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Obama's Auschwitz Tale: Not the First Time

Tue, May 27, 2008 at 3:52:31 pm PDT

Rand Simberg points out that Obama’s “Auschwitz” story is nothing new.

He was telling similar stories about his grandfather back in 2002, in his now-famous Iraq speech, which I’d never previously read:

My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton’s army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka.
The first troops to enter those two camps (in Poland) were Soviet troops, so unless Patton was leading them, this can’t be true.

As I noted in comments, you’d think that if he’s going to be telling these kinds of stories, he’d at least attempt to make them plausible (e.g., Dachau and Buchenwald). My guess is that he’s unfamiliar with the actual history of the war, and just invoked two of the most notorious camp names to make his point. Whether his grandfather (or “uncle”) actually told him tales of concentration camps will probably never be known.

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1 DesertSage  Tue, May 27, 2008 3:53:54pm

I thought it was his uncle?

2 jcm  Tue, May 27, 2008 3:54:48pm

So by BHO's Grand daddy and grand uncle where COMMIES!

The Soviet Army liberated Auschwitz.

/

3 MandyManners  Tue, May 27, 2008 3:54:55pm

re: #1 DesertSage

I thought it was his uncle?

Both.

4 blutonazi98  Tue, May 27, 2008 3:55:22pm

germans? Pearl Harbor?
leave him alone hes on a roll

5 jcm  Tue, May 27, 2008 3:55:28pm

re: #3 MandyManners

Both.

Grandma was there too, but you can't see her, she's under the bus.

6 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 27, 2008 3:56:18pm

Obama camp on Auschwitz: Sorry, he meant Ohrdruf

As suspected, it was his great-uncle he had in mind, not his uncle, and the camp wasn’t Auschwitz but one of the ones Patton’s army liberated, namely, the Ohrdruf subcamp at Buchenwald. Look at the photos at Wikipedia and you’ll understand why he might have needed six months in the attic.

7 sundaydriver  Tue, May 27, 2008 3:56:26pm

All too slick smoothtalker. He has the same face as the kind of no-personality boys in the schoolyard who smile at you in the face, but turn against you when they blend in another group.

8 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 27, 2008 3:56:31pm

Someone posted a screen shot earlier.

9 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 27, 2008 3:56:45pm

So I guess his grandpa heard these Auschwitz stories from his uncle. Something like that.

10 Mich-again  Tue, May 27, 2008 3:56:56pm

We are lucky if even half the people in Obama's target audience even know what Aushwitz was.

11 Perplexed  Tue, May 27, 2008 3:56:56pm

Uncle "Joe" Stalin? Perhaps, perhaps.

How can you tell if a politician is lying?

Answer: His lips are moving.


BHO, IMHO is losing it. Barry, go home, get some sleep, eat a good meal, and get out of politics forever. You've run a poor race.

12 sundaydriver  Tue, May 27, 2008 3:57:03pm

in this case he is smiling to the veterans.

13 snowcrash  Tue, May 27, 2008 3:57:05pm

Are these ridiculous tales told for military cred or to attract Jewish voters?

14 Racer X  Tue, May 27, 2008 3:57:17pm

C'mon guys. Cut B-HO some slack. A relative of his experienced some bad shit because of war. War is bad. B-HO will eliminate war.

Now stop asking so damn many questions.
/

15 MandyManners  Tue, May 27, 2008 3:57:21pm

re: #4 blutonazi98

germans? Pearl Harbor?
leave him alone hes on a roll

16 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 27, 2008 3:57:29pm

Maybe his Uncle/Grandfather defected while in Europe and that is how he heard from "fellow soldiers-you know fellow travelers" about the liberation of Auschwitz?

17 Mich-again  Tue, May 27, 2008 3:58:17pm

re: #13 snowcrash

Are these ridiculous tales told for military cred or to attract Jewish voters?

Its hard to know for sure what makes a liar lie. They are by design hard to read.

18 GregInSeattle  Tue, May 27, 2008 3:58:31pm

Not a big thing in itself, perhaps, but I hope the moderates and Independents take note of all these little things adding up!

19 RickZ  Tue, May 27, 2008 3:58:43pm

I understood that his father joined in January, 1942. The Sainted One seems to have a problem with the concept of time.

20 Perplexed  Tue, May 27, 2008 3:58:56pm

re: #7 sundaydriver

All too slick smoothtalker. He has the same face as the kind of no-personality boys in the schoolyard who smile at you in the face, but turn against you when they blend in another group.

Another Zellig?

21 jcm  Tue, May 27, 2008 3:59:06pm

re: #12 sundaydriver

in this case he is smiling to the veterans.

Which ones? The live ones or the dead ones?

On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes — and I see many of them in the audience here today — our sense of patriotism is particularly strong.

Barack Obama, Memorial Day speech in New Mexico.

22 onslow  Tue, May 27, 2008 3:59:33pm

Obama is a fabulist but I doubt he'll be subject to the media carpet bombing that Hilary received for her Bosnia "misstatement."

23 Racer X  Tue, May 27, 2008 3:59:53pm

re: #21 jcm

"I see dead people"

24 itellu3times  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:00:04pm

So what, Rev. Al Sharpton rescued Tawana Brawley from Buchenwald.

And Hillary Clinton kissed a toad when she was in college, and look how that turned out!

25 RickZ  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:00:13pm

re: #13 snowcrash

Are these ridiculous tales told for military cred or to attract Jewish voters?

Neither. Some people lie because they can. Why dig up the truth when a lie so easily rolls off the tongue?

26 sundaydriver  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:00:26pm

re: #20 Perplexed

Zellig?

27 jcm  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:00:33pm

Later Lizards....

28 Killian Bundy  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:00:36pm

Geez Charles, lay off his waffle sweetie.

/you're embarrassing him

29 J.D.  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:00:42pm
fallen heroes — and I see many of them in the audience here today


Now, how exactly does that work?

30 DaMishMan  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:00:52pm

I swear, I've done my best to think only polite things whenever Obama or Hillary say something stupid. I do this, because they are only human and Lord knows I've said stupid things in my life.

But c'mon! This is too much! What kind of fantasy world does he live in to think that everyone will believe the drivel that oozes from between his lips?

What a putz.

31 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:01:14pm

re: #24 itellu3times

So what, Rev. Al Sharpton rescued Tawana Brawley from Buchenwald.

And Hillary Clinton kissed a toad when she was in college, and look how that turned out!

Actually I hear her first love was Vince Foster? That didn't turn out so great for him!

32 blutonazi98  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:01:18pm

re: #15 MandyManners

better you tube one

33 Perplexed  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:01:33pm

re: #23 Racer X

"I see dead people"

"Don't eat the brown acid."

34 Mich-again  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:01:46pm

Obama/Flanagan

Thats the Ticket!

35 Genosaurer  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:02:14pm

For those of us with liberal Jewish relatives, Obama slip-ups like these might get through to them, where his gaffes on the price of arugula and such didn't.

36 Silhouette  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:02:14pm

re: #1 DesertSage

I thought it was his uncle?

It was Col. Mustard, with the 89th, in the conservatory.

37 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:02:46pm

re: #25 RickZ

Neither. Some people lie because they can. Why dig up the truth when a lie so easily rolls off the tongue?

Agree. If someone had the time to go back through all his public utterances, I bet you would find a whole boat load of "exaggerations".

38 MandyManners  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:03:08pm

re: #30 DaMishMan

I swear, I've done my best to think only polite things whenever Obama or Hillary say something stupid. I do this, because they are only human and Lord knows I've said stupid things in my life.

But c'mon! This is too much! What kind of fantasy world does he live in to think that everyone will believe the drivel that oozes from between his lips?

What a putz.

He's a narcissist.

39 DaMishMan  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:03:30pm

Things that make you go...hmmmmmm:

From Animal House...

"Did we back down when the German's bombed Pearl Harbor?! NO!"

"The Germans?"

"Forget it...he's on a roll."

Bluto...Obama...hmmmmmm

40 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:03:44pm

So it appears he just uses "Auschwitz" as a generic reference for "you know, one of those concentration camp thingies". How... offensive.

41 MandyManners  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:03:57pm

re: #32 blutonazi98

better you tube one

Yes, it is.

42 Suzette  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:04:27pm

There was nothing to liberate from Treblinka. The Germans had dismantled it in 1943.

Treblinka

43 DistantThunder  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:04:56pm

I think it was because Auschwitz sounded more impressive than Ohrdruf. The above article proves he knew his uncle wasn't at Auschwitz but he's arrogant and figures that no one will be able to check. Duh.

44 MandyManners  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:05:02pm

re: #39 DaMishMan

Things that make you go...hmmmmmm:

From Animal House...

"Did we back down when the German's bombed Pearl Harbor?! NO!"

"The Germans?"

"Forget it...he's on a roll."

Bluto...Obama...hmmmmmm

I don't think he's ever done the giant zit thingy.

45 mikeinmd  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:05:26pm
My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton’s army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka.

a war ? not THE war.
Maybe I'm just being picky, if he'd said "My grandfather signed up for THE war", I wouldn't have even thought about it. Odd.

Gotta feed at the trough, bbl.

46 MandyManners  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:05:34pm

bbl

47 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:05:42pm

re: #40 Occasional Reader

So it appears he just uses "Auschwitz" as a generic reference for "you know, one of those concentration camp thingies". How... offensive.

Concentration camp thingies or open sores, what the hell, there all the same.

48 Racer X  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:05:42pm

re: #40 Occasional Reader

So it appears he just uses "Auschwitz" as a generic reference for "you know, one of those concentration camp thingies". How... offensive.

Awe c'mon. All joos look the same, no?

