbravo1969  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:16:12am

No evidence presented, so far, that Parsley's statements are not absolutely true.

32 zombie  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:16:13am

I heard about this Parsley strategy last week.

It won't work.

First of all, McCain's association with Parsley is pretty slim, and recent. He wasn't McCain's "mentor" for 20 solid years, didn't marry him and his wife, didn't baptize his kids, etc.

Second, I'd say a majority of Christians actually agree with what Parsley is saying -- so they won't take offense at McCain being associated with him.

Parsley may be a bit in-your-face, but he's not anti-American in the slightest. In fact, he's hyper-pro-American. Therein lies the difference.

Which would you choose: an outrageous preacher who's aggressively pro-America, or an out-of-control preacher who's aggressively anti-America?

This is a losing issue for the Democrats. Only keeps Wright in the public's mind.

33 JohnnyReb  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:16:20am

Other than this comment: “America was founded with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed,” I think the guy is spot on the money myself. Or did I miss something?

34 The Other Les  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:16:43am

Brain Ross isn't what I would call a credible reporter. (Something to do with exploding pickup trucks and sabotaged automatic transmissions.)

It's pathetic when the opposition has to accuse someone of speaking the truth.

35 Kenneth  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:16:49am

Here's the word from the man Obama pledged to meet without preconditions: Islam will conquer the world.

36 Fo knee ix  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:16:57am

You can just imagine a steamy room full of ABC scribes searching, googling for the pretense of anything resembling moral equivalence. Lo and behold, this is it. It doesn't matter if Parsley's assessment is correct or not, it just matters that he is criticizing another group. It won't be long until the "racism" meme is picked up and someone will have to calmly explain that Islam isn't a race. Meh, more MSM bile. I can't wait for these fools to go bankrupt.

37 Outrider  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:18:05am
“Islam is an anti-Christ religion that intends through violence to conquer the world,...”
“...and I believe Sept. 11, 2001 was a generational call to arms that we can no longer ignore.”

And Rev Parsley is wrong.....how?

38 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:18:35am
39 Honorary Yooper  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:18:52am

re: #33 JohnnyReb

Other than this comment: “America was founded with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed,” I think the guy is spot on the money myself. Or did I miss something?

No, no you didn't. That's the only comment that I could see that is a bit inaccurate.

40 itellu3times  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:18:56am

Yah, I just happened to see this hoohah this morning. It went on and on, like a five-minute hit piece. Well, hey, I guess you have to expect this as part of the election process.

I suppose the lib MSM thinks this will ameliorate the effects of Wright on Obama, more than they think it will really hurt McCain. Heck, it probably helps McCain on the right and in the middle!

It wlil be curious to see what, if anything, McCain's campaign, and the candidate himself, says in response.

41 Charles  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:19:26am

Where Parsley is wrong:

America was founded with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed...

Well, no actually, that's not why America was founded. That statement does make him sound nuts.

But I agree that this issue isn't going to gain any traction.

42 Bucephalas  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:19:51am

re: #1 galloping granny

Sorry Granny, no logic allowed here. Since when is the MSM expected to let the facts get in the way of making a political point? Take your inconvenient little assertions and move along. We've got an election to win you know...

43 anotherindyfilmguy  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:19:52am

This is beautiful!

In comparing religious leaders:
One the one side you have vitriolic racist "goddamn AmeriKKKa" from a radical leftist race pimp and on the other someone who "speaks truth(mostly - I'd question some of his stuff there) to power" in telling it as it is about islam...

Let the MSM go on like this, they will only help sow the seeds or defeat for the candidate they've collectively helped vault into the collectivist's party candidacy...

44 zombie  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:20:09am
Islam is an anti-Christ religion that intends through violence to conquer the world,” Parsley says on the DVDs reviewed by ABC News. “America was founded with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed,” Parsley says, “and I believe Sept. 11, 2001 was a generational call to arms that we can no longer ignore.”

Aside from the word "anti-Christ", what's to even disagree with? Hundreds of Muslim preachers have said exactly what Parsley says: they intend to conquer the world, by any means necessary (including violence). Just re-visit the MEMRI archives.

45 maddogg  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:20:45am
“Islam is an anti-Christ religion that intends through violence to conquer the world,” Parsley says on the DVDs reviewed by ABC News. “America was founded with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed,” Parsley says, “and I believe Sept. 11, 2001 was a generational call to arms that we can no longer ignore.”

And they make little effort to act otherwise, IMHO. This is the gist of most of the sermons preached by their imams. I would say Reverend Parsley has been watching their videos.

I believe he is correct in his statement concerning America founded to see this false religion destroyed, in that America was founded to stand against tyranny, and Islam is tyranny.

46 zombie  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:21:03am

re: #38 buzzsawmonkey

The battle of the leafy vegetables--Parsley v. arugula--begins.

LOL!

BTW, you never got back to me about my Obama campaign sign Cafe Press idea. I await your communique!

47 Ma Sands  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:21:15am

OT:


Help yourself, Lizards. :)


(celebrating my 10,000th comment :)

48 The Other Les  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:21:30am

re: #41 Charles

Well false religions aren't going to do well in a free nation.

49 bigpinkfluffybunny  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:21:58am

Is it just me, or might this actually i>get McCain some votes out in hillbilly country.....you know, the very areas that Obama ain't winning?

50 Sarge1984  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:22:31am

re: #47 Ma Sands

Happy 10k to you
Happy 10k to you
Happy 10k Dear Maaaaaaaaa....
Happy 10k to you!

51 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:22:44am
52 Lobosan5  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:22:54am

re: #33 JohnnyReb

Other than this comment: “America was founded with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed,” I think the guy is spot on the money myself. Or did I miss something?

this is a battle of Principalities.....good vs. evil.....GOD THE FATHER vs. the father of all lies & subterfuge. or good is evil & evil is truth.
"is it tomorow,...or just the end of Time!" J.Hendrix

53 Maximu§  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:22:56am

re: #13 dolfan

“Islam is an anti-Christ religion that intends through violence to conquer the world.”

But isn't that statement true?

It is, the truth has a certain ring to it. All the spin doctors in the world can't change that.

54 Ziggy  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:23:03am

November 5th cannot get here fast enough.

55 chinesearithmetic  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:23:04am

#11 In the Bitterlands Parsely's comments will yield a: "Yup, we know."

Joshin, you just redrew my Atlas.

56 zombie  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:23:06am
#3 JammieWearingFool

By BRIAN ROSS, AVNI PATEL and REHAB EL-BURI

I'm sure Rehab is very objective.

I don't wanna read stuff by Rehab, no, no, no.

57 lawhawk  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:23:16am

re: #38 buzzsawmonkey

The battle of the leafy vegetables--Parsley v. arugula--begins.

It will be a bitter battle to say the least. Leeks will out, sprinkling the campaign with the aroma of a nutty edom cheese.

58 MandyManners  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:23:35am

Well, according to Michael Oren, we ditched the Articles of Confederation for a federal government in order to raise the money to build the navy we needed to combat Muslim pirates.

59 yma o hyd  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:24:48am

re: #47 Ma Sands

Thank you!
And heartfelt congratulations!

60 SaracensAtTheGates  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:24:56am

"God damn America," said Rev. Jeremiah Wright. And it's on video. Rev. Parsley says what again that is equivalent to this statement by Rev. Wright?

61 Ojoe  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:25:00am

Oh well.

The MSM completely misunderstands religion anyway.

Its about love.

62 Kenneth  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:25:05am

re: #44 zombie

Re: the anti-Christ

I know you're not into the scriptural interpretations of the apocalypse in current events, but Muslim eschatology describes a Mahdi who bears a striking resemblance to the anti-Christ in Christian theology. It's something to think about.

63 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:25:08am

re: #57 lawhawk

It will be a bitter battle to say the least. Leeks will out, sprinkling the campaign with the aroma of a nutty edom cheese.

Well, I think Rev Parsley made some sage comments, at a good thyme.

64 kalvinb  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:25:29am

“America was founded with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed,”

That's not true at all.

Christianity teaches than Jesus died on the cross in place of all men.
Islam teaches that a man died in the place of Jesus on the cross.

You can't get more "anti-Christ" than that in a religion. It is the exact opposite of what Christianity teaches.

So that part is true.

The God of Islam is not the God of Christianity. You can see that by looking at what the two Gods teach. You can't argue that apples are oranges because they both are fruit, grow on trees and have a colorful skin. Or that I'm Charles because I have legs, feet, eyes and ears just like him.

The other issue is claiming that there is no difference between moderate Muslims and extremist Muslims.

That's semantics and definitions. By definition that's a false claim. The real issue is what does "moderate" mean and do those Muslims exist. I've had a hard time finding a Muslim that supports Israel.

Trying to conquer the world through violence was true. Now they're a little more political about it. CAIR is not influencing politicians by blowing up IEDs on major US highways.

But again you have to look at how Islam is trying to get its way around the world. In some parts of the world it is true. Other parts, not so much.

The left will have nothing good to say about this but even the secular right can agree with the basic ideas of his message. Even if he goes over the top with some of the details.

65 Kenneth  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:25:30am

re: #51 buzzsawmonkey

Plain speech isn't very nuanced.

66 jcm  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:25:33am

re: #47 Ma Sands

OT:


Help yourself, Lizards. :)


(celebrating my 10,000th comment :)

Happy 10K.

Yesterday I found out I need reading glasses.
*spit*
Today is my 48th (according to my mother), tomorrow according to County records.

Youth is wasted on the young.

67 zombie  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:25:33am

re: #41 Charles

Where Parsley is wrong:

America was founded with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed...


Well, no actually, that's not why America was founded. That statement does make him sound nuts.

But I agree that this issue isn't going to gain any traction.

I think he's referring to the Barbary Wars, which is the first thing the independent US did as a foreign policy action -- smash Islamic pirates.

Sure, obviously, Parsley's statement is hyperbolic, but as long as he's not "damn"ing America, I don't think the public cares.

68 jcm  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:25:54am

re: #54 Ziggy

November 5th cannot get here fast enough.

Nov. 6th for Democrats, pass the word.

69 Pshawalaw  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:26:17am

What always gets me about these counter attacks wherein they say in essence, 'he did it too', is that they are admitting that their guy did something wrong and don't care. They seem to believe that hypocrisy trumps fault; so if they can find examples where the other guy is just as bad they suppose that their guy is okay, rubbish. Wrong is wrong no matter how many others do the same wrong thing, so Obama can not get a pass even if they make a real claim that McCain does the same; that would just make them both wrong.

