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Yet Another Anti-Israel Obama Adviser

Tue, May 27, 2008 at 8:26:20 am PDT

Zbigniew Brzezinski, national security adviser to Hamas-hugging Jimmy Carter during his disastrous presidency, is now a foreign policy adviser to Barack Obama.

Brzezinski says that the Jewish Lobby is too powerful in the US, and uses the media to shut down criticism and influence the government.

Antisemitism, anyone? Oh, I forgot, you’re not allowed to say that—since Brzezinski uses the classic preemptive excuse, claiming that the charge of antisemitism is equal to McCarthyism.

Mr Brzezinski has been accused of being “anti-Israel” by some Jewish academics, writers and bloggers after criticising Israel for excessive use of force and unwillingness to compromise.

Last year, censure of him reached new heights when he defended John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt, two academics who had criticised the pro-Israel lobby and were accused of questioning the right of the state of Israel to exist.

Mr Brzezinski said “it’s not unique to the Jewish community – but there is a McCarthyite tendency among some people in the Jewish community”, referring to the Republican senator who led the anti-Communist witch hunt in the 1950s.

“They operate not by arguing but by slandering, vilifying, demonising. They very promptly wheel out anti-Semitism. There is an element of paranoia in this inclination to view any serious attempt at a compromised peace as somehow directed against Israel.”

Although Mr Brzezinski is not a formal day-to-day adviser and stressed he doesn’t speak for the campaign, he said that he “talks to” Mr Obama.

He endorsed the Illinois senator, lauding him as “head and shoulders” above his opponents. He said that he was the only candidate who understood “what is new and distinctive about our age”.

How many anti-Israel foreign policy advisers have to be outed on Barack Obama’s staff, or in his circle of friends and associates, before people are willing to realize that there’s something bad going on there?

(Hat tip: Adloyada.)

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1 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:27:36am

B-b-b-b-but he's an ironclad supporter of Israel!

2 justiceforall  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:27:41am

I guess we should be thankful that LGF hasn't done what one member of the mainstream media has done:

3 neoconundrum  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:28:24am

Yet, large numbers of braindead liberal Jews will vote for Obama anyway...

(except for me of course)

4 The Other Les  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:28:57am

As long as they aren't wearing brown shirts and leather gear no one else is going to notice.

5 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:29:34am

Scary thing is that Brzezinski was the most sensible of Jimmy Carter's National Security people.

6 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:29:36am

re: #2 justiceforall

I guess we should be thankful that LGF hasn't done what one member of the mainstream media has done:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Who's the old bat with the dye job?

7 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:30:00am

Move along, nothing to see here.

8 justiceforall  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:30:20am

re: #3 neoconundrum

"braindead liberal Jews."

You seem really angry at a lot of Jews.

9 Ziggy  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:30:44am

His MSM protectors won't allow this to go noticed.

10 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:30:46am

re: #8 justiceforall

"braindead liberal Jews."

You seem really angry at a lot of Jews.

Shaddap!

11 justiceforall  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:31:08am

re: #6 Ward Cleaver

Fox News correspondent Liz Trotta, according to Gawker.

[Link: gawker.com...]

12 CIA Reject  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:31:30am

"...referring to the Republican senator who led the anti-Communist witch hunt in the 1950s."

Ah, not for nuthin', but wasn't McCarthy right?

13 Charles  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:31:31am

re: #2 justiceforall

I guess we should be thankful that LGF hasn't done what one member of the mainstream media has done:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Does it hurt to be as stupid as you?

14 The Other Les  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:32:34am

re: #4 The Other Les

Unless it's Mr. Hilter of Somerset.

15 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:32:42am
16 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:32:59am

Hasn't he been an advisor to Obama for months?

And I wonder what he thinks of his former boss telling how many nukes Israel has?
(And that number is probably wrong)

17 justiceforall  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:33:31am

re: #13 Charles

Good response. I'm taking it that you do not stand behind the Fox incident?

18 barry the baptist  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:33:33am

I think that Obama should place 'Jimmah Cartah' onboard as an foreign policy expert, er, uh, advisor. After all, who better to serve as a liason with our enemies in the Middle East? He knows all of the murdercrats personally and so when Pres Obama meets with them-unconditionally-Jimmah would probably give him a hell of an introduction.

19 HDrepub  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:33:34am

Is this the "change" Obama wants? To change back to the failed policies of the Carter Administration? NO THANKS, Barack.

20 Ziggy  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:33:38am

re: #3 neoconundrum

Yet, large numbers of braindead liberal Jews will vote for Obama anyway...

(except for me of course)


I can't tell you how many "braindead liberal jews" at my synagogue still think that republicans= anti-semites. They'd probably vote for Jimmy Carter again if they could. Oy vey!

21 Spiny Norman  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:33:45am

re: #15 buzzsawmonkey

Barack Obama supports Israel the way Code Pink supports the troops.

Ouch.

22 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:34:06am

re: #2 justiceforall

I highly doubt your comment and link will stand. You might even have to leave.

23 neoconundrum  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:34:12am

Justiceforall,

You got that right!

Angry at liberal Jews for their utter stupidity and misplaced concern for Israel.

And happy there are pro-Israel Americans who can more than make up for our own stupidity.

Thanks.

24 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:34:28am

re: #15 buzzsawmonkey

Barack Obama supports Israel the way Code Pink supports the troops.

But Obama says he does, even gives interviews saying how much he supports Israel. That "constant sore", as he says; what a term of endearment.

25 J.D.  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:34:40am

re: #16 Kosh's Shadow

(And that number is probably wrong)


I'd say you're 100% correct there.

26 Alouette  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:34:43am
Mr Brzezinski said “it’s not unique to the Jewish community – but there is a McCarthyite tendency among some people in the Jewish community”, referring to the Republican senator who led the anti-Communist witch hunt in the 1950s.

Why was McCarthy called a "witch hunter"? Most of the people he said were Communists were, in fact, Communists. Whereas "witches" are fictional creatures.

27 HDrepub  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:34:45am

re: #2 justiceforall

We are discussing Mr. Obama's foreign policy advisors, and since this is an open thread, please try to keep up with the subject, troll.

28 Alouette  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:35:05am

re: #8 justiceforall

"braindead liberal Jews."

You seem really angry at a lot of Jews.

Just braindead liberal Jews.

29 Ojoe  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:35:39am
a compromised peace

That says it all.

When we were kids in Catholic school, we prayed for "a just and a lasting peace". Other peace won't work; it is no different today.

30 Paul Green  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:35:45am

"They operate not by arguing but by slandering, vilifying, demonising. They very promptly wheel out anti-Semitism."

Substitute "Islamophobia" for "anti-Semitism" and this statement becomes accurate, albeit descriptive of quite another group.

31 republic  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:35:53am
How many anti-Israel foreign policy advisers have to be outed on Barack Obama’s staff, before people are willing to realize that there’s something bad going on there?

This should all be good fodder for the McCain campaign when the real debates start, and Obama, is once again, stumbling blindly all over himself without the aid of a teleprompter.

32 justiceforall  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:36:01am

re: #27 HDrepub

:)

33 Kenneth  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:36:43am

re: #16 Kosh's Shadow

Is it really a bad thing for Carter to have quoted a number? Everything else he said in that interview was disgusting and appalling, but many people have quoted one number or another over the years. I recall numbers in range of from 50 to 400 "devices". Keep the mullahs guessing is a fine idea as far at I can see it.

34 laZardo  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:37:14am

re: #26 Alouette

They were? I wish I could agree with you there...

35 jemima  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:37:16am

I didn't realize Mika Brzezinski was his daughter. So much the better to have individuals who are born insiders spinning the news (MSNBC) for the proletariat.

36 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:37:18am

As how long it will take before people see something wrong in Obama's advisors; Until they see a reason to care, they won't. They have seen reason to care with Wright, but Zbigniew Brzezinski is too old hat to notice except by those of us who really pay attention. Right now, most people probably care about which candidate would be able to reduce gas prices more than they care about who is pro or anti-Israel.

37 Clio  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:37:24am

In years past, when I worked at the Council on Foreign Relations in NY, Brzezinski had an article in a magazine advocating an anti-Israel policy. In the next issue, two of the Senior Fellows at the Council had Letters to the Editor in the magazine praising the article.

So then I wrote my own Letter to the Editor that demolished Brzezinski's arguments, and sent it off with an attached note pointing out to the Editor that the two letters of praise came from men who were Brzezinski's friends and colleagues.

My whole long letter was published, and the day after the magazine came out one of the Senior Fellows whispered to me "I NEVER DID LIKE ZBIG".

But he is just the kind that His Obamaship WOULD like.

38 neoconundrum  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:37:25am

I can't tell you how many "braindead liberal jews" at my synagogue...

Ziggy -

I'm with ya 'bro! I manage to flame a handful of my dumb tribesmen each time I go to the JCC;) And my in-laws too!

39 alegrias  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:37:28am

re: #5 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Scary thing is that Brzezinski was the most sensible of Jimmy Carter's National Security people.

* * *
Do tell, what sensible Carter "national security" issue am I forgetting?

Because when I think back on Carter's administration, nothing good comes to mind except it was only one seemingly long depressing four years...my generation's GREAT CARTER DEPRESSION.

40 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:37:33am
41 FrogMarch  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:37:50am
Evidenced by his [Obama's] list of supporters, from Ayers Dohrn, Hayden and Fonda, to the New Black Panthers, the New SDS, the New Winter Soldiers, et al., the radical Left has annointed Obama as the One. Every aging, anti-war, anti-capitalist group and their new offshoots are flocking around Obama like moths to a flame.

An eloquent clean cut black man is the perfect front man for the radical Left.

42 justiceforall  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:38:07am

re: #23 neoconundrum

What do you mean by "misplaced concern for Israel?" I don't understand how liberal Jews--or anyone, Jewish/non-Jewish and regardless of political stance--having "concern for Israel" being "misplaced."

43 Ojoe  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:38:26am

re: #31 republic

Even with a teleprompter he was addressing ghosts at the start of his Memorial Day speech.

44 republic  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:38:42am

re: #33 Kenneth

Is it really a bad thing for Carter to have quoted a number? Everything else he said in that interview was disgusting and appalling, but many people have quoted one number or another over the years. I recall numbers in range of from 50 to 400 "devices". Keep the mullahs guessing is a fine idea as far at I can see it.

Do you really trust Carters intentions?

45 JammieWearingFool  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:38:55am

I have a work acquaintance who knows Brzezinski very well. The conspiratorial crackpot stuff this guy spouts is off the charts.

Big fan of Counterpunch.

46 Spiny Norman  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:39:05am

re: #19 HDrepub

Is this the "change" Obama wants? To change back to the failed policies of the Carter Administration? NO THANKS, Barack.

Next up: "windfall profits" taxes and gas rationing (when I was in junior high, a friend's mom's car had the license plate "ODD EVEN").

And coming soon: the return of Paul Volcker and 21% mortgage interest. YAY!

47 bosforus  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:39:15am

re: #17 justiceforall

Good response. I'm taking it that you do not stand behind the Fox incident?

What makes you think Charles is lock-step with Fox?

48 jcm  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:39:25am

re: #27 HDrepub

We are discussing Mr. Obama's foreign policy advisors, and since this is an open thread, please try to keep up with the subject, troll.

Give it a break, it got its Kos talking points this morning. You actually expect it to be able to talk off script?

49 crazytraveler  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:39:35am

But they'll gladly take donations from Jews. No shame for the panderers.

50 alegrias  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:39:56am

re: #16 Kosh's Shadow

Hasn't he been an advisor to Obama for months?

And I wonder what he thinks of his former boss telling how many nukes Israel has?
(And that number is probably wrong)

* * *
Carter is shameless & unrepentantly out to hurt our allies, for anyone who hasn't noticed.

51 justiceforall  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:40:39am

re: #47 bosforus

When did I say he was in lock stop? I actually commended him for NOT making such an offensive remark. Though haven't seen him denounce it...yet.

