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HuffPo Supporting the Troops Again

Tue, May 27, 2008 at 5:11:54 pm PDT

The lovely denizens of Huffington Post are having an orgy of troop-bashing, in the comments for an article about the ludicrous claims of the “Winter Soldier” rerun crowd: Iraq Soldier Discusses His ‘Kills’ (VIDEO) - Politics on The Huffington Post.

Prediction: they’ll close the comments for this one. I’m surprised they didn’t see this coming; they usually close comments preemptively on subjects like this because they know what will happen—this.

Watching and listening to this video made me physically ill. To think that my tax dollars have paid for someone to talk about “kills” as if he’s referring to deer, squirrels, birds, or some other animal is disgusting. IOW—-these soldiers think of other human beings as animals. We have dehumanized the Iraqis and others the Republicans have deemed to be “enemies”. I weep for my disintegrating country. We are no longer living in the USA, as there is nothing united about the states of america.

We are not united. We are divided——those who support this unholy war against those who are againist it.

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May God send this country and its people their just rewards. This country is built on other people’s refuse, other people’s criminals. They didn“t teach you in school about ”indentured servitude“; this is how the UK emptied its prisons. In the South of the US the white population is predominantly Irish, Scottish riffraff, low life, criminals, racist Goobers.

Let me remind you: ”Give me your tired, your poor ...Your huddled masses... The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.... Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me". And they sure sent them here!!

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They were trained to be killers, that is what they do, many video’s are out on sites that show tiny babies mutilated by our men. Many stories, it is what Bush, Cheney wanted, that is how they are trained as are the Latino’s they are training in Georgia for Bush right now, killers, that is why 1800 a month are trying to commit suicide, they cannot live with what they have seen or maybe have done, very sad. Bush has his people do his mass murders for him, he tortured frogs when a young child and we know the profile of a serial killer always tortures animals when young, so now Bush has it all ways, frogs, our young men,the Iraq people,Gitmo, when will people stop him by Impeach.org

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to invade, occupy, and murder innocent people has become an art form for our all volunteer military.

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This is repulsive. Individuals are ultimately responsible for their actions. While i applaud those that step forward to tell the truth, is it really a surprise to anyone? Abu Ghraib was only a preview of what was to come, not an anomaly.

The time to remove the halo and silence the hero worship rhetoric has long passed. We are funding genocide with every tax dollar we pay.

Shame on the US.

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In order to stop this war, and any future American Wars of Aggression, those considering enlisting in the armed forces need to be stopped before they sign on the dotted line. They need to be shown that this is a choice with extreme consequences; that they will come home changed for the worse, physically, mentally or both; they need to be shown that patriotism, bravado, the youthful myth of immortality and the promise of $50,000 will not save them; they need to be shown that wars of aggression are NOT noble causes and that those who“give” their lives are not doing so for their country but for the greed of a few men in government and corporations.

Those who have come back from Iraq have learned all of the above the hard way. No one needs to follow in their footsteps. No one, given the chance, would choose to come back forgotten by their government and damaged for life - which is what happens when you fight to defend a lie instead of your country. Those in our government who sent these men and women off under the false banner of patriotism should be held accountable for their thoughtless and selfish actions.

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And you wonder why US soldiers are being blown up on a daily basis, justify the means and keep killing innocent Iraqi civilians...

On and on it goes. This is just from the first page.

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1 JammieWearingFool  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:13:51pm

Should be a pleasant election season.

2 JohnnyReb  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:15:04pm

I am going to call shenanigans on this video. No one in the US military says they are an "automatic machine gunner."

3 Roentgen  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:15:56pm

They support the troops, except when they don't.

4 irongrampa  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:15:59pm

I just wish the left would take their "support" for our troops and SHOVE it until they CHOKE on it.

5 conservativeChick  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:16:50pm

The moonbats are all coming out of the woodwork big time in this election.

6 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:17:13pm
7 Alouette  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:17:17pm

This "people" (and I use the term with extreme generosity) make me want to puke.

8 nextstopmars  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:17:43pm

These HuffPo types need halp. They're stuck on moonbat.

9 Killian Bundy  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:18:42pm
Comments 101
Pending Comments 193

/so, they're vetted?

10 Elcid  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:19:33pm
these soldiers think of other human beings as animals.

The ones we fight today ARE animals, asshat!

11 WhiteRasta  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:19:38pm

They are the enemy and they should be killed.......

12 Killian Bundy  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:19:47pm

re: #6 song_and_dance_man

She is a bumbling ingrate asshat.

/dumped for another man

13 MandyManners  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:20:15pm

re: #7 Alouette

This "people" (and I use the term with extreme generosity) make me want to puke.

I'm regretting the extra helping of meat loaf I had for dinner.

14 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:20:21pm
15 Mich-again  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:20:28pm

When all your tools are hammers, all your problems look like nails.

16 Roentgen  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:21:18pm

There, I fixed it:

to invade, occupy, and murder innocent dangerous, evil people has become an art form for our all volunteer military

17 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:21:32pm

re: #13 MandyManners

I miss meatloaf. So anyway the first time I ever saw Arianna was on Mahr. Arguing for the right. Guess what? Didn't like her then.

18 DesertSage  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:21:33pm

re: #14 song_and_dance_man

If absurdity were taxable Huffpo would be bankrupt.

Yeah, but the government would be in the black.

19 Killian Bundy  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:22:06pm

Can't we have a war where everyone just gets along?

/without all the evil weapons and everything

20 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:22:07pm
21 WhiteRasta  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:22:13pm

re: #12 Killian Bundy

Dude, if I were married to that Harridan, I'd turn gay, too.

22 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:22:36pm

re: #15 Mich-again

When all your tools are hammers, all your problems look like nails.

Smothers Brothers line...
"Give a child a hammer, and the whole world becomes a nail".

That really stuck with me. Now I know why.