Of course, Obama was wrong for twenty years of his life, plus for all the years it took off our lives while making the point for his edification.

70 laZardo  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:26:47am

Perhaps this might be a good thing, but this might fade from the MSM's view as fast as the Hagee thing, seeing as how they tend to move from one "instance" of "Islamophobia" to the next so quickly.

71 Alexander  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:27:09am

re: #41 Charles

Where Parsley is wrong:

Well, no actually, that's not why America was founded. That statement does make him sound nuts.

But I agree that this issue isn't going to gain any traction.

Charles, it's a stretch, but I think it was Jefferson who owned a copy of the Koran with an inscription inside the front cover that indicated the purpose of learning its passages was so that the U.S. may better understand its enemies. This was during a time when the Barbary pirates were taking down U.S. shipments and demanding ransom (as always, the European response to this was appeasement).

It's not exactly formal policy, but if there was any recorded intent among America's founders to consider this Islamic extremist culture a threat, that would be it.

72 nikis-knight  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:27:20am

Well, let's put the vote to this, then: Do more voters fear/distrust/hate Islam, or do more fear/distrust/hate America?

73 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:27:46am

OT:

Biased headline of the day from the AP...

Iraqi official says US strike kills children

74 godfrey  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:28:07am

Sounds a bit like Fallaci. Is Parsley Italian?

75 yma o hyd  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:28:16am

From the linked article:

"Al Moheet, a regional Arabic Web site operating in Egypt, carries the story with a picture of McCain and the headline: "McCain's Spiritual Adviser Calls for the Destruction of Islam."

"If there is a McCain presidency, he will start with a serious handicap in the Arab world," said former CIA intelligence officer John Kiriakou. "And the handicap is that it is already assumed in Muslim countries that they will not get a fair shake from a McCain administration," said Kiriakou. "

Ahem. This is the American Presidential election, iirc?
Should you be worried that perhaps, maybe, some Arabs feel they don't get a 'fair shake' if McCain is elected?
Should that influence your choice?

Thought not ...

76 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:28:33am
77 Alouette  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:28:41am

re: #74 godfrey

Sounds a bit like Fallaci. Is Parsley Italian?

I have Italian Parsley growing in flowerpots on my deck.

78 zombie  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:28:43am

re: #24 Kenneth

According to the MSM this statement is offensive and hurts McCain:


-Obama booster & Hamas spokesman, Yasser Ghalban

Good catch!

(Charles, I think your anti-quote function has become too harsh. I think you should allow the citiation of a single depth of quoted text -- it was designed to prevent quotes-of-quotes-of-quotes-of-quotes, but the restriction now prevents some reasonable quotes-of-quotes.)

79 Charles  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:28:56am

re: #67 zombie

I think he's referring to the Barbary Wars, which is the first thing the independent US did as a foreign policy action -- smash Islamic pirates.

Sure, obviously, Parsley's statement is hyperbolic, but as long as he's not "damn"ing America, I don't think the public cares.

The Barbary Wars were not about "destroying a false religion," though. The motivations behind that conflict on both sides were economic; the US tried the appeasement/ransom money route for many years, until forced to take stronger action. It was definitely not any kind of religious war.

80 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:29:11am

Injured man arrested in 'nail bomb' explosion at city centre restaurant

A man who is believed to have set off an explosive device in a city centre restaurant is in police custody tonight.

The centre of Exeter was evacuated at lunchtime following a blast at the Giraffe restaurant at the Princesshay shopping centre.

Devon and Cornwall Police said a 22-year-old man had been arrested in connection with the incident.

The man was taken to the Royal Devon and Exeter Hospital and the area was sealed off by police. Officers said he suffered lacerations to his eye and some facial burning.

81 godfrey  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:29:16am

re: #76 buzzsawmonkey

Besides, the only Barbra left standing is Streisand.

82 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:29:39am
83 Pshawalaw  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:29:41am

re: #13 dolfan

The part about anti Christ might be untrue if we accept that they consider Christ to be a prophet. But, they certainly want to conquer the world, isn't it a tent of Islam that everyone is to become Muslim?

84 MandyManners  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:30:49am

re: #79 Charles

The Barbary Wars were not about "destroying a false religion," though. The motivations behind that conflict on both sides were economic; the US tried the appeasement/ransom money route for many years, until forced to take stronger action. It was definitely not any kind of religious war.

Wasn't it religious to the pirates?

85 chinesearithmetic  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:30:57am

There is a nugget of real gold the fools bring. Pandering catches up with you.

86 thedopefishlives  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:31:05am

re: #79 Charles

This is true. America never has been one for religious wars, so on the face of it, his statement is incorrect. I don't know if that makes him seem nuts or simply having a bit more of a religious bias than I do, though.

87 debutaunt  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:31:06am

re: #47 Ma Sands

OT:


Help yourself, Lizards. :)


(celebrating my 10,000th comment :)

FREE CAKE!

88 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:31:15am

Let's see how this plays out with the American public.

Obama's preacher and close spiritual adviser is on the record with diatribes against the United States, is blatantly racist against white people, and entirely unapologetic about it. (I must have missed the speech were MLKjr. said that he dreamed that only white people wouldn't judge people based on the color of their skin.)

A preacher that McCain sought out for support, on the other hand, seems to have a problem with Uncle Mo and his Fanatical Followers and paints them with an overly broad brush.

So it comes down to a vitriolic anti-America preacher v. a mildly anti-Islam preacher. Both are certainly distasteful, but I wonder (not really, I know) which one is more repulsive to the vast majority of Americans?

89 MandyManners  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:31:25am

re: #80 NJDhockeyfan

Injured man arrested in 'nail bomb' explosion at city centre restaurant

Biff Rogers sure got around.

90 Sharmuta  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:31:46am

re: #43 anotherindyfilmguy

You're right- this is beautiful! I can't wait for my lefty friends and relations bringing this horrible news to me, only for me to have a perfect opportunity to introduce them to islam. Here's hoping someone in the msm tries to fact check this Pastor's position.

91 CultureWar77  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:33:19am
Other than this comment: “America was founded with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed,” I think the guy is spot on the money myself. Or did I miss something?

I'm sure he's looking at it from a prophetic point of view, that America was pre-destined to be the one and only nation that could stand up to Islam and the evil that always follows it.

92 Charles  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:33:51am

re: #84 MandyManners

Wasn't it religious to the pirates?

Nope, pirates are in it for the booty. It was a huge extortion scheme, coupled with kidnapping for ransom and slavery.

93 godfrey  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:34:00am

America was founded by religious refugees who weren't what you call happy libertarians. They wanted to be left alone.

94 Ziggy  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:34:02am

re: #68 jcm

Nov. 6th for Democrats, pass the word.


Right. (wink)

95 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:34:06am

re: #89 MandyManners

Biff Rogers sure got around.

Biff Mohammed al-Rogers

96 Alouette  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:34:12am

re: #80 NJDhockeyfan

Injured man arrested in 'nail bomb' explosion at city centre restaurant

Another Eskimo pissed off about Global Warming.

97 markx  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:34:37am

re: #1 galloping granny

McCain has not sat in Parsley's church Sunday after Sunday for twenty years - more than 1000 Sundays.

McCain has not sent his precious children to be indoctrinated at Parsley's church.

McCain did not appoint Parsley his spiritual advisor or mentor.

There is no comparison at all.

You said it all. End of story.

98 debutaunt  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:34:48am

re: #68 jcm

Nov. 6th for Democrats, pass the word.

The ever amazing Karl Rove!

99 Honorary Yooper  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:34:56am

re: #80 NJDhockeyfan

Sounds like he had a work accident. Wonder if we'll ever hear if the guy was Middle Eastern or a muslim?

100 dolfan  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:35:04am

re: #68 jcm

We're voting on the 4th, aren't we?

101 godfrey  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:35:05am

If Freud is right, we're all in it for the booty.

102 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:35:12am
103 Ojoe  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:35:35am

re: #101 godfrey

Freud is not right

104 Sharmuta  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:35:45am

re: #101 godfrey

LOL

105 MandyManners  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:35:52am

re: #92 Charles

Nope, pirates are in it for the booty. It was a huge extortion scheme, coupled with kidnapping for ransom and slavery.

Didn't they force the captives to become Muslim, or die?

106 Honorary Yooper  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:35:58am

re: #101 godfrey

If Freud is right, we're all in it for the booty.

That deserves a rimshot.

107 MandyManners  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:36:33am

re: #101 godfrey

If Freud is right, we're all in it for the booty.

ROFLMAO!

108 Sharmuta  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:36:48am

re: #105 MandyManners

A lot of the boys, yes, but the girls were often slaves as were the remaining boys.

109 godfrey  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:36:52am

I thought the Barbary Pirates felt totally legitimized by the Koran. Even if this wasn't the explicit purpose ("Aarrrr, set sail me hearties for Allah!" etc.), that was the enabling condition. Where's my copy of ... (rummaging)

110 nikis-knight  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:36:54am

re: #33 JohnnyReb

Other than this comment: “America was founded with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed,” I think the guy is spot on the money myself. Or did I miss something?

Ever hear the expression, "I was born for this moment?" Certainly never literally true, but the same gist, I think, as what this pastor was going for.
In the same way you might say, "America was founded to destroy the Nazis" in that, if we had not, everything else we accomplished might well have been moot.
Although I think that is a bad thing to say, PR wise. Islam being destroyed is one of a number of possible beneficial outcomes, and probably not even the most beneficial, compared to "Islam being reformed" or "Islam losing all political influence"

111 zombie  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:37:26am

re: #79 Charles

The Barbary Wars were not about "destroying a false religion," though. The motivations behind that conflict on both sides were economic; the US tried the appeasement/ransom money route for many years, until forced to take stronger action. It was definitely not any kind of religious war.

True. But being briefly associated with a preacher who misinterprets a single obscure historical point is hardly a campaign-ruining issue. So, Parsley gets a C- on his history test. So what? As Kenneth pointed out above, Obama has all kinds of whackjob anti-America associates who make Parsley look like a history professor.

112 Maximu§  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:38:45am

re: #92 Charles

Nope, pirates are in it for the booty. It was a huge extortion scheme, coupled with kidnapping for ransom and slavery.

booty, kidnapping, ransom and slavery are the pillars that Islam was built on.

