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Dalrymple: A Confusion of Tongues

Tue, May 27, 2008 at 5:04:52 pm PDT

Here’s an interesting piece by Theodore Dalrymple at City Journal, on Britain’s struggle to assimilate immigrants: A Confusion of Tongues.

London is now the most ethnically diverse city in the world—more so, according to United Nations reports, even than New York. And this is not just a matter of a sprinkling of a few people of every race and nation, or of the fructifying cultural effect of foreigners (a culture closed to outsiders is dead, though perhaps that is not the only way for a culture to die). Walk down certain streets in London and one encounters a Babel of languages. If a blind person had only the speech of passersby to help him get his bearings, he would be lost; though perhaps the very lack of a predominant language might give him a clue. (This promiscuity is not to say that monocultural ghettos of foreigners do not also exist in today’s Britain.)

A third of London’s residents were born outside Britain, a higher percentage of newcomers than in any other city in the world except Miami, and the percentage continues to rise. Likewise, migration figures for the country as a whole—emigration and immigration—suggest that its population is undergoing swift replacement. Many of the newcomers are from Pakistan, India, and Africa; others are from Eastern Europe and China. If present trends continue, experts predict, in 20 years’ time, between a quarter and a third of the British population will have been born outside it, and at least a fifth of the native population will have emigrated. Britain has always had immigrants—from the French Huguenots after the revocation of the Edict of Nantes to Germans fleeing Prussian repression, from Jews escaping czarist oppression to Italian prisoners of war who stayed on after World War II—and absorbed them. But never so many, or so quickly.

To the anxiety about these unprecedented demographic changes—a substantial majority of the public, when asked, says that it wants a dramatic reduction in immigration—one can add a reticence in openly expressing it. Inducing this hesitancy are intellectuals of the self-hating variety, who welcome the destruction of the national identity and who argue—in part, correctly—that every person’s identity is multiple; that identity can and ought to change over time; and that too strong an emphasis on national identity has in the past led to barbarism. By reiteration, they have insinuated a sense of guilt into everyone’s mind, so that even to doubt the wisdom or viability of a society consisting of myriad ethnic and religious groups with no mutual sympathy (and often with mutual antagonisms) is to suspect oneself of sliding toward extreme nationalism or fascism; so that even to doubt the wisdom or viability of a society in which everyone feels himself part of an oppressed minority puts one in the same category as Jean-Marie Le Pen, or worse. This anxiety inhibits discussion of the cultural question. In view of Europe’s twentieth century, the inhibition is understandable. One consequence, however, is that little attempt has been made to question what attachment Britain’s immigrants have to the traditions and institutions of their new home.

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1 DesertSage  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:05:37pm

Charge!

2 DesertSage  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:06:02pm

Oops....Change!

3 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:06:21pm
4 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:07:02pm
5 Roentgen  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:08:21pm

Europe and the UK are f*cked.

6 J.D.  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:08:36pm

I just finished reading this before I posted this, where Charles and LGF are mentioned.
Both great articles.

7 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:08:58pm

The British accent will not exist in a hundred years.

8 Ma Sands  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:09:39pm

re: #2 DesertSage

Ah, how electrifying was that first cry, though! :)

9 JohnnyReb  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:10:01pm

It is too late for our British friends. You need to leave now, 1/3 today and within 10 years 1/2. You are gonna be outnumbered big time very soon.

10 Roentgen  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:10:04pm

"...intellectuals of the self-hating variety." Read: liberals.

11 Mich-again  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:10:05pm
One consequence, however, is that little attempt has been made to question what attachment Britain’s immigrants have to the traditions and institutions of their new home.

Umm, save yourself the effort and let me answer that one. None except for the part about welfare checks.

12 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:10:51pm

I read this one this morning.

Dalrymple is one of the best essayists writing today.

13 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:10:51pm
14 EC Marm  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:11:40pm

OT
Tammy Bruce was just on FNC saying that Hillary should launch an independent run. Yes!

15 Roentgen  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:11:49pm

"...welcome the destruction of the national identity." Read: liberals.

