Every single thing must be fact checked.

There's enough crap working against our soldiers, and some asshole somewhere thinks they have to make stuff up? Come on- if you're going to make an effort to support the troops, leak something real.

There is no pattern of verbal abuse against uniformed Department of Defense personnel in the DC Metro system. The memo sent to Department of Defense security managers was authored at a high level, and exaggerated the number of verbal assaults from one confirmed event into an apparent outbreak, while attempting to shift authorship to another federal agency.

Soldiers are not being systematically targeted by aggressive anti-war protesters in the Washington D.C. area, but someone within the Department of Defense is willing to stoke those fears, without merit.

It will be interesting to see where that goes. Wonder if Congressional Democrats will demand an investigation and hold hearings? I don't. It's pretty much a given that they'll do something along those lines, especially if they can embarrass the Administration or the Pentagon.

There's enough dishonoring of our troops going on with Code pink and Winter Soldier II without stuff having to be made up.

The truth is enough.

Well, a woman could certainly be harassed on Metro. there are plenty of incredibly awful kids(I mean teens) who ride metro- loud, rude, potty mouths.

Any chance that it was leaked so that the story could be later reported as a hoax; this would allow future legitimate reports to all be questioned as potential hoaxs...boy this conspiracy stuff is easy and fun...and another thing, did you know that steel had melted for the first time on 9-11...

Oops Sharm, didn't mean to copy ya!

re: #1 debutaunt

Every single thing must be fact checked.

Every single thing must be fact checked.
Single as in 1? #1 as in first?
/sneaky

Lets get on the offensive in supporting our troops- SO tired of the Code Pinko's harassing our guys.Too much documentation of past insults- strike back for Memorial Day!

Sounds like a typical hoax e-mail.

Whoever came up with it made it sound like all our soldiers are wusses......that was what I noticed.
"Run to get help," it basically said.

Soldiers should be free to tase anyone that tries to give them a rash of shit about serving their country.

/imho

Calculated witlessness or moby at work?

I watched a soldier accidentally get verbally abused in a hotel elevator in New Orleans in 2006. I was attending a convention with a "costume dinner" that usually includes military and pseudo-military dress (for you children of the '80s, think G.I. Joe, Real American Hero).

This particular soldier was in full dress uniform when the elevator was boarded by two kids from an ICYPAAS convention in the same hotel.

One kid remarked to the other about "baby killers".

The soldier asked him if he would like to be beaten in the elevator, the lobby, or on the street.

Both kids fell remarkably silent, and cleared the elevator pretty quickly when we reached the ground floor.

Moral: I think most if not all of our service people can handle it.

No need at all for a memo, especially one that appears to have no basis in truth.

re: #8 VegasRick

Every single thing must be fact checked.
Single as in 1? #1 as in first?
/sneaky

Just sleepy. My boycott of Dunkin Donuts has left me groggy.

Personally, I'd love to see some moonbat attempt to assault any member of our fine military, just so I could see said soldiers give said moonbats the beatings they so richly deserve. I'd be happy to be the witness saying "it was in self defense!"

Wow! The Internet that "fact-checks your a$$" (sorry for the Americanism)...
is the greatest invention in History since the wheel!

We, the true "reality-based community" must appreciate this fact a whole lot.

And LGF is a key player on that scenario!

/So happy to be a lizard...
:)

Not that I am there very often (a few times a year), but the times I have been on the yellow line in DC I have never seen discourtesy extended to troops. When I saw that story the other day, I simply assumed things had deteriorated quite a bit.

re: #7 Intrepid

You were more concise, though.

I love the internet. It gets to the truth better that anything else.

/Now about those chemtrails...

re: #17 MigueldowninMexico

OT:Good morning Migs how's Mexico?

Love this comment:

Just before I retired, I was stationed in D.C. and used the Metro frequently. I had never been accosted, but I can state unequivocally, that I would have decked whoever tried.

If whoever sent this out hadn't implied more than a single incident, and hadn't faked the source agency, they could have issued a perfectly appropriate "be aware" memo.

I'm very ticked off, and I do think somebody deserves a serious reprimand for this obvious PR fiasco.

Reading Charles' link to Pajamas Media, I came across this tidbit: "Pajamas Media contacted the Federal Transit Administration Wednesday, and Velvet Snow, spokeswoman for the FTA, stated categorically that the agency never issued such a memo." [emphasis added, realwest]

Velvet Snow - that's the name of the Federal Transit Administration's spokeswoman? Wow.

re: #20 coquimbojoe

Hi Joe!
Mexico's in a mess (I hope at least a "controled" mess).
But things are clearing up a bit after a few months of turmoil.

How's up there around your dwelling?

re: #17 MigueldowninMexico Good morning my friend! How are you today and are you up early or am I up really late?! LOL!

re: #23 realwest

Better than Yellow Snow- (as in watch out where them Huskies go, dontcha eat that yellow snow!)

Was just asking about you in the lounge Miguel- haven't seen you there in the past weeks! Missed timing?

re: #25 realwest

Good morning my friend! How are you today and are you up early or am I up really late?! LOL!

LOL I'm early! I've been sleeping better at night, thank God, so I've been around a bit more during the day.
I'm glad as I was begining to feel like a creation of Briam Stocker (sp?). My fangs were already growing!

But I've relearned to face day-light again ;) lol

How are you and your dear mom, real?

