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Mainstreaming Terrorism to Sell Donuts

Fri, May 23, 2008 at 8:43:06 am PDT

I didn’t believe this story when people first started emailing about it; but sure enough, it’s true. Dunkin Donuts, the venerable old fried dough seller, is the latest American firm to casually promote the symbol of Palestinian terrorism and the intifada, the kaffiyeh, via Rachael Ray: Dunkin’ Breakfast Choices.

Here’s an LGF search with many previous examples of the mainstreaming of the kaffiyeh. I’m actually getting hate mail from Rachael Ray supporters (!) but this isn’t happening in a vacuum, and Ray is not the first celebrity to show up wearing one of these.

UPDATE at 5/23/08 12:35:54 pm:

This isn’t just my lonely opinion; for more on the kaffiyeh as the symbol of Palestinian terrorism (they don’t call it that, of course), see the “Magazine of the Party for Socialism and Liberation:” The Palestinian kaffiyeh: a symbol of solidarity [S&L Magazine].

For those who participated in the massive demonstrations against the war in Iraq, the black and white checkered cloth worn around the head and shoulders of many demonstrators was a familiar sight. This cloth is the Palestinian kaffiyeh. It is the headdress traditionally worn by Palestinian men.

The history of the use of the kaffiyeh in the struggle for justice in Palestine demonstrates why it has become a symbol for all people who struggle for unity against colonial occupation and oppression around the world.

In the early 1900s, the British occupied many countries in the Middle East, including Palestine. The Palestinians strongly fought against British occupation by uniting. They used all forms of resistance.

Once the British realized they could not exist as colonizers in Palestine without facing the resistance movement, they tried to deceive the Palestinians. They promised them independence while at the same time protecting Zionist Jewish settlers. The Zionists—mostly immigrants from Europe—were forcibly taking land and resources from the largely unarmed indigenous inhabitants of Palestine.

The kaffiyeh first became a popular symbol of Palestinian resistance in the 1930s, with the emergence of organized armed resistance to the continuing theft of land. Most of the resistance fighters were peasants who traditionally wore kaffiyehs and lived in the mountains or small villages. The fashionable fez was worn by townspeople and city dwellers.

To escape capture, resistance fighters hid in cities and towns. But, wearing kaffiyehs, they were easy to spot. The British arrested any peasant wearing the headdress to crush the resistance.

In response, all Palestinian men, whether from towns or villages, began to wear the Palestinian kaffiyeh. They also stopped carrying identification cards so resistance fighters would not be exposed. These actions by all sectors of Palestinian society signified overwhelming support for those carrying out the resistance.

In the 1960s, the kaffiyeh was renewed as a symbol of resistance as Palestinians escalated armed resistance in response to Israel’s 1967 invasion and occupation of the West Bank and Gaza. The resistance captured the world’s attention when Leila Khaled and other members of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine—a Marxist group —wore kaffiyehs while hijacking five international airliners. These operations drew attention to the Palestinian struggle.

The kaffiyeh was made most popular by the late Yassir Arafat. He wore it draped around his head in the shape of historic Palestine throughout his years of participation in the resistance movement, then as president of the Palestinian National Authority.

The Palestinians have endured decades of brutal colonial occupation and exile. Their heroic struggle for freedom has inspired people around the world. Thousands of women and men, young and old, now wear the kaffiyeh proudly as a symbol of resistance and solidarity with the Palestinian struggle.

UPDATE at 5/23/08 6:00:44 pm:

A reply from Dunkin’ Donuts’ Customer Service, at Exurban League.

UPDATE at 5/24/08 8:33:21 am:

As usual, the see-no-evil monkeys on the left are pointing at this post and screeching:

Another reason to hate Rachael Ray - War Room - Salon.com

Greetings From Space: Conservatives Shocked At Dunkin’ Donuts’ Terrorist Ties

Of course, the fact that terrorists and terror sympathizers explicitly say that the kaffiyeh is a symbol of Palestinian “resistance” doesn’t get in the way of their ignorant mockery.

I thought my point was obvious: this kind of promotion of an acknowledged, well-known symbol of terrorism is not a good thing. I didn’t say Dunkin’ Donuts or Rachael Ray had “terrorist ties,” or that “all Palestinians are terrorists,” but that never stops these people from deliberately misconstruing my points.

UPDATE at 5/25/08 8:50:15 am:

Dunkin’ Donuts has now pulled the advertisement: Dunkin’ Donuts Pulls ‘Kaffiyeh’ Advertisement.

UPDATE at 5/28/08 5:10:09 pm:

Also see:
The Kaffiyeh Controversy

UPDATE at 5/30/08 12:53:40 pm:

Also see:
Another Kaffiyeh Wearer Gets in Trouble

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1 madisonsfriend  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:44:30am

I'm going to Krispy Kreme!

2 debutaunt  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:44:33am

How clueless can you get?

3 coquimbojoe  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:46:26am

re: #2 debutaunt

There's an answer right there to your rhetorical question.

/I generally like RR she's seems like a decent person....

4 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:46:38am
5 MrSilverDragon  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:46:44am

Not that I've been to a DD in years, but I think that maybe I should never go back.

6 loppyd  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:46:45am

Crap.

I literally just took a sip of a Dunks coffee.

7 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:46:52am

Who owns Dunkin Donuts?

It's going to be hard to get my wife and daughter to stop going there.

8 blue_like_jazz  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:46:59am

re: #2 debutaunt

How clueless can you get?


are you sure you want to ask that question?

=)

9 toadbelly  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:47:07am

is that hack Rachel Ray gonna whip us up some dunkin donut falafels to go along with PLO cafe latte?

10 lawhawk  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:47:16am

I wonder where she got the keffiyah from? Urban Outfitters?

11 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:47:31am
12 kynna  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:47:51am

re: #2 debutaunt

How clueless can you get?

Pretty clueless. I doubt they have any idea what it means. Maybe someone in the ad department does, but seriously, it's a clueless world out there.

I have no Dunkin Donuts near me. I guess I'll have to get a dozen from Yum Yum to get back at them. I hate to eat all those donuts, but I'm sending a message here. ;D

Seriously though, I'm sending a gentle e-mail and if they give me flak, I'll give it back.

13 Kenneth  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:47:54am
14 old_maid  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:47:59am

I can not STAND Rachel Ray. There are entire web sites devoted to loathing her. Florence King wrote about in the National Review a while back. She's like a backwoods, cheap Martha Stewart with a cheese-grater voice ... Queen of Velveeta!

The horror .... the horror ...

15 loppyd  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:48:18am

It's not just DD in this case.

Rachel Ray has an empire. Her Food Network shows, her talk show, her magazine, her line of cookware....

All should be boycotted.

16 PeterC  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:48:18am

That is Rachel Ray. I'm not sure that she actually understands the significance of what she is wearing; at least I have never heard anything of her politics.

She doesn't strike me as a moonbat, but she may be.

17 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:48:27am

Dunkin Donuts used to be the best.
Things change. :(

18 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:48:32am

re: #11 buzzsawmonkey

Krispy Kreme--at least in their NYC 23rd street store--are/were kosher.

I don't somehow think DD can make the same claim.

DD ingredients are kosher, but the stores aren't, as they sell some meat products in their breakfast menu, and they'd have to shut down over Passover.

19 Cygnus  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:48:37am

They probably did it just to be 'fashionable'. Quite clueless, but I don't believe they're supporting terrorists.

20 gman  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:48:39am

A hot cup of kaffiyeh and a dozen donuts to go please.

21 blue_like_jazz  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:48:59am

re: #14 old_maid

I can not STAND Rachel Ray. There are entire web sites devoted to loathing her. Florence King wrote about in the National Review a while back. She's like a backwoods, cheap Martha Stewart with a cheese-grater voice ... Queen of Velveeta!

The horror .... the horror ...


i'm with you, sistah! some of the parodies of her on "mad tv" have been hilarous.

22 Sharmuta  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:49:04am

Rachel ought to be ashamed of herself!

23 father_of_10  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:49:30am

What is the building in the background? Can anyone tell?

Rachel Ray . . . I wonder if she might be of Muslim heritage . . .

24 David Simon  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:50:01am

I don't get it. If you're going to pick a Food Network bimbo to be your spokeswoman, at least pick one who's nice to look at.

[Link: michaelscomments.wordpress.com...]

25 loppyd  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:50:01am

I loathe her anyway.

From her ugly set to her scary brow lift to the gross food she whips together in under 30 minutes. It's all bad.

26 blue_like_jazz  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:50:21am

re: #19 Cygnus

They probably did it just to be 'fashionable'. Quite clueless, but I don't believe they're supporting terrorists.


i'm thinking uninformed rather than statement-making, but that's probably the optimist in me rearing her sunshiney head.

27 madisonsfriend  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:50:59am

re: #11 buzzsawmonkey

28 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:51:04am

Rachael Ray?....I'm speechless.

Does she even realize?

29 madisonsfriend  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:51:11am

re: #13 Kenneth

timbits!

30 old_maid  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:51:20am

The stuff she cooks is all so bland and unimaginitive ... coffee and ice cream in a blender?! Wow, no one's ever thought of that! Basil on pizza?! GEENYUS!

31 pegcity  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:51:43am

She sounds like a 3 pack a day smoker.

32 brent  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:51:51am

She should be ashamed, but I'd bet dollars to donuts (sorry!) she has no idea the significance of what she's wearing...

That does not excuse DD for running an ad w/ her wearing it, tho... What's next, swastikas? Ron Paul T-shirts?

33 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:51:54am
34 bj1126  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:52:03am

I am not going to jump on the burn the witch bandwagon just yet until an explanation is given. She seems like a really nice person and maybe not so bright and thought she was just wearing the latest trendy scarf. Hopefully that's all it is and there is an apology give. I just had dunkin donuts for breakfast this morning :(

35 Yishai  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:52:24am

In the Detroit area there is a completely Kosher Dunkin Donuts (no meat and kosher supervised). This seems to me to be cluelessness on a corporate level, and the kosher Dunkin Donuts seems to be down to earth.

36 alegrias  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:52:34am

Their shareholders must be made aware this is offensive and undermines our war effort.

37 Cygnus  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:53:15am

re: #23 father_of_10

I think it's the Oregon state Capitol Building.

38 Kenneth  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:53:17am

Celebrity chef and Travel Channel personality Anthony Bourdain has referred to Ray's affiliation with Dunkin' Donuts as "evil" and is like "endorsing crack for kids". Her 30 Minute Meals concept has also been criticized for not fully accounting for preparation times, and for featuring meals that cannot be completed within half an hour.

39 brent  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:53:25am

Oh yeah, and her food? My wife bought her cookbook, and the 2 meals she tried ended up in the trash. Gaak.
Not too extravagant, not too rich, not too much for my delicate palette, just bad. Real bad.

40 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:53:37am

Da'wa Donuts?

41 gymnast  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:53:43am

Who owns Dunkin Donuts ad agency? Is Dunkin Donuts aware of the symbology in their ad? Does Dunkin Donuts think that they will remain a viable business if they reduce their customer base to members of Black September only?

42 Ma Sands  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:53:46am

The mix of colors on that picture is so unedifying......turns my stomach.......noticing the ugly scarf is the finishing touch..... ):

43 mean Gene  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:54:43am

I'd go with the ''she's clueless'' crowd.
I cannot believe she'd knowingly choose to do this divisive thing during a ploy to gain consumers.
And people who film commercials?
Look at them sometime.
Clueless!
If it looks good is all they care about.
(A lot of commercials get filmed in my town.)

44 JammieWearingFool  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:54:57am

re: #25 loppyd

I loathe her anyway.

From her ugly set to her scary brow lift to the gross food she whips together in under 30 minutes. It's all bad.

I'm with you. She's very annoying.

She has a very murky background before she made it on television. Oprah's the big money behind her now.

45 newton  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:55:09am

Who does her wardrobe for these ads? Fire her/him!

46 seekeroftruth  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:55:11am

She probably is ignorant to the fact that she is wearing the symbol of Palestinian terrorism and the intifada. I just wrote a polite email to inform D.D. and Ms. Ray of their ignorance.

47 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:55:28am

Eat our donuts, kuffar!

Or we will unleash a chocolate-glazed jihad on you, with sprinkles, inshallah!

48 alegrias  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:55:56am

Lizards, we know, but do they know?

Young people are clueless for the most part. Imagine who does their marketing.

John McCain's fashionista daughter Meghan was wearing a keffiyeh in some picture recently. Why Joe Lieberman doesn't sit her down in the back of the Straight Talk bus & explain this to young Ms. McCain is ....

49 realwest  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:56:22am

re: #25 loppyd {loppyd} hey there good looking - don't know if you saw my thank you on the prior post (I think it's the next to last comment) but I think it bears repeating here, OT though it is: [Link: www.imeem.com...]
and turn the speakers up!

50 mojo9  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:56:24am

dunkin donuts sucks. krispey kreme rules!

51 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:56:43am

re: #41 gymnast

Is Dunkin Donuts aware of the symbology in their ad?

Let's tell them.

52 Iron Fist  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:57:04am

re: #25 loppyd,

Don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel :-)

53 Endangered in MASS  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:57:06am

What's next...

30 Minute Intifadas?

Is that really a kaffeya? It doesn't seem to have the same pattern.

54 ratherdashing  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:57:22am

Of all the stuff that gets my dander up, the kaffiyeh as a fashion item is NOT one of them. I've seen US troops wearing it and it's sold by tactical gear suppliers. Sorry.

55 crown_of_feathers  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:57:29am

Is that really a kaffiyeh ?

56 father_of_10  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:57:46am

re: #37 Cygnus

I think it's the Oregon state Capitol Building.

I do believe you are right. Well, there are lots of moonbats in Oregon, so this must be a natural thing thing.

I personally bought 5 doz. donuts for my staff this morning, but not from DD. I bought the best donuts ever from "Westend Deli and Donuts".

57 alegrias  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:58:08am

On Memorial Day weekend of all weekends, to encourage those who attack our troops by wearing anti-American crap...

Why isn't she wearing the flag or flag-accessories to market to Americans!

58 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:58:23am

And right on the same webpage they're actualy advertising that they serve bagles!

59 indythinker  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:58:23am

This has got to be one of those "I didn't realize what it was" situations.

It was probably thrown on her during the shoot by a lefty assistant producer.

60 Jhn1  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:58:42am

Hey, if Starbucks can use nudity to sell coffee, why can't DK use terrorism support?

61 realwest  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:58:54am

re: #46 seekeroftruth
Excellent! Do y'all have the e-mail addy's?

62 chinesearithmetic  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:58:57am

Michelle Malkin, your endorsement needs disinviting.

63 David Simon  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:59:07am

re: #38 Kenneth

Celebrity chef and Travel Channel personality Anthony Bourdain has referred to Ray's affiliation with Dunkin' Donuts as "evil" and is like "endorsing crack for kids". Her 30 Minute Meals concept has also been criticized for not fully accounting for preparation times, and for featuring meals that cannot be completed within half an hour.

She saves time by sacrificing cleanliness. What a fucking pig.

64 madisonsfriend  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:59:16am

re: #53 Endangered in MASS

What's next...

30 Minute Intifadas?

Is that really a kaffeya? It doesn't seem to have the same pattern.

Kaffiyehs come in different patterns, colors and can even be all white(some young israeli women wear the white ones as head wraps- and they come from China- you didn't think the Palis actually produced them- that involves work). The ones sold as fashion items here tend to be black or red.

65 Endangered in MASS  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:59:21am

re: #55 crown_of_feathers


that's what I said. I thought the kskarf was designated by the pattern. This does not seem to match.

66 mojo9  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:59:44am

is that rachel ray? my daughter is a big fan. but she's staunchly conservative. boy, is she gonna be disappointed.

67 seekeroftruth  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:59:59am

re: #61 realwest

Thanks - here it is :
[Link: www.dunkindonuts.com...]

68 ROPMA  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:00:06am
69 LeftJustAintRight  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:00:30am

re: #6 loppyd

Crap.

I literally just took a sip of a Dunks coffee.

You racist terrorist supporting Mo lover
Go post at KOS

/sarc

70 RedStateBlueCity  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:01:01am

Hey, can you hold this ahhh, belt, while I get a refill?

71 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:01:28am

I agree, that may not be an actual kaffiyeh, but rather just a scarf in the kaffiyeh style.

72 Allah al Fubar  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:02:40am

Coffee is haram. And woman in keyiffeye is beyond haram. She must be stoned. And take coffee away. Bird singing. Shoot bird from tree because woman in keyiffeye stand beneath, make bird haram.

This type commercial make imam head splodey dope! I really piss now becau take my video off you tube. Banned.

Don't do the donut. All dunkin donut haram. And coffee too.

Imam Ebraiheim Desiah [Link: www.ask-imam.com...]

73 Alouette  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:03:27am

re: #10 lawhawk

I wonder where she got the keffiyah from? Urban Outfitters?

Freshjive says F*** YOU to LGF and everyone else who criticized their "Palestinian kid with AK-47" T-shirt

These asshats also sell a T-shirt of Jesus with a bullet hole in his forehead. What class.

74 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:03:58am

re: #9 toadbelly

is that hack Rachel Ray gonna whip us up some dunkin donut falafels to go along with PLO cafe latte?

I thought that looked like her. I read on the "Ten Most Hated People On the Internet" that she chain-smokes and cusses like a sailor. Yuck.

Just imagine her in twenty years, with a face like an old leather jacket, and a voice worse than Susan Estrogen's. Egads.

75 wanumba  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:04:07am

Duncan Donut's greatest mistake was to eliminate the cinnamon donuts in favor of more frosted glop.