16 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:12:09pm

I was actually able to read the whole thing. Normally try to get the meat out the first paragraph. I'm pretty ADD (if you hadn't guessed).

17 thesavagenation  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:12:30pm

What a shame. Whites, the only people not allowed to have their own homeland. Hard times coming in the future. Lets hope that the people who are inheriting the West treat the Whites better than the Whites treated them in the past.

18 sparrowlake  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:13:14pm

Why can't we still have lots of immigration - just not from Islamic countries?

19 Roentgen  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:13:23pm

re: #16 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I was actually able to read the whole thing. Normally try to get the meat out the first paragraph. I'm pretty ADD (if you hadn't guessed).

ADD BASTARD VEGETARIAN?

20 markx  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:13:31pm

Too late for the UK.

/God did not save the Queen

21 Ma Sands  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:13:44pm

re: #16 F B Vegetarian

No, I hadn't -- I'd always thought everything you posted was carefully planned, to be all over the map.....


/ :)

22 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:13:48pm

Oh gosh, threads are changing like, uh...quickly changing threads.

23 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:14:43pm

BTW, Caliphate is scaring the shite out of me.

24 MarkX  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:15:24pm

re: #22 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh gosh, threads are changing like, uh...quickly changing threads.

Yeah, I hate it when Charles has a thread flush.

25 thesavagenation  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:15:31pm

Never seen such a group of people committed to national suicide. Lets hope the East Asians are strong enough to lead the world in the right direction as the torch is passed to them.

26 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:16:36pm

re: #24 MarkX

Yeah, I hate it when Charles has a thread flush.

So,

that's

what it's called.

27 nyc redneck  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:16:53pm

one third of london's residents are born outside of britian.
that's a nice category to start checking for militants and jihadis to deport. now.
clean up the nest. they have no right to foul it.

28 Roentgen  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:17:45pm

re: #24 MarkX

Yeah, I hate it when Charles has a thread flush.

I'm a thread-jumping whore.

29 MarkX  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:18:24pm

re: #28 Roentgen

I'm a thread-jumping whore.

I can't jump that fast.

30 Cicero05  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:18:35pm
...and that too strong an emphasis on national identity has in the past led to barbarism.

The standard Liberal playbook: Pride in Western culture is the slippery slope to goose-stepping Nazis overrunning the planet. Therefore, for hankie-wringing intellectuals, any culture is to be celebrated as long as it has a strong anti-Western component to it. This is why lefties in places like Britain and the U.S. won't criticize the primitive cultures in their midst, like islamic ones.

31 DobermanBoston  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:20:38pm

Do that Urdu that you do so well!

32 norar  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:20:58pm
too strong an emphasis on national identity has in the past led to barbarism

Right so Brits sticking to their national identity in Britain might lead to barbarism. Where the "the newcomers .. from Pakistan, India, and Africa; ... from Eastern Europe and China" would lead then? To bright future?

33 J.D.  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:21:09pm

re: #1 DesertSage

Charge!

Charge works just fine.


David Mendell's Obama: From Promise To Power, page 144:

He and Michelle were living a middle- to upper-middle-class, white collar existence, going home to a spacious town house in Hyde Park and employing a caregiver to help with child care. But despite their combined incomes, which topped $250,000 a year, Obama had personal debt. He had maxed out his credit card, partly on campaign expenses, and the couple were both repaying student loans from Harvard. ...


How Did the Obamas Accumulate That Debt Again?

34 dominic yeso  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:21:48pm

Over the next 30 years or so I'm sure that we'll have lots of British Nationals trying to come here to escape the results of their stupidity. The question is how do we relocate of some of the west's greatest treasures (HMS Victory, Magna Carta, etc) here and yet keep the people who enabled Britain's self destruction out?

35 quickjustice  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:23:29pm

I've heard Darymple speak in NYC. He despises Blair, whom he says has pulled the wool over the eyes of credulous Americans. He's also written extensively about the banlieus in France, and the terrible problems they pose.

Although there are fewer Muslims in Britain than in France, the Brits have been accomplices in their own cultural destruction. Without a national awakening in defense of the best of British culture and tradition, they're multicultural toast.