Would the idiots please get out of the way?

Rush is doing the Shell exec, ... is he doing Maxine?

Er, yup.

re: #23 realwest

Reading Charles' link to Pajamas Media, I came across this tidbit: "Pajamas Media contacted the Federal Transit Administration Wednesday, and Velvet Snow, spokeswoman for the FTA, stated categorically that the agency never issued such a memo." [emphasis added, realwest]

Velvet Snow - that's the name of the Federal Transit Administration's spokeswoman? Wow.

Sounds like a porn star name.

Parents, please exercise care in the naming of your children.

re: #27 LEGION

Yes, I've been changing my schedule (sort of pushed to change it by some biological reason) so I'm a bit confused as to what times do what things lol.
In fact I haven't been in the lounge for quite a while.
I got to go back there, it's a whole world in itself lol. Just as soon as (hopefully) my schedule goes back to "normal" -meaning at least a similar time to sleep and do things every day.

:)

As I said in the prior thread, I live in DC and commute on the Metro daily. I see uniformed troops all the time, and have never seen anyone give them any problems. In fact, at least during the commuting hours, it is very rare for anyone to talk to anyone else, we all just want to get moving and get to work. I might buy it if the claims of harassment were based on weekend travel (lots of tourists and protestors show up on weekends in DC) but then you don't have many uniformed personnel traveling.

There's also the matter that the notice tells people not to travel in uniform to avoid harrassment. That's suspiciously overboard.

re: #29 The Other Les

Would the idiots please get out of the way?

Yes Sir!

/Steps to a side...

Was the purpose of the hoax to stop soldiers from wearing their uniforms on the Metro? That was the first thing that jumped out at me when I read the recommendations in the "memo" about how military personnel should handle this.

Frank Zappa! I love this place!

Weren't servicemembers warned to not wear their uniforms at a California airport recently or am I thinking back to Viet Nam?

If I saw Miguel on the Metro, I would harass him.

:') ....just sayin'

re: #30 itellu3times

Thanks- turned it on in time to catch the end of it- Rush Rocks!

Also- okay M in M- get that sleeping clock fixed!

re: #38 MandyManners

Weren't servicemembers warned to not wear their uniforms at a California airport recently or am I thinking back to Viet Nam?

No, you're right. Wasn't it in Oakland where they couldn't come into the terminal because they were in uniform?

re: #39 DesertSage

If I saw Miguel on the Metro, I would harass him.

:') ....just sayin'

On the metro, on LGF, in the kitchen, at the movies...

Hell, Sage woduln't even let me eat my burrito in peace!

/Burrito or waffle? Hmmmm...

re: #38 MandyManners

Weren't servicemembers warned to not wear their uniforms at a California airport recently or am I thinking back to Viet Nam?

They were. Recently, at SFO.

re: #42 MigueldowninMexico

I would only harass you because you are my friend.

....and I would buy you a waffle.

Hey Miguel! How are you my friend?

I have worn my uniform in public at times and never had any problems. People always stare but almost always also smile at me.

re: #16 MrSilverDragon

Personally, I'd love to see some moonbat attempt to assault any member of our fine military, just so I could see said soldiers give said moonbats the beatings they so richly deserve. I'd be happy to be the witness saying "it was in self defense!"

Actually I wouldn't want to see a moonbat do something that stupid. You need to remember that to the moonbat (or any other barbarian) refusing to submit and fighting back are life threatening crimes that must be punished severely. It is an absolute certainty that the moonbat (or it's mother) will file an assault charge against the service member with the local prosecuting authority. Who will with close to absolute certainty be a barking moonbat themselves.

I got calle the embodiment of all evil on Earth by a moonbat simply for suggesting that we should shoot back at the self-appointed overlords.

re: #35 MigueldowninMexico

Yes Sir!

/Steps to a side...

Not you!

re: #13 pat

Moby.

re: #44 DesertSage

I would only harass you because you are my friend.

....and I would buy you a waffle.

But...but...would you please let me eat my waffle in peace?

I HOPE you CHANGE!

{Sage} Yes, we are friends ;)

No me moleste angelinito, let my eat my burrito...

re: #8 VegasRick

Every single thing must be fact checked.
Single as in 1? #1 as in first?
/sneaky

This was funny!

re: #41 livefreeor die

re: #43 Ward Cleaver

Recreate 68, indeed.

Waffle? donuts? - I had pancakes this morning and now it is lunch time

re: #45 Ward Cleaver

Hey Miguel! How are you my friend?

I'm fine Ward! How about you? How are you today?

re: #48 The Other Les

Not you!

ROFL!

////

re: #46 Nevergiveup

Thanks for your service. Whenever I am in an airport eatery, I offer to pick up the tab for the service man or woman, to the waitress, anonymously. Lately I have been told that offer has already been made by another, in other words, I am too late. I will continue to do it in the future.

I have been disgustingly efficient, so I feel I've earned my coffee, then I must head back into the salt mine.

I think it would be a good idea to try to trace this back to the source. That's my two cents.

re: #32 The Other Les

Sounds like a porn star name.

Parents, please exercise care in the naming of your children.

How about this for a name: Charity Trueblood.

That's Airman 1st Class, Charity Trueblood. Received the Bronze Star for valor in Iraq.

Her parents chose her name wisely. Read about her in IBD:
[Link: www.ibdeditorials.com...]

