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Hillary Becomes a Republican

Fri, May 23, 2008 at 7:29:47 pm PDT

Hillary Clinton is finding out what it’s like to be a Republican tonight, as MSNBC and CNN and the Associated Press go for her jugular vein; she mentioned the assassination of Robert Kennedy as an example of how things can change in an election’s late innings, and the left wing media are almost universally accusing her of insinuating that Barack Obama will be assassinated.

Welcome to the GOP, Hill!

UPDATE at 5/23/08 7:57:48 pm:

Keith Obermann’s rant: “You actually used THOSE WORDS in this America, Senator?! You cannot SAY THIS!!!”

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1 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:31:05pm

I just had horrible thoughts of McCain/Clinton as the Republican ticket.

2 Zach_the_Lizard  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:31:11pm

Hillary is about as Republic as John McCain.

3 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:31:55pm
4 Neo Con since 9-11  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:32:01pm

McCain/Clinton 08?

5 Jonn Lilyea  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:32:23pm

Geez, first Terry McAuliffe admits that Fox News is fair and balanced and now this. Where's the band playing "The World Turned Upside Down"?

6 directorblue  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:32:38pm

That's what I call the media bias chickens coming home to roost!

7 Neo Con since 9-11  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:32:54pm

re: #1 Kosh's Shadow

Darn you beat me to it. GMTA

8 average_guy  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:33:31pm

I can't believe she would insinuate anything like that.

-Signed

Vince Foster

9 mikeinmd  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:33:40pm

If you told me I would say Welcome to the club, Hill, even 1 year ago, I would've called you moonbat crazy. The world is spinning backwards this year.

10 average_guy  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:34:26pm

re: #2 Zach_the_Lizard

Hillary is about as Republic as John McCain.

No truer words were ever spoken.

(Neither one is a conservative though)

11 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:34:27pm
12 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:35:03pm

They needed no excuse to go after Hillary, but they jumped on the opportunity to use Obama-style misinformation in his behalf.

13 The Other Les  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:35:06pm

Podephagy sucks doesn't it Hill?

14 hutchrun  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:35:52pm

Sensitive mummies and dumbass Brits:

The decision, which has prompted wholesale derision, came after Manchester Museum said it had received ‘feedback’ from the public saying it was ‘insensitive to display unwrapped mummies’.

Having ordered the cover up, managers claim they are following Government policy and are carrying out a public consultation.

Last night the museum, whose Egyptian department has a worldwide reputation, was accused of being ridiculous and told it risked becoming a ‘laughing stock’.
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

15 MandyManners  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:36:27pm

The most recent edition of Vanity Fair has a cover story on Robert Kennedy. Spooky!

16 TheMedianSib  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:36:30pm

The dems are turning against their own.

17 MacGregor  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:37:09pm

Hillary - The media's jilted lover.

18 MandyManners  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:37:25pm

re: #16 TheMedianSib

The dems are turning against their own.

Are the young eating the old?

19 The Other Les  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:37:26pm

re: #16 TheMedianSib

The dems are turning against their own.

Feeding Frenzy!

/The Far Side

20 quickjustice  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:37:27pm

Well, a girl can always hope, can't she? ;-)

21 pleaseandthankyou  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:37:47pm

She's got some explaining to do, but... if, God forbid, something does happen to Barrack, she's going to have a lot of explaining to do.

22 maddogg  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:37:59pm
left wing media are almost universally accusing her of insinuating that Barack Obama will be assassinated.

Gee, is it a vast left wing conspiracy? Where's snakehead Carville?

23 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:38:17pm
24 stymie  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:38:56pm

re: #15 MandyManners

Well, with the 40th anniversary coming up in days, it's not a coincidence.

25 Egfrow  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:39:09pm

The left will always eat their own. Pursuit of collective power justifies any ends to obtain it.

26 average_guy  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:39:17pm

re: #21 pleaseandthankyou

She's got some explaining to do, but... if, God forbid, something does happen to Barrack, she's going to have a lot of explaining to do.

It would be ruled a suicide.

27 offendi  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:39:39pm

Ayatollah Pant Suit is doing the heavy lifting for Sleepy John in '08.
Plus you know the media would be dissecting Sleepy's medical records with a fine tooth comb if you didn't have the flap over the "assassination" comments by Hillary.

Fact is the Clintons are right. Obama is unelectable by the established voting criteria. Plus Clinton is crazy like a fox. The assassination comment ensures she can't be the VP on Obama's crash and burn ticket. The Clintons not only want the nomination they want to dominate the democratic party.

28 solomonpanting  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:39:46pm
left wing media are almost universally accusing her of insinuating that Barack Obama will be assassinated.

Perhaps she meant character assassination.

29 Mich-again  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:39:57pm

Did Geraldine Ferraro tell her to say that? Or maybe it was Billy Jeff.

Geeze, bringing up the assassination of RFK was just plain crazy. What was she thinking?

30 winston06  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:40:44pm

To be honest, I do think Clintonistas are the most dishonest people on this earth after B. Hussein Obama and family.

Plus I think Clinton's can not be trusted at all

31 mikeinmd  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:40:51pm

It's not like Hillary doesn't know these people...or the reaction over saying something like this.

Just thinking.

32 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:40:59pm

Oh, and Obama is willing to open dialog with any country that currently doesn't identify as our friend, but is unwilling to compromise or negotiate in any way with those that we identify as our allies, but who need our help.

Just check it out. Who does he want to open his arms to? Libya, Syria, Iran, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, Haiti, Zimbabwe...

Who's on the shitlist? We can start with Colombia and Israel for starters.

33 Peter Verkooijen  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:41:55pm

That does sound like a very dumb thing for Hillary Clinton to say. It doesn't make her a Republican. Anyway I really don't care what the Dems and MSM do among themselves.

34 maddogg  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:42:06pm

re: #29 Mich-again

Did Geraldine Ferraro tell her to say that? Or maybe it was Billy Jeff.

Geeze, bringing up the assassination of RFK was just plain crazy. What was she thinking?

I think that the Ted Kennedy situation has kept the Kennedys on her mind a lot lately, and she remembered where she was and what she was doing when RFK was killed because it was a shock to her.

35 profitsbeard  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:42:33pm

Pretty damned dumb to mention assassination in an offhanded and thoughtless manner during a presidential campaign.

Especially when you are behind.

36 slokat  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:43:00pm

re: #18 MandyManners

More like the old sucking the life out of the young.

37 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:43:04pm

I think Hillary might have wanted to preempt the convention excuse that Barack could claim that he offered the vice-presidency, but she just wouldn't listen. She's going to Denver to win.

38 beachkatie  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:43:23pm

re: #32 really grumpy big dog Johnson
It's like a dog chasing it's tail!

39 rorschach  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:43:41pm

David Horowitz turned.

Christopher Hitchens turned. (sort of)

Roger Simon...

Charles....

me...

Could this be the brilliant light on the way to Damascus that finally shows Hillary the way?

40 ted  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:45:36pm

RINO?

41 Syrah  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:45:45pm

re: #27 offendi

Ayatollah Pant Suit is doing the heavy lifting for Sleepy John in '08.
Plus you know the media would be dissecting Sleepy's medical records with a fine tooth comb if you didn't have the flap over the "assassination" comments by Hillary.

Fact is the Clintons are right. Obama is unelectable by the established voting criteria. Plus Clinton is crazy like a fox. The assassination comment ensures she can't be the VP on Obama's crash and burn ticket. The Clintons not only want the nomination they want to dominate the democratic party.

Yep.

I think you've nailed it.

This completely torpedoes any attempt the Obama camp might have been trying with offering her the VP slot.

Its Operation Chaos to the last day of the convention now.

42 joecitizen  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:46:10pm

re: #39 rorschach

David Horowitz turned.

Christopher Hitchens turned. (sort of)

Roger Simon...

Charles....

me...

Could this be the brilliant light on the way to Damascus that finally shows Hillary the way?

no.

43 snowcrash  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:47:27pm

She had nothing to gain by saying this. I think she is very tired. Like a bull after the picadores are done.

44 offendi  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:47:29pm

The Clintons will come after you using the ones closest to you , Obambi. If the Reverend Wright gives you a call and asks to arrange a meet... beware.

You may have to go to the mattresses, and I don't mean Bill Clinton style.

45 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:47:37pm

re: #13 The Other Les

Podephagy sucks doesn't it Hill?

I'm clueless what you might be trying to say, but is "pedagogy" the word you wanted to type?

46 The Other Les  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:47:38pm

re: #32 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Oh, and Obama is willing to open dialog with any country that currently doesn't identify as our friend, but is unwilling to compromise or negotiate in any way with those that we identify as our allies, but who need our help.

Just check it out. Who does he want to open his arms to? Libya, Syria, Iran, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, Haiti, Zimbabwe...

Who's on the shitlist? We can start with Colombia and Israel for starters.

In their minds the United States and our allies and friends are the Evil Empire and it must be brought down.

But we're not the Evil Empire and war is not peace, freedom is not slavery, ignorance is not strength, and consensual sex is not rape.

But to accept reality as being real would not allow them to pretend that they are some manner of superior person. Especially when they are so mentally inverted.

I think some folks feel a need to achieve, but since they are not the creative or productive kind of person they must then resort to destruction in the place of positive achievement. Thus the need to denigrate their victims, those persons, groups, or nations who are actually good.

47 ted  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:47:50pm

re: #41 Syrah

Yep.

I think you've nailed it.

This completely torpedoes any attempt the Obama camp might have been trying with offering her the VP slot.

Its Operation Chaos to the last day of the convention now.

Brillliannt Analysis.

48 formercorpsman  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:49:20pm

re: #41 Syrah

Actually, this leads me to think that they were turned down for the VP slot.

The way some of the talking heads were espousing, it sounded as if the Clintons might have been pushing this on the Obama camp.

If this is a fresh statement from today, I would really question her saying this considering her circumstance.

49 jamgarr  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:49:20pm

I bet Bill is about to pop a vessel.

50 mikeinmd  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:49:24pm

Here's the clip

51 joecitizen  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:49:56pm

re: #49 jamgarr

I bet Bill is about to pop a vessel.

or somethin'..

52 jaunte  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:50:03pm

re: #45 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Podephagy: foot eatin'

53 The Other Les  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:50:05pm

re: #45 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I'm clueless what you might be trying to say, but is "pedagogy" the word you wanted to type?

I'm trying to say that she's eating her own foot.

How about saying that she is an autopodephage?

54 summergurl  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:50:07pm

That's the Democrat Donner party for you...

55 MandyManners  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:50:07pm

re: #24 stymie

Well, with the 40th anniversary coming up in days, it's not a coincidence.

No, it's not but, it still struck me funny.

Maybe HRC's pandering to the past bit her on the butt.

56 maddogg  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:50:44pm

One small problem with the Hillary is trying to torpedo Obama at the convention. If she does, she is finished with the Democratic party. She'll be a leper.

57 jamgarr  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:50:47pm

re: #52 jaunte

Podephagy: foot eatin'

Open mouth - insert foot.

58 hermeneutics  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:51:03pm

re: #41 Syrah

Syrah,

Thanks for the heads-up. I'm so naive about internet privacy.

59 MandyManners  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:51:11pm

re: #36 slokat

More like the old sucking the life out of the young.

I thought that the BHO faction was the young one.

60 offendi  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:51:27pm

re: #41 Syrah

Got to hand it to them. If the republicans had a candidate as determined and hard core as Hillary it would be a 47 (not 57) state blowout.

61 Charles  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:51:31pm

Olbermann: "You actually used those words in this America, Senator?! You cannot SAY THIS!"

62 The Other Les  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:51:43pm

re: #52 jaunte

Podephagy: foot eatin'

I brought up the term a couple of threads ago.

63 MandyManners  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:52:14pm

re: #49 jamgarr

I bet Bill is about to pop a vessel.

I'm gonna' refrain.

64 David IV of Georgia  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:52:17pm

re: #45 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I'm clueless what you might be trying to say, but is "pedagogy" the word you wanted to type?

Podephagy = "foot eating"

65 Psaturn  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:52:18pm

Charles, that is what I was saying in the other thread!

66 joecitizen  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:52:20pm

re: #61 Charles

Olbermann: "You actually used those words in this America, Senator?! You cannot SAY THIS!"


and then he promptly wet himself.

67 MacGregor  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:52:32pm

Hillary is desperate because she won't have a government to rape after hussein gets it first. The far left movement, which hillary empowered, is now against her in a soros/msm judo move. She's gotta be pretty livid.

68 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:52:41pm
69 Hucbald  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:52:56pm

I know what she meant, but the timing vis-a-vis Ted's medical condition couldn't have been worse... or better, depending upon how you choose to view it.

70 Mich-again  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:52:58pm

re: #61 Charles

Did he call her Sir?

71 Syrah  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:52:59pm

re: #48 formercorpsman

Actually, this leads me to think that they were turned down for the VP slot.

The way some of the talking heads were espousing, it sounded as if the Clintons might have been pushing this on the Obama camp.

If this is a fresh statement from today, I would really question her saying this considering her circumstance.

You could be right.

I heard that talk also. I thought it sounded all wrong.

I think the Clinton's are pretty steamed that they have had to fight so hard for this, and to end up #2 is not something they are willing to settle for.

72 jamgarr  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:53:14pm

Another unforgivable curse - Assassinatus Remindus

73 The Other Les  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:53:31pm

re: #54 summergurl

That's the Democrat Donner party for you...

Piranhas will eat each other when there is nothing else to eat.

74 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:53:34pm

re: #47 ted

Brillliannt Analysis.

re: #27 offendi

Ayatollah Pant Suit is doing the heavy lifting for Sleepy John in '08.
Plus you know the media would be dissecting Sleepy's medical records with a fine tooth comb if you didn't have the flap over the "assassination" comments by Hillary.

Fact is the Clintons are right. Obama is unelectable by the established voting criteria. Plus Clinton is crazy like a fox. The assassination comment ensures she can't be the VP on Obama's crash and burn ticket. The Clintons not only want the nomination they want to dominate the democratic party.

It was not my intention to parrot your words with my own comment. I'm sorry for using essentially the same analogy in your wake.

75 Psaturn  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:53:50pm

re: #61 Charles

Olbermann: "You actually used those words in this America, Senator?! You cannot SAY THIS!"

Interesting he said that.

76 The Other Les  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:54:57pm

re: #61 Charles

Olbermann: "You actually used those words in this America, Senator?! You cannot SAY THIS!"

Olbermann should go back to doing adverts for Boston Market. Those were okay.

77 Mich-again  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:56:27pm

re: #34 maddogg

I think that the Ted Kennedy situation has kept the Kennedys on her mind a lot lately, and she remembered where she was and what she was doing when RFK was killed because it was a shock to her.

Question: Why do you persist in this race when you are hopelessly behind?

Answer: Because the other guy might die.

Classy.

78 David IV of Georgia  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:56:50pm

Nominative Masculine Singular of pode- is pos.

Still works.

79 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:57:37pm

People are beginning to buy into this recreate '68 crap, the msm is salivating at the prospect of racial tension and riots in Denver, and Hillary is just feeding the flame. She's in it to win it. The pantsuit is rattling Barack's cage. Watch him squirm.

80 Syrah  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:57:47pm

re: #58 hermeneutics

Its requires a constant effort.

I would not let anyone know what your nic is here.

You and I work in environments where "tolerant" leftist run everything. We have to keep our work and our home life as separate as possible.

I hope you are eligible for tenure. When you have that, you can relax a little bit.

81 The Other Les  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:57:53pm

re: #78 David IV of Georgia

Nominative Masculine Singular of pode- is pos.

Still works.

Posophage?

82 mikalm  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:58:14pm

re: #61 Charles

Olbermann: "You actually used those words in this America, Senator?! You cannot SAY THIS!"

She just did.

83 slokat  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:58:21pm

re: #77 Mich-again

works for her marriage outlook, too...

84 tokyobk  Fri, May 23, 2008 7:59:30pm

It is totally obvious that the meida love Obama and think that Hillary is a bizzach, and of course that the loss of the media protection makes them like republicans. That said, her RFK comparison was stupid and cold-blooded, and proof that she is a total a-hole and that they only care about themselves. Her spin that it was cuz she was thinking about Teddy is an example of a narcisistic disorder where she can never do wrong and her wrong deeds are only altruism misunderstood by her lessers.

85 The Other Les  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:00:02pm

re: #79 Kreuzueber Halbmond

People are beginning to buy into this recreate '68 crap, the msm is salivating at the prospect of racial tension and riots in Denver, and Hillary is just feeding the flame. She's in it to win it. The pantsuit is rattling Barack's cage. Watch him squirm.

The two Democrats are showing us that their primary qualification for the highest office is that they are unfit for that (or any) public office.

That is so mentally inverted.

86 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:00:08pm
87 offendi  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:00:25pm

re: #56 maddogg

One small problem with the Hillary is trying to torpedo Obama at the convention. If she does, she is finished with the Democratic party. She'll be a leper.

Democrats are political bedfellows of convenience they only care who can win it all for them. All will be forgiven in 2012. That is why you still have undecided super delegates at this point, they can read the state results that show Obama loses, given his poor showing. Remember he only won

democratic

primaries, and not in some of the needed states. What Hillary did is prevent dems forcing her into taking the VP, because if Obama was to ask her now he looks like an even bigger wuss than he did before. Besides Michelle will not allow him to.

88 maddogg  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:00:51pm

Well one thing is for sure, if something were to happen to Obama, Her party would fall on her and eat her alive. They are hyenas at heart after all.

89 joecitizen  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:01:01pm

re: #86 savage_nation

Fuck off Keith

he would if he could but he can't.apparently.

90 MarkX  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:01:18pm

re: #77 Mich-again

Question: Why do you persist in this race when you are hopelessly behind?

Answer: Because the other guy might die.

Classy.

I'm thinking the Clintons have some big time dirt yet to spill on O'Bambi.

91 The Other Les  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:01:44pm

re: #84 tokyobk

Wow! I actually understood that.

They are so twisted.

92 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:02:30pm
93 Mich-again  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:02:57pm

Bwahahaha. I just caught the tail end of the Keith Olberant. Dude is angry. He's got issues.

Good night and good luck... I bet he went off and threw shit around his dressing room and kicked over the garbage can. Angry White Man!

94 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:03:14pm

re: #77 Mich-again

Question: Why do you persist in this race when you are hopelessly behind?

Answer: Because the other guy might die.

Classy.

If I thought that you would actually condemn those who call President Bush and evil man who deserves to die, I might have some regard for your comment.

But I don't.

95 MarkX  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:03:15pm

re: #86 savage_nation

Fuck off Keith

I'm doubting he has the proper equipment to ... uh...perform that task.

96 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:03:29pm

Let them keep fighting. The wounds will leave the Democratic Party in shreds.
Afterwards, we can end up with two new parties; a conservative Republican party, and a new center/left party. The remains of the Democrats will be the loony left.
Of course, this could mean that McCain and Lieberman end up in the new party. Even Hillary. The loony party gets left with Kucinich (sp?) and Obmama-Marx. Maybe Ron Paul moves over and joins them, and we have some fun times watching their debates (How many ufos have visited Earth in the past year? Mr Kucinich?)

But the nightmare ticket of McCain/Clinton would guarantee an Obama victory.

/slightly drunk; needed after my dive into the Kos cesspool earlier. At least I found what I was looking for - the Kosname of a co-worker.

97 GeeWiz  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:03:33pm

I suspect that this latest brouhaha is nothing more than fodder for the media pundits to keep them occupied till the convention. The final shoe of the Clinton machine's ammo will drop just before the Dem convention. Watch and learn from those that make this a sport.

98 maddogg  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:04:16pm

re: #87 offendi


Democrats are political bedfellows of convenience they only care who can win it all for them. All will be forgiven in 2012.

You mean like they've forgiven Joe Lieberman?

99 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:04:18pm
100 EE  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:04:27pm

Hillary was talking about months into the campaign. She said that generally it was not until June that any candidate dropped out.
She mentioned that Bill Clinton clinched the nomination in June, by winning California in June.
She paused, and said that she clearly remembers that the month was June, because that was the month that Robert Kennedy was assassinated.

There is no way that the media are able to cut this courageous woman any slack. They assume the worst possible motives. She was stating facts, not cursing her rival.

Incidentally, the story about Hillary's trip to Bosnia has strangely omitted these important details, involving what the cameras did not show during her flight into Bosnia.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Straight Shooting From Tuzla, by Lissa Muscatine and Melanne Verveer
"Reports are now being embellished (to borrow a term du jour) to suggest that Bosnia was not really a danger zone. Her visiting American troops on a peacekeeping mission in a hostile environment is now being treated as if it were a trip to the beach. During a week of nonstop coverage, few journalists went beyong the irresistible video footage to ask what else happened on this trip and how Mrs. Clinton might have erred in the details about he landing in Tuzla. So here are some facts that provide context:



We flew in a C-17 cargo plane from Germany to Bosnia precisely because it was capable of steep descents and ascents into and out of areas of conflict. We were issued flak jackets on the plane before landing in Tuzla and were told the tarmac ceremony might be canceled or curtailed due to sniper fire from the surrounding hillsides. The first lady and Chelsea Clinton wer moved to the armored cockpit for the landing. Armored vehicles were placed around the tarmac, and Apache helicopters hovered overhead.



In a recent e-mail message to a British blogger, Ejup Ganic, who was the acting president of Bosnia during Mrs. Clinton's visit, wrote: "I remember that visit quite well. Although the NATO troops were in Tuzla, we still believed that some positions on the hills were occupied by radical Serbs, so I was worried about the overall safety." The planned welcoming ceremony was shortened, he said, but it still lasted a bit longer than expected because a nongovernment group brought along a little girl to sing to the first lady.



Later, Mrs. Clinton flew from Tuzla to two military outposts by helicpter, escorted by Apache gunships.

Can you imagine the situation with a President Barack Hussein Obama, and the first lady, Michelle Obama, doing this? I cannot.

Barack Obama's co-president, Michelle Obama, will be very different.

101 NY Nana  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:05:17pm

re: #77 Mich-again

And that was not the first time Shrill had done it, either. The bitch can deny, deny, deny..but that was done to send a message. There just is no low that is low enough for either of the Billaries. They are monsters.

'Concern for the Kennedys'? The same Kennedys that endorsed Hussein en masse?

Can I sell anyone a bridge? (No pun intended.)

I fear for our future and that of our kids and grandkids if either Demonrat is elected.

102 MandyManners  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:05:48pm

re: #84 tokyobk

It is totally obvious that the meida love Obama and think that Hillary is a bizzach, and of course that the loss of the media protection makes them like republicans. That said, her RFK comparison was stupid and cold-blooded, and proof that she is a total a-hole and that they only care about themselves. Her spin that it was cuz she was thinking about Teddy is an example of a narcisistic disorder where she can never do wrong and her wrong deeds are only altruism misunderstood by her lessers.

I am blinded by your brilliance! Really. Text-book analysis.

103 christheprofessor  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:06:05pm

Just more evidence that Hillary, despite the pre-Obama claims, is not the smartest woman in the world. In fact, I don't think she's that bright...

/certainly doesn't have Bill's instincts...

104 tokyobk  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:06:27pm

re: #87 offendi

Agreed 100%

105 Syrah  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:06:41pm

So imagine this for a ticket.

Obama/Oprah

?

unbeatable.

(or am I just too cynical?)

106 offendi  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:06:51pm

re: #98 maddogg

Lieberman doesn't follow democratic orthodoxy, Hills does.

107 MandyManners  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:07:01pm

re: #101 NY Nana

And that was not the first time Shrill had done it, either. The bitch can deny, deny, deny..but that was done to send a message. There just is no low that is low enough for either of the Billaries. They are monsters.

'Concern for the Kennedys'? The same Kennedys that endorsed Hussein en masse?

Can I sell anyone a bridge? (No pun intended.)

I fear for our future and that of our kids and grandkids if either Demonrat is elected.

She sure knows how to stir up things. I tip my hat to her for that much.

108 freedomplow  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:07:12pm

She was giving an (bad) example of why she is still in the race.

This is the real reason.

She's just afraid to be the one to make it public, she might have to now.

109 The Other Les  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:07:51pm

KARE-11 is now reporting the Hillary is apologizing for the assassination remark.

110 Mich-again  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:07:54pm

re: #101 NY NanaSo, she said the same thing back in March, but Olberant didn't go all apeshit back then. Odd no?

111 MandyManners  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:08:18pm
112 Mich-again  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:09:17pm

re: #100 EE

Interesting link. So why didn't Hillary bring all this up back when it mattered?

113 David IV of Georgia  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:10:03pm

re: #81 The Other Les

Memory deficient.

pos πος = who?

pos πως = how?

Foot is pous πους. The stem changes because it irregular.

114 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:10:09pm

Aw, c'mon you guys, give Hillary a break. She's just a victim of...

/not to worry, it's SFW

115 offendi  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:10:21pm

re: #105 Syrah

So imagine this for a ticket.

Obama/Oprah

?

unbeatable.

(or am I just too cynical?)

With Dr. Phil as Secretary of State ?

116 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:10:30pm
117 pleaseandthankyou  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:10:50pm

re: #26 average_guy

Sorry dude, I don't believe conspiracy bullsh**t whether it comes from the right or left.

118 maddogg  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:11:36pm

re: #108 freedomplow

She was giving an (bad) example of why she is still in the race.

This is the real reason.

She's just afraid to be the one to make it public, she might have to now.


I am a life long openly gay male who while having made mistakes in life, I have always admitted to mine. That is more than I can say for Barack Obama, and the DNC, who have been given every opportunity to address this matter before it was ever made public.

Well, that would certainly put some starch into the Reverend's accusations. If accurate, that is.

119 David IV of Georgia  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:11:38pm

re: #117 pleaseandthankyou

Sorry dude, I don't believe conspiracy bullsh**t whether it comes from the right or left.

I only believe the conspiracies that I am a part of.

120 Mich-again  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:11:48pm

re: #108 freedomplow

Oh geeze. The Obama G*y lover story. You're dropping that into the mix?

121 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:11:48pm
122 Syrah  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:12:11pm

re: #115 offendi

With Dr. Phil as Secretary of State ?

And "the view" can fill out the rest of the cabinet posts.

The meetings won't be dull.

123 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:12:21pm
124 P. Aaron  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:12:47pm

re: #25 Egfrow

The left will always eat their own. Pursuit of collective power justifies any ends to obtain it.

The left may eat their own but many Rino's Sh!t the members of their own party.

125 Mich-again  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:12:53pm

re: #119 David IV of Georgia

I only believe the conspiracies that I am a part of.

3 people can keep a secret if 2 of them are dead.

126 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:13:00pm
127 Mich-again  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:13:41pm

re: #126 savage_nation

Rosie as HHS Secretary? yikes!

Rosie as Ambassador to Saudi Arabia.

128 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:13:47pm

Keith Olbermann is not well in the head.

129 The Other Les  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:13:51pm

Meanwhile in Schlock Mercenary:

"Good point. But I don't want to get shot just because I didn't believe anyone could be dumber that you."

