Dagnabit. I can't find my photograph of Kirstin Dunst wearing one.

Good....And good morning.

In the ad that you reference, Rachael is wearing a black-and-white silk scarf with a paisley design that was purchased at a U.S. retail store.

Suddenly, it's not the "scarf" that worries me. It's the "scarf's" availability.

No symbolism intended.

Either you all are dumb as rocks, or think we are.

DD has done the right thing, and I hope Ms. Ray has learned something too.

Good Morning Charles!

So DD agrees it's in poor taste. I wonder if all the drooling moonbats and those who don't see any problem with it will apologize?

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It was selected by the stylist for the advertising shoot. Absolutely no symbolism was intended.

Dunkin'Donuts probably intended no symbolism, I'm not so sure about the stylist though.

Politicizing fashion is a way to mainstream acceptance. But that being said, I do believe in picking my battles.

The Stylist, Muhammad Abdullah, couldn't be reached for comment.

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Hi Charles-check this out.

Toronto's Secret Polygamy Situation

The Imam is a real piece of work...Imam to the Khadr family.

re: #8 Ringo the Gringo

Precisely. The stylist is probably a Marxian wingnut. I'd go 50/50 that Rey thought it was just a scarf.

re: #5 Sharmuta Good morning Sharm! I agree that DD has done the "right" thing here, and would even venture to say that they didn't know it was a
kaffiyeh in the first place!
After all, not everyone is smart enough to read LGF everyday!

The thing I cannot figure out, is why they began the "fight" with the nasty responses, and then bailed.......not good for reputation.

But not everyone finds it so simple a fashion statement. A blogger named Mobius, posting Jan. 16 on Jewschool, a Jewish blog that targets a young audience, blasted Urban Outfitters for selling kaffiyehs. Taking issue with the retailer’s decision to label the item an “anti-war woven scarf,” Mobius posted pictures of terrorists adorned in kaffiyehs.

Boy- the nyt really goes out of it's way to ignore LGF.

What's going to be a new hot fashion accessory in the future? A suicide belt? Swastika, perhaps?

I know some photogs who do product shoots.

Nothing in an image is by chance. They'll spend time on a single fold in scarf so it looks just so. They want me to believe the whole things was selected by chance?

re: #7 JammieWearingFool

So DD agrees it's in poor taste. I wonder if all the drooling moonbats and those who don't see any problem with it will apologize?

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Don't be silly. All the moonbats will see in the letter is:

It was selected by the stylist for the advertising shoot. Absolutely no symbolism was intended.

Good.

Of course, now it's just on to next year's fashion trend; the SS uniform. Which will be "denuded of all political content", naturally.

Imam Hindy: Threats, Seething Violence.

re: #1 MandyManners

Dagnabit. I can't find my photograph of Kirstin Dunst wearing one.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Dr. Swedenburg doesn’t think it should be viewed this way. “I think to associate it directly with terrorism is to tar all Palestinians with the brush of terrorism,” he said. “That’s a mischaracterization.”

After all, only about 75% of Palestinians support terrorist mass murder.

re: #21 Charles

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Thanks!

re: #3 laZardo

Well.....what we oughta do is find out which store they got it at, and then work to shut that down, too..... :)

They must be going ga ga over at Salon.

re: #3 laZardo

Eh. This is such a vague dodge as to be practically useless info. I mean, "U.S. Retail Store" could mean "Yasser's House of Crab Kabash and Jihadi Depot" or it could mean Sears.

It would be nice to know where the Death Scarf was purchased from.

re: #25 pat

They must be going ga ga over at Salon.

Hell, they're stuck on ga-ga.

I wonder why they didn't consider a confederate flag scarf. It would bring out the color in Rachel's lovely eyes.

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re: #27 MandyManners

Hell, they're stuck on ga-ga.

More like goo-goo whaaaaa!

re: #8 Ringo the Gringo

Dunkin'Donuts probably intended no symbolism, I'm not so sure about the stylist though.

Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!

re: #17 jcm Ah, no I think the photographer knows very well what he/she was doing. I do believe that DD didn't know what it was and now that they do, they're not gonna use it.

re: #27 MandyManners

Palio Ga Ga?

All advertising shots are planned down to the last detail. This ad was probably part of a multi-million dollar ad campaign. I'd like to know which ad agency was invloved with this. Anyone know?

I took a look at two pics of the scarf. Her scarf did look slightly different then the one worn by Hugo Chavez with the black design. I think somebody tried to make a statement with a close look alike with the intent to confuse. A freedom fighter subliminal message of support but boy,
were they wrong !

I just remembered that not only do a few of my classmates wear the "scarf" like that...

...but so does my immediate supervisor at my OJT.

/curls up in corner and trembles

Hamas and the PA have now cancelled all Dunkin Donuts franchise agreements in Gaza and the West Bank

you can't have your coffee unless you have your kaffiyeh...

We've been doing pretty good at putting out the fires --wish we could find & shut down the pyromaniac(s), though.....

re: #33 mj

I'd like to know which ad agency was invloved with this. Anyone know?

It was Wekeelyukuffardog Advertising. Why do you ask?

re: #38 Occasional Reader

It was Wekeelyukuffardog Advertising. Why do you ask?

too funny

re: #36 mrdriven

missing sarc tag? or, missing link? :)

re: #17 jcm Yes, as I said, I don't think DD knew about it, but if they use that stylist/photographer again they'll be
[Link: www.imeem.com...]

re: #33 mj

It doesn't say on the press release.

re: #29 jcm

More like goo-goo whaaaaa!

They don't strike me as as whiney as KosKids but, maybe I'm wrong.

So, I wont buy from Starbucks 'cause the promote atheism, Dunks are dhimmies, I boycott China...I am soon going to have to live in a cave and wear skins...but at least I will have a clean heart regarding my spending $.

An no, I am not being silly, I really don't buy any thing made in china or any thing "made in America with ""foreign""parts"

Man, this is really starting to piss me off. Now I can even get a cup of joe at dunks.

Well I guess its the little local guy who will get my $

re: #32 alexwest

Palio Ga Ga?

I love it! Thanks!

re: #26 alexwest

"Yasser's House of Crab Kabash and Jihadi Depot"

LOL.

Although it might be more realistic if the store was called "Crazy Yasser's House of Crab Kabash and Jihadi Depot."

"Our prices crazy at Crazy Yasser's House of Crab Kabah and Jihadi Depot. Buy one suicide belt, get two free! That's just crazy! Crazy exciting! Death to America!"

There's no reason for a stylist to throw a scarf on a woman wearing a v-necked top, especially someone like Rachel Ray who tries to pretend she has cleavage every chance she gets.

Now if we could just get all those Silicon Valley types to stop dressing like Iranians...

Oh shit...James Baker is part owner of DD!

"The Carlyle Group, along with Bain Capital and Thomas H. Lee Partners, bought Dunkin' Brands from Pernod Ricard for $2.4 billion in 2006. They promptly launched “the most significant repositioning effort in the company’s history, focusing on the American values of hard work and fun,” supported by a humungous multi-million dollar ad campaign."
[Link: www.brandchannel.com...]

re: #31 realwest

Ah, no I think the photographer knows very well what he/she was doing. I do believe that DD didn't know what it was and now that they do, they're not gonna use it.

Granted DD may be in the blind.

The building in the background looks the OR capitol, pretty moonbatty in Salem. If they used local talent for the shoot a "peace scarf" would have been a natural.

re: #38 Occasional Reader

It was Wekeelyukuffardog Advertising. Why do you ask?

Dude! Just spat out a drink of OJ.

re: #16 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I heard that Rachel Ray has a hate-jealousy group similar to the bunch that hated Kathy Lee Gifford enough to set up poor old Frank with that big boom-boomed chick. I kinda like Rachel - well except when she wears the terrorist garb.

re: #49 mj

Oh shit...James Baker is part owner of DD!

"The Carlyle Group, along with Bain Capital and Thomas H. Lee Partners, bought Dunkin' Brands from Pernod Ricard for $2.4 billion in 2006. They promptly launched “the most significant repositioning effort in the company’s history, focusing on the American values of hard work and fun,” supported by a humungous multi-million dollar ad campaign."
[Link: www.brandchannel.com...]

That is one seriously weirod connection.

re: #8 Ringo the Gringo

Dunkin'Donuts probably intended no symbolism, I'm not so sure about the stylist though.

I don't know- it's quite possible the stylist was following along with the mainstreaming of the scarf and likewise had/has no idea about the symbolism.