Hit popular trendy culture. None of those chi-chi hipsters would dare wear a polar bear scarf, because they "care." Keffiyehs will lose their appeal with the next edgy item. These numbskulls do not realize that WOMEN don't wear these things, they are MEN's head coverings. So, it's empty-headed pretend mulit-culti sophistication, getting it all wrong in an attempt to get the fashion "Look" right.

76 The_Vig  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:04:08am

Need a pick me up after a hard day of hating the Jews? Well pick up an iced Latte from Dunkin Donuts. The perfect refreshment before you meet your 72 virgins.

77 Jack Reacher  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:04:23am

If wonder if, in the P.A. areas, the button says "Find a store, and blow it up."

78 loppyd  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:04:36am

re: #44 JammieWearingFool

I'm with you. She's very annoying.

She has a very murky background before she made it on television. Oprah's the big money behind her now.

Murky, like pr0n star kind of stuff?

Oprah? Now I loathe her even more. LOL

79 father_of_10  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:04:43am

re: #51 unrealizedviewpoint

Let's tell them.

Can't seem to get through. I wonder if they are going to get more email complaints than they've ever seen. I expect this ad to disappear in about 20 minutes.

80 madisonsfriend  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:05:08am

Just saying- but look at the video. Rachel has the beverage strategically placed in front of one side of her chest and the Kaffiyeh over the other side. Could it be that with short sleeves and a v-neck- it was chilly- and something inappropriate would be showing through her dress? One of the crew fashionistas gave her the kaffiyeh to cover one side and told her to hold the beverage up on the other side. I would also think Racehl Ray has no idea of the significance.

She is Italian - from Cape cod according to her bio.

81 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:05:24am

My email to DD

I will assume (for the moment) that you are unaware that the wearing of the symbol of Palestinian terrorism by your spokesperson Rachel Ray, the kaffiyeh (the scarf she's wearing), supports terrorism. You may want to see blog:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
for info

82 Ziggy  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:05:46am

Blow up some Jooz and then whip up a yummie supper in 30 minutes.

83 loppyd  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:06:16am

re: #69 LeftJustAintRight

You racist terrorist supporting Mo lover
Go post at KOS

/sarc

LOL

My only other choice is Starbucks and that 'aint happening either.

I guess it's time to start bringing my own from home. At least that way I will get it the way I actually want it.

Me: med, extra cream, no sugar.
Them: med cream and sugar?

AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH

84 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:06:25am

I'll bet Charles doesn't eat donuts.

85 FrogMarch  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:06:44am

Is that Rachel Ray?

86 alegrias  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:06:45am

Paying back infidels for policing jihadi fashions,

Sheikh bans alcohol at Cairo hotel

A decision by the Saudi owner of the Grand Hyatt Hotel in Cairo to ban the sale of alcohol and destroy millions of dollars worth of beverages has sparked a debate in Egypt.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

87 madisonsfriend  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:06:48am

re: #83 loppyd

no 7-11?

88 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:07:26am
89 loppyd  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:07:57am

re: #49 {realwest}

{loppyd} hey there good looking - don't know if you saw my thank you on the prior post (I think it's the next to last comment) but I think it bears repeating here, OT though it is: [Link: www.imeem.com...]
and turn the speakers up!

Hi there, Handsome.

It is me who should be thanking you.

Love this tune, BTW.

90 chaz  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:07:58am

Charles,
excellent freeze frame you got to illustrate the piece... complete with the 'clerical finger'!

91 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:08:10am

re: #79 father_of_10

Can't seem to get through. I wonder if they are going to get more email complaints than they've ever seen. I expect this ad to disappear in about 20 minutes.


Try this link to contact DD

92 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:08:24am
93 loppyd  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:08:40am

re: #52 Iron Fist

,

Don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel :-)

I have a strong aversion to her....have since day one.

LOL

94 Allah al Fubar  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:09:09am

re: #87 madisonsfriend

no 7-11?

Who criticize 7-11? I work sun up and fun down at 7-11 and have to touch infidel and even gay hand. We no sell dunkin donut at 7-11 we sell Krispy Kreme donut. so take you hatred and put black and thick packet on head and make work good.

95 tapeworm  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:09:20am

She is supporting the evil EVOO terrorists.

96 loppyd  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:09:39am

re: #87 madisonsfriend

no 7-11?

nope.

97 guitarguy  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:09:46am

I've never, ever seen her show, but I think she's a cutie. (I like 'em curvy.)
However........how long would she last strutting around the middle east dressed like that?
The hair.......the makeup.......her arms uncovered.....an independent career-woman...

I see a curvy cutie, and they see a future honor-killing target.

98 itellu3times  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:09:55am

re: #55 crown_of_feathers

Is that really a kaffiyeh ?

I was wondering, too. Just so they frying the donuts in bacon grease.

99 ellem  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:09:57am

Listen... honestly... I don't care if DD starts beheading people in their commercials. I

100 Pyrocles  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:10:03am

Yum! I need a big box of chocolate glazed Timbits! I love Timmy's... Thankfully we have one on literally every corner here in Buffalo. And they're constantly building more everywhere! It's amazing how quickly Tim Hortons' sprout up all over the place; there are already tons of them. And each one is perpetually busy. That place is a freakin' gold mine!

re: #29 madisonsfriend

101 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:10:07am
102 NYexpat  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:10:27am

DD is owned by the same company that owns Baskin Robins and Togo's. I was a little surprised when I moved to northern California, there isn't a DD within 100 miles of me. And yes, I would agree that Rachel is probably clueless about the scarf.

103 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:10:29am

re: #71 Ringo the Gringo

I agree, that may not be an actual kaffiyeh, but rather just a scarf in the kaffiyeh style.

Then it is a kaffiyeh

104 Ziggy  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:10:46am

Perhaps a coincident, but I have never been to a DD that wasn't owned by Pakistanis

105 Allah al Fubar  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:10:49am

re: #97 guitarguy

I've never, ever seen her show, but I think she's a cutie. (I like 'em curvy.)
However........how long would she last strutting around the middle east dressed like that?
The hair.......the makeup.......her arms uncovered.....an independent career-woman...

I see a curvy cutie, and they see a future honor-killing target.

She stoned. Already in Arab land, she have Jew name and automatic qualify stoneing.

106 madisonsfriend  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:10:56am

re: #94 Allah al Fubar

Who criticize 7-11? I work sun up and fun down at 7-11 and have to touch infidel and even gay hand. We no sell dunkin donut at 7-11 we sell Krispy Kreme donut. so take you hatred and put black and thick packet on head and make work good.

I think I bought coffee from you this morning. I was the loose woman - the one with the uncovered hair- and haha, I am a JEW!

107 loppyd  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:11:07am

re: #97 guitarguy

I've never, ever seen her show, but I think she's a cutie. (I like 'em curvy.)
However........how long would she last strutting around the middle east dressed like that?
The hair.......the makeup.......her arms uncovered.....an independent career-woman...

I see a curvy cutie, and they see a future honor-killing target.

she wouldn't seem so cute once she opened her mouth...

108 Mike in Boulder  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:11:16am

Dunkin Donuts was actually founded by a Jew, William Rosenberg. He must be rolling in his grave.

109 realwest  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:11:28am

re: #89 loppyd You're welcome and I'm glad you appreciated the song.
And, of course, it is true: you can find the cost of Freedom, buried in the ground.
CS&N used to close every concert with that song until Stills wrote a nice intro music piece to it called "Daylight Again". Then they closed their shows with that.
Thanks again for that post!

110 alegrias  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:11:33am

re: #83 loppyd

LOL

My only other choice is Starbucks and that 'aint happening either.

I guess it's time to start bringing my own from home. At least that way I will get it the way I actually want it.

Me: med, extra cream, no sugar.
Them: med cream and sugar?

AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH

* * *
Great Idea, Loppy!
Isn't designer coffee more expensive than gas these days? Pocket the many bucks difference in your 401(k)!

111 Spider Mensch  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:11:39am

my wife had rachel ray on tv one day when I was home...RR kept using the initials EVOO as she prepared some 30 minute crap. "EVOO THIS" and "add theEVOO now"... ad nauseum. I'm no cook so I had to hear her use it for about 15 times in a five minute piece before I finally got it, EVOO= extra virgin olive oil...I wanted to jump thru the screen grab her by the ____ and yell at her " JUST SAY "EXTRA VIRGIN OLIVE OIL" LIKE EVERYONE ELSE DOES BITCH!"

not that this has anything to do with the topic, but I hate buzzword or buzz acronyms or whatever. but on topic she's not the brightest bulb in the string, she hasn't a clue to the meaning of the kafiyah.

112 6pat6  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:11:48am

Dunkin' Donuts lost whatever business I might have had with them. A kaffiyeh is NOT a friggin' fashion statement, it's a terrorist statement! But, hey, it's stylin', right?

113 FrogMarch  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:11:52am

Is Rachel just really dumb - or is she evil?

114 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:12:35am

re: #68 ROPMA

In other donut news...

Don't try to rob a donut shop over there in Fort Worth. In Garland, closer to where I live, an older lady was murdered several years ago at a Dunkin' Donuts on Garland Ave., in a pre-dawn robbery, as she was baking for the morning rush. It was one of those really small stores, with a walk-up window. They never did find her killer. It closed down after that, and is now a taqueria.

115 Allah al Fubar  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:12:37am

re: #106 madisonsfriend

I think I bought coffee from you this morning. I was the loose woman - the one with the uncovered hair- and haha, I am a JEW!

I not sell you coffee. I short change you too. I laugh when you walk out because I get nickel from you, Jew.

/ya'll know I'm kidding, right?

116 madisonsfriend  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:13:02am

re: #104 Ziggy

Perhaps a coincident, but I have never been to a DD that wasn't owned by Pakistanis

Actually I used to go to a number in Pa and Delaware that were run by Indians.

117 Ziggy  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:13:08am

re: #97 guitarguy

I've never, ever seen her show, but I think she's a cutie. (I like 'em curvy.)
However........how long would she last strutting around the middle east dressed like that?
The hair.......the makeup.......her arms uncovered.....an independent career-woman...

I see a curvy cutie, and they see a future honor-killing target.


She is a cutie, but the NEVER show her from the waist down. Too much chunk in the trunk

118 pegcity  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:13:10am

re: #100 Pyrocles

canada's best export.

119 SeafoodGumbo  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:13:23am

Is it definitely a kaffieyeh? I posted this thread at FR and a couple people think it's only a scarf. Here's one comment from over there:

Already attacked on another thread a few days ago, that is not a kaffiyeh, the pattern is all wrong, it is just a black and white scarf.

While the pattern in kaffiyehs sometimes change, they never have the elements that you would see in that scarf. Someone the other day posted they bought one almost exactly like that at Macys, just in a different color.

120 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:13:30am

re: #102 NYexpat

DD is owned by the same company that owns Baskin Robins and Togo's. I was a little surprised when I moved to northern California, there isn't a DD within 100 miles of me. And yes, I would agree that Rachel is probably clueless about the scarf.

Well then, if they don't respond to our calls for the pulling of the ad within a reasonable time frame a boycott need be called against Dunkin Donuts, Baskin Robbins (and all 31 flavors), & ToTo too.

/joking but serious

121 madisonsfriend  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:13:54am

re: #115 Allah al Fubar

I not sell you coffee. I short change you too. I laugh when you walk out because I get nickel from you, Jew.

/ya'll know I'm kidding, right?


Ha, HA-I counted out the exact change.

122 6pat6  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:14:04am

re: #111 Spider Mensch

Hey, I like Rachael Ray! Yeah, the "EVOO" thing gets old real fast, but she's nice to look at, and apparently knows something to have FIVE of her own shows on TV.

123 David Simon  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:14:14am

re: #97 guitarguy

I've never, ever seen her show, but I think she's a cutie. (I like 'em curvy.)
However........how long would she last strutting around the middle east dressed like that?
The hair.......the makeup.......her arms uncovered.....an independent career-woman...

I see a curvy cutie, and they see a future honor-killing target.

Did you just get out of prison?

124 Ziggy  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:14:20am

re: #113 FrogMarch

Is Rachel just really dumb - or is she evil?


Most definately DUMB

125 BuddyG  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:14:41am

Donuts; generally speaking

126 alegrias  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:14:46am

Someone please contact the McCain campaign which buys lots of donuts for the Straight Talk busses & planeas, so McCain can dissasociate, reject & repudiate Dunkin Donuts' dumb endorsement of kefiyehs.

127 Alouette  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:15:13am

re: #35 Yishai

In the Detroit area there is a completely Kosher Dunkin Donuts (no meat and kosher supervised). This seems to me to be cluelessness on a corporate level, and the kosher Dunkin Donuts seems to be down to earth.

Yeah, but they are not cholov Yisroel. I mean, if they are going for the kosher business and have mashgiach, why not use only cholov Yisroel?

128 6pat6  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:15:16am

But it's a damn shame about her wearing a kaffiyeh, though, it really is!

129 Creeping Eruption  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:15:17am

Did any of you who visited the DD website see the "Military coffee Requests" area?

" Dunkin' Brands, Inc. supports the brave men and women of the United States military.

We are honored to send a taste of home to our troops overseas. We will hold a monthly lottery to randomly select 50 United States military members among those requests submitted. Each will receive a case of Dunkin' Donuts coffee. We will limit the offer to those who have not previously received any coffee."

So do they send a Keffiyah along with the coffee to our soldiers fighting these very people?

130 Alouette  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:16:35am

re: #129 Creeping Eruption

So do they send a Keffiyah along with the coffee to our soldiers fighting these very people?

There is a military issue keffiyah, it's called a "shemagh" or as Israelis call it, a "shmatta"

131 Allah al Fubar  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:16:56am

One night, after hours but before daylight, I walked into a Dunkin Donuts. There weren't many donuts on the shelf and the counter was empty, save a few law enforcement officers on duty.

I ran the bell.

Well, out of the back comes this GINOURMOUS fry cook with her lips powdered with donut (confectioner's) sugar. She roared, "Can I help you?".

I quietly left the premises. Never went back.

I challenge each and every one of you to visit a dunkin donut franchise and find a less than plump server. Just ask Rachel. She's a plumper.

132 Alibaba  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:17:06am

Have you seen who works there? Many of the employees are from Pakistan/Bangladesh.re: #19 Cygnus

133 Allah al Fubar  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:17:15am

re: #121 madisonsfriend

Ha, HA-I counted out the exact change.

You drop penny.

134 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:17:21am

re: #99 ellem

Listen... honestly... I don't care if DD starts beheading people in their commercials. I

I see you failed to finish your thought. Good!
WTF?

135 alegrias  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:17:29am

re: #130 Alouette

There is a military issue keffiyah, it's called a "shemagh" or as Israelis call it, a "shmatta"

* * *
In WHOSE military exactly?

136 SpartanWoman  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:17:43am

I send my email expressing anger and anoyance at the "terror chic" costume.

137 Arbalest  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:17:49am

The building in the background looks suspiciously similar to the Oregon State Capitol building in Salem, Oregon.

I guess the producer/director liked the trees, and nothing more, but I wonder if there's a link to some political organization.

138 realwest  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:17:50am

re: #104 Ziggy I think it's a coincidence - when I lived in Dunkin' Donuts, er, New York City, most DD's were owned by Indians and by Koreans (I know, I know, but there you have it!).
BTW, cops in NYC used to frequently mistake the DD on our block for the precinct house - wonder what they'd think of that kaffiyeh?

139 Allah al Fubar  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:18:02am

re: #130 Alouette

There is a military issue keffiyah, it's called a "shemagh" or as Israelis call it, a "shmatta"

Could it be a "shenanigan"?

/Oh, that's Irish. Nevahmind.

140 Alibaba  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:18:20am

re: #119 SeafoodGumbo
If it looks like a kaffiyeh, and it talks like a kaffiyeh, and it blows itself up like a kaffiey, it is a rotten schmata!

141 Abu Al-Poopypants  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:18:22am

Are we sure that's a keffiyah and not just a sh!++y looking scarf?

142 ratherdashing  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:18:45am

I say we just co-opt the symbol for our own use. Solves the problem.

A member of the British army Royal Engineers, covered from the sun

143 leboaz  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:18:48am

this crap is everywhere. Sorry folks, I hate to admit it, but I watched the finals of 'Dancing With The Stars' and they showed some scenes from when all the contestants were introduced. Through the door barges Christian De La Fuente wearing his "peace scarf"! I guess you could expect him to beg for votes in Spanish, but even one second on network TV representing the friggin' terrorist flag as a fashion statement turns me off.

144 abolitionist  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:19:07am

re: #85 FrogMarch

Is that Rachel Ray?

Apparently. About 8 sec into video, "Hey everybody, I'm Rachel Ray ..."

145 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:19:53am
146 SeafoodGumbo  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:20:22am

The thread at FR can be found here.

Some posters over there think it's only a paisley scarf, and not a kaffiyeh.

147 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:20:26am

re: #126 alegrias

Someone please contact the McCain campaign which buys lots of donuts for the Straight Talk busses & planeas, so McCain can dissasociate, reject & repudiate Dunkin Donuts' dumb endorsement of kefiyehs.


Didn't Hillary have some giant unpaid $1200 donut bill?

148 Creeping Eruption  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:20:32am

re: #131 Allah al Fubar

One night, after hours but before daylight, I walked into a Dunkin Donuts. There weren't many donuts on the shelf and the counter was empty, save a few law enforcement officers on duty.

I ran the bell.

Well, out of the back comes this GINOURMOUS fry cook with her lips powdered with donut (confectioner's) sugar. She roared, "Can I help you?".

I quietly left the premises. Never went back.

I challenge each and every one of you to visit a dunkin donut franchise and find a less than plump server. Just ask Rachel. She's a plumper.

Plumper?

149 Ziggy  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:20:39am

re: #116 madisonsfriend

Actually I used to go to a number in Pa and Delaware that were run by Indians.