49 Perplexed  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:06:09pm

re: #26 sundaydriver

A seldom seen movie with Woody Allen both in front and behind the camera where he played a human chameleon.

50 Killian Bundy  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:06:19pm

I wonder if Obama has ever been to Cambodia?

/during the Christmas season

51 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:06:22pm

From Hot Air headlines: [Breaking]: McCain cheek cancer returns
Klassy.

52 Cicero05  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:06:25pm

OK, OK, actually, Buraq's grandpa just told him that war sucks and the food is bad.

53 Mich-again  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:06:28pm

re: #40 Occasional Reader

So it appears he just uses "Auschwitz" as a generic reference for "you know, one of those concentration camp thingies". How... offensive.

Exactly. To his target audience Aushwitz means Concentration Camp. If he went into more detail than that he would be talking over their empty heads full of mush. I don't think its an innocent mistake.

54 bulwrk  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:07:09pm

My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed,


Actually he enlisted June 18th 1942

55 Da_Beerfreak  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:07:16pm

re: #24 itellu3times

So what, Rev. Al Sharpton rescued Tawana Brawley from Buchenwald.

And Hillary Clinton kissed a toad when she was in college, and look how that turned out!

Damn! And all this time I thought it was Bill that kissed an ugly toad.
// {;-)™

56 Urso1  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:07:22pm

Ref. #8 NJDhockeyfan "Someone posted a screen shot earlier."
Did anyone notice OHB's wording of the "crucible of the sword" in his speech?

57 DesertSage  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:07:34pm

re: #50 Killian Bundy

I wonder if Obama has ever been to Cambodia?

/during the Christmas season

Nah, that would be seared into his memory...wouldn't it?

58 aaron  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:07:40pm

re: #48 Racer X

Awe c'mon. All joos look the same, no?

Yeah. Especially when we're dead...

59 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:07:55pm

re: #42 Suzette

There was nothing to liberate from Treblinka. The Germans had dismantled it in 1943.

Treblinka

Okay... look... ONE of his great uncles was with the Red Army, and the OTHER was with the Waffen SS. Is this so hard for you people to follow?!

60 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:08:25pm

re: #51 Killgore Trout

From Hot Air headlines: [Breaking]: McCain cheek cancer returns
Klassy.

Nothing funnier than cancer jokes.

/kossack

61 J.D.  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:08:39pm

re: #51 Killgore Trout

From Hot Air headlines: [Breaking]: McCain cheek cancer returns
Klassy.

sick

62 dgax65  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:08:45pm

His uncle helped defend the airport against snipers when Hillary made her valiant landing under fire.

63 Mich-again  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:08:51pm

re: #51 Killgore Trout

From Hot Air headlines: [Breaking]: McCain cheek cancer returns
Klassy.

Unreal. Just un freaking real. Kos Kiddies rolling around in the litter box and eating the clumps.

64 Charles the Hammer  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:08:53pm

re: #18 GregInSeattle

Exactly. For such a genius, he sure keeps making a lot o' mistakes. Some of them, I would posit, not so accidental.

the sinner,

Charles

65 blutonazi98  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:09:15pm

all you stupid knuckle dragging right wing nutjobs nit picking over where a couple of joooos died.
not like that is very important anymore. shouldn't you guys be enlisting and finding Obama anyway.

/father in-lib off

66 tokyobk  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:09:57pm

My guess is he was told these falsely, related by soldiers slightly embellishing their service. Not that that service was not fine enough if they were peeling patatos or digging latrines.

I know of a case of a very sweet and well loved guy in Philly who told his Jewish friends this his whole life. When it came out that it was impossible, that his unit was no where near, basically everybody forgave him, though it blew a good story for black-Jewish relations as the war-tall-teller was black. But everybody forgave him since he was just a sweet old guy telling stories trying to make friends and be a hero. He did stop speaking at local synagogues though!

But in the case of Obama, there is nothing innocent about a politician.

67 Killian Bundy  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:09:59pm

re: #51 Killgore Trout

From Hot Air headlines: [Breaking]: McCain cheek cancer returns
Klassy.

Tags: Asshole, pathetic, should be deleted, apology, disgusting, glownz, poor taste, ban diarist, this diary sucks, help me help myself

/glownz?

68 Purple Prose  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:10:36pm

Barack Hussein Obama is turning out to be a gaffe-prone and surprisingly ignorant fellow for such a high-falutin' Ivy League resume. Worse, he is clearly a pathological liar. He's like all the worst of Bill Clinton and all the worst of George W. Bush rolled into one lock-step liberal, empty shell of a man.

69 Ojoe  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:10:50pm

Someone ought to drag granny out from under the bus and ask her if that "6 months in the attic" about Grandpa (or Great Uncle) story is true, or is a slander.

70 ted  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:11:07pm

re: #51 Killgore Trout

From Hot Air headlines: [Breaking]: McCain cheek cancer returns
Klassy.

I don't think I've ever seen anything more vile, disgusting and sick than this.

71 Shug  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:11:31pm

Next he'll be telling us his uncle worked at the camps

72 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:11:37pm

So Obama's grandfather enlisted 6 months after Pearl Harbor, but barry said it was the day after. What are these Biblical Years?

73 Gjergj Skënderbeu  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:11:38pm

I'm confused now....

Which relative was living in the attic?

It wasn't Stanley, was it?

74 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:11:50pm

Obama's retort......
Obama's (Great) Uncle

The Obama campaign has put out a statement saying that Obama was mistaken when he referred to his great uncle helping liberate Auschwitz — it was in fact, the campaign says, Buchenwald. The statement and info sheet:

75 blutonazi98  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:12:00pm

re: #70 ted

yep thats about as funny as can..... nevermind

76 Cicero05  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:12:17pm

Did you know that Buraq was actually named after Sir Edmund Hillary?

77 Teacake!  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:12:28pm

This is his white mother's father? I'd like to know how old obama was when that man died. Considering O's age, I tend to really doubt his grandpa was still telling war stories. Its just too Norman Rockwell of an image.

78 Suzette  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:12:48pm

re: #59 Occasional Reader

Well that would make sense...an uncle in the SS would probably have known and seen Treblinka.

79 ted  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:12:54pm

I hope Charles runs a thread on this. Kos has reached a new low.

80 Racer X  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:12:57pm

re: #63 Mich-again

Kos Kiddies rolling around in the litter box and eating the clumps.

That is a most accurate assessment.

81 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:12:59pm

re: #54 bulwrk

My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed,


Actually he enlisted June 18th 1942

This whole conversation is not helping Michelle's children, ya know.

82 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:13:26pm

re: #70 ted

Even the rank and file Koskidz recognize it's tasteless.

83 snowcrash  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:13:59pm

The pictures from Ohrdruf are horrifying. I never heard of this Camp. Sick and manipulative to use concentration camps for political gain.

84 blutonazi98  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:14:03pm

i thought his gramps only told racist colored people jokes

85 ted  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:14:08pm

re: #82 Killgore Trout

Even the rank and file Koskidz recognize it's tasteless.

Incredible.

86 gop_patriot  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:15:11pm

re: #51 Killgore Trout

That's just gross. What is wrong with those idiots?

87 Mich-again  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:15:16pm

I bet the whole attic detail was fabricated to conjure up the image of "bats in the belfry" as in his Uncle was suffering with mental illness. Gee was he pushing any political plan when he brought the story up?

88 rob.schmitt  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:15:25pm

I'm surprised that Osama Obama hasn't used the, "Uncle, Grand-Uncle, Grandfather : They all (white people) look alike to me!" defense.

89 Watookal  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:15:49pm

Toronto - Canada
Obama has a brilliant plan that explains absolutely everything! – Except the plan.

McCain: Sturdy, steady and ready!

90 Charles the Hammer  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:16:07pm

re: #54 bulwrk

My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed,


Actually he enlisted June 18th 1942

Wow, that's just . . . wow. How can one man get so much wrong, just factually, in so short a time, on so limited a subject?

Oh, and listening to Hugh Hewitt - his speech went on to talk about how the ladies in the services have a higher rate of PTSD because of widespread sexual harassment and sexual abuse. This guy CANNOT become the POTUS!

the sinner,

Charles

91 Perplexed  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:16:31pm

re: #87 Mich-again

I bet the whole attic detail was fabricated to conjure up the image of "bats in the belfry" as in his Uncle was suffering with mental illness. Gee was he pushing any political plan when he brought the story up?

Yes, all veterans who've been in a combat zone are just walking time bombs waiting to go off at any moment.

92 ted  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:16:34pm

re: #87 Mich-again

I bet the whole attic detail was fabricated to conjure up the image of "bats in the belfry" as in his Uncle was suffering with mental illness. Gee was he pushing any political plan when he brought the story up?

That part of the story was truly bizarrro.

93 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:16:36pm

re: #87 Mich-again

I bet the whole attic detail was fabricated to conjure up the image of "bats in the belfry" as in his Uncle was suffering with mental illness. Gee was he pushing any political plan when he brought the story up?

Yup. Better medical care for soldiers coming back with traumatic stress from war.

94 The Shadow Do  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:17:18pm

Frankly, I think this whole uncle with the shattered psyche hiding in the attic business is a total load of hooey. Fits neatly with the damaged souls anti-war meme from the lousy left altogether too neatly. Bogus H. Obama he is.

95 Ojoe  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:17:35pm

Obama is so 1968.

96 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:17:43pm

re: #91 Perplexed

Yes, all veterans who've been in a combat zone are just walking time bombs waiting to go off at any moment.

Well not if you lock them up in the attic for 6 months?

