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What's Important to Google?

Mon, May 26, 2008 at 9:33:08 am PDT

In 2005, Google issued the following explanation for their failure to create a customized logo for Memorial Day:

We have to balance this rotating calendar with the need to maintain the consistency of the Google homepage.

Furthermore, Google’s special logos tend to be lighthearted in nature. If we were to commemorate Memorial Day, we would want to express reverence, rather than mirth. This would be a particularly challenging design. We would not want to, in any way, create a graphic that could be interpreted as disrespectful. In light of the mail we have received about this, we are actively considering designs we could display on this day next year. We welcome any suggestions you may have.

Quite a few people have offered suggestions to Google, in the three years since they first made this excuse.

Yet, here’s Google today.

What’s the excuse this year?

UPDATE at 5/26/08 9:37:59 am:

Yahoo does the right thing. They also have a special page dedicated to Memorial Day. (Marred by the inclusion of a loony left anti-war link, but at least they do respect the occasion.)

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1 Sharmuta  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:35:20am
What’s the excuse this year?

They don't care.

2 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:35:42am
3 pat  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:35:52am

There is a pattern.

4 pingjockey  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:36:32am

They are asshats!

5 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:36:41am

Lameness abounds.

6 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:36:48am
7 indythinker  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:37:00am

Yahoo has a Memorial Day logo with a Purple Heart

8 Caliredst8r  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:37:06am

Excuse? They are busy designing their logo for Jan 20, 2009 when BushitlerMcChimpy is no longer President.

9 JammieWearingFool  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:37:14am

Next time a Democrat is in the WH they'll be bursting with patriotic pride.

10 seekeroftruth  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:37:25am

How hard is it to put a picture of an American flag? Come on Google, it's not that complicated...

11 rockdad  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:38:05am

Unpatriotic ungrateful capitalistic pigs are the worst!

12 kynna  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:38:28am

I was at AOL this a.m. (still do e-mail there -- I know) and they weren't doing anything for Memorial Day either.

Not happy with any of these US companies that benefit from the sacrifices of others and do all they can to bring down the very country that allows them to exist and thrive.

13 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:38:37am
14 ScottG  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:38:46am

They're "Being Evil..."

15 pat  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:38:51am

So showing an American Flag at half mast or a few lilies could be subject to misinterpretation? By whom? The Kos Kids? Michelle Obama?

16 BH  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:38:56am

You stay classy, Google.

17 abolitionist  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:39:10am

Obviously, they've never visited Gettysburg, or Robert E. Lee's old homestead.

18 arielle  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:39:17am

It's sad, but I live in the silicon valley and know people who work at google. Most are nice people who are super super leftist and think they live in some global community (while using all the benefits of living in the U.S.) I doubt there's much discussion about why there should be a special logo for Memorial Day. Those that would like to see a special logo are probably scared of the groupthink that pervades most workplaces in this area.

19 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:39:38am

Ask.com and, as MandyManners notes, dogpile have appropriate themes.

20 Zach_the_Lizard  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:39:44am

Google did do a logo for the Canadian version of Memorial Day, IIRC. However, they continuously refuse to do Memorial Day because they say it just can't be done. Yeah, right.

21 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:40:20am

Yahooo!

22 gamblor  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:40:48am
We have to balance this rotating calendar with the need to maintain the consistency of the Google homepage


Just to point out: this is the first day they actually "maintain the consistency". Until yesterday they were running all sorts of funky graphics. This is more than ignoring, they are making a point - an awful point.

23 J.D.  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:40:51am

$$$

24 Grok the Fullness  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:41:03am

ask.com gets my vote.

25 Darius_LaMonica  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:41:04am

All of those designs on the zombietime page "express reverence, rather than mirth."

Google stinks. You'd think those creeps would at least thank the brave men & women who made it possible for them to become billionaires in this country. Ingrates.

26 pat  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:41:15am

We should keep an eye on their Islamic and Chinese offerings. anybody remember what they did on May 1?

27 HolyShiiteBatman  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:41:23am

Note also that the Obama website doesn't mentioned Memorial Day either, but John McCain's does. Go figure.

28 uncle_monkey  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:42:25am

I have a feeling every time they see the flag, the gag reflex kicks in.

29 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:42:45am

re: #18 arielle

It's sad, but I live in the silicon valley and know people who work at google. Most are nice people who are super super leftist and think they live in some global community (while using all the benefits of living in the U.S.) I doubt there's much discussion about why there should be a special logo for Memorial Day. Those that would like to see a special logo are probably scared of the groupthink that pervades most workplaces in this area.

Which, apparently, America has no stake in.

May Allah remove Googles Carbon Footprint due to there excessive server farms powered by evil fossil fuels.

30 Joan  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:43:04am

re: #9 JammieWearingFool

Next time a Democrat is in the WH they'll be bursting with patriotic pride.

True Citizens of the World, are they not? Citizens of the World are above nationalistic foolishness, knowing that Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
/vomit off

Thank you, Charles for offering another thread on this topic.
Would you consider hosting Nominations for Citizenship in the Ingrate Nation?

I'll submit my choices now:

1) Berkeley City Council President
2) Google Founder and President
3) That Ayers bastard

31 jaunte  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:43:18am

Google is a transnational company, and is too sophisticated for expressions of nationalism. Someone might object, and that would be bad for business.
They will only change if they feel pain, and they will only feel pain if somehow they lose money.

32 ScottG  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:43:20am

re: #28 uncle_monkey

I have a feeling every time they see the flag, the gag reflex kicks in.

That's probably because they usually have something like that in their mouths...

33 gymnast  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:43:39am

Google is a postmodern economic parasite. It remains to be seen how long it can last in it's present form.

34 Grok the Fullness  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:44:18am

I think it would be fun to watch our citizens in uniform unleash a can of cyops whoop-ass on google. How about changing their logo for them? ;p

35 least  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:44:25am

"YAHOO does the right thing" until you click the logo and you're taken to the "Events" page.
There on the right side of the page is a link to "Veterans for Peace" *spit*

Gotta be balanced, right?
/

36 Grammy Cracker  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:44:36am
37 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:45:00am
38 uncle_monkey  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:45:38am

re: #20 Zach_the_Lizard

Google did do a logo for the Canadian version of Memorial Day, IIRC. However, they continuously refuse to do Memorial Day because they say it just can't be done. Yeah, right.

I posted this in an earlier thread - and as I said then, some of these latest ones don't appear particularly lighthearted.

Some are downright weird.

But, if you go back pre-9/11, they apparently knew how to do the stars and stripes.

39 yma o hyd  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:45:48am

Frankly, I don't get it ...
After al, they do chagne their logo for all sorts of 'memorials' - there's always something for St Patrick's Day, and they even had something for our Welsh Patron saint, St david, o March 1st, for the last two years.

Perhaps its their (very) patronising way of recognising 'minorities' ...

But to do nothing on one of the most important days in the Calendar in the USA, their homeland - I really don't get it.

40 6pat6  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:45:48am

Google... the so-called "do no evil" fucktards. They are more than happy to make zillions of dollars here and abroad, knowing full-well that they could not do whatever it is that they do anywhere else on Earth and make the money they do (what the fuck DO they do, again?), yet they piss on the very nation that permits them the freedom they have to do whatever it is that they do.

Piss on Google.

Charles, I still can't believe YOU have a google search button on this page! Why not "Ask"?

41 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:46:09am

re: #35 least

"YAHOO does the right thing" until you click the logo and you're taken to the "Events" page.
There on the right side of the page is a link to "Veterans for Peace" *spit*

Gotta be balanced, right?
/

You know, to me there are some absolutes with no room for "other sides." Honoring those who fell in the service of this country is one of them. If someone can't bring himself or herself to do that, they are simply WRONG--and yes, I will judge him/her.

42 tedzilla99  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:46:28am

it goes to show that no matter how much money, prestige, or power they have, leftist idiots are liberals first, Americans somewhere farther down the list. They do not believe that anything is responsible for their freedom other than their boundless intellect and endless supply of good intentions. Nothing bad happens in the world without the US having a hand in it. Nothing good happens in this world with America's hand in it either. And they sit in their million dollar mansions and own jets and never give the thanks where it belongs. I used to tolerate liberals and leftists, now I openly despise them. They are what's wrong with this world and they are responsible for so much evil and misery it's incalculable, but they will never be dissuaded nor proven wrong.

Google had a logo for Sputnik fercrissakes! That should say all that needs to be said about their priorities and values.

43 leboaz  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:46:45am

you have to RESPECT the MEMORY of our vets.
they don't even try.
yet last week they had a contest for children to design new logos.
any surprise? no. . . .
wonder if they let homeschoolers enter?

44 MandyManners  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:47:08am

Ask.com.

Dogpile.com had a really good one up earlier today. Now, it's gone, replaced by this.

What gives, DOGPILE.COM?

45 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:47:11am
46 NR Pax  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:47:18am

Let's face it: Google won't change their policies no matter how reasonable we try to be. They won't see anything wrong with refusing to note the holiday since in their eyes they are doing no wrong.

47 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:47:32am
48 6pat6  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:47:40am

re: #41 goddessoftheclassroom

AMEN!

49 MandyManners  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:48:09am

re: #44 MandyManners

Ask.com.

Dogpile.com had a really good one up earlier today. Now, it's gone, replaced by this.

What gives, DOGPILE.COM?

Well, it changed back to this.

50 laZardo  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:48:30am

When a gaming website that translates online Korean games across the Pacific for a global audience does the right thing and Google doesn't, that's a sign of the times.

51 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:48:43am

re: #44 MandyManners

Ask.com.

Dogpile.com had a really good one up earlier today. Now, it's gone, replaced by this.

What gives, DOGPILE.COM?

When I clicked your link, the animation is the same as I saw this morning.

52 MandyManners  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:48:50am

AOL's search is powered by Google.

53 theparson  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:49:34am

I had a Google account once... ONCE!

54 MandyManners  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:50:00am

re: #51 goddessoftheclassroom

When I clicked your link, the animation is the same as I saw this morning.

See my No. 49, please. I don't know what happened. The link I posted in Bi, 44 was of a dog with a ball in his mouth.

55 princetrumpet  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:50:27am

Lying wimps afraid to offend their base of support.

Such a simple offering it would be to take the half hour to come up with an appropriate design and yet, those that fought, died, and need to be remembered have not merited such a simple gesture.

Sad, indeed.

56 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:50:28am
57 uncle_monkey  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:50:29am

re: #49 MandyManners

Well, it changed back to this.

Dogpile usually rotates, I'm surprised they are today though.

58 Dustyvet  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:51:01am

re: #35 least

"YAHOO does the right thing" until you click the logo and you're taken to the "Events" page.
There on the right side of the page is a link to "Veterans for Peace" *spit*

Gotta be balanced, right?
/

Like VVAW, I've always wondered how many Veterans For Peace have DD-214's?

59 laZardo  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:51:26am

MSN.com doesn't have any special logos but one of their rotating titles is for a special Memorial Day article with video.

60 Firmworm  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:51:39am

Why doesn't LGF put their money where their mouth is and remove the Google search option from the top of the home
page ?

61 Charles  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:51:46am

re: #35 least

"YAHOO does the right thing" until you click the logo and you're taken to the "Events" page.
There on the right side of the page is a link to "Veterans for Peace" *spit*

Gotta be balanced, right?
/

I know. But at least they do respect the day, even if they're moonbats.

It's kind of amazing that Google didn't do anything this year - last year there were even MSM articles about this. Zombie was interviewed for one by the LA Times.

That's why I titled this, "What's important to Google." Because it's obviously not Memorial Day.

62 Roentgen  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:51:56am

re: #8 Caliredst8r

Like your avatar.

63 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:52:24am

re: #54 MandyManners

See my No. 49, please. I don't know what happened. The link I posted in Bi, 44 was of a dog with a ball in his mouth.

Maybe that's tomorrow's logo and it just started too soon. At least they fixed it.

64 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:52:29am
65 6pat6  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:52:30am

Sorry for the f-bombs in my previous posting - it's just that I see google as something very bad, yet the world thinks it's the Greatest Thing.

66 least  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:52:39am

re: #35 least

Yeah . . . the Special Page" is the one with the "Vet's for Peace" link.
Balance *spit*

67 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:52:51am

re: #44 MandyManners

Ask.com.

Dogpile.com had a really good one up earlier today. Now, it's gone, replaced by this.

What gives, DOGPILE.COM?

I would say they set their timers wrong. There is probably no one there to fix it today.

68 winston06  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:53:26am

Google is full of leftists!

69 Banner  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:53:36am

Don't forget that Google does recognize the equivilent of memorial day in other countries on those countries servers! Canada's Rememberance day for example.

So what it comes down to is that Google's owners hate America.

70 6pat6  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:53:39am

You can bet the Googeites that work there took today off!

71 MandyManners  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:53:52am

re: #57 uncle_monkey

Dogpile usually rotates, I'm surprised they are today though.

The illustration rotates?

72 6pat6  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:54:00am

Google-ites

73 Charles  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:54:03am

There's no point in removing the Google search feature. All that does is take away some functionality from LGF, with no effect at all on Google.

Also, many of the search engines people recommend: a) are not anywhere near as good as Google, or b) are using Google themselves. Google is the back end for a lot of these lesser known search sites.

74 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:54:45am
75 Grammy Cracker  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:54:50am

re: #49 MandyManners

Well, it changed back to this.

It's rotating, Mandy. When you click 'refresh' it switches between the praying dogs and the puppy with a ball.

76 Reluctant Democrat  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:54:59am

The military is not "cool" in their world.

With success comes arrogance.

I guess after Yahoo helped imprison some Chinese dissidents, they decided to join the rest of the country and repair their image.

77 6pat6  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:55:09am

re: #73 Charles

And that is a sad, sad thing that those bastards are so ingrained into things. Sad, indeed

78 MandyManners  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:55:16am

re: #70 6pat6

You can bet the Googeites that work there took today off!

I hope they burn their steaks and under-bake their potatoes.

79 Silhouette  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:55:40am

I think it is just stubborness on their part now.

They won't do a Memorial Day logo ever for love or money, because we want them to. They can't admit they were wrong.

80 opnion  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:55:45am

re: #27 HolyShiiteBatman

Note also that the Obama website doesn't mentioned Memorial Day either, but John McCain's does. Go figure.

Figures.A pundit on CNN was lamenting that Obama now has to occasionally wear a flag pin . He called it a meaningless gesture.The intent of his remarks was clear, 'A sophisticated, urbane man like Obama must placate us bitter crackers.
Perhaps the Obama website would commemorate the fall of his name sake , the Prophets grandson Hussein

81 Bob in Breckenridge  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:55:58am

re: #16 BH

You stay classy, Google.

Did you forget the "/", or are you a typical troll asshole?

82 6pat6  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:56:34am

re: #78 MandyManners

It'll be tofu steaks with that lame bunch, more than likely. They wouldn't know real meat if it bit them on the ass.

83 MandyManners  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:56:35am

re: #79 Silhouette

I think it is just stubborness on their part now.

They won't do a Memorial Day logo ever for love or money, because we want them to. They can't admit they were wrong.

I suspect bad toilet training. Anal-retention and all that.

84 Dustyvet  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:56:51am

re: #64 taxfreekiller

but do you not get a DD-214 with a dishororable discharge,
Lt. Kerry seems to had that first before John Warner and Jummy Crater
revised and extened the lies and fraud for him

Please don't get me started on Hanoi John Kerry, or his group of Vietnam Veteran wanna be's from Vietnam Veterans Against The War.

85 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:57:19am
86 MandyManners  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:57:33am

re: #82 6pat6

It'll be tofu steaks with that lame bunch, more than likely. They wouldn't know real meat if it bit them on the ass.

Tofu steaks, eh? That's just nasty.

87 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:57:44am
88 6pat6  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:58:10am

re: #83 MandyManners

I suspect bad toilet training. Anal-retention and all that.

Or, breast-feeding to age six...years.

89 leboaz  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:58:12am

re: #78 MandyManners

and their arugula is limp!

90 zombie  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:58:17am

OK, everyone, I have now UPDATED my Google Memorial Day logo page, with the info that they didn't change the logo this year either:

[UPDATE, May 26, 2008: Despite all the negative publicity Google received over this issue in 2007, the following year on Memorial Day of 2008 -- they still didn't mark the holiday with a special logo.]
91 Racer X  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:58:37am

To those who have given the ultimate sacrifice in service to this country - Thank You! We remember.

I will not be clicking any links to Google or Youtube today. Maybe tomorrow, but not today.

92 Roentgen  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:58:42am

re: #73 Charles

From what does Google profit? Clicking on the sponsored links, or any link that results in a transaction? If I knew more about their business, it might modify my behavior.

93 Dustyvet  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:58:52am

re: #86 MandyManners

Mandy so are MRE's...:P

94 laZardo  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:59:19am

re: #81 Bob in Breckenridge

Maybe he just read the Teleprompter wrong, if you know what I mean. (: That guy looks like he's been around a long time according to his profile.

95 Rain Patriot  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:59:25am

Do you Yahoo?

Looks like I do now.

96 bosforus  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:59:33am

How can I contact google? Their 'contact us' section is quite run-aroundish.
Happy Memorial Day. Thanks to all those who have served, are serving, and especially to those who have lost their lives while serving.

97 pegcity  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:00:00am

Google is just following in the tradition of IBM during world war 2, building databases for facist tyrants

98 MandyManners  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:00:06am

re: #88 6pat6

Or, breast-feeding to age six...years.

Nah. Anal-retention is about bull-headedness in a bad way.

99 6pat6  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:00:26am

re: #93 Dustyvet

I can eat MRE's, no sweat.. I liked the spaghetti meal, personally. Drown it in tabasco, yummm-o!

Oops, a Racheal Ray reference!

100 MandyManners  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:00:29am

re: #89 leboaz

and their arugula is limp!

Bet they know how to refresh it, though.

101 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:00:44am
102 LoFlyer[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:00:52am
103 MandyManners  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:01:08am

re: #93 Dustyvet

Mandy so are MRE's...:P

Not bad. Not bad at all.

104 zombie  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:01:11am

re: #73 Charles

Thanks to your linkage, I was spurred to update my Google logo page with 2008 info, just now.

Feel free to choose your favorite[s], and re-post them here, if you want to.

105 elevenbravo1969  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:01:18am

re: #42 tedzilla99

it goes to show that no matter how much money, prestige, or power they have, leftist idiots are liberals first, Americans somewhere farther down the list. They do not believe that anything is responsible for their freedom other than their boundless intellect and endless supply of good intentions. Nothing bad happens in the world without the US having a hand in it. Nothing good happens in this world with America's hand in it either. And they sit in their million dollar mansions and own jets and never give the thanks where it belongs. I used to tolerate liberals and leftists, now I openly despise them. They are what's wrong with this world and they are responsible for so much evil and misery it's incalculable, but they will never be dissuaded nor proven wrong.

Google had a logo for Sputnik fercrissakes! That should say all that needs to be said about their priorities and values.

re: #18 arielle

It's sad, but I live in the silicon valley and know people who work at google. Most are nice people who are super super leftist and think they live in some global community (while using all the benefits of living in the U.S.) I doubt there's much discussion about why there should be a special logo for Memorial Day. Those that would like to see a special logo are probably scared of the groupthink that pervades most workplaces in this area.

You two guys have hit the nail quite squarely on the head.

106 MandyManners  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:01:39am

re: #93 Dustyvet

Mandy so are MRE's...:P

The coffee I had out of one darn-near took off the top of my head.

107 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:01:44am

re: #102 LoFlyer

When a fracking RPG launched by supporters of Whabinism slams into the HQ of Google, we might see a change in editorial style, but I wouldn't count on it. Like lemmings jumping into the sea, they embrace the destruction of our country. A hearty F.U. to Google!

As I said last night, the lemming thing is a disney myth. Some guys got their rocks off chucking hamsters and it led to this whole mess.

/

108 laZardo  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:02:18am

Google made one for Iranian New Year.

/HURRRGH.

109 jcm  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:02:30am

Morning all

Decoration Day, now Memorial Day.

American Revolution (1775–1783)
Total servicemembers 217,000
Battle deaths 4,435

War of 1812 (1812–1815)
Total servicemembers 286,730
Battle deaths 2,260

Indian Wars (approx. 1817–1898)
Total servicemembers 106,0001
Battle deaths 1,0001

Mexican War (1846–1848)
Total servicemembers 78,718
Battle deaths 1,733
Other deaths in service (nontheater) 11,550

Civil War (1861–1865)
Total servicemembers (Union) 2,213,363
Battle deaths (Union) 140,414
Other deaths in service (nontheater) (Union) 224,097
Total servicemembers (Conf.) 1,050,000
Battle deaths (Conf.) 74,524
Other deaths in service (nontheater) (Conf.) 59,2972

Spanish-American War (1898–1902)
Total servicemembers 306,760
Battle deaths 385
Other deaths in service (nontheater) 2,061

World War I (1917–1918)
Total servicemembers 4,734,991
Battle deaths 53,402
Other deaths in service (nontheater) 63,114
Living veterans fewer than 251

World War II (1940–1945)
Total servicemembers 16,112,566
Battle deaths 291,557
Other deaths in service (nontheater) 113,842
Living veterans 3,242,0001

Korean War (1950–1953)
Total servicemembers 5,720,000
Serving in-theater 1,789,000
Battle deaths 33,741
Other deaths in service (theater) 2,833
Other deaths in service (nontheater) 17,672
Living veterans 3,086,4001

Vietnam War (1964–1975)
Total servicemembers 8,744,000
Serving in-theater 3,403,000
Battle deaths 47,424
Other deaths in service (theater) 10,785
Other deaths in service (nontheater) 32,000
Living veterans 7,286,5001

Gulf War (1990–1991)
Total servicemembers 2,225,000
Serving in-theater 665,476
Battle deaths 147
Other deaths in service (theater) 382
Other deaths in service (nontheater) 1,565
Living veterans 1,852,0001

Global War on Terror (as of Sept. 30, 2006)
Total Servicemembers (Worldwide) 1,384,968
Deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan 165,000
Iraq Battle Deaths 3328
Afghanistan Battle Deaths 507
Iraq Other Deaths (In Theater) 754
Afghanistan Other Deaths (In Theater) 313
Living Veterans 588,9236

America's Wars Total
Military service during war 43,185,893
Battle deaths 653,708
Other deaths in service (theater) 14,560
Other deaths in service (nontheater) 525,930
Living war veterans 17,835,0004
Living veterans 23,976,000

110 nyc redneck  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:02:35am

google is a pathetic outfit.
they don't want the challenge of creating a design that could be interpreted as disrespectful?
well, how abt. a simple flag and call it a holiday?
(btw, some important moments call for reverence)

111 vagabond trader  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:02:40am

What disingenous BS from Google. They would not be able to capture the appropriate tone or some such.Sounds like similar rubbish the Obama gave as an excuse for not wearing a flag pin.Stuff it, we're not all dumbed down leftists, nodding assent to your anti American sophistry.

112 Ojoe  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:02:51am
113 Dustyvet  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:03:04am

re: #99 6pat6

I still like the C-Ration Ham and Lima Beans, God I'm old...:P And while I was doing USAR stuff in the late 80's and 90's MRE's did not have the hot sauce yet...:(

114 abolitionist  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:03:07am

The obvious entries,

127.0.0.1 g o o g l e . c o m
127.0.0.1 w w w . g o o g l e . c o m

in my hosts file seem to have no remedial effect. My browser is Firefox 2.0.0.14, under 98se.

115 6pat6  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:03:40am

re: #109 jcm

Thanks you for that post. Most people have no idea, none at all, what it takes to keep a free nation free.

