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McCain Throws Hagee and Parsley Under The Bus

Thu, May 22, 2008 at 7:51:25 pm PDT

It wasn’t hard to see this coming: McCain rejects pastor’s endorsement.

STOCKTON, Calif. - Republican John McCain on Thursday rejected endorsements from two influential but controversial televangelists, saying there is no place for their incendiary criticisms of other faiths.

McCain rejected the months-old endorsement of Texas preacher John Hagee after an audio recording surfaced in which the preacher said God sent Adolf Hitler to help Jews reach the promised land. McCain called the comment “crazy and unacceptable.”

He later repudiated the support of Rod Parsley, an Ohio preacher who has sharply criticized Islam and called the religion inherently violent.

McCain issued a statement Thursday afternoon announcing his decision about Hagee. “Obviously, I find these remarks and others deeply offensive and indefensible, and I repudiate them. I did not know of them before Reverend Hagee’s endorsement, and I feel I must reject his endorsement as well,” he said.

Later, in Stockton, he told reporters: “I just think that the statement is crazy and unacceptable.”

Then in an interview with The Associated Press, McCain said he rejected Parsley’s support, too. “I believe there is no place for that kind of dialogue in America, and I believe that even though he endorsed me, and I didn’t endorse him, the fact is that I repudiate such talk, and I reject his endorsement,” McCain told the AP.

Barack Obama says Hagee’s comments were “mind-boggling,” a word that apparently never occurred to him during the 20 years he sat listening to Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

Obama, who was campaigning in Florida, said that in national politics it’s easy to find people who have said or done offensive things.

“John McCain has to deal with Hagee, who said something that is mind-boggling. I don’t attribute those statements to John McCain. Nobody thinks McCain believes that stuff,” Obama said.

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1 Adrenalyn  Thu, May 22, 2008 7:52:09pm

well, so what ?

2 Adrenalyn  Thu, May 22, 2008 7:52:34pm

at least 50% of what McCain stands for I can tolerate, versus 0% for the left

3 rawmuse  Thu, May 22, 2008 7:52:41pm

Et tu, McCain?

4 Adrenalyn  Thu, May 22, 2008 7:52:54pm

plus, we need less religion in this world

5 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 22, 2008 7:53:11pm

I'm glad he tossed Hagee. This Parsley guy, I don't know so much about. If all he said was that Islam was violent... well, there does seem to be some evidence to that effect, no?

6 pingjockey  Thu, May 22, 2008 7:53:18pm

Damn roads will be to slick to drive on, what with all the blood from all these folks being tossed under buses.

7 Sharmuta  Thu, May 22, 2008 7:53:37pm
McCain rejected the months-old endorsement of Texas preacher John Hagee after an audio recording surfaced in which the preacher said God sent Adolf Hitler to help Jews reach the promised land. McCain called the comment “crazy and unacceptable.”

Not often do I say this, but John Mccain is 100% correct.

8 Adrenalyn  Thu, May 22, 2008 7:53:45pm

but the MSM will make full political hay of this
they will accuse McCain of Swift-Boating his own pastor

9 Crusader Rabbit  Thu, May 22, 2008 7:54:23pm
Barack Obama says Hagee’s comments were “mind-boggling,” a word that apparently never occurred to him during the 20 years he sat listening to Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

Of course not. Hatred spewed by neo-marxists isn't the least bit mind-boggling.

10 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, May 22, 2008 7:54:42pm

Dear Politicians,

Please do background checks on people who endorse you before you respond to their endorsements with enthusiasm. It's the least you could do, after spending our money.

Thank you,

The People

/awful lot of people getting thrown under buses in this campaign, eh?

11 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 22, 2008 7:55:19pm
12 Adrenalyn  Thu, May 22, 2008 7:55:25pm

all McCain has to do now
is just keep his mouth shut

no more campaigning
no Q & A sessions
no debates

Hussein-Obama will never win unless McCain kicks a puppy on live TV

13 freetoken  Thu, May 22, 2008 7:55:35pm

re: #6 pingjockey

Fortunately the body has been raised enough to allow for all the bodies passing underneath.

14 HelloDare  Thu, May 22, 2008 7:55:38pm

No waffling?

15 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, May 22, 2008 7:56:07pm
McCain rejected the months-old endorsement of Texas preacher John Hagee after an audio recording surfaced in which the preacher said God sent Adolf Hitler to help Jews reach the promised land.

This fella better hope I never meet him. I'm ashamed to share territory with him.

16 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 22, 2008 7:57:04pm

(Stray thought; if we press the heart button and then the "!" button, that should send a signal to Lizardoid Central Command that "I NEED CPR IMMEDIATELY".)

Anyway.

Naturally the MSM will continue playing the equivalence game, and hinting that Hagee was "McCain's pastor" in the same way that Wright was Obama's.

17 The Other Les  Thu, May 22, 2008 7:57:12pm

re: #6 pingjockey

Damn roads will be to slick to drive on, what with all the blood from all these folks being tossed under buses.

You just need a big enough bus.

18 jcm  Thu, May 22, 2008 7:57:16pm

I'm sorry to announce the election '08 bus cannot proceed any farther. Too many under the bus, not enough on it.

We'll have to start the '08 process over again.


HUNTER! HUNTER! HUNTER! HUNTER! HUNTER! HUNTER! HUNTER! HUNTER! HUNTER! HUNTER! HUNTER! HUNTER! HUNTER! HUNTER! HUNTER! HUNTER!

19 Sharmuta  Thu, May 22, 2008 7:57:20pm

re: #11 song_and_dance_man

But in hagee's case- he absolutely should.

20 pingjockey  Thu, May 22, 2008 7:57:27pm

Hey, John! I'm fairly computer literate and could use a job! Let me be your Google dude. Don't these candidates have any one who can do even a cursory background check? Obamaramas a special case, he sat in that church and directly heard what the Right Rev. Wrong was spewing.

21 pingjockey  Thu, May 22, 2008 7:58:18pm

re: #13 freetoken
Sweet! Make one helluva good camper.

22 jaunte  Thu, May 22, 2008 7:59:06pm

re: #7 Sharmuta

He forgot the "bull-goose loony" part, though.

23 Adrenalyn  Thu, May 22, 2008 7:59:20pm

this is good news from McCain
let's hope he picks a good running mate
I am not impressed with his rumored initial picks
as being something that will help him
Romney - too religious and the get your own planet thing
Jindal - too young and inexperienced
the other one, Crist is too unknown for me to make a judgement on
but leave it to the MSM to bring up his "religious" name (sort of)
and say that McCain is a god-monger or something sinister
they will stoop that low

24 freetoken  Thu, May 22, 2008 7:59:25pm

re: #17 The Other Les

Or one with enough torque to plow over anything...

25 songbird  Thu, May 22, 2008 7:59:28pm

I think McCain is trying to throw his natural constituency under the bus and is pandering for some leftwing love.

26 MandyManners  Thu, May 22, 2008 7:59:30pm

It's a bus race!

27 Milk Toast Intolerant  Thu, May 22, 2008 7:59:44pm
Barack Obama says Hagee’s comments were “mind-boggling,” a word that apparently never occurred to him during the 20 years he sat listening to Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

Obama = Hypocrite

McCain = too chicken to take a chance with Parsley. I can understand denouncing Hagee for the Hitler comment, but most of what Parsley said was right on the money; that Islam is evil.

28 experiencedtraveller  Thu, May 22, 2008 7:59:45pm

McCain is a fine American and a true patriot.

29 songbird  Thu, May 22, 2008 7:59:59pm

.....not that I'm a Hagee or Parsley fan, mind you.

30 pingjockey  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:00:06pm

re: #17 The Other Les

Merde!

31 MandyManners  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:00:08pm

re: #25 songbird

He should throw Hagee under the bus for his statement. It's despicable.

32 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:00:35pm
33 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:00:54pm

Boy, I sure hope there's nothing wrong with McCain.

/this holiday weekend health records dump is making me nervous

34 J.S.  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:00:55pm

Hagee now says he's withdrawing his endorsement of McCain...(much of this strikes me as ridiculous...and as overt political maneuvering...transparent...) The bottom line though is that the "problematic" preachers endorsing McCain come no where near to the utter offensiveness of Rev Wright and his ranting sermons spewing hatred of America and the fact that Obama for decades so no problem with it. The Rev Wright issue (and how it relates to a potential President of the United States) is qualitatively different from the Hagee and Parsley spews (which are a tangent, not integral, to McCain)...

35 songbird  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:01:05pm

re: #31 MandyManners

He should throw Hagee under the bus for his statement. It's despicable.

I totally agree. Very religiously bigoted.

36 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:01:10pm

Pesky preachers.

37 jcm  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:01:13pm

re: #26 MandyManners

It's a bus race!

Death Bus Race 2008

38 Sarge1984  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:02:54pm

re: #36 Killgore Trout

Thanks, Killgore. I was hoping for a good smile out of this thread.

39 The Other Les  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:02:56pm

re: #24 freetoken

Or one with enough torque to plow over anything...

If I recall correctly the eponymous vehicle in The Big Bus was nuclear powered.

40 Mich-again  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:03:21pm

Speaking of buses.

Bus plunges rival terrorist attacks for death toll of civilians. About one mass killing a week. Like this one from Nepal or this story from India or from China

41 livefreeor die  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:03:40pm

re: #26 MandyManners

It's a bus race!

I bet Billy Jeff has some bus throwing left in him.

42 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:03:52pm
43 songbird  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:04:15pm

I was so glad to see the yellow buses leave our school today. And tomorrow is my last day! Hurrah!

44 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:04:18pm

re: #36 Killgore Trout

Pesky preachers.

Who will rid me of these meddlesome preachers?

We would have gotten away with it, too, if it hadn't been for those meddling preachers!

--Thomas a Beckett Meets Scooby-Doo (work in progress)

45 jcm  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:05:01pm

re: #24 freetoken

Or one with enough torque to plow over anything...

My boys love that bus, they always want me to pull up videos of that thing.

46 Roger  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:05:55pm

Well McCain you won't have to muster the energy to reject my endorsement/vote.

47 Sharmuta  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:06:01pm

re: #32 song_and_dance_man

Why is that?!

the preacher said God sent Adolf Hitler to help Jews reach the promised land.

Because this comment is disgusting, that's why.

49 Milk Toast Intolerant  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:07:04pm

Anyone has this tape in which Hagee said God used Hitler to help Jews get to the promised land? I would love to hear it, just because I don't trust the media.

50 shortboard surfer  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:08:03pm

moral equivalence.

Brocko is to his pastor as McCain is to his pastor. All pastors are the same. Nothing to see here; move on.

51 MandyManners  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:08:23pm

re: #37 jcm

Reminds me of Santa Fe in Denver.

52 Ojoe  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:08:49pm

re: #4 Adrenalyn

No, I think we need better religion.

The human will always want religion.

53 autoexec  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:08:50pm

I think i can play devil's advocate here and say the statement about Hitler was most probably more bad choice of words than crazy theology. Obama has some nerve to speak out about this. Obama spent freaking 20 years in a Farakkhan worshipping church, the same Farrakhan who said Hitler was a very great man. What a phoney hypocrite.

54 DesertSage  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:08:55pm

Barack H. Obama must be stopped.
I don't want to live in a Marxist country.

55 MandyManners  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:09:08pm

re: #41 livefreeor die

I bet Billy Jeff has some bus throwing left in him.

Whom would he toss?

56 livefreeor die  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:10:03pm

re: #49 Milk Toast Intolerant

Anyone has this tape in which Hagee said God used Hitler to help Jews get to the promised land? I would love to hear it, just because I don't trust the media.

Between this preacher and that Seattle newspaper and some of the moonbats, this week has degenerated into a Celebrate Hitler theme in the media.

57 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:10:17pm
58 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:10:18pm

Hasn't Hagee also made some "Catholic church = whore" remarks, too? Or am I confused?

59 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:11:46pm
60 Ojoe  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:11:56pm
61 livefreeor die  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:11:58pm

re: #55 MandyManners

Whom would he toss?

That might be a tough one for him. Of course, he never personally does the tossing. It would be a bus accident or a suicide by bus.

62 harley2002  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:12:13pm

McCain is the reason I will not vote in 28 years. Sorry can't vote for this hypocrite. Let him register some illegals to vote for him

63 Tarkus289  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:12:17pm

Or a third world economy.

64 freetoken  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:12:23pm

re: #58 Occasional Reader

A not uncommon statement to be found among pre-millenial preachers/believers .

65 Charles  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:12:34pm

re: #58 Occasional Reader

Hasn't Hagee also made some "Catholic church = whore" remarks, too? Or am I confused?

No, you're right, that was Hagee. He's an "end times" Christian Zionist.

66 Tarkus289  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:12:44pm

Or a third rate military.

67 Ojoe  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:12:56pm

re: #58 Occasional Reader

That remark has been going around at least since the days of Martin Luther.

68 Sarge1984  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:13:12pm

re: #53 autoexec

No, I don't think it was a bad choice of words, I think it was one individual truthfully voicing his beliefs. And, although I don't condone the Obama's church, it wasn't a "Farrakhan worshiping church," it was a deluded, racist pastor spewing hate and building a congregation on the foundations of racism with a facade of "this is how blacks worship."

