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CAIR Sabotaging Anti-Terror Training in Seattle

Sat, May 24, 2008 at 9:53:52 am PDT

In Seattle, the Hamas-linked Council on American Islamic Relations is doing what it always does—sabotaging efforts to educate law enforcers about Islamic terrorism: Does course on Islam give law enforcers wrong idea?

And again, the Seattle Times quotes representatives of CAIR without a single word about their ties to terrorist groups or their status as an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation Hamas funding trial.

Some local Muslim community members are upset about a training course for local law enforcement, saying it could promote stereotypes and ethnic and religious profiling.

The program, called “The Threat of Islamic Jihadists to the World” and conducted by a Miami-based company, began Thursday and continues today at the Port of Seattle. It is billed as providing insight into the formative phases of Islam, the religion’s different branches, radical Islam and how to respond to terrorist acts.

But Arsalan Bukhari, president of the Washington state chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), said the program appears to be linking an entire religion to terrorism.

“Most police officers don’t have a basic grounding in Islam, so before you teach them about Islam, how can you teach them about radical Islam?” he asked. “It just makes you nervous because when a law-enforcement person pulls someone over, when they see a Muslim person or someone who appears Muslim to them — all this information they just learned kicks in.”

Bukhari believes the need for police training on issues of profiling and bias was highlighted by an incident last summer in which the FBI launched an international search for two men who took photos below deck on a Washington state ferry. The FBI announced earlier this month that the men were tourists, not terrorists. Bukhari said law-enforcement agencies need to learn about Islam, but not just in the context of terrorism.

But Solomon Bradman, CEO of Security Solutions International, which is conducting the program, said, “I can’t take the responsibility of my course linking their religion to terrorism. I think their religion got linked to terrorism a long time ago.”

And the police chief of the Port of Seattle is embracing the terror-linked Saudi-funded front group.

Port Police Chief Colleen Wilson met with local CAIR representatives and offered to have them come in to do additional training. Bukhari said CAIR intends to do so.

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1 zombie  Sat, May 24, 2008 9:56:53am

CAIR up to their usual tricks.

2 debutaunt  Sat, May 24, 2008 9:56:56am

We've got to be CAIRfully taught.

3 M. Bensson-Levi  Sat, May 24, 2008 9:57:01am

The JIHADIS strike again.

4 Sharmuta  Sat, May 24, 2008 9:57:02am

It's islamophobia! Get the SROCFORRDXARI to Seattle stat!

5 laZardo  Sat, May 24, 2008 9:57:25am
“It just makes you nervous because when a law-enforcement person pulls someone over, when they see a Muslim person or someone who appears Muslim to them — all this information they just learned kicks in.”

Replace "Muslim" with any oppressed minority and you have the textbook hippies' Oppressed People of the Week quote.

6 zombie  Sat, May 24, 2008 9:57:46am

How can so many law enforcement leaders be so ignorant of CAIR's true nature?

7 zombie  Sat, May 24, 2008 9:57:55am

OT (non-tech-heads please ignore this):

Anybody here know a thing or two about CSS styles for web pages?

I'm trying to figure out how to achieve the following effect, but have been unable to get it to work:

Within a single "link" (group of words that link to another page), I want some of the text to start as black and then change to red when "hovered" over, and ALSO some of the text to start as white yet also change to red when "hovered" over.

I can easily set it up to have a style for specifying the "active" "visited" and "hover" states of a link. That's no problem. But when I override the color of some of the words with some html code, it also overrides the "hover" state; and when I try to set up two different CSS link-styles, I can't get them to both work within the same link, no matter which way I configure it.

I can have one link be black-red and then immediately afterward another link be white-red, but the whole point is to have the effect be contained within a single link.

Is it even possible? And if so, how?

8 debutaunt  Sat, May 24, 2008 9:58:07am

re: #4 Sharmuta

The second meaning of that word sounds like one heck of a curse.

9 MandyManners  Sat, May 24, 2008 9:58:37am

I wonder what Bruce Ramsey thinks.

10 MandyManners  Sat, May 24, 2008 9:58:55am

re: #6 zombie

How can so many law enforcement leaders be so ignorant of CAIR's true nature?

They're parochial.

11 The Albatross  Sat, May 24, 2008 9:58:57am

An oldie but goodie from Anti CAIR: Council on American-Islamic Relations Exposed

12 jaunte  Sat, May 24, 2008 9:59:29am
But Solomon Bradman, CEO of Security Solutions International, which is conducting the program, said, “I can’t take the responsibility of my course linking their religion to terrorism. I think their religion got linked to terrorism a long time ago.”

Congratulations to Mr. Bradman on his clarity.

13 JammieWearingFool  Sat, May 24, 2008 9:59:30am

Tim 'Burger Boy' Townsend must be getting a tingle up his leg.

14 vapig  Sat, May 24, 2008 9:59:46am

Some local Muslim community members are upset about a training course for local law enforcement, saying it could promote stereotypes and ethnic and religious profiling.

Psssttt! Are they kidding? Murdering jihadis are doing a rip-roaring job of that all by themselves!

15 lobosan5  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:00:35am

that's because, in part, the police chief is a woman....& women are sensitive to ppl's feelings being hurt....I mean...commom.......can't we all get along?

16 laZardo  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:00:49am

re: #14 vapig

But Solomon Bradman, CEO of Security Solutions International, which is conducting the program, said, “I can’t take the responsibility of my course linking their religion to terrorism. I think their religion got linked to terrorism a long time ago.”

Well, you're not alone in agreement.

17 The Albatross  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:01:12am
18 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:01:37am

re: #7 zombie

"The Art & Science of CSS" by Cameron Adams, Jina Bolton, David Johnson, Steve Smith, Jonathan Snook. ISBN-10: 0-9758419-7-1

or

"HTML the Definitive Guide" by Chuck Musciano & Bill Kennedy ISBN 1-56592-492-4

19 anand  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:01:47am
Most police officers don’t have a basic grounding in Islam, so before you teach them about Islam, how can you teach them about radical Islam?

He's right you know. Cops should also be forced to do drugs, rob banks, sell drugs and be pimps. Without a basic grounding in those things, how can you teach them about arresting people who do drugs, rob banks etc etc?

20 Sharmuta  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:02:06am
“Most police officers don’t have a basic grounding in Islam, so before you teach them about Islam, how can you teach them about radical Islam?” he asked.

Just give them the koran and let them figure it out for themselves.

21 Sifty  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:02:18am

Unindicted co-shitheads.

Hey US government guys.

In case we have not been clear enough for you:
There are real terrorist supporters in CAIR, so how about investigating them a little bit?
Even if it's just on the weekends or during commercials.
Find out what the CAIR mafia is really trying to do.
Then please go find them and arrest them.

22 zombie  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:02:42am

re: #18 Conservative in Liberal Hands

I've looked at a zillion reference pages but none of them seem to even address this issue.

23 lobosan5  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:02:59am

or is Colleen a man's name....ahhhhh.....to be so gender-neutral....when everything is all the same & nothing is everything else &....is that a knife you are carrying!?!

24 jaunte  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:03:54am

re: #3 M. Bensson-Levi

This is the "fard bovina" known to kuffar as the 'jihad of bullshit.'

25 seekeroftruth  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:04:19am
Bukhari believes the need for police training on issues of profiling and bias was highlighted by an incident last summer in which the FBI launched an international search for two men who took photos below deck on a Washington state ferry.


