OK, Windows, sucks. Let's just admit it.

I’ve also been Ajaxifying the administration back end

This Administration needs its back end Ajaxified.

s&d: We tied exactly on that one! Precise same timestamp.

What's an Internet Explorer?

Oh, wait... I think I used that once... about 10 years ago.

re: #2 zombie

OK, Windows, sucks. Let's just admit it.

You are correct - The Doors are a lot better!

And by the way, I’ve also been Ajaxifying the administration back end, and not to blow my own trumpet or anything but it’s getting really really cool. I can now edit any front page entry in place, set its options (comments on/off, spinoff link auto-open, Digg JS link, etc.), title, tags, and more without ever reloading the page.

If you ever want to retire, you could market a template-ized version of the LGF blog engine, to corporations and media sites. You could make a pretty penny indeed.

re: #1 song_and_dance_man

I must have an appropriate 70's song for this thread.

No more William Shatner.
I'll talk.
I'll tell you whatever you want to know!
Please, just not that.

Can somebody tell me what the heck "Digg" is? And the same with "del.icio.us".

re: #7 zombie

I was thinking the same thing. Much better and slicker than blogger or Wordpress.

Can I make a non-technical comment (why yes of course I can). I had a great day today. I got to psychologically torment someone who was a total jerkoff at work. Such fun.

Years ago, a colleague and I jokingly decided to create a Windows-like OS that actually worked. We were talking about Paneless and another "programmer" on the team actually freaked out, unable to believe that an OS other than Windows existed. And he was the one who conned management into thinking he knew what he was doing. Quiting that job was one of the happiest days of my life.

re: #9 Intrepid

Can somebody tell me what the heck "Digg" is? And the same with "del.icio.us".

Digg is a social netrworking site where people recommend links to each other and then vote them up or down. It's infested by moonbats.

de.lic.ious I have no clue.

IE gets cranky for any reason.
I've been having some flash 9 script errors that literally brings it to its knees.

I can hardly wait to see what they have in store with IE8!

re: #9 Intrepid

They're sites where people post and vote on links and stories. They're like the spinoffs.

re: #7 zombie

Charles can't retire! We would have no life without LFG.

re: #1 song_and_dance_man

I must have an appropriate 70's song for this thread.

I had to eave the 70's Song thread.Was there a winner for worst song?
I have two more nominations. They may actually be late 60's, but very worthy of bad song awards at any time,
'Reach Out In The Darkness" Friend & Lover,
"IN The Year 2525" Zager & Evans

Since getting vista, I've been lucky ... I just had my first browser crash, but it didn't crash, just restarted and said I needed flash v 9...

But I want the "majesty". lol

digg: social nut-work on the web

re: #13 zombie

Digg is a social netrworking site where people recommend links to each other and then vote them up or down. It's infested by moonbats.

de.lic.ious I have no clue.

de.lic.ious = 17% fewer moonbats.

I hope this will convince some IE users to switch to another browser, because I think the new features rock. You IEers are missing out.

re: #16 WriterMom

Charles can't retire! We would have no life without LFG.

Oh, so true--and far fewer friends.

re: #18 Thanos

Since getting vista, I've been lucky ... I just had my first browser crash, but it didn't crash, just restarted and said I needed flash v 9...

My Vista has never crashed. But I upgraded to 2 gigs of RAM before I even fired it up.

Charles, you're a good man for trying to make things work in IE. I suppose.

But why on earth would anybody use IE? When I installed Windows on my mac (via Parallels) the first and last thing I did with IE was to download Firefox. This was at the suggestion of a Windows IT guy at work.

Actually, he said that beyond downloading Firefox I should only use IE for manually running software updates. Seems that Micro$oft depends on some bugs features in IE to make those work.

re: #23 song_and_dance_man

OK- your "hocus pocus" made me think of Abracadabra.

re: #22 Sharmuta

I am one of those who tried Firefox because of LFG. : - )

you can still breathe in the majesty

Rotating title!

ack - LGF pimf

re: #26 DesertSage

My Vista has never crashed. But I upgraded to 2 gigs of RAM before I even fired it up.

Hey stalker.

/where you going with that gun in your hand

re: #14 uncle_monkey

IE gets cranky for any reason.
I've been having some flash 9 script errors that literally brings it to its knees.

I can hardly wait to see what they have in store with IE8!

Flash is another problem; it breaks Safari and Firefox as well. Good thing NoScript can keep Flush scripts from running.
Adobe software. Do you know the Flash server (used to serve Flash videos) creates a new copy of itself every 20 minutes to 2 hours, and then the old one goes away when all the connections are gone. This is because it will run out of memory or otherwise crash after a while Whereas Windows Media Server actually is quite reliable.

re: #29 seekeroftruth

Firefox is all that's ever run on my computer. The one time I had to open IE to deal with something- I was pissed.

re: #25 song_and_dance_man

I have many winners, but I didn't post the lucky losers.