I don't see it happening. I do see many British immigrants migrating here to escape the issue entirely. I hope we can accomodate them!

36 stevieray  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:25:42pm

Freedom and prosperity are the products of culture and tradition far more than they are the products of laws and constitutions. The anti-Western cultural Marxists figured that out damn near a century ago, and set out to undermine the culture and traditions of the West. They have been aided and abetted every step along the way by guilt-ridden Western leftists and novelty-seeking transgressive artistes... their job is almost complete.

The massive wealth redistribution plans and oppressive police-state tactics necessary to keep a modicum of peace in the cities of Europe and America will destroy any remaining vestiges of liberty; indeed, when the crime rate soars high enough, the natives will demand more intrusion into their lives and their wallets by the state. Liberty has always been the enemy of the left, and now the people will voluntarily give theirs away for the sweet promise of peace and harmony... a promise the left has no ability nor intention to deliver.

We've been lied to, and we are only now realizing the extent of the problems. Fixing this is gonna be difficult.

37 Roentgen  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:29:50pm

re: #35 quickjustice

I've heard Darymple speak in NYC. He despises Blair, whom he says has pulled the wool over the eyes of credulous Americans. He's also written extensively about the banlieus in France, and the terrible problems they pose.

Although there are fewer Muslims in Britain than in France, the Brits have been accomplices in their own cultural destruction. Without a national awakening in defense of the best of British culture and tradition, they're multicultural toast.

I don't see it happening. I do see many British immigrants migrating here to escape the issue entirely. I hope we can accomodate them!

I agree. The French, as we know, have a very defined and palpable national identity. There is even a government office dedicated to keeping French things French (and trying to fend off the inexorable integration of English into their language). So I speculate that over time, these things will help them through this challenge. But to quote my post above, "they are f*cked."

38 Tigger2005  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:30:37pm

What is James Bond doing about this?

39 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:30:53pm

Socialism begets uncontrolled immigration, which begets cultural chaos, which begets hatred, which begets bloodshed. That's where Britain is headed.

40 itellu3times  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:34:37pm

I dunno. The US has always been the melting pot, no reason it can't work for Britain. Life in Los Angeles has always been like that, no line at a westside supermarket is complete without English, Spanish, Farsi, Armenian, Russian, Chinese, Hindi, a couple of EU languages, more Spanish, and some random other languages and dialects, Vietnamese, Tagalog, ... can be very amusing evesdropping and trying to figure out wtf they are speaking, much less wtf they are saying.

41 stevieray  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:44:26pm

re: #40 itellu3times

I dunno. The US has always been the melting pot, no reason it can't work for Britain. Life in Los Angeles has always been like that, no line at a westside supermarket is complete without English, Spanish, Farsi, Armenian, Russian, Chinese, Hindi, a couple of EU languages, more Spanish, and some random other languages and dialects, Vietnamese, Tagalog, ... can be very amusing evesdropping and trying to figure out wtf they are speaking, much less wtf they are saying.

The melting pot idea is built upon assimilation, not multiculturalism. The new were expected to learn how to be Americans, and overwhelmingly, they did. The idea that a peaceful and prosperous society can exist where there are literally hundreds of differing moral codes and cultural do's and don'ts is nonsense -- the outcome will be a fractured, suspicious community; a community where the population divides itself into small homogenous enclaves to minimize intercultural friction and the ensuing aggravation it would bring.

For evidence, I offer one of the only academic research papers on the real-world impact of mass immigration and multiculturalism: Bowling With Our Own.

42 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:46:33pm

re: #23 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

BTW, Caliphate is scaring the shite out of me.

Good ain't it. LOL

43 psyop  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:50:39pm

The ethos and intent of multiculturalism is extremely damaging to any sovereign nation. It is wholly dissimilar to the induction into, and the eventual assimilation of peoples from around the world...

It is one thing to wish to be a part of a successful and tolerant system that betters everyone, and quite another to move somewhere without adapting the fundamental aspects of the society that made it so successful and tolerant.

In other words, if the country you came from sucks, and that is why you came to America, perhaps, just perhaps, you could dispense the the habits of the mother country and try Americas way.