116 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:03:56am

My wife and I went to the cemetery today. Her dad and mine are buried 2 plots apart. Our dads are WW2 vet. My Dad won the Bronze Star on Iwo Jima. I dressed up in my Summer Whites for the occasion. There were all to few visiting today. The Jewish War Vets had already been there and placed American Flags at the Vets Graves. We visited a few around us also that appeared to have been ignored this year. We saw one older lady alone at a grave. Her husband was a WW2 Vet. We went over to say hello. I think she appreciated that.

117 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:05:00am
118 abolitionist  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:05:04am

I'll try some new firewall rules.

119 Grammy Cracker  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:05:15am

re: #109 jcm

Thank you, JCM! Sorry I only have one upding to give...

Freedom is not free.

120 M. Bensson-Levi  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:06:17am

re: #116 Nevergiveup

I think she appreciated that.

Righteous!

121 Dustyvet  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:06:29am

re: #106 MandyManners

LOL...yup...

122 Ojoe  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:06:32am

re: #111 vagabond trader

"that pin" — Obama

123 uncle_monkey  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:06:44am

re: #61 Charles

I know. But at least they do respect the day, even if they're moonbats.

It's kind of amazing that Google didn't do anything this year - last year there were even MSM articles about this. Zombie was interviewed for one by the LA Times.

That's why I titled this, "What's important to Google." Because it's obviously not Memorial Day.

At least they finally did Veteran's Day last year!
I'm sure it pained them...

124 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:06:57am

Koskidz celebrating the deaths of those who die for nothing...
Memorializing an Unjust War

So on this Memorial Day we should definitely honor our troops who have fallen on the field of battle in Iraq and elsewhere. But we should not believe Bush’s hype about our soldiers in Iraq sacrificing their lives for liberty or freedom. Instead, we should never forget that the Iraq War is morally and legally unjust.


Koskidz also want us to remember to memorialize the fallen al Qaeda fighters in Iraq too...

Who cries for them?

Who cries for the victims of acts of unjust military force we've committed over our history? Do not those who lost their lives along the Trail of Tears deserve to be remembered? Should not we honour the John Browns and Captain Jacks of history as well? How about the people of Iraq who took up arms because they objected to being subjugated by a foreign power? Are American souls somehow worth more than non-American ones? Will we learned the lesson those who have passed on taught us with their passing and move beyond militarism and our 'us-versus-them' worldview?

As we go through today, I'd like to ask that each of remember that every life lost, regardless of which side it came from, is a loss to humanity as a whole, and that there are no winners in armed conflict, only survivors.

Peace.


Progressive!

125 yma o hyd  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:07:05am

re: #109 jcm

Thats about 30 million living veterans and war veterans - that must be a power any industry, any politician needs to reckon with.

126 M. Bensson-Levi  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:07:11am

re: #116 Nevergiveup

G-d Bless you.

127 Racer X  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:08:01am

This is what it takes to keep America free. Diplomacy works only if you have the balls to defend yourself when diplomacy does not work.

128 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:08:17am

Who the hell is Captain Jack?

129 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:08:59am

OK lizards, I am off to the Holy Land (Ashkelon mostly) for three weeks. Hope to get on over there, but don't know if I will have time. Catch you all on the flip side!

130 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:09:00am
131 laZardo  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:09:12am

re: #109 jcm

Spanish-American War (1898–1902)
Total servicemembers 306,760
Battle deaths 385
Other deaths in service (nontheater) 2,061

I'm in a bit of an identity crisis at the moment. If I recall, my great-grandparents were Filipino Revolutionaries who fought against both the Spanish AND quite likely the Americans during that period of time. It's not a period I like to remember fondly, and being American-born does not make it any easier.

132 Bloodnok  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:09:14am

re: #128 Killgore Trout

Who the hell is Captain Jack?

He's the one who'll get you high at night.

133 Firmworm  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:09:20am

I hope the day will come when governments go after Google the same way they go after Microsoft. Maybe Google's market value (129 bl) is not quite enough to go after just yet compared to Microsoft's (261 bl).

134 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:09:26am

Anybody watching Fox- McCain speaking- I can't see clearly what kind of pin he is wearing?

135 Grammy Cracker  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:09:40am

re: #127 Racer X

This is what it takes to keep America free. Diplomacy works only if you have the balls to defend yourself when diplomacy does not work.

DAMN! That's almost too awesome and impressive for words!

136 MandyManners  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:09:40am

re: #117 song_and_dance_man

I think it's obvious Google doesn't want to offend the sensibilities of their 'hate America' users.

Dagnabit! I clicked on the "-" instead of the "+". I apologize.

137 laZardo  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:10:01am

re: #124 Killgore Trout

As said before, progressive enough for a (re)commendation.

138 MandyManners  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:10:14am

re: #117 song_and_dance_man

I think it's obvious Google doesn't want to offend the sensibilities of their 'hate America' users.

Will someone up-ding that?

139 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:10:36am

re: #130 song_and_dance_man

I think Johny Depp is still among the living.

140 6pat6  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:10:39am

re: #109 jcm

Actually, the figures are a bit off, as that is an old chart. There is only ONE US WWI vet left...only one.

The WWII vets have been dying at the rate of over 3,000 per day since 2005, according to the VA, so there are nearly 3M less than what is listed.

Korea vets are fewer, as well, but are dying at about half the rate of WWII vets.

Vietnam, about a third the rate of Korean vets.

If any of you have an older relative that was a vet of any war, ask them if they can relate at least some of their experiences to you, and then tell those stories to your children and grandchildren. It'll be something you will never regret.

141 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:10:45am

re: #136 MandyManners

I offset it for you.

142 least  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:10:47am

re: #73 Charles

This is your sandbox, we get to play in it . . . and we really, really thank you for it!

'Scuze a question from a non-techie type:
Don't search engines make some dough every time they're used? If so, in essence, if we here at LFG use the Google search, aren't we contributing to their financial well being?

143 elevenbravo1969  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:11:05am

re: #113 Dustyvet

I still like the C-Ration Ham and Lima Beans, God I'm old...:P And while I was doing USAR stuff in the late 80's and 90's MRE's did not have the hot sauce yet...:(

My favorite in the c-rats was the little 4-pack of lucky strikes. About one step down from smoking opium. *Lucky Strikes...mmm*

144 leboaz  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:11:13am

re: #124 Killgore Trout

Trout- I was doing ok until you made me look, yet again, at the kos entries. Now I have to go take a shower.
God, those chumps suck!

145 MandyManners  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:11:14am

re: #121 Dustyvet

LOL...yup...

It was like a Starbucks without the flavor and ambience.

146 Grammy Cracker  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:11:35am

re: #138 MandyManners

Will someone up-ding that?

re: #138 MandyManners

Will someone up-ding that?

Yes.

147 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:11:38am

re: #132 Bloodnok

I googled and got A Dr Who character, Billy joel, and a bunch of seafood restaurants.

148 Dustyvet  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:11:40am

re: #136 MandyManners

Your forgiven, it was the MRE coffee, either that or United States Army Creamed Chipped Beef on Toast...:P

149 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:11:44am

re: #140 6pat6

Actually, the figures are a bit off, as that is an old chart. There is only ONE US WWI vet left...only one.

The WWII vets have been dying at the rate of over 3,000 per day since 2005, according to the VA, so there are nearly 3M less than what is listed.

Korea vets are fewer, as well, but are dying at about half the rate of WWII vets.

Vietnam, about a third the rate of Korean vets.

If any of you have an older relative that was a vet of any war, ask them if they can relate at least some of their experiences to you, and then tell those stories to your children and grandchildren. It'll be something you will never regret.

I believe that lone WW1 vet enlisted when he was 16.

150 Racer X  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:12:07am

re: #135 Grammy Cracker

DAMN! That's almost too awesome and impressive for words!

I saved as one of my screen savers. It took my breath away.

151 MandyManners  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:12:13am

re: #127 Racer X

This is what it takes to keep America free. Diplomacy works only if you have the balls to defend yourself when diplomacy does not work.

Awesome!

152 J.D.  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:12:16am

re: #127 Racer X

This is what it takes to keep America free. Diplomacy works only if you have the balls to defend yourself when diplomacy does not work.

Great picture! Thanks!

153 Charles  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:12:21am

re: #142 least

This is your sandbox, we get to play in it . . . and we really, really thank you for it!

'Scuze a question from a non-techie type:
Don't search engines make some dough every time they're used? If so, in essence, if we here at LFG use the Google search, aren't we contributing to their financial well being?

No -- they make most of their money from Google Adsense, and their ads are everywhere.

154 Caliredst8r  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:12:26am

re: #124 Killgore Trout

Jeez, and all this time I thought this was an American holiday, it never occurred to me that this was a global holiday.

155 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:12:37am
156 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:12:48am
157 MandyManners  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:12:53am

re: #134 Nevergiveup

Anybody watching Fox- McCain speaking- I can't see clearly what kind of pin he is wearing?

It looks like a miniature medal of some sort.

158 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:12:54am

Komment...

Grievous war crimes (2+ / 0-)

have been committed in our names, under our flag, using our tax dollars. According to the Geneva Convention, waging unjust aggressive war is the first among war crimes. Sadly, in a world where it has been determined by the mighty that might always makes right, there will be no justice for those who committed these crimes, and who shame all Americans in the eyes of justice, history and humanity by doing so.

159 MandyManners  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:13:20am

re: #129 lone_wolf_in_illinois

OK lizards, I am off to the Holy Land (Ashkelon mostly) for three weeks. Hope to get on over there, but don't know if I will have time. Catch you all on the flip side!

Stay safe!

160 Bloodnok  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:13:27am

re: #147 Killgore Trout

I googled and got A Dr Who character, Billy joel, and a bunch of seafood restaurants.

Now just piece together that puzzle... You're almost there.

161 MandyManners  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:14:01am

re: #141 lone_wolf_in_illinois

I offset it for you.

Thanks!

162 laZardo  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:14:18am

re: #140 6pat6

re: #149 Nevergiveup

When asked on how he could live so long, he replied "Hope".

Source: Wikipedia.

163 Dustyvet  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:14:20am

re: #143 elevenbravo1969

Do you remember the Sundry packs the Army used to give us in Vietnam, we used to use the Salem ciggies for trading with the Arvin Army...

164 MandyManners  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:14:26am

re: #146 Grammy Cracker

Yes.

Thanks!

165 'Nam Grunt  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:14:28am

re: #157 MandyManners

It looks like a miniature medal of some sort.

It's a Purple Heart. ;-)

166 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:14:30am

re: #159 MandyManners

Thanks Mandy!

167 DoubleU  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:14:34am

Every year you complain on Veterans day and Memorial day.

Get used to it. Google is evil.
Google dumps a crap load of cookies on everyones machine. BLOCK THEM.
Google runs a javascript on many sites, get a java script blocker and block it.
Get an adblocker for google ads.
don't use google search.

168 Bob in Breckenridge  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:14:52am

re: #94 laZardo

/And maybe google just forgot today was Memorial day. Ya know, it's hard to remember. It's not like it's on the same day every year and easy to remember like, oh, the launch of Sputnik by the SOVIET FUCKIN' UNION!

169 MandyManners  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:15:02am

re: #148 Dustyvet

Your forgiven, it was the MRE coffee, either that or United States Army Creamed Chipped Beef on Toast...:P

I think I was seething.

170 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:15:23am

re: #129 lone_wolf_in_illinois

OK lizards, I am off to the Holy Land (Ashkelon mostly) for three weeks. Hope to get on over there, but don't know if I will have time. Catch you all on the flip side!

I lost my passport and 6 bus tickets back to Jerusalem there 32 years ago. Keep your eyes open ok!

171 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:15:34am
172 MandyManners  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:16:06am

re: #165 'Nam Grunt

It's a Purple Heart. ;-)

I figured as much but I didn't want to say.

173 MandyManners  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:16:32am

re: #166 lone_wolf_in_illinois

Thanks Mandy!

Can you take any photographs and post them when you get back?

174 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:16:44am

re: #165 'Nam Grunt

It's a Purple Heart. ;-)

Well he certainly qualifies!

175 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:16:56am

re: #158 Killgore Trout

Komment...

Wish I could still find my combat boots so I could stick them up that little bastards ass.

176 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:17:12am

I will never understand how those who get the best possible lifestyle using the freedoms America offers as the vehicle to do it, hate America.

I will never get it...nor will I do the mental contortions necessary to 'understand' it either.

177 MandyManners  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:17:23am

re: #171 song_and_dance_man

No apology was necessary, but OK; accepted.

I would have guessed you hit the wrong button since I know the post isn't something you might disagree with. We know each other at least that well.

Yes, we do.

178 laZardo  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:17:28am

re: #168 Bob in Breckenridge

Fine, fine. No need to go all-bold-and-fuckin'-caps on me here. Sheesh.

And it's 1:16 AM, and I've got school in a few hours. Gonna try to get some sleep and hope I can actually dream for once. Cheers.

179 Bloodnok  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:18:14am

re: #147 Killgore Trout

I googled and got A Dr Who character, Billy joel, and a bunch of seafood restaurants.

Ask.com had the following.

Captain Jack Kientopoos

180 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:19:04am

re: #175 Mars Needs Neocons

Here's another one...

There is at least one soldier we should remember,
even though he's alive: Ehren Watada, who has sacrificed his freedom for the right principles. He is but one of many who have resisted this illegal war, but one of the very few to address the issue directly.


They're more interested in honouring the deserters than the fallen. Now that's progressive.

181 6pat6  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:19:48am

TAMPA, Fla. (AP) — Harry Richard Landis, who enlisted in the Army in 1918 and was one of only two known surviving U.S. veterans of World War I, has died. He was 108.

Landis, who lived at a Sun City Center nursing home, died Monday, according to the Florida Department of Veterans Affairs.

The remaining U.S. veteran is Frank Buckles, 107, of Charles Town, W.Va., according the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs. In addition, John Babcock of Spokane, Wash., 107, served in the Canadian army and is the last known Canadian veteran of the war.

Another World War I vet, Ohioan J. Russell Coffey, died in December at 109. The last known German World War I veteran, Erich Kaestner, died New Year's Day at 107.

182 Racer X  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:19:48am

re: #158 Killgore Trout

Talking about how stupid and unpatriotic the Koskids are is a waste of time. They have clearly shown they are unwilling to stand up for America. In their eyes there is no global situation that would justify the use of the American military to take lives.

No one wants war. No one wants to take the life of another. Sadly, it must be done - by brave men who fear the consequences but do it anyway because it must be done.

183 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:20:09am

re: #179 Bloodnok

Ah, that's probably it.

184 elevenbravo1969  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:20:12am

re: #163 Dustyvet

Indeed I do. I was always able to get at least a whole carton of Pall Malls (Luck Strikes, but longer) for myself since all the guys wanted the Marlboros, which came in boxes. I only quit smoking the damn things about two years ago.

185 MandyManners  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:20:27am

re: #176 Oh no...Sand People!

I will never understand how those who get the best possible lifestyle using the freedoms America offers as the vehicle to do it, hate America.

I will never get it...nor will I do the mental contortions necessary to 'understand' it either.

Your brain might not survive the necessary twists and turns.

186 uncle_monkey  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:20:34am

re: #127 Racer X

This is what it takes to keep America free. Diplomacy works only if you have the balls to defend yourself when diplomacy does not work.

That's an amazing pic!
I wonder if its looking like an American Eagle is intentional?

187 laZardo  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:20:48am

Oh, and before I go to bed,

Happy Memorial Day.

188 jaunte  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:20:51am

re: #158 Killgore Trout


The Kos Kommenter blaming the US for aggressive wars remains blissfully unaware of the mass graves of Anfal, in Iraq. Maybe if he's reading, he'll look at these:

[Link: www.brookesnews.com...]
[Link: www.iht.com...]
[Link: www.pbs.org...]

189 6pat6  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:21:13am
190 MandyManners  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:21:41am

re: #178 laZardo

Sweet dreams!

191 Bob in Breckenridge  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:22:47am

re: #187 laZardo

BTW, what I said wasn't directed at you, but rather at google. I just used your comment to reply to sarcastically.

192 laZardo  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:22:51am

re: #190 MandyManners

Thanks.

193 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:23:06am

When I was at the cemetery today, we saw one WW2 Vet. It did not list his rank but it had the inscription "The King". I bet there is some great story there!

194 yma o hyd  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:23:12am

re: #176 Oh no...Sand People!

And what I don't get is that they obviously have never heard of warcrimes committed by other nations ... as there are Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, Mao's China, Hirohito's Japan - just to name a few real 'biggies', leaving the more modern littlies like Darfur, Rwanda, Somalia etc etc etc on the side ...

195 laZardo  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:23:32am

re: #191 Bob in Breckenridge

Ah, no biggie. If you really want to vent your rage at Google though, you could do worse than the Soviets (see my #108.)

196 Dirk Diggler  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:23:50am

It's hard to argue with the great cosmopolitan minds of Google.

The 125th Birthday of Walter Gropius is indeed far more deserving of a tribute logo than Memorial Day. The invention of the Bauhaus is far more a significant human achievement than the deaths of hundreds of thousands of American men and women who fought, on behalf of all humanity, to destroy slavery, Nazism, and Communism.

197 6pat6  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:24:14am

I remember when I was in junior high and reading about the last known Civil War vet passing, in the early '70s.

Time, and their memories, marches on...

198 zombie  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:24:46am

Speaking of which, has anybody noticed the latest disastrous news from Iraq?

...?...

Me neither.

That's because there hasn't been any. In fact, the number of incidents seems to have dropped even further from their already previously low levels, to the point where the casualty rate for soliders in Iraq seems to be about at the same level for soldiers still in boot camp.

I haven't seen any statistics from the last three months (and why not, MSM?), but it seems to me that the WAR IS OVER already.

If it's just as dangerous at Camp Lejeune or Fort Dix as it is on the "battlefield," then in what fahsion does this count as a "hot war"?

I have seen articles recently saying Al Qadea In Iraq is essentially crushed and has no resources and few surviving members. Also, the Mahdi Army was revealed to be nothing but a bunch of heroin addicts who only are given their fixes (funded by Iranian heroin) if they shoot at coalition soldiers. But their back is broken too.

Without those two groups, there is basically no "resistance."

It's game over.

Hold a ticker tape parade down Fifth Avenue.

199 6pat6  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:25:17am

Oh, and Google...you are encouraged and invited to kiss my ass.

200 nyc redneck  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:25:29am

i'm starting to really appreciate mccain (true, it is the first time in my adult life time but thinking abt. him speaking on memorial day w/ his purple heart, makes me feel proud. he is such a better person than the empty shallow fool b.o.)

201 yma o hyd  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:26:39am

re: #181 6pat6

TAMPA, Fla. (AP) — Harry Richard Landis, who enlisted in the Army in 1918 and was one of only two known surviving U.S. veterans of World War I, has died. He was 108.

Landis, who lived at a Sun City Center nursing home, died Monday, according to the Florida Department of Veterans Affairs.

The remaining U.S. veteran is Frank Buckles, 107, of Charles Town, W.Va., according the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs. In addition, John Babcock of Spokane, Wash., 107, served in the Canadian army and is the last known Canadian veteran of the war.

Another World War I vet, Ohioan J. Russell Coffey, died in December at 109. The last known German World War I veteran, Erich Kaestner, died New Year's Day at 107.

Here is another one for this list:
"111-year-old Briton Henry Allingham, born June 6, 1896, is currently the oldest living verified WWI veteran."
(Link:[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

202 lawhawk  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:26:50am

re: #158 Killgore Trout

Carter seemingly hopes that President Bush will somehow be brought up on war crimes charges as well if he were to go outside the US. Never mind that there's no truth to the matter asserted - it's just been repeated ad nauseum and complained about for an eternity.

Of course, these same folks wanted the US to invade Burma to provide humanitarian aid to hundreds of thousands of people suffering at the hands of the junta.

These same folks wanted the US to take military action on Darfur - to prevent ethnic cleansing and genocide.

Why is Iraq different? Because President Bush did overthrow a regime that engaged in ethnic cleansing and genocide. He did send US forces to Iraq and that those forces are, in addition to wiping out al Qaeda and insurgent forces supported by Iran, providing humanitarian aid and creating the conditions for a possible stable functioning Arab democracy in the heart of the Middle East.

They can't hate Bush enough for that. For the possibility of success despite all their attempts to lay him and our efforts low.

203 Intrepid  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:27:09am

"Si vis pacem, para bellum"
("If you want peace, prepare for war!")
- Flavius Vegetius Renatus (ca 390 AD),
Roman military strategist
From "Epitoma rei militaris" (a summary of military matters)

This is what those on the left either cannot or refuse to grasp. We must sometimes defend freedom from the assault of lovers of tyranny.

Not progressive, no. But irrefutable and immutable.

204 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:27:43am

re: #200 nyc redneck

i'm starting to really appreciate mccain (true, it is the first time in my adult life time but thinking abt. him speaking on memorial day w/ his purple heart, makes me feel proud. he is such a better person than the empty shallow fool b.o.)

Well you can say alot of things about McCain, I have. But he loves his country and has served it faithfully for over 50 years. You can NEVER take that away from him.

205 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:28:01am
206 Geepers  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:28:25am

zombie (#198),

Speaking of which, has anybody noticed the latest disastrous news from Iraq?

...?...

Me neither.

The MSM has no interest in American success, hence the disappearance of any news from Iraq.

207 lawhawk  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:28:46am

re: #198 zombie

I read somewhere yesterday that there was no US injuries, let alone fatalities in the last seven days in operations in Iraq.

Want to know why you don't hear about Iraq - that's it.

No blood. No guts. No lede.

208 leboaz  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:29:10am

re: #198 zombie

I don't think the war on terror is over, by a long shot. But I agree with you that the Iraq situation is greatly improved. If Barry gets elected, he'll proclaim himself the saviour of all the troops HE brings home, and all the friggin' lefties will go right along with him.

209 J.D.  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:29:12am

re: #198 zombie

I have a friend who arrived home two weeks ago and was promoted to Colonel while he was in Baghdad and that is almost exactly what he says.

210 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:29:33am
211 'Nam Grunt  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:29:34am

re: #205 savage_nation

He would have tried to get them to join his church!

212 right_on_target  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:30:08am

Here's a reason for Memorial Day.

O, thus be it ever when freemen shall stand,
Between their lov'd homes and the war's desolation;
Blest with vict'ry and peace, may the heav'n-rescued land
Praise the Pow'r that hath made and preserv'd us as a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause. it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust"
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

For those who gave it all for the cause, it is just.

213 jdun  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:30:22am

Google is pure evil. Anti Jews, Anti American.

214 Colonel Panik  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:30:53am

re: #200 nyc redneck

i'm starting to really appreciate mccain (true, it is the first time in my adult life time but thinking abt. him speaking on memorial day w/ his purple heart, makes me feel proud. he is such a better person than the empty shallow fool b.o.)

Getting To Know John McCain...by Karl Rove!

A worthy Memorial Day read.

215 opnion  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:30:55am

re: #194 yma o hyd

And what I don't get is that they obviously have never heard of warcrimes committed by other nations ... as there are Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, Mao's China, Hirohito's Japan - just to name a few real 'biggies', leaving the more modern littlies like Darfur, Rwanda, Somalia etc etc etc on the side ...

Ah, but they are so nuanced that they understand , that in some cosmic way America is responsible for all of it. Before our founding by those old dead honkies,the world had no wars.
After we got into Afghanistan a newsie on site pointed out a horror that we had perpetrated on the locals.
The Taliban had leveled a village. This newsie uncovered a sand pail with a picture of Minnie Mouse. He pointed out that this was a manifestation of U.S cultural Imperialism. Can't make it up

216 talon_262  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:31:03am

I guess Google's too busy nowadays being "citizens of the world" to do something as provincial as putting a Memorial Day logo up for us Americans (you know, where they're company is based). Never mind that they always seem to have a logo for lesser holidays and anniversaries, but even with the media attention last year over the same issues, Google's thrown another "f*ck you" out to our vets and shown that they just don't care what people who do honor our vets' service and sacrifice think of them.