Ok,I have been holding back. I don't want to disturb any body's sleep, but I really think that I have it.
Worst 70's Song..Ta Da!
'You light up my life" Debbie Boone

So the features still work in IE, they’re just not as majestic. This is called “degrading gracefully.” If you use Firefox, Safari, or any other browser, you can still breathe in the majesty.

LOL! :)

re: #27 clgood

Only reason I use Internet Exploder is that work won't let me upgrade to a better browser.

/home it's either Firefox, or Opera.

re: #23 song_and_dance_man

Oh the 70's and the absence of the internet for most.

Actually I remember the Internet from the 70's. It was still called ARPANET and connected a few mainframes at major universities and government research sites.

re: #27 clgood

Unfortunately, where I work, the enterprise management software (that includes various time-reporting and other accounting features), SAP implementation requires that we use IE. They coded for Msoft's bugs and also did so for some of the other enterprise software like our web-based travel expense system. Oh, and only IE6, apparently Msoft added new bugs in IE7 that even our enterprise people have not yet figured out how to exploit and that break the existing software. The good news is that FireFox has a plug-in that runs these applications under IE in FireFox tabs. So, I'm running Firefox with IE tabs when needed. At work

Linux doesn't do IE. Sometimes that's good, and sometimes that's bad depending on the web site one is trying to view.

two months ago I was having lots of problems with IE on LGF so I tried firefox out--it worked a lot better but when I try to go to a link posted it says I need some kind of plug in and when I try to download them--it fails so If I want to be able to listen to any songs or any links posted I have to use IE--If I just want to read and everything run smoothly I have to use firefox---what is a person to do?---I just switch back and forth---LOL!

re: #35 opnion

Oh my yes. I remember growing up one of the AM radio stations had a contest in which listeners were supposed to guess which song would be played the most in a certain period of time and the number of times it would be played. Yep, Debbie Boone, "You Light Up My Life". I can still here the winner's vocal entry and her somewhat interesting accent, (Can't do it justice in type), but, "Debbie Boonnn, Yooou Light up My Liffe" was kind of how it sounded.

/too bad, it was a nice song -- just not so nice after the 12,555'th time we heard it!

re: #41 Inquisitive

two months ago I was having lots of problems with IE on LGF so I tried firefox out--it worked a lot better but when I try to go to a link posted it says I need some kind of plug in and when I try to download them--it fails so If I want to be able to listen to any songs or any links posted I have to use IE--If I just want to read and everything run smoothly I have to use firefox---what is a person to do?---I just switch back and forth---LOL!

Have you checked out the add-ons for FF? There might be something to help ya. Also, go to Tools and then to Options then Content - that's where you can set how certain file types are handled by FF.

re: #28 Sharmuta

I liked that one. There was another similar song at the same time, it got more play time, but I liked this one.

re: #43 tedzilla99

Have you checked out the add-ons for FF? There might be something to help ya. Also, go to Tools and then to Options then Content - that's where you can set how certain file types are handled by FF.

Thanks will try that out---not fun switching back and forth.

#42
PIMF, "I can still hear", not "can still here"

/don't want the grammar police to hurt me

Another by Sweet

Who cares. No one uses IE anymore.

Versions 6 and 7 of Internet Explorer have bugs that prevent our new comment reporting and user profile features from working correctly... In our comments threads, we seem to hit the limit at around 200 comments. At that point, the background turns black instead of graying out, and I’ve even had IE6 crash on some longer threads.

I have used firefox and ie6. Odd, I have never experienced black backgrounds or crashes on threads with over 1000 comments – using ie6. I’m currently using ie6 (2900 series) on and the os is 5.1.2900. As other posters have noted ie6 - 7 is mandatory for some programs and sites – so I gotta use it.

Charles -

Friends DO NOT let friends use IE unless absolutely necessary. And Bone to Pick with FireFox3.

Speed - Wickedly Fast

Compatibility With Old Add-Ons - NOT SO GOOD - like NO PLUG-IN FOR WINDOWS MEDIA 11, Not Compatible with "Foxy-Tunes." This is LAME!

Glad I left FireFox 2 in the machine for as required usage.

-S-

I'll never understand why the world tolerates MS, and everyone just doesn't go to Mac.

I work with both, and there's a world of difference. Is it because people can't admit they just spent $1000 on an un-intuitive, malware riddled, piece of PC garbage?

re: #49 Ledger1

I think Charles was talking about those problems popping up in IE with the new user profile/reporting JS popups, not in general browsing in the threads.

re: #51 Mazeman

I'll never understand why the world tolerates MS, and everyone just doesn't go to Mac.