113 descolada9  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:39:28am

Well, based on the comments of scores of imams around the world, I'd have to say that Rev. Parsley is pretty much spot on. Just because the MSM has been schilling for the Religion of Peace (or was that bloody pieces), doesn't mean that the mainstream of America agrees with them.

114 godfrey  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:39:42am

You know, if you simply extort the money, that means you don't have to charge "interest." Hm...

115 alegrias  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:40:10am

Columbus sailed the Ocean Blue for America AFTER Spain's rulers kicked out their illegal mohammedan okkupiers in 1492.

116 godfrey  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:40:44am

Free al-Andalus!

117 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:40:57am
118 Alexander  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:41:38am

re: #109 godfrey

I thought the Barbary Pirates felt totally legitimized by the Koran. Even if this wasn't the explicit purpose ("Aarrrr, set sail me hearties for Allah!" etc.), that was the enabling condition. Where's my copy of ... (rummaging)

This would make for an interesting case study in how the West and the Middle-East view the conflict so differently. We, being more market-driven, are more likely to reduce the conflict to pragmatic motives. We tend to believe nations lose their interest in fighting as soon as there is no clear benefit for it. Perhaps we naively projected that expectation on our current adversaries.

The Middle-East, meanwhile, is more willing to ascribe a much larger, religious significance behind their violence. Is America's failure to acknowledge this dimension the reason why we underestimated Islamic resolve in Iraq? Why else would it have taken this long to escalate our attack in surge-like numbers?

119 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:41:48am
120 Charles  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:42:03am

re: #111 zombie

True. But being briefly associated with a preacher who misinterprets a single obscure historical point is hardly a campaign-ruining issue. So, Parsley gets a C- on his history test. So what? As Kenneth pointed out above, Obama has all kinds of whackjob anti-America associates who make Parsley look like a history professor.

Oh, I agree - this isn't going anywhere. I'm just being a history pedant again.

121 Sharmuta  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:42:10am

re: #105 MandyManners

Here Mandy:

Under the tutelage of first the Islamic Mamelukes of Egypt and later the Muslim Ottomans, they, together with local Arab and Berber tribes, mounted expeditions called razzias to disrupt Christian sovereigns and capture the coveted white European women for the brothels of the East.

122 laZardo  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:42:15am

re: #111 zombie

True. But being briefly associated with a preacher who misinterprets a single obscure historical point is hardly a campaign-ruining issue. So, Parsley gets a C- on his history test. So what? As Kenneth pointed out above, Obama has all kinds of whackjob anti-America associates who make Parsley look like a history professor.

You think the MSM - and by consequence, the common voter - are going to notice?

123 charles_martel  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:42:28am
“Islam is an anti-Christ religion that intends through violence to conquer the world,”

Works for me.

124 bisi  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:42:37am

charles, if you think about it long enough, in terms of islam, u just might see merit in the Rev. Parsley's statement. and as a Christian, he his on mark every step of the way. islam is satanic and a "conspiracy of evil". and was not meant t be in America. pure and simple.

I don't think he should be in the category of loose cannon preachers, he his saying the same thing we say just from a christian point of view.

I wish more preachers in America can say this much.....oh my...

125 Endangered in MASS  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:42:53am

re: #109 godfrey


"Where's my copy of ... "

Mein Jihad?

126 godfrey  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:43:28am

Influence of maqamat out of Spanish flamenco NOW!

/better?

127 Endangered in MASS  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:43:52am

re: #117 buzzsawmonkey

Booty entails two elements...

128 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:43:54am

OT question

Why do folks, within their profile page, include their personal info, such as names and the like?

oh, and BTW, if this election year were to be known as the the Year of the Loose Cannon Preachers. I believe the beneficiary of such description would be the candidate who's preacher does not hate his country and most of it's people.

129 alegrias  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:43:59am

re: #93 godfrey

America was founded by religious refugees who weren't what you call happy libertarians. They wanted to be left alone.

* * *
Spanish Conquistadors who landed with Columbus had had enough fighting mohammedans for 800 years in their homeland! Many who landed were also Catholic priests who were here to accompany the troops & evangelize, given they were newly free from their 800 year Caliphate overlords, to practice Catholicism.

130 IslandLibertarian  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:44:34am

If he would have said
“RADICAL-MILITANT-SUICIDE BOMBING-INFIDEL PRISONER BEHEADING-Islam is an anti-Christ religion that intends through violence to conquer the world,”
Would he get a pass?
I just got an e-mail from a Muslim friend I will be meeting in Indonesia next week.
I don't think she is Anti-Christ.

131 alegrias  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:45:18am

re: #97 markx

You said it all. End of story.

* * *
Actually, you left off the fact Reverend Wright was part of Obama's CAMPAIGN as a spiritual mentor.

132 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:45:23am

re: #92 Charles

Nope, pirates are in it for the booty. It was a huge extortion scheme, coupled with kidnapping for ransom and slavery.

Extortion by Muslims against non-Muslims is often excused by the Islamic demand for jizyah.

In the Philippines virtually all of the "extortion gangs" are Muslim and they only extort money from non-Muslims.

133 charles_martel  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:45:32am

Since the Koran states explicitly several times that Jesus is not divine or the Son of God, then Islam is anti-Christ by definition. That wasn't hyperbole, just a simple fact.

134 MikeAlv77  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:45:34am

re: #92 Charles

Nope, pirates are in it for the booty. It was a huge extortion scheme, coupled with kidnapping for ransom and slavery.

Not exactly. While they were in it for the booty, they thought it was their right as muslims to prey on the infidels. Kind of getting a get out of jail free card from your beliefs to perform rape, murder and theft.

135 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:45:42am
136 Charles  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:45:46am

The Barbary pirates were Muslims, and they may have forced captives to convert, but the whole point of piracy is stealing stuff. And in that case, kidnapping people as slaves and for ransom. They weren't trying to spread Islam, they were trying to make themselves richer, and they succeeded for a long time.

137 Maximu§  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:45:49am

re: #117 buzzsawmonkey

I thought it was "five pillars of Islam?" Aren't you missing one?

Oh, I forgot Extorion.......sorry.

138 thedopefishlives  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:46:00am

re: #130 IslandLibertarian

Nobody ever said the people in Islam were anti-Christ. However, the tenets of the religion are such that it is diametrically opposed to Christianity, which is the point Rev. Parsley is trying to make, and I agree with him on that point.

139 zombie  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:46:01am

Has anyone been following this story?

Obama seen reading "The Post-America World"

Obama's Building Up His Foreign Policy Assets

The marketing folks at W.W. Norton are pretty excited today, after presidential candidate (and bestselling author) Barack Obama was photographed by NY Times shutterbug Doug Mills will a copy of Fareed Zakaria's latest book, The Post-American World.

Here's the book Obama's currently reading:

The Post-American World, by Fareed Zakaria

"This is not a book about the decline of America, but rather about the rise of everyone else." So begins Fareed Zakaria's important new work on the era we are now entering. Following on the success of his best-selling The Future of Freedom, Zakaria describes with equal prescience a world in which the United States will no longer dominate the global economy, orchestrate geopolitics, or overwhelm cultures. He sees the "rise of the rest"—the growth of countries like China, India, Brazil, Russia, and many others—as the great story of our time, and one that will reshape the world. The tallest buildings, biggest dams, largest-selling movies, and most advanced cell phones are all being built outside the United States. This economic growth is producing political confidence, national pride, and potentially international problems.

You just know that Fareed eagerly looks forward to the "post-America world."

140 sparrowlake  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:46:16am
"America was founded with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed"

Bullshit.
And BTW, just what is it that makes a religion "false" - is Islam the only "false" religion or are there others?

141 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:46:26am

re: #111 zombie

True. But being briefly associated with a preacher who misinterprets a single obscure historical point is hardly a campaign-ruining issue. So, Parsley gets a C- on his history test. So what? As Kenneth pointed out above, Obama has all kinds of whackjob anti-America associates who make Parsley look like a history professor.

Most history professors nowadays are marxists who sound more like Rev. Wright.

142 godfrey  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:46:32am

re: #118 Alexander

Is America's failure to acknowledge this dimension the reason why we underestimated Islamic resolve in Iraq?

We didn't underestimate "Islamic resolve" but the time it would take to root out Baathist remnants, their sympathizers, and any Iranian proxies that joined the fray.

Why else would it have taken this long to escalate our attack in surge-like numbers?

I think the answer is: political pressure on Rumsfeld to keep the allied footprint as light as possible. Militarily, this succeded brilliantly in toppling the Baathist regime. After that initial sweep, though, it was slow going to get the mix right.

That is, I think practical considerations were the determining factors, not high-level theoretical ones.

143 Maximu§  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:46:51am

repost..
re: #117 buzzsawmonkey

I thought it was "five pillars of Islam?" Aren't you missing one?

Oh, I forgot Extortion.......sorry.

144 redheadredstate  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:47:01am

2 words-Moral Equivalence

145 LeftJustAintRight  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:47:07am

Charles,
If you do not publish history here where is the MSM going to learn it ?
School ?
LOL

146 godfrey  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:47:07am

re: #129 alegrias

Righto. I was thinking as a Norte Americano.

147 Alouette  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:47:41am

re: #117 buzzsawmonkey

I thought it was "five pillars of Islam?" Aren't you missing one?

Murder.

148 maddogg  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:47:42am

I'll say this about Reverend Parsley, If 75% of Americans knew as much about the nature and teachings of Islam as Parsley does, Obama might be a minor official in Chicago, but would never ever rise to the level of being promoted as a candidate for POTUS by a major party, just on his associations and the content of his writings.

149 Alexander  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:48:08am

As an aside, rarely does any lefty blog ever get this intellectually deep. Ah, the collective brainpower of LGF... *goose bumps*

Just lay off the intelligent design rants, and I'm a happy lizard. ;)

150 lawhawk  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:48:21am

re: #120 Charles

Oh, I agree - this isn't going anywhere. I'm just being a history pedant again.

You mean the Germans didn't bomb Pearl Harbor? /

151 Gang of One  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:48:42am

I suppose most have said it already, but the first thing that came to my mind is that Wright is absolutely wrong and Parsley is not.
Wright spews anti-American, anti-Semitic, anti-White vitriol, and he gets a pass from the usual suspects and deadbeats. Parsley voices an inconvenient truth, and the heads of the same idiotarians are exploding. This is going to be an interesting season.