52 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:40:53am

re: #47 bosforus

What makes you think Charles is lock-step with Fox?

He's just a troll, poking Charles with a sharp stick.

53 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:41:03am

compromised peace
Don't compromised bridges, overpasses, and buildings tend to fall down and go boom? Is Ziggy saying he wants Israel to fail? Gee I am shocked, shocked I say!

54 Ojoe  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:41:09am

re: #13 Charles

The ability to feel pain is proportional to intelligence IMHO.

55 So?  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:41:21am

Oh-Baaah-Maaaah

[Link: www.mp3item.com...]

56 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:41:35am

nodroG wannabes can be so boring.

57 laZardo  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:41:40am

re: #37 Clio

You worked for TEH CONSPIRCAY?

...

Cool. (: What was it like?

58 Alouette  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:41:53am

re: #52 Ward Cleaver

He's just a troll, poking Charles with a sharp stick.

Stinky has a sharper and bigger stick.

59 bosforus  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:42:05am

re: #51 justiceforall

When did I say he was in lock stop? I actually commended him for NOT making such an offensive remark. Though haven't seen him denounce it...yet.

To even question that Charles somehow approves what that idiot said is a pretty indicator that you thin Charles has a lockstep mentality with Fox.

60 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:42:17am

re: #33 Kenneth

Is it really a bad thing for Carter to have quoted a number? Everything else he said in that interview was disgusting and appalling, but many people have quoted one number or another over the years. I recall numbers in range of from 50 to 400 "devices". Keep the mullahs guessing is a fine idea as far at I can see it.

If Israel wants to keep it a secret, they should be allowed to.

It is interesting that Carter used this to say how Iran couldn't develop nukes without it being known, but Israel actually managed to keep it well hidden. I doubt the Arabs know how many they have.
Also, the point is, that Israel has had nukes for over 30 years, and hasn't used one. How long does any rational person think Iran would have one before using it? About as long as it takes to be delivered, I think.

61 MandyManners  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:42:21am

re: #51 justiceforall

Fuck you.

62 Kenneth  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:42:22am

re: #17 justiceforall

Last time I checked, Charles is not an employee of Fox News nor on it's editorial staff, so the question of whether he "stands behind" the Fox clip is absurd.

By the way, I have heard or read several Obama supporters all musing on the same topic; that Obama is destined to be assassinated. Are you equally offended by that? Frankly, I find the whole Obama as messiah imagery, which is very consciously designed & promoted by the Obama campaign, not only offensive but responsible for creating the assassination meme.

63 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:42:33am

re: #46 Spiny Norman

Next up: "windfall profits" taxes and gas rationing (when I was in junior high, a friend's mom's car had the license plate "ODD EVEN")

Help me, I can't recall. Vanity license plate owners were/ARE considered odd or even under Carter/OBAMA rationing plan?

64 republic  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:42:43am

re: #52 Ward Cleaver

He's just a troll, poking Charles with a sharp stick.

"it" smells a lot like joewilson

65 bosforus  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:43:13am

re: #51 justiceforall

Couple of grammatical errors in my last response, figure it out.

66 wrenchwench  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:43:14am

So we have a choice of Bush's third term, Clinton's third term, or Carter's second term.

67 jcm  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:43:15am

re: #58 Alouette

Stinky has a sharper and bigger stick.

Don't mess with Stinky.

68 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:43:17am

re: #64 republic

"it" smells a lot like joewilson

And that's never good.

69 republic  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:43:23am

re: #61 MandyManners

Fuck you.

Mandy, please try and be a little more specific with your feelings.

:D

70 Onslow  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:43:27am

He endorsed the Illinois senator, lauding him as “head and shoulders” above his opponents. He said that he was the only candidate who understood “what is new and distinctive about our age”.

More gassy nonsense.

71 Ziggy  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:43:45am

re: #38 neoconundrum

I can't tell you how many "braindead liberal jews" at my synagogue...

Ziggy -

I'm with ya 'bro! I manage to flame a handful of my dumb tribesmen each time I go to the JCC;) And my in-laws too!


Especially my in-laws. They were appaled I didn't vote for Gore 'cause Leiberman was on the ticket. It is very frustrating, and scary, to see the large number of Jews who don't know who our friends really are. If it's not bad enough being a conservative, try talking about how important gun ownership/NRA membership is at men's club. Talk about fireworks.

72 itellu3times  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:43:49am

re: #16 Kosh's Shadow

Hasn't he been an advisor to Obama for months?

That's what I thought.

But now that Obama also has a bunch of fallen war heroes in his audience, maybe he has them on staff, too.

73 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:43:58am

re: #58 Alouette

Stinky has a sharper and bigger stick.

Where is VegasRick to set line?

74 hermeneutics  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:43:58am

re: #61 MandyManners

Mandy ... Is your blog up and running yet? If so, URL please.

75 Kenneth  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:44:03am

re: #44 republic

Absolutely not. But even fools can be useful.

76 Zevy  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:44:17am

So, if Obama claims that McCain is running for "Bush's third term", then it's obvious Obama is running for Jimmy Carter's second term.

77 opnion  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:44:19am

But wait, Obama addressed a jewish group & to show them how down with them he is , he explained that his name "Barack" is jewish.
So there, that proves that he would not have an anti semetic advisor
OH wait, turns out that his name is the Arabic & favored by Kenyan Muslims.
Never mind.

78 Ojoe  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:44:40am

re: #70 Onslow

Well. Notice that "New and Distinctive" does not contain "Good".

79 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:45:02am

re: #67 jcm

Don't mess with Stinky.

I picture Stinky as more of the Steve Buscemi type.

80 bosforus  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:45:18am

re: #52 Ward Cleaver

He's just a troll, poking Charles with a sharp stick.

Yeah, I know. Sometimes my troll response system is just a little too much for me to resist though. :)

81 justiceforall  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:45:22am

re: #62 Kenneth

Well, its not very absurd given that Charles is a public commentator on the media.

That said, you make a good point: ALL of these things from Fox from Hillary Clinton from whoever about the assasination stuff is disturbing to say the very least.

82 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:45:32am

re: #70 Onslow

He endorsed the Illinois senator, lauding him as “head and shoulders” above his opponents. He said that he was the only candidate who understood “what is new and distinctive about our age”.

More gassy nonsense.

"Age" = Reich.

83 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:45:34am
84 psaturn  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:45:45am

That is what appreciate about you and this place Charles, you point out clearly and loudly that something bad is going on there....

85 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:45:59am

re: #81 justiceforall

Well, its not very absurd given that Charles is a public commentator on the media.

That said, you make a good point: ALL of these things from Fox from Hillary Clinton from whoever about the assasination stuff is disturbing to say the very least.

Yawn.

86 itellu3times  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:46:02am

re: #77 opnion

But wait, Obama addressed a jewish group & to show them how down with them he is , he explained that his name "Barack" is jewish.

And his middle name is Hieme.

87 republic  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:46:03am

re: #68 Ward Cleaver

And that's never good.

I was right here, defending freedom, the instant that joewilson got the big stick.

What wonderful memories.

:)

88 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:46:15am
uses the media to shut down criticism and influence the government.

Funny, when they use that phrase, the first thing that comes to my mind is the DNC and liberals.

89 neoconundrum  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:46:30am

What do you mean by "misplaced concern for Israel?" I don't understand how liberal Jews--or anyone, Jewish/non-Jewish and regardless of political stance--having "concern for Israel" being "misplaced."

Justiceforall,

Generally, most Jews have "concern for Israel". I say: "So what?"

I find that most liberal of Jews (supporters of Carter, Obama, Clinton, etc) have no clue about American foreign policy, the threat of terrorism, how to combat it, and the implication of ignoring the threat. These are the stupid, braindead, liberal Jews. Who contiinue to vote liberal because they're afraid their kids will accidently learn about Jesus in elementary school;)

There is also a small group of liberal Jews who understand the threat, but still prefer to support liberal, anti-Israel politicians. This group is more accurately grouped into what I call "suicidal Jews". And if you think I'm exaggerating, explain to me how 6 million Jews perished in the Holocaust. IMHO, they refused to read the writing on the wall.

Hope this clarifies things for you.

90 Silhouette  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:46:35am

re: #26 Alouette

Why was McCarthy called a "witch hunter"? Most of the people he said were Communists were, in fact, Communists. Whereas "witches" are fictional creatures.

"The greatest trick Satan ever pulled was convincing people he doesn't exist" - butchered paraphrase from a movie.

Likewise, communists today mock McCarthy for searching for a "threat" that did not exist, while spreading the ideas of communism so throughly that kids today think "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" is part of the US Constitution.

91 stuiec  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:46:58am

re: #1 Ward Cleaver

B-b-b-b-but he's an ironclad supporter of Israel!

Note: he's clearly stated that he is an ironclad supporter of Israel's security.

But he's never said whether he supports Israel's continued existence as the homeland of the Jewish people. Maybe he means that once Israel is forced to absorb the Palestinian "refugees" under their "right of return," and once the Green Line is dissolved, both of which having the effect of turning Israel into a majority-Muslim state, he will support that state being secure as the 58th member of the OIC. (After it changes its name to 'Ismail,' of course.)

92 JamesTKirk  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:46:59am

re: #33 Kenneth

Is it really a bad thing for Carter to have quoted a number? Everything else he said in that interview was disgusting and appalling, but many people have quoted one number or another over the years. I recall numbers in range of from 50 to 400 "devices". Keep the mullahs guessing is a fine idea as far at I can see it.

The number of Israeli nukes is not nearly as important as their location. One has to wonder how many of them are currently located outside the borders of Israel...

93 yochanan  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:47:19am

torah jews listen to G-D and his word
reform jews have replaced G-D with liberalism

some reform jews are what i would call jews in name only or J.I.N.O.'S
and obama sure got enough 'court jews' in his camp.

94 justiceforall  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:47:45am

re: #61 MandyManners

I said, "When did I say he was in lock stop? I actually commended him for NOT making such an offensive remark. Though haven't seen him denounce it...yet."

Instead of a response, I get "Fuck you."

It is strange that some people would find comments on this site offensive.

95 The Other Les  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:47:46am

re: #77 opnion

But wait, Obama addressed a jewish group & to show them how down with them he is , he explained that his name "Barack" is jewish.
So there, that proves that he would not have an anti semetic advisor
OH wait, turns out that his name is the Arabic & favored by Kenyan Muslims.
Never mind.

And the false prophet Mohammad used to pray towards Jerusalem until it was clear that the Jews weren't buying the bullshit.

96 republic  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:47:51am

re: #75 Kenneth

Absolutely not. But even fools can be useful.


The only useful thing that Carter is capable of, is the definition of the word "failure".

97 Ziggy  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:47:59am

re: #53 Nevergiveup

compromised peace
Don't compromised bridges, overpasses, and buildings tend to fall down and go boom? Is Ziggy saying he wants Israel to fail? Gee I am shocked, shocked I say!

You're not referring to me, are you?

98 sparrowlake  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:48:28am

Zbigniew
I don't like you
That's nothing new
You anti-Jew.

Brzezinski
Don't come near me
Just like Jimmee
You're so ugly.

Zbig the pig
Your lies are big
Who cares a fig
For the dirt you dig.

99 justiceforall  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:48:55am

re: #85 Ward Cleaver

Clearly you were interested enough to read and respond. :)

100 ggt  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:49:03am

Good Morning Lizards! They say it is going to be coldish in the Very Far Westsern Suburbs of Chicagoland today.

How are you-all this morning and what are we talkingn about?

101 yesandno  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:49:11am

Obama can't be anti-semetic....his Uncle helped free Auschwitz?!

[Link: hotair.com...]

102 republic  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:49:41am

re: #88 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Funny, when they use that phrase, the first thing that comes to my mind is the DNC and liberals.

Exactly, the near entire msm is leftist Democrat owned and operated.

And they are the ones who talk about the "Fairness Doctrine"?

Pot, meet kettle.

103 Silhouette  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:49:43am

re: #83 song_and_dance_man

One would think it's already been established B. Hussein is a racist but I guess are we still gathering evidence.

