Every single thing must be fact checked.

There's enough crap working against our soldiers, and some asshole somewhere thinks they have to make stuff up? Come on- if you're going to make an effort to support the troops, leak something real.

There is no pattern of verbal abuse against uniformed Department of Defense personnel in the DC Metro system. The memo sent to Department of Defense security managers was authored at a high level, and exaggerated the number of verbal assaults from one confirmed event into an apparent outbreak, while attempting to shift authorship to another federal agency.

Soldiers are not being systematically targeted by aggressive anti-war protesters in the Washington D.C. area, but someone within the Department of Defense is willing to stoke those fears, without merit.

It will be interesting to see where that goes. Wonder if Congressional Democrats will demand an investigation and hold hearings? I don't. It's pretty much a given that they'll do something along those lines, especially if they can embarrass the Administration or the Pentagon.

There's enough dishonoring of our troops going on with Code pink and Winter Soldier II without stuff having to be made up.

The truth is enough.

Well, a woman could certainly be harassed on Metro. there are plenty of incredibly awful kids(I mean teens) who ride metro- loud, rude, potty mouths.

Any chance that it was leaked so that the story could be later reported as a hoax; this would allow future legitimate reports to all be questioned as potential hoaxs...boy this conspiracy stuff is easy and fun...and another thing, did you know that steel had melted for the first time on 9-11...

Oops Sharm, didn't mean to copy ya!

re: #1 debutaunt

Every single thing must be fact checked.

Every single thing must be fact checked.
Single as in 1? #1 as in first?
/sneaky

Lets get on the offensive in supporting our troops- SO tired of the Code Pinko's harassing our guys.Too much documentation of past insults- strike back for Memorial Day!

Sounds like a typical hoax e-mail.

Whoever came up with it made it sound like all our soldiers are wusses......that was what I noticed.
"Run to get help," it basically said.

Soldiers should be free to tase anyone that tries to give them a rash of shit about serving their country.

/imho

Calculated witlessness or moby at work?

I watched a soldier accidentally get verbally abused in a hotel elevator in New Orleans in 2006. I was attending a convention with a "costume dinner" that usually includes military and pseudo-military dress (for you children of the '80s, think G.I. Joe, Real American Hero).

This particular soldier was in full dress uniform when the elevator was boarded by two kids from an ICYPAAS convention in the same hotel.

One kid remarked to the other about "baby killers".

The soldier asked him if he would like to be beaten in the elevator, the lobby, or on the street.

Both kids fell remarkably silent, and cleared the elevator pretty quickly when we reached the ground floor.

Moral: I think most if not all of our service people can handle it.

No need at all for a memo, especially one that appears to have no basis in truth.

re: #8 VegasRick

Every single thing must be fact checked.
Single as in 1? #1 as in first?
/sneaky

Just sleepy. My boycott of Dunkin Donuts has left me groggy.

Personally, I'd love to see some moonbat attempt to assault any member of our fine military, just so I could see said soldiers give said moonbats the beatings they so richly deserve. I'd be happy to be the witness saying "it was in self defense!"

Wow! The Internet that "fact-checks your a$$" (sorry for the Americanism)...
is the greatest invention in History since the wheel!

We, the true "reality-based community" must appreciate this fact a whole lot.

And LGF is a key player on that scenario!

/So happy to be a lizard...
:)

Not that I am there very often (a few times a year), but the times I have been on the yellow line in DC I have never seen discourtesy extended to troops. When I saw that story the other day, I simply assumed things had deteriorated quite a bit.

re: #7 Intrepid

You were more concise, though.

I love the internet. It gets to the truth better that anything else.

/Now about those chemtrails...

re: #17 MigueldowninMexico

OT:Good morning Migs how's Mexico?

Love this comment:

Just before I retired, I was stationed in D.C. and used the Metro frequently. I had never been accosted, but I can state unequivocally, that I would have decked whoever tried.

If whoever sent this out hadn't implied more than a single incident, and hadn't faked the source agency, they could have issued a perfectly appropriate "be aware" memo.

I'm very ticked off, and I do think somebody deserves a serious reprimand for this obvious PR fiasco.

Reading Charles' link to Pajamas Media, I came across this tidbit: "Pajamas Media contacted the Federal Transit Administration Wednesday, and Velvet Snow, spokeswoman for the FTA, stated categorically that the agency never issued such a memo." [emphasis added, realwest]

Velvet Snow - that's the name of the Federal Transit Administration's spokeswoman? Wow.

re: #20 coquimbojoe

Hi Joe!
Mexico's in a mess (I hope at least a "controled" mess).
But things are clearing up a bit after a few months of turmoil.