Just last month, I was outside a bar when I saw a young gay man walk in wearing a "peace" scarf. I turned to the hostess and said, "Boy- there's irony". She didn't understand, so I told her what the scarf symbolized and asked her if she knew what happened to homosexuals under islam- she didn't.

There's still a whole lot of ignorance out there, and every time we get a chance to enlighten, we should do so. Now DD, Rachael, and her stylist are all aware. Hopefully, we'll see this trend (of both the scarf and the ignorance) disappear.

Got it. Heh.

They are from Boston.

re: #44 swampscott WOW! I'm impress - seriously. Say when you find a store where men's shirts aren't made in either China or Vietnam, would ya kindly let me know?

Does anyone know what this is:

res[Link: webhelper.dll...]

I get this when I attempt to log on to various websites. And, my computer is navigating the internet slower than molasses.

It's been happening for about three days. I did a System Restore for seven days ago, and that did not take care of the problem.

I am running Norton anti-virus.

Ms. Hukahori doesn’t have to answer any such questions; she hasn’t worn her kaffiyeh in public in months. It would never make her stand out with a club doorman today, she feels. The kaffiyeh, she said, is “dead.”

Translation: I keep finding out that I am an ignorant moron and will once again use my magic fashion wand to make the issue go away.

In politics, they always say DON'T WEAR THE FUNNY HAT.

She wore the funny Nazi Jihadi scarf-so tough titties about the backlash...

The mooks at Crooks and Liars are sneering and gibbering over this ... see the update.

Watch, though -- they'll never mention the fact that DD ended up pulling the ad.

re: #44 swampscott

So, I wont buy from Starbucks 'cause the promote atheism

I must have missed that one. Of course, being an atheist I don't mind, but I'd still be interested to hear about it.

re: #13 realwest

Good morning Sharm! I agree that DD has done the "right" thing here, and would even venture to say that they didn't know it was a
kaffiyeh in the first place!
After all, not everyone is smart enough to read LGF everyday!

I would tend to agree with you here. After all Dunkin Donuts tends to be OK. Remember they are the company that promised NOT to hire illegal immigrants. I believe them and do also hold them harmless. It helps that I like their coffee.

re: #44 swampscott

Good on ya!
I hope you don't need any furniture, though...last time I bought furniture, I was told it's all made in China now.

THREE months ago, Jay Hukahori, a 24-year-old fashion design student at Parsons, went to a party at Guesthouse, a club in Chelsea, in an outfit topped off by a kaffiyeh, a scarf with a black and white chain-link pattern and knotted tassels that is typically worn in Arab countries.

Interesting... Parsons is part of Bob Kerry's "The New School" international university, specializing in exchange students with socialist bent who are interested in media studies...

Norman Hsu and other interesting friends of Hillary's were on the board, and it's where the 9/11 Commission hearings were held here.

re: #59 uncle_monkey

I've heard that club doormen actually serve as fashion arbiters, to determine who is chic enough to get in the door. Can this really be true? How does this work? Does the doorman go, "Ohh, that is just too cute. You can pass! But you, oh my, that is so last year. No vogueing for you tonight, girlfriend!"

Yet, it's the "Peace" activists, Anarchists, Socialists, Islamic Fascists, etc. that foam at the mouth at the sight of the American Flag in all its shapes and sizes; also taking the forms of scarfs, shirts, sweaters, badges, pins, etc. because of its symbolism.

just a paisley scarf = plausible deniability

One of these days I'll stop typing comments here while doing other things, and my comments will actually be readable. arg.

I scanned through some of their comments - boring. My day typically gets off to a better start any time I'm called a "knuckle-dragger."

re: #44 swampscott

I really don't buy any thing made in china or any thing "made in America with ""foreign""parts"

Um, good luck with that.

So, no electronics or automobiles for you, eh?

It was selected by the stylist for the advertising shoot.

Let's see, Rachael is wearing a tight, short-sleeved low-cut blue top; let's drape her in a black and white scarf.

Great "stylist" ya got there.

re: #64 J.D.

Good on ya!
I hope you don't need any furniture, though...last time I bought furniture, I was told it's all made in China now.

Well here is were 2 competing concepts to clash. Your political principals and the need to find a comfortable landing zone for your ass?

re: #44 swampscott

I wont buy from Starbucks 'cause the promote atheism,

I hadn't heard that one before. How do they promote atheism?

Using islamo-fascist gear as a marketing tool is an indicator of how out of touch with reality some folks are. The idolization and marketing of the monster che is another example.

OT - speaking of marketing foolishness, Subway sandwich stores have EXCLUDED homeschoolers from its essay contest. Gee, I wonder why? My family, which loves Subway's food, and homeschools, shall NEVER eat there again. (See Michelle Malkin for details.)

re: #63 Nevergiveup

Sure.....good to give the benefit of the doubt......but it still puzzles as to why the guy who responded was so unprofessional in being snarky.....

Re comment #58

I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WOULD TURN INTO A LINK.

I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT VIRUSES.

BUT, IT WOULD SEEM TO BE A BAD IDEA TO CLICK ON THAT.

MAYBE THE COMMENT WILL HAVE TO BE TAKEN DOWN.

re: #73 Nevergiveup

Well here is were 2 competing concepts to clash. Your political principals and the need to find a comfortable landing zone for your ass?

Ya just can't win.

Hey Geeps!

The only thing missing now is the Hamas T.V. ripoff of Dunkin' Donuts ads.

[bleary-eyed early A.M. jihadist] "Make the bomb vests... I have to make the bomb vests..."

re: #1 MandyManners

Dagnabit. I can't find my photograph of Kirstin Dunst wearing one.

here be a link of more losers...

"(The scarf) was selected by the stylist for the advertising shoot."

Let's see Rachel. You can say, ummm, "I'm not wearing that."

re: #76 Ma Sands

Sure.....good to give the benefit of the doubt......but it still puzzles as to why the guy who responded was so unprofessional in being snarky.....

It's not my proudest moment, but a day without coffee is like?

re: #16 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican

What's going to be a new hot fashion accessory in the future? A suicide belt? Swastika, perhaps?

Che and Mao gear as we all know is still all the rave and has far transcended the rebel teenager or the marxist revolutionary. I predict these scarves will also lose all meaning and become mainstream as well. Whether thats a good thing or not I still haven't made up my mind. In my opinion the Che stuff has gone so far to the mainstream that it has become almost a parody. Noone takes it seriously anymore.

re: #63 Nevergiveup

I would tend to agree with you here. After all Dunkin Donuts tends to be OK. Remember they are the company that promised NOT to hire illegal immigrants. I believe them and do also hold them harmless. It helps that I like their coffee.

and some of their do nuts are good. i'm glad they pulled the ad. i might be able to go back. ( i am a do nut person.)

Sent an email complaint on Friday. Now I will send one to tell them how much this loyal customer appreciates them hearing my concerns. BTW, I really like the coffee.

The truth about kaffiyehs is that they come in many patterns and colors, but when worn by Westerners or other non-Arabs they are generally seen as a symbol of solidarity with the Palestinians in particular, and with pan-Arabism in general. This is why they are so popular among Leftists and activists around the world, especially in the West.

Here are a variety of kaffiyeh designs and styles that I've photographed:

[Link: www.ringospictures.com...]

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Hey J.D.!

Good news all around glad to hear. (From the morning thread.)

re: #61 Charles

I liked this comment:

Manufactured outrage. For their next trick they’ll be singing ‘war against xmas’ carols around a bonfire of Darwin’s works. Wrapped in flags of course.

And this one too:

My fellow C&Lers, these people still believe the Earth is 6 thousand years old and flat!

I think "Crooks & Liars" is a very fitting name for them.

re: #85 snowcrash

That's a good idea.

I had never heard of Rachel Ray until LGF mentioned her. There must be a lot of foodies out there.

re: #83 Soccer Fan

No one but Memri TV, and all propaganda outlets worldwide;)

re: #83 Soccer Fan

In my opinion the Che stuff has gone so far to the mainstream that it has become almost a parody. Noone takes it seriously anymore.

I do not take it so lightly.

No, of course not every college kid wearing a Che T-shirt is about to becomes a card-carrying member of a Communist party. But symbols are important. The Che iconography reinforces - almost subliminally - the concept that the hard-left is both noble, and cool. In contrast, conservative symbols are consistently held up for ridicule.

re: #55 Sharmuta

I don't know- it's quite possible the stylist was following along with the mainstreaming of the scarf and likewise had/has no idea about the symbolism.

