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Tue, May 27, 2008 at 9:06:17 am PDT

Is there a point at which the media will start calling Barack Obama out for his absolutely stunning lack of historical knowledge, and his willingness to lie at the drop of a hat? Obama Talks of Family’s Military Service.

Obama also spoke about his uncle, who was part of the American brigade that helped to liberate Auschwitz. He said the family legend is that, upon returning from war, his uncle spent six months in an attic. “Now obviously, something had really affected him deeply, but at that time there just weren’t the kinds of facilities to help somebody work through that kind of pain,” Obama said. “That’s why this idea of making sure that every single veteran, when they are discharged, are screened for post-traumatic stress disorder and given the mental health services that they need – that’s why it’s so important.”

Unless Obama’s uncle was fighting for the Soviet Army in January 1945, I seriously doubt that he was in a brigade that liberated Auschwitz: The Liberation of Auschwitz.

Also see:
Ace of Spades: Obama rewrites WWII history
Hot Air - Obama: My uncle liberated ... Auschwitz? Update: Which uncle?
Power Line: Memorial Day: A Contrast
Gateway Pundit: Obama Repeats Auschwitz Gaffe on Memorial Day

UPDATE at 5/27/08 9:48:24 am:

Jim Geraghty thinks Obama wasn’t really lying here; it was just another gaffe.

But what kind of “mistake” is it to make up an (apparently) nonexistent uncle, and attribute heroic actions to this nonexistent person that they could not possibly have performed? And what kind of person would give a speech to veterans on Memorial Day—and make up a phony war story?

Definitely not just a gaffe; rather, a deliberate attempt to invoke the name of Auschwitz for political gain.

UPDATE at 5/27/08 10:47:54 am:

Here’s the video:

Youtube Video

A transcription:

Uh ... I had a ... uncle who was one of the ... uh ... who was part of ... the first American troops to go into Auschwitz, and liberate the concentration camps. And the story in our family was is that when he came home, he just went up into the ... into the attic, and he didn’t leave the house for six months.

UPDATE at 5/27/08 11:08:13 am:

This digression into fantasy was apparently not in Obama’s prepared speech: Barack Obama : : Change We Can Believe In | Sam Graham-Felsen’s Blog: Obama on Memorial Day: ‘Their lives are a model for us all’.

(Hat tip: WriterMom.)

UPDATE at 5/27/08 2:16:45 pm:

The Obama campaign responds: Obama’s World War II history.

Bill Burton says [Obama’s] great uncle was a member of the 89th Infantry Division that liberated the Ohrduf camp, part of Buchenwald and, according to the Holocaust Museum, the first concentration camp liberated by U.S. troops.

The soldier in question, Burton said, is Obama’s grandmother’s brother, who’s still alive.

UPDATE: “Senator Obama’s family is proud of the service of his grandfather and uncles in World War II - especially the fact that his great uncle was a part of liberating one of the concentration camps at Buchenwald. Yesterday he mistakenly referred to Auschwitz instead of Buchenwald in telling of his personal experience of a soldier in his family who served heroically,” Burton says.

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1 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:07:36am
2 Honorary Yooper  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:07:40am

Not unless his uncle was a commie working for Stalin.

3 bosforus  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:08:05am

Drumming my fingers anxiously awaiting the video.

4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:08:27am

RACISTS!

5 Yankee Division Son  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:09:13am

Well, this isn't so bad, when compared to not knowing how many states there are...

Are there no limits to the size of his whoppers waffles?

6 Sharmuta  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:09:17am

The Audacity of Scrutiny strikes again!

7 CIA Reject  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:09:27am

You would at least think the man would have a basic grasp of simple geography for Pete's sake!

/Yeah, lets give him the trigger to a nuclear arenal

8 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:09:44am

Barry's next catch phrase:

"And this one time, at Band Camp..."

9 The Other Les  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:09:47am

Somebody should ask for a refund of his tuition money.

10 EC Marm  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:09:49am
He said the family legend is that, upon returning from war, his uncle spent six months in an attic.


In next weeks speech will Obama announce that his Uncle was actually in the attic with Anne Frank, helping her with her diary?

11 Peacekeeper  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:10:56am

Obama's Great great grandfather fought with the Union when the Confederacy attacked Pearl Harbor.

12 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:11:12am

Harvard

13 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:11:17am

McCain about to give big speech about weapons and foreign policy on FOX. I wonder if he will claim his relatives won the war in the pacific? Oh Yeah, They DID!

14 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:11:30am

Not only that, but he still has his uncle's lucky hat, even to this day!

15 Gjergj Skënderbeu  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:11:44am

You see, with comments like these from Barry, you can just tell he's a different kind of politician.

16 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:12:18am

re: #13 Nevergiveup

McCain about to give big speech about weapons and foreign policy on FOX. I wonder if he will claim his relatives won the war in the pacific? Oh Yeah, They DID!

I wish McCain would call Obama on his "my uncle" BS.

17 bosforus  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:12:21am

re: #8 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Barry's next catch phrase:

"And this one time, at Band Camp..."

A lot of Obama's gaffe's seem to come when he is trying to tell stories to relate to people. Can't say I blame him, I don't know anyone who relates to his egocentric mentality.

18 lawhawk  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:12:25am

I had made the mistake of thinking that CBS screwed up since the speech posted didn't match what the CBS reporter wrote, but Hot Air pointed out that WaPo got the same version of the story, which came from comments after that speech - total speaking time was about an hour.

Obama clearly screwed up, and someone ought to give him a refresher on history.

As I noted, the US did liberate a number of camps, but Auschwitz wasn't one of them. Obama could have confused the name, but no one in the media appeared bothered by the gaffe either. Sad.

19 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:12:30am
20 Peacekeeper  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:12:32am

Change we can believe in, stories we can not believe in.

21 Silhouette  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:12:40am
every single veteran, when they are discharged, are screened for post-traumatic stress disorder

Victims or villans are the only roles the left can see for troops.

In their minds, US soldiers are either terrorizing the local populace OR they are powerless pawns, tricked into service because they had no other options, and are now shell-shocked addicts.

Or more typically, the left sees them as both at the same time.

But never do they see them as heros.

22 Sharmuta  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:13:03am

His uncle liberated Aushwitz. Uh- yeah. And I'm a smurf.

23 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:13:03am

Change (history)!

24 Dave the.....  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:13:12am

I wonder if he recalls all those black churches being burned in Hawaii?

25 mph  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:13:16am

He is not nearly as intelligent as they think/hope he is...

26 Peacekeeper  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:13:18am

re: #18 lawhawk

Most reporters couldn't place that war within twenty years.

27 bulwrk  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:13:28am

Obama also spoke about his uncle, who was part of the American brigade that helped to liberate Auschwitz. He said the family legend is that, upon returning from war, his uncle spent six months in an attic.


well hell his base spends more time in moms basement than that.

28 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:13:31am

re: #22 Sharmuta

His uncle liberated Aushwitz. Uh- yeah. And I'm a smurf.

You're a cute Smurfette!

29 The Other Les  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:13:39am

Dan Quayle made ONE dumb mistake.

Is someone keeping a score card on Barack Obama's mistakes?

30 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:13:47am

The Gaffer strikes again.

31 D'kian_  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:14:08am

All the camps in Poland were liberated by the Red Army as far as I know. Some camps in other places were liberated by American troops, though (possibly even other allied troops as well). It is possible Obama's uncle was involved in liberating a camp.

Claiming it was Auschwitz is clearly a fabrication, unless one thinks of "Auschwitz" as a generic, all-purpose term for concentration/forced labor/death camps.

I'm not defending Obama, merely giving him the benefit of the doubt and allowing for a mistake.

32 Alouette  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:14:09am

There were Kenyans in the Soviet Army?

33 yma o hyd  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:14:17am

For an American not to know that it was their soldiers who liberated Bergen-Belsen, together with the Brits - that is deeply shameful.

34 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:14:17am

re: #27 bulwrk

Obama also spoke about his uncle, who was part of the American brigade that helped to liberate Auschwitz. He said the family legend is that, upon returning from war, his uncle spent six months in an attic.


well hell his base spends more time in moms basement than that.

"Hey Mom, can you run and get some more Cheetos?"

35 Peacekeeper  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:14:23am

As President, Obama will send every returning vet to an attic.

36 EC Marm  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:14:32am

Wasn't Obama's mom an only child? Which would mean that it would be one of his Kenyan uncles, right?

37 MandyManners  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:14:36am
38 mj  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:14:41am

Add to this that Obama doesn't know the difference between Memorial Day and Veterans Day...and then tries to cover that up too:

As Powerline noted:

On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes -- and I see many of them in the audience here today -- our sense of patriotism is particularly strong.

Memorial Day honors those who have died in our nation's military service. Is it possible that Obama does not know this? Sometimes the things that come out of his mouth defy understanding.


And this:

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

39 vxbush  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:14:41am

re: #29 The Other Les

Dan Quayle made ONE dumb mistake.

Is someone keeping a score card on Barack Obama's mistakes?

Yes. Michelle Malkin.

40 Sharmuta  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:14:45am

re: #28 Ward Cleaver

And June's a lucky lady.

41 Silhouette  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:14:46am

My uncle was at the Battle of the Bulge. He didn't spend six months in the attic, nor suffer a days regret for any Germans he killed, nor even for the lives of friends sacrificed for a goal any sane person would believe in, defeating nazism.

42 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:14:49am

Hmph. And here I was thinking Hillary was the pathological liar in the race. Silly me.

43 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:14:51am

re: #32 Alouette

There were Kenyans in the Soviet Army?

Just the socialist kind.

44 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:15:02am
He said the family legend is that...

Back off, were dealing with family legends here, this private.

Questioning someone's family legends is like touching another man's waffle.

45 eaglewingz08  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:15:17am

Another distraction alert coming. I posted this historical statement in the anti Israel advisor column as a potential Tuzla moment for the Obamanation. It also seems to reek of Jean Fraude Carrie's Christmas in Cambodia moment, something that was seared into his memory, which unfortunately for Carrie, never happened in reality. Perhaps Obamanation's uncle went AWOL from the US Army, and secretly traveled to Poland to join up with the Red Army (wonder if the uncle spoke Russian?) so that he could free the Jews. Also, remember the Obamanation's false linkage of his birth to the Selma March? This might be another attempt to say, that liberation of Jews and of African American in his birth narrative makes him an authentic different type of candidate. But I guess, when the resume is really blank, as in the Obamanation's case, you have to pad it with fictitious detail to make it seem as if you actually accomplished something on your merits in life.

46 Gjergj Skënderbeu  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:15:22am

Barry went on to later explain that he is also a distant relative of Neville Chamberlain; and then everything made sense.

47 MikeySDCA  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:15:27am

Given Obama, is an uncle in the Red Army that improbable?

48 bosforus  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:15:31am

re: #29 The Other Les

Dan Quayle made ONE dumb mistake.

Is someone keeping a score card on Barack Obama's mistakes?

Just one, you say?
[Link: harts.net...]

49 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:15:54am

re: #40 Sharmuta

And June's a lucky lady.

Why thank you! Actually, I'm the lucky one.

50 reggie  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:15:54am
"...upon returning from war, his uncle spent six months in an attic."

Wow. No doubt, holed away creating a monster in his laboratory. Or the legend that would become Obama... On a lighter note: hubba-hubba.

51 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:16:06am

re: #16 Ward Cleaver

I wish McCain would call Obama on his "my uncle" BS.

As soon as McCain assumes the role of politician rather than statesman.

52 Dave the.....  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:16:09am

The Dan Qualye thing...his biggest goof...Big Media never reported that the card he was handed (by the member of the teachers union) had potatoe spelled that way on it. There are those of us who believe he was set up. They gave him a card that seems like a logical spelling (both George Washington and I spell Potatoe with an "e") to see if they could get him.

53 deanayer  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:16:25am

My Uncle invented "Can-opener in a can"...it didn't really take off however and he ended up spending 8 months living in a broom closet at an IHOP in Waukegan. After he healed he translated the 1973 J.C. Penny's Christmas Catalogue into Esperanto and then died of Spontaneous Human Combustion.

54 Yashmak  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:16:33am

Finally I understand what is meant by people who say Obama is the candidate for "Change".

The changing of history.

55 SpartanWoman  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:16:35am

re: #2 Honorary Yooper

Not unless his uncle was a commie working for Stalin.

Not sure why anybody would doubt that affiliation, Yoop

56 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:16:39am

re: #17 bosforus

A lot of Obama's gaffe's seem to come when he is trying to tell stories to relate to people. Can't say I blame him, I don't know anyone who relates to his egocentric mentality.

Exactly, Barry's whole speach mentality seems to be "OK, What can I say that would really make them like me?" with out really knowing his audience or paying any attention to reality.

Its like Hillary's different accents, only Barry just takes it to 11.

57 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:16:47am

re: #31 D'kian_

All the camps in Poland were liberated by the Red Army as far as I know. Some camps in other places were liberated by American troops, though (possibly even other allied troops as well). It is possible Obama's uncle was involved in liberating a camp.

Claiming it was Auschwitz is clearly a fabrication, unless one thinks of "Auschwitz" as a generic, all-purpose term for concentration/forced labor/death camps.

I'm not defending Obama, merely giving him the benefit of the doubt and allowing for a mistake.

OK, but how many mistakes is this guy allowed to make before we have to assume he is a lier or an idiot. Remember he was conceived at the Selma march?

58 JamesTKirk  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:16:51am
59 pat  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:16:56am

Post traumatic Stress is far rarer than believed. it is in fact rare. The commanality of the syndrone in the public mind is occassioned by lawyers, charlatans, and those seeking to excuse behavior. Suggested reading on this : "Breathing The Fire"

60 itellu3times  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:17:09am

re: #31 D'kian_

All the camps in Poland were liberated by the Red Army as far as I know. Some camps in other places were liberated by American troops, though (possibly even other allied troops as well). It is possible Obama's uncle was involved in liberating a camp.

Claiming it was Auschwitz is clearly a fabrication, unless one thinks of "Auschwitz" as a generic, all-purpose term for concentration/forced labor/death camps.

I'm not defending Obama, merely giving him the benefit of the doubt and allowing for a mistake.

So where's his man Zbignew?

The devil is in the details.

61 Peacekeeper  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:17:14am

I'd like to know which of the 57 States that attic was in?

62 Silhouette  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:17:16am

re: #29 The Other Les

Dan Quayle made ONE dumb mistake.

Is someone keeping a score card on Barack Obama's mistakes?

It wasn't that bad as presented, but the reality wasn't even less bad. The answer cards Dan was given had the wrong spelling on it, and Dan merely accepted that. I would have likely done the same, even if it looked wrong to my eye. We tend to trust the "authority" of seeing it written. And I can darn well spell potato on any other normal day.

63 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:17:17am

re: #48 bosforus

Just one, you say?
[Link: harts.net...]

Wasn't "potatoe" written on that card by a teacher?

64 loup-garou  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:17:28am

Unless Obama's favorite uncle is named Joe ;-)

65 Alouette  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:17:29am

Stanley Ann was an only child, there were no Kenyans in the Soviet Army.

Maybe this uncle was Jeremiah Wright?

66 eaglewingz08  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:17:40am

Also noted that his Uncle who liberated Auschwitz was in the attic, as was his crazy uncle Jeremiah Wright. The Obamanation seems to have a lot of crazy uncles and might need a bigger attic to accomodate them.

67 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:17:42am

Moonbats galore at the McCain speech.

68 The Other Les  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:18:02am

re: #48 bosforus

Just one, you say?
[Link: harts.net...]

It's the one that I remember and it's the one that the MSM made such a fuss about.

69 bosforus  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:18:04am

re: #56 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Exactly, Barry's whole speach mentality seems to be "OK, What can I say that would really make them like me?" with out really knowing his audience or paying any attention to reality.

Its like Hillary's different accents, only Barry just takes it to 11.

It's a slightly more complex syndrome as the 5th grade 'lie to be cool' mentality.

70 Peacekeeper  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:18:20am

re: #58 JamesTKirk

OT: Environmentally Friendly Bombs Planned

Turns out thats diet coke and mentos

71 zmdavid  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:18:24am
Is there a point at which the media will start calling Barack Obama out for his absolutely stunning lack of historical knowledge, and his willingness to lie at the drop of a hat?


No, that will never happen, unless he opposes someone they like better. That's what it took for them to point it out about the Clintons.

72 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:18:34am

re: #61 Peacekeeper

I'd like to know which of the 57 States that attic was in?

The great state of Mendacity!

73 lawhawk  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:18:38am

re: #39 vxbush

Yes. Michelle Malkin.

We're going to need a bigger boat. The gaffe-maker keeps adding to his tally.

74 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:18:47am

I suppose if we had the name of the uncle we could clear this all up.

75 Sharmuta  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:18:47am

What a disgusting way to pander for the Jewish vote his advisers said he didn't even need. Even if he did have an uncle who liberated european Jews in a concentration camp, obama will continue to view Israeli security as a "constant sore".

76 RexFeral  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:18:53am

He meant his "Uncle Joe" Stalin.

77 Dave the.....  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:18:56am

Powerline talks about his whole speach. Basically he says that veterans are wacko'd out psychos who need to be pitty.

78 bosforus  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:18:59am

re: #68 The Other Les

It's the one that I remember and it's the one that the MSM made such a fuss about.

Gotcha, Obama needs to space his out a little more. He's gaffing too fast for the MSM to take notice!

79 Silhouette  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:19:09am

re: #56 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Exactly, Barry's whole speach mentality seems to be "OK, What can I say that would really make them like me?" with out really knowing his audience or paying any attention to reality.
.

And without concern for whether it is truth or not.

They call that lack of character and honor where I come from.

80 The Other Les  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:19:13am

re: #53 deanayer

My Uncle invented "Can-opener in a can"...it didn't really take off however and he ended up spending 8 months living in a broom closet at an IHOP in Waukegan. After he healed he translated the 1973 J.C. Penny's Christmas Catalogue into Esperanto and then died of Spontaneous Human Combustion.

Man! That's has to suck!

81 Maximu§  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:19:22am

Obama's Uncle spent 6 months in the attic hiding out?

He was obviously a deserter who joined up with Communist forces to liberate Auschwitz and he had to "hide-out" for awhile until the heat died down.

/s

82 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:19:30am
83 looking closely  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:19:51am

Could Obama have confused Auschwitz with another Nazi camp?

84 Opinionated  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:19:57am

What McCain should say at the first debate. With credit to Reagan.

"I want you to know that also I will not make senility an issue of this campaign. I am not going to exploit, for political purposes, my opponent's mangling of facts, locations, history and his lack of memory of what he heard in church."

85 pat  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:20:06am

I believe t
he most famous camp liberated by Americans was Buchenwald. That was by the 101.

86 Silhouette  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:20:15am

re: #76 RexFeral

He meant his "Uncle Joe" Stalin.

LOL!

87 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:20:19am

re: #62 Silhouette

It wasn't that bad as presented, but the reality wasn't even less bad. The answer cards Dan was given had the wrong spelling on it, and Dan merely accepted that. I would have likely done the same, even if it looked wrong to my eye. We tend to trust the "authority" of seeing it written. And I can darn well spell potato on any other normal day.

I'd have said, "WTF?", and held it up for the camera to zoom in on. Damn NEA.

88 Joel  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:20:20am

This guys lack of knowledge about history is astounding. Hey Auschwitz, Dachau - they were all the same. /sarcasm

89 MandyManners  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:20:24am

re: #72 Ward Cleaver

Shoot. I meant to upding it. That's the second time in 24 hours that I've screwed it up. I'm sorry.

90 Ziggy  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:20:31am

What he meant to say was that his uncle was doing something else that the Russians could've been doing. Thus freeing them up to do the actual liberation of Auschwitz. Come on people, stop being so detail oriented. It's making you seem so racist. The special racketeer from the UN is going to come calling.

91 gman  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:20:39am

Barry needs to go up into the attic and brush up on his world history.

92 eaglewingz08  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:20:43am

The Washington Post reported that indeed the Obamanation mentioned Auschwitz as the camp, not just a general 'liberated a concentration camp'. Gen Patton liberated Buchenwald. So the Obamanation's grandfather, who allegedly served in Gen Patton's Third Army, could have liberated Buchenwald but certainly not any Polish concentration camp.

93 Sharmuta  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:20:43am

re: #82 song_and_dance_man

Uh- that's Samwise Gamgee...

94 Peacekeeper  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:20:51am

Name the imaginary States!

West Delaware
Upper Florida
Whiteaho

95 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:21:01am

The University Of Denver is certainly doing a lousy job policing the crowd. Hum I wonder what that portends for the Democratic Convention?

96 looking closely  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:21:12am

Was this the grandfather whose wife Obama called the "typical white person"?

97 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:21:13am

re: #76 RexFeral

He meant his "Uncle Joe" Stalin.

Not his "Uncle Joe" from Petticoat Junction?

98 republic  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:21:23am

Obama is a blatant liar, plain and simple.

He already knows that he can, and does, say anything he wants, and the media has, does and will give him a free pass.

Obama is a blatant, perpetual liar, at best.

99 bosforus  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:21:36am

re: #89 MandyManners

Shoot. I meant to upding it. That's the second time in 24 hours that I've screwed it up. I'm sorry.

I've got your back.

100 alegrias  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:21:49am

re: #65 Alouette

Stanley Ann was an only child, there were no Kenyans in the Soviet Army.

Maybe this uncle was Jeremiah Wright?

* * *
Rev. Wright was a Marine, or that's the legend anyway.
Also the legend was he attended Pres. Johnson at Bethesda Naval Hospital after a heart attack, and Bill Moyers is supposedly in a picture with orderly Wright during that time.

101 Joel  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:21:54am

re: #18 lawhawk

I had made the mistake of thinking that CBS screwed up since the speech posted didn't match what the CBS reporter wrote, but Hot Air pointed out that WaPo got the same version of the story, which came from comments after that speech - total speaking time was about an hour.

Obama clearly screwed up, and someone ought to give him a refresher on history.

As I noted, the US did liberate a number of camps, but Auschwitz wasn't one of them. Obama could have confused the name, but no one in the media appeared bothered by the gaffe either. Sad.

The U.S. and British liberated concentration camps in Germany and Austria, all the extermination camps were in Poland however.

102 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:22:02am
103 The Other Les  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:22:06am

re: #92 eaglewingz08

Not unless you want to do a Patton as the Chuck Norris of his generation thing.

104 Cygnus  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:22:13am

re: #58 JamesTKirk

OT: Environmentally Friendly Bombs Planned

Approved by Al Gore?

105 tfc3rid  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:22:24am

Given Obama's proclivities, maybe his uncle WAS part of the Red Army...

106 Kenneth  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:22:34am

re: #41 Silhouette

Please don't knock people who suffered post-traumatic stress from battle experience. Individual battlefield experiences differ for everybody, & not everyone reacts the same was to stress.

107 Yankee Division Son  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:22:41am

re: #31 D'kian_

All the camps in Poland were liberated by the Red Army as far as I know. Some camps in other places were liberated by American troops, though (possibly even other allied troops as well). It is possible Obama's uncle was involved in liberating a camp.

Claiming it was Auschwitz is clearly a fabrication, unless one thinks of "Auschwitz" as a generic, all-purpose term for concentration/forced labor/death camps.

I'm not defending Obama, merely giving him the benefit of the doubt and allowing for a mistake.

How many "benefit of the doubt" coupons do you have anyway?

108 Noah's Arrrgh  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:22:44am
Unless Obama’s uncle was fighting for the Soviet Army, I seriously doubt that he was in a brigade that liberated Auschwitz.

It wouldn't surprise me if Obama's uncle was working for the Soviet Army, in its fifth column...

109 MandyManners  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:22:45am

re: #99 bosforus

I've got your back.

Thanks!

110 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:23:01am

It's moonbat heaven in Denver!

111 looking closely  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:23:04am

Obama *does* have the obligation to get these things right, you know.

You'd think he'd know which concentration camp his grandfather helped liberate BEFORE he put it in a speech.

112 GreenDroll  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:23:08am

Did not Mr. Obama graduate from a University?
Is this institution thoroughly and completely discredited by now?
Why not?
Oh.

113 NoSubmission  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:23:20am

This just gets better and better!

114 itellu3times  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:23:30am

re: #59 pat

Post traumatic Stress is far rarer than believed. it is in fact rare. The commanality of the syndrone in the public mind is occassioned by lawyers, charlatans, and those seeking to excuse behavior. Suggested reading on this : "Breathing The Fire"

I have heard stories that a lot of returning Iraq veterans are claiming PTS as a way of getting a few extra bucks on discharge.

For sure, it's a fine line. No doubt everyone comes home changed, the question is whether it is disabling.

And nothing about that is new, ever read Catch-22 and about Yossarian's liver?

115 EC Marm  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:23:33am

But Obama has a picture of his Uncle receiving a reward from Koffi Annan at the gates of Auschwitz!

/photoshop, of course

116 Dave the.....  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:23:39am

106 Kenneth, yes. Reading about some local sitiuations...some that came back from WWII didn't handle it well. I think then they called it "shell shock"?

117 pat  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:23:51am

His Uncle would have to be his mothers brother Does he mean Great Uncle?

118 MandyManners  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:23:52am

re: #106 Kenneth

Please don't knock people who suffered post-traumatic stress from battle experience. Individual battlefield experiences differ for everybody, & not everyone reacts the same was to stress.

And, PTSD is not confined to war.

119 Peacekeeper  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:23:54am

re: #81 Maximu%uFFFD

Obama's Uncle spent 6 months in the attic hiding out?

All that they heard was muffled chanting: " Mif moor mis muck!, Mif moor mis muck!"

120 NoSubmission  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:24:52am

re: #115 EC Marm

But Obama has a picture of his Uncle receiving a reward from Koffi Annan at the gates of Auschwitz!

/photoshop, of course

Chilling!

121 Gjergj Skënderbeu  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:24:55am

re: #94 Peacekeeper

Name the imaginary States!

West Delaware
Upper Florida
Whiteaho

I know Chicagoland is the state Barry is from.

That's why Kentucky is closer to Arkansas than Barry's home state.

122 Cygnus  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:25:04am

re: #53 deanayer

My Uncle invented "Can-opener in a can"...it didn't really take off however and he ended up spending 8 months living in a broom closet at an IHOP in Waukegan. After he healed he translated the 1973 J.C. Penny's Christmas Catalogue into Esperanto and then died of Spontaneous Human Combustion.

After which his katra was transferred to a android body and he was sent back to earth to be Hillary's new running mate.

123 The Other Les  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:25:07am

re: #102 song_and_dance_man

LOL. That is ripe for some funny stuff, but I think the days of Blazing Saddles type humor is long gone.

Well the racial humor probably doesn't translate as well in Russian.

"Are you out of your mind Comrade! That man is a niii..."

124 alegrias  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:25:07am

re: #77 Dave the...

Powerline talks about his whole speach. Basically he says that veterans are wacko'd out psychos who need to be pitty.

* * *
That's what's insulting--as if people who risk their lives and liberate fellow humans are condemned to be crazed.