97 Racer X  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:18:11pm

He was my uncle

My grandfather

My uncle

My Grandfather

*channeling Faye Dunaway in Chinatown*

98 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:18:20pm

I wonder if that great-uncle uttered any racial slurs while he was locked up in the attic. C'mon, Obama, tell all.

99 Ojoe  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:18:46pm

re: #94 The Shadow Do

Somebody please ask his Granny, she would know about the "6 months in the attic".

100 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:19:03pm

re: #97 Racer X

*channeling Faye Dunaway in Chinatown*

[shudder]

101 RickZ  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:19:20pm

re: #77 Teacake!

This is his white mother's father? I'd like to know how old obama was when that man died. Considering O's age, I tend to really doubt his grandpa was still telling war stories. Its just too Norman Rockwell of an image.

His white grandfather died in 1992. So Barak was, what, 28?

102 Ojoe  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:19:21pm

Bah.

103 Mich-again  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:19:36pm

re: #92 ted

That part of the story was truly bizarrro.

It reminded me a bit of Mrs. Rochester from Jane Eyre. Crazy old lady up in the attic.

104 Charles the Hammer  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:19:55pm

Clinical psychologist from a VA hospital called in to Hewitt, and said that only 2-3% of the US population suffers from PTSD. The vast, vast majority are those who suffer from PTSD are children who have suffered from abuse. So much for all the soldiers going bonkers.

Yeah, war is ugly, and will affect the soldiers. But this hangover-myth from Vietnam has GOT to end! As B. G. Burkette so strongly illustrates in "Stolen Valor," the myth of all of the Vietnam vets coming home destroyed, or drug-addicted, etc., is just that - a myth. Sorta like how he showed that the Winter Soldier "Investigation" was a compendium of lies and myths.

the sinner,

Charles

105 Perplexed  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:20:26pm

re: #96 Nevergiveup

Well not if you lock them up in the attic for 6 months?

6 months in the attic with food in one bucket and wastes in another makes for some very good aversion therapy. Misbehavior results in the following statement "do you want to go back in the attic for another 6 months?"

106 Mich-again  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:20:44pm

Next thing we'll find out the house didn't even have an attic.

107 blutonazi98  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:20:56pm

re: #90 Charles the Hammer

way back when i was a navy nuke we we gave the clap to all the girl nukes on board. we always had the sex abuse going.

what do you mean navy nukes haven't integrated women yet? So we would have.

what do you mean women were not on SOL when i was in? So we would have.

108 EC Marm  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:21:16pm

re: #98 Occasional Reader

I wonder if that great-uncle uttered any racial slurs while he was locked up in the attic. C'mon, Obama, tell all.


He could no more throw his uncle under the bus than Rev. Wright, or his grannie, or ...

109 Cicero05  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:21:32pm

re: #99 Ojoe

Somebody please ask his Granny, she would know about the "6 months in the attic".

Well, maybe he just went up there once to clean the attic.

110 Charles the Hammer  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:22:08pm

re: #107 blutonazi98

Uh, what? Sorry, that was a little too lingo for me.

the sinner,

Charles

111 sh007r  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:22:30pm
Whether his grandfather (or “uncle”) actually told him tales of concentration camps will probably never be known.


please....
B. Hussien has plenty of relatives just waiting to come out of the closet to bolster his 'patriot building' stories.
He had one relative fighting in India with Napoleon, and one that was born in Antarctica..... just hasn't found a newsworthy story to fit them into ....yet..
.
And we haven't even gotten to Mean Mishallow's side of the family.

112 Charles the Hammer  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:22:38pm

re: #109 Cicero05

Well, maybe he just went up there once to clean the attic.

He was out of the house those six months.

the sinner,

Charles

113 cavallino_rampante  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:22:43pm

It's the zeitgeist, man.

114 ted  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:22:45pm

I'm a shrink. I've worked in two VA hospitals here in NYC. I can assure you our Vets have full access too and receive world class mental health services that they deserve.

BHO's grandpa in the attic story is BS

115 Neo Con since 9-11  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:22:53pm

re: #51 Killgore Trout

From Hot Air headlines: [Breaking]: McCain cheek cancer returns
Klassy.

screen captured for when they try to flush it down the memory hole.

116 ted  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:23:09pm

re: #103 Mich-again

It reminded me a bit of Mrs. Rochester from Jane Eyre. Crazy old lady up in the attic.

Yea.

117 The Shadow Do  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:23:25pm

re: #99 Ojoe

Somebody please ask his Granny, she would know about the "6 months in the attic".

Granny is under the bus. She ain't doing interviews.

118 shiplord kirel  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:23:40pm

It's not uncommon for garbled war stories to circulate among families. At one point, some of my mom's backwoods relatives had a story that an uncle had survived the sinking of the Titanic while returning from World War I (the Titanic sank two years before the war started and five years before the US joined in).

Another time, I attended the funeral of a distant relative who had served in Vietnam. He had died suddenly in his early 40s. During the eulogy the preacher declared that the deceased had served as a scout helicopter pilot and had been shot down 17 times. I happened to know first-hand that he had been a SP 5 and had worked in supply. The "information" about his aviator career had apparently come from his father, a notably alcoholic braggart. Only fools and the hopelessly ignorant would think that one vital job was notably more praise-worthy than another in that conflict, and the guy had in fact been wounded. I didn't say a word of course but it was a sad and disgraceful addition to a sad occasion.

It appears that Obama's great-uncle really was involved in the liberation of Buchenwald. If so, Barry should know the significance well enough to have memorized every detail, or at least the vital ones, over the years. Could he be unaware of this simply because he never thought it was especially important?

119 profitsbeard  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:23:58pm

Turns out it was a maiden aunt who liberated a Snickers bar from a Piggly Wiggly in 1944.

120 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:24:43pm

re: #106 Mich-again

Next thing we'll find out the house didn't even have an attic.

Well then we will be told it was the basement.

121 autoexec  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:24:59pm

So his Uncle liberated Aushwitz' slaves from the Confederates, while his Grandfather saved Pearl Harbor from German generated tornadoes which killed 11,000 people.

What's the problem with you guys? Can't you just leave Obama alone?

122 Gang of One  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:25:27pm

re: #106 Mich-again

Next thing we'll find out the house didn't even have an attic.

After that, it wasn't really a house, it was an apartment.

123 Racer X  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:25:41pm

re: #119 profitsbeard

Turns out it was a maiden aunt who liberated a Snickers bar from a Piggly Wiggly in 1944.

You owe me a new monitor.

124 DesertSage  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:25:48pm

Just let him eat his waffle.

125 DistantThunder  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:25:59pm

So why doesn't NObama care about the rape rooms, and mass graves in Iraq filled with women, children and expectant mothers? Didn't he learn anything from his family except socialism and racism?

Mass graves

Saddam's evil minions had them kneel grave waiting to be executed others he buried alive.

BAGHDAD (AFP) — Iraqi troops shot kneeling mothers and young children in the head and dumped them into mass graves by the score, a forensic expert has told ousted dictator Saddam Hussein's genocide trial. Showing pictures of three mass graves found around Iraq since the 2003 US invasion, American expert Michael Trimble said that most of the dead at these sites were Kurdish children and women killed during Saddam's Anfal campaign.


Thursday's hearing began with the harrowing testimony of Trimble, the head of the mass graves investigation unit at the Iraqi High Tribunal, a government court in Baghdad trying former regime officials. More than 120 bodies were discovered in one grave found in Iraq's northern province of Nineveh, the court heard. "All these individuals were executed by gunshot. There were no adult males. There were 25 adult females, and I would call your attention to the fact there were 98 ...(children)

What would Obama do? WWOD?

126 Perplexed  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:26:11pm

We're all so doomed if he becomes President. He lacks a sense of humor.

127 Charles the Hammer  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:26:12pm

The clinical psychologist from Hewitt was held over, and said that there are no numbers or real idea the level of possible PTSD from sexual harassment or abuse in the military. He claimed they had just heard some concern about this, but that there was no solid information as to the level of said acts or the truthfulness of any allegations. At least, in a broad sense.

the sinner,

Charles

128 DistantThunder  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:27:17pm

re: #91 Perplexed

Yes, all veterans who've been in a combat zone are just walking time bombs waiting to go off at any moment.

That would include Jimmy Webb.

129 ted  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:27:20pm

Grandpa's in the Attic !

130 lizzy  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:27:22pm

ummmm.. Treblinka, located in North Eastern Poland was one of the three aktion Reinhard exterminationcamps ,( along with Sobibor and Belzec)
It was dismantled and abandoned in 1943,( it was never liberated by anyone) BUT not before 870,000.. yes that is almost a million... Jews were murdered in Treblinka in a little over a year... there were 70 or so survivors of both Treblinka and Sobibor( which both had uprisings by the way)
Belzec, where 600,000 men women children and babies were murdered, had 2 survivors.
After, trees were planted on the site a farmhouse built, with a Ukrainian farmer installed. Of course locals kept digging up th site searching for hidden jewish valuable and gold....
Its too bad this camp wasn't liberated by the Americans or British - or Soviets or anybody..... The three Reinhardt camps brought about the end of a thousand years of jewish culture in Poland.. of the 3.4 million polish Jews who lived in Poland pre war, , 3 million were murdered in the extermination camps, slave labour camps, concentrations camps, mobile death squads and in ghettos .
more about Treblinka from our website.
[Link: www1.yadvashem.org...]
NO WONDER that Holocaust denying scum like Ahmadnejad are not taken seriously by people like Obama.. He is so damn ignorant of what the holocaust was, what was a death camp, etc.. it really makes me fume.
IF the president doesn't care enough about the legacy and the history of the Holocaust to get his facts straight.. why should he except anyone else too?

