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Wed, May 28, 2008 at 3:13:43 am PDT

The future, according to some scientists, will be exactly like the past, only far more expensive.

John Sladek

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1 yochanan  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:14:52am

good morning america how are you 2

2 BlueCanuck  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:16:09am

re: #1 yochanan

I am alive, and not dangerous at all.

/unless you have weakend immune system.

3 Karridine  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:17:11am

Intended to drop back into the previous thread, out of which I dropped, then THIS popped up...

Ta-dah! I'm back.

/waddaya mean, Who Cares?

4 laZardo  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:17:43am

re: #1 yochanan

Sleepy as all hell, and it's only 6 in the evening. (x

5 Karridine  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:18:24am

re: #1 yochanan

Say, dontcha know me, I'm yr favorite son...

6 yochanan  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:19:03am

re: #4 laZardo

it is 5.18 am here were are you that it is 6 pm?

7 gop_patriot  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:20:10am

re: #1 yochanan

I was about to reply to the meeting of the past and present Mrs. Yochanans on the last thread. That's too hilarious, I can't imagine what they said to each other!

8 BlueCanuck  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:20:28am

re: #6 yochanan

I will hazard a guess and say in the far east.

/same timezone as beijieng.

9 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:20:53am

The people Obama would talk to cry "Death to America"

Iran warns it won't cooperate with IAEA
(like they ever really did, except in pulling the wool over the West's eyes)

Iran's new parliament speaker Ali Larijani warned Wednesday that Teheran could impose new limits on its cooperation with the UN nuclear watchdog after a critical report from the agency.
"We recommend them not to clandestinely keep passing Iran's nuclear dossier between the IAEA and 5-plus-1 group. This parliament won't allow such deception," Larijani told an open session of parliament broadcast live on state-run radio.
His comments drew chants of "God is great" and "Death to America" from the chamber.


So they're upset the IAEA isn't cooperating in hiding info about Iran's nuclear program, and they chant "Death to America".

Guess who must be #2 on their list of targets.
And Obama wants to talk to them.

10 yochanan  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:21:30am

re: #7 gop_patriot

when the clark asked about two women having the same last name they both turned around at the same time and pointed at me and said HIM!

11 BlueCanuck  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:22:39am

re: #7 gop_patriot

My just seperated with and an ex-girlfriend met one time. Had me worried as heck.

/from an earlier, more wilder time.

12 laZardo  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:23:08am

re: #6 yochanan

re: #8 BlueCanuck

I'm in glorious, steamy Manila. (:

13 Karridine  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:23:14am

re: #9 Kosh's Shadow

Obama is insanely naive, a suitface, empty of character's graven lines or wisdom's hard-earned sheen...

Just a power-hungry puppet, dancing the puppeteers' tune...

14 laZardo  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:23:49am

re: #9 Kosh's Shadow

In other words, they're threatening to act even more suspiciously.

/Oy.

15 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:24:50am

re: #2 BlueCanuck

I am alive, and not dangerous at all.

/unless you have weakend immune system.

{BlueCanuck}

Are you ok?

16 BlueCanuck  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:25:33am

re: #15 goddessoftheclassroom

Just a bug that caught up with me. Should be okay in a day or two.

/don't stay bitten for long.

17 yochanan  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:25:35am

WHEN WE WERE KIDS JUST GETTING A PHONE CALL FROM NEW YORK CITY. was a big thing, now you can talk and see some one from almost anywere in the world and it isn't a big deal.

i am feeling old now.

18 laZardo  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:26:40am

re: #17 yochanan

When I was a kid the computers didn't even have color, let alone super-high-speed broadband internet.

/kinda sorta feels your pain.

19 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:27:27am

re: #11 BlueCanuck

My just seperated with and an ex-girlfriend met one time. Had me worried as heck.

/from an earlier, more wilder time.

A variation on a theme:

I have a former student who is now at the college where my EH teaches. Although there has NEVER been any romantic relationship between us, we have become friends, and my EH was acquainted with him, too,

Every time my friend sees my EH now on campus, he makes sure he established eye contact, then laughs a loudly as he can. The EH just scurries away.

20 yochanan  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:27:48am

and getting a telegram was a big deal.

21 Jim in Virginia  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:27:54am

Morning all.
{goddesss}
Manly handshake to Blue canuck (Pass the Purell.)
Cool, 50ish, windy here in the DC burbs. The flower vase of peonies on the front porch blew over.

22 yochanan  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:29:12am

re: #18 laZardo

my first computer was a apple I the only color was green.

23 BlueCanuck  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:30:06am

re: #17 yochanan

Don't worry, it happens to everyone eventually. I too still remember the nightmare of calling family long distance during the holidays.


/all the available circuits are busy, please try again later.

24 littleoldlady  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:31:12am

re: #17 yochanan

FLASHBACK: My father asking me to "dial New York" for him.

/fat fingers

We never got a telegram as far as I remember.

25 frodolives  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:32:23am

re: #18 laZardo

um, kinda sorta not even in the ballpark. If you can't remember pre-computer, it's just a different ballgame.

26 gop_patriot  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:32:47am

Are we flashing back? I found a picture the other day of my little brother playing Pong on our black and white TV. :)

27 yochanan  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:33:09am

anyone in here ever have a 'party line'?

28 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:33:18am

re: #24 littleoldlady

FLASHBACK: My father asking me to "dial New York" for him.

/fat fingers

We never got a telegram as far as I remember.

I still say "dial"! I wonder if today's teens even understand why.

I did get one telegram in my life--to announce that I won a Westinghouse Family Scholarship. That was such a great thrill.

29 Jim in Virginia  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:33:24am

When I was a kid we didn't have customized cursors that you could download from the net. You took whatever was in the box, and they only came in black.

30 BlueCanuck  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:33:52am

re: #25 frodolives

Umm, I don't think anyone here is that old. :)

/Eniac, nuff said.
//remember dad telling me how punch cards that we got in the mail worked.

31 littleoldlady  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:34:48am

re: #29 Jim in Virginia

WHIPPERSNAPPER!

32 yochanan  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:35:03am

i remember asking my wife about any 'old records' she used to like and my kid asked 'what is a record'

33 opnion  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:35:29am

re: #13 Karridine

Obama is insanely naive, a suitface, empty of character's graven lines or wisdom's hard-earned sheen...

Just a power-hungry puppet, dancing the puppeteers' tune...


Even if you grant Obama good intentions & I actually don't, there are issues.
He appears as naive as a Shakespearean maiden. His lack of history is appalling. He also seems taken with delusional grandeur

34 Karridine  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:35:59am

re: #27 yochanan

I was nine (1953) and Grandma showed me how to turn the crank on the wall-mounted square thing with the talk-cup sticking out the front, hold the ear-thingy to my left ear, and ask the "Operator" for Who-We-Calling...

Yes, it WAS a party line in rural south-western Washington state...

35 Jim in Virginia  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:36:00am

{littleldlady}
I got a telegram once, that a letter I wrote to Time was being published. As I recall, the telegram was delivered with the mail.

36 yochanan  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:36:17am

or a 3 cent stamp to mail a letter and you got two mail deliveries a day

37 laZardo  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:36:21am

re: #29 Jim in Virginia

Remember when the mice had balls?

/none of this optical-wireless hootenanny...

38 Karridine  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:37:06am

re: #33 opnion

Even if you grant Obama good intentions & I actually don't, there are issues.
He appears as naive as a Shakespearean maiden. His lack of history is appalling. He also seems taken with delusional grandeur

Oh, YES! You fleshed out Lord O'bama, Opnion...

/upding and greenheart :D

39 Luigi  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:37:14am

Great post at Fausta's blog. A realtime video of a car trip across the narrow part of Israel..

[Link: faustasblog.com...]

I haven't watch the whole thing yet, but I trust it is entertaining.

40 gop_patriot  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:37:24am

Who the heck dings down an open thread in the middle of the night?

41 opnion  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:37:37am

re: #28 goddessoftheclassroom

I still say "dial"! I wonder if today's teens even understand why.

I did get one telegram in my life--to announce that I won a Westinghouse Family Scholarship. That was such a great thrill.

UH HUH, why do we still cc somebody? They will not get a carbon copy.

42 gop_patriot  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:38:14am

re: #37 laZardo

LOL!

43 littleoldlady  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:38:18am

re: #28 goddessoftheclassroom

Scholarship? Temple U was about $1000/semester, and I had all 4 years in the bank when I started college after working since I was 12.

44 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:39:16am

re: #43 littleoldlady

Scholarship? Temple U was about $1000/semester, and I had all 4 years in the bank when I started college after working since I was 12.

Very impressive!

45 opnion  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:39:19am

re: #38 Karridine

Oh, YES! You fleshed out Lord O'bama, Opnion...

/upding and greenheart :D

Much grass

46 Jim in Virginia  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:39:44am

re: #33 opnion
Ronald Reagan was the master of the anecdote. I always wondered how many of the stories he included in his speeches were true. But few if any of them were about himself.
Self aggrandizing is the best tag I've seen for Obama.

47 frodolives  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:40:17am

re: #30 BlueCanuck

um, I'll bet there are!

never had a party line nor telegram, but dialing, yes.

the big technology controversy when I was in school was whether students with calculators could use them, unfair advantage to those who didn't have one.

48 laZardo  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:40:32am

re: #41 opnion

Much less BCC someone...

49 littleoldlady  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:41:08am

re: #37 laZardo

Um...I'm still using a mouse with a ball.

/dinosaur... :-(

50 littleoldlady  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:41:40am

re: #40 gop_patriot

Who? Where?

51 laZardo  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:42:16am

re: #43 littleoldlady

Scholarship? Temple U was about $1000/semester.

Given the exchange rate in this country, one term (actually trimester for some reason, but you get the idea) of college here costs about as much. XD

Which means I'd better find some way to save up money so I can even begin to apply for a masters' course Stateside...especially since the aid well dries up once you have a bachelor's...

52 Jim in Virginia  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:42:27am

In high school chemistry our teacher spent a week instructing us in using a slide rule. In algebra we spent two weeks on logarithms.
Lost arts now, both.

53 opnion  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:42:40am

re: #46 Jim in Virginia

Ronald Reagan was the master of the anecdote. I always wondered how many of the stories he included in his speeches were true. But few if any of them were about himself.
Self aggrandizing is the best tag I've seen for Obama.


Yeah and Regan started the personal anecdotal stories,
"Or like Bob Connor of Scranton, who now works two jobs said........"

54 laZardo  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:42:46am

re: #49 littleoldlady

Oddly enough, so am I (at work anyway). With the PS/2 port, nonetheless. O_o

55 frodolives  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:42:57am

re: #41 opnion


good one.

56 opnion  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:43:36am

re: #48 laZardo

Much less BCC someone...

How about the ink well in the school desk?

57 yochanan  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:44:34am

re: #40 gop_patriot

roflmao you sort of asked for it lol

58 gop_patriot  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:45:41am

re: #50 littleoldlady

Up top, a -1 from someone for the open thread. Looks like Karridine has neutralized it though. LOL

/just kind of a weird thing to down-ding, but whatever :)

59 yochanan  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:46:55am

have a good one lizardia back later

60 gop_patriot  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:47:08am

re: #57 yochanan

roflmao you sort of asked for it lol

HA! Cruelty, thy name is yochanan. I'm crushed... ;)

61 frodolives  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:48:14am

re: #52 Jim in Virginia

I was thinking of a slide rule, but probably don't remember how to use one. pretty neat to have all that in one compact place.

62 littleoldlady  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:49:41am

re: #60 gop_patriot

Fixed ;-)

63 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:49:50am

On Fox:

Israeli Defense Minister Calls On Prime Minister Olmert to Resign Over Corruption Probe

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
Hmmmmmmm.

64 x-ray  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:50:05am

Good night all.

65 laZardo  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:50:15am

re: #56 opnion

Here we had those little trench-thingys near the front where you could put pencils. The side facing the seat was also open like a shelf rather than having to open the table surface.

66 laZardo  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:51:03am

re: #58 gop_patriot

XWarzone again. I remember him from yesterday's (or was that Monday's?) thread. Hmm...

67 gop_patriot  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:51:15am

re: #62 littleoldlady

Bless you. ;)

re: #64 x-ray

Goodnight, x-ray!

68 godfrey  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:51:58am

re: #52 Jim in Virginia

interesting rant by theodore gray

69 littleoldlady  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:52:52am

re: #63 goddessoftheclassroom

He probably thinks he can get Olmert's job.

70 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:52:57am

re: #30 BlueCanuck

Umm, I don't think anyone here is that old. :)

/Eniac, nuff said.
//remember dad telling me how punch cards that we got in the mail worked.

Eniac was shut down only a few months after I was born, if I remember correctly.

71 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:53:21am

Ok, I've got to pry the Lizard-in-Training and the Baby Lizard from their beds if we're going to get to school on time. Have a great day!


/does anyone have a crowbar?

72 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:54:00am

re: #69 littleoldlady

He probably thinks he can get Olmert's job.

I don't know who the accuser is, but I wish someone strong would get Olmert's job.

