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HuffPo Supporting the Troops Again

Tue, May 27, 2008 at 5:11:54 pm PDT

The lovely denizens of Huffington Post are having an orgy of troop-bashing, in the comments for an article about the ludicrous claims of the “Winter Soldier” rerun crowd: Iraq Soldier Discusses His ‘Kills’ (VIDEO) - Politics on The Huffington Post.

Prediction: they’ll close the comments for this one. I’m surprised they didn’t see this coming; they usually close comments preemptively on subjects like this because they know what will happen—this.

Watching and listening to this video made me physically ill. To think that my tax dollars have paid for someone to talk about “kills” as if he’s referring to deer, squirrels, birds, or some other animal is disgusting. IOW—-these soldiers think of other human beings as animals. We have dehumanized the Iraqis and others the Republicans have deemed to be “enemies”. I weep for my disintegrating country. We are no longer living in the USA, as there is nothing united about the states of america.

We are not united. We are divided——those who support this unholy war against those who are againist it.

...

May God send this country and its people their just rewards. This country is built on other people’s refuse, other people’s criminals. They didn“t teach you in school about ”indentured servitude“; this is how the UK emptied its prisons. In the South of the US the white population is predominantly Irish, Scottish riffraff, low life, criminals, racist Goobers.

Let me remind you: ”Give me your tired, your poor ...Your huddled masses... The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.... Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me". And they sure sent them here!!

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They were trained to be killers, that is what they do, many video’s are out on sites that show tiny babies mutilated by our men. Many stories, it is what Bush, Cheney wanted, that is how they are trained as are the Latino’s they are training in Georgia for Bush right now, killers, that is why 1800 a month are trying to commit suicide, they cannot live with what they have seen or maybe have done, very sad. Bush has his people do his mass murders for him, he tortured frogs when a young child and we know the profile of a serial killer always tortures animals when young, so now Bush has it all ways, frogs, our young men,the Iraq people,Gitmo, when will people stop him by Impeach.org

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to invade, occupy, and murder innocent people has become an art form for our all volunteer military.

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This is repulsive. Individuals are ultimately responsible for their actions. While i applaud those that step forward to tell the truth, is it really a surprise to anyone? Abu Ghraib was only a preview of what was to come, not an anomaly.

The time to remove the halo and silence the hero worship rhetoric has long passed. We are funding genocide with every tax dollar we pay.

Shame on the US.

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In order to stop this war, and any future American Wars of Aggression, those considering enlisting in the armed forces need to be stopped before they sign on the dotted line. They need to be shown that this is a choice with extreme consequences; that they will come home changed for the worse, physically, mentally or both; they need to be shown that patriotism, bravado, the youthful myth of immortality and the promise of $50,000 will not save them; they need to be shown that wars of aggression are NOT noble causes and that those who“give” their lives are not doing so for their country but for the greed of a few men in government and corporations.

Those who have come back from Iraq have learned all of the above the hard way. No one needs to follow in their footsteps. No one, given the chance, would choose to come back forgotten by their government and damaged for life - which is what happens when you fight to defend a lie instead of your country. Those in our government who sent these men and women off under the false banner of patriotism should be held accountable for their thoughtless and selfish actions.

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And you wonder why US soldiers are being blown up on a daily basis, justify the means and keep killing innocent Iraqi civilians...

On and on it goes. This is just from the first page.

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1 JammieWearingFool  5/27/08 5:13:51 pm reply quote

Should be a pleasant election season.

2 JohnnyReb  5/27/08 5:15:04 pm reply quote

I am going to call shenanigans on this video. No one in the US military says they are an "automatic machine gunner."

3 Roentgen  5/27/08 5:15:56 pm reply quote

They support the troops, except when they don't.

4 irongrampa  5/27/08 5:15:59 pm reply quote

I just wish the left would take their "support" for our troops and SHOVE it until they CHOKE on it.

5 conservativeChick  5/27/08 5:16:50 pm reply quote

The moonbats are all coming out of the woodwork big time in this election.

6 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  5/27/08 5:17:13 pm
7 Alouette  5/27/08 5:17:17 pm reply quote

This "people" (and I use the term with extreme generosity) make me want to puke.

8 nextstopmars  5/27/08 5:17:43 pm reply quote

These HuffPo types need halp. They're stuck on moonbat.