69 livefreeor die  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:13:19pm

re: #60 Ojoe

Cats that look like hitler. (destroy with mocking)

The cat at the top is creepy-it has the same sort of jawline and look Hitler has in some of the old war footage.

70 jaunte  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:13:33pm

re: #58 Occasional Reader

Here's a video:
[Link: www.getreligion.org...]

71 Attaboid  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:13:45pm

re: #30 pingjockey

You speak french!

72 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:14:00pm

re: #65 Charles

No, you're right, that was Hagee. He's an "end times" Christian Zionist.

Then McCain should back the bus up over him. Metaphorically speaking, of course.

73 FrogMarch  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:14:11pm

But big homogeneous DNC media has to play gotcha whenever it has the opportunity.

74 Ojoe  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:14:24pm

re: #69 livefreeor die

Maybe some are photoshopped, I think

75 livefreeor die  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:14:32pm

Does Ron Paul throw people under a bus or his blimp?

76 The Other Les  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:14:32pm

re: #58 Occasional Reader

Hasn't Hagee also made some "Catholic church = whore" remarks, too? Or am I confused?

That's Jack T. Chick. The Catholic Church the the Whore of Babylon.

[Link: www.chick.com...]

77 Timbre  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:14:34pm
"I find these remarks and others deeply offensive and indefensible..."


The 'ole Johari window applies quite well here: a comment can be offensive and indefensible; it can be offensive and defensible; it can be unoffensive and indefensible; it can be unoffensive and defensible. And of course, it depends upon whom is being offended and whom have no brains to process facts.

78 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:14:41pm

re: #64 freetoken

A not uncommon statement to be found among pre-millenial preachers/believers .

Doesn't make it any less hateful or nuts.

79 rawmuse  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:14:55pm

re: #24 freetoken

Or one with enough torque to plow over anything...

Ain't America grand?

80 Shortboard Surfer  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:14:59pm

Hagee's comments are irrelevant, because he was not McCain's mentor for 20 years. No moral equivalence here.

81 Milk Toast Intolerant  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:15:02pm

re: #62 harley2002

McCain is the reason I will not vote in 28 years. Sorry can't vote for this hypocrite. Let him register some illegals to vote for him

I would strongly discourage you from not voting. Just about anyone is better than Obama. Couple years ago, I swore I'd never vote for Hillary, but since the emergence of Obama's questionable judgements, relationships with terrorists and hate mongers, I'd say Hillary looks better than him by the day.

82 pegcity  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:15:16pm

ill take the 5 million dollar donation from hagee to israel as a decent apology

83 Tarkus289  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:15:23pm

re: #75 livefreeor die

He would have to throw himself under the bus for some of the stupid things he has said.

84 MandyManners  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:15:40pm

re: #61 livefreeor die

That might be a tough one for him. Of course, he never personally does the tossing. It would be a bus accident or a suicide by bus.

Good points.

85 pingjockey  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:16:17pm

re: #71 Attaboid
Non! Jest about used up all I know!

86 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:16:19pm

re: #75 livefreeor die

Does Ron Paul throw people under a bus or his blimp?

Oh, the humanity!

87 The Other Les  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:16:25pm

re: #75 livefreeor die

Does Ron Paul throw people under a bus or his blimp?

He's ex-Ari Force so I would say out the blimp.

88 joecitizen  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:16:43pm

re: #62 harley2002

McCain is the reason I will not vote in 28 years. Sorry can't vote for this hypocrite. Let him register some illegals to vote for him

welcome to obamanation then...leave your money and safety in His hands..

89 livefreeor die  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:16:44pm

re: #84 MandyManners

Good points.

I think he has two finalists for first under the bus.

90 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:17:20pm

I'm very late to the thread(s). Would someone please say something really really offensive so I can try out the new report bat?

91 Tarkus289  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:17:48pm

re: #90 unrealizedviewpoint

Hike.

92 MandyManners  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:17:53pm

re: #86 Occasional Reader

Oh, the humanity!

Dagnabit. Ya' beat me to it.

93 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:18:02pm
94 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:18:16pm

While I do applaud Senator McCain for taking the high road regarding religious extremism, he'll need to back up his words by insisting that Islam reject those elements within their religion as well, the ones that believe that any cost in blood of the infidel is worth the ummah.

This is not radical religious thought, it's simply an accurate assessment of the situation that we face at this moment.

Until Islam is willing to reform, or a large portion of the religion is willing to break away from that theology toward one that respects all of mankind, no matter what McCain says, it's the same old problem.

Only by splintering moderate Islam entirely from those who refuse to conform to the dictates of normative society across the planet will the question not forever remain.

That may be the religious equivalent of "throwing under the bus", but it simply has to be done if we are to eventually achieve peace on this planet.

However, if the splintering results in a large minority or majority rejecting moderation for terror, then at least we will have weaned those who do not wish destruction upon us from those who essentially are saying to us: "Kill us, or you will be killed."

Paraphrasing President Bush's own thoughts (one upon a time...), those who are not with us are the problem.

95 wolfie  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:18:18pm

re: #58 Occasional Reader

Hasn't Hagee also made some "Catholic church = whore" remarks, too? Or am I confused?

A lot of Protestants in the past have identified the "whore of Babylon" in Revelation with Rome. It's an oldie. I would guess that Hagee preached or wrote something about the End Times that gave that view.

96 MandyManners  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:18:31pm

re: #89 livefreeor die

I think he has two finalists for first under the bus.

Who?

97 autoexec  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:18:33pm

re: #68 Sarge1984


No, I don't think it was a bad choice of words, I think it was one individual truthfully voicing his beliefs.

All religious folks believe everything is from God, including Hitler. The problem seems to be people think that he meant Hitler himself was good - which i highly doubt.

And, although I don't condone the Obama's church, it wasn't a "Farrakhan worshiping church," it was a deluded, racist pastor spewing hate and building a congregation on the foundations of racism with a facade of "this is how blacks worship."

Farrakhan the only man featured 4 times in their magazine + Pastor Farrakhan's best friend + holy covenant with Farrakhan = Farrakhan worhipping church in my book.

98 rawmuse  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:18:34pm

re: #90 unrealizedviewpoint

I'm very late to the thread(s). Would someone please say something really really offensive so I can try out the new report bat?

President Barack Obama

99 jaunte  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:18:40pm

Hagee's statement to prnewswire:
[Link: www.prnewswire.com...]

100 pingjockey  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:18:51pm

re: #90 unrealizedviewpoint
Your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries.

101 MandyManners  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:18:58pm

re: #90 unrealizedviewpoint

I'm very late to the thread(s). Would someone please say something really really offensive so I can try out the new report bat?

Yo' momma' wears army boots.

102 Alouette  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:19:08pm

re: #90 unrealizedviewpoint

I'm very late to the thread(s). Would someone please say something really really offensive so I can try out the new report bat?

Hillary Clinton is hot!

103 joecitizen  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:19:11pm

re: #90 unrealizedviewpoint

I'm very late to the thread(s). Would someone please say something really really offensive so I can try out the new report bat?


fuck you.

104 Tarkus289  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:19:44pm

re: #98 rawmuse

You win!

105 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:19:45pm
106 pingjockey  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:19:54pm

re: #102 Alouette
You forgot the tag!

107 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:20:03pm

re: #98 rawmuse

President Barack Obama

You are SO reported, mister!

(Just a test run, Charles, promise I will not abuse the function)

108 Ojoe  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:20:08pm

re: #90 unrealizedviewpoint

'Can't eat as much as we want; other countries won't say OK'

109 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:20:11pm

re: #93 savage_nation

Barack Hussein Obama

Thank you savage. I'm reporting you. That offensive remark may bring you the wrath of Stinkys' bat.

110 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:20:41pm

re: #90 unrealizedviewpoint

I'm very late to the thread(s). Would someone please say something really really offensive so I can try out the new report bat?

"Jihad" means "peaceful internal struggle".

111 DesertSage  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:20:45pm

re: #62 harley2002

McCain is the reason I will not vote in 28 years. Sorry can't vote for this hypocrite. Let him register some illegals to vote for him

Don't vote then. Nobody can make you.

Just realize that your non-vote is no different than a vote for Obama.

112 Sharmuta  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:20:52pm

re: #82 pegcity

ill take the 5 million dollar donation from hagee to israel as a decent apology

Don't be fooled by his money.

113 jcm  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:20:58pm

re: #90 unrealizedviewpoint

I'm very late to the thread(s). Would someone please say something really really offensive so I can try out the new report bat?

Evolution!
*whack*
Intelligent Design
*whack*
Evolution!
*whack*
Intelligent Design
*whack*
Evolution!
*whack*
Intelligent Design
*whack*
Evolution!
*whack*
Intelligent Design
*whack*

114 Ojoe  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:21:11pm

I like how everything goes dark when you hit the report button.

115 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:21:16pm

This is now reminding me of the Simpsons ep where they're all electrocuting each other at the family therapist's.

116 pingjockey  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:21:29pm

re: #109 unrealizedviewpoint

Drown manbearpig in ethanol bought with carbon credits.

117 Tarkus289  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:21:34pm

re: #115 Occasional Reader

Classic.

118 Mich-again  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:21:48pm

As a Catholic I never gave much concern to the various fire and brimstone Protestants who talked the anti-Catholic crap. I dealt with that nonsense all through my youth. I once got in a debate with my neighbor buddie's dad who was a fundie preacher ( at the little Church right smack dab in the neighborhood ) about Dinosaur bones. When he said they were just rocks that looked like giant bones I laughed at him. I was like 10 or 12 years old.

119 Ojoe  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:22:49pm

re: #114 Ojoe

In fact, just to go all hall monitor/nurse ratchet, I think there should be a little number next to the report button, to show how many times a comment has been reported.

120 livefreeor die  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:23:13pm

re: #96 MandyManners

Who?

He has to decide if he's racist or sexist. Also, which one most stands in his way of some sweet, sweet intern quality time.

121 Sarge1984  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:23:16pm

re: #97 autoexec

What's the holy covenant with Farrakhan you're talking about?

122 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:23:34pm
123 wolfie  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:23:39pm

The MSM is just trying to create moral equivalence where there is none.

124 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:23:45pm

re: #118 Mich-again

As a Catholic I never gave much concern to the various fire and brimstone Protestants who talked the anti-Catholic crap. I dealt with that nonsense all through my youth. I once got in a debate with my neighbor buddie's dad who was a fundie preacher ( at the little Church right smack dab in the neighborhood ) about Dinosaur bones. When he said they were just rocks that looked like giant bones I laughed at him. I was like 10 or 12 years old.

Actually... technically speaking, they ARE rocks that look like dinosaur bones (due to the way fossilization happens). But he was partly right/mostly wrong, anyway.

125 Dr. Shalit  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:24:03pm

re: #23 Adrenalyn

this is good news from McCain
let's hope he picks a good running mate
I am not impressed with his rumored initial picks
as being something that will help him
Romney - too religious and the get your own planet thing
Jindal - too young and inexperienced
the other one, Crist is too unknown for me to make a judgement on
but leave it to the MSM to bring up his "religious" name (sort of)
and say that McCain is a god-monger or something sinister
they will stoop that low

"ad'

just remember this - apart from being a kiss is just a kiss AND a sigh is just a sigh - the fundamental thing is that ROMNEY can write a check for the rest of the campaign, JINDAL - Is the REAL DEAL as far as anyone can see, and Crist just might be able to deliver Florida in a close election. Be Guided Accordingly.

-S-

126 jcm  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:24:23pm

re: #111 DesertSage

Don't vote then. Nobody can make you.

Just realize that your non-vote is no different than a vote for Obama.

FL 2000.
529 votes.

WA 2004 Gov. race.
129 votes.

It doesn't take many.

127 Milk Toast Intolerant  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:24:53pm

Just for the record, I've watch dozens of Hagee's half hour sermons on tv a few years ago, and don't remember him saying anything remotely this controversial.

A question for any Bible scholars/historians here: didn't God used (or "sent" however you want to word it) kings and rulers to punish Israel in the Old Testament era? If yes, can't the same thing be said about Hitler? I think it could be a matter of semantics here, between the words "used" and "sent." I'm curious to hear what Hagee actually said and compare it to what the media reported.

128 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:25:20pm
129 livefreeor die  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:25:29pm

re: #126 jcm

FL 2000.
529 votes.

WA 2004 Gov. race.
129 votes.

It doesn't take many.

The biggest motivator for me is the number of Supreme Court vacancies that will likely need to be filled.

130 songbird  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:25:39pm

Regardless of who McCain throws under the bus, I'm disappointed that in all this long terrible protracted election season the best we have to offer is Clinton, McCain and Obama. It's like having a choice of three Democrats!

/frustrated voter mode

131 freetoken  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:27:50pm

re: #127 Milk Toast Intolerant

It's all a variation on the basic "where did evil come from?" question that gets asked in/of religion.