73 godfrey  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:54:01am
The most profound engine of civilization is the inability of a larger and larger fraction of the population to do the basic things needed to survive.
74 godfrey  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:54:48am
Technology's greatest contribution is to permit people to be incompetent at a larger and larger range of things. Only by embracing such incompetence is the human race able to progress.
75 Widow'smight  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:57:03am

re: #69 littleoldlady

LittleoldLoverly for PM! Least the Cabinet would get a good fruitcup every morning and a big glow to start the day off right.

76 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:57:19am

re: #56 opnion

How about the ink well in the school desk?

My school had those - ink stained - in the wooden desks with the iron legs bolted to the floor.
They were replacing them by 6th grade, but that's what you get with schools built in the 1920's.
And it was such a Jewish neighborhood that the there were too few students to teach on the Jewish holidays.
Meanwhile, I remember Blue Hill Ave in Boston, miles of Jews on Rosh Hashannah and Yom Kippur.

77 godfrey  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:57:27am
No one can learn to think without having something to think about. If you try to teach someone how to think in the abstract, you are not going to get anywhere. If you try to make education "easy", by removing the content, you are cheating your students out of the most important thing you have to offer: the chance to do something hard. Only by mastering a difficult body of knowledge can a child develop into a confident, thinking adult. The point is, it doesn't necessarily have to be the same difficult body of knowledge that the child's parents learned.
78 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:58:08am

re: #77 godfrey

BRAVO!

79 littleoldlady  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:58:57am

re: #75 Widow'smight

Howdy! :-)

I certainly could do a better job than "Mr 8% approval rating"!

80 godfrey  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:59:50am

re: #78 goddessoftheclassroom

That's from my link, above. It's a really bracing read.

81 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:00:28am

re: #77 godfrey

I was reading how they want to make science education easier and more interesting - again. This is to reverse the decline in students who know science. How do they teach science in places where students learn it? I think they use the old methods.
They change the teaching methods, get worse results, change again, it gets worse, repeat until we end up with people who actually believe TV ads are telling the truth.

82 laZardo  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:02:53am

Gotta head home from internship work, will try to catch up later on.

In the meantime...

The future, according to some scientists, will be exactly like the past, only far more expensive.

83 godfrey  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:03:12am

re: #81 Kosh's Shadow

Who is "they"? The authors of that rant?

84 Widow'smight  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:04:30am

re: #79 littleoldlady

Free Hostas for everyone!

BTW, the ones you sent are really nice, even the MRS and mini-mom made a comment. I don't what those other things are yet, but they're growing.

Wasn't there a Sherlock Holmes story for Ohlmert, the 8% solution?

85 gop_patriot  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:04:57am

re: #79 littleoldlady

I'd vote for you!

...Talk to y'all later, have a great morning, lizards. I'm outta here. :)

86 Lucius Septimius  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:07:31am

Morning all. Quick visit before running off.

How's everyone this morning?

87 JamesTKirk  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:07:42am

re: #1 yochanan

good morning america how are you

Well don't you know me, I'm your native son...

88 godfrey  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:08:14am

re: #86 Lucius Septimius

Hi Lucius, anecdotal evidence from Godfrey Corner indicates everything A-OK.

89 littleoldlady  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:09:11am

'Night, gop! :-)

re: #84 Widow'smight

Those "other things" (I thought it was some kind of scabiosa, but now I'm not sure) have really taken off in my garden. Your lilies are growing great, too! Dahlias just went in - can't wait for those to bloom. :-)

90 JamesTKirk  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:10:47am

re: #37 laZardo

Remember when the mice had balls?

/none of this optical-wireless hootenanny...

Remember when the GOP had balls?

/heh. rhetorical question.

91 JamesTKirk  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:11:24am

re: #40 gop_patriot

Who the heck dings down an open thread in the middle of the night?

The same nobody who was downdinging open threads the other day, apparently.

92 Lucius Septimius  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:13:06am

re: #91 JamesTKirk

The same nobody who was downdinging open threads the other day, apparently.

Some folks obviously have WAY too much time on their hands.

93 JamesTKirk  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:13:40am

re: #81 Kosh's Shadow

I was reading how they want to make science education easier and more interesting - again. This is to reverse the decline in students who know science. How do they teach science in places where students learn it? I think they use the old methods.
They change the teaching methods, get worse results, change again, it gets worse, repeat until we end up with people who actually believe TV ads are telling the truth.

Anything old is bad! Change is always good! That's progress!

94 Lucius Septimius  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:13:47am

re: #88 godfrey

I tend to value the anecdotes over the statistics.

95 Jim in Virginia  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:13:56am

As bad as Olmert is, will whoever replaces him be any better?
I'm reminded of the Jimmy Carter quote: In a democracy, people get the kind of government they deserve.

96 JamesTKirk  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:14:37am

re: #92 Lucius Septimius

Some folks obviously have WAY too much time on their hands.

Then let them go back and get the damned whales.

97 Widow'smight  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:15:10am

re: #89 littleoldlady

Mystery Plants! Maybe they're Hopium, and Oblamo might get some extra votes from us bible-tumpin, gun-totin Klingons.

Did he tell us how his Great.......Grand Uncle was with George Washington at Yorktown when the Bismarck shelled Yorktown.

98 littleoldlady  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:16:16am

re: #97 Widow'smight

NOTHING would surprise me at this point!

99 JamesTKirk  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:16:34am

re: #95 Jim in Virginia

As bad as Olmert is, will whoever replaces him be any better?

Doesn't Israel try to alternate between leaders who value security and leaders who want to commit national suicide?

100 Lucius Septimius  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:17:33am

re: #81 Kosh's Shadow

I was reading how they want to make science education easier and more interesting - again. This is to reverse the decline in students who know science. How do they teach science in places where students learn it? I think they use the old methods.
.

And when they get to college they face the old methods anyway. Now amount of "gendering" and "social constructivism" will make your reactions work or balance your equations.

My science curriculum is pretty much based on observation and classification, biology and some chemistry now, turning to geology/cosmology once we get through the vertebrates (finishing up invertebrates now). Old school. And he has to take notes and tests.

101 Lucius Septimius  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:17:56am

re: #96 JamesTKirk

Then let them go back and get the damned whales.

heh.

102 Lucius Septimius  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:20:11am

OK, so I have some nimrod who missed the final exam because she was "sick," schedules a make-up, doesn't show up or contact me, sends me an email two weeks later to ask if she can take the exam today. Oh, and she can't come up with a doctor's excuse to explain why she missed the final. her latest is "can I just give the grade without the exam." Sure, and that'll knock 20% off the average, which given the fact that her average is hovering around C to begin with would pretty much result in a big fat juicy F.

Mo-ron.

103 littleO  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:21:12am

Feeling pretty good this morning. Anyone want to knock me off my thimble?

104 Jim in Virginia  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:21:23am

re: #99 JamesTKirk
Where are this decade's Winston Churchill, Golda Meir, Ronald Reagan, and Maggie Thatcher?
Did they all decide to blow off the public sector and go work for Microsoft?

105 Widow'smight  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:21:24am

re: #98 littleoldlady

It's like someone took a big chalkboard, drew a pair of Giant Ears on it, and every American/Jewish hating person in the world wrote something into his head.

Glad there's still real men in this country, ya know the ones that say "Yes Dear" and "I love you" to their beautiful brides. Kinda like T.O.M. Men comfortable in their own skins.

106 Lucius Septimius  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:22:28am

re: #103 littleO

Feeling pretty good this morning. Anyone want to knock me off my thimble?

Nope. This is the day the Lord has made.

107 Lucius Septimius  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:24:09am

re: #105 Widow'smight

It's like someone took a big chalkboard, drew a pair of Giant Ears on it, and every American/Jewish hating person in the world wrote something into his head.

His head is big enough and empty enough that there would be room for all.

Glad there's still real men in this country, ya know the ones that say "Yes Dear" and "I love you" to their beautiful brides. Kinda like T.O.M. Men comfortable in their own skins.

I do all that stuff, and it ain't doing me a helluva lotta good these days.

108 JamesTKirk  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:24:18am

re: #102 Lucius Septimius

At the end of one semester, my teacher was going over his records and discovered that I hadn't handed in one of the assignments. He wrote in an A-minus, because he said that he knew I could do it. (The reason I only got an A-minus is because he figured he should dock me some points for, you know, not actually doing it.)

[Link: db.rambleschmack.net...]

109 BlueCanuck  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:24:27am

re: #105 Widow'smight

Heh, heh, or tell them how beautiful they look first thing in the morning?

/always a winner. :D

110 Jim in Virginia  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:24:36am

re: #102 Lucius Septimius

OK, so I have some nimrod who missed the final exam because she was "sick," schedules a make-up, doesn't show up or contact me, sends me an email two weeks later to ask if she can take the exam today. Oh, and she can't come up with a doctor's excuse to explain why she missed the final. her latest is "can I just give the grade without the exam." Sure, and that'll knock 20% off the average, which given the fact that her average is hovering around C to begin with would pretty much result in a big fat juicy F.

Mo-ron.

We hired her brother. Scheduled a start date. It came and went, he didn't show. We called, he said he had to wrap some stuff up at the old job but he'd be there the next Monday. Next week- still a no show.

111 Lucius Septimius  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:24:50am

re: #107 Lucius Septimius

That's weird -- the formatting ended up all funky.

Blockquote, comment
Blockquote, comment

112 JamesTKirk  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:25:13am

re: #104 Jim in Virginia

Where are this decade's Winston Churchill, Golda Meir, Ronald Reagan, and Maggie Thatcher?

They know better than to go into politics and watch their family and friends get destroyed.

/That's my excuse, and I'm sticking to it.

113 littleoldlady  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:25:34am

re: #105 Widow'smight

It doesn't bother me that he's running. It doesn't even bother me that he's a liar/lightweight/Marxist, etc. What bothers me (TO NO END) is that my fellow Americans are buying into his nonsense!

/ugh. blood pressure spike! :-(

114 Lucius Septimius  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:26:05am

re: #110 Jim in Virginia

We hired her brother. Scheduled a start date. It came and went, he didn't show. We called, he said he had to wrap some stuff up at the old job but he'd be there the next Monday. Next week- still a no show.

You wonder what these people are thinking.

115 JamesTKirk  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:27:01am

re: #114 Lucius Septimius

You wonder what IF these people are thinking.

Fixed that for you.

116 BlueCanuck  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:27:11am

re: #113 littleoldlady

Here, have some chocolate. :)

/garunteeed to make you feel better and more mellow.

117 Jim in Virginia  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:27:17am

re: #113 littleoldlady
Deep breaths.
I envy you your garden. We have too much shade and two dogs. The yard is a wreck.

118 Lucius Septimius  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:27:50am

re: #113 littleoldlady

It doesn't bother me that he's running. It doesn't even bother me that he's a liar/lightweight/Marxist, etc. What bothers me (TO NO END) is that my fellow Americans are buying into his nonsense!

/ugh. blood pressure spike! :-(

They want to believe in magic, and he appears to them as a magician who on the basis of his charisma, with a word can fix all the ills of the world.

(keep in mind, these are the sorts of people who thought Fleetwood Mac offered potent political philosophy)

Thaumaturgic sovereignty -- it's not just for the sixteenth century any more.

119 Jim in Virginia  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:29:22am

re: #118 Lucius Septimius


Thaumaturgic sovereignty .


What a great phrase. Would you define it please?

120 littleoldlady  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:30:01am

re: #114 Lucius Septimius

You wonder what these people are thinking.

"WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?!" (The question that my daughter's teacher asked her when she showed up for a final on Friday that was given the previous Wednesday.)

Obviously, thinking never came into play.

/Reason #27 - Why I'm losing my hair...

I'm hoping (HOPIUM! HOPIUM!) it was a lesson learned forever.

121 Widow'smight  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:30:14am

re: #107 Lucius Septimius

Patience Grasshopper. You might think the same thing with your own kids, but they will take on you and your loverly bride's best traits as they grow up. Enjoy them know so when they grow up and leave you can take comfort that you did your best.

You might be trying to put Mercedes parts in a Yugo with your students.

122 littleoldlady  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:31:50am

re: #117 Jim in Virginia

I have practically all shade, too. (The dog is tied up - it's the deer that do real damage). You should have told me! LOTS of hostas to give away...

123 littleoldlady  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:32:27am

re: #116 BlueCanuck

{BlueCanuck!}

124 opnion  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:33:05am

re: #113 littleoldlady

It doesn't bother me that he's running. It doesn't even bother me that he's a liar/lightweight/Marxist, etc. What bothers me (TO NO END) is that my fellow Americans are buying into his nonsense!

/ugh. blood pressure spike! :-(


To the true believers nothing can change them. If Barry sacraficed puppies, live on prime time television, his acolytes would claim that it was all out of context and besides Bush lied.

125 Widow'smight  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:33:42am

re: #109 BlueCanuck

Telling your sweetheart she's beautiful works anytime (unless she's mad at you). But remember, wimmin folk got that sweet thang gig all over us guys. I don't know how many times I've thought to myself "How'd she talk me into that?".
A wonderful woman is the best thing a man could ever have.