23 RedSoxNation  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:24:04pm

This sounds just like the John Kerry testimony where it will eventually turn out to be untrue or greatly out of context. I really have to question whether an officer would dangle a four day pass to anyone who kills someone with a knife...I wonder if these guys "testifying" realize that they are, in essence, admitting to committing serious crimes that carry very serious consequences. This is very sad to see...

24 JeremyR  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:24:15pm

re: #2 JohnnyReb

I am going to call shenanigans on this video. No one in the US military says they are an "automatic machine gunner."

I'm on dial up so I don't check most vids. I cannot recall anyone useing that term during my short tenure in the army, although the term automatic rifleman was used prior to the introduction of the SAW and M-16 A2 to designate the guy who did supressive fire on rock&roll.

25 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:24:57pm

When you read these comments from the 60s media-conformists, please remember that this arrogant, leaden pretense of morality is aimed at one thing: Empowering terrorists and totalitarians.

26 ethanxxx  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:25:00pm

Well, I was happy to hear the first blogger state that he was feeling ill. GOOD!
Father forgive me for I have sinned. I find great comfort in the discomfort of my enemy.

27 jamgarr  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:26:58pm

Let me be clear - I am against those who are against it.

/dumbass

28 troonbop  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:27:02pm

There's a droning automatic quality to a lot of this drooling. After eight years of BDS they just spew it out, adding a few details every time.

29 Milk Toast Intolerant  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:28:23pm

They were trained to be killers, that is what they do, many video’s are out on sites that show tiny babies mutilated by our men.

Hey, HuffPo Idiots,

Does this soldier look like he killed this little child?

There are hundreds of thousands of soldiers like Major Mark Bieger who have put their lives on the line to protect these precious little ones. In lying about our men and women in uniform, you have fueled the hatred against our troops from the murderous head-chopping Islamic savages who would not think twice about blowing up a street full of Iraqi children.

30 kynna  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:29:06pm

When a bag of hammers beats your SAT score, you take refuge on the HuffPo. It's a nice place to feel good about yourself.

31 dmh0667  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:30:48pm

Hilarious stuff! One-third want to kill Bush, one-third want to hang these "soldiers" for confessing their "crimes" (an ironic turn in this, if ever I heard one!), and another third apparently are conservative provacateurs who are being ignored.

32 Silhouette  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:31:10pm

On the victim-villain scale, they are back to seeing troops as villain, I see.

33 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:32:55pm
34 jamsler  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:33:29pm

Yes huffmoron, I'm sure that all soldiers in all prior wars considered their enemy as full human beings as they shot at them.
These loons wailing about about our soldiers being killers plainly don't understand that that's how you survive a war. By killing before being killed. And taking the humanity of the enemy into consideration before a firefight is insane. If you managed to avoid being killed outright, you might actually feel depression when you got home. It's a safety mechanism built into the human psyche. The disconnect from reality that these people show is truly frightening. I pray that most people aren't this out of touch; That these are just a small yet loud minority. I have a bad feeling though, that our schools are pumping out these twits, indoctrinated to be sheep for a slaughter. It's a dark vision.

35 Roentgen  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:33:31pm

re: #28 troonbop

There's a droning automatic quality to a lot of this drooling. After eight years of BDS they just spew it out, adding a few details every time.

I might be catching a case of BDS myself--the Barack strain.

36 Shay4l  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:34:16pm

I wish I hadn't read that so soon after eating

37 Shaky Louie  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:38:32pm

Don't forget their battle cry: "Dissent whining, sniveling and lying is patriotic", so don't dare question their motivation, or their patriotism! These brave young people!
/ /

38 Dr. Shalit  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:43:17pm

re: #8 nextstopmars

These HuffPo types need halp. They're stuck on moonbat.

Exactly -

This is the US Armed Forces we are talking about. Ya know, the one that prosecutes is members for not following R.O.E.'s. Sends them to the brig too if convicted. Huffin' Puffers - get with the program. Suicides among the US Military are less than their counterparts, by age, or sex in the general population. Also, believe that within the last 24 hours it was safer to be in Baghdad for US Personnel than to be in Manhattan.
Yes, WAR SUCKS, I will say so too. SLAVERY SUCKS WORSE, never forget that. About 650,000 combatants died in 1861 - 65 to make that so. I will not and never be a SLAVE to an "Emir" or a "Caliph" or "Ayatollah" whether COCKAMAMIE or not.
That is all.

-S-

39 Gumby  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:45:26pm

Soldiers are trained killers? Who'duh thunk it?

MSgt, USAF (RET) '69-'92

40 Edouard  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:45:30pm

Whenever Arianna the Smug does a talking-head segment on TV, she needs to be confronted by lovely comments such as these by the ideological fellow-travelers on her site, who always find a way to plumb ever more offensive depths of depravity.

41 joecitizen  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:46:26pm

re: #33 song_and_dance_man

For someone who doesn't like fighting they are making a good go at it.

except their 'fighting' is a pale imitation of what it takes to remain free and relatively safe..these kinda fools lay down and curl up just about the time that the 'fight' moves beyond empty rhetoric and ad hominem attacks against their betters..

42 jamsler  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:47:02pm

"They were trained to be killers, that is what they do, many video’s are out on sites that show tiny babies mutilated by our men."

Those misplaced apostrophes really show off your brainpower! Nothing highlights your keen insight like the inability to apply grammar-school punctuation.

Illiterate and irrational. Learn to punctuate, moonbat.

Who do you think produces these videos? Our enemy produces them, of course! Did you ever hear of propaganda? Get a clue, you gullible, slanderous nincompoop. Even as compost you would be a failure.

Misplaced apostrophes really piss me off.

43 The Other Les  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:48:25pm

re: #2 JohnnyReb

I am going to call shenanigans on this video. No one in the US military says they are an "automatic machine gunner."

As a former Eleven-Bravo (Combat Rifleman) I'm going to have to agree.