I was being an agent provacatuer...corporate DD makes all those Ad decisions and perhaps you're right. I apologize if I offended anyone.

150 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:21:12am
151 Allah al Fubar  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:21:55am

We need a LIZARD NATION scarf.

Gecko's and lizards in all sorts of colors.

/I have a pet gecko, he lives on my front porch. Beautiful green colors and an unharmed tail.

152 Guy_Philly  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:21:57am

Hmmm ... I don't know ... maybe my eyes aren't that good. I can't make out the pattern on the scarf. For me, it is like being able to spot a Jewish guy on a Nude beach from 100 yards away. I just don't see it.

153 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:22:03am

It doesn't appear to be the kind of keffiyeh we see worn at anti-Israel protests, but on first glance it certainly looks that way.

154 cowboysnmuslims  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:22:43am

she looks a bit more... ethnic in this spot. perhaps heavy base to accent the 'scarf'.
are we sure this wasn't intended to run in Gaza?

155 Allah al Fubar  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:22:49am

re: #147 unrealizedviewpoint

Didn't Hillary have some giant unpaid $1200 donut bill?

Nope, that was Bill paying for Monica's pancakes.

156 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:22:57am

re: #143 leboaz

this crap is everywhere. Sorry folks, I hate to admit it, but I watched the finals of 'Dancing With The Stars' and they showed some scenes from when all the contestants were introduced. Through the door barges Christian De La Fuente wearing his "peace scarf"! I guess you could expect him to beg for votes in Spanish, but even one second on network TV representing the friggin' terrorist flag as a fashion statement turns me off.

Same thing on American Idol. The Asian chick was wearing one the night she got eliminated. I couldn't vote against her, as you can only vote for people. :)

157 itellu3times  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:23:12am

re: #102 NYexpat

DD is owned by the same company that owns Baskin Robins and Togo's. I was a little surprised when I moved to northern California, there isn't a DD within 100 miles of me. And yes, I would agree that Rachel is probably clueless about the scarf.

Ah, when did Togo's get bought out? While ago, I guess. Used to really like them.

158 gman  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:23:38am

Looks like Dunkin Donuts is doing well in the Middle East

Lebanon
Pakistan
Qatar
Saudi Arabia
Turkey
UAE

159 Allah al Fubar  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:23:56am

re: #148 Creeping Eruption

Wow.. That's a plumper!

160 madisonsfriend  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:24:18am

So I googled Kaffiyeh and a new York times article from a feb. 2007 had people saying it is out as a fashion item. So all of these "famous" people are behind the fashion times.

161 ishabibble[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:24:23am
162 J.S.  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:24:58am

Rachel Ray bills herself as a giggling ditz (she makes no claims to being a genius -- she capitalizes on appearing to be the opposite...) I figure she's just clueless...(and, is that really a Kaffiyeh?)

163 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:25:27am

As if I needed another reason to go to Krispy Kreme.

164 Allah al Fubar  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:25:32am

re: #161 ishabibble

Figures they're based in Mass. There's a DD on every corner in Maine.

/I'm DD free (well, sept for one franchise on an upper key).

DD Free.,., Good to be me!

Nap time.

165 J.S.  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:26:29am

re: #161 ishabibble

Get rid of the phone numbers...heed the rules...provide a link instead.

166 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:26:55am

re: #158 gman

Looks like Dunkin Donuts is doing well in the Middle East

Lebanon
Pakistan
Qatar
Saudi Arabia
Turkey
UAE

DD exec's will learn they don't want to ignore Lizards requests for the pulling of the ad. The controversial questions and answer session is only beginning.

167 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:27:06am

Looks like Michelle Malkin may have to find a new favorite coffee shop. She dumped Starbuck's for DD a while back because of the outrageous prices -- and they were pretty avid supporters of open borders.

168 gman  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:27:19am

40 shops alone in the UAE

169 SeafoodGumbo  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:27:32am

The thread at FR was pulled because the moderator says it's only a black-and-white scarf.

170 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:28:31am

re: #44 JammieWearingFool

I'm with you. She's very annoying.


She has a very murky background before she made it on television into the Senate. Oprah's the big money behind her Obama now.

And everyone thought I was nuts when I said Oprah's trying to take over the world!

171 gman  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:28:44am

re: #166 unrealizedviewpoint

DD exec's will learn they don't want to ignore Lizards requests for the pulling of the ad. The controversial questions and answer session is only beginning.

They done messed with the wrong lizards.

172 gman  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:30:04am

re: #169 SeafoodGumbo

The thread at FR was pulled because the moderator says it's only a black-and-white scarf.

It gives the appearance of a Kaffiyeh and that's all that matters.

173 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:30:07am

re: #171 gman

They done messed with the wrong lizards.

All Dunkin Donuts VP's look to one another and say: What's a Lizard?

174 Dad O' Blondes  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:30:17am

re: #19 Cygnus

re: #19 Cygnus

They probably did it just to be 'fashionable'. Quite clueless, but I don't believe they're supporting terrorists.

That's almost surely right.

Dunkin has an ad agency that produced this spot. But the agency hired a production company to set up the filiming of the ad, and the production comapny in turn hired a bunch of freelance folks -- and one of them was a "wardrobe specialist." That's how this happened.

Still, it's an unacceptable oversight and the ad agency could well be fired over this type of thing.

.

175 Charles  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:30:22am

Wow. Now I'm getting hate mail from Rachael Ray fans.

Good grief.

176 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:30:30am
177 G. Haad  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:30:37am

Is hooker! Show white skin like whore goat!

178 Jimmy The Clam  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:30:50am

re: #55 crown_of_feathers

Is that really a kaffiyeh ?

I had the same question.
I looks a little too lacy and seems to have an additional design on it, that you don't find on a real kaffiyeh.
I have my doubts about this one.
Sometimes a scarf is just a scarf.

Does anyone know if Rachel Ray is a confirmed moonbat?

179 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:31:12am

re: #175 Charles

Wow. Now I'm getting hate mail from Rachael Ray fans.

Good grief.

The controversy grows. How long till the ad's are pulled?

180 Alouette  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:31:37am

re: #151 Allah al Fubar

We need a LIZARD NATION scarf.

Gecko's and lizards in all sorts of colors.

/I have a pet gecko, he lives on my front porch. Beautiful green colors and an unharmed tail.

Well, there are a bunch of Israeli scarves over at the Zionist Mall, in assorted colors, including nice shades of green.

181 Guy_Philly  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:31:41am

re: #175 Charles

Ha! and you deserve it! how dare you attack the girl next door!
/

182 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:31:59am

I'm also a little doubtful that this is a gen-you-wine "we [heart] Pali terrorists" keffiyah. It lacks that usual "cheap Italian restaurant tablecloth" pattern, as far as I can tell.

183 JammieWearingFool  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:32:27am

re: #78 loppyd

Murky, like pr0n star kind of stuff?

Oprah? Now I loathe her even more. LOL

No, there were some strange financial tales and possible embezzlement, something like that. The NY Post used to have some items on her several years back.

184 jpfletcher  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:32:53am

Military use

For some years, the wearing of the keffiyeh has been almost ubiquitous amongst British soldiers, who now, almost exclusively, refer to them as shemaghs.[citation needed] Their use by some units and formations of the military and police forces of the former British Empire and subsequent Commonwealth dates back to before the Second World War.[citation needed] Because of its utility it was adopted by the Palestine Police Force, the Trans Jordan Frontier Force, the Sudan Defence Force, the Arab Legion, the Libyan Arab Force, the Long Range Desert Group, the Special Air Service and Popski's Private Army, amongst others, who wore them while operating in North Africa.[citation needed] After the war, their use by the Army continued with the keffiyeh being worn in both desert and temperate environments in theatres such as Dhofar.[citation needed] Australian Army forces have also used the shemagh since the Vietnam War, and extensively during Iraq and Afghanistan, particularly by Australian Special Forces units. Since the beginning of the War on Terror, these keffiyeh, usually cotton and in military olive drab or khaki with black stitching, have been adopted by US and troops as well.[citation needed] Their practicality in an arid environment, as in Iraq, explains their constant popularity with soldiers. Soldiers often wear the keffiyeh folded in half into a triangle and wrapped around the face, with the halfway point being placed over the mouth and nose, sometimes coupled with goggles, to keep sand out of the face.

185 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:32:56am

re: #175 Charles

Wow. Now I'm getting hate mail from Rachael Ray fans.

Good grief.

I guess they don't think lizard is Yum-O™.

186 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:33:18am

re: #182 Occasional Reader

I'm also a little doubtful that this is a gen-you-wine "we [heart] Pali terrorists" keffiyah. It lacks that usual "cheap Italian restaurant tablecloth" pattern, as far as I can tell.

See comment #172.
here I'll copy&paste :)

It gives the appearance of a Kaffiyeh and that's all that matters.

187 JammieWearingFool  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:33:21am

re: #175 Charles

Wow. Now I'm getting hate mail from Rachael Ray fans.

Good grief.

It'll all be over in 30 minutes.

188 alegrias  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:33:24am

re: #175 Charles

Wow. Now I'm getting hate mail from Rachael Ray fans.

Good grief.

* * *
Probably because they think she's wearing an Italian restaurant tablecloth !

189 Charles  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:33:29am

As for the scarf, it *really* looks like a kaffiyeh to me; the video's too low res to be 100% certain, but it's got most of the elements of a kaffiyeh.

If it isn't a genuine made-in-Gaza scarf, it's obviously inspired by it.

190 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:33:36am

Anyway, 1) we shouldn't eat doughnuts (much), and 2) Krispy Kreme are somewhat better.

191 Adrenalyn  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:33:41am

she can't be so stupid as to NOT know what she is wearing
any more than I would drape myself in a Confederate Flag and walk down the streets of East Oakland and expect to live 30 seconds

192 rockstar1  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:33:49am

My wife and I call her the dog kicker. She just seems like the perky type who gets home at night and punts her dog. As for the keffiyah I'd be willing to bet she doesn't even know what it is and just thought it was a cute scarf. Sometimes I think we give these people to much credit for being conscious. Most of them are sleep walking sheeple.

193 Guy_Philly  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:34:21am

BTW ... guys like her cuz she seems like she'd be the kind of girl who'd be a FWB (friend with benefits). I mean, so I've heard.

194 WrathofG-d  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:34:25am

re: #175 Charles

Is that who that is? Rachel Ray?

195 Adrenalyn  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:34:37am

re: #178 Jimmy The Clam

I had the same question.
I looks a little too lacy and seems to have an additional design on it, that you don't find on a real kaffiyeh.
I have my doubts about this one.
Sometimes a scarf is just a scarf.

Does anyone know if Rachel Ray is a confirmed moonbat?

Yes - she is a friend of Oprah
isn't that evidence enough ?

196 debutaunt  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:34:49am

re: #133 Allah al Fubar

You drop penny.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAA

197 snowcrash  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:35:10am

Sending an email. The scarf has to go, cause I love/need the coffee. I buy the bags of reg ground at the nearest DD, 3 towns away! Rachel Ray is cute but clearly misinformed or stupid on this fashion choice.

198 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:35:42am

re: #172 gman

It gives the appearance of a Kaffiyeh and that's all that matters.

I dunno. Seems like kind of a circular argument.

199 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:35:55am

re: #190 Occasional Reader

Anyway, 1) we shouldn't eat doughnuts (much), and 2) Krispy Kreme are somewhat better.

c'mon, few people can eat more then one Krispy Kreme. They're too sweet. It's like eating a full cup off raw sugar.

200 Adrenalyn  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:36:10am

re: #188 alegrias

* * *
Probably because they think she's wearing an Italian restaurant tablecloth !

better she wear an Indian loincloth ?

201 David Simon  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:36:15am

Maybe Rachel can use her endorsement money to invest in a mirror. (Did she really go out in public looking like this?)

[Link: greatplainsfoodie.blogspot.com...]

202 ratherdashing  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:36:30am

re: #184 jpfletcher

It may be part of the Brits issued equipment. Anybody know?

Afghanistan Kit (see left side of photo)

203 Tigger2005  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:36:44am

It's Charles' blog obviously, but personally I don't think stuff like this should be posted until some research has been done and it's confirmed that DD and/or Rachel Ray knew what that scarf represents (not that they'd think it represents terrorism, I'm sure they'd think it represents the "brave Palestinian resistance"). Cluelessness abounds in this world. I personally know people who make every effort to not be aware of anything concerning that whole Islamic jihad against Western civilization thing. It's just too upsetting.

204 alegrias  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:37:44am

Foodies here should know, seed companies can't handle the sales from people who want to grow their own herbs, vegetables & fruits to beat the higher costs of fresh produce this year.

Martha Stewart at least gets out and digs in her various garden plots, and knows a thing or two about gardening!

205 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:37:52am

re: #203 Tigger2005

It's Charles' blog obviously, but personally I don't think stuff like this should be posted until some research has been done and it's confirmed that DD and/or Rachel Ray knew what that scarf represents (not that they'd think it represents terrorism, I'm sure they'd think it represents the "brave Palestinian resistance"). Cluelessness abounds in this world. I personally know people who make every effort to not be aware of anything concerning that whole Islamic jihad against Western civilization thing. It's just too upsetting.


It is the Lizard Army that does the research. Where you been?

206 JammieWearingFool  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:38:11am
207 WrathofG-d  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:38:41am
208 incanus  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:39:23am

All this talk of DD has me looking for the boob thread.

209 Creeping Eruption  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:39:25am

re: #175 Charles

Wow. Now I'm getting hate mail from Rachael Ray fans.

Good grief.

Can you post some for a good laugh?

210 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:39:45am
211 WrathofG-d  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:39:45am

re: #203 Tigger2005

Is ignorance really an excuse? It isn't in the law.

212 Tigger2005  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:39:45am

re: #205 unrealizedviewpoint

It is the Lizard Army that does the research. Where you been?

Yes, but then shouldn't the post say, "Is this a keffiyeh Rachel Ray is wearing in this DD commercial? Can any Lizards out there check into this, and see if DD and Rachel are aware of what the keffiyeh represents?"

213 G. Haad  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:39:57am

re: #209 Creeping Eruption

Can you post some for a good laugh?


Second!

214 alegrias  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:40:16am

re: #203 Tigger2005

It's Charles' blog obviously, but personally I don't think stuff like this should be posted until some research has been done and it's confirmed that DD and/or Rachel Ray knew what that scarf represents (not that they'd think it represents terrorism, I'm sure they'd think it represents the "brave Palestinian resistance"). Cluelessness abounds in this world. I personally know people who make every effort to not be aware of anything concerning that whole Islamic jihad against Western civilization thing. It's just too upsetting.

* * *
So we have to appease the Appeasement Chic fashionistas by not disturbing their appeaser world view with some facts?

215 Alouette  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:40:30am
216 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:40:35am

re: #189 Charles

If it isn't a genuine made-in-Gaza scarf

Do they actually make anything in Gaza? (That doesn't explode, I mean.)

217 NYexpat  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:40:53am

re: #175 Charles

Wow. Now I'm getting hate mail from Rachael Ray fans.
Good grief.


Really, what would you expect? I trust they're not as over the top as the ronulans or koslings.

218 Charles  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:41:42am

re: #203 Tigger2005

It's Charles' blog obviously, but personally I don't think stuff like this should be posted until some research has been done and it's confirmed that DD and/or Rachel Ray knew what that scarf represents (not that they'd think it represents terrorism, I'm sure they'd think it represents the "brave Palestinian resistance"). Cluelessness abounds in this world. I personally know people who make every effort to not be aware of anything concerning that whole Islamic jihad against Western civilization thing. It's just too upsetting.

I disagree. It doesn't matter whether she personally is aware of the significance. When someone goes on television wearing something like that, the meaning of it should be pointed out.

219 alegrias  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:41:47am

A Protest Babe from formerly free Lebanon, she is not!

220 Jimmy The Clam  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:42:10am

re: #175 Charles

Wow. Now I'm getting hate mail from Rachael Ray fans.
Good grief.

Now THAT'S the part I find most disturbing.
WOW!

221 WrathofG-d  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:42:32am

re: #216 Occasional Reader

Last week Arab billionaires met to discuss making a couple billion dollar buisness investments in the Phakestinian occupied areas. They have an economy, business, high rises, markets, etc. Don't let the propaganda fool you.

222 thepresenceusmc  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:42:40am

re: #32 brent

She should be ashamed, but I'd bet dollars to donuts (sorry!) she has no idea the significance of what she's wearing...

That does not excuse DD for running an ad w/ her wearing it, tho... What's next, swastikas? Ron Paul T-shirts?

Hey, man, don't go comparing Paulites to crappy chefs in PLO headrags. I take that personally! ;)

223 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:43:28am

re: #212 Tigger2005

Yes, but then shouldn't the post say, "Is this a keffiyeh Rachel Ray is wearing in this DD commercial? Can any Lizards out there check into this, and see if DD and Rachel are aware of what the keffiyeh represents?"

Wow! Charles has stated:

As for the scarf, it *really* looks like a kaffiyeh to me; the video's too low res to be 100% certain, but it's got most of the elements of a kaffiyeh.

If it isn't a genuine made-in-Gaza scarf, it's obviously inspired by it.

He believes it to be, and you said:


"It's Charles' blog obviously..."
224 TalkinKamel  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:43:34am

re: #214 alegrias

Agreed. We really shouldn't let stuff like this pass. The myth of the Noble, Oppressed Palestinians is a dangerous one, and is built up by countless, supposedly small things, such as celebrities donning kefiyahs, hip fashionistas selling "Victimimization" T-shirts with pics of cute Palestinian kids (a la Urban Outfitters), and so forth.

This kind of soft agitprop really has to get stamped on, and hard, and fast.

225 alegrias  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:43:36am

re: #218 Charles

* * *
Thank you Charles for the eye-opening education you provide to people who may link here for whatever reason.