126 The Albatross  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:34:38am

Good morning lizards, 72 degrees in NW Florida at 6:30 am... it's summer already.

127 madisonsfriend  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:34:50am

Ok, so I am thinking about Sunday which is the Israel celebration on the Mall. Now I can pass by the Pali genocide and holocaust signs(with a frown, the word "moron", or something similar- the finger, the F U was what we gave Answer and Dawn at some event). However, I saw a photo Zombie(I think) took of a poster a creep had at some Pali thing that used the word "kike". If I see that, I plan to ask the person to take something(like the menu from my local Chinese restaurant) - as if it was a flyer -and I am going to take the sign and rip it up. What will the police do to me? Unlike any of the sign holders(I am sure), I am a full time more than decently employed person of impeccable reputation with no criminal record- my last ticket was 7 years ago for going through a stop sign(I contend I stopped- the officer said I rolled through- I did not argue). Don't you think a police officer would agree that I shouldn't have to see a sign with that word? I am an older woman so I am easily shocked and upset(ok,I'm not but the officer won't know)

128 Jim in Virginia  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:36:23am

re: #122 littleoldlady
Seriously? I'll be driving a daughter up to Easton PA (she is going to psychology camp for three weeks) in late July. Philly is on the way.

129 Widow'smight  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:36:31am

re: #113 littleoldlady

The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want. Some guy named after me wrote that.

130 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:37:07am

re: #27 yochanan

Me! As a kid!

131 JamesTKirk  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:37:09am

re: #128 Jim in Virginia

"Psychology camp"?

132 madisonsfriend  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:37:18am

re: #116 BlueCanuck

A chocolate hedgehog! I love it- I want it.

133 Lucius Septimius  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:37:31am

re: #119 Jim in Virginia

A "thaumaturge" is a worker of magic, and in the late Renaissance (ca. 1550-1650) the idea developed of the king having essentially magical powers; his power extended beyond merely making laws etc., but provided a means for balancing forces on a cosmic level. The theory of thaumaturgic sovereignty was that the ruler's authority derived from his semi-divine qualities, his ability to work white magic to counter the black-magic of the Devil and his allies, his ability to maintain through his charisma the balance of natural forces and ensure tranquility and abundance for his people. It's all a perversion of Kaballah with a melange of neo-Platonism and Hermeticism thrown in there. Dumb idea, but one that has stuck with us.

The deification of Man in the Renaissance laid the foundation for a modern political theory that views government, and in particular the ruler, as having powers greater than those of ordinary mortals, granting them the ability to change things over which they have no control. But people still want to believe in the magical power of the state to "fix" nature and perfect mankind.

134 Widow'smight  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:38:45am

re: #122 littleoldlady


All your sun belongs to me. Tater plants are 2 foot high.

135 freetoken  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:38:48am

Space station crew to NASA: Send plumber soon

(AP) -- The international space station's lone toilet is broken, leaving the crew with almost nowhere to go. So NASA may order an in-orbit plumbing service call when space shuttle Discovery visits next week.

Until then, the three-man crew will have to make do with a jury-rigged system when they need to urinate.
[...]

"Like any home anywhere the importance of having a working bathroom is obvious," NASA spokesman Allard Beutel said.

Plumbing... the foundation of civilization - don't leave home without it.

136 JamesTKirk  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:39:57am

re: #135 freetoken

Space station crew to NASA: Send plumber soon


Plumbing... the foundation of civilization - don't leave home without it.

Can't they just step outside to pee?

/or beam it away?

137 littleoldlady  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:40:24am

re: #128 Jim in Virginia

Sure, seriously! I'm just a few miles off I-95. In fact, if you're taking I-476 from 95 to the turnpike you'll pass right by me.

/now, can I keep this stuff alive in pots until late July...? ;-)

138 Lucius Septimius  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:40:56am

re: #121 Widow'smight

You might be trying to put Mercedes parts in a Yugo with your students.

With this one, it's more like putting Mercedes parts in a decayed Trabant up on blocks with goats nesting in it.

139 madisonsfriend  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:40:58am

re: #136 JamesTKirk
or open the window?

140 Dr. Shalit  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:41:22am

re: #27 yochanan

anyone in here ever have a 'party line'?

"Yo -

Lots of us do - it's now called a "CONFERENCE CALL!"
'Nuff said.

-S-

141 madisonsfriend  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:41:23am

re: #138 Lucius Septimius

Do goats nest?

142 littleoldlady  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:41:45am

re: #127 madisonsfriend

I'm an "older woman", too. And short. And blonde. It's the blonde part that let's me get away with stuff. Or...it used to. :-(

Me, I would deck the guy.

143 Lucius Septimius  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:42:07am

re: #136 JamesTKirk

Can't they just step outside to pee?

/or beam it away?

Just for you, Cap'n.

144 opnion  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:42:29am

re: #140 Dr. Shalit

"Yo -

Lots of us do - it's now called a "CONFERENCE CALL!"
'Nuff said.

-S-

Go to Meeting!

145 Lucius Septimius  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:42:43am

re: #141 madisonsfriend

Do goats nest?

After a fashion -- they will move in.

146 littleoldlady  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:42:49am

re: #134 Widow'smight

Stop rubbing it in, will you?

I either have to move the garden or cut down my fruit trees. As it is, I may have tomatoes by September...

147 BlueCanuck  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:42:52am

re: #133 Lucius Septimius

Most people are afeerd of changing themselves. That too is why they look up to the government and state to take care of them. So much for the old days of rugged individualists.

148 Jim in Virginia  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:42:54am

re: #131 JamesTKirk

"Psychology camp"?


Johns Hopkins enrichment program. They offer around 20 math, science, humanities courses. She picked psych. The real appeal is being away from home for three weeks.

149 madisonsfriend  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:43:31am

re: #148 Jim in Virginia

CTY is a good program. Plus your kid is away for 3 weeks.

150 Widow'smight  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:43:55am

re: #138 Lucius Septimius

We have lots of those cars up here in PA too. Do they have a brand new Satellite dish on their rundown trailer too?

151 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:44:29am

re: #143 Lucius Septimius

Cool! Remember this. My sister had the album.

152 Panhandler  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:44:42am

re: #141 madisonsfriend
In short - Yes

153 Lucius Septimius  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:45:31am

re: #147 BlueCanuck

Most people are afeerd of changing themselves. That too is why they look up to the government and state to take care of them. So much for the old days of rugged individualists.

Genuine individualists have always been in short supply. If my ancestors who crossed the Appalachians back when there was naught but pissed-off injuns on the other side were individualists, it's because there was no one friendly-like closer than a two days ride to be corporativist with.

154 BlueCanuck  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:45:37am

Well time for me to crawl off folks. it's been a slice. See you all next time.

155 Lucius Septimius  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:46:10am

re: #148 Jim in Virginia

Johns Hopkins enrichment program. They offer around 20 math, science, humanities courses. She picked psych. The real appeal is being away from home for three weeks.

My oldest is going to football camp, then basketball camp, then baseball camp.

156 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:46:11am

re: #102 Lucius Septimius

I teach online and I get the same stuff. Someone wonders how to get his grade up, when he has receive weekly grade reports pointing out missing assignments, and never brought up any reasons earlier.
The school does not allow assignments to be turned in after the last day of class without a contract for an incomplete. So he failed.
Whereas people who contact me earlier, with valid reasons, get extensions.
I had one person who loads C-17s, and he had to take a flight periodically. He told me in advance, so he got the extension.

157 tappin52  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:46:16am

re: #118 Lucius Septimius

They want to believe in magic, and he appears to them as a magician who on the basis of his charisma, with a word can fix all the ills of the world.


Those that annoy me more than than the magic believers are those who think that voting for his race is monumentally more important than his social or political positions.

158 Jim in Virginia  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:46:38am

re: #149 madisonsfriend

CTY is a good program. Plus your kid is away for 3 weeks.


Both my girls qualified. One was ready to pack her bags in March, the other has no interest in going.

159 JamesTKirk  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:47:02am

re: #157 tappin52

Those that annoy me more than than the magic believers are those who think that voting for his race is monumentally more important than his social or political positions.

Racists! (If they're white, that is.)

160 Widow'smight  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:47:44am

re: #146 littleoldlady

Shade is good for the lawn, unless it rains alot. My yard takes quite a beating some summers.

Besides, you know where to get lots of fresh stuff, and I bet you'd even get dinner too.

161 madisonsfriend  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:47:49am

re: #152 Panhandler

Thanks-I love the photo. We live in suburbia but at one point , goats were hired(well, I guess their owner) to eat plants/grass in our park. the park people would put up temporary fences each day and the goats would be put into that area to "mow".

162 godfrey  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:49:13am

jim

CTY?

I loved it.

163 Jim in Virginia  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:49:29am

re: #137 littleoldlady

Sure, seriously! I'm just a few miles off I-95. In fact, if you're taking I-476 from 95 to the turnpike you'll pass right by me.

/now, can I keep this stuff alive in pots until late July...? ;-)


We'll be on 476. Throw them off the overpass as we drive by. I think we come up July 20.

164 Lucius Septimius  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:49:30am

re: #157 tappin52

Those that annoy me more than than the magic believers are those who think that voting for his race is monumentally more important than his social or political positions.

Though it's connected -- his social and political positions are by definition superior because of his race. His race alone is the source of his magical powers.

(Interesting how the power of race trumped the power of gender in this one).

Liminal people -- people on the fringes of society, or on the borders between groups -- are always magically potent in the shamanistic tradition.

165 Widow'smight  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:49:47am

re: #160 Widow'smight


Back sentence construction there. Should be a period after lawn and a comma after alot.

166 madisonsfriend  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:49:50am

re: #142 littleoldlady

I'm an "older woman", too. And short. And blonde. It's the blonde part that let's me get away with stuff. Or...it used to. :-(

Me, I would deck the guy.

well, I am hoping not to get arrested - hitting constitutes assault- tearing up his sign- maybe not even destruction of property. I'll give him a buck for the poster board.

167 pingjockey  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:50:00am

obamarama talking out his ass again. Talking about being a collectivst. Why doesn't he just come out and say he is for government confiscation of private wealth? Oh, wait the USSR tried that, its called COMMUNISM.

168 Jim in Virginia  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:50:32am

re: #162 godfrey

jim

CTY?

I loved it.


What was the best part?

169 littleoldlady  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:51:09am

See ya, BlueCanuck! :-)

re: #160 Widow'smight

If I could afford the gas I'd be up there this weekend with that kind of offer! :-)

/zoysia all over the place.
//ugly in winter; the envy of my neighbors in August...

170 JamesTKirk  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:51:11am

re: #167 pingjockey

Oh, wait the USSR tried that, its called COMMUNISM.

Yes, but they're convinced that it can still work here. It's just a coincidence that it's failed each and every other place it's been tried.

171 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:51:16am

re: #165 Widow'smight

Back sentence construction there. Should be a period after lawn and a comma after alot.

And alot is not a word! hee hee!

172 Lucius Septimius  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:51:23am

Off to face the day. Have a great day, all.

173 Lucius Septimius  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:51:36am

re: #171 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

And alot is not a word! hee hee!

It's a piece of real estate.

174 madisonsfriend  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:51:45am

re: #168 Jim in Virginia

well, my daughter learned she didn't like dissection as much as she thought. It gave her an opportunity to get more involved in an area of science than she could in school(at the age/grade she was)

175 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:51:56am

re: #173 Lucius Septimius

Good day to ye!

176 tappin52  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:52:01am

re: #164 Lucius Septimius
But, aren't his magical powers diminished by his mother's genes?

177 littleoldlady  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:52:06am

re: #163 Jim in Virginia

It's a date! :-)

/maybe I'll get some of widow's tomatoes and make a salad ... ;-)

178 Lucius Septimius  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:52:47am

re: #176 tappin52

But, aren't his magical powers diminished by his mother's genes?

The opposite -- being mixed race increases his liminality -- he is neither one or another but stands perpetually on the border between categories.

179 Lucius Septimius  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:53:03am

OK, I'm really out of here. Ciao, babe.

180 sparrowlake  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:53:03am

Good morning lizards.
It's another crisp sunny morning in the Great White North - far too nice to be at my desk pretending to work.
So I'm not even gonna pretend.

181 pingjockey  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:53:05am

I thought obamarama got his majikal powers from the lsm?

182 madisonsfriend  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:53:41am

Ok, back to wage earning. If anyone is coming to the Sunday event. look for me- although I guess there will be a lot of older short, darkish haired Jewish women. I will be the one tearing up the moonbat signs.

183 littleoldlady  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:54:58am

re: #182 madisonsfriend

TAKE PICTURES! :-)

184 Jim in Virginia  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:55:52am

re: #182 madisonsfriend
How close to DC are you? Want to meet on the mall?

185 pingjockey  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:56:15am

re: #182 madisonsfriend
Late to thread, early here in PDT zone, what event? Are you having a moonbat coven meeting in your area?

186 littleoldlady  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:56:43am

I've been here about 2 hours longer than allowed :-( but I got to 'see' a lot of people I usually miss. :-)

/silver lining

Good day, ALL!™

187 freetoken  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:57:15am

re: #143 Lucius Septimius

Something tells me Charles will never feature that song in one of his music threads...