It works, it really does.

44 Silhouette  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:51:28pm

re: #41 stevieray

The melting pot idea is built upon assimilation, not multiculturalism. The new were expected to learn how to be Americans, and overwhelmingly, they did. The idea that a peaceful and prosperous society can exist where there are literally hundreds of differing moral codes and cultural do's and don'ts is nonsense -- the outcome will be a fractured, suspicious community;

Thanks.

Now I can erase the rather long response I had that tried to say the same thing, but didn't no matter how I kept editing.

45 psyop  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:54:44pm

re: #44 Silhouette

Thanks.

Now I can erase the rather long response I had that tried to say the same thing, but didn't no matter how I kept editing.

Unfortunately, I didn't read his response before I posted mine. Would have saved me some typing.

46 stevieray  Tue, May 27, 2008 6:00:18pm

re: #44 Silhouette

re: #45 psyop

Go ahead... post 'em! The more, the merrier! Every lizard brings their own unique take to every issue, and we end up giving each other new perspectives to consider.

47 psyop  Tue, May 27, 2008 6:08:37pm

re: #46 stevieray

re: #45 psyop

Go ahead... post 'em! The more, the merrier! Every lizard brings their own unique take to every issue, and we end up giving each other new perspectives to consider.

To that I say....

Wo0t!1!1!

48 Intrepid  Tue, May 27, 2008 6:17:05pm

re: #17 thesavagenation

Sorry - which "WHITES" are you talking about?

49 A Kiwi Infidel  Tue, May 27, 2008 6:18:51pm

Desertsage beat me to it, right off the top........

one can add a reticence in openly expressing it. Inducing this hesitancy are intellectuals of the self-hating variety, who welcome the destruction of the national identity and who argue—in part, correctly—that every person’s identity is multiple; that identity can and ought to CHANGE over time; and that too strong an emphasis on national identity has in the past led to barbarism.

There's that word, again. If you disagree, then change or else......

50 UncleSam  Tue, May 27, 2008 6:29:15pm

I sent in my vote-by-mail ballot today, and it was in both Spanish and English.
Infuriating.
You can't be fully informed on issues if you only speak Spanish in America.
The left wants this because they control the Spanish-speaking news outlets.
And, this enables voting by illegals.
That's how the Dems have maintained power in California.

51 pbird  Tue, May 27, 2008 6:32:40pm

Going to visit England and the continent soon, getting kind of worried.

52 rorschach  Tue, May 27, 2008 7:11:21pm

In '39, Britain's perfidious government nearly signed her death warrant.

This time, they may have succeeded.

Thank God the music of the Isles has migrated west for safekeeping.

53 lostlakehiker  Tue, May 27, 2008 7:31:21pm

Dalrymple is the soul of reason and perception. We do have a few giants among us.

54 gman  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:21:21pm

re: #41 stevieray

The melting pot idea is built upon assimilation, not multiculturalism. The new were expected to learn how to be Americans, and overwhelmingly, they did. The idea that a peaceful and prosperous society can exist where there are literally hundreds of differing moral codes and cultural do's and don'ts is nonsense -- the outcome will be a fractured, suspicious community; a community where the population divides itself into small homogenous enclaves to minimize intercultural friction and the ensuing aggravation it would bring.

For evidence, I offer one of the only academic research papers on the real-world impact of mass immigration and multiculturalism: Bowling With Our Own.

I just wanted to add something to your excellent comment:

The way we go about expecting immigrants to learn how to be an American is by respecting their right to be independent and find a job, and in doing so, they become vested into our system.

We don't treat them like fragile ,overgrown babies that cannot take care of themselves, sequestering them in certain parts of a city (the crib), and smothering them with goodies to keep them from crying (the pacifier).

It's the soft bigotry of lowered expectations.

55 gman  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:25:25pm
By reiteration, they have insinuated a sense of guilt into everyone’s mind, so that even to doubt the wisdom or viability of a society consisting of myriad ethnic and religious groups with no mutual sympathy (and often with mutual antagonisms) is to suspect oneself of sliding toward extreme nationalism or fascism; so that even to doubt the wisdom or viability of a society in which everyone feels himself part of an oppressed minority puts one in the same category as Jean-Marie Le Pen, or worse.