.

re: #50 MigueldowninMexico

Hey, Miguel, I'll be your friend!

re: #38 MandyManners

I came back from VN in 1968, at Oakland Army Terminal, we weren't told anything one way or another about wearing uniforms. Back then, you had to be wearing the uniform to get a discount from the airlines. I walked all over San Francisco, Oakland and Seattle wearing the uniform, hippies all over, nobody bothered me. A few older people offered to buy me drinks. The hippies left me alone, although the fact I was carrying a captured rifle, which I still have, might have had something to do with it.

re: #34 Diamond Bullet

I see uniformed troops all the time, and have never seen anyone give them any problems.

With so many military/government employees in the DC area we should have been more skeptical of this story. Pretty much everybody in DC rush hour is going to a government job, the harassment does seem pretty unlikely.

Anyway- I remember during one of the anti-freedom/security marches (anti-war) - The Gathering of Eagles was down in DC counter protesting- and a wounded vet who spoke out against them reported on a talk show about how 4 or 5 big healthy but stupid Anti's followed and menaced him. Gee they are so brave. He came upon a traffic cop and the sissies backed off. Don't our uniformed troops supposedly have orders not to engage in replying to comments from 'citizens' anyway? We fellow citizens must step up and back them- especially us former military members. I remember hearing about how a Marine was being attacked by a gang on a subway- he called out asking for any other former Marines- a 76 year old passenger threw down his cane and stood by him and the gang backed off!

re: #58 Dad O' Blondes

That one sounds like the heroine from a old silent serial.

re: #46 Nevergiveup

I have worn my uniform in public at times and never had any problems. People always stare but almost always also smile at me.

That's good to know. And from the bottom of my heart, thank you for all you do for our great country.

re: #59 johnny 100 pesos

Hey, Miguel, I'll be your friend!

For a 100 pesos you sure can!

/j/k
You're my friend anyway, from before lol

re: #60 JHW

I came back from VN in 1968, at Oakland Army Terminal, we weren't told anything one way or another about wearing uniforms. Back then, you had to be wearing the uniform to get a discount from the airlines. I walked all over San Francisco, Oakland and Seattle wearing the uniform, hippies all over, nobody bothered me. A few older people offered to buy me drinks. The hippies left me alone, although the fact I was carrying a captured rifle, which I still have, might have had something to do with it.

Glad to hear that!

BTW, do you know if it got worse in the early 70s?

re: #47 The Other Les

Few years back some gang backers took exception to some guys wandering Tacoma Mall wearing boots and buzz cuts. Gangs bangers decided the "white supremacists" needed some "larning."

Gang bangers forgot Fort Lewis is home to the 1st Special Operations Group. Out numbered 3-1 the Rangers where the ones doing the teaching that day.

re: #60 JHW

Soviet, Japanese, or French?

My middle school son (who revels in his conservatism compared to his classmates BTW) came home and told me that the teacher was leading a "discussion" on current events and told the kids that the soldiers in Iraq are really victims who were tricked into going there. He was mad-we've had discussions before about the bravery and altruism of people in the military and he's very proud of his great-grandfather, grandfather, uncle, and cousin who have served. I told him to ask the teacher and the kids how many people they actually know in the military. I bet the total sum is a big ZERO.

re: #28 MigueldowninMexico We are well my friend, how about you and yours?

re: #38 MandyManners

Weren't servicemembers warned to not wear their uniforms at a California airport recently or am I thinking back to Viet Nam?

I think you're remembering Heathrow - at least that's what I'm remembering

re: #54 MigueldowninMexico

I'm fine Ward! How about you? How are you today?

I'm doing well. Busy here at work, wanting the three-day weekend to hurry up and get here. June is with the two older girls at school today, volunteering - it's "field day", where they have all kinds of outdoor games, a bounce house, etc. Just hope they don't get rained on (it's supposed to rain today, and it's overcast outside).

re: #68 The Other Les

Soviet, Japanese, or French?

Yeah, what was it? AK?

re: #1 debutaunt

Every single thing must be fact checked.

Every married thing too.

re: #70 realwest

We are well my friend, how about you and yours?

Everybody fine, thank God. Basically in good healty, my mom in Chihuahua and my son and family in Mexico City.

Problems all over, but once being in good health the rest is easy, really.

We all thank the Lord everyday.

re: #74 johnny 100 pesos

Every married thing too.

Especially if their last name is Clinton.

In the Seattle PI.

Whidbey bomb disposers pay high price to protect troops

WHIDBEY ISLAND NAVAL AIR STATION -- Six brass plaques with the names of six fallen sailors face visitors entering the headquarters building.

They are unusual in the way they were created -- by detonating a thin sheet of explosive over a plastic template, imprinting the names and design on the brass. The only sailors who make them are explosive ordnance technicians.

This is the headquarters of the Navy's Explosive Ordnance Detachment Mobil Unit 11, more simply called the EOD. The six were fellow bomb disposers, all killed in Iraq.

This highly select, perpetually tested band of 160 sailors are known for their cool under pressure. Their training never seems to end: underwater diving, parachuting and practicing ground warfare. They test themselves constantly to outthink bomb makers.

Quiz

Who married a bottle of Ketchup for 500 million?

:p

re: #56 rawmuse Good on you for that! It truly is the thought that counts.

re: #78 MigueldowninMexico

Quiz

Who married a bottle of Ketchup for 500 million?