226 JammieWearingFool  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:44:13am

re: #212 Tigger2005

The keffiyeh fashion craze goes back a couple years at least.

Very chic in moonbat circles. They know what it represents. If they don't, they're even dumber than they look. I suspect in Ray's case she's probably somewhere in the middle, the clueless trendoid.

227 Adamski  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:44:16am

President: will.kussel@dunkinbrands.com
Brand Marketing Officer: frances.allen@dunkinbrands.com
Sr Brand Director: scott.hudler@dunkinbrands.com
781-737-3000

Their ad agency who likely came up with the idea:
SR. VP: cstockwell@hhcc.com (Cindy Stockwell)
Assoc. Media Dir: kflaman@hhcc.com (Kelly Flaman)

228 TalkinKamel  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:44:27am

Charles, yes, please post some of the Rachel Ray hate mail.

We could all use a good laugh.

229 anubis_soundwave  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:44:27am

I prefer KRISPY KREME anyway. Fresh and hot glazed donuts, easy to microwave for 10 seconds...yum.

Those donuts are quality.

But the nearest one in my area (Charleston, SC) is in West Ashley. Lucky for me that I swore off baked sweets until I can develop healthier eating habits. :)

DUNKIN' DONUTS...they're okay.

As to the Racheal Ray hate: I don't get it. I actually enjoy watching her make her own 30-minute meals when there's nothing else on TV. (I'm more of a GOOD EATS girl myself. That and IRON CHEF. A little Bobby Flay THROWDOWN. Choice food shows.)

230 TS  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:44:38am

Most DD's are owned by Arabs...not sure if they are mostly Muslims or not though.

Anyway, no more DD for me. As for Rachel Ray, I dont watch her show or buy her crap anyway.

231 uncle_monkey  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:45:02am

Does this mean that Urban Outfitters will start selling Rachael Ray blow-up dolls?

232 NYexpat  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:45:43am

re: #229 anubis_soundwave

Good Eats, yup I do love Alton Brown!

233 WrathofG-d  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:45:57am

re: #226 JammieWearingFool

my guess would be that RR didn't even pick her outfit. It was picked for her by the fashion person on set. Whether RR knows what it means or not is up in the air. I'd add that even if she knew what it means she would still wear it, because the people paying her bills told her to. That would not excuse it for me however.

234 ratherdashing  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:46:08am

re: #218 Charles

That's why I say we should co-opt the meaning and make it our symbol of success in the WOT.

Brigade Quartermasters LTD

235 Guy_Philly  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:46:23am

You people don't know how lucky you are to not have tasted THE BEST DOUGHNUTS ANYWHERE! Yum-Yum Bake Shop (in PA, of course) puts all other doughnuts to shame. Personally, I think Krispy Kremes are way over rated (I rate them below boxed doughnuts you'd buy in a 7-eleven). Dunkin Doughnuts are pretty good, but Yum-Yum Bake Shops are culinary masterpieces! The texture is very slightly springy, moist, not bitterness in the flour that is used, and they dissolve in your mouth. Stay away from them unless you want to risk ruining every other doughnut experience!

236 medaura18586  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:46:39am

Woah, the kaffiyeh has jumped the shark! You know what I think though? I think it's ultimately losing its meaning and just become a simple scarf.

Its signaling powers are compromised. Sure, you have the terrorist sympathizing youths knowing damn well what it is, the people you see in Zombie's pictures.

But then you have a lot of clueless douchebags who just think they're being fashionable. I think the latter group is overwhelming the ranks of the former, and the scarf is losing its meaning.

I blasted a guy in Waterloo, Ontario about a month ago. I was studying for a final exam, and this douche looking dude approaches me and my friend so casually, wearing a blue kaffiyeh, asking if he could interview us for the school newspaper.

I said I'd rather not engage someone so prominently displaying such a universal symbol of either douchebaggery or terrorism. I usually implode in cases like this and just get quietly angry, but somehow this time I snapped right away. He was genuinely hurt, and didn't know what I was talking about. I felt a bit bad: he said his friend had brought him the scarf from Iraq.

The only thing most of these kids are guilty of is sheer ignorance of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict...

But ignorance IS a sin....

238 alegrias  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:47:22am

re: #224 TalkinKamel

Agreed. We really shouldn't let stuff like this pass. The myth of the Noble, Oppressed Palestinians is a dangerous one, and is built up by countless, supposedly small things, such as celebrities donning kefiyahs, hip fashionistas selling "Victimimization" T-shirts with pics of cute Palestinian kids (a la Urban Outfitters), and so forth.

This kind of soft agitprop really has to get stamped on, and hard, and fast.

* * *
You're right, it isn't innocent symbolism at all, quite the contrary.

Mercifully Charles exposes their use of symbolism, as when they cloth their children in suicide garb instead of cute GAP KIDS wear.

Remember how they use Mickey Mouse symbolism for jihadi purposes, and cartoons on childrens' tv to incite children.

239 TalkinKamel  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:47:28am

Urban Outfitters is far more likely to sell Arafat blow-up dolls.

240 Kincsem  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:47:37am

Am I hallucinating or are there really three planes flying in formation when you bring this up on the DD site?

241 David Simon  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:48:07am

re: #231 uncle_monkey

Does this mean that Urban Outfitters will start selling Rachael Ray blow-up dolls?

The ass alone could collapse a lung.

242 Adrenalyn  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:48:18am

sorry to disagree but the best donuts in the world are at:

Donut Time in Oakland (aka Donut Corner)
on MacArthur at 35th Ave

243 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:48:22am

re: #235 Guy_Philly

A doughnut connoisseur.

244 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:48:29am

re: #240 Kincsem

Am I hallucinating or are there really three planes flying in formation when you bring this up on the DD site?

They're birds.

245 TalkinKamel  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:49:17am

re: #238 alegrias

I remember. And I think it's a good idea to make the consuming public remember too (or at least constantly remind them what these symbols mean.)

246 WrathofG-d  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:49:49am

Ok, so as it turns out, I can get in contact with her Agent(s). I would like to compose a polite letter to explain what she has done and the impact this is going to have on her bottom line across America (money is what will matter to them, they don't get involved in politics, and if they do they agree with the Leftist view)

If y'all could help me compose this, and we could find some organized way to do so (ie: not 100 separate posts), it would be greatly appreciated and we can go straight to the source.

thanks.

247 Charles  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:49:50am

An LGF search for 'kaffiyeh' shows that this isn't happening in a vacuum (except the one in celebrities' heads), and Ray is far from the first to show up on TV or in ads wearing this item of terror chic.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

248 alegrias  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:51:20am

I garrontee, Senator Obama would NOT wear this kefiyeh apparel to yesterday's synagogue meeting in Boca Raton, Florida...

Or am I wrong? Would folks still give him a standing ovation?

249 WrathofG-d  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:51:57am

re: #248 alegrias


Yes they would. Do you have a name for the synagogue he went to? (their website?)

250 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:52:26am

Just to be accurate; Kiffeyahs come in a variety of colors and patterns. The black & white pattern associated with the Palestinians is just one of many.

251 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:52:38am

re: #246 WrathofG-d

Ok, so as it turns out, I can get in contact with her Agent(s). I would like to compose a polite letter to explain what she has done and the impact this is going to have on her bottom line across America (money is what will matter to them, they don't get involved in politics, and if they do they agree with the Leftist view)

If y'all could help me compose this, and we could find some organized way to do so (ie: not 100 separate posts), it would be greatly appreciated and we can go straight to the source.

thanks.


My email to DD

I will assume (for the moment) that you are unaware that the wearing of the symbol of Palestinian terrorism by your spokesperson Rachel Ray, the kaffiyeh (the scarf she's wearing), supports terrorism. You may want to see blog:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
for info

252 Cowardkerry  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:53:11am

Rachel Ray. No boobs, big butt, and a loud annoying voice. Not a good combo.

253 leprechaun  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:53:20am

irrespective of the symbolism, this girl is a definite fashion victim.

It looks like she is trying to wear a sleak, modern charcoal gray top with an 'authentic,' exotic/traditional scarf to sell mass-produced junk food (of the quintessential American variety) . Sorta screams "I don't know up from down" without having to say a word.

Basically she trying to buy herself into having a sense of fashion she clearly lacks (second to the mindless trendoid comment).

254 alegrias  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:53:29am

re: #249 WrathofG-d

Yes they would. Do you have a name for the synagogue he went to? (their website?)

* * *
Sorry I don't, only saw images of the synagogue's huge interior, with Florida Rep. Robert Weiner (?)standing next to him, on Fox News Cable. Maybe their website says.

255 Tigger2005  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:54:12am

re: #211 WrathofG-d

Is ignorance really an excuse? It isn't in the law.

Well, when it comes to "Oooh, pretty scarf!" from a person who thinks of nothing but food all day, yeah, kinda.

I just don't think it should be implied that a business or a TV personality is a terrorist supporter until it's determined that they really are. The keffiyeh is not as obvious or well-known symbol as the swastika or the hammer and sickle. And people who might otherwise be receptive to being corrected or learning something are harder to reach when they feel they've been insulted.

Note that I'm not including companies like Urban Outfitters with their terrorist kid t-shirt, or those companies that market "terrorist chic" clothing complete with face masks. They know EXACTLY what they are supporting with those outfits.

256 rusty_armor  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:54:42am

Damn.

I liked her cooking show, but I'll never be able to watch it again.

I guess it is back to Winchell's donuts now.

257 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:55:01am

re: #248 alegrias

I garrontee, Senator Obama would NOT wear this kefiyeh apparel to yesterday's synagogue meeting in Boca Raton, Florida...

Or am I wrong? Would folks still give him a standing ovation?

Good point!
Will our presidential candidates don the apparel?

/actually not a good test for most similar questions concerning our leftists potential leader.

258 jamgarr  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:55:24am

re: #203 Tigger2005

I'll agree with you to the extent that comments like "she's a disgusting pig" don't help, particularly at a time when noone knows what, if any, motivation was behind it.

259 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:55:26am

kiffeyahs, keffiyehs....damn, I spell it differently every time I type it.

260 Alouette  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:55:32am

re: #249 WrathofG-d

Yes they would. Do you have a name for the synagogue he went to? (their website?)

Congregation B'nai Torah, Boca Raton

261 Tigger2005  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:55:40am

re: #214 alegrias

* * *
So we have to appease the Appeasement Chic fashionistas by not disturbing their appeaser world view with some facts?

No, but if they're truly ignorant, how does it help to imply that they're terrorist supporters before you've even given them the facts?

262 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:56:24am

I'd be fat too if I had 5 different shows on the Food Channel.

263 David Simon  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:56:51am

re: #248 alegrias

I garrontee, Senator Obama would NOT wear this kefiyeh apparel to yesterday's synagogue meeting in Boca Raton, Florida...

Or am I wrong? Would folks still give him a standing ovation?

The only thing The Messiah could do to piss off the liberal Jewish community would be to express reservations about global warming, national health care or abortion on demand.

264 alegrias  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:57:20am

re: #258 jamgarr

I'll agree with you to the extent that comments like "she's a disgusting pig" don't help, particularly at a time when noone knows what, if any, motivation was behind it.

* * *
We want to welcome Rachel Ray's fans to the good fight! Foodies have a lot at stake, as there will be no pancetta, vino, or lard-containing desserts in the caliphate!

265 warhol15  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:57:46am

To be honest when I saw the ad, I thought Ms. Ray was just draped in a tacky piece of drapery. In other words, no, not everyone is aware that this scarf is a terrorist accessory.

If anything, re-contextualizing the scarf may actually work in our favor -- but that's just my opinion.

266 justiceforall  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:58:13am

Charles asserts taht the "kaffiyeh" is a symbol of "Palestinian terrorism." Can he show us when and where the "kaffiyeh" started being used in the Middle East and prove that it was developed to be a symbold of terrorism rather than a symbold that was later appropriated by one group or groups that use terrorist tactics?

I mean, in India and some parts of Asia certain people's still display the swastika, because it was their "sun symbol" for thousands of years before the Nazi's started to use at a racist symbol. Does their continuing to use this symbol make them Nazis or racists?

267 jamgarr  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:59:38am

re: #264 alegrias


We want to welcome Rachel Ray's fans to the good fight!

I'm a fan of civility (not to be confused with naivete)

268 TalkinKamel  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:00:29am

#266 Justiceforall

Golly gee-whillikers, Justice! You STILL haven't answered any of the questions lobbed at you on the Urban Outfitters thread!

So why should we respond to your blabber?

269 Adrenalyn  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:01:11am

re: #266 justiceforall

Charles asserts taht the "kaffiyeh" is a symbol of "Palestinian terrorism." Can he show us when and where the "kaffiyeh" started being used in the Middle East and prove that it was developed to be a symbold of terrorism rather than a symbold that was later appropriated by one group or groups that use terrorist tactics?

I mean, in India and some parts of Asia certain people's still display the swastika, because it was their "sun symbol" for thousands of years before the Nazi's started to use at a racist symbol. Does their continuing to use this symbol make them Nazis or racists?

"terrorism" is not just a Palestinian thing
it's a Muslim and Arab thing if you want my opinion
were the 9/11 hijackers not all Muslim
and mostly Arab ?

270 alegrias  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:01:41am

re: #261 Tigger2005

No, but if they're truly ignorant, how does it help to imply that they're terrorist supporters before you've even given them the facts?

* * *
Dear Tigger,

You're right of course. Just because world's worst icky person Yasser Arafat wore this item of clothing all his life on his head in every picture ever taken, doesn't mean all these really savvy people who defend Guantanamo folks over US troops & Israelis, know they're imitating Yasser Arafat, that fashion icon.

But someone please fact check me. I think I picked up on this ugly fashion trend circa 1972 at the Munich Olympics.

271 cygnus  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:01:51am

re: #137 Arbalest

I looked at it again, and it looks like a studio shot with a backdrop. The light looks wrong for being an outdoor photograph. I could be wrong, of course.

272 Ciannaky  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:03:08am

I'm no fan of RR or DD but I believe this is nothing more than a poor fashion choice, the scarf has a paisley pattern which in Indo-Aryan in origin, in other words a symbol of the kuffar.

273 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:03:14am

re: #266 justiceforall

See my post #250

Now see here.

Anyone who has ever attended an "anti-war" demonstration understands that Westerners who wear the keffiyeh do it as a sign of solidarity with the Palestinians.

274 alegrias  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:03:15am

re: #266 justiceforall

Charles asserts taht the "kaffiyeh" is a symbol of "Palestinian terrorism." Can he show us when and where the "kaffiyeh" started being used in the Middle East and prove that it was developed to be a symbold of terrorism rather than a symbold that was later appropriated by one group or groups that use terrorist tactics?

I mean, in India and some parts of Asia certain people's still display the swastika, because it was their "sun symbol" for thousands of years before the Nazi's started to use at a racist symbol. Does their continuing to use this symbol make them Nazis or racists?

* * *
Do your own research, Charles doesn't have to do it for you.

275 Joel  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:03:17am

Who the fuck is Rachel Ray?

The other day I saw some old Marxist lady wearing a keffiyeh.

276 TalkinKamel  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:03:36am

re: #269 Adrenalyn

I guess "Justice" has never seen a picture of Yassir Arafat, or Hamas or Hizbollah jihadis.

Not that it matters. Justice just pops up, whips open the ol' raincoat to expose her snark, then vanishes.

GAZE.

277 ishabibble  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:03:45am

re: #238 alegrias

* * *
You're right, it isn't innocent symbolism at all, quite the contrary.

Mercifully Charles exposes their use of symbolism, as when they cloth their children in suicide garb instead of cute GAP KIDS wear.

Remember how they use Mickey Mouse symbolism for jihadi purposes, and cartoons on childrens' tv to incite children.

The symbolism of the Che icon is closer to the meaning of the Pali scarf. Last summer I saw a kid at the movie theater who was wearing the Che T-shirt. I asked him if he knew who it was, and he said, "Che". Then I asked him if he knew about Che's life and and deeds. Nope, not a clue. He certainly knows now, however!

278 guitarguy  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:04:44am

re: #123 David Simon


Yeah........Like I'd have to have been in prison in order to appreciate this:

[Link: estrip.org...]

[Link: www.shoppingblog.com...]

[Link: www.mediabistro.com...]

279 Spiritualized  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:05:26am

re: #226 JammieWearingFool

The keffiyeh fashion craze goes back a couple years at least.

Very chic in moonbat circles. They know what it represents. If they don't, they're even dumber than they look. I suspect in Ray's case she's probably somewhere in the middle, the clueless trendoid.

It was vaguely popular here (UK) with teenagers about a year ago, and I'll wager most of them are too stupid to know what it represents. It's easy to spot the genuine, unwashed, terrorist-supporting assholes that wear it with pride.

280 Joel  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:05:32am

re: #274 alegrias

* * *
Do your own research, Charles doesn't have to do it for you.

I first noticed the keffiyeh after the Six Days War when all the different PLO factions (Fatah, PFLP, PDFLP) used to strut and parade around for the media outlets wearing keffiyehs and swagger around with teh AK-47's.

281 Adrenalyn  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:06:02am

re: #276 TalkinKamel

I guess "Justice" has never seen a picture of Yassir Arafat, or Hamas or Hizbollah jihadis.

Not that it matters. Justice just pops up, whips open the ol' raincoat to expose her snark, then vanishes.

GAZE.

indeed and agreed
I believe, if my memory is correct
that on it's very first post
I hit the "report" button to Charles and asked for an outright ban or perhaps just called him/her as being a troll

it could have been someone else but I am reasonably sure of this

282 leboaz  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:06:12am

re: #246 WrathofG-d
It doesn't really matter if she's 'ignorant' of it or not. Wearing this type of thing is, at the very least, tacit approval and support of terrorists- excuse me 'freedom fighters'. Children may not know that their Urban Outfitters shirt screams a message- but it does. Just like the folks in Zombie's photos. Some of them may just be dupes, but they're still making a statement. Sure, they have their freedom of speech, but this is kinda like saying 'It's getting really hot in here' in the theater.