Just last month, I was outside a bar when I saw a young gay man walk in wearing a "peace" scarf. I turned to the hostess and said, "Boy- there's irony". She didn't understand, so I told her what the scarf symbolized and asked her if she knew what happened to homosexuals under islam- she didn't.

There's still a whole lot of ignorance out there, and every time we get a chance to enlighten, we should do so. Now DD, Rachael, and her stylist are all aware. Hopefully, we'll see this trend (of both the scarf and the ignorance) disappear.

It's ignorance yes. But it's also selectively choosing PC positions on their part, ir: Anti-War. I was up all night last night watching a phenomenal movie: Reagan, In the Face of Evil. In a nutshell it answered for me why liberals will not face the beast.

re: #65 Thanos Morning/afternoon to you my friend. With all due respect, I'm very familiar with Parsons and with the New School and other than the fact that they do attract "lefty types" (how many conservatives can we name in the fashion/movie fields, again?) I think it's a stretch to link that student with Bob Kerrey, really.

The Keffiyah makers have only one person to really blame for this mess. Yasser fucking Arafat.

re: #90 hermeneutics

There must be a lot of foodies out there.

Actually most of the foodies don't like her. She's a notoriously awful cook.

re: #44 swampscott

Well I guess its the little local guy who will get my $

It's nearly ALWAYS that way with me, whether it be dining, groceries, gas, or retail stores in general. You'll have a very hard time finding me in ANY big-box (all Chinese shit) retailer.

re: #66 godfrey

Jeez, I thought it was just me. I mean, what sort of judgmental fashion power might an elevator operator or janitor hold? A veritable obstacle course of people who hold your social life in the palm of their hand stand between you and the apartment doorway, waiting for that final acknowledgment of fashion chic from the party hostess herself.
Damn, the pressure would be terrible!

Well that's 3 strong votes here, in a couple of minutes, for their coffee........maybe the Gazans oughta take note..... :)

/

re: #44 swampscott

So, I wont buy from Starbucks 'cause the promote atheism, Dunks are dhimmies, I boycott China...I am soon going to have to live in a cave and wear skins...but at least I will have a clean heart regarding my spending $.

An no, I am not being silly, I really don't buy any thing made in china or any thing "made in America with ""foreign""parts"

Man, this is really starting to piss me off. Now I can even get a cup of joe at dunks.

Well I guess its the little local guy who will get my $

The other question to ask is where is the coffee from? Much Colombian coffee benefits FARC, and I imagine most coffee from Asia benefits regimes that we don't want to be supporting. Living in Brazil I drink local coffee that I know only benefits the local farmers so at least I can caffeinate myself with peace of mind.

In the regard to the stupid keffiyeh in their latest ad, I'm sure DD checked the numbers and noticed that "Palestinians" account for only .0001% of sales worldwide. Upon further review it was decided that it's probably not a good idea to encourage "Palestinians" to blow show up in their restaurants in the first place.

The stylist was given a promotion.

re: #86 Ringo the Gringo

It doesn't matter to me what the colours and the patterns are. They all say Jew-hater to me. I actually feel physically repulsed when I see people wearing these modern-day swastikas.

OT:

Obama's Ohio River Valley Problem:

If you have given any attention to the punditry regarding the Democratic primary contests you have probably heard about Obama's so-called "Appalachia Problem." The premise is simple: Obama does not do well with hill people, particularly in places like West Virginia and Kentucky. As a result dire election results from such areas can be safely discounted. Move along...nothing to see here.

The (mostly) unspoken subtext is less subtle. "These are nothing but toothless, racist hillbillies. Can't you hear the banjos?"

The "Appalachia" meme is being pushed by those who want to hide the extent of Obama's difficulties in rural America. By calling it an "Appalachia problem" you can attempt to inoculate against the idea of a more general rural problem for Obama. If one, for example, were to discover an "Ohio River Valley Problem," well it becomes harder to demonize such voters. Whatever images come to mind when you think of the Ohio River Valley and its people, it isn't scary inbred white trash. In fact, most rural Americans would think of these folks as being like themselves in most important ways.

When you look at primary results across that part of the country it becomes clear that Obama does indeed have an "Ohio River Valley" problem.

Here are the results by county in those places bordering the Ohio river:

[Primary Results By State By County Bordering the Ohio River Follow]

So, of the 133 counties in the Ohio River Valley, Obama managed to win 4 (or 3%.) Obama lost 103 (77%) counties by more than 30 percentage points. Obama lost by at least 10 percentage points in 122 (92%) counties.

So the next time someone tries to sell you on the "Appalachia" meme, feel free to laugh in their face.

i believe it's true that DD won't hire illegals; they pulled a very successful (fourth in the state) franchise from Durham for what i believe was that very reason.

Off to work. I'm gonna' check out the accessories department to see if this filth is in my store.

re: #22 Abu Boo Boo

After all, only about 75% of Palestinians support terrorist mass murder.

Only their elected leaders, and the majority that elected them, and about half the others, that's about right.

re: #66 godfrey Well it's been a loooong time since I went clubbing, but yeah, that's EXACTLY how it happened in the "hot" clubs in NYC (see, e.g., Studio 54 in the late 70's/80's before the owners were convicted of facilitating and/or selling cocaine and other sorts of illegal substances!).

re: #75 battletop2

Perhaps they don't want to admit that our homeschooled kids will win every contest ... easily.

re: #88 Sharmuta

Bwaahahahaha!

re: #100 Soccer Fan

Much Colombian coffee benefits FARC,

Source, please?

re: #100 Soccer Fan

I remember back during the Reagan Administration that some of the local moonbats were making a big deal about drinking Nicaraguan coffee.

Grown by forced labor on collective farms. My, my, how progressive.

ah, here's the Starbucks/atheist connection...
Woman expresses indignation at quote on Starbucks cup

Printed on the cup was: "Why in moments of crisis do we ask God for strength and help? As cognitive beings, why would we ask something that may well be a figment of our imaginations for guidance? Why not search inside ourselves for the power to overcome? After all, we are strong enough to cause most of the catastrophes we need to endure."

It is attributed to Bill Schell, a Starbucks customer from London, Ontario, and was included on the cup as part of an effort by the company to collect different viewpoints and spur discussion.

"As someone who loves God, I was so offended by that. I don't think there needs to be religious dialogue on it. I just want coffee," said Incanno, a married mother of three who is Catholic.

re: #96 Killgore Trout

If she's so dreadful at cooking, why the heck is she so well-known and liked?

re: #101 obscured by clouds

In the regard to the stupid keffiyeh in their latest ad, I'm sure DD checked the numbers and noticed that "Palestinians" account for only .0001% of sales worldwide. Upon further review it was decided that it's probably not a good idea to encourage "Palestinians" to blow show up in their restaurants in the first place.

Also, look at ringo's pictures, as often as not the kaffiyeh is used to cover the mouth! Can't have THAT at DD!

Background on The New School, which Parson's design school is part of:

- Leo Hindery: “leading fund-raiser for John Edwards who has given nearly $270,000 to Democratic candidates and committees since the 2004 election cycle”
- Cheryl Cohen Effron: “along with her husband, Blair, an investment banker, has donated about $330,000 to the Democratic Party” since the 2004 election cycle
- Howard Gittis: “vice chairman of McAndrews & Forbes” and “‘bundler’ for the Republican presidential candidate John McCain” who has “donated more than $240,000 to both Democratic and Republican candidates and committees”
- George Haywood: “private investor” and “part of Senator Barack Obama’s inner fund-raising circle” who “helped Mr. Obama manage the money he earned in 2005 from a book deal...donated $130,700 to Democrats since 2004%u2033
- Bernard L. Schwartz: “former chief executive of Loral Corporation, a leading military contractor” who “was particularly close to the Clintons, who invited him to the White House for Mr. Schwartz’s 71st birthday in 1997. Since the 2004 election cycle, Mr. Schwartz has donated $254,600 of his own money” and “is credited with giving $1.5 million to Democrats during the Clinton White House years”

The Influence Peddler wonders if Bob Kerrey will return the money contributed by Hsu here. The New School is somewhat of an enigma — it has a campus two miles from Ground Zero, but also foreign branches.