44 rightwinger3  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:49:07pm

re: #23 RedSoxNation

This sounds just like the John Kerry testimony where it will eventually turn out to be untrue or greatly out of context. I really have to question whether an officer would dangle a four day pass to anyone who kills someone with a knife...I wonder if these guys "testifying" realize that they are, in essence, admitting to committing serious crimes that carry very serious consequences. This is very sad to see...

I have to question this. Marines don't call a four day pass a "four day pass". In my 22 years all I ever called it, and all I ever heard it called, was a "96". This guy almost pulls it off but not quite, lying sack of shit.

45 Gumby  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:49:21pm

re: #42 jamsler

Their's a lot of illiteration that pisses me off too!

46 Merovign  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:49:30pm

We were about on schedule for another case of severe "Wintersoldieritis," weren't we.

Been a while since we heard from Jesse MacBeth.

I especially like the part where they dehumanize their neighbors by accusing them of mindlessly and brutally dehumanizing their enemies. Good times.

47 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:51:05pm
48 docremulac  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:51:57pm

Oh pu-lease! These leftists are the most bloodthirsty war mongers on the face of the earth when it comes to their side (communists or their new islamofascist allies) doing the killing.

One great example of this was an old liberal Vietnam documentary I saw discussing both sides using fragmentation anti personnel devices, (bombs with little metal pellets). The documentation of the Vietcong's use of these devices showed the villagers putting them together and praised how industrious and resourceful they were and how the women and children all joined in like it was basket-weaving around the campfire. Then it showed the horrific wounds caused by the American fragmentation devices (the bad ones) with shots of surgeons removing the evil America bomb pellets from innocent flesh, spooky music, etc etc.

Don't let these pigs fool you. They're bloodthirsty war mongers through and through. Remember, their bible, the Communist Manifesto is a manual for war and conquest, just like the koran.

49 Gumby  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:52:45pm

re: #43 The Other Les

As a former Eleven-Bravo (Combat Rifleman) I'm going to have to agree.

Couldn't he be a manual machine gunner?

50 sparrowlake  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:55:22pm

Look at all the hate there is in Arianna
Then take a look around you at Barak Obama
Barry hides the truth, he knows no regulation
And uncles alone don't bring Auschwitz liberation
His whole damn campaign is just too frustratin'
And he sells dems, over and over and over again my friend,
Yet theu won't believe we're on the eve of destruction.

51 PloniAlmoni  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:55:26pm

If this former soldier confessed to killing innocent civilians, then why is he not arrested? Maybe it's just me, but I don't get how just because this one guy said he did all these horrible things, this makes the all soldiers bad?

52 nyc redneck  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:56:27pm

these anti-american assh*les, who demean the troops, are cowards.
they could never serve.
that's why they malign the military rather than step forward and join the patriots who defend our country.
(cowardice is ugly)

53 sparrowlake  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:56:51pm

they - PIMF

54 joecitizen  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:57:05pm

re: #47 song_and_dance_man

Tis' true. And ironically they rely on a freedom that is granted and ignore the circumstance of its purchase


heh yes..in spite of the fascictbushdictatorship they have been living under all these years...

55 Silhouette  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:57:21pm

re: #51 PloniAlmoni

If this former soldier confessed to killing innocent civilians, then why is he not arrested? Maybe it's just me, but I don't get how just because this one guy said he did all these horrible things, this makes the all soldiers bad?

They are convinced that the hundreds of thousands of other troops are doing the same thing, only they won't admit it, or are afraid of Bush et al.

56 The Other Les  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:58:08pm

re: #49 Gumby

It's basically a case of getting the techobabble wrong.

If you really want an example of bad military technobabble watch the mission planning scene in THE DOGS OF WAR.

57 psyop  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:58:49pm

re: #2 JohnnyReb

I am going to call shenanigans on this video. No one in the US military says they are an "automatic machine gunner."

Yes, one would typically identify with the type of weapon they deployed.

Such as: I was a SAW gunner.

Or: I was a 60 gunner.

Or something along those lines.

58 jamsler  Tue, May 27, 2008 5:59:11pm

re: #45 Gumby

Ow! it burns! it burrrns!

59 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 6:01:08pm
60 gop_patriot  Tue, May 27, 2008 6:02:00pm

I feel the need to post this again:

So how does it feel to know that someones kid in the heart of america
Has blood on their hands, fighting to defend your rights
So you can maintain the lifestyle that insults his family's existance
Well, where I'm from we have a special salute we aim high in the air
Towards all those pompous assholes who spend their days pointing fingers

Fuck you

61 joecitizen  Tue, May 27, 2008 6:04:07pm

re: #59 song_and_dance_man

No hard feelings about last night? Peace bro... we are on the same side for a substantial part of the truth.

/hive five


I'm with ya,man...btw,heard today that an old girly o mine passed away from brain cancer at 42 effin years old..puts the slight flame war we had last night in a kinda perspective,no?

62 gop_patriot  Tue, May 27, 2008 6:08:40pm

re: #61 joecitizen

Joe, I'm sorry to hear that. How awful. :(
My prayers are with her family.

63 right_on_target  Tue, May 27, 2008 6:11:21pm

re: #44 rightwinger3

A 4-Day pass ? They give that out now? I remember 3-day passes in the Army, if you wanted more then you had to take leave time.
Anyway, where does a person in Iraq or Afghanistan go on a 4-Day?

64 Tarkus289  Tue, May 27, 2008 6:11:40pm

re: #50 sparrowlake

Very good, I always liked that song.

65 joecitizen  Tue, May 27, 2008 6:11:52pm

re: #62 gop_patriot

Joe, I'm sorry to hear that. How awful. :(
My prayers are with her family.


ty gop..she was a good soul...

66 LeonidasOfSparta  Tue, May 27, 2008 6:12:51pm

It has been purported as a truth, that the middle "finger" gesture was first used by the English in the 1300's who created the gesture when in battle with the Fwench.