152 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:49:02am
153 Charles  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:49:09am

And yeah, the ideological underpinnings of Islam played a part, definitely. But the reason behind the wars was economic -- they were stealing too much of our stuff and kidnapping too many of our people.

154 hermeneutics  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:49:13am

re: #120 Charles

This may make the history pendant smile a wee bit:

[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

155 Kenneth  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:49:38am

re: #92 Charles

Nope, pirates are in it for the booty. It was a huge extortion scheme, coupled with kidnapping for ransom and slavery.

Ah, but the pirates' desire for booty was sanctioned by the Koran while the method of piracy, and the slave trade it served, were specifically endorsed by the Koran. Read White Gold for a fascinating history of the Moroccan slave trade.

156 doppelganglander  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:49:49am

re: #88 CyanSnowHawk

I must have missed the speech were MLKjr. said that he dreamed that only white people wouldn't judge people based on the color of their skin.

In Obama's version, he can't be judged on the content of his character because of the color of his skin.

157 bisi  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:49:51am

re: #88 CyanSnowHawk

sorry i don't get sir, how how is the Rev parsley distasteful. how sad. this man is telling the truth we want and now he his distasteful.... can you please explain?

158 Sharmuta  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:49:56am

Mandy-

Read this book.

159 alegrias  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:50:02am

re: #126 godfrey

Influence of maqamat out of Spanish flamenco NOW!

/better?

* * *
Don't laugh, Washington DC now has an annual Flamenco Festival that is just MOONBAT CAIR heaven.

Obama says the mohammedan call to prayer is the most beautiful sound on earth, well, you can already hear it in Washington DC but masked as "flamenco cante hondo." They say "Allah" alot, plus
Ole! too.

160 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:50:20am
161 Alexander  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:50:44am

re: #154 hermeneutics

This may make the history pendant smile a wee bit:

[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

Bad link.... :

162 Kenneth  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:51:12am

re: #120 Charles

Oh, I agree - this isn't going anywhere. I'm just being a history pedant again.

Hey, join the party!

163 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:51:49am
164 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:52:00am

re: #138 thedopefishlives

"Nobody ever said the people in Islam were anti-Christ. However, the tenets of the religion are such that it is diametrically opposed to Christianity, which is the point Rev. Parsley is trying to make, and I agree with him on that point."


These following words encircle the inside of the Dome of the Rock Mosque in Jerusalem.

“Far be it from God that he should have a son!”

-----

They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them." –Surah 5:73

"They said, "The Most Gracious has begotten a son"! You have uttered a gross blasphemy. The heavens are about to shatter, the earth is about to tear asunder, and the mountains are about to crumble. Because they claim that the Most Gracious has begotten a son. It is not befitting the Most Gracious that He should beget a son." –Surah 19:88-92

165 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:52:19am
166 godfrey  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:52:19am

re: #155 Kenneth

Right, but Charles's point sounds right that America didn't engage decisively as some way of rolling back the Islamic tide in the Med. They just decided that enough lost shipments/money was enough.

167 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:52:34am

re: #3 JammieWearingFool

I'm sure Rehab is very objective.

"We will el-Buri you!"

168 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:52:39am

re: #121 Sharmuta

Here Mandy:
Under the tutelage of first the Islamic Mamelukes of Egypt and later the Muslim Ottomans, they, together with local Arab and Berber tribes, mounted expeditions called razzias to disrupt Christian sovereigns and capture the coveted white European women for the brothels of the East.

Islamic Mamelukes of Egypt?

I thought they didn't like dogs? Or is that Marmaduke?

169 Alexander  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:52:42am

re: #154 hermeneutics

This may make the history pendant smile a wee bit:

[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

Better link...

[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

170 chingachgook  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:52:44am

I'm not seeing how his Islam & Mohammed comments are wrong. Mo and his religion is anti-all-other-religions even to the point of a sword.
As an Atheist, muslims make my skin crawl. I don't care much for many christians but I'm glad most of 'em know what MO and Wright and Islam are all about. I'm also glad their ready to fight to protect our rights.

171 nyc redneck  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:52:51am

i think it is good that we have some spiritual leaders speaking out abt. what is going on around the world in the name of islam.
death and destruction are their best accomplishments in many areas.
now, people who are unaware of islamic jihad may be curious to take a look at it.
i see this pastor as paul revere on his midnight ride. it's not the english this time but something far worse. let's get the news out. the msm is actually helping here.

172 Iron Fist  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:53:48am

re: #140 sparrowlake,


"By their fruits you shall know them" - some Jewish day-laborer 2,000 years ago


By that standard, Islam is a pretty diabolical religion. Just because it has a lot of followers doesn't mean it is "good". Nazism had lots of followers. Only Pat Buchanan argues that it was somehow "good" because of that.

There are Mohammedans who are less vehement about their religion than the suicide bombers and their supporters, but there were milder Nazis as well. Didn't make Nazism any less virulent. Ditto Mohammedanism.

173 Gang of One  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:54:03am

re: #170 chingachgook

You are less of an atheist than you think. :-)

174 Kenneth  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:54:04am

re: #153 Charles

Yes, that was the US's reason for the war. Maybe that was an 18th century version of the same kind of denial we see today in explaining away Islamic terrorism? The hijacked RoP, unfairness of US foreign policy, root causes, desperation, etc?

175 hermeneutics  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:54:47am

I think it may be difficult, Charles, to separate theological from economic motive. Those who are deeply seeped in a religious worldview don't turn it off, suddenly, when economics come into the fore. Their faith is like a lens through which they refract ALL of life, including piracy (at the time of Jefferson) and terrorism (today).

Anyway, I'm just trying to say that their faith is not "privatized" or segmental but wholistic and determinative.

re: #153 Charles

176 Chuck Pelto  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:54:56am

TO: Charles Johnson, et al.
RE: Once More With Feeling

Once again, A[nything] B[ut] C[orrect] News misses the point...on purpose.

Wright is a racist.

Parsley is just making opinion on a competitive religion.

There IS something of a difference. And I'll wager that Wright made similar comments about religions that competed with his as well.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Where there is no religion, hypocrisy becomes good taste.]

177 alegrias  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:55:05am

re: #153 Charles

And yeah, the ideological underpinnings of Islam played a part, definitely. But the reason behind the wars was economic -- they were stealing too much of our stuff and kidnapping too many of our people.

* * *
President Jefferson didn't serve in the military (as far as I know) but he was willing to FIGHT without preconditions so we wouldn't pay tribute to terrorists!

178 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:55:28am
179 godfrey  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:55:39am

re: #159 alegrias

I'm not laughing. I know only too well that my artistic buddies are the easiest pickings for a CAIR massage. Olé is a corruption of Allah!, so they say. Doesn't matter. The influence of Sephardic Jewish music is probably just as profound, as is the continued, adapted influence of gypsy culture -- originally from Rajasthan. Plus, don't get me started on nuevo flamenco and the whole Paco/jazz angle. Flamenco is a melting pot. It would be absurd to say it derives from one thing only, or even mainly.

180 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:55:53am

re: #165 buzzsawmonkey

Could this be the source of the term "bogey" or "boogeyman?"

Serious question.

From the Wiki article:

Until it was captured by the French in 1833, Bejaïa was a stronghold of the Barbary pirates (see Barbary States).

So, it could be.

181 hermeneutics  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:56:10am

re: #169 Alexander

Ah, thank you.

182 Kenneth  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:56:30am

re: #140 sparrowlake

Bullshit.
And BTW, just what is it that makes a religion "false" - is Islam the only "false" religion or are there others?

To be sure, modern liberalism and socialism are false religions too.

183 hermeneutics  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:57:32am

"The peoples of Barbary continued to consider the pirates as holy warriors even after the Barbary rulers began to allow non-religious commitments to command their strategic use of piracy. The changes that the religious institution of piracy underwent were natural, if pathological. Just as the concept of jihad is invoked by Muslim terrorists today to legitimize suicide bombings of noncombatants for political gain, so too al-jihad fil-bahr, the holy war at sea, served as the cornerstone of the Barbary states’ interaction with Christendom."

[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

184 The Jinxmedic  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:58:16am

Charles, didn't you mean "loose canons" ? (nyuk nyuk)

185 godfrey  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:58:25am

re: #165 buzzsawmonkey

My OED is at home.

186 Sharmuta  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:58:36am

re: #155 Kenneth

Ah, but the pirates' desire for booty was sanctioned by the Koran while the method of piracy, and the slave trade it served, were specifically endorsed by the Koran. Read White Gold for a fascinating history of the Moroccan slave trade.

Yes- the pirates had koranic justifications for their actions- they also gave their koranic share of the booty to the caliph- the real winner in the islamic pyramid scheme.

187 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:58:49am

re: #180 Ward Cleaver

So, it could be.

According to Dictionary.com, "bogey" (or "bogy") is an evil spirit or hobgoblin.

188 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:59:09am
189 BuddyG  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:59:34am

re: #182 Kenneth

As is the obsessive pursuit of material wealth.

190 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:59:39am
191 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:00:22am

re: #178 taxfreekiller

question is ,

is it islam behind OPEC

second question,

Is there that much difference in the current theft of our stuff by the islamics of today via OPEC and the pirates prior?

One could make that case.

192 Chingachgook  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:01:54am

I meant to add that I wish the Pope had the balls that guys like Parsley have.

193 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:02:10am

Investigation continues...

Man injured after TWO 'nail bombs' are found in busy city centre cafe

...Special branch detectives are investigating whether the real target may have been another shop in the area, possibly one which sells products which are tested on animals.

There have been attacks on shopping centres in the West Country over the past 25 years which have been linked to animal rights extremists.

194 Charles  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:02:40am

re: #183 hermeneutics

"The peoples of Barbary continued to consider the pirates as holy warriors even after the Barbary rulers began to allow non-religious commitments to command their strategic use of piracy. The changes that the religious institution of piracy underwent were natural, if pathological. Just as the concept of jihad is invoked by Muslim terrorists today to legitimize suicide bombings of noncombatants for political gain, so too al-jihad fil-bahr, the holy war at sea, served as the cornerstone of the Barbary states’ interaction with Christendom."

[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

Good article - also note this section:

Although the piratical activities of Barbary genuinely degenerated over the centuries from pure considerations of the glory of jihad to less grandiose visions of booty and state revenues, it is important to remember that the religious foundations of the institution of piracy remained central.

195 sparrowlake  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:02:40am

re: #172 Iron Fist

,
By that standard, Islam is a pretty diabolical religion.
There are Mohammedans who are less vehement about their religion than the suicide bombers and their supporters, but there were milder Nazis as well. Didn't make Nazism any less virulent. Ditto Mohammedanism.