If you look at the curricula you can see that it’s geared toward a “Liberal” Liberal Arts Degree program, as opposed to a Classic Liberal Arts degree. It appears heavy on media content, and classes designed for activism and activists. The sort of school an insourced foreign contractor or student could coast to a degree at.

re: #96 Killgore Trout

I used to watch her show with my daughter, where she travelled around the US and Canda, eating at all these restaurants..It was always LIKE OH MAH GAWD THIS IS THE MOST AMAZING _________ I have EVER tasted-IT'S LIKE THE creamiest/dreamiest/spiciest blah blah. And she talked like she was on speed, or crack. I SO want the outtakes:

WHAT THE F*CK KINDA GARBAGE IS THIS...*SPEW*...GET ME A BARF BAG-THIS IS DISGUSTING *HURL*

Bet these fugly schmattas fall apart after one washing.If they ever get washed that is.

re: #113 hermeneutics

If she's so dreadful at cooking, why the heck is she so well-known and liked?

She is the Katie Couric of cooking: perky!

Crooks and Liars, in it's attempt to ridicule the association of the Kaffiyeh with terrorism and anti-Americanism, does exactly the opposite. Both the fauxtography and the commentary demonstrate that the association is not only understood, but is approved.

re: #70 rwmofo

I scanned through some of their comments - boring. My day typically gets off to a better start any time I'm called a "knuckle-dragger."

At the Benning School for Boys we learned to drag more than just the knuckles.

re: #112 Killgore Trout

CHRISTIANOPHOBIA!

/hrr, pop-atheism...

re: #93 unrealizedviewpoint

It's ignorance yes. But it's also selectively choosing PC positions on their part, ir: Anti-War. I was up all night last night watching a phenomenal movie: Reagan, In the Face of Evil. In a nutshell it answered for me why liberals will not face the beast.

because they are cowards? or stupid? or truly evil?

And speaking of FARC... bwaahahahahaha!

My take: The ad looks like it was made to advertise their "new breakfast choices," which are supposedly healthier: bagel, latte, blueberry cream cheese. This tells us that younger people are the intended demographic.
I'm a member of this demographic, so I feel qualified to comment, since I'm the kind of person they're aiming the ad at.

I am not convinced that there is a subliminal message here, as so many are saying. To me, I look at the kaffiyeh she's wearing, and I think something along the lines of "oh, that's a nice scarf she's wearing." That's the reaction that most people will have. You may say that nothing in advertising is accidental, and that the choice of the attire is intentional, and has a political message behind it. But, if the message is lost on most people, then it is a wasted effort, no? Why put a political garment on someone (which costs money and time) if few people see it as such? It's an inefficient use of resources to get the person's message out, and that's why I don't think it's a political message.

Sometimes a scarf is just a scarf, even if it's a kaffiyeh. If it were worn in a political context, then I would not be so skeptical.

re: #118 itellu3times

I'm perky and I can't boil water. May I have a tv show, please?

re: #112 Killgore Trout

Woman expresses indignation at quote on Starbucks cup

I always like it when real headlines look exactly like The Onion headlines.

re: #123 Occasional Reader

I thought I smelled burning bacon.

re: #122 nyc redneck

Stupid, ignorant of history, utopian, Marxist at hearts, and yes-many are evil...sympathizing with the most barbaric waves of distruction that human beings have ever unleashed on one another.

All your donuts are belong to us.

re: #116 WriterMom

I kept confusing her with Giada de Laurentis from Everyday Italian. o_O Weird.

re: #113 hermeneutics

If she's so dreadful at cooking, why the heck is she so well-known and liked?

There are all sorts of dreadful people who are well-known and liked. In fact, a couple of them are currently running for President.

re: #130 laZardo

She's gorgeous.

re: #87 Geepers

Hey J.D.!

Good news all around glad to hear. (From the morning thread.)

Thanks {Geeps}. (I know, you hate the hug, but you'll just have to bear with it. :-)

re: #103 RickZ

Obama blames Fox News, e-mail for likely loss in Kentucky
Pre-emptively blamed Fox News. Had nuttin' to do with Obama, no siree...

re: #112 Killgore Trout

ah, here's the Starbucks/atheist connection...
Woman expresses indignation at quote on Starbucks cup

As a Christian, I don't find the comment offensive. Merely someone questioning life, the universe and everythingh

I would say the women complaining.

Is your faith so shallow and weak a quote on a coffee cup causes offensive? I suggest you evaluate you own faith and ask why does this bother me? If you were truly secure in you faith, such a comment would be opportunity to share your faith, not an insult.

re: #126 Occasional Reader

You mean you don't get offended by thoughts on coffee cups? Simpleton.

Man, oh, man, such Rachel hate, geez!

Like I stated in a previous thread, I actually like her shows, but not so much her talk show - in that aspect, she gets pretty shrill, sometimes.

She's a bit like the "girl next door". And, apparently, she knows how to cook, too!

I've even cooked one of her 30-minute meals in - 30 minutes!

Put it this way - if she showed up on my doorstep, wanting to have wild, crazy jungle sex with me, I wouldn't turn her away! Plus, she can cook up a little meal, afterwards!

re: #134 jcm

That reminds me of something that did not make the MSM radar last week. Did you hear about the priest in MN who took out a restraining order against an autistic teenager to keep him and his family from Church? Disgraceful.

re: #75 battletop2

Using islamo-fascist gear as a marketing tool is an indicator of how out of touch with reality some folks are. The idolization and marketing of the monster che is another example.

OT - speaking of marketing foolishness, Subway sandwich stores have EXCLUDED homeschoolers from its essay contest. Gee, I wonder why? My family, which loves Subway's food, and homeschools, shall NEVER eat there again. (See Michelle Malkin for details.)

I have other reasons for boycotting Jared, namely the salmon sandwich add they had a few yerars ago.

re: #125 hermeneutics

Do you look good in tight trendy women's shirts? If so, sign here.

re: #137 WriterMom

Yup. And you're right.

re: #123 Occasional Reader

Died of a "heart attack," according to CNN.

IMO most likely caused by a 7.62x39mm M43...

re: #92 Occasional Reader Hey, good afternoon to you O.R. - mentioned this on the DT, but don't know if you were around: if you'd like an ornament for your desk top, for free, try: [Link: www.deskflag.com...]
Y'all can put a 3/4" by 3/4" image of Old Glory waving in the breeze anywhere on your computer screen that you like.
I think that's kinda cool.

re: #136 6pat6

CRAZY JUNGLE SEX? I thought this was a family thread.

LOL.

re: #108 hermeneutics.

I believe you have contacted the nail in an effective location.

re: #138 JeremyR

Homeshoolers are not eligible? WTF! Sounds like Subway is back on the "I-don't-buy-here-either" list - the first time was the worst "service" I've ever had in a sandwich shop!

re: #139 Athens Runaway

No comment!

re: #137 WriterMom

That reminds me of something that did not make the MSM radar last week. Did you hear about the priest in MN who took out a restraining order against an autistic teenager to keep him and his family from Church? Disgraceful.

We've have a family with two autistic boys, we frequently sit next to them. With 4 and 3 year old boys, sitting in back is more convieninat.

I can't imagine every asking them to leave. The noise kids make in general is just part of life.

That priest is going to wish he had a mill stone around his neck.

re: #137 WriterMom

Being a Floridian, I'm not too keen on this story, but felt the need to include it here... it ain't about the church.... it's just disgraceful wherever it may occur....

[Link: www.tcpalm.com...]

It's disgraceful where ever it rears it's head IMO.

re: #122 nyc redneck

because they are cowards? or stupid? or truly evil?

The blinders approach is very effective when it comes to fighting evil.

re: #113 hermeneutics

If she's so dreadful at cooking, why the heck is she so well-known and liked?

It's all about ratings - she's 'arguably' entertaining.

re: #148 The Albatross

Oh my God. I'm crying now..I have to go.

re: #58 Pastorius

Does anyone know what this is:

res[Link: webhelper.dll...]

I get this when I attempt to log on to various websites. And, my computer is navigating the internet slower than molasses.

It's been happening for about three days. I did a System Restore for seven days ago, and that did not take care of the problem.

I am running Norton anti-virus.

Webhelper.dll is a Hewlett Packard IP/TCP protocol which acts as a virtual tunneling conduit for the HP software update and diagnostic tools. It comes bundled with all HP computers. How you disable it depends on which OS you are using.

re: #113 hermeneutics

If she's so dreadful at cooking, why the heck is she so well-known and liked?

i only saw her show once. she seemed so uninspired and disconnected from her culinary endeavor. some kind of french stew.
she's quirky and odd and that may be her 'charm'. i didn't get the impression that she loved food, tho.

re: #129 ROP?LOL

All your donuts are belong to us.

What would a DD executive make of this remark? hehe

SANDSTORMOPHOBIA SCARF!

re: #110 Occasional Reader

Source, please?