131 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:27:38pm

re: #122 Gang of One

After that, it wasn't really a house, it was an apartment.

No it was only a tent but it was all he had till Gen. Doug MacArthur rode in and ran him out.

132 EC Marm  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:27:50pm

re: #103 Mich-again

It reminded me a bit of Mrs. Rochester from Jane Eyre. Crazy old lady up in the attic.


It sorta has a certain Anne Frank quality about it too. Especially when applied to Auschwitz. Sort of, "My family suffered just as much as the Jews who my Grandfather and Great Uncle saved from the ovens." Pretty transparent to those with IQ's over 100.

133 Dustyvet  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:28:41pm

re: #5 jcm

Grandma was there too, but you can't see her, she's under the bus.

and Obama himself was a crewmen on Hanoi John Kerry's Swift Boat...On that famous trip up the Mekong River and into Cambodia in 1968 when Richard Nixon was President.

134 tokyobk  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:29:27pm

re: #118 shiplord kirel


It appears that Obama's great-uncle really was involved in the liberation of Buchenwald. If so, Barry should know the significance well enough to have memorized every detail, or at least the vital ones, over the years. Could he be unaware of this simply because he never thought it was especially important?


Kriel, I think you have hit it here. The truth is that the vast majority of politicians do not care about substance only delivery and effect. It probably does nto matter a rats ass to Obama if t is Aushwitz or Buchenwald, nor to Hillary if she were really under sniper attack. Politicians are rewarded for telling fancy stories that get them elected and get their ideas pushed forward.

135 RickZ  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:29:34pm

re: #131 Nevergiveup

No it was only a tent but it was all he had till Gen. Doug MacArthur rode in and ran him out.

LOL! Gotta love a reference to MacArthur's rounting of the Bonus Army. And Mac's top aide in that campaign was Ike.

136 maddogg  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:29:44pm

The race is on!

Well sports fans, who WILL turn out to be the biggest, baddest, bald faced liar of the Democratic party?

So far it's neck and neck, Hillary vs Obama, who will tell the biggest whopper before the convention?

/Las Vegas bookies wanna take your bet.

137 Silhouette  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:29:51pm

re: #93 Nevergiveup

re: #87 Mich-again

I bet the whole attic detail was fabricated to conjure up the image of "bats in the belfry" as in his Uncle was suffering with mental illness. Gee was he pushing any political plan when he brought the story up?

Yup. Better medical care for soldiers coming back with traumatic stress from war.

And by pure coincidence I'm sure, the AP released a story today on increased PTSD.

It is not shocking that during time of war, cases of war-related stress would increase. I want to be clear because earlier it appeared I was knocking those who have this. It does occur. Some soldiers in war are injured, it is an inescapable fact.

But I am certain that this is just a typical LLL "crisis" - something that isn't new, isn't in epidemic mode, yet will suddenly leap to the forefront as an issue whose only solution lies in more socialism electing democrats.

138 FrogMarch  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:29:53pm

Obama is surrounded by Palestinian adoring/Israel-hating leftists. I suppose his great uncle once removed is his get-the-Jew-vote for free card.

139 Killian Bundy  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:29:54pm

re: #125 DistantThunder

What would Obama do? WWOD?

Raise your taxes.

/for starters

140 Teacake!  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:30:03pm
It appears that Obama's great-uncle really was involved in the liberation of Buchenwald. If so, Barry should know the significance well enough to have memorized every detail, or at least the vital ones, over the years. Could he be unaware of this simply because he never thought it was especially important?

He probably never heard the stories first hand from the uncle, just knew his uncle was in the war and had people do the research to make up a story.

141 WrathofG-d  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:30:09pm

I think Barry is saying that his Gpa was the 1st of Americans to enter the camps.

/Wonder how his Hamas supporters are taking all this news about the Holocaust.

142 Perplexed  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:30:13pm

re: #133 Dustyvet

and Obama himself was a crewmen on Hanoi John Kerry's Swift Boat...On that famous trip up the Mekong River and into Cambodia in 1968 when Richard Nixon was President.

Hmm, that might have him still in diapers....

143 WrathofG-d  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:30:44pm

re: #137 Silhouette

OT:

I responded to you on the prior thread.

OT.

144 Gang of One  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:31:15pm

re: #131 Nevergiveup

No it was only a tent but it was all he had till Gen. Doug MacArthur rode in and ran him out.

No, you're mistaken ... it was not MacArthur, it was William T. Sherman, in one of his new tanks.

145 The Shadow Do  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:31:16pm

Actually this disturbed war vet in the basement/attic/whatever has been around for about as long as I have. I wish I could pinpoint just one actual instance - aside from reports from Bogus Obama that is.

146 DesertSage  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:31:18pm

re: #125 DistantThunder


So why doesn't NObama care about the rape rooms, and mass graves in Iraq filled with women, children and expectant mothers? Didn't he learn anything from his family except socialism and racism?

Obama comes from a worldview that Saddam wouldn't have been a bad guy....but for our harassment of him and the sanctions we placed on him. It our fault after all, we are the aggressors.

Typical textbook Lefty philosophy.

147 Dustyvet  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:31:29pm

re: #142 Perplexed

He was in the Infantry...:)

148 RickZ  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:31:44pm

My # 134: Routing, damnit,

routing

.

149 psyop  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:32:10pm

Contrast this blatant politicizing of a relatives (we think) account of war (if they are accurate) by Obama with McCain never talking about his Marine and Navy sons, one of which (the Marine) has actually done a tour of combat.

150 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:32:32pm

Blasphemy!

Church calls zombie parade blasphemous

A procession of devils, ghosts and zombies through the historic Spanish city of Toledo has been branded blasphemous by the Catholic Church.

Actors from the Morboria theatre company performed a representation inspired by the medieval Dance of Death in Toledo's streets on Saturday, provoking an angry reaction from the cathedral pulpit the following day.

"We ask forgiveness for those who yesterday insulted the body of Christ," said Archbishop Antonio Canizares, quoted in newspaper El Pais.

He told worshippers the procession, which also included a Virgin Mary and a Saint Peter, made a mockery of the Catholic celebration of Corpus Christi.

151 Mich-again  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:33:59pm

Meanwhile, Obama's Peace Partner in Tehran is telling everyone that the Holocaust is a hoax...

152 FlyingTigress  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:34:09pm

re: #1 DesertSage

Give him a break... he smoked some bad arugula the night before.

153 Killian Bundy  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:34:10pm

Barack Obama gets Fidel Castro's support

Senator Barack Obama's foreign policy credentials took a further blow on Tuesday after his candidacy for the Democratic presidential nomination won the backing of Fidel Castro.

The former Cuban president gave a qualified endorsement to Mr Obama whom he described as "the most-advanced candidate" in the race for the White House.

/hello Florida!

154 Peter Griffin  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:34:51pm

Obama Bin Gaffen

155 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:35:00pm

re: #151 Mich-again

Meanwhile, Obama's Peace Partner in Tehran is telling everyone that the Holocaust is a hoax...

Well compared to what he has planned.......?

156 EC Marm  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:35:26pm

re: #150 Killgore Trout
Holy Toledo! Did you see the seething?

"We ask forgiveness for those who yesterday insulted the body of Christ," said Archbishop Antonio Canizares, quoted in newspaper El Pais.
157 A Kiwi Infidel  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:36:05pm

re: #118 shiplord kirel

Speaking of OHB, liar, liar pants on fire springs to mind.

As to SK,s "garbled war time stories" I always remember asking my grandfather about his WW1 exploits and not getting much from him except that he "got shot in the arse"

Actually, what happened according to his war record which I had the honour and privilege to read. He got shot, alright. Through one testicle and exiting the buttock. The exit wound was very bad. He lay in the field of the Somme for 2 days before found by some french stretcher bearers (thats a miracle in itself) and was carried to a british first aid station, close to death. It ended his war campaign.
Little did we know.

158 DesertSage  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:36:05pm

re: #153 Killian Bundy

Barack Obama gets Fidel Castro's support

/hello Florida!

Has Hugo endorsed yet?

159 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:36:07pm

re: #156 EC Marm

Behead those who forgive!

160 Charles the Hammer  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:36:16pm

You know what else is interesting? The liberals promote all of these films and stories about how all of our soldiers are psychotic, beer-swilling redneck racists. Then, liberal politicians talk about how our soldiers come back broken and mentally destroyed individuals.

Well, if they were a bunch of psychos before, couldn't we conclude that the service did nothing to them and owes them nothing? Liberals are strange creatures - the story changes depending on who you're talking to and whose vote you are trying to get. Thus, Obama tries to take vicarious credit for a family member liberating Auschwitz, or Buchenwald, or some sub-camp of Buchenwald . . . whatever.

And does anyone else find it interesting that Obama is black and that his white relatives had racist tendencies until he's trying to use their military service to bolster his "patriot" levels? Then, suddenly, he's once again a bi-racial candidate.

the sinner,

Charles

161 Mich-again  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:36:27pm

re: #153 Killian Bundy

Obama is the only candidate endorsed in all 56 57 58 States.

162 Perplexed  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:36:30pm

Time to get dinner and retrieve the luggage from the car. Another week on the road. Bye.

163 The Shadow Do  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:37:06pm

re: #149 psyop

Contrast this blatant politicizing of a relatives (we think) account of war (if they are accurate) by Obama with McCain never talking about his Marine and Navy sons, one of which (the Marine) has actually done a tour of combat.

Yup, McCain can be frustrating at times with his reticence. But this has been well worth admiration. Nothing like a few generations of military service to define personal honor.