:p

John F---ing Kerry

Exeter explosion: 'bomber' Nicky Reilly received text instruction

Investigating officers suspect Nicky Reilly, 22, who has learning difficulties, planned to commit suicide but do not think he could have constructed the bombs without help.

He received a message on his mobile phone on the day of the attacks which officers believe amounted to a "message of encouragement."

“He has a very low IQ and has received treatment on more than one occasion for mental illness. He would be very easily led," a police source said.

“This really does mark a low point for Muslim extremists. We are all horrified by what has happened here."

The comments came as armed police investigating the bombing arrested two men outside a cafe today.

Eyewitnesses said the arrests took place this afternoon in Old Town Street, in the centre of Plymouth, Reilly's home town.

Both men were reportedly searched and put into paper suits before being placed in unmarked cars

Paper suits?

re: #78 MigueldowninMexico

Quiz

Who married a bottle of Ketchup for 500 million?

:p

Jon Carry?

re: #68 The Other Les

Soviet, Japanese, or French?

Don't forget Chinese!

re: #79 realwest

Good on you for that! It truly is the thought that counts.

If I were an American -or even if I were in the US- I would buy for uniformed men an women. They sure deserve that and more!

re: #81 NJDhockeyfan

Cheap and disposable.

re: #80 livefreeor die

John F---ing Kerry

Didn't he serve in Vietnam?

re: #66 MandyManners

I don't think so Mandy. The draft was over the and that took a lot of the steam out of the protesters. My brother came home in 1969 and I asked him if anyone bothered him, he said no, just a few dirty looks. Most all of the vets I've asked said they had no trouble either. The moonbats might actually be worse nowadays to troops than they were then. I can say one thing for sure, I personally was in any mood for nonsense from hippy dippys and would have ended up in a major confrontation if any had bothered me, ditto for every vet I know. I don't think any service member would tolerate too much pushing.

re: #80 livefreeor die

John F---ing Kerry

Ding! ding! ding! We have a winner here! LOL

You even get extra points for knowing his real middle name!
LOL ;)

re: #86 jcm

Didn't he serve in Vietnam?

Why, yes he did. And the CIA gave him a magic hat.

re: #78 MigueldowninMexico

Quiz

Who married a bottle of Ketchup for 500 million?

:p

Is this a global test?

re: #68 The Other Les

American, believe it or not. A beat up 30'06 Enfield(not Springfield).

re: #86 jcm

Didn't he serve in Vietnam?

He almost single-handledy defeated the Khmer Rouge! He almost conquered Kampuchea, you see?

re: #73 Ward Cleaver

Yeah, what was it? AK?

AK-47 would not be allowed. Selective fire weapon; counts as a machinegun under GCA 68 and would require a Class III "tax stamp"/license (there's a technicality in there somewhere that I don't comprehend, since I don't have one).

The closest you could have gotten to an AK would be an SKS-45 (Soviet) or the Chinese Type 56 (copy with different bayonet).

re: #92 MigueldowninMexico

He almost single-handledy defeated the Khmer Rouge! He almost conquered Kampuchea, you see?

Wow! He should run for president!
/

re: #86 jcm

Didn't he serve in Vietnam?

I thought he single handedly fought the entire Vietcong army in Cambodia with that secret seal training he got?

re: #86 jcm

Didn't he serve in Vietnam?

I thought it was Cambodia. For some reason, that's seared into my mind.

re: #92 MigueldowninMexico

He almost single-handledy defeated the Khmer Rouge! He almost conquered Kampuchea, you see?

There's pictures of the event!

re: #66 MandyManners
Yeah Mandy, sad to say it did - Fellow vets - friends of mine, used to go to reserve meetings (stayed in Active Reserve mostly to earn a little extra cash) on the Subways in NYC in like '73, '74 and would be verbally harassed.
Just infuriating and
Just sad.

re: #90 DesertSage

Is this a global test?

Yes, and you get Carbon Credits ™ if you answer correctly!

You can even f4rt in Gore's general direction with those credits.

re: #83 OldLineTexan

Don't forget Chinese!

That would include Soviet material (or copies of same), Japanese material left over from WW2, American material left over taken from the Nationalists, and German material predating WW2.

re: #91 JHW

American, believe it or not. A beat up 30'06 Enfield(not Springfield).

Cool!

re: #71 wahabicorridor

I think you're remembering Heathrow - at least that's what I'm remembering

In Nos. 41 and 43, Ward and livefree or die told me that it's in San Francisco.

What have you heard about Heathrow?

re: #81 NJDhockeyfan

Paper suits?

Probably to preserve possible evidence on their clothing (trace chemicals. fibers, etc).

re: #91 JHW

American, believe it or not. A beat up 30'06 Enfield(not Springfield).

Sweet, although I am surprised they allowed it. There were plenty of American weapons in enemy hands; the M1 carbine from WW2 was passed out freely to "militias", which would lose them through combat or intimidation to the VC et. al.

/There were many more Enfields made than Springfields.

re: #77 jcm Hey jcm - great post and link.
Thank you.

re: #96 OldLineTexan

I thought it was Cambodia. For some reason, that's seared into my mind.

It beats being stuck in Saigon (Shit! I'm still only in Saigon...)

re: #94 livefreeor die

Wow! He should run for president!
/

Yes, you're right. Actually I know a worse candidate, but it is forbidden to write out his middle name.