How's up there around your dwelling?

re: #17 MigueldowninMexico Good morning my friend! How are you today and are you up early or am I up really late?! LOL!

re: #23 realwest

Better than Yellow Snow- (as in watch out where them Huskies go, dontcha eat that yellow snow!)

Was just asking about you in the lounge Miguel- haven't seen you there in the past weeks! Missed timing?

re: #25 realwest

Good morning my friend! How are you today and are you up early or am I up really late?! LOL!

LOL I'm early! I've been sleeping better at night, thank God, so I've been around a bit more during the day.
I'm glad as I was begining to feel like a creation of Briam Stocker (sp?). My fangs were already growing!

But I've relearned to face day-light again ;) lol

How are you and your dear mom, real?

Would the idiots please get out of the way?

Rush is doing the Shell exec, ... is he doing Maxine?

Er, yup.

re: #23 realwest

Reading Charles' link to Pajamas Media, I came across this tidbit: "Pajamas Media contacted the Federal Transit Administration Wednesday, and Velvet Snow, spokeswoman for the FTA, stated categorically that the agency never issued such a memo." [emphasis added, realwest]

Velvet Snow - that's the name of the Federal Transit Administration's spokeswoman? Wow.

Sounds like a porn star name.

Parents, please exercise care in the naming of your children.

re: #27 LEGION

Yes, I've been changing my schedule (sort of pushed to change it by some biological reason) so I'm a bit confused as to what times do what things lol.
In fact I haven't been in the lounge for quite a while.
I got to go back there, it's a whole world in itself lol. Just as soon as (hopefully) my schedule goes back to "normal" -meaning at least a similar time to sleep and do things every day.

:)

As I said in the prior thread, I live in DC and commute on the Metro daily. I see uniformed troops all the time, and have never seen anyone give them any problems. In fact, at least during the commuting hours, it is very rare for anyone to talk to anyone else, we all just want to get moving and get to work. I might buy it if the claims of harassment were based on weekend travel (lots of tourists and protestors show up on weekends in DC) but then you don't have many uniformed personnel traveling.

There's also the matter that the notice tells people not to travel in uniform to avoid harrassment. That's suspiciously overboard.

re: #29 The Other Les

Would the idiots please get out of the way?

Yes Sir!

/Steps to a side...

Was the purpose of the hoax to stop soldiers from wearing their uniforms on the Metro? That was the first thing that jumped out at me when I read the recommendations in the "memo" about how military personnel should handle this.

Frank Zappa! I love this place!

Weren't servicemembers warned to not wear their uniforms at a California airport recently or am I thinking back to Viet Nam?

If I saw Miguel on the Metro, I would harass him.

:') ....just sayin'

re: #30 itellu3times

Thanks- turned it on in time to catch the end of it- Rush Rocks!

Also- okay M in M- get that sleeping clock fixed!

re: #38 MandyManners

Weren't servicemembers warned to not wear their uniforms at a California airport recently or am I thinking back to Viet Nam?

No, you're right. Wasn't it in Oakland where they couldn't come into the terminal because they were in uniform?

re: #39 DesertSage

If I saw Miguel on the Metro, I would harass him.

:') ....just sayin'

On the metro, on LGF, in the kitchen, at the movies...

Hell, Sage woduln't even let me eat my burrito in peace!

/Burrito or waffle? Hmmmm...

re: #38 MandyManners

Weren't servicemembers warned to not wear their uniforms at a California airport recently or am I thinking back to Viet Nam?

They were. Recently, at SFO.

re: #42 MigueldowninMexico

I would only harass you because you are my friend.

....and I would buy you a waffle.

Hey Miguel! How are you my friend?

I have worn my uniform in public at times and never had any problems. People always stare but almost always also smile at me.

re: #16 MrSilverDragon

Personally, I'd love to see some moonbat attempt to assault any member of our fine military, just so I could see said soldiers give said moonbats the beatings they so richly deserve. I'd be happy to be the witness saying "it was in self defense!"

Actually I wouldn't want to see a moonbat do something that stupid. You need to remember that to the moonbat (or any other barbarian) refusing to submit and fighting back are life threatening crimes that must be punished severely. It is an absolute certainty that the moonbat (or it's mother) will file an assault charge against the service member with the local prosecuting authority. Who will with close to absolute certainty be a barking moonbat themselves.