The police and FBI did exactly what they were supposed to do. I'm really tired of the bad guys - unindicted Hamas group - running the show here and the MSM helping them do it.

26 vapig  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:05:00am

re: #16 laZardo

Yeah I was just going to post that part - but you and #12 jaunte beat me to it!

I just really wish these indicted co-conspirators would be declared a terrorist group, stripped of their charity/activist titles and exemptions and thrown out of the US - after freezing all their assets first, of course.

27 Oingo Boingo  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:06:15am

I'm from Seattle.

And Seattle is a great place to be FROM.

28 M. Bensson-Levi  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:06:24am

re: #6 zombie

It's because PC is a form of Moral and Mental decay. Sort of like a societal Alzheimer's disease. It's a progressive ( the pun's applicable, although not intended) deterioration of reason and intellectual function terminating in death.

29 conservativeChick  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:06:39am

Charles as someone who lives in western Washington all I can tell you is that Washington state is lawless. The cops are some of the worst and most PC cops in the country(which is a shame because my grandpa was a state patrolmen and they were once never like this). They do nothing when there are riots. Remember the riots in Seattle, the Ports in Olympia and the Evergreen State college. The anarchistic and college liberals rule this state.

30 Syrah  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:06:46am

The only significant difference between Seattle and San Francisco is that the weather here is just a little too cool and unpredictable for Seattle to have Folsom Street Fair of its own.

But give them enough time. . .

Mayor Nichols = Mayor Newsom.

31 vapig  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:07:22am

re: #27 Oingo Boingo

LOL! That's funny!

I'm from the San Franfreakshow, Bay area. I hear ya......

32 yesandno  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:07:53am

Something for that DouDou person to investigate no doubt!

and at the Diene of the day, his eyes will be brown...

Oh wait, they already are...

33 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:09:20am

re: #22 zombie

Like I said in a previous thread... "Capt. Obvious Here..." Sorry 'bout that...

I suspect that a "span" tag with a custom style of formatting definition covering the effected text should work. Hope that helps. I gotta get out of here and back to honey-do's and mowing the lawn.

34 rwmofo  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:12:03am

Bukhari believes the need for police training on issues of profiling and bias was highlighted by an incident last summer in which the FBI launched an international search for two men who took photos below deck on a Washington state ferry. The FBI announced earlier this month that the men were tourists, not terrorists.

OK, so let's follow CAIR's lead and start ignoring anyone who may appear to be suspicious.

35 WayDownSouthInBama  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:13:30am
“Most police officers don’t have a basic grounding in Islam,

I think we have learned enough about Islam to know where the terrorists are coming from.

36 Syrah  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:14:40am

re: #34 rwmofo

That must be why they have stepped up the security around the Ferry Systems here.

Tourist? Taking pictures of engine room hatch covers?

37 jaunte  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:16:02am

re: #36 Syrah

"The FBI announced earlier this month that the men were tourists, not terrorists."
Why would the FBI announce that they had a line on a group of spies?

38 zombie  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:16:42am

re: #33 Conservative in Liberal Hands

I suspect that a "span" tag with a custom style of formatting definition covering the effected text should work. Hope that helps. I gotta get out of here and back to honey-do's and mowing the lawn.

Hmmmm. I just tried a "span" tage but it also overrode the "hover" state, like my other attempts. If you come back from your chores -- more specific instructions?

39 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:16:43am

Gotta to go and mow the lawns and do honey do projects. Have a Safe and Happy Memorial Day Weekend, Lizards!

40 Tumulus11  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:17:26am
'But Arsalan Bukhari, president of the Washington state chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), said the program appears to be linking an entire religion to terrorism.'

. And the Surgeon-General appears to be linking cigarette smoking with an increased risk of lung cancer, heart disease and emphysema.

41 laZardo  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:17:48am

On the lighter side today... Saturday Afternoon Paperclips.

42 MandyManners  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:20:12am

Hiya', Hoopie, ya' shit-slinging minkey.

Have a great day, Lizards!

43 laZardo  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:21:01am

re: #42 MandyManners

Cheers.

44 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:22:47am

re: #38 zombie

Sorry 'bout that. I posted just before checking for new comments. I asked Charles to pass you my e-mail address. I'm at work but leaving ASAP. Ask Charles to pass your e-mail address to me as well. I'll respond directly to you on Tuesday afternoon (CDT).

45 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:23:24am
“Most police officers don’t have a basic grounding in Islam, so before you teach them about Islam, how can you teach them about radical Islam?” he asked.

How long before CAIR chapters across the country begin petitioning local governments to ensure law enforcement graduates are educated in Madrasah Studies at approved mosques before badges and side arms are issued?

46 opnion  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:24:03am

Fact is stranger than fiction. The difference between our situation & the situation in Madrid during the Spanish Civil War, is that here the Fifth Column CAIR operates openly

47 M. Bensson-Levi  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:25:57am

re: #24 jaunte

Well put.

The Jihad is omni faceted, and omni directional, and easily adapted to BS modes, as the entire enterprise is founded on nothing else.

How you doin' today? Warm, sunny weather has finally arrived in my part of the world, and I'm going hiking in the mountains today. Just got my gear in order, and I'm getting ready to head out. Good sense dictates that I should have a companion, but most folks just talk too much, and I rather like being alone. I have my cell phone, I've left my probable route with my wife, and I carry so heavy that I'm prepared for just about anything ( an old habit). Besides, LIFE IS A RISK FACTOR.

I'm prepared to enjoy the day. Hope that you have a good one.

If you never hear from me again, REMEMBER JIM FIXX!

48 Syrah  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:26:01am

re: #37 jaunte

Maybe they were tourist.

The FBI is probably right.

I hope they are right.

49 Sifty  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:27:04am

Not all bites are dog bites, but all dog bites are dog bites. If you go to school to learn about dog bites, they are going to have to talk about the types of dogs that bite most often and bite the hardest.

So, if you are angry that they talk about your favorite type of dog so much at dog bite school, perhaps you should do something about how often your favorite type of dog bites? Perhaps you should encourage your favorite type of dog to get some better coping skills.

Don't expect dog bite school to teach too much about chihuahuas when they should be talking about pit bulls.

And don't expect the teacher to teach that we should ignore the rabid wolf growling in the corner

Savvy CAIR smacktards?

50 laZardo  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:32:19am

And it's 1:30 AM and I has to sleep. z_z Nighty!

51 Wilderstad  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:33:44am

Why does CAIR continue to have any credibility with the media? I think Steve Emerson has been pretty thorough in outlining exactly what and who they are and police departments should be smarter than the average media shill.

52 jaunte  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:34:12am

re: #47 M. Bensson-Levi

Enjoy your day; many happy returns!

53 rwmofo  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:37:50am

re: #51 Wilderstad

Why does CAIR continue to have any credibility with the media? I think Steve Emerson has been pretty thorough in outlining exactly what and who they are and police departments should be smarter than the average media shill.

It's always great theatre any time Steve Emerson appears on Hannity & Colmes. Colmes hates Emerson and Emerson doesn't suffer fools lightly.

54 vapig  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:38:41am

re: #51 Wilderstad

Because they are fellow travelers, traveling to the same destination - the destruction of a free capitalist America.

55 Sharmuta  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:40:15am

re: #51 Wilderstad

Sadly, my guess is most reporters and police officers alike would say, "Steve who?"

56 jcm  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:41:44am

re: #51 Wilderstad

Why does CAIR continue to have any credibility with the media? I think Steve Emerson has been pretty thorough in outlining exactly what and who they are and police departments should be smarter than the average media shill.