132 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:28:00pm
133 Sharmuta  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:28:46pm

re: #105 song_and_dance_man

OK- how's this for a starter:

In "Jerusalem Countdown: A Prelude To war" Hagee has stated that Jews brought the Holocaust upon themselves by rebelling against God and that the Holocaust was God's way of forcing Jews to move to Israel where, Hagee predicts according to his interpretation of Biblical scripture, they will be mostly killed in the apocalyptic Mideast conflict Hagee's new lobbying group seems to be working to provoke and which John Hagee believes to be a necessary precondition for the "Rapture" that will lift Christians, but not Jews, bodily into Heaven to enjoy physical immortality amidst paradise.

“The United States must join Israel in a pre-emptive military strike against Iran to fulfill God's plan for both Israel and the West... a biblically prophesied end-time confrontation with Iran, which will lead to the Rapture, Tribulation [...] and [the] Second Coming of Christ." .

Sorry, but I think hagee supports Israel just so he can toss them under the bus. Wanting to start a war with iran to bring back Jesus is just as crazy as dinnerjacket wanting war to bring the mahdhi. That's whack.

134 DesertSage  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:29:11pm

After seeing McCain on SNL, I started to like the guy.
I can't stand Lord Obama.

This will be a no-brainer for me in Nov.

135 Sarge1984  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:29:47pm

From the best police blotter publication I've found yet:

9 p.m. A migratory couple in town for the big dopefest, one with stylish dreadlocks, entered a Northtown mini-mart, selected food items and were on their way out when they were reminded of the paying-for-stuff part. They told the clerk they had no money, and left to feed the items to their dog nearby. Police found the two and brokered a settlement, then arrested the woman on a drunkenness charge.

136 The Other Les  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:30:24pm

re: #134 DesertSage

After seeing McCain on SNL, I started to like the guy.
I can't stand Lord Obama.

This will be a no-brainer for me in Nov.

You do understand that you will be quoted out of context by the bad guys. right?

137 Ojoe  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:31:04pm

re: #133 Sharmuta

I say Hagee is nuts, after reading that.

Presuming to know the mind of God.

*Snort*

138 Sarge1984  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:31:08pm

re: #134 DesertSage

"Lord Obama"?

Isn't that like comparing him to Cheney?

/cue Vader theme music

139 Roger  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:31:34pm

re: #127 Milk Toast Intolerant

Hagee didn't say what is being intentionally rephrased and attributed to him. On both counts.

/Never forget the poor men of Lyons.

140 DesertSage  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:31:37pm

re: #136 The Other Les

You do understand that you will be quoted out of context by the bad guys. right?

It'll never stick.

141 Karridine  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:31:51pm

re: #130 songbird
I beg to differ, Songbyrd, this election is like having a Dhimmocrat, a Marxist and a patriotic, but unaligned American to vote for...

They COULD be called 'Democrats' (almost ANYBODY unprincipled is allowed in THAT tent) but they're so much MORE...

142 autoexec  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:31:53pm

re: #133 Sharmuta

OK- how's this for a starter:

Sorry, but I think hagee supports Israel just so he can toss them under the bus. Wanting to start a war with iran to bring back Jesus is just as crazy as dinnerjacket wanting war to bring the mahdhi. That's whack.

In that case i retract my advocacy of him. Are all Evangelical Zionists that way?

143 jcm  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:31:56pm

re: #128 savage_nation

yeah but those 129 votes were from the graveyard, weren't they?

Not too many dead voted in WA, but we had a lot of illegal registrations. 2000 more ballots counted in King Co than voters that voted. As the recounts progressed, ballots where found 9 times. Ballots that where reject by the optical scanners had a higher rate of being accepted and hand counted from predominately (D) precincts, than (R) precincts.

John McKay one of the 8 fed prosecutors fired by GWB that the (D)s made such a fuss over, admitted later he should have investigated.

The genius in charge of King Co. Elections, one Dean Logan moved to LA County the last election in LA as FUBARed.

144 Ojoe  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:32:06pm

re: #136 The Other Les

In what way badly quoted?

What's not to like there?

145 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:32:07pm
146 Sharmuta  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:32:12pm
It was the disobedience and rebellion of the Jews, God's chosen people, to their covenantal responsibility to serve only the one true God, Jehovah, that gave rise to the opposition and persecution that they experienced beginning in Canaan and continuing to this very day....

-hagee in Jerusalem Countdown.

I say f*ck this guy.

147 Mich-again  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:32:14pm

re: #124 Occasional Reader

Actually... technically speaking, they ARE rocks that look like dinosaur bones (due to the way fossilization happens). But he was partly right/mostly wrong, anyway.

Good point. But it was part of a discussion about how there were no such things as dinosaurs. They weren't in the Bible. They never happened.

And thinking like that does not make someone a bad person, by any means. We entrusted the care of our three young children a few years back to a fundamentalist woman who was so into it she even claimed the World was really flat because the Bible only mentions the four corners of the Earth and that globe of yours is a big lie!
Ha. But the kids really liked her and she was very responsible and reliable.

148 experiencedtraveller  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:32:14pm

re: #138 Sarge1984

"Lord Obama"?

Isn't that like comparing him to Cheney?

/cue Vader theme music

Cheney is MUCH MORE SINISTER (in a good way) then Obama could ever be....

149 Milk Toast Intolerant  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:32:24pm

re: #130 songbird

Regardless of who McCain throws under the bus, I'm disappointed that in all this long terrible protracted election season the best we have to offer is Clinton, McCain and Obama. It's like having a choice of three Democrats!

/frustrated voter mode

For the life of me, I don't understand how the Republican Party can promote McCain and Huckabee over outstanding candidates like Giuliani and Hunter. I suspect many of those votes were cast by members of other parties, because they believe McCain would be very beatable in the general election.

150 gromster  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:32:25pm

Hagee is very, very strongly pro-Israel. I've seen many, many of his sermons on TV.

I agree with Hagee in supporting Israel as well as on many moral issues, but there are a few areas where I don't agree with him.

I've seen only a few Parsley sermons on TV. I don't like his preaching style, so I usually avoid him.

However, I have watched Parsley speak about Islam before on his TV show, and he's not a ranting, raving mad man about it.

Parsley has even qualified statements by saying things such as, "Of course, there are moderate Muslims, good Muslims who don't do what the radical Muslims do..." etc.

Parsley's views on Islam are much like that of the majority of posters on this blog.

Both Hagee and Parsley are involved with the false teaching of Word of Faith.

I've actually heard Hagee blame poor Christians for being poor. He teaches that there's no reason for a Christian not being wealthy. Well, I'm sorry, but what about Christians that live in 3rd world countries?

Hagee was divorced sometime in the 1970s. (Most Christians are usually surprised to discover that information.)

As for Hagee's commnent about Hitler driving Jewish people to Israel. I've heard him explain this before.

Hagee cites a Bible verse where it says God will drive the Jews back into Israel by (don't recall exact words) hunter or by fisher.

He explains that Hitler was the fulfillment of the "hunter" aspect and the earliest founders of Zionism were the "fishers."

So on the surface the comment may sound questionable, but he did not mean it in a bad way. (That's probably not how I would've chosen to put it, though.)

Hagee is also very critical of Roman Catholicism.

I agree with Hagee that many teachings/ practices of Roman Catholicism are false, but because he is very blunt on how he phrases things, people do find those comments offensive.

151 The Other Les  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:32:30pm

re: #140 DesertSage

It'll never stick.

Oh! The Teflon Voter.

152 pat  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:32:52pm

Hagee was referring to his (rather obnoxious) interpretation of prophecy. This is a liberal contrived nonstory with no factual basis. Hagee is an ardent Zionist. He has supported a Catholic charity for years. McCain again shows that he is too smart to learn anything.
My family has already thrown him under the bus. I really don't know who is going to vote for this man by election day. He sheds voters like a Labrador sheds water.

153 rawmuse  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:33:01pm

OK, I will share this with you all. My app with the local PD was passed over, but here were my results. I am still proud of my somewhat Quixotic attempt.

Physical agility and stamina test
(obstacle course included climbing a 6 ft brick wall, shoving of a 250 pound sled five feet and dragging of a 150 pound dummy 25 feet)
successful appicants need to perform it in 60 seconds
my time was 45.6 seconds
score = 760
minimum to pass = 650
(I was easily the oldest guy in a line of 150 applicants, by 20 years or more)

Written POST test (Police Officer Standard Test)
861
out of a possible 1000 points
with a 100 point deduction for not being a veteran.
(would have been 961 if I had been a vet)

Oral interview
before one officer and one civilian questioner

REJECTED

One of the scenarios was
"You make a traffic stop for running a red light. The driver is of an ethnic background and says you are profiling him/her. They say they will sue the City if you write the citation.
What is your response?"

I answered:

"Press hard, you are making three copies."

I am now disqualified until January 2009, when I may re-apply.

154 Charles  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:33:02pm

Hagee was not misquoted or taken out of context. Here's the recording:

155 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:33:05pm
156 wolfie  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:34:09pm

re: #131 freetoken

It's all a variation on the basic "where did evil come from?" question that gets asked in/of religion.

Yeah. I've never heard Hagee preach nor have I read anything he's written, but I suspect he's saying that the evil of the Holocaust was "allowed" as part of some overall divine plan to establish Israel. I dunno.

157 Miss Molly  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:34:18pm

"End of Times" -- that explains so much. McCain has never been in the congregation of either of these people for 20 YEARS. and he didn't give either one over $22,000 this last year as Barak has given the Rev. Wright. He has not used either one for a mentor or for inspiration to write his books.

McCain can throw both of them under a bus, off a cliff or send them into outer space without benefit of a space suit and we will all be the better for it.

158 DesertSage  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:34:26pm

I had a Hagee sandwich for lunch today, and I think there was Parsley on it.

...or was that a Hogee?

159 jcm  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:34:28pm

re: #132 song_and_dance_man

Hagee is wrong about who and what the whore is, and I must say, he just may be part of it.

The Great Harlot is more than just one organization of religious and social entities.

The whore in simplest terms is the Apostate Church(s). The entities that have forgone the Word.

160 jainphx  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:34:32pm

re: #32 song_and_dance_man

Hagee can take care of himself. His comments maybe should be taken in context. I did not hear is whole sermon, but have heard many in the past. He hasn't said anything disparaging to the Jews. He loves the Jews and Israel, that much I know. John McCain has to do what he must do, but lets not drag good people in the mud, just disagree with him and let it go.

161 Mich-again  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:34:40pm

Maybe we should have a Hagee-Wright debate?

162 Sarge1984  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:34:46pm

re: #148 experiencedtraveller

I dunno...I'm way more scared of Obama than I ever was of Cheney.

Then again, I've never been bird hunting with Cheney.

/

163 The Other Les  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:35:16pm

re: #144 Ojoe

In what way badly quoted?

What's not to like there?

I like it. But they (the Donks) are strut about and pretend to be superior when they say that it takes no brains to vote for McCain.

They like to say that they are smart, like Fredo.

164 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:35:57pm
165 MisterCookie  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:36:10pm

When are we going to throw the bus under the bus?

166 gunjam  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:36:43pm
A question for any Bible scholars/historians here: didn't God used (or "sent" however you want to word it) kings and rulers to punish Israel in the Old Testament era?

Yes. Hagee is saying nothing out standard Protestant biblical tradition. Some of the "good, glad he dropped Hagee" comments on this thread are from agnostics, who have no familiarity with either the Scriptures or with Hagee.

There exists no stronger non-Jewish US supporter of Israel than John Hagee. Attempts to frame him as anything less do not spring from honest intentions.

167 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:36:45pm

McCain had to do this, otherwise he'd look like a hypocrite.

Hagee's comments about Hitler being G-d's way to restore Israel went too far.

However, I think Parsley had some sage comments. It's about thyme someone said what he did.

168 MilkOfMalfeasance  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:37:01pm

re: #12 Adrenalyn

all McCain has to do now
is just keep his mouth shut

no more campaigning
no Q & A sessions
no debates

Hussein-Obama will never win unless McCain kicks a puppy on live TV

You used the "H" word, HOW DARE YOU!?!?

169 The Other Les  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:37:29pm

re: #157 Miss Molly

McCain can throw both of them under a bus, off a cliff or send them into outer space without benefit of a space suit and we will all be the better for it.

Do you have any idea how much energy it takes to put something in orbit?

I'd suggest tossing them off of a convenient bridge.

170 experiencedtraveller  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:37:57pm

re: #152 pat

The beauty is that on election day 2008 there will be two names on the ballot.

One will be John McCain. A patriot.

The other will be: ?

171 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:38:15pm

re: #162 Sarge1984

Then again, I've never been bird hunting with Cheney.

True, but I would never dream of even handing a loaded gun to Obama. He'd either scream and drop it, or promptly put his finger on the trigger, figuring it must be as harmless as a plate of warm arugula.

172 wolfie  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:38:19pm

re: #133 Sharmuta

If that's what Hagee really believes, I say he's a crackpot.

(I'd use a few other terms if I weren't a mild-mannered lady.)

173 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:38:24pm
174 Tarkus289  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:38:31pm

I would rather bird hunt with Cheney than live a day under obama's rule.

175 The Other Les  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:38:31pm

re: #170 experiencedtraveller

Irrelevant.