217 vagabond trader  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:31:10am

re: #200 nyc redneck

Heard that the Obama is also in NM speaking to veterans. Something tells me these vets are of the John Kerry variety.

218 lawhawk  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:31:11am

Well, Fidel (or the simulacrum) has come out and endorsed a candidate.

Barack Obama.

Figures.

He's the most "advanced".

Heh.

219 bosforus  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:31:17am

does Yahoo have anything like iGoogle. RSS feeds and such?

220 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:31:47am

I know this is on a past thread today, but I wonder if Carter ever attempts to go back to Israel they can arrest him for divulging Nuclear secrets? They can throw him the same cell as Vanunu.

221 Psaturn  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:32:00am

re: #73 Charles

There's no point in removing the Google search feature. All that does is take away some functionality from LGF, with no effect at all on Google.

Also, many of the search engines people recommend: a) are not anywhere near as good as Google, or b) are using Google themselves. Google is the back end for a lot of these lesser known search sites.

You are quite right.

Since Google has that much power...they can exercise their authority to determine what is right and wrong.

It looks like Google determined Memorial Day is wrong. The day memorializes the dead of the wars America fought.

The fear I have is that someday they may decide to drop links that are anathema to their worldview, or place the links so low on the list, you would have to find them way way deep into search, once Google is the only game in town.

When searching for things I am interested, I noticed that the ones opposite to what I was looking for are usually on the top, I had to go several pages past to find what I wanted. Some of the things I found easily several years ago through Google, using the same term today does not give me the same thing.

And you know the things that I am interested is not what the Google people are interested.

222 chicagodudewhotrades  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:32:48am

Here is a example of a a corporation doing the right thing:


I know Boeing has only it's headquarters staff and top management based in downtown Chicago, but this is why I like hearing 'chicago-based Boeing' in news stories.

223 J.D.  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:32:50am

re: #218 lawhawk

Well, Fidel (or the simulacrum) has come out and endorsed a candidate.

Barack Obama.

Figures.

He's the most "advanced".

Heh.

Advanced, is it?
Barack must be proud!

224 vagabond trader  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:32:51am

re: #220 Nevergiveup

What secrets? lol.

225 talon_262  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:32:59am

re: #216 talon_262

PIMF...meant "where their company is based"

226 9/11 Repub  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:33:22am

Check this out...maybe now that Brin sees what a great country Israel is he'll get a clue!

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

227 GGMac  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:33:55am

re: #36 Grammy Cracker

Ask.com put this up today...

Grammy's page

ask.com's home page is beautiful - perfect Memorial Day presentation, and they also have two links to "read more about it".

And Grammy Cracker, your blogspot is terrific!

228 Bill Dalasio  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:34:09am

re: #11 rockdad

Unpatriotic ungrateful capitalistic pigs are the worst!

On behalf of capitalistic pigs everywhere I must object in the strongest possible terms. We have the basic good sense to know and respect where our trough is. It takes a moonbat to not know well enough not to poop where you eat.

229 NoSubmission  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:34:28am

Anyone know why Drudge has has this photo of Cindy McCain up for the last few days for no apparent reason?

230 NoSubmission  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:35:09am

pimf
/had

231 Desert Dog  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:35:21am

Perhaps their new Chinese OVERLORDS, oops, I mean business partners told them not to put anything different on their logo...after all, it was only American "devils" that are being honored today

232 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:35:35am

re: #212 right_on_target

Here's a reason for Memorial Day.

O, thus be it ever when freemen shall stand,
Between their lov'd homes and the war's desolation;
Blest with vict'ry and peace, may the heav'n-rescued land
Praise the Pow'r that hath made and preserv'd us as a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause. it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust"
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

For those who gave it all for the cause, it is just.

I'm in charge of my school's Veterans Day program. I've designed three, and in Progeram A--which comes up again this year--a soloist sings that verse after the story of the writing of "The Star Spangled Banne"r during the battle at Fort McHenry.

233 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:35:39am

re: #224 vagabond trader

What secrets? lol.

He is overseas somewhere and in an interview he said Israel has 150 nuclear warheads. Must be information from the time he was President. What a smuck!

234 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:35:55am

re: #202 lawhawk


Why is Iraq different? Because President Bush did overthrow a regime that engaged in ethnic cleansing and genocide.


Yup. And if Bush were to send the military into Darfur the moonbats would scream "colonialism" and praise the Janjaweed for resisting.

235 reine.de.tout  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:35:55am

Posted by Globular Cluster on the previous thread - an entire page at Zombie of "suggestions" for how Google could mark the day, appropriately, tastefully and in keeping with their tradition.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

236 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:36:36am

re: #229 NoSubmission

Anyone know why Drudge has has this photo of Cindy McCain up for the last few days for no apparent reason?

Because he has gone over to the dark side.

237 Desert Dog  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:37:08am

re: #229 NoSubmission

Anyone know why Drudge has has this photo of Cindy McCain up for the last few days for no apparent reason?

Maybe Matt has a crush on Cindy?

238 opnion  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:37:24am

re: #234 Killgore Trout

Yup. And if Bush were to send the military into Darfur the moonbats would scream "colonialism" and praise the Janjaweed for resisting.

At the very least., they would sniff that he should have let the locals handle it.

239 Dirk Diggler  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:38:36am

lawhawk,

I read somewhere yesterday that there was no US injuries, let alone fatalities in the last seven days in operations in Iraq.

Want to know why you don't hear about Iraq - that's it.

Of course you're not hearing about American casualties. The bodies of dead American soldiers are being dropped from helicopters into the emptiest quarters of the Iraqi desert.

/Robert Fisk mode off

240 Roentgen  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:38:47am

re: #218 lawhawk

Well, Fidel (or the simulacrum) has come out and endorsed a candidate.

Barack Obama.

Figures.

He's the most "advanced".

Heh.

He meant to say has the most advanced...case of delirium.

241 yma o hyd  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:38:57am

re: #218 lawhawk

Well - that ought to reduce the number of voters for him, certainly in Florida ...

(Not those voters on the left, oh no - they'll now swoon more than ever!)

242 Dustyvet  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:39:09am

re: #217 vagabond trader

Funny that Obama is in NM speaking to Veterans, he can't be bothered with veterans in his home state of Illinois.

243 'Nam Grunt  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:39:41am

OT: Mars Lander will start digging through the Mars perma frost soon, sure as hell hope they hit an oil gusher, that would make Ripley's out of this world wildcat drilling.

244 opnion  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:39:57am

re: #239 Dirk Diggler

lawhawk,

Of course you're not hearing about American casualties. The bodies of dead American soldiers are being dropped from helicopters into the emptiest quarters of the Iraqi desert.

/Robert Fisk mode off

Compare Americas deaths in Iraq lat week to the body count in Detroit, Chicago, LA.

245 NoSubmission  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:40:03am

re: #236 Nevergiveup

Because he has gone over to the dark side.

re: #237 Desert Dog

Maybe Matt has a crush on Cindy?


It's so funny because there's no story linked to the picture.
He should create a separate page just for his favorite Cindy shots.

246 uncle_monkey  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:40:16am

re: #199 6pat6

Oh, and Google...you are encouraged and invited to kiss my ass.

Now don't be going and getting them all hot and bothered!

247 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:40:25am

re: #242 Dustyvet

Funny that Obama is in NM speaking to Veterans, he can't be bothered with veterans in his home state of Illinois.

He refuses to met with representatives of "Vets For Freedom" that are from Illinois.

248 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:40:27am

re: #243 'Nam Grunt

OT: Mars Lander will start digging through the Mars perma frost soon, sure as hell hope they hit an oil gusher, that would make Ripley's out of this world wildcat drilling.

It will find what I allow it to find.

/

249 MandyManners  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:40:33am

re: #242 Dustyvet

Funny that Obama is in NM speaking to Veterans, he can't be bothered with veterans in his home state of Illinois.

Isn't that Bill Richardson's state?

250 Bob in Breckenridge  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:41:31am

re: #198 zombie

zombie- I did notice that ABC radio news reported on their 11 am news report that a soldier had been killed by an (Iranian made) IED, right after their piece on President Bush laying a wreath at Arlington National Cemetery. They also pointed out that this is his time doing this as President, as if that's relevant.

251 Racer X  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:41:32am

re: #229 NoSubmission

It's to show Americans that our next president is married to a hot babe. Who owns a beer distributorship.

252 J.D.  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:41:38am

Nice addition there, Charles!

253 leboaz  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:41:40am

re: #242 Dustyvet

re: #242 Dustyvet

Funny that Obama is in NM speaking lying to Veterans, he can't be bothered with veterans in his home state of Illinois.

fixed

254 opnion  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:41:52am

re: #247 Nevergiveup

He refuses to met with representatives of "Vets For Freedom" that are from Illinois.

What could Barry possibly have to say to vets?

255 zombie  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:42:18am

re: #234 Killgore Trout

Just curious: What happened last night? There seems to have been a tiff over a few of your comments which featured profanities, etc. One of your comments even acquired a "minus 20" rating before being deleted. Were you drunk? Did someone hack into your account and post things under your name? Or just in a really bad mood? Or...?

256 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:42:42am

re: #251 Racer X

It's to show Americans that our next president is married to a hot babe. Who owns a beer distributorship.

Money isn't everything but it's way ahead of anything in 2nd place.

257 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:43:01am

re: #254 opnion

What could Barry possibly have to say to vets?

Thank You!

258 Psaturn  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:43:14am

re: #229 NoSubmission

Anyone know why Drudge has has this photo of Cindy McCain up for the last few days for no apparent reason?

Good point!

Does it sound like Drudge is supporting Obama?

He published that photo of Oregon rally where Drudge said people as far as eyes could see...

And Charles put the context of that Obama rally, there was this FREE concert by Decembrists..or was it someone else ?

There were several of pro Obama comments and link that Drudge Report gave...

with McCain...it is somewhat negative and or ignored..

and you now you mention his wife...interesting.

259 Right Brain  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:43:31am

Google's Product Manager is Lt. Commander David Tussey, USN, retired. He is a twenty year Navy veteran, a Phd in computer science, and a fighter pilot instructor. It would be difficult to imagine any nefarious reasons why he has not altered the Google logo for a day on which we honor his fallen comrades.

260 The Other Les  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:44:05am

re: #251 Racer X

It's to show Americans that our next president is married to a hot babe. Who owns a beer distributorship.

The Women's Christian Temperance Union is going to have a problem with that.

261 Roentgen  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:44:12am

re: #248 Mars Needs Neocons

It will find what I allow it to find.

/

Oh, I remember that movie.

262 Psaturn  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:44:17am

re: #236 Nevergiveup

Because he has gone over to the dark side.

I think so !

263 MandyManners  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:44:42am

re: #258 Psaturn

Good point!

Does it sound like Drudge is supporting Obama?

He published that photo of Oregon rally where Drudge said people as far as eyes could see...

And Charles put the context of that Obama rally, there was this FREE concert by Decembrists..or was it someone else ?

There were several of pro Obama comments and link that Drudge Report gave...

with McCain...it is somewhat negative and or ignored..

and you now you mention his wife...interesting.

I believe that Drudge just wants to be popular.

264 looking closely  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:44:52am

What's so difficult, irreverent, or sad about a simple American flag?

Even if you don't agree with EVERY use of the American military, you can't deny that at least SOME of the time (eg WWII) its done the right thing.

265 Caliredst8r  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:44:56am

re: #229 NoSubmission

Better Cindy McCain than this Cindy!

266 opnion  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:45:06am

re: #257 Nevergiveup

Thank You!

Yes, but it would just drip with insincerity.
He supports the troops so much, that he continues to signal the enemy to just hang in there. Better times are coming for them if he is elected.

267 MandyManners  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:45:17am

re: #259 Right Brain

Google's Product Manager is Lt. Commander David Tussey, USN, retired. He is a twenty year Navy veteran, a Phd in computer science, and a fighter pilot instructor. It would be difficult to imagine any nefarious reasons why he has not altered the Google logo for a day on which we honor his fallen comrades.

Why hasn't he raised holy hell?

268 right_on_target  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:45:25am

"Furthermore, Google’s special logos tend to be lighthearted in nature. If we were to commemorate Memorial Day, we would want to express reverence, rather than mirth. This would be a particularly challenging design. We would not want to, in any way, create a graphic that could be interpreted as disrespectful. In light of the mail we have received about this, we are actively considering designs we could display on this day next year. We welcome any suggestions you may have."

They're saying that Google doesn't want to contribute to Memorial Day mirth because today (a Monday) is observed as Memorial Day for people to have a three day holiday! Maybe they'll have a solemn logo for the original Memorial Day, Friday, May 30. Look for it but it won't be there.

269 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:45:31am

re: #263 MandyManners

I believe that Drudge just wants to be popular.

Piss on popular. Be right!

270 MandyManners  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:45:57am

re: #264 looking closely

What's so difficult, irreverent, or sad about a simple American flag?

Even if you don't agree with EVERY use of the American military, you can't deny that at least SOME of the time (eg WWII) its done the right thing.

There are some who think that Hitler wasn't that bad.

271 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:46:02am

re: #265 Caliredst8r

Better Cindy McCain than this Cindy!

I like my eyes too much to look.

272 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:46:10am
273 MandyManners  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:46:41am

re: #269 Nevergiveup

Piss on popular. Be right!

I wonder if he got his ass kicked in school for his lunch money.

274 Shaky Louie  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:47:06am

re: #229 NoSubmission

Anyone know why Drudge has has this photo of Cindy McCain up for the last few days for no apparent reason?


/ umm, 'cause she's hot?
;-)

275 chicagodudewhotrades  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:47:29am

here is another great commercial:


276 KingKenrod  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:47:29am

Google has created 5 special logos just in the past month or so:

125th Birthday of Walter Gropius - May 18, 2008
Invention of the First Laser - May 16, 2008
Mother's Day - May 11, 2008
Design by Jeff Koons - April 30, 2008
Earth Day - April 22, 2008

[Link: www.google.com...]

277 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:47:48am

re: #270 MandyManners

There are some who think that Hitler wasn't that bad.

I think they are called...it's on the tip of my tongue..wait..oh yeah..APPEASERS!

278 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:47:53am

re: #255 zombie

I've acquired a stalker intent on chasing me off the blog or getting me to censor my godlessness because Christians were getting offended. He was attributing the statements and opinions of Markx and Stalin to me. I tried gazing and my requests to be left alone were refuted so I decided to fight back. He's acquired some supporters. I hope it doesn't turn into a drama like the GCP folks. I think it will calm down soon.

279 NoSubmission  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:47:55am

re: #258 Psaturn
It is very ambiguous and odder still that there is no story to go with it. I like the picture, personally. Just strange that its been up there for days.

280 Psaturn  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:48:05am

re: #255 zombie

I just wish we could have discussions without ad hominem attacks and personal attacks...we all have similar goals here. Some people's goals may be based on Biblical, some others by some personal genetic programming, some by brainwashing...

Still, we can agree to disagree without using f*ck u, or things like that..

Or even saying things like "You people" a la Leona Helmsley...

281 SeafoodGumbo  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:48:12am

Don't let google keep info on you:

Open a command prompt (Start -> All Programs -> Accessories -> Command Prompt)

Then type in:
notepad C:/windows/system32/drivers/etc/hosts

In the file that opens, add the lines (without the first line space in "w ww"):

0.0.0.0 w ww.google-analytics.com
0.0.0.0 google-analytics.com
0.0.0.0 ssl.google-analytics.com
0.0.0.0 *.google-analytics.com

Save, and close.

I don't even let google keep a cookie on my computer.
For Firefox, just go to Tools -> Options -> Privacy -> cookies -> Exceptions

And add google.com to be blocked.

282 NoSubmission  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:48:25am

re: #271 Mars Needs Neocons

I like my eyes too much to look.


It ruined my day for a minute.

283 Psaturn  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:48:43am

re: #263 MandyManners

I believe that Drudge just wants to be popular.

Well...he doesn't need to work at it...he already is !

284 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:48:47am

re: #274 Shaky Louie

/ umm, 'cause she's hot?
;-)

What worries me more is the article two above the pic. Since when does anyone take any information from traitor and country destroyer George Soros?

285 vagabond trader  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:49:04am

re: #233 Nevergiveup

I know, just kidding. As for the "what secrets" comment, Israel doesn't officially admit to any nukes. Carter is a bitter old fool, clinging to misplaced beliefs of relevency.

286 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:49:29am

re: #278 Killgore Trout

Addendum.
I think it's misplaced anger over Charles decision to cover the evolution debate. They can't take it out on him so they direct it at me.

287 Desert Dog  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:49:48am

re: #243 'Nam Grunt

OT: Mars Lander will start digging through the Mars perma frost soon, sure as hell hope they hit an oil gusher, that would make Ripley's out of this world wildcat drilling.

Vladimir Putin would immediately claim all oil rights for Mars

288 indythinker  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:49:50am

re: #236 Nevergiveup

Because he has gone over to the dark side.

Drudge has become a hate-America Moonbat.

If Charles started his own headline site, like Drudge except with actual news, it would kick butt.

289 Psaturn  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:49:58am

re: #265 Caliredst8r

Better Cindy McCain than this Cindy!

UGHHH ! My eyes !

290 abolitionist  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:50:09am

re: #281 SeafoodGumbo

Thanks. Had some of that already.

291 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:50:38am
292 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:50:49am

re: #288 indythinker

Drudge has become a hate-America Moonbat.

If Charles started his own headline site, like Drudge except with actual news, it would kick butt.

No go, Halliburton already provides all martian services. We're quite content really.

/

293 Caliredst8r  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:51:01am

re: #271 Mars Needs Neocons

Yeah, sorry 'bout that, right after I posted that pic I had second thoughts. Why do that to my fellow lizards? Especially on a holiday!

294 NoSubmission  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:51:40am

re: #293 Caliredst8r

Yeah, sorry 'bout that, right after I posted that pic I had second thoughts. Why do that to my fellow lizards? Especially on a holiday!


It hurt. Deep. Had to go back and look at Cindy McCain again to refresh.

295 The Other Les  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:51:57am

re: #288 indythinker

Drudge has become a hate-America Moonbat.

If Charles started his own headline site, like Drudge except with actual news, it would kick butt.

And how will this site be paid for?

296 Desert Dog  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:52:40am

re: #295 The Other Les

And how will this site be paid for?

George Soros is rich, maybe he can fund it?

297 Psaturn  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:53:00am

re: #295 The Other Les

And how will this site be paid for?

Just like Drudge's !

He does not have too many advertisers!

298 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:53:17am
299 Psaturn  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:53:19am

re: #296 Desert Dog

George Soros is rich, maybe he can fund it?

We can only dream, can't we?

300 Caliredst8r  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:53:40am

re: #294 NoSubmission

Here, I'll make it up to ya.

301 Psaturn  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:54:14am

re: #286 Killgore Trout

Did you see additional things I added just for you in that ...ahem...thread?

302 uncle_monkey  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:54:26am

re: #271 Mars Needs Neocons

I like my eyes too much to look.

BTW, a BIG THANKS to you, and any and all Lizards here who've served our country so well!

303 Sharmuta  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:54:35am

re: #286 Killgore Trout

That thread is far from dead, btw.

304 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:55:14am

re: #302 uncle_monkey

BTW, a BIG THANKS to you, and any and all Lizards here who've served our country so well!

Thank you.

305 kynna  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:56:01am

I went around checking the different search engines and found Ask.com has a nice visual. Dogpile.com has three dogs solemnly sitting by an American flag (I think this one is particularly in-Google's-face as it shows you can actually keep to your own theme and be respectful as well).

AOL has nothing at all now that they changed the pic for the Mars story.

I'm going to hang as much at LGF today as possible. I have to go to a cook-out at a moonbat's house in a little while and I need this place to keep me sane. o_O

306 The Other Les  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:56:16am

Meanwhile over at the Stevie Nicks website:

On this Memorial Day we honor our U.S. servicemen and servicewomen who gave their life for their country.

307 M. Bensson-Levi  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:56:27am

re: #278 Killgore Trout

I've acquired a stalker intent on chasing me off the blog or getting me to censor my godlessness because Christians were getting offended. He was attributing the statements and opinions of Markx and Stalin to me. I tried gazing and my requests to be left alone were refuted so I decided to fight back. He's acquired some supporters. I hope it doesn't turn into a drama like the GCP folks. I think it will calm down soon.

If you don't my my asking, who's attacking you...besides me, you G-dless atheist ( in your case, that ain't redundant ) pig!

What's up with that?

308 Athens Runaway  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:57:16am

For those reptilian Firefox users, I made a Greasemonkey userscript that replaces Google's logo with one of Zombie's logo ideas. Feel free to use it; I'm going to make it my Google logo for every day.

309 leboaz  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:57:18am

re: #127 Racer X

I sent the pic to a NamVet buddy who flew C-130's. He asked about the date. Said he didn't have the capacity to deploy flares in '69. Any help?

310 NoSubmission  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:57:29am

re: #300 Caliredst8r

Here, I'll make it up to ya.


Thanks. I think Cindy McCain is a classy, beautiful poised lady.
Oh, and I'm a woman, for the record. In case some of you guys forgot. ;)

311 indythinker  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:57:47am

re: #295 The Other Les

And how will this site be paid for?

Advertising.

If the site were to take off, Charles could make a small killing. Drudge rakes in beaucoup bucks for his ads.

312 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:58:04am
313 SnakeSpit  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:58:05am

Screw Google! Yahoo is now my homepage. Getting rid of google toolbar.
It's memorial day. Here's an Israeli version of "Brothers In Arms"

314 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 26, 2008 10:59:10am

re: #301 Psaturn

Checking now.

re: #307 M. Bensson-Levi


If you don't my my asking, who's attacking you...besides me, you G-dless atheist ( in your case, that ain't redundant ) pig!

What's up with that?


I don't want to give him the attention he wants and I'd really prefer to avoid the drama.

315 Former Belgian  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:00:01am

re: #73 Charles

There's no point in removing the Google search feature. All that does is take away some functionality from LGF, with no effect at all on Google.

Also, many of the search engines people recommend: a) are not anywhere near as good as Google, or b) are using Google themselves. Google is the back end for a lot of these lesser known search sites.

Amen. Dogpile.com is actually a "meta-search engine", like the pioneering Metacrawler.com from the late '90s. It queries other search engines and aggregates the results.

316 J.D.  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:00:01am

re: #312 savage_nation

My god, shes still alive?

Easy now!
She's only 60!

317 chicagodudewhotrades  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:00:32am

another kick-ass commercial:


318 The Other Les  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:01:31am

re: #312 savage_nation

My god, shes still alive?

Yes.

319 M. Bensson-Levi  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:02:51am

re: #314 Killgore Trout

Understood. Good course of action. I'll keep an eye out for sparks.

320 Shaky Louie  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:03:12am

re: #284 Mars Needs Neocons

What worries me more is the article two above the pic. Since when does anyone take any information from traitor and country destroyer George Soros?


But, he said it to the Telegraph in the UK

Speculators are largely responsible for driving crude prices to their peaks in recent weeks and the record oil price now looks like a bubble, George Soros has warned.


This, from the "speculator" who has crashed monetary systems in more than one country!
I'd spit, but my mouth is dry.

321 Desert Dog  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:03:18am

re: #312 savage_nation

My god, shes still alive?

Alive and living in her home town, Phoenix, AZ

322 coquimbojoe  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:03:26am

re: #278 Killgore Trout

I've acquired a stalker intent on chasing me off the blog or getting me to censor my godlessness because Christians were getting offended. He was attributing the statements and opinions of Markx and Stalin to me. I tried gazing and my requests to be left alone were refuted so I decided to fight back. He's acquired some supporters. I hope it doesn't turn into a drama like the GCP folks. I think it will calm down soon.