283 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:07:13am

re: #266 justiceforall

Charles asserts taht the "kaffiyeh" is a symbol of "Palestinian terrorism." Can he show us when and where the "kaffiyeh" started being used in the Middle East and prove that it was developed to be a symbold of terrorism rather than a symbold that was later appropriated by one group or groups that use terrorist tactics?

Westerners who don the kaffeyah do so in support of the terrorists. What's wrong with you?

I mean, in India and some parts of Asia certain people's still display the swastika, because it was their "sun symbol" for thousands of years before the Nazi's started to use at a racist symbol. Does their continuing to use this symbol make them Nazis or racists?

Neither, just ignorant.

284 Mr. Bingley  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:07:49am

I think it's just stupidity on the ad agency's part.

Dunkin' is in fact one of the few companies that was requiring employees to show proof of citizenship, if I recall a positive story from Michelle Malkin's correctly.

285 TalkinKamel  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:07:59am

re: #281 Adrenalyn

Spot on!

"Justice" is a troll.

286 abolitionist  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:08:05am

OT
re: #237 Alouette

Barry Hussein tells Jewish voters: My Hebrew name is Baruch

Baruch

blessed. (1.) The secretary of the prophet Jeremiah (32:12; 36:4). He was of the tribe of Judah (51:59). To him Jeremiah dictated his prophecies regarding the invasion of the Babylonians and the Captivity.

Jeremiah... heard that name somewhere... don't tell me...
And Babylonian Captivity --how endearing.
/ Way to go, Barry!

287 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:08:09am

re: #283 unrealizedviewpoint


should say:

Westerners who don the kaffeyah do so in support of the terrorists. What's wrong with you?

288 alegrias  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:08:18am

re: #280 Joel

I first noticed the keffiyeh after the Six Days War when all the different PLO factions (Fatah, PFLP, PDFLP) used to strut and parade around for the media outlets wearing keffiyehs and swagger around with teh AK-47's.

* * *
Thank you Joel.

Nationalists use symbols, dashikis, hats to signal their membership, support & love for their causes.

People dress to impress.

Ignorance is no excuse.

289 Joel  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:09:45am

re: #288 alegrias

Notice how the Hamas humanoids even in Gaza wear masks (and not just because they are ugly)? They try to intimidate with the masks.

290 Charles  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:10:23am

re: #255 Tigger2005

Well, when it comes to "Oooh, pretty scarf!" from a person who thinks of nothing but food all day, yeah, kinda.

I just don't think it should be implied that a business or a TV personality is a terrorist supporter until it's determined that they really are. The keffiyeh is not as obvious or well-known symbol as the swastika or the hammer and sickle. And people who might otherwise be receptive to being corrected or learning something are harder to reach when they feel they've been insulted.

Note that I'm not including companies like Urban Outfitters with their terrorist kid t-shirt, or those companies that market "terrorist chic" clothing complete with face masks. They know EXACTLY what they are supporting with those outfits.

You're reading things into my post that I did not write. I did not say Ray is a terrorism supporter or even imply it. However, the act of wearing this symbol in a national advertisement does indeed "promote" it, whether that's the intention or not.

291 Spiritualized  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:11:10am

Okay, I had to google this person to find out who she actually was. Turns out she's popular enough to warrant a derogatory blog: Rachael Ray Sux, heh.

292 Bubbaman  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:11:31am
293 Joel  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:13:30am

re: #290 Charles

You're reading things into my post that I did not write. I did not say Ray is a terrorism supporter or even imply it. However, the act of wearing this symbol in a national advertisement does indeed "promote" it, whether that's the intention or not.


I am seeing too many jerky college students in my city (think New York University, Baruch College, Columbia) to give them the benefit of the doubt that it is a fashion thing. These students look like the types who would be receptive to their Marxist, anti Zionist, anti Semitic, anti American professors.

294 nyc redneck  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:14:23am

somebody in the chain of command knows what this symbol represents and is either using it for sensationalism or to make a political statement. either way it's unacceptable to glorify this assh*le arafat and his terrorist cohorts.
it's playing w/ fire to be so frivolous and irresponsible and stupid.

that scarf represents the death of israel.
people who wear it need to be told that. if they continue to wear it, they must be acquiescing w/ it's meaning.

295 WrathofG-d  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:15:14am

re: #251 unrealizedviewpoint

That was a great start for me. Thank you.

re: #282 leboaz

I agree. Even if it were a "simple mistake" this doesn't mean we cannot comment on it, &/or have outrage. Freedom of speech works both ways (and really ONLY applies to the Government action)

That being said, I'm trying to write a letter to Rachels' agent (to get to her) and want to know how many people read LGF in a day, etc., (i'm trying to say that X number of people read this blog and all are furious and won't use her products now, Ie: this use of the Terrorist symbol is going to hurt her bottom line, etc. This way it will get through to the Agent etc.)

You don't mess with an Ent. Agents $$$$

296 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:16:03am
297 TalkinKamel  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:17:59am

re: #283 unrealizedviewpoint

Using Justice's logic, the next time you meet an ex-con who calls himself "Himmler" and has swastikas tatooed all up and down his arm, you shouldn't be nervous around him, because Hindus still use the swastika, and it was a sun symbol for years before the Nazis used it, and "Himmler" is a common Germanic name, and, really, we shouldn't take the tattoos, or the moniker, as some indication that this guy actually supports white-power, Nazi thinking, should we, I mean, jeekers, what's the matter with us?

(Heh, heh, heh. .. . )

298 incanus  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:18:43am

re: #261 Tigger2005

No, but if they're truly ignorant, how does it help to imply that they're terrorist supporters before you've even given them the facts?

If you donated money to CAIR, not knowing they were a front for the Muslim Brotherhood, would that make you a terror supporter before you were given the facts? Think about it.

299 WrathofG-d  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:18:53am

re: #290 Charles

I am writing a personal email to her Agent (someone I know, but not exceptionally well) and would like some basic facts about LGF if you don't mind.

How many views a day? etc.

I am looking for statistics to show that this scarf use has caused a problem for her image, and will affect her bottom line and popularity.

I am mentioning that I found this out on a very popular blog that reaches _____ people, with this demo ________, etc., and thus represents a very large demo or the American public and will offend their audience and Rachel's $$$ etc.

Thank you for any help.

300 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:19:50am
301 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:20:18am

re: #294 nyc redneck

That scarf represents the death of Israel. People who wear it need to be told that. If they continue to wear it, they must be acquiescing with it's meaning.

I hope you don't mind, it was worded so well, I thought it worthy of repeat and Cap's.

302 incanus  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:22:16am

re: #266 justiceforall

Charles asserts taht the "kaffiyeh" is a symbol of "Palestinian terrorism." Can he show us when and where the "kaffiyeh" started being used in the Middle East and prove that it was developed to be a symbold of terrorism rather than a symbold that was later appropriated by one group or groups that use terrorist tactics?

Strawman argument. What matters is how it's being used NOW, and yes, it is NOW being used to promote "solidarity" with the poor oppressed Palistineans against their evil Zionist oppressors.

Same follows for your swastika argument. If Vlaams Belang (or whatever the hell they're called) publishes literature with a Swastika, are they promoting Nazi values or sun god values?

303 nyc redneck  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:22:43am

re: #301 unrealizedviewpoint

lol, thanks and Thanks ;p

304 madisonsfriend  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:23:24am

Oh, Charles- "made in Gaza"- not really, they don't have the work ethic or the talent. the white ones we saw in Yafo were made in China.

305 Spider Mensch  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:27:04am

re: #300 buzzsawmonkey

BTW, I have observed in other recent posts how very much the radical Islamist movement in the US has borrowed from, and co-opted, the gay rights movement, primarily in its adoption of the "-ophobia" locution, and in its use of appeals to "human rights" to achieve special status not accorded them by civil rights law.

It is curious that keffiyahs have a color code, indicating whether the wearer is an affiliate of Fatah, Hamas, or one of the other terrrorist factions--and that there has been, for the last 25-30 years, a color code for the bandannas worn in the rear pocket, indicating preference for various sexual practices.

yea, I heard if the red and white kafiyah is worn by the pali, it means the goat takes him.

306 Kulhwch  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:27:17am

re: #1 madisonsfriend

I'm going to Krispy Kreme!

I hate Krispy Kreme and love Dunkin' Donuts, but I'm with you ...  Boycott Dunkin' Donuts!

}:)     [Okay, Lizards, what's my donut alternative, anyone?]

307 bluegrassredstate  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:27:46am

re: #31 pegcity

She sounds like a 3 pack a day smoker.

that can be cool sometimes

308 nyc redneck  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:30:48am

re: #304 madisonsfriend

Oh, Charles- "made in Gaza"- not really, they don't have the work ethic or the talent. the white ones we saw in Yafo were made in China.

isn't it incredible how they are too busy seething and rioting and killing to even make their own hate symbol? something is going to have to shake them from this path of committed evil. it is who they are now.

(btw, all the hate scarves i have seen are made in china. mostly poly/cotton, yuk.)

309 WrathofG-d  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:33:25am

how many members of LGF are there?
Viewers on average per day?

310 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:37:35am

re: #309 WrathofG-d

how many members of LGF are there?
Viewers on average per day?

Probably bout 27,000 (before the stick)
About 90,000 page views a day.

311 Charles  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:38:20am

re: #299 WrathofG-d

I am writing a personal email to her Agent (someone I know, but not exceptionally well) and would like some basic facts about LGF if you don't mind.

How many views a day? etc.

I am looking for statistics to show that this scarf use has caused a problem for her image, and will affect her bottom line and popularity.

I am mentioning that I found this out on a very popular blog that reaches _____ people, with this demo ________, etc., and thus represents a very large demo or the American public and will offend their audience and Rachel's $$$ etc.

Thank you for any help.

Statistics are right there in the left sidebar -- we average about 100K page views a day.

312 Fasternu426  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:41:22am

We have a do-nut chain here in Houston called Shipley's. Much better than Dunkin Do-nuts. Dunkin Do-nuts Doesn't have Kolaches!

313 WrathofG-d  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:42:40am

re: #311 Charles

Thank you very much!

314 Fasternu426  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:43:02am
315 inkling  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:46:05am

Thanks for staying on top of this trend, Charles. The last thing we need is for the kaffiyeh to turn into the next Che T-shirt.

Nobody can made the Intafada perky like spokesgremlin Rachael Ray!

316 Fasternu426  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:46:07am

Rachel Ray is kinda cute for a terrorist loving fat gal.

317 roguejew  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:46:31am

As annoying as I think RR is, I doubt she has a clue what she is wearing, only that it's "Yummo"...Her voice is like nails on a chalk board and her 30 minute food has to many ingrediants...I can get domino's in the same amount of time...Cold Pizza/Warm Beer...MAN FOOD! Any way, i doubt it's terror support related, just another clueless broad.

318 Fasternu426  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:48:21am

There's nothing that gets shown on any commercial that is not there intentionally! Everything is intentional. Somebody put their political ideal in there on purpose! Whether is was her or someone else, Dunkin-Donuts should be made aware!

319 petero  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:49:20am

You mean the Peace Scarf?

320 WrathofG-d  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:53:49am

So what do we all think of this? :

XXXXXX,

The reason I ask about Rachel Ray is this. I was on a very popular web blog (over 100,000 page views/ day) where I was informed that Rachel Ray is seen in a Duncan Donuts advertisement wearing a black and white PLO/Palestinian Kiffeyah around her neck. The advertisement can be found here: [Link: www.dunkindonuts.com...]

I imagine that the ad team, and Rachel herself were unaware of this clothing items meaning/symbolism, but the amount of outcry it got from the practically all of the 4,000 bloggers online at the time I was, was amazing. They are furious! They are outraged! They are threatening to boycott Duncan Donuts, and promising never to buy a Rachel Ray product again!

Why all of this anger over a clothing item? In short, although supposedly once simply a common Arab/Middle Eastern scarf, this black and white kiffeyah (also known as a shemag) has come to represent solidarity with the PLO (Palestine Liberation Organization) and is seen as a very Anti-Israel, Anti-Jewish symbol. (wiki: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...] (This is very similar to how the swastika went from a Hindu symbol to universally being recognized as the Nazi symbol). This scarf/kiffeyah/shemag is most commonly associated with advocacy of numerous Terrorist organizations (including those that have murdered Americans), and was made internationally recognizable by Yassir Arafat ([Link: aolsearch.aol.com...] It is seen by most Jews around the world as a very offensive, and Anti-Semitic symbol. This scarf has also oddly been accepted by neo-Nazis ([Link: upload.wikimedia.org...]

The bottom line here is that Rachel Ray has (most likely) unintentionally stepped into a highly politicized issue that has already started to offend and insult what I assume is her intended audience (middle America) and could permanently hurt her brand.

This is something that I thought (__"her West Coast Agent"___), you, "the team" and especially (___"her point agent"__) would want to know about and take care of immediately, before one of your most popular and successful clients is irremediably harmed.

Sincerely,

XXXXXXXX
________________________________________
The only reason I didn't include direct mention to LGF, is because I am afraid (as has often been the case when I have used it as a siting source during conversations with Liberals) that they would discredit the facts because of their political views of what is covered by LGF.

321 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:55:47am

Do the Palistinians weave kiffeyas out of gun-cotton?

322 xenon23  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:58:07am

Ummm I don't get it>

I must be missing something.

I just see an ad for coffee?

What am I missing here?

323 bianchi_roadie  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:58:33am

re: #11 buzzsawmonkey

re: kosher DD - yes there are some individual DD franchises that are kosher. There was at least one in Baltimore when I lived there.

I agree that Rachel Ray probably doesn't know the history of the scarf, she probably just wore it (or agreed to wear it) because she assumed it was trendy - other celebs wear them after all. She should be told what it stands for, then decide if she wants to continue wearing it.

Personally I dislike RR for a multitude of reasons.

324 medaura18586  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:59:02am

re: #293 Joel

I am seeing too many jerky college students in my city (think New York University, Baruch College, Columbia) to give them the benefit of the doubt that it is a fashion thing. These students look like the types who would be receptive to their Marxist, anti Zionist, anti Semitic, anti American professors.

Trust me, there are many people who don't know! Whenever I have discussed pet-peeves with friends at university (20-22 years of age) I include the kaffiyeh. None of my friends so far have had any idea what I was talking about. Whenever, in disbelief over their ignorance, I'd shown them pictures of the scarf from Google images, they are still mostly clueless. Some vaguely recollect having seen the scarf around, but they don't know what it is and what it stands for. They think it's just a scarf.

Such gross ignorance of the Middle East conflicts as implied by not knowing what the kaffiyeh is, is in itself abominable. But still, many, not to say the majority of douches you see sporting that scarf, don't know what it is. They're just useful idiots.

325 inkling  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:00:24am

re: #320 WrathofG-d

Looks like a great letter. The only change I see is to correct the spelling of Dunkin' Donuts

326 calcajun  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:00:27am

re: #319 petero

Yes, for those who wish to scarf in peace. Look, this lady is a cook. She has a world view that does not go beyond her studio, kitchen and office. She's probably got a grasp of history not unlike Cameron Diaz, who was dense enough to wear a Mao bag in parts of Peru that remember all too well what the Marxist rebels did in that area. She's not unlike the dummies who wear Che t-shirts 'cause it's chic. (You should see their reactions when I ask if they would be offended if I wore a Hitler/Himmler/Heydrich shirt; the just don't know their mass-murderers)

The key is education- most people do not know that they are being duped.

327 WrathofG-d  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:00:49am

re: #324 medaura18586

and the straight armed Roman salute is just a salute and goose stepping is just a walk.

328 Gathering Storm  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:01:08am

I think it's important to give DD the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. As far as I know, they're a good American brand. Education, not anger or ranting, is in order. For better or worse, many in this country are unaware of such things.

"Why is Rachel Ray promoting your products while wearing a kaffiyeh? I'm sure it's an honest mistake by someone in the marketing department, but is DD aware of the history surrounding this article of clothing? The kaffiyeh has a direct historical link to terrorist organizations, like the Palestinian Liberation Organization. I would think that in the future DD, a brand that allegedly keeps America running, might want to be a tad more careful about such things.

I would hate to take my business to Starbucks or another competitor."

329 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:01:19am

re: #320 WrathofG-d

They will undoubtedly ask: which blog?
Spelling = Dunkin' Donuts

Excellent work!

330 Abu Al-Poopypants  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:02:13am

Blowing up Jews isn't Yummo.

I'm going to Honey Dew for donuts or Mary Lou's for coffee from now on.
(Two smaller local chains; I live in the MA town where DD is headquartered.)

331 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:03:24am

re: #320 WrathofG-d

re: #294 nyc redneck had a powerful line you may want to work in?

That scarf represents the death of Israel. People who wear it need to be told that. If they continue to wear it, they must be acquiescing with it's meaning.

332 calcajun  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:04:51am

re: #324 medaura18586

You should ask you friends if they would be offended if you wore a spiffy black wool coat, cut in the military fashion, and emblazoned with some neat silver piping, some lightening bolts and skull and cross-bones.

333 WrathofG-d  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:04:55am

re: #329 unrealizedviewpoint

If they ask, then I will tell them. I'm not ashamed. But until then.

and thanks.

I'll let you know if I get a response. When I do, its something very short. This is a guys personal email at work, not a corporate office where they create public statements, so its not what most are probably expecting. (ie: thank you for your concern...)

334 Abu Al-Poopypants  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:05:42am

I threw up a post about this over here on a Boston-based web forum.