176 Mich-again  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:38:38pm

re: #154 Charles

Oh there is some weird stuff there..

He goes on: "Theodore Hertzel is the father of Zionism. He was a Jew who at the turn of the 19th century said, this land is our land, God wants us to live there. So he went to the Jews of Europe and said 'I want you to come and join me in the land of Israel.' So few went that Hertzel went into depression. Those who came founded Israel; those who did not went through the hell of the holocaust. [..see, it was their own fault -ed]

"Then god sent a hunter. A hunter is someone with a gun and he forces you. Hitler was a hunter. And the Bible says -- Jeremiah writing -- 'They shall hunt them from every mountain and from every hill and from the holes of the rocks,' meaning there's no place to hide. And that might be offensive to some people but don't let your heart be offended. I didn't write it, Jeremiah wrote it. It was the truth and it is the truth. How did it happen? Because God allowed it to happen. Why did it happen? Because God said my top priority for the Jewish people is to get them to come back to the land of Israel."

Did someone say Jeremiah was Right?

177 J.S.  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:38:41pm

re: #58 Occasional Reader

Yes, Hagee was initially criticized because of his Catholic bashing. (Hagee came under fire from the Catholic League). And, CNN "commentators" immediately picked up on Hagee/McCain (when the Rev Wright controversy bloomed) and used this as a moral equivalence argument -- that is, Hussein has Wright, but McCain has Hagee -- "score is even" -- according to the musings of the Leftists. ( in strictly political terms, I think the McCain camp may be making a tactical error -- if image and perception is everything -- then it gives credence to the moral equivalence argument or that "there's no difference between Barack's relationship with Wright and McCain's relationship with Hagee." And, now, with Parsley -- for the ill-informed, the situation becomes even worse...since now the Hussein camp can make claims that more lunatic preachers gravitate to McCain than to Hussein.)

178 Sharmuta  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:38:59pm
How utterly repulsive, insulting, and heartbreaking to God for His chosen people to credit idols with bringing blessings He had showered upon the chosen people. Their own rebellion had birthed the seed of anti-Semitism that would arise and bring destruction to them for centuries to come.... it rises from the judgment of God uppon his rebellious chosen people."

-hagee in Jerusalem Countdown

Talk about Holocaust revisionism! He blames the Jews!

179 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:39:03pm

re: #167 Kosh's Shadow

McCain had to do this, otherwise he'd look like a hypocrite.

Hagee's comments about Hitler being G-d's way to restore Israel went too far.

However, I think Parsley had some sage comments. It's about thyme someone said what he did.

It's not too late to somehow work Rosemary Clooney into your comment.

180 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:39:14pm

re: #153 rawmuse

I answered:

"Press hard, you are making three copies."

I am now disqualified until January 2009, when I may re-apply.

With that answer you must have a background in sales.

The answer was probably summon a supervisor.

181 Allah al Fubar  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:39:21pm

Make no mistake: This election has been decided by the lame stream media. Any and all criticizism of Barack Hussein (oh I said the name) Obama will be immediately shelved and tossed out as "Racism".

Barack must win. If he does not win, we will see unprecidented riots and civil disturbance previously unknown to and within this country.

Let him win. Let's keep the peace. After all, that's what Wolf Blitzer wants.

/by the way, who really believes that his parents named him "Wolf". Eddie Van Halen named his son Wolgang and that was pretty far out.

Anyway, we're going to have an inexperienced, naive, unpatriotic, black supremacist POTUS, who brings "change".

Resistance is futile.

182 jcm  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:39:28pm

re: #155 savage_nation

So how bad is Gregoire fucking you guys?

Don't get me started.

9 cent gas tax, the Alaska Way Viaduct (the elevated road on the Seattle water front), State Route 520 floating bridge both "emergencies" had to be fixed. She just bailed on a decision on 520 and Alaska Way, and sent the it back to panels.

Department of Corrections supervised felonies killing cops, 3 so far.

Department of Social and Health Service is broken. Dumps tons of money in, but money for kids is cut.

ROSSI for Gov.

Watch for Rossi on the national scene in '16.

183 Maximu§  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:40:30pm

McCain said he rejected Parsley’s support, too.....

McCain rejected the months-old endorsement of Texas preacher John Hagee

~Queen~

Another one bites the Bus
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the Bus
Hey, it's gonna get you too
Another one bites the Bus

184 experiencedtraveller  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:40:33pm

re: #175 The Other Les

Irrelevant.

Lol.

185 Karridine  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:42:28pm

re: #184 experiencedtraveller

Sick pachyderm? The Donkeys are ill, too...

186 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:43:10pm
187 gop_patriot  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:43:35pm

re: #135 Sarge1984

A good one:

3:39 p.m. A passive traffic vigilante with a white goatee sat in a black pickup truck parked in a traffic lane on Old Arcata Road in an heroic, one-coot effort to get speeders to slow down, forcing vehicles into oncoming traffic. He left before police arrived.

ROFLOL

188 gunjam  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:43:51pm

re: #146 Sharmuta

I say f*ck this guy.

Very good intellectual repartee. /Sarc

Regardless of what you say, Hagee is correct. Have you ever actually READ the Old Testament? There is a good deal in there about God's sending punishments upon Israel. Are you suggesting that the Bible is anti-Semitic?

189 The Other Les  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:44:07pm

re: #185 Karridine

Sick pachyderm? The Donkeys are ill, too...

We need a Lizard Party!

190 Sharmuta  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:44:16pm
In "Jerusalem Countdown" one can find echoes of many of the themes that been at the core of historical antisemitism. IN the book, Hagee repeatedly states that Jews are "spiritually blind" - echoing the age-old charge that Jews are materialistic - and in an a September 18, 2006 WHYY "Fresh Air" interview with Terry Gross, Hagee seemed to blame Jews for the death of Jesus:

Zechariah says in the 14th chapter `and when they, the Jewish people, see him whom they have pierced' -and the word pierced there actually refers to his rib and side-`when they see him whom they have pierced, they will weep as one weeps for his only son for a period of one week.

This guy is no friend to Israel- he is a wolf in sheep's clothing trying to convince people that Israel should be the sacrificial lamb to bring back Jesus. I say he's whack.

191 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:44:18pm
192 J.S.  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:44:22pm

re: #178 Sharmuta

There are others (Ahem! read "rabbis") who do precisely the same! (they do, thankfully, constitute a minority)...they use "religious" reasons to condemn the victims...

193 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:44:39pm

re: #158 DesertSage

I had a Hagee sandwich for lunch today, and I think there was Parsley on it.

...or was that a Hogee?

Obama is a wish sandwich.

194 Karridine  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:45:17pm

re: #189 The Other Les

Yee-haw!

195 rawmuse  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:45:22pm

re: #180 unrealizedviewpoint

I have already applied to some other agencies. We see what shakes out.

196 Mich-again  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:45:51pm

re: #178 Sharmuta

Talk about Holocaust revisionism! He blames the Jews!

That seems to be the pattern.

197 DesertSage  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:45:54pm

re: #178 Sharmuta

How utterly repulsive, insulting, and heartbreaking to God for His chosen people to credit idols with bringing blessings He had showered upon the chosen people. Their own rebellion had birthed the seed of anti-Semitism that would arise and bring destruction to them for centuries to come.... it rises from the judgment of God uppon his rebellious chosen people."

-hagee in Jerusalem Countdown

Talk about Holocaust revisionism! He blames the Jews!

I'm not taking sides in this debate, because frankly I don't want to get into any arguments.
Hagee wasn't talking about the Holocaust in that paragraph you just quoted, he was talking about the Exodus.

Just being factually correct here.

198 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:45:54pm
199 Allah al Fubar  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:46:22pm

Oooh song is here..

I just felt a tingle.

200 experiencedtraveller  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:46:55pm

re: #185 Karridine

Wait to the 60 second ads come out around Labor Day.

And BTW, where is uncommitted bitterness getting anybody these days?

201 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:47:01pm
McCain rejected the months-old endorsement of Texas preacher John Hagee after an audio recording surfaced in which the preacher said God sent Adolf Hitler to help Jews reach the promised land. McCain called the comment “crazy and unacceptable.”


Because Darwin is responsible for the holocaust, of course.
/Ben Stein

202 Mich-again  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:47:08pm

re: #198 song_and_dance_man

She is more than just religious.

Splain that?

203 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:47:29pm

Red Meat.

204 The Other Les  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:47:39pm

re: #188 gunjam

Very good intellectual repartee. /Sarc

Regardless of what you say, Hagee is correct. Have you ever actually READ the Old Testament? There is a good deal in there about God's sending punishments upon Israel. Are you suggesting that the Bible is anti-Semitic?

This might suggest that there was a change of management between the Old Testament and the New Testament. Very much like the Monty Python sketch where several individuals, including a Chinese Communist, were claiming to be the Bishop of East Anglia.

205 jainphx  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:48:28pm

re: #188 gunjam

Were swimming up stream here, with so many other things we agree on, fighting about this is divisive.

206 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:48:29pm

re: #188 gunjam

That's an interesting "God" you believe it. The one who - according to you - was the author of Auschwitz. Tell me, how do you distinguish your God from a devil?

207 Milk Toast Intolerant  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:48:29pm

Everyone should check out the youtube video Charles linked to at post 154. It has Hagee's comment on Hitler being sent by God to bring the Jews to Israel and Hagee supported his interpretation with quotes from Jeremiah. This is a topic that many preachers shy away from, but Hagee is not one of those. He knew it would be controversial but said it anyway.

208 Allah al Fubar  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:48:31pm

re: #198 song_and_dance_man

The Harlot is more than just the rejecting assembly of believers. It is the pseudo bride and is married to another. She is more than just religious.

Keep telling it, Brother. You see it, I see it.

Exasperating.

209 DesertSage  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:48:52pm

Give it a break Killgore, Ben Stein is not the enemy. The man has done wonderful things for our troops.

210 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:48:57pm

re: #195 rawmuse

I have already applied to some other agencies. We see what shakes out.

I'm sorry that didn't work for you.
I'm surprised one single question would do you in. Doesn't sound quite right. Good luck on the next!

211 Karridine  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:49:02pm

re: #200 experiencedtraveller

Fortunately, ET, my HEART is in America, but my abode is in Bangkok, so I'll leave those 60-second TV-Trashers on my Must-Miss-List!

212 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:49:04pm

re: #205 jainphx

fighting about this is divisive.


But it's interesting.

213 experiencedtraveller  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:49:11pm

re: #203 Killgore Trout

Red Meat.

Is purple the new red?

214 Allah al Fubar  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:49:16pm

re: #201 Killgore Trout

Hey now, I love ben stein.

WOW.

215 Maximu§  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:49:22pm

Uh-oh...looks like a religious knock-down-drag-out-fight coming on.

216 gunjam  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:49:29pm

re: #154 Charles


Hagee was not misquoted or taken out of context. Here's the recording:

[Link: [Link: www.youtube.com...]...]

Charles, you are coder-cum-geek sans pareil in my book.

Uhmm, how familiar are you with biblical hermeneutics?

Moreover, how familiar are you with Hagee's well-known, well-established, and virtually unequalled support for the State of Israel?

217 Sharmuta  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:49:34pm

re: #188 gunjam

Regardless of what you say, Hagee is correct. Have you ever actually READ the Old Testament? There is a good deal in there about God's sending punishments upon Israel. Are you suggesting that the Bible is anti-Semitic?

No- john hagee is.

218 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:49:49pm

re: #214 Allah al Fubar

Good for you.

219 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:50:07pm
220 Roger  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:50:44pm

re: #142 autoexec

In that case i retract my advocacy of him. Are all Evangelical Zionists that way?

That is not Hagee's position. He knows the sand of that hour glass is started [by another set of actors] and cannot be reset, sped up or altered by Christians even with their support of Israel.

221 jaunte  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:50:51pm

Hagee on Hurricane Katrina:

I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God, and they are--were recipients of the judgment of God for that. The newspaper carried the story in our local area that was not carried nationally that there was to be a homosexual parade on the Monday that the Katrina came, and the promise of that parade was that it was going to reach a level of sexuality never demonstrated before in any of the other Gay Pride parades. So I believe that the judgment of God is a very real thing.
222 experiencedtraveller  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:50:56pm

re: #211 Karridine

Make sure you mail your ballot on-time.

223 DesertSage  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:50:59pm

re: #219 savage_nation

I'm staying out of this....

Me too.

224 Allah al Fubar  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:51:15pm

re: #219 savage_nation

Oh, I'm not going to fight.

Pay no attention to my rock.

225 Maximu§  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:51:28pm

re: #219 savage_nation

I'm staying out of this....

Yeah, its a good time to get a bowl of Capt'n Crunch...

226 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:51:33pm
McCain rejected the months-old endorsement of Texas preacher John Hagee after an audio recording surfaced in which the preacher said God sent Adolf Hitler to help Jews reach the promised land. McCain called the comment “crazy and unacceptable.”

I have to agree with McCain here. Not only is such a statement “crazy and unacceptable”, I also find it to be disgusting, offensive, and flat out ignorant.

If this Hagee character did indeed say such a thing, then he most certainly deserves to be rejected, repudiated, ridiculed and mocked.