Is it WRONG to be liberators? Because President Lincoln made liberating people a big priority, as have righteous Americans of all kinds.

Is it better to be a cheesy community organizer than a liberator of the unfree? What say you, America?

125 SeafoodGumbo  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:25:12am

re: #9 The Other Les

Somebody should ask for a refund of his tuition money.

Heh. No kidding. And remember that this is a Columbia and Harvard Law graduate who is so ignorant of history.

126 lawhawk  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:25:32am

If his uncle was on his father's side, the chances that he would have liberated any camp was remote. US Army was segregated at the time, and I don't seem to recall any black units participating.

127 Israel4ever  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:25:46am

BAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAA

what a freaking idiot! I can't even believe this shiot. Obama's campaign is probably run by a secret cabal that's trying to see if they can get the stupidest liar into office. Just as a test to see if Americans can read.

GAWD!

128 EC Marm  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:25:55am

From Obama web site, speech he gave in 2002:

My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton's army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil, and he did not fight in vain. I don't oppose all wars. [Link: 64.233.169.104...]


(About 3/4 of the way down page)
Strange, no mention of Uncle.

129 The Other Les  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:26:09am

re: #107 Yankee Division Son

How many "benefit of the doubt" coupons do you have anyway?

You can get a book of them for $20.

130 Peacekeeper  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:26:15am

re: #126 lawhawk

Would have been the mommy side of the family, no?

131 lawhawk  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:26:31am

re: #83 looking closely

Sure, that's possible. It could also be a great uncle.

Or the tooth fairy.

His story doesn't quite hold up to scrutiny.

132 offendi  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:26:34am

Barack " Not Ready For Prime Time " Obama. Heh, heh.

133 Tumulus11  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:26:46am
'[A]bout 7,500 prisoners were liberated by the 322nd Rifle Division of the Red Army on January 27 1945.'
// Wiki.


. If Mr. Obama is elected President, history will change.


-


Drink.

134 Honorary Yooper  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:26:47am

re: #130 Peacekeeper

Would have been the mommy side of the family, no?

She was an only child.

135 NoSubmission  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:27:03am

His 'uncle'? Did he mean Jeremiah Wright...?

136 jcm  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:27:04am

re: #118 MandyManners

And, PTSD is not confined to war.

I've got it from imagining an Obama Presidency.

137 alegrias  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:27:11am

re: #83 looking closely

Could Obama have confused Auschwitz with another Nazi camp?

* * *
Isn't there an adult fact-checking imporant speeches, if you're going to pander shamelessly?

138 lawhawk  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:27:11am

re: #130 Peacekeeper

Bingo. And his mother was an only child, which means that if it were an uncle, it would have to be a grand uncle. Still possible...

139 bitsy  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:27:22am

re: #38 mj

On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes -- and I see many of them in the audience here today -- our sense of patriotism is particularly strong.


Memorial Day honors those who have died in our nation's military service. Is it possible that Obama does not know this? Sometimes the things that come out of his mouth defy understanding.

He was saying we should honor our nation's force of unkillable zombie soldiers. Bwahahhahhaaa haa haa. It's nuanced; you wouldn't understand.

140 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:27:48am

re: #65 Alouette

Stanley Ann was an only child, there were no Kenyans in the Soviet Army.

Maybe this uncle was Jeremiah Wright?

Maybe a great Uncle? I always just called my Dad's uncle Uncle as well.

I'm wondering if the Uncle even exists now.

141 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:28:01am

re: #137 alegrias

* * *
Isn't there an adult fact-checking imporant speeches, if you're going to pander shamelessly?

We don't need no stinkin facts!

142 gman  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:28:02am

If I had an uncle like Barry's I would want to know all of his WWII stories. I would respect his service during WWII enough to get my facts straight.

143 David Simon  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:28:07am

re: #74 Ringo the Gringo

I suppose if we had the name of the uncle we could clear this all up.

I suppose to many of his supporters, it would be Tom, considering he fought for The Man's military,.

144 EC Marm  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:28:13am

re: #120 NoSubmission

Chilling!


One of these days, I should update that picture with Ban Ki-moon. I have a feeling it might come in handy again.

145 Peacekeeper  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:28:23am

re: #134 Honorary Yooper

She was an only child.


OK, so Kenyans serving in the British Army?

146 mikeinmd  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:28:23am

I keep waiting for him to drop the "yeah,that's the ticket" line after he says this crap.

147 Sharmuta  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:28:38am

re: #128 EC Marm

Actually- don't a number of different muslim countries marry their cousins?

148 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:28:59am
149 bosforus  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:29:07am

re: #139 bitsy

He was saying we should honor our nation's force of unkillable zombie soldiers. Bwahahhahhaaa haa haa. It's nuanced; you wouldn't understand.

And if they turn on us we're in deep doo doo.
Revolt of the Zombies

150 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:30:18am

Well McCain just threw the Nuclear Bunker Buster Bomb under the Bus?

151 CEQAttorney  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:30:27am

At what point does anyone call bullshit on this guy?

Seriously, this is ridiculous.

Okay, first, we know his "uncle" could never have liberated Auschwitz because it was liberated by the Soviet Army.

The only Extermination Camp (which Auschwitz was) that the Americans liberated was Treblinka. Every other extermination camp was liberated by the Soviets.

Second, we know it could not have been an uncle. Both his parents were too young to have children (Barack Obama Sr would have been 5 at the time the US entered WWII and Ann Durham wasn't born yet). However, even if we give him the benefit of a doubt and say he's referring to a grand-uncle, he still has problems.

There is no indication that Barack Obama's grand parents on his father's side ever went to the United States or the Soviet Union. Kenya was pretty much a non-participant in World War II.

On his mother's side, I find no indication that either of his grand parents had any siblings.

Thus, who freed a concentration camp in Obama's ancestry?

At this point, I'm wondering if even his grand father served in Patton's 3rd Army.

152 The Other Les  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:30:29am

re: #147 Sharmuta

Actually- don't a number of different muslim countries marry their cousins?

This is also a problem with European Royal families. Though Uncle-Niece marriages were once the big trend.

153 Peacekeeper  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:30:45am

re: #138 lawhawk

Grand Uncle?

154 DistantThunder  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:30:45am

Maybe Nobama has post traumatic stress from dealing with Hillary and Michelle.

155 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:30:46am
156 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:30:50am
157 The Other Les  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:30:58am

re: #145 Peacekeeper

OK, so Kenyans serving in the British Army?

Yes.

158 yma o hyd  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:30:58am

re: #128 EC Marm

I wonder who these 'fellow troups' were?
Treblinka, like Auschwitz was in Poland - so was his grandfather/uncle in close contact with Soviet troups?
Where - when?

159 Opinionated  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:31:05am
re: #128 EC Marm

Auschwitz and Treblinka

0 for 2.

Treblinka also liberated by the Soviets.

160 J.S.  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:31:28am

I think if one were to do a Google search, using the search string "crazy uncle" attic Obama -- you'll find literally hundreds of articles about Obama and "crazy uncles in the attic..." including Rev Wright as the "crazy uncle in the attic" -- now, Obama's got another one...How many more will there be?

161 Cygnus  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:31:36am

re: #118 MandyManners

And, PTSD is not confined to war.

You can also get it from going to Kos.

162 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:31:43am

re: #140 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Maybe a great Uncle? I always just called my Dad's uncle Uncle as well.

I'm wondering if the Uncle even exists now.

Still, he would had to have been a Red Army soldier.

163 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:31:45am

In other news, Barry also reports he lost a cousin over Macho Grande...

164 Sharmuta  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:32:09am

re: #152 The Other Les

Inbreeding makes for interesting family trees.

165 looking closely  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:32:10am

re: #137 alegrias

* * *
Isn't there an adult fact-checking imporant speeches, if you're going to pander shamelessly?


I don't disagree, and I said as much in post #111.

If he's going to make statements like this, Obama needs to get this stuff right.

I don't know what the truth is here, but it seems even if there is a kernel of truth in this, Obama got it wrong.

Playing fast and loose with history is NOT a quality becoming of a US President (or a US Senator, for that matter).

166 Peacekeeper  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:32:15am

It doesn't matter who it was: Michelle was never proud of him.

167 opnion  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:32:29am

An Ode to Barrys Uncle,
Yesterday I climbed the stairs
I saw a man that wasn't there
He wasn't there again today
I wish that man would go away.
Barry is either delusional or a congenital liar

168 Honorary Yooper  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:32:37am

re: #151 CEQAttorney

One could call bullshit on him back when he was running for US Senator, he was that idiotic. The sole reason he even made it to the Senate was because the Republican, Jim Ryan (no relation to George Ryan), dropped out of the race.

169 jcm  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:32:37am

His mom was an only child. Can't be that uncle.

Ann Dunham was born in Fort Leavenworth, Kansas[3] while her father was in the military.[4] She was named after her father,[3] who reportedly gave his daughter and only child his name because he had wanted a boy; however, she was referred to as "Ann".[5]

170 The Other Les  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:32:40am

re: #163 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

In other news, Barry also reports he lost a cousin over Macho Grande...

I'll never get over Macho Grande.

171 ironbill  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:33:00am

I'm no Hillary fan but this is the same as "sniper gate." Will the MSM consider as so?

172 J.D.  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:33:05am

re: #136 jcm

I've got it from imagining an Obama Presidency.

For the sake of accuracy, that would be PPTSD.
I should know...I have it, too.
*sigh*

173 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:33:12am

re: #163 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

In other news, Barry also reports he lost a cousin over Macho Grande...

That's a 3 pointer!

174 jorline  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:33:15am

And my Great Great Great Grandmother was Betsy Ross...AAAHHH...that's right...that's the ticket

175 Charles  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:33:27am

This isn't just a "gaffe," folks. It's a cynical, deliberate attempt to invoke Auschwitz for political gain. And he had to know he was lying.

176 tfc3rid  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:33:28am

Come on people... This is nothing. The REAL news is that McCain was endorsed by Pastor Hagee... Forget about Rev. Wright, this is McCain's Rev. Wright bbbut only MUCH, MUCH worse...

/

177 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:33:34am

re: #159 Opinionated

Yes, the U.S. Army didn't make it to Poland - we linked up with the Red Army in Germany.

178 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:33:38am
179 Honorary Yooper  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:33:52am

re: #163 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

In other news, Barry also reports he lost a cousin over Macho Grande...

Was his name George Zip?

180 looking closely  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:34:09am

re: #171 ironbill

I'm no Hillary fan but this is the same as "sniper gate." Will the MSM consider as so?

No.
Because they hated Clinton, but love Obama.

181 The Other Les  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:34:26am

re: #175 Charles

This isn't just a "gaffe," folks. It's a cynical, deliberate attempt to invoke Auschwitz for political gain. And he had to know he was lying.

Which makes it even dumber.

182 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:34:37am

re: #175 Charles

This isn't just a "gaffe," folks. It's a cynical, deliberate attempt to invoke Auschwitz for political gain. And he had to know he was lying.

I think you give him to much credit.

183 yitzy  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:34:45am

CHARLES,

I humbly suggest a 24-hour or so rule here. The Americans did liberate several OTHER camps. (I had a Sunday school teacher who was among the U.S. forces that did.)

Research of Army records MIGHT show that Barry's uncle was among THOSE American forces. Then it becomes an "Oops, got the camp wrong, along with a typical Right Wing Over-reaction.

Just a thought.

P.S. Obama scares the hell out of me.

184 lawhawk  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:34:58am

I'm waiting for Jewish groups to come out and start questioning this nonsense.

185 Peacekeeper  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:35:04am

re: #175 Charles

This isn't just a "gaffe," folks. It's a cynical, deliberate attempt to invoke Auschwitz for political gain. And he had to know he was lying.

Charles, for that to be true you would have us believe that he's currently kissing up to the Jewish vote.

186 SeafoodGumbo  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:35:12am

re: #53 deanayer

My Uncle invented "Can-opener in a can"...it didn't really take off however and he ended up spending 8 months living in a broom closet at an IHOP in Waukegan. After he healed he translated the 1973 J.C. Penny's Christmas Catalogue into Esperanto and then died of Spontaneous Human Combustion.

Hilarious! That reminds me of Dr. Evil talking about his upbringing:

The details of my life are quite inconsequential... very well, where do I begin? My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a fifteen year old French prostitute named Chloe with webbed feet. My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. My childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When I was insolent I was placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds- pretty standard really. At the age of twelve I received my first scribe. At the age of fourteen a Zoroastrian named Vilma ritualistically shaved my testicles. There really is nothing like a shorn scrotum... it's breathtaking- I highly suggest you try it.
187 jcm  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:35:21am

Maybe it was THAT kind of uncle.
*wink*wink*

/

188 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:35:28am

re: #184 lawhawk

I'm waiting for Jewish groups to come out and start questioning this nonsense.

Please don't hold your breath.

189 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:35:39am

re: #168 Honorary Yooper

One could call bullshit on him back when he was running for US Senator, he was that idiotic. The sole reason he even made it to the Senate was because the Republican, Jim Ryan (no relation to George Ryan), dropped out of the race.

Yes, after the sex scandal and messy divorce (he was married to actress Jeri Ryan).

190 Honorary Yooper  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:36:09am

re: #175 Charles

This isn't just a "gaffe," folks. It's a cynical, deliberate attempt to invoke Auschwitz for political gain. And he had to know he was lying.

He's lied his way into the Senate as well. No-one ever called him on it because it was a small-time race after his opponent was forced out of the race.

It seems to be SOP for Obama to lie. And why not? He needs to lie to cover up all his unsavory connections like Rezko, Auchi, Soros, and more.

191 The Other Les  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:36:24am

Must do laundry.

Bye.

192 Intrepid  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:36:27am

re: #83 looking closely

Could Obama have confused Auschwitz with another Nazi camp?

Since it is arguably the most infamous of all the camps, I would highly doubt it if he just confused one of the smaller ones with that monstrosity.

Regardless, if he actually had one clue about WWII history he would have instinctively known that, unless this supposed "uncle" was in the Soviet army, there was no way he could have been part of the liberating force.

Shows Obama is not only an empty suit, he's got an empty head, and he's also got a pants on fire liar title, to boot.

193 looking closely  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:36:28am

re: #175 Charles

This isn't just a "gaffe," folks. It's a cynical, deliberate attempt to invoke Auschwitz for political gain. And he had to know he was lying.


If so, its a pretty stupid lie.

Does Obama really think nobody is listening, or is he merely assuming that with the MSM on his side he can say whatever he likes and get away with it?

194 alegrias  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:36:42am

re: #141 Nevergiveup

We don't need no stinkin facts!

* * *
Democrats supposedly have tons more money in their campaign coffers, guess they don't use it to hire competent staff.

Military Madness Malaise, now with more Change

Graham Nash Military Madness lyrics
by Graham Nash
In an upstairs room in Blackpool
By the side of a northern sea
The army had my father
And my mother was having me
Military Madness was killing my country
Solitary Sadness comes over me
After the school was over and I moved
To the other side
I found a different country but I never
Lost my pride
Military Madness was killing the country
Solitary sadness creeps over me
And after the wars are over
And the body count is finally filed
I hope that The Man discovers
What's driving the people wild
Military madness is killing your country
So much sadness, between you and me
War, War, War, War, War, War
Drums: Johnny Barbata
Bass: Calvin Samuels
Piano: Joel Bernstein
Electric Guitar: David Mason
Acoustic Guitar & Lead Vocal: Graham Nash
Background Vocals: Rita Coolidge and Pat Arnold

195 stuiec  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:37:08am

Here's a useful cheat sheet for Obama for future fabrications: LIBERATION OF NAZI CAMPS

As Allied troops moved across Europe in a series of offensives against Nazi Germany, they began to encounter tens of thousands of concentration camp prisoners. Many of these prisoners had survived forced marches into the interior of Germany from camps in occupied Poland. These prisoners were suffering from starvation and disease.

Soviet forces were the first to approach a major Nazi camp, reaching Majdanek near Lublin, Poland, in July 1944. Surprised by the rapid Soviet advance, the Germans attempted to hide the evidence of mass murder by demolishing the camp. Camp staff set fire to the large crematorium used to burn bodies of murdered prisoners, but in the hasty evacuation the gas chambers were left standing. In the summer of 1944, the Soviets also overran the sites of the Belzec, Sobibor, and Treblinka killing centers. The Germans had dismantled these camps in 1943, after most of the Jews of Poland had already been killed.

The Soviets liberated Auschwitz, the largest extermination and concentration camp, in January 1945. The Nazis had forced the majority of Auschwitz prisoners to march westward (in what would become known as "death marches"), and Soviet soldiers found only several thousand emaciated prisoners alive when they entered the camp. There was abundant evidence of mass murder in Auschwitz. The retreating Germans had destroyed most of the warehouses in the camp, but in the remaining ones the Soviets found personal belongings of the victims. They discovered, for example, hundreds of thousands of men's suits, more than 800,000 women's outfits, and more than 14,000 pounds of human hair.

In the following months, the Soviets liberated additional camps in the Baltic states and in Poland. Shortly before Germany's surrender, Soviet forces liberated the Stutthof, Sachsenhausen, and Ravensbrueck concentration camps.

U.S. forces liberated the Buchenwald concentration camp near Weimar, Germany, on April 11, 1945, a few days after the Nazis began evacuating the camp. On the day of liberation, an underground prisoner resistance organization seized control of Buchenwald to prevent atrocities by the retreating camp guards. American forces liberated more than 20,000 prisoners at Buchenwald. They also liberated Dora-Mittelbau, Flossenburg, Dachau, and Mauthausen.

British forces liberated concentration camps in northern Germany, including Neuengamme and Bergen-Belsen. They entered the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp, near Celle, in mid-April 1945. Some 60,000 prisoners, most in critical condition because of a typhus epidemic, were found alive. More than 10,000 of them died from the effects of malnutrition or disease within a few weeks of liberation.

Liberators confronted unspeakable conditions in the Nazi camps, where piles of corpses lay unburied. Only after the liberation of these camps was the full scope of Nazi horrors exposed to the world. The small percentage of inmates who survived resembled skeletons because of the demands of forced labor and the lack of food, compounded by months and years of maltreatment. Many were so weak that they could hardly move. Disease remained an ever-present danger, and many of the camps had to be burned down to prevent the spread of epidemics. Survivors of the camps faced a long and difficult road to recovery.

196 CEQAttorney  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:37:10am

re: #82 song_and_dance_man

The father of Sam Gamwise?

That's Samwise Gamgee's father, Hamfast "Gaffer" Gamgee.

Get your LotR references straight!

(Yes, I am a LotR nerd).

197 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:37:14am

re: #175 Charles

This isn't just a "gaffe," folks. It's a cynical, deliberate attempt to invoke Auschwitz for political gain. And he had to know he was lying.

President Zelig!

198 tfc3rid  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:37:15am

Obama is trying to make that mystical move toward the center now...

Sadly, the media is going to help him get away with it...

199 lawhawk  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:37:21am

re: #188 Nevergiveup

*turning blue* /heh

200 bosforus  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:37:24am

Is Said Obama the uncle in question?

201 Honorary Yooper  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:37:24am

re: #185 Peacekeeper

Charles, for that to be true you would have us believe that he's currently kissing up to the Jewish vote.

I would think him to be doing exactly that.

Call me cynical, but I've followed Illinois politics too long not to be.

202 Cygnus  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:37:31am

re: #179 Honorary Yooper

Was his name George Zip?

Let's win one for The Zipper!

203 MES41067  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:37:42am

He knew before he didn't know and its true.

204 thedopefishlives  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:37:44am

re: #175 Charles

Charles, when I read comments like Obama's, part of me thinks that no one could ever possibly be that stupid. But when you look at the whole of his missteps, mistakes, and waffle-eating episodes throughout the campaign, I'm starting to get the impression that Obama may just be the next Dick Gephardt, inventing convenient "friends" (or in Obama's case, "relatives") in an attempt to gain political points by "knowing people". In which case, my inner self is wrong; yes, someone _really is_ that stupid.

205 jcm  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:37:53am

Obama gaffe.

On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes — and I see many of them in the audience here today — our sense of patriotism is particularly strong.
206 Sounder  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:37:57am

That is what happens when you are so full of yourself ... and other stuff.

207 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:38:16am

re: #171 ironbill

I'm no Hillary fan but this is the same as "sniper gate." Will the MSM consider as so?

no film though

208 Peacekeeper  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:38:55am

It wasn't Auschwitz, it was {mumble]and it was not my uncle it was my [coughing]...
and that's why the Jewish Community will always be special to me.

209 David Simon  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:39:14am

re: #205 jcm

Obama gaffe.

Great catch.

210 bosforus  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:39:21am

re: #207 unrealizedviewpoint

no film though

But CBS will be put in the spotlight and therefore Obama's statement will be also.

211 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:39:25am

re: #205 jcm

Obama gaffe.

Where is the video of this? I want video!

212 incanus  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:39:26am

re: #123 The Other Les

Well the racial humor probably doesn't translate as well in Russian.

"Are you out of your mind Comrade! That man is a niii..."

... nekulturny?

213 Sharmuta  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:39:50am

According to wiki- it was his Grandfather who served in WWII.

Uncle, Grandpa- what's the difference?

214 bulwrk  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:40:05am

re: #159 Opinionated

The U.S. Army did liberate labor camps in Germany, Ohrdruf for one.

215 Charles  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:40:36am

re: #211 unrealizedviewpoint

Where is the video of this? I want video!

216 .45ACP  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:40:44am

Obama's Great great grandfather fought with the Union when the Confederacy attacked Pearl Bailey.

217 Tumulus11  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:40:49am

. Barry's gonna get caught.

218 offendi  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:41:22am

No doubt the story will be clarified :

The mother ship, piloted by Louie Farrakhan swooped down low over the camp, dropping Obama's uncle and Jeremiah Wright off to liberate the Jews. I mean, it would seem totally plausible to most Obama supporters.

219 Peacekeeper  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:41:42am

re: #216 .45ACP

The Mouth will rise again!

220 coquimbojoe  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:42:00am

re: #169 jcm

His mom was an only child. Can't be that uncle.

Ann Dunham was born in Fort Leavenworth, Kansas[3] while her father was in the military.[4] She was named after her father,[3] who reportedly gave his daughter and only child his name because he had wanted a boy; however, she was referred to as "Ann".[5]

Nice catch!

221 Intrepid  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:42:09am

re: #198 tfc3rid

Obama is trying to make that mystical move toward the center now...

Sadly, the media is going to help him get away with it...

Seems like the only way Obama can get to the middle is to lie his way there, since he doesn't have any real "middle ground" policy ideas.

Popcorn consumption moments now switch to Obama speeches in anticipation of what kind of bull hockey he's gonna spew out next.

222 incanus  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:42:21am

re: #148 song_and_dance_man

If only he had teleprompter where ever he goes.

Fuck you San Diego!

/Ron Burgundy

223 DistantThunder  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:42:24am

On another war front:

re: #183 yitzy

CHARLES,

I humbly suggest a 24-hour or so rule here. The Americans did liberate several OTHER camps. (I had a Sunday school teacher who was among the U.S. forces that did.)

Research of Army records MIGHT show that Barry's uncle was among THOSE American forces. Then it becomes an "Oops, got the camp wrong, along with a typical Right Wing Over-reaction.

Just a thought.

P.S. Obama scares the hell out of me.

How do you screw up the name of a concentration camp when you're telling a family story. Wouldn't that be a MAIN detail of the story?

224 opnion  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:42:54am

re: #216 .45ACP

Obama's Great great grandfather fought with the Union when the Confederacy attacked Pearl Bailey.


Just proves that they were all just racist crackers.
Where they bitter Confederates from Pennsylvania?

225 Peacekeeper  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:42:57am

Next up:
Arbor day: Where Barrack remembers the "silent holocaust" of Dutch Elm Disease.

226 alegrias  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:43:11am

John McCain is so old he was alive during World War II and wrote a book about his father & grandfather's military services and got the facts straight.

227 NR Pax  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:43:17am

I suppose it's too much to Hope that the Democrats Change who their candidate will be?

228 jamgarr  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:43:20am

Boast Traumatic Stress Disorder

229 maddogg  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:43:21am

Someone needs to ask Obama which war that was in, and what years it was fought.

230 NoSubmission  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:43:37am

re: #144 EC Marm

One of these days, I should update that picture with Ban Ki-moon. I have a feeling it might come in handy again.


I think a Dinnerjacket/B.H.O. combo would work nicely too.

231 looking closely  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:43:39am

re: #192 Intrepid

Since it is arguably the most infamous of all the camps, I would highly doubt it if he just confused one of the smaller ones with that monstrosity.

Regardless, if he actually had one clue about WWII history he would have instinctively known that, unless this supposed "uncle" was in the Soviet army, there was no way he could have been part of the liberating force.

Shows Obama is not only an empty suit, he's got an empty head, and he's also got a pants on fire liar title, to boot.

Let's see what the "backlash" on this one is.
I'm not optimistic.

Incidentally, MY grandfather actually *did* serve in the Russian army as a sniper. He was critically wounded in the Battle of Stalingrad (partially paralyzed in his left hand the rest of his life), and (no s@#&) received the Order of Lenin for his actions.

It came in handy, because after the war, when there were massive food shortages , he used to show his medal and skip right to the head of the line.

Of course, I never learned about ANY of this while he was alive, because like many (most?) of that era, he never ever talked about anything that happened during the war afterwards.

232 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:43:58am

re: #215 Charles

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Thank you!

233 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:44:32am

re: #225 Peacekeeper

Next up:
Arbor day: Where Barrack remembers the "silent holocaust" of Dutch Elm Disease.

But his Uncle flew to Israel to plant all those trees around Jerusalem. I mean after he came down from the attic.

234 EC Marm  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:44:42am

re: #213 Sharmuta

Uncle, Grandpa- what's the difference?


After sniffing around the internets this morning I can tell you the "uncle" story is brand new. The implication that this same uncle suffered from some form of PTSD is new, too. I sure hope the MSM pins his ass on this one.
Should I hold my breath?

235 offendi  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:44:52am

re: #197 Ward Cleaver

President Zelig!

Obama is probably firing up the DeLorean for his trip back to the past /future even as we type.

236 yitzy  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:44:53am

re: #216 .45ACP

Obama's Great great grandfather fought with the Union when the Confederacy attacked Pearl Bailey.

No. Obama's Great Great Great Uncle fought with the Onion when the Confectioners attacked Yitzchak Pearlman. I think.

237 Cygnus  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:44:53am

re: #205 jcm

Obama gaffe.

And Washington State voter registration for you fallen heroes will be tomorrow at 9.

238 coquimbojoe  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:44:58am

re: #223 DistantThunder

On another war front:

How do you screw up the name of a concentration camp when you're telling a family story. Wouldn't that be a MAIN detail of the story?

In post 169 JCM made the point that Obama's mother was an only child. So it falls to reason that Obama's Kenyan Uncle did the heavy lifting on liberating Auschwitz...

239 Spiny Norman  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:45:06am
Is there a point at which the media will start calling Barack Obama out for his absolutely stunning lack of historical knowledge, and his willingness to lie at the drop of a hat?

