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Muslim Gangs Taking Control of UK Max Security Prison

Sun, May 25, 2008 at 8:03:08 am PDT

Al Qaeda-influenced gangs of radical Islamists are taking control of Whitemoor maximum security prison—and the British government response is to wring their hands about “Islamophobia” and make the staff take “sensitivity to Islam” courses.

Prison officers at one of Britain’s maximum security jails are losing control to Muslim gangs, according to a confidential report obtained by The Observer. An internal review of Whitemoor in Cambridgeshire warns that staff believe a ‘serious incident is imminent’ as several wings become dominated by Muslim prisoners.

The report, written by the Prison Service’s Directorate of High Security, says there is an ‘ongoing theme of fear and instability’ among staff at Whitemoor, where just under a third of the 500 prisoners are Muslim.

It claims: ‘There was much talk around the establishment about “the Muslims”. Some staff perceived the situation at Whitemoor had resulted in Muslim prisoners becoming more of a gang than a religious group. The sheer numbers, coupled with a lack of awareness among staff, appeared to be engendering fear and handing control to the prisoners.’ The situation has become so acute that white prisoners are routinely warned about the Muslim gangs by staff on arrival.

The report says that apprehension about Muslim prisoners has potentially damaging consequences and is in danger of ‘leading to hostility and Islamophobia’. It serves to highlight the growing concern about extremist activity in the UK’s jails. The Home Office is concerned that young male prisoners are being radicalised by Muslim gangs and that the prison system is becoming a recruiting ground for al-Qaeda sympathisers. Similar problems have been experienced at Belmarsh prison in London and Frankland in Durham. A number of high-profile al-Qaeda sympathisers at Frankland have been moved as a result of increased tensions within the jail. ...

The tense stand-off between staff and prisoners is causing problems, the report warns. ‘Staff appeared reluctant to challenge inappropriate behaviour, in particular among BME [black and ethnic minority] prisoners for fear of doing the wrong thing,’ the report states. ‘This was leading to a general feeling of a lack of control and shifting the power dynamic towards prisoners.’ It adds: ‘A wing itself felt particularly unstable with a general lack of confidence among staff.’ ...

In recent months the Prison Service has unveiled a series of initiatives to combat extremism in the UK’s jails through the supervision and monitoring of imams and better training for staff. ‘It is vital that prison staff are equipped with the knowledge and skills to ensure they have the confidence to identify and challenge behaviour that is of concern,’ said a spokeswoman for the Ministry of Justice. ‘A programme of work is planned at Whitemoor to increase mutual understanding between staff and prisoners, including a development day for staff on the Muslim faith, focus groups in which staff and ethnic minority prisoners will discuss prison community issues, and diversity events.

Good grief.

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1 Abu Boo Boo  5/25/08 8:04:43 am reply quote

Why not? They are taking control of most of Britain.

2 gopninja  5/25/08 8:04:49 am reply quote

grammatical error with wring

3 GOPninja  5/25/08 8:06:04 am reply quote

lol nm im being told im wrong

4 Ma Sands  5/25/08 8:06:18 am reply quote

"Maximum security" Hmmm.....

5 TS  5/25/08 8:06:25 am reply quote

All that sensitivity training done by groups like CAIR (I know this article is about the UK) is paying off!

/spit

6 Abu Boo Boo  5/25/08 8:06:33 am reply quote
“sensitivity to Islam”

Explosives-sniffing dogs.

7 The Albatross  5/25/08 8:06:48 am reply quote

Heh... like the Brits "controlled" them in the first place.

8 Alouette  5/25/08 8:06:54 am reply quote

Hang the leaders.

9 jcm  5/25/08 8:07:32 am reply quote

They really should crack down....
As in truncheon on skull.


Hello! World!
See what appeasement buys you, give halal meals, point them and not the toilets to mecca and the next thing you know the inmates are running the asylum.