9 Killian Bundy  5/27/08 5:18:42 pm reply quote
Comments 101
Pending Comments 193

/so, they're vetted?

10 Elcid  5/27/08 5:19:33 pm reply quote
these soldiers think of other human beings as animals.

The ones we fight today ARE animals, asshat!

11 WhiteRasta  5/27/08 5:19:38 pm reply quote

They are the enemy and they should be killed.......

12 Killian Bundy  5/27/08 5:19:47 pm reply quote

re: #6 song_and_dance_man

She is a bumbling ingrate asshat.

/dumped for another man

13 MandyManners  5/27/08 5:20:15 pm reply quote

re: #7 Alouette

This "people" (and I use the term with extreme generosity) make me want to puke.

I'm regretting the extra helping of meat loaf I had for dinner.

14 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  5/27/08 5:20:21 pm
15 Mich-again  5/27/08 5:20:28 pm reply quote

When all your tools are hammers, all your problems look like nails.

16 Roentgen  5/27/08 5:21:18 pm reply quote

There, I fixed it:

to invade, occupy, and murder innocent dangerous, evil people has become an art form for our all volunteer military

17 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  5/27/08 5:21:32 pm reply quote

re: #13 MandyManners

I miss meatloaf. So anyway the first time I ever saw Arianna was on Mahr. Arguing for the right. Guess what? Didn't like her then.

18 DesertSage  5/27/08 5:21:33 pm reply quote

re: #14 song_and_dance_man

If absurdity were taxable Huffpo would be bankrupt.

Yeah, but the government would be in the black.

19 Killian Bundy  5/27/08 5:22:06 pm reply quote

Can't we have a war where everyone just gets along?

/without all the evil weapons and everything

20 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  5/27/08 5:22:07 pm
21 WhiteRasta  5/27/08 5:22:13 pm reply quote

re: #12 Killian Bundy

Dude, if I were married to that Harridan, I'd turn gay, too.

22 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  5/27/08 5:22:36 pm reply quote

re: #15 Mich-again

When all your tools are hammers, all your problems look like nails.

Smothers Brothers line...
"Give a child a hammer, and the whole world becomes a nail".

That really stuck with me. Now I know why.

23 RedSoxNation  5/27/08 5:24:04 pm reply quote

This sounds just like the John Kerry testimony where it will eventually turn out to be untrue or greatly out of context. I really have to question whether an officer would dangle a four day pass to anyone who kills someone with a knife...I wonder if these guys "testifying" realize that they are, in essence, admitting to committing serious crimes that carry very serious consequences. This is very sad to see...

24 JeremyR  5/27/08 5:24:15 pm reply quote

re: #2 JohnnyReb

I am going to call shenanigans on this video. No one in the US military says they are an "automatic machine gunner."

I'm on dial up so I don't check most vids. I cannot recall anyone useing that term during my short tenure in the army, although the term automatic rifleman was used prior to the introduction of the SAW and M-16 A2 to designate the guy who did supressive fire on rock&roll.

25 Shiplord Kirel  5/27/08 5:24:57 pm reply quote

When you read these comments from the 60s media-conformists, please remember that this arrogant, leaden pretense of morality is aimed at one thing: Empowering terrorists and totalitarians.

26 ethanxxx  5/27/08 5:25:00 pm reply quote

Well, I was happy to hear the first blogger state that he was feeling ill. GOOD!
Father forgive me for I have sinned. I find great comfort in the discomfort of my enemy.

27 jamgarr  5/27/08 5:26:58 pm reply quote

Let me be clear - I am against those who are against it.

/dumbass

28 troonbop  5/27/08 5:27:02 pm reply quote

There's a droning automatic quality to a lot of this drooling. After eight years of BDS they just spew it out, adding a few details every time.

29 Milk Toast Intolerant  5/27/08 5:28:23 pm reply quote

They were trained to be killers, that is what they do, many video’s are out on sites that show tiny babies mutilated by our men.

Hey, HuffPo Idiots,

Does this soldier look like he killed this little child?

There are hundreds of thousands of soldiers like Major Mark Bieger who have put their lives on the line to protect these precious little ones. In lying about our men and women in uniform, you have fueled the hatred against our troops from the murderous head-chopping Islamic savages who would not think twice about blowing up a street full of Iraqi children.