What re: #54 vapig said.

In Seattle the street cops are savvy enough. But they've got the usual cast of characters at the upper echelons of the Police. PC rules all.

57 republic  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:43:47am

cair and every islmofascist human butcher both study from the same loran and other islamic teachings.

Would somebody please show me in the koran, which both cair and every islmofascist human butcher studies, and show me anything other than how and why to kill "infidels"?

58 reno911  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:43:49am

re: #6 zombie

The same reason 50% of the country will be voting for BHO.

My theory is that half of this country has not read a book since high school, or if they went to college errrrrr leftist indoctrination, then since that time.

59 The Albatross  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:44:12am
60 schultzw  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:45:54am

Because it's us typical white folks who associate Islam to terror, not the terrorists who bastardize that religion.

61 rwmofo  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:46:27am

re: #58 reno911

The same reason 50% of the country will be voting for BHO.

My theory is that half of this country has not read a book since high school, or if they went to college errrrrr leftist indoctrination, then since that time.

...and in a nutshell, you just defined leftist politicians' target demographic.

62 schultzw  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:47:41am

re: #58 reno911

In the US government class I just finished at college, we spent more time talking about healthcare than we did about terrorism, though it's not hard to do so when you basically say nothing about terrorism.

63 alexwest  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:49:10am

re: #22 zombie

Zombie, are you familiar with: http://www.w3schools.com/CSS/css_pseudo_classes.as p

You may have to define a distinct class for your links with the hover transition. w3schools.com css references and tutorials should give you the building blocks for it.

64 jcm  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:49:39am

re: #62 schultzw

In the US government class I just finished at college, we spent more time talking about healthcare than we did about terrorism, though it's not hard to do so when you basically say nothing about terrorism.

Did anyone in class, where is the Constitutional authority for government to be involved in healthcare?

65 vapig  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:50:26am
#56 jcm 5/24/08 10:41:44 am reply quote 0

re: #51 Wilderstad

Why does CAIR continue to have any credibility with the media? I think Steve Emerson has been pretty thorough in outlining exactly what and who they are and police departments should be smarter than the average media shill.

What re: #54 vapig said.

In Seattle the street cops are savvy enough. But they've got the usual cast of characters at the upper echelons of the Police. PC rules all.

PC is fascism disguised as manner - said by some smart person

Actually, I was addressing the media's stunning collaboration with our enemies - islam. Their stunning silence of violent crimes committed here and abroad by these thugs and they report it once and it goes away. They also always excuse it as some mentally ill person or as la one loon. I would seriously like to see someone actually list all the attacks and thwarted attacks in this country by muslims listed somewhere where people could actually SEE the number of them. I think they would be surprised - and angry - at the number of them and how the MSM has buried them.

66 syndicate  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:50:55am

Wonder if CAIR going to bring in someone from Hamas for show and tell?

67 republic  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:51:25am

re: #64 jcm

Did anyone in class, where is the Constitutional authority for government to be involved in healthcare?


It's not in the Constitution, it's in the Democrat/Marxist handbook.

"I'm from the Federal government, and I'm here to help"

Bwahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

68 schultzw  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:51:43am

re: #64 jcm

yeah, I did. Got the whole spiel, "if you didn't have health insurance, you would think it's a right." So I had to be the voice of reason and say that there is no right, anywhere in the great Constitution.

69 schultzw  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:52:30am

re: #67 republic

If anyone comes to my door and ever says that, I might die laughing.

70 opnion  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:52:53am

I hate to brake bad on Bush, because the Left is all over him.
However a lot of this refusing to see the truth about Islam he instigated.
After 9/11 informing us that this was a peaceful religion , hijacked by a small minority. I know that he was trying to avoid violence against Muslims & he meant well. The truth is that Americans are very reasoned & his remarks were not helpful.
Most people will not take the steps to educate themslves.

71 republic  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:53:49am

re: #69 schultzw

If anyone comes to my door and ever says that, I might die laughing.


I paraphrased a great Ronald Reagan quote.

Not many more true words have been spoken.

72 wolfie  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:54:24am

re: #15 lobosan5

that's because, in part, the police chief is a woman....& women are sensitive to ppl's feelings being hurt....I mean...commom.......can't we all get along?

re: #23 lobosan5

or is Colleen a man's name....ahhhhh.....to be so gender-neutral....when everything is all the same & nothing is everything else &....is that a knife you are carrying!?!

I am going to stick my neck out here and tentatively agree with you.
The culture has been over-feminized.
The first and most grievous error the Enlightened made was to lower physical standards in fire depts, police depts, and military academies in order to allow women to "pass" admission in significant numbers. Like any other form of affirmation action, it violates justice, but more importantly, it sends a message that the Feminine is at least as important as the Masculine in these particular jobs. This is not good.

/mild-mannered lady ducks for cover

73 Racer X  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:54:47am

Islam means "submit".

Stop asking questions.

74 jcm  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:55:40am

re: #68 schultzw

yeah, I did. Got the whole spiel, "if you didn't have health insurance, you would think it's a right." So I had to be the voice of reason and say that there is no right, anywhere in the great Constitution.

Good on you!

I tried once to explain rights are the individuals to be exercised. And cannot be anything granted to the individual, and above all cannot place demands on any other individual.

Might as well have been talking to the walls.

75 republic  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:56:33am

re: #73 Racer X

Islam means "submit".

Stop asking questions.


It says "kill the unbelievers(infidels)" 60 times.

I guess that's a form of submission.

76 Wilderstad  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:56:36am

re: #65 vapig

PC is fascism disguised as manner - said by some smart person

Actually, I was addressing the media's stunning collaboration with our enemies - islam. Their stunning silence of violent crimes committed here and abroad by these thugs and they report it once and it goes away. They also always excuse it as some mentally ill person or as la one loon. I would seriously like to see someone actually list all the attacks and thwarted attacks in this country by muslims listed somewhere where people could actually SEE the number of them. I think they would be surprised - and angry - at the number of them and how the MSM has buried them.

www.thereligionofpeace.com has that information , of course the left will dismiss the facts as propaganda and racism.

77 missouri boy  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:58:32am

“I can’t take the responsibility of my course linking their religion to terrorism. I think their religion got linked to terrorism a long time ago.”

Exactly....iSlam inventor, mohammad was a terrorist.

78 vapig  Sat, May 24, 2008 10:59:29am

re: #72 wolfie

No need to duck - as another lady I totally agree with everything you just said! We need to put the MEN back in the Firemen and Policemen, etc! Cut the person crap!

79 jcm  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:00:23am

re: #78 vapig

No need to duck - as another lady I totally agree with everything you just said! We need to put the MEN back in the Firemen and Policemen, etc! Cut the person crap!

PC name for letter carrier....
Person person.

*ducking*
;-)

80 vapig  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:00:41am

re: #76 Wilderstad

Thank you! I will definately check it out!

81 akak  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:00:47am

re: #77 missouri boy

“I can’t take the responsibility of my course linking their religion to terrorism. I think their religion got linked to terrorism a long time ago.”

Exactly....iSlam inventor, mohammad was a terrorist.


Qur'an 8:59 "The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them. They are your enemy and Allah's enemy."

82 Spiny Norman  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:01:01am

re: #51 Wilderstad

Why does CAIR continue to have any credibility with the media?

Why does Al Sharpton have any credibility with the media? Because they (like Rev. Al) have convinced a substantial majority of the media that their critics are simply "racist", and there is nothing worse to the nervous nellies in charge of the media outlets than to be associated in any way with anything that might be perceived as "racist". It is the "scarlet letter" of our politically correct age.