227 Sarge1984  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:51:48pm

re: #187 gop_patriot

I found that from a link somebody posted here, and it's the most entertaining blotter report I've found yet!

228 Karridine  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:51:59pm

re: #222 experiencedtraveller

Yup yop! :D

229 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:52:10pm

re: #181 Allah al Fubar

Make no mistake: This election has been decided by the lame stream media. Any and all criticizism of Barack Hussein (oh I said the name) Obama will be immediately shelved and tossed out as "Racism".

This is precisely what makes him as President such a hellish prospect. Imagine not being able to criticise the President under any circumstances, for fear of being called the big R-word? In the so-called marketplace of ideas, that's as bad as being called a pedophile.

Frankly, I'd take the riots of a few whiny, ignorant black people, over having the country suffer, with all his stupid mistakes evaporating into thin air, explained away with pretzel UnLogic, or just dismissed by false accusations of "racism", while cities abroad (and possibly here at home) are battered and burned by Islamic bombs.

230 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:52:12pm

re: #181 Allah al Fubar

We cannot let Obama win. The country won't survive. He has said he wants to disarm the US, and he has no idea how to prevent Iran from getting nukes, if he really wants to stop them, and that isn't clear.

231 Allah al Fubar  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:52:22pm

Crunch Berries or plain?

I have to have the Crunch Berries.

232 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:52:42pm

re: #215 Maximu§

Uh-oh...looks like a religious knock-down-drag-out-fight coming on.

I got my finger on the "report bat button."

233 Mich-again  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:52:48pm

The specter of a four day weekend looms.

Honeydew or I'll kick your arse list is a scroll by now.

234 jainphx  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:53:28pm

re: #212 Killgore Trout

Not when the teaching of Hagee is taken so badly out of context. Isreal has no better friend than Hagee, and to say other wise is just wrong. The Bible quotes that hunters would be sent to regroup all the children of Israel home, that is what was meant by that statement.

235 LeePro  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:53:40pm

re: #150 gromster

Hagee is also very critical of Roman Catholicism.

I agree with Hagee that many teachings/ practices of Roman Catholicism are false...

Excuse me...?

False, as in... what?!?!?

236 Allah al Fubar  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:53:47pm

re: #230 Kosh's Shadow

We cannot let Obama win. The country won't survive. He has said he wants to disarm the US, and he has no idea how to prevent Iran from getting nukes, if he really wants to stop them, and that isn't clear.

Well what are you going to do about it?

237 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:53:49pm

Quisp or Quake?

238 rawmuse  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:53:50pm

re: #210 unrealizedviewpoint

The officer got it and laughed. Broke him up, actually. The civilian sat grim-faced. I figure that he sunk me. Either that or they figured out that I was way out of warranty.

239 Sarge1984  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:54:21pm

re: #219 savage_nation

I'm with you.

240 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:55:04pm

I see banned people.

241 Allah al Fubar  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:55:10pm

re: #237 unrealizedviewpoint

Quisp. Healthier. And the guy on the box was pretty darned Kool!

242 joecitizen  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:55:20pm

re: #235 LeePro

Excuse me...?

False, as in... what?!?!?


here we go!

243 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:55:41pm

re: #4 Adrenalyn

plus, we need less religion in this world

Nine out of ten imams would disagree.

/the tally would have been unanimous, but they couldn't which cave #10 was hiding in at the time of the survey.

244 The Shadow Do  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:55:43pm

There is no defense of crank preachers from either side of this bruhaha. Call it a wash and move on to the issues please. Any gun owners out there that think they have a right to keep them? Who thinks that the Constitution is a relic subject to modern interpretation? Is your property really yours, are is it gifted by your government? Etc. Etc. Etc.

245 Boogberg  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:56:11pm

About Hagee.

I want to like the guy but man, he's got some pretty kooky ideas. He's like the Christian version of an Islamist. He's a very powerful speaker and he can get heads a noddin'. But in the end he's just another kook.

I think BabbaZee and I got into it over this guy a while back.

246 Sharmuta  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:56:21pm
"The United States must join Israel in a pre-emptive military strike against Iran to fulfill God's plan for both Israel and the West... a biblically prophesied end-time confrontation with Iran, which will lead to the Rapture, Tribulation [...] and [the] Second Coming of Christ."

-john hagee

This is hagee's position in a nutshell, folks. He wants war with iran to bring back Jesus.

247 jainphx  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:56:42pm

re: #221 jaunte

And this is wrong how! he's a preacher this is what preachers do. They preach against sin, and regardless of what any one say's he preaches.

248 gunjam  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:56:42pm

re: #206 Occasional Reader

re: #188 gunjam

That's an interesting "God" you believe it. The one who - according to you - was the author of Auschwitz. Tell me, how do you distinguish your God from a devil?

Are you aware that Christ's enemies referred to him as possessed by Satan?

249 yesandno  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:56:46pm

Must be that straight talk express......

On the one hand, what that idiot stated was horrid.

On the other hand, I hate the nit-picky aspect of having to endorse or reject everyone who donates a dollar to your campaign. And just because Obama sits in his holier then thou position stating that he believes McCain doesn't endorse this idiot's thinking, doesn't mean we shouldn't think that Obama believes what his pastor articulates. Hagee was a person who contributed to McCain's campaign. He wasn't McCain's pastor, mentor, or best bud for 20 years, etc. Obama's pastor, mentor and BFF was Wright (and so horribly wrong). Not equivalent....

Nice try, though, Obama...but we aren't buying. But nice tire tracks...

250 Allah al Fubar  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:57:00pm

Oh crap, do we have to talk about religion and islam?

/I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.

I have to change my name but Charles won't let me. Even with bribes.

251 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:57:04pm

re: #236 Allah al Fubar

Well what are you going to do about it?

I've given a donation to McCain; I'm trying to convince everyone I know to vote for McCain, (although little good since they're all in Moonbattachusetts), and if you have any other ideas, please let me know.

I don't see failure being much of an option here.

252 Mich-again  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:57:09pm

Hagee and Jeremiah Wright..

Demonstrating how the far right eventually reaches the far left.

253 J.S.  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:57:20pm

re: #235 LeePro

Nooooooooooo! Nooooooo! Don't please -- let's not start this....It's futile....People have different beliefs, different conceptions...let's just leave it at that!

254 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:57:29pm
255 Maximu§  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:57:29pm

I'm taking my family motocross riding in the high desert (Mojave) tomorrow...got the motor home gassed up ($480) and the bikes loaded.

anyone else going camping?

256 itellu3times  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:57:30pm

re: #153 rawmuse

rawmuse, I wonder what you were after? I have a friend who was working as a civilian with the LAPD, and wanted to join the department to investigate white-collar crime. Friend was about 50yo at the time, or about ten years past whatever the limit was. He offered to do a footrace with the chief, but the chief declined. He went to the city council to see if they'd raise the limit and let him do the academy, council declined. He went on to other things - finally did become a sworn officer, elsewhere. Then gave that up, too. Stupid PD won't hire a civ for some jobs, won't swear anyone without putting them through academy and street patrol. I see their point, but it doesn't help them much with white collar stuff. Good luck with whatever you're after.

257 pegcity  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:57:54pm

re: #243 Slumbering Behemoth

we need less islam, i dont mind the other religions

258 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:57:56pm

re: #248 gunjam

Are you aware that Christ's enemies referred to him as possessed by Satan?

What's your point?

259 The Other Les  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:59:00pm

re: #243 Slumbering Behemoth

Nine out of ten imams would disagree.

/the tally would have been unanimous, but they couldn't which cave #10 was hiding in at the time of the survey.

I would think that they would want fewer religions in this world.

260 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:59:06pm

re: #234 jainphx

Not when the teaching of Hagee is taken so badly out of context


See #154

261 Sarge1984  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:59:41pm

re: #254 savage_nation

An irreverent classic.

262 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:59:50pm

re: #240 Occasional Reader

Ha!

263 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 22, 2008 8:59:51pm

re: #238 rawmuse

The officer got it and laughed. Broke him up, actually. The civilian sat grim-faced. I figure that he sunk me. Either that or they figured out that I was way out of warranty.

It sounds like the civilian, not getting the humor at all, leaped to conclusions - how you may handle other situations. No intelligence or aptitude test needed to be a civilian. F 'em.

264 jainphx  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:00:01pm

re: #260 Killgore Trout

See his Sermons and then speak.

265 experiencedtraveller  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:00:07pm

re: #246 Sharmuta

Source that Sharmuta. Come on....

266 realwest  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:00:27pm

re: #233 Mich-again

Hey Mich! Uh, how do y'all get a FOUR day weekend out of this?

267 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:00:35pm

re: #241 Allah al Fubar

Quisp. Healthier. And the guy on the box was pretty darned Kool!

You're old if you remember them.

268 Alexander  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:00:43pm

What little enthusiasm I had for McCain is going down by the minute. Like it or not, religious conservatives constitute an integral part of the Republican Party. Parsley may be eccentric, but he's no cultural idiot.

269 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:00:44pm

I think we need a new topic. This one has all the exciting promise of evolution versus intelligent design.

We can go round and round on the merry go round forever. Biblical interpretations, especially those that claim absolute knowledge about how those verses relate to current events, may or may not be correct.

May or may not be correct.

May or may not be correct.

Bye bye...

270 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:00:47pm

re: #252 Mich-again

Demonstrating how the far right eventually reaches the far left.


The Moronic Convergence.

271 Sarge1984  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:00:49pm

re: #266 realwest

Same way I do: take tomorrow off!

272 Allah al Fubar  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:00:49pm

I am looking at buying a jet ski.. But, I already have a sailboat (a really little one). The rocks off shore are brutal and I worry about the impact on impellars. The dealer says it's "okay, lady buy the ski" but I just cant help but think that if I take the ski offshore I will hit bottom on some coral.

help!

273 rawmuse  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:01:08pm

re: #256 itellu3times

Beat cops are making $100k a year here. Sounds good to me.

274 Allah al Fubar  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:01:33pm

re: #267 unrealizedviewpoint

So what about it? I'm old. Okay. So what?

275 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:01:36pm

re: #264 jainphx

See his Sermons and then speak.


Seen, spoken.

276 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:01:37pm

re: #247 jainphx

And this is wrong how! he's a preacher this is what preachers do. They preach against sin, and regardless of what any one say's he preaches.

This is wrong because preaching against sin is an entirely different thing than teaching that God sent Katrina to New Orleans to punish children and old people because the gay folks were going to have a nasty parade.

277 jaunte  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:01:47pm

re: #247 jainphx

He's free to preach all he wants. To suggest that Hurricane Katrina, which hurt bad and good people alike, was a specific judgment against gays, is silly in my opinion. I'm free to point out that his statement is ludicrous.

278 jainphx  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:02:04pm

re: #275 Killgore Trout

No you haven't.

279 DesertSage  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:02:27pm

re: #255 Maximu§

I'm taking my family motocross riding in the high desert (Mojave) tomorrow...got the motor home gassed up ($480) and the bikes loaded.

anyone else going camping?

I would go, but I have other plans :'(

What kind of bike do you ride? We went to Gorman last weekend. It was hotter than hell.

280 The Other Les  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:03:03pm

re: #269 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Sex with Dinosaurs?

281 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:03:25pm

re: #278 jainphx

No you haven't.


Yes, I have.

282 gunjam  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:03:52pm

re: #235 LeePro

I agree with Hagee that many teachings/ practices of Roman Catholicism are false...

Excuse me...?

False, as in... what?!?!?

See the Reformation. See Foxe's Book of Martyrs. See the 39 Articles of Religion. See the Westminster Catechism.

While you may not agree with these Protestant writings, you should be aware that there exists a considerable body of writings that lay out serious biblical disagreements with various tenets of Roman Catholic teaching.

283 jainphx  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:03:52pm

Like I said before swimming up stream. I don't want to alienate all you good people here so I'll refrain.

284 Sharmuta  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:04:13pm

re: #265 experiencedtraveller

Source that Sharmuta. Come on....

But On July 19, 2006, at a CUFI's Washington DC inaugural event, with GOP Party head Ken Mehlman and US GOP Senators Sam Brownback, Rick Santorum, Kay Bailey-Hutchinson and John Cornyn in attendance ( President George W. Bush sent recorded greetings to the event ) , Pastor John Hagee declared :

"The United States must join Israel in a pre-emptive military strike against Iran to fulfill God's plan for both Israel and the West... a biblically prophesied end-time confrontation with Iran, which will lead to the Rapture, Tribulation [...] and [the] Second Coming of Christ."

There you go.

285 Mich-again  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:04:19pm

re: #266 realwest

Hey Mich! Uh, how do y'all get a FOUR day weekend out of this?

6 weeks vacation time plus holidays. But seeing as I get paid to think, time off isn't always a vacation. Ha.

286 The Shadow Do  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:04:29pm

What the hell is this whole phenomena of spiritual leaders immersing themselves and their congregates in politics? Sorry, just don't get it.

287 Allah al Fubar  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:05:00pm

I need a prayer.

For my ... um. dock. It's in bad shape.

Obama can fix my dock.

And everyone will have free gas.