Is Islam "false" because it is intolerant of other religions, or because other religions are intolerant of it? Or does intolerance have nothing to do with its "falseness"?
Are there other false religions?

196 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:02:44am

re: #41 Charles

Where Parsley is wrong:

Well, no actually, that's not why America was founded. That statement does make him sound nuts.

But I agree that this issue isn't going to gain any traction.

Yeah, he's waaaay off there. America was founded so that people like him would have religious freedom, and not be forced to join the CoE. Nothing to do with islam.

197 debutaunt  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:03:50am

re: #117 buzzsawmonkey

I thought it was "five pillars of Islam?" Aren't you missing one?

Seething!

198 pat  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:03:58am

Isn't Rehab Al-Bhuri a CAIR spokesperson?

199 godfrey  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:04:38am

re: #188 buzzsawmonkey

OED says "bogey" (golf term) goes back only to 1920 thereabouts.

"Boogie" is derogatory slang for "negro" -- first usage traces back to 1923.

Good speculation, but I'm guessing it's a newer word.

200 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:05:00am

OPEC, the new Barbary pirates.

So did anyone else want to kick the TV yesterday, seeing those whores in the Senate ripping the oil company CEOs a new one, when they should have instead focused their anger on the oil ticks, who set the price of crude?

201 BuddyG  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:05:11am
202 Kenneth  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:05:53am

re: #187 Ward Cleaver

Among rural coastal villages of England and Cornwall, there is an old tradition of Bogey's Night. The superstition is that Ol' Bogey, who has a dark face a pointy beard will arrive in the dark of night, knock on peoples doors and windows and grab people and take them down to Hell.

Of course, these same villages were preyed upon by raiding Barbary pirates for centuries until the Royal Navy finally put a stop to it.

203 rcris5  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:05:56am

The "blowback" from this kind of MSM attack could be a positive for Johnnie M. My guess is that most liberty loving Americans will at some level, quietly agree with the plain speaking (nutty) pastor. That kind of silent agreement probably cuts through the Dem vs Repub political spectrum.

When the curtain is pulled and the voter is at the moment of voting commitment, this may contribute to a vote for national security over appeasement and defeat.

204 WriterMom  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:06:23am
205 alegrias  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:06:28am

re: #192 Chingachgook

I meant to add that I wish the Pope had the balls that guys like Parsley have.

* * *
You must have been asleep during the Pope's Regensburg Lecture!

Pope Benedict merely quoted a 15th or 16th Century Pope's accurate description of "conversion by the sword", and the usual suspects went ballistic & splodey.

206 Honorary Yooper  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:06:59am

Speaking of Obama...

US Attorney Patrick Fizgerald will be announcing charges against 15 people in Chicago in conenction with taking bribes in the city's building and zoning departments at 2pm CDT.

New round of corruption charges hits Chicago

Developers and contractors will be among those charged with paying and receiving bribes in connection with city building, zoning and construction permits. Some of the bribes were allegedly paid to expedite permits in a process that has been criticized, over the years, as slow.

207 wolfie  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:07:02am

re: #165 buzzsawmonkey

Could this be the source of the term "bogey" or "boogeyman?"

Serious question.

According to Skeat"s etymological dictionary
BOGEY, BOOGEYMAN.....Scandinavian origin, but derivation uncertain; perhaps related to the word for north
BUGGER.....(nose)...comes from Old English & is related to the word bug

Skeat doesn't have this, but I do know that the word BUGGER (sodomite) comes from Bulgar (as in Bulgaria)......from one of the medieval gnostic sects that probably entered W Eur from .....you guessed it!......Bulgaria!

208 jaunte  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:07:11am

ABC might want to balance the report with the view of an Islamic religious authority, Sheik Tantawi of Al Azhar, whose statement is also worth considering by Obama's foreign policy team:


"I think that whoever refuses to meet the enemy in order to slap him on the face is a coward, as long as the meeting in question serves Islam."


[Link: www.memri.org...]

209 lawhawk  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:08:02am

re: #206 Honorary Yooper

We might get a Fitzmas after all! /just not the one the Left was looking for.

210 Gang of One  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:08:06am

re: #195 sparrowlake

If you adhere to the definition of 'religion' as a system for seeking an understanding of the divine, then, yes, Islam is false, for it makes no attempt to seek out or discover the divine. It only seems to have a vague idea about a one-and-only supreme being, and the absolute submission to it -- imposed not by this one being's will or truth, but by the fiat of imperfect men, the Imams.

211 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:08:22am

re: #206 Honorary Yooper

Speaking of Obama...

US Attorney Patrick Fizgerald will be announcing charges against 15 people in Chicago in conenction with taking bribes in the city's building and zoning departments at 2pm CDT.

You would think they'd have special courts there just to handle corruption and graft cases, since it's so endemic.

212 Kenneth  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:09:10am

re: #188 buzzsawmonkey

I read about the Bogey's Night tradition in a Jeeves & Wooster story by PD Wodehouse, of all places. Your instinct is bang on, old boy! What ho!

213 alegrias  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:09:30am

re: #200 Ward Cleaver

* * *
Senator Feinstein made $75 million last year and sits there hypocritically whining about oil people's profits.

WMAL-630 am radio said the average oil guy's salary is $100,000, which is less than congressional representatives or millionaire senators make!

214 Russkilitlover  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:09:40am

re: #200 Ward Cleaver

OPEC, the new Barbary pirates.

So did anyone else want to kick the TV yesterday, seeing those whores in the Senate ripping the oil company CEOs a new one, when they should have instead focused their anger on the oil ticks, who set the price of crude? efforts on domestic oil exploration/extraction.

Fixed.

215 WriterMom  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:09:44am

re: #188 buzzsawmonkey

Barbary pirates also had a field day milking jizya out of America.

216 nikis-knight  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:09:48am

re: #195 sparrowlake

Is Islam "false" because it is intolerant of other religions, or because other religions are intolerant of it? Or does intolerance have nothing to do with its "falseness"?
Are there other false religions?

Duh. Look at all religions, seperate them into categories of incompatible truths, accounting for mere differences of interpretation. All but one of those is false. If you belong to one of those, all the others are false. How is this contraversial or somehow bad? Most or maybe all religions are false. Is is wrong to say this in our multi-cultural age? I don't have a problem with a jew saying Christianity is a false religon; I'd simply think him wrong and ignorant in the matter. (Although I wouldn't say Judaism is wrong, Christianity and Judaism are a special case.)

Islam is also false on a deeper level level, though, in that it denies fundamental truths, basic human values rather than mere theology. In this sense, not all religions are incompatible, but Islam very much is, until it reforms out the agression, hate, oppression, etc.

217 wolfie  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:09:56am

re: #188 buzzsawmonkey

Super-trivia!

The word BUGIA ( wax candle) in Spanish actually does come from Bougie, a source of wax for the Spanish market.

218 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:10:14am

re: #212 Kenneth

I read about the Bogey's Night tradition in a Jeeves & Wooster story by PD Wodehouse, of all places. Your instinct is bang on, old boy! What ho!

You're making me think of Stephen Fry and Hugh Laurie now.

/jeeves & wooster

219 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:10:48am

re: #204 WriterMom

OT: Obama's Potential Negotiating Partner to Hold Nuanced Conference on "Israel's End".
NUANCE

Is Pat Buchannan going? Wright? Are any of Obama's advisors attending, without preconditions?

220 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:11:03am

re: #213 alegrias

* * *
Senator Feinstein made $75 million last year and sits there hypocritically whining about oil people's profits.

WMAL-630 am radio said the average oil guy's salary is $100,000, which is less than congressional representatives or millionaire senators make!

I wanted to puke, seeing Turban Durbin frothing at the mouth.

221 Honorary Yooper  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:11:13am

re: #209 lawhawk

We might get a Fitzmas after all! /just not the one the Left was looking for.

I have a funny suspicion that Fitzgerald was given the Plame case as way of trying to piss off Bush enough to get rid of him. He had already prosceuted George Ryan, and was cornering Rich Daley at the time.

222 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:11:42am
223 Honorary Yooper  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:12:03am

re: #211 Ward Cleaver

You would think they'd have special courts there just to handle corruption and graft cases, since it's so endemic.

Why do you think there are more FBI agents in Chicago than anywhere else in the US?

224 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:12:07am
225 Kenneth  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:12:09am

re: #204 WriterMom

Still, we shouldn't be afraid to talk to them. I hope Israel is sending a delegation!

226 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:12:33am

re: #140 sparrowlake

Bullshit.
And BTW, just what is it that makes a religion "false" - is Islam the only "false" religion or are there others?

There are enough aspects of Islam to take it out of the category of being a religion and consider it to be a social/political system, albeit wrapped in a thin veneer of religion. In terms of Islam's acceptance of expansion by violent means, unlike any other widely practiced religion that I can think of, I believe you can call it a false religion. It has more of the aspects of a cult.

227 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:12:36am

re: #219 Kosh's Shadow

Is Pat Buchannan going? Wright? Are any of Obama's advisors attending, without preconditions?

He's sharing a hotel room with Filip DeWinter, Don Black, and Baron Bodissey.

/ouch

228 nadadhimmi  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:12:36am

ABC should be careful if they think that his preacher being against Islam will hurt McCain. Outside of Manhattan and LA, cocktail parties, most Americans are very concerned about Islam, fear it and don't understand the barbarism contained within it. This will boost McCain and the msm morons don't realize it. My God, how I despise the msm.

229 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:13:07am

re: #223 Honorary Yooper

Why do you think there are more FBI agents in Chicago than anywhere else in the US?

"It's Eliot Ness!"

/lee, rico!

230 Chingachgook  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:13:22am

re: #205 alegrias

I'm aware he almost grew a pair but he later joined in a suckfest with them and tried a "I was misquoted" song and dance.

I would love to tell you what I would have done as Pope but I don't like cults either.

231 RepJ  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:13:23am

There's something wrong with what he said?

232 alegrias  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:13:34am

re: #220 Ward Cleaver

I wanted to puke, seeing Turban Durbin frothing at the mouth.

* * *
At least Chicago ILlinois Richard Durbin wasn't attacking our wonderful liberating troops as Schicklgrubers for a change!

233 marsouin  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:13:49am

Sounds to me McCain's pastor and Obama's pastor share the same bible college. I wonder which pastor will the press slam and which will get a free pass?