10 laZardo  5/25/08 8:07:49 am reply quote

Here's some heartwarming Memorial Day-related news amidst all the doom and gloom.

Check out the logo on this online gaming website. Makes you wonder why Google isn't doing the same thing.

11 J.D.  5/25/08 8:08:43 am reply quote
Some staff perceived the situation at Whitemoor had resulted in Muslim prisoners becoming more of a gang than a religious group.


You don't say.

12 Mich-again  5/25/08 8:08:51 am reply quote

Except in this show, Sgt. Schultz has a British accent.

I say chap, I saw nothing..nothing...

13 ROP?LOL  5/25/08 8:09:13 am reply quote

UK:
na na na na
na na na na
hey hey
good bye

14 TS  5/25/08 8:09:42 am reply quote

What do you expect when prison guards (and the US military for that matter!) are made to wear gloves to touch the Koran?!

15 The Albatross  5/25/08 8:10:04 am reply quote

Hey Brits, sorry man, but your multicultural approach isn't playing well. When you've got Muslims on a bull horn blasting "kafir" through your streets, eh, I'd say it isn't just maximum security prisons you've got trouble with. But that's just me.

16 Grok the Fullness  5/25/08 8:10:09 am reply quote

The British (and euros generally) of today resemble a dog rolling over and pissing on their belly.

17 Abu Boo Boo  5/25/08 8:11:06 am reply quote

Next they will decide that's it's "Islamophobic" to put Mohammedans in prison.

18 Bobibutu  5/25/08 8:11:06 am reply quote

Are we truly surprised by this?

Tip of the iceberg.

19 snowcrash  5/25/08 8:12:57 am reply quote

Maybe they need to tour one of our SuperMax prisons and get a clue.

20 Abu Boo Boo  5/25/08 8:12:59 am reply quote

If we just understood Islam better, there would be no IslamoNazis.

/appeasement

21 Mich-again  5/25/08 8:13:40 am reply quote

Mr. Bean can play Colonel Klink.

22 Sharmuta  5/25/08 8:14:38 am reply quote

I didn't realize that prison was for teaching the prison staff to understand the prisoners. Silly me- I thought it was so the prisoners understood they'd violated the law.

23 Mich-again  5/25/08 8:15:23 am reply quote

Better yet, the Brits need to send in an undercover agent to infiltrate the gang. How about this guy? perfect.

24 Abu Boo Boo  5/25/08 8:15:32 am reply quote

Just because someone is in a maximum security prison, it doesn't mean they are bad.

/actual Islamophobia

25 shibumi  5/25/08 8:17:07 am reply quote

What is it about Western Europe and fascists? Has it been too long since the last time they've been subjected to a totalitarian regime, and they miss it?

What is wrong with England? They resisted the Nazi's, yet they're literally and contextually bending over backwards for the followers of a pedophile prophet?

Or is it simply that all the men with (pardon the expression) balls left Europe 50+ years ago for the U.S., and fathered children here who are not afraid to fight for their beliefs? And conversely, does that mean that most of the people left in Western Europe are cowards?

Finally, to those who are stuck in Europe and don't like what's happening around them, I have a message : GET. OUT. NOW.

26 Reluctant Democrat  5/25/08 8:17:26 am reply quote

Good grief, Britain is doomed.

How many extremists deported, as Tony Blair promised, so far?

Zero.

27 Idle Drifter  5/25/08 8:18:29 am reply quote

re: #19 snowcrash

Maybe they need to tour one of our Super Max prisons and get a clue.

How often do those prisoners in a US Super Max see daylight? I am all for canning these murderous thugs deep underground with little to no interaction between prisoners.

28 Abu Boo Boo  5/25/08 8:18:37 am reply quote

Liberals are genuine Islamophobes.

They are so afraid of Islam and Muslims that they are willing to deny reality and are eager to engage in self-defeating practices.