188 The Albatross  Wed, May 28, 2008 4:59:39am

Oh no, cross dressing in Saudi Arabia? Heh.
Tough stance on those who mimic opposite sex

*snip*

"The police could not explain why cross-dressing was growing in popularity, although Lt Gen Tamim believes that co-education and a lack of parental guidance could be factors.

Cross-dressers, or “the third sex” as they are often called, cause confusion for teachers, parents and pupils. The practice of dressing as a member of the opposite sex is particularly evident in all-male schools, but in girls’ high schools “boyat” – an Arabic slang term – is becoming increasingly commonplace.

Dressed to appear masculine, with short, boyish haircuts and an attitude to match, the female boyat befriends and flirts with other girls. However, innocent flirtation can lead to physical relations and even sexual assault.

Young men, dressed in flamboyant feminine clothes with matching make-up, have become an increasingly common image.

Lt Gen Tamim called on the MSA to look into the possibility that co-education was to blame. “Some studies conducted in the West indicate that mixing girls and boys can encourage this behaviour.”

The police chief suggested the introduction five years ago of mixed-sex education for children between first and sixth grade could be one reason for the sudden growth in cross-dressing.

“This phenomenon was not apparent until mixed education was introduced,” he said. “A boy brought up around girls, and a girl brought up around boys, will be affected by the behaviour of the opposite sex, which could cause confusion.”

189 Widow'smight  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:00:15am

re: #169 littleoldlady

Had that stuff at my other house, one summer it didn't rain for two months. First good rain and that zoysia was perfect, while the other grass was brown.

Don't you and TallOLDMan have a Vespa yet? I heard they get like 90 mpg. Course, don't know where you'd put the maters.

190 Jim in Virginia  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:00:31am

I'm off to ravage the environment. Take care lizards.

191 pingjockey  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:01:59am

re: #190 Jim in Virginia
Ravage well!

192 rightside  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:02:08am

Morning Lizards

193 JamesTKirk  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:02:35am

re: #178 Lucius Septimius

The opposite -- being mixed race increases his liminality -- he is neither one or another but stands perpetually on the border between categories.

Like Spock. Hybrid vigor.

194 JamesTKirk  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:02:56am

re: #184 Jim in Virginia

How close to DC are you? Want to meet on the mall?

You still owe me lunch.

195 Widow'smight  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:03:11am

re: #171 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

And my Momma is a retired English teacher. Please don't tell her.

196 pingjockey  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:03:31am

Mornin' RS.

197 rightside  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:04:52am

re: #196 pingjockey
morning ping, your transducer is Lima Charlie

198 pingjockey  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:07:50am

re: #197 rightside
Hah! My SiL Bro in law and his son flew to Pearl yesterday to do the Tiger cruise on the Nimitz. My Sil brother is a Senior Chief AT. So the little guy will have a ball. He's nine IIRC.

199 Widow'smight  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:10:12am

re: #197 rightside

I liked Optimus Prime.

200 rightside  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:10:24am

re: #198 pingjockey

Excellent, he should have a great time, and still won't be able to see everything on there. It's like a damn city on those things.

201 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:11:06am
202 Panhandler  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:11:13am

re: #192 rightside
Hi right. I see where your last command is planning a reunion. You going?

203 rightside  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:11:27am

re: #199 Widow'smight

What's that?

204 fat bastard vegetarian  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:11:36am

re: #195 Widow'smight

Tis OK, I had four years of Grammar I.

205 JamesTKirk  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:12:00am

re: #201 taxfreekiller

Of some note:

Saw a blurb last night on local TV, about a minor league base ball club who did a promotion and used a "bobble FOOT" doll of Larry Craig,

it was just a thing that looked like a airport restroom stall, there were these two feet showing and if you flipped one of the feet it would
do a vibrate little shake..........

they said through a spokesperson,,"we were just doing a shoe promotion, it was not meant to make light of gays""""


Ya, some still live in freedom yet

Got a link? I know people who'd love that.

206 pingjockey  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:12:18am

re: #200 rightside
Had to go over to the Nimitz in the PG twice, once to get the the Chancellorsville and once for an intel brief. Hated it both times. You couldn't have paid me enough to be stationed on a carrier.

207 JamesTKirk  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:13:03am

re: #205 JamesTKirk

Never mind, found it.

208 pingjockey  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:13:09am

re: #203 rightside
She confused transducer and Transformer!

209 Widow'smight  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:13:22am

re: #203 rightside

Just goofin on Transducer, Optimus Prime is a Transformer.

210 rightside  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:13:41am

re: #202 Panhandler

Hi right. I see where your last command is planning a reunion. You going?

Hell yes! that's back when the ships were wooden, and the men were made of iron!

211 pingjockey  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:14:33am

re: #207 JamesTKirk
Okay it was much ado about nothing, it is in poor taste, but I think it is funny.

212 rightside  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:14:36am

re: #209 Widow'smight

step-down transformer?

213 JamesTKirk  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:14:45am

re: #208 pingjockey

She confused transducer and Transformer!

"The transducer
Will seduce ya
It's something you'll get used ta"
-Dr. Frank N. Furter

214 Widow'smight  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:15:07am

re: #208 pingjockey

I'd be the ugliest she you ever saw. Nic's a play on a biblical character.

Must get Mini-mom on the bus, will be beautiful here, hope all of you get the same weather.

215 Panhandler  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:15:32am

re: #210 rightside
Heck, this thread is turning into a minature Fleet Week. If redc1c4 shows up we'll teach him what white smoke is all about.

216 JamesTKirk  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:15:57am

re: #211 pingjockey

Okay it was much ado about nothing, it is in poor taste, but I think it is funny.

I think it's worth a snicker. Of course, that's what I think of most things.

I also have an occasional nervous twitch in my leg; I have to make sure I keep it under control when I'm in public restrooms now...

217 pingjockey  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:16:03am

re: #214 Widow'smight
Take care.

218 fat bastard vegetarian  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:17:11am

re: #211 pingjockey

I can hear Senator Craig now..."Why are the gays upset, I AM NOT GAY!"

I personally only have a problem with closeted gays. Have a gay friend with this bumper sticker, "I don't mind straight people, as long as they act gay in public".

219 rightside  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:17:20am

re: #205 JamesTKirk


Larry Craig bobblefoot

220 pingjockey  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:17:27am

re: #216 JamesTKirk
Mwahahaha! The better half has RLS and about twice a week I get kicked. Then again maybe she's fibbing and just kicking me!

221 rightside  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:18:38am

re: #215 Panhandler

You can take the sailor out of the Navy, but you can't take the Navy out of the sailor!

222 pingjockey  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:20:50am

re: #221 rightside
Nope. I still on occasion call floors decks, rope is now and forever line. It sticks with you. The boys were going through my cruise books and found the pics of crossing the line ceremony. I thought they were gonna pee themselves, they were laughing so hard.

223 Panhandler  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:21:09am

re: #221 rightside

I retired in Pensacola. Worked on the base for another 15 years. Used to have to apologize on the phone about the noise of the Blue Angles doing their Tue/Wed practice. Our building was one of their reference points. Loved it!

224 pingjockey  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:21:53am

re: #223 Panhandler
Now that is cool. We only get free airshows when we have a forest fire!

225 Panhandler  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:22:33am

re: #222 pingjockey

It's a LADDER you stupid squid. LADDER - don't forget it!

226 rightside  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:23:07am

re: #222 pingjockey

Fortunately, I was able to go through that ceremony back before it became wussified*

(*official rightside lexicon)

I'm a loyal and trusted Shellback!

227 Neo Con since 9-11  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:23:10am

Not sure if it's been posted yet but Charles, you got a hat tip from Malkin.

Rachael Ray, Dunkin' Donuts and the Keffiyeh Kerfuffle

Dunkin' Donuts won't identify where Ray's scarf was purchased, but issued this statement after blogger Charles Johnson at Little Green Footballs (littlegreenfootballs.com) and I, along with many other bloggers and consumers, called attention to it:

"Thank you for expressing your concern about the Dunkin' Donuts advertisement with Rachael Ray. In the ad that you reference, Rachael is wearing a black-and-white silk scarf with a paisley design that was purchased at a U.S. retail store. It was selected by the stylist for the advertising shoot. Absolutely no symbolism was intended. However, given the possibility of misperception, we will no longer use the commercial."

228 JamesTKirk  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:23:20am

re: #224 pingjockey

Now that is cool. We only get free airshows when we have a forest fire!

I get a free air show when I drive past Andrews AFB on the DC Beltway.

229 Panhandler  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:24:09am

re: #225 Panhandler

OOPS - mayhap "squid" was not the term I was looking for.

230 pingjockey  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:24:26am

re: #225 Panhandler
Hahaha! Yeppers. Was giving the local recruiter grief during the Apple Blossom Festival. The Corps has a tricked out Hummvee, the AF has a tricked out suburban. The Nav didn't have shit!

231 rightside  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:24:46am

re: #223 Panhandler

They still fire the 16" guns here for testing. Rattles windows for miles.

232 doriangrey  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:25:10am

Good morning Lizards..............

233 pingjockey  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:26:00am

re: #226 rightside
We had a "underground" initiation down in the bilges and CS berthing. I'm sure the powers that be knew but looked the other way!

234 pingjockey  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:26:42am

re: #232 doriangrey
Hey DG! How's things down in insane diego?

235 Panhandler  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:26:54am

re: #231 rightside

Aberdeen?

236 kcladderman  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:27:14am

re: #200 rightside
I was on one for almost four years and still didn't see everything.

237 Panhandler  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:29:08am

re: #236 kcladderman

Now that's a truck. Hobby or avocation?

238 pingjockey  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:29:42am

re: #236 kcladderman
My bro was on the Nimitz with his air wing and said libery call really sucked. Especially if they had to anchor out. Went by rank to get on the liberty boats.

239 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:30:13am

re: #227 Neo Con since 9-11

Not sure if it's been posted yet but Charles, you got a hat tip from Malkin.

Rachael Ray, Dunkin' Donuts and the Keffiyeh Kerfuffle

The Boston Globe even mentioned this, but only Michelle Malkin, not LGF.
Read it here

240 pingjockey  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:31:50am

re: #239 Kosh's Shadow
No misperception my ass. That isn't a paisley scarf. It is one of those damn arafish headscarves!

241 doriangrey  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:32:24am

re: #234 pingjockey

Hey DG! How's things down in insane diego?

Morning ping, unusually cloudy and cool. Night time temps in the high 40's day time temperatures in the high 60's. Other than that, pretty much the same Insanity as usual. The Mayor is still a liar, the city council corrupt and the city is still bankrupt and doing everything it can to shake down the inmates who live here. In other words, pretty much business us usual...

242 kcladderman  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:32:35am

re: #237 Panhandler

20 years Kansas City Fire Department

243 rightside  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:33:11am

re: #235 Panhandler

Dahlgren, Va.

244 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:33:39am

re: #239 Kosh's Shadow

The Boston Globe even mentioned this, but only Michelle Malkin, not LGF.
Read it here

What is their phobia about LGF?

245 JamesTKirk  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:33:53am

re: #240 pingjockey

No misperception my ass. That isn't a paisley scarf. It is one of those damn arafish headscarves!

What did you expect from the Boston Globe?

246 songbird  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:33:56am

Good morning, Lizards!

My dear husband and I were contemplating the return of the stocks for some of the hoodlum kids in our area. School's out and kids rove in packs like wild animals.

247 pingjockey  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:34:12am

re: #241 doriangrey
Sounds like business as usual. I don't remember the city being broke when I left in '97. But that doesn't mean shit.

248 Panhandler  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:34:33am

re: #241 doriangrey

But you got a Zoo and can buy oranges at any on ramp, how many people in Dearbornistan can say that?

249 kcladderman  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:34:39am

re: #238 pingjockey

You stand in line for everything, and by line I mean long lines.
Just to pick something up from the ships store might take you and hour of line standing for five minutes of shopping.

250 pingjockey  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:34:58am

re: #245 JamesTKirk
Not much. Isn't the globe owned by the Slimes?

251 opnion  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:35:10am

re: #216 JamesTKirk

I think it's worth a snicker. Of course, that's what I think of most things.

I also have an occasional nervous twitch in my leg; I have to make sure I keep it under control when I'm in public restrooms now...


A wide stance can kill ya.

252 Panhandler  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:35:15am

re: #243 rightside

My next guess (Yeah sure)

253 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:35:26am

re: #240 pingjockey

No misperception my ass. That isn't a paisley scarf. It is one of those damn arafish headscarves!

Is that a latte she's carrying or a bomb? What's really in her bag?
/sarc

254 pingjockey  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:36:44am

re: #249 kcladderman
No thanks. The wife got a shock last year. A big envelope from the Navy Dept. showed up. It was my final discharge cert, but I told her it was recall orders! I'm a baaaaad man.

255 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:37:06am

re: #244 MandyManners

What is their phobia about LGF?