I did think it a touch of genius today to invite Obama on a joint tour of the Iraq theater. That is a legitimate shot to the Bogus man's solar plexus.

164 johnnyreb  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:37:07pm

Hey give him a break. After all I took a bazooka round in the head at the little big horn when I was in the Navy. That is seared in my brain. Or maybe it was a flamethrower in the 30 years war.

But the thing about PTSD really bugs me. As someone pointed out on an earlier thread, if you get that label put on you by the military it goes in a Federal database and you will never ever be able to buy a gun for the rest of your life.

165 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:37:23pm

re: #156 EC Marm

It must have been one of those mockery parades that they have in Europe. It's about that time of year. Maybe someone will mock Islam this year too.

166 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:38:28pm

A little civics test:
[Link: www.americancivicliteracy.org...]

167 profitsbeard  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:38:39pm

"6 months in an attic"?

By "attic", Obama was refering to an ancient Greek concept, "Attic wit", not a real architectural location in an actual house, which explains his entire faux pas, you fools.

It was not meant to be taken literally.

This was not about the real WW II.

His uncle was just entertaining the children with make-believe tales.

And it's all for the children, right?

Stop being so literal with the Messiah's metaphors.

Jesus spoke in parables.

Barry chats in parabolas.

168 Hard Right  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:39:11pm

Obama is going to need a bigger bus.

169 Silhouette  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:39:26pm

re: #157 A Kiwi Infidel

One of the problems with getting the story of what happened in a battle is that heros rarely brag and braggers are rarely heros.

I guess you have to be a fly on the wall when old soldiers get together to toast their friends to hear all they really went through for us.

170 maddogg  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:40:00pm

re: #158 DesertSage

Has Idi Amin endorsed Obama yet?

171 Silhouette  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:40:27pm

re: #166 Nevergiveup

I LOVE tests!

172 Killian Bundy  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:40:34pm

re: #161 Mich-again

Obama is the only candidate endorsed in all 56 57 58 States.

Make it 59.

President Daniel Ortega, who led the 1979 revolution in Nicaragua, says Barack Obama's presidential bid is a "revolutionary" phenomenon in the United States.

"It's not to say that there is already a revolution under way in the U.S. ... but yes, they are laying the foundations for a revolutionary change," the Sandinista leader said Wednesday night as he accepted an honorary doctorate from an engineering university.

/or is it 60?

173 psyop  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:41:24pm

re: #163 The Shadow Do

I would love to see Obama go back to Iraq and tell the government there that they aren't making progress and that the war is lost.

'Course, he hasn't been there since before the highly effective surge, and McCain has several times.

174 Russkilitlover  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:41:34pm

re: #74 Killgore Trout

Obama's retort......
Obama's (Great) Uncle

So it's not Aushwitz, it's not Ohrdruf, now it's Buchenwald? My head hurts. He just keeps stepping in it and stepping in it. Stop BHO! I'm dizzy!

175 Killian Bundy  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:42:04pm

re: #158 DesertSage

Has Hugo endorsed yet?

/pretty much

176 A Kiwi Infidel  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:43:58pm

Its been said before.........just keep feeding him the rope..........

177 tokyobk  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:43:59pm

re: #160 Charles the Hammer


Charles

Charles, one reason I am less likely than some here to go down the full marxist, muslim route is beacuse I think he is just a politician-- and I also happen to theink he is a very skilled one, much more skilled than many here give him credit (or can stomach which I understand).

Watch for him to move to the center and all of a sudden be a multi-racial immigrant, who built log cabins with American flags where bhe backed his saintly mom (if he can remember her name) apple pies.

Barack ran as black when he needed to and now he will run as an "omni-american" or "uber-american."

178 Occasional Reader  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:44:27pm

Okay, folks, spelling reminder time: IT'S "AUSCHWITZ", WITH A "C".

Thank you.

179 johnnyreb  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:44:28pm

re: #169 Silhouette

One of the problems with getting the story of what happened in a battle is that heros rarely brag and braggers are rarely heros.

I guess you have to be a fly on the wall when old soldiers get together to toast their friends to hear all they really went through for us.


Exactly. We had a member of our VFW post that had won the Distinguished Service Cross. He never said a friggin word about it. I didn't know he had won that until after he died. Billy Walkabout, nicest guy in the world. Sad he died from cancer.

And we had a stupid person that said he won the Medal of Honor in Nam. I did some checking and found out he was a liar. We revoked his membership and called the cops on him.

180 irongrampa  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:44:41pm

re: #169 Silhouette

Or you can have a father who never says squat about his service until you yourself return from your stint. Quite a revelation about a horrific expewrience, that was.

181 Dahveed  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:44:58pm

I am actually willing to give Obama the benefit of the doubt on this one. He may have been told a story when he was young and he interpreted it incorrectly.

But, in conjunction with his other historical gaffes I become more and more certain he is not ready for primetime. If George W. Bush made similar statements the media would be all over him. They would never let so many of these mistatements go.

182 itellu3times  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:45:38pm

re: #118 shiplord kirel

It appears that Obama's great-uncle really was involved in the liberation of Buchenwald. If so, Barry should know the significance well enough to have memorized every detail, or at least the vital ones, over the years. Could he be unaware of this simply because he never thought it was especially important?

Simplified for us yahoos.

183 godfrey  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:46:12pm

re: #181 Dahveed

These mistakes represent Obama's lack of interest in history.

184 tokyobk  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:47:42pm

re: #178 Occasional Reader

Okay, folks, spelling reminder time: IT'S "AUSCHWITZ", WITH A "C".

Thank you.

Though if you go there, make sure to call it Oswencim, cause the locals do not take kindly to the enduring use of the imposed German name.

185 blangwort  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:47:44pm

Those who don't study history are doomed to repeat it, even with the best of intentions.

Vote Ignorance. Vote Obama.

Sigh. Of all the candidates the Dems had, did they have to pick this loser?

186 hermeneutics  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:47:58pm

Lets assume that the Jewish vote isn't the usual 80-90 percent Democratic but rather splits about 50-50.

Can you imagine the response of the Ds? The only reason their antisemitism has been somewhat hidden, in the past, has been their acceptance of Jews as a sure voting bloc. If Jews start splitting their vote between R and D, then the lid covering their latent antisemitism will be lifted.

God knows what they'll do.

187 J.D.  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:48:45pm
LAS VEGAS — U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama is distancing himself from expectations he would meet Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and taking a more cautious stand on talking to other U.S. adversaries.

With criticism from Republicans turning harsher as Obama moves closer to winning the Democratic nomination battle against rival Hillary Clinton, the Illinois senator has shifted -- but not abandoned -- his position.

Sen. John McCain, the Republicans' presumptive nominee for the November election, has expressed outrage that Obama would talk to Ahmadinejad, whose country does not recognize Israel and who has branded the Jewish state a "stinking corpse."

"There's definitely been an adjustment in what was initially a pretty categorical position," said Ross Baker, a political scientist a Rutgers University. "As (Obama) has gone around the country campaigning, he has realized he's had to fine-tune his position."

In a CNN presidential candidates debate in July 2007, Obama was asked if he would be willing "without precondition" to meet with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea during the first year of his administration.

"I would," Obama said. "And the reason is this, that the notion that somehow not talking to countries is punishment to them -- which has been the guiding diplomatic principle of this administration -- is ridiculous." ...


Obama qualifies position on talking to enemies


Say what you mean or mean what you say.
Does it ever end?

188 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:49:01pm

re: #180 irongrampa

Or you can have a father who never says squat about his service until you yourself return from your stint. Quite a revelation about a horrific expewrience, that was.

Or you can have a dad who never really talked about it and then after he dies you have do weeks of research to figure out how it all fit together. And you find out your dad was a real hero. So if your dad is still here, give him a call.

189 Soccer Fan  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:49:13pm

At least, for the moment, he doesn't deny that the Holocaust was real. Wait until he has his private talks with Dinnerjacket and Thugo...

190 godfrey  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:49:51pm

re: #187 J.D.

Does Obama just fundamentally not get diplomacy?

191 WhiteRasta  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:49:59pm

re: #183 godfrey

Oh, I disagree with you on that point.

This represents B. Hussain .Obama's lack of credibility on each and every subject he seems to have touched on...

The man is a complete phoney.

192 johnnyreb  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:50:46pm

Here is a link to Billy Walkabout from my above #179. Sad story after he came back.

[Link: www.usatoday.com...]

193 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:50:47pm

re: #186 hermeneutics

Lets assume that the Jewish vote isn't the usual 80-90 percent Democratic but rather splits about 50-50.

Can you imagine the response of the Ds? The only reason their antisemitism has been somewhat hidden, in the past, has been their acceptance of Jews as a sure voting bloc. If Jews start splitting their vote between R and D, then the lid covering their latent antisemitism will be lifted.

God knows what they'll do.

Interesting take. And possibly true. Who do you think the "Black Liberation Theologians" will blame?

194 Teh Flowah  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:51:24pm

Mmmm, I don't like to jump on such things. McCain has misspoken a couple times too, I don't hold that against him, and so has Hillary. I gave them the benefit of the doubt and I'll do the same for Obama. Now, in terms of his Iran policy, there's something really meaty to grab on to, especially in light of reports all but confirming what we have "known" for a long time. Iran's president has been lying about his nuclear intentions.

195 The Shadow Do  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:51:35pm

re: #169 Silhouette

One of the problems with getting the story of what happened in a battle is that heroes rarely brag and braggers are rarely heroes.

I guess you have to be a fly on the wall when old soldiers get together to toast their friends to hear all they really went through for us.