He's making it up as he goes, and the media shills LOVE it!

re: #205 jcm

Obama gaffe.

On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes — and I see many of them in the audience here today — our sense of patriotism is particularly strong.

Yes, it's true. The Obamessiah sees dead people.

Hey! If Shrillary can commune with Eleanor Roosevelt...

240 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:45:20am

re: #223 DistantThunder

On another war front:

How do you screw up the name of a concentration camp when you're telling a family story. Wouldn't that be a MAIN detail of the story?

One could screw it up if one wanted a gotcha moment that could be proven false. Yikes!

241 Iron Fist[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:45:22am
242 stuiec  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:45:32am

Here is an account of actual American heroes actually liberating an actual Nazi concentration camp. Reading this account, I do have to ask: where is this war's Muslim-American Brigade?

GO FOR BROKE - 522nd FIELD ARTILLERY BATTALION

On April 29, 1945, several scouts were east of Munich in the small Bavarian town of Lager Lechfield when they saw a sight they would never forget. The Nisei came upon some barracks encircled by barbed wire. Technician Fourth Grade Ichiro Imamura described it in his diary:

“I watched as one of the scouts used his carbine to shoot off the chain that held the prison gates shut. . . They weren’t dead, as he had first thought. When the gates swung open, we got our first good look at the prisoners. Many of them were Jews. They were wearing striped prison suits and round caps. It was cold and the snow was two feet deep in some places. There were no German guards. The prisoners struggled to their feet. . . They shuffled weakly out of the compound. They were like skeletons - all skin and bones. . .”


Holocaust historians conclude that the Nisei liberated Kaufering IV Hurlach. This camp housed about 3,000 prisoners. Hurlach was one of 169 subordinate slave labor camps of Dachau. Dachau, like Auschwitz, Buchenwald, Mathausen and Ravensbruck, was surrounded by hundreds of sub-camps. In Germany alone, there were 956 sub-camps.

In the spring of 1944, the Nazis built Hurlach and 11 other camps around Landsberg and Kaufering. More people were killed in these camps in less than a year than were murdered in the main Dachau camp in more than 13 years of operation. Fifteen thousand people were worked to death building jet fighters for the German air force. The slave laborers were Jews from Hungary, Poland and Lithuania. Most survived less than four months in the camps.

On April 29, Charles Feibelman, a Jewish Captain and forward observer in the 522nd witnessed the liberation of Hurlach. Feibelman had left Europe in the 1930s and studied law in the United States. He found out later that several members of his family were murdered in Auschwitz.

The Nisei found Hurlach mostly deserted because Hitler and Himmler had already ordered the concentration camp commanders to march the prisoners south to the Austrian border, away from the advancing Allied armies...

In the spring of 1945, the men in the 522nd had participated in one of the greatest ironies of World War II. Members of a persecuted minority, the Japanese Americans reached out to members of another persecuted minority, the European Jews. These two minority groups were victims of the most blatant disregard for civil liberties and human rights that a government ever perpetrated against its people - one for being of Japanese ancestry, the other for being of the Jewish faith.

Lieutenant James Kurata said:

“What I saw. . . was too horrible for words to describe. It was pitiful. How could anyone be that cruel to human beings? We didn’t know how important what we were doing was in liberating the death march of Dachau.”

243 Render  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:45:53am

While independent US Army combat brigades did exist and operate on the Western European front during WW2, such was fairly rare in an army organized upon the regimental structure for combat units and brigade structure for support units, as the US Army was at the time.

Sir Basil Liddell-Hart - History of The Second World War
Edwin Hoyt - The GI's War.

STUCK
ON
STUPID,
R

244 NoSubmission  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:45:59am

re: #169 jcm

His mom was an only child. Can't be that uncle.

Ann Dunham was born in Fort Leavenworth, Kansas[3] while her father was in the military.[4] She was named after her father,[3] who reportedly gave his daughter and only child his name because he had wanted a boy; however, she was referred to as "Ann".[5]


Wait! Her given first name is 'Stanley'!'?!? Whoa.
This might be the very root of it all..

245 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:46:14am
246 MJ  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:46:40am

Maybe Obama's advisor on Holocaust affairs in Norman Finkelstein.

247 cavallino_rampante  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:46:48am

Hey, I'm tired of this guy.

248 SpiritOf1683  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:46:49am

Knowing this clown, he probably thinks Tehran's in Scotland.

249 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:46:49am

re: #239 Spiny Norman

Yes, it's true. The Obamessiah sees dead people.

Hey! If Shrillary can commune with Eleanor Roosevelt...

Well lets be Honest here, the ability to see and also register Dead People is a vital skill in Chicago Politics.

250 gymnast  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:46:55am

Obama is an ignorant POS that says things that other ignorant POS's believe or pretend to believe because they like to eat Obama's S.

251 bitsy  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:47:03am

re: #175 Charles

This isn't just a "gaffe," folks. It's a cynical, deliberate attempt to invoke Auschwitz for political gain. And he had to know he was lying.

So if Bush "lied," what the hell do moonbats call this one? "Speaking truth to power", I suppose.

252 jcm  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:47:21am

re: #237 Cygnus

And Washington State voter registration for you fallen heroes will be tomorrow at 9.

You owe me a keyboard.
LMAO! (I live in King Co.)

253 Noam Sayin'  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:47:37am

Everyone who is able, go to your attic right now. I bet most of us wouldn't be able to spend six hours up there, let alone six months.

254 DistantThunder  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:47:59am

re: #251 bitsy

So if Bush "lied," what the hell do moonbats call this one? "Speaking truth to power", I suppose.

They call it ...Talking

255 alegrias  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:48:26am

re: #231 looking closely

Let's see what the "backlash" on this one is.
I'm not optimistic.

Incidentally, MY grandfather actually *did* serve in the Russian army as a sniper. He was critically wounded in the Battle of Stalingrad (partially paralyzed in his left hand the rest of his life), and (no s@#&) received the Order of Lenin for his actions.

It came in handy, because after the war, when there were massive food shortages , he used to show his medal and skip right to the head of the line.

Of course, I never learned about ANY of this while he was alive, because like many (most?) of that era, he never ever talked about anything that happened during the war afterwards.

* * *
Maybe your Russian uncle wounded my 17 year old German uncle at Stalingrad! Hit him right through both legs, shrapnel everywhere, two years recovering in military hospital. Then became a doctor. As an American teen I would torment him for being on the wrong side--cruel of me since Wehrmacht service was imposed on him, not his choice.

256 bosforus  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:48:30am

re: #253 Noam Sayin'

Everyone who is able, go to your attic right now. I bet most of us wouldn't be able to spend six hours up there, let alone six months.

Not that I really believe Obama's story, but it depends on what might be waiting for me at the bottom of the attic stairs.

257 saberry0530  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:48:41am

Its really easy..
Obama...
ONCE A COMMIE,
ALways a COMMIE

258 Yankee Division Son  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:48:49am

re: #251 bitsy

So if Bush "lied," what the hell do moonbats call this one? "Speaking truth to power", I suppose.

"Just Words.."

259 Ojoe  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:49:02am

Obama does not even seem to be able to talk about the military without implying disrespect: post traumatic stress, and all that; gee we have unstable killers and psycho cases coming back from the war; we superior democrats must help these abused people.

It is disgusting to hear him.

I hope he is defeated in a landslide and we are spared his pronouncements furthermore.

260 jorline  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:49:08am

Hey! What's the big deal?

If Al Gore can invent the Internet why can't Barry have an uncle that liberated Auschwitz?

Lighten up you hard-ass lizards!

261 Cygnus  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:49:11am

re: #242 stuiec

Here is an account of actual American heroes actually liberating an actual Nazi concentration camp. Reading this account, I do have to ask: where is this war's Muslim-American Brigade?

GO FOR BROKE - 522nd FIELD ARTILLERY BATTALION

They were in the Middle East helping the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.

262 CEQAttorney  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:49:11am

re: #183 yitzy

CHARLES,

I humbly suggest a 24-hour or so rule here. The Americans did liberate several OTHER camps. (I had a Sunday school teacher who was among the U.S. forces that did.)

Research of Army records MIGHT show that Barry's uncle was among THOSE American forces. Then it becomes an "Oops, got the camp wrong, along with a typical Right Wing Over-reaction.

Just a thought.

P.S. Obama scares the hell out of me.

Even if we gave him the benefit of a doubt on (1) which camp was liberated; and (2) it being his grand-uncle versus his uncle, I cannot find any indication that any of his grand-uncles on his father's side ever left Kenya and I cannot find any evidence of a grand-uncle on his mother's side.

Essentially, there is nothing to support his assertion.

The biggest problem I have with this is that not a single major media group stopped and said "wait a second..." In the normal course of events, when a candidate makes a mistake, a spokesman clarifies what he meant. We got none of that here.

263 GreenDroll  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:49:13am

President Obama!
Able to eradicate the countries problems with mere talk!
Bothered by all of that troublesome history? Forgetaboutit!
Muhluhs with nukes? Not on his watch!
Bad economy? Just listen to one of his speeches!
Stalinism, here we come!

264 yitzy  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:49:40am

re: #223 DistantThunder

On another war front:


How do you screw up the name of a concentration camp when you're telling a family story. Wouldn't that be a MAIN detail of the story?

All I'm saying is that I can't remember all the details, even major ones, of all the stories my grandparents told me 20 or 30 years ago.

I say hate Obama for his bad policy ideas, his complete lack of experience, his wife, his black victimhood, his Commie friends, and his pandering. Just be a little careful getting worked up about something that COULD be defeneded as a forgotten detail.

265 slartybartfast  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:49:53am

Maybe (in BHO's mind) "Auschwitz" is for concentration camps what "Kleenix" is for disposible tissues(?).

There's something else here that bothers me. Compare BHO's comment with Markos Moulitsas on Bill Maher's show:

BHO: "...every single veteran, when they are discharged, are screened for post-traumatic stress disorder and given the mental health services that they need..."

Markos and Maher:

Maher: "But, even if it was a giant victory tomorrow...the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq will cost, in ten years, $2.4 trillion..."
Moulitsas: "that doesn't include care for the veterans who are coming back, screwed up--"
Maher: "No, I think that does."
Moulitsas: "Oh, it does? Okay."


Is there some fixation on mental disorder here?

266 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:50:49am

re: #255 alegrias

* * *
Maybe your Russian uncle wounded my 17 year old German uncle at Stalingrad! Hit him right through both legs, shrapnel everywhere, two years recovering in military hospital. Then became a doctor. As an American teen I would torment him for being on the wrong side--cruel of me since Wehrmacht service was imposed on him, not his choice.

Your uncle was lucky. If he had not been shot and evacuated, he probably would never have made it.

267 Silhouette  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:51:20am

re: #106 Kenneth

I am not knocking them. I am attacking Obama and most of the left's patronizing "concern" that is nothing more than treating all veterans as victims. If I thought for a moment their concern for injuries, both visible and invisble, was genuine, I wouldn't speak, but when they just as easily agree that our troops are terrorizing Iraqi grandmothers, or that their mission there is pointless, I doubt they really "support the troops."

And he said that every single one of them needs screening. I pointed out that not all do. Yes, yes, screening, not treatment, but I firmly believe he meant to imply all our troops were injured, in the same fake concern that the media uses when they give the weekly death toll. "Look at all the damage this pointless war is doing."

Nonetheless, unlike politcal non-apology apologies ("I'm sorry you saw it that way"), I'll say that if you or anyone thought I was sneering at anyone for having a reaction to battle, I take full responsibility for the misunderstanding and apologize for poor choice of words.

268 opnion  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:51:41am

look this is nitpicking. This is his truth, ok?
He wants it to be true , so that he gets some pro Jewish cred.
I draw the line though , if he claims that he used to be married to Morgan Fairchild. She's my first wife. yeah thats it, thats the ticket

269 incanus  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:51:41am

re: #251 bitsy

So if Bush "lied," what the hell do moonbats call this one? "Speaking truth to power", I suppose.

"Truthiness"

270 Cygnus  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:51:45am

re: #252 jcm

You owe me a keyboard.
LMAO! (I live in King Co.)

Send me a bill. I live in Snohomish Co. (formerly King Co.). It's a little less moonbatty here, thank G-d.

271 dominic yeso  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:52:13am

Obama's ignorance is simply amazing.

272 coquimbojoe  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:52:22am

re: #262 CEQAttorney

Hey Obama, we will fact check your ass faster than you can make 'em up. Keep trying though, this is fun!

273 Honorary Yooper  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:52:36am

re: #265 slartybartfast

Maybe (in BHO's mind) "Auschwitz" is for concentration camps what "Kleenix" is for disposible tissues(?).

There's something else here that bothers me. Compare BHO's comment with Markos Moulitsas on Bill Maher's show:


Is there some fixation on mental disorder here?

Maybe because Markos is a mental disorder?

274 DistantThunder  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:52:37am

Readers digest, true story:

A man goes to the ER, and is sent to the VA hospital. VA calls the ER back to tell them that he's not a vet. The ER attendant says: But he said he's a WWII vet. VA nurse informs her: Wrong side.

275 right_on_target  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:52:41am

Basically Obama trivialized the significance of the NAZI Concentration Camps in WWII by pandering to Jewish voters.
You'll see this happen again and again.
There were over a million GIs in the European Theater and not everyone "freed" a camp. But his uncle did!
This is akin to phony veterans who embellish their "war" records. Obama is not a veteran so he has to embellish or produce a non-existent relative's record.

276 Dad O' Blondes  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:52:47am

Obama's grasp of US history, his understanding of military engagements, etc. is appallingly poor.

I can't believe he was accepted to and graduated from Columbia University, and then Harvard Law.

He sometimes sounds like an unschooled imbecile.

.

277 neverquit  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:52:57am

I've got it! It was when his grandfather/Kenyan Uncle (same person you see) was in Poland liberating the Jews from the Nazis on the side of the Soviets - that he met Zbigniew Brezinski's father and there they began formulating 21st Century Communist Influenced Democratic Appeasement Policy...

What's the big deal? Why can't you guys see that? Makes perfect sense to me...

;)

278 Intrepid  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:53:13am

re: #259 Ojoe

What concerns me most about this November is that Bob Barr now has the Libertarian nomination - how many votes will he siphon off from McCain?

It could very well be another Pat Buchanan '92 thing. Unless Ralph Nader starts making sense in what he says, that is. Nader could probably pick up a few thousand more votes if he'd just dry-clean and press his suits and ties!

279 Kenneth  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:53:22am

re: #116 Dave the...

Yes, Shell shock was the nick name, only later when military docs were studying the issue did they start to call it PTSD.

Mandy: Re PTSD: Very true. Other extreme violence can cause PTSD.

280 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:53:31am
281 alegrias  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:53:48am

re: #266 Nevergiveup

Your uncle was lucky. If he had not been shot and evacuated, he probably would never have made it.

* * *
You're right, he said they basically ran all the way home from Stalingrad.

282 yitzy  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:53:52am

re: #262 CEQAttorney

Even if we gave him the benefit of a doubt on (1) which camp was liberated; and (2) it being his grand-uncle versus his uncle, I cannot find any indication that any of his grand-uncles on his father's side ever left Kenya and I cannot find any evidence of a grand-uncle on his mother's side.

Essentially, there is nothing to support his assertion.

The biggest problem I have with this is that not a single major media group stopped and said "wait a second..." In the normal course of events, when a candidate makes a mistake, a spokesman clarifies what he meant. We got none of that here.

You are correct about the media not picking up on this.

283 nyc redneck  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:54:11am

he also doesn't even know what memorial day means. rush is talking now abt. b.o.'s speech to veterans.
he said in his buffoonish pandering uh, uh, uh, way that he sees many of the veterans before him in the audience who memorial day honors.
and of course, contrast that w/ pres. bush's speech in which he speaks of our fallen heros who gave all for our country.
it's abt. honoring the deceased. that's why it is called 'decoration day'.
osama is such a moron.

284 bitsy  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:54:18am

re: #205 jcm

On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes — and I see many of them in the audience here today — our sense of patriotism is particularly strong.

I see dead people!

285 tfc3rid  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:54:31am

re: #229 maddogg

Someone needs to ask Obama which war that was in, and what years it was fought.

And the reason(s) why the war ended when it did...

286 Cygnus  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:54:32am

re: #255 alegrias

* * *
Maybe your Russian uncle wounded my 17 year old German uncle at Stalingrad! Hit him right through both legs, shrapnel everywhere, two years recovering in military hospital. Then became a doctor. As an American teen I would torment him for being on the wrong side--cruel of me since Wehrmacht service was imposed on him, not his choice.

I knew somebody years ago whose dad was in the Wehrmacht. He had some amazing stories. I think his dad was drafted, too.

287 Iron Fist[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:54:33am
288 Ojoe  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:54:37am

re: #278 Intrepid

I hope Hillary goes 3rd party.

289 yochanan  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:54:48am

re: #264 yitzy

this isn't a minor detail he is a bold faced lier. not much different from hill's bosnia events

290 Honorary Yooper  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:54:55am

re: #279 Kenneth

Yes, Shell shock was the nick name, only later when military docs were studying the issue did they start to call it PTSD.

Mandy: Re PTSD: Very true. Other extreme violence can cause PTSD.

Yep, and not just human-on-human violence. It's seen in natural disaster victims.

291 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:55:17am
292 jcm  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:55:23am

re: #270 Cygnus

Send me a bill. I live in Snohomish Co. (formerly King Co.). It's a little less moonbatty here, thank G-d.

I work in Lynnwood.
Reverse commute on I-5.

293 Ojoe  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:55:36am

I have to refrain myself from calling Obama a

294 DistantThunder  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:55:36am

I think the media knows it probably isn't true...and they are covering for him.

295 saberry0530  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:56:03am

re: #276 Dad O' Blondes

Obama's grasp of US history, his understanding of military engagements, etc. is appallingly poor.

I can't believe he was accepted to and graduated from Columbia University, and then Harvard Law.

He sometimes sounds like an is an underschooled imbecile.

.

Better.

296 tfc3rid  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:56:28am

re: #284 bitsy

I see dead people!

Well, he is the Messiah...

/

297 nyc redneck  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:56:41am

re: #259 Ojoe

Obama does not even seem to be able to talk about the military without implying disrespect: post traumatic stress, and all that; gee we have unstable killers and psycho cases coming back from the war; we superior democrats must help these abused people.

It is disgusting to hear him.

I hope he is defeated in a landslide and we are spared his pronouncements furthermore.

he can't be positive or optimistic abt. anything, regarding our country. it's all bad or broken and of course he/s the one to fix it.
he has such a negative attitude. i hate being around people like this, they are toxic.

298 NoSubmission  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:56:55am

re: #283 nyc redneck
If Obsama weren't so dangerous, this would be high entertainment.

299 alegrias  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:57:14am

re: #276 Dad O' Blondes

Obama's grasp of US history, his understanding of military engagements, etc. is appallingly poor.

I can't believe he was accepted to and graduated from Columbia University, and then Harvard Law.

He sometimes sounds like an unschooled imbecile.

.

* * *
Since when is US history or military history required for admission to ivy league?

COMMUNITY organizing is community service, comrade.
All you need is love for "community."
The right community.

300 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:57:20am
301 MJ  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:57:41am

I bet Obama saw this film on PBS and then decided to graft his fake story onto this fake story:

Doubts Mar PBS Film of Black Army Unit

...The film, "The Liberators," viewed by an audience of 3.7 million, portrayed the neglected history of the 761st Battalion, putting considerable stress on the involvement of some of its members at the liberations of two of the most notorious camps in Germany, Dachau and Buchenwald. 'PBS-Gate Follies,' Veteran Says

Last month, the film was nominated for an Academy Award for best documentary. Before that, black and Jewish leaders gathered at a special showing at the Apollo Theater in Harlem and spoke of the two people's common history of oppression. The Rev. Jesse Jackson urged that it be distributed in all high schools.

The problem is that Mr. Williams -- and journalists, researchers and many other war veterans -- contend that a central element of the film, the role of black soldiers from the 761st in the liberation of those particular camps, is simply not true.

"It's the PBS-gate follies," said Mel Rappaport, a veteran of the Sixth Armored Division, which, he said, did liberate Buchenwald.

[Link: query.nytimes.com...]

302 David Simon  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:58:05am

re: #294 DistantThunder

I think the media knows it probably isn't true...and they are covering for him.

Not too hard to fathom. I suspect if a Republican had made a gaffe like this, they'd be all over it.

303 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:58:13am

re: #184 lawhawk

I'm waiting for Jewish groups to come out and start questioning this nonsense.

And then be called racist and ungrateful 30 seconds later.

304 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:58:26am
305 alegrias  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:58:28am

re: #278 Intrepid

What concerns me most about this November is that Bob Barr now has the Libertarian nomination - how many votes will he siphon off from McCain?

It could very well be another Pat Buchanan '92 thing. Unless Ralph Nader starts making sense in what he says, that is. Nader could probably pick up a few thousand more votes if he'd just dry-clean and press his suits and ties!

* * *
Amazing how single issue voters throw away their vote and harm the nation's interest in surviving, to make their sole point about issue X.

306 Intrepid  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:58:44am

re: #288 Ojoe

I hope Hillary goes 3rd party.

The Clintons have backed themselves into a corner and seem to have indicated they won't go down without a real fight (read: in Denver) If the dems don't offer her some sort of nice consolation prize, she's a real threat.

307 Kenneth  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:58:53am

re: #267 Silhouette

Very well said. I didn't mean to say you were sneering at vets with PTSD. I was just trying to say it's a real "injury" and the vets with it are no less deserving of our respect.

As an aside: what do you suppose Obama's uncle/grandfather from Patton's army would have though of Obama's so-called foreign policy?

308 Cygnus  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:59:04am

re: #296 tfc3rid

Well, he is the Messiah...

/

Sorry, Obama, that job position has already been filled.

309 jamgarr  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:59:10am

Investigative Journalism 101

Reporter(to Obama spokesman): Please clarify for me Mr. Obama's comment about his uncle helping to liberate Aushwitz.

/Simple - one question - truth out (or lame spin out) - one or the other

310 incanus  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:59:27am

re: #304 song_and_dance_man

Are we not a Charger fan?

Watch Anchorman and you will understand.

311 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:59:31am

One thing that we can not put on Obama...Selfishness.

He just gives and gives and gives.

312 Scorch  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:59:56am

I will not be swift boated!

313 incanus  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:00:00am

re: #310 incanus

Watch Anchorman and you will understand.

(It's a teleprompter reference, and a funny one I thought) =)

314 stuiec  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:00:08am

re: #261 Cygnus

They were in the Middle East helping the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.

Funny.

No, I mean, where's the brigade formed of Muslim-Americans who flooded the recruitment offices on Sept. 12, 2001? You know, to prove that the events of the previous day were an affront to their religion and their patriotism?

The Nisei Brigades were recruited from Japanese-American volunteers in Hawaii who'd been denied the opportunity to fight in the early days after Pearl Harbor and from the Japanese-American internees in the Continental U.S. who wanted the chance to prove that their families were wrongfully suspected of sedition. Given their record in combat, the Nisei soldiers proved pretty definitively that they loved the U.S. and that they were willing to pay any price to demonstrate their patriotic zeal.

I don't hear much about Muslim-American soldiers in the fight against al-Qaeda -- except for that one fellow who fragged his officers in Kuwait just before the invasion of Iraq.

315 J.D.  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:00:15am

re: #279 Kenneth

Mandy: Re PTSD: Very true. Other extreme violence can cause PTSD.


And disasters as well, such as hurricanes.

316 Just Another Four-letter Word  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:00:17am

re: #15 Gjergj Skënderbeu

You see, with comments like these from Barry, you can just tell he's a different kind of politician.

No he's not! Same crap, different day, different venue.

Same old same old.

JAFLW

317 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:00:24am

Maybe he is talking about his Uncle Sam?

/ In that case my Uncle just landed on Mars.

318 looking closely  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:00:28am

re: #255 alegrias

* * *
Maybe your Russian uncle wounded my 17 year old German uncle at Stalingrad! Hit him right through both legs, shrapnel everywhere, two years recovering in military hospital. Then became a doctor. As an American teen I would torment him for being on the wrong side--cruel of me since Wehrmacht service was imposed on him, not his choice.

LOL. . .
Unlikely (but it would make a good story!).

My grandfather was apparently indirectly hit by a shell of some kind and literally knocked comatose for two weeks. A piece of shrapnel took out his left ulnar nerve, leaving his hand partially paralyzed.

Apparently he was the only one from his squad who survived (or one of the only ones), and so in true Soviet propaganda style they made a "hero" out of him, and awarded him the Order of Lenin. Maybe he actually did something really heroic. . .maybe not. . .he couldn't remember what happened afterwards!

Anyway, he's gone now, and so are what would probably be a wealth of unbelievable (true) stories.

319 nyc redneck  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:01:04am

re: #291 ploome hineni

and you say he is not the productof affirmative action

/is this what gets admitted to Harvard?

this is why michelle is so belligerent. she knows she got doors opened for her when they should have been slammed in her face and would have been but for quotas.
think abt. the qualified people who were excluded because of those w/the bare minimum of credentials. it is cheating in the worst way.

320 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:01:07am

re: #317 Oh no...Sand People!

Huzzah! We do rock, don't we?

321 Intrepid  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:01:48am

re: #305 alegrias

* * *
Amazing how single issue voters throw away their vote and harm the nation's interest in surviving, to make their sole point about issue X.

They lose not only their battle, but ultimately everyone could lose the war.

322 Just Another Four-letter Word  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:01:52am

re: #22 Sharmuta

His uncle liberated Aushwitz. Uh- yeah. And I'm a smurf.

Huh?!? You're not!?!?

Geez, what a letdown...

JAFLW

323 alegrias  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:01:52am

re: #286 Cygnus

I knew somebody years ago whose dad was in the Wehrmacht. He had some amazing stories. I think his dad was drafted, too.

* * *
Wehrmacht drafted teens such as my uncle from Spain, where he was born to Germans who left Germany in the early 1900s.

324 lobo91  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:01:58am

re: #299 alegrias

COMMUNITY organizing is community service, comrade.
All you need is love for "community."
The right left community.

Fixed that for you.

325 jwehman  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:02:51am

According to [Link: genealogy.about.com...]

Barack's mother had an uncle named Charles W. PAYNE, b. 1924. I searched the military records of someone named that who served in the Army during the liberation period and was born near 1924 and no one matches up.

So - assuming that he really meant "great-uncle Chuck" when he said "uncle", maybe someone else can search better than me and see if there was someone who did serve in the Army and was involved in liberating some concentration camps.

So, the "benefit-of-the-doubt" card would stretch to "great-uncle" and some other camp than "Auschwitz" ...

326 incanus  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:02:58am

Fun with Teleprompters (warning: language)

327 Cygnus  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:02:59am

re: #314 stuiec

Oops - just reread your post and you're right. Sorry.

328 Spiny Norman  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:03:02am

re: #310 incanus

Watch Anchorman and you will understand.