I'd vote for Mr. Heinz before I'd vote for the modern Chicago mafia.

So bad an image I have of this "long legged freak"
lol

re: #98 realwest

Yeah Mandy, sad to say it did - Fellow vets - friends of mine, used to go to reserve meetings (stayed in Active Reserve mostly to earn a little extra cash) on the Subways in NYC in like '73, '74 and would be verbally harassed.
Just infuriating and
Just sad.

If they stayed in Active Reserve to earn a little cash, they succeeded. They earned a very LITTLE cash. You can almost burn up your respay driving there and back now a days. But the companies good.

re: #95 Nevergiveup

I thought he single handedly fought the entire Vietcong army in Cambodia with that secret seal training he got?

Please, unplug your bus from my CPU...

LOL

re: #87 JHW

I don't think so Mandy. The draft was over the and that took a lot of the steam out of the protesters. My brother came home in 1969 and I asked him if anyone bothered him, he said no, just a few dirty looks. Most all of the vets I've asked said they had no trouble either. The moonbats might actually be worse nowadays to troops than they were then. I can say one thing for sure, I personally was in any mood for nonsense from hippy dippys and would have ended up in a major confrontation if any had bothered me, ditto for every vet I know. I don't think any service member would tolerate too much pushing.

I never understood the reasoning for harassing someone who's just got back from combat. Why not just leave them the hell alone?! But, we're talking about irrational assholes so logic doesn't apply.

Gee. I'm reminded of Muslims for some reason.

re: #84 MigueldowninMexico That's because you are such a good and decent man.
And I'm sure glad you're my friend!

re: #97 jcm

There's pictures of the event!

HAHAHAHAHAHA...

re: #109 MigueldowninMexico

Please, unplug your bus from my CPU...

LOL

Well at least all of us lizards knew he was responsible for the defeat of the enemy in Cambodia. We were listening.

There is still a hippy in SF missing his front teeth, because he tried to prevent me from entering SF Airport to go home 12 hours after I came back from my 2nd tour in 'Nam. HAHAHA!

re: #104 OldLineTexan

You had to take it to the MPs and get an export tag on the weapon, and then it was stowed in the cargo hold of the plane. I know guys that brought SKS's home legally. One thing I never understood, I also had a crossbow, from the same weapons cache as the rifle, and the MPs would not allow me to take it home.

re: #98 realwest

Yeah Mandy, sad to say it did - Fellow vets - friends of mine, used to go to reserve meetings (stayed in Active Reserve mostly to earn a little extra cash) on the Subways in NYC in like '73, '74 and would be verbally harassed.
Just infuriating and
Just sad.

Part of me thinks that dealing with such assholes would be nothing compared with combat but, why in the heck should they have to deal with that crap in their home country after busting their humps in a foreign land?

re: #102 MandyManners

In Nos. 41 and 43, Ward and livefree or die told me that it's in San Francisco.

What have you heard about Heathrow?

That was the one where the guys had to change into civilian clothes (on the freezing tarmac, in the dark, IIRC) before they were allowed into the terminal. Royal Army soldiers, and they were pissed.

An absolute disgrace.

re: #115 JHW

I think there may still be a Papal ban on crossbows in effect.

;)

re: #111 realwest

That's because you are such a good and decent man.
And I'm sure glad you're my friend!

Well, you make me blush lol.
I'm honored by those words.
God bless you real, my friend :)

re: #114 'Nam Grunt

There is still a hippy in SF missing his front teeth, because he tried to prevent me from entering SF Airport to go home 12 hours after I came back from my 2nd tour in 'Nam. HAHAHA!

Violence is not always the answer but, sometimes it is.

If it isn't true...thank goodness.
If I ever see someone abusing a soldier, I won't stand by and tolerate it, that's for sure!

re: #113 Nevergiveup

Well at least all of us lizards knew he was responsible for the defeat of the enemy in Cambodia. We were listening.

Exactly, we are an attentive bunch! LOL
;)

re: #108 Nevergiveup
Yeah, but they were a) officers (but I still befriended them! LOL!) and b) took the subway.
Trouble was they traveled in uniform to their once a month meetings on the Subways (which, iirc, were all of .35 cents in those days) and subjected to some verbal harassment and one or two reported that they were spit upon.

re: #114 'Nam Grunt

There is still a hippy in SF missing his front teeth, because he tried to prevent me from entering SF Airport to go home 12 hours after I came back from my 2nd tour in 'Nam. HAHAHA!

Echoes from the past!

Hey 'Nam! Where have you been? I haven't seen you in a quite a while.
How are you and yours?

re: #117 Ward Cleaver

That was the one where the guys had to change into civilian clothes (on the freezing tarmac, in the dark, IIRC) before they were allowed into the terminal. Royal Army soldiers, and they were pissed.

An absolute disgrace.

The mind boggles. *If* it was done for their protection, why not let them change on the bloody plane? Why not let them wear their uniforms in the first place and have them escorted by air-port employees?

re: #105 realwest

Hey jcm - great post and link.
Thank you.

I was pleasantly surprised. Sometimes the PI does something right.

Up in spinoffs.

re: #124 MigueldowninMexico

Echoes from the past!

Hey 'Nam! Where have you been? I haven't seen you in a quite a while.
How are you and yours?