I think Steve Emerson has been pretty thorough in outlining exactly what and who they are and police departments should be smarter than the average media shill.

Steve Emerson has no credibility outside the "dextrosphere" and talk radio, sad to say. He had the misfortune of being widely quoted that the Oklahoma City bombing had all the hallmarks of an Islamic terrorist attack - which it did, it's just the terrorists weren't Islamic. He has been considered a "paranoid racist kook" by most of the MSM and the Left ever since.

83 schultzw  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:01:45am

re: #76 Wilderstad

but Islam isn't a race...

yet folks claim anything spoken against Islam is racism!

84 vapig  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:02:10am

re: #79 jcm

Person Person?! ROTFLMAO!

85 Sharmuta  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:02:47am

re: #82 Spiny Norman

Why does Al Sharpton have any credibility with the media? Because they (like Rev. Al) have convinced a substantial majority of the media that their critics are simply "racist", and there is nothing worse to the nervous nellies in charge of the media outlets than to be associated in any way with anything that might be perceived as "racist". It is the "scarlet letter" of our politically correct age.

Which is exactly why they're treating obama with such kid gloves.

86 debutaunt  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:03:32am

re: #70 opnion

I hate to brake (break)? bad on Bush, because the Left is all over him.
However a lot of this refusing to see the truth about Islam he instigated.
After 9/11 informing us that this was a peaceful religion , hijacked by a small minority. I know that he was trying to avoid violence against Muslims & he meant well. The truth is that Americans are very reasoned & his remarks were not helpful.
Most people will not take the steps to educate themslves.

87 wolfie  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:04:22am

re: #78 vapig

No need to duck - as another lady I totally agree with everything you just said! We need to put the MEN back in the Firemen and Policemen, etc! Cut the person crap!

Amen.

88 republic  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:04:37am

Barack Hussein Obama would do nothing but try and appease the very enemies that want America destroyed, and if anyone thinks that political correctness is run a muck now, wait until there is a Dem President, with a veto proof Dem Congress.

Even if McCain gets in, the Dem Congress may very well be veto proof.

They will totally dismantle the U.S. Constitution, after they have added 3 left of Ginsberg Supreme Court Justices.

Add another 1500-2000 leftist wacko kook Federal judges around the country, and their agenda will seem complete.

What we see as a bad craziness now, will look like the good old times in the not too distant future.

89 kansas  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:04:49am

And in a related story, the fox was invited to attend security and sensitivity training in the hen house.

90 akak  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:05:50am

re: #82 Spiny Norman

Steve Emerson has no credibility outside the "dextrosphere" and talk radio, sad to say. He had the misfortune of being widely quoted that the Oklahoma City bombing had all the hallmarks of an Islamic terrorist attack - which it did, it's just the terrorists weren't Islamic. He has been considered a "paranoid racist kook" by most of the MSM and the Left ever since.

Why would the FBI not say Hussein al- Husseini was ruled out of the OKC bombing?

Pretty sure Ramsi Youssef was Islamic too...

When Yossef Bodansky say's it was Islamic, I think I'll trust his word as opposed to the Clinton adminiastration.

91 debutaunt  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:06:32am

re: #87 wolfie

Amen.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAAA

Aperson

92 kansas  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:07:16am

Why does CAIR continue to have any credibility with the media?

Why does Al Sharpton have any credibility with the media?

Could it be, El Guapo, that the media has no credibility?

93 republic  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:07:40am

Have a great day all, it's time to go to the range and cling to my guns, happy, of course.

94 opnion  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:08:23am

re: #85 Sharmuta

Which is exactly why they're treating obama with such kid gloves.


Yup, there is a shameless attempt to inoculate Barry from criticism or even scrutiny.
Howard Dean has done it, Bob Beckle, the lovely Michell & the MSM etc.
It is really a clever tactic because many will succum to White Guilt.
With others there will be a backlash Which way people go in numbers will probably determine the election.

95 jcm  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:08:42am

re: #93 republic

Have a great day all, it's time to go to the range and cling to my guns, happy, of course.

I need to do that too soon!

96 Roentgen  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:08:52am

When the banlieue of Paris were burning, the media persistently described the instigators only as "youths." Maybe the Seattle Police can learn to recognize "youths;" maybe it will become their codeword.

97 jcm  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:09:29am

re: #92 kansas

Why does CAIR continue to have any credibility with the media?

Why does Al Sharpton have any credibility with the media?

Could it be, El Guapo, that the media has no credibility?

Hmmmm! Media credibility...
Now there's a concept.

98 vapig  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:10:18am

re: #91 debutaunt

grooooaaaannn!

99 snowcrash  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:10:29am

The authorities know the Space Needle is an iconic symbol on the west coast and an appealing target. The ferry system is an easy target for maritime terrorism too. CAIR can say whatever it wants about racial/religious sensitivity training but law enforcement and the FBI are not stupid regarding the origins of the biggest security threats.

100 bosforus  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:11:12am

re: #99 snowcrash

The authorities know the Space Needle is an iconic symbol on the west coast and an appealing target. The ferry system is an easy target for maritime terrorism too. CAIR can say whatever it wants about racial/religious sensitivity training but law enforcement and the FBI are not stupid regarding the origins of the biggest security threats.

Let's see 'em go after the Grand Canyon.

101 alegrias  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:11:17am

re: #70 opnion

I hate to brake bad on Bush, because the Left is all over him.
However a lot of this refusing to see the truth about Islam he instigated.
After 9/11 informing us that this was a peaceful religion , hijacked by a small minority. I know that he was trying to avoid violence against Muslims & he meant well. The truth is that Americans are very reasoned & his remarks were not helpful.
Most people will not take the steps to educate themslves.

* * *
I know you mean well, but you are slamming President Bush because some Americans expect their President to do their thinking for them.

Americans in Washington state are doing this. Any American can read history, watch news and figure out it is a violent radical ideology we're fighting, and some of our own citizens WELCOME that ideology as their own.

102 vapig  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:11:20am

re: #93 republic


Don't forget to bring your Bible and xenophobia with you!

Have a great day!

103 Roentgen  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:11:41am

re: #99 snowcrash

The authorities know the Space Needle is an iconic symbol on the west coast and an appealing target. The ferry system is an easy target for maritime terrorism too. CAIR can say whatever it wants about racial/religious sensitivity training but law enforcement and the FBI are not stupid regarding the origins of the biggest security threats.

I pray you are right.

104 Spiny Norman  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:12:11am

re: #70 opnion

I hate to brake bad on Bush, because the Left is all over him. However a lot of this refusing to see the truth about Islam he instigated. After 9/11 informing us that this was a peaceful religion, hijacked by a small minority. I know that he was trying to avoid violence against Muslims & he meant well. The truth is that Americans are very reasoned & his remarks were not helpful. Most people will not take the steps to educate themselves.

His remarks were, most of all, unnecessary. There wasn't going to be a "wave of violence" against Muslims in this country, because you are absolutely correct: Americans are very reasonable people. Even our Leftists are "reasonable", at least compared to genuine Leftist radicals in other countries. Ours mostly just like to shoot off their mouths on the Internet, or stage ridiculous "Look at me, Daddy!" street theater. The truly dangerous are few and far between.

No, his remarks did more harm than good, because they appeared weak to our enemies, to whom an "appearance of strength" is everything. Osama, if he still breathes, is hiding in a deep hole like a coward, but appears "strong" to many in the Islamic world because we've been unable to capture him.