I've seen "fans" of Keith Olbermann, of varying political persuasions from what I can tell, refer to Olby as "Ron Burgundy" on several forums.

Heh.

329 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:03:22am
330 NoSubmission  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:03:35am

Fuggedabout the crazy old uncle in the 'attic' BS. What about the grandfather marching with Patton and grandmother in the bomb factories bits?

331 nyc redneck  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:03:42am

re: #298 NoSubmission

If Obsama weren't so dangerous, this would be high entertainment.

i couldn't agree more.
everyday he shows how ignorant and inept he is. it is piling up and soon they will need a tractor trailer to remove it.

332 Viking6  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:04:00am

re: #41 Silhouette

Dad was with the 3rd Army and fought his way to Bastone and was at
Buchenwald when it was liberated. He was just 23 when he saw the camp. He has told me it was terrible and helped him understand what he had fought for but did affect him in any other way but remain in the Army for another 23 years to make sure it didn't happen again.

333 the_flying_pig  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:04:16am

Barry Obama... the Dan Quayle of the Democratic Party!

334 tfc3rid  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:04:46am

re: #330 NoSubmission

Fuggedabout the crazy old uncle in the 'attic' BS. What about the grandfather marching with Patton and grandmother in the bomb factories bits?

Hey darlin'... Just made plans to be on vacation over the election... I can't stand to be here if we ever might elect this lying dolt to the White House... Ironically, I'll be in Mexico...

335 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:04:57am

re: #309 jamgarr

Investigative Journalism 101

Reporter (to Obama spokesman): Please clarify for me Mr. Obama's comment about his uncle helping to liberate Aushwitz.

/Simple - one question - truth out (or lame spin out) - one or the other

336 Ojoe  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:05:06am

History? What's that?

337 MES41067  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:05:13am

re: #333 the_flying_pig

Barry Obama... the Dan Quayle of the Democratic Party!

Not fair to Dan.

338 tfc3rid  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:05:26am

re: #333 the_flying_pig

Barry Obama... the Dan Quayle of the Democratic Party!

If so, is Obama's 'waffle' the same as Dan Quayle's potato(e) moment?

339 republic  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:05:51am

re: #333 the_flying_pig

Barry Obama... the Dan Quayle of the Democratic Party!

Dan Quayle simply misspoke, one time, or maybe several, Obama is blatently lying, over and over and over, the pattern of pathological liar has long been established.

340 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:05:53am
341 Ojoe  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:06:06am

Piss on history

342 tfc3rid  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:06:07am

re: #336 Ojoe

History? What's that?

History? WE are going to make history by bringing about the Change that this nation has always wanted but never voted into office...

Change begins with YOU!

343 bitsy  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:06:23am

These historical quibbles are a distraction! In your bitterness, do not cling to minor details of 7th grade world history. I am talking about hope, and change ... peace in our time!

/Obamassia

344 incanus  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:06:26am

re: #338 tfc3rid

If so, is Obama's 'waffle' the same as Dan Quayle's potato(e) moment?

Does he spell it "Woffal"?

/obscure spelling joke.

345 Ojoe  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:06:29am

Let's invent things

346 NoSubmission  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:06:32am

How will Obsama's unique military family history revelations affect his approval ratings in Gaza/Tehran/Pakistan?

347 Cygnus  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:06:46am

Don't know much about history...

348 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:06:46am

I really think I hit Obama's upcoming defense spot on:

"Since we have all been 'Man of the Year' according to the TIME magazine, it stands to reason that I was referring to our good Uncle "Sam", the United States, which in essence is the Uncle of us all. All of it's accomplishments are all of ours. All of it's failures are all of ours. We carry the collective good. We carry the collective guilt."

Huh? Huh? Good? The MSM would eat it up

349 incanus  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:06:56am

re: #345 Ojoe

Let's invent things

Ojoe invented toast.

350 NoSubmission  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:06:59am

re: #334 tfc3rid

Hey darlin'... Just made plans to be on vacation over the election... I can't stand to be here if we ever might elect this lying dolt to the White House... Ironically, I'll be in Mexico...


You can run, but you can't hide! There's no escaping it!
LOL

351 bosforus  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:07:11am

Here's some good info about it.
[Link: campaignspot.nationalreview.com...]

352 republic  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:07:14am

re: #342 tfc3rid

History? WE are going to make history by bringing about the Change that this nation has always wanted but never voted into office...

Change begins with YOU!

I'd be happy with simply following the God given U.S. Constitution, thank you.

353 neverquit  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:07:14am

Obama's grasp of history, for a Ivy League graduate, SUCKS.

Ivy League schools should spend more time teaching as opposed to indoctrinating.

354 Render  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:07:15am

re: #314 stuiec

There are enough Muslim-Americans, (estimated at 5,000 to 17,000), serving in the US armed forces to form such a brigade, assuming the US armed forces were still segregated as they were during WW2.

There are also almost 200,000 Iraqi Muslims serving in the allied Iraqi Army and another 80,000 or so Afghan Muslims serving in the allied Afghan Army.

Give credit where credit is due.

REALITY,
R

355 jamgarr  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:07:40am

Don't know much of biology

356 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:07:40am

re: #333 the_flying_pig

Barry Obama... the Dan Quayle of the Democratic Party!

The stakes are somewhat higher considering Quayle was VP and not running for president at a time of war, recession, energy crisis, housing crisis, etc.

357 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:07:41am

re: #347 Cygnus

Don't know much geography...

(fifty some-odd states...or so)

358 Ojoe  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:07:43am

Didn't they have TV, like, during the Civil War?

I've seen those TV Civil War shows.

359 bosforus  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:08:04am

[Link: campaignspot.nationalreview.com...]

Presuming Obama's mother didn't have some previously unknown long-lost brother, is Obama referring to his mother's cousin or some other, more distant relation on his mother's side? A great-uncle perhaps?

This uncle couldn't be on his Kenyan father's side, could it?

I doubt Obama would be insane enough to lie about this. But I think this is the first we've heard of this uncle from Obama. Like with his previously-unmentioned trip to Pakistan, Obama — the subject of two autobiographies, other biographies, and countless magazine and newspaper profiles — there are still chapters of his life story not yet explored.

UPDATE: An Ace of Spades commenter thinks it is Ralph Dunham. I largely concur with the assessment of Campaign Spot reader Dave:

What bothers me about this statement is not that Obama calls his great-uncle "uncle" (I do that myself), or that he doesn't personally know that Uncle Ralph could not have liberated Auschwitz, since the Russians did that, but rather:

1) he doesn't think facts important enough to have a staff member check his old family stories before sharing them

and, more importantly

2) the point of his telling the story was not that his uncle was a hero, but rather a victim, spending several months holed up in an attic, upon his return from the war.

360 jorline  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:08:06am

re: #288 Ojoe

I hope Hillary goes 3rd party.

IMHO, if this happens it will siphon votes off of McCain.

361 tfc3rid  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:08:07am

So he uncle helped liberate Auscwitz... Did Barry-O even make mention to the millions of Jews killed in the holocaust or did he leave open the possibility he is a denier?

362 Ojoe  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:08:12am

re: #349 incanus

Sasquatch invented Orange Juice

363 Cygnus  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:08:14am

...

364 alegrias  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:08:22am

re: #318 looking closely

LOL. . .
Unlikely (but it would make a good story!).

My grandfather was apparently indirectly hit by a shell of some kind and literally knocked comatose for two weeks. A piece of shrapnel took out his left ulnar nerve, leaving his hand partially paralyzed.

Apparently he was the only one from his squad who survived (or one of the only ones), and so in true Soviet propaganda style they made a "hero" out of him, and awarded him the Order of Lenin. Maybe he actually did something really heroic. . .maybe not. . .he couldn't remember what happened afterwards!

Anyway, he's gone now, and so are what would probably be a wealth of unbelievable (true) stories.

* * *
Russia lost so many millions, truly our ancestors and veterans of these horrific world wars knew suffering, hunger & pain few of us can imagine. Like you,I too wish I had asked more questions and written down facts/recollections of those terrible times.

365 Is it me?  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:08:33am

What a tangled web we weave
When first we practice to deceive

Is BO that stupid or is it his speechwriters/aides.
This sort of thing can be easily checked.
Between shovelling waffles in his gob, alternated with both feet it's a wonder he has time to speak at all.
All these gaffes are very amusing but the undercurrent isn't.
He seems to think that he can say anything at all and people will swallow it or he will be allowed to get away with this sort of thing. It's outrageous.
Hope and Change is about all he's got.
He hopes to change America into something else entirely. Look at the damage he has done just in the primaries. At the moment I think he poses a bigger threat to American than Iran. Be afraid, be very afraid.
*shiver*

366 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:08:48am

re: #349 incanus

Ojoe invented toast.

367 Cygnus  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:09:08am

re: #345 Ojoe

Let's invent things

Al Gore spent Memorial Day weekend inventing the warp drive.

368 jamgarr  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:09:09am

Don't know much about the Middle Ages

369 NoSubmission  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:09:17am

So how's he going spin/damage control this one?

370 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:09:49am

re: #369 NoSubmission

So how's he going spin/damage control this one?

See my post at #348.

371 Ojoe  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:09:51am

re: #366 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That's the Obama theme song IMHO

372 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:09:53am

re: #368 jamgarr

Don't know much about the Middle Ages

Look at the pictures and I turn the pages.

373 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:10:00am
374 MES41067  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:10:05am

re: #369 NoSubmission

So how's he going spin/damage control this one?

He wont have too.

375 Kenneth  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:10:31am

re: #175 Charles

I'm not sure that Obama "knew" that he was lying. He has soaked in the mental swamp of leftism his entire life. His entire education has been about "facts" which are conditional upon a militant agenda: Marxism, Black Liberation Theology, or the imperative to get elected in November. Just as he says he can "see many of them (fallen heroes) in the audience today", and not realize he just said he sees dead people, Obama knows these are "meaningful" phrases that serve his purpose, and therefore are "true".

376 NoSubmission  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:10:32am

Do you think he bragged about his military uncle when he met Ayers?

377 alegrias  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:10:38am

re: #321 Intrepid

They lose not only their battle, but ultimately everyone could lose the war.

* * *
Which is why like troops sacrifice their personal freedoms for a greater cause, I'm holding my nose to vote for McCain to fight for my country! Because winning this war is everything.

No thanks to Jimmy Carter for giving us a losing hand thirty years ago.

378 Ojoe  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:10:42am

re: #368 jamgarr

The Middle Ages were very creative, the Cathedrals were built then.

379 Iron Fist[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:10:44am
380 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:10:49am

re: #345 Ojoe

Let's invent things

I am the Emperor of the Americas and have designed a car that runs on toast.

381 jamgarr  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:10:54am

But I do know that I love you
And I know that if you love me too
What a wonderful world this would be

/David Bromberg's version rocks!

382 Athos  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:11:00am

re: #369 NoSubmission

He doesn't need to. The lamestream media will ignore it and it will quietly disappear.

383 bulwrk  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:11:10am

The msm will cover for him by claiming that he didn't state it as fact just a family legend and after all what family doesn't have some kooky legend.

384 J.D.  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:11:21am

re: #365 Is it me?

What a tangled web we weave
When first we practice to deceive


Sir Walter Scott

Obama's most likely response (assuming there may be one):

“I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.”
385 Athos  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:11:37am

re: #377 alegrias

No thanks to Jimmy Carter for giving us a losing hand thirty years ago.

Not to mention the finger multiple times since then.

386 incanus  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:12:19am

re: #359 bosforus


2) the point of his telling the story was not that his uncle was a hero, but rather a victim, spending several months holed up in an attic, upon his return from the war.

Ding ding ding!

387 Ojoe  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:12:19am

re: #373 song_and_dance_man

You guys are giving me too much credit
Anyway, have some food. Eat all you want.

388 vagabond trader  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:12:28am

Bet he could recite all the "facts" re: the Nakba.

389 nyc redneck  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:12:32am

re: #361 tfc3rid

So he uncle helped liberate Auscwitz... Did Barry-O even make mention to the millions of Jews killed in the holocaust or did he leave open the possibility he is a denier?

he has been so coddled by the left and msm, maybe he is starting to believe he is the messiah and can rewrite history w/ a phrase.

390 NoSubmission  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:13:07am

My father and his brother both served in the US Army. Two of my mother's three brothers served in active duty in Viet Nam.

I say keep Obsama far, very far away from real military.

391 bitsy  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:13:19am

re: #345 Ojoe

Let's invent things

I invented a car engine that runs on water, but its exitance is being supressed by Dick Cheney.

392 Charles  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:13:22am

What kind of person gives a speech to veterans on Memorial Day, and makes up phony war stories?

Even if you assume he meant to talk about his grandfather, how can you forget that it was your own grandfather who "liberated Auschwitz," and just blurt out that it was your "uncle?"

This is a very revealing slip-up.

393 tfc3rid  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:13:25am

re: #369 NoSubmission

So how's he going spin/damage control this one?

He'll simply say he didn't mean Auschwitz... End of story...

394 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:14:19am
395 Athos  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:14:21am

re: #383 bulwrk

It's more likely that some aide has made a note that history doesn't match what Barry said and Howard Zinn will correct it in the next edition of his 'textbook'.

396 jetpilot1101  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:14:25am

Charles,

Can we come up witha tally of BHO's gaffe's post it so folks who frequent this page can educate themselves on the Pied Piper of America?

v/r

397 jcm  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:14:33am

re: #367 Cygnus

Al Gore spent Memorial Day weekend inventing the warp drive.

Damn him. Now the Borg know we are here.

398 Ojoe  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:14:37am

re: #392 Charles

I think I have a word for that kind of person.

399 bitsy  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:14:50am

re: #380 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I am the Emperor of the Americas and have designed a car that runs on toast.

Hey! Beat me to it! It runs on water btw.. get your facts straight!

400 nyc redneck  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:14:50am

re: #369 NoSubmission

So how's he going spin/damage control this one?

he will make it worse, but the msm will polish any 'turd' he exudes.
(ugh, that sounds gross but i had to say it. i hate the word t*rd)

401 Chasing Zero  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:14:51am

Other military accomplishments by his family include:
1) A great-uncle was a medic with the 101st Airborne division during WWII and saved Eisenhower's life. Ike took a sniper round while landing on Omaha beach on D-Day and his uncle pulled him into a foxhole and patched him up.
2) Another family member survived being blown off the USS Arizona when the Germans attacked Pearl Harbor.
3) In 1879, his great-great grandfather argued, unsuccessfully, with the Zulu king to negotiate with the British Army. The Zulu's disregarded his advice and proceeded with their attack on the British forces at Isandlwana resulting in the British Army being wiped out almost to the last man.

402 vagabond trader  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:15:00am

re: #392 Charles

Yes, he apparently has loony uncles on the brain, wonder why.lol.

403 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:15:09am

re: #35 Peacekeeper

As President, Obama will send every returning vet to an attic.

More likely he'll find us a nice place under a bus.

Has anyone thought maybe Ibama has an "uncle" who was soviet?
He sure leans that way.

Also someone stated Nobama has a hard time in speeches relating to people. I once again refer to my comments of a few days ago. He has been created from early childhood, everything about him was chosen and designed, there is no way he can relate to people, he is not one of us.

404 Viking6  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:15:16am

re: #85 pat

6th Armored Division, 3rd Army. The 101 was at a part of the Dachau camp

405 bosforus  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:15:18am

re: #398 Ojoe

I think I have a word for that kind of person.

Demo-god?

406 Ojoe  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:15:32am

Of course McCain actually flew combat.

407 stuiec  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:15:33am

re: #325 jwehman

According to [Link: genealogy.about.com...]

Barack's mother had an uncle named Charles W. PAYNE, b. 1924. I searched the military records of someone named that who served in the Army during the liberation period and was born near 1924 and no one matches up.

So - assuming that he really meant "great-uncle Chuck" when he said "uncle", maybe someone else can search better than me and see if there was someone who did serve in the Army and was involved in liberating some concentration camps.

So, the "benefit-of-the-doubt" card would stretch to "great-uncle" and some other camp than "Auschwitz" ...

Two other fascinating things from that geneaology link:

1) Barack's grandpa Stanley had an older brother Ralph Emerson Dunham Jr. Perhaps that's the 'uncle' in question...

2) Supposedly Barack's grandpa Stanley volunteered for the Army (was it the Army, or another branch?) after Pearl Harbor. I wonder, how soon, where did he go for basic training, and when did he ship out? Because Barack's mom was born November 27, 1942... which was, let's see... 50 weeks after Pearl Harbor. I guess the arithmetic is correct: 10 weeks of basic, a leave before shipping out and 40 weeks of gestation.

408 J.D.  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:16:10am

re: #392 Charles

Someone with a vivid imagination?

409 republic  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:16:13am

OT

Check out these wonderful t-shirts and bumper stickers, directly related to Obama's "bitterly clinging to their guns and religion" beliefs.

http://patriotshop.us/index.php?cPath=54

410 NoSubmission  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:16:15am

This idiot is not even barely qualified to be a US Senator!

411 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:16:15am
412 thedopefishlives  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:16:27am

re: #392 Charles

I think it's becoming more and more obvious that the man is an idiot, even though the mainstream media are striving mightily to portray him otherwise. You ask what the "big picture" is concerning Obama's candidacy... I, for one, see a puppet for the Chicago machine, since I imagine that's the reason they put him in the Senate in the first place. Now, let's all just back off and let the man eat his waffle, 'k?

413 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:16:32am

re: #392 Charles

What kind of person gives a speech to veterans on Memorial Day, and makes up phony war stories?

Even if you assume he meant to talk about his grandfather, how can you forget that it was your own grandfather who "liberated Auschwitz," and just blurt out that it was your "uncle?"

This is a very revealing slip-up.

Vietnam Veteran John Kerry made them up about himself...forget the family, he was going for the GOLD all for himself! I can't wait till his liberal delusions progress and to read about what Obama says on the 4th of July. "When I stormed Normandy..."

Chris Matthews, "I can't move my leg!"

414 Ojoe  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:16:33am

re: #405 bosforus

Begins with the letter A

has 7 letters

now I stop

415 Athos  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:16:34am

re: #392 Charles

This is a very revealing slip-up.

The level of contempt is very real and core to his (lack of) character.

416 maddogg  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:16:39am

Obama hopes the MSM doesn't pick up on this fubar, cause then he'll have to change his story, again.
The guy is a damn fool, and McCain will chew him up and spit him out on any national defense subject. That is, if McCain will drop the damn Mr nice guy ruse.

417 NoSubmission  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:17:03am

We need an Obameter-Gaffe-Clock.

Charles?

418 Daddyg  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:17:13am

My Great Uncle was one of the US soldiers who helped liberate Buchenwald. He was an enlisted man in a medical unit - and he never spoke of the war once he returned home except one time when he showed my brother and two Nazi armbands and a Luger he kept in a box. The family told us they were shocked he even took them out. When he originally returned home he saw the uniforms and equipment he had sent home in the parlor, threw up on the porch and didn't come in until days later when the medical equipment was donated to a local hospital and the uniforms were sent to a museum.

Even if this is a mistake regarding locations (Auschwitz vs. Buchenwald) I'm not sure the veterans of WWII would appreciate being invoked as an example of PTSD when so many of them returned to live productive lives - despite the lack of mental health care.

I'd like to see a correlation between PTSD, recovery and the amount of public support soldiers get from home and country.

419 tfc3rid  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:17:25am

re: #397 jcm

Damn him. Now the Borg know we are here.

So, what will destroy us first? Global warming or The Borg?

420 NoSubmission  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:17:50am

I don't think Michelle would have married into such a decorated military family.

421 bitsy  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:18:02am

Obama's attic must be pretty crowded.

422 Ol' flyboy  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:18:21am

If this is brought up Obama will demand that "you leave my uncle out of the campaign" just as he did with his wife.

423 pat  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:18:21am

The most famous camp liberated by Americans was Buchenwald. Since Buchenwald is just about as famous as Auschwitz, there would be no reason to confuse the two. Buchenwald has a number of distinctions. It there the Nazis set up a brothel of female prisoners, conducted medical 'experiments' and executed over 1000 Soviet POWs. Buchenwald housed homosexuals, Jehova Witnesses, dissenting clergy, and over 1000 females at a time.

424 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:18:30am

Yeah! That's the ticket!

425 NoSubmission  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:18:48am

"lay off my uncle!"

426 jetpilot1101  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:19:07am

re: #421 bitsy

He's got a few bats in the belfry.

427 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:19:16am
428 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:19:21am
429 Ojoe  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:19:34am

re: #418 Daddyg

My dad (ww2) lost his brother, came back, married and raised a family, no counseling, no problems, many more like him.

430 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:19:47am

Seriously, I have deep appreciation and sympathy for those soldiers who showed up at the end of WWII at the concentration camps. I am sure the memories haunt them to this day.

431 J.D.  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:19:48am

re: #428 ploome hineni

Charles

maybe he was on some

medication

That's it! For PTSD!

432 Ojoe  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:20:09am

re: #427 song_and_dance_man

That's for her to eat

433 jcm  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:20:13am

re: #419 tfc3rid

So, what will destroy us first? Global warming or The Borg?

Global Warming is the welcome mat. (Didn't one of the movies have the Borg move in and warm things up?)

434 MandyManners  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:20:15am

re: #417 NoSubmission

We need an Obameter-Gaffe-Clock.

Charles?

Yesss.

435 Iron Fist[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:20:15am
436 Kenneth  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:20:28am

re: #392 Charles

What kind of person gives a speech to veterans on Memorial Day, and makes up phony war stories?

Oh! Oh! I know!... a Narcissist.

437 republic  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:20:31am

re: #392 Charles

What kind of person gives a speech to veterans on Memorial Day, and makes up phony war stories?

Even if you assume he meant to talk about his grandfather, how can you forget that it was your own grandfather who "liberated Auschwitz," and just blurt out that it was your "uncle?"

This is a very revealing slip-up.

Even if Barack Hussien Obama's grandfather helped liberate Auschwitz, it doesn't change the fact, that based on Obama's own words and voting actions, that he despises the U.S. military, U.S. military history, and the veterans and current active military.

Barack Husseins grandfather may have been a true American patriot, but Obama himself, by his own words and actions, reveals that he is not supportive of the U.S. military, past, present and future.

Obama is a liar, plain and simple, nothing more.

438 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:20:41am

re: #397 jcm

Damn him. Now the Borg know we are here.

Didn't Archer years earlier destroy the returning Borg Polar Lander?

439 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:21:03am
440 MJ  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:21:12am

re: #392 Charles

Given the fact that Obama is very aware of the fact that he needs the Jewish vote- especially in FL-, he thought to ingratiate himself by making up his story. I'm convinced he heard about that fake story in "The Liberators" ( see my post 301 above ) and, if he hadn't followed the uproar over that film or just forgotten, he might have just recalled the positive elements of the Black/Jewish divide that the film was suppose to help mend. Keep in mind Jesse Jackson did much to promote that fake story.

441 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:21:16am

re: #417 NoSubmission

We need an Obameter-Gaffe-Clock.

Charles?

We could use it as a fan.

442 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:21:17am

re: #434 MandyManners

Yesss.

Hope-and-Change-'O'meter.

443 Ojoe  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:21:17am

BBL

Work ...

444 bitsy  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:21:35am

He was merely refering to the spiritual Auschwitz of the soul which resides in us all, and he will mend us all! Nuance...

445 Green Helmet Guy  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:21:37am

WWOUD!

What Would Obama's Uncle Do?

Obamas Uncle once bowled a 300. Without a ball. He wasn't even in a bowling alley.

446 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:21:48am

It's like he's trying to out-Clinton the Clintons!

447 kansas  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:21:57am

re: #392 Charles

What kind of person gives a speech to veterans on Memorial Day, and makes up phony war stories?

Uhhh, a Democrat.

Even if you assume he meant to talk about his grandfather, how can you forget that it was your own grandfather who "liberated Auschwitz," and just blurt out that it was your "uncle?"

Uhhh, that's an unfair characterization and uhhh an example an unworthy attack and will not help my wife's kids.

This is a very revealing slip-up.

Uhhh, revealing of what? What are you implying about my character?

448 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:22:04am

re: #417 NoSubmission

We need an Obameter-Gaffe-Clock.

Charles?

A Barryometer?

449 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:22:47am

re: #392 Charles

What kind of person gives a speech to veterans on Memorial Day, and makes up phony war stories?

A prevaricating package of fertilizer.

450 tfc3rid  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:22:49am

re: #433 jcm

Global Warming is the welcome mat. (Didn't one of the movies have the Borg move in and warm things up?)

Yes, I believe the Borg need a warm, humid environment...

451 republic  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:22:58am

re: #410 NoSubmission

This idiot is not even barely qualified to be a US Senator!


Obama, as an IL state Senator, voted against allowing a homeowner to defend oneself and family with a firearm, in their own home.

He voted "Present", which is a vote against.

452 rusty_armor  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:23:29am

Mercy.

He seemed to have taken a page from Hilliarys playbook ...

453 jorline  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:23:40am

I can't wait for the general election and Barry's selected as the Demo-Person of choice.
McCain should be able to tear Barry's half-baked Illinois senator's ass back to Chicago...provided John will engage...stranger things have happened do far though.

454 jcm  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:23:42am

re: #450 tfc3rid

Yes, I believe the Borg need a warm, humid environment...

Algore is Borg!

455 NoSubmission  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:23:43am

re: #448 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

A Barryometer?


A Hussein-o-Gaffe-Graph?

456 J.D.  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:23:48am

re: #436 Kenneth

Oh! Oh! I know!... a Narcissist.

BINGO!

457 vagabond trader  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:23:52am

re: #436 Kenneth

Oh yeah, I noticed this months ago. Fits him to a T.

458 nyc redneck  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:24:09am

thinking abt. the dangerous world we live in today, i asked myself who would i rather be in a fox hole w/?
the pencil neck, lying, blabber mouth, appeasement fool, obama or the seasoned courageous war veteran mccain.
extrapolate out of the trenches and project who should also be leading our country at this time. same answer.

459 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:24:43am
460 maddogg  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:24:45am

Whats Obama gonna say to Veterans? Sorry, but I can't even talk to you guys. Your Veterans and I'm a goddamned fucktard. Here, let me make some shit up...

461 yochanan  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:24:51am

re: #301 MJ

I bet Obama saw this film on PBS and then decided to graft his fake story onto this fake story:

Doubts Mar PBS Film of Black Army Unit

...The film, "The Liberators," viewed by an audience of 3.7 million, portrayed the neglected history of the 761st Battalion, putting considerable stress on the involvement of some of its members at the liberations of two of the most notorious camps in Germany, Dachau and Buchenwald. 'PBS-Gate Follies,' Veteran Says

Last month, the film was nominated for an Academy Award for best documentary. Before that, black and Jewish leaders gathered at a special showing at the Apollo Theater in Harlem and spoke of the two people's common history of oppression. The Rev. Jesse Jackson urged that it be distributed in all high schools.

The problem is that Mr. Williams -- and journalists, researchers and many other war veterans -- contend that a central element of the film, the role of black soldiers from the 761st in the liberation of those particular camps, is simply not true.