Doing great amigo and you?

re: #121 TS

If it isn't true...thank goodness.
If I ever see someone abusing a soldier, I won't stand by and tolerate it, that's for sure!

I'm not sure why the soldiers do (and have)

re: #127 'Nam Grunt

Doing great amigo and you?

Thank God, great too!
;)

I have things to do today.

Bye!

re: #123 realwest

Yeah, but they were a) officers (but I still befriended them! LOL!) and b) took the subway.
Trouble was they traveled in uniform to their once a month meetings on the Subways (which, iirc, were all of .35 cents in those days) and subjected to some verbal harassment and one or two reported that they were spit upon.

Hippies suck. Abusing the people who make it so they can have their free speech and keep their pathetic behinds safe.

re: #8 VegasRick

LOL. It could have been worded: We must fact check everything FIRST.

re: #116 MandyManners
Because an awful lot of folks in the "homeland" were against that war and never seperated the warriors from the war in their minds.
Sound a little familar these days? Those [DELETED]
Sorry, just trying to keep my BP down.

re: #24 MigueldowninMexico

Things are well. I was in Tijuana last week. People down there seem to be very optimistic about the direction Mexico is taking... Which is good.

re: #115 JHW

You had to take it to the MPs and get an export tag on the weapon, and then it was stowed in the cargo hold of the plane. I know guys that brought SKS's home legally. One thing I never understood, I also had a crossbow, from the same weapons cache as the rifle, and the MPs would not allow me to take it home.

My surprise was that they would allow an American weapon as a capture trophy, that's all. My uncle served four tours in VN and applied to bring back two captured pistols after his last tour, an FN Hi-Power and a 1911 Colt (WW1 vintage, apparently, without the A1 mods). The FN was allowed, the Colt paperwork was rejected and he left it in-country.

re: #133 realwest

To me, that crap was embarrassing. Why I felt I had to apologize for something that I felt was right is beyond me, but I did. So, like a lot of my brothers, I just remained silent rather than defending my beliefs. I don't do that anymore. Punks do not deserve my silence but rather my righteous wrath.

re: #128 sattv4u2 I think current active duty soldiers do because they are ordered to use force only to protect themselves against physical violence.
That plus they maintain a level of dignity that those "protestors" will never know.

re: #123 realwest

Yeah, but they were a) officers (but I still befriended them! LOL!) and b) took the subway.
Trouble was they traveled in uniform to their once a month meetings on the Subways (which, iirc, were all of .35 cents in those days) and subjected to some verbal harassment and one or two reported that they were spit upon.

My uncle was spit on in Atlanta, VN era.

He claims that he did not kill the guy. ;)

re: #132 Cap'n DOC

LOL. It could have been worded: We must fact check everything FIRST.

Woulda been deleted.

For those serving or having served:
In the latest poll in Mexico about which institutions Mexicans trust more, the first two places were:
The Church and
The armed forces.

Some commenters seem to be astonished, but I think that many people respect loyalty, commitment, unselfishness, all the wonderful characteristics that service brings to individuals and country.
Actually, I was happy to see people appreciating those characteristiscs.

Two of the lowest in the list were:
Congressmen and Senators.
Political parties.

LOL Those pols are not trusted by people!

re: #130 The Other Les

I have things to do today.

Bye!

Good bye!

re: #137 realwest

I think current active duty soldiers do because they are ordered to use force only to protect themselves against physical violence.
That plus they maintain a level of dignity that those "protestors" will never know.

I know ,, but wouldn;t it be delicious to see half a dozen soldiers come across these ,,, ummm,, american citizens in an alley somewhere !

re: #138 OldLineTexan

My uncle was spit on in Atlanta, VN era.

He claims that he did not kill the guy. ;)

Just cause the guy has been in a coma for 35 years dosen't mean he's dead.

re: #143 VegasRick

Just cause the guy has been in a coma for 35 years dosen't mean he's dead.

physically ,,,,,, he was obvioulsy brain dead to start with

re: #136 Cap'n DOC

"So, like a lot of my brothers, I just remained silent rather than defending my beliefs. I don't do that anymore. Punks do not deserve my silence but rather my righteous wrath."
AMEN to that. Around about the time the Iranian Hostages were released and given a well deserved parade in NYC is when a lot of us Vietnam Veterans said "fuck it; I'm not gonna hide my service experience anymore. And if folks don't like it, they'd best not say anything to me or at the very least they'll get an earful."

re: #139 VegasRick

Woulda been deleted.

Not necessarily. I had a couple over the past few days with the word "first" in them as comment #1 that have not been deleted.

After reading this entire thread, I'm struck by the TIMING of this apparently hoax. Seems kind of curious to me that it's hitting just before Memorial Day.

Anyway, I wanted to Honor and Thank Everyone who serves or has served this great country of ours.

BTW, If there are any Lizards in the Crook County area, there's a pretty good Memorial Day Parade in the Village of River Forest, Illinois on Monday, May 26 starting around 11:30 am.

re: #146 Honorary Yooper

Not necessarily. I had a couple over the past few days with the word "first" in them as comment #1 that have not been deleted.

Really? Charles is letting some of us children play!

Sudden Jihad Syndrome goes to the jury in Seattle.