Exactly so. What little detail I have of my father's very heroic WWII service was gained by listening through my bedroom door when he was together having a few with old friends from theater (Philippines, Dutch East Indies). My father the colonel: Silver Star, Bronze Star with V X2, Distinguished Flying Cross, Purple Heart, etc. etc.

SOB never told me shit.

196 EC Marm  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:51:54pm

re: #165 Killgore Trout

It must have been one of those mockery parades that they have in Europe. It's about that time of year. Maybe someone will mock Islam this year too.


Mock Islam? The horror, the horror...

197 bulwrk  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:52:14pm

re: #181 Dahveed

so maybe he got the part about his great uncle locking himself away in the attic wrong.

198 DesertSage  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:52:32pm

re: #177 tokyobk

tokyo, Obama really is as far Left as people portray him.

His voting record (as sparse as it is) speaks volumes. Unlike McCain, who has literally crossed the aisle to work with the opposition to move legislation forward (much to the consternation of most conservatives), Obama has never worked with any Republicans.

Like it or not, Obama is solidly on the Left....definitely a Socialist. Bordering on Marxist.

199 godfrey  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:52:36pm

re: #191 WhiteRasta

Sounds like a both/and to me. He can't be bothered to learn historical detail, and he's a complete phony.

He sees the "big picture" (change!) and can't be bothered with the rest.

200 Charles the Hammer  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:53:19pm

re: #177 tokyobk

Charles, one reason I am less likely than some here to go down the full marxist, muslim route is beacuse I think he is just a politician-- and I also happen to theink he is a very skilled one, much more skilled than many here give him credit (or can stomach which I understand).

Watch for him to move to the center and all of a sudden be a multi-racial immigrant, who built log cabins with American flags where bhe backed his saintly mom (if he can remember her name) apple pies.

Barack ran as black when he needed to and now he will run as an "omni-american" or "uber-american."

I don't really think he is that skilled of a politician. Not at all. I've listened to several whole speeches, and to say that I'm underwhelmed is an understatement. Truly, I don't think that any white politician with this level of rhetorical skills would have gone this far.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know that this is a "racist" post, but we have to remember who we're dealing with here: liberals who engage in identity politics, so the entire Dem primary this year has been an exercise in "whose group is the most aggrieved?" If you don't support Obama, you're a racist. If you don't support Hillary, you're a sexist . . . this postmodernist identity politics is to blame for the Democratic party's issues right now. Not anything else - not "redneck, Bible-thumpin' mouth-breathers" from Pennsylvania or West Virginia, not sexist minorities or whatever else the nutjobs out here in CA talk about. This is a monster of the liberals' own creation.

Honestly, he has no solid experience, he makes Ted Kennedy look like Reagan, and he makes so many mistakes (generously called "gaffes") that you have to wonder about his actual political IQ.

And his pastor? Either he agrees with the man (Michelle Obama's speeches would indicate this) or he was there to get street cred. Either way, this would crush a white candidate in and of itself.

the sinner,

Charles

201 Steffan  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:53:53pm

I really hope the RNC is keeping track of all this.

Between Labor Day and Election Day, I can just see the ads that could be run from all this. And hear the Obama campaign screaming. Not to mention Obama and his hausfrau themselves.

Misquoting Robert Duvall: "I love the sound of moonbat screaming in the morning. It sounds like.... victory."

202 The Shadow Do  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:54:05pm

re: #181 Dahveed

I am actually willing to give Obama the benefit of the doubt on this one. He may have been told a story when he was young and he interpreted it incorrectly.

But, in conjunction with his other historical gaffes I become more and more certain he is not ready for primetime. If George W. Bush made similar statements the media would be all over him. They would never let so many of these mistatements go.

Cut him slack if you like. He has earned none from me. And one does have to earn a reputation.

203 snowcrash  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:54:07pm

re: #182 itellu3times
Yep. He just dummies it down for us regular people.

204 J.D.  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:54:25pm

Wartime PTSD cases jumped roughly 50 pct. in 2007

...The accounting of diagnosed cases released Tuesday shows those hardest hit last year were Marines and Army personnel, the two ground forces bearing the brunt of combat in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The Army reported more than 10,000 new cases last year, compared with more than 6,800 new cases the previous year. More than 28,000 soldiers altogether were diagnosed with the disorder over the last five years, the data showed.

The Marine Corps had more than 2,100 new cases in 2007, compared with 1,366 in 2006. More than 5,000 Marines have been diagnosed with PTSD since 2003, the data showed.

Navy officials who would have data on Marine health issues did not return a phone call seeking to confirm the numbers released by Schoomaker's office.

Schoomaker said he believes PTSD is widely misunderstood by the press and the public — and that what is often just normal post-traumatic anxiety and stress is mistaken for full-blown PTSD.

Experts say many troops have symptoms of stress, such as nightmares and flashbacks, and can get better with early treatment.

The Pentagon had previously only given a percentage of troops believed affected by depression, anxiety, stress and so on — saying up to 20 percent return home with symptoms of mental health problems. A recent private study estimated that could mean up to 300,000 of those who've served have symptoms.

The Veterans Affairs Department said recently it has seen some 120,000 Iraq and Afghanistan veterans who have received at least a preliminary mental health diagnosis, with PTSD being the most common diagnosis at nearly 60,000.

An undisclosed number of troops also go to private care providers who are part of the huge military health care system. Schoomaker noted that National Guard and Reserve troops often go home to communities where there is not a veterans facility nearby....

205 Nevergiveup  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:54:39pm

re: #201 Steffan

I really hope the RNC is keeping track of all this.

Between Labor Day and Election Day, I can just see the ads that could be run from all this. And hear the Obama campaign screaming. Not to mention Obama and his hausfrau themselves.

Misquoting Robert Duvall: "I love the sound of moonbat screaming in the morning. It sounds like.... victory."

They are and so are the RJC.

206 irongrampa  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:54:57pm

re: #188 Nevergiveup

If only. I didn't know my dad until I was 6, he enlisted right after Pearl Harbor, and I first saw him in early 46. After I got to know him, he became, and still is, my role model

Sadly, he died in 96, and i miss him every day.

207 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:55:00pm

re: #196 EC Marm

It's been a long time since I've watched that. i never really understood the thing with the Playboy bunnies who had a body in that trunk. Maybe it's make sense the next time I watch.

208 Silhouette  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:55:15pm

re: #166 Nevergiveup

A little civics test:
[Link: www.americancivicliteracy.org...]

(I) answered 56 out of 60 correctly — 93.33 %

I know I'm the idiot here, so let's see those 100s, folks.

209 Dahveed  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:55:26pm

re: #183 godfrey

What also bothers me just as much is that he is speaking to a group of people that know just as little as he does. Nobody would even know about this but for talk radio and the right blogs. So, not only do the people he is talking to coming away with poor information and poor history, but they probably don't even bother to check his information out. The ignorance of the people that will vote for him combined with a sympathetic MSM is a recipe for disaster.

210 EC Marm  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:55:26pm

re: #178 Occasional Reader

Okay, folks, spelling reminder time: IT'S "AUSCHWITZ", WITH A "C".

Thank you.


At least the casual spellers here know the difference between Auschwitz and Buchenwald. Unlike one of the candidates for the highest office in this land.

211 WhiteRasta  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:56:16pm

Dear G-d!

This is the best you Yanks can come up with?

The nation that landed a man on the moon?

This Nimrod?

212 Dahveed  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:57:09pm

re: #202 The Shadow Do

Please don't get me wrong, I am merely giving him the benefit on being confused. I think he is not worthy of slack on any of his ideas or his interpretations of history.

213 Opinionated  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:57:59pm

Message to Obama.

Less change.

More unchanged truth.

214 Mich-again  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:58:07pm

re: #198 DesertSage

Like it or not, Obama is solidly on the Left....definitely a Socialist. Bordering on Marxist.

Carrying water for Soros.inc.

215 Silhouette  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:59:24pm

re: #211 WhiteRasta

Took a political survey today.

"Who will you be voting for?"
From list of choices: McCain
"What is your opinion of McCain?"
From list of choices: Extremely unfavorable.

Bet that one screwed up the polling data. She hates him, yet will vote for him? Does. Not. Compute.

216 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 27, 2008 4:59:33pm
217 J.D.  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:00:46pm

re: #190 godfrey

Does Obama just fundamentally not get diplomacy?

I'm guessing that's a fair assessment.

218 Tigger2005  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:02:37pm

re: #211 WhiteRasta

Dear G-d!

This is the best you Yanks can come up with?

The nation that landed a man on the moon?

This Nimrod?

No, it's the best the Leftist anti-American freaks we Yanks unfortunately have to share our country with* can come up with.

*Until Civil War II, anyway

219 Silhouette  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:03:29pm

re: #216 Killgore Trout

Speaking of gaffes...
New McCain ad features woman wearing ... Obama t-shirt

They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick.

220 J.D.  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:03:51pm

re: #201 Steffan

I really hope the RNC is keeping track of all this.


Obama admits reference to Auschwitz was wrong

WASHINGTON — Democrat Barack Obama admitted on Tuesday he was wrong to say his uncle helped liberate the Nazis' Auschwitz concentration camp after Republicans said Soviet troops freed the camp. ...

221 JeremyR  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:05:16pm

Does anybody have information on Carter giving some kind of speach today?

222 The Shadow Do  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:06:43pm

re: #217 J.D.

I'm guessing that's a fair assessment.

I'm pretty sure he has successfully defined negotiation as an end and not a means. He is very willing to negotiate from a position of weakness. He is not very smart and even less wise.

223 Silhouette  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:07:08pm

re: #220 J.D.

after Republicans said Soviet troops freed the camp

Said?