Eh, Charles had evidence 20 times over to prove the Dan Rather memos fake, and people still insist that they only were "not absolutely proven real."

104 Kenneth  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:50:05am

re: #60 Kosh's Shadow

My point is that so many people have quoted various numbers over the years that one more fool adding to the pile doesn't matter. I certainly don't trust Carter at all. But the fact of Israel's nuclear arsenal is an open secret. Everybody knows it exists, how large and what it consists of is unclear. That is a very good strategic position for Israel to maintain. More than enough to vitrify the mullahs and anybody else in the neighborhood who wants to push it too far.

105 Alouette  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:50:13am

re: #101 yesandno

Obama can't be anti-semetic....his Uncle helped free Auschwitz?!

[Link: hotair.com...]

I never knew there were Kenyans in the Soviet Army.

106 opnion  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:51:02am

re: #86 itellu3times

And his middle name is Hieme.


Yeah, but all during the month of March, I thought that his name was Paddy Obama.

107 republic  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:51:09am

re: #95 The Other Les

And the false prophet spawn of Stan, Mohammad used to pray towards Jerusalem until it was clear that the Jews weren't buying the bullshit.

Fixed it for ya.

108 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:51:34am

re: #94 justiceforall

I said, "When did I say he was in lock stop? I actually commended him for NOT making such an offensive remark. Though haven't seen him denounce it...yet."

Instead of a response, I get "Fuck you."

It is strange that some people would find comments on this site offensive.

Mandy's just more direct and to the point than some of us.

109 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:51:46am

re: #102 republic

Exactly, the near entire msm is leftist Democrat owned and operated.

And they are the ones who talk about the "Fairness Doctrine"?

Pot, meet kettle.

They think its not fair that even though they control most of the media, no one wants to listen to them.

110 Kenneth  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:51:49am

re: #81 justiceforall

But what about the assassination comments from Obama supporters? Or the creepy messiah imagery from the Obama campaign? Doesn't that disturb you at all?

111 Ziggy  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:52:26am

Slightly OT, I saw Israel wouldn't let Norman Finkelstein enter their country last week. I hope Carter get's the same treatment. I would LOVE to see him arrested at the airport and deported.

112 bulwrk  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:53:29am

re: #94 justiceforall

you need to freshen up your act it really has become stale and tiresome.

113 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:53:31am

re: #106 opnion

Yeah, but all during the month of March, I thought that his name was Paddy O'Bama.

Fixed.

Yesterday, it was Col. Obama.

114 The Other Les  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:53:31am

re: #110 Kenneth

But what about the assassination comments from Obama supporters? Or the creepy messiah imagery from the Obama campaign? Doesn't that disturb you at all?

What assassination comments?

115 MandyManners  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:53:32am

re: #94 justiceforall

I said, "When did I say he was in lock stop? I actually commended him for NOT making such an offensive remark. Though haven't seen him denounce it...yet."

Instead of a response, I get "Fuck you."

It is strange that some people would find comments on this site offensive.

I gave you a response. You just didn't like it.

116 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:53:54am

re: #111 Ziggy

Slightly OT, I saw Israel wouldn't let Norman Finkelstein enter their country last week. I hope Carter get's the same treatment. I would LOVE to see him arrested at the airport and deported.

Amen.

117 lawhawk  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:54:02am

So, let this be a reminder as to what Obama's presidency would look like - it's Carter II. Twice the disaster as Carter I.

Let's remember folks - they didn't make a sequel to Titanic.

118 opinionated  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:54:21am

Give Obama some credit, his uncle helped liberate Auschwitz.

Obama also spoke about his uncle, who was part of the American brigade that helped to liberate Auschwitz. He said the family legend is that, upon returning from war, his uncle spent six months in an attic. “Now obviously, something had really affected him deeply, but at that time there just weren’t the kinds of facilities to help somebody work through that kind of pain,” Obama said

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

Problem is, that included in "change you can believe in" is changing history.

Before Obama changed it, history recorded that the Red Army liberated Auschwitz. No American GI's anywhere that far East.

But it's a good story. Like the rest of his BS that "you can believe in" if you're a moron, a liberal, an academic and/or the Media.

119 Ojoe  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:54:38am

re: #103 Silhouette

That is called "Invincible Ignorance". It is nothing new.

Invincible ignorance, whether of the law or of the fact, is always a valid excuse and excludes sin. The evident reason is that neither this state nor the act resulting therefrom is voluntary. It is undeniable that a man cannot be invincibly ignorant of the natural law, so far as its first principles are concerned, and the inferences easily drawn therefrom. This, however, according to the teaching of St. Thomas, is not true of those remoter conclusions, which are deducible only by a process of laborious and sometimes intricate reasoning. Of these a person may be invincibly ignorant. Even when the invincible ignorance is concomitant, it prevents the act which it accompanies from being regarded as sinful. The perverse temper of soul, which in this case is supposed, retains, of course, such malice as it had.

Catholic Encyclopedia

120 The Other Les  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:54:44am

re: #117 lawhawk

So, let this be a reminder as to what Obama's presidency would look like - it's Carter II. Twice the disaster as Carter I.

Let's remember folks - they didn't make a sequel to Titanic.

But I'll that someone wanted to.

121 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:54:48am

re: #14 The Other Les

Unless it's Mr. Hilter of Somerset.

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

And Ron Vibbentropp.

122 republic  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:55:03am

re: #109 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They think its not fair that even though they control most of the media, no one wants to listen to them.

Exactly.

The Democrats should try and read the U.S. Constitution for once in their political careers.

Listening to their constituents wouldn't be a bad, novel idea for them, also.

123 justiceforall  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:55:08am

re: #108 Ward Cleaver

Okay. I prefer critical response rather than just angry cursing that doesn't make an argumentative point, but I'll let it slide in this case.

124 Kenneth  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:56:17am

re: #92 JamesTKirk

As I recall Israel has 3 modern diesel powered submarines, fitted to launch 16 cruise missiles each. These cruise missiles have multiple warheads. At least one of these submarines is at sea at all times.

The mullahs ought to be thinking very carefully about what these submarines can do to them.

125 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:56:25am

re: #122 republic

Exactly.

The Democrats should try and read the U.S. Constitution for once in their political careers.

Listening to their constituents wouldn't be a bad, novel idea for them, also.

You can add the Republicans to that as well.

126 republic  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:56:27am

re: #117 lawhawk

So, let this be a reminder as to what Obama's presidency would look like - it's Carter II. Twice the disaster as Carter I.

Let's remember folks - they didn't make a sequel to Titanic.

Very good.

127 incanus  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:56:29am

re: #26 Alouette

Why was McCarthy called a "witch hunter"? Most of the people he said were Communists were, in fact, Communists. Whereas "witches" are fictional creatures.

Allow me to introduce Hillary Clinton. Guilty on both counts =)

128 AuntAcid  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:56:30am

BHO would be our first sock puppet president.

129 yochanan  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:56:33am

re: #89 neoconundrum

a higher % of German Jews got out than the Jews of eastern Europe. Remember the Jews of eastern Europe such as in Poland were oppressed long before the Germans got there and most in Poland were in extreme poverty due to the gentile boycott lead by poles.

and even if Jews could get out there were very few places that would take them.

130 hermeneutics  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:56:57am

re: #119 Ojoe

Perfect, Ojoe. You've just given me the puzzle piece for which I've been looking.

Thanks.

131 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:57:14am

re: #120 The Other Les

But I'll that someone wanted to.

Well, they did make that crappy Raise the Titanic.

132 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:57:31am

re: #61 MandyManners
Was that really needed? Cursing has a tendency to lower things to a flame war fast. Let's save the imprecations for the jihadis.

133 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:57:37am

re: #123 justiceforall

Okay. I prefer critical response rather than just angry cursing that doesn't make an argumentative point, but I'll let it slide in this case.

Gee, you're such a swell guy.

134 MandyManners  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:57:39am

re: #123 justiceforall

Okay. I prefer critical response rather than just angry cursing that doesn't make an argumentative point, but I'll let it slide in this case.

You'll "let" it slide?

135 republic  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:57:57am

re: #125 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You can add the Republicans to that as well.


The Republican party is the only group of politicians standing in the way of the kook leftist agenda.

Yes there are RINO's, but please don't forget who is the only entity standing between the kook leftist agenda, and passed legislation.

Sheesh!

136 JamesTKirk  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:58:20am

re: #124 Kenneth

re: #92 JamesTKirk
The number of Israeli nukes is not nearly as important as their location. One has to wonder how many of them are currently located outside the borders of Israel...

As I recall Israel has 3 modern diesel powered submarines, fitted to launch 16 cruise missiles each. These cruise missiles have multiple warheads. At least one of these submarines is at sea at all times.

The mullahs ought to be thinking very carefully about what these submarines can do to them.

I wasn't only thinking of subs; I'd be surprised if Israel didn't at the very least have the plans and the capacity to smuggle nukes into other countries in advance of any attacks upon them. It makes strategic sense.

137 J.D.  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:58:20am

re: #115 MandyManners

I gave you a response. You just didn't like it.


Guffaw!

138 Silhouette  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:58:43am

Sometimes when you accuse someone of approving of evil by saying, "I didn't hear you denounce it," you get the denouncement.

Sometimes you get a "Fuck you," in response to the insult you just made. You pay your dime and you take your chances.

139 justiceforall  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:58:49am

re: #112 bulwrk

And "f*** you" is the height of cleverness? While not making a logical point, she (I'm assuming from "Mandy" that this is a she) that she loads more angry than I am.

140 JamesTKirk  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:58:52am

re: #122 republic

Listening to their constituents wouldn't be a bad, novel idea for them, also.

Have you seen Zombie's pictures of their constituents?

141 Onslow  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:58:55am
142 Ojoe  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:58:59am

re: #130 hermeneutics

Well the catholic Church after 2,000 years has a lot of accumulated wisdom.

BBL gotta getta work

143 FrogMarch  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:59:11am

re: #2 justiceforall

That's all you got? So what? When Teddy Kennedy mis-spoke and called Obama - "Osama" - where were the outraged liberals?!
*crickets*

oooo you and little conservative Andrew Sullivan cought the evil right-wingers at fox laughing at their own gaff -- never mind that HER HIGHNESS HILLARY BROUGHT IT UP.

idiot.

144 Kenneth  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:59:15am

re: #114 The Other Les

I have read such crap at DKos, and several people I know personally who are Obama fans have expressed their "fears" that Obama will be assassinated. They seem quite fixated on the topic.

145 JamesTKirk  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:59:23am

re: #131 Ward Cleaver

Well, they did make that crappy Raise the Titanic.

The book wasn't bad, IIRC.

146 FrogMarch  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:59:39am

*caught*

147 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:59:48am

re: #90 Silhouette

"The greatest trick Satan ever pulled was convincing people he doesn't exist" - butchered paraphrase from a movie.

Likewise, communists today mock McCarthy for searching for a "threat" that did not exist, while spreading the ideas of communism so throughly that kids today think "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" is part of the US Constitution.

Brilliant! Very well said.

148 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:59:52am

re: #56 Ward Cleaver

nodroG wannabes can be so boring.

Whatever happened to him, did he finally cross the line and get whacked with the stick?

149 The Other Les  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:59:53am

re: #124 Kenneth

Their noses are stuck in their Korans. They don't care about the facts of reality.

150 ggt  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:59:55am

re: #129 yochanan

Let's not forget that individual Jews were disarmed by the Nazi's before Hitler came into power.

I little fact that is never reported -- yet people in this country still seem to think gun-control is a good thing.

151 MandyManners  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:00:05am

re: #139 justiceforall

And "f*** you" is the height of cleverness? While not making a logical point, she (I'm assuming from "Mandy" that this is a she) that she loads more angry than I am.

Angry? At you? Get over your bad-ass self, little boy.

152 uncle_monkey  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:00:09am

re: #128 AuntAcid

BHO would be our first sock puppet president.

Who'd want to put their hand in that?
Ewww.