130 really grumpy big dog johnson  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:13:56pm

I guess that anyone who's actually read this thread would know by know that Hillary Clinton's "assassination" remark was taken completely out of context.

So why am I reading so many stupid comments, still?

131 David IV of Georgia  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:14:29pm
#125 Mich-again 5/23/08 8:12:53 pm

re: #119 David IV of Georgia

I only believe the conspiracies that I am a part of.

3 people can keep a secret if 2 of them are dead.

Assuming the third person isn't an idiot...

132 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:14:35pm
133 jaunte  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:14:49pm

More Olberman over the top:

"Those words, Senator?
You actually invoked the nightmare of political assassination.
You actually invoked the specter of an inspirational leader, at the seeming moment of triumph, for himself and a battered nation yearning to breathe free, silenced forever.

A battered nation yearning to breathe free. He wrote that himself.
Olberman is placing himself beyond parody.
Even Iowahawk might not be able to keep up with this one.

134 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:14:54pm
135 joecitizen  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:14:59pm

re: #103 christheprofessor

Just more evidence that Hillary, despite the pre-Obama claims, is not the smartest woman in the world. In fact, I don't think she's that bright...

/certainly doesn't have Bill's instincts...


though she does have his way with the ladies..

136 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:15:10pm

re: #123 song_and_dance_man

Ahhh... So that's what the "head with handles" comment was all about.
;)

137 The Other Les  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:15:17pm

re: #113 David IV of Georgia

Memory deficient.

pos %u03C0%u03BF%u03C2 = who?

pos %u03C0%u03C9%u03C2 = how?

Foot is pous %u03C0%u03BF%u03C5%u03C2. The stem changes because it irregular.

Okay.

So what is the correct Latin term for someone who eats their own foot?

138 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:15:31pm

I think it was just a stupid gaffe, and I actually feel a little sympathy for her (shudder!). I don't believe she was insinuating that Obama will be assassinated. That's just loony. She just made a mistake.

139 Mich-again  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:15:46pm

re: #130 really grumpy big dog johnson

I guess that anyone who's actually read this thread would know by know that Hillary Clinton's "assassination" remark was taken completely out of context.

So why am I reading so many stupid comments, still?

A politician should anticipate their comments being taken out of context. Thats why I think she shouldn't have brought it up at all.

140 MandyManners  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:15:48pm

re: #116 song_and_dance_man

Cackly Rodham sucks the big void.

I thought that was Monica's job.

141 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:16:04pm
142 beachkatie  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:16:07pm

re: #121 savage_nation

{Savage_ nation} ! Were are you tonight!

143 Syrah  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:16:18pm

re: #130 really grumpy big dog johnson

I guess that anyone who's actually read this thread would know by know that Hillary Clinton's "assassination" remark was taken completely out of context.

So why am I reading so many stupid comments, still?

When the media is out to "assassinate" your character, context becomes immaterial.

144 maddogg  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:16:23pm

If Hillary was to start talking about Obama being gay, she might have to do some explaining of her own.

145 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:16:48pm
146 tokyobk  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:16:48pm

re: #130 really grumpy big dog johnson

I guess that anyone who's actually read this thread would know by know that Hillary Clinton's "assassination" remark was taken completely out of context.

So why am I reading so many stupid comments, still?

Are you sure about that? I found her excuse to be worse than lame, deranged in fact.

147 Shay4l  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:17:20pm

Keith Olberman is a tool. A very short and blunt one, at that.

148 christheprofessor  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:17:23pm

re: #130 really grumpy big dog johnson

I'm guilty, myself... Hadn't read the thread, just commenting on the media's response...

/good to see you...

149 MandyManners  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:17:50pm

re: #130 really grumpy big dog johnson

I guess that anyone who's actually read this thread would know by know that Hillary Clinton's "assassination" remark was taken completely out of context.

So why am I reading so many stupid comments, still?

Lemme' eat my waffle!

150 beachkatie  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:18:14pm

re: #145 savage_nation
I was worried in bad weather territory!

151 tokyobk  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:18:30pm

The thread was set up to imply that Hillary is being smeared out of context but there is a credible case that she was just being tired and unwittingly honest.

152 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:18:35pm

re: #85 The Other Les

The two Democrats are showing us that their primary qualification for the highest office is that they are unfit for that (or any) public office.

Yeah, and what's worse is the fact that half the country can't see it.

153 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:18:57pm

re: #147 Shay4l

Keith Olberman is a tool. A very short and blunt one, at that.

He's a tool that runs on "D" cell batteries.

154 EE  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:18:58pm
Keith Obermann’s rant: “You actually used THOSE WORDS in this America, Senator?! You cannot SAY THIS!”

You cannot make a simple historically correct statement and say that Robert Kennedy was assassinated in that month of June. You cannot.

But if you are the media's darling Obama you can say that John McCain wants America to be at war in Iraq for a hundred years. And you can say this dirty libel twice. Because if Obamessiah says it, it's ok.

But if Hillary states a simple historical fact, all hell breaks loose.
Now Obama and his supporters will resume his efforts to shove her out of the race, just as he shoved all of his Dem rivals out of the race when he first got into politics. No, not exactly like that. He sent his lawyers to study the nominating petitions sheets of all of his rivals, and they disqualified enough sheets so that ALL of the candidates except Barack Obama were disqualified, and he ran unopposed.

For the US Senate, somebody must have leaked to the press the sex scandals involving BOTH the Democrat and Republican rivals, so their campaigns imploded and he was left with out a serious rival.

For the general election, the Obamites are trying to get John McCain disqualified from being President on the grounds that he was born in the Canal Zone. Of course, since his father was in the service, and that's where his father was stationed.

But you can always count on Obama to try to get all of his rivals eliminated before the race actually ends, and in some cases, before it even begins.

155 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:19:14pm
156 Mich-again  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:19:20pm

What if Hillary pointed out how Obama smoked cigarettes for years quitting only when he decided to run for President. Would that be taboo? Better ask the Olberman first.

157 offendi  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:19:23pm

The Clinton campaign is actually doing the smart thing for the position they are in after incompetently running the early part of her campaign, if their goal is to maintain control of the party and position her for 2012.

The best analogy is boxing. Hillary hanging in there and challenging Obama all the way through is the equivalent of body punching Obama to the point he may get tired enough to drops his hands and get KO'ed. He is an inexperienced candidate with questionable political stamina not built for hand to hand combat or trench warfare. They may have some goods on him or expect him to commit some major blunder in the remaining time.

Hillary will be remembered as a tough competitor ( ruthless counts among democrats) and she can tell them she told them so when 2008 becomes a disaster. It's a win-win.

158 freedomplow  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:19:23pm

re: #120 Mich-again

It's my only logical conclusion to why she keeps going.

She knows something might happen.

I never said I.

159 nyc redneck  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:19:55pm

she has always been kind of a bull in a china shop.

160 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:19:58pm

re: #151 tokyobk

The thread was set up to imply that Hillary is being smeared out of context but there is a credible case that she was just being tired and unwittingly honest.

Just think of the gauntlet she's run.

161 beachkatie  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:20:52pm

re: #155 savage_nationI'm so sorry' will pray for safe return!

162 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:21:11pm
163 Mich-again  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:21:15pm

re: #154 EE

For the general election, the Obamites are trying to get John McCain disqualified from being President on the grounds that he was born in the Canal Zone. Of course, since his father was in the service, and that's where his father was stationed.

If they really try that they will be done like dinner.

164 NY Nana  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:21:33pm

re: #30 winston06

To be honest, I do think Clintonistas are the most dishonest people on this earth after B. Hussein Obama and family.

Plus I think Clinton's can not be trusted at all

Exactly. Spot on. In some ways, the Billaries are even more evil that Hussein and /his lovely wife.

When you look into their history when he was the Gov. of AR? Shrill's thesis? The AR mafia? Shrill and the Rose Law Firm? Bubba's infamous last nanosecond pardons?

And Ron Brown and Vince Foster? They are a real danger to anyone who dares go against them, and I would not like to see Hussein, his Evil wife or his kids be at the wrong end of a gun. I hope that they strengthen his Secret Service protection.

I was an adult, and married when JFK was assassinated, and then Bobby Kennedy.

Shrill was, IMHO, sending a warning. She (?) damned well knew exactly what she was saying, but thought that it would go by unnoticed, especially on a holiday weekend. That was really stupid.

I cannot imagine anyone who even could wish an assassination on anyone...be the target good or evil.

And if Hussein had made an innuendo like that? I can imagine what the Billaries would have done to get attention...ugh.

165 formercorpsman  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:21:36pm

re: #71 Syrah

I think the Clinton's are pretty steamed that they have had to fight so hard for this, and to end up #2 is not something they are willing to settle for.

Oh, I think that is all of it right there.

This was a coronation up until some months ago.

You nailed it.

It is like one mob family looking to move in on the other's territory.

166 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:21:38pm

re: #103 christheprofessor

Just more evidence that Hillary, despite the pre-Obama claims, is not the smartest woman in the world. In fact, I don't think she's that bright...

/certainly doesn't have Bill's instincts...

Well, if she were so smart, why did she marry Bill?

167 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:21:53pm
168 Grammy Cracker  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:21:58pm

re: #108 freedomplow

She was giving an (bad) example of why she is still in the race.

This is the real reason.

She's just afraid to be the one to make it public, she might have to now.

Unless Rev. Manning does it first....
Obama is a closet......

Rev. Manning was on our local news/talk flamethrower WJR this week. Claims he has the goods on Barry. Says he'll drop the bombshell when the timing is right.....

Hummmm.....

169 beachkatie  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:22:16pm

re: #161 beachkatiebe safe man!

170 David IV of Georgia  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:22:19pm

re: #137 The Other Les

Okay.

So what is the correct Latin term for someone who eats their own foot?

Pediesus or something. I never studied Latin.

171 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:22:36pm
172 jamgarr  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:22:44pm

re: #162 savage_nation

I'm kinda liking Hillary to be honest.


I'mliking her to be honest too. It just doesn't happen that often.

173 MandyManners  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:22:44pm

re: #151 tokyobk

The thread was set up to imply that Hillary is being smeared out of context but there is a credible case that she was just being tired and unwittingly honest.

Why not both?

174 calcajun  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:23:19pm

Well, we now know what the 21st century equivalent of "Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest."

Or, if you are into something humorous, look no further than "Trading Places". It's eady to imagine Hillary in Dan Ackryod's role, waking after he is found by Eddie Murphy and taken back to his townhome:

Coleman, I've had the most absurd nightmare. I was poor and no one liked me. I lost my job, I lost my house. Penelope hated me. And it was all because of this terrible, awful Negro.

Yep, I can see Hillary saying something like that.

175 Grammy Cracker  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:23:29pm

re: #111 MandyManners

EC Marm ROCKS!

ROFL!

176 jaunte  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:23:46pm

re: #163 Mich-again

The question of McCain's eligibility has been floated:
[Link: www.google.com...]

177 MandyManners  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:24:01pm

re: #154 EE

You cannot make a simple historically correct statement and say that Robert Kennedy was assassinated in that month of June. You cannot.

But if you are the media's darling Obama you can say that John McCain wants America to be at war in Iraq for a hundred years. And you can say this dirty libel twice. Because if Obamessiah says it, it's ok.

But if Hillary states a simple historical fact, all hell breaks loose.
Now Obama and his supporters will resume his efforts to shove her out of the race, just as he shoved all of his Dem rivals out of the race when he first got into politics. No, not exactly like that. He sent his lawyers to study the nominating petitions sheets of all of his rivals, and they disqualified enough sheets so that ALL of the candidates except Barack Obama were disqualified, and he ran unopposed.

For the US Senate, somebody must have leaked to the press the sex scandals involving BOTH the Democrat and Republican rivals, so their campaigns imploded and he was left with out a serious rival.

For the general election, the Obamites are trying to get John McCain disqualified from being President on the grounds that he was born in the Canal Zone. Of course, since his father was in the service, and that's where his father was stationed.

But you can always count on Obama to try to get all of his rivals eliminated before the race actually ends, and in some cases, before it even begins.


That's some scary stuff.

178 The Other Les  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:24:15pm

re: #170 David IV of Georgia

Pediesus or something. I never studied Latin.

Sorry. Um... Greek?

/I'm self-educated...

179 tokyobk  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:24:40pm
"My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don't understand it."

Could go either way, as I said, I lean closer to think she said somthing out loub better kept to herself. Whatever it is, it aint presidential! Or even Clintonian in the BillyBob sense of the expression.

180 offendi  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:24:43pm

re: #127 Mich-again

Rosie as Ambassador to Saudi Arabia.

Ambassador Rosie : ( in loud voice ) HELLLOOOOOO SAUDIS, YOO- HOO, I NEED YOU TO PUMP MORE OIL ! AND RIGHT NOW MISTER!"

Might work.

181 hermeneutics  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:24:51pm

re: #166 Kosh's Shadow

Are you kidding? Bill is her ticket to power. She'd be a two-bit attorney without Bill's charm.

She reminds me of Eva Peron. Actually, her supporters remind me of Peron's Female Peronist Party. Remember that?

182 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:25:11pm
183 Mich-again  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:25:24pm

re: #164 NY Nana

Shrill was, IMHO, sending a warning.

I think she is using the most basic of all Saul Alinsky tactics.

Always remember the first rule of power tactics: Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have.
184 tokyobk  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:25:43pm

re: #173 MandyManners

Why not both?

Could be! Obama has got to be laughing his ass off just about now.

185 Silhouette  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:26:01pm

I learned all the Latin I know from Road Runner.

/smartus alecus

186 The Other Les  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:26:02pm

re: #181 hermeneutics

A two-bit Marxist attorney. They're worse.

187 christheprofessor  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:26:23pm

re: #166 Kosh's Shadow

Well, if she were so smart, why did she marry Bill?

Because she knew he was a political riser, and that she was a political loser. She has no ability to connect (at least to a TV audience) like Bill does -- she hitched her wagon, baked her cookies, and stood by her man for just the opportunity she is now squandering...

188 NY Nana  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:26:33pm

re: #107 MandyManners

She sure knows how to stir up things. I tip my hat to her for that much.

Mandy, I would be very very afraid of that bitch. She is 200 % pure, unadulterated evil.

Insinuating an assassiantion is the lowest I have seen yet...and Shrill knew exactly what she was saying.

189 Viking6  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:26:51pm

re: #21 pleaseandthankyou

Particularly since some people think Bill did in a bunch of people over the years. [Link: www.snopes.com...]
/sarc

190 Syrah  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:27:03pm

re: #165 formercorpsman

Oh, I think that is all of it right there.

This was a coronation up until some months ago.

You nailed it.

It is like one mob family looking to move in on the other's territory.

It does ring of mobsters.

The Southern Sapranos versus the Chicago Obamos.

191 winston06  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:27:04pm

Olbermann is an idiot

192 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:27:05pm

I just pray that nothing is decided before the Democratic Convention starts in August.

Should be good entertainment no matter what the outcome.

193 really grumpy big dog johnson  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:27:23pm

I've seen the video of what Clinton said. I don't think there was anything strange about what she said, or in her explanation about her comment. This is simply the Obama media trying to blast Hillary out of the race before Denver because they are deathly afraid of a floor fight.

And it will be a floor fight.

194 MandyManners  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:27:47pm

re: #164 NY Nana

Shrill was, IMHO, sending a warning. She (?) damned well knew exactly what she was saying, but thought that it would go by unnoticed, especially on a holiday weekend. That was really stupid.

McCain medical records? Hagee and Paisley?

Thanks, HRC!

195 maddogg  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:28:01pm

re: #162 savage_nation

I like her too, if she can keep both Obama and Hillary out of the White House, that is. I do think she is a very low and hateful form of life. She is tough, but so are Norway rats and cockroaches.

196 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:28:08pm
197 NY Nana  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:28:12pm

re: #166 Kosh's Shadow

Well, if she were so smart, why did she marry Bill?

If that is anything but a political partnership? They do deserve each other, though.

198 Mich-again  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:28:21pm

re: #180 offendi

Love that post. She would be a royal pain in the ass. Who would break it to her that she couldn't drive her own car.

199 legion  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:28:49pm

Hahaha I love it when the libtard dems get down and dirty. Maddogs chasing their tails! Think the rest of the country will remove their blinders and see what psychos they are? -----Nahhhhhhh

200 christheprofessor  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:28:54pm

re: #181 hermeneutics

Prayers on the way for your husband (sorry, I missed your mention of it initially on the last thread)...

201 Little Boomer  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:29:22pm

Hillary's dream for Denver is mine dream also. Do not let this meltdowndream die Hilldog!

202 NY Nana  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:29:24pm

re: #189 Viking6

Snopes is a very lefty site, BTW.

203 hermeneutics  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:29:36pm

re: #193 really grumpy big dog johnson

I concur with Grumpy. This doesn't appear to be a premeditated "gaffe" on her part. She's tired and "misspoke." No sarc tag.

204 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:29:38pm
205 MandyManners  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:29:50pm

re: #184 tokyobk

Could be! Obama has got to be laughing his ass off just about now.

Or, he could be huddled with his advisors trying to figure out the myriad implications and ramifications of this speech. (I hope the poor bastard gets to sneak a smoke sometime soon.)

206 Little Boomer  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:29:52pm

PIMF

207 Mich-again  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:30:03pm

re: #193 really grumpy big dog johnson

And it will be a floor fight.

It it comes to that it won't just be a floor fight. They'll be fighting outside too. Angry Womyn versus the Progs.

208 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:30:06pm

re: #197 NY Nana

If that is anything but a political partnership? They do deserve each other, though.

Well, they did produce Chelsea, so it wasn't purely political. (Now the thought of those two -- where's the brain bleach?) But you're right; she used him to get power, as others said also.

209 ethanxxx  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:30:21pm

What HRC said was an Logical Obvious Fact... And there's just no place in the Democratic Progressive Party of Useful Idiots for that kind of talk.

210 tokyobk  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:30:34pm

re: #192 Ringo the Gringo

I just pray that nothing is decided before the Democratic Convention starts in August.

Should be good entertainment no matter what the outcome.

Ringo, I agree as much as humanly possible and I am still a registered democrat. I am popping the popcorn.

211 MandyManners  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:31:09pm

re: #188 NY Nana

Mandy, I would be very very afraid of that bitch. She is 200 % pure, unadulterated evil.

Insinuating an assassiantion is the lowest I have seen yet...and Shrill knew exactly what she was saying.

With all due respect, I think this is perfect! It might throw the party into more turmoil than it is already.

212 6pat6  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:31:19pm

Notice The Shrill One and B. Hussein aren't volunteering their medical records? And, IIRC, The Shrill One's hubby never did during his eight years as Prez.

Gosh, another double-standard, doncha know!

213 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:31:19pm
214 BignJames  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:31:41pm

re: #208 Kosh's Shadow

I want DNA verification....I still say she's Webb's kid.

215 wolfie  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:31:47pm

re: #137 The Other Les

Your Greek word podophagy was fine! The stem of pos (foot) is pod-....y'no, as in podiatrist, or tripod. The one doing it would be a podophage.

If you want a Latin-derived word, you'd have to use pedivore. That's cute, but I thought your original one was nifty, myself!

216 The Other Les  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:32:06pm

re: #193 really grumpy big dog johnson

I've seen the video of what Clinton said. I don't think there was anything strange about what she said, or in her explanation about her comment. This is simply the Obama media trying to blast Hillary out of the race before Denver because they are deathly afraid of a floor fight.

And it will be a floor fight.

There was a caption that that appeared under a photo of Malcolm McDowell (with a whip) in a local weekly's review of CALIGULA.

"More effluvium! Punch up that sodomy!"

Something tells me that the DNC in Denver is going to be just as much fun.

217 offendi  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:32:15pm

re: #198 Mich-again

Love that post. She would be a royal pain in the ass. Who would break it to her that she couldn't drive her own car.

I would love to see her campaign for same-sex marriages in Saudi Arabia as well ! Our little "gift" to them !

218 hermeneutics  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:32:30pm

Lets posit that she meant to insinuate Obama would be assassinated. What exactly would she get out this comment?

I can't see how it would help her.

219 Grammy Cracker  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:32:40pm

re: #192 Ringo the Gringo

I just pray that nothing is decided before the Democratic Convention starts in August.

Should be good entertainment no matter what the outcome.

Buy your popcorn now.... Prices are rising daily, what with the demand for ethanol and oil and all.

220 6pat6  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:32:41pm

re: #208 Kosh's Shadow

Well, they did produce Chelsea

No, I think that if a DNA test were performed, Janet Reno would show as the father of little Chelsea.

221 MandyManners  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:32:57pm

BMOC. Woo Hoo.

222 formercorpsman  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:33:07pm

re: #193 really grumpy big dog johnson

I have to say, (with some actual regret believe it or not) but I relish the thought of that convention being the circus it could be.

This has the making of every political Molotov the machine has thrown out there over the past 40 years.

For every accusation, inference, and political hit job.

To see these jack-asses having to twist each other into pretzels at their own convention applying the labels they have used over the last 4 decades is like having Christmas twice in one year.

I feel like Flounder when he got accepted in to the Deltas.

223 hermeneutics  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:33:10pm

re: #213 savage_nation

No Way! WOnderful. We've got our insider.

224 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:33:13pm
225 The Other Les  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:33:48pm

re: #215 wolfie

Thank you.

226 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:33:49pm
227 Little Boomer  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:33:50pm

re: #220 6pat6

No, I think that if a DNA test were performed, Janet Reno would show as the father of little Chelsea.

LOL!

228 Spiny Norman  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:33:55pm

Keif Olberdouche has just become a parody of himself.

::shakes head in disbelief::

229 MandyManners  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:34:01pm

re: #220 6pat6

No, I think that if a DNA test were performed, Janet Reno would show as the father of little Chelsea.

Oh, really?

230 Mich-again  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:34:02pm

re: #213 savage_nation

And I will be there. My boss told me that I can get a load delivered and picked up in Denver. I put in a special request... :)

Get out of Denver baby go!
Get out of Denver baby go, go...

Be careful if you are there. Especially with that big carbon footprint of yours.

231 UncleSam  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:34:23pm

Nice of Olberman to set himself up as the National Censor.
Lefty fascist jerk....

232 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:34:34pm
233 The Other Les  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:34:34pm

re: #220 6pat6

No, I think that if a DNA test were performed, Janet Reno would show as the father of little Chelsea.

Then we really are living in South Park.

234 mikalm  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:34:40pm

While we're on the subject of people associated with the Clintons, and dirty politics:

What the 2000 Presidential debates should have sounded like (Warning: extremely bad language!)

The above link makes more sense if you've ever heard the amazing "Shut Up Little Man" audio-verite recordings.

235 Grammy Cracker  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:34:47pm

re: #213 savage_nation

And I will be there. My boss told me that I can get a load delivered and picked up in Denver. I put in a special request... :)

Weet! Do you need extra film or memory cards for the camera? Lizards will help.....

/well, this Lizard will...and I think others will as well.

236 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:34:48pm
237 NY Nana  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:34:51pm

re: #194 MandyManners

McCain medical records? Hagee and Paisley?

Thanks, HRC!

Sure took people away from those 2 [deleted], as what I would want to say would only stir up the same as last night's thread did...which I hope helps McCain, who is the only choice. And his medical records? Amazingly good, in view of what 'Nam did to him, as a 'guest' at the Hanoi Hilton.

In any other election? I would not be that happy with him...but now? He has to win, he just has to.

238 Mich-again  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:34:52pm

re: #220 6pat6

No, I think that if a DNA test were performed, Janet Reno would show as the father of little Chelsea.

Puke-burp alert. ugh.

239 David IV of Georgia  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:34:59pm

re: #215 wolfie

Your Greek word podophagy was fine! The stem of pos (foot) is pod-....y'no, as in podiatrist, or tripod. The one doing it would be a podophage.

If you want a Latin-derived word, you'd have to use pedivore. That's cute, but I thought your original one was nifty, myself!

I prefer sarcophagy, especially steak, bacon, chicken, ... ... ... ... ... .

240 yesandno  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:35:12pm

re: #191 winston06

Olbermann is an idiot

He would have to go up a couple of grades to be an idiot....

But then, Hillary did say it took a village..............

241 Oh no...Sand People!  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:35:13pm

The Clinton's moves are scripted. She didn't have a Huckabee moment, this was intentional.

/adjusts tinfoil hat...but only a bit.

242 ratherdashing  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:35:41pm

re: #215 wolfie

no wonder I couldn't find it on the internets

243 The Other Les  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:35:44pm

re: #231 UncleSam

Nice of Olberman to set himself up as the National Censor.
Lefty fascist jerk....

Triple redundant!

244 joecitizen  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:35:50pm

re: #232 savage_nation

I think my conceal/carry permit will be in soon. :D

'cept from what I understand you can't carry while yer truckin'..fed law mebbe?

245 6pat6  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:35:56pm

I think Denver is a place to avoid in mid-August this year. The Dhimmies want it to be 1968 again so bad, they can taste it. And, enough Lefty Californicators have had 30 years to thoroughly fuck up Colorado politics that Denver will never know what hit them. And of course, it will all be George Bush's fault.

IMHO, of course.

246 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:36:01pm
247 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:36:28pm
248 ethanxxx  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:36:30pm

re: #218 hermeneutics

Uhhh... She would become the Democratic nominee. It's basically the only way she can be.

249 Mich-again  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:36:41pm

re: #246 savage_nation

Oh, I'll be ready. The shop is going to install a cattle guard on the front of the truck next week.

A cow catcher on the front of the Semi Truck? HA!

250 The Other Les  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:36:45pm

re: #239 David IV of Georgia

I prefer sarcophagy, especially steak, bacon, chicken, ... ... ... ... ... .

MMMMMMMM! Fuddruckers!

251 mikalm  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:36:49pm

re: #230 Mich-again

Get out of Denver baby go!
Get out of Denver baby go, go...

'Cause you look just like a commie/And you might just be a member! :-)

252 6pat6  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:36:54pm

re: #229 MandyManners

OK, so Bill kissed her once in a picture. Don't mean a thing!

253 Grammy Cracker  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:36:56pm

re: #224 savage_nation

You really think Chelsea's dad is Webster Hubbell? I dont think so.

She looks more and more like Bill every time I see her. The nose knows.

I think Dr. 90210 knows that nose.

254 cookielady  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:36:59pm

Regardless of how her comment was meant and how it was taken out of context (like that has never happened before to anyone), there is no reason to be concerned about Barack Hussein Obama. The current in-country crop of Sirhan Sirhan's will be campaigning for him, not planning his assasination.

255 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:37:10pm

re: #232 savage_nation

Dude, where are ya? I think Al Gore is chasing you with his crazy weather machine! Be careful.

256 hermeneutics  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:37:12pm

Do you think that Recreate '68 is more hype than potential?

257 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:37:19pm

re: #164 NY Nana

Shrill was, IMHO, sending a warning. She (?) damned well knew exactly what she was saying, but thought that it would go by unnoticed, especially on a holiday weekend. That was really stupid.