Jurors now deciding fate of Jewish Federation shooter

SEATTLE – A jury will now decide if the man who admittedly killed a woman and wounded six others at Seattle's Jewish Federation building in 2006 will go to prison or to a mental hospital.

re: #135 OldLineTexan

I wonder if that might have been unit policy (the rejecting paperwork part). What I mean is that you went through your own unit MPs (in my case 9th ID, 9th MP battalion), to get the export license. Units had different policies on what they allowed I think, and that's probably why they wouldn't let me keep the crossbow. Maybe another unit would have allowed it, ditto for your uncle's Colt.The military bureaucracy is pretty strange at times.

re: #146 Honorary Yooper

I really can't see Charles or Stinky deleting Cleverness. After all, that's the hallmark of a classy Lizard.

re: #149 jcm

Sudden Jihad Syndrome goes to the jury in Seattle.

Jurors now deciding fate of Jewish Federation shooter

I've been following this a bit on CourtTV. Ashley Banfield seems bound and determined to blame this exclusively on his alleged mental illness.

re: #140 MigueldowninMexico

There or here. Politicians are out for the power and money. The two go together.
At least we limit our Presidents to 2 terms in office.
If the rest of the world could do the same it would be a step forward. Many in other countries are surprised that there is a limit and we stick to and it is law.

re: #151 Cap'n DOC

I really can't see Charles or Stinky deleting Cleverness. After all, that's the hallmark of a classy Lizard.

Yep, I'll bet he gets a chuckle out of posters attempts to get around that rule.

Hmmm... I wish a moon bat would harass me verbally when I get back home.

It would be fun to listen to the ignorance. Stupid people amuse me, I would carry a tape recorder to record it and send a clip to the Lizards at LGF.

Hearing them rant, rave and demonstrate a lack of knowledge is always amusing and must be preserved for dull days when some moon bat suggests that Liberals are intelligent.

re: #153 LindaMarie

There or here. Politicians are out for the power and money. The two go together.
At least we limit our Presidents to 2 terms in office.
If the rest of the world could do the same it would be a step forward. Many in other countries are surprised that there is a limit and we stick to and it is law.

Yes, that's important.
In Mexico, presidents are limited to just one six-year term. No possible reelection.

The last one who tried to get re-lected, Manuel Obregon, was murdered in 1928.

re: #150 JHW

I wonder if that might have been unit policy (the rejecting paperwork part). What I mean is that you went through your own unit MPs (in my case 9th ID, 9th MP battalion), to get the export license. Units had different policies on what they allowed I think, and that's probably why they wouldn't let me keep the crossbow. Maybe another unit would have allowed it, ditto for your uncle's Colt.The military bureaucracy is pretty strange at times.

May have been. In any case, I like Enfields. I have a 1941 Remington-made '03 Springfield, and I have been trying unsuccessfully for ten years to get my brother-in-law to sell me his P17 to go with it. ;)

re: #148 VegasRick

Really? Charles is letting some of us children play!

Well, I guess it depends on how it is worded. To simply say "FIRST!" or us the word "FIRST" in all caps is pretty obvious. But, to say that something is a first, or say that the first thing we should do, is not claiming firsties. It's merely part of the statement.

Had the first commentor on this thread said, "We should factcheck everything first", he would not have been deleted. Had he said, "We should factcheck everything FIRST", he would have been. Stinky seems to have a fine line about using the word "first" in a first comment.

/Am I correct?

re: #47 The Other Les

Fair enough, but if they were stupid enough to do it, I think they get what they deserve.

re: #156 MigueldowninMexico

Well that is a deterrent for sure.
Can we export that to Africa?

BBIAM.re: #155 shanec99 Thank you for your service to our Nation.
Any idea of when you're coming home?

re: #158 Honorary Yooper

Well, I guess it depends on how it is worded. To simply say "FIRST!" or us the word "FIRST" in all caps is pretty obvious. But, to say that something is a first, or say that the first thing we should do, is not claiming firsties. It's merely part of the statement.

Had the first commentor on this thread said, "We should factcheck everything first", he would not have been deleted. Had he said, "We should factcheck everything FIRST", he would have been. Stinky seems to have a fine line about using the word "first" in a first comment.

/Am I correct?

No! I'm not a he. Even if it was a choice.

re: #161 realwest
Remember, when you say "BBIAM" you still need to hit the post comment button FIRST.
Sigh.

Remembering my departure from the Army, we were told (1967) that if we chose not to wear a uniform it was allowable--of course this just made me wear mine, with everything I was allowed to put on it. I am as proud now as I was then to have worn the uniform.
I posted in another thread, that I DID have an encounter with 2 flatulent freaks, the officer agreed that the response was appropriate.

re: #152 MandyManners

I've been following this a bit on CourtTV. Ashley Banfield seems bound and determined to blame this exclusively on his alleged mental illness.

Does wash with me. He knew what hes was doing.

It's probably the only card she has. They caught him at the scene with the weapon, he confessed (thrown out as evidence).

re: #160 LindaMarie

Well that is a deterrent for sure.
Can we export that to Africa?

It took a whole revolution here, after a guy that was reelected to seven four-year terms.

They would have to make a revolution in those African countries, and a revolution that has as one of the few important demands the non-reelection of the president, as it was in Mexico.
One million dead between 1910 and 1922, and Obregon shot, a big chunk of it over no-reelection.

Actually all official documents carry the motto "No reeleccion" in Mexico. At least the federal documents.