153 incanus  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:00:20am

re: #51 justiceforall

When did I say he was in lock stop? I actually commended him for NOT making such an offensive remark. Though haven't seen him denounce it...yet.

We're still waiting for you to renounce your ties to Cthulhu and deny ever having a sexual relationship with Helen Thomas.

154 republic  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:00:30am

re: #134 MandyManners

You'll "let" it slide?

Wow Mandy, are you ever lucky!

;p

155 justiceforall  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:00:41am

re: #110 Kenneth

Good point, again. I tend to think any tendency to make a politician, figure head, media personality or what-not into a "more than human" is disturbing.

156 laZardo  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:00:43am

re: #105 Alouette

There were Muslims in the SS. Anything's possible. q:

157 justiceforall  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:01:03am

re: #151 MandyManners

:)

158 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:01:10am

You gotta love it when trolls put on their "nice" act.

Nice, but still full of shit.

159 ggt  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:01:12am

re: #132 Dark_Falcon

Mandy contributions to LGF are greatly appreciated by other Lizards. Stick around awhile, you'll understand.

160 Dave the.....  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:01:26am

Hey Twin Cities lizards....Dan Rather is coming to town! Speaking on how the media needs to reform. Bringing Bill Moyers, Adrianna Huffington and other assorted liberal types.

161 Ziggy  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:01:50am

Does any one know if Barry Obama has any family living, other than Michelle and the girls? I find it curious we never met mom, aunts, uncles or any blood kin. Not even his racist grandmom who was afraid of black people. Just saying that, besides his questionable associations with Wright, Ayers, Bresinski, Michelle Obama, it's curious no family is out in the MSM stumping away for Barry.

162 The Other Les  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:01:51am

re: #144 Kenneth

I have read such crap at DKos, and several people I know personally who are Obama fans have expressed their "fears" that Obama will be assassinated. They seem quite fixated on the topic.

I have a personal quarantine on DKos.

163 yochanan  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:02:11am

re: #115 MandyManners

I gave you a response. You just didn't like it.

i think a kush ein touckas would have been a better responce since i doubt you would want any kind of relationship with a troll.

164 republic  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:02:22am

re: #140 JamesTKirk

Have you seen Zombie's pictures of their constituents?

That's the lunatic fringe.

165 justiceforall  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:02:35am

re: #151 MandyManners

I mean, it isn't like the phrase "f*** you" conveys anger or anything. Perhaps you need to learn to express yourself more clearly in your writing if you feel that by saying "f*** you" in response to me poising a question about a topic in the media I somehow mistook you for harboring some sort of anger.

166 ggt  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:02:40am

re: #139 justiceforall

bwahhhhhahahahahahah!

167 FrogMarch  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:02:51am

re: #2 justiceforall

I guess we should be thankful that LGF hasn't done what one member of the mainstream media has done:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Oh no! Evil Right wing Fox News calls Hillary's comments what they are:
"tasteless and ghoulish"

ignore ignore ignore --
/ Abu Ghraib!

168 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:03:03am

re: #148 Mars Needs Neocons

Whatever happened to him, did he finally cross the line and get whacked with the stick?

He got the stick on a Friday morning, when he made an anti-Semitic remark. He was done then. I don't remember the exact words, but it was a comment about Charles, and the Torah.

169 sparrowlake  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:03:07am

re: #123 justiceforall

Okay. I prefer critical response rather than just angry cursing that doesn't make an argumentative point, but I'll let it slide in this case.

I wouldn't be surprised if you're quite accustomed to letting it slide.

170 Widow'smight  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:03:11am

re: #150 ggt

Gun Control is a wonderful thing when trying to hit that big Whitetail Buck. Heart Control would be nice too, "Be still my beating Heart while I prepareth the cross hairs"

171 The Other Les  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:03:23am

re: #150 ggt

Let's not forget that individual Jews were disarmed by the Nazi's before Hitler came into power.

I little fact that is never reported -- yet people in this country still seem to think gun-control is a good thing.

For barbarians Peace is the absence of resistance.

For civilized people Peace is the absence of barbarians.

172 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:03:26am

OK, I hate celebrity gossip news but this is funny...
Posh keeps a close eye on Becks as he tries not to ogle basketball cheerleaders again
The pics are really funny. Poor guy.

173 Kenneth  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:03:38am

re: #136 JamesTKirk

I wasn't only thinking of subs; I'd be surprised if Israel didn't at the very least have the plans and the capacity to smuggle nukes into other countries in advance of any attacks upon them. It makes strategic sense.

I'm sure about that. But then I'm not an expert on strategic nuclear forces. Obama? Help me out here... when your other uncle dropped the bomb on Japan, thereby causing the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor, did he carry the bomb in a supersonic jet or was it a submarine launched cruise missile?

174 cygnus  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:03:46am

re: #15 buzzsawmonkey

Barack Obama supports Israel the way Code Pink supports the troops.

Spot on.

175 Silhouette  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:03:51am

re: #158 Ward Cleaver

You gotta love it when trolls put on their "nice" act.

Nice, but still full of shit.

"Y-y-you.....c-c-c-c-cursed at me! Fetch me my smelling salts, Fanny!"

176 yochanan  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:03:57am

re: #136 JamesTKirk

read the book 'masada plan'

177 daledog  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:04:02am

...he was the only candidate who understood “what is new and distinctive about our age”.

That's the problem. There is nothing new and distinctive with people who hate Jews.

178 justiceforall  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:04:13am

re: #153 incanus

That comment might make sense if I had a blog about such topics. Seeing as Charles opines a lot of about politics and the media, I had wondered if he might have had an opinion on this matter.

179 JamesTKirk  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:04:25am

re: #164 republic

That's the lunatic fringe.

It's not a "fringe" in San Francisco, or anywhere else where large percentages (double digits) believe 9/11 conspiracy theories or other such bulls hit.

180 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:04:30am
181 republic  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:04:39am

re: #150 ggt

Let's not forget that individual Jews were disarmed by the Nazi's before Hitler came into power.

I little fact that is never reported -- yet people in this country still seem to think gun-control is a good thing.

There's a 100 million of us in this country who still believe that "gun control" is one, small, ragged hole at 100 yards on the target.

;-p

182 WriterMom  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:04:53am

OT: Has anyone ever seen that movie Mr. Holland's Opus?

183 lawhawk  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:04:56am

re: #124 Kenneth

Dolphin class subs from Germany IIRC.

184 RickZ  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:05:14am
[Mr Brzezinski] endorsed the Illinois senator, lauding him as “head and shoulders” above his opponents. He said that he was the only candidate who understood “what is new and distinctive about our age”.

For Obama, the only thing that "is new and distinctive about our age" is the old, tried and true Jew hatred -- as exemplified by Brzezinski's former White House boss.

185 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:05:14am
186 Silhouette  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:05:18am

re: #171 The Other Les

Oo, oo, upding worthy.

187 eaglewingz08  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:05:24am

How dare one question the Obamanation's 'pro Israel' stance by pointing out the wretched anti semites associated with his campaign at the highest levels? After all, according to the Obamanation's speech on Memorial Day, his grandfather served in Gen Patton's Army and his uncle LIBERATED AUSCHWITZ!
This is almost a Tuzla type of misleading statement, unless of course the Obamanation's uncle were a commie in the Red Army (USSR) which liberated Auschwitz in 1945. Given that no US soldiers set foot in Poland to liberate that country during WWII, perhaps this is a Jean Fraude Carrie Cambodia Christmas moment as well, it was seared, seared in the Obamanation's memory.
I also give McCain a little credit yesterday by requesting that the Obamanation go to Iraq with McCain to do a tour and to get a co-briefing, because the last time the Obamanation went there was two years ago. This is a wonderful trap because if the Obamanation doesn't go, he looks weak and afraid, and the second part of the trap is a commercial: The Obamanation is willing to go to Iran and North Korea and Cuba and Venezuela without preconditions to negotiate with our enemies, but is afraid to meet with the USA's soldiers on the ground in Iraq.

188 Kenneth  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:05:38am

re: #139 justiceforall

You're just going to have to accept that you will get a variety of responses here. If you don't like it, you can either ignore it, or whine like a baby.

Your call.

189 justiceforall  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:05:40am

re: #166 ggt

I'm glad I could lighten your day!

190 ggt  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:05:53am

re: #161 Ziggy

In this country, Barry has a aging grandma and a sister (school teacher) in Hawaii. I've heard more about his family in Kenya.

191 Opinionated  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:05:58am

re: #101 yesandno

Obama can't be anti-semetic....his Uncle helped free Auschwitz?!

[Link: hotair.com...]

You must have posted just seconds after I searched the thread for "Auschwitz" and didn't find any.

192 Honorary Yooper  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:06:00am

re: #128 AuntAcid

BHO would be our first sock puppet president.

Yep. His strings would be pulled by King Richard II.

193 WriterMom  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:06:04am

re: #172 Killgore Trout

Becks is SOOOO in the doghouse.

That look says she's gonna have 'a headache' for months.

194 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:06:12am

re: #172 Killgore Trout

OK, I hate celebrity gossip news but this is funny...
Posh keeps a close eye on Becks as he tries not to ogle basketball cheerleaders again
The pics are really funny. Poor guy.

She looks like a weird space alien. The shape of her head.

195 EC Marm  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:06:21am

re: #117 lawhawk

So, let this be a reminder as to what Obama's presidency would look like - it's Carter II. Twice the disaster as Carter I.

Let's remember folks - they didn't make a sequel to Titanic.


Well, the Titanic did have a "sister" ship. Which now rests in 400 feet of water. It didn't go down as fast as the Titanic, but it's on the bottom, too.

196 incanus  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:06:43am

re: #139 justiceforall

And "f*** you" is the height of cleverness? While not making a logical point, she (I'm assuming from "Mandy" that this is a she) that she loads more angry than I am.

Please type in English.

197 WriterMom  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:06:43am

AHEM:

Has anyone ever seen globular clusters?

198 Colin Nelson  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:07:10am

Zbig has been in love with his own contrary opinions for a long time - he'll historically say or do anything to get attention.

He has, fortunately, been wrong on virtually all parts of his particular "vision" over the years.

Zbig and the peanut were arguably the worst leadership duo in American history.

Most importantly, under their wonderful stewardship, we all enjoyed the 440 days of the hostage saga that,in reality, set off a 30 year old unending struggle by Persian 'clerics' to intimidate all those who oppose their radical, cult vision of Islam.

And, for the record, he has been closely identified as the back room boy for Obama's FP for many months now.

199 WriterMom  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:07:10am

re: #194 Ward Cleaver

Her ta tas are also very silliconey.

200 JamesTKirk  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:07:33am

re: #172 Killgore Trout

OK, I hate celebrity gossip news but this is funny...
Posh keeps a close eye on Becks as he tries not to ogle basketball cheerleaders again
The pics are really funny. Poor guy.

Unless one is expected to wear blinders, a man can't go out in public and not see other women (and the same goes in reverse).

201 Clio  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:07:41am

re: #57 laZardo

You worked for TEH CONSPIRCAY?

...

Cool. (: What was it like?

As one member once described the Council -- "A monstrous conspiracy to hold luncheons in New York."

Sure there were some real stinkers on the staff and Board of Directors, including David Rockefeller (I never figured out why someone that rich had to be greedy) and John J. McCloy, one of the really evil men of modern US history.
And George H.W. Bush, whose shameless deceitfulness I knew as a personal witness.

And the Senior Fellow for Middle East Studies. who used to testify to Senate and House Committees on policy, was on the take from the Saudis.
Most of the Research Fellows, however, were merely useless.

One year the Visiting Military Fellow was Merrilll McPeak, the Obama perspective Secretary of Defense. As I said shortly after his arrival: "Until I met Colonel McPeak I though *Catch-22* was fiction." He was a horror, a nasty arrogant creature, and I suspect more than a bit demented.