Time for Britain to get its own version of LGF.

First and most important ingredient in the process of creating above said Internet Website:

No Fascists Allowed

56 the_flying_pig  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:29:52pm

The PC-conditioned Londoners are doing everything they can do to coddle and appease those foreign-born immigrants too kindly and shaming and scolding native English folks and Welshmen for "insensitivity", "racism" and "Islamophobia".

Day after day, the anti-immigration position of the BNP is becoming more justified.

57 the_flying_pig  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:34:06pm

re: #50 UncleSam

Anytime you see those kind of form or document with English and Spanish language, fill out everything out in English and just black-marker out the Spanish parts and send it to whoever sent you that form.

They'll get the message.

58 gman  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:39:53pm

re: #56 the_flying_pig

The PC-conditioned Londoners are doing everything they can do to coddle and appease those foreign-born immigrants too kindly and shaming and scolding native English folks and Welshmen for "insensitivity", "racism" and "Islamophobia".

Day after day, the anti-immigration position of the BNP is becoming more justified.

You don't want to go there. The BNP are a bunch of white supremacists

Here's the BNP immigration solution(from their website):

On current demographic trends, we, the native British people, will be an ethnic minority in our own country within sixty years. To ensure that this does not happen, and that the British people retain their homeland and identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants, and the introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question. We will abolish the ‘positive discrimination’ schemes that have made white Britons second-class citizens. We will also clamp down on the flood of ‘asylum seekers’, all of whom are either bogus or can find refuge much nearer their home countries.

That means no more immigration period. Think about it. They're not making any sense.

Who gets to define what "native British people" means? The BNP does, and how much do you want to bet that's doublespeak for "people of the lighter skin color persuasion".

59 BLBfootballs  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:45:23pm

I suggest that much of the West's conflict with Islamism will be decided in the policymaking offices of our immigration services. And those policies will be determined based on how much attachment we have to our national cultures. If the pride is absent then unbridled immigration will be viewed as either meaningless or positive, and therefore not worth opposing.

60 profitsbeard  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:17:05pm

How strange...

The Beatles unconsciously predicted the entire disaster to Britain in their pop film "HELP!".

And everyone laughed at the surreal implausibility of such slapstick silliness:

People from an alien cult trying to force a cruel ideology upon England with intimidating terror.

What a farcical concept!

Forty years ago, it was.

But Art predicts what the id inflicts.

England has become HELP!

61 UncleSam  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:17:50pm

re: #57 the_flying_pig

Anytime you see those kind of form or document with English and Spanish language, fill out everything out in English and just black-marker out the Spanish parts and send it to whoever sent you that form.

They'll get the message.

Interesting idea.

62 Joan Not of Arc  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:18:12pm

There should be no reason why an immigrant or a second-generation citizen has trouble with the official language of the land. Hell, there shouldn't be a reason why native speakers have trouble with it. Having another language under your belt is fine. Not being able to adapt yourself to those around you is something else.

63 Artki  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:02:52pm

Assimilation is the difference between immigration and invasion.

64 Spiny Norman  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:05:58pm
London is now the most ethnically diverse city in the world—more so, according to United Nations reports, even than New York...

A third of London’s residents were born outside Britain, a higher percentage of newcomers than in any other city in the world except Miami...

re: #4 song_and_dance_man

Miami? I would have guessed Los Angeles.

Apparently Dalrymple has never been to Los Angeles. There are over 200 languages spoken in the City of Angels, and if one includes the illegal immigrants, way more than a third were born outside the US.

65 Uncle Joe  Wed, May 28, 2008 12:43:47am

It's disappointing to see so few comments about the critically important ideas in this article while there's the usual several hundred comments about the regular, plain-vanilla idiocy at the Daily Kos.

66 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, May 28, 2008 1:59:48am
67 Annar  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:11:37am

re: #7 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The British accent will not exist in a hundred years.