I have to concur. She knew she was making news when she said it. Now America is reminded of 1968, and it (and she) is going to be a topic of discussion this weekend. It may have been stupid, but it was a calculated move on her part. Lust for power.

258 wolfie  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:37:22pm

re: #220 6pat6

No, I think that if a DNA test were performed, Janet Reno would show as the father of little Chelsea.

Suddenly I need a drink.

259 maddogg  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:37:28pm

Occam's Razor says Hillary just fucked up.

260 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:37:30pm
261 formercorpsman  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:37:39pm

re: #247 song_and_dance_man

You think she has resigned herself to losing the nomination, and now it is scorched earth?

262 Mich-again  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:38:11pm

Next on the docket..

Hillary points out that Barrack Hussein Obama is a Muslim apostate and you know what can happen to them....

263 hermeneutics  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:38:12pm

re: #248 ethanxxx

The comment, not the reality of assassination. I think her comment has been a net-negative for Hillary. Thus, it was unintentional.

264 Grammy Cracker  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:38:19pm

re: #229 MandyManners

Oh, really?

MY EYES! MY EYES!

/I REALLY need more wine now.....

265 6pat6  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:38:29pm

See, you guys and gals CAN picture a union between Janet and The Shrill One, can't you, huh huh huh?

:)

266 Syrah  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:38:43pm

re: #236 Ringo the Gringo

Recreate '68!

Egads!

We have two Alinsky acolytes fighting hammer and tong for the Democrat Nomination, and we will have Alinsky style protesters making a mess in the streets of Denver.

Denver will be a perfect Alinsky storm. The left deserves this - good and hard.

267 Viking6  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:39:14pm

re: #202 NY Nana
Thanks don't generally go there but thought it was worth a small giggle.

268 BignJames  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:39:20pm

re: #262 Mich-again

Now that would be cool.

269 Oh no...Sand People!  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:39:20pm

re: #220 6pat6

No, I think that if a DNA test were performed, Janet Reno would show as the father of little Chelsea.

BWAAAAHAAAAHAAAA!

270 Mich-again  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:39:21pm

re: #266 Syrah

Denver will be a perfect Alinsky storm. The left deserves this - good and hard.

Yes they do. You reap what you sow.

271 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:39:27pm
272 ratherdashing  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:39:29pm

re: #262 Mich-again

I wouldn't doubt it. She's only begun to fight.

273 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:39:32pm

re: #260 savage_nation

Police Officer: Mr. Savage, why did you shoot him 6 times.
Savage: Magazine only holds six bullets!

274 really grumpy big dog johnson  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:39:43pm

re: #192 Ringo the Gringo

Nothing can be decided before the convention. Obama's camp cannot control the floor, because their majority of committed delegates cannot ensure his nomination. In a normal convention one candidate has the candidacy wrapped up through committed delegates and controls the floor. Verbal declaratons toward one candidate or another by superdelegates is irrelevant until after the first ballot, if that results in a nomination.

Thus, equal time will be given to Clinton in Denver, because there aren't enough committed delegates available to control the floor.

It's gonna be a mucky-muck, and that's exactly as it should be.

275 The Other Les  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:39:59pm

re: #261 formercorpsman

You think she has resigned herself to losing the nomination, and now it is scorched earth?

Aren't you glad there aren't any particle beam satellites in orbit right now?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

276 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:40:16pm

re: #218 hermeneutics

Lets posit that she meant to insinuate Obama would be assassinated. What exactly would she get out this comment?

I can't see how it would help her.

She's planting fear in her opponent's head.

277 tokyobk  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:40:16pm

re: #255 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Dude, where are ya? I think Al Gore is chasing you with his crazy weather machine! Be careful.

I actually was going to plead with the Goracle to fly his private jet to Tokyo to advice me on my gardin. until this week it has been unseasonably cold and my veggie plants were starting to wilt. Fortunately for his carbon imprint and my pickles, the weather has become quite nice so should be a good few weeks of sun before rainy and humid season starts.

278 ethanxxx  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:40:21pm

re: #258 wolfie

Suddenly I need a drink.

And I will suddenly drink with you... Ready... DRANGK!

279 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:40:46pm
280 joecitizen  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:40:48pm

re: #260 savage_nation

It will be a Federal permit, good in 50 states. EXCEPT New York City, but we have no freight base there, mores the pity


that's cool..but I thought there was a special law against armed truckers,permit or not..

281 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:40:52pm

re: #217 offendi

I would love to see her campaign for same-sex marriages in Saudi Arabia as well ! Our little "gift" to them !

She should also campaign for inter-species marriages. Think of the number of goats that would get a ring if that were allowed. Camels, too.

282 jaunte  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:40:52pm

re: #273 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

If I had to hazard a guess, i would guess Mr. Savage will carry a larger magazine than six.

283 6pat6  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:41:03pm

Denver has a complete Jackass for a mayor. He actually welcomes these nutjobs with open arms - thinks it'll be "good" for the Denver economy. Yeah, it will - when the illegal alien party sub-base rolls into town to repair the riot damages!

284 cookielady  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:41:17pm

re: #164 NY Nana

I cannot imagine anyone who even could wish an assassination on anyone...be the target good or evil.



Didn't you see the movie about Bush? Have you never read any comments transported over here from Kos or Huff?

The Dems do it daily. You're just too decent a human being to believe it, dear Nana.

285 mikalm  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:41:50pm

re: #278 ethanxxx

What'cha drinking, Ethan?

(Bass Ale here)

286 Syrah  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:41:59pm

re: #256 hermeneutics

Do you think that Recreate '68 is more hype than potential?

It maybe, but it looks an awful lot like those indie protester sites set up to organize the WTO protest.

These protesters live for this kind of event.

287 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:42:06pm
288 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:42:06pm

re: #282 jaunte

But where do you draw the line? SAVAGE! where are ya, bud?

289 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:42:20pm
290 Grammy Cracker  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:42:41pm

re: #261 formercorpsman

You think she has resigned herself to losing the nomination, and now it is scorched earth?

I think she knows its over this year. Barry will lose to John Boy, and she'll be fresh as a daisy in 2012 to have another go....

291 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:42:57pm
292 formercorpsman  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:43:03pm

re: #275 The Other Les

Forget wheels.

Bitch on a laser beam. (P32 type)

293 Mich-again  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:43:05pm

re: #274 really grumpy big dog johnson

Thus, equal time will be given to Clinton in Denver, because there aren't enough committed delegates available to control the floor.

Yet.

I think there will be a big push for the super delegates to pledge for Obama before the convention just to avoid the mess that will ensue if they don't. Howie Dean will be bizzy the next few weeks. And at the risk of sounding crass, I wouldn't doubt that Ted Kennedy will be making some calls too.

294 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:43:07pm

re: #246 savage_nation

Oh, I'll be ready. The shop is going to install a cattle guard on the front of the truck next week.

You might need something out of Mad Max on the truck.

295 ethanxxx  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:43:10pm

re: #285 mikalm

What'cha drinking, Ethan?

(Bass Ale here)

Scotch... Johnny Walker Black... over ice.... aahhhhhh....

296 wolfie  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:43:29pm

re: #239 David IV of Georgia

I prefer sarcophagy, especially steak, bacon, chicken, ... ... ... ... ... .

:O It sounds too much like sarcophagus for me! IIRC, that's the literal derivation.....a coffin or tomb that swallows our flesh. EEK! I'll stick to the Latin carnivore for that one!
Now if only we could find a good Greek word/stem for waffle.

297 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:43:30pm
298 jaunte  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:43:43pm

re: #291 savage_nation

Just a guess; I'm guessing 1911!

299 The Other Les  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:43:58pm

I would suggest sticking both of them in the Thunderdome but that would involve violence.

300 legion  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:44:09pm

re: #180 offendi

Ambassador Rosie : ( in loud voice ) HELLLOOOOOO SAUDIS, YOO- HOO, I NEED YOU TO PUMP MORE OIL ! AND RIGHT NOW MISTER!"

Might work.

Nah, the Saudis wouldn't bother with a loudmouthed looney lesbian, they'd tell her same thing they already told us- PUMP YOUR OWN- go to your Anwar, off your coasts, in your so called over designated refuge areas, use coal, nuclear, build more refineries, reel in in your evil so called environmental wackos who are trying to destroy your system of government. Sissy Pussies. Or DIE!

301 Grammy Cracker  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:44:18pm

re: #273 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Police Officer: Mr. Savage, why did you shoot him 6 times.
Savage: Magazine only holds six bullets!

FBV! How the heck are ya? Home for the holiday, I hope?

302 RobCon  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:44:23pm
Hillary Clinton is finding out what it’s like to be a Republican tonight

Karma is a beach.

303 tokyobk  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:44:35pm

re: #293 Mich-again

Yet.

I think there will be a big push for the super delegates to pledge for Obama before the convention just to avoid the mess that will ensue if they don't. Howie Dean will be bizzy the next few weeks. And at the risk of sounding crass, I wouldn't doubt that Ted Kennedy will be making some calls too.

I am sure Ted Kennedy will have some public words. I almost feel bad for Hillary, almost.

304 6pat6  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:44:41pm

re: #299 The Other Les

"Two Jackasses enter, one Jackass leaves...
(repeat)

305 Oh no...Sand People!  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:44:46pm

re: #286 Syrah

It maybe, but it looks an awful lot like those indie protester sites set up to organize the WTO protest.

These protesters live for this kind of event.

The potential for the Dem's to beat themselves into oblivion? I live for this kind of event!

306 DistantThunder  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:45:11pm

I immediately understood the context of her comment being that he was still campaigning in June - and that she should continue into June - DUH!

I heard for the first time today that Olberman was gay - and if that's true now it makes sense why he still has a show - Keith is an affirmative action hire.

307 David IV of Georgia  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:45:16pm

re: #273 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Police Officer: Mr. Savage, why did you shoot him 6 times.
Savage: Magazine only holds six bullets!

I always thought it funny that people seem to think there is something dire about unloading a clip on someone as opposed to shooting them once.

If things ever go so wrong that I have to shoot someone, I'm going to make sure they stay down.

308 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:45:18pm
309 hermeneutics  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:45:30pm

re: #286 Syrah

I wonder about the actual number of '68ers," Syrah. Although, after seeing the Oregon crowds that came to worship Obama, I suppose there are oodles of them ... mostly on campuses.

310 Syrah  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:45:42pm

re: #302 RobCon

Karma is a beach.

. . . so where do we order the MaiTai's?

311 NY Nana  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:45:44pm

re: #208 Kosh's Shadow

Well, they did produce Chelsea, so it wasn't purely political. (Now the thought of those two -- where's the brain bleach?) But you're right; she used him to get power, as others said also.

In their case? Artificial insemination!

And they are using Chelsea mercilessly in this election.

Brain bleach in addition to a hazmat suit, after your research AKA dumpster diving, on another thread? ;)

312 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:45:54pm

re: #299 The Other Les

I would suggest sticking both of them in the Thunderdome but that would involve violence.

TWO MEN ENTER! ONE MAN LEAVES!

313 MandyManners  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:45:57pm

re: #237 NY Nana

Sure took people away from those 2 [deleted], as what I would want to say would only stir up the same as last night's thread did...which I hope helps McCain, who is the only choice. And his medical records? Amazingly good, in view of what 'Nam did to him, as a 'guest' at the Hanoi Hilton.

In any other election? I would not be that happy with him...but now? He has to win, he just has to.

Maybe it's time to let a HERO lead this nation. Warts and all.

314 MandyManners  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:46:16pm

Oops. I'm way behind.

315 wolfie  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:46:18pm

re: #242 ratherdashing

no wonder I couldn't find it on the internets

Les...er, the Other Les... has coined a new word! (All w/ proper Greek roots!)

316 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:46:21pm

Headline: "MSM Throws Hillary Under The Bus"

From reading the description of the whole situation, it sounded like a harmless remark taken completely out of context. I'm still shocked to see the media turn on Clinton and treat her like they treat everybody else ("everybody else" being "non-Democrats").

It's one thing to know intellectually that they always eat their own, but it's another thing entirely to watch it happen, and for the victim to be a Clinton. It's like watching a Michael Bay stunt in slow-motion. I guess this is what it felt like for the Soviets whenever the previous leader was purged.

317 DeathtotheSwiss  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:46:25pm

Keith Olberman is one of those unique individuals who truly defies believability.

I find it hard to grasp how someone so biased, stupid and crazy could have his own show. It's like the Daily Show without the jokes.

318 ethanxxx  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:46:39pm

re: #299 The Other Les

I would suggest sticking both of them in the Thunderdome but that would involve violence.

Then... To the Thunderdome! Let's see who's going to run Barter Town now Bee-atch!

319 Mich-again  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:46:43pm

re: #297 savage_nation

Salt Lake City. at the Flying Jihad

When I was a kid, we drove in a motor home out West. Because we were all bored, dad stopped alongside the Great Salt Lake so the kids could swim while mom made lunch. Ha. Short swim followed by 7 kids screaming in pain from salt burning their skin. Priceless!

320 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:46:47pm

re: #292 formercorpsman

Dynomite with a laser beam
Guaranteed to blow your mind
Anytime


321 jamgarr  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:47:01pm

re: #297 savage_nation

Salt Lake City. at the Flying Jihad

Reminds me - when I was in SLC a few years ago there was a HUGE mosque-looking structure next to the water on the way to Tooele that looked abandoned. Do you know what that was?

322 formercorpsman  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:47:28pm

re: #290 Grammy Cracker

From you description, it sounds like she's running for the part in a Massengill commercial, not the Presidency.

;)

323 MandyManners  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:47:29pm

re: #252 6pat6

OK, so Bill kissed her once in a picture. Don't mean a thing!

Notice his hands.

324 6pat6  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:47:36pm

Olberfuck is an idiot. He must have something on someone in power at CNBC/NBC, because if he were anywhere else, that fucknut would be fired.

325 Viking6  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:47:42pm

re: #245 6pat6
nope your right. Native Coloradan, never going back. Both my Dad (86) and daughter (23) still live there and both have ccw permits but I told them don't go downtown. It is going to be a real mess and probably some stupid restriction on the bag limit anyway.

326 MandyManners  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:48:25pm

re: #259 maddogg

Occam's Razor says Hillary just fucked up.

What's Occam's favorite after-shave?

*snicker*

327 tokyobk  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:48:34pm

The pre-actual politcal death post-mortems over at the HuffPo are kind of funny.

328 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:48:48pm
329 Mich-again  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:48:52pm

re: #306 DistantThunder

I heard for the first time today that Olberman was gay - and if that's true now it makes sense why he still has a show - Keith is an affirmative action hire.

Oh geeze.

330 jaunte  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:48:55pm

re: #308 savage_nation

I just got one of these in .45, and it's some fun:
[Link: www.cx4storm.com...]

331 6pat6  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:48:55pm

re: #325 Viking6

I'm one, too, third-generation. Never moving back, either, sad to say.

332 hermeneutics  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:49:00pm

re: #316 Pawn of the Oppressor

If some damning story does emerge about Obama, one that renders him unelectable among Dems before their convention, the media have so scarred Hillary that she can't be a viable candidate.

Dems would have to find another.

Possible scenario.

333 formercorpsman  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:49:03pm

re: #297 savage_nation

dude.

Flying Jihad, damn.

Yeah, I laughed.

334 MandyManners  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:49:10pm

re: #264 Grammy Cracker

MY EYES! MY EYES!

/I REALLY need more wine now.....

Slowly, Grammy. Slowly.

335 Syrah  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:49:18pm

re: #309 hermeneutics

The WTO riots here in Seattle made a believer out of me.

The worst ones will dress all in black and where bandana scarves over their face and Ski-Masks over their head.

Starbucks stores for miles around the convention center will be smashed and vandalized.

It will be a sight to see.

With the whole country watching. . .

336 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:49:21pm
337 slokat  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:50:02pm

re: #313 MandyManners

Maybe it's time to let a HERO lead this nation. Warts and all.

Hero Warts.... sounds like a spinoff opportunity?

338 ted  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:50:12pm

Hillary+Obama:

May 23, 2008

How Crypto-Marxism Won the Cold War

By James Lewis

Today, for the first time in American history we have two --- count 'em, two --- hard-core Leftists running for the Democrat Party nomination. The Left hasn't had this kind of chance for power since Truman defeated Henry Wallace in 1948. Hillary and Obama are Marx twins who only differ in race and gender.

All the media tell us is how great it is to have a woman and a black man running for president. What those two really believe, where they learned their quasi-religion, where they derive their support, who else they want to raise to power, and what they will do if they get there --- all that doesn't even get discussed. All over the world, Leftist hearts are leaping at Hillarybama. What exciting progress!

Wait a minute. Marxism lost the Cold War, right? The Soviet Empire came down, Eastern Europe was liberated, China is now semi-capitalist, and post-socialist countries like India are thriving like never before. More of the world is prospering, because economic and political freedoms have spread since the USSR crumbled. Even Russia has a low, flat tax to encourage free markets. Indigenous talents and enterprise are finally being liberated, and the results are wonderful for hundreds of millions of people.

Liberals are upset today because free-market economies are growing too fast, and are therefore polluting an unsullied Mamma Earth. Tens of millions of ordinary people in China and India are doing too well. The elites seem to yearn for the good old days --- the famines in India, the massacres in Russia and China --- and that wonderful sense of being in charge of human progress.

And yet ... in spite of years and years Leftist catastrophes, our organs of propaganda are still tilting drunkenly to the Left. Crypto-Marxism, a barely disguised revival of the old farce, is flourishing in our chattering classes. The prestige that Marxism lost in the real world soon came back in fantasy. Oh, if people only loved one another! Oh, if people only cared! Oh, if we only had real solidarity with the wretched of the earth! That's the feel-good story. But the real yearning is for power: Oh, if only people like us were in charge of everything.
[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

339 The Other Les  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:50:18pm

re: #315 wolfie

Les...er, the Other Les... has coined a new word! (All w/ proper Greek roots!)

I'll have it added to the New Devil's Dictionary.

[Link: www.urbin.net...]

340 Killian Bundy  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:50:24pm
Keith Obermann’s rant: “You actually used THOSE WORDS in this America, Senator?! You cannot SAY THIS!”

He's not even a pathetic drama queen.

/God forbid, Obama actually gets elected, what the hell will he do with him self?

341 mikalm  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:50:44pm

re: #321 jamgarr

The Saltair Pavilion, immortalized in the move Carnival of Souls.

342 6pat6  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:51:01pm

Shrilly runs BarterTown!

No, Barry runs BarterTown!

343 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:51:35pm

re: #320 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Dynomite? I can't believe I spelled it like that.

DAMN YOU J.J.WALKER!

344 joecitizen  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:51:40pm

re: #332 hermeneutics

If some damning story does emerge about Obama, one that renders him unelectable among Dems before their convention, the media have so scarred Hillary that she can't be a viable candidate.

Dems would have to find another.

Possible scenario.

Gore.

345 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:51:43pm
346 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:51:43pm

re: #320 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Dynomite with a laser beam
Guaranteed to blow your mind
Anytime


[Link: www.youtube.com...]

So do you mean Hillary is a Killer Queen?

347 Grammy Cracker  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:52:38pm

re: #322 formercorpsman

From you description, it sounds like she's running for the part in a Massengill commercial, not the Presidency.

;)

Eeeeewwww....NOT what I was thinking at the time....

Hillary....Massengill.....BRAIN BLEACH! STAT!

348 hermeneutics  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:52:56pm

re: #335 Syrah

Wow ... there is a perverse side of me that wants to show up in Denver just to see what happens. I just may!

349 hermeneutics  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:53:28pm

re: #337 slokat

Slo! I'm having a horrible day ... do you have an uplifting photo to share?

350 The Other Les  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:53:31pm

re: #316 Pawn of the Oppressor

That's going to require a double deck nuclear powered bus.

351 legion  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:53:32pm

re: #328 savage_nation

Good- get rid of Lieberman from my state- the RINO Gov. Rell will put in a new Republican Senator and help fix the balance of power!

352 tokyobk  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:53:32pm

re: #328 savage_nation

I cut and pasted this from Michelle Malkin.

Which leaves us with Senator John McCain.

She is so dead on....

Thanks for that. I have admitted to having had a sip or two of the Barack kool aid and unlike many here I think his ability to get the press behind him etc recommends him. Ditto cutting the legs of the mightly clintons. Ditto using his boring Change mantra which works. He is after all a politican. Oh, I may have mentioned here before I am part black, and there is no question that makes me biased towards Obama.

But it will be very hard not to vote for McCain on the grounds Malkin outlines.

353 David IV of Georgia  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:53:37pm

re: #296 wolfie

:O It sounds too much like sarcophagus for me! IIRC, that's the literal derivation.....a coffin or tomb that swallows our flesh. EEK! I'll stick to the Latin carnivore for that one!
Now if only we could find a good Greek word/stem for waffle.

"Flesh eater" is what both sarcophagy and sarcophagus mean.

sarks σαρξ = flesh
phagein φαγειν = to eat

354 ted  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:53:39pm

re: #347 Grammy Cracker

Eeeeewwww....NOT what I was thinking at the time....

Hillary....Massengill.....BRAIN BLEACH! STAT!

BWAHAHA!

355 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:54:17pm

re: #301 Grammy Cracker

Yep. Sitting on my crappy couch (new but crappy!) I work tomorrow, but, Sunday and Monday off. Which are what I have off anyway. So, Woo Hoo!

I work really long hours for someone so...uh...well, you, know.

356 Grammy Cracker  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:54:22pm

re: #325 Viking6

Bwwwaaaaahhh!

357 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:54:46pm
358 slokat  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:54:51pm

re: #346 Kosh's Shadow

She wouldn't know how to appreciate Moet et Chandon

359 slokat  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:55:24pm

re: #349 hermeneutics

I'll look - stat

360 formercorpsman  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:55:26pm

re: #347 Grammy Cracker

I was smiling at the end.

I'm sorry, you threw the pitch and I swung.

361 Grammy Cracker  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:55:31pm

re: #349 hermeneutics

Slo! I'm having a horrible day ... do you have an uplifting photo to share?

Will any of these help?

362 The Other Les  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:55:39pm

re: #335 Syrah

The WTO riots here in Seattle made a believer out of me.

The worst ones will dress all in black and where bandana scarves over their face and Ski-Masks over their head.

Starbucks stores for miles around the convention center will be smashed and vandalized.

It will be a sight to see.

With the whole country watching. . .

So if someone owns stock in Starbucks they should sell?

363 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:55:52pm
364 NY Nana  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:55:54pm

re: #211 MandyManners

With all due respect, I think this is perfect! It might throw the party into more turmoil than it is already.

Very good point! But insinuating re an assassination is not the best way to create turmoil.

/My head hurts!

365 wolfie  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:56:31pm

re: #339 The Other Les

I'll have it added to the New Devil's Dictionary.

[Link: www.urbin.net...]

Cool!
But, um,....you do know that you must first ask Keith Olberman's permission before you can say a word?
Heh.

366 MandyManners  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:56:36pm

re: #338 ted

Hillary+Obama:

May 23, 2008

How Crypto-Marxism Won the Cold War

By James Lewis

Today, for the first time in American history we have two --- count 'em, two --- hard-core Leftists running for the Democrat Party nomination. The Left hasn't had this kind of chance for power since Truman defeated Henry Wallace in 1948. Hillary and Obama are Marx twins who only differ in race and gender.

All the media tell us is how great it is to have a woman and a black man running for president. What those two really believe, where they learned their quasi-religion, where they derive their support, who else they want to raise to power, and what they will do if they get there --- all that doesn't even get discussed. All over the world, Leftist hearts are leaping at Hillarybama. What exciting progress!

Wait a minute. Marxism lost the Cold War, right? The Soviet Empire came down, Eastern Europe was liberated, China is now semi-capitalist, and post-socialist countries like India are thriving like never before. More of the world is prospering, because economic and political freedoms have spread since the USSR crumbled. Even Russia has a low, flat tax to encourage free markets. Indigenous talents and enterprise are finally being liberated, and the results are wonderful for hundreds of millions of people.

Liberals are upset today because free-market economies are growing too fast, and are therefore polluting an unsullied Mamma Earth. Tens of millions of ordinary people in China and India are doing too well. The elites seem to yearn for the good old days --- the famines in India, the massacres in Russia and China --- and that wonderful sense of being in charge of human progress.

And yet ... in spite of years and years Leftist catastrophes, our organs of propaganda are still tilting drunkenly to the Left. Crypto-Marxism, a barely disguised revival of the old farce, is flourishing in our chattering classes. The prestige that Marxism lost in the real world soon came back in fantasy. Oh, if people only loved one another! Oh, if people only cared! Oh, if we only had real solidarity with the wretched of the earth! That's the feel-good story. But the real yearning is for power: Oh, if only people like us were in charge of everything.
[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]


A gazillion up-dings!

367 jamgarr  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:56:36pm

re: #341 mikalm

The Saltair Pavilion, immortalized in the move Carnival of Souls.


That's the place. Thanks.

368 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:56:36pm

Dang. I'm as tired as a hooker in Manhattan during Fleet Week.

369 Kailen  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:57:21pm
Keith Obermann’s rant: “You actually used THOSE WORDS in this America, Senator?! You cannot SAY THIS!”

Someone get this man a copy of the Bill of Rights, STAT!

370 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:57:23pm

re: #368 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

G'night Jason!

371 jamgarr  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:57:40pm

re: #345 savage_nation

Thanks.

372 hermeneutics  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:57:52pm

re: #361 Grammy Cracker

My Michigan park pass is stuck on my windshield ... and is still valid. Makes me want to go back, particularly the first photo.

Thanks. :)

373 Dr. Shalit  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:57:53pm

OK Everyone -

HILLARY is being PILLORIED by her PAST! That is all. Rather have Nitwit OBAMA for 4 years than Malignant HILLARY for possibly 8. The Republic could and would survive either, How-Ever 4 is less than 8.

-S-

374 Grammy Cracker  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:58:13pm

re: #360 formercorpsman

I was smiling at the end.

I'm sorry, you threw the pitch and I swung.

S'alright! After you mentioned it, I got the mental picture of Hills with her *feminine* products, and....

Oooooh! There it goes again! More brain bleach! LOL

375 hermeneutics  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:58:44pm

re: #362 The Other Les

If you own Starbucks, you should have sold months ago. Short the stuff.

376 cookielady  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:58:51pm

re: #325 Viking6

It is going to be a real mess and probably some stupid restriction on the bag limit anyway.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

377 MandyManners  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:59:11pm

re: #364 NY Nana

Very good point! But insinuating re an assassination is not the best way to create turmoil.

/My head hurts!

Tylenol?

Seriously, I understand the ethics of it all.

378 Viking6  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:59:17pm

re: #331 6pat6
boy don't u miss the winter park ski train. Used to live in Aspen in the mid 70's when the Pitkin County was still run by the Republican Party. Unfortunately my daughter went to DU and it has been a nightmare to get her back into the fold.