When the English longbow, made out of Yew, decimated the French in battle, the goal of the French became to capture as many longbowman as possible and cut off their middle finger since that was their bow PLUCKING finger.

As a moral-busting counter-measure, however, the English bowmen who had not been caught by the French would raise that middle finger in the air in a sort of 1300's victory dance, and yell YEW PLUCKER!

and thus began the ceremony.

67 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, May 27, 2008 6:18:53pm

re: #43 The Other Les

As a former Eleven-Bravo (Combat Rifleman) I'm going to have to agree.

M-60 specialist in AF also agree.

68 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, May 27, 2008 6:19:41pm
69 jamsler  Tue, May 27, 2008 6:20:44pm

re: #66 LeonidasOfSparta

In the version I heard, the English said:
"I can still PLUCK YEW!" while middle finger saluting.

70 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, May 27, 2008 6:21:28pm

re: #66 LeonidasOfSparta

It has been purported as a truth, that the middle "finger" gesture was first used by the English in the 1300's who created the gesture when in battle with the Fwench.

When the English longbow, made out of Yew, decimated the French in battle, the goal of the French became to capture as many longbowman as possible and cut off their middle finger since that was their bow PLUCKING finger.

As a moral-busting counter-measure, however, the English bowmen who had not been caught by the French would raise that middle finger in the air in a sort of 1300's victory dance, and yell YEW PLUCKER!

and thus began the ceremony.

Great comic "Crechy" covers that whole story well. On other things the writer suffers from a bit of Moonbattery.

71 Fenboy  Tue, May 27, 2008 6:21:33pm

This is why I don't click on the Daily Kos/Huffington Post links posted here. I don't think my blood pressure could stand it.

72 Nemesis6  Tue, May 27, 2008 6:24:11pm

I remember that video within the video, you know, the one of the tower being shot up. When I saw it, it had the explanation that there was a terrorist sniper firing from it.

73 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, May 27, 2008 6:24:46pm

I have an old friend who has severe BDS. She keeps a blog to vent her frustrations, but hardly anyone ever leaves comments...Perhaps some of you folks might want to leave a comment....(just don't mention me).

Here's her Memorial Day post, which was inspired by an article in the NY Times by Bill Kristol, but has nothing to do with the Kristol article.

74 kevinmumaw  Tue, May 27, 2008 6:25:38pm
I weep for my disintegrating country.

It seems they cry at the drop of a hat. All the melodrama of a 14 year old.

75 irongrampa  Tue, May 27, 2008 6:25:51pm

I mentioned before, I was surprised that this crap took so long to resurface in all it's malignant stridency, an old road traveled for any of us who served during the Viet Nam War.

This time, I'll wager, it aint gonna get much traction in the aftermath of the 1st Gulf War--not THIS war, not THESE troops, NOT THIS TIME.

76 Genosaurer  Tue, May 27, 2008 6:28:47pm

re: #49 Gumby

Couldn't he be a manual machine gunner?

Sure, he was probably using one of these!

77 Steffan  Tue, May 27, 2008 6:35:01pm

It's really too bad for them that they get so worked up over flat out lies told by losers who either have never been in the military in the first place or have never been within a thousand miles of Iraq.

Of course, by the time the lies are debunked, they'll conveniently forget how worked up about them they were....

78 sparrowlake  Tue, May 27, 2008 6:35:20pm

re: #64 Tarkus289

Very good, I always liked that song.

Here ya go.

79 Tarkus289  Tue, May 27, 2008 6:39:06pm

re: #78 sparrowlake

Thanks, I don't really agree with the words but I like the passion. I grew
up with all the hippie music, if you take the politics out of those songs
they become far more desirable.

80 Merovign  Tue, May 27, 2008 6:41:02pm

re: #77 Steffan

Of course, by the time the lies are debunked, they'll conveniently forget how worked up about them they were....

I don't know if I'd take odds on this dude being a fake, but I'd take odds on the left conveniently forgetting it if he was... or continuing to back him for months like they did MacBeth!

81 ChazNOLA  Tue, May 27, 2008 6:41:22pm

@rightwinger3; Johnny Reb; The Other Les

As a former 0311 (2003-2007) this guy doesn't even sound close. Like others above have pointed out, something is just plain wrong about this guy's terminology. He'd be a SAW gunner or an automatic rifleman. And he would never have even heard the words "four day pass" in the Marines it would be called a "96." You guys are right on. No vet could watch this without smelling a rat.

The propagandists who filmed this video don't understand how established our terminology is in the Marine Corps. Not that we go around saying "bulkhead" and "portholes" after bootcamp, but the stress on terminology is still there. Also, not that HuffPo is listening, but if he's in the Corps he's a "Marine," not a "Soldier." The Army has soldiers, the Marine Corps has Marines. My family still has trouble with this. The fact of the matter is, this "Soldier/Marine" probably wasn't either. I'd bet a dollar he's a sociology student at UC Irvine making a propaganda film he thought had to be made.

82 shimauma  Tue, May 27, 2008 6:41:51pm

So when I pray for my MP sister in law in the 304th battalion to be accurate does that make *ME* insensitive?

83 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 27, 2008 6:47:13pm

I believe knowingly lying, by slander, both our service and our servicemen is, or should be a crime. This goes far beyond freedom of speech, as I believe these damaging lies go beyond the freedoms provided by our 1st Amendment. If this Jon Michael Turner were slandering an individual he would be held accountable.

84 sparrowlake  Tue, May 27, 2008 6:51:40pm

re: #79 Tarkus289

Thanks, I don't really agree with the words but I like the passion. I grew
up with all the hippie music, if you take the politics out of those songs
they become far more desirable.

There is nothing wrong with hating war and killing. That is not inconsistent with recognizing the need for war. The day we start to actually love war is the day we become like our enemies.