105 vapig  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:12:34am

re: #100 bosforus

Hoover Dam?

106 jcm  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:12:41am

re: #96 Roentgen

When the banlieue of Paris were burning, the media persistently described the instigators only as "youths." Maybe the Seattle Police can learn to recognize "youths;" maybe it will become their codeword.

Seattle?!

Mardi Gras 2001.

During the incident, Police Chief Gil Kerlikowske ordered the police at the scene not to intervene, instead maintaining a perimeter around the violence, supposedly because he feared escalation.

Chris Kime was beaten to death while SPD stood by.

107 Sharmuta  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:13:17am

re: #88 republic

OK- I've mentioned this before and I'm going to mention it again. The House is completely up for re-election and 1/3 of the Senate. Congress may not be dem after November. We have to quit handing them the Congress by default in our rhetoric. We should be just as intent to take Congress back as retain the White House!

108 wolfie  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:14:54am

re: #82 Spiny Norman

The whole idea of a "spokesman," excuse me, "spokesperson" for a whole group is in itself stupid and purely a media contrivance. They want a story line and have to have someone to give X-group's opinion for the cameras.
Most people seem to buy this little charade. A public figure makes a gaffe that is deemed anti-black, and to make amends they apologize to Sharpton or JJackson. Why?
But notice it is always the radicals, charlatans, and whacko activists that insinuate themselves into this role. In the heyday of feminism, NOW spoke for me (spit), hucksters speak for blacks, CAIR sleazeballs now speak for Muslims, and La Raza attempts to speak for "Hispanics." They know the media game.

109 Roentgen  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:14:56am

re: #106 jcm

Chris Kime was beaten to death while SPD stood by.

Holy crap!

110 jcm  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:15:06am

re: #107 Sharmuta

OK- I've mentioned this before and I'm going to mention it again. The House is completely up for re-election and 1/3 of the Senate. Congress may not be dem after November. We have to quit handing them the Congress by default in our rhetoric. We should be just as intent to take Congress back as retain the White House!

DING DING DING!

If Denver turns out to be Thunderdome, a lot of folks will be thinking twice about people with a (D) behind their name.

111 opnion  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:15:19am

re: #101 alegrias

* * *
I know you mean well, but you are slamming President Bush because some Americans expect their President to do their thinking for them.

Americans in Washington state are doing this. Any American can read history, watch news and figure out it is a violent radical ideology we're fighting, and some of our own citizens WELCOME that ideology as their own.


Right, but he went way out of his way to convince people that Islam is peaceful. You hav to know that his administration knew that many people would just take him at his word. I have heard Muslim spokesmen quote Bush.
My point is even if he was not going to deomonize Islam It was a mistake to defend it.

112 vapig  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:15:22am

re: #107 Sharmuta

Agreed!

113 opnion  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:16:27am

re: #104 Spiny Norman

His remarks were, most of all, unnecessary. There wasn't going to be a "wave of violence" against Muslims in this country, because you are absolutely correct: Americans are very reasonable people. Even our Leftists are "reasonable", at least compared to genuine Leftist radicals in other countries. Ours mostly just like to shoot off their mouths on the Internet, or stage ridiculous "Look at me, Daddy!" street theater. The truly dangerous are few and far between.

No, his remarks did more harm than good, because they appeared weak to our enemies, to whom an "appearance of strength" is everything. Osama, if he still breathes, is hiding in a deep hole like a coward, but appears "strong" to many in the Islamic world because we've been unable to capture him.

Well said.

114 Sharmuta  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:17:38am

And I certainly hope any people pissed off enough to not vote for mccain still go vote for Congress! Do not forsake the Capitol!

115 rwmofo  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:17:40am

OT: In case you haven't seen Maxine Waters stuttering through her claim that "the government should take over all the oil companies," check this out.

Watch the two people over her right shoulder (don't know if they're representatives or staff aides - probably staff) try to supress their laughter.

For those of you who aren't familiar with Rep. Waters, she once proclaimed that she was "marching for abortion rights because her mother didn't have that right."

116 Spiny Norman  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:17:56am

re: #90 akak

Why would the FBI not say Hussein al-Husseini was ruled out of the OKC bombing?

Pretty sure Ramsi Youssef was Islamic too...

When Yossef Bodansky say's it was Islamic, I think I'll trust his word as opposed to the Clinton adminiastration.

Media perception is everything. Whether there were any Muslim radicals involved in the OKC bombing, on the fringes or in the middle, is not an issue anymore. In the eyes of the Media and the American people, it's a closed case. And besides, Emerson may be highly credible to you and me, but not to the Mainstream Media... which is the point I was making.

117 vapig  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:18:10am

#108 wolfie 5/24/08 11:14:54 am reply quote 0

The whole idea of a "spokesman," excuse me, "spokesperson"

Stop that! You're not helping! ;^D

118 opnion  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:18:13am

re: #110 jcm

DING DING DING!

If Denver turns out to be Thunderdome, a lot of folks will be thinking twice about people with a (D) behind their name.

The riots at the 68 Chicago Convention & the Luancy inside elected a Republican President.

119 opnion  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:19:25am

re: #114 Sharmuta

And I certainly hope any people pissed off enough to not vote for mccain still go vote for Congress! Do not forsake the Capitol!

There are lots of people unhappy with McCain, including me.
But we need to vote for him

120 Spiny Norman  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:20:01am

re: #108 wolfie

But notice it is always the radicals, charlatans, and whacko activists that insinuate themselves into this role. In the heyday of feminism, NOW spoke for me (spit), hucksters speak for blacks, CAIR sleazeballs now speak for Muslims, and La Raza attempts to speak for "Hispanics." They know the media game.

They also know how to game the media. Snake oil salesmen of the electroic age.

121 jcm  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:20:25am

re: #118 opnion

The riots at the 68 Chicago Convention & the Luancy inside elected a Republican President.

RECREATE '68!

A cause to support!

122 bosforus  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:21:58am

re: #105 vapig

Hoover Dam?

That'd be a tough one. It's 45 feet thick at the top, 660 feet at the base. There's a 136 foot difference between the top of the dam at the maximum water height of the dam. Interpolated linearly that puts the thickness at at the maximum water level at 115 feet. But I could think of a few ways they might be able to pull it off, a plane, for one.

123 Spiny Norman  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:22:28am

re: #118 opnion

The riots at the 68 Chicago Convention & the Luancy inside elected a Republican President.

And one who was perceived in the media as widely unpopular.

Nixon? How could he have won? I don't know anyone who voted for him!

124 missouri boy  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:22:59am

The more I read about CAIR, the more I realize why Countries have boarders and why differing cultures were meant to be separated.
The American experiment of the melting pot, got all screwed up by this "multi-culture" pc crap, we now live with.
If you can't "melt" into the fabric, then you are nothing more than a stain, that needs removing. just imho saying.

125 Luigi  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:23:33am

CAIR seems to have its greatest influence in local setting. Local officials and especially the local press live in the community, their kids go to the schools, and they are open and exposed to anyone who wants to find them. Everyone knows what Islamic hotheads are capable of. It takes very little nudging by CAIR to get their way. They don't even have to breathe a threat of violence for everyone to know it exists.

The best way to counter CAIR is through federal enforcement of anti-terrorism laws. When CAIR itself is seen as rife with terrorist connections then any Moslem with a job or prospects of a future will not want to join. Last I heard, CAIR's membership nationally was just over a thousand.