I got calle the embodiment of all evil on Earth by a moonbat simply for suggesting that we should shoot back at the self-appointed overlords.

re: #35 MigueldowninMexico

Yes Sir!

/Steps to a side...

Not you!

re: #13 pat

Moby.

re: #44 DesertSage

I would only harass you because you are my friend.

....and I would buy you a waffle.

But...but...would you please let me eat my waffle in peace?

I HOPE you CHANGE!

{Sage} Yes, we are friends ;)

No me moleste angelinito, let my eat my burrito...

re: #8 VegasRick

Every single thing must be fact checked.
Single as in 1? #1 as in first?
/sneaky

This was funny!

re: #41 livefreeor die

re: #43 Ward Cleaver

Recreate 68, indeed.

Waffle? donuts? - I had pancakes this morning and now it is lunch time

re: #45 Ward Cleaver

Hey Miguel! How are you my friend?

I'm fine Ward! How about you? How are you today?

re: #48 The Other Les

Not you!

ROFL!

////

re: #46 Nevergiveup

Thanks for your service. Whenever I am in an airport eatery, I offer to pick up the tab for the service man or woman, to the waitress, anonymously. Lately I have been told that offer has already been made by another, in other words, I am too late. I will continue to do it in the future.

I have been disgustingly efficient, so I feel I've earned my coffee, then I must head back into the salt mine.

I think it would be a good idea to try to trace this back to the source. That's my two cents.

re: #32 The Other Les

Sounds like a porn star name.

Parents, please exercise care in the naming of your children.

How about this for a name: Charity Trueblood.

That's Airman 1st Class, Charity Trueblood. Received the Bronze Star for valor in Iraq.

Her parents chose her name wisely. Read about her in IBD:
[Link: www.ibdeditorials.com...]

.

re: #50 MigueldowninMexico

Hey, Miguel, I'll be your friend!

re: #38 MandyManners

I came back from VN in 1968, at Oakland Army Terminal, we weren't told anything one way or another about wearing uniforms. Back then, you had to be wearing the uniform to get a discount from the airlines. I walked all over San Francisco, Oakland and Seattle wearing the uniform, hippies all over, nobody bothered me. A few older people offered to buy me drinks. The hippies left me alone, although the fact I was carrying a captured rifle, which I still have, might have had something to do with it.

re: #34 Diamond Bullet

I see uniformed troops all the time, and have never seen anyone give them any problems.

With so many military/government employees in the DC area we should have been more skeptical of this story. Pretty much everybody in DC rush hour is going to a government job, the harassment does seem pretty unlikely.

Anyway- I remember during one of the anti-freedom/security marches (anti-war) - The Gathering of Eagles was down in DC counter protesting- and a wounded vet who spoke out against them reported on a talk show about how 4 or 5 big healthy but stupid Anti's followed and menaced him. Gee they are so brave. He came upon a traffic cop and the sissies backed off. Don't our uniformed troops supposedly have orders not to engage in replying to comments from 'citizens' anyway? We fellow citizens must step up and back them- especially us former military members. I remember hearing about how a Marine was being attacked by a gang on a subway- he called out asking for any other former Marines- a 76 year old passenger threw down his cane and stood by him and the gang backed off!

re: #58 Dad O' Blondes

That one sounds like the heroine from a old silent serial.

re: #46 Nevergiveup

I have worn my uniform in public at times and never had any problems. People always stare but almost always also smile at me.

That's good to know. And from the bottom of my heart, thank you for all you do for our great country.

re: #59 johnny 100 pesos

Hey, Miguel, I'll be your friend!

For a 100 pesos you sure can!

/j/k
You're my friend anyway, from before lol

re: #60 JHW

I came back from VN in 1968, at Oakland Army Terminal, we weren't told anything one way or another about wearing uniforms. Back then, you had to be wearing the uniform to get a discount from the airlines. I walked all over San Francisco, Oakland and Seattle wearing the uniform, hippies all over, nobody bothered me. A few older people offered to buy me drinks. The hippies left me alone, although the fact I was carrying a captured rifle, which I still have, might have had something to do with it.

Glad to hear that!

BTW, do you know if it got worse in the early 70s?

re: #47 The Other Les

Few years back some gang backers took exception to some guys wandering Tacoma Mall wearing boots and buzz cuts. Gangs bangers decided the "white supremacists" needed some "larning."