85 TommyGun  Tue, May 27, 2008 6:53:55pm

re: #63 right_on_target

Yes, some soldiers get the option of leave or a 4 day. Others get both. I don't feel at liberty to say where soldiers go for their R&R.

Anyways...

I may as well introduce myself. I'm TommyGun or TG for short. I am a long time lurker and a first time poster.

Excuse me if I get off topic here and to warn ya's I feel a vent coming on.

As per post #71, I doubt I will ever click on another link that goes to HP. I cannot understand the complete ignorance of some people. An opinion is fine, but I have always felt it should be an educated opinion (hence my not posting until now). The only thing that keeps me from going ballistic is the fact that they are exercising the right to free speech, no matter how unintelligent it is. It gives me job satisfaction. I hope one day they understand how easy they could lose this right by their own power. They better hope people like us don't stop defending not just our rights, but others that wish for democracy as well.

The one thing these kinds of people will never understand is combat. As long as soldiers have to kill, there will always be war stories. It is a way of dealing with something tragic.

I know I am preaching to the choir, but how can some of those posters over there say there are no bad guys or that the enemy is innocent when they do things like rocket or mortar elementary schools, or use kids in car bombs? Innocent my ass!

I agree that our country has a very big problem. The problem is that people will believe whatever drivel they hear. Never mind taking 5 or 10 minutes to search for another side of the story...blah blah blah. I could rant forever, but I'm getting irritated again.

Have a good nite.
TG

86 irongrampa  Tue, May 27, 2008 6:55:14pm

Watched the video, and I'll call bullshit on this .

Someone needs to verify this asswipe's bona fides--anyone here able to do this?

87 Gumby  Tue, May 27, 2008 6:57:53pm

re: #76 Genosaurer

Sure, he was probably using one of these!

Thanks! Being a civil war buff, I really appreciate that link.

88 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, May 27, 2008 7:04:43pm

re: #85 TommyGun

Thank you TG. Your reasoned well chosen words demonstrate a rational being with tremendous ability to control emotions under great stress. Thank you so much for your service.

89 lostlakehiker  Tue, May 27, 2008 7:05:05pm

re: #85 TommyGun

Thanks Tommy.

The original thread claimed that soldiers coming back had "learned all of the above". If so, why the reenlistments? Why don't we see credible testimony of atrocities, stuff with photos and witnesses?

Because HuffPuffers are full of it.

90 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, May 27, 2008 7:15:51pm

I wonder if those sentiments extend to this group of veterans also?

91 alibey  Tue, May 27, 2008 7:18:27pm

re: #43 The Other Les

re: #2 JohnnyReb

I am going to call shenanigans on this video. No one in the US military says they are an "automatic machine gunner."

As a former Eleven-Bravo (Combat Rifleman) I'm going to have to agree.

This Retired Finance NCO also agrees.

92 blue_like_jazz  Tue, May 27, 2008 7:28:35pm

re: #57 psyop

Yes, one would typically identify with the type of weapon they deployed.

Such as: I was a SAW gunner.

Or: I was a 60 gunner.

Or something along those lines.

my hubby, former 11 B in the 82nd, calls "BULLSHIT!" on all of this. without telling him the subject of the thread, i asked him what his job was:

"a 60 gunner!" (ranked, BTW) =)

this video is TOTAL BULLSHIT.

93 Gumby  Tue, May 27, 2008 7:31:28pm

re: #92 blue_like_jazz

my hubby, former 11 B in the 82nd, calls "BULLSHIT!" on all of this. without telling him the subject of the thread, i asked him what his job was:

"a 60 gunner!" (ranked, BTW) =)

this video is TOTAL BULLSHIT.

Joe Goebbels is rolling over in his grave laughing at the amateurish propagandists.....

94 blue_like_jazz  Tue, May 27, 2008 7:35:11pm
May God send this country and its people their just rewards. This country is built on other people’s refuse, other people’s criminals. They didn“t teach you in school about ”indentured servitude“; this is how the UK emptied its prisons. In the South of the US the white population is predominantly Irish, Scottish riffraff, low life, criminals, racist Goobers.

Let me remind you: ”Give me your tired, your poor ...Your huddled masses... The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.... Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me". And they sure sent them here!


ummmm... YOU'RE here, fucktard.

//irony meter pegged

95 ghostcake  Tue, May 27, 2008 7:36:55pm

re: #6 song_and_dance_man


Ariana is fortunate that she is able to provide a forum that blasts the very people that fought and sacrificed for her to do so.

Quoted for truth.

96 Gumby  Tue, May 27, 2008 7:39:17pm

re: #94 blue_like_jazz

ummmm... YOU'RE here, fucktard.

//irony meter pegged

the wretched refuse..... irony IS a bitch.... much like karma.

97 stevieray  Tue, May 27, 2008 7:40:50pm

Sometimes the blindness is overwhelming.

We have dehumanized the Iraqis and others the Republicans have deemed to be “enemies”. I weep for my disintegrating country. We are no longer living in the USA, as there is nothing united about the states of america.

We are not united. We are divided——those who support this unholy war against those who are against it.

This moonbat seems to think America became divided because of the Iraq war.

News flash: The divide in America began in the late sixties, when the left side of the democrat party decided to abandon American style liberalism for Euro style marxism and full bore socialism. Before that time, there was a general agreement on the fundamentals of what it meant to be an American -- self reliance, optimism, material and economic progress, and a practical, not ideological approach to the problems of the day. We may have disagreed about the correct solutions to the problems, but we agreed on the goals -- a strong nation of independent people, secure in their homes and united by a common language and culture.

Your political ancestors abandoned all that. They decided the state must be the guarantor of life's necessities instead of merely offering short-term assistance to the temporarily low; the populace should defer to the "enlightened" opinions of the best and brightest instead of relying on the wisdom of personal experience and common sense; and the political system should be held captive to the unassailable victim status of the "correct", duly approved grievance lobbies.