30 kynna  5/27/08 5:29:06 pm reply quote

When a bag of hammers beats your SAT score, you take refuge on the HuffPo. It's a nice place to feel good about yourself.

31 dmh0667  5/27/08 5:30:48 pm reply quote

Hilarious stuff! One-third want to kill Bush, one-third want to hang these "soldiers" for confessing their "crimes" (an ironic turn in this, if ever I heard one!), and another third apparently are conservative provacateurs who are being ignored.

32 Silhouette  5/27/08 5:31:10 pm reply quote

On the victim-villain scale, they are back to seeing troops as villain, I see.

33 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  5/27/08 5:32:55 pm
34 jamsler  5/27/08 5:33:29 pm reply quote

Yes huffmoron, I'm sure that all soldiers in all prior wars considered their enemy as full human beings as they shot at them.
These loons wailing about about our soldiers being killers plainly don't understand that that's how you survive a war. By killing before being killed. And taking the humanity of the enemy into consideration before a firefight is insane. If you managed to avoid being killed outright, you might actually feel depression when you got home. It's a safety mechanism built into the human psyche. The disconnect from reality that these people show is truly frightening. I pray that most people aren't this out of touch; That these are just a small yet loud minority. I have a bad feeling though, that our schools are pumping out these twits, indoctrinated to be sheep for a slaughter. It's a dark vision.

35 Roentgen  5/27/08 5:33:31 pm reply quote

re: #28 troonbop

There's a droning automatic quality to a lot of this drooling. After eight years of BDS they just spew it out, adding a few details every time.

I might be catching a case of BDS myself--the Barack strain.

36 Shay4l  5/27/08 5:34:16 pm reply quote

I wish I hadn't read that so soon after eating

37 Shaky Louie  5/27/08 5:38:32 pm reply quote

Don't forget their battle cry: "Dissent whining, sniveling and lying is patriotic", so don't dare question their motivation, or their patriotism! These brave young people!
/ /

38 Dr. Shalit  5/27/08 5:43:17 pm reply quote

re: #8 nextstopmars

These HuffPo types need halp. They're stuck on moonbat.

Exactly -

This is the US Armed Forces we are talking about. Ya know, the one that prosecutes is members for not following R.O.E.'s. Sends them to the brig too if convicted. Huffin' Puffers - get with the program. Suicides among the US Military are less than their counterparts, by age, or sex in the general population. Also, believe that within the last 24 hours it was safer to be in Baghdad for US Personnel than to be in Manhattan.
Yes, WAR SUCKS, I will say so too. SLAVERY SUCKS WORSE, never forget that. About 650,000 combatants died in 1861 - 65 to make that so. I will not and never be a SLAVE to an "Emir" or a "Caliph" or "Ayatollah" whether COCKAMAMIE or not.
That is all.

-S-

39 Gumby  5/27/08 5:45:26 pm reply quote

Soldiers are trained killers? Who'duh thunk it?

MSgt, USAF (RET) '69-'92

40 Edouard  5/27/08 5:45:30 pm reply quote

Whenever Arianna the Smug does a talking-head segment on TV, she needs to be confronted by lovely comments such as these by the ideological fellow-travelers on her site, who always find a way to plumb ever more offensive depths of depravity.

41 joecitizen  5/27/08 5:46:26 pm reply quote

re: #33 song_and_dance_man

For someone who doesn't like fighting they are making a good go at it.

except their 'fighting' is a pale imitation of what it takes to remain free and relatively safe..these kinda fools lay down and curl up just about the time that the 'fight' moves beyond empty rhetoric and ad hominem attacks against their betters..

42 jamsler  5/27/08 5:47:02 pm reply quote

"They were trained to be killers, that is what they do, many video’s are out on sites that show tiny babies mutilated by our men."

Those misplaced apostrophes really show off your brainpower! Nothing highlights your keen insight like the inability to apply grammar-school punctuation.

Illiterate and irrational. Learn to punctuate, moonbat.

Who do you think produces these videos? Our enemy produces them, of course! Did you ever hear of propaganda? Get a clue, you gullible, slanderous nincompoop. Even as compost you would be a failure.