And that goes for congressmen, mayors, governors.
No reelection for anybody.

Radical! lol

re: #163 realwest

Remember, when you say "BBIAM" you still need to hit the post comment button FIRST.
Sigh.

Hahahaha.

OK, I'm jumping to the new thread.

I want to know about phobias lol

re: #125 MandyManners

The mind boggles. *If* it was done for their protection, why not let them change on the bloody plane? Why not let them wear their uniforms in the first place and have them escorted by air-port employees?

Anyone who would attack them should never be allowed in an airport again, and put on a universal no-fly list. Except for one flight back to their country of origin; if they weren't British.

Truth be told, there is enough crap that military personnel put up with from moonbats that we do not need exaggerated stories to fly around the Internet. However, that being said, when I was honorably discharged from the United States Marine Corps during the Vietnam era and attended university in my home state, I was repeatedly spit on and called baby killer by other students. The only ones that seemed to appreciate my military service were students from Israel. At the time, I did not know that I qualified for Israeli citizenship, otherwise I might have gone to Israel instead of Canada.
Be that as it may, I stayed in Alberta, Canada for almost 25 years before even considering returning to the United States. Canadians seemed to appreciate my U.S. military service a lot more than my former fellow students, and there seemed to be an underlying resentment against the draft dodgers from the U.S. I also met other former U.S. service people in Canada, one who was in the Parris Island series behind me. His series drill instructor was my former lead drill instructor, so we had a lot to talk about. He absolutely refused to return to his home country under any circumstances, but I decided to give it another shot ...

nuff said

re: #77 jcm

In the Seattle PI.

Whidbey bomb disposers pay high price to protect troops

In the PI! And on the front page, too! Who woulda thunk it?

re: #170 XMarine

Interesting about your experience in Canada. A lot of people don't know that around 40,000 Canadians served in the US armed forces then. We got 40,000 first-rate soldiers, Canada got our draft dodgers, they got the worst end of the deal.

The Canadian Vietnam Veterans Memorial Association was created to recognize the efforts of those Canadians who chose to serve with the United States Forces during the Vietnam War. Between 1959 and 1975 approximately 40,000 Canadians did embark on a journey that would forever change their lives. Some never returned. Today we exist to promote awareness, support veterans, peacekeepers and to honour and remember those that lost their lives while serving in Vietnam.

Canadians in Vietnam

re: #135 OldLineTexan

My surprise was that they would allow an American weapon as a capture trophy, that's all. My uncle served four tours in VN and applied to bring back two captured pistols after his last tour, an FN Hi-Power and a 1911 Colt (WW1 vintage, apparently, without the A1 mods). The FN was allowed, the Colt paperwork was rejected and he left it in-country.

He should have just done what my dad did and boxed it all up and sent it back in a crate labelled "Truck Parts".

re: #81 NJDhockeyfan

Exeter explosion: 'bomber' Nicky Reilly received text instruction

Paper suits?

How low can you get? These pieces of pig dung should be forced to spend an hour alone with that guy's relatives.

re: #172 JHW "We
got 40,000 first-rate soldiers, Canada got our draft dodgers, they got the worst end of the deal."
Boy, ain't that the truth! and

re: #170 XMarine
Thank you for your service to our Nation.

re: #92 MigueldowninMexico

He almost single-handledy defeated the Khmer Rouge! He almost conquered Kampuchea, you see?

And then he worked with Al Gore to invent the Internet!

re: #155 shanec99

Hmmm... I wish a moon bat would harass me verbally when I get back home.

It would be fun to listen to the ignorance. Stupid people amuse me, I would carry a tape recorder to record it and send a clip to the Lizards at LGF.

Hearing them rant, rave and demonstrate a lack of knowledge is always amusing and must be preserved for dull days when some moon bat suggests that Liberals are intelligent.

It would be even more fun to get a video of the confrontation and send it to Zombie.

I'm surprised we have not heard the Senator from Ohio crying about the poor treatment of troops...and the need for them to come home, if only to avoid the abuse...

Well me and a buddy heard a fella make disparaging remarks about some men in uniform in a restaurant. We both tensed because he looked like he wanted to approach them a couple of times.

re: #179 Roger

Well, a buddy and I heard a fella make disparaging remarks about some men in uniform in a restaurant. We both tensed because he looked like he wanted to approach them a couple of times.

excuse me.

Looks like I get to close another thread. I commented on the original story a few threads back. I got spit on at Boston University in November 1967. Not that big a deal really, just a dumb coed probably put up to it by her boyfriend who was 15 yards away. Might have felt/acted differently if it was a guy screaming at me, face twisted in rage.

About six months or a year ago, the Vietnam spitting incidents got some blogosphere play. The LLL were vigorously denying that it had actually happened back then. They based this assertion on the fact that few spitting incidents were ever actually reported in the press/TV. Thus, any reports that such incidents happened were greeted with hands clasped over ears. "Lalalala", you know the drill. Nevertheless, there was a lot of harassment of returning military personnel.

I was a bit leery of this current report also. I think the LLL know they are tarnished in the public eye for their Vietnam activities. So, they've removed that tactic from their training manuals. I talk to a lot of troops, mostly in airports. I've never had any of them speak of anyone spitting at them, although a few have mentioned other male relatives of the Vietnam era having such an experience. I suspect any incidents that might happen now are just moonbats who have failed to meet their CPE requirements.