Could the writer not take two seconds to confirm so that the fact didn't have to remain "hearsay" in the article?

224 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:07:36pm

re: #114 ted

I'm a shrink. I've worked in two VA hospitals here in NYC. I can assure you our Vets have full access too and receive world class mental health services that they deserve.

BHO's grandpa in the attic story is BS

I am one of those vets and the service (mental health wise) is great. I was given a referral to a civilian Psych and have been going consistently for the last 7 years.

225 JeremyR  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:09:24pm

re: #214 Mich-again

Carrying water for Soros.inc.

IMHO the only diffrence between a socialist and a communists is that socialists lack a spine. BHussein is 100% socialist, among the invertibrates of the democrat party.

226 stuiec  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:09:36pm

Trivial matter, tiny inconsistency, I'm sure this can be clarified quickly... but...

Obama says it was his great-uncle Charles W. Payne who served in the 89th Division in WWII and who helped liberate Ohrdruf.

The unit roster of the 89th Division is here:

http://89infdivww2.org//home/list_p.htm

This is the page with last names beginning with P.

A Pfc C. T. Payne is listed as serving with the 355th Infantry Regiment, the one that liberated the Ohrdruf subcamp of the Buchenwald complex.

A Pfc. W. C. Payne is listed as serving with the 354th.

But there is no C. W. Payne listed.

Can someone clarify that?

227 JeremyR  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:11:07pm

re: #114 ted

I'm a shrink. I've worked in two VA hospitals here in NYC. I can assure you our Vets have full access too and receive world class mental health services that they deserve.

BHO's grandpa in the attic story is BS

Cut grampa some slack, they didn't have a closet when he got home from the war.

228 maddogg  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:12:24pm

re: #211 WhiteRasta

Its the best the Leftoids can come up with. We can and have done better. Look what they have to work with, liars, cowards, communists, traitors. Obama is probably the best they can do.

229 JeremyR  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:14:19pm

re: #226 stuiec

Trivial matter, tiny inconsistency, I'm sure this can be clarified quickly... but...

Obama says it was his great-uncle Charles W. Payne who served in the 89th Division in WWII and who helped liberate Ohrdruf.

The unit roster of the 89th Division is here:

http://89infdivww2.org//home/list_p.htm

This is the page with last names beginning with P.

A Pfc C. T. Payne is listed as serving with the 355th Infantry Regiment, the one that liberated the Ohrdruf subcamp of the Buchenwald complex.

A Pfc. W. C. Payne is listed as serving with the 354th.

But there is no C. W. Payne listed.

Can someone clarify that?

To give him the benefit of the doubt which he does not deserve, my father was known his entire life as Robert Benjamin, and not until he retired did we learn that he was Benjamin Robert. FWIW I have many friends who go by their middle names. Incidently, my dads college degree lists him as Robert Benjamin as do his marriage license and all his pertinant data.

230 J.D.  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:15:12pm

re: #222 The Shadow Do

Scary, isn't it?


re: #223 Silhouette

But then it wouldn't sound like the evil Republicans are picking on him.
That was Reuters, wasn't it?

231 avspatti  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:17:19pm

re: #160 Charles the Hammer


And does anyone else find it interesting that Obama is black and that his white relatives had racist tendencies until he's trying to use their military service to bolster his "patriot" levels? Then, suddenly, he's once again a bi-racial candidate.

the sinner,

Charles

I will tell you all what is wrong with Obama. He doesn't know who he is. Do we want someone that confused in the Oval Office?

232 tokyobk  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:24:21pm

re: #200 Charles the Hammer

I don';t think you are a racist for not supporting or even criticizing Obama. Obviously, not to be able to do so is racist as is a constant theme here.

I do think if you underestimate Obama you will be very dissapointed and frustrated and I do think to underestimate his raw political skill is naieve and wishful.

He is not going away and he is only going ot get more Obama-esque as those traits support his upward swing. And in twenty years when he is trying to get Michelle elected, those who supported him will see as well.

233 Soccer Fan  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:29:50pm

re: #209 Dahveed

What also bothers me just as much is that he is speaking to a group of people that know just as little as he does. Nobody would even know about this but for talk radio and the right blogs. So, not only do the people he is talking to coming away with poor information and poor history, but they probably don't even bother to check his information out. The ignorance of the people that will vote for him combined with a sympathetic MSM is a recipe for disaster.

Most people voting for Obama wouldn't know what wars were fought the battles of Bunker Hill or Bull Run much less than the name of the principal holocaust sites. Truth is I only knew that the Soviets liberated Auschwitz because I met a survivor who told me her story. What really bothers me about BO is that if I personally had family that had lived that experience I would have made it a priority in my life to hear that story. Apparently BO has such family but never cared about their history. Very telling in my opinion regarding his world view and how he views his family.

234 FrogMarch  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:35:24pm

and now a word about Hillary Clinton-hatred:

It was simply asserted that she was charismatic, charming, exciting etc. And I never saw it. Not even a little. I still don't. I find her to be completely charmless.

I agree it's more about the media manipulation that Hillary is so charismatic and charming. Maybe on "entertainment tonight and hollywood insider" (bought and paid for by Bill and friends) but to the rest of us -- she's a power hungry phony.

235 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:36:06pm

re: #231 avspatti

I will tell you all what is wrong with Obama. He doesn't know who he is. Do we want someone that confused in the Oval Office?

It's because he doesn't have any more identity than what his trainers have given him.

236 Intrepid  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:37:11pm

My father actually signed up two days after Pearl Harbor - the delay was because he had to talk his parents into signing for him since he was only 17.

Went into the Navy, and served on the USS Quincy and IIRC the USS Arkansas. (not sure of the last one - better ask my brother)

He served as a gunners' mate until the end of the war, in both Atlantic and Pacific theaters. And when he came home, he did not hide in any attics, he went to work and bought my grandparents a Television, the first one on the block.

Obama is trying to get the vet vote with his nonsensical statements. My dad (a life-long democrat) would spit at the mention of the name of Barack Obama.

237 avspatti  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:48:06pm

re: #187 J.D.

Obama qualifies position on talking to enemies


Say what you mean or mean what you say.
Does it ever end?

He doesn't know what he means or thinks.

238 katemaclaren  Tue, May 27, 2008 6:02:42pm

re: #5 jcm

Grandma was there too, but you can't see her, she's under the bus.

lol! Good one!

239 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 6:06:37pm
240 katemaclaren  Tue, May 27, 2008 6:06:44pm

...and to think that he graduated from Harvard. I wonder what HIS gpa was.

241 BIGDUKE 6  Tue, May 27, 2008 6:32:27pm

re: #51 Killgore Trout

From Hot Air headlines: [Breaking]: McCain cheek cancer returns
Klassy.

Can you imagine if Mrs. Obama was ripped into like that !

242 BIGDUKE 6  Tue, May 27, 2008 6:34:55pm

re: #233 Soccer Fan

Most people voting for Obama wouldn't know what wars were fought the battles of Bunker Hill or Bull Run much less than the name of the principal holocaust sites. Truth is I only knew that the Soviets liberated Auschwitz because I met a survivor who told me her story. What really bothers me about BO is that if I personally had family that had lived that experience I would have made it a priority in my life to hear that story. Apparently BO has such family but never cared about their history. Very telling in my opinion regarding his world view and how he views his family.

Hell just say anything for votes

243 nadadhimmi  Tue, May 27, 2008 6:36:56pm

Here's a little TRUE family history of mine. My Dad died March 6th, 08. He was in the 4th Armored division, 35th Tank Battalion, C Company. In Early April 1945, they were in Combat Command A. They really did liberate Ordruff camp. General Patton puked when he saw the camp, and you know it's bad to make George S. Patton puke. The mayor of Gotha and his wife did commit suicide that night after viewing the camp. Don't believe for an instant the townspeople didn't know what was going on, Dad said you could smell it over the tank exhaust for 10 miles. What I've never heard before anywhere else though is Dad said as one of the 1st tanks into the gates, they caught some SS gaurds that hadn't bugged out yet. Our soldiers turned the SS over to the inmates and they tore them literally barehanded, limb from limb. I asked Dad one time as a boy what SS stood for. His answer: " sneakin' shit ". That's some TRUE history boys and girls.

244 BIGDUKE 6  Tue, May 27, 2008 6:38:04pm

re: #200 Charles the Hammer

WHAT CHUCK SAID !

245 kingronjo  Tue, May 27, 2008 6:43:05pm

hey, at least it wasn't seared, SEARED, into his memory.

246 BIGDUKE 6  Tue, May 27, 2008 6:46:56pm

re: #130 lizzy

Sadly I think in todays world of 5 minute memory span combined with the sheer number of murdered is mind numbing. The horror of the death camps is minimized and therefore easily denied.
The fact that places like Treblinka were literally covered with earth and turned into farmland further serves to minimize the horrors.
BHO's comments will be brushed aside by the MSM.
It is up to US to never forget and to say NEVER again.

247 BIGDUKE 6  Tue, May 27, 2008 6:49:19pm

re: #243 nadadhimmi

Here's a little TRUE family history of mine. My Dad died March 6th, 08. He was in the 4th Armored division, 35th Tank Battalion, C Company. In Early April 1945, they were in Combat Command A. They really did liberate Ordruff camp. General Patton puked when he saw the camp, and you know it's bad to make George S. Patton puke. The mayor of Gotha and his wife did commit suicide that night after viewing the camp. Don't believe for an instant the townspeople didn't know what was going on, Dad said you could smell it over the tank exhaust for 10 miles. What I've never heard before anywhere else though is Dad said as one of the 1st tanks into the gates, they caught some SS gaurds that hadn't bugged out yet. Our soldiers turned the SS over to the inmates and they tore them literally barehanded, limb from limb. I asked Dad one time as a boy what SS stood for. His answer: " sneakin' shit ". That's some TRUE history boys and girls.