/heh

288 rawmuse  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:05:01pm

re: #282 gunjam

See the Reformation. See Foxe's Book of Martyrs. See the 39 Articles of Religion. See the Westminster Catechism.

While you may not agree with these Protestant writings, you should be aware that there exists a considerable body of writings that lay out serious biblical disagreements with various tenets of Roman Catholic teaching.

They got nailed to the door by M. Luther, as I recall.

289 Mich-again  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:05:21pm

re: #286 The Shadow Do

What the hell is this whole phenomena of spiritual leaders immersing themselves and their congregates in politics? Sorry, just don't get it.

Neither me! If they want ot talk politics, they should lose their tax exempt status.

290 holycrusader  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:05:30pm

I am impressed. This is the totally correct response. Only a political veteran would do this!

Mr. McCain sought to distinguish his ties to Mr. Hagee from Mr. Obama’s with Mr. Wright in his statement, saying: “I have said I do not believe Senator Obama shares Reverend Wright’s extreme views. But let me also be clear, Reverend Hagee was not and is not my pastor or spiritual advisor, and I did not attend his church for twenty years. I have denounced statements he made immediately upon learning of them, as I do again today.

Bring it back to Obama. You sat there for 20 years and didn't find those sermons odd?

291 Maximu§  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:05:34pm

re: #272 Allah al Fubar

I just cant help but think that if I take the ski offshore I will hit bottom on some coral....

Have you seen Jaws? After you see that movie, you'll think twice before riding that little buggy offshore...

292 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:05:48pm

re: #286 The Shadow Do

It does seem to be a new phenomenon. Religion and politics are changing in America.

293 Roger  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:05:49pm

Did too

294 The Shadow Do  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:06:06pm

re: #289 Mich-again

Amen

295 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:06:12pm

re: #293 Roger

Did too

Less filling!

296 MandyManners  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:06:33pm

re: #293 Roger

Did too

Did not.

297 Mich-again  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:06:35pm

re: #293 Roger

Did too

Did not!

uh, what are we taling about?

298 Roger  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:06:35pm

Did not

299 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:06:37pm

re: #68 Sarge1984


No, I don't think it was a bad choice of words, I think it was one individual truthfully voicing his beliefs.

I tend to agree. I would also like to add that, at some point, grown adults must be held accountable for their choice of words, good bad or ugly.

300 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:06:41pm

re: #295 Occasional Reader

Tastes great!

301 DesertSage  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:06:48pm

re: #284 Sharmuta

But On July 19, 2006, at a CUFI's Washington DC inaugural event, with GOP Party head Ken Mehlman and US GOP Senators Sam Brownback, Rick Santorum, Kay Bailey-Hutchinson and John Cornyn in attendance ( President George W. Bush sent recorded greetings to the event ) , Pastor John Hagee declared :

"The United States must join Israel in a pre-emptive military strike against Iran to fulfill God's plan for both Israel and the West... a biblically prophesied end-time confrontation with Iran, which will lead to the Rapture, Tribulation [...] and [the] Second Coming of Christ."

Do you have a link for that? I want to see what he said before and after just so I can get the context.

302 LeePro  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:06:50pm

re: #242 joecitizen

here we go!

Maybe not. I may not want to play with someone that ignorant.

;)

303 slokat  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:06:58pm

re: #250 Allah al Fubar

Oh crap, do we have to talk about religion and islam?

/I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.

I have to change my name but Charles won't let me. Even with bribes.

So next open reg. get a sock & then be the sock!

/simple solutions for complex angsts

304 experiencedtraveller  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:07:01pm

re: #284 Sharmuta

There you go.

Thank you.

305 Mich-again  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:07:09pm

re: #298 Roger

Did not

Did too!

306 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:07:30pm

re: #305 Mich-again

First I did, then I did not.

307 Allah al Fubar  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:07:34pm

re: #291 Maximu§

I just cant help but think that if I take the ski offshore I will hit bottom on some coral....

Have you seen Jaws? After you see that movie, you'll think twice before riding that little buggy offshore...

?

I live in Key West.

308 Mich-again  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:07:59pm

Its Duck hunting season I tell ya!

309 jainphx  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:08:07pm

re: #281 Killgore Trout

I only say that a man that is obviously intelligent and you say you've read the Bible and heard Hagee's sermons, you come to the conclusions that you do. Your posts are for me pleasurable to read except when it comes for your dislike for anything that resembles religion.

310 Roger  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:08:09pm

re: #295 Occasional Reader

Less filling!

Half filling! Ya wanna argue punk?

311 Maximu§  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:08:24pm

re: #279 DesertSage

I would go, but I have other plans :'(

What kind of bike do you ride? We went to Gorman last weekend. It was hotter than hell.

OMG, It was too hot last weekend and Gorman is just too crowded. I just bought a Honda 2008 450x...has'nt even touched the dirt yet.

312 joecitizen  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:08:28pm

re: #288 rawmuse

They got nailed to the door by M. Luther, as I recall.

actually,that'nailed to the door thing' probably never happened and is a quaint folk tale,like much of religion..

313 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:08:47pm

I voted for "did" before I voted for "did not".

314 reno911  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:08:50pm

re: #272 Allah al Fubar

There are these things called "charts". If you are considering taking a vessel where there are "rocks", I strongly recommend you consult one of those "chart" things.

/actually I recommend you got nowhere near the water because you will become a statistic. No offense.

315 Sharmuta  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:09:06pm

re: #301 DesertSage

Sorry- I don't have time right now to do all the research, but I'm sure you or some other Lizard could find it.

Hope all the Lizards have a great night!

316 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:09:15pm

re: #309 jainphx

Your posts are for me pleasurable to read except when it comes for your dislike for anything that resembles religion.


Your god stinks.
/How'd you like them apples?

317 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:09:21pm

re: #274 Allah al Fubar

So what about it? I'm old. Okay. So what?

No offense. I might be too, seeing as I'm the one bringing them up.

318 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:09:51pm

re: #310 Roger

Ya wanna argue punk?

Sure. Do you think it was a legitimate musical expression of disenchantment with the direction of rock in the 70s, or was it merely nihilism?

319 jaunte  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:09:58pm

Didjeridoo

320 Mich-again  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:10:19pm

re: #309 jainphx

I only say that a man that is obviously intelligent and you say you've read the Bible and heard Hagee's sermons, you come to the conclusions that you do.

Fjordman is intelligent and he comes to some really idiotic conclusions.

321 realwest  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:10:38pm

re: #245 Boogberg
Ya know that's sora interesting, cause I searched your comments back to May 1 and didn't see any mention of Babba Zee - who isn't out here tonight - are you sure you "got into it" with her?

322 MandyManners  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:10:55pm

re: #298 Roger

Did not

Did too.

323 Ojoe  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:11:06pm
324 Richard Romano  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:11:08pm

The way the MSN paints this is so absurd -- McCain never spent a minute in Hagee's church, while Obama sat in Wright's church for 20 years, married him, baptized his kids, and provided mentorship -- who are we kidding?

325 Milk Toast Intolerant  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:11:24pm

"God sent several conquerors to punish Israel."

Is the above statement anti-Semitic?

326 gop_patriot  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:11:39pm

re: #227 Sarge1984

The main page, OMG this is too good.
From the second link:

2:53 p.m. A man who had been drinking fell asleep in the 100 block of South G Street with his pantaloons at insufficient altitude to forestall indecency. Police consulted with the bare-butted booze-woozed bibulant, who wasn’t drunk enough to arrest and wandered off on his own aromatic steam.

X)

327 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:11:41pm

re: #298 Roger

Did not

Reporting everyone!

328 Allah al Fubar  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:11:43pm

re: #314 reno911

There are these things called "charts". If you are considering taking a vessel where there are "rocks", I strongly recommend you consult one of those "chart" things.

/actually I recommend you got nowhere near the water because you will become a statistic. No offense.

Reno, I rectumend that you stay up in the desert and leave chartering waters to those who know what they are doing.

No offense, but geeze oh petes I'm tempted to whale on you right now. But I shall refrain because your mind surely is clouded with the dust of nevada.

329 Opilio  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:12:01pm

re: #288 rawmuse

They got nailed to the door by M. Luther, as I recall.

That was actually The 95 Theses on the Power of Indulgences

330 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:12:04pm

re: #319 jaunte

Nice. I have a 5 foot didgeridoo and I love playing it. Very meditative

331 joecitizen  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:12:11pm

re: #316 Killgore Trout

Your god stinks.
/How'd you like them apples?


Newton!

332 rawmuse  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:12:14pm

re: #324 Richard Romano

The way the MSN paints this is so absurd -- McCain never spent a minute in Hagee's church, while Obama sat in Wright's church for 20 years, married him, baptized his kids, and provided mentorship -- who are we kidding?

There you go, thinking rationally. Have you learned nothing?

333 MandyManners  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:12:17pm

re: #318 Occasional Reader

Sure. Do you think it was a legitimate musical expression of disenchantment with the direction of rock in the 70s, or was it merely nihilism?

Bad acid.

334 Allah al Fubar  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:12:22pm

re: #317 unrealizedviewpoint

I know, sorry.

335 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:12:47pm

re: #331 joecitizen

Newton was an ass.

336 mikeymom  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:13:01pm

re: #322 MandyManners

no you di'int (did i spell that right?)

337 jaunte  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:13:13pm

re: #330 Killgore Trout

Is this the part where everyone slaps their didjeridoos on the table?

338 Roger  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:13:18pm

I'm sitting here behind a lousy proxy so can only update so fast and now laughing so hard at the flurry over just two words and the way the thread was going:-)

339 slokat  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:13:20pm

re: #312 joecitizen

Actually, it did happen... would you like a text of the ninety five thesis?

340 jainphx  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:13:22pm

re: #316 Killgore Trout

I'm Sorry, I didn't mean to make you upset. There is nothing you can say that will make me not love my fellow man. I'll leave this site if that s what you want. I love G-D and always will.

341 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:13:29pm

re: #325 Milk Toast Intolerant

"God sent several conquerors to punish Israel."

Is the above statement anti-Semitic?

I'd say it was pretty arrogant for someone to claim to know the will of God. Imagine that?

342 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:13:30pm

re: #334 Allah al Fubar

I know, sorry.

Too late. I reported you already.
/

343 DesertSage  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:13:32pm

re: #311 Maximu§

OMG, It was too hot last weekend and Gorman is just too crowded. I just bought a Honda 2008 450x...has'nt even touched the dirt yet.

It wasn't that crowded. My first choice is to go to Dove Springs, but it's too far when it's so hot.

The 450X will be my next bike, right now I ride an XR650.

344 Sarge1984  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:13:55pm

re: #326 gop_patriot

See? Priceless, I tell you. Priceless. I wish the Arizona Daily Star's writing was as entertaining.

345 Allah al Fubar  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:14:30pm

re: #337 jaunte

Is this the part where everyone slaps their didjeridoos on the table?

Huh? hahahaaa

Mandy first

/she doesn't know I'm a woman.

346 jaybird  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:15:00pm

What we have here is the difference between a 20 minute photo op and a 20 year relationship.

347 reno911  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:15:28pm

re: #328 Allah al Fubar

Allah,

I live in Florida. I am a licensed Master Mariner (unlimited tonnage). You want to talk about the sea. I have spent my entire life there. For the record, I have only driven through the desert a couple of times.

348 lostlakehiker  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:15:33pm

Under the bus is right where Hagee belongs. McCain cannot allow that toxic raver to be on his bus.

349 mikeymom  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:15:37pm

re: #337 jaunte

i dont got no diderrooj--one of those things--and if i did i wouldn't slap it-cause that would be didger-umm abuse

350 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:15:41pm

re: #346 jaybird

What we have here is the difference between a 20 minute photo op and a 20 year relationship.

That's the line.
DingDingDing!

351 joecitizen  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:15:49pm

re: #335 Killgore Trout

Newton was an ass.


Fig!(is what I meant)

352 Richard Romano  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:15:59pm

re: #332 rawmuse

I know I know, forgive me :)

353 realwest  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:16:12pm

re: #273 rawmuse Beat cops make $100K a year where you are? Uh, where is that again? A brand spanking new NYC beat cop (not on probation) makes, iirc, $21,000 for six months then gets kicked all the way up to $24,000 a year until he either gets promoted or is on active duty status for two more years.
I think cops and firefighters are probably the two worst paying jobs (given what they give to all of us) around.

354 Syrah  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:16:21pm

Has Obama rejected the endorsement of Hamas?

355 Milk Toast Intolerant  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:16:27pm

re: #341 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I'd say it was pretty arrogant for someone to claim to know the will of God. Imagine that?

Would it be arrogant to say God loves us and wants us to be in good health and be rich?

356 Allah al Fubar  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:16:31pm

re: #340 jainphx

I'm Sorry, I didn't mean to make you upset. There is nothing you can say that will make me not love my fellow man. I'll leave this site if that s what you want. I love G-D and always will.

Yo, Jain:

We all feel the pain. Most of us use this blog to have a bit of relief, a bit of fun and laughter. Lighten up, babe. We're with you. Okay?

Stay with us... laugh a little. You deserve it.