Gang bangers forgot Fort Lewis is home to the 1st Special Operations Group. Out numbered 3-1 the Rangers where the ones doing the teaching that day.

re: #60 JHW

Soviet, Japanese, or French?

My middle school son (who revels in his conservatism compared to his classmates BTW) came home and told me that the teacher was leading a "discussion" on current events and told the kids that the soldiers in Iraq are really victims who were tricked into going there. He was mad-we've had discussions before about the bravery and altruism of people in the military and he's very proud of his great-grandfather, grandfather, uncle, and cousin who have served. I told him to ask the teacher and the kids how many people they actually know in the military. I bet the total sum is a big ZERO.

re: #28 MigueldowninMexico We are well my friend, how about you and yours?

re: #38 MandyManners

Weren't servicemembers warned to not wear their uniforms at a California airport recently or am I thinking back to Viet Nam?

I think you're remembering Heathrow - at least that's what I'm remembering

re: #54 MigueldowninMexico

I'm fine Ward! How about you? How are you today?

I'm doing well. Busy here at work, wanting the three-day weekend to hurry up and get here. June is with the two older girls at school today, volunteering - it's "field day", where they have all kinds of outdoor games, a bounce house, etc. Just hope they don't get rained on (it's supposed to rain today, and it's overcast outside).

re: #68 The Other Les

Soviet, Japanese, or French?

Yeah, what was it? AK?

re: #1 debutaunt

Every single thing must be fact checked.

Every married thing too.

re: #70 realwest

We are well my friend, how about you and yours?

Everybody fine, thank God. Basically in good healty, my mom in Chihuahua and my son and family in Mexico City.

Problems all over, but once being in good health the rest is easy, really.

We all thank the Lord everyday.

re: #74 johnny 100 pesos

Every married thing too.

Especially if their last name is Clinton.

In the Seattle PI.

Whidbey bomb disposers pay high price to protect troops

WHIDBEY ISLAND NAVAL AIR STATION -- Six brass plaques with the names of six fallen sailors face visitors entering the headquarters building.

They are unusual in the way they were created -- by detonating a thin sheet of explosive over a plastic template, imprinting the names and design on the brass. The only sailors who make them are explosive ordnance technicians.

This is the headquarters of the Navy's Explosive Ordnance Detachment Mobil Unit 11, more simply called the EOD. The six were fellow bomb disposers, all killed in Iraq.

This highly select, perpetually tested band of 160 sailors are known for their cool under pressure. Their training never seems to end: underwater diving, parachuting and practicing ground warfare. They test themselves constantly to outthink bomb makers.

Quiz

Who married a bottle of Ketchup for 500 million?

:p

re: #56 rawmuse Good on you for that! It truly is the thought that counts.

re: #78 MigueldowninMexico

Quiz

Who married a bottle of Ketchup for 500 million?

:p

John F---ing Kerry

Exeter explosion: 'bomber' Nicky Reilly received text instruction

Investigating officers suspect Nicky Reilly, 22, who has learning difficulties, planned to commit suicide but do not think he could have constructed the bombs without help.

He received a message on his mobile phone on the day of the attacks which officers believe amounted to a "message of encouragement."

“He has a very low IQ and has received treatment on more than one occasion for mental illness. He would be very easily led," a police source said.

“This really does mark a low point for Muslim extremists. We are all horrified by what has happened here."

The comments came as armed police investigating the bombing arrested two men outside a cafe today.

Eyewitnesses said the arrests took place this afternoon in Old Town Street, in the centre of Plymouth, Reilly's home town.

Both men were reportedly searched and put into paper suits before being placed in unmarked cars

Paper suits?

re: #78 MigueldowninMexico

Quiz

Who married a bottle of Ketchup for 500 million?

:p

Jon Carry?

re: #68 The Other Les

Soviet, Japanese, or French?

Don't forget Chinese!

re: #79 realwest

Good on you for that! It truly is the thought that counts.

If I were an American -or even if I were in the US- I would buy for uniformed men an women. They sure deserve that and more!

re: #81 NJDhockeyfan

Cheap and disposable.

re: #80 livefreeor die

John F---ing Kerry

Didn't he serve in Vietnam?

re: #66 MandyManners

I don't think so Mandy. The draft was over the and that took a lot of the steam out of the protesters. My brother came home in 1969 and I asked him if anyone bothered him, he said no, just a few dirty looks. Most all of the vets I've asked said they had no trouble either. The moonbats might actually be worse nowadays to troops than they were then. I can say one thing for sure, I personally was in any mood for nonsense from hippy dippys and would have ended up in a major confrontation if any had bothered me, ditto for every vet I know. I don't think any service member would tolerate too much pushing.

re: #80 livefreeor die

John F---ing Kerry

Ding! ding! ding! We have a winner here! LOL

You even get extra points for knowing his real middle name!
LOL ;)

re: #86 jcm

Didn't he serve in Vietnam?