379 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:59:26pm
380 The Other Les  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:59:33pm

re: #365 wolfie

I don't care if he does have a stinking badge.

381 christheprofessor  Fri, May 23, 2008 8:59:57pm

re: #368 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Dang. I'm as tired as a hooker in Manhattan during Fleet Week.

The Navy has fleets in Manhattan?

/

382 realwest  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:00:03pm

Good evening all Y'all - what have I missed?!

383 Syrah  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:00:13pm

re: #348 hermeneutics

Wow ... there is a perverse side of me that wants to show up in Denver just to see what happens. I just may!

Personally, I think it would be better to watch on TV.

I don't know how the Denver Cops will behave.

There are few things quite as dangerous as frightened cops surrounded by lunatic teenagers throwing rocks, bottles and who knows what at them.

On the first day of the WTO riots, I was riding the ferry into Seattle. The boat was full of people dressed up in paper-mache turtle costumes and a bunch of old union labor organizers. They all thought they were going to a harmless carnival in the streets with puppet protesters and parades.

Then the Eugene Anarchist tore the city a new one. It was ugly.

384 Dr. Shalit  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:00:18pm

re: #376 cookielady

Bag Limit or Bag Lady - Which would all 'y'all prefer?

-S-

385 beachkatie  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:00:32pm

re: #363 savage_nationME too! Bbt! WEET dreams to ya ALL! Enjoy your weekend lizards!

386 The Other Les  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:01:08pm

re: #381 christheprofessor

The Navy has fleets in Manhattan?

/

Yes!

[Link: www.strategypage.com...]

387 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:01:16pm
388 mikalm  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:01:40pm

re: #378 Viking6

Aspen in the mid-70s, eh? Did you ever meet Hunter S. Thompson?

389 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:01:54pm

re: #293 Mich-again

Yet.

I think there will be a big push for the super delegates to pledge for Obama before the convention just to avoid the mess that will ensue if they don't. Howie Dean will be bizzy the next few weeks. And at the risk of sounding crass, I wouldn't doubt that Ted Kennedy will be making some calls too.

Makes no difference. The superdelegates only count on the ballot, not the committed totals. Obama is far away from nomination without them. He probably wins, but he cannot control the floor. Only with an assured majority of committed delegates - those chosen by primary or caucus - can he do so.

It will be fun.

390 Spiny Norman  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:01:55pm

re: #338 ted

Excellent link, Ted!

I tried out the "Recommend" feature on the "Exclamation Point" reporting doohickey.

391 slokat  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:02:01pm

Dinosaur Point, not because of fossils... but, because there used to be a two story stucco dino on top of this point that you could walk up inside and look out of the mouth at the ocean.

Pre-freeway, highway 1 in the 50's?

In rough weather the cave booms when the swell fills it.

392 Grammy Cracker  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:02:17pm

re: #372 hermeneutics

My Michigan park pass is stuck on my windshield ... and is still valid. Makes me want to go back, particularly the first photo.

Thanks. :)

Any time! I guess the frozen, ice storm ones wouldn't be too uplifting right about now, come to think of it....

393 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:02:18pm
394 mikalm  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:02:23pm

re: #385 beachkatie

'Night, Katie!

395 realwest  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:02:23pm

re: #381 christheprofessor Hey there CtP! Hope you're doing well!
Yeah, during Fleet Week (usually around the 4th of July) the US Navy and some of our allies send a few ships into port in NYC. When the aircraft carrier Intrepid was berthed at the pier on W. 47ht street, Marines or Rangers would do helicopter rappelling and stuff and you could tour the ships that came in for Fleet Week!

396 Syrah  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:02:45pm

re: #362 The Other Les

So if someone owns stock in Starbucks they should sell?

Not based on any damage they might sustain in the riots.

They are a goofy company, but I think they are still making a ton of money.

Not sure how well they will do in a $13 a gallon economy though.

397 legion  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:03:04pm

re: #363 savage_nation

Except for his defense of the the war on terrorists- he's a complete dufus on all the social issues- another won't drill in ANWAR- won't do anything about illegals, economic policies, OMG- yadda yadda yadda- here's from the National Review Article on ANWAR--Because passions so completely trump reason on this issue, ANWR becomes ripe as a wedge issue for opportunistic Democrats. For example, Sen. Joseph Lieberman says ANWR exploration "would cause irreversible damage to one of God's most awesome creations." This is irresponsible absurdity. Not only would the damage, in fact, be reversible; this area simply cannot hold a candle to God's most awesome creations. The Post (and the New York Times) had it right in the 1980s, when they supported exploration-with far more intrusive technology than today's-in this truly remote, bleak, and nigh-upon-inaccessible redoubt on the top of the world.

398 MandyManners  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:03:16pm

re: #388 mikalm

Aspen in the mid-70s, eh? Did you ever meet Hunter S. Thompson?

I got shit-faced drunk with him once.

399 mikeymom  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:03:17pm

ok--i dont know if i can tell this-it may be one of those you had to be there==hubby and i went for pizza and wine with our son and his gorgeous-but blonde fiancee-on the second bottle of wine she said--i have a joke! if a stork brings white babies, and a crow brings black babies, what brings no babies? my hubbys says--orthonocus interruptis? she looks at him soo surprised--and say no, dad--swallow! (we love her-cant wait for the wedding!)

400 beachkatie  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:03:24pm

re: #394 mikalmthankyou sweetie!

401 Edouard  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:03:34pm
402 Mich-again  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:03:49pm

re: #349 hermeneutics

Slo! I'm having a horrible day ... do you have an uplifting photo to share?

How about this one. Its a picture my wife took last Weekend at a local TV station studio where they were filming commercials for the "Brightest and Best" spots that will be running in the Detroit area the next month or so.

Our son was invited and he's in that group somewhere. A really cool photo,

403 christheprofessor  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:03:50pm

Remind me to bold the "/" next time... ;)

404 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:03:52pm

re: #357 savage_nation

I hope the Denver cops make the Chicago PD of 1968 look like pansies!

The Denver cops are gonna get it from both sides: those who want to make mayhem, and those who want to make mayhem on those who make mayhem. They may have to superglue them together, back-to-back, just in case.

405 hermeneutics  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:03:52pm

re: #383 Syrah

What we need to do is deploy the lizard army to Denver dressed up as anarchists. Under their black robes would be video cams. We'd "do Denver" Zombie-style and make our own tv images on Youtube.

I'm sure the media will neuter the images. Wouldn't it be fun to tell the truth?

Assuming, of course, that the truth is as dangerous/exciting/picturesque as we hope.

406 Dr. Shalit  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:04:00pm

OK Everyone -

Should it happen, 4 years of the O'Bama or 8 years of Hillary. I choose 4. With Bobby Jindal after that.

-S-

407 hermeneutics  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:04:11pm

re: #388 mikalm

I confess to loving Gonzo journalism.

408 realwest  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:04:33pm

re: #398 MandyManners
Hi Mandy - didja really get shit-faced drunk with Hunter S. Thompson? Wow. Was he a good companion - tell great stories and such?

409 ratherdashing  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:05:07pm

From the AP story:

"I know Hillary Clinton, and the last thing in the world she'd ever want is to wish misfortune on anybody. She and Barack are friends," Durbin said. "It was ... a careless remark and we'll leave it at that."


Dick Durbin still doesn't understand reality.

410 mikeymom  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:05:13pm

re: #402 Mich-again

that was awesome--congrats!

411 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:05:21pm
412 slokat  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:05:46pm

re: #405 hermeneutics

black outfits and lizard heads....

413 realwest  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:06:09pm

re: #403 christheprofessor Hey CtP - don't forget to bold the "/" next time! LOL!

414 The Other Les  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:06:19pm

Jupiter now has three red spots!

[Link: antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov...]

Jupiter's recent outbreak of red spots is likely related to large scale climate change as the gas giant planet is getting warmer near the equator.

Imagine how big the Jovian SUV's must be.

415 wolfie  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:06:39pm

What if?
What if Hillary had stayed a Goldwater girl and not become a lefty when she went to Wellesley?
What if she hadn't married the slickster?
What if, instead of hanging out with the moonbats at law school she had connected w/ Yale conservatives like Bork or Clarence Thomas?
What if a unicorn ate Cleveland?

416 MandyManners  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:06:40pm

re: #398 MandyManners

I got shit-faced drunk with him once.

Oops. Bad flashback.

417 David IV of Georgia  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:06:41pm

re: #406 Dr. Shalit

OK Everyone -

Should it happen, 4 years of the O'Bama or 8 years of Hillary. I choose 4. With Bobby Jindal after that.

-S-

Change. After 4 years of Obama, the never-ending utopia begins. Hope.

418 christheprofessor  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:06:54pm

re: #395 realwest

Top 'o the evenin' to ya!

We sorta have the same thing here, but not nearly on the same scale...

419 Mich-again  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:07:04pm

re: #410 mikeymom

that was awesome--congrats!

Thanks.. That picture is so optimistic. I love it.

420 cookielady  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:07:11pm

re: #384 Dr. Shalit

Bag Limit or Bag Lady - Which would all 'y'all prefer?

-S-

Well, I'd like to Limit the Bag, that's for sure.

421 cookielady  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:07:49pm

re: #385 beachkatie

Weet dreams, katie!

422 Racer X  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:07:52pm

Lakers, Baby!

423 The Other Les  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:07:59pm

re: #415 wolfie

What if?
What if Hillary had stayed a Goldwater girl and not become a lefty when she went to Wellesley?
What if she hadn't married the slickster?
What if, instead of hanging out with the moonbats at law school she had connected w/ Yale conservatives like Bork or Clarence Thomas?
What if a unicorn ate Cleveland?

I would vote for her.

424 Syrah  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:08:02pm

re: #405 hermeneutics

What we need to do is deploy the lizard army to Denver dressed up as anarchists. Under their black robes would be video cams. We'd "do Denver" Zombie-style and make our own tv images on Youtube.

I'm sure the media will neuter the images. Wouldn't it be fun to tell the truth?

Assuming, of course, that the truth is as dangerous/exciting/picturesque as we hope.

It could be a lot of fun.

Just be prepared for things to get bad.

I would argue against the wearing of the black though. When the cops have their fill and start breaking heads, you don't want them confusing you for one the anarchist.

425 Dr. Shalit  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:08:04pm

re: #363 savage_nation

savage -

I voted for GORE in 2000 due to JOE. As for honesty, even if you disagree with him (and I DO on lots of stuff) - JOE is THE REAL DEAL!

-S-

426 hermeneutics  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:08:21pm

re: #391 slokat

Dinosaur Point, not because of fossils... but, because there used to be a two story stucco dino on top of this point that you could walk up inside and look out of the mouth at the ocean.

Pre-freeway, highway 1 in the 50's?

In rough weather the cave booms when the swell fills it.

I like the ice plant in the foreground, colored strata in the rocks, serenity of the ocean.
Wish I was there. And I'm glad the silly dinosaur is gone!

427 Neo Con since 9-11  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:08:24pm

re: #401 Edouard

Typical birdbrain, parroting the Messiah

Heh.

It's not bad enough that the dead support Obama. Now the left's pets are going to be voting for him too.

428 slokat  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:08:57pm

Herme... have actually gone out a few times lately just to shoot seals, they haven't cooperated by being there.

429 legion  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:09:06pm

re: #415 wolfie

What if?
What if Hillary had stayed a Goldwater girl and not become a lefty when she went to Wellesley?
What if she hadn't married the slickster?
What if, instead of hanging out with the moonbats at law school she had connected w/ Yale conservatives like Bork or Clarence Thomas?
What if a unicorn ate Cleveland?

She was President of her Republican Club in College! Her Daddy was a super Republican- (her mommy was a commie).

430 livefreeor die  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:09:26pm

Billary brought this reaction to her statement on themselves. They expected the media would always be watching their backs and they got increasingly sloppy and arrogant over his presidency. They are always manipulating people and situations to benefit themselves and have stepped on a lot of people. It was their own behavior that made it easy to whip up a media frenzy over her statement.

431 Mich-again  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:09:35pm

If AlGore were the candidate ahead of Hillary she might point out how his out of control weight problem could lead to health issues.

432 cookielady  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:09:41pm

re: #396 Syrah

Not sure how well they will do in a $13 a gallon economy though.

Isn't the coffee already more than that?

433 hermeneutics  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:10:02pm

re: #428 slokat

Oh, thank you, Slo.

434 MandyManners  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:10:04pm

This is moving fast.

435 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:10:07pm

re: #414 The Other Les

Jupiter now has three red spots!

[Link: antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov...]

Jupiter's recent outbreak of red spots is likely related to large scale climate change as the gas giant planet is getting warmer near the equator.

Imagine how big the Jovian SUV's must be.

I'm sure it's related to the radiation of infrared from super-heated Earth that must be causing this...

/moonbaticus ignoramus

436 livefreeor die  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:10:11pm

re: #415 wolfie

What if?
What if Hillary had stayed a Goldwater girl and not become a lefty when she went to Wellesley?
What if she hadn't married the slickster?
What if, instead of hanging out with the moonbats at law school she had connected w/ Yale conservatives like Bork or Clarence Thomas?
What if a unicorn ate Cleveland?

That would be one hurting unicorn.

437 mikeymom  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:10:38pm

re: #424 Syrah

also-denver gets awful hot in august--black would not be a good clothing choice--i will offer toput up any lizards--i live 40 min no of denver--lol--could be a fun par-tay--BYOB

438 Dr. Shalit  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:11:46pm

re: #417 David IV of Georgia

"Dave 4" -

Where I reside, everybody HOPES that you have CHANGE - for a dollar, a quarter.... or can sell them a cigarette.

-S-

439 cookielady  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:11:56pm

re: #406 Dr. Shalit

OK Everyone -

Should it happen, 4 years of the O'Bama or 8 years of Hillary. I choose 4. With Bobby Jindal after that.

-S-

Yes, Yes, Yes, a thousand times Yes!

440 livefreeor die  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:12:08pm

re: #437 mikeymom

also-denver gets awful hot in august--black would not be a good clothing choice--i will offer toput up any lizards--i live 40 min no of denver--lol--could be a fun par-tay--BYOB

Dress like Dead-heads. You'll blend right in. Of course, you better start growing out your hair and stop bathing to really get the look.

441 Syrah  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:12:21pm

re: #432 cookielady

Isn't the coffee already more than that?

Just about.

So the choice that their customers will have to make will be "$13 bucks for a gallon of gas so that I can get to work or $13 bucks for a cup of coffee so that I can stay awake at work?"

Which choice will win out?

442 mikalm  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:12:26pm

re: #424 Syrah

It could be a lot of fun.

Just be prepared for things to get bad.

I would argue against the wearing of the black though. When the cops have their fill and start breaking heads, you don't want them confusing you for one the anarchist.

I think that was part of the thinking behind the Protest Warriors' wearing of white shirts. Another reason was so that PWs could identify each other -- it stands out starkly at such gatherings, since it's the one color you won't see a moonbat wearing at a demo.

443 eoin  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:12:33pm

I just got back from 6 years in Spain and came back to see and old espn reporter talking about Bush and Cheney. I thought it was some kind of comedy show but quickly realized that he was trying to be serious about what he was saying. I cannot believe he has a job at all for any cable news network. Words cannot describe what should be done to him. I dont even watch it now instead i go to olbermann watch. He is the "scum of the earth" as mark levin says. I assume most people here would agree with me. This country has gone more to the left than I ever could have imagined even after being around spanish moonbats for so long. To see this idiot going out every night spewing this nonsense and getting paid to do it tells me something. He does have a contract but they cant keep him on much longer. Also Im not a huge supporter of Mccain but we all must vote against Obama.

444 Viking6  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:12:37pm

re: #388 mikalm
Yep, I was a deputy sheriff from 74 to 75 and got to meet them all, ted bundy, claudine longet, spider sabich et al

445 The Other Les  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:12:38pm

re: #435 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I'm sure it's related to the radiation of infrared from super-heated Earth that must be causing this...

/moonbaticus ignoramus

We're also emitting EM radiation at 50 and 60 Hertz from alternating current power lines.

446 Attaboid  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:12:39pm

re: #414 The Other Les

Desktop background for sure.

447 realwest  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:12:47pm

re: #418 christheprofessor Well I don't know how "big" Fleet Week will be this year in NYC, since the Intrepid isn't there now and I suspect some of our allies are sufficiently discombobulated by Obama's get out of Iraq now ("Hello, this is President Obama calling, we'd like to sign a treaty with you to guarantee your safety in case of a military attack on you. Hello? Hello? Damn, third one today!") that they may not send many ships at all this year. Hell, most of our allies don't have many ships to send!

448 MandyManners  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:12:54pm

re: #424 Syrah

It could be a lot of fun.

Just be prepared for things to get bad.

I would argue against the wearing of the black though. When the cops have their fill and start breaking heads, you don't want them confusing you for one the anarchist.

That'll really piss off the Lodo folks.

449 cookielady  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:13:03pm

re: #409 ratherdashing

From the AP story:

"I know Hillary Clinton, and the last thing in the world she'd ever want is to wish misfortune on anybody. She and Barack are friends," Durbin said. "It was ... a careless remark and we'll leave it at that."


Dick Durbin still doesn't understand reality.

The majority of Dems don't understand reality. They think it's a TV show. So, I say, let's vote 'em off!

450 Dr. Shalit  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:13:17pm

re: #438 Dr. Shalit

Reply to Self -

"Oh Loosie!"

-S-

451 mikeymom  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:13:17pm

re: #440 livefreeor die

thats more like boulder and the rainbow people--denver-not so much-

452 beachkatie  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:13:21pm

re: #434 MandyMannersMandy been here all day, for real!

453 The Other Les  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:13:47pm

re: #444 Viking6

Wow.

454 wolfie  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:13:49pm

re: #423 The Other Les

I would vote for her.

So would I.
It's amazing, though. She's a tough broad and could have been an American Thatcher. It might have happened.
But she turned to the Dark Side.

455 JeremyR  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:14:23pm

re: #387 savage_nation

Well, there is the Brooklyn Navy Yard. Right across the water from Manhattan

When he posted it, I thought of Manhattan Kansas where a hooker would starve because of all the college girls who give free samples.

"have you had this particular strain of STD?"

Eeeeewwww!

456 maddogg  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:14:28pm

re: #326 MandyManners

What's Occam's favorite after-shave?

*snicker*

*whack*

457 mikalm  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:14:33pm

re: #436 livefreeor die

Did someone mention unicorns?

458 jaunte  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:14:42pm

re: #443 eoin

Hard to believe he gets $4 million a year for that kind of writing.

459 legion  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:14:53pm

re: #425 Dr. Shalit

savage -

I voted for GORE in 2000 due to JOE. As for honesty, even if you disagree with him (and I DO on lots of stuff) - JOE is THE REAL DEAL!

-S-

NOOOOO- shame on you- you don't vote for VP! Now, if you voted for Joe as I did when he went Independent for Senator because the other Demorat candidate was worse- okay- but shudder to think if Global LIE warming nutcase gore was prex- arrgghhh.

460 Mich-again  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:14:57pm

re: #437 mikeymom

also-denver gets awful hot in august--black would not be a good clothing choice--i will offer toput up any lizards--i live 40 min no of denver--lol--could be a fun par-tay--BYOB

I once considered a job being the caretaker of a mountain resort during the winter months when the roads were impassible but my wife thought it was a bad idea.

/The Shining

461 jamgarr  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:15:03pm

re: #444 Viking6

claudine longet

RRRaaaaarrrrrrr! (unless you're Spider Sabich)

462 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:15:42pm
463 Grammy Cracker  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:15:42pm

re: #419 Mich-again

Thanks.. That picture is so optimistic. I love it.

*7* does that every year....Congrats to you and your boy on the honor! I'll be watching for the spot....

464 wolfie  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:15:48pm

re: #429 legion

She was President of her Republican Club in College! Her Daddy was a super Republican- (her mommy was a commie).

I knew about her dad and about her, but I did not know that her mother was a lefty. That's very interesting.

465 Mich-again  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:15:59pm

re: #443 eoin

Welcome back!

466 MandyManners  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:16:01pm

re: #456 maddogg

*whack*

I LOVE IT!

467 realwest  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:16:18pm

re: #441 Syrah Hi Syrah - wait a minute - if moonbats frequent Starbucks the most, just what is this "work" you're talking about them having to buy gasoline to get to work on?!

468 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:16:29pm
469 mikeymom  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:16:45pm

re: #460 Mich-again

hubby and i spent an anniversary at the stanley in estes where the tv movie was filmed--i'm still alive

470 Dr. Shalit  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:16:53pm

re: #457 mikalm

"mik" -

Right Now - I'm with Charlie - NYTOL!

-S-

471 realwest  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:17:20pm

re: #406 Dr. Shalit 8 years of Hillary. Sorry to have to say that, but I think 8 years of Obama with a Dem Congress could make structural changes in the US that would be hard as hell for ANYONE to change.

472 edr  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:17:56pm

Hmmmm.

"Keith Obermann’s rant: “You actually used THOSE WORDS in this America, Senator?! You cannot SAY THIS!”"

Funny thing. Liberals talk of Bush being assassinated all the time. Especially on liberal talk radio and websites.

473 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:18:08pm
474 mikalm  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:18:13pm

re: #444 Viking6

You must have many interesting tales. Ever thought about writing a book? There's definitely a market for dark-side-of-celebrity-town stuff like that.

475 Viking6  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:18:43pm

re: #461 jamgarr
unfortuantely he had a small hole problem in Claudine's bedroom.

476 BingoBunny  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:18:46pm

This shows a lot about Dems.. and Clintons.. and how very dangerous they both are for the world.

1. if june is a month that some crazy does try to kill Obama.. the press will pull her statements out and CLAIM she knew it was going to happen..
2. if Hillary was on Obama's ticket.. her war room would plan for the possibility she could be in office 10 years.. if something untoward happened to Him, on the right day.
3. there was a story that she wanted him to publicly offer her the VP slot.. and then she would publicly say no.. but Obama wasn't having any of it.. because they suspect ..think .. she means to say yes..
4. when are the super delegates going to end this farce?
5. are the super delegates a farce also?

477 Mich-again  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:19:07pm

re: #463 Grammy Cracker

*7* does that every year....Congrats to you and your boy on the honor! I'll be watching for the spot....

Funny thing is our 10 YO daughter is on a Channel 4 commercial too. If you have watched WDIV the past month or so, I'm sure you've seen it. Ha!

478 Spiny Norman  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:19:14pm

re: #443 eoin

I just got back from 6 years in Spain and came back to see and old espn reporter talking about Bush and Cheney. I thought it was some kind of comedy show but quickly realized that he was trying to be serious about what he was saying. I cannot believe he has a job at all for any cable news network. Words cannot describe what should be done to him. I dont even watch it now instead i go to olbermann watch. He is the "scum of the earth" as mark levin says. I assume most people here would agree with me...

Ted Rall is scum of the earth, Olberdouche merely puts the "barking" in Barking Moonbat.

479 maddogg  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:19:17pm

re: #471 realwest

It took Jimmah only 4 years to put republicans back in control. The country had had enough of mealy mouth Sissy's running the show.

480 livefreeor die  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:19:27pm

re: #472 edr

Hmmmm.

"Keith Obermann’s rant: “You actually used THOSE WORDS in this America, Senator?! You cannot SAY THIS!”"

Funny thing. Liberals talk of Bush being assassinated all the time. Especially on liberal talk radio and websites.

But that's allowed under the Articles of the Alliance of Moonbats

481 jaunte  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:21:01pm

re: #478 Spiny Norman

The scum tent is big and wide.

482 maddogg  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:21:28pm

Whats funny is that the only news outlet where Hillary is treated like a human being anymore is Foxnews.

483 Spiny Norman  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:21:32pm

re: #472 edr

Hmmmm.

"Keith Obermann’s rant: “You actually used THOSE WORDS in this America, Senator?! You cannot SAY THIS!”"

Funny thing. Liberals talk of Bush being assassinated all the time. Especially on liberal talk radio and websites.

It probably wouldn't take very long to find any number of Olby quotes to that effect.

484 Viking6  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:21:39pm

re: #474 mikalm

Yes, I was a cop in Aurora Colorado for a number of years as well and there are some real interesting things that happened there. Live in Vegas now after LA, which was pretty interesting did a lot of work with various LAPD / LASO units. Also have some interesting experiences with the USSS

485 victor_yugo  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:21:41pm

Wow, Hill sure pissed off Olbermann.

That idiot depends on the First Amendment for his job, but he'll scream to deny those selfsame rights to Hillary and the rest of the world.

I'd vote for her, just for the chance to watch Olbie's head explode.

486 Killian Bundy  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:21:43pm

1200

/two clicks left

487 cookielady  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:21:55pm

re: #480 livefreeor die

But that's allowed under the Articles of the Alliance of Moonbats

This is also called The Code of the Brethren, and it isn't so much actual rules as it is a guideline...

488 MandyManners  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:22:16pm

re: #481 jaunte

The scum tent is big and wide.

How big is it compared to the BHO Big Bus?

489 Racer X  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:22:31pm

re: #472 edr

Funny thing. Liberals talk of Bush being assassinated all the time. Especially on liberal talk radio and websites.

If Bush was black, liberals would not dare to......oh never mind.

490 Syrah  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:22:45pm

re: #467 realwest

Hi Syrah - wait a minute - if moonbats frequent Starbucks the most, just what is this "work" you're talking about them having to buy gasoline to get to work on?!

Moonbats come in gradations. Some still live in mom's basement and steal money from her purse to buy over their priced coffee. Some work at Starbucks. Some work at better jobs.

All of them will completely freak when they are forced to choose between buying their overpriced coffee or driving their cars.

491 livefreeor die  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:23:06pm

So how long before Hillary accuses Olberman of sexism?

492 jaunte  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:23:37pm

re: #488 MandyManners

The O'Bus fits inside with room for a few cities left over!

493 MandyManners  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:23:54pm

re: #491 livefreeor die

So how long before Hillary accuses Olberman of sexism?

Good question.

494 Mich-again  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:23:55pm

re: #491 livefreeor die

So how long before Hillary accuses Olberman of sexism?

How long till an Olberman - Ferraro rantfest?

495 Spiny Norman  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:24:37pm

re: #481 jaunte

The scum tent is big and wide.

It is indeed.

:^þ

496 MandyManners  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:24:40pm

re: #492 jaunte

The O'Bus fits inside with room for a few cities left over!


Where is my cave?

497 maddogg  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:24:53pm

Olberman is asexual, like an amoeba.

498 livefreeor die  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:25:03pm

re: #493 MandyManners

Good question.

Well, her war machine will be up all night trying to spin this so I'll say 9 hours-early press conference. Any other guesses?

499 Viking6  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:25:07pm

re: #489 Racer X

Made a movie about it too as I recall.
/nothing to see here folks, move it along

500 tokyobk  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:25:15pm

re: #489 Racer X

If Bush was black, liberals would not dare to......oh never mind.


He was the black sheep of his family for most of his life...