Misplaced apostrophes really piss me off.

43 The Other Les  5/27/08 5:48:25 pm reply quote

re: #2 JohnnyReb

I am going to call shenanigans on this video. No one in the US military says they are an "automatic machine gunner."

As a former Eleven-Bravo (Combat Rifleman) I'm going to have to agree.

44 rightwinger3  5/27/08 5:49:07 pm reply quote

re: #23 RedSoxNation

This sounds just like the John Kerry testimony where it will eventually turn out to be untrue or greatly out of context. I really have to question whether an officer would dangle a four day pass to anyone who kills someone with a knife...I wonder if these guys "testifying" realize that they are, in essence, admitting to committing serious crimes that carry very serious consequences. This is very sad to see...

I have to question this. Marines don't call a four day pass a "four day pass". In my 22 years all I ever called it, and all I ever heard it called, was a "96". This guy almost pulls it off but not quite, lying sack of shit.

45 Gumby  5/27/08 5:49:21 pm reply quote

re: #42 jamsler

Their's a lot of illiteration that pisses me off too!

46 Merovign  5/27/08 5:49:30 pm reply quote

We were about on schedule for another case of severe "Wintersoldieritis," weren't we.

Been a while since we heard from Jesse MacBeth.

I especially like the part where they dehumanize their neighbors by accusing them of mindlessly and brutally dehumanizing their enemies. Good times.

47 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  5/27/08 5:51:05 pm
48 docremulac  5/27/08 5:51:57 pm reply quote

Oh pu-lease! These leftists are the most bloodthirsty war mongers on the face of the earth when it comes to their side (communists or their new islamofascist allies) doing the killing.

One great example of this was an old liberal Vietnam documentary I saw discussing both sides using fragmentation anti personnel devices, (bombs with little metal pellets). The documentation of the Vietcong's use of these devices showed the villagers putting them together and praised how industrious and resourceful they were and how the women and children all joined in like it was basket-weaving around the campfire. Then it showed the horrific wounds caused by the American fragmentation devices (the bad ones) with shots of surgeons removing the evil America bomb pellets from innocent flesh, spooky music, etc etc.

Don't let these pigs fool you. They're bloodthirsty war mongers through and through. Remember, their bible, the Communist Manifesto is a manual for war and conquest, just like the koran.

49 Gumby  5/27/08 5:52:45 pm reply quote

re: #43 The Other Les

As a former Eleven-Bravo (Combat Rifleman) I'm going to have to agree.

Couldn't he be a manual machine gunner?

50 sparrowlake  5/27/08 5:55:22 pm reply quote

Look at all the hate there is in Arianna
Then take a look around you at Barak Obama
Barry hides the truth, he knows no regulation
And uncles alone don't bring Auschwitz liberation
His whole damn campaign is just too frustratin'
And he sells dems, over and over and over again my friend,
Yet theu won't believe we're on the eve of destruction.

51 PloniAlmoni  5/27/08 5:55:26 pm reply quote

If this former soldier confessed to killing innocent civilians, then why is he not arrested? Maybe it's just me, but I don't get how just because this one guy said he did all these horrible things, this makes the all soldiers bad?

52 nyc redneck  5/27/08 5:56:27 pm reply quote

these anti-american assh*les, who demean the troops, are cowards.
they could never serve.
that's why they malign the military rather than step forward and join the patriots who defend our country.
(cowardice is ugly)

53 sparrowlake  5/27/08 5:56:51 pm reply quote

they - PIMF

54 joecitizen  5/27/08 5:57:05 pm reply quote

re: #47 song_and_dance_man

Tis' true. And ironically they rely on a freedom that is granted and ignore the circumstance of its purchase


heh yes..in spite of the fascictbushdictatorship they have been living under all these years...

55 Silhouette  5/27/08 5:57:21 pm reply quote

re: #51 PloniAlmoni

If this former soldier confessed to killing innocent civilians, then why is he not arrested? Maybe it's just me, but I don't get how just because this one guy said he did all these horrible things, this makes the all soldiers bad?

They are convinced that the hundreds of thousands of other troops are doing the same thing, only they won't admit it, or are afraid of Bush et al.

56 The Other Les  5/27/08 5:58:08 pm reply quote

re: #49 Gumby

It's basically a case of getting the techobabble wrong.