Why, yes he did. And the CIA gave him a magic hat.

re: #78 MigueldowninMexico

Quiz

Who married a bottle of Ketchup for 500 million?

:p

Is this a global test?

re: #68 The Other Les

American, believe it or not. A beat up 30'06 Enfield(not Springfield).

re: #86 jcm

Didn't he serve in Vietnam?

He almost single-handledy defeated the Khmer Rouge! He almost conquered Kampuchea, you see?

re: #73 Ward Cleaver

Yeah, what was it? AK?

AK-47 would not be allowed. Selective fire weapon; counts as a machinegun under GCA 68 and would require a Class III "tax stamp"/license (there's a technicality in there somewhere that I don't comprehend, since I don't have one).

The closest you could have gotten to an AK would be an SKS-45 (Soviet) or the Chinese Type 56 (copy with different bayonet).

re: #92 MigueldowninMexico

He almost single-handledy defeated the Khmer Rouge! He almost conquered Kampuchea, you see?

Wow! He should run for president!
/

re: #86 jcm

Didn't he serve in Vietnam?

I thought he single handedly fought the entire Vietcong army in Cambodia with that secret seal training he got?

re: #86 jcm

Didn't he serve in Vietnam?

I thought it was Cambodia. For some reason, that's seared into my mind.

re: #92 MigueldowninMexico

He almost single-handledy defeated the Khmer Rouge! He almost conquered Kampuchea, you see?

There's pictures of the event!

re: #66 MandyManners
Yeah Mandy, sad to say it did - Fellow vets - friends of mine, used to go to reserve meetings (stayed in Active Reserve mostly to earn a little extra cash) on the Subways in NYC in like '73, '74 and would be verbally harassed.
Just infuriating and
Just sad.

re: #90 DesertSage

Is this a global test?

Yes, and you get Carbon Credits ™ if you answer correctly!

You can even f4rt in Gore's general direction with those credits.

re: #83 OldLineTexan

Don't forget Chinese!

That would include Soviet material (or copies of same), Japanese material left over from WW2, American material left over taken from the Nationalists, and German material predating WW2.

re: #91 JHW

American, believe it or not. A beat up 30'06 Enfield(not Springfield).

Cool!

re: #71 wahabicorridor

I think you're remembering Heathrow - at least that's what I'm remembering

In Nos. 41 and 43, Ward and livefree or die told me that it's in San Francisco.

What have you heard about Heathrow?

re: #81 NJDhockeyfan

Paper suits?

Probably to preserve possible evidence on their clothing (trace chemicals. fibers, etc).

re: #91 JHW

American, believe it or not. A beat up 30'06 Enfield(not Springfield).

Sweet, although I am surprised they allowed it. There were plenty of American weapons in enemy hands; the M1 carbine from WW2 was passed out freely to "militias", which would lose them through combat or intimidation to the VC et. al.

/There were many more Enfields made than Springfields.

re: #77 jcm Hey jcm - great post and link.
Thank you.

re: #96 OldLineTexan

I thought it was Cambodia. For some reason, that's seared into my mind.

It beats being stuck in Saigon (Shit! I'm still only in Saigon...)

re: #94 livefreeor die

Wow! He should run for president!
/

Yes, you're right. Actually I know a worse candidate, but it is forbidden to write out his middle name.

I'd vote for Mr. Heinz before I'd vote for the modern Chicago mafia.

So bad an image I have of this "long legged freak"
lol

re: #98 realwest

Yeah Mandy, sad to say it did - Fellow vets - friends of mine, used to go to reserve meetings (stayed in Active Reserve mostly to earn a little extra cash) on the Subways in NYC in like '73, '74 and would be verbally harassed.
Just infuriating and
Just sad.

If they stayed in Active Reserve to earn a little cash, they succeeded. They earned a very LITTLE cash. You can almost burn up your respay driving there and back now a days. But the companies good.

re: #95 Nevergiveup

I thought he single handedly fought the entire Vietcong army in Cambodia with that secret seal training he got?

Please, unplug your bus from my CPU...

LOL

re: #87 JHW