126 vapig  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:24:34am

re: #115 rwmofo

Thanks for the linky! I love it! A dem inadvertantly telling the truth! LMAO!

127 Sharmuta  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:24:44am

re: #119 opnion

I'm concerned about those saying they won't go vote. I sure hope they do go vote- we can do our best to take back Congress, but not if people will stay away because of the top spot on the ballot. My point is that if some people don't want to vote for mccain- that's up to them, but I sure hope they still vote for other offices. Just don't stay home.

128 missouri boy  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:25:02am

re: #115 rwmofo

OT: In case you haven't seen Maxine Waters stuttering through her claim that "the government should take over all the oil companies," check this out.

Watch the two people over her right shoulder (don't know if they're representatives or staff aides - probably staff) try to supress their laughter.

For those of you who aren't familiar with Rep. Waters, she once proclaimed that she was "marching for abortion rights because her mother didn't have that right."

She's the best Californians could elect? LOL

129 akak  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:25:21am

re: #116 Spiny Norman

Media perception is everything. Whether there were any Muslim radicals involved in the OKC bombing, on the fringes or in the middle, is not an issue anymore. In the eyes of the Media and the American people, it's a closed case. And besides, Emerson may be highly credible to you and me, but not to the Mainstream Media... which is the point I was making.


Nah not at all, keep the names on your list.

It doesn't take much for liberals to cross over. Just look at fellow LGFer's for proof.

How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.

130 alegrias  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:25:27am

re: #111 opnion

Right, but he went way out of his way to convince people that Islam is peaceful. You hav to know that his administration knew that many people would just take him at his word. I have heard Muslim spokesmen quote Bush.
My point is even if he was not going to deomonize Islam It was a mistake to defend it.

* * *
You and I are just going to have to disagree. Years before President Bush was elected, radical islamists have been rampaging and murdering in FRONT OF OUR EYES. I have not been asleep at the wheel, as a child I could read news of atrocities against Israel and others.

I hold responsible the cowardly appeasing leftists & liberals for inciting jihadists, blaming America for "creating terrorists", encouraging "insurgents" to hang in there, reporting news from a terrorist perspective, and bludgeoning President Bush and mischaracterizing our President as an idiot giving to invading other countries as a blood sport.

Leftists have rushed to aid jihadis and Guantanamo perps and murderous thugs and excuse their terrorist leaders.

Leftists did the same during the Vietnam war. President Kennedy & Johnson struggled to make leftists and liberals care about communist atrocities and explain why America fought them, but liberals preferred to side with our enemy then, in 1968, and today.

Sorry for this rant, but I've seen this movie before and it's not "Bush's Fault", it's anti-American leftist haters who encourage jihadists to continue their struggle, their jihad, their "Kampf".

131 Roentgen  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:26:00am

re: #115 rwmofo

For those of you who aren't familiar with Rep. Waters, she once proclaimed that she was "marching for abortion rights because her mother didn't have that right."

Her mind is like an M. C. Escher drawing.

132 vapig  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:26:33am

re: #122 bosforus

My thoughts exactly - and they tend to stick with what works for them.

133 debutaunt  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:26:51am

re: #115 rwmofo

People trying not to break out laughing - hilarious!

134 abolitionist  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:27:08am

re: #83 schultzw

but Islam isn't a race...

yet folks claim anything spoken against Islam is racism!

The UN has long been promoting the ideas that any criticism against any aspect of any culture is racism, that any sense of superiority of humans over dandilions is specism, that exhaling CO2 makes me an enemy of mother earth...

135 bosforus  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:28:02am

re: #132 vapig

My thoughts exactly - and they tend to stick with what works for them.

That's too bad. I'd get a kick out of seeing a few of them blow themselves up in random locations inside the grand canyon trying to bring it down. Good luck enjoying this hole after we've filled it up with dirt!

136 vapig  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:31:37am

re: #131 Roentgen

I don't suppose it has occured to her that had her mother had the choice she wouldn't be alive now?

hmmm....there's some karma in there that I don't want to go to.....

137 alegrias  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:32:40am

re: #118 opnion

The riots at the 68 Chicago Convention & the Luancy inside elected a Republican President.

* * *
The fact is, in June 1968, a violent radical islamist Palestinian named Sirhan Sirhan angry at Robert F. Kennedy for supporting Israel, committed an atrocity against America.

An anti-semite terrorist took out Robert F. Kennedy after Kennedy won the California state primary, and liberals took arms against fellow Americans, instead of the perpetrator.

Today Liberals support CAIR's sabotaging and undermining America's freedoms, instead of standing with typical average Americans who uphold our freedoms, liberties & respectful disagreements.

138 wolfie  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:33:05am

re: #117 vapig

LOL !
This subject was on my mind today because I was just reading an article about acolytes in the Catholic Church. From the minute they allowed girls to serve, their %age has, naturally grown. People thought it would level out at ca 50%. Not so. Over 75% of acolytes are girls now and the trend has yet to level out. More disturbing are the polls that show boys do not want to serve anymore. Nearly 70% of boys say the main reason they are doing it is because their parents wanted them to...........as opposed to only 15% of girls. (There are a couple of polls from the earlier all-male era that show less than 20% of boys named "parents' desire" as one of the top reasons they serve.)
The article drew no conclusions, but I've got a suspicion of my own. Young boys are much more inclined to want to do something if you call it a "boy thing." They don't just want to be "persons," they want to be males.

139 curt  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:34:35am

It's been buggin' me lately, but it seems all our "leaders" want us to do anymore is hang our heads in shame, constantly issue apologies, step out of the way of wild eyed killers, who tell us they intended to act that way when they find us anywhere in the world, and turn our gaze to the walls, all to make up for having the unmitigated gall to pickup and leave an oppressive settings many nations of the world to come and be free, to exercise choice, to expand our personal talents into something good, which now has become the economic engine for the entire rest of the world. Go figure, 4% of the World's population manages to drive the rest of the markets...and they hate that. Are we perfect? Nope. Have we done something no other country can replicate, without the use of slave labor? Oh, yeah, they tried that for 70 years...biggest practical joke ever played on mankind...thank you Karl, the retired industrialist for coming up with such a great idea. Whoda thunk he was such a comedian?

Others, who cannot rise to shake off their chains, now and in the past, sit and blame us for inability to take action of their own, as well as to pretend that their unfortunate lot in life if the fault of those who risked and stood to say "NO MORE WILL I BOW TO ANOTHER!"

There are those, and we have been cultivating them in our own society, who demand we turn over the fruits of our efforts, be they from free speech or free enterprise, so they may have the life earned be others, and at the same time demand that those who labored have it no longer.

Such a mentality never rescued anyone from the aftermath of a major earthquake, collapsed building, nor combat, or a street gang's assault.

I have moments when I consider just saying let's just close the history books on this "experiment" in human history, disestablish the United States of America. You know, I suspect we have found the maximum population size that can handle the truth, and we exceeded it sometime in the late 1950s. What began the downhill slide? Not sure, that's too large a bite for me to try and take today, as it has been in the past.

This was to be but a short comment about wondering in text when someone would have the guts to pen the bigger thesis in the same vein as Shelby Steele did in "White Guilt." It's time for someone to step up to the plate, maybe Bill Whittle, to write "American Guilt: How the Republicans and Democrats and a multitude of fear mongering, left wing, self esteem is more important than a swift kick in the a$$ morons and Michael Moore convinced American to despise itself into its own demise." Who will have the guts to publish it soon, because once we fall to this idiocy, no one will be allowed to write it.