But most of the members did not know or care about any of that. I suspect some accepted invitations to join because it would look good in an obituary. Few ever came to the meetings -- except for elderly retired gentlemen who lived in the neighborhod (Manhattan Upper East Side) and came to get away from their wives for an evening and snooze through an address by the Finance Minister of Lower Slobovia.

202 Ziggy  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:07:54am

re: #172 Killgore Trout

OK, I hate celebrity gossip news but this is funny...
Posh keeps a close eye on Becks as he tries not to ogle basketball cheerleaders again
The pics are really funny. Poor guy.


No matter how hot a girl is, somewhere there is a guy who is sick of her shit.

203 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:07:59am

re: #159 ggt

Mandy contributions to LGF are greatly appreciated by other Lizards. Stick around awhile, you'll understand.

I do understand. Mandy is a good member of the lizard army whose posts are normally witty and very well-spoken. That said, I don't like arguments featuring cursing. I find that they degenerate quickly.

204 incanus  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:08:06am

re: #160 Dave the.....

Hey Twin Cities lizards....Dan Rather is coming to town! Speaking on how the media needs to reform. Bringing Bill Moyers, Adrianna Huffington and other assorted liberal types.

Awesome, I won't be there. Thanks for the warning, I'll know why I smell bullshit.

205 stuiec  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:08:10am

re: #42 justiceforall

What do you mean by "misplaced concern for Israel?" I don't understand how liberal Jews--or anyone, Jewish/non-Jewish and regardless of political stance--having "concern for Israel" being "misplaced."

When concern for Israel takes the form of worrying so much about its international reputation -- or, more properly, how outside observers will perceive its actions -- that the concerned call for Israel to forego legitimate and basic survival measures for fear of being labeled an "oppressive, apartheid occupier," it's misplaced. Zbig's got that kind of concern, as you can tell from his talk of a "compromised peace" -- valuing compromise for its own sake, rather than as a potential tool to achieve security and safety for the citizens of Israel.

And plenty liberal Jews got that same kind of concern, believe you me.

206 republic  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:08:23am

re: #179 JamesTKirk

It's not a "fringe" in San Francisco, or anywhere else where large percentages (double digits) believe 9/11 conspiracy theories or other such bulls hit.


They'll understand one day, wether they want to, or not.

Even if for a fleeting moment, they'll get it.

207 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:08:29am

re: #187 eaglewingz08

I also give McCain a little credit yesterday by requesting that the Obamanation go to Iraq with McCain to do a tour and to get a co-briefing, because the last time the Obamanation went there was two years ago. This is a wonderful trap because if the Obamanation doesn't go, he looks weak and afraid, and the second part of the trap is a commercial: The Obamanation is willing to go to Iran and North Korea and Cuba and Venezuela without preconditions to negotiate with our enemies, but is afraid to meet with the USA's soldiers on the ground in Iraq.

Hey, as long as he doesn't stop at a gas station...

/old michelle comment

208 Kenneth  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:08:31am

re: #197 WriterMom

You mean this kind of globular clusters?

209 yochanan  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:08:32am

re: #188 Kenneth

do we really want to hear 'liberal whinne'

by the way mandy we have your back

210 Dave the.....  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:08:44am
OK, I hate celebrity gossip news but this is funny...
Posh keeps a close eye on Becks as he tries not to ogle basketball cheerleaders again
The pics are really funny. Poor guy.

A little secret to the females here.......those things have eye-magnates in them....but they only work on guys eyes.

211 gymnast  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:09:13am

Brzezinsky is a pretty fair baseline for the typical failed Democrat Secretary of State.

212 ggt  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:09:23am

re: #181 republic

Thank G-d, for the 100 million!

213 Ziggy  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:09:35am

re: #190 ggt
Thanks, I just think it's odd. We meet family members of every candidate under the son, exept for the golden child.

214 justiceforall  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:10:08am

re: #203 Dark_Falcon

"That said, I don't like arguments featuring cursing. I find that they degenerate quickly."

Here here. You know what I like less? Cursing that features no arguments.

215 edr  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:10:22am

Hmmm.

#3
"Yet, large numbers of braindead liberal Jews will vote for Obama anyway..."

I think this is true in large part because said liberal Jews think they can depend on Republicans to rein in the crazy portions of the Democrats.

216 yochanan  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:10:36am

re: #193 WriterMom

that is so funny

217 laZardo  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:10:49am

I gotta head to bed now. Wednesday's my "early" day. G'night!

218 Kenneth  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:10:52am

#172 Killgore Trout

There is difficult. And then there is Navy-SEALS-special-forces-training-Hell-Week difficult.

I have new found respect for Beckham.

219 justiceforall  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:11:31am

re: #205 stuiec

Interesting response. Thank you for the clarity. I'll keep it in mind when I keep reading the news.

220 JamesTKirk  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:12:25am

re: #210 Dave the.....

A little secret to the females here.......those things have eye-magnates in them....but they only work on guys eyes.

They do not only work on guys' eyes; and not even all guys, for that matter.

221 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:12:28am

re: #89 neoconundrum

What do you mean by "misplaced concern for Israel?" I don't understand how liberal Jews--or anyone, Jewish/non-Jewish and regardless of political stance--having "concern for Israel" being "misplaced."

Justiceforall,

Generally, most Jews have "concern for Israel". I say: "So what?"

I find that most liberal of Jews (supporters of Carter, Obama, Clinton, etc) have no clue about American foreign policy, the threat of terrorism, how to combat it, and the implication of ignoring the threat. These are the stupid, braindead, liberal Jews. Who contiinue to vote liberal because they're afraid their kids will accidently learn about Jesus in elementary school;)

There is also a small group of liberal Jews who understand the threat, but still prefer to support liberal, anti-Israel politicians. This group is more accurately grouped into what I call "suicidal Jews". And if you think I'm exaggerating, explain to me how 6 million Jews perished in the Holocaust. IMHO, they refused to read the writing on the wall.

Hope this clarifies things for you.

Well, part of the reason so many Jews perished is that no place else would take any of them. That is why we need Israel. No matter what some other countries say, threatened Jews have a place to go.

222 opnion  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:12:29am

it is becoming pretty clear that Obnama is prone to delusional fantasies and outright lies.
I don't look for it to matter at all to the libs.
They are way to invested in the whole Black Messiah thing. African American with an ecletic past. Makes them all tingly.
He is Ivy Leaguue & his suits hang well. Biden let it slip, when he talked about Barry being well spoken & clean.
The bar is that low, he does not speak Ebonics & bathes

223 ggt  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:12:42am

re: #213 Ziggy

I agree --I wonder if the MSM will ever notice?

224 alegrias  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:13:32am

re: #211 gymnast

Brzezinsky is a pretty fair baseline for the typical failed Democrat Secretary of State.

* * *
Yes, exactly right.

We fired Zbig's sorry team for dereliction to duty, with Ted Kennedy's help, sinking the USS Carter administration's left-leaning leaky ship in 1980.

Thank you Teddy Kennedy for pointing out how even liberal democrats thought Carter's crew stunk.

Carter II would be more left listing, malaise-mongering, "change" we don't want and can't afford. Failure is their only option.

225 Iron Fist  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:13:55am

re: #128 AuntAcid,

It's what he's the sock puppet for that scares me.

226 ggt  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:13:58am

Gotta go Lizards! Have a great day!

227 republic  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:14:05am

re: #212 ggt

Thank G-d, for the 100 million!


The number is growing each day, both in firearms owners, and firearms.

I love it.

"Firearms in every law abiding American home", would be my campaign speech.

228 Intrepid  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:14:27am

re: #197 WriterMom

AHEM:

Has anyone ever seen globular clusters?

I've seen Goo Goo Clusters and they are quite tasty!

229 neoconundrum  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:14:49am

stuiec, Kosh,

Good points.

230 GreenDroll  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:15:31am

An inexperienced and largely unknown, but media supported, liberal candidate poised to win an election against what is perceived as an unprincipled war-machine self-serving republican administration. The scenario describes Carter and Obama equally. Maybe the Obama candidacy is just a democrat stratagem to rehabilitate the Carter presidency by not just flushing America down the gurgler as Carter did, but the whole world with their stupid policies and infantile world view.

231 Mr. Hamlet  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:15:53am

The Anti-Israel mantra is only going to get more popular among Liberals. Just keep your eyes peeled for the next Michael Moore film where he will claim to expose Israel.

232 Widow'smight  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:16:27am

re: #199 WriterMom

Geez, I thought just us guys paid attention to that stuff. Your hubby must have told you that.

233 califleftyb  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:18:04am

To this day Jimmy Carter will not answer questions about his role in supporting the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia. Brzezinski knew full well what the consequences would be of the Pol Pot regime and pushed Carter into green lighting support for them. The results - the greatest genocide on the planet since WWII. Carter was either too weak or too dumb to resist Brzezinski's policy - a policy designed to put pressure on the Soviets in support of his Polish agenda (is there a Polish American Lobby that controls him?)

That's right, Nobel prize winning Mr. Human-rights proud as a peacock Jimmy Carte was too weak to stand up to Brzezinski and the results was millions died! That should be his real legacy, that should be the question posed to Carter every chance the press gets - why did he allow the Khmer Rouge to murder on his watch?

234 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:18:10am

re: #113 Ward Cleaver

Fixed.

Yesterday, it was Col. Obama.

Col. Sanders was more of a colonel.

235 incanus  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:18:50am

re: #178 justiceforall

That comment might make sense if I had a blog about such topics. Seeing as Charles opines a lot of about politics and the media, I had wondered if he might have had an opinion on this matter.

Incorrect. You're using that ever-so-popular argumentative topic best exemplified by the question "Senator, have you stopped beating your wife?"

You didn't "wonder if he had an opinion", you demanded he denounce is and noted he hadn't "...yet".

Oh and by the way, "fuck you" isn't angry, it's dismissive. Other forms include "take a long walk off a short pier", "don't let the door hit you in the ass", and of course "You have sat too long for any good you have been doing lately... Depart, I say; and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!"

236 J.S.  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:20:18am

re: #62 Kenneth

I think the whole assassination meme is similar to the "do not dare", "do not ever think about", "do not mention that Taboo word", the Middle Name of the Obamessiah. What this actually achieves is the opposite...(is this a tactic from the Hussein camp? the Hussein camp was also chiding and deploring Hillary's alleged "gaffe" for having had the audacity to mention Robert Kennedy, etc.)

237 Iron Fist  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:21:57am

re: #199 WriterMom
,

Not that there's anything wrong with that!

238 justiceforall  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:22:21am

re: #235 incanus

The "yet" was to give him the benefit of the doubt, in case he was planning to blog about this thing, say, later today, which is completely possible.

And "f*** you" is pretty angry. And if anything, it is not a reasonable response.

239 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:22:28am

re: #124 Kenneth

As I recall Israel has 3 modern diesel powered submarines, fitted to launch 16 cruise missiles each. These cruise missiles have multiple warheads. At least one of these submarines is at sea at all times.

The mullahs ought to be thinking very carefully about what these submarines can do to them.

The subs could bring the Mahdi. Amadmanonjihad is already counting his virgins. 1..2...72!

240 incanus  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:22:55am

re: #238 justiceforall

The "yet" was to give him the benefit of the doubt, in case he was planning to blog about this thing, say, later today, which is completely possible.

And "f*** you" is pretty angry. And if anything, it is not a reasonable response.

You're wrong. Ta da!

241 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:24:20am

re: #110 Kenneth

But what about the assassination comments from Obama supporters? Or the creepy messiah imagery from the Obama campaign? Doesn't that disturb you at all?

Let's not forget intentional evocation of Kennedy's Camelot.

242 Colin Nelson  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:24:41am

#124 Kenneth.

One morning years ago, way up the Israeli coast we saw three IDFi u-boats tied up.

The mil guy I was with nearly flipped his just finished breakfast, admitting afterwards he had never seen one, let alone three at once.

It was then believed the fleet consisted of four-x-diesel-electric.

It made his day.

243 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:25:04am

re: #148 Mars Needs Neocons

Whatever happened to him, did he finally cross the line and get whacked with the stick?

Oops meant them.