29 mean Gene  5/25/08 8:18:58 am reply quote

I was just reading the Irish response to an article titled, "If Muslim men like the veil so much, let them wear it," and, frankly, I am appalled!
So many Irish people think all those women wear the veil because WANT to.
Did none of them see the Undercover Mosque TV show?
When the imam incited parents to force their daughters to cover to the point of telling them to beat their girls what did the Irish think that meant?If Muslim men....

30 pat  5/25/08 8:21:49 am reply quote

Maybe the 'guards' can apply for jobs at the US State Departmenr of the FBI. They sound qualified.

31 Abu Boo Boo  5/25/08 8:23:05 am reply quote
‘A programme of work is planned at Whitemoor to increase mutual understanding between staff and prisoners, including a development day for staff on the Muslim faith, focus groups in which staff and ethnic minority prisoners will discuss prison community issues, and diversity events.

Maybe if the staff knew about enjoying 72 virgins in paradise there would be more understanding and less friction.

32 J.D.  5/25/08 8:26:08 am reply quote

re: #31 Abu Boo Boo

Maybe if the staff knew about enjoying 72 virgins in paradise there would be more understanding and less friction.

You make a good point. Just educate the poor uninformed guards...that should do the trick!

33 wahabicorridor  5/25/08 8:26:35 am reply quote

re: #25 shibumi

What is wrong with England?

A very naster combination of the welfare state spiked with colonial guilt.

34 The Albatross  5/25/08 8:29:10 am reply quote

re: #33 wahabicorridor

That and they're wimpy... a disgrace to any national uniform. No wonder the immigrants are pushing in the UK

35 Abu Boo Boo  5/25/08 8:29:50 am reply quote

We need to more respectful towards the inmates of high security prisons.

After all, they are there because they are very good at what they do.

36 Sharmuta  5/25/08 8:34:55 am reply quote
A programme of work is planned at Whitemoor to increase mutual understanding between staff and prisoners, including a development day for staff on the Muslim faith, focus groups in which staff and ethnic minority prisoners will discuss prison community issues, and diversity events.

I don't think the staff needs to understand islam, I think the prisoners need to understand Britain.

If prisons are going to be thought of as rehab centers, it might help if you focus the rehab on, I don't know.... the convicts, maybe?

37 Abu Boo Boo  5/25/08 8:35:04 am reply quote

I don't think people realize how difficult incarceration is for Asian men.

Many of them have two or wives to take care of. And it's hard to get them to visit the prison when they know it's time for their regular beating.

There are often daughters to be watched so they don't sin, and if they do sin, there are knifings and strangulations to be performed.

And worst of all, it's hard to commiserate with British academics about the crimes of Israel when you are stuck in a high security prison.

38 Occasional Reader  5/25/08 8:35:29 am reply quote
Muslim Gangs Cultural Associations Taking Control of Encouraging Rich, Mulitcultural Diversity in UK Max Security Prison

[headline re-written for The Guardian]

39 wahabicorridor  5/25/08 8:35:58 am reply quote

re: #34 The Albatross

heh. In today's UK papers they've got a story about some British ship stuck in France because some protesters laid a steel cable across the harbor.

Britiannia used to rule the waves.

40 realwest  5/25/08 8:36:15 am reply quote

re: #33 wahabicorridor
Good morning wahabi! And thanks again for your kind e-mail this morning!
How's things by you today?

41 realwest  5/25/08 8:37:14 am reply quote

Charles: "Good grief" - very concise and accurate description! Good morning to you.

42 laZardo  5/25/08 8:38:03 am reply quote

re: #38 Occasional Reader

Morning OR!

43 Sacred Plants  5/25/08 8:38:39 am reply quote

From the article -

The emergence of gang culture in Whitemoor has alarmed some prisoners. The team that compiled the report found that over the Christmas period the segregation unit was full as inmates sought refuge from the gangs over debt problems and drugs.