They will be speaking and praying in Arabic with a faint brogue.

68 quickjustice  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:48:12am

The Celts in England were overrun by the Saxons, who in turn were overrun by the Normans. Doomsday Book, the White Tower, and Windsor Castle, anyone?

What's surprising is how easily the Brits are rolling over for the death of their Anglo-Saxon culture, soon to be replaced with Islam. They're going out not with a bang, but with a whimper.

69 Kalak  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:53:03am

The passing of cricket games with the crack of bat and leather on a balmy summer day while older sorts watch with their picnic lunches.

The extinction of small shire-like villages with a church and a vicar whom everyone in the village knows.

The loss of Sunday roasts, afternoon tea, and myriad other things.

Lord Nelson's HMS Victory left to crumble as irrelevant to the new Britons, Lord Brunel's SS Great Britain sold for scrap to fund the welfare state.

But...plenty of honor killings, even more people taking a pee in the street even when not drunk, and five-times daily calls to prayer in crackling blares from all the old village churches converted to mosques. And, of course, the charming evening reports of carbombs.

70 Kalak  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:56:08am

re: #40 itellu3times

A melting pot works only if people assimilate. What we have now is a Balkanization of insular tribes.

71 wishbone  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:12:33am

re: #51 pbird

Going to visit England and the continent soon, getting kind of worried.

I wouldn't be too worried, mate. If you choose to wallow in the same ignorance as the usual 'Britain is doomed' bunch, then you'll never see the place. We have our problems, certainly, but the picture that lot paint has me, in turns, banging my head against the wall in amazed despair, or pissing my pants with laughter at just how fantastically paranoid they can get on the basis of what seems to be zero experience.

Come on over. Enjoy yourself. Try the fish and chips.... They really are as bland as you'd heard.

72 gutneshama  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:10:36am

If London is the most ethinically diverse in Europe, then Toronto has to be in North America. I do not believe that it's New York. Ride the subway and bus here, walk the streets, go to the shopping malls, Exhibition, Zoo, etc.... you would be hard-pressed to find one in 10 whites.

73 Kalak  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:18:36am

re: #71 wishbone
Come on over. Enjoy yourself. Try the fish and chips.... They really are as bland as you'd heard.

That's what salt, vinegar and HP sauce are for.

74 Colin Nelson  Wed, May 28, 2008 12:08:27pm

Dalrymple puts his finger on it as usual.

He sees a solution to the multicultural issue in a combination of French cultural robustness combined with British economic flexibility.

From this comes, "... the American ideal of the melting pot, in fact, which relied (and, to some degree, relies still) on a clear idea of what it means to be an American, combined with economic openness."

75 Uncle Joe  Wed, May 28, 2008 2:54:41pm

re: #66 ploome hineni

and what did you have to say about that?

Kos/McCain post - 670 comments
Dalrymple post - 70+ comments

That's a problem. I'm calling attention to it and your only response is a nitiwit "tag you're it! neener, neener!" response. Good work, Einstein. It does serve to explain my observation, unfortunately.

76 kvinay  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:25:17pm

The only mofos who refuse to assimilate are the ****** .

77 kvinay  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:27:00pm

Uk should ban pakistan and people from other islamic countries into their country,.Period....

78 Marian - CZ  Thu, May 29, 2008 2:28:35am

In recent years, a lot of Polish people arrived to the UK. Now, Poles love pork and alcohol, and most recent migrants prefer cheaper housing.

In this way, more than one Pakistani neighbourhood suddenly found itself being invaded by infidels. There were some attempts to reverse this trend by the usual 'youth' gangs, but that failed spectacularly, since Polish blue-collar workers have never heard of political correctness, and still possess that healthy instinct to fight back when attacked, often in groups. And if such a group is not sober, the instinct works yet better. So, no challenges from 'youths' to Poles anymore.

Things have developed to such a degree that some pragmatic Muslim shopkeepers regularly sell vodka and kielbasa to the Polish newcomers. Nice to see such a "reverse development" (though the Polish are probably not there to stay).

Some advice to the British: drop your noble pretense and learn something from the Poles.


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