357 Allah al Fubar  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:16:59pm

re: #347 reno911

Well then baby... LET'S GO FISHING!

358 DesertSage  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:17:10pm

re: #340 jainphx

I'm Sorry, I didn't mean to make you upset. There is nothing you can say that will make me not love my fellow man. I'll leave this site if that s what you want. I love G-D and always will.

Don't leave this site. And especially not because of Killgore. He likes to push peoples buttons.
Just push back and he'll start crying like a little girl.

359 LeePro  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:17:15pm

re: #282 gunjam

...serious biblical disagreements with various tenets of Roman Catholic teaching

Like I said... as in what?

360 joecitizen  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:17:33pm

re: #339 slokat

Actually, it did happen... would you like a text of the ninety five thesis?


I realize the theses exist..I was referring specifically to the 'nailing to the church door' part of it..

361 wolfie  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:18:06pm

re: #324 Richard Romano

The way the MSN paints this is so absurd -- McCain never spent a minute in Hagee's church, while Obama sat in Wright's church for 20 years, married him, baptized his kids, and provided mentorship -- who are we kidding?

The MSM and the Obamaniacs (redundant) are trying to draw a moral equivalence here, although as you point out, it is absurd.

362 Roger  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:18:39pm

re: #348 lostlakehiker

Under the bus is right where Hagee belongs. McCain cannot allow that toxic raver to be on his bus [to a forgotten about career and swift retirement] .

Fix that for you.

Most conservatives and their friends will stay home and work for their communities come November.

363 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:18:47pm
364 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:19:04pm

re: #353 realwest

a tad higher

365 gunjam  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:19:06pm

re: #359 LeePro

Like I said... as in what?

I just gave you some resources. Have you referred to any of them, yet?

366 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:19:12pm
367 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:19:52pm

re: #319 jaunte

Didjeridoo
[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Didjeridon't!

(this is the disagreement thread, right?)

368 Roger  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:20:12pm

re: #354 Syrah

Has Obama rejected the endorsement of Hamas?

That one's without preconditions

369 rawmuse  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:20:21pm

re: #353 realwest

Starting salary here is about $80k, but since they are so understaffed, with overtime, plus court appearances, everyone I know on the force is making more than $100k and up to $150k.

I live in San Francisco.

I find that figure for NYPD really low!

370 Sarge1984  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:20:28pm

Uncle!

Weet dreams, all.

371 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:20:32pm

re: #355 Milk Toast Intolerant

Would it be arrogant to say God loves us and wants us to be in good health and be rich?

It would be your opinion. Nothing more and nothing less. Putting feelings and desires as part of who God is is a natural humanization type of characterization of that we cannot see.

Proclaiming to understand the actions and will of God is on a slightly different plane. Neither do I assume to be correct or incorrect, but arrogance only implies to the statement to which I first responded.

372 jainphx  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:20:44pm

re: #356 Allah al Fubar

I would sure like to. Look I'm 67 years old lived a life that few have lived. THe only thing that saved me was faith and prayer. I emptied more gin bottles and gambled away a fortune. Now in my old age I see others going down that path and want to stop them.

373 Allah al Fubar  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:21:08pm

re: #360 joecitizen

Oh, I know that part!

Jesus curses the pharisees for shutting out the Kingdom from those who wish to enter.

Still rings true to today... those who want to 'enter' are shut out by the big holy rollers that think that they hold the keys...

old story.. same result. YOU hold the key, YOU walk through the door, whether spiritual or physical.. YOU hold the key.

/.2$

374 experiencedtraveller  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:22:08pm

We challenge Senator McCain because of slight ideological differences.Yet we sit, smug and aware, that the opposing candidate will be a weakened Obama or a despised Clinton.

It is a mistake. We should rally around McCain now.

375 Boogberg  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:22:11pm

re: #321 realwest

Ya know that's sora interesting, cause I searched your comments back to May 1 and didn't see any mention of Babba Zee - who isn't out here tonight - are you sure you "got into it" with her?

I think it was well over a year ago, realwest. Way, WAY back. :D

376 jaunte  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:22:11pm

re: #367 Occasional Reader

No it isn't!

377 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:22:26pm

re: #340 jainphx

. I'll leave this site if that s what you want.


This is not my site. Stay or go, I have nothing to say about it.

378 Allah al Fubar  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:22:30pm

re: #363 song_and_dance_manGood


Good to know, my friend.

Never cast your beautiful pearls amongst the swine. For they willl.....

379 Richard Romano  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:23:06pm

re: #361 wolfie

True true -- but notice how the MSM never points out these basic facts? They just assume the context is the same -- essentially insulting their readership's intelligence by assuming they won't ask questions...and, sadly, most don't! Ergo, Obamamania.

380 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:23:11pm

re: #351 joecitizen

ha!

381 joecitizen  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:23:50pm

re: #378 Allah al Fubar

Good


Good to know, my friend.

Never cast your beautiful pearls amongst the swine. For they willl.....


pawn them and buy beer..

382 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:24:04pm

re: #97 autoexec

All religious folks believe everything is from God, including Hitler. The problem seems to be people think that he meant Hitler himself was good - which i highly doubt.

The statement...

God sent Adolf Hitler to help Jews reach the promised land.


...does not sound to me that Hagee is saying Hitler was a good person, it sounds to me that Hagee is insinuating that Hitler was specifically sent by God to do the despicable things that he did, and that those horrible things eventually benefited the Jewish people.

I would not be surprised in the least to hear that people of the Jewish faith find Hagee's statement to be disgusting and repellent. I find it to be disgusting and repellent.

383 MilkOfMalfeasance  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:24:46pm

re: #253 J.S.

Nooooooooooo! Nooooooo! Don't please -- let's not start this....It's futile....People have different beliefs, different conceptions...let's just leave it at that!

I second that.

384 Allah al Fubar  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:24:46pm

re: #372 jainphx

I would sure like to. Look I'm 67 years old lived a life that few have lived. THe only thing that saved me was faith and prayer. I emptied more gin bottles and gambled away a fortune. Now in my old age I see others going down that path and want to stop them.

I understand completely. But you have to choose the right forum; many here will be receptive, but many of us grow weary and our hearts wax cold from the world that we live in. So, we rely on a bit of humor. Those of us who have faith know in our hearts that time is short, so why not have a bit of fun?

/turns away preachers at me door. I know the Way

385 realwest  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:24:49pm

re: #354 Syrah I think he didn't before he did!

386 slokat  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:25:28pm

re: #360 joecitizen

The posting of bans on the church door was a part of the custom of the day... this one act created such a stir, because of the content of the thesis, that it started the reformation & caused Luther to be a heretic.

Not a myth, plenty of documentation, simple history.

/I think there are even some fossils from the event in the Smithsonian

387 Alexander  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:25:35pm

My only question now is what religious conservative's endorsement would he accept?

McCain must have a lot of disposable friends.

388 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:25:44pm

re: #384 Allah al Fubar

What a wonderful response.

389 Vikingstar  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:25:51pm

Speaking as an "Evangelical Zionist", I see the return of Israel as a pretty direct fulfillment of lots of scriptures. Assuming that this is true, would God gather His people back to Israel in order to allow them to be killed? The same scriptures (Ezekial chapters 36-39, for example) that talk about the Jews returning also predict that God will supernaturally protect them against their enemies. It seems to me that you have to be alive to be protected.

390 Maximu§  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:26:16pm

re: #343 DesertSage

It wasn't that crowded. My first choice is to go to Dove Springs, but it's too far when it's so hot.

The 450X will be my next bike, right now I ride an XR650.

Lol, Dove Springs is exactly where we are going with a large group. I like riding the trail #103 that goes past the hill everyone camps at and then to the #328 and to the #47 and onwards....our rides usually average about 30-50 miles.

I guess your XR650 is street legal too? Thats one big machine...I also have a 2005 250x thats almost perfect, but the dealer offered me only $2000 trade in value for it and I thought I may as well just keep it....now my Garage is really full.

Do you have an RV?

391 Richard Romano  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:26:31pm

re: #372 jainphx

I would sure like to. Look I'm 67 years old lived a life that few have lived. THe only thing that saved me was faith and prayer. I emptied more gin bottles and gambled away a fortune. Now in my old age I see others going down that path and want to stop them.

God bless you Jainphx -- but remember, people need to live their own lives, and come to the same conclusions as you have, God willing. God's light shines in and through us; He'll make the seed grow (1 Cor. 3:7).

392 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:26:33pm
393 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:26:33pm

re: #382 Slumbering Behemoth

Hagee is insinuating that Hitler was specifically sent by God to do the despicable things that he did, and that those horrible things eventually benefited the Jewish people.


So the holocaust was good for Jews? I think it's important to separate Biblical interpretation and reality here. The holocaust was in no way beneficial to Jews.

394 abolitionist  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:26:37pm

re: #154 Charles

Hagee was not misquoted or taken out of context. Here's the recording:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Yes, that's a pretty effed-up [mis-]interpretation of OT scripture.

Considering that he also seems to have embraced the meme that AIDS is a genocidal tool of the Great Satan (much as Louis Farrakhan, Mahlik Zulu Shabazz, James Cone and Rev Wright have) I have to wonder where he got those ideas.

395 Occasional Reader  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:26:37pm

I'm going to bed!

(Are not!)

AM, TOO!

Good night.

(BAD night!)

Oh, shut up.

396 Suzette  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:27:05pm

re: #221 jaunte

Hagee on Hurricane Katrina:

By his reasoning it doesn't explain Hurricane Rita which was bad also.
/I know I experienced it.

397 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:27:44pm

Hagee strikes me as a nut.

I've never heard of Parsley before today, but his comments about Islam seemed fine to me.

The trick with these TV preachers is to just keep your distance. If they offer their endorsement, smile but don't say thanks....and never show up to shake their hand.

398 jainphx  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:27:47pm

re: #391 Richard Romano

THank you!

399 Kepler Sings  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:28:09pm

McCain rejected the months-old endorsement of Texas preacher John Hagee after an audio recording surfaced in which the preacher said God sent Adolf Hitler to help Jews reach the promised land.

So nobody but Hagee has noticed that the Jews would not have had that small window of possibility of becoming a nation again if the horrible Holocaust, that the world ignored while it happened, had never occurred? Not saying God made this happen, don't know Hagee's exact quote, but I detect a hell of a lot of disingenuous outrage place on this statement.

It is nearly a historical fact that the Holocaust is maybe, just maybe, the only thing that could have made it possible for the Jews to regain their homeland, and even then it was barely won, what with the asshole stand of the Brits, and America not much help either.

400 M. Bensson-Levi  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:28:20pm

Howdy all,

Hope that I'm not too late.

Catholics, all Christians, for that matter, break the first commandment, "Thou shalt have no G-d before Me". Jews are extremely exclusive, and damned smug about their "chosen people" nonsense, which is why they are universally despised, and generally of short stature. Hindus are polytheistic idol worshipers, and Shintoists are primitive ancestor worshipers. Buddhists are basically nihilists with a prophet, and an "8 fold path" to nothingness. Animists are the true "tree huggers", and Muslims are satanic psychopaths, as we all know. All the other religions are even worse, including Atheism.

I feel like Eris, after she rolled the Golden Apple into the god's feast. :-) Greek Polytheism is also flawed, and not the "True Way".

Discuss this among yourselves, while I go get a snack.

401 realwest  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:28:31pm

re: #362 Roger Hey Roger, I sure hope you're wrong about that - if most conservatives and their friends stay home on election day, then not only will we wind up with Obama as POTUS (assuming, of course, he does in fact get the nomination) but a helluva lot more Democrat Senators and Congressmen.
McCain was certainly not my first or second or maybe even third choice, but he's a whole HELLUVA LOT BETTER than Obama with a Dem controlled congress.

402 Allah al Fubar  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:29:13pm

re: #381 joecitizen

pawn them and buy beer..

Blasphemy. Okay, off with your head.

/as long as I don't have to see it, like, actually being chopped off or anything.. or stoning you.. or anything like that, or throwing you off a building or anything like that..

OMG Just Kidding

403 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:29:13pm

re: #397 Ringo the Gringo

The trick with these TV preachers is to just keep your distance.

You need experience Dr. Gene Scott
He's outright insane - A laugh a minute.

404 LeePro  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:29:18pm

re: #321 realwest

Ya know that's sora interesting, cause I searched your comments back to May 1 and didn't see any mention of Babba Zee - who isn't out here tonight - are you sure you "got into it" with her?

Good catch!

Hi, {realwest}!

405 Maximu§  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:29:39pm

My wife is watching another one of her stupid "reality" shows...this one concerns the life of a Meter-Maid.

406 realwest  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:30:10pm

re: #364 unrealizedviewpoint Whoa, they sure changed things since I left! Good for 'em too, but even at those salaries I think they are underpaid.

407 The Other Les  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:30:12pm

re: #400 M. Bensson-Levi

Hail Eris!

408 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:30:34pm

re: #101 MandyManners

Yo' momma' wears army boots.

My momma does, and she could stomp a waffle pattern in yer butt so fast that Obama would be finished eating before you had a chance to ask any questions.