234 Maximu§  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:13:53am

John Bolton is on Dennis prager right now....870 am

235 realwest  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:13:59am

re: #47 Ma Sands Hey {Ma} congratulations on your 10K and I'll just take a teeny piece of that cake, as I'm off to eat lunch now!

236 NYexpat  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:14:00am

re: #153 Charles

And yeah, the ideological underpinnings of Islam played a part, definitely. But the reason behind the wars was economic -- they were stealing too much of our stuff and kidnapping too many of our people.

This was always my understanding of it, that basically when Jefferson found out how large the payoffs to the calephs were getting (from Europe, oddly enough), he was infuriated. The fact that Americans were being sold into slavery didn't help. Either way, Islam was a virtual non-factor in the founding of the country.

237 WriterMom  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:14:25am

re: #225 Kenneth

Whoo hoo.

What a pair.

/snicker

238 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:15:23am

re: #225 Kenneth

Still, we shouldn't be afraid to talk to them. I hope Israel is sending a delegation!

A flyby, leaving them a little welcoming gift!

239 debutaunt  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:15:25am

re: #150 lawhawk

You mean the Germans didn't bomb Pearl Harbor? /

FDR - A day that will live in Germany.

240 realwest  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:15:42am

re: #47 Ma Sands Hey {Ma} congratulations on your 10K and I'll just take a teeny piece of that cake, as I'm off to eat lunch now!

241 WriterMom  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:15:52am

re: #234 Maximu§

AWESOME.

242 Honorary Yooper  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:16:18am

re: #232 alegrias

At least Chicago ILlinois Richard Durbin wasn't attacking our wonderful liberating troops as Schicklgrubers for a change!

Durbin the Turban is from downstate East St Louis. Still, it'd be nice to slap the Dems with a cluebat over the high oil prices.

/It's the prohibitions on drilling, stupid!

243 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:16:59am

Update:Man injured after TWO 'nail bombs' are found in busy city centre restaurant

A city centre was evacuated today after two bombs were found - at least one of which exploded - at a busy lunchtime cafe.

A man, who is believed to have set off the explosive device, was injured and has been taken into custody. At least one of the devices was believed to be a nail bomb.

The Chief Constable of Devon and Cornwall, Stephen Otter, said tonight: "We can now confirm there were two explosive devices found at the scene."


No mention of the religion or ethnicity of the suspect yet.

244 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:17:32am

re: #234 Maximu§

John Bolton is on Dennis prager right now....870 am

He was on with Hugh Hewitt the other day, pitching his excellent new book.

John Bolton for SecState - that'll make Voinovich cry like a baby.

/waaaaaaaah!

245 hume  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:17:47am

Rehab El-Buri is a muslim fundamentalist, quite open about her fanaticism, and ABC has hired her to cover all things muslim (and extremist).
Now she's expanding her repertoire into character assasination.
Troops out of Iraq and into ABC headquarters NOW!

246 Kenneth  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:17:59am

re: #218 Ward Cleaver

One of their episodes from the TV series includes the Ol' Bogey's Night superstition, with Bertie running around in black face.

247 Son Of The Godfather  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:18:16am

"Damning" America and "damning" Islam are quite different things...

...for now.

248 alegrias  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:18:16am

re: #230 Chingachgook

I'm aware he almost grew a pair but he later joined in a suckfest with them and tried a "I was misquoted" song and dance.

I would love to tell you what I would have done as Pope but I don't like cults either.

* * *
I disagree with your implied classification of the Pope's church as a cult, because Popes traditionally have been at the forefront of the fight against totalitarian radical mohammedanism all over Europe, going back more than a thousand years.

Catholics are allies in this struggle we face and we need friends in our big fox hole.

249 hermeneutics  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:18:17am

re: #194 Charles

I think we're agreeing, Charles, that motives for this historical event were both religious and secular, in some combination.

After reading the comments on LGF for many years, I've come to he conclusion that the content of faith is much more important than the mere existence of faith. Salience, to a Lutheran, for example, hasw quite a different social or political impact than that of a highly salient Muslim.

Now, when I look at the "faithful" I look at what that faith would be if carried to its logical extreme. What does a salient Episcopalian do/think? What does a salient Bible church member do/think? What does a committed Roman Catholic do/think?

And, of course, what does a passionate believer in Islam do/think?

250 wolfie  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:18:21am

re: #233 marsouin

Sounds to me McCain's pastor and Obama's pastor share the same bible college. I wonder which pastor will the press slam and which will get a free pass?

I see no similarity whatsoever between what the two men are preaching. None.

Perhaps you could say that they both are inclined toward rhetoric excess.
Past that, no comparison.

251 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:18:27am
252 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:18:49am

re: #155 Kenneth

Ah, but the pirates' desire for booty was sanctioned by the Koran while the method of piracy, and the slave trade it served, were specifically endorsed by the Koran. Read White Gold for a fascinating history of the Moroccan slave trade.

Perhaps the Western world should demand reparations from the Islamic world. How about free oil?

253 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:20:04am

re: #246 Kenneth

One of their episodes from the TV series includes the Ol' Bogey's Night superstition, with Bertie running around in black face.

He played the most excellent Bertie Wooster. Upper-crust and foppish. And Stephen Fry as Jeeves? Rock-solid, trustworthy, and discreet.

254 coquimbojoe  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:20:12am

re: #200 Ward Cleaver

OPEC, the new Barbary pirates.

So did anyone else want to kick the TV yesterday, seeing those whores in the Senate ripping the oil company CEOs a new one, when they should have instead focused their anger on the oil ticks, who set the price of crude?

You mean the attention whores we call senators? I heard it, but i coudln't get me foot off the gas pedal long enough to kick in my radio.....

255 Chingachgook  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:20:45am

wow....big Colorado tornado kicking some earth butt.

256 WriterMom  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:20:52am

If anyone wants to read a very impressive history of American involvement in the Middle East that actually starts with a comprensive summary of the Barbary wars, read Michael Oren's latest.

257 Former SSG  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:21:11am

re: #117 buzzsawmonkey

Misogyny.

258 realwest  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:21:34am

re: #206 Honorary Yooper Well, speaking of Obama:

Officials say Obama starts search for running mate
WASHINGTON - Likely Democratic nominee Barack Obama has begun a top-secret search for a running mate, fresh signs that the general election campaign is well under way and the primary race against Hillary Rodham Clinton is basically over.

Obama has asked former Fannie Mae CEO Jim Johnson to begin vetting potential vice presidential picks, Democratic officials said Thursday. Johnson did the same job for Democratic nominees John Kerry in 2004 and Walter Mondale in 1984.

Obama refused to acknowledge Johnson's role when The Associated Press asked the Illinois senator about it in the Captiol Thursday.

"I haven't hired him. He's not on retainer. I'm not paying him any money. He is a friend of mine. I know him," Obama said. "I am not commenting on vice presidential matters because I have not won this nomination."

[Link: enews.earthlink.net...]
Later my friends, lunch is calling!

259 littleO  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:22:24am

McCain should just say nothing because, as Nadadhimmi just stated, it probably won't hurt him much.
If he does reply, he should say that in the capitalist system people sometimes overstate themselves in an effort to sell their position.

260 debutaunt  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:23:55am

re: #200 Ward Cleaver

OPEC, the new Barbary pirates.

So did anyone else want to kick the TV yesterday, seeing those whores in the Senate ripping the oil company CEOs a new one, when they should have instead focused their anger on the oil ticks, who set the price of crude [and the people in this country who stopped the oil drilling and refining]?

261 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:24:33am

re: #157 bisi

sorry i don't get sir, how how is the Rev parsley distasteful. how sad. this man is telling the truth we want and now he his distasteful.... can you please explain?

I am going to consider this carefully and take some time to write it out, so forgive me please if the reply is a couple hundred comments down from your response.

“Islam is an anti-Christ religion that intends through violence to conquer the world,” - Rev. Parsley
I completely believe that the Islamists, a not insignificant minority of Muslims, want to do this. I find the painting of an entire religion with the broad brush of extremism to be distasteful, much as I find blaming America for all the problems faced by blacks to be distasteful.

“America was founded with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed,” - Rev. Parsley
This is false and I find it distasteful that this preacher is propagating such revisionist history.

His call to arms can be considered correct, but we must remember that the enemy is not every Muslim, and to consider them all so, would be to suggest that the slaughter of nearly 20% of the World population is the solution. No matter what the Lefties would have us believe, that is not our desired outcome.

Do you now see what I find distasteful regarding Rev Parsley's comments, or, in consideration of your remarks in comment #124, are you an extremist that believes the complete eradication of Islam is required?

262 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:24:33am

re: #177 alegrias

* * *
President Jefferson didn't serve in the military (as far as I know) but he was willing to FIGHT without preconditions so we wouldn't pay tribute to terrorists!

Jefferson might not have served in the military, but he sure was willing to stick his neck in a British noose for the American cause.

263 Maine's Michael  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:25:01am
McCain Pastor: Islam Is a ‘Conspiracy of Spiritual Evil’.

And they think this will hurt McCain?

Yippeekaiyai!

264 funky chicken  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:26:10am

re: #1 galloping granny

McCain has not sat in Parsley's church Sunday after Sunday for twenty years - more than 1000 Sundays.

McCain has not sent his precious children to be indoctrinated at Parsley's church.

McCain did not appoint Parsley his spiritual advisor or mentor.

There is no comparison at all.

There ya go. Trust a granny to get it right away.

265 vagabond trader  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:29:37am

This is all the Obama has to whine about? Good, since his surrogates are bringing it up, guess old Daddy J can be spoken of again. btw, anyone else suspicious as to why ole rev Wright became so quiet, so quickly?

266 funky chicken  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:31:06am

re: #263 Maine's Michael

And they think this will hurt McCain?

Yippeekaiyai!

LOL, well, I think they might. They also think this will hurt him:

McCain Dismissed Concerns on Mortgage Crisis and Economy. While campaigning in Florida, McCain dismissed concerns about the economy. “Even if the economy is the, quote, No. 1 issue, the real issue will remain America’s security,” McCain said. “And if they choose to say, ‘Look, I do not need this guy because he’s not as good on home loan mortgages or whatever it is, I understand about that, I will accept that verdict. I am running because of the transcendental challenge of the 21st century, which is radical Islamic extremism.” (The New York Times, 1/28/08)

[Link: www.aflcio.com...]