I work with both, and there's a world of difference. Is it because people can't admit they just spent $1000 on an un-intuitive, malware riddled, piece of PC garbage?

Ahh, you sound like a rabid Apple fanatic...the problem with your type is that you tend to look down your nose on those who use Windows (either by choice or not) and ignore any shortcomings with anything coming out of Cupertino. My general view on PC vs. Mac is use what you like and what you need it for. Some people need or want a Windows PC for things they do, likewise with Macs, people who run Linux, etc. Personally, while I love my iPod and covet the upcoming 3G iPhone, I wouldn't buy a Mac if you paid me, because I like to tinker my machine, hardware and software.

For the record, I triple-boot Vista Ultimate, XP Pro, and Mandriva Linux...and I like it ;)

re: #48 ottawa mike

Wanna bet? ;) So sue me; I do...IE7

re: #48 ottawa mike
I use IE7. It works well for what I need it to do. Its just a tool.

IE 7 works on reporting, on the spinoffs with the options.

Do Safari and Firefox use some of the same code/engine/whatever? Just wondering. They seem to have some similarities.

talon: speaking as a Mac-using Windows and Linux sysadmin, who spent 3-4 hours yesterday trying to clean up the mess IE had managed to get itself into on the company Chairman's home PC over the weekend (two days after I spent the same amount of time scraping the viruses etc off it), the trouble is that the Mac fanatics do have a valid point: it infuriates me that people tolerate junk like IE. I'm not saying Safari's perfect (I've had it crash on me quite a few times as well), but it and Firefox are so far ahead of IE it's ridiculous to have to cripple websites and systems to hack around MS's bugs and insecurities.

Uncle Joe: It's not that they share code — Safari is based on the open-source WebKit engine, Firefox on Mozilla's Gecko engine — but that they actually make an effort to implement standards, which makes them a lot like every other browser and very different from IE. I can write a standards-compliant web page and test it on 50 different browsers, and in almost every case the only anomalies will be on IE due to Microsoft failing to implement the standards properly.

Charles: Just creating the IFRAME the size of the viewport, rather than the full size of the page, should get around this particular bug. I know, we all hate the idea of putting in hacks specific to one browser's defects, but this looks like just another case where we have to clean up after MS.

(Then again, perhaps if more websites go this route, giving IE users an inferior experience *and telling them about it* these bugs will become extinct sooner...)

I hates IE.

What? Microsoft released something and it ends up being a DOWNGRADE?

Doesn't that happen every time? ?

re: #60 astronmr20

What? Microsoft released something and it ends up being a DOWNGRADE?

Doesn't that happen every time? ?

Well, IE7 did fix some of the most glaring and irritating bugs of IE6, and apparently IE8 actually makes an effort to comply with standards instead of ignoring them completely to impose their own agenda, so for the last two versions it has actually been moving in the right direction. Still a huge amount of distance to cover to catch up with the modern browsers, of course, but at least they're making an effort at last!

My Vista is still in a box at the store waiting for me to buy it. Bill Clinton will be monogamous before I buy a copy of Vista.

Meh, I ditched internet explorer years ago, and this recent version, 7.0, has only gotten worse, while Firefox has gotten better.

My wife (an expert programmer) also finds that things work in every browser (EXCEPT) IE. Microsoft has long ago lost any pretence of competence in creativity, reliability, or security. Period. Thanks to my spouse, we're now an Apple household, with a Linux machine there to add to the fun. Oh, there is an XP machine (forbidden to connect to the net) there to confirm that IE programmers should be sent to Yugo school in order to step UP to Yugo quality.

re: #58 jas88

Charles: Just creating the IFRAME the size of the viewport, rather than the full size of the page, should get around this particular bug. I know, we all hate the idea of putting in hacks specific to one browser's defects, but this looks like just another case where we have to clean up after MS.

Unfortunately, that won't work; the IFRAME has to be the full size of the page in order to properly block interaction.

"Internet Explorer", eh? I think I used that once, about 8 or 9 years ago.

re: #65 Charles

Speaking of Iframe... Does anyone else remember when this was used to infect computers? Some Russian crime syndicate under the name "Russian Business Network" was behind it, and they got some pretty major sites infected like the Bank of India and Beer.com, and all you had to do was to browse the site without the latest updates to get infected. Essentially, all you had to do was view a banner containing the exploit, and you would be infected with whatever they wanted to infect you with.

I just started teaching myself HTML and CSS (yeah I know, I'm coming late to the party) and I've already developed an abiding distaste for Internet Explorer. I'd been using Firefox for years just to rebel a bit, and only now am I realizing how much better it is...