If you really want an example of bad military technobabble watch the mission planning scene in THE DOGS OF WAR.

57 psyop  5/27/08 5:58:49 pm reply quote

re: #2 JohnnyReb

I am going to call shenanigans on this video. No one in the US military says they are an "automatic machine gunner."

Yes, one would typically identify with the type of weapon they deployed.

Such as: I was a SAW gunner.

Or: I was a 60 gunner.

Or something along those lines.

58 jamsler  5/27/08 5:59:11 pm reply quote

re: #45 Gumby

Ow! it burns! it burrrns!

59 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  5/27/08 6:01:08 pm
60 gop_patriot  5/27/08 6:02:00 pm reply quote

I feel the need to post this again:

So how does it feel to know that someones kid in the heart of america
Has blood on their hands, fighting to defend your rights
So you can maintain the lifestyle that insults his family's existance
Well, where I'm from we have a special salute we aim high in the air
Towards all those pompous assholes who spend their days pointing fingers

Fuck you

61 joecitizen  5/27/08 6:04:07 pm reply quote

re: #59 song_and_dance_man

No hard feelings about last night? Peace bro... we are on the same side for a substantial part of the truth.

/hive five


I'm with ya,man...btw,heard today that an old girly o mine passed away from brain cancer at 42 effin years old..puts the slight flame war we had last night in a kinda perspective,no?

62 gop_patriot  5/27/08 6:08:40 pm reply quote

re: #61 joecitizen

Joe, I'm sorry to hear that. How awful. :(
My prayers are with her family.

63 right_on_target  5/27/08 6:11:21 pm reply quote

re: #44 rightwinger3

A 4-Day pass ? They give that out now? I remember 3-day passes in the Army, if you wanted more then you had to take leave time.
Anyway, where does a person in Iraq or Afghanistan go on a 4-Day?

64 Tarkus289  5/27/08 6:11:40 pm reply quote

re: #50 sparrowlake

Very good, I always liked that song.

65 joecitizen  5/27/08 6:11:52 pm reply quote

re: #62 gop_patriot

Joe, I'm sorry to hear that. How awful. :(
My prayers are with her family.


ty gop..she was a good soul...

66 LeonidasOfSparta  5/27/08 6:12:51 pm reply quote

It has been purported as a truth, that the middle "finger" gesture was first used by the English in the 1300's who created the gesture when in battle with the Fwench.

When the English longbow, made out of Yew, decimated the French in battle, the goal of the French became to capture as many longbowman as possible and cut off their middle finger since that was their bow PLUCKING finger.

As a moral-busting counter-measure, however, the English bowmen who had not been caught by the French would raise that middle finger in the air in a sort of 1300's victory dance, and yell YEW PLUCKER!

and thus began the ceremony.

67 Mars Needs Neocons  5/27/08 6:18:53 pm reply quote

re: #43 The Other Les

As a former Eleven-Bravo (Combat Rifleman) I'm going to have to agree.

M-60 specialist in AF also agree.

68 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  5/27/08 6:19:41 pm
69 jamsler  5/27/08 6:20:44 pm reply quote

re: #66 LeonidasOfSparta

In the version I heard, the English said:
"I can still PLUCK YEW!" while middle finger saluting.

70 Mars Needs Neocons  5/27/08 6:21:28 pm reply quote

re: #66 LeonidasOfSparta

It has been purported as a truth, that the middle "finger" gesture was first used by the English in the 1300's who created the gesture when in battle with the Fwench.

When the English longbow, made out of Yew, decimated the French in battle, the goal of the French became to capture as many longbowman as possible and cut off their middle finger since that was their bow PLUCKING finger.

As a moral-busting counter-measure, however, the English bowmen who had not been caught by the French would raise that middle finger in the air in a sort of 1300's victory dance, and yell YEW PLUCKER!

and thus began the ceremony.

Great comic "Crechy" covers that whole story well. On other things the writer suffers from a bit of Moonbattery.

71 Fenboy  5/27/08 6:21:33 pm reply quote

This is why I don't click on the Daily Kos/Huffington Post links posted here. I don't think my blood pressure could stand it.

72 Nemesis6  5/27/08 6:24:11 pm reply quote

I remember that video within the video, you know, the one of the tower being shot up. When I saw it, it had the explanation that there was a terrorist sniper firing from it.