The AFL CIO put a lot of work into a large online pubication just filled with horrifying examples of McCain's "right wing extremism."

267 Chingachgook  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:31:24am

re: #248 alegrias


I agree with what you said except the definition thing. I look at all Christian religions as spin-offs (new or subclassification) of judaism.

268 wolfie  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:36:23am

re: #251 buzzsawmonkey

The OED is pretty weak on derivatives from non-Indo-European languages. Even the Oxford Dictionary of English Etymology often takes word origins back only to the Greek! (A case in point, I just looked up abracadabra. They do say it's a cabalistic term, but give the Greek as the earliest form. Kinda dumb, IMO.)
Skeat's etymol. dict. is much better, but not nearly as comprehensive and a little out-of-date.

269 hooligan  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:37:01am

I didn't realize that Parsley had backed McCain.

He'll deliver some votes in Ohio for sure.

Parsley is a full-throttle Charismatic with a few loony opinions but his bread and butter is being pro-American----watch his broadcast sometime. The press and the Dems DO NOT want to pursue this.

270 funky chicken  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:37:37am

anybody speak Spanish? We have lovely videos of BHO's "mainstream" friend of the past 13 years chatting all about the glories of the revolution with a Bolivian supporter of Morales (or Morales without the sweater?) and his adopted son Chesa Boudin.

love the Che poster in the background

271 Alberta Oil Peon  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:38:04am

re: #39 Honorary Yooper

No, no you didn't. That's the only comment that I could see that is a bit inaccurate.

Would that not be an oblique reference to the use of the U.S. Navy to subdue the Barbary pirates?

While I don't believe that suppression of Islam was a founding principle for the USA, it is true that very early in its history, the nation was involved in a war against Muslim powers.

272 Kenneth  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:38:42am

re: #253 Ward Cleaver

This one's for you... Minnie the Moocher!

I love the series!

273 GGMac  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:39:01am

"In 1786, Thomas Jefferson, then the ambassador to France, and John Adams, then the ambassador to Britain, met in London with Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja, the ambassador to Britain from Tripoli. The Americans asked Adja why his government was hostile to American ships, even though there had been no provocation. The ambassador's response was reported to the Continental Congress:

'It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy's ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once.'"

To Charles' #79, I would suggest the economic gain for the muslims, including slaves intended for whoredom was indeed an incentive, but the motivation was indeed to carry out the instructions of, and devote service to their moonrock god. It all goes back to their motivation. The booty was gravy and bragging rights.

IMHO
:)

274 Ma Sands  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:41:22am

Thank you, Honorary Yooper, Sarge1984, yma o hyd, jcm, nyc redneck, redheadredstate, wolfie, debutaunt, GGMac, and realwest! I am much edified.......hope there was enough cake for all..... :)

And happy first-day-of-your-two-day birthday, jcm. :)

275 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:42:13am

Speculation from the Chicago Slum Times...

...those aspiring to replace U.S. Sen. Barack Obama -- should he win the presidency -- are in for a shocker. To wit: U.S. Rep Jan Schakowsky and others might be surprised to hear Gov. Blagojevich, who would pick Obama's replacement, is eyeing Illinois Tammy Duckworth.


[Link: www.suntimes.com...]

276 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:42:55am
277 captainzot  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:44:58am

re: #92 Charles

That is interesting, because booty often gives me something that sounds like a "huge extortion".

278 auldtrafford  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:44:58am

re: #273 GGMac

I agree; it wasn't necessarily a war over the establishment of religion - here or there, but it was a war which probably would not have been fought if one side's religion - not just economy - (come on, guess ...) did not deem it's side as morally "righteous".

On a broader note, perhaps my decision not to vote for Johnny was a bit hasty ...

279 OldLineTexan  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:46:47am

re: #222 buzzsawmonkey

Try the Wiki link (I know, I know):

Bogeyman

The link made to OE "Bogge" is pretty strong, IMO.

In part:


Origin of the word
The word bogey is most likely derived from the Middle English bogge/bugge[2] (also the origin of the word bug). The words are linked to many similar words in other European languages, which may be cognates; bögge, böggel-mann (English "Bogeyman") (German), Buse (Nynorsk), bòcan, púca, pooka or pookha (Irish Gaelic), pwca, bwga or bwgan (Welsh), puki (Old Norse), pixie or piskie (Cornish), puck (English), bogu (Slavonic)[3].


Other purported origins
In Southeast Asia the term is commonly accepted to refer to Bugis [4] or Buganese [5] pirates, ruthless seafarers of southern Sulawesi, Indonesia's third largest island. These pirates often plagued early English or Dutch trading ships, namely those of the British East India Company or Dutch East India Company. It is popularly believed that this resulted in the European sailors bringing their fear of the "bugi men" back to their home countries. However, etymologists disagree with this because words relating to bogeyman have been commonly used centuries before European colonisation of Southeast Asia and it is therefore unlikely that the Bugis would have been commonly known to westerners during that time.

280 GGMac  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:48:32am

Re my #273

Just seems logical to me that the Barbary wars were religiously motivated my the islamist pirates, and that Thomas Jefferson was very likely of the opinion that our young country was in a religious war - whether or not that possibility/liklihood was formally discussed and/or acknowledged by our government (rather like politicians now, concerning the present world0wide islamist-provoked "altercations"/"incidents"). Jefferson didn't have that Koran to soothe his soul - he had it to be able to "know thine enemy".

281 sparrowlake  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:48:36am

re: #216 nikis-knight

I don't have a problem with a jew saying Christianity is a false religon; I'd simply think him wrong and ignorant in the matter.

Yes, these days it seems that Christians and Jews can finally disagree while still coexisting peacefully. The same cannot be said of Islam, by virtue of its express teachings of violence, intolerance and disrespect towards all non-Muslims, together with a basic imperial directive to expand and conquer its neighbours.

282 Sharmuta  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:49:01am

re: #262 Son of the Black Dog

Jefferson might not have served in the military, but he sure was willing to stick his neck in a British noose for the American cause.

Well said.

283 godfrey  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:49:32am

re: #251 buzzsawmonkey

No problem with being skeptical, even of OED. All samples are limited.

284 wolfie  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:49:33am

re: #270 funky chicken

anybody speak Spanish? We have lovely videos of BHO's "mainstream" friend of the past 13 years chatting all about the glories of the revolution with a Bolivian supporter of Morales (or Morales without the sweater?) and his adopted son Chesa Boudin.

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

love the Che poster in the background

Great link! Thank you.

Oh, not Bolivian but Bolivarian.....a Communist/Chavez institute in Venezuela.
Nevertheless, this is a most interesting video. Senor Obama has some 'splanin' to do. Ayers's talking points here and Obama's....no difference.

Think the MSM will pick this up?

BTW, McCain is strong on Latin American policy. I have relatives in Bolivia who are praying that he will be elected and are scared to death of Obama.
Morales is a POS.

285 Iron Fist  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:50:11am

re: #140 sparrowlake,


"By their fruits you shall know them" - some Jewish day-laborer 2,000 years ago


By that standard, Islam is a pretty diabolical religion. Just because it has a lot of followers doesn't mean it is "good". Nazism had lots of followers. Only Pat Buchanan argues that it was somehow "good" because of that.

There are Mohammedans who are less vehement about their religion than the suicide bombers and their supporters, but there were milder Nazis as well. Didn't make Nazism any less virulent. Ditto Mohammedanism.

286 GGMac  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:50:12am

re: #274 Ma Sands

Thank you, Honorary Yooper, Sarge1984, yma o hyd, jcm, nyc redneck, redheadredstate, wolfie, debutaunt, GGMac, and realwest! I am much edified.......hope there was enough cake for all..... :)

And happy first-day-of-your-two-day birthday, jcm. :)


I ate three pieces - and there was still a nearly-complete cake there! How did you do that Ms Sands?

287 Alberta Oil Peon  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:51:42am

re: #92 Charles

Nope, pirates are in it for the booty. It was a huge extortion scheme, coupled with kidnapping for ransom and slavery.

But that is exactly what Mohammed himself did. He raided caravans, and kidnapped, and extorted. And he was the perfect man that all Muslims are supposed to emulate.

Damn convenient when religious obligation dovetails so nicely with self-interest, ain't it?

Now, from the American standpoint, the Barbary Wars were indeed an economic issue. But to the pirates, the upstart young nation of infidels was suppressing their religious expression.

288 AuldTrafford  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:52:39am

re: #287 Alberta Oil Peon

I think that nails it.

289 godfrey  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:54:58am

Check this out:

The Giaour [a narrative poem by Lord Byron] proved to be very popular with several editions published in the first year. By 1815, 14 editions had been published when it was included in his first collected edition. Its runaway success led Byron to publish three more "Turkish stories" in the next couple of years: The Bride of Abydos in 1813, The Corsair in 1814 and Lara. Each of these poems proved to be very popular with The Corsair selling 10,000 copies in its first day of publication.

Wot's it about, then?

The origin of the story came during Byron's Grand Tour during 1809 and 1810 which he undertook with his friend John Cam Hobhouse. While in Athens, he became aware of the Turkish custom of throwing a woman found guilty of adultery in the sea wrapped in a sack. A giaour (Turkish: Gavur) is the Turkish word for infidel or nonbeliever and is similar to the Arabic word kafir.

Wait. Maybe you've heard this one before...

290 Ma Sands  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:56:42am

re: #286 GGMac

Hmmm...it wasn't me......musta been my guardian angel..... :)

291 slokat  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:57:38am

BoogeyMan has roots older than the Barbary Pirates

It is popularly believed that this resulted in the European sailors bringing their fear of the "bugi men" back to their home countries. However, etymologists disagree with this because words relating to bogeyman have been commonly used centuries before European colonisation of Southeast Asia and it is therefore unlikely that the Bugis would have been commonly known to westerners during that time.

292 Ma Sands  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:58:00am

re: #288 AuldTrafford

Careful that word "nails" there......figures heavily, a couple threads up.....


/

293 docremulac  Thu, May 22, 2008 11:58:27am

Boy is this gonna backfire.

Expecting America to gasp in shock at somebody thinking islam is evil.

Progressives are really stupid. They're gonna end up waving the koran around to try to get American votes.

I'll say it again: progressives are really stupid.

294 slokat  Thu, May 22, 2008 12:03:22pm

re: #291 slokat

Looks Like I was beat to the punch by OLT! in #279

295 funky chicken  Thu, May 22, 2008 12:03:23pm

re: #284 wolfie

No, but I'm sure the Cuban refugees in Miami would be quite interested to see it. I'd love to hear some of them ask Obama questions as well.