May the Lord keep you Dad & men like him for they truley saved the world.

248 nadadhimmi  Tue, May 27, 2008 7:14:48pm

re: #247 BIGDUKE 6

May the Lord keep you Dad & men like him for they truley saved the world.

Thank you BIGDUKE.

249 Steffan  Tue, May 27, 2008 7:21:13pm

re: #166 Nevergiveup

A little civics test:
[Link: www.americancivicliteracy.org...]

I got 50 out of 60, 83.33%. Makes me wonder exactly what they're teaching at Harvard and those other schools.

250 Montaigne's Cat  Tue, May 27, 2008 7:23:29pm

in alphabetical order:
Scott Thomas Beauchamp
Jayson Blair
Janet Cooke
Stephen Glass
Barack Obama

251 Steffan  Tue, May 27, 2008 7:38:38pm

re: #184 tokyobk

Though if you go there, make sure to call it Oswencim, cause the locals do not take kindly to the enduring use of the imposed German name.

Right. And if you want to see Birkenau (Auschwitz II, the camp most people think of when they hear "Auschwitz"), be sure to call it Brzezinka. That was the actual extermination camp for the Auschwitz complex, and is mostly preserved as it was found by the Red Army.

The "Arbeit Macht Frei" sign was over the gate at Auschwitz I, which was (mostly) the administration center. Most of the Jews who ended up there went straight to the extermination camp and never saw that sign.

252 jordash1212  Tue, May 27, 2008 7:40:55pm

All clear now: [Link: andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com...]

"This was the RNC's Alex Conant:
Unless his uncle was serving in the Red Army, there’s no way Obama’s statement yesterday can be true. Obama’s frequent exaggerations and outright distortions raise questions about his judgment and his readiness to lead as commander in chief."

253 Steffan  Tue, May 27, 2008 7:43:08pm

re: #215 Silhouette

That's why I have a Cthulhu 2008 bumper sticker on my truck.

254 Steffan  Tue, May 27, 2008 7:47:34pm

re: #229 JeremyR

Fairly famous example: Lawrence Joshua Chamberlain, when he hit his majority, switched his given names to Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain. However, he still preferred to be called "Lawrence" by family and friends. Everybody else called him "General."

255 Steffan  Tue, May 27, 2008 7:50:41pm

re: #232 tokyobk

I don';t think you are a racist for not supporting or even criticizing Obama. Obviously, not to be able to do so is racist as is a constant theme here.

I do think if you underestimate Obama you will be very dissapointed and frustrated and I do think to underestimate his raw political skill is naieve and wishful.

He is not going away and he is only going ot get more Obama-esque as those traits support his upward swing. And in twenty years when he is trying to get Michelle elected, those who supported him will see as well.

He's the epitome of the Illinois-Democratic-Machine politician. This is the organization that fostered the Daleys, remember. The Teamsters Union has a very large presence in the machine.... and, IIRC, Obama has offered them some quid for the pro quo of their endorsement. Something else I hope the RNC will spotlight.

256 Steffan  Tue, May 27, 2008 7:58:13pm

re: #243 nadadhimmi

My father told me once that he was a crewman on a C-47 that flew some of the Dachau victims out. He never really said much about it.

257 Egfrow  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:37:38pm

Anyone consider maybe that Obama's Grandfather switched sides during WWII maybe he was a Soviet Soldier also. This would make allot of sense.

258 Miss Molly  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:53:03pm

I suspect Obama does not know history because he dosen't care about it. Well, except when he has to make up something to "hoodwink" his audiance. He has used the word "hoodwink" in many of his speeches when he is trying to make a point which is usually making up something on the spot.

What gets to me is his innability to speak correct English. He is a Harvard grad but still can not speak correct English? This is what Harvard turns out?

259 Homer_s  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:02:48pm

Maybe John Kerry gave his grandpa a ride.

260 shoeless  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:45:58pm

Didn't Patton lead the US forces in the Pacific?

261 Yankee Division Son  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:54:38pm

re: #260 shoeless

Didn't Patton lead the US forces in the Pacific?

No. Patton led the 3rd Army through europe. They were 'second wave' in through Normandy after D-day

262 restitutor orbis  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:08:03pm

Read Vasili Grossman's account of when the Russians arrived at the Treblinka site and saw and heard what had gone on there........pretty sick stuff. I had to read about the Red Army's rampage in Berlin just to feel better. That should tell you something.

263 LeePro  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:12:28pm

re: #257 Egfrow

Why do you have a link to the YouTube sign-up page in your profile?

264 profitsbeard  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:34:13pm

Next, Barry'll be saying he's a covert NAVY SEAL, and was integral to the capture of Khalid Sheik Mohammad, which is why he missed so many Senate votes.

265 stuiec  Wed, May 28, 2008 1:03:01am

re: #254 Steffan

Fairly famous example: Lawrence Joshua Chamberlain, when he hit his majority, switched his given names to Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain. However, he still preferred to be called "Lawrence" by family and friends. Everybody else called him "General."

OK, but the W. C. Payne in the service record was in the 354th Regiment, not the 355th that liberated Ohrdruf.

The Payne in the 355th was C. T. Payne.

The Payne in Obama's attic was Charles W. Payne. The man is still alive -- it may be possible that he can personally clear up this inconsistency.

(Because I would hate to think that someone looked up "C. Payne" in the WWII service records and picked a likely candidate so that Obama could match his uncle's name to an actual story of a camp liberator. No one could be that underhanded and dishonest... could they?)

266 GGMac  Wed, May 28, 2008 1:28:16am

re: #56 Urso1

Ref. #8 NJDhockeyfan "Someone posted a screen shot earlier."
Did anyone notice OHB's wording of the "crucible of the sword" in his speech?

His context there was the Civil War - so, "...crucible of the sword"...is merely borrowing from The Battle Hymn of the Republic: "...the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword..."

You know how old Barry likes to "borrow" others' words!

On the other hand, perhaps to his-husseinness, "crucible of the sword" has another meaning - making it a double-edged sword...

267 apachegunner  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:46:16am

Awwww come on, what was he really, really doing up their in that attic

268 apachegunner  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:46:47am

ummmm, I mean "there"

269 eaglewingz08  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:35:36am

Two comments. First, it seems that to the Obamanation all TWPs (Typical White Persons) look alike. Otherwise, how would he confuse his white grandfather with his white great uncle, or consider his great uncle to be his uncle?

Second, as some lizards pointed out both his grandfather and great uncle did not join the armed forces until May or June 1942, which according to the Obamanation meant that Pearl Harbor happened about six months later than our faulty history books and government records misinform us.

How a Harvard educated individual would not know that US/Allied troops never crossed the River Elbe in Germany, during WWII is also shocking.
Is there any real verification that either the Obamanation's grandfather or great uncle ever served in the units that he claims they did. Given the lies of the Obamanation, I would not trust him to tell the time. However, if they did serve in the units claimed and liberated these camps, I send them many blessings.

270 eaglewingz08  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:46:09am

I just noted another issue gaffe with respect to this tale, from the baldilocks site. It seems that the grandfather and the great uncle were INDUCTED, not ENLISTED. So far from enlisting of their own volition immediately after Pearl Harbor, it appears that both waited until receiving induction orders to join the military. It doesn't make their service any less creditable, just makes another rip in the Obamanation tale. Next we will learn that the house the great uncle lived in immediately after his discharge, didn't even have an attic.

271 rabbbi  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:24:05pm

Isn't it amazing how some of these Dems continue to pander to the Jewish community as if we're a bunch of idiots? (I'm afraid that some of us are)

The Democrats who have been the darling of most American Jews since Roosevelt was beatified for fighting Hitler have seemingly supported Democrats, good and bad, like a bunch of lemmings. President Bush, with all of his shortcomings (the greatest of which is is inarticulate speech) has been a great champion of democracy, the only president who really "gets it" when it comes to terrorism, and the best friend that Israel ever had in the White House. (This predisposition against Republicans is also deep seated among the African American community. For example, President Bush has engaged more senior staff and cabinet members than any other American president, but most Blacks can't seem to bring themselves to vote for Republicans, no matter what kindnesses were bestowed upon them and no matter how many advances have been made).

It has become all the rage for Dems to pander to groups for whom they really have little to no regard or respect. Remember how Bill Clinton was dubbed the first "Black President" (Sorry Barak, you're too late!) His trysts with Monica prove that he's interested only in Jewish "lip service". And then Hillary started finding Jewish roots somewhere in her background. Now Obama conveniently refers to his uncle in the attic who heroically saved Jews at Auschwitz. (This all reminds me of Steve Martin's routine that he was raised by a family of Black share-croppers).

Obama is clearly the most articulate and polished candidate, but when you look at his experience, or lack thereof, and his tendency towards appeasing enemies of democracy, you realize that he is nothing more than smoke and mirrors. By the way, there are rumors out there that he'll be changing his middle name from Hussein to "Neville".

Back to the "Obama - Auschwitz Connection" Maybe Barak Obama could employ the same defense that he used when he started distancing himself from Rev. Wright. He uncle, he can now say, "wasn't really there that day!"

Jews and African Americans ought to wake up and realize that it's time to support candidates that really serve them well along with all of the American People. Go John McCain!

RABBBI

272 aaron's rantblog  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:39:53pm
273 farblonjet  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:22:43pm

the slack obama is getting for his mishistory is quite marginal compared to the slack bush recieved for not knowing the name of the prime minister of butfukkistan in 2000.


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