I'll continue this later at The Wide Awakes.

140 wolfie  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:36:09am

re: #125 Luigi

I dinged you up because I think you are spot on when you say the federal government should be attending to these terrorists sympathizers. That is their job, dammit.
Nevertheless, I think people like us need to be vigilant on the local level. Our votes and presence carry more weight there.

141 mattm  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:36:46am
But Solomon Bradman, CEO of Security Solutions International, which is conducting the program, said, “I can’t take the responsibility of my course linking their religion to terrorism. I think their religion got linked to terrorism a long time ago.

Bravo! I have not seen any instance on Islam in the news that does not have a non radical/violent element to it. As far as I am concered, all Islam is considred radical/violent until proven non-violent.

142 wolfie  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:36:59am

re: #127 Sharmuta

I'm concerned about those saying they won't go vote. I sure hope they do go vote- we can do our best to take back Congress, but not if people will stay away because of the top spot on the ballot. My point is that if some people don't want to vote for mccain- that's up to them, but I sure hope they still vote for other offices. Just don't stay home.

Keep saying it. We need to keep saying it.

143 alegrias  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:39:17am

re: #139 curt

It's been buggin' me lately, but it seems all our "leaders" want us to do anymore is hang our heads in shame, constantly issue apologies, step out of the way of wild eyed killers, who tell us they intended to act that way when they find us anywhere in the world, and turn our gaze to the walls, all to make up for having the unmitigated gall to pickup and leave an oppressive settings many nations of the world to come and be free, to exercise choice, to expand our personal talents into something good, which now has become the economic engine for the entire rest of the world. Go figure, 4% of the World's population manages to drive the rest of the markets...and they hate that. Are we perfect? Nope. Have we done something no other country can replicate, without the use of slave labor? Oh, yeah, they tried that for 70 years...biggest practical joke ever played on mankind...thank you Karl, the retired industrialist for coming up with such a great idea. Whoda thunk he was such a comedian?

Others, who cannot rise to shake off their chains, now and in the past, sit and blame us for inability to take action of their own, as well as to pretend that their unfortunate lot in life if the fault of those who risked and stood to say "NO MORE WILL I BOW TO ANOTHER!"

There are those, and we have been cultivating them in our own society, who demand we turn over the fruits of our efforts, be they from free speech or free enterprise, so they may have the life earned be others, and at the same time demand that those who labored have it no longer.

Such a mentality never rescued anyone from the aftermath of a major earthquake, collapsed building, nor combat, or a street gang's assault.

I have moments when I consider just saying let's just close the history books on this "experiment" in human history, disestablish the United States of America. You know, I suspect we have found the maximum population size that can handle the truth, and we exceeded it sometime in the late 1950s. What began the downhill slide? Not sure, that's too large a bite for me to try and take today, as it has been in the past.

This was to be but a short comment about wondering in text when someone would have the guts to pen the bigger thesis in the same vein as Shelby Steele did in "White Guilt." It's time for someone to step up to the plate, maybe Bill Whittle, to write "American Guilt: How the Republicans and Democrats and a multitude of fear mongering, left wing, self esteem is more important than a swift kick in the a$$ morons and Michael Moore convinced American to despise itself into its own demise." Who will have the guts to publish it soon, because once we fall to this idiocy, no one will be allowed to write it.

I'll continue this later at The Wide Awakes.

* * *
It may seem that way to you, but it isn't.

Mitt Romney isn't such a whiney appeaser. We can be proactive & positive as Reagan was, and surely Reagan knew every last lefty line and guilt trip by heart. Please don't retreat or call for the end of America, we must hang in there, not drop out.

Dropping out is not the American Way. Reagan didn't collapse after Carter handed him a limp, depressed country. He called us to do greater things. Please don't go defeatist on our country or our people, the majority are decent and will respond to positive & strong leadership.

144 curt  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:50:56am

re: #143 alegrias

Thankfully, it's just a passing thought. I'm doing all I can wherever I can. Between my blog and one other I guest write on, I'm staying til the bitter end....

I'm with you...

145 Shaky Louie  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:51:08am

So, If a person person is delivering the person, and the person the person is addressed to is not at *residence, is the person person supposed to leave the person in the person box, or return again later?

*"home" cannot be used, as it denotes...something...

146 Kefirah  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:55:34am

re: #12 jaunte

i was about to say the same thing. good on bradman for having the chutzpah to speak up.

147 Tamron  Sat, May 24, 2008 12:40:16pm

This recent article sheds some light on the nature of liberals:

INDIVIDUALISM AND ACCEPTANCE
Written by Dr. Joel Wade
23 May 2008
LINKY

(snip) ...From the right, in general, there is usually a more respectful tone than from the left. How come?

There are many reasons, of course. Conservatives tend to more often attend church, give personally of their time and money (rather than working to have the government give of other people's time and money on their behalf), and to have families. They also tend to be happier than liberals. This all reflects and encourages a more generous spirit.

It may be that it is not conservatism that makes a person more accepting, but that more accepting people tend to become conservatives. (In an interview years ago, the drummer for the rock group Van Halen, Alex Van Halen was asked about the group's wild behavior. He replied: "We're not like this because we're a rock band, we're a rock band because we're like this.")

Whichever may be the case, there is one quality in particular that I want to focus on, that is central to the relative benevolence of conservatives. I want to focus on it because it is often the object of attack on the part of those on the left, and because I believe that it is a fundamental dynamic in the lives of most conservatives:

Individualism.

Those on the left attack individualism, claiming that it promotes selfishness, greed, inequality, lacks compassion and rests on a kind of dog-eat-dog social Darwinism. (Though dogs generally do not eat dogs, and social Darwinism was in fact a progressive fascist idea - See Jonah Goldberg's Liberal Fascism)

Individualism breeds compassion and acceptance of our differences, because the individualist reveres his or her own unique qualities, and cannot, without mind-bending hypocrisy, or pathological narcissism, avoid doing the same with respect to others.

For a collectivist, compassion involves social justice - making sure that everyone gets stuff, and as much as possible an equal allotment of stuff. The stuff in question may be food, shelter, clothing, money, health care, social security, or self-esteem. But it tends to boil down to who gets how much of the imaginary pie.

This means in practice that the collectivist believes that there is an ideal way to be. I have heard people on the left assert that nobody should earn more than $100,000 a year. Others claim that everyone should have a certain amount of psychotherapy (these would be therapists calling for this, of course), and an obvious example of such leveling is in the movement for politically correct speech.

Talk to a leftist, and you will likely find within them an ideal, a mental image of how we all should be - which means in practice that they would like to force you to be the way they would like you to be.

For an individualist, on the other hand, there is an inherent contradiction to such a stance. An individualist knows that we are all different. In fact, an individualist loves the idea that we are all different. That is the big idea, after all. There would be no individualism without our differences. (snip)

Read the whole thing. It's refreshing.
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148 nyc redneck  Sat, May 24, 2008 12:52:38pm

police officers always use their experience to assess a situation. their lives depend on it.
i can't imagine a cop or anyone who is aware of the ropma, not having some red flags go up in certain situations. it's called the survival instinct. you can't legislate that away or over rule it w/ demands for a pc approach.
i'm thinking at some point, it won't be so easy to flim flam us w/ accusations of stereotyping and ethnic profiling. we will use our common sense as we see islam continue to commit murder and mayhem around the world and issue statements that soon allah ackar will echo everywhere.
and, there will come a time when police chiefs won't be paying lip service to cair.