296 Kirly  Thu, May 22, 2008 12:11:31pm
This will be known as the Election Year of the Loose Cannon Preachers.

"...an evangelical minister who describes Islam as “anti-Christ” and Mohammed as “the mouthpiece of a conspiracy of spiritual evil.”

well, islam is anti christian. just read it's scriptures. and muhamed did mouth a lot of evil.

i don't particularly like rod parsley but if that's what he said i don't see the controversy. truth hurts?

297 lostlakehiker  Thu, May 22, 2008 12:22:58pm
“Islam is an anti-Christ religion that intends through violence to conquer the world,” Parsley says


Shall we ask some leading Imams for a ruling on this? True or false?

Any guesses what they'll answer?

Something along the lines of well, not exactly. First we'll give the unbelievers a chance to surrender convert. But if they are obstinate, then it's just a question of timing. Do we, the Muslims, have the right force ratio to proceed to violence, or is a ten year truce well advised?

There are Muslims who believe that a long string of ten year truces is well advised. This would include all the moderates, and all the realists. But at its theological core, is it permissible in a believer to hold that an indefinite string of ten year truces is acceptable? Or must things eventually come to a head?

298 Sharmuta  Thu, May 22, 2008 12:25:14pm

re: #227 Ward Cleaver

LOL!

299 kansas  Thu, May 22, 2008 12:35:50pm

Sen. John McCain recruited the support of an evangelical minister who describes Islam as “anti-Christ” and Mohammed as “the mouthpiece of a conspiracy of spiritual evil.”

Is that not a factually correct statement?

300 Know Your Enemy  Thu, May 22, 2008 12:42:40pm

Parsnip's comments have the added benefit of being true.

301 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 22, 2008 12:49:00pm
302 Roger  Thu, May 22, 2008 12:55:41pm
“America was founded with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed, --Parsley”

has a number of implicits in it. It only is clear to those familiar with certain Biblical passages.

The main implicit is "founded [by G-d] with" changes the role of the founding fathers from actually thinking it all out.

Now America will not accomplish all it was intendedto accomplish; I thought it would at least push islam back into dormancy but instead... I believe America's role was to make the world a better place for its people and folks around the world but is fallible nation and the times they are a-changin'.

303 Roger  Thu, May 22, 2008 12:56:47pm

is still a fallible

304 psaturn  Thu, May 22, 2008 1:23:27pm

Charles:

Where Parsley is wrong:

America was founded with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed...

Well, no actually, that's not why America was founded. That statement does make him sound nuts.

I can see why that phrase could be considered controversial and probably is not really accurate if Parsley was referring to Islam. It is not America's job to destroy Islam.

And it is not accurate for other religions either. America was founded with the principle of freedom of religion, practicing according to what your conscience dictates, whether it is Catholic, Jewish, Christians or others.

305 psaturn  Thu, May 22, 2008 1:24:16pm

re: #302 Roger

I agree Roger...

306 anotherindyfilmguy  Thu, May 22, 2008 1:43:51pm

re: #172 Iron Fist

Hammer + nail + head in one concise stroke.

307 misterspork  Thu, May 22, 2008 1:50:11pm

What happened to "The Straight Talk Express"? (yeah, right) Speaking the truth about Islam is forbidden don't cha know.

308 nyc redneck  Thu, May 22, 2008 2:27:07pm

re: #274 Ma Sands

you're so welcome, {ma sands} :D
good work and i'm looking forward to the next 10,000

309 Cowardkerry  Thu, May 22, 2008 2:44:24pm

Whats wrong with what parsley said? Just shows the true colors of the radical muslim loving mainstream media.

310 eaglewingz08  Thu, May 22, 2008 2:48:45pm

Still waiting for a libnut to show how any of the statements in the article that are attributed to Rev Parsley is wrong. And even more on the irony front, we have the nail bombs (a favorite method of Hizbollunatics and Hamass and PA terrorists) exploding in an Exeter, British restaurant at lunch time. Sounds like anti Christ satanic activity to me, and the bomb wasn't set off by a Sweedish grandmother, or a Buddist monk, it was set off by a muslim convert. Fancy the coincidence.

311 muman  Thu, May 22, 2008 2:56:59pm

What is so incredible is that this guy is speaking 100% absulute truth. Islam IS an evil religion bent on global domination. Islam is a religion which is anti-Christian and especially anti-Jewish. What is wrong with speaking the truth? It is sad that we have to play word games like this. The hypocrisy and double standards are absolutely sickening.

Stop playing this deadly game. This is exactly what the terrorists want to happen to us. We must prevent these blood thirsty barbarians from destroying our great country. I will never bow to false religions like Islam, I will speak truth and smash their false idols. Islam is evil, it has killed my brother, and I will do everything a mortal can to destroy the evil cult of Islam. Read the Koran, it is their crappy holy book, it preaches hate and violence. It is not like the Bible, our holy Torah, because Torah does not command that we kill infidels or wage holy war. things this Koran does.

I am sorry that McCain fell into this trap. I sure hope that McCain is aware who is responsible for most terrorism in the world. Just today a muslim convert was attempting to blow up a family restaurant. Sure he was insane, aren't all followers of Islam suffering severe mental distrubances?

312 muman  Thu, May 22, 2008 3:00:46pm

Well, we have to deal with a lot of false religions today. I just chalk it up to the person being naive or ignorant.

313 muman  Thu, May 22, 2008 3:03:22pm

AbraCadabra is a form of Hebrew which means "I do what I speak"

Avera is to do
Dabera is to speak

This is well know.

314 herbc4  Thu, May 22, 2008 3:46:44pm

Going to church as a youngster many years ago, the ministers always said that Islam was an evil religion.

315 J.S.  Thu, May 22, 2008 3:50:53pm

re: #222 buzzsawmonkey

Another problem (as also mentioned elsewhere) is that the OED relies solely on that which has been published (a term could be used orally -- if never found in print -- or in the "right" publications -- the term won't make it into the OED). Also, the OED only uses a finite number of publications (and a new entrant word needs to be found X number of times -- there's a formula that's used.)

Interestingly, though -- in the OED for the entry "bogy, bogey" -- there's an 1857 reference "Malay pirates...those bogies of the Archipelago."

316 KSK  Thu, May 22, 2008 3:59:13pm

Who will rid us of those meddlesome priests?

317 psaturn  Thu, May 22, 2008 4:04:03pm

re: #309 Cowardkerry

Whats wrong with what parsley said? Just shows the true colors of the radical muslim loving mainstream media.

Coward Kerry,

Just wanted to let you know I was one of the official usher when Pastor Rod Parsley came to town and preached. It is not that easy to be an "official" usher for him....you have to be called and be chosen.

Now we got out that of the way, you probably noticed most folks here agreed with what Parsley said.

What Charles was concerned was primarily the claim that Parsley seem to have made that America was founded on the basis that that this false religion be destroyed.

That is a tall order and I do not see that anywhere in the Constitution or documents regarding that.

In the Bible, Christians are not called to destroy false religions either. But rather to win converts FROM false religions.

318 carray  Thu, May 22, 2008 4:12:37pm

What's so wrong with what Parsley said? Does Islam not want to conquer the world? Is Islam not a vile ideology? Did America not defeat the proponents of Islam that were harassing the world during Jefferson's time?

On another note, vis a vis Hagee's statement on using Hitler to effect the return of Jews to Israel, if people actually read the Bible, particularly the OT, this wouldn't have raised an eyebrow. The point of the Bible is that God's will is accomplished through human history. With respect to the Jews, His will was for the repatriation of the Jews to Israel. God does/permits some weird stuff to happen. He does what He does for us. In the ancient past, God used the Assyrians, the Babylonians, and a host of others to do whatever he wanted done. We recoil in horror at Hitler, and rightly so; but, out of the evil that Hitler perpetrated, God has wrought a great and wonderful good. Israel lives! The Jewish people have a home!

While I've only seen Hagee on TV, I do know he's very pro-Israel.

319 Annar  Thu, May 22, 2008 4:31:30pm

Islam is not a religion, it is a political system with a religious component ripped off from the Jewish and Christian superstitions.

320 soccerdad  Thu, May 22, 2008 6:24:40pm

Ummm. Is it really a bad thing that McCain is associating with this guy? Seems to me like he's speaking the truth.....noam sayin?

321 norar  Thu, May 22, 2008 6:32:58pm

And this pastor harms Mc Cain how? It seems that the only people he can turn away are those that would not vote for him in the first place. Moreover, the MSM making this pastor support to Mc Cain known might also bring in new supporters, i.e. the Americans that are tired of being blamed for all the world trouble by the Obama and Co and happy to support somebody who is spelling openly who the actual enemies of the world peace are.

322 Albertanator  Thu, May 22, 2008 7:08:13pm

Well, I havn't read all the comments here but what exactly is controversial about these comments from this Preacher? What he is saying is sadly true....Islam is a nihilistic force that is out to enslave the world...it is inherently evil to the core.....

Nothing here except the lib media trying to play moral equivalence!

323 profitsbeard  Thu, May 22, 2008 7:12:42pm

A reporter should ask Obama if he thinks Islam is out to conquer the world and establish a theocratic tyranny, according to its own texts?

His answer(s) would be instructive.

If Parsley elicits only this, then his silly, over-the-top comment about the foundational meaning of America ("with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed") can be overlooked.

Tell us what you think of Islam, Barry.

Parse away.

324 Roger  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:03:15pm

re: #319 Annar

horse-puckey

325 profitsbeard  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:17:50pm

re: #324 Roger

horse-puckey

It's that, too.

326 Biff  Thu, May 22, 2008 10:22:10pm

re: #33 JohnnyReb

Other than this comment: “America was founded with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed,” I think the guy is spot on the money myself. Or did I miss something?


TJ formed the US Navy in order to defeat the mujahadeen who were blocking shipping channels in the Mediteranean and kidnapping Americans for ransom and white slavery. Furthermore, the Western maps of the era depicted Israel as the Holy Land, Terra Sancta, and portrayed its Biblical borders. It's occupation by the Caliphate must have been a serious thorn in the side of the Christian west. Furthermore, the American Revolution occured just 93 years after the Battle of Vienna (the Ottaman's second attack on the Austrian capital), so Islamic conquest was very much recent history at the time of the Founding Fathers.


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