501 Mich-again  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:25:26pm

The General Election belongs to the candidate closest to the center. Hello President McCain.

502 Spiny Norman  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:25:28pm

re: #486 Killian Bundy

1200

/two clicks left

?

503 realwest  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:26:07pm

re: #479 maddogg This is true. But Jimmy Carter wasn't possibly a Muslim, didn't HATE American or was married to a woman who is ashamed to be abroad and have to admit she's from America, wasn't great long time friends with the Racist Rev ( Wright, not Sharpton), didn't have members of the NOI as bodyguards, didn't "hang" with members of the Weather Underground who STILL wish they had set off more bombs and wasn't a socialist.
And most importantly of all, Jimmy couldn't cut off legitimate debate and questions by crying or implying racism was behind the debate or questions and get away with it. And, iirc, he didn't have a Dem Senate AND a Dem House of Representatives to work with him.

504 livefreeor die  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:26:40pm

re: #494 Mich-again

How long till an Olberman - Ferraro rantfest?

Now that would be Pay-Per-View worthy!

505 MandyManners  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:27:12pm

re: #498 livefreeor die

Well, her war machine will be up all night trying to spin this so I'll say 9 hours-early press conference. Any other guesses?

None.

506 Alberta Oil Peon  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:27:15pm

re: #271 savage_nation

They are useful when you run up into Canada, keeps you from dying in a moose/semi accident.

The Aussies put similar bars on the front of vehicles used in the Outback, and they call them 'roo bars.

I wonder of there's market for moonbat deflectors? Have welder, will travel.

507 Viking6  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:27:24pm

re: #502 Spiny Norman

It sounds like windage to me

508 Spiny Norman  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:27:32pm

re: #499 Viking6

Made a movie about it too as I recall.
/nothing to see here folks, move it along

Despite critical praise, it was, like all cinematic Bush-bashing, box-office poison.

509 tokyobk  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:27:47pm

re: #503 realwest

This is true. But Jimmy Carter wasn't possibly a Muslim, didn't HATE American or was married to a woman who is ashamed to be abroad...blockquote>


Is their any evidence that Michelle O is ashemed of being a broad? I thought she is quite feminist.

510 Mich-again  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:27:49pm

re: #504 livefreeor die

Now that would be Pay-Per-View worthy!

The Bill O'Reilly show would most likely be the venue.

511 Yankee Division Son  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:27:56pm

re: #501 Mich-again

The General Election belongs to the candidate closest to the center. Hello President McCain.

Bingo. Also makes me wonder who the VP will be..

512 Killian Bundy  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:28:00pm

re: #502 Spiny Norman

?

/what the Clintons discuss in private

513 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:28:01pm
514 realwest  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:28:15pm

re: #491 livefreeor die
I wish she would - LOUD and CLEAR.

515 eoin  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:28:35pm

458 jaunte: I didnt know he got that much money. If that is the case I could write a book about how awful america is and get a few million myself after reading and listening to many american newcasters and writers. He also says that this is a facist country. He would be locked in a cell like the shiites were under saddam being tortured everyday or being held in the middle of a football field with his wrists broken. I know this is of topic but this guy really doesnt deserve to be making money for what he does. Im so glad that some people started olbermannwach to record and document his lies. And he really just makes things up as he goes along.

516 cookielady  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:28:40pm

Must sleep. G'night, o lizardoid army. Keep your frills up.

517 maddogg  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:28:40pm

re: #503 realwest

So basically, in 4 years either Obama will have completely destroyed the Democratic party, or the United States, or both.

518 Macker  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:28:40pm

re: #66 joecitizen

and then he promptly wet shit himself.

There, fixed that for ya!

519 livefreeor die  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:28:48pm

re: #514 realwest

I wish she would - LOUD and CLEAR.

I'm sure you'll get your wish tomorrow!

520 Spiny Norman  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:28:49pm

re: #507 Viking6

It sounds like windage to me

That was my first thought, too.

521 JeremyR  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:29:02pm

re: #468 savage_nation

Its the imports. Most of the kids who attend are from elsewhere. Of course, they are straight laced compared to KU in Lawrence. Many guys I know go to L awrence because of the F-M ratio.

522 gop_patriot  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:29:08pm
Keith Obermann’s rant: “You actually used THOSE WORDS in this America, Senator?! You cannot SAY THIS!”

Yes! She! Can!
Ha.

Actually, in the United States of America, Keith, we have this little thing called freedom of speech. She absolutely can say this- if what she said was an implied threat, the law will take care of it. That's what the law is for. Someone's freedom to speak will certainly not be decided by a sportscaster-turned-political hack.

Now, whether or not she should have said it is another issue completely.

523 Mich-again  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:29:34pm

re: #511 Yankee Division Son

Bingo. Also makes me wonder who the VP will be..

I think he will pick another centrist, just to seal the deal. Olympia Snowe?

524 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:30:20pm
525 hermeneutics  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:30:23pm

re: #523 Mich-again

I hope he avoids a centrist and concentrates on picking the president for 2012.

526 victor_yugo  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:31:32pm

Keith Olbermann's posting on dKos

and now i must lather up and remove such filth from my psyche

527 jaunte  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:31:40pm

re: #513 savage_nation

Look what I unearthed. I like this song!

Good find. There's a memory attack for sure.

528 maddogg  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:31:56pm

I voted for Mitt in the primarys, but I don't think he has a chance.

529 Viking6  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:32:38pm

re: #520 Spiny Norman

Guess only us gun clinging , bible hugging xenophobes would know that

530 hermeneutics  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:32:42pm

re: #528 maddogg

Is there any chance that Mitt may run for Kennedy's seat when he has to vacate it? When is Kennedy up for re-election?

531 least  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:32:58pm

Welcome to Gotcha world, Senator!
heh

532 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:33:22pm
533 Grammy Cracker  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:33:24pm

re: #477 Mich-again

Funny thing is our 10 YO daughter is on a Channel 4 commercial too. If you have watched WDIV the past month or so, I'm sure you've seen it. Ha!

Kewl! I'm sure you're a proud pappa!

534 Yankee Division Son  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:33:35pm

re: #523 Mich-again

I think he will pick another centrist, just to seal the deal. Olympia Snowe?

I was thinking Joe Lieberman.. although technically I'd prefer Mitt, Joe has the potential to take the wind out of the Dem nominee's sails big time..

535 Mich-again  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:33:42pm

re: #526 victor_yugo

You actually invoked the spectre of an inspirational leader, at the seeming moment of triumph, for himself and a battered nation yearning to breathe free, silenced forever.

What a crock of shit.

536 realwest  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:34:08pm

re: #517 maddogg No - well maybe the Democratic Party, but I don't think he can destroy the United States (although I honestly do believe he'd enable others to try) but he would so weaken our military, it'd take 15 or more years to re-build it; he screw up the tax code (and just maybe take some advice from Maxine - not the cartoon funny one, the Congresswoman) and perhaps permanently cripple health care in this country and defintely totally and completely fuck up our ecomony beyond all recognition.
I said that I thought he would bring about structural changes in the US and I meant it.

537 JeremyR  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:34:08pm

re: #506 Alberta Oil Peon

The Aussies put similar bars on the front of vehicles used in the Outback, and they call them 'roo bars.

I wonder of there's market for moonbat deflectors? Have welder, will travel.

Had a guy some years back who put a reinforced grill guard on his truck after creaming a few deer. The center was 1/4 steel plate torched to read Bambi Buster. Had the local PETA bats up in arms.

538 Mich-again  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:34:45pm

re: #533 Grammy Cracker

Kewl! I'm sure you're a proud pappa!

Oh you know it. A proud lizard pappa!

539 hermeneutics  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:34:52pm

re: #534 Yankee Division Son

And Lieberman on the ticket might be the salve that allows Jewish voters to become Republican.

540 JeremyR  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:34:57pm

re: #524 savage_nation

I always enjoy the times they come up to be munched on by the power of Red!

Which ones, The Mildcats or the Chicken Hawks?

541 LeePro  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:35:17pm

re: #513 savage_nation

Look what I unearthed. I like this song!

OMG! The memories! ! !

542 tokyobk  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:35:30pm

re: #535 Mich-again

What a crock of shit.

Clinton did say soemthing at the very least stupid, but Olberwhatever is a crock of sacntimony flavored BS.

543 jaunte  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:36:26pm

re: #532 savage_nation

According to the wikipedia entry:
"The Seekers reunited again for the closing ceremony of the Sydney 2000 Paralympic Games on 29 October 2000, with a performance of "The Carnival Is Over". Judith Durham had suffered a broken hip and performed at the Paralympics in a wheelchair."
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

544 JeremyR  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:36:27pm

re: #529 Viking6

Guess only us gun clinging , bible hugging xenophobes would know that

God as my witnesws, I wanna shoot the next person who accuses me of clinging to guns and religion.

545 Mich-again  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:36:53pm

re: #542 tokyobk

Clinton did say soemthing at the very least stupid, but Olberwhatever is a crock of sacntimony flavored BS.

I think he's gunning for a job in the Obama Administration. Press Secretary.

546 wolfie  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:36:54pm

re: #523 Mich-again

I think he will pick another centrist, just to seal the deal. Olympia Snowe?

Hmmmm. Hadn't even thought of her. Could be a possibility.
I think he needs someone w/ more "blue-collar" appeal, preferrably a Catholic.

547 JeremyR  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:37:03pm

re: #544 JeremyR

God as my witnesws, I wanna shoot the next person who accuses me of clinging to guns and religion.

pimf/FF witness

548 Yankee Division Son  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:37:04pm

re: #530 hermeneutics

Is there any chance that Mitt may run for Kennedy's seat when he has to vacate it? When is Kennedy up for re-election?

If Kennedy vacates the seat, mass law is there must be a special election to fill the seat, so Mitt could run if he wants. Kennedy has already stated he wants his wife to succeed him.

549 jaunte  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:37:39pm

re: #536 realwest

He has been talking about "perfecting" the country.
That statement alone should disqualify him from office.

550 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:37:54pm
551 Viking6  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:38:03pm

re: #544 JeremyR

ROFLMAO

/just 1 click right

552 Opilio  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:39:13pm

ANWR facts:

• Created in 1960, expanded in 1980 and 1983 to 19.7 million acres.
• 9.2 million acres classified as a refuge, no development
• 8 million acres classified as wilderness, no development
• 1.5 million acres of Arctic Coastal Plain known as the 10-02 area - specifically set aside by Congress in 1980 for oil and gas exploration.
• Congress further limited any future development footprint size within the 10-02 area to 2000 acres.

So there you go. Several billion barrels of recoverable crude oil, made unavailable because a majority in Congress fears some hypothetical environmental devastation which might be wrought on 2000 acres in extreme NE Alaska. Or maybe they fear the environmental lobby. Yeah, more likely the latter.

553 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:39:20pm

re: #406 Dr. Shalit

OK Everyone -

Should it happen, 4 years of the O'Bama or 8 years of Hillary. I choose 4. With Bobby Jindal after that.

-S-

4 years of he-whose-middle-name-must-not-be-mentioned, and Ahamnedijad will be the next Caliph.

Just TOO DANGEROUS. Hildemort is bad enough, but she doesn't want to destroy the US as it would destroy her power.

554 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:39:43pm
555 Mich-again  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:39:45pm

Been a long day. Out!

556 realwest  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:40:23pm

re: #523 Mich-again Hey Mich! I don't really think of Snowe as Centrist - although I suppose if someone could call McCain Centrist, then she'd qualify. But I do think he needs to pick someone who COULD be President if anything should happen to him health wise, such that he could no longer carry out the duties of POTUS. And I like the idea of picking a woman, but don't have any real suggestions on that score.
Otherwise, I'd have to go with the govenor of Florida or maybe Romney - but picking Romney might piss off a good chunk of the Republican base - the religious right who aren't happy with what happend to Hagee to begin with and weren't fond of Romney in the primaries because of his being a Mormon.
Dem's have major problems with their pick for POTUS, we have problems with our pick for VP.

557 hermeneutics  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:41:33pm

re: #552 Opilio

I drove up toward Anwar a couple years ago ... just to see it. It was NOT beautiful though it was pristine. Alaska is a big place. Anwar can be carefully developed without harming much of anything.

558 wolfie  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:41:37pm

re: #534 Yankee Division Son

I was thinking Joe Lieberman.. although technically I'd prefer Mitt, Joe has the potential to take the wind out of the Dem nominee's sails big time..

He can't do that unless Joe becomes a Republican fast.....like yesterday.
It would alienate too many people in the GOP (whether RINOs or conservatives) and he needs their money & support.

559 realwest  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:41:43pm

re: #526 victor_yugo Quick, someone send Hillary an e-mail (and O'Reilly too, while you're at it!)!

560 Killian Bundy  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:41:58pm

Group wants Wi-Fi banned from public buildings

A group in Santa Fe says the city is discriminating against them because they say that they're allergic to the wireless Internet signal. And now they want Wi-Fi banned from public buildings.

Arthur Firstenberg says he is highly sensitive to certain types of electric fields, including wireless Internet and cell phones.

/apparently, they're not wearing their AFDBs

561 maddogg  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:42:12pm

re: #530 hermeneutics

I don't have the slightest idea. I don't keep up with Mass. politics.

562 sngnsgt  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:42:30pm

OT I'll see this when I believe it: Crooks and Liars

563 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:43:06pm
564 LeePro  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:43:51pm

re: #548 Yankee Division Son

If Kennedy vacates the seat, mass law is there must be a special election to fill the seat, so Mitt could run if he wants. Kennedy has already stated he wants his wife to succeed him.

...and the Mass. electorate has been duly instructed.

565 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:43:53pm

re: #560 Killian Bundy

Group wants Wi-Fi banned from public buildings

/apparently, they're not wearing their AFDBs

They'll also have to ban cordless phones and microwave ovens.

I suggest moving into a Faraday cage and staying there.

566 JeremyR  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:44:06pm

re: #550 savage_nation

the chicken hawks of course!

I was not the favorite person in my house the last time USC played Nebraska when I told everyone the Trojans would eat Nebraska alive. I was right!

The history between the Cats and the Huskers has been a long one. I know many folks who revel at the get together for a tail gate party that ROCKS. The fans are one heck of a crowd especially as compared to Colorado who has the WORST fans in the big twelve. Cats/Huskers off field conduct has been great.
Several years back, some coworkers went to Mizzu for a cats game, and after checking their watches, determined they could catch the Huskers in Lawrence.
So there they sat, four guys in powercat purple, right behind the hawks bench cheering as loud as possible for the Huskers. They even made the night beat news.

567 realwest  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:44:21pm

re: #538 Mich-again
Hey Mich! What's the commercial for - I mean what product or service?

568 maddogg  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:44:29pm

re: #536 realwest

I completely agree on every count. He is completely unacceptable. His administration could ignite a 2nd civil war, and thats a fact.

569 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:45:09pm
570 JeremyR  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:45:49pm

re: #551 Viking6

Two clicks with my scope, but the next cheap shot will be dead on.

571 Opilio  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:45:58pm

re: #503 realwest

This is true. But Jimmy Carter wasn't possibly a Muslim, didn't HATE American or was married to a woman who is ashamed to be abroad and...

Michelle Obama is ashamed to be a broad?

/sorry, looking for levity.

572 Spiny Norman  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:46:03pm

...and now for something completely different:

I'm all for having a little phun with photoshop, but this is just wrong:

Cackle.

/skeered

573 jaunte  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:46:30pm

re: #572 Spiny Norman

AAAAAIIIIEEEEE!

574 wolfie  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:47:00pm

re: #539 hermeneutics

And Lieberman on the ticket might be the salve that allows Jewish voters to become Republican.

It might indeed turn a lot of Jewish votes.
But it will do nothing to shore up conservative support.
Conservatives already think McCain is too liberal, yet Lieberman is much farther to the left on almost all domestic issues.
I admire Lieberman and consider him one of the few genuinely decent politicos around, but...............I think he'd be a lousy choice.

(Secretary of State, yes!)

575 realwest  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:47:04pm

re: #553 Kosh's Shadow
YUP!

576 Yankee Division Son  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:47:44pm

re: #558 wolfie

He can't do that unless Joe becomes a Republican fast.....like yesterday.
It would alienate too many people in the GOP (whether RINOs or conservatives) and he needs their money & support.

I realize it may be a risky choice, but my thinking is who are they gonna vote for/support instead? Obama? Not bloody likely..

When I watched the Dem debates for the 04 elections, Joe was the only one talking common sense. I know he's socially liberal, (groan) but he's strong on national defense. He was the only one on the Dem side who I thought I could almost.. maybe.,. picture myself voting for.

Then the Dems ran him out of town on a rail..

577 JeremyR  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:49:00pm

re: #569 savage_nation

Sounds like some good lads

The standard bet is the parking pass for the next years game. loser hosts the tail gate party. Since eveyonr has season tickets, and there are roughly the same number from both camps, they play a poker tourney to determine which ten or so go into the game and who sits in the parking lot keeping the grill going.

578 maddogg  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:49:13pm

McCain/Miller in 08, or better Miller/McCain.

579 Little Boomer  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:49:40pm

re: #564 LeePro

...and the Mass. electorate has been duly instructed.


VP Romney will be too occupied...

580 Spiny Norman  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:50:29pm

re: #574 wolfie

I'd rather Lieberman stay in the Senate and remain a constant thorn in the Democrat's side... and a reminder of embarassing failure.

581 hermeneutics  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:50:41pm

re: #578 maddogg

Miller?

582 Yankee Division Son  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:50:46pm

re: #564 LeePro

...and the Mass. electorate has been duly instructed.

I know I have, heard a report today the Governor's office budget has increased 75% since Duval "the Cadillac of governors" Patrick took office after Mitt.

583 wolfie  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:51:02pm

re: #572 Spiny Norman

...and now for something completely different:

I'm all for having a little phun with photoshop, but this is just wrong:

Cackle.

/skeered

:O Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawk !

584 maddogg  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:51:04pm

re: #581 hermeneutics

Miller?

Zell

585 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:51:46pm
586 eoin  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:52:09pm

Mich-again #465 Thanks a lot man. Its great to be back in the states. Im back in NY on the NY MASS CONN border. I havent been reading comments on LGF for some time now but I do know that the people here think KO is a disgraceful asshole. HIs "shut the hell up" bush rant said it all. and if you listen to people who know him they say that it is all an act. He writes things then sends them to the Kos kids to get approval before going on the air. All he wants is to beat Bill O in ratings. I have been looking on some sites and its looks like Bill O does him every night 2 to 1. Anyone hate KO as much as I do?

587 Spiny Norman  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:52:47pm

McCain picking a Democrat for Veep who's more conservative than he is... by a wide margin.

Now that's funny.

588 Racer X  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:52:58pm

re: #572 Spiny Norman

...and now for something completely different:

I'm all for having a little phun with photoshop, but this is just wrong:

Cackle.

/skeered

ROFLMAO!

589 maddogg  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:53:22pm

re: #586 eoin

We all do.

590 AmericanDefender  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:53:33pm

Thank you Hillary..Today you just might have gotten the message through to your government educated democrats the truth the rest of us have know all along, that you and your husband are evil and should never hold an elected office again. Thank you.

591 JeremyR  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:53:53pm

re: #585 savage_nation

I've been told there is a 3 to 5 year waiting list for Cornhusker season tickets. And my wife knows an elderly couple that have been season ticket holders for 55 years!

Those things pass down from generation to generation.

Jerry and Glenita have held season tickets and parking passes since 1955 when they moved to Manhattan. Since Jerry is gone, the tickets have now passed to his son and DiL.

592 Viking6  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:54:00pm

re: #570 JeremyR

Redfield/Leatherwood 3-9x Automatic Ranging Telescope (ART)?

593 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:54:06pm
594 realwest  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:54:20pm

re: #578 maddogg Oh good Lord, I really have lost my memory - who is Miller?!

595 maddogg  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:54:24pm

re: #590 AmericanDefender

Nice avatar:)

596 Grammy Cracker  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:54:25pm

re: #567 realwest

Hey Mich! What's the commercial for - I mean what product or service?

I think he went night-night...

The spot with his son is for Metro Detroit area graduating seniors with high academic achievement. Not sure what his daughter was featured for.

597 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:54:32pm
598 Killian Bundy  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:55:43pm

re: #582 Yankee Division Son

I know I have, heard a report today the Governor's office budget has increased 75% since Duval "the Cadillac of governors" Patrick took office after Mitt.

Let's not forget the Big Dig. Built exclusively with inferior Mafia concrete at twice the price. Caution, LLL government work zone.

/won't last 50 years before there's a major tunnel collapse or they'll have to close it

599 maddogg  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:55:55pm

re: #594 realwest

Zell Miller, Democrat, but a true conservative. I've read his book, and I recommend it!

600 realwest  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:56:57pm

re: #584 maddogg Ah, I love Zell Miller but I think he's older than McCain.
Sorry, but Zell has said "No Mas" to politics too. Republicans need someone younger than McCain and capable of running the country. To me that means a govenor or SOMEONE with administrative experience and younger than McCain.

601 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:56:58pm
602 Grammy Cracker  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:57:05pm

It seems the 'puter is 'bout to crash....it's soooooooo slooooooow tonight. Best shut it down and head off to bed anyway, since it's now- YIKES - 1:00 AM here!

G'night Lizards.... BBL

603 wolfie  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:57:10pm

re: #576 Yankee Division Son

Yeah. Conservatives have no where else to go. Most of them will come out to vote against Obama.
But will they donate money? Will they volunteer?

Do you realize how much money Obama has and how many enthusiastic supporters?

604 maddogg  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:57:28pm

re: #598 Killian Bundy

They have already had to make major repairs, I hear.

605 maddogg  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:58:46pm

re: #600 realwest

I wonder if General Patreus has any plans after the military.

606 wolfie  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:58:50pm

re: #580 Spiny Norman

I'd rather Lieberman stay in the Senate and remain a constant thorn in the Democrat's side... and a reminder of embarassing failure.

You've got a point there!
God knows they need a thorn....at least.

607 slokat  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:59:34pm

re: #568 maddogg

personally he's a fizzle; no there, there won't do much if he had the chance.

A lot of light, no heat.

608 hermeneutics  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:59:35pm

How old is Patreus?

609 realwest  Fri, May 23, 2008 9:59:50pm

re: #596 Grammy Cracker Hey Thanks Grammy! His son AND his daughter doing TV commercials? Wow, he must be really proud!

610 maddogg  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:01:28pm

re: #607 slokat

personally he's a fizzle; no there, there won't do much if he had the chance.

A lot of light, no heat.

Mebbe not, but that Hell's spawn of a wife of his might.

611 wolfie  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:01:59pm

re: #584 maddogg

Zell

That one could work. He's got "blue-collar" appeal and is pro-life.
Downright bitter and clingy.

612 JeremyR  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:02:34pm

re: #592 Viking6

Redfield/Leatherwood 3-9x Automatic Ranging Telescope (ART)?

BSA 4.5-16X With iluminated reticle. Mildot ranging. They did not have the 4.5X 24 in stock so I settled for less. It sits on my Springfield M1A.
Got it sighted in Thursday. now I need to sight in my ATN MK-390 for my carbon 15.

Gunnuts are US

613 slokat  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:03:03pm

re: #608 hermeneutics

How old is Patreus?

wiki says: (born November 7, 1952)

614 hermeneutics  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:03:35pm

Perhaps McCain had the three veep contenders to his ranch just to get it over with and to show Repubs that he seriously considered them as first round picks.

And then choose someone else.

Its fun handicapping veep picks.

615 JeremyR  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:03:43pm

re: #597 savage_nation

Who are they?

My former neighbors, no last name here. They had a plumbing business.

616 maddogg  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:04:04pm

re: #608 hermeneutics


He's 55 or 56.

617 wolfie  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:04:14pm

re: #600 realwest

Ah, I love Zell Miller but I think he's older than McCain.
Sorry, but Zell has said "No Mas" to politics too. Republicans need someone younger than McCain and capable of running the country. To me that means a govenor or SOMEONE with administrative experience and younger than McCain.

Yep. I was just checking on his age. Too old.
Zell sure would have raked in the Reagan Democrats, though.

618 hermeneutics  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:04:18pm

re: #613 slokat

I'm doing the math ... he's 55. Good age. In fact, perfect age for 2012. Hmmmm.

619 NY Nana  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:04:55pm

re: #572 Spiny Norman

Brilliant! But now I am afraid to go to sleep...nightmares! ;)

620 slokat  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:06:11pm

re: #614 hermeneutics

Its fun handicapping veep picks.

Maybe they'd run better if we didn't handicap them so much?

/

621 JeremyR  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:06:29pm

re: #618 hermeneutics

I'm doing the math ... he's 55. Good age. In fact, perfect age for 2012. Hmmmm.

Thats what we need since McCain most likely will be a one termer.

622 Yankee Division Son  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:07:04pm

re: #603 wolfie

Yeah. Conservatives have no where else to go. Most of them will come out to vote against Obama.
But will they donate money? Will they volunteer?

Do you realize how much money Obama has and how many enthusiastic supporters?

I suppose the equation is, will the loss of some percentage of conservative donations and/or volunteers outweigh the gain of independents who turn out to vote.

623 wolfie  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:07:30pm

re: #614 hermeneutics

Yes it is fun!
I'm still calling Bob Casey for Obama's VP.

624 Opilio  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:07:32pm

re: #557 hermeneutics

I drove up toward Anwar a couple years ago ... just to see it. It was NOT beautiful though it was pristine. Alaska is a big place. Anwar can be carefully developed without harming much of anything.

I don't think people realize that the southern 92% of ANWR is completely off-limits to all development of any kind. This is about 17 million acres -- bigger than West Virginia -- bigger than Massachusetts, Vermont, and New Hampshire combined.

The 10-02 area borders the Arctic Ocean and is a barren coastal plain about the size of Delaware, frozen 9-10 months per year. It's an area similar to Prudhoe Bay, 100 miles to the west, where 25% of U.S. oil production has been taking place for 30 years, with no ill effects on the environment.

There is no rational argument against oil exploration in the 10-02 area of ANWR. It's 1000% politics.

625 hermeneutics  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:08:18pm

Traditional wisdom is that McCain has to pick someone younger (easy to do!), Midwestern, and strong on domestic issues (to balance McCain's perceived weakness).

Forget trad wisdom ... this time. McCain is in the incredible position of winning the presidency for himself at the same time he chooses the next president. So we should be thinking of the veep as the president, no less.

Petreaus seems up to the challenge of the presidency. Did I spell his name correctly? Too many vowels.

626 maddogg  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:08:35pm

re: #621 JeremyR

Thats what we need since McCain most likely will be a one termer.

You are likely correct. Being POTUS ages a man about 5X faster than anything else, look at how they change in 4 years.

627 hermeneutics  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:08:57pm

re: #620 slokat

Did you mean to write "kneecap?"

628 slokat  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:08:59pm

Hhmmm, two white military guys.... might not be the big tent ticket that they are looking for?

/thinking out loud

629 Daryl Herbert  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:09:47pm

I think the weirdest part of his statement is "this America"

What does he think, there's some other America out there?