244 justiceforall  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:26:30am

re: #240 incanus

Ha! Thanks for clearing that up!

245 Joel  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:26:50am

Brzezinski, Power, Malley, McPeak - America's Jews need to wake up fast.

246 stuiec  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:27:16am

re: #219 justiceforall

Interesting response. Thank you for the clarity. I'll keep it in mind when I keep reading the news.

Here is a perfect example of Jews whose concern for Israel is that it stop being an embarrassment to them for defending itself against existential threats that date back to the anti-Jewish pogroms of the 1920s incited by the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. For these liberal Jews, better that the Israelis die meekly than make all Jews "look bad" by actually killing their enemies before being killed by them.

Letter in the Guardian, London, Wednesday April 30 2008

We're not celebrating Israel's anniversary

This article appeared in the Guardian on Wednesday April 30 2008 on p33 of the Leaders & reply section. It was last updated at 12:44 on April 30 2008.

In May, Jewish organisations will be celebrating the 60th anniversary of the founding of the state of Israel. This is understandable in the context of centuries of persecution culminating in the Holocaust. Nevertheless, we are Jews who will not be celebrating. Surely it is now time to acknowledge the narrative of the other, the price paid by another people for European anti-semitism and Hitler's genocidal policies. As Edward Said emphasised, what the Holocaust is to the Jews, the Naqba is to the Palestinians.

In April 1948, the same month as the infamous massacre at Deir Yassin and the mortar attack on Palestinian civilians in Haifa's market square, Plan Dalet was put into operation. This authorised the destruction of Palestinian villages and the expulsion of the indigenous population outside the borders of the state. We will not be celebrating.

In July 1948, 70,000 Palestinians were driven from their homes in Lydda and Ramleh in the heat of the summer with no food or water. Hundreds died. It was known as the Death March. We will not be celebrating.

In all, 750,000 Palestinians became refugees. Some 400 villages were wiped off the map. That did not end the ethnic cleansing. Thousands of Palestinians (Israeli citizens) were expelled from the Galilee in 1956. Many thousands more when Israel occupied the West Bank and Gaza. Under international law and sanctioned by UN resolution 194, refugees from war have a right to return or compensation. Israel has never accepted that right. We will not be celebrating.

We cannot celebrate the birthday of a state founded on terrorism, massacres and the dispossession of another people from their land. We cannot celebrate the birthday of a state that even now engages in ethnic cleansing, that violates international law, that is inflicting a monstrous collective punishment on the civilian population of Gaza and that continues to deny to Palestinians their human rights and national aspirations.

We will celebrate when Arab and Jew live as equals in a peaceful Middle East.

[signatories include some 100 liberal British Jews, including playwright Harold Pinter]

247 Kenneth  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:27:22am

re: #236 J.S.

Exactly. The same trick at work in Obama's "post-racial" campaign in which anybody who won't vote for him is labeled a racist.

248 justiceforall  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:28:32am

re: #110 Kenneth

"Or the creepy messiah imagery from the Obama campaign?"

Would call his followers, maybe "Zombies"?

249 TalkinKamel  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:28:49am

re: #238 justiceforall

By the way, Justice, are you ever going to answer those questions posed to you on the JiveTshirts "Victimization" thread?

(Crickets chirp, in background.)

GAZE.

250 Kenneth  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:28:51am

re: #238 justiceforall

Oh relax will ya? Mandy wasn't angry. I'm sure when she said it she had a smile on her face. Now get over it.

251 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:28:55am

re: #161 Ziggy

Does any one know if Barry Obama has any family living, other than Michelle and the girls? I find it curious we never met mom, aunts, uncles or any blood kin. Not even his racist grandmom who was afraid of black people. Just saying that, besides his questionable associations with Wright, Ayers, Bresinski, Michelle Obama, it's curious no family is out in the MSM stumping away for Barry.

Have you looked under all the buses in the US?

252 Joel[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:29:14am
253 Joel  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:30:41am

re: #52 Ward Cleaver

He's just a troll, poking Charles with a sharp stick.

Fox did not say that, Liz Trotta did. Also they did not show the entire clip.

254 Kenneth  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:31:01am

re: #248 justiceforall

"Liberals", "Leftists" and "Moonbats" seem more accurate to me. But how do you feel about the messiah imagery and the assassination talk coming from Obama supporters? To borrow your phrase, do you "stand behind it" or do you denounce it?

255 justiceforall  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:31:06am

re: #246 stuiec

So let me ask you this: What is your response to Jews who think it is a bad idea for Jewish Zionists to align with evangelicals who support Israel, saying the only do so because they believe in the Jews returning to Israel to bring about the Second Coming (which results in bad stuff for the unconverted Jews)?

Honest question. It is a situation I see cited a lot.

256 justiceforall  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:32:28am

re: #250 Kenneth

Here's how you convey smile over a blog post--- :)

257 Kenneth  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:32:43am

re: #252 Joel

Oops! That's a deletable post, my friend!

258 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:33:10am

re: #195 EC Marm

Well, the Titanic did have a "sister" ship. Which now rests in 400 feet of water. It didn't go down as fast as the Titanic, but it's on the bottom, too.

There were 3 ships. The Olympic served until the 1930's, I believe. The Britannic, which you refer to, was sunk by a mine in the Agean while serving as a hospital ship in WWI.

259 offendi  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:33:15am

Yep, those old Carter advisers really handled Iran back in the day, didn't they? I expect old Zbig to pee himself when he hears Moonbeam Ahmadinejad has launched his warheads at Israel and Europe. But we were nego-ti-ating !

Re-cycling failures is a bad idea. And you know Barry-The-Inexperienced will listen to every word they say.

260 Kenneth  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:34:02am

re: #256 justiceforall

Thanks for the tip. ;p

261 justiceforall  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:34:32am

re: #253 Joel

That's a fair point, however, considering when a Seattle newspaper (can't remember which one) columnist made dumb comment about Hitler's demands being "reasonable," many readers on this blog saw him speaking not only for the newspaper but for the entire left (thought I couldn't see how this guy was affiliated with one side or another).

262 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:35:05am

re: #198 Colin Nelson

Zbig has been in love with his own contrary opinions for a long time - he'll historically say or do anything to get attention.

He has, fortunately, been wrong on virtually all parts of his particular "vision" over the years.

Zbig and the peanut were arguably the worst leadership duo in American history.

Most importantly, under their wonderful stewardship, we all enjoyed the 440 days of the hostage saga that,in reality, set off a 30 year old unending struggle by Persian 'clerics' to intimidate all those who oppose their radical, cult vision of Islam.

And, for the record, he has been closely identified as the back room boy for Obama's FP for many months now.

And now Obama wants to bring back Zbig to finish the work, and let Iran destroy Israel.

263 JustMyView  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:35:13am

I heard Brzezinski say on TV last week that he was a supporter of Obama's, but not an advisor. Has that changed?

264 justiceforall  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:35:47am

re: #252 Joel

You wrote, "I hope that if God forbid [sic] the Persians [to] launch their weapons at Israel, then Israel besides killing every single Iranian with their nukes, will save one nuke to destroy Mecca."

Are you quoting someone else or are those your own words?

265 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:36:12am
claiming that the charge of antisemitism is equal to McCarthyism.

This, in an honest world, should be the death knell to his career, but he is lucky being an anti-semite is the new/old 'chic'.

McCarthy was right on all counts, but...no one wants to pay attention to facts anymore.

266 Kenneth  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:36:17am

re: #242 Colin Nelson

Israel has several other older submarines. I was referring to their newest Dolphin class submarines with ultra-silence propulsion systems.

267 dingleB  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:36:20am

Cultural insensitivity and a not-ready-for-prime-time president.

[Link: www.gwu.edu...]

But wait, an old dog can learn new tricks!

[Link: cache.boston.com...]

268 justiceforall  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:37:01am

re: #254 Kenneth

Can you send me some links of "assassination talk coming from Obama supporters"?

269 JustMyView  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:37:05am

re: #77 opnion

But wait, Obama addressed a jewish group & to show them how down with them he is , he explained that his name "Barack" is jewish.
So there, that proves that he would not have an anti semetic advisor
OH wait, turns out that his name is the Arabic & favored by Kenyan Muslims.
Never mind.

No, he said that his name has the same linguistic root as "Baruch," a common Hebrew name.

270 Tigger2005  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:37:26am

re: #3 neoconundrum

Yet, large numbers of braindead liberal Jews will vote for Obama anyway...

(except for me of course)

You're a braindead liberal Jew who won't vote for Obama?

Kidding...just kidding!

271 Joel  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:37:50am

re: #261 justiceforall

I would like to see the entire clip of what Liz Trotta said.

272 Joel  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:38:43am

re: #268 justiceforall

Can you send me some links of "assassination talk coming from Obama supporters"?

Just check out Randi Rhodes formerly of Air America and the entire Daily Kos, Huffington Post crowd.

273 Maine's Michael  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:38:48am
How many anti-Israel foreign policy advisers have to be outed on Barack Obama’s staff, before people are willing to realize that there’s something bad going on there?

As far as the Dems and most of Barack Hussein Obama's supporters are concerned, including the media, 'that's not a bug, it's a feature!'

274 Joel  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:39:46am

re: #264 justiceforall

You wrote, "I hope that if God forbid [sic] the Persians [to] launch their weapons at Israel, then Israel besides killing every single Iranian with their nukes, will save one nuke to destroy Mecca."

Are you quoting someone else or are those your own words?

My own words. If Israel dies then the entire Dar al-Islam should die as well.

275 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:40:30am

re: #168 Ward Cleaver

He got the stick on a Friday morning, when he made an anti-Semitic remark. He was done then. I don't remember the exact words, but it was a comment about Charles, and the Torah.

Something we all saw coming.

276 Maine's Michael  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:40:31am

re: #62 Kenneth

'We are I am the ones we you have been waiting for.'

277 Joel  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:41:00am

re: #257 Kenneth

Oops! That's a deletable post, my friend!

What is deletable about it?

278 incanus  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:41:05am

re: #274 Joel

My own words. If Israel dies then the entire Dar al-Islam should die as well.

Please note that he misquoted you by adding the word "to".

279 justiceforall  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:41:19am

re: #271 Joel

Oh, I was looking for another clip, but I got kind of distracted when you said you hoped that Israel would nuke Mecca and kill every Iranian with nukes if Iran were to attack Israel with "weapons".

280 Maine's Michael  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:41:31am

Obama has tapped into The Matrix imagery.

281 Tigger2005  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:42:08am

re: #261 justiceforall

That's a fair point, however, considering when a Seattle newspaper (can't remember which one) columnist made dumb comment about Hitler's demands being "reasonable," many readers on this blog saw him speaking not only for the newspaper but for the entire left (thought I couldn't see how this guy was affiliated with one side or another).

Pat Buchanan wrote something excusing Hitler too. Said if the allies had just given Hitler the Danzig Corridor and something else Hitler would never have attacked Poland. It was those stubborn Poles and meddling Brits who caused WWII don't cha know.

I can't see much difference between the so-called far "Right" and the Left.

282 justiceforall  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:42:22am

re: #278 incanus

Sorry about that.

283 Kenneth  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:42:25am

re: #268 justiceforall

Go search Daily Kos. I prefer not to go there. A few months ago, Michelle Obama herself spoke about the possibility of her husband being shot, although not in the context of an assassination. I am also referring to conversations with acquaintances who happen to be Obama supporters.

284 talon_262  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:44:10am

re: #165 justiceforall

I mean, it isn't like the phrase "f*** you" conveys anger or anything. Perhaps you need to learn to express yourself more clearly in your writing if you feel that by saying "f*** you" in response to me poising a question about a topic in the media I somehow mistook you for harboring some sort of anger.

Buck up, son; if you think Mandy can be liberal with the "colorful language", you ain't seen nothing yet....

285 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:44:15am

re: #255 justiceforall

So let me ask you this: What is your response to Jews who think it is a bad idea for Jewish Zionists to align with evangelicals who support Israel, saying the only do so because they believe in the Jews returning to Israel to bring about the Second Coming (which results in bad stuff for the unconverted Jews)?