How ironic. To avoid becoming hostages themselves, the Whitemoor prison staff must treat the non-Muslim prisoners like hostages. Because they are.

Islamic prison gangs. The great career booster of Abu Musab az-Zarqawi (PBUH). Why don´t they go the way of all other prison gangs? Could it be because Islam itself is a prison?

44 rwmofo  5/25/08 8:38:44 am reply quote

Looks like you "chaps" have two options:

a) Lock them up and throw them a ham sandwich.
b) Just give them the keys, apologize and leave.

45 Idle Drifter  5/25/08 8:39:35 am reply quote

re: #28 Abu Boo Boo

Liberals are genuine Islamophobes.

They are so afraid of Islam and Muslims that they are willing to deny reality and are eager to engage in self-defeating practices.

The best way to eliminate fears is to conquer them. I had the worst fear of heights and I didn't realize it until I found myself in a position up high and freaked out. Eventually I worked at conquering that fear with a series of high adventure ending with a 110 ft bungee jump from a platform suspended from a crane. After that I could function with heights, a little scared but able to move forward.

The moral of this story for those suffering the real Islamophobia as Abu Boo Boo has pointed out is to grow a pair, learn some practical self defense, and go to the rifle range which in turn cures a few other phobias: Algophobia — fear of pain, Hoplophobia - fear of weapons, specifically firearms, Panphobia — fear of everything or constantly afraid without knowing what is causing it, etc. Hence conquer fear.

Abu Boo Boo, that is one of the best definitions of Islamophobia I have heard yet. I take my hat off to you, Sir.

46 godfrey  5/25/08 8:40:15 am reply quote

This is what you get for surrendering culture to weak, resentful lefties. And now you want to surrender whole cities, whole countries to stunted misanthropes like these hardcore Muslims? Why not just run away to Mars?

Stand and fight like a man. You may find yourself becoming one.

47 Occasional Reader  5/25/08 8:43:23 am reply quote

re: #22 Sharmuta

I didn't realize that prison was for teaching the prison staff to understand the prisoners. Silly me- I thought it was so the prisoners understood they'd violated the law.

Perfect, concise, elegant.

A+

48 nyc redneck  5/25/08 8:43:56 am reply quote

this is a maximum security prison. not a day care center. these inmates are the worst society has to offer. they don't respect the pc mumbo jumbo abt. "increasing the mutual understanding btw staff and prisoners".
these terrorist monsters are laughing at the stupidity of the officials and happy to take advantage of a windfall increasing their power.

lock them down, isolate them, cut their food.

49 J.D.  5/25/08 8:44:12 am reply quote

re: #37 Abu Boo Boo

I'm practically in tears after that. *sniff*

50 JeremyR  5/25/08 8:44:25 am reply quote

re: #14 TS

What do you expect when prison guards (and the US military for that matter!) are made to wear gloves to touch the Koran?!

I'd certainly wear gloves when touching the Koran, or else scrub my hands with a powerful solvent afterward.

51 Occasional Reader  5/25/08 8:44:55 am reply quote

re: #42 laZardo

Morning OR!

I keel you, kuffar!

(Seethese for "good morning")

52 JeremyR  5/25/08 8:45:05 am reply quote

re: #20 Abu Boo Boo

If we just understood Islam better, there would be no IslamoNazis.

/appeasement

Are you saying what I think you are saying?

53 Sharmuta  5/25/08 8:45:36 am reply quote

re: #47 Occasional Reader

Thank you.

54 scalleywag  5/25/08 8:46:56 am reply quote

Things getting out of control? No worries, just get out the bag of appeasements and start serving. Better have a spare bag in case the first runs out and they start demanding more.

55 godfrey  5/25/08 8:48:57 am reply quote

If guards wear gloves to touch the Koran, what hope is there for this vaunted "Islamic reformation" we keep hearing about? Do lefties want a defanged, moderate Islam or not? How will insulating hardcore Muslims from an environment that challenges them to moderate themselves ever bring this "moderate" Islam into being? All this kind of nonsense does is perpetuate hardcore Islam by emboldening it. Show it irresolution, and it will press even harder.