In some parallel America, those words would be okay?

In America-2, Keith Olbermann is president. All is right and good, because he's such a great king--err, president. Kind of like with the Superman universes, or Bearded Spock, you know what I mean?

630 maddogg  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:10:08pm

re: #625 hermeneutics

It an easy name to misspell:) Greek, I suppose.

631 Killian Bundy  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:10:38pm

re: #604 maddogg

They have already had to make major repairs, I hear.

A panel with inadequate boltage already fell and crushed a car and it's occupants. The tunnels also leak, that's hard to fix.

/the paid off city/state inspectors have blood on their hands for signing off on this construction travesty

632 LeePro  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:10:47pm

re: #621 JeremyR

Thats what we need since McCain most likely will be a one termer.

But he's still active duty military, and needs to stay right where he is!

633 Viking6  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:10:52pm

re: #612 JeremyR

Very nice, I'm a bit old school and haven't stayed up on the latest. More of a handgunner, Mod 19 6", Mod 39-2 and Mod 29 4". Use to have a really sweet Combat Commander but sold it. Pretty familar with the civilian version of the old M40 system (Remington 700 with the Renfield ART scope)

634 slokat  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:11:26pm

re: #627 hermeneutics

Did you mean to write "kneecap?"

no, but same sense

635 The Other Les  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:11:55pm

re: #628 slokat

Hhmmm, two white military guys.... might not be the big tent ticket that they are looking for?

/thinking out loud

I think you are grossly underestimating the longstanding intense rivalry between the Army and the Navy in our society.

636 hermeneutics  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:12:06pm

re: #624 Opilio

Of all the parts of Alaska to be off limits for development, Anwar is NOT it! I can see protecting the coastal areas, islands and beautiful inland mountains ... but not the frigid, dull plains of Anwar.

Its politics. You are so right. The Ds want to coerce us into tiny cars, houses and primitivism.

637 wolfie  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:12:56pm

re: #622 Yankee Division Son

I suppose the equation is, will the loss of some percentage of conservative donations and/or volunteers outweigh the gain of independents who turn out to vote.

Yeah, I fear it will.
The thing is, McCain himself appeals to independents and the fuzzy middle. That's not the demographic he needs to shore up in a fight against Obama. (Clinton would be a different story, IMO.)

638 realwest  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:12:57pm

re: #605 maddogg LOL! I don't know and appreciate where you're headed a lot.
Unfortunately, history has shown, over and over again, that except in time of "real war" (Korea, Vietnam and Iraq apparently don't count to most voters who have or had no real vested, personal interest in them) voters vote with their pocketbooks.No Lie. If McCain can get successfully tarred with the "he's with Bush" meme, then I think it's game, set and match for Obama. We could use someone who's run a financially successful State (iirc, Pataki left office as Govenor of New York with a surplus in the State Treasury and he's a conservative, and he's young enough).
But unless Obama picks Hillary as VP and she accepts it (and despite what her increasingly stupid husband has said, I don't see her wanting it at all - shit she wants to run in 2012 if she can't get it this year and will "quietly" do all she can to make sure Obama loses the Election and will screw him at every turn in the Senate, then McCain has a shot at it. But money and the enthusiasm of the worker bees in the party will be on Obama's side, so I think McCain is gonna have a really tough row to hoe.
I surely do hope Obama offers the VP to Hillary and she says "NO".

639 maddogg  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:13:00pm

re: #631 Killian Bundy

A panel with inadequate boltage already fell and crushed a car and it's occupants. The tunnels also leak, that's hard to fix.

/the paid off city/state inspectors have blood on their hands for signing off on this construction travesty

I'm an engineer, and my worst nightmare is that one of my designs might kill someone. I don't know how those people sleep at night.

640 LeePro  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:15:21pm

re: #623 wolfie

Yes it is fun!
I'm still calling Bob Casey for Obama's VP.

I could be way off, but a little voice in the back of my head says he may just pick some wimpy, milquetoast type, all the more to make Obamessiah shine. Someone who could never ever "outshine" the Chosen One.

........?

%-/

641 JeremyR  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:15:44pm

re: #626 maddogg

You are likely correct. Being POTUS ages a man about 5X faster than anything else, look at how they change in 4 years.

McCain has to be realistic and look in the mirror. He does not want his legacy to include sleeping through staff meetings and alzheimers in the oval office. He want to do more for America in four then the last handful of two termers have done in their eight. That will be quite a handful.

642 wolfie  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:15:57pm

re: #625 hermeneutics

We need Petraeus in Iraq far more than we need him here.
Besides, that ticket would be too military for the fuzzy wimp & soccer mom constituency.

643 LeePro  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:16:46pm

re: #640 LeePro

I could be way off, but a little voice in the back of my head says he may just pick some wimpy, milquetoast type, all the more to make Obamessiah shine. Someone who could never ever "outshine" the Chosen One.

........?

%-/

Talking about Who Obama would pick. McCain is smarter than that.

644 Syrah  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:17:09pm

re: #640 LeePro

I could be way off, but a little voice in the back of my head says he may just pick some wimpy, milquetoast type, all the more to make Obamessiah shine. Someone who could never ever "outshine" the Chosen One.

........?

%-/

Kucinich would fit that bill. But I Don't think that Obama would go for that much of a zero.

645 realwest  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:17:44pm

re: #607 slokat Uh, well Obama may not have much there, there, but what he has is horrible for this country. And his harridian wife as First Lady?
We're gonna be the laughingstock of the whole world who may not like us now, but fear us now.
Under Obama they ain't gonna like us any more and will fear us much less.

646 JeremyR  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:18:57pm

re: #632 LeePro

But he's still active duty military, and needs to stay right where he is!

Petraeus has some very good staff in the wings ready to take the helm. Plus, at 56 he is nearing retirement age, so going from a Regional commander to CiC in four years is a good step for him.
I suspect McCain will pick a gov for his VP, Pawelenty has been positioning himself for just that.

647 Killian Bundy  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:18:58pm

re: #639 maddogg

I'm an engineer, and my worst nightmare is that one of my designs might kill someone. I don't know how those people sleep at night.

I'm not so sure it's the design, as opposed to the corrupt union implementation. The public officials that threw money at it and looked the other way are just as guilty.

/somewhere Whitey Bulger is laughing

648 slokat  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:19:05pm

Frpm a Greek Yahoo page: Petraeus: This name is Greek, in Greek it is Petros (%u03A0%u03AD%u03C4%u03C1%u03BF%u03C2)
%u0399t comes from the word petra which means stone or rock

649 Yankee Division Son  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:19:06pm

Drudge headline -
SHOCK: CLINTON RAISES ASSASSINATION ISSUE; DEFENDS LONG-RUNNING CAMPAIGN

Hillary, meet the MSM. MSM, eat Hillary..

/channeling Danny Devito

650 Opilio  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:19:29pm

re: #621 JeremyR

Thats what we need since McCain most likely will be a one termer.

If Clinton gets skewered for mentioning an event that took place 40 years ago, does that mean alluding to McCain's mortality is also off-limits?

/what's my point? I often don't have one.

651 MandyManners  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:19:35pm
652 realwest  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:19:40pm

re: #617 wolfie IF he were say 20 years younger, I'd druther have Zell at the top of the ticket and Rudy as VP!

653 maddogg  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:19:51pm

re: #644 Syrah

Kucinich would fit that bill. But I Don't think that Obama would go for that much of a zero.

Why not? Obama is himself a zero.

654 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:20:27pm

re: #574 wolfie

That would be fun. A secretary of state who wants to worship as a Jew having to be able to do that in Saudi Arabia. The $audi princes' heads will explode

655 hermeneutics  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:20:57pm

re: #638 realwest
Someone recently wrote, "Democrats fall in love ... Republicans fall in line."

Dem enthusiasm is simply part of falling in love with their secular messiah. Without real faith, Obama is a good substitute. Of course they'll be donating and volunteering. For them Obama is religion, not politics.

Rep enthusiasm is always muted. We simply show up at the polls. We don't have to be bought, encouraged or coerced. We just fall in line. So McCain starts out with a base of reliable voters -- us.

I wish I believed that Hillary is undermining Obama so she could have the presidency in 2012, but I don't think its true -- I think she really, honestly thinks she can win it in 2008. As long as she believes this, she'll inflict damage on Obama, but I don't know how long she'll entertain this delusion.

656 wolfie  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:21:21pm

re: #640 LeePro

I could be way off, but a little voice in the back of my head says he may just pick some wimpy, milquetoast type, all the more to make Obamessiah shine. Someone who could never ever "outshine" the Chosen One.

........?

%-/

Sounds like Bob Casey to me!
(He's an empty suit compared to his father. Well, compared to anyone, I hear!)

But I think you're on to something there....re Obama.

657 JeremyR  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:21:22pm

re: #633 Viking6

Very nice, I'm a bit old school and haven't stayed up on the latest. More of a handgunner, Mod 19 6", Mod 39-2 and Mod 29 4". Use to have a really sweet Combat Commander but sold it. Pretty familar with the civilian version of the old M40 system (Remington 700 with the Renfield ART scope)

I only started using a scope two years ago. prior to that my deer rifle was a totally stock M-1917 Eddystone Remington.
When my son was out to sight his 30-06, I embarassed him by shooting 3 in a dime groups.

658 realwest  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:21:38pm

re: #623 wolfie Hey Wolfie! Glad to be able to chat with you again - it's been awhile!
Uh, who's Bob Casey?

659 LeePro  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:22:23pm

re: #642 wolfie

We need Petraeus in Iraq far more than we need him here.
Besides, that ticket would be too military for the fuzzy wimp & soccer mom constituency.

What I said!

;D

660 maddogg  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:22:37pm

re: #647 Killian Bundy

Yes, but any engineer who applies his stamp to a design should take enough responsibility to inspect his design after construction. And raise Hell if it isn't up to standard.

661 hermeneutics  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:22:40pm

re: #642 wolfie

Tell me why you like Casey so much.

662 Karridine  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:23:23pm

I just listened to Olbermann and read the (inaccurate) transcript, but what stood out was his equating 'political assassination' to Bobby Kennedy's assassination, NEVER MENTIONING the Muslim killer, Sirhan Sirhan, and lumping it in with all the others, then calling this 'America's deepest shame' as if it were something America could choose not to to or these assassinations were something Americans CHOOSE to do...

Not MY shame, Olbermann! I ain't no fortunate son, and no closet murderer, either!

/forbearance is what Keith SHOULD be exemplifying now, but he's got a spin that he can use to clobber Hillary, and he is WHALING ON HER!

663 The Other Les  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:23:35pm

re: #636 hermeneutics

Its politics. You are so right. The Ds want to coerce us into tiny cars, houses and primitivism.

POWER IS LIFE for them. They are dependent on us for their survival and well being. They need to know that they will have a full belly and a roof over their heads so they have to micromanage and oppress us so that they can feel secure in their chosen mode of existence.

They have a constant need to feel secure so they are continually imposing tasks and rituals of obedience on us in order to maintain that feeling. Which is why the false prophet Mohammed commanded his followers to pray five times a day. He need the constant reassurance that his follower would continue to obey him. The Democrats feel no less insecure. Thus their need to constantly impose their will on us.

664 wolfie  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:23:36pm

re: #644 Syrah

Kucinich would fit that bill. But I Don't think that Obama would go for that much of a zero.

No, I think he'll pick someone perceived to be to his right......but is really just an empty suit who will go with the great Obamassiah flow.

665 JeremyR  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:24:11pm

re: #650 Opilio

If Clinton gets skewered for mentioning an event that took place 40 years ago, does that mean alluding to McCain's mortality is also off-limits?

/what's my point? I often don't have one.

No, Hillary just stomped on the Camel lot leg ass sea.( or is that bridge?)

666 LeePro  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:24:32pm

re: #644 Syrah

Kucinich would fit that bill. But I Don't think that Obama would go for that much of a zero.

Agree.
I'm thinking someone like Bob Kerrey...? You know, a mouth with no brain.

667 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:24:36pm
668 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:25:07pm
669 Syrah  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:26:04pm

re: #664 wolfie

No, I think he'll pick someone perceived to be to his right......but is really just an empty suit who will go with the great Obamassiah flow.

Its difficult to not be on his right.

That leaves him a lot of Dems to choose from.

Edwards looks pretty and is about as empty as they come. What about him?

670 wolfie  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:26:23pm

re: #652 realwest

IF he were say 20 years younger, I'd druther have Zell at the top of the ticket and Rudy as VP!

That's the ticket! Where do we vote?!
If only!

671 wolfie  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:27:05pm

re: #654 Kosh's Shadow

That would be fun. A secretary of state who wants to worship as a Jew having to be able to do that in Saudi Arabia. The $audi princes' heads will explode

Bwahahahahahaaaa !

672 hermeneutics  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:27:52pm

re: #663 The Other Les

Insecure people, in theory, could want a strong national defense. Why don't liberals want this? They appease, not defend, even though appeasement is inherently unstable and insecure.

673 LeePro  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:28:18pm

re: #656 wolfie

Sounds like Bob Casey to me!
(He's an empty suit compared to his father. Well, compared to anyone, I hear!)

But I think you're on to something there....re Obama.

Also why he won't pick the Hill.

674 Killian Bundy  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:29:20pm

re: #660 maddogg

Yes, but any engineer who applies his stamp to a design should take enough responsibility to inspect his design after construction. And raise Hell if it isn't up to standard.

I won't pretend to know how you would do that.

/th Big Dig boils down to inferior concrete at twice the price, you could catch that, what if you were threatened?

675 Syrah  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:30:17pm

Now if McCain were to give me a call and ask for my advice, I would suggest Jindal.

If Obama were to give me a call and ask for my advise, I would push hard for Ayers. Just stop the pretending.

676 LeePro  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:30:34pm

re: #668 savage_nation

hi lee

Hi, savage!

677 slokat  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:30:42pm

obama will pick a catholic female hispanic lesbian single mother who is interested in tantric zen philosophy, and rescues wolves for reintroduction into wild urban settings...

/

678 realwest  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:30:56pm

re: #655 hermeneutics
So what will she do if she loses the spot for POTUS on the Dem side? Do you think she'd take VP? Sec of Health and Human Sevices; Sec of State? Or would she sit on the sidelines and do what she can to undercut Obama?
I really do want to know what you think; I think sit on the sidelines and get at ALL of those Dems whom she feels deserted her.

679 PSGInfinity  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:31:43pm

re: #21 pleaseandthankyou

She's got some explaining to do, but... if, God forbid, something does happen to Barrack, she's going to have a lot of explaining to do.

Observation o' the thread, methinks...
/So far, at least

680 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:32:12pm
681 gop_patriot  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:32:39pm

re: #677 slokat

LOL!

682 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:32:45pm
683 jaunte  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:33:04pm

re: #672 hermeneutics

Insecure people, in theory, could want a strong national defense. Why don't liberals want this? They appease, not defend, even though appeasement is inherently unstable and insecure.

I think the answer is that taking responsibility, admitting the world is dangerous, is too painful for them. For them that would be emotional suicide.
They would have to become other than what they are.
If the 'bad thing' happens, they are emotionally ok with it, because they can blame someone else even if they die in the process.

684 wolfie  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:33:23pm

re: #658 realwest

Hey Wolfie! Glad to be able to chat with you again - it's been awhile!
Uh, who's Bob Casey?

He's the fool PA elected to the Senate in 2006.
He is the son of the late Bob Casey, a very popular Democratic governor of PA.
Bob Casey, Sr. was a pro-life Democrat .......which is why you have never heard of him. He was never allowed to speak at their conventions, even when PA was the biggest state with a Dem governor. The Dems gave him the cold shoulder, much like they have done to Lieberman.
Bob Jr., I am told, is a zero who was elected because of his name.

685 maddogg  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:33:47pm

re: #674 Killian Bundy

I won't pretend to know how you would do that.

/th Big Dig boils down to inferior concrete at twice the price, you could catch that, what if you were threatened?

I would resign and send a letter to the FBI outlining in detail and including names and dates of the deliberate deficiencies I saw. As far as threats, hell, I'll take several of them with me. An engineer is empowered and trusted by society, and he owes society a safe design. Fuck the crooks.

686 hermeneutics  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:34:42pm

re: #678 realwest


I really do want to know what you think; I think sit on the sidelines and get at ALL of those Dems whom she feels deserted her.

I think she's more ambitious than vengeful, but vengence would sure taste good to her. My hunch is she'll go back to the Senate whether Obama wins or loses.

If he wins, she'll become the mouthpiece of Democratic dissenters from Obama's policies. She'll be his most ardent enemy.

If he loses, she'll position herself for 2012 by saying, essentially, "I told you so."

Just my $0.02

687 LeePro  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:34:51pm

re: #680 savage_nation

Well, he may be that, but he is a Medal of Honor recipient.

You thinking John Kerry? Or did Bob Kerrey also receive MoH?

re: #682 savage_nation

how are things?

Fair to middlin'... considering.

688 hermeneutics  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:35:15pm

re: #677 slokat

You're a hoot, Slo. Great text.

689 The Other Les  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:35:31pm

re: #672 hermeneutics

Insecure people, in theory, could want a strong national defense. Why don't liberals want this? They appease, not defend, even though appeasement is inherently unstable and insecure.

A free society is toxic to them. Thus they treat it as an evil that must be destroyed. The present armed forces are exist to protect the existing society and are manned by people who believe in that mission, That's why the Left opposes national defense.

690 wolfie  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:35:43pm

re: #661 hermeneutics

Tell me why you like Casey so much.

I don't like him at all. He's not the man his father was, from what I can see.
I think Obama would like him because he's Catholic and from a rust belt state.

691 wolfie  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:37:33pm

re: #666 LeePro

Agree.
I'm thinking someone like Bob Kerrey...? You know, a mouth with no brain.

That would be a great choice.
(We shouldn't be giving the O such good tips!)

692 Karridine  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:37:38pm

re: #690 wolfie

...and clearly an empty suit, to be manipulated from behind the scenes...

693 average_guy  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:38:21pm

re: #675 Syrah

Now if McCain were to give me a call and ask for my advice, I would suggest Jindal.

If Obama were to give me a call and ask for my advise, I would push hard for Ayers. Just stop the pretending.

The only problem ther is that Jindal is actually a conservative from all accounts I have. McCain on the other hand....

694 JeremyR  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:38:26pm

re: #687 LeePro

Fair to middlin'... considering.

John only got the purple bandaide, Bob is a MoH recipient.

695 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:38:32pm
696 realwest  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:38:59pm

re: #672 hermeneutics
It's really quite simple: lefties don't want the US to be a Power Player cause then the World won't like us. It's all about FEELINGS! Why else would Obama trot out all this absolute horse-shit about sitting down and talking to Iran, Cuba, Venezuela etc. etc.? They honestly believe in an alternative reality, where they can convince people who are wacko's of the highest order to do the right thing by applying logic and humble appreciation for what those wackos have "accomplished".

697 hermeneutics  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:39:51pm

re: #689 The Other Les

For some reason -- and I don't know this reason -- the American left simultaneously champions the bottom of society as it rejects the mainstream or middle.

Why?

698 JeremyR  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:40:30pm

re: #695 savage_nation

Bob Kerrey

John Kerry is a puss, Bob is a real warrior

beat ya by six and I'm on dial up. ;-)

699 slokat  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:40:31pm

re: #690 wolfie

so you're thinking safe white male... polar opposite?

Room for only one civil rights first on this ticket?

700 LoFlyer  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:41:11pm

A remembrance to some extremely brave guys who supported our beloved Marines on Nov. 13-16, 1942. The US Marines had absorbed some incredible battleship bombardments never seen before or since the battle of Guadalcanal in 1942, 900 14 inch HC and another 750 8 inch shells previous to the naval battle. The US Navy brought in a cruiser task force to defend Guadalcanal and the Japanese came in with battleships and two admirals, two US cruisers died in the fight, along with about six destroyers. Two nights later "Ching" Lee and two US battleships defeated another Japanese bombardment group at high cost to the escorting destroyers but the victory left another Japanese battleship sunk, and the battle in control of the Americans. The US Marines proved they could defeat the Japanese on the ground, and the navy proved it would provide support against overwhelming odds. General Vandegrift and Admiral Halsey, true American hero's in desperate times !

701 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:41:23pm
702 wolfie  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:41:34pm

re: #669 Syrah

Its difficult to not be on his right.

That leaves him a lot of Dems to choose from.

Edwards looks pretty and is about as empty as they come. What about him?

Certainly can't go left w/o tapping Bill Ayers!
You make a good case for Edwards, but he has 2 strikes against him. He's a previous loser and that I Feel Pretty video!

703 hermeneutics  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:41:44pm

re: #696 realwest

Playing Devil's advocate here ... Realwest, isn't insecurity a feeling? If so, why don't they want to be #1? It may be lonely on the top, but it is also a heck of a lot better than being on the bottom ... right?

704 wolfie  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:42:30pm

re: #673 LeePro

Also why he won't pick the Hill.

Bingo. He'll never pick anyone who can beat up Michelle.

705 LeePro  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:42:43pm

re: #694 JeremyR

re: #695 savage_nation

/ducking

I sit corrected.

706 hermeneutics  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:43:24pm

re: #705 LeePro

How is the healing of your mouth coming along, LeePro? Are you on the mend?

707 average_guy  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:43:46pm

re: #697 hermeneutics

For some reason -- and I don't know this reason -- the American left simultaneously champions the bottom of society as it rejects the mainstream or middle.

Why?

The left can control the bottom of society by channeling the tax money from the middle to entitlement programs. The top level can pass along tax increases but a vast majority of those in the middle don't have the means to do so.

The more taxes they can take from the middle the more they move the middle into the lower i.e. controllable part of society, and the more power they have.

708 Killian Bundy  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:43:52pm

re: #685 maddogg

I would resign and send a letter to the FBI outlining in detail and including names and dates of the deliberate deficiencies I saw. As far as threats, hell, I'll take several of them with me. An engineer is empowered and trusted by society, and he owes society a safe design. Fuck the crooks.

Bulger had an FBI agent on his payroll. That's how he managed to burn all his Mafia competitors in Boston and eventually escape and evade to this day. Unlike Philadelphia, the Boston mob can shoot straight. No horse head, you just show up dead.

/as longs as the LLLs are in charge of Massachusetts and the money flows and sloshes around, there will be no Giuliani stepping into the breach and getting serious about breaking the back of organized corruption

709 realwest  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:44:33pm

re: #687 LeePro Hi thee {Lee} Um, Bob Kerrey won the MoH, John Kerry didn't.
But he could pick the newly minted US Senator from Virgina, Jimmy Webb, also a highly decorated Vietnam Vet with some brains and who served as Secretary of the Navy during the Reagan Administration. And with whom I've had a drink or a dozen and is NOT or at least WAS NOT a moonbat.

710 Viking6  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:45:17pm

re: #657 JeremyR

Thats tight. I use to shoot distinguished in PPCs but havent touched a weapon for several years. Still have have them and relatively sure that I can put metal on the target. Time to go to bed, early day tomorrow.

711 PSGInfinity  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:45:32pm

re: #159 nyc redneck

she has always been kind of a bull in a china shop the girl's locker room.

There, FTFY!

712 hermeneutics  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:46:30pm

re: #707 average_guy

That actually makes sense, AG. But middle-class values and faith are rejected as well without any possible redistribution via taxes. Why do leftists reject the essential values and outlook of typical Americans?

713 stevieray  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:46:47pm

re: #686 hermeneutics

If he loses, she'll position herself for 2012 by saying, essentially, "I told you so."

If he loses, she will get the blame. She will be hammered for splitting the party, and the dems will shun her in 2012.

Add in the fact that the democrats will soon begin purging the Clintonistas from positions of power, and it adds up to this: its now or never. If she wants the presidency, she's gotta get it this time.

714 LeePro  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:46:53pm

re: #706 hermeneutics

How is the healing of your mouth coming along, LeePro? Are you on the mend?

Oh, how I wish! ! !

Scheduled for mid-summer. So it's soup-in-the-blender for another little while...

You're sweet to ask... thank you.

715 realwest  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:47:00pm

re: #694 JeremyR No, John also received one or two Silver Stars.

716 wolfie  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:47:33pm

re: #699 slokat

so you're thinking safe white male... polar opposite?

Room for only one civil rights first on this ticket?

Yeah. I think that's right.........unless Hillary forces them to pick her!

717 The Other Les  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:48:04pm

re: #697 hermeneutics

For some reason -- and I don't know this reason -- the American left simultaneously champions the bottom of society as it rejects the mainstream or middle.

Why?

A parasite's value system is essentially inverted from that of normal people.

We value freedom because we need control of our own life and property in order to live in the Human mode of life.

They hate freedom because they need control of our life and property in order to live in the parasite mode of life.

718 Killian Bundy  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:48:24pm

I'm not kidding.

/th Big Dig is a corrupt, unsafe boondoggle

719 average_guy  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:48:28pm

re: #712 hermeneutics

That actually makes sense, AG. But middle-class values and faith are rejected as well without any possible redistribution via taxes. Why do leftists reject the essential values and outlook of typical Americans?

I could only guess why that is, but I would have to agree that your observation is correct.

720 PSGInfinity  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:48:43pm

re: #163 Mich-again

If they really try that [disqualify McCain on acount of his Canal Zone birthplace -ed] they will be done like dinner.

They did float it. That whole Senate resolution thing was a way to tell the faithful to drop it like a hot potatoe.

721 hermeneutics  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:49:38pm

re: #713 stevieray

She could run as an Independent in 2012. Think Ross Perot.

722 average_guy  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:50:27pm

re: #719 average_guy

I could only guess why that is, but I would have to agree that your observation is correct.

I guess some of it has to do with the level of indoctrination in left-wing thinking that has been prevalent for so many years in all of state sponsored education and a lot of private education.

723 LeePro  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:50:40pm

re: #709 realwest

Hi thee {Lee} Um, Bob Kerrey won the MoH, John Kerry didn't.
But he could pick the newly minted US Senator from Virgina, Jimmy Webb, also a highly decorated Vietnam Vet with some brains and who served as Secretary of the Navy during the Reagan Administration. And with whom I've had a drink or a dozen and is NOT or at least WAS NOT a moonbat.

Hey {realwest}!
I'm talking about BO's pick... predicting someone rather wimpy, someone he can manipulate/use. We certainly don't want him to pick someone of hero status!

724 hermeneutics  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:51:30pm

re: #717 The Other Les

This could explain why leftists are usually averse to free-market economics. Most leftists are in "parasitic" positions in the academy, government, social work, etc. By parasitic I mean tax-supported, no more.

725 Tarkus289  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:51:56pm

If either of these two losers win, we may may not have elections in 2012.

726 Tarkus289  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:52:48pm

For a whole host of reasons.

727 LeePro  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:53:10pm

re: #713 stevieray

If he loses, she will get the blame. She will be hammered for splitting the party, and the dems will shun her in 2012.