Honest question. It is a situation I see cited a lot.

Let's see: What's scarier.

1. Real Qassam rockets hitting my homeland every day. Terrorists strapping bombs to themselves trying to become the newest Shahid. Being surrounded by countries whose stated goals are my liquidation.

2. Taking offense over a group of 'do-gooders' who want to help me out, though the motives may be ambiguous?

If I look through common sense eyes, 1. is the scariest scenario. If I put on my 'moonbat' glasses and fear all things common sense has to offer then door number 2.

286 Joel  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:44:39am

re: #279 justiceforall

Oh, I was looking for another clip, but I got kind of distracted when you said you hoped that Israel would nuke Mecca and kill every Iranian with nukes if Iran were to attack Israel with "weapons".

That's "nuclear weapons." And I stand by what I wrote. The children of the devil should not be allowed to rejoice when the children of Israel are dead. If Hillary spoke of obliterating Iran if Iran launched nukes on Israel. Teh Persians probably do not care that they would wipe out millions of Palestinian, Syrian and Lebanese Muslims due to the fall out of an attack on Israel (as well as destroy Jerusalem).

287 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:45:30am

re: #286 Joel

Black september anyone?

/Oh, but Muslim on Muslim violence doesn't count.

288 talon_262  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:46:05am

re: #203 Dark_Falcon

I do understand. Mandy is a good member of the lizard army whose posts are normally witty and very well-spoken. That said, I don't like arguments featuring cursing. I find that they degenerate quickly.

As someone wise once said, "Vulgarity is the crutch of the inarticulate motherf**ker."

289 justiceforall  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:46:35am

re: #285 Oh no...Sand People!

Okay. Interesting response.

290 justiceforall  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:47:21am

re: #286 Joel

Who exactly are "The children of the devil"?

291 talon_262  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:48:29am

re: #151 MandyManners

Angry? At you? Get over your bad-ass self, little boy.

i think you hurt his wittle feelings... ;)

292 Clio  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:49:14am

re: #269 JustMyView

No, he said that his name has the same linguistic root as "Baruch," a common Hebrew name.

"Barack" has absolutely no connection to the Hebrew "Baruch" that means "Blessed."

I do not know whether it is related to the Hebrew name "Barak" that means ''Lightning Flash" -- as in General Barak in the Book of Judges and the current General Ehud Barak (a man named for two Judges and has no judgment).

293 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:50:48am

re: #208 Kenneth

You mean this kind of globular clusters?

Please god no, not again

294 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:52:26am

re: #289 justiceforall

Okay. Interesting response.

What you are implying is the same mentality as what is going on in Myanmar and the cyclone. Those circus clowns would rather allow their own to DIE as opposed to accept aid from the 'infidel'. What the hell? Messed up.

So the Lefty Hollywoods are in a great place ("But, I am in L.A. ...I wont get hurt physically...what do I care.") to sacrifice the state of Israel since they don't want to accept help from the 'Evangelical infidel'? The Lefty Hollywood crowd just have the luxury of writing it and saying it in 'ways' / SPIN so that they can avoid the guilt when the end result is blatantly obvious: Liquidation of the Israeli state.

295 justiceforall  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:52:38am

re: #291 talon_262

Hehe. Well, she expressed a lot of outrage and hostility when I asked a few questions. So again, I'm sorry if I upset her too much.

296 Joel  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:52:47am

re: #290 justiceforall

Who exactly are "The children of the devil"?

You know damn well who I am referring to. Take a look at pictures from Gaza, Ramallah, Tehran, Rawalpindi, i.e. all those who want to join up on the Virgin Express train. . Take a look at a photo of Ahamdinnrejacket's fucking puss and tell me that he is not a child of the devil. Take another look at the 19 hijackers of 9/11 and tell me they were not Satan's spawn.

I got to go to lunch. Someone else here can take my place on this thread.

You kill a Jew and you die. that is the least that Israel could do to honor th e6 million. Don't worry though, Ehud Olmert (the vain, incompetent, insolent, and cowardly nonentity of a Prime Minister) is the very definition of a cowardly, liberal Jew who would be right at home on the Upper West Side.

297 Colin Nelson  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:52:53am

re: #266 Kenneth

Kenneth - yes, I understood these are the new ultra-quiet.

It is always instructive to keep in mind the political, strategic and tactical power of the 4th dimension of war.

Unfortunately I keep remembering that Carter was a junior officer in the US Navy (submariner), before he was assigned to help in the design of the nuclear propulsion systems eventually to drive these platforms.

298 justiceforall  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:53:30am

re: #294 Oh no...Sand People!

I'm not implying anything. I justed want to hear your view on the situation.

299 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:54:51am

re: #298 justiceforall

Fine. The 'question' implied.

300 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:58:54am

re: #255 justiceforall

So let me ask you this: What is your response to Jews who think it is a bad idea for Jewish Zionists to align with evangelicals who support Israel, saying the only do so because they believe in the Jews returning to Israel to bring about the Second Coming (which results in bad stuff for the unconverted Jews)?

Honest question. It is a situation I see cited a lot.

It's use of zionists says it all. Please go home and polish your swastika, kiss your pic of Arafat, and ask your mommy if you can play outside.

301 aaron  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:03:54am
How many anti-Israel foreign policy advisers have to be outed on Barack Obama’s staff, before people are willing to realize that there’s something bad going on there?


Probably quite a few more.

On the other hand, it's only May, and the election won't be until November. So we have time...

302 Athos  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:04:47am

There is an unmistakable stench emanating from all those associated with Dhimmi Carter and his morally and intellectually bankrupt policies.

303 der_ich  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:11:29am

Here's what B wrote in "Foreign Policy" (including the mentioned quote)

Given that the Mtiddle East is currently the central challenge facing America, Professors John Mearsheimer and Stephen Wah have rendered a public service by initiating a much-needed
public debate on the role of the " Israel lobby" in the shaping of U.S. foreign policy. The participation of ethnic or foreign-supported lobbies in the American policy process is nothing new. In my public life, I have dealt with a number of them. I would rank the Israeli-American , CubanAmerican, and Armenian -American lobbies as the most effective in their assertiveness. The Greek- and Taiwanese-American lobbies also rank highly in my book. The Polish-American lobby was at one time influential (Franklin Roosevelt complained about it to Joseph Stalin), and I daresay that before long we will be hearing alot from the Mexican -, Hindu-, and Chinese-American lobbies as well. Mearsheimer and Walt a re critical of the proIsraellobby and of Israel's conduct in a number of historical instances. They are outspoken regarding Israel's prolonged mistreatment of the Palestinians. They are. in brief, generally critical of Israel's policy and, thus, could be labeled as being in some respects anti-Israel. But an anti-Israel bias is not the same as anti-Semitism. To argue as much is to claim an altogether unique immunity for Israel, untouchable by the kind of criticism that is normally directed a t the conduct of states. Anyone who recalls World War II knows that anti-Semitism is the unbridled and irrational hatred
of Jews, The case made by Mearsbeimer and Walt did not warrant the hysterical charges of antiSemitism leveled at them by several academics in self-demeaning attacks published in leading U.S. newspapers . Sadly, some even stopped to McCarthyite accusations of guilt by association. triumphantly citing the endorsement of Mearsbeimer and Walt's views by vile fanatical racists as somehow constituting proof of the authors' anti-Semitism. In contrast. several of the Israeli reactions to the Mearsheimer and Walt article were quite measured and free of such mudslinging. (...)
304 Kenneth  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:15:17am

re: #297 Colin Nelson

And irony or ironies, there is now a boat in the US Navy named the
USS Jimmy Carter

305 experiencedtraveller  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:20:17am

re: #150 ggt

Let's not forget that individual Jews were disarmed by the Nazi's before Hitler came into power.

I little fact that is never reported -- yet people in this country still seem to think gun-control is a good thing.

Interesting point. Got any links?

306 debutaunt  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:22:00am

re: #123 justiceforall

Okay. I prefer critical response rather than just angry cursing that doesn't make an argumentative point, but I'll let it slide in this case.

You are so darned funny.

307 WriterMom  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:22:44am

re: #276 Maine's Michael

HAH.

308 WriterMom  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:24:10am

HI JOEL :)

309 incanus  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:30:40am

re: #304 Kenneth

And irony or ironies, there is now a boat in the US Navy named the
USS Jimmy Carter

What sucks about that sub it's they keep the thermostat at 65 so you have to wear your sweater. Also, they go really slow to save fuel.

Interestingly, the sub has already experienced a "crisis of confidence":

On 24 January 2004, Commander David Bartholomew, Jr., commanding officer of PCU (Pre-Commissioned Unit) Jimmy Carter was relieved of command because of a "loss of confidence" in his ability "pending further administrative or disciplinary action as appropriate." Captain Robert D. Kelso, deputy chief of staff of Submarine Development Squadron 12 in New London, took temporary command of the PCU until a new commanding officer could be named. Captain Kelso will continue as CO of USS Jimmy Carter through her move to NB Kitsap in Bangor, Washington.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

In all seriousness it's a badass piece of hardware, cleverly adapted to a new military environment (designed for the Cold War, participating in New War).

310 sparrowlake  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:36:19am

re: #238 justiceforall

The "yet" was to give him the benefit of the doubt, in case he was planning to blog about this thing, say, later today, which is completely possible.

And "f*** you" is pretty angry. And if anything, it is not a reasonable response.

Uckfay Ouyay - there, is that better, you whining little teat?

311 Spiny Norman  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:50:46am

re: #124 Kenneth

As I recall Israel has 3 modern diesel powered submarines, fitted to launch 16 cruise missiles each. These cruise missiles have multiple warheads. At least one of these submarines is at sea at all times.

The mullahs ought to be thinking very carefully about what these submarines can do to them.

They do, and they don't care.

312 astronmr20  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:58:32am

*sigh*

Looks like Israel will have to go it along again if BHO is elected. Against Iran, and perhaps against Syria as well when the time comes to bomb the nuke facilities in Iran. Will be messy. 1967 again. Hopefully with the same outcome.

(In the meantime, I'm pretty sure Mossad has infiltrated, and has been sabotaging what they can.)

313 astronmr20  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:59:08am

*alone*

314 Joel  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:08:59am

re: #308 WriterMom

HI JOEL :)

Hi How are you?
When does the countdown begin for Olmerde's political death?

315 justiceforall  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:11:56am

re: #310 sparrowlake

Lame.

316 justiceforall  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:14:09am

re: #300 Mars Needs Neocons

Wow. It's funny because I think the person that answered my question gave a well-reasoned response that I found interesting and informative. You, on the other hand, just acted like a child. But I'm glad there are people who post on this blog that above that. Maybe you can learn from them.

317 JustMyView  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:20:53am

re: #292 Clio

"Barack" has absolutely no connection to the Hebrew "Baruch" that means "Blessed."

I do not know whether it is related to the Hebrew name "Barak" that means ''Lightning Flash" -- as in General Barak in the Book of Judges and the current General Ehud Barak (a man named for two Judges and has no judgment).

Well, I'm no a linguist. I was just reporting what he said (and correcting the other poster, who misquoted him). But are you sure? Both Arabic and Hebrew are Semitic languages. Also, a little googling reveals that "Barack" is a word meaning "blessed" in both Swahili and Arabic, likely a result of the presence of Arab traders in Africa.

As I said, I'm not an expert on this topic. My post was to correct the record as to what Obama had said. If you are a linguist, I'd be interested in hearing what you know.

You might want to check out this post, which seems to support the idea that there is a common root.

318 stuiec  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:29:40am

re: #255 justiceforall

So let me ask you this: What is your response to Jews who think it is a bad idea for Jewish Zionists to align with evangelicals who support Israel, saying the only do so because they believe in the Jews returning to Israel to bring about the Second Coming (which results in bad stuff for the unconverted Jews)?

Honest question. It is a situation I see cited a lot.