"It's the PBS-gate follies," said Mel Rappaport, a veteran of the Sixth Armored Division, which, he said, did liberate Buchenwald.

[Link: query.nytimes.com...]


---
THIS IS NOT A SUPRISE, if you listen to PBS the tuskeege airmen did all the air war by themseleves, this has more to do with current political idology than anything to do with history.

462 dolfan  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:25:10am

re: #437 republic

"Obama is a liar, plain and simple, nothing more"


Republic, wait, he's more than that. He's ignorant, too. Mostly ignorant for the things he says, but also ignorant for thinking that everyone believes everything he says.

He's also an idiot for not taking his note cards with him everywhere he goes. When the script isn't written for him, he really fouls up.

Over and over.

463 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:25:10am

re: #450 tfc3rid

Yes, I believe the Borg need a warm, humid environment...


Funny that. I believe that bacteria, mold and other slimy lower forms of life require a warm, humid environment as well.

464 Iron Fist[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:25:41am
465 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:25:47am
466 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:26:17am

re: #459 buzzsawmonkey

I just don't get the "hate jew" stuff. Guess that makes me better off.

467 Kenneth  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:26:18am

re: #457 vagabond trader

Me too. Interestingly, more & more people are seeing it. This is part of what makes an Obama Presidency such a disaster in the making.

468 J.D.  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:26:30am
“Narcissists ...don’t talk, or communicate. They fend off. They hide and evade and avoid and disguise. In their planet of capricious and arbitrary unpredictability, of shifting semiotic and semantic dunes - they perfect the ability to say nothing in lengthy, Castro-like speeches.

It is the fact that language is put by Narcissists to a different use - not to communicate but to obscure, not to share but to abstain, not to learn but to defend and resist, not to teach but to preserve ever less tenable monopolies, to disagree without incurring wrath, to criticize without commitment, to agree without appearing to do so. Thus, an “agreement” with a narcissist is a vague expression of intent at a given moment - rather than the clear listing of long term, iron-cast and mutual commitments. Communication through unequivocal, unambiguous, information-rich symbol systems is such an integral and crucial part of our world - that its absence is not postulated even in the remotest galaxies which grace the skies of science fiction. In this sense, narcissists are nothing short of aliens.

With cerebral narcissists, language is a lover. The infatuation with its very sound leads to a pyrotechnic type of speech which sacrifices its meaning to its music. Its speakers pay more attention to the composition than to the content. They are swept by it, intoxicated by its perfection, inebriated by the spiraling complexity of its forms.”

469 Dianna  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:26:36am

re: #378 Ojoe

To say nothing of the horse collar, the stirrup, the three field rotation system, and a bunch of other stuff, including the board plow.

They don't sound like much, but they add up to feeding more people and raising the standard of living. The middle ages matter a lot.

470 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:27:03am

re: #226 alegrias

John McCain is so old he was alive during World War II and wrote a book about his father & grandfather's military services and got the facts straight.

Which the McCain is selling, autographed, for a donation of $150.

I was going to donate less, but ordered it.

471 WriterMom  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:27:07am

Does the uncle have a name? I'm sorry if I missed it, I'm reading upthread instead of down...

472 republic  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:27:07am

re: #462 dolfan

"Obama is a liar, plain and simple, nothing more"


Republic, wait, he's more than that. He's ignorant, too. Mostly ignorant for the things he says, but also ignorant for thinking that everyone believes everything he says.

He's also an idiot for not taking his note cards with him everywhere he goes. When the script isn't written for him, he really fouls up.

Over and over.

Doesn't the word ignorant mean, basicly, "uninformed"?

Obama is, with premeditation, lying, over and over.

473 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:27:12am

re: #464 Iron Fist

,

Impossible! The Clintons can't be out-Clintoned. It would collapse the Space-Time Continuum!

Nah...it will only create a new time line/alt universe/whatever.

The Doctor can fix it.

474 opnion  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:27:29am

I just heard a sound bite from Michell Obama. She claims that they were only able to pay down their education loans because Barack wrote two best sellers.
Also she said they were then able to escape the corporations & go back into the Community & take less money
Michelle Obama works for the University of Chicago Medical Center in a make believe "Community Outreach" Capacity. She made about $150,000 pr year & got bumped to $300, 000 when Bary won a Senate seat. I am told that she is a slacker & barely shows up for a cup of coffee.

475 WriterMom  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:27:36am

re: #459 buzzsawmonkey

Lefty loves dead Jews and Holocaust memorials.

Live Jooos and Israel, not so much.

476 nyc redneck  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:27:38am

i have known since i was 10 yrs. old that memorial day is abt. putting flowers on graves.

477 vagabond trader  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:27:38am

The Obama really really respects Iraq vets.

[Link: noquarterusa.net...]

478 lawhawk  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:27:48am

re: #471 WriterMom

Never actually named.

479 so.cal.swede  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:27:49am

re: #151 CEQAttorney

The only Extermination Camp (which Auschwitz was) that the Americans liberated was Treblinka. Every other extermination camp was liberated by the Soviets.
.


What? Treblinka is in Poland.. unless we had a secret paratrooper battalion liberating it i can't see how that was done.

[Link: www.ushmm.org...]

480 republic  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:27:57am

re: #465 song_and_dance_man

He voted against requiring medical care for aborted fetuses who survive.


Yes, thank you, I am aware of his most leftist voting records and beliefs.

481 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:28:07am

re: #276 Dad O' Blondes

Obama's grasp of US history, his understanding of military engagements, etc. is appallingly poor.

I can't believe he was accepted to and graduated from Columbia University, and then Harvard Law.

He sometimes sounds like an unschooled imbecile.

.

Maybe he should be on Jay Leno - on the "Jaywalking" segment.

482 CEQAttorney  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:28:09am

re: #268 opnion

look this is nitpicking. This is his truth, ok?
He wants it to be true , so that he gets some pro Jewish cred.
I draw the line though , if he claims that he used to be married to Morgan Fairchild. She's my first wife. yeah thats it, thats the ticket

No. There is no "his truth" or "my truth" or anyone else's "truth." There is what is true and what is not true.

Mr. Obama may "believe" his uncle served in World War II, but that is not true.

In fact, given the obviousness of how it is not true, you have to wonder how he could reasonably believe it.

483 neverquit  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:28:14am

UHHH, I will not allow anyone to attack my Grand-father or late great uncle, it's low class...

484 yochanan  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:28:27am

re: #458 nyc redneck

thinking abt. the dangerous world we live in today, i asked myself who would i rather be in a fox hole w/?
the pencil neck, lying, blabber mouth, appeasement fool, obama or the seasoned courageous war veteran mccain.
extrapolate out of the trenches and project who should also be leading our country at this time. same answer.

WE DO KNOW JOHN MCCAIN WOULD NOT SELL US OUT IN A POW CAMP. FOR SURE IN A FOX HOLE HE WOULD HAVE YOUR BACK

485 Iron Fist[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:28:28am
486 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:28:36am

re: #473 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Nah...it will only create a new time line/alt universe/whatever.

The Doctor can fix it.

In one time line, a series of sentient hoover uprights are exterminating all life while screaming "CHANGE!"

487 WriterMom  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:28:49am

re: #163 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I understand that another uncle was the one who broke the code of the Zimmerman telegram.

488 realwest  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:28:57am

re: #459 buzzsawmonkey Hey Buzz - yeah but you just KNOW that the majority of Jewish Americans are gonna vote for Obama anyway.

489 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:29:14am

re: #478 lawhawk

Never actually named existed.

fixed.

490 WriterMom  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:29:22am

re: #478 lawhawk

That's interesting.

491 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:29:43am

Sure am glad that I do not have thousands of people ready to double check every thing I say.

Would even be more glad if I were a huge liar.

492 WriterMom  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:29:44am

re: #488 realwest

OY. MY PEOPLE. Stuck on stupid.

493 wolfie  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:30:18am

re: #375 Kenneth

I'm not sure that Obama "knew" that he was lying. He has soaked in the mental swamp of leftism his entire life. His entire education has been about "facts" which are conditional upon a militant agenda: Marxism, Black Liberation Theology, or the imperative to get elected in November. Just as he says he can "see many of them (fallen heroes) in the audience today", and not realize he just said he sees dead people, Obama knows these are "meaningful" phrases that serve his purpose, and therefore are "true".

The point is not to understand the world, but to change it.
Truth is illusion of the superstructure. Power is real.- Karl Marx, from The Poverty of Philosophy

494 Cygnus  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:30:30am

re: #394 song_and_dance_man

You are nothing unless you have a toast scrapebook.

/*thinking*... should I use glue or syrup to fasten the waffle to the addendum

My church's youth group used to have Toast Night. Very strange event. Sorry, I looked on the web page and there's no pictures anymore.

495 nyc redneck  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:30:31am

re: #484 yochanan

WE DO KNOW JOHN MCCAIN WOULD NOT SELL US OUT IN A POW CAMP. FOR SURE IN A FOX HOLE HE WOULD HAVE YOUR BACK

b.o.'s ineptitude and inability to understand the enemy would most likely get you killed.

496 J.D.  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:30:55am

re: #488 realwest

Hey Buzz - yeah but you just KNOW that the majority of Jewish Americans are gonna vote for Obama anyway.

Say it isn't so, this time.

497 yochanan  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:31:08am

re: #464 Iron Fist

,

Impossible! The Clintons can't be out-Clintoned. It would collapse the Space-Time Continuum!

THAT WOULD CREATE A BLACK HOLE

498 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:31:15am

re: #494 Cygnus

What? Everybody brings butter and jam?

499 Athos  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:31:24am

re: #488 realwest

Ideology wins out over religion.

500 Kenneth  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:31:30am

Narcissistic Personality Disorder check list:

1. Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements);
2. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love;
3. Believes that he of she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions);
4. Requires excessive admiration;
5. Has a sense of entitlement , i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations;
6. Is interpersonally exploitative, ie., takes advantage;
7. Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with feelings and needs of others;
8. Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her;
9. Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

I score Obama 9 out of 9, how about you?

501 stuiec  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:31:48am

re: #354 Render

I'll give credit to the Muslim-Americans in the US Armed Forces -- though why is the number you cite so vague? Is it based on service records, or merely a statistical projection of average preponderance of Muslims in the American population?

But the Iraqis and Afghans in their own national armies are not germane to the question of how Muslim-Americans perceived the 9/11 attacks in the context of their own identity as Americans.

Put another way: after Pearl Harbor, Japanese-Americans were subjected to suspicion, prejudice and abuse, unfairly blamed for the actions of their country of origin. Their response was to prove themselves as the fiercest fighters of the U.S. Army in order to put the lie to the accusation of disloyalty. After 9/11, the national mood seemed to focus on preempting the backlash of suspicion, prejudice and abuse, but there was no corresponding movement of American Muslims -- at least, I don't recall one -- to urge their sons and daughters to come to the defense of their country. Do you recall such a call to arms on the part of any Muslim-American organization?

502 Iron Fist[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:31:53am
503 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:32:00am
504 J.D.  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:32:20am

re: #502 Iron Fist

,

Racist! It wuld be a Hole of Color!

lol

505 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:32:24am

re: #493 wolfie

The point is not to understand the world, but to change it.
Truth is illusion of the superstructure. Power is real.- Karl Marx, from The Poverty Audacity of Philosophy Hope

/Oh, that isn't the title?

506 republic  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:32:35am

re: #495 nyc redneck

b.o.'s ineptitude and inability to understand the enemy would most likely get you killed.

Jon Cary totally sold out his fellow military by meeting with the VC in France, while POWs were being tortured, and he was about 60,000 votes away from being POTUS.

Much of this country is stuck on stupid.

507 Viking6  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:32:37am

re: #421 bitsy

No room left under the bus

508 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:32:44am

re: #497 yochanan

THAT WOULD CREATE A BLACK HOLE

Racist!

509 NoSubmission  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:32:47am

Has McCain jumped on this yet?

510 formercorpsman  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:32:50am

I have no way of going through the whole thread, quick post.

Really, really beginning to wonder about the folks around this guy now.

“That’s why this idea of making sure that every single veteran, when they are discharged, are screened for post-traumatic stress disorder and given the mental health services that they need – that’s why it’s so important.”

There is so much being said in this one sentence, it is unreal.

Think about the ramifications, a government can foist upon everyone who is discharged from service, with a label.

The fact this fucker would never know what it is like to actually process through the military, makes me fume seeing his assertions of how they are treated now.

This privileged, presumptuous, pomp ass, candy-assed bastard has no ability speak on any position of authority as it relates to our military, he should just keep his trap shut.

Good lord, I really am concerned thinking he might get into office.

511 WriterMom  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:32:53am

"Baruch" seems to have really fucked up (again). Using Auschwitz to gain political points. NUANCE!

512 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:32:56am

re: #496 J.D.

Say it isn't so, this time.

I still believe there will be an historic change in the Jewish vote this year.

513 Cygnus  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:32:58am

re: #406 Ojoe

Of course McCain actually flew combat.

And he doesn't go around bragging about his medals (or chucking them over the White House fence) like a certain Senator we know.

514 Spiny Norman  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:33:02am

re: #445 Green Helmet Guy

WWOUD!

What Would Obama's Uncle Do?

Obamas Uncle once bowled a 300. Without a ball. He wasn't even in a bowling alley.

Obama's Uncle is Chuck Norris?

515 bitsy  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:33:08am

During a speech on memorial day, I misspoke about undead zombie soldiers in the audience and told a story about my uncle. I was tired, from touring all 57 states, and so I made a mistake. Actually, I saw "Saving Private Ryan" while flying here on my biodiesel powered private jet, and thought Matt Damon looked like my great uncle, who also had the middle name Francis.

However, I can no more disown my mythical war hero uncle than I can throw my white racist grandmother under the bus... oh wait... I mean... Enough hard questions! Let me eat my waffle!

/Obama speechwriter mode

516 MandyManners  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:33:10am

If and when he's called on this lie, will he throw his uncle under the bus?

517 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:33:43am
518 MJ  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:33:47am

re: #488 realwest

Hey Buzz - yeah but you just KNOW that the majority of Jewish Americans are gonna vote for Obama anyway.

This is true.
Looking at the electoral college map, the one place where the Jewish vote could matter is in FL...and we know what happens when Dems lose FL.
Other than that, the other large centers where Jews live will go Democratic regardless how Jews vote: CA and IL and NY are already in Democratic tank.

519 formercorpsman  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:34:14am

re: #464 Iron Fist

Ding up times one thousand.

520 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:34:15am

re: #503 buzzsawmonkey

Self hating Jews. It's a story as old as time.

521 yma o hyd  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:34:20am

re: #459 buzzsawmonkey

Exactly so.

I do wonder how Jewish people would feel if they were told:
'Vote for me, because one member of m family liberated survivors of your families' ...

I'd feel sick to the bottom of my soul, regardless if it was a lie or not.

Some things simply are not to be used as fodder for electioneering. If you have to make a public song-and-dance about how close you are to the Jewish people, then you're a sham.
Your deeds should do all the talking.

522 WriterMom  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:34:32am

re: #417 NoSubmission

I think it would be more like a Obama Whopper/Gaffe Chart, and it gets signified by additional little waffle icons!

523 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:34:37am

My uncle thought he was St. Jerome.
/Ghostbusters

524 yochanan  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:34:41am

re: #477 vagabond trader

The Obama really really respects Iraq vets.

[Link: noquarterusa.net...]

ON WHICH SIDE?

525 vagabond trader  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:35:03am

re: #512 Nevergiveup

No Jews in my family voting for him ,but then again we are of the bitter,military serving type.

526 Kenneth  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:35:06am

re: #474 opnion

I just heard a sound bite from Michell Obama. She claims that they were only able to pay down their education loans because Barack wrote two best sellers.

Doh! Why didn't I think of that! Instead, I went and got a real job, payed my taxes and paid down my debt. If only I had been as brilliant as THE OBAMA! Change me!

527 serious  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:35:11am

It is obvious that what Hussein Obama says is just a pathetic attempt to compare the horrors of Auschwitz to the "horrors" that the USA soldiers face in iraq or afganistan , horrors for which he blame Bush and the USA military .
You know ... all this horrors that democrats talk about and causes the famous postraumatic mental illness in the veterans , postraumatic illness that affects too his hypothetical uncle after he hypothetically saw the horrors of Auschwitz .
But he tries to compare more than this , because he compares the situation in Iraq and Afganistan ( Bush's fault according to the democrats ) to the situation in the concentration camps as Auschwitz ( hitler's fault ) ... and he does it in the only way that this comparison can be done ... I mean , lying .

He lies as this because he knows that he can do it whitout any problem , he can say anything , no matter how false it is , because every mass media will hide his lies , or will apologize his lies , or will attack those who dare to criticize his lies .
He knows he can lie all he wants because his followers act like a blind brainless mass that follow him no matter what he says .

Brief , he lie because he is leftie , and "to lie" is the leftie way to do politics .

528 J.D.  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:35:17am

re: #512 Nevergiveup

I still believe there will be an historic change in the Jewish vote this year.

Let's hope you're right.

529 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:35:26am

re: #486 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

In one time line, a series of sentient hoover uprights are exterminating all life while screaming "CHANGE!"


Yeah, and the scary thing is that in another alternate universe (I think that the string theory explains it? I doanknow) KKKosss' candidates could actually win!

Shiver.

530 David Simon  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:35:38am

re: #466 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I just don't get the "hate jew" stuff. Guess that makes me better off.

A typical leftist views everything as a powerful/powerless dichotomy, where the powerful are evil, and the powerless virtuous by default. So even though Jews are an extreme minority, we are disproportionately successful as a whole, and therefore, deserving of scorn.

You can see the same dynamic at play in the Israeli/"Palestinian" conflict, where the leftist roots for the "underdog" no matter how monstrously it behaves.

531 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:35:48am

re: #514 Spiny Norman


DING UP!

ROFL

532 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:36:06am
533 littleben  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:36:16am

D**n Obama!

My grandfather, whom I am named for was murdered in Auschwitz(on Yom Kippur).
How DARE Obama use this for political gain. The man has no shame.
We need to expose him.

Charles, don't let this story die. please keep running it.


s/ one very angry Jewish American.

534 WriterMom  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:36:16am

re: #369 NoSubmission

This is going to be tough.

535 so.cal.swede  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:36:23am

re: #479 so.cal.swede

What? Treblinka is in Poland.. unless we had a secret paratrooper battalion liberating it i can't see how that was done.

[Link: www.ushmm.org...]


By the way, your head must be severely screwed by partisan politics if you start diminishing the effort of the Nazis to kill jews, only so that you can say that Barack was wrong!

the Nazi extermination camps were over ONE THOUSAND. And you DARE go in and say that "well it's a technicallity really"


people like you disgust me!

536 NoSubmission  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:36:40am

re: #522 WriterMom

I think it would be more like a Obama Whopper/Gaffe Chart, and it gets signified by additional little waffle icons!


yes! The Osbama-BS-Spectrometer will be illustrated with increasing stacks of waffles.

537 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:36:42am

re: #503 buzzsawmonkey

Was that off the top of your head? It would take me at least a week to write anything close to that cogent.

Is it saved in a "post to blog, folder file"?

Anyway, well said. Thanks.

538 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:36:52am
539 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:37:49am

re: #510 formercorpsman

The Obamanation thinks that anyone who would enlist in the military is either desperate or crazy.
I think anyone who votes for him is crazy or stupid.

540 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:37:50am

re: #529 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Yeah, and the scary thing is that in another alternate universe (I think that the string theory explains it? I doanknow) KKKosss' candidates could actually win!

Shiver.

The most thought provoking political blog is called Giant Blue Baseballs and is run by a guy named Gordon

541 David Simon  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:37:50am

re: #488 realwest

Hey Buzz - yeah but you just KNOW that the majority of Jewish Americans are gonna vote for Obama anyway.

Yep. It's probably going to be the slimmest majority ever, but it'll still be a majority.

542 Cygnus  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:37:52am

re: #427 song_and_dance_man

What's up with that Rosie toy in the bottom middle?

LOLOL!

543 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:37:56am

re: #525 vagabond trader

No Jews in my family voting for him ,but then again we are of the bitter,military serving type.

Most of my family ( wife and daughters aside ) usually vote Democratic. This time, other than my moonbat sister, I doubt any will vote for Obama. Most have said they will vote for McCain.

544 WriterMom  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:38:07am

re: #507 Viking6

There is always room under Obama's Bus.

Hope! Change!

545 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:38:07am

re: #523 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I always love it when people quote Ghostbusters!

546 DaChew  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:38:19am

Nuance we can believe in.

547 Kenneth  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:38:22am

#151 CEQAttorney

The only Extermination Camp (which Auschwitz was) that the Americans liberated was Treblinka. Every other extermination camp was liberated by the Soviets.

Wrong. Five concentration camps were liberated by US troops, on 11 April 1945 Dora Mittlebau and Buchenwald were reached. On 23 April Flossenburg was liberated, Dachau on the 29th and finally Mauthausen on 4 May.

548 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:38:27am

re: #513 Cygnus

And he doesn't go around bragging about his medals (or chucking them over the White House fence) like a certain Senator we know.

You know what ticks me off when they say that President Bush is an idiot is the fact that they let the man fly F15's (or 16's?).

I'd like to see on of those bitter, self- hating, bile filled bags of wind try to fly one of those suckers.

549 bosforus  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:38:32am

Gateway Pundit's got a screen shot from Obama's website showing that this is not the first time Obama's made the Auschwitz "gaffe".
[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

550 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:38:53am
551 jcm  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:39:03am

re: #517 song_and_dance_man

You'll get a kick out of this, with your musical bent.

I'm sorting through family pictures. I find the the following pictures of my uncle. He's never mentioned this but I've got the pictures.

He plays the piano and a series of pictures show him accompanying Roy Rodgers and Dale Evans, Pat Boone, and several different Billy Graham Crusades. I gotta' talk with my uncle. ;-)

552 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:39:15am

re: #205 jcm

Obama gaffe.

What a dope.

553 Kenneth  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:39:19am

re: #501 stuiec

Well what about James Yee? Oh... bad example.

554 opnion  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:39:22am

re: #465 song_and_dance_man

He voted against requiring medical care for aborted fetuses who survive.

As An Illinois State Senator, Obama bottled up in comittee a bill that would have made it illegal to withold medical care.
At the time he & Michelle had a propritary interest ina hospital network that cranked out abortions like Chevys

555 WriterMom  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:39:34am

Not a single slob on his team has ever cracked open a history book.

557 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:39:41am

re: #550 buzzsawmonkey

Holy Shamoly!

558 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:39:45am

re: #540 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The most thought provoking political blog is called Giant Blue Baseballs and is run by a guy named Gordon


And the New Orleans Saints have won several Super Bowls!

559 jorline  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:39:51am

Barry's half brother...LOL, but he can only tell the truth!

560 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:40:33am
561 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:40:39am
562 NoSubmission  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:40:39am

re: #555 WriterMom

Not a single slob on his team has ever cracked open a history book.


Neither have any of his voters.

563 jetpilot1101  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:40:41am

re: #548 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Actually, flying an aircraft isn't too hard once you get the trim thing down. The tough part is landing which I can only hope lefties would have problems with.

564 incanus  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:40:43am

re: #547 Kenneth

#151 CEQAttorney

Wrong. Five concentration camps were liberated by US troops, on 11 April 1945 Dora Mittlebau and Buchenwald were reached. On 23 April Flossenburg was liberated, Dachau on the 29th and finally Mauthausen on 4 May.

Concentration Camp != Extermination Camp (this point is not stressed often enough and leads to young idiots buying into a lot of the holocaust revisionism).

565 Kenneth  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:40:44am

re: #548 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Bush flew the F-102, a very difficult bird to manage.

566 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:41:02am

re: #554 opnion

As An Illinois State Senator, Obama bottled up in comittee a bill that would have made it illegal to withold medical care.
At the time he & Michelle had a propritary interest ina hospital network that cranked out abortions like Chevys

That figures. It's really about dollars, not "womens' rights".

567 Viking6  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:41:18am

re: #513 Cygnus
re: #406 Ojoe


That's because he actually earned them

568 NoSubmission  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:41:30am

Has Hillary jumped on this yet?

H...mmm. on second thought, she'd better back away from this one.

569 realwest  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:41:34am

re: #492 WriterMom
Yeah, I hated to say it, but hate more the fact that it's true.
Shit.

570 Gjergj Skënderbeu  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:41:34am

re: #316 Just Another Four-letter Word

No he's not! Same crap, different day, different venue.

Same old same old.

JAFLW


No, he really, really, really IS different! HOPECHANGE!

571 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:42:03am

re: #563 jetpilot1101

Actually, flying an aircraft isn't too hard once you get the trim thing down. The tough part is landing which I can only hope lefties would have problems with.

Yeah, but all those buttons!

572 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:42:12am

re: #564 incanus

It's synonymous for me. But I see your point.

573 kansas  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:42:13am

re: #500 Kenneth


Sounds like Bill Clinton.

574 jcm  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:42:28am

re: #565 Kenneth

Bush flew the F-102, a very difficult bird to manage.

Of of it's nics was the "Lawn Dart" for it's penchant for doing just that on takeoff.

575 incanus  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:42:47am

re: #565 Kenneth

Bush flew the F-102, a very difficult bird to manage.

Thought it was the F-106? Same criticism applies in either case.

576 RobCon  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:42:47am

Don't doubt the Obama. He has the e-mails his Uncle sent from Auschwitz in 1945.

577 bosforus  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:42:59am

Seriously, check out the link.
[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]
It's from October 2002! This was not a gaffe, at best, it's an ignorant made up story. The first version was his grandfather, how it's his uncle.

578 jetpilot1101  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:43:09am

re: #571 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Yeah, but all those buttons!

...and all the darn switches!

579 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:43:18am
580 realwest  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:43:26am

re: #499 Athos Probably, but I always thought that Judaism, in this country at least, was more than just religion - it is at least a matter of custom, belief and history.

581 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:44:08am

re: #510 formercorpsman

I have no way of going through the whole thread, quick post.

Really, really beginning to wonder about the folks around this guy now.

There is so much being said in this one sentence, it is unreal.

Think about the ramifications, a government can foist upon everyone who is discharged from service, with a label.

The fact this fucker would never know what it is like to actually process through the military, makes me fume seeing his assertions of how they are treated now.

This privileged, presumptuous, pomp ass, candy-assed bastard has no ability speak on any position of authority as it relates to our military, he should just keep his trap shut.

Good lord, I really am concerned thinking he might get into office.

Also it leads to the idea that all military people could be labeled as "unfit" after their return from service. Translation: your views are different than that of the left, you lose your rights to vote. Maybe even institutionalized. This may sound paranoid, but similar things have happened in other countries.

Don't forget the left tried to marginalize the views of the VietNam Vets by claiming they were all crazy (except of course for John Fing Kerry and his fellow travelers).

582 incanus  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:44:11am

re: #572 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It's synonymous for me. But I see your point.