73 Ringo the Gringo  5/27/08 6:24:46 pm reply quote

I have an old friend who has severe BDS. She keeps a blog to vent her frustrations, but hardly anyone ever leaves comments...Perhaps some of you folks might want to leave a comment....(just don't mention me).

Here's her Memorial Day post, which was inspired by an article in the NY Times by Bill Kristol, but has nothing to do with the Kristol article.

74 kevinmumaw  5/27/08 6:25:38 pm reply quote
I weep for my disintegrating country.

It seems they cry at the drop of a hat. All the melodrama of a 14 year old.

75 irongrampa  5/27/08 6:25:51 pm reply quote

I mentioned before, I was surprised that this crap took so long to resurface in all it's malignant stridency, an old road traveled for any of us who served during the Viet Nam War.

This time, I'll wager, it aint gonna get much traction in the aftermath of the 1st Gulf War--not THIS war, not THESE troops, NOT THIS TIME.

76 Genosaurer  5/27/08 6:28:47 pm reply quote

re: #49 Gumby

Couldn't he be a manual machine gunner?

Sure, he was probably using one of these!

77 Steffan  5/27/08 6:35:01 pm reply quote

It's really too bad for them that they get so worked up over flat out lies told by losers who either have never been in the military in the first place or have never been within a thousand miles of Iraq.

Of course, by the time the lies are debunked, they'll conveniently forget how worked up about them they were....

78 sparrowlake  5/27/08 6:35:20 pm reply quote

re: #64 Tarkus289

Very good, I always liked that song.

Here ya go.

79 Tarkus289  5/27/08 6:39:06 pm reply quote

re: #78 sparrowlake

Thanks, I don't really agree with the words but I like the passion. I grew
up with all the hippie music, if you take the politics out of those songs
they become far more desirable.

80 Merovign  5/27/08 6:41:02 pm reply quote

re: #77 Steffan

Of course, by the time the lies are debunked, they'll conveniently forget how worked up about them they were....

I don't know if I'd take odds on this dude being a fake, but I'd take odds on the left conveniently forgetting it if he was... or continuing to back him for months like they did MacBeth!

81 ChazNOLA  5/27/08 6:41:22 pm reply quote

@rightwinger3; Johnny Reb; The Other Les

As a former 0311 (2003-2007) this guy doesn't even sound close. Like others above have pointed out, something is just plain wrong about this guy's terminology. He'd be a SAW gunner or an automatic rifleman. And he would never have even heard the words "four day pass" in the Marines it would be called a "96." You guys are right on. No vet could watch this without smelling a rat.

The propagandists who filmed this video don't understand how established our terminology is in the Marine Corps. Not that we go around saying "bulkhead" and "portholes" after bootcamp, but the stress on terminology is still there. Also, not that HuffPo is listening, but if he's in the Corps he's a "Marine," not a "Soldier." The Army has soldiers, the Marine Corps has Marines. My family still has trouble with this. The fact of the matter is, this "Soldier/Marine" probably wasn't either. I'd bet a dollar he's a sociology student at UC Irvine making a propaganda film he thought had to be made.

82 shimauma  5/27/08 6:41:51 pm reply quote

So when I pray for my MP sister in law in the 304th battalion to be accurate does that make *ME* insensitive?

83 unrealizedviewpoint  5/27/08 6:47:13 pm reply quote

I believe knowingly lying, by slander, both our service and our servicemen is, or should be a crime. This goes far beyond freedom of speech, as I believe these damaging lies go beyond the freedoms provided by our 1st Amendment. If this Jon Michael Turner were slandering an individual he would be held accountable.

84 sparrowlake  5/27/08 6:51:40 pm reply quote

re: #79 Tarkus289

Thanks, I don't really agree with the words but I like the passion. I grew
up with all the hippie music, if you take the politics out of those songs
they become far more desirable.

There is nothing wrong with hating war and killing. That is not inconsistent with recognizing the need for war. The day we start to actually love war is the day we become like our enemies.

85 TommyGun  5/27/08 6:53:55 pm reply quote

re: #63 right_on_target

Yes, some soldiers get the option of leave or a 4 day. Others get both. I don't feel at liberty to say where soldiers go for their R&R.