Add in the fact that the democrats will soon begin purging the Clintonistas from positions of power, and it adds up to this: its now or never. If she wants the presidency, she's gotta get it this time.

This campaign is her goose and it is already in the oven!

728 realwest  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:53:46pm

re: #703 hermeneuticsNope not to them - to them it's better to be the VICTIM. TO be liked. Loved. And spoken of nicely behind our backs. We are talking Obama here, remember, not Hillary who looks out for..................Hillary - and Hillary wants the Military Power to enforce what she wants.
And Hillary ain't about "Feelings" except for loyalty and payback for disloyalty!

729 wolfie  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:54:18pm

re: #703 hermeneutics

Playing Devil's advocate here ... Realwest, isn't insecurity a feeling? If so, why don't they want to be #1? It may be lonely on the top, but it is also a heck of a lot better than being on the bottom ... right?

Not if you're driven by narcissistic guilt.
The USA's power is an awesome burden.
Better not use it.

730 LeePro  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:54:45pm

re: #716 wolfie

Yeah. I think that's right.........unless Hillary forces them to pick her!

Ooooooooooo hoo hoo hoo hoo
Nasty thought, but entirely within her realm!

731 Yankee Division Son  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:54:46pm

re: #726 Tarkus289

Cheer up. We survived Carter..

732 JeremyR  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:55:12pm

re: #701 savage_nation

I am awed by your magnificence, oh Master....


LOL.

733 PSGInfinity  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:55:25pm

re: #220 6pat6

No, I think that if a DNA test were performed, Janet Reno would show as the father of little Chelsea.

I've asked this question a couple of times over the months of campaigning:

Has anyone seen a photo of Hillary, while pregnant with Chelsea?

734 hermeneutics  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:56:21pm

re: #729 wolfie

Not if you're driven by narcissistic guilt.
The USA's power is an awesome burden.
Better not use it.

This will keep me thinking all night, Wolfie. Narcissistic guilt. Hmmmm.

735 Tarkus289  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:56:34pm

re: #731 Yankee Division Son

I was there, I remember, but things are different now.

736 average_guy  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:57:36pm

re: #731 Yankee Division Son

Cheer up. We survived Carter..

True, but we started from a better position than we are in now. Back then Ahmadinajad was only a left-wing hostage-taking college kid kickin' it in Iran. Now he's got his finger on the nuke button.

737 The Other Les  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:57:37pm

I'm tired.

Good night.

738 Syrah  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:57:52pm

re: #734 hermeneutics

This will keep me thinking all night, Wolfie. Narcissistic guilt. Hmmmm.

Think Goths.

They're misery is all about them.

739 LeePro  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:58:12pm

re: #720 PSGInfinity

potatoe

(your italic)

Funny!

740 jaunte  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:58:39pm

re: #729 wolfie

re: #734 hermeneutics

I think that's why you hear so much talk about "America's image in the world"
and how it must be improved.

741 realwest  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:58:52pm

re: #723 LeePro No Lee, but Obama might want him for his military record and his service in the REAGAN administration as Secretary of the Navy. Seriously. And Jimmy Webb would take it in a heartbeat.
I just can't see Hillary accepting the VP post nor see Obama offereing it to her.
And if Obama doesn't offer it to her and he goes down in flames, she won't be blamed at all for his loss.
Well, except for Kos and Olberman.

742 slokat  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:59:08pm

re: #737 The Other Les

so am I... 'night.

743 Syrah  Fri, May 23, 2008 10:59:15pm

re: #738 Syrah

PIMF! isn't spell check just grand. They're, their, there . . .

744 hermeneutics  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:00:04pm

re: #738 Syrah

Syrah, tell me to get off my butt and write!

745 bosforus  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:00:10pm

Bush Announces 8-Month Plan To Steal Favorite Desk Lamp
Good evening, lizards. How's everyone doin'?

746 hermeneutics  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:00:49pm

re: #742 slokat

Good night, Slo.

Good night, Les.

747 slokat  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:01:06pm

re: #744 hermeneutics

Write or we'll shoot the seal!

748 LeePro  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:01:37pm

re: #733 PSGInfinity

I've asked this question a couple of times over the months of campaigning:

Has anyone seen a photo of Hillary, while pregnant with Chelsea?

Hmmmmmmmmmm.
She doesn't look like either of them.

749 realwest  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:01:51pm

re: #738 Syrah Please see my #696.

750 jaunte  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:02:07pm

re: #745 bosforus

Bush stole Sandy Berger's move!

751 Syrah  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:02:25pm

re: #744 hermeneutics

Syrah, tell me to get off my butt and write!

Ok.

Get off hermeneutics butt and write you worthless worms!

Will that do?

752 realwest  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:02:27pm

re: #740 jaunte Hey juante - please see my #696.

753 wolfie  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:02:28pm

re: #734 hermeneutics

I remember the Vietnam era. When I came to the US in 1970, all I heard was how the Vietnamese were suffering. The moonbats wept, they cried over the poor suffering peasants. I remember.
The minute we left Vietnam, the crying stopped. Totally. The suffering didn't. It only intensified. There was not a single tear shed for the boat people or the victims of the Cambodian massacres. I remember.
The Left? It's all about them.

754 maddogg  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:03:44pm

re: #708 Killian Bundy


Are you talking about Bill Bulger? That sonofabitch is a coward and woman murderer. I would do what I had to do. If you are prepared to do whatever the situation takes, he has no advantage.

755 realwest  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:03:55pm

re: #753 wolfie Yes, again! Great post, thanks.

756 Syrah  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:04:48pm

re: #751 Syrah

Ok.

Get off hermeneutics butt and write you worthless worms!

Will that do?

Darn.

Its late.

I am afraid my eyes are giving out on me and I cant read for nothing.

Trying again.

hermeneutics, get off your butt and write!

(What are you supposed to be writing?)

757 hermeneutics  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:05:00pm

re: #747 slokat

Tell me this EVERY day, please. I can't let another day like today happen.

758 wolfie  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:05:38pm

re: #738 Syrah

Think Goths.

They're misery is all about them.

re: #740 jaunte

re: #734 hermeneutics

I think that's why you hear so much talk about "America's image in the world"
and how it must be improved.

Great examples!

759 JeremyR  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:06:31pm

re: #733 PSGInfinity

I've asked this question a couple of times over the months of campaigning:

Has anyone seen a photo of Hillary, while pregnant with Chelsea?

The photog who snapped the pic was cut by flying glass when his lens exploded, similarly, an artist who painted her pic was burned when the mural went up in flames.

760 realwest  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:06:37pm

Well all y'all it's been grand as usual but I gotta get some sleep! Hope you all have a Great Night/Early Morning and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

Oh and please, all, let's not forget what this Memorial Day holiday is for and no, it's not for sales or a three day weekend. It's to honor all of those brave troops who have died defending this great nation for over 200 years.

761 bosforus  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:06:47pm

re: #750 jaunte

Bush stole Sandy Berger's move!

Bush will probably end up only stealing a copy of a picture of a desk lamp.

762 jaunte  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:07:21pm

re: #752 realwest

Yes realwest, that's it. They are operating in an alternate reality. On the inside, they feel guilty/fearful of punishment because we have what we have.

763 LeePro  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:07:30pm

re: #741 realwest

No Lee, but Obama might want him for his military record and his service in the REAGAN administration as Secretary of the Navy. Seriously. And Jimmy Webb would take it in a heartbeat.
I just can't see Hillary accepting the VP post nor see Obama offereing it to her.
And if Obama doesn't offer it to her and he goes down in flames, she won't be blamed at all for his loss.
Well, except for Kos and Olberman.

I just don't see Obamessiah picking anyone who has even the slightest chance of outshining him! See my #643

764 jaunte  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:07:56pm

re: #761 bosforus

I'll be happy to get him one for the ranch.

765 jaunte  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:08:29pm

re: #760 realwest

Goodnight realwest. Good post.

766 JeremyR  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:08:47pm

Time to call it a morning. See ya all in a few hours.

767 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:09:55pm
768 maddogg  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:10:07pm

The maddogg has more work tomorrow than he can heist his leg on. So goodnight.

769 hermeneutics  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:10:46pm

re: #753 wolfie

Wolfie,
Many years ago, when i was first married, my husband and I started a "dinner guest" list of people with whom we'd love to leisurely dine and chat. Though our list got longer, a few names were crossed off as we got to know them. Recently I found the list. Most of the names on it no longer interested me. Perhaps I aged ... or matured, but the people I want to meet, now, are more like you.

Good night, Lizards. My sleeping pills are finally overtaking the painful day. Rest comes not quickly enough.

770 wolfie  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:11:06pm

re: #755 realwest

You remember, too, realwest?
Do you remember that line from Love Story..."Love means never having to say you're sorry."?
Well, LOVE says "I'm sorry" all the time.
It's liberalism that doesn't, that can't.
They can't handle guilt. They can't even acknowledge it.
It's like a sickness.

771 Yankee Division Son  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:12:31pm

re: #736 average_guy

True, but we started from a better position than we are in now. Back then Ahmadinajad was only a left-wing hostage-taking college kid kickin' it in Iran. Now he's got his finger on the nuke button.

Touche...

772 LeePro  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:13:26pm

re: #760 realwest

'Night, realwest! Sleep really well!

Memorial Day!

773 wolfie  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:14:19pm

re: #760 realwest

Well all y'all it's been grand as usual but I gotta get some sleep! Hope you all have a Great Night/Early Morning and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

Oh and please, all, let's not forget what this Memorial Day holiday is for and no, it's not for sales or a three day weekend. It's to honor all of those brave troops who have died defending this great nation for over 200 years.

Goodnight, RW ! I put your message in bold and I thank you for reminding us!

774 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:14:43pm
775 wolfie  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:16:13pm

re: #769 hermeneutics

Goodnight, hermie! :)

776 Killian Bundy  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:17:00pm

re: #754 maddogg

Are you talking about Bill Bulger? That sonofabitch is a coward and woman murderer. I would do what I had to do. If you are prepared to do whatever the situation takes, he has no advantage.

No, I'm talking about his brother James Bulger.

/Bill Bulger is an entrenched Massachusetts politician that covers for his Mafia brother Whitey, yes, it goes that deep, and there's no reason to believe it doesn't go all the way up the Massachusetts political food chain, up to the Federal representation level, just follow the federal Big Dig funding, everyone is involved

777 LeePro  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:19:06pm

re: #753 wolfie

When I came to the US in 1970...

Where did you come here from?

/just curious...

778 JustMyView  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:20:12pm

re: #154 EE


For the general election, the Obamites are trying to get John McCain disqualified from being President on the grounds that he was born in the Canal Zone. Of course, since his father was in the service, and that's where his father was stationed.

But you can always count on Obama to try to get all of his rivals eliminated before the race actually ends, and in some cases, before it even begins.

Actually, Obama has not contested McCain's eligibility. From the WSJ story at this link:

On Thursday, Senators Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) and Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) introduced a non-binding resolution expressing that McCain qualifies as a “natural born Citizen,” as specified in the Constitution and is therefore eligible for the highest office in the land. The resolution was co-sponsored by Obama and Clinton. Here’s a report from ABC News’s Political Punch blog.

A February NYT article raised the question as to whether McCain, who was born in 1936 on a U.S. military installation in the Panama Canal Zone, satisfied the constitutional prerequisites to become president. Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution requires a president to be a “natural born Citizen.”

“There are powerful arguments that Senator McCain or anyone else in this position is constitutionally qualified, but there is certainly no precedent,” Sarah H. Duggin, an associate professor of law at Catholic University who has studied the issue extensively, told the NYT. “It is not a slam-dunk situation.”

Note that McCaskill and Leahy are both strong Obama supporters.

Maybe not. But it appears lawmakers are doing all they can to try to put the issue to rest. “It is silly for anyone to argue that Senator McCain is not eligible to become president,” said McCaskill in a written statement. “I would hope that this is something we can all agree on, for goodness sakes.”

779 hazzyday  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:22:05pm

I heard her remarks. I understood them as she intended. Too early to call it based on history. The people shouting about it are the ones with a little bit too much loose change rattling around in their heads. Olberman is definitely a clown. His America would be no different than Red China. He is a big disgrace as are the media who host him.

I do think there are a lot of looney tunes on the left. Obama needs to be protected from them. Heads up Secret Service.

780 tokyobk  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:23:41pm

re: #700 LoFlyer

A remembrance to some extremely brave guys who supported our beloved Marines on Nov. 13-16, 1942.

An 82 year old friend of mine here says her memories of the end of the war were thinking how tall and handsome the GI`s were and how kind they were especially to old people and children, in spite of what they were told (while being taugh how to use bamboo spears) about the evil Americans. She also remarked that she was so happy the war ended, mostly because she had narrowly missed several bombings. "We did not have to die" is how she put it. Also, now that the Americans had come women`s opinions mattered, they could vote and decide who to marry, were her first examples.

Unfortunately, many younger Japanese do not know about the war or its significance and textbooks here shy away from it. As I have found recently many young people do not even know when the war ended, an office lady even guessing 1967.

781 wolfie  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:23:54pm

re: #763 LeePro

I just don't see Obamessiah picking anyone who has even the slightest chance of outshining him! See my #643

Webb would help the ticket, but he's no shrinking violet. More like a loose cannon.
It would be amusing.
I'm with you on this one! However much Obama might like Webb on paper, I can't see it. I think Webb would scare Michelle!

On that note, I'd better call it a night!
I'm starting to drooooooooooooooooooooop.

782 Syrah  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:24:28pm

re: #749 realwest

I hate to refer to Ayn Rand on this, but I think I have to.

One of the central characters in Atlas Shrugged is James Taggert. Rand used this character to illustrate the personality archetype of people who are not motivated by a desire to live and create, but to destroy and murder.

I think that much of the left is made up of narcissistic twits who hate the world and hate themselves. They are driven to wreck and destroy what they could not build.

Narcissistic Nihilism is what they are all about.

783 LeePro  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:27:48pm

re: #781 wolfie

I think Webb would scare Michelle!

Yep! And I also think that Michelle is calling more shots than most realize!

Tell me where you came here from in 1970!

784 Karridine  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:28:45pm

re: #734 hermeneutics

Narcissistic Guilt: "I'm SO BEAUTIFULLY WONDERFUL that I should feel bad about how BAD I make other people look..."

785 wolfie  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:29:53pm

re: #777 LeePro

Where did you come here from?

/just curious...

Bolivia. I was born and lived there until college.
(My father was born and bred in Charleston, SC. My mother is Bolivian...naturalized American.)

ok.....really sleeeeeeeeeepytime !

786 LeePro  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:31:24pm

re: #785 wolfie

Thanks!
Sleep tight!

787 biff  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:32:15pm

Actually, this is really pissing me off. It's obvious that what she was talking about was that the McCarthy-RFK fight went into June and wasn't decided until the Cali primary when Bobby was murdered in the first Fatah military action on US soil. She was tired and short-handed it, and as usually Obama and his supporters take every statement from anyone as if it were directed specifically at them. Too f'n bad crybaby. BTW, Hill's got more total votes in the Dem primaries than BHO. Suck on dem apples you Kenyan-Kansan.

Not that I'm going to vote for either of them, but Obama may just be a total loon, besides being completely unqualified for the job.

788 biff  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:35:10pm

It just occured to me that Obama is a Kenyan-Kansan-Kommunist

789 LeePro  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:35:44pm

re: #788 biff

It just occured to me that Obama is a Kenyan-Kansan-Kommunist


Oooooooooo.
KKK

790 bosforus  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:36:01pm

re: #787 biff

From the one sound clip I've heard of this situation it sounded like she tied the experience more to Bill than to Kennedy. That is, her brain was recalling a memory of something that happened to someone close to her, Bill, and unfortunately for her she picked one that involved an assassinated Kennedy.

791 LeePro  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:37:41pm

Thread's slowin' down...

...and so am I.

¦O ya-a-a-w-w-w-n-n-n

G'nite, dear Lizards.

792 Syrah  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:37:48pm

The streets are wet with then evening's rains.

The dark of the night will last just a few more hours.

To bed, to sleep, to dream.

. . .

793 Karridine  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:38:43pm

Pace too fast for me...

Relinquishing keyboard to my fevered son, hot with flu this fine Saturday morning...

bbiaw

794 gop_patriot  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:39:16pm

Goodnight, Lee and Syrah. :) Sleep well.

795 gop_patriot  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:40:05pm

re: #793 Karridine

The flu? That's no fun. Hope he feels better soon. :) See ya later.

796 PSGInfinity  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:41:48pm

re: #672 hermeneutics

Insecure people, in theory, could want a strong national defense. Why don't liberals want this? They appease, not defend, even though appeasement is inherently unstable and insecure.

...because all those Real Men running around would make them VERY uncomfortable in their own (wussy) skin. Believe me, THAT matters far more than any trivial considerations like, oh, security.

797 itellu3times  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:44:58pm
and the left wing media are almost universally accusing her of insinuating that Barack Obama will be assassinated.

Exsqueeze me, coming in so late on this, I step away from the keyboard for a couple of hours, and stuff happens!

But, remember folks just who we're talking about.

I only scanned about a third of the messages, but I don't see anyone interpreting Hilda the way I think she ought to be interpreted. Remember, she was the agency in charge of bimbo eruptions for thirty years, and when she issues even an elliptical threat, it is MEANT to be taken AS A REAL THREAT. From her, this mention of assassination should be taken as a direct threat to Obama by Hillary's friends and wellwishers, and I'm guessing many on the Obama side are entirely clear on it and taking it as such. She is just a lawyerly evasion away from needing to be questioned by the Secret Service for issuing an open threat. And her apology was even weaker - she sort of apologized to the Kennedys, but not to Obama?

Hillary is completely cracked, but what about the press? Even Keith Olberman seems unable to fully parse a simple, clear assassination threat.

798 itellu3times  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:48:01pm
799 DownRightMeanAmerican  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:48:49pm

I swear if Obama wins the Presidency I am going to get “typical white gun & bible clinging, beer and charcoal hauling American” on the back of my PU.

That’ll learn ‘um.

800 PSGInfinity  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:49:07pm

re: #739 LeePro

(your italic)

Funny!

Thanks! :)

801 eastvillageinfidel  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:50:52pm

Imagine the horrible confusion and anger Hillary must be experiencing as the media hyenas turn towards the carcass of her campaign. Am I a horrible person for gloating?

802 PSGInfinity  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:52:27pm

re: #748 LeePro

Hmmmmmmmmmm.
She doesn't look like either of them.

Agreed. And if she was adopted as an infant, she'd have no memories to repress...

803 AmeriDan  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:53:08pm

re: #709 realwest

Hi thee {Lee} Um, Bob Kerrey won the MoH, John Kerry didn't.
But he could pick the newly minted US Senator from Virgina, Jimmy Webb, also a highly decorated Vietnam Vet with some brains and who served as Secretary of the Navy during the Reagan Administration. And with whom I've had a drink or a dozen and is NOT or at least WAS NOT a moonbat.

Hi realwest,

Isn't Jim Webb the guy that wrote the novel with the man/child sex stuff?

Or am I getting him confused with another Democratic Congressman?

804 Killian Bundy  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:53:11pm

Thank God McCain is healthy.

/the holiday weekend medical document dump worried me yesterday

805 PSGInfinity  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:53:53pm

re: #759 JeremyR

The photog who snapped the pic was cut by flying glass when his lens exploded, similarly, an artist who painted her pic was burned when the mural went up in flames.

Fanciful, but plausible. Adoption leaves a paper trail, after all...

806 AmeriDan  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:54:08pm

Hi LeePro

807 tokyobk  Fri, May 23, 2008 11:59:38pm

re: #797 itellu3times

Do you mean they are trying to scare Obama either directly or indirectly, as in we are so f`n crazy for power we will do anything, type scare?

808 PSGInfinity  Sat, May 24, 2008 12:01:44am

re: #778 JustMyView

I brought this up in post #720, but was too lazy/tired to get the raw feed. Thanks a bunch JMV!

809 sparrowlake  Sat, May 24, 2008 12:02:23am

Forget assassination for a minute.
If Obama was to drop dead of a heart attack or get run over by a car on the eve of the convention, then Hillary would win the nomination unless she had sooner withdrawn her candidacy.
Isn't this one of the reasons why some candidates (e.g. Edwards) choose to suspend their campaigns rather than formally withdrawing their candidacies?
Are we too squeamish to calmly contemplate the mortality of candidates?

810 AmeriDan  Sat, May 24, 2008 12:06:50am

re: #803 AmeriDan

Hi realwest,

Isn't Jim Webb the guy that wrote the novel with the man/child sex stuff?

Or am I getting him confused with another Democratic Congressman?

Yup, I did some checking and it is him.

But, of course, his words were taken out of context.

The guy you knew seems to be long gone. No way he will win a national election.

Read the book... if you dare.

811 BignJames  Sat, May 24, 2008 12:06:58am

re: #809 sparrowlake

Are we too squeamish to calmly contemplate the mortality of candidates?

Us?....or the media? On one hand I think it's funny as hell the way the meadia has freaked. On the other, they're showing just how much they're in the tank for Obama.

812 PSGInfinity  Sat, May 24, 2008 12:07:12am

re: #807 tokyobk

Do you mean they are trying to scare Obama either directly or indirectly, as in we are so f`n crazy for power we will do anything, type scare?

It's a threat, an invitation to violence by her supporters, a verbal grenade meant to unnerve the Obamaniacs, a tired woman making a bad analogy, or the MSM jumping on a miscue to run her out of the race.

Take your pick.

My money's on the "unforced error" theory, aided by Teddy "Swimmer" Kennedy's brain cancer weighing on her, well, brain.

813 Intrepid  Sat, May 24, 2008 12:09:45am

Sorry, late to the party. But who the hell cares what Keith Olbermann says? He's such a nobody, with ratings so low that he'll probably need to pull out a trick pony with a monkey doing sign language in order to get anybody to watch him.

On second thought, maybe that would be better than his stupid show...

814 sparrowlake  Sat, May 24, 2008 12:10:43am

With McCain's disavowal of Hagee's endorsement, the evangelical fat may now be in the fire. Watch for the Dems to shamelessly prostitute themselves as they try to woo the Christian right.

815 AmeriDan  Sat, May 24, 2008 12:11:58am

re: #809 sparrowlake

Are we too squeamish to calmly contemplate the mortality of candidates?

Are you suggesting that Obama is a mere mortal!

RACIST!

/Obamabot off

816 eastvillageinfidel  Sat, May 24, 2008 12:14:25am

re: #807 tokyobk

Post #8 by average_guy was funny in a scary kind of way.

817 tokyobk  Sat, May 24, 2008 12:14:35am

re: #812 PSGInfinity

It's a threat, an invitation to violence by her supporters, a verbal grenade meant to unnerve the Obamaniacs, a tired woman making a bad analogy, or the MSM jumping on a miscue to run her out of the race.

Take your pick.

My pick is a tired woman accidently revealing the will to poer in hear heart and the MSM grandstanding.

818 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 24, 2008 12:15:07am

re: #814 sparrowlake

Watch for the Dems to shamelessly prostitute themselves as they try to woo the Christian right.

Did you really just type that?

/think it'll work?

819 sparrowlake  Sat, May 24, 2008 12:18:20am

re: #818 Killian Bundy

Did you really just type that?
/think it'll work?

A guy can hope, can't he?

820 PSGInfinity  Sat, May 24, 2008 12:22:19am

re: #817 tokyobk

My pick is a tired woman [accidentally] revealing the will to [power] in [her] heart and the MSM grandstanding.

Jolly good show, tokyobk. Let's add yours to the list.

821 AmeriDan  Sat, May 24, 2008 12:23:15am

re: #818 Killian Bundy

re: #814 sparrowlake

Watch for the Dems to shamelessly prostitute themselves as they try to woo the Christian right.

Did you really just type that?

/think it'll work?

The Republican nominee doesn't even bother to do that. Why should they?

822 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 24, 2008 12:24:37am

re: #819 sparrowlake

A guy can hope, can't he?

/hell, so far, they're threatening to sit it out for McCain

823 PSGInfinity  Sat, May 24, 2008 12:25:30am

re: #818 Killian Bundy

Did you really just type that?

/think it'll work?

Hey, getting both major parties competing will, at minimum, force the GOP to take us more seriously. And if it moderates their tendencies, that's another plus.

But the big prizes are yet to come: wooing the rest of the various conservatives, and showing black Americans the benefits of not voting monolithically.

824 tokyobk  Sat, May 24, 2008 12:25:55am

re: #820 PSGInfinity

Jolly good show, tokyobk. Let's add yours to the list.

Thanks for the spelling help. I have no excuse, it is 430 in the afternoon and all I have had to drink today is Hoppy, which is beer flavored but non-alchoholic (and quite good).

825 PSGInfinity  Sat, May 24, 2008 12:27:06am

re: #815 AmeriDan

Are you suggesting that Obama is a mere mortal!

RACIST!

/Obamabot off

That whole racism meme is really getting on my nerves too, and I know we're not alone. Perhaps this'll actually help us in the long run, by stripping the respectability off the tactic.

826 AmeriDan  Sat, May 24, 2008 12:27:49am

re: #822 Killian Bundy

/hell, so far, they're threatening to sit it out for because of McCain

/fixed

827 PSGInfinity  Sat, May 24, 2008 12:30:59am

re: #824 tokyobk

Thanks for the spelling help. I have no excuse, it is 430 in the afternoon and all I have had to drink today is Hoppy, which is beer flavored but non-alchoholic (and quite good).

You're welcome. If you download the Firefox browser, it comes with a built-in spell checker. Plus, it's better and more secure than Internet Exploder. Plus, when it does get hacked, Mozilla is MUCH more conscientious about patching it than Micro$oft is about patching IE.

Hoppy, eh? I'll look for it, but I haven't seen it Stateside...

828 AmeriDan  Sat, May 24, 2008 12:33:28am

re: #825 PSGInfinity

That whole racism meme is really getting on my nerves too, and I know we're not alone. Perhaps this'll actually help us in the long run, by stripping the respectability off the tactic.

I fear that until Obama is sworn in as POTUS it will get worse.

If he loses, it will get worse. If he wins, it will get worse.

The racism meme is here to stay.

829 PSGInfinity  Sat, May 24, 2008 12:34:07am

re: #821 AmeriDan

re: #814 sparrowlake

Watch for the Dems to shamelessly prostitute themselves as they try to woo the Christian right.

Did you really just type that?

/think it'll work?

The Republican nominee doesn't even bother to do that. Why should they?

Because this is a Realignment Election. Whoever wins has the inside track, and if they execute, dictate the rules of engagement for the next quarter-century or so.

830 sparrowlake  Sat, May 24, 2008 12:34:56am

re: #821 AmeriDan

re: #814 sparrowlake
Watch for the Dems to shamelessly prostitute themselves as they try to woo the Christian right.
Did you really just type that?
/think it'll work?
The Republican nominee doesn't even bother to do that. Why should they?

Naked unprincipled thirst for power?
It may start with Dem affirmation of support for Israel, but now increasingly expressed using apocalyptic codewords designed to lure the final days folks.