They'd find out how f*cked up the Globe's coverage is. If their readers knew the truth, the Globe's circulation would go down.
(Actually, as bad as it is, for a NY Slimes-owned paper, it isn't too bad. And Jeff Jacoby is good, although I think they stop him from writing too many pro-Israel editorials.)

256 pingjockey  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:37:50am

re: #253 Kosh's Shadow
Rumor has it she carries a cocked and load meat tenderizer in that bag.

257 pingjockey  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:39:14am

Guv of Fla. on Fox now. Begining to wonder if he is going to be the veep nominee.He has been on the tube a lot.

258 Panhandler  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:40:03am

re: #254 pingjockey

No thanks. The wife got a shock last year. A big envelope from the Navy Dept. showed up. It was my final discharge cert, but I told her it was recall orders! I'm a baaaaad man.

So tell us, how is sleeping in the garage and eating Beefaroni out of the can working out for you?

259 doriangrey  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:40:29am

re: #247 pingjockey

Sounds like business as usual. I don't remember the city being broke when I left in '97. But that doesn't mean shit.

It was, seems the city couldn't manage its money, and topped it off with a fraudulent pension scam. Now they are trying to dig their way out with excessive fines and other police involved legal mumbo jumbo... Anyone caught driving with so much as a .01 BAC is being given a DUI (wet reckless) but its still a DUI and still cost $1800.00+ Speeding tickets are being given out like candy at the fair at 50 buck per mile per hour over the limit and pretty much everyone is getting a parking ticket regardless of whether they own a car or not.

260 pingjockey  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:40:56am

re: #258 Panhandler
After the shock was over and she got done chasing me around with a frying pan she was ok.

261 JamesTKirk  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:41:41am

re: #260 pingjockey

After the shock was over and she got done chasing me around with a frying pan she was ok.

And the doctors say that you'll be back on solid food again in no time.

262 doriangrey  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:41:45am

re: #258 Panhandler

So tell us, how is sleeping in the garage and eating Beefaroni out of the can working out for you?

ROTFLMAO..................... Yup, he is a baaaadddd maaannn..........

263 pingjockey  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:42:01am

re: #259 doriangrey
Fraudulent pension scam? What, did they hire Joe Pesci to help out with da books?

264 doriangrey  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:43:49am

re: #248 Panhandler

But you got a Zoo and can buy oranges at any on ramp, how many people in Dearbornistan can say that?

Don't forget the second highest gas prices in America.................................Who can afford to go to the Zoo or buy oranges when gas cost $4.50 a gallon?

265 pingjockey  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:44:59am

re: #261 JamesTKirk

re: #262 doriangrey

You guys crack me up! She was very leery when I went to the recruiters to get an offical letter documenting my electrical experience for the state Labor and Industries board so I can get my electrical apprenticeship documented to take a journeymans test. Told her the canoe club didn't need 49 yr old sonar techs. We aren't at war with NATO, yet.

266 Panhandler  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:45:16am

re: #264 doriangrey

Don't forget the second highest gas prices in America................................. Who can afford to go to the Zoo or buy oranges when gas cost $4.50 a gallon?

Looks like your argument for getting that Glide is progressing nicely.

267 doriangrey  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:45:23am

re: #263 pingjockey

Fraudulent pension scam? What, did they hire Joe Pesci to help out with da books?

I wish.... Then at least the city workers might actually have done some you know.... WORK............................ Instead of five guys standing around while one guy actually works.

268 pingjockey  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:46:26am

re: #267 doriangrey
You see that all the time. DOT guys, one guy in a hole, 5 guys supervising. At 25 bucks plus an hour.

269 doriangrey  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:47:37am

re: #265 pingjockey

re: #262 doriangrey

You guys crack me up! She was very leery when I went to the recruiters to get an offical letter documenting my electrical experience for the state Labor and Industries board so I can get my electrical apprenticeship documented to take a journeymans test. Told her the canoe club didn't need 49 yr old sonar techs. We aren't at war with NATO, yet.

ROTFLMAO...................No.... It was your wife in the living room with a frying pan that was trying to crack you up.... We're just admiring your manly stupidity at telling her you were getting drafted.............

270 pingjockey  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:47:41am

Gotta make the short guys school lunch and get myself ready to do battle with spa pumps. Have a good day all!

271 doriangrey  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:48:25am

re: #266 Panhandler

Looks like your argument for getting that Glide is progressing nicely.

Yea, just a little to nicely if you ask me.... ;O

272 pingjockey  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:48:39am

re: #269 doriangrey
Yah. She really didn't see the humor in that little joke! Really gotta go now.

273 opnion  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:48:56am

Former Illinois Governor George Ryan serving 6& one half years in Jail for official corruption lost his Supreme Court Appeal yesterday.
Ryan is a Republican & his famiky is now appealing to President Bush.
Ryan was also the Sec. of State during the license for bribes scandal . A pastors children died in a fiery crash due to negligence of a non English speaking trucker who obtained a fraudulent license.
Although no charges were brought against Ryan for those actions.
Could Bush possibly pardon this nguy and leave the two Boarder Patrol Agents languish in jail/

274 Panhandler  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:51:01am

re: #269 doriangrey

ROTFLMAO...................No.... It was your wife in the living room with a frying pan that was trying to crack you up.... We're just admiring your manly stupidity at telling her you were getting drafted.............

Had a drilling Reserve attached to one of our squadrons once. Wife calls to tell him about a family emergency. I had to tell her that he WASN'T on another 2 week ACDUTRA and wasn't in the area. Seems he had a new squeeze across town and was taking a little R&R with the Navy for an excuse.

275 doriangrey  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:51:32am

re: #273 opnion

Former Illinois Governor George Ryan serving 6& one half years in Jail for official corruption lost his Supreme Court Appeal yesterday.
Ryan is a Republican & his famiky is now appealing to President Bush.
Ryan was also the Sec. of State during the license for bribes scandal . A pastors children died in a fiery crash due to negligence of a non English speaking trucker who obtained a fraudulent license.
Although no charges were brought against Ryan for those actions.
Could Bush possibly pardon this nguy and leave the two Boarder Patrol Agents languish in jail/

I'm going to go out on a limb and say no, only because the official record seems to indicate that Bush do not get involved in legal cases that he is not personally involved in.

276 doriangrey  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:52:38am

re: #274 Panhandler

Had a drilling Reserve attached to one of our squadrons once. Wife calls to tell him about a family emergency. I had to tell her that he WASN'T on another 2 week ACDUTRA and wasn't in the area. Seems he had a new squeeze across town and was taking a little R&R with the Navy for an excuse.

To quote Homer Simpson..............DOH.......................... .............

277 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:53:47am

Good Morning all Y'all - from a warm (69 degrees, going up to 76 degrees), muggy and overcast (with heavy showers and T- Storms predicted) Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this fine morning?

278 opnion  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:54:15am

re: #275 doriangrey

I'm going to go out on a limb and say no, only because the official record seems to indicate that Bush do not get involved in legal cases that he is not personally involved in.


That sounds right. The Illinois Republican Party is a mess.
Dennis Hasterts seat was even lost in a special election.
If Bush pardons Ryan, the party will be worse off than it is now.
I do think that the Boarder guys should catch a break though.

279 Panhandler  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:54:46am

re: #276 doriangrey

To quote Homer Simpson..............DOH................ .......................

It did not end well. Both ladies dumped him and he wound up living in his Winnebego.

280 opnion  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:55:11am

re: #277 realwest

Good Morning all Y'all - from a warm (69 degrees, going up to 76 degrees), muggy and overcast (with heavy showers and T- Storms predicted) Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this fine morning?

Get those storms out of there. I am headed to Myrtle Beach.

281 Panhandler  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:56:54am

re: #277 realwest

Much better now that the Real is here. You and Mom going to be causing trouble today or is it a laid back approach?

282 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:58:29am

Hey y'all - here's a story which I put into the Spin-off links above, but which I'm afraid won't be read amongst all the other fine links/stories up there:

Bush was not "forthright" on Iraq: ex-spokesman

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Former White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan says in a new book that President George W. Bush "veered terribly off course" and was not "open and forthright on Iraq," Politico.com reported on Tuesday.

In the memoir due out next week, McClellan also says Bush relied on "propaganda" to sell the war and says the Washington press corps was too easy on the administration during the run-up to it, according to the Web site.

McClellan also takes the administration to task for its performance after Hurricane Katrina devastated New Orleans, saying the White House "spent most of the first week in a state of denial," Politico reported.

According to the Web site, McClellan blames former Bush senior adviser Karl Rove for the photo of the president seen observing the disaster during an Air Force One flyover.

"One of the worst disasters in our nation's history became one of the biggest disasters in Bush's presidency. Katrina and the botched federal response to it would largely come to define Bush's second term," Politico quoted the book as saying.

McClellan's 341-page book, titled "What Happened: Inside the Bush White House and Washington's Culture of Deception," takes a much harsher tone than White House officials had expected from the president's former aide, Politico reported.

The White House declined comment.

In the memoir, McClellan is said to claim that Rove and Lewis "Scooter" Libby, a former aide to Vice President Dick Cheney, misled him about their role in the CIA leak case. Libby was convicted last year on charges related to the investigation into who blew the cover of former CIA analyst Valerie Plame, whose husband was an outspoken Iraq war critic.

McClellan served as White House press secretary from July 2003 to April 2006. A long-time Bush loyalist and fellow Texan, he said that he still likes and admires the president and that Bush was ill-served by top advisors.
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

283 leah  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:00:06am

anyone see the NYT pic of obama reading 'The Post-American World'?

it appears that is where obama got his new policy that iran is not a threat bcuz they spend 1/100 on military as the US...the book by the indian muslim editor of newsweek says almost the same thing...

(also in the pic - is that a roll of quarters in his pocket or did that book make him really happy?)

284 opnion  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:01:36am

Now that it is established that Obama had a '"Great" unlce in World War
Two, is it known if the relative actually was anywhere near a deat Camp?

285 loppyd  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:01:40am

Good Morning Lizard Nation!

Shaping up to be a beautiful day here on Boston's North Shore.

Sure hope it's not as stooopit crazy as yesterday....LOL

286 doriangrey  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:01:50am

re: #282 realwest

Hey y'all - here's a story which I put into the Spin-off links above, but which I'm afraid won't be read amongst all the other fine links/stories up there:

Bush was not "forthright" on Iraq: ex-spokesman

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Former White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan says in a new book that President George W. Bush "veered terribly off course" and was not "open and forthright on Iraq," Politico.com reported on Tuesday.

In the memoir due out next week, McClellan also says Bush relied on "propaganda" to sell the war and says the Washington press corps was too easy on the administration during the run-up to it, according to the Web site.

McClellan also takes the administration to task for its performance after Hurricane Katrina devastated New Orleans, saying the White House "spent most of the first week in a state of denial," Politico reported.

According to the Web site, McClellan blames former Bush senior adviser Karl Rove for the photo of the president seen observing the disaster during an Air Force One flyover.

"One of the worst disasters in our nation's history became one of the biggest disasters in Bush's presidency. Katrina and the botched federal response to it would largely come to define Bush's second term," Politico quoted the book as saying.

McClellan's 341-page book, titled "What Happened: Inside the Bush White House and Washington's Culture of Deception," takes a much harsher tone than White House officials had expected from the president's former aide, Politico reported.

The White House declined comment.

In the memoir, McClellan is said to claim that Rove and Lewis "Scooter" Libby, a former aide to Vice President Dick Cheney, misled him about their role in the CIA leak case. Libby was convicted last year on charges related to the investigation into who blew the cover of former CIA analyst Valerie Plame, whose husband was an outspoken Iraq war critic.

McClellan served as White House press secretary from July 2003 to April 2006. A long-time Bush loyalist and fellow Texan, he said that he still likes and admires the president and that Bush was ill-served by top advisors.
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

Holy crap, with friends like Scott McClellan Bush doesn't need any enemies, hell he'd be better off with Osama Bin Laden as a friend...

287 Panhandler  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:03:19am

re: #285 loppyd

Nature's way of telling you AL Gore might have made a mistake.

288 Peacekeeper  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:04:43am

Bush isn't the greatest President of the generation. He's bungled badly on many policy issues. We have to be honest with ourselves.

289 doriangrey  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:05:51am

re: #287 Panhandler

Nature's way of telling you AL Gore might have made be a mistake.

Heh heh heh fix't that for ya.........

290 Peacekeeper  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:05:59am

Oh, and good morning!

291 Panhandler  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:06:02am

re: #286 doriangrey

Holy crap, with friends like Scott McClellan Bush doesn't need any enemies, hell he'd be better off with Osama Bin Laden as a friend...

And here I am, thinking that "I can't say enough about the man" means that you keep your mouth shut. But, if you're going to be an author ya gotta sell books, so write books that will sell - fiction is the best genre.

292 doriangrey  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:06:16am

Well later Lizards, got to head off to work.............

293 WriterMom  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:06:27am

Good morning lizardim...

294 doriangrey  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:07:06am

re: #293 WriterMom

Good morning lizardim...

Good morning mom.................. ((WriterMom))

295 opnion  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:07:14am

re: #287 Panhandler

Nature's way of telling you AL Gore might have made a mistake.