Godless? You?! I am shocked! I will pray for you.

323 zombie  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:03:28am

re: #286 Killgore Trout

Addendum.
I think it's misplaced anger over Charles decision to cover the evolution debate. They can't take it out on him so they direct it at me.

Hmmm, interesting.

324 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:03:53am
325 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:04:00am

re: #320 Shaky Louie

This, from the "speculator" who has crashed monetary systems in more than one country!
I'd spit, but my mouth is dry.

And this is how the sob causes crashes, by putting out these little press releases.

326 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:04:01am

re: #317 chicagodudewhotrades

another kick-ass commercial:


[Link: www.youtube.com...]

I have chills. AWESOME!

327 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:04:26am
328 SnakeSpit  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:05:16am

re: #305 kynna

I went around checking the different search engines and found Ask.com has a nice visual. Dogpile.com has three dogs solemnly sitting by an American flag (I think this one is particularly in-Google's-face as it shows you can actually keep to your own theme and be respectful as well).

AOL has nothing at all now that they changed the pic for the Mars story.

I'm going to hang as much at LGF today as possible. I have to go to a cook-out at a moonbat's house in a little while and I need this place to keep me sane. o_O

My wife and kids went to a moonbat's house for a get together. I told her, "I ain't a-goin." So here I sit by myself, and it ain't half bad.
Piss on Google and all moonbats!

329 strangelove  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:05:17am

Four years in a row.

Hey Google, we have a choice. and you are no longer it. My homepage and search engine will be Yahoo from here on out.

330 zombie  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:05:19am

re: #288 indythinker

Drudge has become a hate-America Moonbat.

If Charles started his own headline site, like Drudge except with actual news, it would kick butt.

He has -- it's called the Spinoff Links feature.

Best news source on the Web.

331 coquimbojoe  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:05:28am

re: #314 Killgore Trout

Checking now.

re: #307 M. Bensson-Levi

I don't want to give him the attention he wants and I'd really prefer to avoid the drama.

Next time just shine the Buddha/Pope outline onto the clouds and those Godfearing KT supporters will rally. Unless reruns of Scrubs are on. But, if not, I am so there!

332 The Other Les  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:06:02am

re: #327 savage_nation

I assumed she died of a drug overdose.

I had a friend in the Army (early '80's) who was firmly convinced that George Carlin was dead.

333 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:06:06am

re: #323 zombie

Things have changed about here in the past year or so. It was that long ago that discussions of science, evolution, and religion were fairly restricted to not offend some of the more sensitive lizards. The changes have been tough on a lot of people. I understand that.

334 Caliredst8r  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:06:38am

re: #310 NoSubmission


oops, hee hee, sorry!

335 Intrepid  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:06:57am

Wow - first time I've read Russ Vaughn's poetry:

Rough men

There's a character trait that's decided by fate
Comes (sadly) to many, far too faint, far too late.
They won't face the aggressor, stand up to his ire
They have not the will to fight his fire with fire.
So they bend over backwards to see all sides as fair,
Till they're faced with dragon breath fire in their hair.
Like our brethren in France, who'd know better than we,
Yet seem never to learn, seem doomed never to see.

Yes, it seems there are some who're determined by fate,
To possess not the courage to step up to the plate,
Who shrink from all threat because nothing's worth war.
But how can they know lest they've been there before?
Thank God some have courage, the will, yes, the grace,
To stand for the shirkers, stand strong in their place.
Thank God we have stalwarts who'll stand for us all,
Who will rise to the challenge at their nation's call.

The faint-hearted, who fear, whose reaction is flight,
Have no comprehension of those who will fight.
To hide their own trepidation they attempt to demean
The rough men, who defend them, as barbaric, obscene.
Yet these rough men stand ready, hard weapons to hand,
To put placaters behind them, draw a line in the sand,
To preserve for the peaceniks what they won't defend,
So their own unearned freedom won't perish, won't end.

To appeasers, rough men are coarse government tools.
To rough men, appeasers are dumb delusional fools.

Russ Vaughn
2d Bn, 327th Parachute Infantry Regiment
101st Airborne Division
Vietnam 65-66

336 Former Belgian  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:07:02am

re: #210 savage_nation

Throw this in their faces.

John Burns is one of the VERY few NYT journalists who is just that, a journalist (and not an agitprop writer).

337 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:07:06am

re: #332 The Other Les

I had a friend in the Army (early '80's) who was firmly convinced that George Carlin was dead.

I thought " Weekend at Bernies" was based on Carlin's life?

338 indythinker  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:07:29am

re: #330 zombie

He has -- it's called the Spinoff Links feature.

Best news source on the Web.

I agree. He needs to take that or "Charles's picks" to a separate.com.

The Drudge three-column headlines and links format just works. That should be the format. If automation was the goal something could be done with RSS.

339 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:07:41am

re: #331 coquimbojoe

Next time just shine the Buddha/Pope outline onto the clouds and those Godfearing KT supporters will rally. Unless reruns of Scrubs are on. But, if not, I am so there!


Very funny but that's exactly what should not happen. People taking sides and ganging up on others is very bad for the blog. I've seen it here before and Charles hates it.

340 GGMac  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:08:13am

re: #36 Grammy Cracker

Ask.com put this up today...

Grammy's page

Hey, Lizards - an experiment that worked: at the Ask.com home page, just the Flag and poppies can be used as background. They come up at the lower right corner, taking up about 4"X6". The rest of the background is white. Really pretty.

341 Desert Dog  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:08:33am

re: #320 Shaky Louie

This, from the "speculator" who has crashed monetary systems in more than one country!
I'd spit, but my mouth is dry.

There is a special place in hell for Georgie Boy...how he can sleep at night is beyond me. The left routinely demonize people on the right like Richard Pearl and anyone from Halliburton for "pulling the strings" behind the scenes. Funny how an actual marionette master like Soros gets a pass. He is the living and breathing example of a behind the scenes manipulator...and an evil one to boot...

342 ccrnyc  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:08:41am

if you use firefox, install ad blocker.

343 hazzyday  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:08:53am

The google creators don't appreciate the sacrifices soldiers made to enable them to have their rich education. I believe the two are probably pro left anti troop and made a personal decision here. Hopefully something will replace them.

344 Desert Dog  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:09:05am

re: #327 savage_nation

I assumed she died of a drug overdose.

Only the good die young, Savage...

345 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:09:14am
346 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:09:33am
347 Psaturn  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:09:33am

re: #330 zombie

He has -- it's called the Spinoff Links feature.

Best news source on the Web.

I agree ! I keep finding things on the links that I have not seen anywhere!

Zombie, did you see the link I posted on that feminist biology professor? Hooo boy ! Moonbat Evolutionary Biology Professor, who'd think of that?

348 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:09:36am
349 Abu Al-Poopypants  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:09:41am

Dogpile has an animation of 3 dogs with their heads bowed, standing under a waving American flag, but it seems to only work with Internet Explorer and Safari on my machine. The default popup blocker in Firefox must be preventing it from showing up in that browser.

350 J.D.  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:10:00am

re: #335 Intrepid

That is great! Thanks!

351 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:10:00am
352 The Other Les  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:10:12am

re: #337 Nevergiveup

I thought " Weekend at Bernies" was based on Carlin's life?

Really?

[Link: che-mart.com...]

353 coquimbojoe  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:10:24am

re: #339 Killgore Trout

Very funny but that's exactly what should not happen. People taking sides and ganging up on others is very bad for the blog. I've seen it here before and Charles hates it.

I agree to the ganging up, but I am so tired of people on both sides who can't treat other opinions with respect. Sometimes there are threads where I just remain quiet (Hard to believe...) but I try at least to understand. I don't mind using the troll hammer on fools who are only about badgering those they disagree with.

354 Psaturn  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:10:29am

re: #333 Killgore Trout

Things have changed about here in the past year or so. It was that long ago that discussions of science, evolution, and religion were fairly restricted to not offend some of the more sensitive lizards. The changes have been tough on a lot of people. I understand that.

You do? Wow!

355 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:10:45am
356 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:12:03am

re: #313 SnakeSpit

Screw Google! Yahoo is now my homepage. Getting rid of google toolbar.

It's memorial day. Here's an Israeli version of "Brothers In Arms"

[Link: www.youtube.com...]


Youtube is part of the Google empire, I'd love it if the Lizard Nation would stop linking to it.

357 Psaturn  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:12:18am

re: #339 Killgore Trout

Very funny but that's exactly what should not happen. People taking sides and ganging up on others is very bad for the blog. I've seen it here before and Charles hates it.

I agree on that one.

I saw that on the Catholic Jewish conversation...

Not pretty!

358 J.D.  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:12:18am

re: #324 savage_nation

I know what you mean!
Notice I said "only 60"...

359 J.D.  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:12:52am

re: #345 ploome hineni

and she 'earns' more money per year, than TeresafknKerry

Hey ploome!

She does?

360 Psaturn  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:13:08am

re: #348 ploome hineni

Hi Ploomie ! Howaya !

By the way, are you a creationist?

(JUST KIDDING!)

361 descolada9  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:13:13am

I was happy to see that Yahoo! at least had the dog tags and purple heart. Google, however, just pisses me off as they recently had some stupid architectural commenoration but they can't do something for Memorial Day? Piss on them.

362 Shaky Louie  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:13:27am

re: #335 Intrepid

Wow


I agree! Thanks for posting that!

363 poteen  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:13:39am

Tomorrow's to-do list.
1. Fire off disapproving note to Google.
2. Get new phone book.
3. Update encyclopedia and dictionary.
4. Update Yahoo account.

If I still can't find it, I don't need to know it.

364 Psaturn  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:13:41am

re: #355 savage_nation

It was just a question, I honestly didnt know she was still around.

I don't even know who she is !

365 Intrepid  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:14:08am

re: #350 J.D.

That is great! Thanks!

You're welcome. I posted a link to his website in the spin-off thingy. He's got some great stuff, and takes jabs at the left.

366 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:14:16am

re: #354 Psaturn

Sure, not that long ago people here would have been outraged for me linking to thins like this . Even our discussion about Mithra yesterday would have been unthinkable a year or two ago. Things have changed.

367 rawmuse  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:14:38am

re: #353 coquimbojoe

I agree to the ganging up, but I am so tired of people on both sides who can't treat other opinions with respect. Sometimes there are threads where I just remain quiet (Hard to believe...) but I try at least to understand. I don't mind using the troll hammer on fools who are only about badgering those they disagree with.

Agreed, and if I may add, I consider science to be lens that God has given us to reveal His works. It is possible that we may never know all of His mysteries, as they are revealed to us, one at a time. Meanwhile, the bludgeon of Ignorance is a terrible scourge. Let us not cling to it.

368 runrabbitrun  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:15:20am

re: #117 song_and_dance_man

I think it's obvious Google doesn't want to offend the sensibilities of their 'hate America' users.

yup, or, just like American universities and Jimmah Cahteh, they do not want to offend the sensibilities of those 'hate America' clients that provide them with the most gold. They go with the money flow.

And the money flow will be used to indoctrinate and condition the next generations. yuck.

369 Former Belgian  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:15:48am

Meanwhile pawed through Zombie's page. Some nice ideas there.

I know somebody (Israeli born in North Africa) who was offered a job by Google at x times his current pay. He declined. Knowing him, he'd probably fit in there slightly better than "Genghis" Tom Kratman, but not by much.

I wish you all a meaningful Memorial Day.

Here's to absent comrades. They never truly died as long as they live in our hearts.

370 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:16:09am
371 J.D.  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:16:19am

re: #365 Intrepid

Thanks again! I'll check it out.

372 Firmworm  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:16:50am

re: #229 NoSubmission

Drudge doesn't work weekends or Holidays.

373 Ma Sands  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:17:15am

re: #370 song_and_dance_man

Sounds good. :)

374 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:17:32am

re: #372 Firmworm

Drudge doesn't work weekends or Holidays.

Good work if you can get it!

375 Desert Dog  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:17:37am

re: #367 rawmuse

Agreed, and if I may add, I consider science to be lens that God has given us to reveal His works. It is possible that we may never know all of His mysteries, as they are revealed to us, one at a time. Meanwhile, the bludgeon of Ignorance is a terrible scourge. Let us not cling to it.

Can Science and God ever get along? Times of London

376 edgarapoe  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:18:19am

Outrageous enough to break my one comment a year pledge.

What was "light-hearted" about Google's ominous black lights-out page back in the spring?

The fact is that Google is run and staffed by leftwing eurogreenie global secularists. You know the type.

The divide between these people and those like myself, red-blooded, Ford-driving, Flag-hanging-on-the-front-porch Americans has grown so vast over the past decade that I don't recognize them as my fellow countrymen--because they are not. We don't live in the same state of mind. And I don't think the gulf can be bridged anymore by our common humanity. It has gotten that bad.

Thank you for the vent.

377 zombie  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:18:36am

re: #347 Psaturn

I agree ! I keep finding things on the links that I have not seen anywhere!

Zombie, did you see the link I posted on that feminist biology professor? Hooo boy ! Moonbat Evolutionary Biology Professor, who'd think of that?

Took me a while, but I just tracked it down.

Not sure what the point is. As far as I can figure, in 1991 a whacked-out feminist wrote a knuckleheaded anti-scientific article musing about the connection feminism and evolution? Ohhh-kay. Whatever. It seemed to be just her ridiculous opinions, nothing to do with actual scientific research.

There are all sorts of bozos in academia. You should see spome of the stuff they publish on a daily basis. Not sure what the relevance of this is.

378 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:19:37am

re: #376 edgarapoe

Don't be afraid to post. You appear to have the right stuff!

379 snowcrash  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:20:16am

KT, looks like you got jumped in a dark alley, late at night. Very ugly, no fair play in that. You have my sympathy for what its worth.(very little I'm sure)

380 coquimbojoe  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:20:20am

re: #367 rawmuse

Agreed, and if I may add, I consider science to be lens that God has given us to reveal His works. It is possible that we may never know all of His mysteries, as they are revealed to us, one at a time. Meanwhile, the bludgeon of Ignorance is a terrible scourge. Let us not cling to it.

My faith teaches me that all truth comes from God. Period. Whereas, in my opinion religion searches for spiritual truths, science discovers the world around us. I find no conflict with scientific discovery and my faith, in fact I welcome it. It doesn't bother me a whit that discovery of scientific truths drives people to different conclusions about God and man (Scripture of any religion has done the same). For me the bottom line is salvation through Jesus Christ. Whether my ancestors swung from trees or not I could not care less.

381 FrogMarch  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:20:21am

do Soros and Gore control Google?

382 Onslow  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:20:25am
383 yma o hyd  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:21:38am

re: #375 Desert Dog

Thats an excellent article - highly recommended.
(I won't quote from it, as its decidedly OT.)

384 Ma Sands  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:21:42am

re: #373 Ma Sands

re: #370 song_and_dance_man

Sounds good. :)


Whoops...maybe another word would be better...like, "underpinnings", maybe? :)

385 Shaky Louie  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:22:45am

re: #341 Desert Dog

The left routinely demonize people on the right like Richard Pearl and anyone from Halliburton for "pulling the strings" behind the scenes. Funny how an actual marionette master like Soros gets a pass.


What's that term...cognisant dissonance (sp?) .

Nurse! Another dose of N3L3, stat!

386 uptight  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:23:17am
387 edgarapoe  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:23:58am

re: #378 Nevergiveup

Thank you. I don't like to clutter the airwaves but once a year.

Charles deleted my old account since I didn't appear to post but 5 times over 5 years, I assume. I must vent a little more often to stay active.

388 WriterMom  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:24:00am

re: #278 Killgore Trout

Jeeez...I was wondering what the heck was happening on that thread. Thanks for the info. Glech.

389 coquimbojoe  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:24:13am

re: #385 Shaky Louie

What's that term...cognisant dissonance (sp?) .

Nurse! Another dose of N3L3, stat!

Cognitive dissonance.

390 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:24:46am

re: #379 snowcrash

Thanks. I don't think it'll be a continuing problem.

391 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:24:47am

Cognitive Dissonance

Something the left will begin to suffer when the true face of the Obamessiah reveals itself.

392 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:25:38am

re: #386 uptight

"THINGS YOU NEVER SEE"
pt. 2 - Palestinian Anti-war Demonstrations

Brilliant photoshop, yours or someone elses?

393 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:25:54am
394 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:26:54am

by the way, I hate using Wikipedia, it's liberal manipulation is well known. But, on psychological matters they're usually really pretty good.

395 Ma Sands  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:27:24am

re: #393 song_and_dance_man

Yes. :)

396 uptight  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:27:52am

re: #392 Mars Needs Neocons

Brilliant photoshop, yours or someone elses?

mine

hey - do you think Urban Outfitters will buy it as a tshirt idea?

397 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:28:18am

re: #396 uptight

mine

hey - do you think Urban Outfitters will buy it as a tshirt idea?

It's pretty good. Maybe. Now I need to find part one of your series.

398 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:30:22am

re: #349 Abu Al-Poopypants

Dogpile has an animation of 3 dogs with their heads bowed, standing under a waving American flag, but it seems to only work with Internet Explorer and Safari on my machine. The default popup blocker in Firefox must be preventing it from showing up in that browser.

I'm running firefox, and I can see it--but I don't know whethe I've blocked anything,

399 ladycatnip  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:30:30am

#258 Psaturn

He published that photo of Oregon rally where Drudge said people as far as eyes could see...And Charles put the context of that Obama rally, there was this FREE concert by Decembrists..or was it someone else ?

That's exactly what was done. Some brilliant Obama operative teamed up with a leftist concert promoter, put their heads together and saw a golden opportunity. The media lapped it up. When I first saw that picture of O standing in front of 75,000 adoring fans, my heart sunk because I took the picture at face value. Which is precisely the response they wanted.

Fauxto-journalism is the leftist's alternate reality. They believe it because the picture says so.

400 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:31:11am

re: #397 Mars Needs Neocons

It's pretty good. Maybe. Now I need to find part one of your series.

Of course with urban outfitters radical leftist agenda they probably will tell you to kiss off. Of course there is the off chance they are too stupid to know you are dissing them.

401 G.W.  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:31:15am

Want another example?

Here is the CNN main headline currently:

Hate, grief keeps soldiers alive and fighting

Here is the lead:

Months after David Julian talked to CNN, he was dead. A bomb blasted him and four other soldiers in Iraq the same day. Julian's Army buddy thinks about the explosion every day. He's full of hate.

But read the article and there is no hate except the one the headline writer feels for the troops!

402 uptight  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:31:39am

re: #397 Mars Needs Neocons

It's pretty good. Maybe. Now I need to find part one of your series.

I did this tribute tshirt for Freshjive

403 MandyManners  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:32:20am

re: #382 Onslow

If Michelle Obama reads this she'll go postal

Indeed! I wonder if she'll hurl her waffle iron.

404 NY Nana  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:32:54am

I have a mesage for Google.

405 Desert Dog  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:33:15am

re: #401 G.W.

Want another example?

Here is the CNN main headline currently:

But read the article and there is no hate except the one the headline writer feels for the troops!

I think that writer has the hate and the troops have the "love"...Love of country, honor and duty...things that CNN and the left in general do not understand

406 Shaky Louie  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:33:52am

re: #389 coquimbojoe
Yes, that's it. Thanks!

*redfaced*

407 Abu Al-Poopypants  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:34:16am

re: #398 goddessoftheclassroom

I'm running firefox, and I can see it--but I don't know whethe I've blocked anything,

When I read Glenn Reynolds' listing of the various search sites and whether they had anything in observance of Memorial Day, he mentioned DogPile in the 'yes' column, but I wasn't seeing it, so I fired up IE and Safari alongside my usual Firefox, and there it was.

408 coquimbojoe  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:34:52am

re: #399 ladycatnip

#258 Psaturn

That's exactly what was done. Some brilliant Obama operative teamed up with a leftist concert promoter, put their heads together and saw a golden opportunity. The media lapped it up. When I first saw that picture of O standing in front of 75,000 adoring fans, my heart sunk because I took the picture at face value. Which is precisely the response they wanted.

Fauxto-journalism is the leftist's alternate reality. They believe it because the picture says so.

Drudge said As far as the 'camera' could see. I had to read it twice because I thought "fauxtography' immediately. He gave a nod to the pictures certainly being a set up.

409 quiglag  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:34:54am

Google has a full list of all of their custom logo's, some for really stupid things, and they cant come up with a Memorial Day logo? I suggest we contact Google and let them know how we feel.

Happy Memorial Day

410 Wyatt Junker  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:35:16am

Google is just another Palo Alto accident. There's no genius to any of them really except timing and luck. eBay was originally for trading Beanie Babies started by a husband to give his bored housewife something to do so he could fuck around on the golf course. Youtube was started by two douchebags who stole it from liveleak but used a better compression system. Hell, even Windows was parasitical incest stolen from Mac's OS.

The entire cult from Palo Alto; unoriginal upstarts, bored nerds, quasi-commies were all the product of gifted seed cash from angel investment. Now, they ride segways in their 100,000 sf cubicle farms and play grab ass.

In fact, being an entirely pixeled company means never having to deal with the public all that directly and thereby a certain insular ethos erodes their ability to try all that hard in order to retain relationships. Proof in point: ever have a Z shop with Amazon? They'll unplug you without any investigation whatsoever because they don't have to, they make so much money they truly don't give a shit. Have a complaint? Can't call anyone about it. You can try to email someone, but good luck at getting anything resolved. You either start over with another IP or die.

Most of these companies are pathetic mirror images of government jobs. They don't live in the real world simply because they don't have to. I'm sensing another bubble bursting relatively soon. Once businesses realize that Google isn't worth as much money they're actually giving it, but that one is in another few years as marketing starts to understand itself a bit better. Banner ads are already considered useless, disrespecting your money. Soon to follow? All the other shit like widgets and metatags as well.

Google > GIANT BUBBLE

You've been warned.

Divest yourself now.

411 freetoken  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:35:36am

Amazing arial footage of the damage in Iowa from the major cell there yesterday.

[Link: www.kcci.com...]

The pilot says he followed the path of destruction for over 40 miles!

A brief touching story at the start about Memorial day... about a farmer who had suffered the loss of his place but still planting a flag out in a field to celebrate.

412 uptight  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:38:34am

re: #409 quiglag

Google has a full list of all of their custom logo's, some for really stupid things, and they cant come up with a Memorial Day logo? I suggest we contact Google and let them know how we feel.

Happy Memorial Day

I'm sure they are flying their white flag at half mast, today

413 Psaturn  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:39:08am

re: #366 Killgore Trout

Sure, not that long ago people here would have been outraged for me linking to thins like this . Even our discussion about Mithra yesterday would have been unthinkable a year or two ago. Things have changed.

Yes there is a war against science...

I am afraid Biological science already lost due to being taken over by atheists...who think they have all the truth.

Take a look at what happened to Dr Sternberg, he is an evolutionist still, has questions about ID, but published the material anyway to promote discussion. But instead, he was interrogated about his religious beliefs, was called closet Bible thumper...etc.

If being a scientist and being religious is OK, then how come he was questioned about his religious belief? Why was he called closet Bible thumper? Know what I mean?

This is one reason I posted the Washington Post article published in 2005. I was asking if the article supported what the movie Expelled was saying about Dr. Sternberg.

Unnatural Selection has been done in the Biological Sciences for a while. There are not many theists in the Biological Sciences...it looks like they had been selected out. Dr Miller is one of the few exception...and interesting they wave the flag of his Catholicism...huh? How about Michael Behe? He is Catholic too !

The ideal thing is for science to rise above all "isms" whether atheism, agnosticism, Judaism, Christianism, Bhuddism, Mohamedanism...

But as human, we do carry "ism's" with us. That is why it is good to get a different viewpoint. When certain viewpoints are suppressed, then we got a problem.

Oh yes, one person claimed that if we did that, then we would have Spaghetti monsters and etc. I call this red herring...no one has seriously proposed spaghetti monsters.