In short, you have not only inverted all of the values and philosophies that took this nation to the dizzying heights of the mid-century, you have moved so far to the left to have created unbridgeable chasms in the fabric of America... and have no illusions; it was you that changed, not the rest of us. Today's bitter divide is your baby; you fed it and nurtured it in your classrooms and cafes... to now bemoan it is obnoxiously disingenuous. Claim it... its yours. And if you want the nation to heal, begin by healing yourselves. You are the ones that need redemption and reconciliation, not us.

98 USASupport  Tue, May 27, 2008 7:44:57pm

I'd like to know what schools the writer went to...because I learned about indentured servitude in school. Maybe this guy was too busy getting high somewhere instead of in class.

99 gitarfan  Tue, May 27, 2008 7:48:13pm

I found this site and it shows a Jon Michael Turner in Fallujah with a smile on his face. Looks like the same guy. Wonder what the family listed in the website think of this? Scroll down to see him.

[Link: www.give2thetroops.org...]

100 Challenger  Tue, May 27, 2008 7:52:10pm

Wow. What a fockwit. Does any of this check out? Why isn't he being prosecuted? Calling Jon Carry!

101 ChazNOLA  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:00:50pm

Well, apparently he was in 3/8 and perhaps speaking in terms the media would understand.

102 Challenger  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:01:10pm

You know it always amazes me that the left claim that these folks were forced into murder, the poor dupes. You know, just following orders of the evil ChimpyMcHaliburton.

Do they have no morality of their own? Don't those excuses ring hollow and sound like something from Nuremburg? Just wondering...

And these are who the anti-war crowd choose to enshrine?

103 Dustyvet  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:05:45pm

Hmm, I seem to remember the same sort of bull shit being said about Vietnam Veterans.

104 ding  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:09:52pm

Mommy v. Daddy politics

I swear, the left aint nothing but a bunch of sissys hanging on their mothers skirt. Momma blow my nose-health care, momma feed me-food stamps, momma wipe my butt-I don't wanna look.

Some times, dad has got to go out and kick him some butt. Mom gets mad and little sissy get pissy but the houehold will make it for another day.

105 gitarfan  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:11:28pm

This guy's unit has quite a history from Okinawa in WWll to Lebanon in the 80's and Kosovo in the 90's. India Co. was hit in the bombing in Beruit. You'd think there would be someone from his unit to speak up either for or against this guy. Maybe they have and we don't know it because it doesn't fit the "narrative".

106 armytramp  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:13:16pm

Thanks, Huffington Post. I haven't heard racist comments about the Irish and Scots in years. You reminded me how crappy it sounds.

White trash?

Apparently, tired, poor and huddled masses, and former slaves like those Irish and Scots aren't worthy to ennoble the sensibilities liberal, caring hearts of the Huffington Post, what with their being white trash and all.

Thanks, Ariana, for supporting a forum that spreads racism, where the descendants of former slaves are only worth caring about if they are black, apparently.

107 poohrat  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:25:12pm

If this testamonial is true didn't he just admit to an act of murder? I think poetic justice is that this man be tried by courtmarshall. I think the shooting of the mosque if they were breaking the rule of engagement should be investigated also. Coming back home and trying to undermine the troop that are left in country is dispicable in my view.

108 CanuckInMI  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:36:56pm

I can't stand folks that pontificate about how immoral it is to kill other human beings. These retards aren't willing to stand up and defend the rights they enjoy. Most of the folks that make this kind of commentary have no idea what they're talking about.

109 mattm  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:42:45pm

Um. Wow. I guess this is to be expected form the moonbats. It is really sad though.

110 akforty777  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:43:25pm

Dehumanizing the enemy has been a part of war propaganda and training since...forever. This lady is truly clueless.

111 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:50:56pm

I watched the video, finally. All of these IVAW guys are lying sacks of bull dung. That being said I agree with all of the points being made about terminology being used is all wrong. I have been out for 9 years and I still use words like SAW gunner or 60 gunner. Second there is no congratulating that goes on around killing someone, not anywhere that I was assigned and I did 20+ years in the Infantry. Yes we are trained to kill, but not to murder. You will hear whooping and hollering when an engagement ends in the elimination of enemy, but you will notice it is always in context of engagements where there is return fire. Those whoops and holler are the release of tension associated with knowing the bad guys won't be trying to kill you anymore, not over the death of another human.
Lastly, judging by the pictures of this guy he is carrying a SAW, Squad Automatic Weapon, which has a very high rate of fire. It would almost be impossible to hit somebody with just one round. You would either have to be the worlds worst shot or out of ammo.
Liberals keep recycling the stories of these IVAW guys but none of them will go under oath and repeat these stories. At the very least if he did what he says he did he should be facing a court martial. If he witnessed anything like this he should be facing court martial for participating in a cover up. If any of his buddies see this I hope they either set the record straight to clear their names, since he is impugning their service and integrity right along with his, or else arrange for a hearty night of bar hopping with this guy to "discuss"the old times.
Final thought, compare the appearance of these slackers with the appearance of those who were on the National Heroes Tour.

112 MoonbatBane  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:53:39pm

For every asshat such as this turner puke, who is either a lying POS or should be tried for war crimes and sent to Levenworth to serve 40 years of hard labor, there are literally dozens of stories like this one: [Link: www.freerepublic.com...] Gee, wonder why HuffPuke doesn't talk about those? /beyond mad

113 coloradobuff  Tue, May 27, 2008 8:59:42pm

Reading the variety of bizarre comments posted at HuffPo (and reproduced here) leads me to the inevitable conclusion that mental illness runs strong among the extreme Left. That's no joke. These people have genuinely lost touch with reality, to the point that they will make anything up to support their view, no matter how outlandish or idiotic. Amazing.

114 Spiny Norman  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:01:00pm
Of the testimonies we filmed, this one, by Iraq War vet Jon Michael Turner, was the most compelling and intense.

Perfect. Remember that name.