335 snowcrash  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:07:42am

I used the phrase "pocketbook patriot" in my email. I hope I sent it to the correct dept on the website. I went to contact us and product feedback.

336 Abu Al-Poopypants  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:09:06am
You should ask you friends if they would be offended if you wore a spiffy black wool coat, cut in the military fashion, and emblazoned with some neat silver piping, some lightening bolts and skull and cross-bones.

They might just think you're a Motörhead fan,

337 medaura18586  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:10:01am

re: #332 calcajun

yes but that's not the point. The point is that many many people simply don't know. Like I said in post #236, when I caught a student (no less than a reporter for the school newspaper) wearing a kaffiyeh and addressing me, I blew out on him. At first it was a humiliation process (because I didn't know if he knew what it meant, and I assumed that he did), but when I noticed he was genuinely hurt, embarrassed and clueless, it turned into an education process. He said he'd read more about it and not wear it again.

The point is not whether my friends or the average kaffiyeh wearer would be offended if they knew what the symbol meant, but whether they do know or not while they are wearing it.

Me thinks most are clueless.

338 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:11:02am

re: #333 WrathofG-d

Hey, you may want to prepare a list for him of all the blogs that have covered this. Here's two:

[Link: www.wickedgood.info...]

Jammi's blog

There are a number of others I believe.

339 Optimizer  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:14:18am

re: #13 Kenneth

I love those guys.

As for RR, love her or hate her, she deserves the benefit of the doubt. I don't even know if these TV types even procure their own TV clothes. Just respectfully pass along the observation, and ask them not to do it again...

340 wanumba  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:14:53am

Honestly - I mean this. I really didn't know who it was. (No TV) Before I read Charle's comment, I looked at the photo and immediately thought it was an open borders activist complaining about Duncan Donuts' policy about hiring legals only. The scarf made perfect sense, the finger pointing at the stupid Duncan Donuts clientele, the tipped back head, the snotty pose.

THEN I read the comment. Bunch of idiots in marketing.

341 Grammy Cracker  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:14:55am

Charles.....when you posted the screen shot of RR at the top of this thread, did you create a name for it, or did the name originate with Dunkin' Donuts?

342 jayzee  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:15:37am

In all fairness even McCain's daughter wore one of those stupid things. They have become main stream unfortunately. That doesn't mitigate the stupidity involved in wearing it however. That being said, I am not buying anything from DD again until the add is removed. I sent a letter informing them as well.

343 Poopshoot  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:16:10am

Put some EVOO on that sumbitch!

344 astronmr20  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:17:55am

re: #23 father_of_10

Islam is not a race.


And Ray is not Arab.


I'm going to hope she's just misguided on this one. I don't blame DD for this... very few people have any idea what that rag actually represents.

345 Fasternu426  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:18:14am

re: #336 Abu Al-Poopypants

Did you say MOTORHEAD?

346 WrathofG-d  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:18:58am

re: #338 unrealizedviewpoint

That is a great idea. If you could find one that is "more neutral" (ie: not so dang-right-wing-fascsit-Zionist loving-fascist-Halliburton-Black Water...) it would help.

347 Noam Chumpski  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:20:27am

In their defense; I just called and was really polite and explained what this symbolized and the woman at corporate was literally horrified. I mean horrified.

I suspect that some "uber cool" art director thought that this would be "hip" and threw it in there on set. Ignorance isn't always malice.

I mean, I'm not trying to rationalize, but... this looks to be just stupidity and I suspect it will be removed wit' a quickenss.

348 jlemieu1  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:22:17am

DD's web site "contact us" link is now broken. I wonder if they got a new higher than normal volume.

349 astronmr20  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:24:37am

re: #339 Optimizer

Exactly... there's still "wardrobe" in the production of these ads. The thing could have been thrown on her at the last second, after having tried 3 other scarfs for effect before it in the shot. The chance of a politically motivated reason for the scarf to appear is not very high. Very possible, yes. Could have been a wardrobe staffer, or ray herself, but even though I'm not a fan of her's, I'm going to have to give both she and DD the benefit of the doubt.

It should be brought to DD's attention.. However, I'm not going to stay out of DD because of this.

Fact is, 99.9 percent of Americans would have no idea what we are talking about.

350 gman  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:26:58am

re: #198 Occasional Reader

I dunno. Seems like kind of a circular argument.

It's not donut logic. It looks like a kaffiyeh to me, and I've seen plenty of them. Whether or not it was sewn by Arafat himself or bought at Urban Outfitters doesn't matter.

351 astronmr20  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:27:35am

WOAH!

I just went to Drudge, literally right after leaving this thread, and there is a picture of her wearing the scarf at the top of the page in a Javascript ad promoting their iced coffees.

Looks like shots of her in the scarf were taken for an entire ad campaign; not just for TV.

Very strange coincidence indeed.

352 Kalak  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:31:40am

What's the problem? No Dunkin outlets have been exploded by suicide bombers yet. Sbarro, sure, but no Dunkin's yet. :P

I wonder if they even realized what their spokes-idiot was wearing, or if it was put on her by a libtard wardrobe designer at the studio and even she didn't know.

353 mattm  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:32:05am

Note to self: Don't purchase RR products. No only if I could break my DD addiction....

354 Noam Chumpski  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:32:40am

re: #351 astronmr20

Oh, that's going to be bad then. When you figure that DD could have paid a bundle for the entire package, Ms. Ray's fees, and ad placements; the ad agency could be in a huge pile of $hit for this. I'm curious to know who did it.

DD is going to want everything re-done. What a mess. Someone's going to need a new job soon and DD is prolly gonna be on the lookout for a new agency.

355 Clovis69  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:37:23am

I did some quick research on these things.

The plain, white keffiyeh is most popular in the Gulf states, almost excluding any other style in Kuwait and Bahrain. The red-and-white keffiyeh is worn throughout these regions as well as in Somalia, but is most strongly associated with Jordan. The Jordanian keffiyeh has cotton decorative strings on the sides. It is believed that the bigger these strings, the more value it has and the higher a person's status.

The "spider-web" black-and-white keffiyeh is often displayed by members of Arafat's Fatah party

The Islamist factions, such as Hamas, use green as a party color, but for keffiyehs they stick to the traditional black-and-white or red variants.

They are almost all made in China now, there was a factory in Gaza, but it couldn't keep up with Chinese pricing

Australian Army forces have also used the shemagh since the Vietnam War, and extensively during Iraq and Afghanistan, particularly by Australian Special Forces units. Since the beginning of the War on Terror, these keffiyeh, usually cotton and in military olive drab or khaki with black stitching, have been adopted by US and UK troops as well.

356 WrathofG-d  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:38:01am

...

357 WrathofG-d  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:39:11am

re: #354 Noam Chumpski

I have contacted Rachel's agent, he is going to get back to me.

358 Noam Chumpski  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:40:54am

re: #355 Clovis69

Since the beginning of the War on Terror, these keffiyeh, usually cotton and in military olive drab or khaki with black stitching, have been adopted by US and UK troops as well.

I've seen some photos with spec ops wearing them, but always thought it was to blend in. :)

The Chinese are just doing the work that Palestinians won't do. lol

359 Noam Chumpski  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:42:25am

re: #357 WrathofG-d

I have contacted Rachel's agent, he is going to get back to me.

Oh, cool. I feel pretty sure she just doesn't know what it stands for.

360 Guy_Philly  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:42:31am

it's a conspiracy I tell ya! Even lizards are doin it!

[Link: ndis.nrel.colostate.edu...]

361 Guy_Philly  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:43:53am

Arafish!:

[Link: www.aqua-fish.net...]

362 Guy_Philly  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:44:46am

Palemothians:

[Link: www.newmexicophotos.com...]

363 carlitos  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:47:12am

re: #342 jayzee

Exactly - it's a mainstream fashion piece. I was just in Sweden, where everybody wears a scarf all the time. This design is now fashionable in various patterns (not just the Arafat one). It's a design of scarf. Based on the way things work, you see a few of them in US big cities (where the uber-cool art director lives), and in 2 or 3 years they will be common here. I humbly suggest that the outrage is misplaced.

364 Alibaba  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:48:09am

The Che movie by Sonderbergh is not getting good reviews. I hope it takes at tanks at the box office along with the other Anti-American garbage that Hollywood puts out.re: #315 inkling

Thanks for staying on top of this trend, Charles. The last thing we need is for the kaffiyeh to turn into the next Che T-shirt.

Nobody can made the Intafada perky like spokesgremlin Rachael Ray!

365 WrathofG-d  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:49:36am

re: #363 carlitos

When an item which represents murder, and terrorism becomes "main-stream", that isn't a GOOD SIGN to be ignored as you suggest. At its height, Naziism was "main stream" and very "fashionable", yet I'd hardly use this "fashionable" argument to defend it. In fact, i'd use the fact that it is becoming "fashionable" as an argument to why we have to be MORE vigalent and outraged...not less.

If the Nazi armband became "fashionable" would you defend its use?

366 Grammy Cracker  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:50:09am

People honest enough to admit they're Socialists really ♥ the kaffiyeh....

A symbol of solidarity

367 kynna  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:53:03am

Y'know, those Food Network types are not the sharpest tools in the shed. I know, news flash, but it's true.

I used to like Paula Deen. She reminded me of a couple of my great aunts who loved to cook and had stories and were just full of love and butter.

But then she did a slobbering show with Jimmah and more recently had a whole spread in her magazine with Nancy Grace. I haven't watched her show since. If she's that stupid her recipes might poison my family!

As far as the scarf is concerned, I think its heritage should be pointed out to DD and RR and anyone else wearing/selling it. Nothing wrong with informing uninformed people.

368 Noam Chumpski  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:53:09am

re: #363 carlitos

I humbly suggest that the outrage is misplaced.

I'm not so sure. Symbols have power and meaning regardless of whether ignorant people turn them into fashion. It's ok for someone to be offended by something that represents so much hate.

I mean, here I am with this great KKK outfit and I can't wear it anywhere anymore even though it used to be really popular in my area. Joke, joke...

369 Grammy Cracker  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:54:18am

re: #363 carlitos

Exactly - it's a mainstream fashion piece. I was just in Sweden, where everybody wears a scarf all the time. This design is now fashionable in various patterns (not just the Arafat one). It's a design of scarf. Based on the way things work, you see a few of them in US big cities (where the uber-cool art director lives), and in 2 or 3 years they will be common here. I humbly suggest that the outrage is misplaced.

I'll agree with your assessment when swastikas are considered 'mainstream, über-cool fashion pieces'. Symbols of terror and murder are not, and should never be accepted as, mainstream.

/nibble, nibble, nibble

370 incanus  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:55:39am

re: #353 mattm

Note to self: Don't purchase RR products. No only if I could break my DD addiction....

Donuts, or the, uh, other thing?

371 Psaturn  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:57:03am

You would NOT believe this...my friends know me as a gourmet cook and so one gave a Rachael Ray's DVD.

Well...I saw her on Food Channel and I was like...huh?

And her line of pots and pans are kinda cute with the bright orange handles but I don't think they are that high quality. I will keep my All Clad, thank you.

372 Wearyman  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:59:26am

Wait a minute here.

I'm no Rachel Ray fan, but that thing just looks like a really long Bandana to me. Doesn't the Kaffiyeh have a crosshatch pattern on it normally? I mean, we're not implying that ALL patterned scarves are defacto kaffiyeh's, are we?

I mean, if I'm wrong on the pattern thing, fine. Then DD has some 'splainin' to do. But if it's just a scarf, then aren't we getting bent out of shape over nothing?

Besides, isn't DD the company that COMMITTED to doing FULL checks on all their employees and new hires to make sure they were LEGAL immigrants, and fired any and all ILLEGAL ones after repoting them to ICE? Using the kaffiyeh just seems out of character for them.

Unless this one was done by some pali-symathiser commercial maker and it slipped by the folks at corporate.

I'm withholding judgment until I see more.

373 pegcity  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:59:40am

those rags look retarded period

374 gman  Fri, May 23, 2008 12:00:50pm

re: #363 carlitos

Exactly - it's a mainstream fashion piece. I was just in Sweden, where everybody wears a scarf all the time. This design is now fashionable in various patterns (not just the Arafat one). It's a design of scarf. Based on the way things work, you see a few of them in US big cities (where the uber-cool art director lives), and in 2 or 3 years they will be common here. I humbly suggest that the outrage is misplaced.

I humbly suggest that I don't give a damn what is "mainstream" when it comes to a scarf based on terrorist garb.

375 restitutor orbis[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 12:02:23pm
376 kuffarharbi  Fri, May 23, 2008 12:03:49pm

This sartorial filth is all over Switzerland...even little kids are donning it. Various manifestations of brainless unquestioning displays of offensive images are rampant here...Che posters in Sunrise mobile outlets, Mao posters adorning the local department store for Chinese month.....I called the manager on that one , explaining that he was decorating his store with the world's worst mass murderer of 70 million people...the next day they were down. Kudos to him for good customer service but not for the crass historical ignorance. Most dimwits wearing the keffiyeh have no idea what it represents....they have no idea who Arafat was, no idea of Israel's history and its rabid enemies, no idea what Islam is, no idea of anything but how they look in the mirror and if they have a text message.

377 madisonsfriend  Fri, May 23, 2008 12:04:52pm

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

The fashion designer said in 2007-"the kaffiyeh is dead"

378 RedSoxNation  Fri, May 23, 2008 12:06:57pm

To defend Dunkin Donuts (and my favorite coffee spot), when they hire a production company to do the advertising, its not there fault that all of these companies are secret liberals who are trying to subvert the government...once again, the fun of conspiracy thoeries...oh well...I just want my coffee and "chocolate covered with jimmies"...

379 runrabbitrun  Fri, May 23, 2008 12:07:21pm

Possibly luckily, from these comments, I've never watched or read anything from Rachel Ray.

Regarding the kaffiyah, I'd just ask one question about her usual wardrobe choices: does she often throw on a heavyish decorative scarf over a summery, short-sleeved dress or tee shirt? (I sure don't, and I'm moderately fashionable, at least for a granma).

If not, it may be significant if she 'just happened" to throw on this one - and only this one.

380 Edouard  Fri, May 23, 2008 12:07:42pm

re: #363 carlitos

Exactly - it's a mainstream fashion piece. I was just in Sweden, where everybody wears a scarf all the time. This design is now fashionable in various patterns (not just the Arafat one). It's a design of scarf. Based on the way things work, you see a few of them in US big cities (where the uber-cool art director lives), and in 2 or 3 years they will be common here. I humbly suggest that the outrage is misplaced.

If it's a "mainstream fashion piece" now, that's a crying shame. I suspect you don't know the whole story behind this terrorist emblem, and I submit that ignorance of the kaffiyeh's murderous connotations does not excuse its careless acceptance as a "fashion" accessory.

381 BIGDUKE 6  Fri, May 23, 2008 12:12:34pm

re: #18 Kosh's Shadow

DD ingredients are kosher, but the stores aren't, as they sell some meat products in their breakfast menu, and they'd have to shut down over Passover.

At least in the NYC vicinity , there are some DD's that are kosher - they're located in or near predominately orthodox Jewish areas.
But as a rule you are correct most are not kosher.

382 25years  Fri, May 23, 2008 12:13:54pm

From the linked DD web site, I clicked on "contact us" and sent them an e-mail. If DD has ANY common sense - the ad should be gone, soon. Let's see...

383 Joel  Fri, May 23, 2008 12:14:00pm

re: #324 medaura18586

I don't know what would be more depressing - them using it as a symbol of Pali solidarity or they not knowing it symbolism and using it for fashion.

384 BIGDUKE 6  Fri, May 23, 2008 12:17:44pm

re: #372 Wearyman

Wait a minute here.

I'm no Rachel Ray fan, but that thing just looks like a really long Bandana to me. Doesn't the Kaffiyeh have a crosshatch pattern on it normally? I mean, we're not implying that ALL patterned scarves are defacto kaffiyeh's, are we?

I mean, if I'm wrong on the pattern thing, fine. Then DD has some 'splainin' to do. But if it's just a scarf, then aren't we getting bent out of shape over nothing?

Besides, isn't DD the company that COMMITTED to doing FULL checks on all their employees and new hires to make sure they were LEGAL immigrants, and fired any and all ILLEGAL ones after repoting them to ICE? Using the kaffiyeh just seems out of character for them.

Unless this one was done by some pali-symathiser commercial maker and it slipped by the folks at corporate.


I'm leaning less toward a political statement by the powers that be at Dunkin' and more towards just plain ignorance as to the symbolism this rag holds.
I'm withholding judgment until I see more.

385 NappieRed  Fri, May 23, 2008 12:21:03pm

70 new Dunkin Donuts stores are being opened by predominantly Jewish investors in the Dallas market as we speak:

[Link: www.dallasnews.com...]

U G H !

386 john davies  Fri, May 23, 2008 12:22:50pm

For your listening pleasure - Eddie Shaw's Dunkin' Donut Woman

387 kuffarharbi  Fri, May 23, 2008 12:23:12pm

re: #383 Joel

I don't know what would be more depressing - them using it as a symbol of Pali solidarity or they not knowing it symbolism and using it for fashion.

I'd say the first is unforgiveable and worse than depressing. It's supporting evil. The latter I could brush off as the gormlessness of the typical fashion victim but still reprehensible and worthy of punishment. A shopping ban for a month and compulsory reading....Prager, Chessler,Glick, Gilbert etc.... on the history of Israel. And a test at the end...not multiple choice....with a 60% pass mark for permission to shop again.

388 alegrias  Fri, May 23, 2008 12:28:34pm

People have been wearing these in Washington DC near George Washington University going back to oh, 1988 at least.

1988 was the year the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia put on a big "Meet the Saudis" exhibition event either at the convention center or some other venue, & hired lots of Saudi students in the area to wear long robes & full keffiyeh-like headgear, with the special bungee cords around the head.