However, science throughout history had many theists and Christians and believing Jews and they had no problem in advancing science. Note, believing God as the creator does not impede science at all.

The question is, can one use science to see God's fingerprint in creation?
Let's use CSI as an example. CSI uses science to catch murderers. No one has seen the murderer do his deed. But the murderer can leave his fingerprint behind and science can detect and find it and use the scientific testimony in court to indict the criminal, even though there were no human witnesses to the deed.

No human may have seen God actually doing the creation, the question is, can science indirectly see in His creation His fingerprints?

You may say this is outside the purview of science...why is that?

What if science eventually supports that there is a supranatural intelligence above humans, would then the atheists and agnostics have a big problem?

414 coquimbojoe  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:39:40am

re: #406 Shaky Louie

Yes, that's it. Thanks!

*redfaced*

Don't be redfaced at all. It is the left who isn't cognizant of their own cognitive dissonance. Cognizant implies awareness through personal experience, something which the left is incapable of.

Who said 'you cannot reason someone out of a position they weren't reasoned into'...?

415 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:40:42am
416 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:40:42am

re: #405 Desert Dog

I think that writer has the hate and the troops have the "love"...Love of country, honor and duty...things that CNN and the left in general do not understand

Once again a classic case of projection

417 coquimbojoe  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:41:19am

re: #410 Wyatt Junker

Google is just another Palo Alto accident. There's no genius to any of them really except timing and luck. eBay was originally for trading Beanie Babies started by a husband to give his bored housewife something to do so he could fuck around on the golf course. Youtube was started by two douchebags who stole it from liveleak but used a better compression system. Hell, even Windows was parasitical incest stolen from Mac's OS.

The entire cult from Palo Alto; unoriginal upstarts, bored nerds, quasi-commies were all the product of gifted seed cash from angel investment. Now, they ride segways in their 100,000 sf cubicle farms and play grab ass.

In fact, being an entirely pixeled company means never having to deal with the public all that directly and thereby a certain insular ethos erodes their ability to try all that hard in order to retain relationships. Proof in point: ever have a Z shop with Amazon? They'll unplug you without any investigation whatsoever because they don't have to, they make so much money they truly don't give a shit. Have a complaint? Can't call anyone about it. You can try to email someone, but good luck at getting anything resolved. You either start over with another IP or die.

Most of these companies are pathetic mirror images of government jobs. They don't live in the real world simply because they don't have to. I'm sensing another bubble bursting relatively soon. Once businesses realize that Google isn't worth as much money they're actually giving it, but that one is in another few years as marketing starts to understand itself a bit better. Banner ads are already considered useless, disrespecting your money. Soon to follow? All the other shit like widgets and metatags as well.

Google > GIANT BUBBLE

You've been warned.

Divest yourself now.

Born and raised in Palo Alto (And Portola Valley). We are very proud of HP PARC technology center and Mrs Fields cookies too.

418 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:41:43am
419 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:42:31am

re: #413 Psaturn

{Psaturn}

You're braver or at least more patiently rational, than I. I just avoid the debate,

420 df91103  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:43:13am

I winder if the Google offices are closed today?

421 wanumba  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:43:19am

Noticed how Google's obscene profits aren't on the Democrats' Sociali/Nationalize short list. Shouldn't they be? We can live without Google, but not without oil. But no one dragging in Google Execs to shake them by the necks and threaten them.

Bet Google makes beaucoups more profit margin than EXXON/Mobil. Hell, Britney Spears is still making obscene profits on just one old CD. SHe don't work and she makes money. If a carpenter can't get royalities o nthe resale of a table he's built, why should actors and actresses get royalities from one performance? TAX 'em! Isn't all of Hollywood's production LUXURY items? And the media empires - aren't all those glossy magazines that are nothing more than swishy gossip rags also luxury items?
Google wouldn't have ever been started in another nation. No way no how. And it's downright creepy how they want to control everyone's information.

422 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:43:50am

re: #413 Psaturn

I will sign up to fight the evil spaghetti hordes.


MMM Spaghetti

423 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:43:56am

re: #418 ploome hineni

and Cindy is younger and prettier than the batle axe johnfknkerry married for money

Who got her money from her first husband, not her own family or business success.

Not that there's anything wrong with that...

424 Kenneth  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:44:37am

Nail bomb suspect released from hospital as police raid home of Kurdish men 'linked' to plot

425 coquimbojoe  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:44:41am

re: #418 ploome hineni

and Cindy is younger and prettier than the batle axe johnfknkerry married for money

She doesn't seem to suffer the diarehhea of the mouth either, which in my book makes her a lot smarter. Teresa couldn't wait to tell us what to do, neither can Michelle O, nor Billy Jeff for that matter. I like quiet presidential spouses of whatever gender.

426 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:44:56am

re: #414 coquimbojoe

Speaking of all this, does anyone know where Cognitive Dissonance is? I haven't noticed him lately.

Of course I could search but google is evil

/

427 coquimbojoe  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:45:10am

re: #420 df91103

I winder if the Google offices are closed today?

I winder too.

;-)

428 Ma Sands  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:45:17am

re: #419 goddessoftheclassroom

Those hugs are an integral part of the debate! Never underestimate the power of a truly meant encouraging word. :)

429 uptight  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:45:24am

re: #229 NoSubmission

Anyone know why Drudge has has this photo of Cindy McCain up for the last few days for no apparent reason?

I would love to see a televised "candidate's wives debate".

Who would you rather have as First Lady? Cindy or Michelle?

430 zombie  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:45:31am

re: #420 df91103

I winder if the Google offices are closed today?

Nope. They never close. Open 24 hours a day, every day.

431 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:45:59am
432 Desert Dog  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:46:02am

re: #417 coquimbojoe

Buy low, sell high I would start selling soon...on paper, I think Google is worth more than EVERY Corporation on earth...or something like that...that price is higher than an Obama supporter and has to come down (and come down hard) one day...

433 ladycatnip  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:46:43am

#408 coquimbojoe

Drudge said As far as the 'camera' could see. I had to read it twice because I thought "fauxtography' immediately. He gave a nod to the pictures certainly being a set up.

...meaning no shots of the band off to the side? I wonder if the concert goers knew beforehand that the Obama people were going to use them for a fauxto-op?

434 J.D.  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:47:05am

re: #415 ploome hineni

Thanks!

435 Ma Sands  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:47:12am

re: #424 Kenneth

Well, they COULDA said in the headline that he was still in custody! You scared me for a minute there...


/ :)

436 MandyManners  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:47:33am

re: #404 NY Nana

I have a mesage for Google.

Teach'em young, Nana!

437 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:48:33am
438 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:48:37am
439 coquimbojoe  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:49:14am

re: #438 ploome hineni

Great point.

440 DownRightMeanAmerican  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:50:49am

O.T

In Memorial Day Weekend Commencement Address Obama Does Not Include Military Service as a Way to Serve Your Country.

[Link: www.blogsforjohnmccain.com...]

441 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:51:08am
442 coquimbojoe  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:52:05am

re: #441 ploome hineni

she didn;t even want to give up the HEINZ family name

lol

Cause it gave her more traction in society that Kerry did... is my guess.

443 J.D.  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:52:20am

re: #440 DownRightMeanAmerican

O.T

In Memorial Day Weekend Commencement Address Obama Does Not Include Military Service as a Way to Serve Your Country.

[Link: www.blogsforjohnmccain.com...]

Telling.

444 zombie  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:53:26am

re: #431 ploome hineni

It happens naturally, with humans.

Ever since the Industrial Revolution and urbanization, traditional "arranged marriages" -- which use to be standard practices in most societies -- have waned or disappeared, and as a result most young people can choose their own mates and spouses for the first time in history. The consequence is that humans have become much more attractive over the last 100 years, as "sexual selection" for beauty (instead of social standing) has been standard practice.

In short, to put it bluntly: attractive people now get most of the action, and as a result have more babies, who inherit their parents' tendency for attractiveness. Our looks-ist culture has real biological consequences: the human race is becoming more physically beautiful all the time.

Modern society has basically become like a self-organized breeding/eugenics program.

445 Desert Dog  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:53:43am

re: #442 coquimbojoe

Cause it gave her more traction in society that Kerry did... is my guess.

I am surprised Kerry did not take HER name! She's the one wearing the pants in that relationship

446 itellu3times  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:53:57am

re: #421 wanumba

Hell, Britney Spears is still making obscene profits on just one old CD. SHe don't work and she makes money. If a carpenter can't get royalities o nthe resale of a table he's built, why should actors and actresses get royalities from one performance? TAX 'em!

Welll, it's not quite the same deal. I mean, look at sports salaries. I like my roundball as well as the next guy, but to watch guys sitting on the bench (for good reason) and pocketing millions, doesn't sit well with moi. But the thing is, the money is there, and someone is going to get it, either the owners (studios) or the players (actors, singers). Might as well give a fair share to the guys on the line, such as it is, and not just to Mr. Steinbrenner and Dr. Jerry Buss.

447 bosforus  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:55:01am

8 threads on the dKos headlines and not one mention of Memorial Day. However, today is dKos' birthday, which is somehow more important, and the US is actually a dictatorship, which is news to me.

448 Desert Dog  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:55:06am

re: #444 zombie

It happens naturally, with humans.

Ever since the Industrial Revolution and urbanization, traditional "arranged marriages" -- which use to be standard practices in most societies -- have waned or disappeared, and as a result most young people can choose their own mates and spouses for the first time in history. The consequence is that humans have become much more attractive over the last 100 years, as "sexual selection" for beauty (instead of social standing) has been standard practice.

In short, to put it bluntly: attractive people now get most of the action, and as a result have more babies, who inherit their parents' tendency for attractiveness. Our looks-ist culture has real biological consequences: the human race is becoming more physically beautiful all the time.

Modern society has basically become like a self-organized breeding/eugenics program.

Humans split into two species?

449 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:55:55am

re: #410 Wyatt Junker

Google > GIANT BUBBLE

You've been warned.

Divest yourself now.

Um, Google has 70% of the search market, a $171 billion market cap, steady double digit EPS and sales growth, and zero debt.

It ain't going to fold anytime soon.

/stock looks to be forming a cup with low handle pattern, potential $602.55 buy point, although the market's currently in correction and there's better stocks out there anyway

450 rignerd  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:56:00am

Hey Charles, Thanks for posting the google banner. I stopped using them for anything since they refused to link to you as a news source. Seeing Zombies page with all the great banners that they refuse to use makes me glad I have not looked back. Some of them are a little light hearted but they are all reverent in my eyes. I noticed that they were able to come up with an appropriate banner for the 25th anniversary of TCP/IP, but they are unable to honor the vetrans who died for their freedom.

Greater love hath no man than he give up his life for his brother.

All I can say is thanks brothers in arms.

451 sparrowlake  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:56:08am

re: #354 Psaturn

You do? Wow!

With all due respect it is not that difficult to understand.
I have been here at LGF for 6 months.
In that time the debates concerning ID, evolution, and whether religion should be taught in public school science classrooms - have become steadily and increasingly fractious and nasty.
These debates have alienated many valuable anti-islamist allies.
The issue is whether such debates serve to further the war against Islamofascism and whether such debates enhance the coalition gathered here at LGF.
And if neither, then what is the purpose of having such debates here?
What is the purpose of fostering the spectacle of atheists and believers trading insults, questioning each others' intelligence, and ultimately resolving none of the major issues?
Is it anything more than an attitude of "Well, we're all here so let's have a good fight"? To be sure the discussions are often educational and entertaining, but all too often they degenerate into name-calling and result in fellow anti-Islamists becoming uncomfortable at these ever-increasing attacks upon their respective core values.
I am sure there are those who believe it is important to explore the ideas that divide us as well as the ideas that unite us.

452 offendi  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:56:11am

Inexcusable but understandable from the expansionist modern corporate mentality. Tech related companies look at the crap and attempted restrictions that Microsoft has experienced abroad because of its identification as an American company, and wish to appear de-nationalized in world markets. No doubt Google thinks the growth potential in China, India, etc. is greater than in the good old US of A, so let us not offend or make our Americanism an issue in these markets.

Memorial day is an American holiday in which we honor those who served and sacrificed themselves for our freedom. In two World Wars ( Europeans want to forget it about this, as the needy beggars for help they once were) and in Korea, Vietnam, and Iraq ( examples of our true imperialism in the unwashed sections of the globe), so this isn't exactly a win-win for Google.

However I do believe in a thing called "karma", and I hope a wonderful new Chinese company can do all they do and more, leading these schmucks to run to Congress for protection as an
"AMERICAN" company. Just one man's opinion, you understand.

453 Ma Sands  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:56:41am

re: #444 zombie

Interesting.

Thing is, though, that beauty is in the eye of the beholder...and back then, what existed actually was thought beautiful, to the beholders... :)

454 abolitionist  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:56:53am

re: #391 Mars Needs Neocons

Cognitive Dissonance

Something the left will begin to suffer when the true face of the Obamessiah reveals itself.

People, please read the linked article. The millions who will be voting for Obama (behavior) for no good reason whatsoever would be (according to the research studies) precisely those who would be much more likely to adjust fudge their beliefs (subsequently, to be more strongly in favor) than others who may do so for, shall we say, significant bribes of one sort or another.

455 SnakeSpit  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:57:28am

re: #413 Psaturn
Unnatural Selection has been done in the Biological Sciences for a while. There are not many theists in the Biological Sciences...it looks like they had been selected out.

Some of the biologists understand. I'll link part #4. There is a bit more info on this particular thing at the end of Part #3. This is the most mind blowing thing I have ever seen. Parts 1 thru 5 are available on U-Tube.

456 GGMac  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:58:03am

re: #382 Onslow

If Michelle Obama reads this she'll go postal

And the other one, as well: "Obama's women reveal his secret".

457 wolfie  Mon, May 26, 2008 11:59:43am

re: #388 WriterMom

Jeeez...I was wondering what the heck was happening on that thread. Thanks for the info. Glech.

I don't know what happened on that thread before I left it, WM.
I don't care to return to it to see new posts, nor do I care to review what I did see.
To the best of my (admittedly senile) recollection, Lee Pro either dinged KT down or said something disagreeing with him.
His response was "You can s*** my c***."
From then on people kept quoting it.
I just scrolled over it and then went to bed.

I suppose a lot of people dinged KT down for his post. (I did, for one.)

I really don't know if that's what KT means when he depicts himself as a holy martyr being ganged up on by the knuckle-draggers. Given his flare for the dramatic, maybe that's all it is.
But as I say, it could be something that happened long after I left.
I dunno.

458 DownRightMeanAmerican  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:01:14pm

re: #444 zombie

I have seen many ugly kids that had nice looking parents and vice versa.

459 zombie  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:02:10pm

re: #448 Desert Dog

Humans split into two species?

I saw that article when it first came out and laughed uproariously. The "scientist" making those predictions is a moron who doesn't even know how evolution works.

This section is particularly ludicrous:

Social skills, such as communicating and interacting with others, could be lost, along with emotions such as love, sympathy, trust and respect. People would become less able to care for others, or perform in teams.

Physically, they would start to appear more juvenile. Chins would recede, as a result of having to chew less on processed food.

Holy cow. This guy has a job at the London School of Economics and he believes in Lamarckism? What an idiot.

460 Desert Dog  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:03:12pm

re: #459 zombie

Holy cow. This guy has a job at the London School of Economics and he believes in Lamarckism? What an idiot.

maybe he's part of the lower branch and is jealous of guys like you and I - perfect examples of the higher species?

461 coquimbojoe  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:03:41pm

re: #458 DownRightMeanAmerican

I have a beautiful, um, relative, with good looking parents, but it seems she is growing an ugly soul. (Mean girls on TV are her role models). That kinda ugly is the worst.

462 yma o hyd  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:04:18pm

re: #458 DownRightMeanAmerican

I have seen many ugly kids that had nice looking parents and vice versa.

Heh.
Happens when parents have cosmetic surgery ... kids'll have it when they grow up ...

463 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:04:44pm
464 sparrowlake  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:05:06pm

re: #451 sparrowlake

...cont'd #451
And I personally believe that it actually enhances the anti-Islamist movement for its various members to explore eachothers' differences.
But when I see the level of some of the arguments here, I can't help but worry that there is a line of basic courtesy and camaraderie - a regard for a basic level of esprit de corps if you will, that is too often crossed.
Worrying rant end.

465 Desert Dog  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:05:21pm

re: #463 ploome hineni

people also select for compatibility, intelligence and status

whether it be economic or intellectual

not only physical size or beauty

men and women select differently as well...

466 wolfie  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:06:00pm

re: #457 wolfie

PIMF >I meant AFTER I left it!
Hey, I said I was senile.
And my garlic is mushy. Which is beside the point.

467 zombie  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:06:39pm

re: #458 DownRightMeanAmerican

I have seen many ugly kids that had nice looking parents and vice versa.

True. But we're talking averages, here. In general, kids tend to look like their parents. That's what the entire field of genetics is about.

468 yma o hyd  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:07:21pm

re: #461 coquimbojoe

I have a beautiful, um, relative, with good looking parents, but it seems she is growing an ugly soul. (Mean girls on TV are her role models). That kinda ugly is the worst.

'Tis true.
My granny used to tell us that until we were 20 years old, we had the face God gave us, but after age 20 every ugly thought one ever had would be forever etched in one's face ...

(Made us run to the mirror to check how ugly we already were!)

469 debutaunt  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:07:43pm

re: #366 Killgore Trout

Sure, not that long ago people here would have been outraged for me linking to thins like this . Even our discussion about Mithra yesterday would have been unthinkable a year or two ago. Things have changed.

Poor people are compelled to click on your links with the knowledge that they might be offended.

470 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:07:47pm

re: #464 sparrowlake

I agree. Plus I confess that my feelings are easily hurt. I don't mind, "I disagree with you," but "You're an idiot for thinking/believing that" stings.

These are not actual comments made to me; just examples.

471 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:08:04pm

re: #459 zombie

Holy cow. This guy has a job at the London School of Economics and he believes in Lamarckism? What an idiot.

Actually that article is pure liberalism masquerading as science. It's got class warfare, the overprivileged upper class, a downtrodden lower class, and the lower class is forever stuck in its place. This isn't science it's the democratic party platform.

472 BillLangston  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:08:18pm

re: #91 Racer X

To those who have given the ultimate sacrifice in service to this country - Thank You! We remember.

I will not be clicking any links to Google or Youtube today. Maybe tomorrow, but not today.

Most excellent idea Racer X, we should get the word out to everybody to do that next year too. If enough of us do that it will get their attention!

Let's remember to do it again and thanks for the great idea.

Semper Fi,
Bill

473 zombie  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:08:58pm

re: #463 ploome hineni

people also select for compatibility, intelligence and status

whether it be economic or intellectual

not only physical size or beauty

True. All those factors come into play. But now for the first time in recorded history physical beauty plays a much larger role than it used to. So it becomes an added factor.

474 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:08:59pm
475 Maximu§  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:09:01pm

Hi gang, I gotta hangover...:(

476 wolfie  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:09:12pm

re: #471 Mars Needs Neocons

Actually that article is pure liberalism masquerading as science. It's got class warfare, the overprivileged upper class, a downtrodden lower class, and the lower class is forever stuck in its place. This isn't science it's the democratic party platform.

I think you nailed it!

477 Ma Sands  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:10:28pm

re: #468 yma o hyd

Funny...my line has been honed down to merely the directive, "Unwrinkle your brow." ...my kids still know what it means, but my grandkids have no idea... :)

478 Reluctant Democrat  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:10:46pm

And the headline by Google on the home page is "Hate, Grief, Keep Soldiers Alive and Fighting." That's their interpretation of the CNN story and of the motivation of our all-volunteer military. No mention of patriotism or belief in the mission by Google.

War is so icky!

479 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:11:22pm
480 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:12:10pm

re: #475 Maximu§

Hi gang, I gotta hangover...:(

/you know, there's only one sure way to deal with that and lucky for you, today's a holiday

481 wolfie  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:13:07pm

re: #479 song_and_dance_man

HOPE !

482 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:13:27pm
483 offendi  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:13:39pm

re: #463 ploome hineni

people also select for compatibility, intelligence and status

whether it be economic or intellectual

not only physical size or beauty

My gym will be very disappointed, since they suggest it is based on quality of abs.

484 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:13:43pm
485 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:13:43pm

re: #479 song_and_dance_man

Please god let that be true.

Actually this may seem weird but looking at old pictures and current pictures and putting things together in my head I've come to a conclusion. Now keep in mind I've only been looking at women, sorry girls, but it seems as the races mingle more and more physical beauty is becoming more and more common (even without surgery). I can't believe the sheer number of women I've seen that are stunningly beautiful, and almost none have a single racial root, it's all combined.

486 DownRightMeanAmerican  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:13:59pm

re: #461 coquimbojoe

That sucks, I see a lot of them pretty on the outside, ugly on the inside types, I like being a jerk to them its something they never seem to have to deal with and its funny.

I know why they call it “plastic” surgery now, you look plastic when their done.

487 yma o hyd  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:14:19pm

re: #473 zombie

True. All those factors come into play. But now for the first time in recorded history physical beauty plays a much larger role than it used to. So it becomes an added factor.

Well - mass media in the last 80 years, with the images of 'stars' made available all over the world, and young girls doing their utmost to look like their favourite film star (nowadays it would be a super model), together with the availability and affordability of orthodontics and cosmetic surgery have a certain role to play in this perceived 'physical beauty'.

Oh - and lets not forget that the truly physically beautiful people still are few and far between, and do not tend to have ten children - that is still the domain of the so-called 'underclass', where availability plays a far greater role than physical beauty.
At least thats the evidence we can see daily here in the British Isles ...

488 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:14:34pm
489 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:14:50pm

re: #467 zombie

True. But we're talking averages, here. In general, kids tend to look like their parents. That's what the entire field of genetics is about.

/and if we somehow manage to pick up another pair of chromosomes, we'll be chimpanzees

490 Maximu§  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:14:56pm

re: #480 Killian Bundy

/you know, there's only one sure way to deal with that and lucky for you, today's a holiday


Well, I do still have that 12 pack chill'n in the refrigerator...hair-O-the-Dog that bit you huh?

491 SnakeSpit  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:15:54pm

re: #479 song_and_dance_man
So we can expect in a million years or so to see no Helen Thomas'?

Hopefully so. Maybe no more of these also:
[Link: www.usasurvival.org...]

492 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:16:13pm

Someone earlier mentioned that one of the bosses at google is a vet, I've just started thinking and I'm wondering about something.

Could Moonbatticus Ignoramus have some form of infective agent, like the mythological vampire. I mean look what happened to Newt after exposure to the subspecies Moonbatticus Ignoramus Pelosius. (Easily identifiable by its frozen rictus of a grin on a completely immobile face.)

493 zombie  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:16:26pm

re: #474 ploome hineni

we have become taller than the people of the 19th century

but we still have dwarfs and midgets

Actually, no, we don't have midgets any more. Midget syndrome is now cured in infancy and childhood with hormone treatments. You won't see any midgets under 70 years old, since the treatment is now standard practice and has been so for decades.

Dwarfism, however, is a genetic condition that can't be addressed in any way, so we still have dwarfs.

494 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:16:53pm

re: #490 Maximu§

Well, I do still have that 12 pack chill'n in the refrigerator...hair-O-the-Dog that bit you huh?

/the beer ain't gonna drink itself

495 Wyatt Junker  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:17:00pm

re: #449 Killian Bundy

Market cap is not the sole determiner for a company's future success(think Enron), but the business model is. And if the only thing Google has going for it is its brand name, that's pretty dodgy. All it would take is for another search engine to come up with as much trend if not more in its sails that Google had in its originally. And then, that house of cards comes tumbling down. Got Netscape?