Fools.

56 Bobibutu  5/25/08 8:48:59 am reply quote

re: #45 Idle Drifter

[Link: www.wildplayparks.com...]

Here is where I did the same thing from 150' back in the early 90s. Thy sell you a video of your jump. I jumped twice a day for 2 days. Awesome.

There is the Big one in New Zealand that goes from around 250+ iirc.

57 warlock  5/25/08 8:50:47 am reply quote

RoP = Religion of Prison (gangs)
I wonder if it is just infidels they rape in prison?

58 laZardo  5/25/08 8:51:31 am reply quote

re: #43 Sacred Plants

And death is the only escape.

/frank miller's sin city stylin'

59 6pat6  5/25/08 8:54:57 am reply quote
‘A programme of work is planned at Whitemoor to increase mutual understanding between staff and prisoners, including a development day for staff on the Muslim faith, focus groups in which staff and ethnic minority prisoners will discuss prison community issues, and diversity events.

Geez, are we surprised these days?

9/11 and 7/7 never happened, I'm guessing.

60 Sacred Plants  5/25/08 8:55:17 am reply quote

re: #58 laZardo

Is it an escape?

61 6pat6  5/25/08 8:56:33 am reply quote

re: #57 warlock

I wonder if it is just infidels they rape in prison?

I wonder if the muslim were to be raped in prison in retaliation, would that be construed as a "hate crime" in Britain these days?

62 pegcity  5/25/08 8:57:17 am reply quote

re: #59 6pat6

its prison, they want diversity events?

My god England truly has gone insane

63 Sacred Plants  5/25/08 9:00:36 am reply quote

Reducing the prison population to those who committed real crimes would be part of a solution.

64 The Other Les  5/25/08 9:02:51 am reply quote

Can I just say that phobophobia is no excuse for treason.

65 Occasional Reader  5/25/08 9:05:28 am reply quote

re: #63 Sacred Plants

Reducing the prison population to those who committed real crimes would be part of a solution.

Um, do you really think the Muslim Brotherhood types are in there for pot possession?

66 JeremyR  5/25/08 9:06:18 am reply quote

Maybe we shold stop calling it the Koran and call it by its real name, "The Satanic Verses".

67 Sacred Plants  5/25/08 9:07:41 am reply quote

I think a re: #65 Occasional Reader

I think a number of those they intimidate are.

68 Sacred Plants  5/25/08 9:10:01 am reply quote

re: #19 snowcrash

Maybe they need to tour one of our SuperMax prisons and get a clue.

Maybe Whitemoor needs to offer tours to the public?

69 reine.de.tout  5/25/08 9:10:59 am reply quote

Arse backwards. It's a sure bet that the institution of a "programme of work" to "increase mutual understanding between staff and prisoners. . . ". is the very best way possible to increase the staff's reluctance "to challenge inappropriate behaviour", and increase radicalization of "young male prisoners" by "Muslim gangs".

70 Boogberg  5/25/08 9:13:26 am reply quote

Is it fair to throw the British under the bus for this? We have our problems with prison gangs in the US as well.

71 The Other Les  5/25/08 9:16:04 am reply quote

re: #66 JeremyR

Maybe we shold stop calling it the Koran and call it by its real name, "The Satanic Verses".

Rushdie's already used it.

72 The Other Les  5/25/08 9:17:06 am reply quote

re: #70 Boogberg

Is it fair to throw the British under the bus for this? We have our problems with prison gangs in the US as well.

Yes but we're not bending over backwards to avoid naziphobia.

73 Rookie  5/25/08 9:17:54 am reply quote

re: #25 shibumi

What is wrong with England? They resisted the Nazi's, yet they're literally and contextually bending over backwards for the followers of a pedophile prophet?