Au contraire, mon amie. Gore & the other global watrming fanatics are having it both ways. You see now your carbon foot print is causing "Climate Change" So now any variance in the temerature , or a tornado, or hurricane just proves their point.
Rest assured that we will all burn up in the next ten years.

296 JamesTKirk  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:07:48am

re: #283 leah

(also in the pic - is that a roll of quarters in his pocket or did that book make him really happy?)

Oh, great. Photoshopping a huge bulge onto Al Gore's pants (Rolling Stone magazine, IIRC) didn't win him any elections...

297 tfc3rid  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:08:12am

re: #285 loppyd

Morning loppy and thank you!

298 Peacekeeper  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:08:16am

Any critiscism by a former advisor to Bush, in this climate, is sure to be pumped up by the chattering class. Besides, he wants to sell books and a year from now Bush will be old news.

299 JamesTKirk  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:08:42am

re: #288 Peacekeeper

Bush isn't the greatest President of the generation. He's bungled badly on many policy issues. We have to be honest with ourselves.

Who are the other presidents of his generation?

300 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:09:00am

re: #281 Panhandler
Thanks for the kind words!
As to what kind of day it's gonna be, you'll have to go back to my comments #345 and #372 on the prior thread.
Mom and I are composing a letter to our congresswoman, Sue Myrick (R-N.C.) and our US Senators Dole and Burr (both R, N.C.). When I say Mom and I, I mean I'm gonna write the letters, Mom will clean 'em up and then I'll e-mail and print out and we'll send via fax to those three individuals.
I know it sounds like it's gonna be BORING, but as I said last night (and someone far more intelligent than I said waaay before me): The Only Thing to Insure that Evil Succeeds is if Good Men and Women Remain Silent.
That I got as worked up about that story as I did last night, and am even more outraged than last night, is simply testimony to the idea that WE the people of the United States, have a moral obligation to insure that the barbaric, immoral and criminal behavior of UN "Peacekeepers" - funded in significant part by US taxpayer dollars, STOPS and those guilty be PUNISHED not simply sent back to their home nations.
If anyone out here knows how to quote those two posts of mine out here on the Dead Thread, I'd appreciate it if you would do so for me.

What do y'all have planned for today?

301 opnion  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:10:38am

re: #296 JamesTKirk

Oh, great. Photoshopping a huge bulge onto Al Gore's pants (Rolling Stone magazine, IIRC) didn't win him any elections...

Didn't Naomi Wolfe turn him into the Alpha Male?
You know Earth tones etc. Did that work? Is he the president?

302 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:10:57am

re: #282 realwest

Oh, fuck little Scotty.

303 JamesTKirk  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:10:58am

re: #301 opnion

Didn't Naomi Wolfe turn him into the Alpha Male?
You know Earth tones etc. Did that work? Is he the president?

He was Earth tone deaf.

304 JamesTKirk  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:11:39am

re: #302 MandyManners

Oh, fuck little Scotty.

He's doin' all he can, but he dinna have the powerrrrrrrrrrr!

305 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:11:52am

I wonder if Scotty is angling for a position with the Obama campaign.

306 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:12:39am

re: #304 JamesTKirk

He's doin' all he can, but he dinna have the powerrrrrrrrrrr!

LOL!

Really, he was a mere mouth-piece. I doubt he knew what was really going on in the White House.

307 Peacekeeper  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:12:53am

re: #299 JamesTKirk
Generation defined as the last 20 years or so. Reagan definitely without peer. Bush I was better at foreign policy but got pantsed by he Dems at home. Bush II has been pantsed by everyone, everywhere. Iraq had to completely fall to pieces before he changed strategies. Katrina was similar.

308 Panhandler  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:13:34am

re: #300 realwest

No problem Real. I waded through that thread and managed to not break anything in the room. I today, will, as for the last couple of years, be uncrating and assembling 2 wheel alternative transportation modules for the panicked Esclade owners.

309 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:14:18am

All your black and white plaid scarves are belong to us?

Hell no!

310 loppyd  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:14:24am

re: #286 doriangrey

Karl Rove was on Hannity & Skeletor last night refuting most of the more egregious claims in the book. I did not see it, but they showed clips of it on Fox & Friends this morning....

311 Peacekeeper  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:15:42am

Bush I destroyed the Reagan coalition. Bush II finished off the survivors.

312 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:16:40am

re: #308 Panhandler

No problem Real. I waded through that thread and managed to not break anything in the room. I today, will, as for the last couple of years, be uncrating and assembling 2 wheel alternative transportation modules for the panicked Esclade owners.

With or without the training wheels?

313 loppyd  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:17:15am

re: #287 Panhandler

Nature's way of telling you AL Gore might have made a mistake.

LOL.

From the horrific drive into Boston during a torrential rainstorm to the clerk at the SJC who berated me for not including a document in our brief which actually was in the brief if he had taken the time to read the table of contents
to the flooded streets of Boston and Storrow drive it was a peachy afternoon.

314 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:17:24am

re: #310 loppyd

Karl Rove was on Hannity & Skeletor last night refuting most of the more egregious claims in the book. I did not see it, but they showed clips of it on Fox & Friends this morning....

Why did they send out the Magnificent Bastard to refute this pip-squeak?

315 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:17:44am

Fox is taking BHO to task about his uncle.

316 WriterMom  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:18:05am

re: #292 doriangrey

{doriangrey}

317 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:18:11am

Well Scotty (as Mandy calls him) I'm sure had much more access to the goings on in the White House than any of us or any member of the MSM (I hope) and he IS trying to sell a book.
But the real clue to Scotty's true heresy was Katrina.
I swear I don't know how Katrina was laid at Bush's feet; there was a Dem Govenor who refused to turn out the Louisiana National Guard at the admittedly belated request of the truly incompetent Dem Mayor of New Orleans and somehow this was Bush's fault?
No, I don't think so. Not one little fuckin' iota.

318 Peacekeeper  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:19:21am

re: #317 realwest

No, I don't think so. Not one little fuckin' iota.

Not one?

319 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:19:24am

They have Donatelli on. Ooh. "Troubling pattern of historical sloppiness...."

320 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:19:34am

re: #310 loppyd Hey there goodlooking! How are you doing today {loppyd}?

321 loppyd  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:19:49am

re: #314 MandyManners

Why did they send out the Magnificent Bastard to refute this pip-squeak?

I guess he names Rove personally in the book.

322 WriterMom  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:19:56am

re: #310 loppyd

Hannity & Skeletor

GAAAAAAAAAAAA

YOU FUNNEEEEEEE

323 Panhandler  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:20:10am

re: #312 MandyManners

With or without the training wheels?

You buy a bike from us and you're a new rider - we spring for the MSF weekend training course. Got to have the course to get the motorcycle endorsement on your license anyway. It's cheaper and better than us having to repair a new bike with 30 miles on it.

324 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:20:31am

re: #318 Peacekeeper

No, I don't think so. Not one little fuckin' iota.

Not one?

What could Pres. Bush have done? Overridden the governor?

325 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:21:15am

re: #321 loppyd

I guess he names Rove personally in the book.

So Rove gave him a verbal wedgie?

326 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:22:36am

re: #323 Panhandler

You buy a bike from us and you're a new rider - we spring for the MSF weekend training course. Got to have the course to get the motorcycle endorsement on your license anyway. It's cheaper and better than us having to repair a new bike with 30 miles on it.

Going from an Escalade to a motorcycle? I hope they remember there is no "FUCK YOU" factor without the bumpers.

327 loppyd  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:22:47am

re: #297 tfc3rid

Morning loppy and thank you!

Good Morning!

I was thinking about you with all of the gorgeous weather we had this weekend!

Did you have a good time?

What was your favorite part?

328 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:22:56am

re: #300 realwest
Well don't know if this will work or not, but this is one of the two comments referenced in my #300 above:
UN Peacekeepers Raping Children

#345 realwest 5/27/2008 10:38:07 pm PDT

re: #311 hermeneutics
Whoa, if all y'all need my wisdom, we're in deeper shit than I thought!
As an attempt at a short piece of advice (it's late, my cancer meds are kicking my ass and I'm tired) I like the approach of demanding answers from Obama, Clinton, McCain and Bush - and keep pushing them for specific answers.
And then follow up. Every month. Write a letter. CC your congresscritters on each letter and send at least one letter to each of your congresscritters that you are NOT going to stop until the UN STOPS outrageous and barbaric behavior, IN IT'S NAME and if the UN doesn't do that poste haste, We are going to push for what McCain has suggested - a League of Democracies which will rended the UN obsolete and without funds or qualified, true soldiers. In other words, we are going to make the UN UNnecessary for that part of the world that really counts.Rendering the UN USELESS is, I would submit, the single best thing we can do. Let all the third world dictators and even "First World" (eg Saudi Arabia) countries rot in thier own stew - we don't need 'em and don't want 'em and sure as hell don't need to listen to their crap. Oh, and by the way, I also think that tall, slender bluish building on Manhattan's East side, which is apparently is some disrepair, should be fixed up and leased to the League of Democracies; the UN will simply need to find someplace else to move it's headquarters to - perhap Teheran.

329 Peacekeeper  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:23:09am

re: #324 MandyManners

He could have appointed a professional to head FEMA instead of a rich donor dilettante.

330 WriterMom  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:23:54am

re: #325 MandyManners

Rovian Atomic Verbal Wedgie

331 Panhandler  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:24:26am

re: #326 MandyManners

You want to become a darn good, aware driver? Start riding a motorcycle, that will teach you about the FYs and how to avoid them.

332 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:25:01am

re: #300 realwest
Woot it worked! Here's the other comment from last night that I referenced in #300 here:
UN Peacekeepers Raping Children

#372 realwest 5/27/2008 10:49:34 pm PDT

re: #359 hermeneutics
and
re: #360 {LeePro}
Thank you for your kind words and even though I'm tired and medicated, I do think that ultimately, to prevent Evil from prevailing, all Good Men and Woman will have to stand tall and talk - where better than in a League of Democracies, where our voices will be heard, not shouted down by the self-same Evil people who would and have done so, in the UN?!

Goodnight all y'all!

333 WriterMom  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:25:20am

re: #182 madisonsfriend

LOL.

334 Peacekeeper  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:25:45am

As I mentioned before, I spent a year in Bosnia in 1999. One week after Katrina the Gubmint called to ask me to go on standby to go New Orleans. The level of desperation for them to call me had to be immense. I'm nobody. It really showed how panic had set in.

335 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:26:15am

re: #329 Peacekeeper

You're really laying this at Bush's feet? Really?

Appointing Brown is the reason why it was such a catastrophy?

336 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:26:40am

re: #329 Peacekeeper

He could have appointed a professional to head FEMA instead of a rich donor dilettante.

Great point!

337 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:27:40am

re: #330 WriterMom

Rovian Atomic Verbal Wedgie

I don't know why I forgot the "atomic" thing. The Kid loves to try one on me.

338 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:28:16am

re: #335 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Not trying to be argumentative, but FEMA is more about the clean-up...local and state is more about the preparedness. Am I totally wrong?

339 alegrias  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:28:20am

re: #329 Peacekeeper

He could have appointed a professional to head FEMA instead of a rich donor dilettante.

* * *
Disaster Preparedness was botched up by democrat governor Kathleen Blanco, in case you missed it that weekend.

President Bush was on TV telling people to leave town, to get their gear & go out of the way of the Category 5 Hurricane that was threatening half the country.

Kathleen Blanco was huddled with democrats refusing to work with Republican Pres. Bush and his federals until it was too late for PREPAREDNESS planning the Dems didn't do.

Who left those 600 school buses in a New Orleans parking lot instead of taking residents out of New Orleans?

340 loppyd  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:28:25am

re: #324 MandyManners

What could Pres. Bush have done? Overridden the governor?

Lets not forget the fact that the local govt. was the beginning of the failure when it comes to Katrina.

341 WriterMom  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:28:28am

re: #334 Peacekeeper

I'm nobody

You're a SOMEBODY here!

342 Panhandler  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:28:38am

re: #329 Peacekeeper

Never did figure out how being a horse show judge qualified you to head disaster relief. That was a payback that bit back.

343 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:28:46am

re: #331 Panhandler

You want to become a darn good, aware driver? Start riding a motorcycle, that will teach you about the FYs and how to avoid them.

Drove a moped off a 30-foot cliff when I was a senior in high school. I avoid anything with two wheels and a motor nowadays.

344 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:29:27am

re: #340 loppyd

Lets not forget the fact that the local govt. was the beginning of the failure when it comes to Katrina.

All those school busses....

345 tfc3rid  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:29:27am

re: #327 loppyd

Good Morning!

I was thinking about you with all of the gorgeous weather we had this weekend!

Did you have a good time?

What was your favorite part?

We had a phenominal time! Loved the touristy stuff... Duck tour and leisurely walking the freedom trail... It was a great time...

Boston remains on our list of possible places to move to... Even though cost of living is close to NYC...

346 WriterMom  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:29:44am

OY stomach growling...must eat muffin.

347 Peacekeeper  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:29:55am

re: #335 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You're really laying this at Bush's feet? Really?