Sorry I don't have a source for this but living, working, and traveling throughout South America gives me access to people who have lets say first hand knowledge of such things. FARC controls certain mountainous areas of Colombia and is able to control large areas of agriculture where they get their "tribute" from the local agriculturists. Here in Brazil there is a group called "MST" (roughly translated those without land) and this group is controlled by marxists and manipulates poor peasants to squat on land so that they can basically steal it and they then attempt to control the local agriculture through coersion and outright theft. The good news is that each and every year this group loses members and influence (they are almost entirely funded by socialists in Europe and USA who believe they are helping a noble cause) but also due to the fact that Brazil's economy has grown and inflation has been totally neutralized, along with the unemployment figures trending downwards, this kind of movement at least here in Brazil (and also in Colombia and Peru) have declined in popularity significantly.

re: #138 JeremyR.

I'll check out the "salmon" ad.

Sir, thank you for your service. Now, if we could only work on the "dem" thing. :)

Okay, I just went on google image search to see what Rachel Ray looks like ... and I don't get it.

She looks like a slutty, slightly overweight, all-cleavage, huge-mouthed, thirty-something. Right now, I'm looking around a ski lodge (where I'm at) and there are at least ten women who could swim circles around her.

She must be a REALLY good cook (or something else.)

Here are just some comments from this moronic blog. "Progressive" and "liberal" peaceloving part of the american society doesn't seem too loyal to their critics. Just feel the love:

64 Kyle Says: The most frightening thing is that those people are allowed to vote, breed and leave their homes.

151 MGB Says: I’m down right shocked that any human being could make that connection. Somebody needs to place her and hannity in front of a fuckin speeding bus.

Feel the wisdom of the progressive thinking:

70 Bret Says: That scarf, actually, is a symbol of solidarity with oppressed people. In the 1920s, during the British Mandate in Palestine, those fighting colonialism often came from rural Palestine and wore the traditional scarf. Palestinians in the cities wore western headgear. So, the British colonizers would round up Palestinians wearing the scarf in cities for fear that they were anti-colonial activists. So, many Palestinians began wearing the scarf in the cities so as to thwart the British efforts of crushing freedom fighters. The scarf became a symbol of solidarity with oppressed people everywear. Then again, that probably why those on the Right, who faciliate oppression, oppose the scarf.

Feel multiculturism of the universal brotherhood:

80 John H. Farr Says: WHAT the everlovin’ FUCK is wrong with wearing a kaffiyeh? I have one and wear it all the time in cold weather. Freaking idiots.

Goth left?

re: #81 rwmofo

"(The scarf) was selected by the stylist for the advertising shoot."

Let's see Rachel. You can say, ummm, "I'm not wearing that."

Maybe Rachel didn't know then, but no more excuses after it was pointed out so clearly.

re: #148 The Albatross

This was a most unbelievable comment after that article you linked to:

This is a great way to let the democratic process intervein in problem solving and conclude in a determination by your peers. This should be a good time for parents to use this as a learning experience for their child. What can he do differently? Does he want to be a member of the class?
This is cutting edge behavior management.
Parents...meet with the teacher and your child to discuss the event and make it the beginning of a positive lesson for your child.
His classmates will be happy to see him truly be a part of their class again. If he wants to be.
Wonder if it would work in the workplace....
No, that wouldn't work... adults would want to blame someone else or sue someone instead of seeing they have a problem that is affecting other people or try to change their attitude for the better of the group.

re: #148 The Albatross

Being a Floridian, I'm not too keen on this story, but felt the need to include it here... it ain't about the church.... it's just disgraceful wherever it may occur....

[Link: www.tcpalm.com...]

It's disgraceful where ever it rears it's head IMO.

I'm not quite sure I understand what you are suggesting here, could you possible make yourself more clear... Because what I see here is a highly disruptive five year old being sent packing by his fellow students who do not find his disruptive behavior to be acceptable.

I'm not going to denigrate another woman- I will, however denigrate Rachael Ray for ignorance of an ideology that would deny her all she's work hard to achieve for herself.

I'd like to ask my fellow lady Lizards to read this book.

...Dunkin' Dumbasses

?

Yes, of course. How dare Dunkin' Donuts bow to the force of reason.

re: #125 hermeneutics

I'm perky and I can't boil water. May I have a tv show, please?

Yes, but you have to start on cable. We'll start with half an hour on KLGF, where you can deconstruct and interpret Rachel Ray's recipes.

On April 7th I went to the San Diego Natural History Museum to view the Pompeii exhibit. It was great, and besides a ridiculous 30 minute film that I expected would be about ancient Pompeii but wasn't, it was a great day.

As we waited for the film to start a young woman who worked for the museum walked down to the lectern to introduce it. She was wearing a kaffeyah wrapped around her neck, though it was not white cloth but a light purple. I took a long look at her because I wanted to be wrong - but the pattern on the scarf was the same I've been seeing for years on campus worn by the usual red-eyed, pachouli drenched liberal arts students outraged at Israel's insistence on existence. When I came home I wrote the museum a letter expressing my dismay. Why would an employee even contemplate wearing a kaffeyah of any color? Here was the response I got from Delle Willet, Director of Marketing:

"Regarding the person wearing the scarf. We have a dress code for our staff and it doesn’t include wearing scarves of any kind. However, it gets cold for those working near the front entrance, and the Visitor Services person wore her scarf to warm up. I can assure you that the scarf was not being worn to send any kind of a message other than “I’m cold.” The staff of the Museum is VERY diverse and very tolerant of different opinions, cultures, styles, ideas, religions, sexual orientations, etc.

We regret that you were offended by the scarf."

It would have been better for Ms Willet to not any response at all, but apparently she felt the need to tell me 'no scarves allowed, except the ones that represent how VERY diverse and very tolerant of different opinions, cultures, styles, ideas, religions, sexual orientations, etc.' they are...

re: #163 Sharmuta

Rachael Ray books!

re: #162 doriangrey

I'm not quite sure I understand what you are suggesting here, could you possible make yourself more clear... Because what I see here is a highly disruptive five year old being sent packing by his fellow students who do not find his disruptive behavior to be acceptable.

What I see is a teacher who manipulated her 5 year old students into committing an act of unadulterated cruelty. Your assumption is that 5 year olds have the capacity to understand what they were voting to do. It was the teacher who found the boy's behavior unacceptable. She mis-used her authority to promote an outcome she desired.
She should have met with her school principle and worked out any problems with the boy without involving her students.

re: #148 The Albatross

Asperger's? I got that too. No seriously.

Welcome to the real world, kid.

re: #148 The Albatross

Being a Floridian, I'm not too keen on this story, but felt the need to include it here... it ain't about the church.... it's just disgraceful wherever it may occur....

[Link: www.tcpalm.com...]

It's disgraceful where ever it rears it's head IMO.

You have got to be fucking kidding me. That teacher should not only be fired, but should never be allowed to have another job that involves working with children.

re: #167 itellu3times

Sorry- I'm quite serious about misogyny, and attacking women for their looks is on the list as men aren't the only misogynists. I'm just asking my fellow Lizards to lay off her looks, and attack the substance of this issue.

re: #162 doriangrey

what I see here is a highly disruptive five year old being sent packing by his fellow students who do not find his disruptive behavior to be acceptable.

You must have missed this part:

5-year-old Alex Barton's teacher made him stand in front of his kindergarten class and had his fellow students say what they didn't like about him and then vote whether he should remain in the class.

My wife is pained by the DD Rachel Ray ad. She is a fan of Rachel's and we both love DDs coffee. Not sure yet if Rachel's books are going to be dumped.

Glad that DD has stopped the ad. One victory at a time.

Looking forward to tomorrow's BB. All family members are on the right side of the fence. :)

re: #168 MJ

What I see is a teacher who manipulated her 5 year old students into committing an act of unadulterated cruelty. Your assumption is that 5 year olds have the capacity to understand what they were voting to do. It was the teacher who found the boy's behavior unacceptable. She mis-used her authority to promote an outcome she desired.
She should have met with her school principle and worked out any problems with the boy without involving her students.

You have got to be kidding... right? We live in a corrupt PC culture where teachers get fired and sued for failing kids who get caught cheating and you think going to an administrator is a good idea? You make the assumption that the teacher manipulated her 5 year old students, rather than accepting the obvious, the kid was a monster who was terrorizing his class. Even five year olds know who they do and do not like and no five year old like being terrorized. These kids just as likely complained to their teacher about this kids behavior and this was her solution.

re: #11 WriterMom

Hi Charles-check this out.