With CAIR & Saudi money funding special "academic" chairs & taqiyya & "resistance" movements, it's no wonder useful idiots are told it's mainstream & fabulous.

Robert F. Kennedy's palestinian assassin Sirhan Sirhan would agree that Americans wearing Arafat garb is a beautiful thing. I DO NOT.

389 NCusTranshumanist  Fri, May 23, 2008 12:28:40pm

It doesn't actually look like a kaffeyih. It's got some sort of circular thing instead of the normal checkerboard.

Sometimes a scarf is just a scarf.

Though I do prefer Krispy Kreme, myself.

390 carlitos  Fri, May 23, 2008 12:30:36pm

re: #380 Edouard

I never claimed to know the 'whole story' of the keffiyeh, but does it even matter what color or pattern they are? Don't all kinds of people - shi'ites, sunnis, even Jews, (and now Swedes) wear scarves with the same shape and cut, just different colors? Palestinians wear a black and white one, Jordanians red and white, plain white in the Gulf States.

Yeah, it's most associated with Arafat, but a lot of non-terrorist Arabs have worn a scarf like this for centuries. Not buying donuts won't change this.

391 J.S.  Fri, May 23, 2008 12:30:48pm

The corporate slogan at Dunkin' is "America runs on Dunkin'" -- with an explody advert (featuring spokespeople wearing the symbols of suicidal terrorists), that "runs on" just might take on a whole 'nother meaning...(as in "run for cover!" yeah, "America runs"...)

I recall during the Concordia Riots (when the "students" in Montreal went on a rampage -- due to having an Israeli invited to speak -- many "students" were wearing the Kaffiyeh -- they'd also pull the Kaffiyeh up over their faces and use it as a mask, to protect their identities when destroying property.)

392 danarchy  Fri, May 23, 2008 12:34:31pm

So if I buy one of these at US army surplus store, am I supporting terrorists or our troops?

[Link: www.omahas.com...]

[Link: www.galaxyarmynavy.com...]

393 DANEgerus  Fri, May 23, 2008 12:36:05pm

Meanwhile, SIMON MCGREGOR-WOOD of ABC shills for terrorists:

The Dangerous, Daring World of Gaza's Smuggling Tunnels

They are just the cutest little killers you ever did see... Let's look at some of ABC's other "related" MiddleEast headlines:

Hamas to Accept Israel but Plays Hardball
Carter's Controversial Meeting With Hamas
Will Lull in Gaza Spell End to the Violence?
Conditions in Gaza Worst in 40 Years
Israel's Gaza Attacks Raise Arab Anger
Palestinian President Ends Peace Talks

So... no mention of the Palestinian targeting of Jewish women and children? The Israelis just decided to risk their lives for no reason at all... There were the Gaza Arabs, just bein' poor, when suddenly...

394 alegrias  Fri, May 23, 2008 12:38:03pm

re: #390 carlitos

I never claimed to know the 'whole story' of the keffiyeh, but does it even matter what color or pattern they are? Don't all kinds of people - shi'ites, sunnis, even Jews, (and now Swedes) wear scarves with the same shape and cut, just different colors? Palestinians wear a black and white one, Jordanians red and white, plain white in the Gulf States.

Yeah, it's most associated with Arafat, but a lot of non-terrorist Arabs have worn a scarf like this for centuries. Not buying donuts won't change this.

* * *
Assuming you're in the West and value the West's unique freedoms, you ought to know we're in the 21st century now, in a war against people who behead people who don't usually wear these scarves.

Wearing the gear of those who behead people is just not cool in my book.

Vendors who use symbolism they don't understand deserve to go out of business.

395 Charles  Fri, May 23, 2008 12:38:09pm

See the update above, for those who don't want to believe this is a symbol of Palestinian "resistance."

396 gander  Fri, May 23, 2008 12:39:51pm

To help take the symbolic value out of the keffiyeh... we could put them on our dogs instead of a bandanna. If you have a pet pig.. slap one on him too. Maybe a Hindu deity sporting the keffiyeh?

397 RememberSekhmet?  Fri, May 23, 2008 12:39:56pm

HEY! Where's my hat tip?

398 alegrias  Fri, May 23, 2008 12:42:34pm

re: #395 Charles

See the update above, for those who don't want to believe this is a symbol of Palestinian "resistance."

* * *
God bless you Charles! Also note from your update information:

"...a Marxist group —wore kaffiyehs while hijacking five international airliners.."

This is September 11th related, this is anti-Western gear and obscene.

Oh, and Hamas supports the least qualified candidate for US President.

399 Shaky Louie  Fri, May 23, 2008 12:51:30pm

Dunkin Drunken
Dhimmi Donuts!
"Damn you! Damn you all to hell! "

400 Grammy Cracker  Fri, May 23, 2008 12:52:35pm

re: #397 RememberSekhmet?

HEY! Where's my hat tip?

Did you post that link, too? See mine at #366....

/GMTA?

401 RememberSekhmet?  Fri, May 23, 2008 12:54:55pm

I posted mine on 5/4 here

402 David Simon  Fri, May 23, 2008 12:56:54pm

re: #392 danarchy


So if I buy one of these at US army surplus store

Um, you are aware that those stores are in no way affiliated with the U.S. army, aren't you?

403 RememberSekhmet?  Fri, May 23, 2008 12:57:08pm

Dammit, just checked the linky. Don't even tell me Dunkin had the picture taken down. Fair use, you obamabot, beer-hogging assholes!

404 GGMac  Fri, May 23, 2008 12:58:19pm

Haven't read the entire thread - this may have already been done/mentioned by others.

I tried sending Dunkin Donuts an email, through their web site; when I clicked "submit" a Dunkin' Donuts page w/ "An error has occurred" came up. Tried again - same result. The error page has their toll-free #, so I just called -

Rep said yes, she was familiar with the Rachel Ray ad. When I told her the significance of Ms. Ray's cute little fashion accessory - that it's a kaffiyeh, and the symbol of Yassir Arafat's PLO intifada terrorists, and that the internet is ablaze with speculation Dunkin' Donuts may be promoting terrorists and should possibly be boycotted, she actually made some small gurggling sounds after being silent for a full 30 seconds.

I suggested she might want to notify the main office of their impending cash drain - she kind of whimpered that she surely would be doing just that.

405 RememberSekhmet?  Fri, May 23, 2008 12:59:02pm

Obamabot beer-hogging assholes being the .Mac team.

406 Grammy Cracker  Fri, May 23, 2008 1:00:27pm

re: #401 RememberSekhmet?

I posted mine on 5/4 here

Oh...I posted a link to Socialism and Liberation Magazine at #366.....

407 Mardukhai  Fri, May 23, 2008 1:07:21pm

I'm a film school guy, I know how clueless prop and costuming people are.

And when you call to complain, as I hope you do, please be nice. I don't think the company understood what their ad agency was doing.

They also own Baskin-Robbins, and there's a personal, family connection. Relatives still worked there into the 80's.

Dunkin' Donuts Consumer Care
130 Royall Street
Canton, MA 02021
Tel: 800-859-5339

408 Noam Chumpski  Fri, May 23, 2008 1:08:12pm

re: #392 danarchy

So if I buy one of these at US army surplus store, am I supporting terrorists or our troops?

[Link: www.omahas.com...]

[Link: www.galaxyarmynavy.com...]

They also sell "Red China" bags as well so your point isn't well thought out.

[Link: www.galaxyarmynavy.com...]

409 pegcity  Fri, May 23, 2008 1:14:57pm

re: #408 Noam Chumpski

tell you what, if u buy one and use it to keep sand out of your eyes fighting for america like the troops use them in Iraq im ok with it, otherwise fuck off.

410 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, May 23, 2008 1:15:19pm

re: #395 Charles

See the update above, for those who don't want to believe this is a symbol of Palestinian "resistance."

Or just see Wikipedia

411 dunkensterin  Fri, May 23, 2008 1:18:17pm

PROTEST TO RACHEL RAY BY WRITING TO HER AT HER WEBSITE

[Link: www.cooking.com...]

412 Noam Chumpski  Fri, May 23, 2008 1:24:52pm

re: #409 pegcity

tell you what, if u buy one and use it to keep sand out of your eyes fighting for america like the troops use them in Iraq im ok with it, otherwise f$%^ off.

I point out that his post lacks relevance and you go ballistic somehow throwing in that I should enlist just so I can buy one of those rags and use it out in the dirt? Classic.

Take a nap and think before you post something like that.

413 alegrias  Fri, May 23, 2008 1:30:10pm

re: #407 Mardukhai

I'm a film school guy, I know how clueless prop and costuming people are.

And when you call to complain, as I hope you do, please be nice. I don't think the company understood what their ad agency was doing.

They also own Baskin-Robbins, and there's a personal, family connection. Relatives still worked there into the 80's.

Dunkin' Donuts Consumer Care
130 Royall Street
Canton, MA 02021
Tel: 800-859-5339

* * *
All the costuming people I've known did thorough research when putting costumes together.

Sorry, am not excusing ignorance of horrific symbolism.

414 erp  Fri, May 23, 2008 1:30:27pm

Got this reply from Frances.Allen@dunkinbrands.com.

Re: Ad featuring an Arafat headscarf
Thank you for taking the time to contact Dunkin' Donuts regarding your concerns about the Rachael Ray advertisement. In the ad that you reference, Rachael is wearing a black-and-white silk scarf with a paisley design purchased at a U.S. retail store and selected by her stylist for the advertising shoot. This is not a 'keffiyeh', which is typically a checkered and cotton/wool fabric.
____

My reply to her was:
Close enough for government work.

415 chingachgook  Fri, May 23, 2008 1:31:36pm

re: #394 alegrias

I believe you express my feelings on this as well. However, I would like to count to ten, give DD and RR a chance to explain themselves. Rachel's show came on around the time I decided to learn some things about cooking. (I actually learned if an idiot could cook, I could do at least as well if not better) As far as Dunkin Donuts go, I hate KK and get a great sugar-rush from DD's lemon-filled donuts. I wouldn't last long in an interrogation-room if they held these back. That said, their in deepdo (boycott) if found guilty.

416 EnDash  Fri, May 23, 2008 1:38:39pm

The kaffiyeh is a symbol of Palestinian terrorism all right, but what Rachel Ray is wearing in the commercial doesn't look like a kaffiyeh at all to my eyes!

The traditional pattern, as worn by Arafat is an all-over form of check. The scarf worn by Ray has a design that is quite variegated and bears little resemblance to the kaffiyeh pattern on close inspection.

I think it's just a designer scarf that happens to remotely resemble the Palestinian version -- bust just remotely.

Give the nice lady a break, guys!

417 astronmr20  Fri, May 23, 2008 1:39:33pm

re: #414 erp

Got this reply from Frances.Allen@dunkinbrands.com.

Re: Ad featuring an Arafat headscarf
Thank you for taking the time to contact Dunkin' Donuts regarding your concerns about the Rachael Ray advertisement. In the ad that you reference, Rachael is wearing a black-and-white silk scarf with a paisley design purchased at a U.S. retail store and selected by her stylist for the advertising shoot. This is not a 'keffiyeh', which is typically a checkered and cotton/wool fabric.
____

My reply to her was:
Close enough for government work.

That's really what I was expecting... this was some production assistant, wardrobe person, or "hairstylist" that threw it on at the last moment.. and was probably clueless.

418 Noam Chumpski  Fri, May 23, 2008 1:44:30pm

re: #416 EnDash

The kaffiyeh is a symbol of Palestinian terrorism all right, but what Rachel Ray is wearing in the commercial doesn't look like a kaffiyeh at all to my eyes!

The traditional pattern, as worn by Arafat is an all-over form of check. The scarf worn by Ray has a design that is quite variegated and bears little resemblance to the kaffiyeh pattern on close inspection.

I think it's just a designer scarf that happens to remotely resemble the Palestinian version -- bust just remotely.

Give the nice lady a break, guys!

I'm with you, but the problem is that it used in an ad. In an ad you get a couple of seconds and the goal is to not alienate large portions of the population. This ad could (as seen in the posts above) give someone the impression that they are using a Pali scarf. That's not smart or a good strategy for them.

The truth is irrelevant if you aren't on the scene to spell it out, you know? The Ad shop should have known better.

419 alegrias  Fri, May 23, 2008 1:45:38pm

re: #414 erp

Got this reply from Frances.Allen@dunkinbrands.com.

Re: Ad featuring an Arafat headscarf
Thank you for taking the time to contact Dunkin' Donuts regarding your concerns about the Rachael Ray advertisement. In the ad that you reference, Rachael is wearing a black-and-white silk scarf with a paisley design purchased at a U.S. retail store and selected by her stylist for the advertising shoot. This is not a 'keffiyeh', which is typically a checkered and cotton/wool fabric.
____

My reply to her was:
Close enough for government work.

* * *
Thank you for writing them. Hmmmm, they retort with attitude, defending with a very technical description (it's PAISLEY people, chill out!) & they skirt around the fact it still looks like radical ideological gear, only in silk and by design.

Paisley print origins are Persian, yes, from Iran, and in India, from the mohammedan Kashmir region which is a violent extremist area Pakistan & India fight over.

* * *
The pattern is still widely popular in Iran. It is woven using gold or silver threads on silk or other high quality textiles for gifts, for weddings and special occasions.

In Iran its use goes beyond clothing - paintings, jewelry, frescoes, curtains, tablecloths, quilts, carpets, garden landscaping, and pottery also sport the buta design.

The pattern is sometimes called "Persian pickles" by American traditionalists...

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

420 alegrias  Fri, May 23, 2008 1:48:43pm

Lastly, costume designers select props to "read" well from a distance.

Whether by design or accident, if it looks a like a kefiyeh to your average person who may not inspect it closely, it IS like a kefiyeh.

421 astronmr20  Fri, May 23, 2008 1:50:19pm

re: #418 Noam Chumpski

All I want to add is that there are copious levels of departments and outside contractors involved to the tune of getting a spot produced, approved, getting the advertising time purchased, etc.

I've been both on the fringes and on the outside of this business for quite some time. Ad agencies themselves don't even do the production for their clients most of the time. Nowadays, it's not uncommon for the agency, a contractor themselves, to hire a contractor for the production.. after it goes through *another* independent agent who works with a group of indecent writers, film folks, and even music folks.

I can guarantee you; 99.9 percent of the people involved in this could not even possibly be responsible, and the chances of the person giving final approval for the ad even knowing that there is a politically volatile piece of cloth around the talent's neck is slim to nil.

It's good to have our guard up, and even perhaps politely inform DD and Ray's agent as to what appears to be on her neck.. but let's be careful as to not come off as too whacky when we do it.

422 gutneshama  Fri, May 23, 2008 1:51:12pm

The kaffiyeh is now all the rage here in Toronto. Most are worn by kids who I'm sure have NO CLUE what it stands for. If RR wore this disgusting piece of material and did know it's political connotation, she she should be held responsible for it and apologize.

423 Soccer Fan  Fri, May 23, 2008 1:55:01pm

I'm sorry to ask this almost 400 comments into the thread but who is Rachel Ray? I mean I googled her and found out she is a chef with a TV show but is she very famous or is she just into her 15 minutes? does she have a shtick like Emeril or sing funny songs like the Swedish chef or does she want smellavision like that other TV chef so many years ago?

/sorry for my ignorance

424 Noam Chumpski  Fri, May 23, 2008 1:58:52pm

re: #421 astronmr20

Yeppers. You said it well.

I'm in the middle of these kinds of projects and it's always the details that can mess things up, but I'm kind of shocked that someone didn't notice and mark the scarf as a bad choice and potentially inflammatory. It's just a really bad wardrobe error made on set.

425 Grammy Cracker  Fri, May 23, 2008 2:00:43pm

re: #423 Soccer Fan

I'm sorry to ask this almost 400 comments into the thread but who is Rachel Ray? I mean I googled her and found out she is a chef with a TV show but is she very famous or is she just into her 15 minutes? does she have a shtick like Emeril or sing funny songs like the Swedish chef or does she want smellavision like that other TV chef so many years ago?

/sorry for my ignorance

She is the single most over-exposed *star* on the Food Network. At last count she had three shows airing there, plus the talk show Oprah produces for her on ABC (?). Her face adorns cracker boxes, olive oil bottles, cookware, knives.....

Some of the rumors are hilarious....like she chain smokes, swears at everyone, and on the set of the DD commercial demanded her Starbucks coffee instead of "this shit", the DD coffee she was about to shill for.

You haven't missed much, IMHO

426 winston06  Fri, May 23, 2008 2:01:34pm

Whenevr I see a Dhimmi wearing the terrorist symbol, Kaffiyah, I ask him/her if he/she knows what this thing stands for and most of them have no clue.

Sad!

427 Grammy Cracker  Fri, May 23, 2008 2:06:28pm

re: #424 Noam Chumpski

Yeppers. You said it well.

I'm in the middle of these kinds of projects and it's always the details that can mess things up, but I'm kind of shocked that someone didn't notice and mark the scarf as a bad choice and potentially inflammatory. It's just a really bad wardrobe error made on set.

It's been YEARS since I worked in advertising, but I'm confident the client - DD - previewed the ads before approving them. Are they collectively so dumb?

If the *stylist* had tossed a little number on Ms. Ray that appeared to have a Confederate Flag printed on it, would that have escaped them? I'm guessing not....

And, FWIW, to me, the *scarf* does not look like silk fabric, nor does it look like a paisley print.

428 gman  Fri, May 23, 2008 2:08:24pm

If you've been here at LGF for even a short period of time, you will have seen your fair share of kaffiyehs and terrorist- chic clothing (Lizards despise them). These topics have been covered numerous times. This scarf looks like a kaffiyeh, regardless of whether the design is paisley. The only question for me is when will Dunkin Donuts pull this ad? Hopefully soon.