I doubt sincerely that it is an honest question. It sounds more like an attempt to set a verbal/ideological/religious trap.

Any Jew who worries that the Second Coming of Christ will cause problems for the Jewish people already has some problems to work out. Put more clearly: if Christ's Second Coming is in the offing, then the Jews believe wrongly about Christ's First Coming -- but if they are worried that's in fact the case, their commitment to Judaism is fairly shaky. On the other hand, if the evangelical Christian supporters of Israel are wrong about Christ's Second Coming (never mind the First), the result of their support for Israel will be a stronger Israel that will be a light unto the nations -- and what's wrong with that, either for Jews or for Christians of any stripe?

319 justiceforall  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:33:42am

re: #318 stuiec

The concern is not about the Second Coming actually happening. The concern is that if evangelicals actually believe in this then it calls into question their intentions. The point I hear from people on this blog and elsewhere is that the intention doesn't so much matter if they are provide direct and immediate assistance to Israel and the groups outside that are working to help the country.

Does that clear things up for you?

320 Former Belgian  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:40:49am

re: #100 ggt

Good Morning Lizards! They say it is going to be coldish in the Very Far Westsern Suburbs of Chicagoland today.

How are you-all this morning and what are we talkingn about?

Was outside in shirt and windbreaker without gloves. My hands actually were freezing from the wind. Let Dina (our JRT) out without her coat: she ran right in as fast as she could. OK, it's my 1st year in the Midwest, but one doesn't expect this in late May...

Let me get this straight: this weather is caused by Gorebull Worming? :-)

321 stuiec  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:44:33am

re: #319 justiceforall

The concern is not about the Second Coming actually happening. The concern is that if evangelicals actually believe in this then it calls into question their intentions. The point I hear from people on this blog and elsewhere is that the intention doesn't so much matter if they are provide direct and immediate assistance to Israel and the groups outside that are working to help the country.

Does that clear things up for you?

Not really -- it doesn't clear things up for me much. Why would there be any doubt that evangelical Christians actually believe in the Second Coming of Christ, and that they have a positive duty to take actions that will hasten that event?

I ask again: if a Jew believes that the Second Coming of Christ is not a theological possibility, then why would he fear its consequences? On the other hand, a Jew should believe that the coming of the Messiah is a theological possibility, whether that Messiah is named Jesus and recognizes His old stomping grounds or is named some other Hebrew name and says it's His first visit to the Earthly Realm. If the way to hasten the Messiah's coming is to do the work of tikkun olam, to repair the world and make it a place of peace and justice, why would it be wrong to accept help from people who also want to make a better world of peace and justice but who simply differ on the particulars of the Messiah's curriculum vitae?

A homeless Jew goes to a Salvation Army hall for a meal and a sermon. If the sermon doesn't resonate with the Jew, is giving him the meal an evil act -- or even an undesirable one?

322 Former Belgian  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:46:52am

re: #317 JustMyView

Well, I'm no a linguist. I was just reporting what he said (and correcting the other poster, who misquoted him). But are you sure? Both Arabic and Hebrew are Semitic languages. Also, a little googling reveals that "Barack" is a word meaning "blessed" in both Swahili and Arabic, likely a result of the presence of Arab traders in Africa.

As I said, I'm not an expert on this topic. My post was to correct the record as to what Obama had said. If you are a linguist, I'd be interested in hearing what you know.

You might want to check out this post, which seems to support the idea that there is a common root.

The "Barak" (lightning) in Hebrew you're thinking of is Bet-Resh-Quf.

The root "bet-resh-kaf" (where the "kaf" becomes a "khaf" in some situations for reasons of grammar) means "blessed" in both Hebrew and Arabic. "brakha"=blessing in Hebrew, "baraka" = good fortune in Arabic.
"barukh" (also a personal name) and "mevorakh" = both blessed in Hebrew, as is "mabruk" in Arabic (and Hebrew slang). Cfr. also "Mubarak".

323 Former Belgian  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:53:06am

re: #319 justiceforall

The concern is not about the Second Coming actually happening. The concern is that if evangelicals actually believe in this then it calls into question their intentions. The point I hear from people on this blog and elsewhere is that the intention doesn't so much matter if they are provide direct and immediate assistance to Israel and the groups outside that are working to help the country.

Does that clear things up for you?

I'll go much further than that: as far as I am concerned, moral intentionalism is a Christian doctrine, not a Jewish one.

Conversely, "but they meant well" has been the ultimate defense of every leftist who tried to defend the despicable regimes of the USSR and Red China (or even the Khmer Rouge, vomit) to me.

324 Millie Woods  Tue, May 27, 2008 12:04:58pm

Zbig's daddy was the Polish consul in Moontreal prior to WWII. After the war and before the Communist takeover of Poland, daddy B was given the heave ho apparently because of his pro German sympathies. The daughter of Zbig's papa's replacement is a well-known academic with many political science publications, Teresa Rakowska. Understandably she is not a Zbig fan. Considering his close ties to Jimmy the dhimmi, Zbig's affiliations are questionable to say the least. He appears to be a crypto nazi and out and out anti-semite. The apple as they say never falls far from the tree.

325 GGMac  Tue, May 27, 2008 12:25:33pm

re: #222 opnion

it is becoming pretty clear that Obnama is prone to delusional fantasies and outright lies.
I don't look for it to matter at all to the libs.
They are way to invested in the whole Black Messiah thing. African American with an ecletic past. Makes them all tingly.
He is Ivy Leaguue & his suits hang well. Biden let it slip, when he talked about Barry being well spoken & clean.
The bar is that low, he does not speak Ebonics & bathes


His husseinness' speech pattern is determined by to whom he is speaking. For Harvard-types/whites it's your regular non-accented American-English speaking pattern; for black audiences, it's the Jeremiah Wright-school-for-preachers speaking pattern.

Better presentation than Hillary's pathetic attempts at Black Liberation preaching, but promoting that stereotype nonetheless.

326 Annar  Tue, May 27, 2008 12:30:30pm

Didn't Imam Obama make very clear his support for Greater Palestine Israel. For example, on May 16 in the NYT:

Obama compared Hezbollah to Hamas. Both need to be compelled to understand that “they’re going down a blind alley with violence that weakens their legitimate claims.” He knows these movements aren’t going away anytime soon (“Those missiles aren’t going to dissolve”), but “if they decide to shift, we’re going to recognize that. That’s an evolution that should be recognized.”

327 JustMyView  Tue, May 27, 2008 12:37:34pm

re: #322 Former Belgian

So should I conclude that Obama was correct in saying that "Baruch" and "Barach" have the same Semitic root? That's how I understood your answer, but I want to be sure I've understood you correctly.

328 GGMac  Tue, May 27, 2008 12:40:55pm

re: #292 Clio

"Barack" has absolutely no connection to the Hebrew "Baruch" that means "Blessed."

I do not know whether it is related to the Hebrew name "Barak" that means ''Lightning Flash" -- as in General Barak in the Book of Judges and the current General Ehud Barak (a man named for two Judges and has no judgment).

Another example of the Obamessiah pandering to an audience.
Obama's father was a Muslim.
Obama's father named his son after himself: B-a-r-a-c-k. This had nothing to do with the Hebrew 'Baruch', because no Muslim man is going to give his son a Joooooooooooooo's name. Muslim men give their children Muslim names, and only Muslim names.

329 nocensorship  Tue, May 27, 2008 1:38:43pm

re: #93 yochanan

How is this classification of Jewish people different from the one which considers that the only real Muslims are the one who strictly follow Sharia law?
Liberalism or consevatism are philosophical and political outlooks which have little or nothing to do with one's faith. There are lots of Jews, reformed or indifferent to religion, or even agnostic, who are authentic conservatives.

330 JustMyView  Tue, May 27, 2008 2:22:15pm

re: #328 GGMac

Your response does not strike me as that of an expert in linguistics. Words in different languages can have the same roots, having been derived from an earlier linguistic form. Hebrew and Arabic evolved in the same part of the world, and they have, at least to some extent, the same roots. That's what this question is about--not the naming customs of 20th century Muslims and Jews.

331 DANEgerus  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:04:53pm

Barack Hussein Obama has surrounded himself with anti-Semites, terrorists and terror apologists.

SNOBama's "fathers":

"Mentor" Frank Davis
"Reverend" Al Sharpton
"Reverend" James Meeks
"Reverend" Jeremiah Wright
"Reverend" Otis Moss III
"Minister" Louis Farrakhan
"Pastor" Michael Pfleger
"Reverend" James Bevel
"Reverend" Eric Lee
"Pastor" Mack King
"Bishop" Desmond Tutu

SNOBama's "money men":

George Soros
Syrian Tony Rezko
Saddam Hussein's gun-running bagman Nadhmi Auchi

SNOBama's anti-Semitic "advisors":

William C. Ayers
Bernadine Dohrn
Samantha Power
Greg Craig
Robert Malley
Susan Rice
Anthony Lake
General Tony McPeak
Edward Said
Rashid Khalidi
Ali Abunimah
James Yee
Imam Hassan Qazwini
Raila Odinga
Zbigniew Brzezinski
Jodie Evans
The Black Panthers
Lawrence Lessig
Sam Graham-Felsen
Joseph Cirincione
Cornell West

Judging by the people he surrounds himself with, Barack Hussein Obama intends to "Wipe Israel Off the Map".

Not to mention some of Barack Hussein Obama's more interesting supporters:

Hamas
Iran
Hatem El-Hady
FARC
Hugo Chavez
Fidel Castro
Daniel Ortega
Weathermen
Maria "Che Flag" Isabel
Mayor "Let 'em Drown" Nagin
Jimmy "Hamas" Carter
Jim McDermott(D)
332 rabidfox  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:51:32pm

Apparently, if "racism" doesn't fit, "McCarthyism" is an acceptable substitue.

333 norar  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:08:35pm

“it’s not unique to the Jewish community – but there is a McCarthyite tendency among some people in the Jewish community. ... They operate not by arguing but by slandering, vilifying, demonising. They very promptly wheel out anti-Semitism. There is an element of paranoia in this inclination to view any serious attempt ...."

I guess that good old "McCarthysm" and "paranoia" labels when used by Bzezunski are concidered as arguments. What a stupid projecvting jerk!

And Bzezinsli being Obamas adviser in any capacity, official or not, is plain dangerous, concidering glowing success of Carter's administration in matters of foreign policy and national security.

334 Neo_  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:31:57pm

Zbigniew Brzezinski should already realize though, that all Obama advisors come with an attached "passenger ejector seat."

335 rabidfox  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:37:33pm

#233

To this day Jimmy Carter will not answer questions about his role in supporting the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia. Brzezinski knew full well what the consequences would be of the Pol Pot regime and pushed Carter into green lighting support for them.

I wouldn't put it past the old fart, but this is the first I've heard about this. Do you have a source?

336 GGMac  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:03:07pm

re: #330 JustMyView

Your response does not strike me as that of an expert in linguistics. Words in different languages can have the same roots, having been derived from an earlier linguistic form. Hebrew and Arabic evolved in the same part of the world, and they have, at least to some extent, the same roots. That's what this question is about--not the naming customs of 20th century Muslims and Jews.

You're correct that I've no expertise in linguistics, and my shortcomings in that aspect would matter except that Obama's motivation was nothing to do with words' roots. His motive was to cajole his audience into considering him a friend of Jews - the "I can relate to you, and you can relate to me because my name has Jewish roots" suggestion.

You speak of "words" and their possible roots; I was speaking not of a word, but of a NAME - a name specifically endowed by a Muslim onto his son - because that's what Muslim men did/do. Perhaps your knowledge of Islamic traditions is such as mine is of linguistics. Pigs and apes will fly before a Muslim man will accept Hebrew as a/the source of what he believes is a Muslim name. To the Muslim, ALL comes from the moon god/his prophet, and anything of similarity being used by Jews would have to have been usurped from Islam.

Obama knows he has to be the silver-tongued devil to convince voters he doesn't have Muslim leanings, and "sweetening" his Jewish audience was another attempt to that end.


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