Demographics: UK younger generations are now in the southern part of the country predominantly Pakistani, African muslims (like Somalis) or Indians, with no links to traditional UK whatsoever. Indians have no desire to fight against muslims, I think they are busy doing money rather than have a look around to see what's coming to them. The young white Brits are - my apologies to young Brits who actually can read these lines AND they are not moonbats - mainly morons. I met quite a few, let's say most of them are quite illiterate and into drugs, alcohol and petty stealing. Who to oppose the radicals, the 80 years old? A nation can change as fast as two generations if some basic moral ideas are not passed to the younger ones or the wrong ideas (like multiculturalism and PC crap) are promoted.

Finally, to those who are stuck in Europe and don't like what's happening around them, I have a message : GET. OUT. NOW.

Thanks, care to make me an invitation? Because except US there is no place to go, but US is busy inviting more Saudi students rather than accept people from Eastern Europe, for example. Getting a visa for US is a nightmare, and obtaining a green card is next to impossible.

74 rawmuse  5/25/08 9:20:26 am reply quote

May the chains of dhimmitude hang heavy around their worthy necks.

75 Boogberg  5/25/08 9:29:33 am reply quote

re: #72 The Other Les

Yes but we're not bending over backwards to avoid naziphobia.

Yes but there are good Muslims. Good Nazis? Not likely.

76 Biff  5/25/08 9:29:51 am reply quote

London police surrounded by Islamic mob

This video is draw dropping. Watch the whole thing. It starts off as an Islamic rant in a car with a loudspeaker, and turns into a riot when police attempt to bring some order. These people have absolutely no respect for the rule of western law, and know they will get away with it.

77 rorschach  5/25/08 9:37:39 am reply quote

What are all these followers of a "religion" of peace doing in a maximum security prison?

Surely, this is some kind of Christian plot.

78 gman  5/25/08 9:42:26 am reply quote

re: #22 Sharmuta

I didn't realize that prison was for teaching the prison staff to understand the prisoners. Silly me- I thought it was so the prisoners understood they'd violated the law.

Precisely. The guards are now the prisoners, and the prisoners have become guards in the most perverse sense, peering mockingly through the bars at their hapless victims.

79 Kulhwch  5/25/08 9:50:05 am reply quote
A programme of work is planned at Whitemoor to increase mutual understanding between staff and prisoners, including a development day for staff on the Muslim faith, focus groups in which staff and ethnic minority prisoners will discuss prison community issues, and diversity events.

Well, that's what prison is all about, the feel-good moment.

}:)     [Of course that usually happens in the showers ... ]

80 JeremyR  5/25/08 9:57:56 am reply quote

re: #71 The Other Les

Rushdie's already used it.

Where do you thnk I got that line?

81 Wishbone  5/25/08 9:59:08 am reply quote

re: #70 Boogberg

Is it fair to throw the British under the bus for this?

Be our guest mate. Same shit, different day. We're used to it by now :)

82 Tigger2005  5/25/08 10:03:21 am reply quote

Korben Dallas: We need to find the leader, Mangalores won't fight without the leader.
Aknot: One more shot, and we start killing hostages!
Korben Dallas: That's the leader.
Aknot: Send someone to negotiate.
Fog: [as Dallas looks at him] Uh, I-I've never negotiated before.
Korben Dallas: Do you mind if I try?
Fog: No, sure, sure, sure.
[shouts]
Fog: We're sending somebody in to negotiate!
[Corben walks into the room and shoots Aknot between the eyes. As he falls, the other Mangalores drop their weapons and bow over him, keening]
Korben Dallas: Anybody else want to negotiate?
Fog: Wh-where did he learn to n-negotiate like that?
President Lindberg: [looking at General Munro] I wonder.