149 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 24, 2008 1:56:29pm

re: #148 nyc redneck

. . . i can't imagine a cop or anyone who is aware of the ropma, not having some red flags go up in certain situations. it's called the survival instinct. . .

CAIR and similar like-minded folks would like to PC-away the American survival instinct. When I see how some folks react (Seattle police chief, the commenters from Salon listed in a previous post today), it seems to me like they are making a frightening amount of headway in their task.

150 David IV of Georgia  Sat, May 24, 2008 2:13:09pm

re: #37 jaunte

"The FBI announced earlier this month that the men were tourists, not terrorists."
Why would the FBI announce that they had a line on a group of spies?

The next time I go to the bank, I'm going to take pictures of the safe door, security cameras, and general layout. I'm sure everyone will assume I'm a tourist.

/I'm not that stupid.

151 nyc redneck  Sat, May 24, 2008 3:12:55pm

re: #149 reine.de.tout

CAIR and similar like-minded folks would like to PC-away the American survival instinct. When I see how some folks react (Seattle police chief, the commenters from Salon listed in a previous post today), it seems to me like they are making a frightening amount of headway in their task.

i don't think they are. i definitely understand your concern, but the hard core loud mouth left, doesn't compare to the vast number of patriotic gun owning americans, going quietly abt. their lives. many are waking up to the dangers of islam. these good citizens are out there and they will fight for their country.

152 USBeast  Sat, May 24, 2008 3:23:41pm

I can just hear that informative little seminar.

Arsalan Bukhari: I would like to thank all of you representing the various branches of law enforcement for attending this training session. Today I will try to correct some of the evil lies you have been told about about Islam and the ridiculous claims that it has any ties to terrorism and violence.

There are two rules you must follow with regards any investigation regarding terrorism.

Rule # 1: Islam is never to be associated with any act of terrorism or violence.

Rule # 2: If any evidence, including statements, admissions, propaganda material, etc. appears to link Islam to any act of terrorism or violence, refer to Rule # 1.

Now I think we need a little breather, so please kneel down facing that wall, stick your butts in the air, bang your heads on the floor and repeat after me...

153 markie  Sat, May 24, 2008 3:29:34pm

AFAIKT, terrorism is largely Islamist inspired (with some world trade protesters chucked in), so if CAIR wants to help train-

Port Police Chief Colleen Wilson met with local CAIR representatives and offered to have them come in to do additional training. Bukhari said CAIR intends to do so.

I'm sure there are places in a live-fire exercise for them.

154 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 24, 2008 3:44:42pm

re: #151 nyc redneck

i don't think they are. i definitely understand your concern, but the hard core loud mouth left, doesn't compare to the vast number of patriotic gun owning americans, going quietly abt. their lives. many are waking up to the dangers of islam. these good citizens are out there and they will fight for their country.

Yes, you are probably right. Still, I am flabbergasted by the sheer number of folks who don't seem to see the danger.

155 azcon  Sat, May 24, 2008 4:22:21pm

re: #28 M. Bensson-Levi

I think it comes down to this:
All people are good except...

The assumption underlying such a judgment, whether about Islamophobia or bigotry generally, is that all people are good (except for people who don't believe that all people are good), and that no people can be a threat (except for those people who believe that some people can be a threat). Since all people (that is, all people who don't hate nothing except hatred) are good, and since no people are enemies (except for the people who believe that there are enemies), any negative statement about a group (except for negative statements about the society's own majority group) is by definition a false, vicious, dehumanizing attack on that group.

156 Ledger1  Sat, May 24, 2008 4:32:34pm

If one were a terrorist and wanted to facilitate an attack one would want to pick a relatively weak point of entry into the USA - and then make it even weaker.

...After a cursory examination of Ressam’s car, the INS agents allowed Ressam to board the ferry. Late in the afternoon of December 14, Ressam arrived in Port Angeles. He waited for all the other cars to depart the ferry, assuming (incorrectly) that the last car off would draw less scrutiny. Customs officers assigned to the port, noticing Ressam’s nervousness, referred him to secondary inspection. When asked for additional identification, Ressam handed the Customs agent a Price Costco membership card in the same false name as his passport. As that agent began an initial pat-down, Ressam panicked and tried to run away.

Inspectors examining Ressam’s rental car found the explosives concealed in the spare tire well, but at first they assumed the white powder and viscous liquid were drug-related—until an inspector pried apart and identified one of the four timing devices concealed within black boxes. Ressam was placed under arrest. Investigators guessed his target was in Seattle. They did not learn about the Los Angeles airport planning until they reexamined evidence seized in Montreal in 2000; they obtained further details when Ressam began cooperating in May 2001.

See: Millennium plot

157 6pat6  Sat, May 24, 2008 5:44:52pm
But Solomon Bradman, CEO of Security Solutions International, which is conducting the program, said, “I can’t take the responsibility of my course linking their religion to terrorism. I think their religion got linked to terrorism a long time ago.”

He gets it.

158 6pat6  Sat, May 24, 2008 5:47:11pm

re: #60 schultzw

Because it's us typical white folks who associate Islam to terror, not the terrorists who bastardize that religion.

Their cult was bastardized from Day One by their pedoprophet Mo. From Day One.

159 gunjam  Sat, May 24, 2008 8:38:58pm

What's with so many liberal jurisdictions (e.g., D.C., San Francisco, and Port of Seattle) hiring female Police Chiefs in a field that is very much dominated by males?

I guess some of the ladies are more touchy-feely and PC and CAIR-friendly......

160 Truesoldier  Sat, May 24, 2008 11:36:44pm

Gee how quickly people forget the 1999 apprehension of Ahmed Ressam in Port Angeles.

For those of you who do not remember it here is some background:

Ressam arrived from Canada in a rental car at the MV Coho ferry landing in Port Angeles in the early evening of December 14, 1999. Ressam’s evasive answers aroused the suspicions of CBP officer Diana Dean who directed a search of Ressam’s vehicle and belongings. “It wasn’t just one thing that tipped me off,” said Dean, “there was something strange about his mannerisms and he was stalling in answering my questions.”

CBP Officers Mark Johnson, Dan Clem and Mark Chapman assisted Dean in the vehicle inspection, which revealed bags of powder and unidentified timing devices in the trunk. The discovery totaled twelve plastic bags containing 124 pounds of urea and sulfate, along with four boxes containing homemade timing devices.

Upon discovery of the powder, Ressam bolted from the ferry dock and ran toward downtown Port Angeles. CBP officers chased Ressam on foot and apprehended him after several blocks. Following Ressam’s capture, all four officers received the CBP exceptional-service medal. A jury in Los Angeles found Ressam guilty of conspiracy to commit an act of international terrorism, and eight additional criminal counts in 2001. He has been held at the Federal Detention Center at SeaTac.

Slowly but surely the awoken giant is falling back into slumber.

161 DJ Wahaba  Sun, May 25, 2008 1:02:57am

And I thought human were different from cows and other "non intelligent" animals because we have the ability to remember our history.

Oh well... We'll just have to remember this froze: Who doesn't remember history is condemned to repeat it. Now where did i hear that before?

162 The Dajjal  Sun, May 25, 2008 7:45:47am

I think that Port Police Chief, Colleen Wilson, needs to visit CAIR Headquarters, and then, while kneeling, present the CAIR Leadership with a brand new Quran which she needs to first kiss respectfully before handing it to them with a gloved right hand.

We've learned that when non-believers do such an act of contriteness, muslims won't hate you for almost an entire week!


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