429 Sabraguy  Fri, May 23, 2008 2:10:12pm

I like the idea. Association with donuts cheapens the kaffiyeh, and destroys its value as a symbol.

Does anyone know where I can get a kaffiyeh floor cloth by the way?

430 Grammy Cracker  Fri, May 23, 2008 2:11:50pm
431 Noam Chumpski  Fri, May 23, 2008 2:12:46pm

re: #427 Grammy Cracker

Are they collectively so dumb?

If the *stylist* had tossed a little number on Ms. Ray that appeared to have a Confederate Flag printed on it, would that have escaped them? I'm guessing not....

The answer you're looking for is, Yes - they are. :)

And the confederate flag analogy is just what I compared it to on the phone with DD Corporate. It's just a really bad idea regardless of what it REALLY is.

Perception = Reality

432 erp  Fri, May 23, 2008 2:13:29pm

The person is charge is responsible for the finished product no matter how many levels there are below him or her and that person should be fired. Rachel Ray? Too stupid even for government work. She should just apologize on the air.

433 profitsbeard  Fri, May 23, 2008 2:15:48pm

Never liked her before, but for no more reason than her face

Now I have a better reason.

Airheaded pimp for terrorists.

434 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 2:16:45pm
435 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, May 23, 2008 2:16:48pm

I don't have much of a sweet tooth, and I can't remember the last time I've eaten a dough-nut, but it had to be several years ago. So, me not going to Dunkin Donuts would be a lot like a house cat not going to the local swimmin' hole.

Now if someone were to wear a kaffiyeh in a Spam commercial, I would be one very unhappy, boycotting Lizard.

/NOW what am I gonna put in my scrambled eggs?

436 TweetyPie  Fri, May 23, 2008 2:18:12pm

London Arabic-Language Daily: "Kabbalah-Inspired Fashion Reaches Saudi Youth"
[Link: www.memri.org...]

The Jewish answer to that wretched scarf. Sweet!

437 Soccer Fan  Fri, May 23, 2008 2:20:42pm

re: #425 Grammy Cracker

Thanks Grammy... I've been out of the country now for almost 3 years straight and I guess I've missed out on some of the latest "pop" culture stuff.

438 Noam Chumpski  Fri, May 23, 2008 2:21:35pm

re: #430 Grammy Cracker

Where some see fashion, others see politics

It's pretty funny that the same paper that condemns the "rich history" of the Confederate battle flag will celebrate the "rich history" of that rag and give it a pass.

Liberals can't even stay on course. If one symbol is bad because it's adopted by some terrorists then so is another. If they could at least give everything an equal shake then I could respect them. But they don't.

439 Grammy Cracker  Fri, May 23, 2008 2:21:51pm

re: #436 TweetyPie

London Arabic-Language Daily: "Kabbalah-Inspired Fashion Reaches Saudi Youth"
[Link: www.memri.org...]

The Jewish answer to that wretched scarf. Sweet!

Bwwwwaaaaahhhh!

440 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, May 23, 2008 2:22:33pm

Blast from the recent past:
Muslim Dunkin’ Donuts owner sues over pork

441 alegrias  Fri, May 23, 2008 2:23:00pm

This is a teachable moment then for Rachel Ray's fans at home, cooking cooking cooking without looking.

Guess some folks never look up from the table & realize there's a big war on.

The days of people growing Victory Gardens and remembering the troops were only 60+ years ago!

442 Grammy Cracker  Fri, May 23, 2008 2:25:01pm

re: #438 Noam Chumpski

It's pretty funny that the same paper that condemns the "rich history" of the Confederate battle flag will celebrate the "rich history" of that rag and give it a pass.

Liberals can't even stay on course. If one symbol is bad because it's adopted by some terrorists then so is another. If they could at least give everything an equal shake then I could respect them. But they don't.

Hold on to your hats, boys and girls, 'cause you just ain't gonna believe this:

Apparently, the NYT got the story ALL WRONG?

443 Noam Chumpski  Fri, May 23, 2008 2:26:45pm

re: #441 alegrias

The days of people growing Victory Gardens and remembering the troops were only 60+ years ago!

I have my great-grandmother's unused ration books from WWII. It's pretty wild to think that you had to give over your stamps for gasoline and sugar and things like that. If you ran out of stamps you couldn't buy the item. Let's see how that would go over today.

444 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, May 23, 2008 2:26:56pm

re: #440 Slumbering Behemoth

Two snippets from that link:

According to court papers, Elkhatib, a Palestinian Arab, has been a Dunkin’ Donuts franchisee since 1979, before the company began selling any pork.

[snip]

Elkhatib sued Dunkin’ Donuts and its former parent company, Allied Domecq, later that year, claiming that the chain’s refusal to renew his franchises constituted racial discrimination.

[snip]

445 Noam Chumpski  Fri, May 23, 2008 2:29:44pm

re: #442 Grammy Cracker

Apparently, the NYT got the story ALL WRONG?

I expect no less. lol

446 alegrias  Fri, May 23, 2008 2:32:43pm

re: #443 Noam Chumpski

* * *
My mama visited post-World War II England in the 1950s and they were still rationing sugar! Mom was considered a greedy girl because she wanted a second cube of sugar in her tea.

447 Render  Fri, May 23, 2008 2:33:57pm

I posted the below on Rachael Rays blog. Any bets on whether or not it survives moderation?

[Link: blog.rachaelray.com...]

===

"Render Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
May 23rd, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Rachael,

Why are you wearing a terrorist kaffiyeh in your Dunkin Doughnuts ads?

NEED
TO
KNOW,
R"

448 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 2:37:07pm
449 Noam Chumpski  Fri, May 23, 2008 2:38:50pm

re: #446 alegrias

* * *
My mama visited post-World War II England in the 1950s and they were still rationing sugar! Mom was considered a greedy girl because she wanted a second cube of sugar in her tea.

Wow. That's a serious supply problem. Can they even grow sugar cane in Europe? Or do they use some other plant? Totally ignorant on this one.

450 straitcircle  Fri, May 23, 2008 2:38:56pm

Uh, I'lll stay away from terrorist donuts, thank you.

451 Edouard  Fri, May 23, 2008 2:38:57pm

re: #390 carlitos

I never claimed to know the 'whole story' of the keffiyeh, but does it even matter what color or pattern they are? Don't all kinds of people - shi'ites, sunnis, even Jews, (and now Swedes) wear scarves with the same shape and cut, just different colors? Palestinians wear a black and white one, Jordanians red and white, plain white in the Gulf States.

Yeah, it's most associated with Arafat, but a lot of non-terrorist Arabs have worn a scarf like this for centuries. Not buying donuts won't change this.

My main issue is that since we're talking about an ad -- potential customers are supposed to form instant positive connotations in order to feel good about patronizing a company and buying its products.

I took one look at that ad and I must say that my instant impression was the exact opposite of positive connotations. What we have here is not the kind of suggestion Dunkin Donuts wants to make to its customers. I'm sure that plenty of people as we speak are taking offense and letting them have it in their calls and e-mails.

Sure we can quibble about designs and patterns. The fact is that there are numerous pattern variations that qualify and are viewed as kaffiyeh patterns. If I have to squint to figure out whether this is "technically" a kaffiyeh pattern or not, then it's already too late -- we already have a failed ad anyway, an ad that says "terrorism" and offends a lot of people, whether intentional or not.

452 annelid[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 2:39:02pm
453 darcy  Fri, May 23, 2008 2:40:42pm

RR has turned into a whore! What a ditz, yikes!

454 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 2:41:36pm
455 annelid[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 2:41:57pm
456 Ceemack  Fri, May 23, 2008 2:44:47pm

re: #73 Alouette

Freshjive says F*** YOU to LGF and everyone else who criticized their "Palestinian kid with AK-47" T-shirt

These asshats also sell a T-shirt of Jesus with a bullet hole in his forehead. What class.

I went and read his calm, well-reasoned response.

Apparently, he can spell f--k but he can't spell "asinine".

He's every bit as classy, well-informed and thoughtful as you would expect from his t-shirts.

457 Grammy Cracker  Fri, May 23, 2008 2:46:04pm

re: #454 buzzsawmonkey

Beet sugar was used as a substitute for cane sugar in WWI and WWII.

In Michigan, we still do....

Sweet Michigan

458 bombarafat  Fri, May 23, 2008 2:57:02pm

I'll take my business to starbucks

459 TweetyPie  Fri, May 23, 2008 3:04:04pm

re: #448 buzzsawmonkey

Rationing was still going on in England in the early '60s. Not for everything, but for some items.

Actually, rationing went out in England in 1954
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

460 TalkinKamel  Fri, May 23, 2008 3:05:17pm

re: #456 Ceemack

The sooner this guy goes out of business, and takes his lousy T-shirts with him, the better for the world in general.

461 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 3:05:22pm
462 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 3:06:48pm
463 Ben-Ami  Fri, May 23, 2008 3:08:23pm

re: #11 buzzsawmonkey

Krispy Kreme--at least in their NYC 23rd street store--are/were kosher.

I don't somehow think DD can make the same claim.

No, there are kosher DDs.

464 TalkinKamel  Fri, May 23, 2008 3:09:45pm

re: #456 Ceemack

It'd be kinda fun if Charles ran a thread on Freshjive's response!

(And I'd love to see the Rachel Ray hate mail!)

465 Grammy Cracker  Fri, May 23, 2008 3:10:01pm

re: #461 buzzsawmonkey

That must be why the population of Michigan is so beeten down--at least according to Michael Moore...

LOL!

466 TweetyPie  Fri, May 23, 2008 3:16:50pm

re: #462 buzzsawmonkey

Hmm, strange. I also grew up in England in the sixties and I don't remember rationing on any food items.

467 protestshooter  Fri, May 23, 2008 3:17:36pm

In my opinion while it's not in the most common design, it's well within the range of scarves you see at protests that their wearers would call a kaffiyeh. In either case, even if it's just in the ballpark, they should have known better.

468 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 3:21:25pm
469 arthurclements  Fri, May 23, 2008 3:30:01pm

SodaHead Poll Question:

Will you be wearing Terrorist Chic?

470 TweetyPie  Fri, May 23, 2008 3:31:38pm

re: #468 buzzsawmonkey

Ah, nostalgia. Sigh...

Did you read the article? It's a riot. This young guy brought up on convenience food tries to survive a week on wartime rations and has to give up junk food, caffeine and Cokes (I guess Dunkin' Donuts were proscribed too).

471 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 3:43:55pm
472 strat335slinger  Fri, May 23, 2008 3:54:00pm

I heard from someone who had a friend that ran a restaurant and RR came in there for her $40 a Day show. My friend's friend, the restaurant owner, said once the cameras were off, RR became the biggest (rhymes with rich), ordering people around, including the owner, who promptly told her to "get the H*!" out of his restaurant. Her producer came up later and apologized to him, but they ended up using his restaurant in the show.

473 tscottme  Fri, May 23, 2008 3:57:15pm

I just fired off email to Rachel Ray's midwestern advertising contact and to Dunkin Donuts to protest this ad. I don't see any difference between appearing in public with a kaffiyeh or a Nazi armband or a t-shirt with a noose printed on it.

I doubt Rachel Ray is aware of the meaning of the kaffiyeh so I don't see this as a personal moral fault. But maybe if she is made aware of the meaning of the scarf and this episode is made public she and others will stop being duped into what seems like support for terrorists.

474 chingachgook  Fri, May 23, 2008 4:15:06pm

re: #471 buzzsawmonkey

One of the posts mentioned fish & chips, which I gather have rather gone out in England these days. But a nice greasy bundle of cod in newspaper, with a lot of malt vinegar, still makes my mouth water.

I'd give anything to have some Arthur Treacher's Fish & Chips right now.

475 Colonel Panik  Fri, May 23, 2008 4:26:29pm

re: #474 chingachgook

And a Fuller's ESB to go with it.

476 Chingachgook  Fri, May 23, 2008 5:09:14pm

re: #475 Colonel Panik

I stopped drinking american beer becos' of Fuller's ale and some German brews.

477 rignerd  Fri, May 23, 2008 5:18:27pm

Looks like a plain old scarf to me. Notice the broken pattern, most kaffiyehs (sp?) are solid pattern.

Don't care much for RR, and I would love to get some DD coffee but they don't have a store within 15 minutes of the house.

478 gman  Fri, May 23, 2008 5:31:53pm

re: #477 rignerd

Looks like a plain old scarf to me. Notice the broken pattern, most kaffiyehs (sp?) are solid pattern.

Don't care much for RR, and I would love to get some DD coffee but they don't have a store within 15 minutes of the house.

There was an LGF article last year about a company selling "peace" scarves. They didn't look "exactly" like Arafat's scarf either, but the image and symbolism were there, and that's enough.

479 inkling  Fri, May 23, 2008 5:32:39pm

Charles,

My post on the subject just received the following comment from Dunkin' Donuts Customer Service:

Thank you for taking the time voice your concerns about the Dunkin’ Donuts Rachael Ray advertisement. In the ad that you reference, Rachael is wearing a black-and-white silk scarf with a paisley design purchased at a U.S. retail store and selected by her stylist for the advertising shoot. This is not a 'kaffiyeh', which is typically a checkered and cotton/wool fabric.

480 gman  Fri, May 23, 2008 5:35:08pm

re: #479 inkling

Charles,

My post on the subject just received the following comment from Dunkin' Donuts Customer Service:

that must be their standard line now. Someone else got the same message above.

481 astronmr20  Fri, May 23, 2008 6:15:40pm

re: #452 annelid

Why is that a reason not to go? ?

A company should HAVE to be in Israel if it's in UAE? Even if it's not economically viable?

Give me a break.

482 DesScorp  Fri, May 23, 2008 6:32:36pm

This is why I'm proud Krispy Kreme started in the South. I like DD's food, but to hell with any company that does promotions with those damn scarves, Che tshirts, etc.

483 THELAZYC  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:39:06pm

That sure looks like a paisley pattern to me. I don't know if you can have a paisley pattern kaffiyeh. RR is wearing a dress with a paisley pattern on her web page, maby she just likes that particular pattern.

[Link: www.rachaelray.com...]

484 summergurl  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:05:58pm

That scarf doesn't even go with that outifit. Good thing she can cook.

485 Spiny Norman  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:15:16pm

re: #483 THELAZYC

It really doesn't matter. It takes a moment to register that it isn't quite like an Arafat "peace scarf" kaffiyeh, but it certainly appears that way at first glance. It's like arguing the difference between "Odin's Cross" and a "celtic cross"...

486 PayBackTime  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:33:03pm

Wearing that "peace scarf" crap is like wearing a kkk hood and robe and earnestly saying it's a "racial justice" fashion statement.

Rachel Ray, you are stupid, dumb a tool of enemies of the USA.

487 000G  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:18:18pm

With her finger raised like that, it looks like the pose the mullahs, muftis and grade school teachers often employ ("Lemme teach you somethin'!")

488 freedomsound  Sat, May 24, 2008 7:53:43am

She knows what she is wearing. I was flipping through the channels about a month ago and caught a glimpse of Rachel Ray on a travel show, wearing a Kaffiyah while in some Middle Eastern country. Wish I could be more specific, but I didn't care to watch the show at the time.

489 A Ziggen  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:02:45am

Old news in Canada but nonetheless here is a story of what a Canadian Donut chain is doing in Kandahar...don't see the employees with any keffiyehs. Not really on topic but it fits the donut meme.

[Link: www.canadaka.net...]

490 The Rebbitzen  Sat, May 24, 2008 1:16:56pm

I don't care what spin DD has--it is a kaffiyah. I recognized it right away when I first saw this ad on the foxnews.com website a few days ago and wrote to them about it. Very disturbing that foxnews missed that. Haven't seen it since. When I wrote to DD, the email was kicked back.

491 austinite  Sun, May 25, 2008 4:28:25pm

I always knew that whore of satan was a terrist.

492 smitheejr  Sun, May 25, 2008 7:25:39pm

This is why much of the world thinks America's a joke, especially the RIGHT side. While you're all tossing around big words like clueless, think about yourselves. McCain's daughter wears the EXACT SAME scarf. Is she an idiot or is she a terrorist spy...by your criteria for Racheal and Dunkin Donuts? Pictures of the offending scarf can be found on crooksandliars.com if we're allowed to link. It's going to be fun reading the posts on how STILL Racheal was being a terrorist lover but the McCain girl didn't know what she was doing.....oh, wait, that'd make her clueless too!
.................................................. ...........

Well, given that Malkin and LGF are getting their collective knickers in a bunch over Rachael Ray wearing a fringed scarf in a recent ad for Dunkin’ Donuts, shall we hear calls from them to boycott the McCain campaign, as it is quite clear from these photos that McCain’s daughter and blog-mistress is showing her sympathy for them “terrists” and Ay-rabs like that them Yasser Arafat? And as C&Ler Sean points out, the “Keffiyeh is also called a Shemagh and is used by almost every military force in the Middle East right now. You can buy it at most Army-Navy stores and is very popular amongst British, Australian, and US troops. It is not only used by the troops to help cover their mouths and faces during sand storms, but worn as a scarf to prevent suburn along the back of their necks during the day.”

493 lanmaster  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:49:08am

I occasionally watch her 30 minute meals show with my wife.
(wife gets some pretty good tips from Ray)

However, I am apppalled at this ad.

Also .... check this link
Did they darken Rachel's skin for the ad?

I may be over-reading what I think is happening .... but I would not me surprised if whatever ad agency thinks the kaffiyeh is "fashion shiek", might also have darkenned Ray's skin to make her look more Arab.

I'd be interested to learn if Ray is being used in more DD adverts, and if the same ad agency is still being used by DD.

Cheers


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