Anyways...

I may as well introduce myself. I'm TommyGun or TG for short. I am a long time lurker and a first time poster.

Excuse me if I get off topic here and to warn ya's I feel a vent coming on.

As per post #71, I doubt I will ever click on another link that goes to HP. I cannot understand the complete ignorance of some people. An opinion is fine, but I have always felt it should be an educated opinion (hence my not posting until now). The only thing that keeps me from going ballistic is the fact that they are exercising the right to free speech, no matter how unintelligent it is. It gives me job satisfaction. I hope one day they understand how easy they could lose this right by their own power. They better hope people like us don't stop defending not just our rights, but others that wish for democracy as well.

The one thing these kinds of people will never understand is combat. As long as soldiers have to kill, there will always be war stories. It is a way of dealing with something tragic.

I know I am preaching to the choir, but how can some of those posters over there say there are no bad guys or that the enemy is innocent when they do things like rocket or mortar elementary schools, or use kids in car bombs? Innocent my ass!

I agree that our country has a very big problem. The problem is that people will believe whatever drivel they hear. Never mind taking 5 or 10 minutes to search for another side of the story...blah blah blah. I could rant forever, but I'm getting irritated again.

Have a good nite.
TG

86 irongrampa  5/27/08 6:55:14 pm reply quote

Watched the video, and I'll call bullshit on this .

Someone needs to verify this asswipe's bona fides--anyone here able to do this?

87 Gumby  5/27/08 6:57:53 pm reply quote

re: #76 Genosaurer

Sure, he was probably using one of

88 unrealizedviewpoint  5/27/08 7:04:43 pm reply quote

re: #85 TommyGun

Thank you TG. Your reasoned well chosen words demonstrate a rational being with tremendous ability to control emotions under great stress. Thank you so much for your service.

89 lostlakehiker  5/27/08 7:05:05 pm reply quote

re: #85 TommyGun

Thanks Tommy.

The original thread claimed that soldiers coming back had "learned all of the above". If so, why the reenlistments? Why don't we see credible testimony of atrocities, stuff with photos and witnesses?

Because HuffPuffers are full of it.

90 Just_A_Grunt  5/27/08 7:15:51 pm reply quote

I wonder if those sentiments extend to this group of veterans also?

91 alibey  5/27/08 7:18:27 pm reply quote

re: #43 The Other Les

re: #2 JohnnyReb

I am going to call shenanigans on this video. No one in the US military says they are an "automatic machine gunner."

As a former Eleven-Bravo (Combat Rifleman) I'm going to have to agree.

This Retired Finance NCO also agrees.

92 blue_like_jazz  5/27/08 7:28:35 pm reply quote

re: #57 psyop

Yes, one would typically identify with the type of weapon they deployed.

Such as: I was a SAW gunner.

Or: I was a 60 gunner.

Or something along those lines.

my hubby, former 11 B in the 82nd, calls "BULLSHIT!" on all of this. without telling him the subject of the thread, i asked him what his job was:

"a 60 gunner!" (ranked, BTW) =)

this video is TOTAL BULLSHIT.

93 Gumby  5/27/08 7:31:28 pm reply quote

re: #92 blue_like_jazz

my hubby, former 11 B in the 82nd, calls "BULLSHIT!" on all of this. without telling him the subject of the thread, i asked him what his job was:

"a 60 gunner!" (ranked, BTW) =)

this video is TOTAL BULLSHIT.

Joe Goebbels is rolling over in his grave laughing at the amateurish propagandists.....

94 blue_like_jazz  5/27/08 7:35:11 pm reply quote
May God send this country and its people their just rewards. This country is built on other people’s refuse, other people’s criminals. They didn“t teach you in school about ”indentured servitude“; this is how the UK emptied its prisons. In the South of the US the white population is predominantly Irish, Scottish riffraff, low life, criminals, racist Goobers.

Let me remind you: ”Give me your tired, your poor ...Your huddled masses... The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.... Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me". And they sure sent them here!


ummmm... YOU'RE here, fucktard.

//irony meter pegged

95 ghostcake  5/27/08 7:36:55 pm reply quote

re: #6 song_and_dance_man


Ariana is fortunate that she is able to provide a forum that blasts the very people that fought and sacrificed for her to do so.