I can't believe I'm the first to say this, but the gawddamned Paint Huffers have found themselves another gawddamned Jesse MacBeth.

115 Spiny Norman  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:06:13pm

Actually, a far better analogy would be Scott Thomas Beauchamp. My mistake.

116 Idle Drifter  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:22:50pm

I know this is a dead thread but I need to put in my two cents. I work with a few veterans of the Iraq War and being a veteran of the Afghanistan War they open up to me about their experiences in Iraq. Though never seeing combat since my MOS (6432) kept me aboard the Bonnie Dick (LHD-6) off the coast of Pakistan fixing components to keep our birds flying, they are very trusting of me to reveal some of their experiences, some very gruesome. I won't go into detail because I feel that conversations should remain private as a matter of trust. It seems to me as a way for them to relieve some of the guilt and strain surviving combat while some of their comrades did not, a form of therapy. My genuine laughter, concern, and remorse gives them peace of mind so does the support from the rest of shop which has been a great relief to them to be so excepted among friends. These are a great bunch guys that deserve everything positive in life for their hard work.

NO ONE can take away their honorable service. NONE of these so-called human beings that desecrate that service are fit to carry these REAL SOLDIERS' and MARINES' boots. These so-called human beings should also keep quiet about the many REAL AIRMEN and SAILORS that I have yet the honor to meet. I would rather die and go to hell for eternity than spend one moment in heaven with these so-call human beings posting on Huff or where ever they need to spew their bile. The men and women of the military of the Free World deserve to win VICTORY!

117 6pat6  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:37:54pm

It is impossible to "support the troops but not the war"...

That absurd statement is analogous to saying:

"I support my spouse, but I don't support marriage"
or
"I support my kids, but I am pro-abortion"...

These things mean exactly the same as the first statement.

118 Render  Tue, May 27, 2008 9:39:39pm

This guys got full sleeve tattoos on both arms?

[Link: usmilitary.about.com...]

And he suddenly appears in IVAW press releases on or around the beginning of March '08?

Does he have an agent yet?

MADE
FOR
TEEVEE,
R

119 USS Ben  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:01:16pm

Only moonbats of the Huffing and Pissed type would consider psycopathic terrorists who murder children and civilians as human.

That being said, this is obviously a piece of lying propaganda made by a snivelling coward that knows nothing about the nobility and decency of the Marine Corps.
In fact, none of these left wing scumbags have a clue about any virtue.
Virtues that are common in all of our Heroes.

I believe most of the vitriol the left shows towards our Military stems from jealousy and envy, because they don't have the courage to fight for liberty, let alone the courage to have high ideals.
The leftwingers don't have any lasting meaning in their lives; no honor or self-respect, and perhaps never will, so they lash out at great men and women who are far better than they will ever be.

120 Wendya  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:27:32pm

Comments are temporarily disabled, huh? What a shocker!

121 Ceemack  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:31:14pm

I suppose the moonbats at HuffPo wouldn't be in any position to know this, but as others have mentioned, this guy is lying his a** off.

"Automatic machine gunner"? Please. If he was being formal, he'd say "machine gunner" or "SAW gunner", depending on whether he was issued an M240 or an M249.

"I took another shot"? Good heavens...how stupid does he think we are? Okay, okay, so the HuffPo types really ARE that stupid. But an "automatic machine gun" is rarely, if ever, fired in semi-automatic mode. In other words, you don't take "shots". You fire bursts.

And why on Earth would he have fired a machine gun or SAW (squad automatic weapon) at one man in a family group? There'd be no reason to fire in the first place, and a machine gun is an area weapon. You'd never use it to single out one individual.

Scout-sniper types may talk about "kills", but line grunts? They might congratulate a guy on his first engagement, but not his first kill. Sorry, HuffPo, but a couple of my shooting buddies are ex-Marines, and I can tell you that our soldiers and Marines aren't the bloodthirsty killers you like to think they are. After his first action (if he ever really had one), he might've been congratulated for "busting" his "cherry". But that would be as far as it would go.

Nothing he says sounds like "Marine" to me. I've spent plenty of time listening to the way my buddies talk about their service, and this guy isn't even close.

I'm throwing the bulls**t flag on this one.

But at HuffPo, they're apparently lapping it up. It fits perfectly with their worldview, so why question it?

122 MrArchieBunker  Tue, May 27, 2008 10:31:29pm

Comments are temporarily disabled as we perform routine system maintenance. Comments are down from 12:30 AM EST to 3:30 AM EST. Please come back soon! -heh...You beat me to it Wendya

123 LEGION  Tue, May 27, 2008 11:46:52pm

Machine guns that aren't automatic are not of much use- single shot? Manual? Redundant- like calling them idiot jerkwads.

124 Paul Atreides  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:50:31am
In the South of the US the white population is predominantly Irish, Scottish riffraff, low life, criminals, racist Goobers.

It never ceases to amaze me how much liberals hate their fellow Americans.

Watch the old movies, from the 1920s-1940s, which depicted the snobbish rich as arrogant, heartless, cruel, haughty, etc., and you will see today's liberal portrayed to perfection: looking down on anyone and everyone perceived to be inferior.

125 Paul Atreides  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:52:22am
Thanks, Ariana, for supporting a forum that spreads racism, where the descendants of former slaves are only worth caring about if they are black, apparently.

The moonbats are welcome to have Ariana.

126 cannon2  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:36:55am

speaking from first hand experiance...viet nam, and desert storm...
in combat one does NOT consider the enemy who is trying to KILL you as human..they are simply the enemy who is trying to kill you...and you do everything you can to stay alive...including killing them befor they kill you.
to consider the "humans" you are trying to defeat will grt you killed, or drive you nutz.
before this story (or any stoey of this type) is to be takin seriously the following info MUST be provided:
Date: month/day/year
Unit: unit, and names of chain of command involved
Place: country, provence/state/region/territority, city,address
Event: duh..what happened, in detail
Supporting documentation: statements ofwitness,victums,
investigators, photos, video, ect.
anyone can claim "i was in iraq where i killed innocent civilians. i even scalped them, just like the old west indians did, but customs wouldn't let me bring the scalps into the country." with out D.U.P.E.S. people who are believe that are DUPES.