Yeah it's a tough argument from "our" side ... the problem is when some Dinner-Jacket type says "most of the camps didn't have ovens!" and other dreck, these young idiots who aren't taught anything of substance think "Hmm" and head down the path to destruction.

583 Kenneth  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:44:12am

re: #555 WriterMom

I think this says everything you need to know about Obama's study of history:

To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist Professors and the structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets. We smoked cigarettes and wore leather jackets. At night, in the dorms, we discussed neocolonialism, Franz Fanon, Eurocentrism, and patriarchy. When we ground out our cigarettes in the hallway carpet or set our stereos so loud that the walls began to shake,we were resisting bourgeois society's stifling constraints.We weren't indifferent or careless or insecure. We were alienated. -

Barrack Hussein Obama, DREAMS FROM MY FATHER:A STORY OF RACE AND INHERITANCE.

584 WriterMom  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:44:17am

re: #512 Nevergiveup

Don't hold your breath.

585 shanec99  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:44:21am

Hmmm... attention Lizards... there may be some error here.

Apparently Obama didn't say his Uncle liberated Auschwitz, but rather that his uncle visited the death camp and it affected him severely.

The mistake seems to be that the Media is not quoting him accurately.

But you know what, how many times has the media misrepresented what our side has said.

About time they made an error on other side. LOL.

I am hoping that the media will start reporting the facts, because in any debate where the facts are reported our side can never lose.

586 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:44:24am

re: #577 bosforus

Heh.

587 Render  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:44:27am

re: #501 stuiec

Regarding the vague estimates given by the Department of Defense...

[Link: www.defenselink.mil...]

I suspect the number is vague because the DoD wants it that way.

=

Regarding the Muslim-American call-to-arms...

[Link: www.icgt.org...]

"The fatwa replies to a religious question presented by Chaplain
Muhammad Abdur-Rashid, the most senior Muslim chaplain in the American Armed forces concerning the permissibility of the Muslim military personnel within the US Armed Forces to participate in the war and its related efforts in Afghanistan and elsewhere in other Muslim countries.

Dr. Al-alawani stressed the importance of American Muslims in
the military to defend their country and to combat terrorism. He also
stated that American Muslims have an obligation to abide by the laws of the U.S. and should stand together with other Americans to protect the security interests of their country.

"Muslims are part of the American society. Anyone who feels he’s
fighting in a just war must fight," said Dr. Al-alawani."

THEY
SERVE
TOO,
R

588 NoSubmission  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:44:28am

Unless his uncle really IS his grandfather. That would play well with the Islamists.

589 opnion  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:44:39am

Wait, I think I have it. He confused his mythical uncle liberating a Death Camp, with his ncousin Raila slaughtering Christians in Kenya.
Honest mistake.

590 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:44:39am

re: #578 jetpilot1101

...and all the darn switches!

I'd kill for a ride in a fighter jet of any sort!

591 incanus  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:44:41am

re: #579 taxfreekiller

Out on the trails when they used the F-102's , we called them,
"thuds". Guess why?

Er, that's the F-105 "Thunderchief"

592 J.D.  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:44:46am

re: #576 RobCon

Don't doubt the Obama. He has the e-mails his Uncle sent from Auschwitz in 1945.

Well, that settles it.

593 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:44:59am

re: #579 taxfreekiller

Out on the trails when they used the F-102's , we called them,
"thuds". Guess why?

I thought that the F-105 (Thunderchief) was called the "Thud".

594 WriterMom  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:45:28am

re: #583 Kenneth

I chose my friends spiritual leaders, spouse and advisors carefully

595 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:45:30am

re: #568 NoSubmission

Has Hillary jumped on this yet?

H...mmm. on second thought, she'd better back away from this one.


Yep...just three words... Sir Edmond Hillary

596 looking closely  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:45:36am

re: #393 tfc3rid

He'll simply say he didn't mean Auschwitz... End of story...


Its only end of story if the questioners are content with that BS non-answer.

What exactly DID he mean, and why did he make this egregious error?

597 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:45:44am

re: #585 shanec99

The mistake seems to be that the Media is not quoting him accurately.


do you have a link to the correct quote?

598 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:46:00am

re: #592 J.D.

Well, that settles it.

Using Al Gore's Internet?

599 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:46:01am
600 realwest  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:46:07am

re: #512 Nevergiveup Now that's a CHANGE I could go for. But I don't think so; for reasons which are inexplicable to me, American Jews have voted Democrat in every Presidential election since I don't know when -FDR maybe?

601 Kenneth  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:46:21am

re: #564 incanus

Absolutely. As if the people who perished at the concentrations camps weren't 'exterminated", they were only "concentrated". All the camps were part an parcel of the same monstrous evil.

602 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:46:25am

re: #548 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

You know what ticks me off when they say that President Bush is an idiot is the fact that they let the man fly F15's (or 16's?).

I'd like to see on of those bitter, self- hating, bile filled bags of wind try to fly one of those suckers.

I thought it was F-102's (or maybe 106's). Difficult planes to fly

603 MandyManners  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:46:27am

re: #587 Render

Anyone who feels he’s fighting in a just war must fight," said Dr. Al-alawani."

That's one heckuva' caveat.

604 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:46:29am

re: #558 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

And the New Orleans Saints have won several Super Bowls!

Coming in 2nd only to the Bengals

605 J.D.  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:46:32am

re: #588 NoSubmission

Unless his uncle really IS his grandfather. That would play well with the Islamists.

Hmmm...

606 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:46:43am
607 alegrias  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:46:45am

Democrats Threaten Army

Illegal aliens' children are ok, but NOT Army Brats!

Can't have Pentagon moving into our community, says Democrat Storck of Northern Virginia (Jim Webb country, you know, possible military Vice Presidential candidate with Obama)

"...We don’t expect them to change until others force them to change.”


[Link: www.examiner.com...]

608 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:46:52am

re: #583 Kenneth

I have thought about reading his books. Know thy enemy and all. Of course I would never buy one, just borrow. But if that is an example, I'd never get past the fist chapter w/o puking.

609 WriterMom  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:46:59am

re: #585 shanec99

Did you read the CBS link?

Obama also spoke about his uncle, who was part of the American brigade that helped to liberate Auschwitz. He said the family legend is that, upon returning from war, his uncle spent six months in an attic.

Do you think the CBS reporter made this up?

610 J.D.  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:47:04am

re: #598 Ward Cleaver

Using Al Gore's Internet?

Doubter.
;-P

611 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:47:05am

re: #602 Kosh's Shadow

I thought it was F-102's (or maybe 106's). Difficult planes to fly

The F-102 and F-106 are closely related.

612 nyc redneck  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:47:10am

why wouldn't he name the 'uncle's' name if he really existed and he was really proud of him.

613 incanus  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:47:19am

re: #575 incanus

Thought it was the F-106? Same criticism applies in either case.

Nope, TANG flew the F-102.. Learn something every day.

614 WriterMom  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:47:21am

re: #597 Killgore Trout

GMTA

615 republic  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:47:22am

re: #585 shanec99

I am hoping that the media will start reporting the facts,

LOL!

616 stuiec  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:47:23am

re: #530 David Simon

A typical leftist views everything as a powerful/powerless dichotomy, where the powerful are evil, and the powerless virtuous by default. So even though Jews are an extreme minority, we are disproportionately successful as a whole, and therefore, deserving of scorn.

You can see the same dynamic at play in the Israeli/"Palestinian" conflict, where the leftist roots for the "underdog" no matter how monstrously it behaves.

Don't discount the shift in Israel's orientation from socialism to capitalism. The Jewish State committed three unpardonable sins from the perspective of the Left: turning its back on Socialism; proving itself militarily capable against a set of Soviet client states in the 1967 war; and aligning itself with the USA after 1967 (that is, commanding support for its policies from the USA rather than meekly obeying the USA and Britain as it did in the 1956 Sinai withdrawal).

Someone will certainly correct and expand on my reference to 1956 and 1967, but I believe I essentially have it right: before 1967, France supplied Mirage jets to Israel, and after 1967, the US took over the role of Israel's military supplier.

617 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:47:33am

Gotta work, bbl peeps.

618 bosforus  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:47:49am

re: #612 nyc redneck

why wouldn't he name the 'uncle's' name if he really existed and he was really proud of him.

Hard to be proud of a typical white person!

619 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:47:50am

re: #611 Ward Cleaver

The F-102 and F-106 are closely related.


I still can't fly them.

620 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:47:58am

re: #609 WriterMom

Did you read the CBS link?

Do you think the CBS reporter made this up?

CBS, make stuff up?!? No WAY, dude!

621 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:48:01am
622 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:48:32am

re: #614 WriterMom

;)

623 NoSubmission  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:48:33am

re: #608 Nevergiveup

I have thought about reading his books. Know thy enemy and all. Of course I would never buy one, just borrow. But if that is an example, I'd never get past the fist chapter w/o puking.


From an astute HotAir commentor:

Interesting that Obama has all these American military heroes in his family, and yet in one of his books he wrote that the person in his life of whom he was most proud was his Kenyan half-brother (or cousin, I forget which) who had given up booze, smoking, and pork and converted to Islam. I wonder when we’ll be hearing that relative mentioned in one of Barry’s speeches?

AZCoyote on May 27, 2008 at 1:45 PM

624 Charles  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:48:43am

Video now added above.

You'll have to reload the page to see it.

625 sparrowlake  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:48:50am

re: #503 buzzsawmonkey

This goes back to Biblical days, to the many Jews who were only too eager, even in their own country, to forsake the burdens of Torah observance in favor of the greater ease of Baal-worship.

Go you Blue Jays.

626 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:49:14am

re: #584 WriterMom

Don't hold your breath.

I know. I know. But I challenge every Jew I met to justify their vote for him. And I have actually found most do not know the facts and when educated about this fraud, they do seem to have an Epiphany. I also challenge non-Jews but my point was about my fellow members of the tribe.

627 nyc redneck  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:49:14am

re: #618 bosforus

Hard to be proud of a typical white person!

use them and throw them under the bus. typical hussein.

628 Bob in Breckenridge  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:49:20am

re: #83 looking closely

Could Obama have confused Auschwitz with another Nazi camp?

No. His Mom was an only child, so the "uncle" was not on her side, and his Dad's family was in Kenya. He made it up.

629 Athos  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:49:32am

re: #580 realwest

Realwest - There are those who practice the religion and I think there are those who hang on to it to use as a cover for when they are called on the moral and intellectual bankruptcy of their opinions.

630 kansas  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:50:15am

< re: #563 jetpilot1101

Actually, flying an aircraft isn't too hard once you get the trim thing down. The tough part is landing which I can only hope lefties would have problems with.

Well, I used to bang around in a 152, and 172, and would only say that flying isn't hard at all. Taking off is a little challenging and landing is a bitch. I sat right seat in a high performance aircraft once, Piper Malibu. That requires full power for landing instead of chopping the power and letting the thing land itself. Crap...that was something else. The guy that flew it made slick landing and I couldn't really tell what he was doing what with the minor corrections he was making. As far ast jetpilot, ...well if you think that is easy I can only imagine but methinks you underestimate your skills.

631 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:50:21am

F-102 Delta Dagger

F-106 Delta Dart

Ironically enough, today's featured article on Wiki is on the F-4.

632 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:50:24am
633 WriterMom  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:50:31am

re: #622 Killgore Trout

And coincidentally, here is the Washinton Post linky with a DIRECT quote.
Unless they are making up this stuff, too.

634 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:50:38am

re: #624 Charles

Video now added above.

You'll have to reload the page to see it.

Thanks Charles.

635 Just Another Four-letter Word  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:51:06am

re: #355 jamgarr

...don't know much about Science Books,
Don't know much abouot the French I took,
But I do know that I love you,
And I know that if you love me true vote for me,
What a wonderful world this would be!

JAFLW
/with apologies to the guy that wrote the original (can't think of his name...)

636 J.D.  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:51:06am

re: #632 buzzsawmonkey

I understand that this uncle of Obama's was later killed during the Clinton sniper fire incident in Bosnia.

I thought he was in the Chinese Embassy.
See how easy it is to be confused?

637 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:51:10am

re: #632 buzzsawmonkey

I understand that this uncle of Obama's was later killed during the Clinton sniper fire incident in Bosnia.

He took a bullet for Hillary? Talk about irony!

638 bosforus  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:51:11am

re: #624 Charles

Video now added above.

You'll have to reload the page to see it.

Much thanks. Yep, he will definitely hide behind the 'family story' argument.

639 WriterMom  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:51:12am

Fearless leader says RELOAD RELOAD.

lol.

640 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:51:33am

J.D.!

641 incanus  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:51:39am

BTW (OT), many F-102s ended their lives as radio-controlled drones used for target practice.

642 WriterMom  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:51:42am

re: #632 buzzsawmonkey

LOL.

643 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:51:42am

re: #633 WriterMom

The video mus be a fake!
/

644 NoSubmission  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:52:11am

This snake oil slinger wouldn't even make past one round of Jeopardy and look how far he's gotten. Frightening.

645 Kenneth  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:52:16am

This is just the latest example of Obama trying to connect Himself to great historical events. His uncle liberated Auschwitz, his parents met during the Selma March (which was 3 years after he was born), ... there will be more to come. All signs of his narcissistic personality disorder.

646 bosforus  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:52:33am

re: #643 Killgore Trout

The video mus be a fake!
/

His skin color was darker in this video. If not a fake it's definitely at least racist.

647 J.D.  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:52:42am

WARD!

648 WriterMom  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:53:01am

re: #645 Kenneth

It was his grammie-NOT ROSA PARKS on that bus.

(before he threw her under...)

649 godfrey  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:53:09am

lol

So someone found the video!

hahahah

What a loon. Listen, this is no mistake. If you had an uncle who liberated Auschwitz, wouldn't -- by now! -- have figured out what the facts were? Wouldn't you have been interested enough to find out?

I don't know what's worse: Obama making this kind of empty-headed gaffe, or Obama being so uninterested in Auschwitz that he couldn't be bothered to find out the reality of his connection to it.

650 EC Marm  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:53:13am

The BarryMeter is pegging out.

651 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:53:18am

re: #645 Kenneth

My parents met before I was born.

652 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:53:36am
653 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:53:45am

re: #583 Kenneth

I think this says everything you need to know about Obama's study of history:

We were sissy little bitch rebels who thought we were cool.

/there fixed it

654 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:54:00am

re: #650 EC Marm

So, that's where you been!

Nice!

655 realwest  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:54:06am

re: #585 shanec99 Um, do y'all have a link for that?

656 WriterMom  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:54:12am

re: #643 Killgore Trout

It's HILARIOUS.
The idiot MSM reporters were trying to help him, by reporting on their SNIFF SNIFF fearless leader-so touched by the Holocaust, and his fearless liberating uncle.

THEY also didn't know enough history and have contributed to this incredible stink hole of a mess.

THANKS MSM! GOOD ONE!

657 bosforus  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:54:29am

re: #652 song_and_dance_man

Let's get Markos on this and pronto.

LOL
[csi noise]

658 J.D.  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:54:31am

re: #650 EC Marm

The BarryMeter is pegging out.

Love it!

659 coquimbojoe  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:54:57am

He said "a uncle", now I am pissed...

660 vagabond trader  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:55:09am

re: #608 Nevergiveup

The story he wrote about his typical white granny is interesting. First time around it was quite different from the racial incident he recently recounted.

661 Athos  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:55:15am

re: #606 buzzsawmonkey

These are nothing except attempts to pander to particular groups for political advantage. To a nihilist like Barry, he will say anything because there is no real truth, just the effect of whatever he said - and the desired impact to it get others who remain clueless with reality to vote with him.

Carrying this out, I'm sure that Barry and his supporters think we are the problem with our 'petty' focus on the truth. They probably think we are missing the 'bigger picture'.

662 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:55:17am

re: #611 Ward Cleaver

The F-102 and F-106 are closely related.

Yes, I know. I got to see F-106's at Otis Air National Guard base when I was in he Explorers. Among other things, we were in a car partway down off the runway watching for problems. There was a flare gun in the roof to warn the pilot to abort. Those planes are LOUD! Especially with the kick when the afterburner is turned on.

663 blangwort  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:55:21am

Let's see:
Hillary Clinton: Junior Senator. Survived bogus sniper fire in Bosnia. Watched Husband nearly get impeached for perjury.

Barak Obama: Junior Senator. Uncle "liberated" Auschwitz. Listened with a preacher of hate for nearly half his life and didn't say a damned thing.

John McCain: Multi-term US Senator. Actually served in Vietnam. No coattails, just votes. Like him or hate him, he's the real thing.

Who knows what you're getting with the other two clowns.

664 Sponge  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:55:22am

I just had a guy in my office here gloss over all the idiotic remarks that Obama has said in the last 3 months with the comment: "Weapons of mass distruction, sir...scoreboard."

I retorted the same old, but everyone had the same intel and everyone voted for it and they have satellite imagery of Saddam moving massive trucks out of known weapons facilities...blah blah blah...and he responds with "GWB is just a puppet, his cabinet wanted the war"...

I just canNOT understand the mindset of the lefty 'hate America' crowd...it hurts to think...

665 CEQAttorney  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:55:26am

Okay, I stand corrected.

Apparently, there is a Ralph Dunham Jr, who was born in 1916 (which puts him at age 25 at the start of WWII). He's the brother of Stanley Dunham, who is Barrack Obama's grandfather. So, it is possible that Ralph Dunham Jr. also fought in WWII.

This could have been the crazy uncle who lived in the attic for six months. Though, he married an English lady in Canada in 1947.

There is no indication that this man died (though, he would be 92).

666 NoSubmission  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:55:31am

re: #650 EC Marm

The BarryMeter is pegging out.


Brilliant! just great!

667 Ol' flyboy  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:55:32am

Landings ane not so difficult...you just begin the flare when the co-pilot gasps out loud...worked for me!

668 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:55:33am

On the road and late to the thread, but ...

Reagan used to take all sorts of shit from the left over the "ball gunner" gaffe, where he told a story of heroism in WW2 that happened in a movie.

At least he didn't claim it was a family member.

Another pass for Obama.

/So this is what it is like to watch a religion being born.

669 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:55:47am

re: #650 EC Marm

Heh.

670 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:55:54am
671 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:56:02am
672 opnion  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:56:16am

re: #612 nyc redneck

why wouldn't he name the 'uncle's' name if he really existed and he was really proud of him.

Well, I unsderstand that he had another uncle that visited San Francisco for the Gay Pride Parade & subsequently spen 6 months in the closet while his brotherwas still in the attic

673 J.D.  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:56:21am

re: #663 blangwort

Let's see:
Hillary Clinton: Junior Senator. Survived bogus sniper fire in Bosnia. Watched Husband nearly get impeached for perjury.

Barak Obama: Junior Senator. Uncle "liberated" Auschwitz. Listened with a preacher of hate for nearly half his life and didn't say a damned thing.

John McCain: Multi-term US Senator. Actually served in Vietnam. No coattails, just votes. Like him or hate him, he's the real thing.

Who knows what you're getting with the other two clowns.

People seem to underestimate the creepiness...

674 Diamond Bullet  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:56:22am

Which uncle? One of the white racist ones?

This is going to be particularly hard to prove, since apparently that particular uncle lived in one of those extra 7 states that Obama thinks exist.

675 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:56:40am

re: #616 stuiec

Don't discount the shift in Israel's orientation from socialism to capitalism. The Jewish State committed three unpardonable sins from the perspective of the Left: turning its back on Socialism; proving itself militarily capable against a set of Soviet client states in the 1967 war; and aligning itself with the USA after 1967 (that is, commanding support for its policies from the USA rather than meekly obeying the USA and Britain as it did in the 1956 Sinai withdrawal).

Someone will certainly correct and expand on my reference to 1956 and 1967, but I believe I essentially have it right: before 1967, France supplied Mirage jets to Israel, and after 1967, the US took over the role of Israel's military supplier.

Maybe now that Olmerde is meekly withdrawing the left will change and like Israel again?
I'm not holding my breath.

676 alegrias  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:56:51am

re: #555 WriterMom

Not a single slob on his team has ever cracked open a history book.

* * *
Change doesn't require knowing history.

That's why Carter and Carter II seems like a great idea to democrats.

677 WriterMom  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:57:01am

re: #670 buzzsawmonkey

Silly! Auntie Semite was at home building the bombs...remember?

678 Jetpilot1101  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:57:04am

re: #630 kansas

<


Well, I used to bang around in a 152, and 172, and would only say that flying isn't hard at all. Taking off is a little challenging and landing is a bitch. I sat right seat in a high performance aircraft once, Piper Malibu. That requires full power for landing instead of chopping the power and letting the thing land itself. Crap...that was something else. The guy that flew it made slick landing and I couldn't really tell what he was doing what with the minor corrections he was making. As far ast jetpilot, ...well if you think that is easy I can only imagine but methinks you underestimate your skills.

Not to brag but I have 2600+ hours in MEJ's and 200+ in turboprops. To me it's like driving my car to work. I'm not complacent at all in the cockpit; I trust my training and my experience. It's easy for me and most of the little corrections and nuances are second nature. The challenging part is when the weather gets bad and throws low level wind shear at you or some other such pilot killer.

679 Kenneth  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:57:16am

re: #651 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My parents met before I was born.

Yeah, & my parents were married before I was born, but that's because they were old typical white people. Obama will change all that.

680 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:57:24am
681 wolfie  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:57:45am

re: #608 Nevergiveup

I have thought about reading his books. Know thy enemy and all. Of course I would never buy one, just borrow. But if that is an example, I'd never get past the fist chapter w/o puking.

The one to read is Dreams From My Father. He's much more self-conscious, careful in The Audacity of Hope, which often reads as a fuzzy campaign tract.
I borrowed a copy from a moonbat who bought it, but never actually read it. (I could tell, because I did.)

682 Charles  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:57:46am

The exact quote:

Uh ... I had a ... uncle who was one of the ... uh ... who was part of ... the first American troops to go into Auschwitz, and liberate the concentration camps. And the story in our family was is that when he came home, he just went up into the ... into the attic, and he didn’t leave the house for six months.

683 Impenitent  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:57:55am

re: #510 formercorpsman

I have no way of going through the whole thread, quick post.

Really, really beginning to wonder about the folks around this guy now.

There is so much being said in this one sentence, it is unreal.

Think about the ramifications, a government can foist upon everyone who is discharged from service, with a label.

The fact this fucker would never know what it is like to actually process through the military, makes me fume seeing his assertions of how they are treated now.

This privileged, presumptuous, pomp ass, candy-assed bastard has no ability speak on any position of authority as it relates to our military, he should just keep his trap shut.

Good lord, I really am concerned thinking he might get into office.

DITTO

684 MandyManners  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:57:56am

re: #585 shanec99

See the video.

685 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:58:21am

re: #590 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I'd kill for a ride in a fighter jet of any sort!


There's a lot of air shows during the summer. You could just flirt with a Thunderbirds or Blue Angels pilot.

Of course, that didn't work so well when I tried it,...

686 indythinker  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:58:49am

Your are all missing the point.

Maybe his uncle was in the Soviet Red Army.

687 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:58:54am

re: #607 alegrias

Democrats Threaten Army

Illegal aliens' children are ok, but NOT Army Brats!

Can't have Pentagon moving into our community, says Democrat Storck of Northern Virginia (Jim Webb country, you know, possible military Vice Presidential candidate with Obama)

"...We don’t expect them to change until others force them to change.”


[Link: www.examiner.com...]

I read the article and I'm a little confused. Is the pentagon like a big spaceship that can move around? I'd be worried if it tried to move into my community too. We don't have a field big enough on my block.

688 JammieWearingFool  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:59:10am

re: #682 Charles

Uh ... I had a ... uncle who was one of the ... uh ... who was part of ... the first American troops to go into Auschwitz, and liberate the concentration camps. And the story in our family was is that when he came home, he just went up into the ... into the attic, and he didn’t leave the house for six months.

The Wizard of Uhhhs.

689 marjoriemoon  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:59:19am

Not that I'm itching to give the man the benefit of the doubt, but could he have simply named the wrong camp? Here is a directory of which camps were liberated by which countries.

[Link: www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...]

690 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:59:59am
691 Render  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:00:06am

Barry Ho's got an "um" or an "uh" in between every single word of his in that video.

He's making it up as he goes along.

Was he ever a member of Milli Vanilli?

AS
WELL,
R

692 Spiny Norman  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:00:26am

I know how this will be spun by his handlers and the media (but I repeat myself).

You see? He was speaking of a "larger truth", how everyone involved in liberating Nazi-occupied Europe effectively liberated the camps, not just the individual soldiers and their units at any individual camp.

That is true, in a way, which is why it will work. Expect this gaffe to be utterly forgotten by this time next week. Expect some trumped-up "scandal" involving a McCain staffer to knock it off the front page by then.

693 David Simon  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:00:47am

re: #616 stuiec

commanding support for its policies from the USA rather than meekly obeying the USA and Britain as it did in the 1956 Sinai withdrawal).

I think you mean USSR, not Britain.

694 Captain Jack  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:00:50am

The media agree with him ideologically so he gets a pass. The general public will never hear about any of his gaffes.

695 J.D.  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:00:53am

re: #680 Killgore Trout

Good news for winos...
Heavy Drinkers' Genes May Cut Cancer Risk

Drink to Your Health?

The U.S. Department of Agriculture and Department of and Health and Human Services defines moderate drinking as no more than one drink a day for women and people over 60, and two drinks a day for men.

Figures.
And another thing...why are men's alterations free but women's are not? Hmmm?

/rant off

696 WriterMom  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:01:00am

re: #682 Charles

Pathological liar.

697 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:01:05am

Dammit...had to go make some toast.

698 maddogg  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:01:05am

re: #650 EC Marm

You may have to expand the scale before this election is over. Bake it logarithmic, like decibel scale or something.

699 marjoriemoon  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:01:11am

re: #691 Render

Barry Ho's got an "um" or an "uh" in between every single word of his in that video.

He's making it up as he goes along.

Was he ever a member of Milli Vanilli?

AS
WELL,
R

LOL I knew he looked familiar!

700 jcm  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:01:27am

F-102 which GWB flew had a very nasty bite.

Look closely at the air intakes.

When a plane takes of the Angle of Attack (AOA) is with the nose higher than the direction of travel, this increase the lift produced at lower speeds. If the AOA is two high, lose of lift and stall (airplane falls out of sky) occurs, this is fun with lot of room to recover but lethal if the ground is too close.

The problem with the 102 was not the wing stalling but air flowing into the engines stalling. Airflow would be disrupted, and the engine at highpower for takeoff would suffer a compressor stall for lack of airflow.

The 102's response to situation was to roll inverted, pitch the nose down, and imitate a lawn dart.

Inattentive piloting in the 102 had a bite.

701 Just Above Average  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:01:59am

I am an lgf neophyte. I am told this makes me a baby lizard. Whereas for months I have thoroughly enjoyed the engaged, at times even enlightened topical banter, I still feel like the 19 yr old college kid, (Chicago in the late 70's) standing in line for the midnight showing of the Rocky Horror Picture Show. Three young ladies (or so I thought) dressed oddly for a Chicago winter night, aggressively approached me, pointing fingers at me, throwing things at me and screaming at me, "Virgin, Virgin, Virgin!" Shrinking back into the crowd, my first thought was, 'how do they know?'