Quoted for truth.

96 Gumby  5/27/08 7:39:17 pm reply quote

re: #94 blue_like_jazz

ummmm... YOU'RE here, fucktard.

//irony meter pegged

the wretched refuse..... irony IS a bitch.... much like karma.

97 stevieray  5/27/08 7:40:50 pm reply quote

Sometimes the blindness is overwhelming.

We have dehumanized the Iraqis and others the Republicans have deemed to be “enemies”. I weep for my disintegrating country. We are no longer living in the USA, as there is nothing united about the states of america.

We are not united. We are divided——those who support this unholy war against those who are against it.

This moonbat seems to think America became divided because of the Iraq war.

News flash: The divide in America began in the late sixties, when the left side of the democrat party decided to abandon American style liberalism for Euro style marxism and full bore socialism. Before that time, there was a general agreement on the fundamentals of what it meant to be an American -- self reliance, optimism, material and economic progress, and a practical, not ideological approach to the problems of the day. We may have disagreed about the correct solutions to the problems, but we agreed on the goals -- a strong nation of independent people, secure in their homes and united by a common language and culture.

Your political ancestors abandoned all that. They decided the state must be the guarantor of life's necessities instead of merely offering short-term assistance to the temporarily low; the populace should defer to the "enlightened" opinions of the best and brightest instead of relying on the wisdom of personal experience and common sense; and the political system should be held captive to the unassailable victim status of the "correct", duly approved grievance lobbies.

In short, you have not only inverted all of the values and philosophies that took this nation to the dizzying heights of the mid-century, you have moved so far to the left to have created unbridgeable chasms in the fabric of America... and have no illusions; it was you that changed, not the rest of us. Today's bitter divide is your baby; you fed it and nurtured it in your classrooms and cafes... to now bemoan it is obnoxiously disingenuous. Claim it... its yours. And if you want the nation to heal, begin by healing yourselves. You are the ones that need redemption and reconciliation, not us.

98 USASupport  5/27/08 7:44:57 pm reply quote

I'd like to know what schools the writer went to...because I learned about indentured servitude in school. Maybe this guy was too busy getting high somewhere instead of in class.

99 gitarfan  5/27/08 7:48:13 pm reply quote

I found this site and it shows a Jon Michael Turner in Fallujah with a smile on his face. Looks like the same guy. Wonder what the family listed in the website think of this? Scroll down to see him.

[Link: www.give2thetroops.org...]

100 Challenger  5/27/08 7:52:10 pm reply quote

Wow. What a fockwit. Does any of this check out? Why isn't he being prosecuted? Calling Jon Carry!

101 ChazNOLA  5/27/08 8:00:50 pm reply quote

Well, apparently he was in 3/8 and perhaps speaking in terms the media would understand.

102 Challenger  5/27/08 8:01:10 pm reply quote

You know it always amazes me that the left claim that these folks were forced into murder, the poor dupes. You know, just following orders of the evil ChimpyMcHaliburton.

Do they have no morality of their own? Don't those excuses ring hollow and sound like something from Nuremburg? Just wondering...

And these are who the anti-war crowd choose to enshrine?

103 Dustyvet  5/27/08 8:05:45 pm reply quote

Hmm, I seem to remember the same sort of bull shit being said about Vietnam Veterans.

104 ding  5/27/08 8:09:52 pm reply quote

Mommy v. Daddy politics

I swear, the left aint nothing but a bunch of sissys hanging on their mothers skirt. Momma blow my nose-health care, momma feed me-food stamps, momma wipe my butt-I don't wanna look.

Some times, dad has got to go out and kick him some butt. Mom gets mad and little sissy get pissy but the houehold will make it for another day.

105 gitarfan  5/27/08 8:11:28 pm reply quote

This guy's unit has quite a history from Okinawa in WWll to Lebanon in the 80's and Kosovo in the 90's. India Co. was hit in the bombing in Beruit. You'd think there would be someone from his unit to speak up either for or against this guy. Maybe they have and we don't know it because it doesn't fit the "narrative".

106 armytramp  5/27/08 8:13:16 pm reply quote

Thanks, Huffington Post. I haven't heard racist comments about the Irish and Scots in years. You reminded me how crapp