127 stashiu  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:10:52am

re: #85 TommyGun
Welcome home and thank you for your service.

RVN 1969-70

128 eaglewingz08  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:22:40am

Some of those HuffPoS comments mirror the Obamanation's, bitter redneck bible thumping cousin marrying gun toting xenophobe elitism that have stuck to him like glue.
However another comment is more interesting. Isn't it amazing that some libs want nay demand that before a patriot is allowed to enlist he or she be shown the 'consequences' of his/her actions? First I wonder what those consequences might be-execution of Sadaam Hussein? Liberation from regimes of mass murderers? Fighting against communist/socialist/islamofascist mass murderers?
Second, the same people, it seems, who would demand that military recruitees be shown the 'consequences' of their acts (and libel those recruitees with terms like 'baby killers'-lots of support there) would howl and scream if the Congress or any State of the US passed laws requiring women undergoing abortions (who are in a much more direct sense "baby killers") to understand the consequences of their actions. But double standards and tin foil thought processes are the trademarks of many liberals.

129 eagleheart  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:30:14am

From a Memorial Day Tribute
It is the
US SOLDIERS,

not the preacher,
who has given us freedom of religion,

not the reporter,
who has given us freedom of the press,

not the poet,
who has given us freedom of speech,

not the campus organizer,
who has given us freedom to assemble,

not the lawyer,
who has given us the right to a fair trial,

not the politician,
Who has given us the right to vote.

And many of these US Soldiers died to give us these rights

130 stashiu  Wed, May 28, 2008 7:35:13am

re: #128 eaglewingz08

Yes. The liberal elite are clueless as to what it takes for them to ride around in their Volvo's and support trendy, left-wing movements. I am afraid they will remain that way until we loose a few American cities and the [bigoted word]s are running up their driveways shouting "Alahu akhbar!"

131 billo  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:28:02am

My dad recently died at the age of 82. He was a vet from the Pacific Theater in WWII, in a unit that took 98 percent casualties in New Guinea (of which he was one). While cleaning out his house, I ran across a shoe box filled with old clippings and stuff from his service days. One of these was an interview with his home town newspaper that he apparently gave while on leave before he was shot and disabled.

In it, he talks about fighting in the jungle and says something to the effect of (and this is from my memory and not an exact quote), "You know the Japs. They like to booby trap stuff, even the bodies of our buddies. They other thing they do is fake surrender and then kill us when we try to take them in. I just kill them all now. We don't take prisoners any more."

The interesting thing is how the paper handled it. None of this "Oh my God" stuff. Instead, the intro to that paragraph congratulated him on "finding a good way to deal with Jap dirty tricks."

The fact is that these people who hold their noses at the people who defend them simply don't have any idea of the cost of keeping them safe. Instead, they fear the sheepdog as much as the wolf, and will end up embracing the wolf because of that ignorance.

My dad never really talked much about the war. One of the few things that I do remember when I was a kid was pointing to his flat nose and asking him why it looked funny. He said "A Jap hit me in the face with the butt of his rifle."

"Wow," I replied "What happened then?"

"I don't know. I passed out. I woke up later in the hospital."

"You passed out and he didn't shoot you?"

"No."

"How come?"

"Probably because my bayonet was in his chest."

The only other story he ever told me was of when he got back to the states after the war and went to college. He and a couple of other vets from the Pacific Theater were at a bar when a couple of frat boys who managed to duck service decided to try to haze them. The frat boys learned that two years in the jungle provided an education they had missed.

People who haven't been in combat need to remember that it's not a freaking game.

132 RJ77  Wed, May 28, 2008 2:14:03pm

I love this one, from a semi-literate leftist America-hater posting under the name "researcher" -

"well we had a good old protest today in phx and the news media gave it about 20 seconds of coverage.

few college students mostly older people over 50. left over vietnam protestors.

americans most are out and out war mongers and dont have a clue.

most that drove by where on their cell phones coming home from work i would guess and felt inconvenienced that they had to wait for all of us to walk across the street.

not a proud america. as i heard one person yell kill them over there so we dont have to kill them over here. american mentality ie imperialists."

133 RJ77  Wed, May 28, 2008 2:19:57pm

Here's another great one, reminiscent of "General Betray Us," from a moonbat posting under the name "freeheeler" -

"Berrett, the words "semper fi" have been tarnished forever by the lies of this administration and by the refusal of people like you to stand up and demand justice against those who told these lies.

Until you who were lied into war demand that Bush, Cheney, Rummy, et al. face justice for their lies and crimes against humanity, semper fi will mean the same as semper lie."

If the nutroots was around 65 years ago, they would have been screaming about "General Lies And Power" ...

134 RJ77  Wed, May 28, 2008 2:28:01pm

Ah, the inevitable invocation of Godwin's Law, from a poster named "amanda85" (who is probably a 22- or 23-year old Obama-worshiping fifth-year undergrad) -

"Soldiers aren't trained to kill **INNOCENT CIVILIANS.** That's what the S S were doing in W W II and what your guys are doing now."

135 RJ77  Wed, May 28, 2008 2:30:35pm

This bit of love from a poster named "Samnite" -

"Oh give me a break. Most Americans are happy to see Muslims killed. They quite simply do not understand the difference between an Iraqi, an Iranian or someone from Saudi Arabia because they're all too stupid and ignorant about the world beyond their sitcoms.

We've all come across them almost on a daily basis. For the most part they're just like that idiot in the WH.

Yes, it's terrible that we've turned our soldiers into killing machines under the guise of defending their country while the real objective is to increase the influence and profit of a few. It is pure hypocrisy!"


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