Anyway, its just way to early to tell and its stock is fat. The advertising world online is ripe with mistakes and misplaced expectations. None of which are measurable, for good reason, since the ad world does not want to toot their own lame horn.

There's so much saturation with online marketing that pretty soon it will implode under its own clownish weight.

But, invest in it if you dare. That's the beauty of the stock market. You are free to lose as much money as you want.

496 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:17:22pm
497 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:17:24pm

re: #487 yma o hyd

Well - mass media in the last 80 years, with the images of 'stars' made available all over the world, and young girls doing their utmost to look like their favourite film star (nowadays it would be a super model), together with the availability and affordability of orthodontics and cosmetic surgery have a certain role to play in this perceived 'physical beauty'.

Oh - and lets not forget that the truly physically beautiful people still are few and far between, and do not tend to have ten children - that is still the domain of the so-called 'underclass', where availability plays a far greater role than physical beauty.
At least thats the evidence we can see daily here in the British Isles ...

When I went to church I was always amazed by the sheer number of beautiful women we had, and they almost all went on to have between 3 and 10 children.

498 yma o hyd  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:17:54pm

re: #477 Ma Sands

You try that on them, then - 'ugly thoughts' really do inscribe themselves on faces: any meanness, any false pride - they'll understand that fast enough!

Btw, oddly enough, scientists (ages ago, so no link, sorry) found that smiling needs more facial muscles than looking glum - and using more facial msucles increases the blood flow to the brain, thus transporting more nutrients and oxygen, thus making one cleverer ...
(And of course, one's skin will also look younger, teeheehee!)

499 coquimbojoe  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:19:02pm

re: #486 DownRightMeanAmerican

That sucks, I see a lot of them pretty on the outside, ugly on the inside types, I like being a jerk to them its something they never seem to have to deal with and its funny.

I know why they call it “plastic” surgery now, you look plastic when their done.

This child is a great mix of Chinese/European, probably will never need plastic surgery. She will be validated because of her looks. She was telling my kids how great Obama was, and found out that Mr. Coquimbojoe don't play that way. I had to hear through the family grapevine about how hurt she was that someone actually asked her some hard questions and challenged her. Fortunately my children see her for what she is and realize that they don't need her validation to be happy.

500 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:19:33pm
501 Yankee Division Son  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:19:54pm

I like the flag Charles..

502 Maximu§  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:19:58pm

re: #474 ploome hineni

but we still have dwarfs and midgets

You must be talk'n bout my in-laws...

503 offendi  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:20:04pm

re: #488 ploome hineni

certainly true in the first marriage
:D

I thought second marriages were the "trophy wife/husband" thing. At least with reality TV.

504 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:20:52pm
505 zombie  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:20:53pm

re: #485 Mars Needs Neocons

Please god let that be true.

Actually this may seem weird but looking at old pictures and current pictures and putting things together in my head I've come to a conclusion. Now keep in mind I've only been looking at women, sorry girls, but it seems as the races mingle more and more physical beauty is becoming more and more common (even without surgery). I can't believe the sheer number of women I've seen that are stunningly beautiful, and almost none have a single racial root, it's all combined.

That's another factor as well. Racial blending leads to people perceived to be extremely attractive by members of either original race. It's a touchy subject but it's been studied. Mixed-race women are inevitably rated as the most attractive by males of all races.

506 wolfie  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:21:56pm

Funny, funny thing. STRANGE, I mean.
The town up the road holds a small ecumenical service before civic Memorial Day festivities. Every year a different church & pastor hosts it.
This year it was held at the Church of the Brethren. Weird.
It was short...some prayers for the departed American service members and for their families, a beautiful anthem by the choir, and a hymn. Nothing about duty, sacrifice, the cause of freedom, or heroism...although the pastor did actually utter the word bravery (!)
In case anyone doesn't know, the CoB is pacifist.

STRANGE to come on line here and see that a pacifist church can honor the war dead much better than Kos.

507 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:22:12pm
508 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:22:36pm

re: #505 zombie

Oh, trust me, you don't have to be a member of either originating race. I'm as Caucasian as you can get, and I find black/asian to be absolutely stunning. A friend of mine is as black as coal and loves native american/hispanic.

509 yma o hyd  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:23:02pm

re: #497 Mars Needs Neocons

Thats lovely!
Mind - different countries do develop differently, here the 'beautiful' people hardly ever go to church, and they certainly don't have more than 2 children ...

510 Ma Sands  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:23:32pm

re: #498 yma o hyd

Yes...one detective-type comic strip had a story line eons ago, of a movie actress who had spent her life keeping her face smooth by showing no emotion...the starlet of the comic strip was talking with her about the actress' lovely face in her great age...and the movie star confessed that she'd give anything for the wrinkles if it meant she could have had a full, rich life...

511 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:24:33pm
512 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:24:47pm

Minorities, Race, and Genomics

DNA studies do not indicate that separate classifiable subspecies (races) exist within modern humans. While different genes for physical traits such as skin and hair color can be identified between individuals, no consistent patterns of genes across the human genome exist to distinguish one race from another. There also is no genetic basis for divisions of human ethnicity. People who have lived in the same geographic region for many generations may have some alleles in common, but no allele will be found in all members of one population and in no members of any other.

/science

513 wolfie  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:24:50pm

re: #485 Mars Needs Neocons

Same thing with males. The really handsome ones are often of mixed "roots."
Well, to my taste, I should say.

514 zombie  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:25:01pm

re: #508 Mars Needs Neocons

Oh, trust me, you don't have to be a member of either originating race. I'm as Caucasian as you can get, and I find black/asian to be absolutely stunning. A friend of mine is as black as coal and loves native american/hispanic.

Black/Asian is an amazing combination, true. And since Native Americans are (ultimately) Asian, Black/Native American as well.

515 Desert Dog  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:25:30pm

re: #508 Mars Needs Neocons

Oh, trust me, you don't have to be a member of either originating race. I'm as Caucasian as you can get, and I find black/asian to be absolutely stunning. A friend of mine is as black as coal and loves native american/hispanic.

Mrs. Desert Dog is a filipina beauty and I am a typical american white guy, a mix of just about every Northern and Western European country. Our children have turned out to be very handsome and pretty...luckily for them, they all got their Mom's looks!

516 Ma Sands  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:25:47pm

re: #504 song_and_dance_man

Though I never did, it could well have been me who said that, for I've seen it awfully often...they often are gorgeous! :)

517 clgood  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:26:06pm

Ask.com, which you should always use instead of Google, does the right thing.
Check them out today.

518 zombie  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:26:21pm

re: #512 Killian Bundy

Nice that again! Oy!

We've been around the mulberry bush too many times on that topic. We'll have to agree to disagree.

519 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:26:54pm

re: #512 Killian Bundy

Minorities, Race, and Genomics

/science

That basically just supports my idea. Common alleles create appearances that become too familiar. The eye prefers exotic.

I for one wish the Islamos would stop covering their women, because I saw some real stunners while I served there.

520 zombie  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:27:39pm

re: #518 zombie

Nice that again! Oy!


I meant to say, "Not that again!"

Makes more sense that way.

521 'Nam Grunt  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:28:29pm

OT: Sorry!

If Obama wears a lapel pin when he is addressing Vets (I call it pandering for votes), why the hell hasn't he been to Iraq or Afghanistan? Is he a sunni or shite or, methinks a traitor is a better description, and a POS! Whereas McCain is a regular with our Troops over there, shouldn't be hard who to pull the lever for come Nov. IMHO!

522 vagabond trader  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:28:38pm

The Obama is giving a very uncomfortable, very disingenuous Memorial Day speech. On Fox. Yecch, makes my skin crawl.

523 offendi  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:29:20pm

re: #507 ploome hineni

that is only for men with lotsa property

ordinary people marry the character and personality the second time, eschewing the boobs and mini skirts in the first marriage

Might you have a second career as a matchmaker? Just saying...

524 Yankee Division Son  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:29:43pm

re: #44 MandyManners

Ask.com.

Dogpile.com had a really good one up earlier today. Now, it's gone, replaced by this.

What gives, DOGPILE.COM?

Just went there, I like it..

525 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:29:54pm
526 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:29:55pm

re: #512 Killian Bundy

Minorities, Race, and Genomics

/science

You know, I'm not sure what is controversial about that particular bit. I for one don't believe we have any subspecies. Though a tv show from a few years back had the basic idea that serial killers were a predatory subspecies of the human race designed to help cull it.

527 Ma Sands  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:29:59pm

re: #521 'Nam Grunt

With your nic, anything you would say today could not be off topic. :)

528 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:30:03pm

re: #518 zombie

Nice that again! Oy!

We've been around the mulberry bush too many times on that topic. We'll have to agree to disagree.

You're not disagreeing with me.

/you're disagreeing with the Human Genome Project, but hey, feel free to cling to your old, tired beliefs

529 NY Nana  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:30:48pm

re: #436 MandyManners

If I tried to teach my 3 little grandchildren that? I would be fired! Nana Potty Mouth now bites her tongue til it bleeds! ;)

Sadly, the nearly 6 and the 8-year old will learn it all too fast from their classmates.

This is my favorite!

ducks and hides!

530 bosforus  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:30:49pm

Oh boy, I was about to comment on how I used to use Dogpile.com before the days of Google but then I went there a few seconds ago and saw their tribute to Memorial Day. Granted, their maintaining the dog theme, but it's still a bit questionable.

531 Psaturn  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:30:59pm

re: #377 zombie

Took me a while, but I just tracked it down.

Not sure what the point is. As far as I can figure, in 1991 a whacked-out feminist wrote a knuckleheaded anti-scientific article musing about the connection feminism and evolution? Ohhh-kay. Whatever. It seemed to be just her ridiculous opinions, nothing to do with actual scientific research.

There are all sorts of bozos in academia. You should see spome of the stuff they publish on a daily basis. Not sure what the relevance of this is.

The BIG point is this...

This kind of thing is published with no big stir in Academia...noticed that?

But wait till there is a mention of Judeo/Christian God ! GASP!

Or how about not even mentioning Him at all but just give a little hint, like ID, then we have a huge firestorm...

Notice the difference?

Do you understand why some theists are sensitive about it?

532 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:31:05pm

re: #522 vagabond trader

The Obama is giving a very uncomfortable, very disingenuous Memorial Day speech. On Fox. Yecch, makes my skin crawl.

You would think a better place for a guy like him to give a Memorial Day speech would Fantasy land in Orlando. Just saying.

533 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:31:26pm

naptime...see y'all later.

534 wolfie  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:32:21pm

re: #505 zombie

That's another factor as well. Racial blending leads to people perceived to be extremely attractive by members of either original race. It's a touchy subject but it's been studied. Mixed-race women are inevitably rated as the most attractive by males of all races.

Interesting. I wonder if it's been studied with males...I mean w/ females rating the attractiveness of males.
You might think we'd have some natural mechanism that would encourage out-breeding (?)

535 Desert Dog  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:32:38pm

re: #532 Nevergiveup

You would think a better place for a guy like him to give a Memorial Day speech would Fantasy land in Orlando. Just saying.

Or maybe at a Manure processing plant in Iowa - where is "all started"

536 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:32:40pm
537 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:32:44pm

re: #530 bosforus

Oh boy, I was about to comment on how I used to use Dogpile.com before the days of Google but then I went there a few seconds ago and saw their tribute to Memorial Day. Granted, their maintaining the dog theme, but it's still a bit questionable.

Why? I thought is was sweet. In organizations like that you tend to see yourself as your mascots as a group. It is the "dogs" of dogpile showing their respects. Hell on KOS the dogs would be pissing on a burning flag while shitting on the memory of our dead.

538 Psaturn  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:33:22pm

re: #419 goddessoftheclassroom

{Psaturn}

You're braver or at least more patiently rational, than I. I just avoid the debate,

Thank you!

Hugs back!

539 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:34:12pm

re: #534 wolfie

Interesting. I wonder if it's been studied with males...I mean w/ females rating the attractiveness of males.
You might think we'd have some natural mechanism that would encourage out-breeding (?)

Interesting idea. Our attraction to the exotic is promoting out breeding and expanding and improving the species. Works for both evolution and religion I would think.

540 DownRightMeanAmerican  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:34:13pm

re: #499 coquimbojoe

I remember some of the pretty girls from highschool and when you see them now, they are not so pretty, yet the ugly ones are now pretty, ironic.

The most beautiful woman I have ever seen, was my wife in her wedding dress, before I got drunk at the reception.

Beauty is only skin deep

But ugly goes clear to the bone.

Are women really better looking today, or is the makeup just that much better?

Ducks and runs.

541 Timbre  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:34:32pm

Go to "Google Help" and type in "Memorial Day" and you'll get nothing...which is how much the care about our honorable war casualties and a major American holiday.

542 bosforus  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:34:36pm

re: #537 Mars Needs Neocons

Why? I thought is was sweet. In organizations like that you tend to see yourself as your mascots as a group. It is the "dogs" of dogpile showing their respects. Hell on KOS the dogs would be pissing on a burning flag while shitting on the memory of our dead.

Yeah, that's true. It's not too bad I suppose, just struck me the wrong way at first glance.

543 gettinby  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:35:23pm

re: #485 Mars Needs Neocons

Please god let that be true.

Actually this may seem weird but looking at old pictures and current pictures and putting things together in my head I've come to a conclusion. Now keep in mind I've only been looking at women, sorry girls, but it seems as the races mingle more and more physical beauty is becoming more and more common (even without surgery). I can't believe the sheer number of women I've seen that are stunningly beautiful, and almost none have a single racial root, it's all combined.

I wonder how long it will be before Earth will have only 1 race?

544 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:35:48pm
545 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:35:56pm

re: #543 gettinby

I wonder how long it will be before Earth will have only 1 race?

Even if it does the libs will still play the race card and have more power in calling islam a race.

546 Nevergiveup  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:36:19pm

re: #542 bosforus

Yeah, that's true. It's not too bad I suppose, just struck me the wrong way at first glance.

I'm guessing all the pet people here got it right away and had no problem with it.

547 bosforus  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:37:49pm

re: #537 Mars Needs Neocons

The fear at Kos of saying something positive about Memorial Day being interpreted to mean that they love America is too great a risk to their ultimate goal of hating Republicans and getting Obama elected. It's rather sad. I'm sure there are plenty of Koslings that honor Memorial Day but are either too afraid to post a thread or realize that dKos just isn't the place to say you love America without tagging on something like "...and that's why it needs to pull a 180 and save us from Bush..." just to stay on Kos' good side.

548 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:38:11pm

re: #546 Nevergiveup

I'm guessing all the pet people here got it right away and had no problem with it.

Also keep in mind pets and soldiers are "always faithful"

549 bosforus  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:38:16pm

re: #546 Nevergiveup

I'm guessing all the pet people here got it right away and had no problem with it.

Excluding me, who is also a pet person.

550 NY Nana  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:39:02pm

re: #479 song_and_dance_man

You called? ;)

551 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:39:14pm

re: #547 bosforus

The fear at Kos of saying something positive about Memorial Day being interpreted to mean that they love America is too great a risk to their ultimate goal of hating Republicans and getting Obama elected. It's rather sad. I'm sure there are plenty of Koslings that honor Memorial Day but are either too afraid to post a thread or realize that dKos just isn't the place to say you love America without tagging on something like "...and that's why it needs to pull a 180 and save us from Bush..." just to stay on Kos' good side.

I used to think so, but after a rash of banning on all patriotic thought I think Markos has culled the herd to the point of only including the terminally insane.

552 yma o hyd  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:39:17pm

re: #534 wolfie

Interestingly, this is what happens in birds: female birds choose their males according to how beautiful they look.
Some zoologists researched this and stuck extra-long tailfeathers on male birds (whichw ere, of course totally useless!), and they got chosen significantly more often than those with sorter tails.
The reason for this is not fickle bird-headed female air-braininess, its much simpler: a beautiful bird can only be so beautiful because he has the smalles amount of parasites/diseases, thus is more fit than the less beautiful ones, who ahve to spend resources on keeping parasites/diseases at bay instead of making lovely feathers ...

So - out-breeding should be measured, definitely!

Oh - nomads in the paleolithic had sort of meeting places where they met other tribes, every three, four years, for just such an out-marrying (and trading, natch) ...

Perhaps we'ree all too inbred?

553 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:39:22pm

What "race" is Obambi?

/get it?

554 'Nam Grunt  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:39:34pm

Or for that matter I haven't seen a video of him at Walter Reed or Bethesda comforting our Brave Troops either, there ARE Brave African-American Troops on those wards as well, He is such a communist and liar *spit*!

555 Opilio  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:40:29pm

re: #537 Mars Needs Neocons

Why? I thought is was sweet. In organizations like that you tend to see yourself as your mascots as a group. It is the "dogs" of dogpile showing their respects. Hell on KOS the dogs would be pissing on a burning flag while shitting on the memory of our dead.


Yes, but the Dogpile flag only has 35 stars - an unmistakable reference to the brief period from 1863-1864 when the country contained 35 states (albeit with 13 then in rebellion). What could this mean? What message are they trying to send?

/end paranoid rant.

556 vagabond trader  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:40:38pm

re: #544 ploome hineni

Guess he felt obliged today,not fooling this old fool!Hilary or him placing the wreath at the Tomb of the Unknowns would be a sacrilege.

557 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:40:47pm

re: #553 Killian Bundy

What "race" is Obambi?

/get it?

/Tiger Woods anyone?

558 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:41:03pm
559 sparrowlake  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:41:14pm

re: #496 ploome hineni

after 48 or so, posts and there seems to be no apparent glimmer of insight
"You're an idiot for thinking/believing that"
is sometimes the only appropriate response
:)

LOL. But if you say that to someone in a serious religious debate you risk alienating the person. Why would you say that to someone with whom you have other important things in common (such as both being anti-islamists)?

560 gettinby  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:41:30pm

re: #545 Mars Needs Neocons

Even if it does the libs will still play the race card and have more power in calling islam a race.

LOL

They'll go for the blue-eyed vs. brown-eyed.

/Eeeek! They have eyes of blue...can't trust 'em!

561 yma o hyd  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:41:45pm

re: #540 DownRightMeanAmerican

Teeheehee - no need to run, make-up and skin care is certainly much better than twenty or thirty years ago!

And those who were 'ugly' in school have learned to make themselves look good, with much discipline. Those who always were pretty didn't do a thing - and lost it ...

562 nyc redneck  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:42:11pm

re: #382 Onslow

If Michelle Obama reads this she'll go postal

wow,
she did leave the corp. law firm that hired her, she was not partner material. she took more than a yr. to pass the illinois bar exam. and her college thesis makes clear she lacked the command of written english required for legal success.
that's why she's so mad. she's a hack and she blames america for her own failures and inability to make it in the real world. she is a very bitter, not so bright, american. (affirmative action can't make you smart, michelle)

563 GGMac  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:42:26pm

re: #420 df91103

I winder if the Google offices are closed today?


Good one!

564 NY Nana  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:43:30pm

re: #558 song_and_dance_man

LOL

Reminds me of the old joke. Where does virgin wool come from?

Ugly sheep.

;) Good one!

565 yma o hyd  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:43:59pm

re: #547 bosforus

Thats sad.
The internal mind-control is far worse than any outside censor can be - suppresses thoughts at the source ...

566 Psaturn  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:44:52pm

Ploomie! I see you changed the topic to the marriageable people...

Hmmm

And now we are to Obambi...

I stepped out to get my Weber Smoky Mountain smoker ready for a hickory smoked chicken !

567 bosforus  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:45:05pm

re: #551 Mars Needs Neocons

I used to think so, but after a rash of banning on all patriotic thought I think Markos has culled the herd to the point of only including the terminally insane.

Most likely. Kos blows. To put it bluntly.

568 abolitionist  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:45:24pm

Re dogpile, I've only seen the plain old page all day. No three dogs. Firefox here, but it looks about the same under IE6 or OffByOne.

569 DownRightMeanAmerican  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:45:40pm

re: #561 yma o hyd

Very true.

570 nyc redneck  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:46:20pm

re: #475 Maximu§

Hi gang, I gotta hangover...:(

eat a cheeseburger. that often helps. and drink a coke.
2 aspirins

571 bosforus  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:47:22pm

re: #568 abolitionist

It was the first one I saw when I got there. I went back and got a different one. Maybe refresh a few times before you get it. Looks like they're rotating a couple different images.

572 wolfie  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:47:45pm

re: #552 yma o hyd

Interesting stuff, isn't it?
We need a bit of xenophobia to protect our group from potential predators.
But we also need sufficient out-breeding to avoid mixing too many of those nasty recessive traits.
The balance (in both animals and humans) is fascinating.

573 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:47:50pm

re: #568 abolitionist

Re dogpile, I've only seen the plain old page all day. No three dogs. Firefox here, but it looks about the same under IE6 or OffByOne.

That's too bad it really is a beautiful image.

574 sparrowlake  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:48:28pm

re: #543 gettinby

I wonder how long it will be before Earth will have only 1 race?

You mean like the race to the bottom?

575 vagabond trader  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:48:30pm

To anyone angsting over physical appearance. Not to worry; by the time you're pulling up to retirement you'll either look like your spouse or pet.Or Rep Pelosi, with a bit of assist, God forbid!

576 Horndude  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:48:52pm

Google
Don't Be Evil American


hhmmm, guess I never noticed that before

577 yma o hyd  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:48:54pm

Btw - terribly OT, and I shouldn't boast, but finally I got that avatar thingie sorted!
So as I'll fiddle around with more photos, you'll get to see loadsa different ones in future.

578 vagabond trader  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:49:56pm

re: #577 yma o hyd

Cute pup!

579 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:50:04pm

Charles, just wondering here, is there going to be any way for a person to get a quick overview of their updings/downdings to kind of give themselves an idea of what people are thinking? If there already is, I guess I'm just missing it.

580 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:50:25pm

re: #576 Horndude

Google
Don't Be Evil American


hhmmm, guess I never noticed that before

?

581 bosforus  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:50:58pm

re: #577 yma o hyd

Btw - terribly OT, and I shouldn't boast, but finally I got that avatar thingie sorted!
So as I'll fiddle around with more photos, you'll get to see loadsa different ones in future.

Cute dog. Is that the "perked ear because you were trying to get it to look at the camera" look?

582 wolfie  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:51:28pm

re: #560 gettinby

LOL

They'll go for the blue-eyed vs. brown-eyed.

/Eeeek! They have eyes of blue...can't trust 'em!

Didn't Ahmadinejad already come out with some "blue-eyed devil" stuff? I think it was when he took those Brit sailors hostage. (I may be wrong about the occasion, but I do remember him doing the "blue-eyed" nasties schtick.)

583 yma o hyd  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:52:01pm

re: #572 wolfie

It is - and the way social animals deal with preventing incest are pretty harsh: young males are usually chucked out of the (mostly female) group and must wander alone until they can take over another, different group - after a brutal fight.

Sometimes that veneer of civilisation isn't all that bad ...

584 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:52:18pm
585 Desert Dog  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:52:23pm

re: #582 wolfie

Didn't Ahmadinejad already come out with some "blue-eyed devil" stuff? I think it was when he took those Brit sailors hostage. (I may be wrong about the occasion, but I do remember him doing the "blue-eyed" nasties schtick.)

yes, having blue eyes is almost as bad as being a demon-possessed midget

586 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:53:33pm
587 yma o hyd  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:53:38pm

re: #578 vagabond trader

He's my dear Big Dog, sadly died three months ago.
He was simply amazing - full of character ( read: stubborn!), but so gentle, and definitely too clever by half!

588 Ma Sands  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:54:26pm

re: #584 song_and_dance_man

Sigh...my request is on that same list... ):

589 wolfie  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:54:36pm

re: #566 Psaturn

Mr. Wolf is just about to fire up our Weber now.
But you realize by using our Smoky Mountain Webers we are only contributing to the dreadful "Appalachian problem" diagnosed at Kos-land?! :D

590 coquimbojoe  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:54:56pm

re: #586 song_and_dance_man

Too bad for the gay penguins. They haven't evolved enough to have a lobby and I doubt adoption is available.