Toronto's Secret Polygamy Situation

The Imam is a real piece of work...Imam to the Khadr

family.

I just finished reading "Stolen Innocence" by Elissa Wall Her story of growing up in a polygamous sect. becoming a teenage bride, and breaking free of warren jeffs.

re: #172 David Simon

Aww, aint that terrible, a five year old being forced to find out that he is a monster to his fellow students and they dont like being terrorized... Somebody call the ACLU and a frickin WAMBULANCE..................................

"sent packing by his fellow students?" Man that is the understatement of the day. It was orchestrated at the behest of the teacher and the child was made to stand while his peers criticized him and voted.

I put it up because I wasn't about to let people bang on a priest on a Sunday... when the truth is it's a non issue... the treatment of those who are not seen as normal is dispicable... right smack dab in the middle of a public school system.

You sir, are talking about a five year old. Would you say the same if it were your child?

re: #176 doriangrey

Aww, aint that terrible, a five year old being forced to find out that he is a monster to his fellow students and they dont like being terrorized... Somebody call the ACLU and a frickin WAMBULANCE.............................. ....

You are one sick fuck.

Congratulations, Charles! Thank you for educating a segment of American tv viewers who may not know there's a war on, and that the keffiyeh is the emblem of the side attacking us.

Anyone here recall that another famous tv foodie, in fact the grandmother of all tv foodies, JULIA CHILD, was a brainy woman who served her country while teaching international cuisine?

Julia Child was a worldy, aware woman, who ALSO knew everything foodie.

For her service to her country both at the CIA prehaps during WWII, or its predecessor, the OSS, on this Memorial Day Weekend, I salute Julia Child for bringing intelligence of all kinds back to the USA!

re: #176 doriangrey

I'm surprised my mom didn't call the Filipino equivalent when I got kicked out of high school. The flashbacks of hearing the guard and my parents talk about teachers and students who were erstwhile trying to help me lining up to have me withdrawn because I tried to defend myself from a bully aren't exactly healthy for my mind.

re: #33 mj

All advertising shots are planned down to the last detail. This ad was probably part of a multi-million dollar ad campaign. I'd like to know which ad agency was invloved with this. Anyone know?

Here is the ad agency.

Hill Holliday

re: #176 doriangrey

So now autistic children are "monsters"? You're an ass.

re: #177 The Albatross

"sent packing by his fellow students?" Man that is the understatement of the day. It was orchestrated at the behest of the teacher and the child was made to stand while his peers criticized him and voted.

I put it up because I wasn't about to let people bang on a priest on a Sunday... when the truth is it's a non issue... the treatment of those who are not seen as normal is dispicable... right smack dab in the middle of a public school system.

You sir, are talking about a five year old. Would you say the same if it were your child?

If I had a child who was a disruptive little monster I would have taken action long before this to correct his behavior. I am a firm believer in discipline as needed to produce acceptable social behavior. My sister-in-law ran a day care for 10 years, I have seen kids like this many times before. This kid is a monster and will only grow into a larger problem child because of mentalities like yours and his mothers.

Peer pressure and effective discipline are the only way to correct this monsters behavior, making excuses and codling will only empower him to continue being a disruptive and eventually a serious problem for society. Personally responsibility for ones actions should know no age limit. The sooner it is learned the greater its impact on the individual.

re: #171 Sharmuta

Sorry- I'm quite serious about misogyny, and attacking women for their looks is on the list as men aren't the only misogynists. I'm just asking my fellow Lizards to lay off her looks, and attack the substance of this issue.

Hey, Julia Child wasn't exactly a Playboy bunny, nor are any of the female stars on the Food Network. Ray is cute enough. Heck, cute may be contra-indicated for this genre. The food is the star, or just the cheerful busy-ness. I have nothing against Ray except she may not have been sufficiently aware that her scarf looked like a kaffiyeh and/or what that meant.

The child was in the process of diagnosis... if the child was disruptive, there were other steps to be taken to remove him from the classroom.

A child was needlessly stigmatized and an impression, not a good one made on his classmates.

Drunken Donuts, indeed.

re: #178 David Simon

You are one sick fuck.

No, that would be you David.

re: #182 Sharmuta

So now autistic children are "monsters"? You're an ass.

When autism is used as an excuse for unacceptable behavior not only is the autistic child a monster, so is everyone who enables that behavior. Children who are genuinely autistic should not be in class rooms with normal children. The autistic children suffer because they do not get the guidance and help they need and the normal children suffer because already taxed resources intended for their education are taken away from them diminishing their education and they are forced to endure the trauma of dealing with highly disruptive and often violent children.

re: #11 WriterMom

Hi Charles-check this out.

Toronto's Secret Polygamy Situation

The Imam is a real piece of work...Imam to the Khadr family.

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]
first time i ever quoted abc but i read her book this weekend.
heart breaking and pure evil

re: #183 doriangrey

Peer pressure and effective discipline are the only way to correct this monsters behavior, making excuses and codling will only empower him to continue being a disruptive and eventually a serious problem for society. Personally responsibility for ones actions should know no age limit. The sooner it is learned the greater its impact on the individual.

Having him made the defendant of a show trial with his classmates as jury and teacher as judge and executioner is supposed to correct his behavior. Right.

You know, personal responsibility is not something easily maintained, let alone learned in an environment where you have to fit in or be railroaded and ostracized as a freak. That especially goes for parents too...having a kid with a learning-behavioral disability doesn't exactly make the job easier. And I - or rather, my parents - should know...

re: #185 The Albatross

The child was in the process of diagnosis... if the child was disruptive, there were other steps to be taken to remove him from the classroom.

A child was needlessly stigmatized and an impression, not a good one made on his classmates.

In the process my ass, autism is very easily diagnosed, it has a very distinctive signature that shows up on a EEG. The tests take about an hour. This is nothing but a bullshit rationalization to excuse both disruptive behavior and little or no parental discipline.

re: #187 doriangrey

autism is a medical condition the cause is clearly not understood but it is real.

just like many other forms of mental ill and learning disablities they are not an excuse nor are they made up.

Briinging it round to the quote that promped my post....
contrast and compare a restraining order with the events of this public school. Sad, yes. But only one is disgusting.

Here's the link for writermom's post: "A US priest has taken out a restraining order barring a family of seven from attending Mass with their autistic 13 year old 100 kg son.

Bertha, Minnesota parish priest, Fr Daniel Walz alleges that Adam Race's unruly behaviour endangers others who attend the Church of St Joseph, the US ABC News reports.

Race's parents have ignored the restraining order, calling it discriminatory, and Carol Race, Adam's mother, was cited by police and is due to appear in court for violating the order.

But Mrs Race changed her mind about another breach when local Sheriff Pete Mikkelson met her at the end of her driveway Sunday and told her she would be arrested if she brought her son, Adam, to church.

Instead, Race took Adam and her four other children to Mass at Christ the King Church in nearby Browerville, Minnesota.

"It occurred to me that if I step foot in (St Joseph's), they will arrest me and I won't end up going to Mass anyway," she said.

A court hearing on the matter has been continued until June 2 so that Race can hire an attorney.

Mrs Race told reports that Fr Walz accused the parents of failing to discipline their son.

"He said that our son was physically out of control and a danger to everyone at church," Carol Race said. "I can't discipline him out of his autism, and I think that's what our priest is expecting."

Carol Race said it all started last June, when Walz and a church trustee visited the Races at their home address about the behaviour of Adam, who stands taller than 180cm and weighs more than 100kg.

In an affidavit, Walz said the church "explored and offered many options for accommodations that would assist the family while protecting the safety of parishioners. The family refused those offers of accommodation."

*snip*

There is a distinct difference between a family who is in the process of diagnosing a child, and one that refuses accommodations. THAT was my point.

Priest takes out restraining order on autistic child

re: #191 yochanan

autism is a medical condition the cause is clearly not understood but it is real.

just like many other forms of mental ill and learning disablities they are not an excuse nor are they made up.

True autism yes, but autism is vastly over diagnosed and used to rationalize away disruptive behavior and a lack of parental discipline.

While genuine autism's cause may not be well understood it does leave a unmistakable signature in the brain waves that can be spotted literally from a mile away.

Children that genuinely suffer from autism not only deserve but need to be in a special learning environment.

Priest takes out restraining order on autistic child

re: #192 The Albatross

In an affidavit, Walz said the church "explored and offered many options for accommodations that would assist the family while protecting the safety of parishioners. The family refused those offers of accommodation."