Appointing Brown is the reason why it was such a catastrophy?

The Hurricane was the catastrophe. The Governor and the Mayor and the corrupt system down there deserve the blame for the destruction being even more severe than it had to be.
The political fiasco might have been mitigated but Bush appointed bad people, who made bad policies and stuck by them way to long.

I'm a conservative, not a Republican hack. I can think critically about the man.

348 tfc3rid  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:30:03am

BTW, I'd like a chocolate cake with vanilla pudding for my birthday tomorrow...

That is all...

349 madisonsfriend  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:31:09am

I'm back briefly. Jim in Va- I am a volunteer for the event so I am not sure where I will be or when(because they haven't told me yet). The event(someone asked) is the Israel birthday celebration on the National Mall. of course , celebrating the statehood of the only democracy in the Middle East and the Homeland of the Jewish People will bring out the moonbats and haters. I will try to take photos(of course, uploading them will require help from my children). I will try not to get arrested but I will not allow(to the best of my ability) someone to hold a sign with the word I wrote earlier. Now that guy was in CA- I think -but I guarantee we have equally creepy folks here in the East.

350 irongrampa  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:31:11am

Good morning from New York, where we have what looks to be a gorgeous day, just right for a liesurely drive in the toy.

The Committee has decreed that I may spend this day left to my own devices (quiet exultation displayed), something that only rarely occurs.

351 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:31:18am

re: #334 Peacekeeper

You're speaking from much closer to it than I was, so I can't really argue the point.

I placed the blame for the Katrina disaster on
1. The Storm (mean bitch)
2. The Mayor
3. The Governor
4. The idiots who could get away who did not.
5. The idiots who were waiting on the government to save their asses.
...
about 15. FEMA, BROWN, BUSH.

352 JustMyView  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:31:37am

re: #284 opnion

Now that it is established that Obama had a '"Great" unlce in World War
Two, is it known if the relative actually was anywhere near a deat Camp?

Yes, his great-uncle was part of the force that liberated Ohrduf, which was part of Buchenwald. There's a description of his (i.e., the great-uncle's) unit's activities on the Holocaust Museum website.

353 infidelia  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:31:40am

re: #285 loppyd

Good Morning Lizard Nation!

Shaping up to be a beautiful day here on Boston's North Shore.

Sure hope it's not as stooopit crazy as yesterday....LOL

Could've been worst, at least we missed the hail. Sunday was gorgeous but too cold to swim. Monday was gorgeous but too cold to sit on the beach. Where is that fatbastard Gore, I need to glue him to a rock to use as a windbreak.

Hi everyone. I see the MSM has discovered the new al-Q tape with the code at the end.

355 Panhandler  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:32:19am

re: #343 MandyManners

The day of your prom if I remember right? Multitasking on a bike is not recommended.

356 Iron Fist  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:33:17am

re: #340 loppyd,

And New Orleans, the Chocolate City, re-elected Mayor Nagin. Let's not forget that as well. The failure begins with the voters who put the worthless bastard in place, and chose to ignore all personal responsibility for their own safety when facing a monster storm with what, a week's worth of warning .

357 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:33:31am

re: #346 WriterMom

OY stomach growling...must eat muffin.

We'll let you eat your muffin.

358 alegrias  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:33:43am

re: #347 Peacekeeper

The Hurricane was the catastrophe. The Governor and the Mayor and the corrupt system down there deserve the blame for the destruction being even more severe than it had to be.
The political fiasco might have been mitigated but Bush appointed bad people, who made bad policies and stuck by them way to long.

I'm a conservative, not a Republican hack. I can think critically about the man.

* * *
Bush appointed bad people, who made bad policies and stuck by them way to long.

President Bush did not site nor build New Orleans BELOW SEA LEVEL.
President Bush did not build the levees which were not built to withstand Category 5 Hurricanes.

President Bush did not refuse federal aid, he was rebuffed by democrats who like the Myanmar junta, refused to AID their OWN PEOPLE until it was too late.

359 Peacekeeper  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:33:58am

re: #339 alegrias

I'll say this again, I am not "laying the blame at Bush's feet". But this was not his shining moment. The State's screwed up, absolutely but we have this gigantic FEMA thing that was run by a crony of his.
Instead of Emergency Management we got deer in the headlights Bush saying : " Brownie you're doin a heckuva job".

One week later Bush fired Brownie, which if you were honest with yourselves is proof that he had the wrong man in charge of the operation.

360 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:35:08am

re: #318 Peacekeeper
Can't tell if you're trying to be humorers PK or not, but no NOT ONE FUCKING LITTLE IOTA.
The people of New Orleans and the Governor of that state had FIVE DAYS NOTICE that Katrina was gonna hit. Katrina hit the other Gulf Port States as hard, if not harder, than it did New Orleans, caused billions of dollars of damage, and it's all cleaned up now - and has been for quite a while. Because the people in Mississippi, for example, didn't wait around, pointing fingers at Bush and the Feds, they did it for and by themselves, with some assistance, mostly financial, from the Feds.
Louisiana and New Orleans, under it's Dem Leadership, is what is wrong with the Dem Party right now: it's SO MUCH EASIER to point the finger of blame elsewhere (especially a Republican elsewhere) than do any damned thing about yourself.
Don't you remember the photos of all those school buses Nagin had ready to assist folks in Nursing/Retirement homes evacuate New Orleans, just standing in over-the-tire deep water, in flooded parking lots after Katrina hit (JUST as ONE example)? How the hell was that Bush's fault?

361 madisonsfriend  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:35:14am

re: #335 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Brown was a catastrophe - putting useless rich donors into jobs that require some intelligence and ability is what every administration does. Somehow, no administration has learned that lesson- never give these people real jobs- make them the undersecretary of blah- blah or the deputy secretary for hoo-hah.

362 WriterMom  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:35:20am

re: #357 MandyManners

You like me! You really, really like me!

/hahhahaha

363 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:35:29am

re: #355 Panhandler

The day of your prom if I remember right? Multitasking on a bike is not recommended.

Nah. It was about a week or so before.

364 Panhandler  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:35:35am

re: #354 loppyd

Nagin said he couldn't force the bus drivers to handle an evacuation, it wasn't in their contract.

365 loppyd  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:35:50am

re: #360 realwest

Don't you remember the photos of all those school buses Nagin had ready to assist folks in Nursing/Retirement homes evacuate New Orleans, just standing in over-the-tire deep water, in flooded parking lots after Katrina hit (JUST as ONE example)? How the hell was that Bush's fault?

See my #354

366 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:35:55am
367 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:35:57am

re: #359 Peacekeeper

There's the agreement! I knew we'd find it, Love ya PK!

Was not Bush's shining moment. Let's leave it at that!

368 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:36:23am

re: #364 Panhandler

Nagin said he couldn't force the bus drivers to handle an evacuation, it wasn't in their contract.

AIIIYEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

369 infidelia  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:37:20am

re: #364 Panhandler

Nagin said he couldn't force the bus drivers to handle an evacuation, it wasn't in their contract.

The bus drivers, presumably, being amongst the too dumb to get outa town...

370 loppyd  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:37:53am

re: #364 Panhandler

Nagin said he couldn't force the bus drivers to handle an evacuation, it wasn't in their contract.

Then they all should have been fired.

371 maddogg  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:38:30am

Hummm. Father's day is coming up.......

372 tfc3rid  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:38:44am

re: #370 loppyd

Then they all should have been fired.

Amen.

373 Peacekeeper  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:39:06am

re: #367 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There's the agreement! I knew we'd find it, Love ya PK!

Was not Bush's shining moment. Let's leave it at that!

That's really all I was saying. He's made his share of mistakes. Now let's talk about running the National Debt out of sight, giving education policy over to Ted Kennedy, doing saber dances with Saudia Princes while we pay $135 a barrel for oil.

374 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:39:13am

re: #338 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
No, you're totally correct. It was the State and local government's responsibility to do something to prepare their state and city for the knockout punch thrown by Katrina, but as I said, Nagin had three days warning BEFORE he asked the Governor for National Guard help and She screwed around for another day before calling up the National Guard, ONE DAY PRIOR to Katrina's hitting New Orleans.

375 Peacekeeper  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:39:30am

re: #370 loppyd

Then they all should have been fired.

Maybe they drowned?

376 Panhandler  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:40:15am

re: #369 infidelia

The few school busses that were used to evacuate were hot wired by citizens who then loaded them up and headed out of Dodge. They paid for their fuel out of their pockets, when they could find some.

377 loppyd  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:40:39am

re: #356 Iron Fist

I know it can come off sounding brutal, but the residents of New Orleans have to take some personal responsibility for their unwillingness to leave. I can see the elderly and handicapped not getting out for obvious reasons, but the refusal of so many to get the hell out of there is THEIR OWN F*CKNG FAULT!

378 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:41:10am

re: #370 loppyd

Then they all should have been fired.

Did he even ask them? If so and they refused, why not ask other city workers? State workers?

379 loppyd  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:41:28am

re: #375 Peacekeeper

Maybe they drowned?

I certainly hope not.

380 alegrias  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:41:33am

re: #359 Peacekeeper

I'll say this again, I am not "laying the blame at Bush's feet". But this was not his shining moment. The State's screwed up, absolutely but we have this gigantic FEMA thing that was run by a crony of his.
Instead of Emergency Management we got deer in the headlights Bush saying : " Brownie you're doin a heckuva job".

One week later Bush fired Brownie, which if you were honest with yourselves is proof that he had the wrong man in charge of the operation.

* * *
Ok, fine. I'm not going to pile on in time of war, our country's less than ideal efforts to deal with the worst hurricane in US history.

Call me nationalist if you like, but by ANY measure however, compared to the complete morons running China & Myanmar's crony corrupt countries, even "Brownie" who so "botched" FEMA's emergy management, DID NOT LOSE 100,000 lives, displace 50 millions folks, refuse to aid his fellow citizens, etc.

China, Burma and Zimbabwe would be lucky to have "Brownie" handling their disasters. By orders of magnitude, Brownie didn't fail like these monsters fail their people.

Call me nationalist. USA! USA!

381 Peacekeeper  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:41:46am

This is all because that bastid Realwest wanted one iota of blame. Well that's my iota. It is not "laying it all at Bush's feet".

382 loppyd  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:41:58am

re: #378 MandyManners

Did he even ask them? If so and they refused, why not ask other city workers? State workers?

Or say the NATIONAL GUARD?

383 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:42:16am

re: #377 loppyd

I know it can come off sounding brutal, but the residents of New Orleans have to take some personal responsibility for their unwillingness to leave. I can see the elderly and handicapped not getting out for obvious reasons, but the refusal of so many to get the hell out of there is THEIR OWN F*CKNG FAULT!

What about those who had no vehicle?

384 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:42:37am

re: #361 madisonsfriend

Agreed.

However, it was a catastrophy. A catastophic storm hit a gigantic population center. What experience, what on the job training, prepared anyone for that?

I still think they should let nature re-take the New Orleans area and the French Quarter should be moved "brick by brick" to north of the lake (that I do not feel like looking up the name of to spell properly).

Now, I was strictly an observer, and am going to back out the fray on this now.

385 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:43:31am

re: #382 loppyd

Or say the NATIONAL GUARD?

Heck, anyone! Well, almost anyone.

386 Roger  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:44:24am

re: #373 Peacekeeper

That's really all I was saying. He's made his share of mistakes. Now let's talk about running the National Debt out of sight, giving education policy over to Ted Kennedy, doing saber dances with Saudia Princes while we pay $135 a barrel for oil.

Bear Stearns...lowering the dollar. No energy policy; no nuclear power plants and new refineries...

387 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:44:35am

re: #384 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Agreed.

However, it was a catastrophy. A catastophic storm hit a gigantic population center. What experience, what on the job training, prepared anyone for that?

I still think they should let nature re-take the New Orleans area and the French Quarter should be moved "brick by brick" to north of the lake (that I do not feel like looking up the name of to spell properly).

Now, I was strictly an observer, and am going to back out the fray on this now.

I saw a commercial with Harry Connick, Jr., hawking some SUV and touting the ability of New Orleans to rebuild last night.

388 loppyd  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:44:37am

re: #383 MandyManners

What about those who had no vehicle?

That is where the failure of the local govt. comes into play. They should have been driving up and down the streets of the Lower 9th Ward with bull horns and offering a way out.

389 alegrias  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:44:43am

re: #364 Panhandler

Nagin said he couldn't force the bus drivers to handle an evacuation, it wasn't in their contract.

* * *
Ronald Reagan FIRED the (union) air traffic controllers who threatened national security by refusing to do their jobs.

SAVING LIVES is job number one. Those people had no business driving children around.

390 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:45:02am

Go to the youtube site about Karl Rove's answer to scotty's book. The libs are at it, misdirecting again.
Leave a thought or two.

391 Roger  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:45:30am

Handing foreign policy to Dr Rice. Blue fingering Hamas. Carving up Israel...

392 Peacekeeper  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:45:37am

re: #377 loppyd

I know it can come off sounding brutal, but the residents of New Orleans have to take some personal responsibility for their unwillingness to leave. I can see the elderly and handicapped not getting out for obvious reasons, but the refusal of so many to get the hell out of there is THEIR OWN F*CKNG FAULT!