Whaaa!?

591 'Nam Grunt  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:54:59pm
592 nyc redneck  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:55:01pm

re: #577 yma o hyd

Btw - terribly OT, and I shouldn't boast, but finally I got that avatar thingie sorted!
So as I'll fiddle around with more photos, you'll get to see loadsa different ones in future.

what a sweet puppy. i love border collies too.

593 vagabond trader  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:55:09pm

re: #587 yma o hyd

Oh, sorry to hear. To paraphrase C.S. Lewis, To love a pet is to know loss.

594 debutaunt  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:55:13pm

re: #585 Desert Dog

***slowly putting on dark sunglasses***

595 yma o hyd  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:55:57pm

re: #581 bosforus

No - thats his natural look: one ear up, one ear down, thats how he came to us from the dog trust.
Some Border Collies have their ears either both up, or both down - he's had the genes for each of them :-)

596 zombie  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:57:26pm

re: #553 Killian Bundy

What "race" is Obambi?

/get it?

This will absolutely be my last comment on this topic, since we've discussed it ad nauseam before:

The existence of mixed race individuals does not disprove the existence of unmixed racial groups in the first place. Similar to how to the mere fact that green exists does not mean that yellow and blue do not exist.

Pointing out one mixed-race person to me in no way means that everyone is mixed race and always has been.

Forensic geneticists can take a single drop of blood, and in a blind test, can tell you exactly what race/appearance the person who supplied that blood has.

The Human Genome Project is well-known to have a PC-dominated public-relations arm and they purposely use obfuscatory language so that racists can't cite their research to justify their bigotry.

You've bought into the modern leftist lie that to admit the self-evident (and genetically proven) fact that separate races/ethnicities exist also compels you to admit to a hierarchy of races. That is the furthest thing from the truth. The whole point behind Darwinian evolution is that no genus/species/sub-species/race/whatever can be said to be "better than" any other or "higher on the evolutionary scale" than any other, since Darwin disproved the old "ladder of evolution" model which had been one of the bases for scientific racism in earlier eras.

Races exist. But none are better or worse than any other. Just different. And due to globalization, probably over 50% of living humans are now mixed race anyway. And that percentage will only increase. (Which I see as a good thing.) It is not racist to admit the mere existence of races/ethnicities. It is racist to believe that there is a hierarchy of races. Which no sane person does.

You've been tricked into thinking that the admission of the self-evident fact of racial differences makes you into a racist. It doesn't.

597 vagabond trader  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:57:30pm

re: #589 wolfie

Don't know about that,but I'm fairly certain your carbon footprint would be frowned upon by the Goracle.Enjoy!

598 bosforus  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:58:01pm

re: #595 yma o hyd

Cute!

599 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:58:34pm
600 coquimbojoe  Mon, May 26, 2008 12:58:56pm

re: #598 bosforus

Hows Happy Valley today? Wish I were there fishing.

601 yma o hyd  Mon, May 26, 2008 1:00:02pm

re: #592 nyc redneck

He was brilliant!
He told teenie macho dogs how to behave properly, or else (never needed 'or else', but they all fled with tails between tehir legs, even a huge Irish Wolfhoud Pup!) and utterly lovely with traumatised dogs - he was the only dog quite a few of them let close enough to sniff.
Oh - and teenie bitches all fell in love with him! He couldn't care less, but it was soo sweet!

602 wolfie  Mon, May 26, 2008 1:00:30pm

re: #585 Desert Dog

Hell to the chief!
...the little, bitty, teeny-weeny chief!

603 coquimbojoe  Mon, May 26, 2008 1:00:30pm

re: #596 zombie

This will absolutely be my last comment on this topic, since we've discussed it ad nauseam before:

The existence of mixed race individuals does not disprove the existence of unmixed racial groups in the first place. Similar to how to the mere fact that green exists does not mean that yellow and blue do not exist.

Pointing out one mixed-race person to me in no way means that everyone is mixed race and always has been.

Forensic geneticists can take a single drop of blood, and in a blind test, can tell you exactly what race/appearance the person who supplied that blood has.

The Human Genome Project is well-known to have a PC-dominated public-relations arm and they purposely use obfuscatory language so that racists can't cite their research to justify their bigotry.

You've bought into the modern leftist lie that to admit the self-evident (and genetically proven) fact that separate races/ethnicities exist also compels you to admit to a hierarchy of races. That is the furthest thing from the truth. The whole point behind Darwinian evolution is that no genus/species/sub-species/race/whatever can be said to be "better than" any other or "higher on the evolutionary scale" than any other, since Darwin disproved the old "ladder of evolution" model which had been one of the bases for scientific racism in earlier eras.

Races exist. But none are better or worse than any other. Just different. And due to globalization, probably over 50% of living humans are now mixed race anyway. And that percentage will only increase. (Which I see as a good thing.) It is not racist to admit the mere existence of races/ethnicities. It is racist to believe that there is a hierarchy of races. Which no sane person does.

You've been tricked into thinking that the admission of the self-evident fact of racial differences makes you into a racist. It doesn't.

I like the post very much. If only all were as clear.

604 gettinby  Mon, May 26, 2008 1:00:32pm

re: #574 sparrowlake

You mean like the race to the bottom?

LOL

Seriously...it would be interesting to live long enough to see all of humankind as "raceless."

/to me, anyway. :)

605 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 1:00:47pm
606 coquimbojoe  Mon, May 26, 2008 1:01:27pm

re: #605 buzzsawmonkey

Moonbat Memorial Day image.

Sad. Pathetic.

607 Desert Dog  Mon, May 26, 2008 1:02:28pm

re: #605 buzzsawmonkey

That guy who made it seem pretty proud of his handiwork...I bet he is using to today to give thanks to all that have fallen while serving to protect his sorry ass...not

608 wolfie  Mon, May 26, 2008 1:02:41pm

re: #594 debutaunt

***slowly putting on dark sunglasses***

Given the sunglasses clue, I hope we can assume you are blue-eyed...
...as opposed to a demon-possessed midget!

609 bosforus  Mon, May 26, 2008 1:04:35pm

re: #600 coquimbojoe

Hows Happy Valley today? Wish I were there fishing.

Rain. Rain. And oh yeah, more rain. It was nice this morning though, gave me the chance to go to a nearby memorial cemetery (hard to visit a cremated grandpa). But I'm pretty sure it'll be raining on and off the entire day.

610 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 26, 2008 1:06:01pm

re: #596 zombie

Wow, cling away.

There also is no genetic basis for divisions of human ethnicity. People who have lived in the same geographic region for many generations may have some alleles in common, but no allele will be found in all members of one population and in no members of any other.

/not sure why that's so hard to comprehend

611 jcm  Mon, May 26, 2008 1:06:42pm

Another drive by...


Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free

-- Ronald Reagan

612 Ma Sands  Mon, May 26, 2008 1:07:42pm

re: #605 buzzsawmonkey

As that type of message usually tends to be, it is awfully ironic: is the creator of the image frantically clawing his way into the white stripe? does he know what that means? even if it were true that all our country's blood is being poured out...speaking of which, the portion that has and is being poured out is not given credit for his freedom to make up such an ungrateful image...etc.

613 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 26, 2008 1:07:53pm

re: #596 zombie

Okay.

/who is the archetypal "white" or "black", or "Asian" person?

614 yma o hyd  Mon, May 26, 2008 1:07:57pm

re: #599 buzzsawmonkey

They are very beautiful, and so true!
Thank you!

Now here is a story I was told, which is not just for dog lovers:

A man and his dog were walking along a road. The man was enjoying the scenery, when it suddenly occurred to him that he was dead. He remembered dying, and that the dog walking beside him had been dead for years. He wondered where the road was leading them. After a while, they came to a high, white stone wall along one side of the road. It looked like fine marble. At the top of a long hill, it was broken by a tall arch that glowed in the sunlight.

When he was standing before it he saw a magnificent gate in the arch that looked like mother-of-pearl, and the street that led to the gate looked like pure gold. He and the dog walked toward the gate, and as he got closer, he saw a man at a desk to one side
When he was close enough, he called out, 'Excuse me, where are we?'

'This is Heaven, sir,' the man answered.

'Wow! Would you happen to have some water?' the man asked.
'Of course, sir. Come right in, and I'll have some ice water brought right up.'
The man gestured, and the gate began to open.
'Can my friend,' gesturing toward his dog, 'come in, too?' the traveller asked.
'I'm sorry, sir, but we don't accept pets.'

The man thought a moment and then turned back toward the road and continued the way he had been going with his dog. After another long walk, and at the top of another long hill, he came to a dirt road leading through a farm gate that looked as if it had never been closed. There was no fence.
As he approached the gate, he saw a man inside, leaning against a tree and reading a book.

'Excuse me!' he called to the man. 'Do you have any water?'
'Yeah, sure, there's a pump over there, come on in.'
'How about my friend here?' the traveller gestured to the dog.
'There should be a bowl by the pump.'
They went through the gate, and sure enough, there was an old-fashioned hand pump with a bowl beside it. The traveller filled the water bowl and took a long drink himself, then he gave some to the dog. When they were full, he and the dog walked back toward the man who was standing by the tree.

'What do you call this place?' the traveler asked.
'This is Heaven,' he answered.
'Well, that's confusing,' the traveller said. 'The man down the road said that was Heaven, too.'
'Oh, you mean the place with the gold street and pearly gates? Nope. That's hell.'
'Doesn't it make you mad for them to use your name like that?'
'No, we're just happy that they screen out the folks who would leave their best friends behind.'

615 Ma Sands  Mon, May 26, 2008 1:09:48pm

re: #611 jcm

'Cept, if that day ever were to come, we wouldn't be allowed to tell such stories, even...

616 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 26, 2008 1:10:54pm

There are no human sub-species.

/period, end of discussion

617 Colonel Panik  Mon, May 26, 2008 1:11:34pm

re: #468 yma o hyd

'Tis true.
My granny used to tell us that until we were 20 years old, we had the face God gave us, but after age 20 every ugly thought one ever had would be forever etched in one's face ...

(Made us run to the mirror to check how ugly we already were!)

George Orwell once said that by the time a man is in his early 50's, he has the face that he deserves.

618 abolitionist  Mon, May 26, 2008 1:12:25pm

re: #573 Mars Needs Neocons

That's too bad it really is a beautiful image.

Ok, I see the special dogpile page now - 3dogs & flag. I commented out 66.150.2.101 w w w . d o g p i l e . c o m
in my hosts file (a speedup, to bypass DNS servers) and it subsequently shows. But the IP indicated by showIP is the same one that wasn't showing the dogs and flag. Checking, I re-enable that line in hosts, and I get the plain old 1-dog page again. Weird.

619 asshander  Mon, May 26, 2008 1:12:36pm

As someone said earlier...I'm all for not linking to youtube.

My google blocking hostfile entries are below and it probably needs updating. I got it from a website I can't recall at the moment, but easy enough to find by searching on the web using a responsible search engine/Company. (Note: Replace ww with [Link: www...] I changed it for readability):

127.0.0.1 pagead.googlesyndication.com
127.0.0.1 pagead2.googlesyndication.com #[Google AdWords]
127.0.0.1 adservices.google.com
127.0.0.1 ssl.google-analytics.com #[urchinTracker]
127.0.0.1 ww.google-analytics.com #[Google Analytics]
127.0.0.1 imageads.googleadservices.com #[Ewido.TrackingCookie.Googleadservices]
127.0.0.1 imageads1.googleadservices.com
127.0.0.1 imageads2.googleadservices.com
127.0.0.1 imageads3.googleadservices.com
127.0.0.1 imageads4.googleadservices.com
127.0.0.1 imageads5.googleadservices.com
127.0.0.1 imageads6.googleadservices.com
127.0.0.1 imageads7.googleadservices.com
127.0.0.1 imageads8.googleadservices.com
127.0.0.1 imageads9.googleadservices.com
127.0.0.1 partner.googleadservices.com
127.0.0.1 ww.googleadservices.com
127.0.0.1 ww.appliedsemantics.com
127.0.0.1 service.urchin.com #[Urchin Tracking Module]

620 maximoso  Mon, May 26, 2008 1:17:36pm

Come on guys - let's give Google a break here.

I mean

Islamic Holidays a must
Earth day - a must

What's so big aboud Memorial day... ::: rolling eyes :::

Seriously - Reminds me why I decided to do all my searches and web services through yahoo. Google is a last resource when needed - but from the liberal Corporates that play to the left - I'll direct my business for elsewhere.

621 sparrowlake  Mon, May 26, 2008 1:18:53pm

re: #614 yma o hyd

The possibility of being reunited with a beloved deceased pet is one of the best arguments I have ever heard for believing in the afterlife.

622 GGMac  Mon, May 26, 2008 1:19:22pm

Going back through the Google logo history:

-Nothing for Christmas, ever ("holidays")

-Easter in 2000 and 2001 - nothing since

-Memorial Day - never

-Flag Day - never

-George Washington's birthday - never

-Lincoln's birthday - never

-President's Day - never

-Veteran's Day - once, in 2007 (shock)

-Pearl Harbor Day - never

-Patriot's Day (9/11) - never

- Independence Day - yes, every year

-Martin Luther King Day - yes, since 2003

- Chinese New Year - yes (Google's employer)

- Persian New Year - yes, since 2004

- Earth Day - every year since 2001

- Many various bows to the Fwench, of course


Martin Luther King accomplished much, for many, in his only 36 years, so I've no kick about honor being paid to him - by Google, or by the country.

One aspect, though, which I can't fathom, and that is that his birthday is a national holiday. No other individual in the history of the United States of America is given this honor and respect - not George Washington, not Thomas Jefferson, not Benjamin Franklin, not John or Samuel Adams, not Abraham Lincoln. I must not have heard about whatever it was King accomplished which set him apart and above the founding fathers and Abraham Lincoln.

This Google anti-American behavior has got me in a really pissy frame of mind.

/rant off

623 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 1:20:20pm
624 Psaturn  Mon, May 26, 2008 1:23:18pm

re: #589 wolfie

Mr. Wolf is just about to fire up our Weber now.
But you realize by using our Smoky Mountain Webers we are only contributing to the dreadful "Appalachian problem" diagnosed at Kos-land?! :D

I am NOT even white!

625 Spiny Norman  Mon, May 26, 2008 1:24:09pm

re: #622 GGMacWaqshington's and Lincoln's birthdays used to be separate national holidays. They were combined into "Presidents Day" in 1968.

626 Psaturn  Mon, May 26, 2008 1:26:57pm

re: #596 zombie

You mean the Human Genome Project OBSFUCATED?

Gasp!

627 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 26, 2008 1:29:19pm

re: #626 Psaturn

You mean the Human Genome Project OBSFUCATED?

Gasp!

/thirteen years of international research and billions of dollars down the drain, apparently

628 zombie  Mon, May 26, 2008 1:29:41pm

re: #616 Killian Bundy

There are no human sub-species.

/period, end of discussion

I'll agree with you that.

Races are not sub-species. We are all homo sapiens sapiens.

99.99% of the genes are identical among members of different racial groups.

But that .01% difference does lead to a panoply of (mostly) surface/visual distinct ethnic groupings around the world. Yes, they are pretty trivial in a biological sense, but they exist. And those ethnic types can be generally grouped together into overall ethnic meta-categories, for which we have invented the term "race." Race in no way rises to the level of being the same thing as a subspecies, just local variations in appearance and (to a much lesser degree) body type.

As to your earlier request for photos of a prototypical Asian/white/black person -- I could post photos of each type, but decided against it. You don't need to see pictures to know that a Laotian looks different from a Norwegian looks different from a Cameroonian. Yes yes yes, as we've discussed many times before, at the geographical edges the racial groupings blend into each other, but as previously mentioned the blended types do not foreclude the unblended types.

Again, you seem to be afraid that to admit to the existence of 'race" you are somehow saying that different racial groups are "subspecies," which they are not and no one (sane) is saying they are.

Look, I fully admit that in earlier centuries racists and chauvinists used fallacious racial theories to promote all sorts of heinous ideologies and genocide and so on. And that the current trend to simply deny races exist at all is a (somewhat understandable) reaction to that horrible history. But, c'mon, let's just be honest here, and let the science and the facts speak for themselves. We can admit races exist (which 95% of people do, outside of academia and leftist enclaves) without going overboard.

629 Spiny Norman  Mon, May 26, 2008 1:30:07pm

Damnit! The "reply" function continues to hate me.

Again: re: #622 GGMac

One aspect, though, which I can't fathom, and that is that his birthday is a national holiday. No other individual in the history of the United States of America is given this honor and respect - not George Washington, not Thomas Jefferson, not Benjamin Franklin, not John or Samuel Adams, not Abraham Lincoln. I must not have heard about whatever it was King accomplished which set him apart and above the founding fathers and Abraham Lincoln.

This Google anti-American behavior has got me in a really pissy frame of mind.

/rant off

Washington's birthday used to be a national holiday and was changed to "Presidents Day" in 1968 to honor Lincoln, without having national holidays 10 days apart.

Until the very last decades of the 20th century, a national holiday for Lincoln would not have gone over well in the old South.

630 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 1:30:53pm
631 Psaturn  Mon, May 26, 2008 1:30:59pm

re: #628 zombie

I agree with you on that one, Zombie.

632 WayDownSouthInBama  Mon, May 26, 2008 1:34:26pm

Google was my Homepage for several years...until today. I have no use for any website that doesn't show respect for our Troops. There's no excuse for their lack of a logo except they do not want to show respect for our Troops. I don't care what they say. I said "goodbye". YaHooo!

633 Alouette  Mon, May 26, 2008 1:36:10pm

re: #196 Dirk Diggler

They had a Veteran's Day logo last year. It looks kind of like the Memorial Day logo that I designed last year for zombie.

634 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, May 26, 2008 1:36:15pm

re: #632 WayDownSouthInBama

Google was my Homepage for several years...until today. I have no use for any website that doesn't show respect for our Troops. There's no excuse for their lack of a logo except they do not want to show respect for our Troops. I don't care what they say. I said "goodbye". YaHooo!

I'm not quite sure what to do. Google ig gives me my quick overview of my favorite sites before work and has been indispensible in helping me check out what I think is important. My RSS ticker and such are just not quick enough. I love at a glance on my homepage. But, I also am fed up with googles crap.

635 Tamron  Mon, May 26, 2008 1:36:17pm

re: #596 zombie

It is not racist to admit the mere existence of races/ethnicities. It is racist to believe that there is a hierarchy of races. Which no sane person does.

Zombie, how DARE you infer that certain barbaric ethnicities are insane because of their superiority complex?

Tsk, tsk. Keep that up, son, and Allah might revoke your thinker. You're too dangerous to be running around free!
.

636 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 26, 2008 1:39:56pm

re: #628 zombie

I'll agree with you that.

Races are not sub-species. We are all homo sapiens sapiens.

Stop right there. Whatever else you call it, the differences from any one human to another aren't genetically significant. Feel free to otherwise categorize humans and their population or cultural clusters by skin color, eye color, hair type, nose shape, etc., if you must.

/however, "race" implies sub-species and that perpetuates wrong headed thinking

637 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 26, 2008 1:43:54pm

Persians and Siamese are both cats.

/they are not sub-species or races of cat

638 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 1:44:01pm
639 Dartmouth  Mon, May 26, 2008 1:44:30pm

SEND FEEDBACK TO YAHOO HERE!

Let 'em know you appreciate their recognition of Memorial Day.

640 debutaunt  Mon, May 26, 2008 1:48:40pm

re: #608 wolfie

Yes - blue eyes, like I could somehow control that.

641 Tim G.  Mon, May 26, 2008 1:59:11pm

The alternate logos are terrific...there is NO excuse!

642 sparrowlake  Mon, May 26, 2008 1:59:26pm

re: #630 ploome hineni

so what?
people see and react to the islamic issue for thir own preservation, not because they can connect to me

That is a rather one-dimensional view of how I believe most people interact. You might be surprised at how important it is to many people to "connect" with their allies (including you) - at least to the extent of trying not to alienate or harm them unnecessarily.
But then again, what the hell do I know?

643 GGMac  Mon, May 26, 2008 2:09:31pm

re: #629 Spiny Norman

Damnit! The "reply" function continues to hate me.

Again:


Washington's birthday used to be a national holiday and was changed to "Presidents Day" in 1968 to honor Lincoln, without having national holidays 10 days apart.

Until the very last decades of the 20th century, a national holiday for Lincoln would not have gone over well in the old South.

I remember when Washington's & Lincoln's birthdays were national holidays - schools, offices, and businesses were closed on those days when I was growing up - as were they on Federal election day, and Armistace (now Veteran's) Day - [and for that matter, Sunday's - but that's another story altogether].

We lived in South Carolina (Low Country) from 1986 - 1994. The then and historical consideration was no commemoration of Lincoln's birthday. They had, did, and likely still do have official holidays (school, offices, etc) on the birthdays of the South's Civil War heroes.

My point is that it was snarky of the Feds to throw Washington and Lincoln and their greatness under the bus by manufacturing "Presidents Day". They deserve better than to be clumped together - essentially sanctioned by the Fed as a 3-day sale event. President's Day basically goes by merely mentioned in passing, and the media - ah, yes, the media - token mention, if even that. Those two great men, whose accomplishments tower above most who've ever lived, are relegated to obscurity with the loss of "their" days. King, on the other hand, has 24/7 coverage. He - in having "his" own day, has been deemed the most important American ever - or so the perception.

As for the south and its historical lack of honor for Lincoln, he was President of the UNITED States of America, from which the south seceded. They lost the Civil War. Doesn't seem their opinion of whether Lincoln should be honored as an individual president by the United States' government should have carried any weight.

IMHO (not trying to pick a fight):)

644 Alouette  Mon, May 26, 2008 2:10:21pm

re: #444 zombie

It happens naturally, with humans.

Ever since the Industrial Revolution and urbanization, traditional "arranged marriages" -- which use to be standard practices in most societies -- have waned or disappeared, and as a result most young people can choose their own mates and spouses for the first time in history. The consequence is that humans have become much more attractive over the last 100 years, as "sexual selection" for beauty (instead of social standing) has been standard practice.

In short, to put it bluntly: attractive people now get most of the action, and as a result have more babies, who inherit their parents' tendency for attractiveness. Our looks-ist culture has real biological consequences: the human race is becoming more physically beautiful all the time.

Modern society has basically become like a self-organized breeding/eugenics program.

Go to any Wal-Mart, you will see plenty of ugly people and their ugly spawn.

645 ballantrae  Mon, May 26, 2008 2:13:47pm

Yahoo's logo is pretty sweet.

646 sparrowlake  Mon, May 26, 2008 2:17:38pm

re: #644 Alouette

Go to any Wal-Mart, you will see plenty of ugly people and their ugly spawn.

I am pretty sure that uggers have more babies.

647 jackjones  Mon, May 26, 2008 2:51:53pm

google exemplifies the evil, power-hungry global corporation. both Google and youtube both need to be boycotted!
Google, in china, makes a ton of money, while at the same time they rat out people to the chineese government. While they profit, people are locked up for life and even executed. You tube's refusal to take down all their pro-jihadi propaganda is reason enough to boycott them. They like to take down anti-jihad videos, but never the grusome pro-jihad snuff films.

A company like google really sickens me!

648 markie  Mon, May 26, 2008 2:51:55pm

Google doesn't have any valid excuses anymore.

It just isn't that difficult. Two poppy blooms and a flag atop a pole for the "L" would be sufficient and not be too much a downer, as well as preserving the original logo.