END OF STORY..............

re: #90 hermeneutics

I had never heard of Rachel Ray until LGF mentioned her. There must be a lot of foodies out there.

Me too. I actually had to do a Dogpile search for here name to find out who she is.

She does not appear to be a bad person, and I would be inclined to give her the benefit of doubting that she knew the significance of the garment when it was handed to her by the director of the photoshoot.

re: #193 doriangrey

True autism yes, but autism is vastly over diagnosed and used to rationalize away disruptive behavior and a lack of parental discipline.

While genuine autism's cause may not be well understood it does leave a unmistakable signature in the brain waves that can be spotted literally from a mile away.

Children that genuinely suffer from autism not only deserve but need to be in a special learning environment.

For the sake of argument, let's assume everything you just wrote is true. You are placing the children in the classroom in the position of having to diagnose whether this boy is autistic and whether "mainstreaming" is the proper course for his education.
That decision is obviously not up to his classmates though the teacher, through her actions, has imposed that decision upon them.

re: #195 doriangrey

End of story for writermom's priest/restraining order reference. But not for the disgusting and abhorrent debacle that occurred in the kindergarten class of the five year old in Port St. Lucie. Can you see a difference? I sure as hell can.

Charles -- Great work! Congratulations to you and Michelle Malkin.....

Rachel Ray is the most annoying TV personality to come along in decades since BaBA WaWa has been on the air.........it looks good on her.

re: #200 Carioca Canuck

You from Rio de Janeiro, living in Canada.....? :)

Sorry Writer mom... love you... just couldn't give it a pass.

re: #202 The Albatross

You have done well.

doriangrey, do have children?

Do you know any children with autism? Your comments are so calous and uncaring. Reasonable people can come up with solutions for any problem. That means, finding an acceptable solution that doesn't put a five year old mentally disabled child at the mercy of a teacher and five year old peers. I hope you don't work with children.

How cruel some of your comments are...quite shocking.

re: #147 jcm

We've have a family with two autistic boys, we frequently sit next to them. With 4 and 3 year old boys, sitting in back is more convieninat.

I can't imagine every asking them to leave. The noise kids make in general is just part of life.

That priest is going to wish he had a mill stone around his neck.

This story made the TV news here in Alberta. The kid, who is darn near fully grown, was urinating in the church, for Pete's sake. And misbehaving in other ways. In short, he was being offensive and disruptive. Now it may not have been intentional on his part, but his presence was making it difficult for the other parishioners to pay attention to the service. The priest made the right decision, IMHO, and I applaud his courage.

Also, I really doubt if his mental condition made it possible for him to derive any benefit from being present at the service anyway.

Autism is a tragic condition, and one of the tragic aspects of it is that it screws up the victim's ability to interact socially. And saying it ain't so doesn't alter that fact.

re: #204 WriterMom

Thank you. That is exactly what needed to be said.

re: #195 doriangrey

We don't know what the Church offered. What they offered might have been totally unreasonable as well. Don't you think it ups the ante considerably to put a restraining order on a mentally disabled child? Who does that serve? God? The congregation?

re: #205 Alberta Oil Peon

Darned near grown up, huh? Who were the people in the Church worshipping? God? Didn't Jesus hang out with leppers and the most dreadful dregs of society? Who are you to judge that boy? We don't know what kind of accomodation was offered to the family. Maybe they wanted the parents upstairs and to shut the kid up downstairs in the basement, to let himself soil himself and bang his head against the wall.

Are you a Christian? Are you perfect.

Shame on you.

re: #205 Alberta Oil Peon

It's really quite astounding how much an autistic child offends you and other church goers in the story. It frankly says much more about you, than that poor soul and his family.

re: #207 WriterMom

What troubled me about that story, is that God has told us not to go to court against fellow believers.......I think both the priest, and the mother of the child, need to do some soul searching.

re: #210 Ma Sands

It is horrendous. Couldn't some loving volunteer at the Church give the parents a break, and watch the child so they could worship?

For the record, I teach swim to autistic children and have yet to have had an incident. I am sensitive though to the needs of the child and pay particular attention to triggers.

Glints, sounds, crowds... any or all may overwhelm a child. Also we do have several children in our church, who do very well and who accept church accommodations so as not to disrupt our worship service. We have teachers who lovingly provide guidance for these children while their parents are in worship.

It is an expression of love and support for our brothers and sisters in Christ. But refusing that, it is none the less a service of worship. I find no fault in the priest safeguarding by restraining order to protect those who want the experience of corporeal worship.

re: #212 The Albatross

Like I said...reasonable people can find ways of solving the problem.

Thanks WriterMom.

re: #211 WriterMom

The wife of the pastor of our church has 8 children.....the middle one is autistic, and the youngest is Down's Syndrome........I love how the people of the church rally 'round them.......unto even the young ladies who've had training, being daily caretakers of one and the other, in their home and at church.....

re: #173 richiep

My wife is pained by the DD Rachel Ray ad. She is a fan of Rachel's and we both love DDs coffee. Not sure yet if Rachel's books are going to be dumped.

Glad that DD has stopped the ad. One victory at a time.

Looking forward to tomorrow's BB. All family members are on the right side of the fence. :)

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Fortunate family you are! Thank you for your steady patient approach to winning the PR war back from trendy CAIR and CAIR enablers who put fashion before fundamental values.

re: #204 WriterMom

doriangrey, do have children?

Do you know any children with autism? Your comments are so calous and uncaring. Reasonable people can come up with solutions for any problem. That means, finding an acceptable solution that doesn't put a five year old mentally disabled child at the mercy of a teacher and five year old peers. I hope you don't work with children.

How cruel some of your comments are...quite shocking.

Do I know any children with autism, yes. Have I met any children who didn't actually have autism whose parent used it as an excuse for their terrible behavior, again yes.

Have I ever worked with children, yes and shockingly I am great with children. And yes I can tell the difference between a mentally disabled child, and a child that is disruptive and unruly because of poor parental discipline.

Reasonable people? A reasonable person would know long before their child entered kindergarten that their child was autistic and would never place them in a public kindergarten. A reasonable person would never use or accept the rationalization of autism for a child's disruptive behavior in a public kindergarten. A reasonable person would have no problem with a child's classmates objecting to being forced to endure a disruptive unruly child in their class.

The family refused accommodations.

Autistic children are not disruptive and unruly. They are interpreting their surroundings in a completely different way, tolerance, not democracy is the lesson these children in Port St. Lucie have been deprived of.

re: #217 doriangrey

And I would think a reasonable adult person would know better than to stigmatize a five year old.

re: #217 doriangrey

You have met parents who use autism as an "excuse" for children's bad behaviour? That's interesting. So, you can tell if the child is just a rotten kid, misbehaving, OR if the parents are lying about a diagnosis. Wow.

Has Rachael Ray commented on this story yet? If she's a moonbat, I doubt she could resist.

I like her shows, anyway.

re: #220 Sharmuta

And I would think a reasonable adult person would know better than to stigmatize a five year old.

Your idea of reasonable is why our prisons are over crowded with people whose anti-social behavior wasn't corrected when it could have been, but instead empowered them to continue until incarceration was the only solution. Spare the rod and spoil the child and in the end wind up with prisons full of spoiled children who grew into criminals because reasonable people made excuses for and rationalized behavior that could have been corrected in early childhood by the firm application of peer pressure and discipline.

re: #218 The Albatross

Like I said, we don't know exactly what the family was offered. What was their idea of accomodation, what did the family expect? It is not reasonable to expect their autistic child/teen to sit still and not make a peep during a service...is that what the mother insisted upon? Unreasonable. What was the church offering? But why a restraining order?

re: #223 doriangrey

There is a difference between autism and bad behaviour? Do you get that? Nobody is excusing brats here.

In the last month, I have seen two or three people wearing one on the street. People have no idea what they are wearing. It is kind of sad and scary.

re: #217 doriangrey

You've met all kinds of kids.

Do you have any children, of your own?

re: #226 Andy Dufresne

Some do, some don't.

re: #223 doriangrey

Fixing Abby... funny I don't see peer pressure here.

re: #221 WriterMom

You have met parents who use autism as an "excuse" for children's bad behaviour? That's interesting. So, you can tell if the child is just a rotten kid, misbehaving, OR if the parents are lying about a diagnosis. Wow.

Sorry mom, but autism isn't a mysterious illness (its cause yes, but not its affects). It has easily recognizable symptoms.

re: #230 doriangrey

You're a real expert on autism, then? Very impressive.