/don't know if that makes any sense, but it was meant to be a joke

409 MandyManners  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:31:03pm

re: #400 M. Bensson-Levi

Talk about a holy hand grenade.

410 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:31:03pm

re: #403 unrealizedviewpoint

You need experience Dr. Gene Scott
He's outright insane - A laugh a minute.

I used to live a few blocks away from his church in Los Angeles.

Great entertainment....a first class nutcase.

411 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:31:03pm

re: #400 M. Bensson-Levi

I wonder what he really thinks?

412 realwest  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:31:30pm

re: #369 rawmuse Well I was wrong - as unrealizedviewpoint pointed out to me in his #364.

413 MandyManners  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:31:39pm

re: #408 Slumbering Behemoth

Oh, I took it as such. I'm smiling.

414 joecitizen  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:31:45pm

re: #386 slokat

The posting of bans on the church door was a part of the custom of the day... this one act created such a stir, because of the content of the thesis, that it started the reformation & caused Luther to be a heretic.

Not a myth, plenty of documentation, simple history.

/I think there are even some fossils from the event in the Smithsonian


actually things kinda rolled out over a fairly long period of time though these theses were obviously crucial..this 'act' did not 'cause' Luther to be a heretic,he had been heretical for quite some time..history is never 'simple'..have never been to this smithsonian of which you speak,wazzit,some kinda museum or sumpin'?/////

415 MilkOfMalfeasance  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:31:49pm

re: #399 Kepler Sings

McCain rejected the months-old endorsement of Texas preacher John Hagee after an audio recording surfaced in which the preacher said God sent Adolf Hitler to help Jews reach the promised land.

So nobody but Hagee has noticed that the Jews would not have had that small window of possibility of becoming a nation again if the horrible Holocaust, that the world ignored while it happened, had never occurred? Not saying God made this happen, don't know Hagee's exact quote, but I detect a hell of a lot of disingenuous outrage place on this statement.

It is nearly a historical fact that the Holocaust is maybe, just maybe, the only thing that could have made it possible for the Jews to regain their homeland, and even then it was barely won, what with the asshole stand of the Brits, and America not much help either.

Thats the first time I have heard that line of thought. Yeesh. I always thought the US and UK sacrificed a lot.

416 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:32:46pm
417 realwest  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:32:58pm

re: #375 Boogberg Oh ok, my memory hardly goes back that far these days! Although I do find it hard to believe that she would support him.

418 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:33:01pm

re: #406 realwest

Whoa, they sure changed things since I left! Good for 'em too, but even at those salaries I think they are underpaid.

$35,000 leaves $5000 for food after the rent is paid. :)

419 DesertSage  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:33:04pm

re: #390 Maximu§

Yes, the 650 is street legal. I do a lot of dual-sport rides. LA-B2V last year.
I don't have an RV, but one of the guys that I ride with all the time does, so we just use his.

If you ever want to sell the 250X let me know, my son is looking for one.

420 Allah al Fubar  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:33:08pm

re: #389 Vikingstar

Speaking as an "Evangelical Zionist", I see the return of Israel as a pretty direct fulfillment of lots of scriptures. Assuming that this is true, would God gather His people back to Israel in order to allow them to be killed? The same scriptures (Ezekial chapters 36-39, for example) that talk about the Jews returning also predict that God will supernaturally protect them against their enemies. It seems to me that you have to be alive to be protected.

The key to the Scriptures in in the times. It will be ten more years.

Everything happens in 70 year increments. Ten years.

421 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:33:39pm

re: #405 Maximu§

this one concerns the life of a Meter-Maid.


I find it fascinating that we've become culturally obsessed with people that actually work for a living: Fishermen, loggers, cooks, truckdrivers, etc/. It does not bode well for us as a civilization.

422 rawmuse  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:34:07pm

re: #412 realwest

Well I was wrong - as unrealizedviewpoint pointed out to me in his #364.

check it out for yourself, I did :)

423 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:34:15pm

re: #410 Ringo the Gringo

I used to live a few blocks away from his church in Los Angeles.

Great entertainment....a first class nutcase.

I'm gonna check the TV listings and see if he's still on.

424 NY Nana  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:34:58pm

re: #160 jainphx

He hasn't said anything disparaging to the Jews.

Sorry, but as a Jew I found it as offensive and Jew-hating as anything I have seen. And I sadly know Jew-hate when I see it. It is far, far worse than Ann Coulter's disgusting 'Jews need to be perfected' statement.

We brought on the Holocaust? May G-d forgive him for what he essentially said. I cannot.

Please see Charles' post #154.

I will still vote for McCain, but am not that happy about it after seeing this, but there is just no other option.

The 2 Demonrats are both vile....and dangerous to our country. McCain is neither of those 2 things .

425 reine.de.tout  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:34:58pm

re: #396 Suzette

By his reasoning it doesn't explain Hurricane Rita which was bad also.
/I know I experienced it.

Rita was at least just as destructive as Katrina, only in places nobody ever heard of. I know, here in BR we experienced BOTH of 'em, and Rita was worse on me than Katrina.

426 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:35:03pm

re: #414 joecitizen

actually things kinda rolled out over a fairly long period of time though these theses were obviously crucial..this 'act' did not 'cause' Luther to be a heretic,he had been heretical for quite some time..history is never 'simple'..have never been to this smithsonian of which you speak,wazzit,some kinda museum or sumpin'?/////

What, you never watched the Smithsons?

427 slokat  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:35:16pm

re: #414 joecitizen

So, you've studied Luther? And the reformation...

I have most of his l;etters, sermons & writings and all the books ever written about him at my disposal. In German or English.

428 realwest  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:35:51pm

re: #395 Occasional Reader Less Filling!

429 Milk Toast Intolerant  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:36:11pm

re: #371 really grumpy big dog Johnson

It would be your opinion. Nothing more and nothing less. Putting feelings and desires as part of who God is is a natural humanization type of characterization of that we cannot see.

Proclaiming to understand the actions and will of God is on a slightly different plane. Neither do I assume to be correct or incorrect, but arrogance only implies to the statement to which I first responded.

Fair enough. However, I believe there are some things God do want us to know about, sometimes before and sometimes after they happened. I have a little interest in biblical prophecy, because I am curious to know if and how the world I live in will be impacted by the current religious and political events. Looking back at the parable about the fig tree, the vast majority of bible scholars link that parable to the rebirth of Israel. You might call that arrogance. Looking forward to the future, if the rapture should happen, what then? Will you consider it arrogance or perceptive discernment? In the Bible, God basically said over and over that He would tell us these things so that we wouldn't be surprised when they happen, but He's not going to lay it out in layman's terms for the wicked to see, too.

430 slokat  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:36:19pm

re: #427 slokat

Pimf: a stray ; showed up in that post...

431 joecitizen  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:36:28pm

re: #403 unrealizedviewpoint

You need experience Dr. Gene Scott
He's outright insane - A laugh a minute.


and also very dead with a wacko witch left in his place..fitting,somehow..

432 Adrenalyn  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:36:36pm

re: #52 Ojoe

No, I think we need better religion.

The human will always want religion.

astoundingly well made point

433 realwest  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:37:16pm

re: #404 LeePro Hey there {Lee} must be a full moon out tonight, no?!

434 Roger  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:38:42pm

Why could a fellow like J.R. McKinney's aim be so true and his hand unwavering while being shot at and while shooting back?

/Never forget the poor men of Lyons.

435 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:39:05pm

re: #410 Ringo the Gringo

I used to live a few blocks away from his church in Los Angeles.

Great entertainment....a first class nutcase.

Dr. Gene Scott
24/7 nutcase pre-recorded entertainment

436 Kepler Sings  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:39:10pm

If it has not been pointed out in this thread, Hagee is one of the first major Evangelicals to bring Christians and Jews together and has received death threats for his stand with Jews and Israel, his "Night to Honor Israel," conventions brings millions of dollars to help persecuted Jews reach Israel, and many groups come to those conventions to distribute literature about the evil Christians have done to Jews through history, he encourages Christianity to repent to the Jews for ages of persecution.

I think he can be allowed his viewpoints of God directing human history, even if it is in error, who here would know otherwise? Maybe like Hagee you know God's thinking and planning. The irony of all the intolerance and error broadcast in the name of hating intolerance.

437 Allah al Fubar  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:39:10pm

re: #400 M. Bensson-Levi

Howdy all,

Hope that I'm not too late.

Catholics, all Christians, for that matter, break the first commandment, "Thou shalt have no G-d before Me". Jews are extremely exclusive, and damned smug about their "chosen people" nonsense, which is why they are universally despised, and generally of short stature. Hindus are polytheistic idol worshipers, and Shintoists are primitive ancestor worshipers. Buddhists are basically nihilists with a prophet, and an "8 fold path" to nothingness. Animists are the true "tree huggers", and Muslims are satanic psychopaths, as we all know. All the other religions are even worse, including Atheism.

I feel like Eris, after she rolled the Golden Apple into the god's feast. :-) Greek Polytheism is also flawed, and not the "True Way".

Discuss this among yourselves, while I go get a snack.

Well, let me tell you something mister M. Benson Levi:

We will stand together on the Last Day.

And, this is a fact. Whether you like it or not, you'll have to stand with us dirty scoundrel Christians, Buddhists and others who come to your aid in the worst of times. We are all unwashed. We protect one another in times of need. We will not forsake our brethren. You are not elevated amongst the masses because of the chance of your birth.

Love One Another.

438 LeePro  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:39:57pm

re: #349 mikeymom

i dont got no diderrooj--one of those things--and if i did i wouldn't slap it-cause that would be didger-umm abuse

ROFLMAO

439 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:40:16pm

re: #423 unrealizedviewpoint

I'm gonna check the TV listings and see if he's still on.

If he is, it'll be a re-run...He died a few years ago.

440 M. Bensson-Levi  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:40:32pm

re: #422 rawmuse

San Fran Cisco! What the hell's the matter with you!

A sharp guy like you, and you couldn't figure out that if you spoke with a light, swishy lithp, and emulated gay mannerisms, you be walkin' that beat right now!

441 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:40:42pm

re: #431 joecitizen

and also very dead with a wacko witch left in his place..fitting,somehow..

I had no idea.

442 joecitizen  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:40:48pm

re: #427 slokat

So, you've studied Luther? And the reformation...

I have most of his l;etters, sermons & writings and all the books ever written about him at my disposal. In German or English.


cool..and yet all of that and 3 bucks'll buy ya a beer..rabble rouser lover..heh

443 The Other Les  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:41:09pm

re: #421 Killgore Trout

I find it fascinating that we've become culturally obsessed with people that actually work for a living: Fishermen, loggers, cooks, truckdrivers, etc/. It does not bode well for us as a civilization.

I don't see how the virtual glorification of the productive would constitute a symptom of societal decay.

But then I like to read Ayn Rand.

444 slokat  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:41:12pm

re: #433 realwest

Intellicast claims that it is "Waning Gibbous"

445 realwest  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:41:22pm

re: #421 Killgore Trout
Hey Killgore - I'm not really so sure we're all that fascinated by them, but they are cheap TV shows to produce and with all the money the MSM is losing for the networks, they hadda come up with some way to make more money than they spend!

Secret confession: I like watching some of those shows cause I really don't know what some of those occupations entail (like Ice Road Truckers, for example).

446 Boogberg  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:41:33pm

re: #417 realwest

Oh ok, my memory hardly goes back that far these days! Although I do find it hard to believe that she would support him.

Hell, Maybe it wasn't her. I don't remember exactly how we got on the subject of Hagee at the time but for some reason her name is lodged in my memory. I guess I should go back and check.

447 rawmuse  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:41:57pm

re: #440 M. Bensson-Levi

Story of my life...

448 Maximu§  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:42:05pm

re: #419 DesertSage

Yes, the 650 is street legal. I do a lot of dual-sport rides. LA-B2V last year.
I don't have an RV, but one of the guys that I ride with all the time does, so we just use his.

If you ever want to sell the 250X let me know, my son is looking for one.

Its perfect, I put a "Hot wheels" sticker kit on it and its never been crashed....well, not seriously.

I heard Honda is doing fuel injection on the 450x next year....so thats what you should wait for. Course I have no patience because I'm sick of getting dusted by all my friends when we drag race down the desert trails.

449 Suzette  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:42:26pm

re: #425 reine.de.tout

Rita was at least just as destructive as Katrina, only in places nobody ever heard of. I know, here in BR we experienced BOTH of 'em, and Rita was worse on me than Katrina.

Hurricane Rita was devesating! It wiped the beach town of Holly Beach completely off the map. It was heatbreaking to see so much damage.
And a very scary storm! Sorry you had to experience both!

450 slokat  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:42:36pm

re: #442 joecitizen

One reason he married his wife (the former nun) was that she brewed the best beer in town...

451 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:43:56pm

I like my pastor. Last night, since my Boss is in town, went out for a coupla beers. My preacher is there with a fella I go to church with (fella's havin' a beer). Pretty girl came in sat half the bar away.

As my pastor was leaving he came up behind me and said smugly "Yield not to temptation, my son." To which I replied, "Well as long as you're here I won't!"

452 joecitizen  Thu, May 22, 2008 9:44:33pm