831 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 24, 2008 12:35:18am

re: #823 PSGInfinity

The Bonkeys know better than to waste their time trying to go after religious conservatives. Their goal is to corner the market on heathens, whether they're eligible to vote or not. McCain's going to run straight down the middle. Pick your side.

One word: judges.

/if you pick incorrectly or choose not to play, the damage to the Federal Judiciary will be uncorrectable for the next several decades

832 tokyobk  Sat, May 24, 2008 12:37:16am

re: #828 AmeriDan

I am not sure you can get Hoppy in the US which is a shame since it is a real drink in its own right rather than a fake beer, though many Japanese old men use it as a chaser for harder stuff like shochu.

833 PSGInfinity  Sat, May 24, 2008 12:37:41am

re: #828 AmeriDan

I fear that until Obama is sworn in as POTUS it will get worse.
If he loses, it will get worse. If he wins, it will get worse.
The racism meme is here to stay.

For now. But like all memes, it'll get worn out. Either by civil Americans demanding the Utopians (leftists) drop it, or by civil war. My guess: 95(+) / 5(-) for the former...

834 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 24, 2008 12:37:45am

re: #826 AmeriDan

Semantic bull[expletive deleted].

/you're going to have to choose from the reality and not choosing is a choice

835 PSGInfinity  Sat, May 24, 2008 12:39:24am

re: #831 Killian Bundy

The Bonkeys know better than to waste their time trying to go after religious conservatives. Their goal is to corner the market on heathens, whether they're eligible to vote or not. McCain's going to run straight down the middle. Pick your side.

One word: judges.

/if you pick incorrectly or choose not to play, the damage to the Federal Judiciary will be uncorrectable for the next several decades

You're likely right. But nothing else has gone to form this election, so I say "Why not this, too?"

836 X-ray  Sat, May 24, 2008 12:41:43am

OT
Just a thought on this Memorial Day why the troops of the US have never lost a war militarily. Politics is the only enemy that can beat them.

Our soldiers fight for this and this and their own at home. The losers fight for political movements, ideology and one religion.

I think this saying is attributed too the Marines "No Better Friend, No Worse Enemy" But it applies too all we send.

Keep them in your prayers because without their sacrifice we would all be lost.

837 AmeriDan  Sat, May 24, 2008 12:50:03am

re: #829 PSGInfinity

re: #830 sparrowlake

The Republican nominee doesn't even bother to do that. Why should they?

It's a rhetorical question. Barack and Hillary can woo all they want for the Christian right... but it ain't gonna happen.

I was just pointing out that McCain could care less about Christian conservatives. He doesn't even try to hide it anymore.

Don't get me started on open boarders, global warming, closing Gitmo, and many other things that McCain would do against the wishes of any conservative. Christian or not.

838 AmeriDan  Sat, May 24, 2008 12:54:48am

re: #834 Killian Bundy

Semantic bull[expletive deleted].

/you're going to have to choose from the reality and not choosing is a choice

I will vote a straight Republican ticket. I won't like it, but I will vote.

That is my choice.

839 PSGInfinity  Sat, May 24, 2008 1:00:23am

re: #837 AmeriDan

re: #830 sparrowlake

It's a rhetorical question. Barack and Hillary can woo all they want for the Christian right... but it ain't gonna happen.

I was just pointing out that McCain could care less about Christian conservatives. He doesn't even try to hide it anymore.

Don't get me started on open boarders, global warming, closing Gitmo, and many other things that McCain would do against the wishes of any conservative. Christian or not.

Ah, but that's the terrible grandeur of realignment elections.

They CAN woo the Christian Right. And the rest of the Conservatives, as well. And they might make some headway. They don't need much - say a 15 point swing in each subcategory. If they get that, the Republican party is back on the outside, looking in, with the Dems dictating the rules of engagement for the next quarter-century.

And don't think the Dem strategists don't know that.

840 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 24, 2008 1:04:19am

re: #838 AmeriDan

I will vote a straight Republican ticket. I won't like it, but I will vote.

That is my choice.

It's an obvious dichotomy, duh. You don't have to like it but you're insane to stay home. This election is literally about a continuing political foothold or absolute irrelevancy.

“Going over the cliff, flags flying, is still going over the cliff.”

/Ronald Wilson Reagan

841 sparrowlake  Sat, May 24, 2008 1:08:38am

A little something for dead of night Obamaphobes.

842 X-ray  Sat, May 24, 2008 1:11:28am

re: #840 Killian Bundy

I will be a litmus voter this time. But too make sure I don't throw those serving in the military and those that have sacrificed in this fight since 2003 over the cliff before I have to go I will vote McCain.

843 AmeriDan  Sat, May 24, 2008 1:12:52am

re: #839 PSGInfinity

They CAN woo the Christian Right. And the rest of the Conservatives, as well. And they might make some headway. They don't need much - say a 15 point swing in each subcategory. If they get that, the Republican party is back on the outside, looking in, with the Dems dictating the rules of engagement for the next quarter-century.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that. I also believe that Republicans are already on the outside looking in.

Please note this earlier comment I posted to Killian Bundy:

I will vote a straight Republican ticket. I won't like it, but I will vote.

844 PSGInfinity  Sat, May 24, 2008 1:13:11am

It's 0410 here in DCTown, so I'm racking out.
Have a great day, everyone!

845 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 24, 2008 1:14:41am

Vote Obama!

re: #839 PSGInfinity

Ah, but that's the terrible grandeur of realignment elections.

They CAN woo the Christian Right. And the rest of the Conservatives, as well. And they might make some headway. They don't need much - say a 15 point swing in each subcategory. If they get that, the Republican party is back on the outside, looking in, with the Dems dictating the rules of engagement for the next quarter-century.

And don't think the Dem strategists don't know that.

/stop embarrassing yourself

846 PSGInfinity  Sat, May 24, 2008 1:20:44am

re: #843 AmeriDan

We'll have to agree to disagree on that. I also believe that Republicans are already on the outside looking in.

Please note this earlier comment I posted to Killian Bundy:

I will vote a straight Republican ticket. I won't like it, but I will vote.

OK, at least one more...

What I left unsaid was that their success is far from assured. But because we still have a veto and a filibuster, we can derail the truly stupid stuff. We might not have either, this time next year.

The Republican and Conservative brands are badly damaged, their constituencies demoralized, their less fervent supporters eyeing alternatives. Add in the Millennial Generation making its presence felt for the first time (and truly disgusted with what they've seen) and you've got the makings of a realignment.

I'm glad that you'll vote for the sanest available option. I will, too. But our more moderate brethren might not, and not do it again until 2032 or so...

847 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 24, 2008 1:20:54am

And then there's the electoral map . . .

/You Never Can Tell

848 AmeriDan  Sat, May 24, 2008 1:23:47am

re: #840 Killian Bundy

I will vote a straight Republican ticket. I won't like it, but I will vote.

...AmeriDan

You don't have to like it but you're insane to stay home.

... Killian Bundy

Who says I'm staying home?

849 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 24, 2008 1:25:19am

re: #848 AmeriDan

Who says I'm staying home?

/not me

850 AmeriDan  Sat, May 24, 2008 1:27:59am

re: #846 PSGInfinity

Good night.

851 PSGInfinity  Sat, May 24, 2008 1:28:24am

re: #845 Killian Bundy

Vote Obama!

...But what if the majority does? And more importantly, votes Dem down-ticket? And more importantly still, approves of how they comport themselves over the next four years? And then makes a habit of it? Every generation or so, the American people 'pop' the political chessboard, letting the pieces fall where they may. The last cycle happened in '76' - '80, and we've largely shaped the rules of engagement ever since. Unlike, say after '32.

/stop embarrassing yourself

If you believe that's embarrassing, you're in for a LOT more surprises, most of them unpleasant, before November.

852 AmeriDan  Sat, May 24, 2008 1:29:48am

re: #849 Killian Bundy

Are we the last known surviors of this thread?

853 PSGInfinity  Sat, May 24, 2008 1:30:49am

re: #850 AmeriDan

Good night.

You too! Killian as well.

854 gop_patriot  Sat, May 24, 2008 1:31:20am

re: #852 AmeriDan

I'm popping in from time to time.

/mostly lurking

855 AmeriDan  Sat, May 24, 2008 1:33:47am

re: #854 gop_patriot

I'm popping in from time to time.

/mostly lurking

What up home gurl?

856 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 24, 2008 1:37:45am

re: #851 PSGInfinity

If you believe that's embarrassing, you're in for a LOT more surprises, most of them unpleasant, before November.

Absolutely, but McCain's already been thouroughly vetted. It's called opposition research.

/Obama hasn't (five jawdropping links), we've only just begun

857 gop_patriot  Sat, May 24, 2008 1:42:39am

re: #855 AmeriDan

LOL! Well, my son graduated from high school tonight, so there's that. Had a very nice graduation, honestly it was way better than mine (260 ppl in my grad class, 10 in his). Very personal. Started with the kindergardeners and 6th graders that were moving up, then did the seniors. Filled up the whole church sanctuary, and we didn't have to listen to bunches of speeches, just one Valedictorian speech and a send off from one of the parents/pastors. :) Wonderful slideshow for each kid; pictures of them through their lives, just a nice evening all around.

/homeschool
//nothing is changing, he'll still be here tomorrow haha

858 PSGInfinity  Sat, May 24, 2008 1:45:03am

re: #856 Killian Bundy

Absolutely, but McCain's already been thouroughly vetted. It's called opposition research.

/Obama hasn't (five jawdropping links), we've only just begun

Oh, I know, I know. Problem is, we're 'the choir'. The non-conservatives might simply not care.

One quick example before I really do wrap up for the night:
a few days ago, Obama spoke at a concert in Portland before ~75,000 people. I went onto the Digg and a few other forums where young'uns hang out. Apparently, the band normally plays at about 5,000-seat venues. Not 75,000. Obama, not the band, was the headliner.

My worry is that they've simply tuned us out, and even if they vote for John, that we'll get out a**es handed to us downticket.

859 littleoldlady  Sat, May 24, 2008 1:47:41am

I'm a "non-conservative" - and I care!

860 PSGInfinity  Sat, May 24, 2008 1:49:09am

re: #859 littleoldlady

I'm a "non-conservative" - and I care!

Great! Welcome aboard! But in American national politics, it's a numbers game - and the numbert are in play this year in ways not seen since '80.

861 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 24, 2008 1:51:23am

re: #858 PSGInfinity

My worry is that they've simply tuned us out, and even if they vote for John, that we'll get out a**es handed to us downticket.

/I'll take whatever I can get and strive to get more, wherever I find it, five months is a long time

862 littleoldlady  Sat, May 24, 2008 1:52:38am

re: #860 PSGInfinity

If you think all of the "Hillary Democrats" will be voting for Obama, you are very mistaken.

The Democratic Party (of which I am a member, unfortunately) has damaged itself beyond repair. The whole picture hasn't shaken out yet. But get out into your community and talk to people.

/not pretty

863 AmeriDan  Sat, May 24, 2008 1:55:04am

re: #857 gop_patriot

Friggen awesome! I had 400 plus graduate with me. Or, to be honest, two hundred or so graduate in front of me. Should I change my name to AverageDan?

Congratulations. With a name like gop_patriot, I know that you have rasied a fine, outstanding MAN (yeah, like it or not, he's a man now).

Our country needs as many of him as we can get.

864 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 24, 2008 1:56:59am

re: #858 PSGInfinity

You're on the McCain page, right?

/your vote is important and you should ride the internet like Paul Revere if you're into it

865 PSGInfinity  Sat, May 24, 2008 1:58:14am

re: #862 littleoldlady

If you think all of the "Hillary Democrats" will be voting for Obama, you are very mistaken.

The Democratic Party (of which I am a member, unfortunately) has damaged itself beyond repair. The whole picture hasn't shaken out yet. But get out into your community and talk to people.

/not pretty

Many sharp observers have noticed that as well. Some've gone so far as to speculate that one, or even BOTH, parties could implode, starting this election. Killian's right, five months is a long time, and you're right in noting the Dem's own damage. Let's add GOP damage, heat, pressurize, stir, and shake for a while...

...I've said it in other fora, and repeat it here:
Anyone who tells you they know what's going to happen is crazy. The only ones crazier are the ones betting in the new-fangled political futures markets...

866 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 24, 2008 1:58:53am

On a completely unrelated note, does anyone know where I can get a hold of some Krugerrands?

867 littleoldlady  Sat, May 24, 2008 2:00:02am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --------------------->
Help yourselves!

868 PSGInfinity  Sat, May 24, 2008 2:00:57am

re: #864 Killian Bundy

You're on the McCain page, right?

/your vote is important and you should ride the internet like Paul Revere if you're into it

I'm more of a Fred/Mitt guy, myself (depending on my mood).
I'm sorry; I'm fading fast, what do you mean by the Paul Revere comment?

869 AmeriDan  Sat, May 24, 2008 2:02:15am

re: #862 littleoldlady

If you think all of the "Hillary Democrats" will be voting for Obama, you are very mistaken.

The Democratic Party (of which I am a member, unfortunately) has damaged itself beyond repair. The whole picture hasn't shaken out yet. But get out into your community and talk to people.

/not pretty

Morning littleoldlady,

My sister- who adopted me when I was a young teenager- was an old school Democrat and hard core Liberal.

She now describes herself as an Independent.

870 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 24, 2008 2:02:26am

Fruitcup time already? Seems so early....and I have yet to dust off the Fruitcupitron 3000

871 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 24, 2008 2:04:14am

re: #868 PSGInfinity

I'm fading fast, what do you mean by the Paul Revere comment?

/get some rest

872 littleoldlady  Sat, May 24, 2008 2:04:15am

re: #869 AmeriDan

Dan! :-)

I wish there was party for us moderates.

/"Independent" translates to "semi-disenfranchised" :-(

873 PSGInfinity  Sat, May 24, 2008 2:04:39am

re: #866 Fenway_Nation

On a completely unrelated note, does anyone know where I can get a hold of some Krugerrands?

Some people find them in containers...

874 gop_patriot  Sat, May 24, 2008 2:04:41am

re: #863 AmeriDan

He's a great guy, smart, and very aware politically. Most of his friends are, too- even more so than their parents.

They're all looking forward to voting for the first time this fall; my son is looking forward especially to voting against Hillary or Obama in this election. LOL

875 PSGInfinity  Sat, May 24, 2008 2:05:16am

re: #871 Killian Bundy

/get some rest

Righto... Out.

876 bubbasbbq  Sat, May 24, 2008 2:05:55am

Two points here. First, I really don't think Hill was making any kind of insinuation, On many occasions, when she has to speak off the cuff, she is often very clumsy and inarticulate. THis is just example 357 of her inability to speak fluidly when she has to improvise. Second of all, I just KNOW she has some juicy little bit of scandalous info on Barry (AKA the "sock puppet") Hussein that is going to get sprung between now and convention time, With all of his unsavory associations, it wouldn't surprise me if Clinton Inc had some tape of him or his lovely wifey saying something really foul to a group of people or had some kind of paper trail that led to Barry obarry's door. The king and queen of dirty tricks have one more, I just know it. Her ill formed and expressed statements are just her way of saying to hang on bend over because here it comes.

877 gop_patriot  Sat, May 24, 2008 2:05:58am

re: #867 littleoldlady

Yum, thanks. :)

How are you? Looking forward to the weekend?

878 littleoldlady  Sat, May 24, 2008 2:06:03am

'Night, PSGInfinity! :-)

'Morning, gop! :-) Fenway! :-) Killian! :-)

879 littleoldlady  Sat, May 24, 2008 2:08:37am

re: #877 gop_patriot

I'm okay, thanks! :-)

Too much to do this weekend - same as every day/weekend. Two parties that I wouldn't mind skipping. (Especially the one two counties over. Gas is at $4 here. OY.)

How's by you? Congrats again on your graduate! What are his plans now?

880 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 24, 2008 2:09:15am

re: #866 Fenway_Nation

On a completely unrelated note, does anyone know where I can get a hold of some Krugerrands?

Take your pick.

/just remember, you can't eat gold

881 AmeriDan  Sat, May 24, 2008 2:11:02am

re: #872 littleoldlady

Dan! :-)

I wish there was party for us moderates.

/"Independent" translates to "semi-disenfranchised" :-(

Not in this day and age.

882 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 24, 2008 2:14:54am

re: #869 AmeriDan

Morning littleoldlady,

My sister- who adopted me when I was a young teenager- was an old school Democrat and hard core Liberal.

She now describes herself as an Independent.

Heh heh.....I remember back during the '04 elections, I'd have co-workers spout off Farenheit 9/11 talking points and when I called them out on it, their pat answer was "Oh, I'm not a Democrat....I'm an independent" (kind of ironic, considering how dependent they were on the Micheal Moore, 60 minutes, Howard Dean or Not In Our Name talking points).

When I pointed out Kerry's considerable flaws, they'd say something like "Oh, that's just what I expect an angry republican like you to say" to which I'd shoot back "I'm not a Republican, I'm an independent..."

883 haakondahl  Sat, May 24, 2008 2:16:19am

Say, any lizards in the Albuquerque/Flagstaff/Vegas/Reno corridor? And interested in meeting for a burger by the Interstate in the very near future? Oddly enough I am in the States for a few days.

884 Karridine  Sat, May 24, 2008 2:17:10am

re: #876 bubbasbbq

Agree, BBQ... Olbermort goes into a bit of this when he mentions his, "We FORGIVE YOU 1 and 2 and 3 and .... 17, but we CANNOT FORGIVE YOU THIS, Hillabeeste!"

She drops a few calculated word-bombs, but mostly just makes mistrakes... when speaking ad lib and off-the-k'ffir...

885 gop_patriot  Sat, May 24, 2008 2:18:05am

Gas is ranging from about 3.59 to 3.99 here. And in a week we're traveling, yippee.

He's going to work and play this summer, then work and college this fall. :) Not sure of his major. He's also thinking of joining the Air Force (my fil was in). Or doing something else to become a pilot, he's sort of got the idea that he'd like to fly. :)

886 Karridine  Sat, May 24, 2008 2:20:10am

re: #883 haakondahl

Bumming burgers again, Haakondahl?

/tsk-tsk...

887 gop_patriot  Sat, May 24, 2008 2:20:31am

re: #883 haakondahl

I'm not in that area, but where are you from? :)

888 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 24, 2008 2:21:32am

re: #882 Fenway_Nation

Did you catch the Big Dig discussion upthread?

/all the documented Mob connections, 24/7

889 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 24, 2008 2:22:23am

re: #880 Killian Bundy

Well....I already have 3 months worth of Campbell's soup in the pantry as well as a doggy bag (and me without a dog) with some fettucini alfredo and incredibly rich chocolate mousse from earlier tonight.

890 littleoldlady  Sat, May 24, 2008 2:25:12am

re: #885 gop_patriot

Sounds like a plan! :-)

Be prepared, though. 85-90% of the kids who graduated with meannastyteenager last year had a plan that changed by the end of the first semester.

/including MNT

891 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 24, 2008 2:25:55am

re: #889 Fenway_Nation

Well....I already have 3 months worth of Campbell's soup in the pantry as well as a doggy bag (and me without a dog) with some fettucini alfredo and incredibly rich chocolate mousse from earlier tonight.

One word:

/Bulger, and bull[expletive deleted] concrete

892 AmeriDan  Sat, May 24, 2008 2:26:37am

re: #882 Fenway_Nation

No, I think she really is beginning to see that the present day Democrat Party has an agenda that will be the death of this country.

I've joked with her that she lives her life like a Conservative Republican, yet would still vote for someone like Kerry in 04.

/working hard to convert

893 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 24, 2008 2:28:16am

re: #888 Killian Bundy


Goodness....you don't mean the Bulger Brothers, do you?

Did the Patriarcha clan get any mention?

894 gop_patriot  Sat, May 24, 2008 2:30:57am

re: #890 littleoldlady

No kidding, he's changed his mind at least 4 times this year already. ;)

895 littleoldlady  Sat, May 24, 2008 2:34:24am

re: #894 gop_patriot

When the mind-changing equals $$$$$ the hair starts to fall out.

/fair warning. ;-)

896 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 24, 2008 2:34:47am

re: #893 Fenway_Nation

Did the Patriarcha clan get any mention?

Well, yeah, Whiteys a premier fugitive.

/will you drive though th Big Dig tunnels

897 AmeriDan  Sat, May 24, 2008 2:36:52am

re: #874 gop_patriot

He's a great guy, smart, and very aware politically. Most of his friends are, too- even more so than their parents.

They're all looking forward to voting for the first time this fall; my son is looking forward especially to voting against Hillary or Obama in this election. LOL

Too bad he doesn't have a real Republican to vote for his first time. Oh well, tell him to hold his nose pull the lever.

898 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 24, 2008 2:39:54am

re: #896 Killian Bundy

Well, yeah, Whiteys a premier fugitive.

/will you drive though th Big Dig tunnels

I think the Patriarcha clan was Whitey's providence-based Sicilian rivals. And like it or not, I've already been through some of those tunnels....Ted Williams must be spinning in his cryogenic freezer grave knowing one of those is named after him...

BTW, will this weeks flooding in Chile (no doubt brought on by Gore-bull warming) affect the price of copper on the commodities market, KB? I've been to Chile before and the impression I get is that the majority of the copper mining is done in the northern/Atacama desert, while these floods struck well to the south of Santiago (altho the article did mention that the country's largest underground mine was shut down due to the floods)....

899 littleoldlady  Sat, May 24, 2008 2:49:17am
900 gop_patriot  Sat, May 24, 2008 2:50:01am

re: #895 littleoldlady

LOL!

re: #897 AmeriDan

We've talked about it, I told him how I missed voting for Reagan in 84 by just a few weeks. So he knows that I feel his pain. LOL

901 gop_patriot  Sat, May 24, 2008 2:50:30am

re: #899 littleoldlady

See you later, I'm outta here too. :)
Bye y'all

902 AmeriDan  Sat, May 24, 2008 2:51:56am

I'm gone too. Night all.

903 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 24, 2008 2:56:22am

re: #899 littleoldlady

re: #901 gop_patriot

re: #902 AmeriDan

Must be all this talk about floods in Chile, the price of commodities and geriatric gangsters of New England that's putting everyone to sleep.

904 galloping granny  Sat, May 24, 2008 3:14:35am

Are you folks all hiding over here? Any fruitcup left?

905 EE  Sat, May 24, 2008 4:36:22am

Obama and the Obamites have a thing for playing the victim card. Actually, ALL of the presidential candidates have to take a physical risk in doing the work of being a candidate. And the Secret Service bodyguards whose duty it is to protect the candidates are supposed to sacrifice their own lives to save the person that they are protecting. These bodyguards have to face this risk every minute of every day that they are on the job.

This is not the first time that anybody has mentioned the assassination of Robert Kennedy, which was carried out by the deranged Palestinian living in America, Sirhan Sirhan. But if Hillary refers to this historical fact, somehow it is interpreted by the Obama campaign as an attack on Obama. Or as a curse on Obama.

Look at the difference in how the candidates have responded to physical danger.

McCain was in the military service, was captured by the enemy, and was tortured, but refused to be released early before his fellow prisoners were released.

Hillary's trip to Bosnia was NOT a trip to the beach, despite the efforts of the Obamites to portray it that way. See the article by two staff members that accompanied her, Lissa Muscatine and Melanne Verveer, for concerning the dangers that were faced in that trip.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

But the Obama war story is very different. It consists entirely of the fact that somebody mentioned the assassination of Robert Kennedy.

Clearly one of the candidates is very much a wimp. Not only with regard to his foreign policy -- which consists of appeasement -- but also with regard to coping with physical danger to himself. And that most wimpish of the candidates is Barack Obama.

906 Sceptic Tank  Sat, May 24, 2008 5:14:42am

The Dragon Lady brought down by the vast left-wing conspiracy. Ironic in this tragic election.

907 Cowardkerry  Sat, May 24, 2008 5:31:18am

Don't think she is so innocent, if she were the VP old Obsama would be watching his back. These are the Clintons. Vince Foster found that out the hard way.

908 nadadhimmi  Sat, May 24, 2008 5:54:32am

The vast Left Wing Conspiracy

909 Mich-again  Sat, May 24, 2008 5:55:22am

re: #567 realwest

Hey Mich! What's the commercial for - I mean what product or service?

I signed out too early to see your question.. Its a promotional spot about summertime festivals in and around Detroit. Kids do all the talking.

910 Joel  Sat, May 24, 2008 6:03:17am

I caught Olbermann's vitriolic Goebbels like spew last night. The man is a total joke. I am surprised (actually I should not be) that Saturday Night Live doe snot parody him. He actually does that "Good night and good luck" Murrow interpretation with a straight face. Also that rats nest that sits on his head has got to go.

911 FrogMarch  Sat, May 24, 2008 6:13:11am

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy.

That's what made Bill's zipper go down all the time.
Is the VRWC operating Hillary's mouth? Oddly - I don't think anyone on the right would say such a thing.

912 FrogMarch  Sat, May 24, 2008 6:18:12am

re: #31 mikeinmd

It's not like Hillary doesn't know these people...or the reaction over saying something like this.

Just thinking.

yeah. Since when does Hillary - the most calculating politician on the planet - make a goof like this? The whole thing is very odd. Maybe she is giving Obama an excuse not to pick her so her supporters will have an easier time pulling the lever for the Obamessiah.

913 FrogMarch  Sat, May 24, 2008 6:20:21am

Is she making it easy for everyone to throw her under the bus?
or is she just the worst candidate ever? Either way, I'm happy. I can't stand that phony power hungry witch. Not that any modern democrat is a consolation prize. They are all scary.

914 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, May 24, 2008 6:57:19am
915 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, May 24, 2008 7:06:08am
916 Perplexed  Sat, May 24, 2008 7:07:51am

Well, at least she didn't mention Arkancide which some of her and her hubby associates have suffered from.

Sad. I hope the folks in NY might consider not re-electing her to the Senate.

917 Perplexed  Sat, May 24, 2008 7:10:14am

re: #911 FrogMarch

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy.

That's what made Bill's zipper go down all the time.
Is the VRWC operating Hillary's mouth? Oddly - I don't think anyone on the right would say such a thing.

Silly, it is the Rovian Mind Control Ray, that did that and other embarrassing things to the Clintons. Didn't you get the last VWRC historical briefing?

918 tappin52  Sat, May 24, 2008 7:18:27am

You know, now that I think about it, Obama very well could be a Muslim considering how he is perpetually offended.

919 LeonidasOfSparta  Sat, May 24, 2008 7:47:45am

re: #918 tappin52

wow. I had thought that he was muslim (in a christian church that would embrace his "muslim" militancy) simply because of the facts surrounding his childhood; but your "indicator"-- BHussein's overwhelming sensitivity to everyone and everything questioning his opinions, his ability, his character-- you have hit the nail on the head.

I stand by my opinion-- he's a muslim trojanhorse.

920 Roger  Sat, May 24, 2008 7:50:58am

re: #39 rorschach