83 jamsler  5/25/08 10:23:23 am reply quote

We need to look at Britianistan and learn from their mistakes. Sorry for your luck. Your country is lost and you don't even know it. Such a shame. I'd always wanted to visit there but now I guess I'll have to pass. The British are far along the road that Barack Hussein Obama wants to send America down.

Take a look, liberals, is this what you want? Will you still welcome your new Muslim overlords when you find out they'll murder you for getting stoned?

That's what quietly underpins your whole political agenda, isn't it? You support the party most likely to legalize it. Wake up, stoners. Take responsibility for your actions. You might get busted if you choose to be a stoner. Because it's illegal. Rightly or wrongly so it makes no difference.

It's about more than the kind bud. It's about survival. It's hard to take a bong hit if your head's chopped off, and the liberals want to march us down a road that will lead us there.

There's a message for all of you various leftist factions in this.

84 Boogberg  5/25/08 10:41:00 am reply quote

Well Londoners have just run off their commie mayor of over a decade. Labour seems to be squirming these days. I'm not prepared to write off the UK just yet.

85 anotherindyfilmguy  5/25/08 11:43:51 am reply quote

re: #25 shibumi


What is wrong with England? They resisted the Nazi's, yet they're literally and contextually bending over backwards for the followers of a pedophile prophet?

Generations of being undermined by socialists. PC run amok to the point that the people are so confused/scared to act with guts and conviction of their beliefs (or the very beliefs undermined to the point the aren't considered actionable anymore) so that socialists can take control... ironic that the socialists being so successful that they've unexpectedly prepped the cultural suicide of the UK to include themselves at the hands of an alien culture.

86 anotherindyfilmguy  5/25/08 11:45:22 am reply quote

re: #84 Boogberg

The question is will there be a spine shown and the troublemakers subdued etc or will there be a very extreme backlash?

87 brakes  5/25/08 12:03:03 pm reply quote

re: #76 Biff

I recommended your link.

88 Sacred Plants  5/25/08 12:04:38 pm reply quote

re: #83 jamsler

Prohibition is illegal because it violates my freedom of religion and alienates me from the creation. Of course I do risk to get busted, but so did anyone who helped people get through the iron curtain. As a side effect, now even in certain parts of Europe I might also become a hostage of an Islamic prison gang. Ewww, what would the rule of law be without its snafus? Maybe something incorruptible by sharia.

There is no declared anti-prohibition candidate in big party politics at this point. The wounds of seven decades of spiritual self-mutilation are running deep. To bring forward the cause of abolition, the most suitable configuration of government currently would be a team in which the boss can take risks abroad because the perspective of the vice taking his place would be the worst nightmare of possible killers.

/Obama/McCain `08

89 solomonpanting  5/25/08 12:10:48 pm reply quote

re: #25 shibumi

What is wrong with England? They resisted the Nazi's, yet they're literally and contextually bending over backwards for the followers of a pedophile prophet?

Actually, they're bending in the opposite direction.

90 Boogberg  5/25/08 12:22:56 pm reply quote

re: #86 anotherindyfilmguy

The question is will there be a spine shown and the troublemakers subdued etc or will there be a very extreme backlash?

Perhaps what's needed is prison wardens with some genuine authority.

Take Sheriff Joe Arpaio for instance.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

When I was in county jail (yes, I was a naughty boy in my youth), it was a simple matter of "Do what we say, when we say it - and you can get time off your sentence". Working on the county road crew was considered a privilege! For volunteering to work on the road crew, you got to live in what I call the "dorm". A five star hotel compared to where the hard-core assholes were housed.

91 astronmr20  5/25/08 12:29:25 pm reply quote

"...more of a gang than a religious group."


Well, doesn't that sort of describe Islam in general?

92 anotherindyfilmguy  5/25/08 12:46:09 pm reply quote

re: #90 Boogberg

Yep. But the society at large that affects that Sheriff, re-elects/supports etc is also responsible for keeping his authority to have his way in running things there. The UK is a mess of PC run amok on need of spinal realignment.