So kid gloves at first for this baby lizard. With this as an inaugural backdrop, I have to ask perhaps a silly question relating to BHO:

Does BHO sincerely believe his own message or is he just out to fool as many voters as possible? Someone is bound to say, "which message since he has so many crazy ideas?"

702 NoSubmission  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:02:15am

re: #682 Charles

The exact quote:


Sure wish GoddessoftheClassroom were here to analyze the lack of English grammatical skills this great orator has.

703 Spider Mensch  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:02:20am

re: #645 Kenneth

This is just the latest example of Obama trying to connect Himself to great historical events. His uncle liberated Auschwitz, his parents met during the Selma March (which was 3 years after he was born), ... there will be more to come. All signs of his narcissistic personality disorder.

obamaman is a real life Forrest Gump! and from his knowledge level I'd say that comparison may not be much of a stretch.

704 Kenneth  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:02:26am

Obama and the Year of Living Dangerously,

On September 30, 1965 six of the Indonesian military's most senior officers were executed in an attempted coup by the so-called 30 September Movement, a group from within the armed forces. Within a few hours, Major General Suharto took control of the army and launched counteraction, and by the following day it was clear the poorly-coordinated coup had failed. Anti-communists, initially following the army's lead, went on a violent purge of suspected communists, killing an estimated half million people and destroying the PKI, which was blamed for the coup. In March 1967, the Indonesian parliament (MPRS) named General Suharto acting president.

In the summer of 1967, Obama moved to Jakarta, Indonesia with his mother & step-father.

Who the hell moves their family to a country immediately following a genocide?

705 maddogg  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:02:27am

re: #698 maddogg

"make it" PIMF.

706 indythinker  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:03:16am

re: #664 Sponge

I just had a guy in my office here gloss over all the idiotic remarks that Obama has said in the last 3 months with the comment: "Weapons of mass distruction, sir...scoreboard."

Just say: Libya, AQ Khan, Syria

707 TheTick  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:03:21am

Currently, the Auschwitz entry on Wikipedia has the following:

"However on Memorial Day, May 26, 2008 Democratic Presidential Candidate Barack Obama claimed his uncle was part of an American Division that assisted in the liberation. Historians are unaware of any such division."

How long do you think that will last?

708 stuiec  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:03:25am

re: #587 Render

Regarding the vague estimates given by the Department of Defense...

[Link: www.defenselink.mil...]

I suspect the number is vague because the DoD wants it that way.

Link dated Oct. 4, 2001. How have the numbers changed in the past 6-1/2 years?

Regarding the Muslim-American call-to-arms...

[Link: www.icgt.org...]

"The fatwa replies to a religious question presented by Chaplain
Muhammad Abdur-Rashid, the most senior Muslim chaplain in the American Armed forces concerning the permissibility of the Muslim military personnel within the US Armed Forces to participate in the war and its related efforts in Afghanistan and elsewhere in other Muslim countries.

Dr. Al-alawani stressed the importance of American Muslims in
the military to defend their country and to combat terrorism. He also
stated that American Muslims have an obligation to abide by the laws of the U.S. and should stand together with other Americans to protect the security interests of their country.

"Muslims are part of the American society. Anyone who feels he’s
fighting in a just war must fight," said Dr. Al-alawani."

I'll accept this as the sort of thing I was referring to. Note, however, that it isn't a call to arms: it's a reassurance to those already serving (as of the date of Oct. 11, 2001) that their service is not incompatible with Islam. Not hardly the same thing as asking the young men and women of the community to join up, but still a commendable message.

THEY
SERVE
TOO,
R

I don't dispute that statement. Because the Japanese-Americans after Pearl Harbor occupy an analogous niche in American history to Muslim-Americans after 9/11, I am comparing the "go for broke" spirit of the Nisei brigades with the response of the Muslim-American community to 9/11 and the subsequent wars against Islamofascism.

709 vxbush  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:03:26am

re: #701 Just Above Average

Does BHO sincerely believe his own message or is he just out to fool as many voters as possible? Someone is bound to say, "which message since he has so many crazy ideas?"

His message is vacuous, so it can mean whatever people want. His intentions, as clearly documented in his voting record (at least, when he has voted), are quite leftist and socialist.

710 WriterMom  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:03:28am
711 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:03:34am

The more I think on this, the more I realize how damaging this lie, if it should prove to be a lie, should sink this mans campaign.

712 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:03:46am
713 J.D.  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:03:46am

re: #701 Just Above Average

"Which message since he has so many crazy ideas?"

/had to

714 Athos  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:03:50am

re: #707 TheTick

It will be measured in shakes.

715 marjoriemoon  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:04:01am

All I can say is thank God Hillary didn't say it. Yeesh.

716 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:04:08am

I just watched the video, and all I can think is, "What a bunch of bullshit". The pregnant pauses, the whole "my uncle hid out in the attic for six months" line, the topical angle vis a' vis mental heath care in VA hospitals - all bullshit.

717 indythinker  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:04:10am

re: #704 Kenneth

Obama and the Year of Living Dangerously,

Who the hell moves their family to a country immediately following a genocide?

Has Obama specifically condemned that genocide, or the East Timor genocide?

718 goforbroke  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:04:11am

There was something on Rush that had Obama giving his speech commenting on dead war veterans and then said "I see we have a few in the crowd today" (this was paraphrases).

719 Kenneth  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:04:20am

re: #696 WriterMom

Bingo. Pathological narcissistic liar.

720 realwest  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:04:37am

re: #665 CEQAttorney
Links, please?

721 Sponge  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:04:40am

re: #706 indythinker

I did. I mentioned that we saw him moving loaded down trucks into various countries, but I'm just a nieve idiot...

722 pegcity  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:05:02am

re: #707 TheTick

10 minutes tops, its a stupid entry.

Aushwitz is not a political football

723 Athos  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:05:07am

re: #716 Ward Cleaver

But panders directly to his core base...

724 lawhawk  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:05:12am

re: #609 WriterMom

When I first read it, I posited that the reporter could have invented those details, but when Hot Air noted that WaPo got the same story, I have to conclude that Obama said it.

The gaffe isn't on the media here for reporting what Obama said. It's that they aren't questioning what he said - they're historically illiterate and don't know their geography any better than Obama.

725 JammieWearingFool  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:05:17am

re: #707 TheTick

Currently, the Auschwitz entry on Wikipedia has the following:

"However on Memorial Day, May 26, 2008 Democratic Presidential Candidate Barack Obama claimed his uncle was part of an American Division that assisted in the liberation. Historians are unaware of any such division."

How long do you think that will last?

It's gone already.

726 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:05:27am

re: #701 Just Above Average

Welcome.

Does BHO sincerely believe his own message or is he just out to fool as many voters as possible?

I don't know. I can't get a vibe for how much he believes his own BS. I suspect he's an idealist and believes he can change the world and alter reality. I also think his ego is enormous.

727 J.D.  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:05:28am

re: #715 marjoriemoon

All I can say is thank God Hillary didn't say it. Yeesh.

The Hillary who was named after Sir Edmund Hillary? That Hillary?

Hi marjorie! Long time no see.

728 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:05:33am

re: #701 Just Above Average

You'll be fine.

729 blangwort  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:05:35am

re: #673 J.D.

People seem to underestimate the creepiness...

I think prior presidents have broadened the public's acceptance of creeps so much that nobody seems to notice creepiness much these days...

I propose that in this race for the bottom we nominate a member of the Log Cabin Republicans. Why stop at mediocre when you can have truly awful choices?

730 right_on_target  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:05:38am

re: #682 Charles

The exact quote:
Uh ... I had a ... uncle who was one of the ... uh ... who was part of ... the first American troops to go into Auschwitz, and liberate the concentration camps. And the story in our family was is that when he came home, he just went up into the ... into the attic, and he didn’t leave the house for six months.

He was making it up as his speech progressed. Took his eyes off his prepared speech and lost his place?

731 sparrowlake  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:06:03am

re: #692 Spiny Norman

I know how this will be spun by his handlers and the media (but I repeat myself).
You see? He was speaking of a "larger truth", how everyone involved in liberating Nazi-occupied Europe effectively liberated the camps, not just the individual soldiers and their units at any individual camp.
That is true, in a way, which is why it will work. Expect this gaffe to be utterly forgotten by this time next week. Expect some trumped-up "scandal" involving a McCain staffer to knock it off the front page by then.

You are correct. Liberation of the camps was a generational event.

732 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:06:18am
733 Kenneth  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:06:20am

re: #710 WriterMom

Charles!

It seems to have disappeared off of Obama's web site.

Change you can believe in!@?

734 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:06:37am

re: #686 indythinker

Your are all missing the point.

Maybe his uncle was in the Soviet Red Army.

Yep Uncle Joe, head of the whole damn thing.

735 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:06:50am

re: #380 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

That requires energy. Mine runs on sour milk. All you have to do is leave the stuff out.

736 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:06:56am

re: #704 Kenneth

Obama and the Year of Living Dangerously,

Who the hell moves their family to a country immediately following a genocide?

Especially when you're sympathizers with those who were killed (Communists).

737 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:06:57am

re: #710 WriterMom

Charles!

It seems to have disappeared off of Obama's web site.

Is it possible to create "THINGSTHATHAVEBEENDELETEDFROMOBAMASWEBSITE.COM" ?

738 marjoriemoon  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:07:01am

re: #727 J.D.

The Hillary who was named after Sir Edmund Hillary? That Hillary?

Hi marjorie! Long time no see.

LOL J.D. (waving)! Why, yes, you do know of course that's how she got her name. I know it's fact because I heard it at an Obama rally.

739 Just Above Average  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:07:02am

re: #713 J.D.
I expected nothing less

740 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:07:14am
741 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:07:21am

re: #710 WriterMom

Heh. They're going to need a bigger memory hole. the old one is getting full.

742 Kenneth  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:07:23am

re: #737 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Is it possible to create "THINGSTHATHAVEBEENDELETEDFROMOBAMASWEB SITE.COM"?

Brilliant!

743 WriterMom  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:07:39am

re: #724 lawhawk

That's what I mean-it's ironic that because they are so ignorant of history, and were reporting the story in such a sympathetic way-but it is SUCH a whopper-they are contributing to the anti-Obama position. The reporters did not make a mistake-they reported it exactly as it was.

744 little boomer  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:07:54am

What a jackass.

Well, my dad shook the hand of a civil war vet who shook the hand of the last survivor of the battle of Bunker Hill. (True actually)

745 Cygnus  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:07:57am

re: #551 jcm

You'll get a kick out of this, with your musical bent.

I'm sorting through family pictures. I find the the following pictures of my uncle. He's never mentioned this but I've got the pictures.

He plays the piano and a series of pictures show him accompanying Roy Rodgers and Dale Evans, Pat Boone, and several different Billy Graham Crusades. I gotta' talk with my uncle. ;-)

Cool! I'd love to see those myself.

746 MandyManners  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:08:10am

re: #710 WriterMom

Charles!

It seems to have disappeared off of Obama's web site.

What disappeared?

747 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:08:17am

re: #725 JammieWearingFool

It's gone already.

Down the memory hole! WHEEE!

748 tfc3rid  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:08:22am

re: #682 Charles

The exact quote:

So eloquent... I'm sure his eyes were darting all over the place too...

749 WriterMom  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:08:31am

re: #737 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yes, they registered that domain along with:

PEOPLEOBAMAHASTHROWNUNDERTHEBUS.COM

750 Gjergj Skënderbeu  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:08:41am

re: #682 Charles

The exact quote:

Beyond hilarious!

751 abu lahab  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:09:09am

Never heard of Ivan Hussein Omabavich, sorry !

752 Kenneth  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:09:44am

McCain Asks Obama To Visit Iraq With Him

This I gotta see. I bet Obama captures Saddam!

753 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:09:58am

re: #746 MandyManners

They edited out the paragraph about Auschwitz

754 J.D.  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:09:58am

re: #738 marjoriemoon

LOL J.D. (waving)! Why, yes, you do know of course that's how she got her name. I know it's fact because I heard it at an Obama rally.

Another matter settled on LGF. What a thread! What a day! LOL!

755 mean Gene  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:10:01am

Barry's constituency are just the sort to not care whether it is true or not.
The Obama supporters I have personally spoken with are among some of the most oblivious persons I have ever met!

Knowing this is why he will keep saying stuff like this.

756 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:10:07am

One of the commenters on the YouTube video was complaining about how McCain and Obama get away with gaffes, while Hillary gets called on them.

The whole Bosnian sniper fire thing? Not a gaffe. A lie.

757 maddogg  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:10:28am

The left has a history of clinging to fake heros, after all, its generally the best they can do...

758 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:10:34am

Just watched the video, what a load of pandering crap

759 Charles  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:10:41am

re: #710 WriterMom

Charles!

It seems to have disappeared off of Obama's web site.

It looks like this may have been an impromptu Q&A following his prepared speech. Notice he's out from behind the podium, walking around the stage.

760 Russkilitlover  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:10:48am

His Uncle says he liberated Auschwitz? And then that Uncle stayed in an attic? Ah-ha! This must be the crazy uncle BHO was referring to during the preacher debacle.

761 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:11:06am

re: #701 Just Above Average

I am an lgf neophyte. I am told this makes me a baby lizard. Whereas for months I have thoroughly enjoyed the engaged, at times even enlightened topical banter, I still feel like the 19 yr old college kid, (Chicago in the late 70's) standing in line for the midnight showing of the Rocky Horror Picture Show. Three young ladies (or so I thought) dressed oddly for a Chicago winter night, aggressively approached me, pointing fingers at me, throwing things at me and screaming at me, "Virgin, Virgin, Virgin!" Shrinking back into the crowd, my first thought was, 'how do they know?'

So kid gloves at first for this baby lizard. With this as an inaugural backdrop, I have to ask perhaps a silly question relating to BHO:

Does BHO sincerely believe his own message or is he just out to fool as many voters as possible? Someone is bound to say, "which message since he has so many crazy ideas?"

Barry believes nothing as far as I'm concerned. He was brought up to be an empty vessel to fill with every socialist/communist/anti-american thought that his "friends", "uncles", and trainers could come up with. One needs to think about Phillip K. Dick or Star Trek, "does a created being have independent ideas, or is it just programmed to think this way."
And no offense to Skinner (the lizard), but Obam is an example of what a lot of people feared from B.F. Skinners theories.

762 mean Gene  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:11:35am

I didn't even know they had attics in Kenya.

763 J.D.  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:11:49am

re: #739 Just Above Average

I expected nothing less

Welcome!
You really are quite new!

764 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:11:53am
765 JammieWearingFool  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:11:55am

I know McCain will want to be portrayed as a nice guy and be above board (not that it'll help), so if anyone at the RNC is reading, you folks better be taking notes with the Obama gaffe-a-thons.

Get the commercial rolling.

766 jcm  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:11:59am

OT

WiFi Allergies covered by ADA?
(Rush talking about it)

This is the case of a group in Santa Fe, New Mexico, which is seeking a ban on Wi-Fi signals in public buildings because they have an allergic reaction to it, a report from local TV station KOB revealed.

Okay, back in your Faraday cage now.

767 Just Another Four-letter Word[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:12:30am
768 J.D.  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:12:42am

re: #762 mean Gene

I didn't even know they had attics in Kenya.

LOLOLOLOL!

769 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:12:43am
770 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:12:50am

re: #751 abu lahab

Never heard of Ivan Hussein Omabavich, sorry !

Hero of Great Patriotic War!

Strike up the Soviet National Anthem!

/the decemberists!

771 Cygnus  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:13:19am

re: #604 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Coming in 2nd only to the Bengals

And then the Mariners win the World Series in 4 games!

772 alegrias  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:13:29am

re: #687 Mars Needs Neocons

I read the article and I'm a little confused. Is the pentagon like a big spaceship that can move around? I'd be worried if it tried to move into my community too. We don't have a field big enough on my block.

* * *
The Pentagon is a porkbarrel perk when democrats want it to be, and a mental illness otherwise!

BUT, these same Democrats object to CHILDREN of military people attending school in their district, after democrats lobbied to get military agencies to relocate in their district for the jobs it would bring.

These same democrats had no problem with the influx of thousands of undocumented, non-English speaking children coming into their Prince William and Fairfax Country schools.

773 Zim  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:13:29am

Obama is such a joke. The democrats have to be worried

774 Spiny Norman  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:13:41am

re: #700 jcm

F-102 which GWB flew had a very nasty bite.

Look closely at the air intakes.

When a plane takes of the Angle of Attack (AOA) is with the nose higher than the direction of travel, this increase the lift produced at lower speeds. If the AOA is two high, lose of lift and stall (airplane falls out of sky) occurs, this is fun with lot of room to recover but lethal if the ground is too close.

The problem with the 102 was not the wing stalling but air flowing into the engines stalling. Airflow would be disrupted, and the engine at highpower for takeoff would suffer a compressor stall for lack of airflow.

The 102's response to situation was to roll inverted, pitch the nose down, and imitate a lawn dart.

Inattentive piloting in the 102 had a bite.

The first US jet fighter, the Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star, had the same problem, only it was even worse. The plane killed a few WWII aces, including Richard Bong and Don Gentile.

775 vxbush  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:13:53am

re: #766 jcm

OT

WiFi Allergies covered by ADA?
(Rush talking about it)

Okay, back in your Faraday cage now.

Best reply on this is at Junk Food Science.

776 MandyManners  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:14:12am

re: #753 Killgore Trout

They edited out the paragraph about Auschwitz

Oh, boy! They know people are onto them!

777 Just Above Average  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:14:25am

re: #726 Killgore Trout

Thanks for the welcome. My point is that if BHO actually believes himself, he is far scarier than if he is just saying stuff the left wants to hear in order to get elected.

Huge ego is a fundamental requirement for any presidential candidate; BHO is no exception.

778 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:14:25am

re: #759 Charles

It looks like this may have been an impromptu Q&A following his prepared speech. Notice he's out from behind the podium, walking around the stage.

What he needs is a special pair of glasses, with a built-in projector, to project teleprompter lines onto the inside of the lenses.

779 Charles  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:14:34am

Looks like the full speech is here:

780 godfrey  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:14:38am

Well, good thing the WaPo writer mentioned this remark. We might not have heard of it, otherwise.

Makes you wonder how many more Obama gaffes and falsehoods have gone unreported, or unnoticed.

His entire image is a house of cards. Nice to see it all tumbling down. Keep at it, one card at a time, until election day.

781 Cygnus  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:14:41am

re: #611 Ward Cleaver

The F-102 and F-106 are closely related.

Did they evolve from the F-86? :P

782 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:14:44am

Obama's claim can't possibly be true, because in fact MY uncle liberated Auschwitz along with his Green Beret A Team. They parachuted in from a B-1 Bomber (the B-2 hadn't been invented yet), and used their night vision devices to guide in laser-guided bombs to destroy the HQ of Colonel Klink and the other Nazi guards. His team all prepared after-action reports on MS Word, which are in the hands of Lucy Ramirez.

783 David Simon  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:14:47am

re: #741 Killgore Trout

They're going to need a bigger memory hole.

Lucky for them, Andrew Sullivan is on the team.

784 Spiny Norman  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:15:18am

re: #759 Charles

It looks like this may have been an impromptu Q&A following his prepared speech. Notice he's out from behind the podium, walking around the stage.

"Impromptu" and Barry apparently don't mix. This isn't the first time it's caused him trouble.

;^)

785 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:15:24am

re: #783 David Simon

Lucky for them, Andrew Sullivan is on the team.

Ewww!

786 J.D.  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:15:26am

re: #782 Occasional Reader

The truth will out.

787 Jetpilot1101  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:15:28am

1.What did BHO's uncle do between the liberation and the attic debauchle?

2. After liberating Auschwitz, did he spend the interim time in an attic in Poland before he made his way home to spend six months in an attic in the US?

3. Why did he come home and spend time in an attic?

4. What was it about the US that made him want to hide in an attic?

These are the questions I would like answers to.

788 JammieWearingFool  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:15:28am

re: #766 jcm

OT

WiFi Allergies covered by ADA?
(Rush talking about it)


Okay, back in your Faraday cage now.

Come to think of it, I do sneeze more when I'm in my heavily-wired office. Where do I get the check for my new disability?

789 Kenneth  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:15:35am

re: #783 David Simon

Eeewww.

790 canadianally  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:16:10am

Where can I find the video of the Auschwitz gaffe/lie?

791 Athos  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:16:24am

re: #773 Zim

Obama is such a joke. The democrats have to be worried

Most of them are clueless and still disabled by their raging BDS...they delude themselves in the viewpoint that everyone thinks like them...except for the few bitter people in flyover country clinging to their guns and religion.

It's going to be just like 1972, when one prominent NY leftie was shocked that Nixon won re-election because no one she knew in her circle of friends voted for Nixon.

792 debutaunt  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:16:25am

re: #146 mikeinmd

I keep waiting for him to drop the "yeah,that's the ticket" line after he says this crap.

HAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAAA

793 Just Another Four-letter Word  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:16:36am

re: #565 Kenneth

Bush flew the F-102, a very difficult bird to manage.

Between the 102 and the 106, they were responsible for a LOT of Pilot-Induced Errors (a fancy term for *crash*). You had to stay on top of them all the time, they would get away from you in a heartbeat and you were toast if you weren't at least 20K AGL.

So sayeth my father's and my friends, who should know as they actually FLEW them...

JAFLW

794 nikis-knight  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:17:00am

re: #503 buzzsawmonkey

Where the Left is concerned, it is simple. The Left seeks to homogenize everyone as part of the Worker State. Jews, as quintessential outsiders, do not homogenize, and are therefore worthy of hatred. Understand that this hatred of which I am speaking is based purely on Leftist ideology, though it may build on other forms of antisemitism in individual persons.

It can't be that simple. Why so much support for multi-culturalism then?

795 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:17:02am

re: #781 Cygnus

Did they evolve from the F-86? :P

No, they were intelligently designed.

:-0

796 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:17:23am

re: #548 The Pulchritudinous Patriot


Y

ou know what ticks me off when they say that President Bush is an idiot is the fact that they let the man fly F15's (or 16's?).

F-102 Delta Dagger. The F-15 and F-16 were not in service yet when Bush flew.

797 WriterMom  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:17:24am

re: #782 Occasional Reader

My hero!

798 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:17:38am

re: #761 Mars Needs Neocons

Barry believes nothing as far as I'm concerned. He was brought up to be an empty vessel to fill with every socialist/communist/anti-american thought that his "friends", "uncles", and trainers could come up with. One needs to think about Phillip K. Dick or Star Trek, "does a created being have independent ideas, or is it just programmed to think this way."
And no offense to Skinner (the lizard), but Obam is an example of what a lot of people feared from B.F. Skinners theories.

Well let me correct myself. Not exactly, because Obama was programmed, he's never had a natural response to adjust.

799 Athos  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:17:44am

re: #783 David Simon

He's just a bigger 'hole.

800 MandyManners  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:17:46am

re: #790 canadianally

Where can I find the video of the Auschwitz gaffe/lie?

At the top.

801 venezuela lover  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:17:51am

re: #38 mj

Add to this that Obama doesn't know the difference between Memorial Day and Veterans Day...and then tries to cover that up too:

As Powerline noted:

Memorial Day honors those who have died in our nation's military service. Is it possible that Obama does not know this? Sometimes the things that come out of his mouth defy understanding.


And this:

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

Veterans Day and Memorial Day are patriotic U.S. days of respect and remembrance of our military. Of course, since Obama is not patriotic, it is easy to see how he doesn't know the meaning of these days. Ask him about Che's birthday, the anniversary of Stalins death, Fidels Victories, Chavez's national holiday celebrating his attempted coup d'etat, or Ahmadinerjack's celebration of American hostages in Tehran. Obama will have no gaffes there.

802 alegrias  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:18:00am

re: #729 blangwort

* * *
Log Cabin Americans believe in Abraham Lincoln & America. That's good in my book.

803 J.D.  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:18:02am

re: #795 Ward Cleaver

No, they were intelligently designed.

:-0

Let's don't even go there.
/phew

804 stuiec  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:18:42am

re: #700 jcm

Bill Whittle's excellent post showing the cockpit of the F-106 (as a stand-in for Lt. Bush's F-102): Somewhere in Texas, a Village is missing its Idiot.

People like Michael Moore and Bill Maher and Keith Olberman would not be able to figure out how to close the canopy on an F-102. These people would be weeping with fear when those afterburners light up and you barrel down that runway hoping that engine doesn't flame out and roll you inverted into the asphalt, or when you're rocketing through the soup at 300mph watching two little needles chase each other, praying the next thing you see out the window is a runway and not a mountain goat.

George W. Bush is not stupid. It's not possible to be a moron and fly a supersonic jet fighter, and everyone knows it.

805 J.D.  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:18:44am

re: #802 alegrias

* * *
Log Cabin Americans believe in Abraham Lincoln & America. That's good in my book.

Google it, alegrias.

806 Abu Lahab  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:18:45am

re: #770 Ward Cleaver
Imagine that some people buy a ticket to listen to this!

807 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:18:48am

re: #793 Just Another Four-letter Word

a fancy term for *crash*

My favorite aviation euphemism is "controlled flight into terrain".

808 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:18:48am

re: #792 debutaunt

HAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAAA

I was thinking Tommy Flanagan too.

/morrr-gan fairchild!

809 godfrey  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:19:07am

How is Obama going to worm his way out of this one?

810 JammieWearingFool  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:19:15am

My father shipped off to occupied Japan in September 1945. Maybe if I run for office someday I can get all nostalgic about him piloting the Enola Gay.

811 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:19:15am

From NRO:

UPDATE: An Ace of Spades commenter thinks it is Ralph Dunham. I largely concur with the assessment of Campaign Spot reader Dave:

What bothers me about this statement is not that Obama calls his great-uncle "uncle" (I do that myself), or that he doesn't personally know that Uncle Ralph could not have liberated Auschwitz, since the Russians did that, but rather:

1) he doesn't think facts important enough to have a staff member check his old family stories before sharing them

and, more importantly

2) the point of his telling the story was not that his uncle was a hero, but rather a victim, spending several months holed up in an attic, upon his return from the war.

812 quickjustice  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:19:29am

No one will hold Obama accountable for this stuff. Before he was elected president, and well into his presidency, Bill Clinton fabricated stuff on a daily basis, and his popularity only increased. Obama is like the young Bill Clinton in being able to fabricate stuff without consequences.

Unless McCain can figure out the "vision thing", he's going to have a big problem beating Obama in the general election.

813 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:19:58am

re: #803 J.D.

Let's don't even go there.
/phew

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

J.D.!

814 jcm  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:20:12am

re: #781 Cygnus

Did they evolve from the F-86? :P

Century Series.
* North American F-100 Super Sabre
* McDonnell Douglas F-101 Voodoo
* Convair F-102 Delta Dagger
* Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
* Republic F-105 Thunderchief
* Convair F-106 Delta Dart
Some include the F-111 Aardvark.