I'd like a moment to say something about the "Crooks&Liars" web site. I pride myself in being a reasonable person that looks at both sides of an arguement and I avoid rudeness. I use to look at the C&L site but learned that the "Editor/Mod" there spends all their time deleting ALL comments that don't support their own view. I'm not talking about just a couple of deletes here and there. They are in full blown delete mode. The end result being nothing but comments in full agreement. They are especially good at banning those they determine to be conservatives of any flavor. They are without a doubt a hard-core America-hating communist web site.

re: #227 WriterMom

You've met all kinds of kids.

Do you have any children, of your own?

Nope, and like it or not my lack of children has exactly zero bearing on what is being discussed, it is nothing short of a ad hominem attack on me for my taking a position you do not like. Quite honestly mom I expected better from you.

re: #223 doriangrey

You assume too much.

/And yes- that's an entendre.

re: #229 The Albatross

Beautiful video. Thanks.

re: #208 WriterMom

Darned near grown up, huh? Who were the people in the Church worshipping? God? Didn't Jesus hang out with leppers and the most dreadful dregs of society? Who are you to judge that boy? We don't know what kind of accomodation was offered to the family. Maybe they wanted the parents upstairs and to shut the kid up downstairs in the basement, to let himself soil himself and bang his head against the wall.

Are you a Christian? Are you perfect.

Shame on you.

Darn near grown up? Physically, yes. All 6 feet and 200 lbs of him. A person of that size with mental and behavioral problems can be scary. Yes, Jesus hung with lepers. Mind you leprosy does not cause behavioral problems. Back in that time, autism likely would have been explained as demonic possession. Jesus had a way of dealing with that, too. Remember the Gadarene swine?

I'm not judging the boy, but I am criticizing his parents. No, I don't know what kind of accommodation was offered to them, but clearly the priest made an effort. But it sounds like the parents are moonbats who are in denial about how profoundly their son is afflicted, and that they refused any accommodation.

No, I'm not a Christian, nor am I perfect.

And, for the record, I think the way the teacher treated that 5 year old child in Florida was appalling and hurtful. If the child was indeed being disruptive in class, it should have been a quiet decision on the part of the school administrators to have him relocated.

re: #233 doriangrey

You are projecting. I absolutely disagree with your positions. And, I doubt your expertise in diagnosing children with autism and/or plain old behavioural problems. But I just asked if you had kids, or not. It's a simple question.

re: #233 doriangrey

dorian.....would you mind telling me how old you are?

re: #236 Alberta Oil Peon

I don't know if the parents are in denial about their son. I have said this before, reasonable people can figure out a solution. Perhaps the mother had unreasonable expectations of the congregation. Perhaps the church had unreasonable demands of the family. We really don't know all the details. I am not suggesting that anyone be put in harm's way-obviously, if there was a physical danger to people-that clearly needs a different approach. However, if people just didn't like his grunts or noises, or felt uncomfortable around a clearly disabled person-then I think that is a different story.

re: #236 Alberta Oil Peon

Glad though that we agree about the Florida case.

It was selected by the stylist for the advertising shoot. Absolutely no symbolism was intended.

It stood out like a sore thumb, Fire the stylist or look at your own ads.

re: #229 The Albatross

"....and unconditional love." :)

re: #181 bloodnok

Thanks bloodnok!
I found this entry kind of interesting:

"All the hard work of building a brand can be erased in a blink of the eye when a crisis hits and you make the wrong move."

They should read their own copy...

Andy Dufresne-Shawcross Connection
Chingachgook--Last of Mohicans
The Albatross---?(edg. allen Poe)?

re: #223 doriangrey

"Spare the rod and spoil the child and in the end wind up with prisons full of spoiled children who grew into criminals because reasonable people made excuses for and rationalized behavior that could have been corrected in early childhood by the firm application of peer pressure and discipline."

Right. Our prisons are just over-flowing with rich, spoiled kids who received too many presents for Christmas. Hell, I think they should build a special prison near Beverly Hills just to handle the overflow from the soon to be criminal element being groomed in that part of the country.

In the liberal universe:
kaffiyeh - trendy, wholesome, multiculturalism
American flag - stomp on it, burn it, wipe your ass with it

But hey, it's just fabric so what's the big deal, right?

Hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance - liberal specialties.

Just looking at it as a fashion scarf...the "fashion stylist" ought to be fired..first of all it was butt ugly, and did nothing to enhance the wearer..who, of course, is cute but clueless...

Good for DD. They did the right thing.

this was a cruel thing to do to a little child who is mentally challenged.
the teacher handled it poorly. she could have had the child removed by meeting w/ his parents and the school.
someone who is that calloused and has such bad judgment should not be around kids.
sounds like her anger made her vindictive.

Nothing says marketing like the universal appeal of a suicide bomber!

re: #190 doriangrey

I have Asperger's, a type of Autism, and I am most certainly not a monster. You have made so many factual errors I don't know where to begin, so I'll stick with the most egregious.

Autism does not have any distinct EEG pattern, you're thinking, so to speak, of Epilepsy. That means seizures which are like electrical storms in the brain that do show up in an EEG. Nothing about diagnosing brain disorders is easy, and diagnosing mental illness such as bipolar and schizophrenia, which are also brain disorder is even harder. You're understanding of neurology is on a par with a truther's understanding of metallurgy, or an islamofacist's understanding of tolerance and compassion.

If you can't wrap your small mind around what I'm telling you, let me make it blunt. You are wrong, you are an idiot, and though this may get me deleted, go to hell.

re: #251 paradox42

I am sorry for your "wiring" trouble, though I certainly cannot detect such, in your writing. :) Thank you for weighing in. Writer Mom, I think, did so well....and I've been wishing all day that mama winger were "in town" too, for she's got similar troubles coming out of her ears, in essence, and speaks so eloquently on behalf of God's wonderful use of all of those in such state. May God bless you, real good! :)

It's part of the ups and downs of marketing. A company hires out for ads, it looks fine but for some unexpected reason it ticks off the customers.
The customer is always right. The whole point of marketing is to make the customers WANT to buy, not spurn the product. A marketer can't get obsessed with insisting the customers got it all wrong. It was their message, it didn't fly, end of it. On to something that does appeal to the customers.
So, Duncan Donuts is managing to move on, and it was their money spent. Why are OTHER people getting all huffy and sneery - getting offended that other people were alarmed that a benign donut ad went CLACK because right in the middle of it was something that evoked murder, not jelly donuts. At least people had the decency to alert DD so they would know why their sales abruptly went boink.And it was well worth the time to get more people educated about the keffiyeh being pushed into the mainstream by useful fashion idiots.

Ma Sands.....

It's sorta the other way around actually......I live in Calgary 75% of the time, and Rio for the other 25%, and am married to a Carioca.

Paisley? That does not look like paisley to me.

re: #254 Carioca Canuck

Ah. Sounds like a delightful arrangement. :)

Take the time to go to Dunkin Donuts to tell them they were a class act for pulling the ad, we need to offset the hyperbole being sent to them from the slobbering class. Common sense isn't common anymore and all they were trying to do was peddle their product with the face of Rachael Ray and I'm sure some wardrobe clown with an agenda thought this would be a beautiful trojan horse opportunity and they were cut down by observant people. Give em some support so they know they made the right decision. Corporate is weak and needs to be preened and rewarded.

re: #56 WriterMom

Got it. Heh.

They are from Boston.

Oh, great. We're in the news again!

13 years ago, I actually met RR. She's from upstate New York (Adirondack Mountain region) and when she was getting her start, she had a cookbook contract with the supermarket chain I work for. One day, she came into my store to do a cooking promo and I had to get supplies for her, like appliances and cookware. She came off as a very conceited, unfriendly person. My guess is she didn't know about the scarrf's connection to the palestinians but she'd do anything if she thought it would help her sell cookbooks.

So DD agrees it's in poor taste. I wonder if all the drooling moonbats and those who don't see any problem with it will apologize?

Actually, they don't agree it's in poor taste, they're saying they realize there are a number of idiots who are making the wild claim and they don't want the hassle. McCain's daughter (also on crooksandliars.com) is in photographs wearing the exact same scarf. So, what does that make her? Plus some of our ally soldiers who also wear the scarf? Anyone?

re: #7 JammieWearingFool

Actually, they don't agree it's in poor taste, they're saying they realize there are a number of idiots who are making the wild claim and they don't want the hassle. McCain's daughter (also on crooksandliars.com) is in photographs wearing the exact same scarf. So, what does that make her? Plus some of our ally soldiers who also wear the scarf? Anyone?

It makes her, and our 'ally soldiers' ignorant.