93 TS  5/25/08 1:22:37 pm reply quote

re: #83 jamsler


Plenty of people smoke pot, and/or want it legalized who are not leftists. Maybe they don't tell you that, though. And if not, I can see why.

94 Wishbone  5/25/08 1:31:11 pm reply quote

re: #84 Boogberg

Boogberg........ You should be ashamed of yourself.

What sort of person dares so much as to suggest that there could be a political backlash in progress in Britain, forced by the disastrous policies of the lamented Labour government and enacted by the people at the ballot box, who are also fed up of the loony bin our country is becoming? And to dare suggest that this has relevance?

Oh, you're going to be popular around here mate.

95 busywolf  5/25/08 1:56:05 pm reply quote

re: #77 rorschach
No, gov' or luv, as the case may be, 'tis them Zionists wot got them in gaol.

And solomonpanting #89, kudos for beating me to it with the Brits actually bending forwards.

96 jamsler  5/25/08 2:03:07 pm reply quote

re: #88 Sacred Plants

I prefer McCain/Lieberman. Lieberman would probably be tougher on the Islamists than Romney who I like better policy-wise. Dump Obama. He's a disaster waiting to happen.

My earlier post didn't address the whether the legal status of reefer is right or wrong, IMHO it's a benign substance that's very unfairly maligned. However, I wouldn't let that opinion override the fact that a McCain administration, although much less likely to legalize it is far better prepared to defend me from those who would kill me if I chose to use it.

97 P. Aaron  5/25/08 2:06:31 pm reply quote

I thought it was jail, I didn't think it was a mosque.

Folks will just blame Israel, 'cause if it's Israel's fault, they can't do anything wrong.

98 Annar  5/25/08 2:09:15 pm reply quote

Why not attempt a trial run of Shari'a law on the prisoners. A few limbs later calm should be restored.

99 Wishbone  5/25/08 2:11:51 pm reply quote

re: #95 busywolf

Have you finished now?

The Sycophantic Sidekick audition is two rooms over.

re: #97 P. Aaron

Define 'Folks'

100 Wishbone  5/25/08 2:13:47 pm reply quote

re: #98 Annar

Not a bad point....... "What are you in for....... Stealing?...... Well you're going to love this.... and I don't want to hear one squeak of complaint from you sunshine........ So....which hand do you scratch your arse with?"

101 busywolf  5/25/08 2:25:25 pm reply quote

re: #99 Wishbone

envious, wishbone?

102 harley2002  5/25/08 2:30:46 pm reply quote

Sad the great British have turned in to sniveling cowards. A sad thing indeed. These people would have surrendered to Hitler in about 1 week after teaching Nazi sensitivity training.

103 Wishbone  5/25/08 2:38:27 pm reply quote

re: #101 busywolf

You're kidding, right?

re: #102 harley2002

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Come on over and walk into a pub in one of our major cities and let them know just how you feel about us.

If we're such snivelling cowards, you'll be perfectly safe won't you?

104 busywolf  5/25/08 2:43:44 pm reply quote

Dear Wishbone, I guess you'll never know...

105 jamsler  5/25/08 2:53:27 pm reply quote

re: #93 TS

See my #96

106 harley2002  5/25/08 3:01:58 pm reply quote

103
If we're such snivelling cowards, you'll be perfectly safe won't you?

OK the people are not as bad as I think but if the example of the surrender to the Iragis and the way you all are bending over for the muslims is an example of your balls not very good. And screw your pubs smart ass you want to take me on good luck. Or shut your internet couurage mouth. All I see is your country going down hill and if you want to run your big mouth how about doing it in the streets protesting the crap your government is doing. By the why don't you come over her anf run your mouth in one of out bars and see how far you get. Remember WW2 how about a thank you for saving your asses.

107 jamsler  5/25/08 3:23:46 pm