The Series was a concert effort for supersonic intercept / air superiority fighters.

A lot of knowledge from previous jets went into them.

815 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:21:36am

re: #810 JammieWearingFool

My father shipped off to occupied Japan in September 1945. Maybe if I run for office someday I can get all nostalgic about him piloting the Enola Gay.

Enola Gay would be a bit controversial. I'd recommend having him plant the flag at Iwo Jima instead (in September 1945). By then, our public schools will have done their work, and nobody will be able to fact-check you anyway.

816 Cygnus  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:21:44am

re: #710 WriterMom

Charles!

It seems to have disappeared off of Obama's web site.

Down the memory hole.

817 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:21:48am

re: #812 quickjustice

No one will hold Obama accountable for this stuff. Before he was elected president, and well into his presidency, Bill Clinton fabricated stuff on a daily basis, and his popularity only increased. Obama is like the young Bill Clinton in being able to fabricate stuff without consequences.

Unless McCain can figure out the "vision thing", he's going to have a big problem beating Obama in the general election.

He should just do TV ads where he hits the remote, an Obama lie plays, then he says, "Bullshit!", then proceeds to Obama on his whopper.

818 leprechaun  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:22:17am

This reminds me of my great, great uncle. He served under Patton and helped liberate Mauthausen. Many years later, Hollywood decided to put the liberation into some movie or other. However, instead of showing his unit liberating the camp, they decided to make the film a bit more diverse and insert (ahistorically) an African-American unit into the scene in place of my relative's unit, liberating the survivors.

This greatly angered my great, great uncle. In fact it was probably the straw that broke the camels back. He became a staunch Republican in the later part of his life. He was probably one of the few Jews in the Northeast who was a staunch supporter of BUSH in the 2000 PRIMARIES. He even contributed to the campaign.

I remember visiting him in his house in Maine. He joked about how he didn't even need a campaign sticker. He just kept the one he had from '92.

I think a lot of his support was just a big F U to the liberals in Hollywood, who misappropriated the story of him and his war buddies to score some political feel good points.

Obama beware.

819 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:22:21am

re: #817 Ward Cleaver

He should just do TV ads where he hits the remote, an Obama lie plays, then he says, "Bullshit!", then proceeds to Obama on his whopper.

Call Obama on his whopper.

PIMF

820 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:22:26am

re: #761 Mars Needs Neocons

Barry believes nothing as far as I'm concerned. He was brought up to be an empty vessel to fill with every socialist/communist/anti-american thought that his "friends", "uncles", and trainers could come up with. One needs to think about Phillip K. Dick or Star Trek, "does a created being have independent ideas, or is it just programmed to think this way."
And no offense to Skinner (the lizard), but Obam is an example of what a lot of people feared from B.F. Skinners theories.

Unfortunately, this is what our educational system is turning out now. Obama is just ahead of the times.

821 Kenneth  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:22:36am

I'm listening to Obama's speech now. It sounds like a pastiche of every Memorial Day cliche mixed in with modern PC multi-culti babble & read with no discernible conviction or warmth. He could be reading a bus timetable.

What a jerk.

822 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:22:46am

re: #794 nikis-knight

It can't be that simple. Why so much support for multi-culturalism then?

Ideological homogonization is something quite different from the multicultural thing. They actually want a wide variety of people all thinking the same correct things.

823 jcm  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:22:55am

re: #793 Just Another Four-letter Word

Between the 102 and the 106, they were responsible for a LOT of Pilot-Induced Errors (a fancy term for *crash*). You had to stay on top of them all the time, they would get away from you in a heartbeat and you were toast if you weren't at least 20K AGL.

So sayeth my father's and my friends, who should know as they actually FLEW them...

JAFLW

Task load for a F-102 driver.
Hand fly a touching airplane in all weather conditions.
Navigate.
Operate intercept radar set.
Fly the intercept.
Coordinate with other fighters.
Intercept and not collide with target, in dark, clouds etc...
Select, arm and fire weapons.

ALL AT THE SAME TIME!

824 NoSubmission  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:22:58am

Now here's a presidential candidate with a military family we can all be proud of!

825 Charles  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:23:32am

re: #816 Cygnus

Down the memory hole.

No -- in this case they didn't edit anything out or make anything disappear.

He delivered the speech almost exactly as it's printed at the Obama site.

The Auschwitz remarks were apparently made in a Q&A session after the prepared speech.

826 joncelli  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:23:41am

re: #183 yitzy

US troops did liberate Buchenwald, and some smaller camps, and the British liberated Bergen-Belsen. He might have been discussing his grandfather, also. Nevertheless, that's two errors in one pander -- which is bad even by Washington standards.

827 Just Above Average  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:23:58am

re: #763 J.D.

New indeed. But after 24 yrs of marriage, no longer a virgin.

828 alegrias  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:24:09am

re: #805 J.D.

Google it, alegrias.

* * *
Thanks but I don't disrespect Log Cabin Republicans.

If you're for defending the US with vigor, welcome to my foxhole.

829 lawhawk  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:24:14am

re: #807 Occasional Reader

Somewhere there's a video showing just that latter bit - a F16 pilot getting too close to the mountains and sucking in tree branches.

830 HippieforLife  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:24:17am

re: #106 Kenneth

That's true. Stress does effect people differently. My husband was just recently diagnosed with PTSD, 36 years after he got home from Vietnam. I think he may have done a little BS'ing, but many of the things that he has noticed fit the bill.

However, even after 35 years together I will always say that he is the nicest person that I know. The idea that a person spent 6 months in an attic because he had been to war is just hyperbole. Maybe the poor guy was happy to live anywhere with hot & cold running water and indoor plumbing!

831 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:24:17am

Aside the usual antisemite, most folks will interpret this lie of Barry's as one that impinges upon all sensibilities. Lying for political gain about a family member who liberated Jews at Auschwitz is reprehensible.

832 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:24:19am

re: #821 Kenneth

I'm listening to Obama's speech now. It sounds like a pastiche of every Memorial Day cliche mixed in with modern PC multi-culti babble & read with no discernible conviction or warmth. He could be reading a bus timetable.

What a jerk.

Yup, cynical crap calculated to attract votes from the sheeple.

833 marjoriemoon  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:24:37am

It could be true and his uncle was in a platoon that liberated another camp, not Aushwitz and he simply mispoke.

If it's true it's a hellofa thing to mispeak. We as family of survivors know exactly the names of the camps where our families were killed. I would think those names would be etched in the minds of every soldier that entered such a horrifying scene.

Anyway, whether true or not his problem is he can't express himself. People mispeak. McCain did it too (the Al Queda remark when Joe whispered in his ear) but he doesn't do it as a rule. Neither does Hillary. Obama has a lot of difficulty forming an accurate, unwritten, unprepared thought.

834 gmsc  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:24:54am

re: #29 The Other Les

Dan Quayle made ONE dumb mistake.

Is someone keeping a score card on Barack Obama's mistakes?

Here's the Malkin article to which vxbush referrred earlier.

835 Kosh's Shadow[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:25:06am
836 itellu3times  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:25:10am

No such uncle at all? Ew.

And Pat Buchanan and Farfur Ahmadinijad say there were no such camps anyway.

Are you sure that video isn't fake?

837 JammieWearingFool  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:25:25am

re: #815 Occasional Reader

Enola Gay would be a bit controversial. I'd recommend having him plant the flag at Iwo Jima instead (in September 1945). By then, our public schools will have done their work, and nobody will be able to fact-check you anyway.

Good point. Have to figure someone in the media would look up the Enola Gay thing (unless I run as a Democrat!).

Iwo Jima might be easier...

Better yet, I could be boring and just tell the truth.

I can't make shit up about my uncles since they came of age during peacetime.

838 J.D.  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:25:39am

re: #813 Ward Cleaver

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

J.D.!

WARD!
It isn't proper to talk about religion or politics.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

839 vxbush  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:26:00am

re: #834 gmsc

Here's the Malkin article to which vxbush referrred earlier.

Thanks! I didn't have her site handy earlier.

840 Just Another Four-letter Word  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:26:32am

re: #619 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #611 Ward Cleaver

The F-102 and F-106 are closely related.


I still can't fly them.

Heck, I had the devils' own time landing a Cessna 172 in a quartering crosswind. No way would I tackle a JET, especially one that "glides" at 110+ knots...

JAFLW

841 Athos  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:27:00am

re: #823 jcm

Exactly. As the quote from Whittle noted, there is no way that a person who piloted one of these aircraft can be considered a moron or dolt unless those who are making the accusation are the morons or dolts.

Years from now, the study into BDS will show it a very real psychosis.

842 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:27:01am

re: #825 Charles

No -- in this case they didn't edit anything out or make anything disappear.

He delivered the speech almost exactly as it's printed at the Obama site.

The Auschwitz remarks were apparently made in a Q&A session after the prepared speech.

In other words, off stage his handler were groaning to themselves, "FUCK, HE'S MAKING SHIT UP AGAIN"

843 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:27:12am

re: #820 Kosh's Shadow

Unfortunately, this is what our educational system is turning out now. Obama is just ahead of the times.

Agreed, though with his connections going all the way to his childhood I think his programming was way more intense.

844 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:27:17am

re: #791 Athos

Most of them are clueless and still disabled by their raging BDS...they delude themselves in the viewpoint that everyone thinks like them...except for the few bitter people in flyover country clinging to their guns and religion.

It's going to be just like 1972, when one prominent NY leftie was shocked that Nixon won re-election because no one she knew in her circle of friends voted for Nixon.

The newspapers probably already have the front page ready for the "Obama landslide". Too bad he'll be under it.

845 Zim  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:27:29am

I HOPE SOMEONE IS SAVING ALL THIS OBAMA STUFF

846 Spiny Norman  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:27:44am

re: #819 Ward Cleaver

Call Obama on his whopper.

PIMF

Aw. I thought "Obama" had become a verb:

obama vb 1: to pander to an audience at a political event by telling a whopping lie and have the audience nod sagely and the media praise it to high heaven

847 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:27:52am

re: #825 Charles

Ah, I get it now.

848 JammieWearingFool[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:27:52am
849 EC Marm  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:28:02am

re: #682 Charles

The exact quote:
Uh ... I had a ... uncle who was one of the ... uh ... who was part of ... the first American troops to go into Auschwitz, and liberate the concentration camps. And the story in our family was is that when he came home, he just went up into the ... into the attic, and he didn’t leave the house for six months.


That answers the question of why the two reporters who filed stories did not directly quote him. Heaven forbid the American public should know that he is little better than incoherent without a prepared speech in front of him.

850 J.D.  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:28:17am

re: #827 Just Above Average

New indeed. But after 24 yrs of marriage, no longer a virgin.

You made it 24 years before you...

j/k

You'll like it here. We're bad sometimes, but in a good way.
:-)

851 yochanan  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:28:21am

re: #570 Gjergj Skënderbeu

JUST WONDERING ABOUT THE FLAG YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN THAT ONE BEFORE?

852 Kenneth  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:28:23am

re: #830 HippieforLife

Sometimes PTSD goes dormant for a long while, only coming out during times of stress or in response to particular triggers.

853 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:29:04am

re: #841 Athos

Exactly. As the quote from Whittle noted, there is no way that a person who piloted one of these aircraft can be considered a moron or dolt unless those who are making the accusation are the morons or dolts.

Years from now, the study into BDS will show it a very real psychosis.

It'll have a code in the DSM-VI.

854 pat  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:29:07am

Britt Hume will have a field day with this.

855 Ward Cleaver[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:29:57am
856 Cygnus  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:30:01am

re: #795 Ward Cleaver

No, they were intelligently designed.

:-0


By the lowest-bid government contract. Yeesh.

857 anotherindyfilmguy  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:30:03am

re: #18 lawhawk

and someone ought to give him a refresher on history.


As Ron White said "You can't fix stupid."

which explains why the MSM is in the tank for him...

858 Sifty  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:30:15am

Nothing Obama lies about in the next six months will surprise me.
Nothing the journalice ignore will surprise me.
What will surprise me is if Juan McCain starts caring about winning this election enough to start listening to us and not his cronies.

Next week McCain's campaign will announce that Caesar Chavez liberated Auschwitz, thereby making the case for "comprehensive immigration reform".


McCain and his handlers believe that we'll all show up and vote to defeat the lying commie Obama and just overlook McCain's disdain for conservatives.

At this rate, the only thing I'll be doing on Election Day is shopping for a Thanksgiving turkey.
At least then I'll get some use out of the turkey I pick.

859 Perry  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:30:37am

re: #841 Athos

Yup. Heck, they already made one up--Post Election Selection Trauma (PEST) after the 2004's selection. They just didn't work Bush's name directly into their diagnosis.

860 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:30:47am

re: #846 Spiny Norman

Aw. I thought "Obama" had become a verb:

obama vb 1: to pander to an audience at a political event by telling a whopping lie and have the audience nod sagely and the media praise it to high heaven

To "pull an Obama".

861 alegrias  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:30:50am

He is a PERFORMANCE artist, a celebrity motivational speaker.

US History doesn't matter to his audience either, they despise it.

Liberating GITMO to release bad guys is their goal.

862 Iron Fist[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:30:51am
863 jcm  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:31:25am

re: #853 Ward Cleaver

It'll have a code in the DSM-VI.

Right next to WiFi allergies.

864 J.D.  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:31:26am

re: #828 alegrias

* * *
Thanks but I don't disrespect Log Cabin Republicans.

If you're for defending the US with vigor, welcome to my foxhole.

Neither do I.

865 itellu3times  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:31:35am

re: #814 jcm

Century Series.
* North American F-100 Super Sabre
* McDonnell Douglas F-101 Voodoo
* Convair F-102 Delta Dagger
* Lockheed F-104 Starfighter
* Republic F-105 Thunderchief
* Convair F-106 Delta Dart
Some include the F-111 Aardvark.

The Series was a concert effort for supersonic intercept / air superiority fighters.

A lot of knowledge from previous jets went into them.

These were all pretty ghastly by modern engineering standards, note that they restarted the series after this with the F-4, then first line fighters pretty much jumped to a new generation, F-14,15,16,18, and now F-22 and, er, JSF which is F-35? New fighters benefit immensely from better engineering, computer-aided design and testing, etc. F-14 and 15 are borderline obsolete, F-16+ are pretty much fly-by-wire now, flown by joystick and computer.

866 debutaunt  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:32:13am

re: #229 maddogg

Someone needs to ask Obama which war that was in, and what years it was fought.

Yes! Liars are tripped up by the simplest things.

867 Kenneth  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:32:18am

It seems the truth is that Obama's uncle was in an American unit that liberated one of the other camps: Dachau, or whatever. The point is Obama's knowledge of history & geography is so poor he just substituted Auschwitz into his story and never realized the mistake. His equally clueless staff never bothered to correct the error. This speaks to Obama's ignorance, arrogance, insensitivity and cynicism.

868 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:32:19am

re: #853 Ward Cleaver

It'll have a code in the DSM-VI.

Somewhere near paranoia I'm sure.

Of course considering the number of leftists that are in Psych I wouldn't hold your breath.

869 pat  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:32:20am

JD, morning

870 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:33:02am

re: #856 Cygnus

By the lowest-bid government contract. Yeesh.

Keep in mind the F-102 was designed in the early '50s, when supersonic flight was still in its infancy, and supercomputers were still far in the future. They were waaay out on the bleeding edge.

871 itellu3times  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:33:22am

Anyway, I'm hoping my uncle will liberate one of these for me:
HondaJet

872 leprechaun  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:33:30am

re: #848 JammieWearingFool

Thanks for the name of the movie.

873 Dirk Diggler[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:33:32am
874 vxbush  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:33:33am

re: #868 Mars Needs Neocons

Somewhere near paranoia I'm sure.

Of course considering the number of leftists that are in Psych I wouldn't hold your breath.

That's what worries me. I'm just waiting for conservatism and republicanism to be listed in the DSM.

875 Spiny Norman  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:33:38am

re: #807 Occasional Reader

My favorite aviation euphemism is "controlled flight into terrain".

Finding a mountain in the fog, the hard way.

/dean paul martin

876 CEQAttorney  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:33:41am

re: #547 Kenneth

#151 CEQAttorney

Wrong. Five concentration camps were liberated by US troops, on 11 April 1945 Dora Mittlebau and Buchenwald were reached. On 23 April Flossenburg was liberated, Dachau on the 29th and finally Mauthausen on 4 May.

I meant extermination camps, not concentration camps. You are correct that those concentration camps were liberated by American troops. However, the extermination camps were all in Poland (my prior statement about Treblinka was incorrect). When Obama mentioned Auschwitz, I was under the impression he was specifically discussing extermination camps.

If I was incorrect, I apologize.

877 J.D.  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:34:15am

re: #869 pat

JD, morning

Morning, pat.
What time do you get Britt Hume out yonder?

878 Cygnus  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:34:44am

re: #842 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

In other words, off stage his handler were groaning to themselves, "FUCK, HE'S MAKING SHIT UP AGAIN"

I'd love to see that on a YouTube video!

879 JammieWearingFool  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:34:51am

re: #855 Ward Cleaver

I'm surprised they didn't just substitute the Blue Helmets.

The more I reminisce about that, I recall what a fiasco it was. Make-believe history just so the multicultural crowd could feel good about themselves. A total sham it was.

The joke known as David Dinkins was offended anyone even pointed out it was a complete fabrication.

880 jcm  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:34:53am

re: #865 itellu3times

These were all pretty ghastly by modern engineering standards, note that they restarted the series after this with the F-4, then first line fighters pretty much jumped to a new generation, F-14,15,16,18, and now F-22 and, er, JSF which is F-35? New fighters benefit immensely from better engineering, computer-aided design and testing, etc. F-14 and 15 are borderline obsolete, F-16+ are pretty much fly-by-wire now, flown by joystick and computer.

Most likely the F-22 is the last manned fighter. Next gen will be UAV. (Course they said that for the F-4, and the F-15).

The Super Hornet F/EA-18E/F is pretty up to speed.

881 Gjergj Skënderbeu  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:35:02am

re: #851 yochanan

JUST WONDERING ABOUT THE FLAG YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN THAT ONE BEFORE?

It's the Arbëreshë flag. Flag of the Alabanians from Sicily.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

882 TheTick  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:35:08am

re: #722 pegcity

pegcity stated:

Aushwitz is not a political football

I don't disagree at all and wasn't arguing that point. However, I am still interested in how long it takes for liberal Wikipedia points to be changed as compared to conservative ones.

883 Kenneth  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:35:21am

re: #876 CEQAttorney

I do not distinguish whatever graded shades of evil may exist between a concentration camp, and extermination camp or the Warsaw ghetto, for that matter. It's all the same evil.

884 hazzyday  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:35:22am

obama has a need for approval. He will be easy pickings for the wolves in the Middle East. Tea with Osama sounds plausible.

885 J.D.  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:35:22am

re: #871 itellu3times

Anyway, I'm hoping my uncle will liberate one of these for me:
HondaJet

Oooo!
I like!

886 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:35:28am

re: #858 Sifty

Nothing Obama lies about in the next six months will surprise me.
Nothing the journalice ignore will surprise me.
What will surprise me is if Juan McCain starts caring about winning this election enough to start listening to us and not his cronies.

Next week McCain's campaign will announce that Caesar Chavez liberated Auschwitz, thereby making the case for "comprehensive immigration reform".


McCain and his handlers believe that we'll all show up and vote to defeat the lying commie Obama and just overlook McCain's disdain for conservatives.

At this rate, the only thing I'll be doing on Election Day is shopping for a Thanksgiving turkey.
At least then I'll get some use out of the turkey I pick.

Then the next year, you'll be eating government fake turkey in a re-education camp.

Obama makes Carter look good; vote for McCain.

887 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:35:30am

re: #874 vxbush

That's what worries me. I'm just waiting for conservatism and republicanism to be listed in the DSM.

There have been a large number of articles to that effect over the last few years, I know a lot have been posted on Hot Air and similar site. (Maybe even here during my hibernation period)

888 wolfie  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:36:04am

re: #794 nikis-knight

It can't be that simple. Why so much support for multi-culturalism then?

The Left loves "diversity." You can be a Bulgarian or a Thai, a Baptist or a Sikh or a Jew...if, and only if, you abandon any substantive particularity of those things in favor of leftist universalism.

Thus, for example, you may be a Catholic, if by Catholic you mean "of Catholic heritage" or if you are a "Catholic" who rejects all Catholic doctrine that is in conflict with the leftist world view. In other words, you can be a "Catholic" as long as you really aren't one.

In the great drama of the universalist left, the Movement destroys and erases all particularities, bringing mankind to the kumbaya of perfect unity.

For Westerners the particularity needing destruction is Western civilization itself: Athens, Rome, and above all Jerusalem. Multi-culturalism and Islam are tools of destruction.

(That's the way I see it.)

889 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:36:18am

re: #871 itellu3times

Anyway, I'm hoping my uncle will liberate one of these for me:
HondaJet

The Eclipse 500 is cool, too. And is way cheaper.

890 Render  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:36:21am

re: #708 stuiec

I suspect the numbers are about the same now as they were seven years ago.

[Link: www.csmonitor.com...]

"The US armed services don't recruit by religion, but the Pentagon estimates at least 3,386 Muslims were serving in the US military as of September. No precise figures are available because, while US service members are surveyed on their religion, they aren't required to disclose it. Advocacy groups put the number at 15,000, saying many are reluctant to reveal their religion. African-Americans represent the largest share of Muslims in uniform, they add."

===

The exploits of the 442nd Regimental Combat Team, while rewarded within the US military, remained somewhat unknown and historically obscure until the mid-1970's.

One would hope that the exploits of loyal Muslim-Americans in this war would not go unnoticed for so long.

Marine Sgt. Jamil Alkattan (two tours Iraq) deserves as much recognition for his service as any other combat Marine.

MELTING
POT,
R

891 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:36:21am

re: #876 CEQAttorney

I meant extermination camps, not concentration camps. You are correct that those concentration camps were liberated by American troops. However, the extermination camps were all in Poland (my prior statement about Treblinka was incorrect). When Obama mentioned Auschwitz, I was under the impression he was specifically discussing extermination camps.

If I was incorrect, I apologize.

Your forgiven Obamidiot didn't even know what he was referring to.

892 MJ[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:36:29am
893 pat  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:36:32am

re: #877 J.D.

12 noon. lunchtime

894 Just Another Four-letter Word  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:36:58am

re: #732 song_and_dance_man

One more post before I go.

My favorite chapter in The Sum of all Fears is titled Three Shakes.

Yeah, 9 picoseconds is not a looong period of time, is it?

JAFLW

895 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:37:07am
896 marjoriemoon  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:37:18am

re: #876 CEQAttorney

I meant extermination camps, not concentration camps. You are correct that those concentration camps were liberated by American troops. However, the extermination camps were all in Poland (my prior statement about Treblinka was incorrect). When Obama mentioned Auschwitz, I was under the impression he was specifically discussing extermination camps.

If I was incorrect, I apologize.

Not really following your thread... work camps v. extermination camps, but here is a link of what happened where. I posted it above.

[Link: www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...]

897 jcm  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:37:21am

re: #875 Spiny Norman

Finding a mountain in the fog, the hard way.

/dean paul martin


Read between the lines on this www.ntsb.gov...] target="_blank">

NTSB report.NTSB Identification: MIA92FA051 .
The docket is stored on NTSB microfiche number 46312.
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Monday, December 23, 1991 in RAINBOW LAKE, FL
Probable Cause Approval Date: 5/5/1993
Aircraft: PIPER PA-34-200T, registration: N47506
Injuries: 2 Fatal.

THE PRIVATE PILOT AND A PILOT RATED PASSENGER WERE GOING TO PRACTICE SIMULATED INSTRUMENT FLIGHT. WITNESSES OBSERVED THE AIRPLANE'S RIGHT WING FAIL IN A DIVE AND CRASH. EXAMINATION OF THE WRECKAGE AND BODIES REVEALED THAT BOTH OCCUPANTS WERE PARTIALLY CLOTHED AND THE FRONT RIGHT SEAT WAS IN THE FULL AFT RECLINING POSITION. NEITHER BODY SHOWED EVIDENCE OF SEATBELTS OR SHOULDER HARNESSES BEING WORN. EXAMINATION OF THE INDIVIDUALS' CLOTHING REVEALED NO EVIDENCE OF RIPPING OR DISTRESS TO THE ZIPPERS AND BELTS.

The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:
THE PILOT IN COMMAND'S IMPROPER INFLIGHT DECISION TO DIVERT HER ATTENTION TO OTHER ACTIVITIES NOT RELATED TO THE CONDUCT OF THE FLIGHT. CONTRIBUTING TO THE ACCIDENT WAS THE EXCEEDING OF THE DESIGN LIMITS OF THE AIRPLANE LEADING TO A WING FAILURE.

898 EC Marm  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:37:28am

re: #867 Kenneth

It seems the truth is that Obama's uncle was in an American unit that liberated one of the other camps: Dachau, or whatever.


I'm not so sure of that. He has appeared before a predominately Jewish audience in the past and mentioned that the word 'Barack' is a cousin of a Hebrew word. I am sure that if there was any basis in fact for this latest recollection he would have presented this memory to his political benefit a long time ago.

899 itellu3times  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:37:33am

re: #880 jcm

Most likely the F-22 is the last manned fighter. Next gen will be UAV. (Course they said that for the F-4, and the F-15).

UCAV

But it looks like we'll build some JSFs. They might make handy chariots where the human controller of a squadron of UCAVs can ride.

900 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:37:38am
901 J.D.  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:38:47am

re: #893 pat

I'm visiting my son and it comes on at 3 pm here...it's a bit disorienting when you're used to 6 pm...but anyway...

902 Kenneth  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:39:06am

re: #898 EC Marm

It's possible he invented the whole story, but not likely he invented an uncle. I'm hoping some enterprising blogger looks up Obama's uncle's military service record.

903 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:39:09am

re: #888 wolfie

The Left loves "diversity." You can be a Bulgarian or a Thai, a Baptist or a Sikh or a Jew...if, and only if, you abandon any substantive particularity of those things in favor of leftist universalism.

Thus, for example, you may be a Catholic, if by Catholic you mean "of Catholic heritage" or if you are a "Catholic" who rejects all Catholic doctrine that is in conflict with the leftist world view. In other words, you can be a "Catholic" as long as you really aren't one.

In the great drama of the universalist left, the Movement destroys and erases all particularities, bringing mankind to the kumbaya of perfect unity.

For Westerners the particularity needing destruction is Western civilization itself: Athens, Rome, and above all Jerusalem. Multi-culturalism and Islam are tools of destruction.

(That's the way I see it.)

Much more detailed version of what I said. I like.

904 JammieWearingFool  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:39:56am

re: #873 Dirk DigglerDidn't realize that. Just had Googled The Liberators and quickly perused the item before linking. From the best I recall the information in the link is correct. Certainly didn't intend to link some antisemitic site.

Seems much of the history of that "movie" has also fallen down the memory hole.

905 pat  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:40:10am