649 markie  Mon, May 26, 2008 2:55:48pm

re: #444 zombie

The really shallow beautiful people aren't reproducing as much. Too much impact on the figure, too much time away from having fun. Besides, how many times have two very plain people (the majority of us) gotten together and had some very beautiful children?

I get asked who is my daughter's father all the time.

650 RememberSekhmet?  Mon, May 26, 2008 2:59:06pm

re: #38 uncle_monkey

I posted this in an earlier thread - and as I said then, some of these latest ones don't appear particularly lighthearted.

Some are downright weird.

But, if you go back pre-9/11, they apparently knew how to do the stars and stripes.

They have had something for Persian New Year almost every year.

651 6pat6  Mon, May 26, 2008 3:06:48pm

re: #201 yma o hyd

He died a couple of years ago. The two I listed are all that is left.

652 pegcity  Mon, May 26, 2008 3:07:31pm

50th anniversary of the LEGO brick - January 28, 2008?

and no memorial day

What a bunch of america hating POS

653 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 26, 2008 3:09:11pm

Brace yourself.

Jenna offers Bush ranch for DeGeneres wedding

Picture this: Ellen DeGeneres and Portia DeRossi tying the knot at the Bush ranch in Crawford. Unlikely, right? Especially given President Bush's conservatism and the Texas constitutional ban on gay marriage.

But there was Jenna Bush Hager, the president's daughter, saying during a taping of The Ellen DeGeneres Show on Thursday that Ellen and Portia could, indeed, borrow the ranch for their nups, reports People.com.

/too old to spank

654 Globular Cluster  Mon, May 26, 2008 3:10:16pm

As of this writing, the Yahoo logo is no longer customized.

655 wanumba  Mon, May 26, 2008 3:17:36pm

re: #628 zombie

Look, I fully admit that in earlier centuries racists and chauvinists used fallacious racial theories to promote all sorts of heinous ideologies and genocide and so on. And that the current trend to simply deny races exist at all is a (somewhat understandable) reaction to that horrible history. But, c'mon, let's just be honest here, and let the science and the facts speak for themselves. We can admit races exist (which 95% of people do, outside of academia and leftist enclaves) without going overboard.


You just said something that you don't realise has tremendous religious and moral significance and here's why:
1. There is no concept of RACE in the Bible. Nearly 3000 years of the Hebrew scriptures, plus the Gospels, what is the New Testament, two thousand years of that. That's nearly 5000 years of writings that never describe people in terms of "race." No RACE. Nations, Tribes, families, yes. No race.
"Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all and in all." Colossians 3:11.

Paul used examples that his audience could relate to to understand his message. As the NIV points out," Someone who did not speak Greek was considered a barbarian (uneducated). Scythians (orginally from S. Russia) were known especially for their brutality and were considered by others to be little better than wild beasts."
The message is that Christ transcends all barriers and unites people. It was especially profound for the audience to be told that by their standards, the Scythians were animals, but they were people in God's eyes, fully capable of receiving God's grace, so society's standards were wrong. How does the Bible treat Africans? The Queen of Sheba, of Ethiopia was received with great honors by Solomon himself and her massive and spectacular trade expedition/diplomatic mission was a marvel of its time. Later, after the crucifixion, Philip is sent specifically to "an Ethiopian, an important official in charge of all the treasury of Candace, the Queen of Ethiopians. This man had gone to Jerusalem to worship and on his way home was sitting in his chariot reading the book of Isaiah the prophet." Acts 8:27. The Ethiopian, a black African by our flat and one dimensional nomenclature, received an unprecedented help as he struggled with a passage he was having trouble understanding. He left, praising God, "rejoicing." In those days, the Ethiopians were of the established grand civilizations and the Scythians were the brutal, animalistic people.
So, Christians are in no way "free to admit" that "races" exist, because the scriptures give zero support for looking at people through the lens of "race." The concept of "race" comes from elsewhere.

2. Elsewhere. Just where in history does the concept of "race" first appear? From where was it introduced? It certainly became useful in the mid-1800s for certain people with selfish agendas to argue to legally classify Africans as not "persons" in order to dodge the basic premises of the US Constitution. All they could do with the Bible was to say, "Look!the Bible says that people owned slaves." Taking a statement of the reality of the times to twist it as a justification to perpetuate it, when plenty of scripture talks about giving slaves opportunities to be free. "Do unto your neighbor as you would have him do unto you," totally negates promoting slavery. Who wants to be a slave? No one.
Trying to hold on to slavery via scripture was flimsy enough, but the argument for "racial" justifications absolutely came from another source.

To "admit to race" is to junk all the scriptures, which provide a dignity to all men and women. No, there is a beauty and grace and wisdom that would be lost if one were to accept "race" as having any validity whasoever.

656 Manster  Mon, May 26, 2008 3:23:10pm

Google. What a perfect name for those wastes of genetic material.

657 ladycatnip  Mon, May 26, 2008 3:30:22pm

#655 wanumba

...To "admit to race" is to junk all the scriptures, which provide a dignity to all men and women. No, there is a beauty and grace and wisdom that would be lost if one were to accept "race" as having any validity whatsoever.

Thank you for your entire post. Well reasoned and very thought provoking. And very true.

658 wanumba  Mon, May 26, 2008 3:47:28pm

re: #657 ladycatnip
{ladycatnip}
Be encouraged!

659 zombie  Mon, May 26, 2008 3:53:47pm

re: #655 wanumba

I don't look to the scriptures for scientific truths. All you said may be true, but that has no bearing on genetic reality. Airplanes aren't mentioned in the scriptures either, nor is the Pythagorean Theorum, opium, atomic bombs or the medulla oblongata. Are we to deny those exist as well?

You seem to be confirming my point that there is a general phobia associated with even admitting a fact that nearly everyone on Earth knows is true, for fear of being branded a racist, because of the mistaken corollary that race = hierarchy.

Consciousness of race and racial differences far, far pre-dates the 1800s; even the ancient Egyptians had awareness of races, as did the ancient Greeks, the Romans, ancient Asian cultures, and so on. Even isolated ethnic groups perceived explorers and newcomers as being of a different race.

Just because something isn't mentioned in the Bible doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And just because there are good intentions in the Bible doesn't mean that things not mentioned therein are thereby excluded from those intentions.

660 MuddlinThru  Mon, May 26, 2008 3:57:10pm

I quit (it what shall not be named) about a year ago. I let that fact out about 5 months ago. u saw how the stock recovered when they leaked the news that i'm 'coming back'. it ain't so.

dogpile

661 cincinnati_kid37  Mon, May 26, 2008 4:00:31pm

They sure don't seem to get it.

I don't release any of my money to YUM foods anymore because they fired the guy who has a conceal permit and saved his own life that would have otherwise been taken by some scum sucking pigs out to rob a pizza guy.

YUM foods gets my Michael J FUGNO seal of disapproval. Google is awfully close. They seem addicted to money eh? What do you end up with when your business model needs to please worthless naive punks.

662 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 26, 2008 4:10:18pm

"Races" are a genetically false concept.

/just sayin'

663 tex68  Mon, May 26, 2008 4:12:47pm

I would like to personally send out an email to all of my fellow Americans here at home and Lizards all across this Earth. May God Bless all of you (even those who may not believe) and may God protect you, especially whose who are in harms way, may God shed his light upon you and give you peace, Amen.

PS. to all of the fighting men and women...from and Older Texan...you are my hero's and I will always remember the great sacrifice you have made

664 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, May 26, 2008 4:14:40pm
665 tex68  Mon, May 26, 2008 4:18:47pm

re: #21 Oh no...Sand People!

Yahooo!

diitto.

666 rightymouse  Mon, May 26, 2008 4:41:46pm

Just got back after two days of being with family and friends, many of whom have served in the military.

We watched a parade yesterday that included all the living vets in our area. The parade route in the local town was packed for several miles. Parents brought their young children and in some cases, families had slept overnight on the parade route.

When the vets walked by, people stood and cheered.

As Sharmuta said so succintly about Google in post #1 here: "they don't care".

It's true. They don't.

667 Richard Romano  Mon, May 26, 2008 5:25:29pm
Marred by the inclusion of a loony left anti-war link

A pathetic anti-war organization that advocates for immediate withdrawal, which will bring more war -- but they are for peace?

668 glasscitygirl  Mon, May 26, 2008 5:31:46pm

Does anyone know how we can show our displeasure with Google?

669 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Mon, May 26, 2008 5:34:23pm

I do appreciate that Yahoo! at least let us know that they were thinking of Memorial Day by including dog tags and a purple heart, but the implication of that display is obvious, and Memorial Day is so much more about the sacrifice that all have been willing to take in order to defend the freedoms that our country represents.

Memorial Day is as much about those now living as those who sacrificed their lives for our country, because those lives were sacrificed for our lives, we the living, the ones that owe our eternal gratitude to those who gave everything for what we have and who we should be today. And so many more than just those that died feel a deep debt to their honor and untouchable valor, including those who served alongside those whose lives are now memory.

670 jackjones  Mon, May 26, 2008 5:37:27pm

re: #668 glasscitygirl

Does anyone know how we can show our displeasure with Google?

BOYCOTT!

671 glasscitygirl  Mon, May 26, 2008 5:41:36pm

yes, I have already adopted yahoo at home and sort of at work a few weeks ago. -- But I doubt Google has noticed. Anything else I can do?

672 wanumba  Mon, May 26, 2008 6:02:03pm

re: #659 zombie

I don't look to the scriptures for scientific truths. All you said may be true, but that has no bearing on genetic reality. Airplanes aren't mentioned in the scriptures either, nor is the Pythagorean Theorum, opium, atomic bombs or the medulla oblongata. Are we to deny those exist as well?
You seem to be confirming my point that there is a general phobia associated with even admitting a fact that nearly everyone on Earth knows is true, for fear of being branded a racist, because of the mistaken corollary that race = hierarchy.
Consciousness of race and racial differences far, far pre-dates the 1800s;... ancient Asian cultures, and so on. Even isolated ethnic groups perceived explorers and newcomers as being of a different race.
Just because something isn't mentioned in the Bible doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And just because there are good intentions in the Bible doesn't mean that things not mentioned therein are thereby excluded from those intentions.


We all know you rest your house so to speak on what you believe is a scientific worldview.
Christianity, you don't know much about, not much at all and too much of even that is heresay.
It's the worst fallacy to say since airplanes aren't mentioned in the Bible nor is the Pythagoreum Theorum, so therefore how does one deny race as a valid concept, for that isn't mentioned either?
The difference is profound, and this is why. There is NOTHING in the scriptures that forbids or hinders the reasoning that led to the theory and testing of flight, or Pythagorus's calculations, in fact, experimentation is welcomed in the scriptures. That's what it means by, "Go and subdue the Earth." Subdue means to tame. Can't tame if you can't figure out how things work. I've said on many occasions that Pagan cultures absolutely forbid experimentation - on the basis that spirits can be offended and become angry. I didn't really understand that at all until I lived a long time in heavily Pagan societies; they are very limiting in development of anything, & fearful of change.
Contrary to organized testing of how the world works, which has produced technology and indeed, modern medicine, which has given us all better lives, "race" is a definite concept that has profound effects in society. It isn't in the Bible, because that's not how God looks at people, and it's not how He wants people to relate to each other. It's a construct of man. You admitted that "race" is often used badly, even though you yourself think it's a benign scientific concept. In my lifetime, it's never been used for any good whatsoever. It was used to disgusting effect in the Dredd Scott Decision. The use of "race" has never been positive, & minor variations from isolation of a people from other peoples does not justify such a harsh categorization.
I've had an African Maragoli woman stop me from helping an African Turkana woman learn to read on the basis that, "The Turkana are not human." A white supremicist says, "they're BOTH an inferior race." A woman just wanted to learn to read. In the name of the "science of race" she was judged to be not worthy.
Phobia? How about a healthy wariness honed by raw experience?
"Race" is constantly used to determine hierarchy. What other purpose does it have? Why are some people obsessed with trying to categorize people by their physical appearance? Look today at how the KKK put "White" above all, especially "Black," and now the so-called Reverend Wright desires to put "Black" above all, especially "White." The Chinese laugh, because they know THEY are on top of the heap. Everyone says they're genetically smarter. Yeah. So the mathematically brilliant & smarter Chinese are HIKING in their army to a earthquake zone where the death toll is 60,000 & still climbing. A same earthquake in San Fransciso would have had maybe 2 dead, one from a heart attack, the other from a house that caught on fire.

673 wanumba  Mon, May 26, 2008 6:12:14pm

Google thinks the YouTube suit will impinge on internet freedoms. Chuzpah! Google wants our medical records, they even want to tell us all what to do, what to buy, how to live. And I didn't ask for that Google button on my taskbar, and my firewall pops up every now and then telling me the Google program is attempting an unauthorized access to the internet.
Creepy. Arrogant. Sneaky.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

674 Dreadnaught  Mon, May 26, 2008 6:28:48pm

Frankly, I think a search engine changing its logo isn't really a big deal compared to Americans having slowly changed a solemn day into a vacation day. Sure, some companies put up cutesy artwork, but is that even really the right approach? You can't blame some people (even Google) for being confused about whether this holiday is supposed to be lighthearted or quietly respectful.

Frankly, I blame the people who made/moved the holiday to the third Monday in May. Like MLK, Columbus and Presidents Day, the date placement guarantees that the day will become seen as a vacation day of unclear seriousness. Maybe if the holiday were moved to a weekday (but people still had no work), people wouldn't take extended vacations and instead would go out on the streets with parades honoring troops.

675 Dreadnaught  Mon, May 26, 2008 6:31:36pm

My apologies for the double post, but I just went and checked on an ad campaign I'm running with Google AdWords. The impressions for my ads were WAY down today. To be honest, I just don't think people are going online that much today. See my above post about connecting a serious memorial day to an early-summer weekend.

676 jackjones  Mon, May 26, 2008 6:41:36pm

re: #674 Dreadnaught

Frankly, I think a search engine changing its logo isn't really a big deal compared to Americans having slowly changed a solemn day into a vacation day. Sure, some companies put up cutesy artwork, but is that even really the right approach? You can't blame some people (even Google) for being confused about whether this holiday is supposed to be lighthearted or quietly respectful.

they will put up special artwork for the lego birthday...but they refuse to put some up on memorial day. What's wrong with this picture?

677 jopa416  Mon, May 26, 2008 6:45:10pm

In my position I help to steer advertising dollars to or from different media's. Google will never get the "Nod" from me...ever.

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from repercussions of that speech.

Enjoy your falling revenues Google !

678 jackjones  Mon, May 26, 2008 6:45:34pm

also...google has artwork for communist "mayday"...but they refuse to do memorial day? pathetic!

679 Barb42  Mon, May 26, 2008 7:02:15pm

I make a point of never using Google. I don't trust it and I will never give Google access to my medical records. As a matter of fact, I am not even sure about the last doctor who looked at them, let alone trust the great unknown Googleplasm.

680 wanumba  Mon, May 26, 2008 7:09:38pm

re: #675 Dreadnaught
Reread your posts twice and can't see why you got dinged down. Fair enough comment, not insulting, no bad words. And lumping holidays to make three day weekends has been ONE reason the holidays are not well observed. Lousy American History instruction is also to blame, perhaps also the reason Google Execs don't have much appreciation for the system that allowed them to get rich quick.

681 AllanTheRed  Mon, May 26, 2008 8:02:16pm

As of 30 minutes ago my computer is Google free. No Google Search, Google Earth, or Google applications. They will never notice; however, I feel much cleaner

682 Dreadnaught  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:25:29pm

re: #676 jackjones

they will put up special artwork for the lego birthday...but they refuse to put some up on memorial day. What's wrong with this picture?

Well, Legos seem to fit in their definition of "lighthearted". Check out their other logos for the year: [Link: www.google.com...]

It's clearly meant to be cute. But I kinda get the idea that they don't want to trivialize the day with a cute logo. I think recognition of the day would be nice, but I don't think this is a clear-cut "Google is a commie overlord, they hate America" situation. Which I know isn't what you're saying, but some of the comments here seem to be a bit off base on the subject. What I'm saying is: I agree that a recognition logo would be nice, but I think we're reading too much into their not having a logo.


re: #680 wanumba

Reread your posts twice and can't see why you got dinged down. Fair enough comment, not insulting, no bad words. And lumping holidays to make three day weekends has been ONE reason the holidays are not well observed. Lousy American History instruction is also to blame, perhaps also the reason Google Execs don't have much appreciation for the system that allowed them to get rich quick.

Thank you. I agree, I can't remember ever really discussing the meaning behind our major holidays in school. And I was an AP US student in high school and an American History major (with honors) in college. :-/ My dad used to make a habit of having me read the Gettysburg address every Thanksgiving (Lincoln gave the speech on November 19, 1863), but I think most Americans simply don't have a strong connection to the meaning behind our holidays.

Though I doubt the Google executives are America-haters. One of them is an immigrant whose family fled the USSR. They pay their taxes, they provide a service.. Maybe they're lefties, I don't know. Still makes 'em as American as anyone else. In the end, I imagine they didn't want to take a tradition of lighthearted logos and slap them on our troops. After all, I can't begin to describe how annoying/disrespectful Memorial Day car sale ads are. If we're talking about the need to take a holiday for our troops seriously, we should think about those kinds of ads too.

683 Gmac  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:26:13pm

I haven't used Google in over 4 years as they are diametrically opposed to my ideals. They can do what they want with their page but I'm not clicking it to see.

684 tum  Mon, May 26, 2008 9:53:59pm

Google had no problem designing one for ANZAC day

685 zombie  Tue, May 27, 2008 12:21:42am

re: #672 wanumba

Thanks for your comment. Everything in it confirms exactly what what I suspected. You simply don't like how the concept of race has been used by people. And you think (accurately) that it has been used badly. But nothing you say proves or even suggests that races don't in actuality exist: you just wish people would stop talking about it or thinking of others in those terms. As such, you are running the risk of suppressing demonstratable knowledge because it's too "dangerous."

The problem with this approach is that it really can become a slippery slope: once you start denying reality for political expediency, then knowledge suffers.

Look, I'm as far from a racist as you can possibly imagine. If you knew who I was and my story, you'd understand. And I know full well that throughout history, various ethnic groups have mistreated other ethnic groups either due to racism, or using racism as a justification. And I know that bad people are still trying to use racism to justify their idiotic agendas.

However, none of that is of any relevance to testable reality:

Give a top-notch DNA analyst a droplet of blood the size of a pinhead, and he or she can now tell you that the blood came from someone who is of European descent, or Asian descent, and so on, and can tell you that the person had light skin color or dark skin color; can tell you even the color of their eyes, the color of their hair, even the consistency of their hair; can tell you if the person is of mixed ethnic heritage and which ancestors were of which heritage; and on and on and on.

A forensic anthropologist can look at someone's skeleton and tell you what race they were.

A pharmacologist can design a drug that affects only people of certain races, but not others.

NONE of this has anything to do with culture, or society, or history, or bias. Leftist academics try to insist that race is nothing but a cultural construct, but the data simply proves them wrong. It's not just a cultural construct -- it's a testable and measurable scientific fact.

Does admitting this fact to be true give ammunition to racists? No. Because it's also a scientific fact that no race can be said to be better or superior or inferior to any other race. You can't measure "better." It's not a valid testable concept. That is where the cultural bias comes in.

Do you think you're going to somehow eliminate racism by denying the obvious fact that there are different racial groups? You won't. In fact, what you're suggesting will backfire. Since just about every single human on the planet knows without question, science or no science, that there are different races, it will only seem as if people in charge have something to hide if they start insisting that the self-evident is false. People will think: Why would you deny that? Is there some shameful secret that you're trying to suppress?

No, the right thing to do is teach the bald truth all the way down the line: Admit that races exist, and also admit that there is no hierarchy of races. Only by hewing to the truth can racism be eliminated.

Once again, I understand the motivation of people who want to suppress this knowledge for the good of mankind, I just think it will have terrible unintended consequences.

Imagine for a moment a world where tall people have for centuries oppressed short people simply because they're short. And then a new government takes power, and in order to stop the oppression, issues a decree that everyone is actually the same height. Will that stop the oppression? No. Because people can see with their own eyes that people aren't all the same height. Simply telling them that it's so doesn't make it so, nor does it make anyone believe the lie. Whether or not it's a thought-crime to perceive height differences, people will perceive them nonetheless. Instead, the cure to the problem is to admit tallness and shortness exist, but teach that they are both good.

686 Diamond Bullet  Tue, May 27, 2008 6:08:25am

Last week Google changed its icon to memorialize the 125th birthday of the founder of the Bauhaus school of design.

Can you GET any more obscure? 125th birthday, are you kidding me?

Memorial Day? nothing.

687 MacBoy  Tue, May 27, 2008 1:45:12pm

Their excuses don't hold water. They produced special logos for Remembrance Day (UK & Commonwealth) in '06 and '07 and have beed doing so for years (at least back to 2002 as i recall). So why the lies? Was this somehow less 'reverential'?

:shame on them:

688 see bs  Tue, May 27, 2008 1:54:24pm

Google bends over backwards for communists, yet can't acknowledge the brave men and women who allowed them the freedom to create their company.
Quite sad

689 wanumba  Tue, May 27, 2008 7:18:43pm

re: #685 zombie
zombie, I do really appreciate that you do read carefully and are quite a good sport when it comes to debates.
The deeper understanding is this, IF the scriptures have no support for "race," then for that basis of the nature of man to be true, it must also be consistent through society AND genetics. The discoveries in genetics are interpreted through the world view of the scientists themselves. Sometimes they are right, sometimes they are wrong, and sometimes they are horrifically wrong. "Race" is one of those grey areas, in which genetics can be argued to support it or not support it. There are fewer variations between people than between a Great Dane and a chihuahua, whcih are both dogs, but sculpted by selective breeding that can only enhance or minimize certain characteristics.
Genetics as a science has been frought with conflicting hypotheses, worse it has been a battlefield where politics and ideologies have steered and colored HOW the discoveries in the realm of genetics have been interpreted. One of the worst, and most devastating was in the Soviet Union under Lysenko.
Genetics, as with all science is never left alone; it is constantly used to justify positions. The search for the "gay" gene or a "criminal" gene are endeavours which have dishonestly misused funds meant for other research, redirected to provide "data" to support "progressive" ideas.
A "criminal gene" isn't about real science, but a sneaky moral and societal position about not holding people accountable for their actions.
So, after several decades of watching genetics as a field be yanked back and forth, with grand statements that later are proved false, I have plenty of reason to be less than impressed with what's going on. Therefore, the discoveries in genetics can tell us a lot about the information that is contained in our genes, and there's plenty more to learn BUT it has not truly provided a basis for the concept of "race."
And science can be as cruel and despicable as it comes. What purpose does it serve to try to mix human DNA with animal DNA? The Bible says "there's nothing new under the sun." With all our technology, are we only now back to the threshold of the Greek myths of the Harpies or the Sphinx, the Minotaur and the Centaurs?
What happens on the day a human spirit is born into a monster's body? The common characteristic of the human/beast melanges was rage and hatred of men.
Can we guess why? Being born as an experiment conducted by a scientist who was more enthralled with his ego than using science to help people? Freaks, not by accident, but by human design, and freakish beyond any known measure. Yet, people who claim to be scientists are just itching to try it, damn the consequences, which they of course won't have to endure, just their hideous offspring or the women who've been bamboozled into carrying freaks to birth, their bodies rejecting the amalgamated tissue developing inside them. Just review the results for the bison/cattle cross-breeding to get an idea.
There's a lot to ponder and be concerned about. Science is a wonderful endeavor, but always with a clear eye and an understanding that egos and politics influence it as profoundly as any other field.

690 wanumba  Tue, May 27, 2008 7:26:33pm

May I ask that when you write your science fiction masterpiece of 2050 The Centaur Wars, to remember ol' wanumba who gave ya'll the idea but was too lazy to write the book meself. A simple dedication nod would be sufficient.


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