There were hundreds of thousands of people who were captives of crappy schools and a welfare state that promised to cater to them. Of course they stayed home and waited for somebody to show up and feed them.
God help this country if it ever gets truly hit hard by war or national scale disaster because there will be tens of millions of those poor fools wandering around waiting to be fed and clothed.

393 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:46:00am

re: #388 loppyd

That is where the failure of the local govt. comes into play. They should have been driving up and down the streets of the Lower 9th Ward with bull horns and offering a way out.

I cannot imagine the horror of those who were trapped at home.

Fuck you, Nagin. And, you, too, Blanco.

394 infidelia  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:46:50am

re: #377 loppyd

I know it can come off sounding brutal, but the residents of New Orleans have to take some personal responsibility for their unwillingness to leave. I can see the elderly and handicapped not getting out for obvious reasons, but the refusal of so many to get the hell out of there is THEIR OWN F*CKNG FAULT!

Sounds like too large a part of the population of the Big Easy behaved like the sort of morons who want to stay on a barrier beach to "watch the hurricane, man!" and then have to be rescued at 2 am by the cops in a boat at great risk to life and limb.

395 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:47:24am

re: #392 Peacekeeper

There were hundreds of thousands of people who were captives of crappy schools and a welfare state that promised to cater to them. Of course they stayed home and waited for somebody to show up and feed them.
God help this country if it ever gets truly hit hard by war or national scale disaster because there will be tens of millions of those poor fools wandering around waiting to be fed and clothed.

True, 'dat.

396 Iron Fist  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:47:32am

re: #383 MandyManners,

Take a cab, go Greyhound, etc. They had nearly a week of warning. Everyone knew it was going to be a disaster. Nothing could stop that. But it didn't have to be as big as it was. The levy was going to break, but people didn't have to drown.

397 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:48:08am

re: #365 loppyd Yup, you're right about that {loppyd} and thanks for that great photo.

398 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:48:30am

re: #394 infidelia

Sounds like too large a part of the population of the Big Easy behaved like the sort of morons who want to stay on a barrier beach to "watch the hurricane, man!" and then have to be rescued at 2 am by the cops in a boat at great risk to life and limb.

The poor and elderly don't behave like middle-class dolts who wanna' have a hurricane party.

399 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:48:39am

re: #380 alegrias
Brownie did a pretty good job in Mississippi where there was a R administration. It was the frickin' democrats in NOLA that caused the problem. Brownie was fired because of the drive-bys blaming the Rs instead of the Ds.

400 alegrias  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:48:51am

re: #373 Peacekeeper

That's really all I was saying. He's made his share of mistakes. Now let's talk about running the National Debt out of sight, giving education policy over to Ted Kennedy, doing saber dances with Saudia Princes while we pay $135 a barrel for oil.

* * *
If you're not going to drill for oil, you have to dance for oil!

Did you seriously think Democrats & Greens were going to let a Texas Oil Man President DRILL for oil? They'd rather WHINE for oil substitutes.

401 Roger  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:49:37am

Turning corn into ethanol without a way to turn it back into corn. Shorting our food supply...

402 Peacekeeper  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:49:40am

re: #398 MandyManners

The poor and elderly don't behave like middle-class dolts who wanna' have a hurricane party.


They were well and truly abandoned. But they also re elected Nagin so there is some evidence of epic doltery

403 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:50:05am

re: #396 Iron Fist

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Take a cab, go Greyhound, etc. They had nearly a week of warning. Everyone knew it was going to be a disaster. Nothing could stop that. But it didn't have to be as big as it was. The levy was going to break, but people didn't have to drown.

As others have pointed out, they were waiting on The Man to take care of them. I can't fault the elderly too much but, the young need to break out of that mode of thinking.

404 loppyd  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:50:25am

re: #390 newsjunkie_ky

Go to the youtube site about Karl Rove's answer to scotty's book. The libs are at it, misdirecting again.
Leave a thought or two.
[Link: www.youtube.com...]

HA! Rove to Skeletor:

"I've just read the same small article as you have so I'm going to reserve my judgment on the greater book until someone else buys it and gives me a copy."

405 WriterMom  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:50:45am

There are all kinds of groups doing help and re-building trips to New Orleans...I can't helping thinking that part of this disaster was man-made and I don't mean that Bush had a hurricane machine that targeted poor, black southerners.

406 infidelia  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:50:52am

re: #396 Iron Fist

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Take a cab, go Greyhound, etc. They had nearly a week of warning. Everyone knew it was going to be a disaster. Nothing could stop that. But it didn't have to be as big as it was. The levy was going to break, but people didn't have to drown.

I was in Haiti once years ago when a Cat 3 showed up with about 12 hours warning. You never saw a bunch of people move so fast in your life. They knew they had to take care of themselves because there was no nanny state there to do it for them.

407 Roger  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:51:17am

Continuing to pay for 1/4 of the UN's budget and allowing it to hang out in New York.

408 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:51:29am

re: #402 Peacekeeper

They were well and truly abandoned. But they also re elected Nagin so there is some evidence of epic doltery

"Evidence of epic doltery." Excellent rotating title.

409 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:51:49am

re: #282 realwest

I saw what looked like a press release on Radar this morning. I wasn't sure this was a real book.

Bush may very well have tried meth, heroin, and PCP, but due to the voluminous quantities he used to consume, he burned away the part of his brain that retained those memories. "'The media won't let go of these ridiculous cocaine rumors,' I heard Bush say. 'You know, the truth is I honestly don't remember whether I tried it or not. We had some pretty wild parties back in the day, and I just don't remember.'"

Nice hit piece on a lame duck president.

410 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:52:07am

How did we get on NO, anyway?

411 ggt  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:52:46am

Good Morning Lizards! It's sunny in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland.

I'm leaving for Ohio and doubt I'll have internet access until I return. The laptop has finally been sent off for repairs. I'll miss you-all.

How are things in Lizardland this morning and what are we talking about?

412 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:53:05am

re: #409 Who Watches the Watchmen?

I saw what looked like a press release on Radar this morning. I wasn't sure this was a real book.


Nice hit piece on a lame duck president.

He's a cad.

413 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:53:12am

re: #393 MandyManners

What Mandy said.

414 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:53:17am

re: #403 MandyManners
If they had left they wouldn't have been able to loot the jeans and shoes, etc.

415 alegrias  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:53:28am

re: #383 MandyManners

What about those who had no vehicle?

* * *
In plenty other countries, people with no vehicles RUN or WALK for their lives with their children and a sack of clothes.

If you love your children, you take action.

416 Peacekeeper  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:53:36am

I have a few lingering memories of Katrina from just the TV coverage:

A morbidly obese woman sitting on a highway overpass complaining that she hadn't had food for three days.

Fox News' Shepard Smith freaking out on air and crying like a baby.

The superdome full of able bodied people sitting in their own urine and feces.

417 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:53:37am

re: #411 ggt

Good Morning Lizards! It's sunny in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland.

I'm leaving for Ohio and doubt I'll have internet access until I return. The laptop has finally been sent off for repairs. I'll miss you-all.

How are things in Lizardland this morning and what are we talking about?

Little Scotty McClellan and Katrina.

418 loppyd  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:53:37am

re: #396 Iron Fist

,

Take a cab, go Greyhound, etc. They had nearly a week of warning. Everyone knew it was going to be a disaster. Nothing could stop that. But it didn't have to be as big as it was. The levy was going to break, but people didn't have to drown.

That is the key. They had close to a week - not a day or two, but a WEEK!

419 infidelia  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:53:38am

re: #409 Who Watches the Watchmen?

I saw what looked like a press release on Radar this morning. I wasn't sure this was a real book.


Nice hit piece on a lame duck president.

And so very helpful with the Obamassiah poised for the kill.

420 Roger  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:53:53am

Turning Afghanistan into a endorsed sharia law based shithole producing 95% of the world heroin...

421 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:53:54am

re: #404 loppyd

I loved that line.

422 loppyd  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:54:15am

re: #416 Peacekeeper

I have a few lingering memories of Katrina from just the TV coverage:

A morbidly obese woman sitting on a highway overpass complaining that she hadn't had food for three days.

Fox News' Shepard Smith freaking out on air and crying like a baby.

The superdome full of able bodied people sitting in their own urine and feces.

And I think that says it all if you ask me, PK.

423 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:54:23am

re: #414 newsjunkie_ky

If they had left they wouldn't have been able to loot the jeans and shoes, etc.

I'm all for looting for food. Well, almost.

424 Macker  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:54:43am
The future, according to some scientists, will be exactly like the past, only far more expensive.

And with roller disco, too?

GOOD MORNING LIZARDS!

425 loppyd  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:54:53am

re: #421 newsjunkie_ky

I loved that line.

I grow misty for the good ol' days of Rove....

LOL

426 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:55:14am

re: #410 MandyManners

Realwest started it! (Pointing finger). Scottys book blaming bush on the fact that I am a fat bastard.

427 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:55:16am

re: #415 alegrias

* * *
In plenty other countries, people with no vehicles RUN or WALK for their lives with their children and a sack of clothes.

If you love your children, you take action.

I'm thinking mainly of the elderly whbo might not be able to make it out on foot. As for the parents, you got that right!

428 loppyd  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:55:23am

re: #414 newsjunkie_ky

If they had left they wouldn't have been able to loot the jeans and shoes, etc.

Don't forget the guns.

429 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:55:31am

re: #336 MandyManners
Huh, it's a good point until you realize two things: One Bush fired the son of a bitch when he showed his incompetence and Two when you look at the other Gulf Coast States, which were just as severely hit as was New Oreleans, but who managed to climb out of their disasters, with waaay less Fed money than New Orleans got, pretty much on their own.
Dem Governor, Dem Mayor, FIVE days prior Notice and they couldn't fucking evacuate those incapable of getting outta New Orleans themselves? Or at least ask the Feds to step in and help BEFORE Katrina hit? Bush had NO authority to do a damn thing before Katrina hit, except maybe Federalize the National Guard and that action, iirc, requires the consent or request of the Governor of the State.

430 ggt  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:55:35am

re: #409 Who Watches the Watchmen?

When Clinton didn't inhale, that was laughable. People said they liked the idea that a President was "normal"--in that that he did what everyone else was doing.

Bush did inhale? He really, really partied? Then decided to grow-up.

hmmmmm

431 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:55:52am

re: #416 Peacekeeper

I have a few lingering memories of Katrina from just the TV coverage:

A morbidly obese woman sitting on a highway overpass complaining that she hadn't had food for three days.

Fox News' Shepard Smith freaking out on air and crying like a baby.

The superdome full of able bodied people sitting in their own urine and feces.

I remember the horrible rumors of murder and rape.

432 WriterMom  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:56:00am

re: #416 Peacekeeper

That says a lot.

433 Roger  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:56:04am

Banishing Franklin Graham from the White House...

434 smokefire  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:56:22am

re: #32 yochanan

dude you are old.

Aint it fun. Telling stories about the old days, and the young people looking at you like you have lost your mind.

I do the same thing with the rookie firefighters, at my fire house. It is hilarious to see their expressions when telling them about the "old days".

435 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:56:51am

re: #426 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Realwest started it! (Pointing finger). Scottys book blaming bush on the fact that I am a fat bastard.

LOL!

436 Roger  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:57:39am

Requiring law enforcement and security agencies be trained by CAIR...

437 ethanxxx  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:58:15am

FEMA never had been, was not at the time, and as far as I know is still not, the First Response to a National Disaster. The incompetence of the mayor and the governor were the two greatest factors surrounding the mishandling of Katrina. And these two Weak Links were put in place by the same people who refused to heed a week's worth of warnings on the impending disaster. While the ignorant Left continues to site Katrina as evidence of the Bush plan to attack and destroy people of color, those of us with functional brains know it as just another example of how gullible some people can be.

438 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:58:21am

re: #423 MandyManners
I saw a lot of people sloshing through the water with beer rafts.

439 alegrias  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:58:38am

re: #403 MandyManners

As others have pointed out, they were waiting on The Man to take care of them. I can't fault the elderly too much but, the young need to break out of that mode of thinking.

* * *
Thankfully, young Bobby Jindal is now governor of Louisiana instead of Kathleen Blanco.

Had Governor Jindal (Republican) been on the job August 29, 2005, perhaps more lives might have been saved AHEAD of time.

But Jindal still would have been stuck with Louisiana's famously corrupt crony democrat machine politicians and unions.

440 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:59:12am

re: #429 realwest

Huh, it's a good point until you realize two things: One Bush fired the son of a bitch when he showed his incompetence and Two when you look at the other Gulf Coast States, which were just as severely hit as was New Oreleans, but who managed to climb out of their disasters, with waaay less Fed money than New Orleans got, pretty much on their own.
Dem Governor, Dem Mayor, FIVE days prior Notice and they couldn't fucking evacuate those incapable of getting outta New Orleans themselves? Or at least ask the Feds to step in and help BEFORE Katrina hit? Bush had NO authority to do a damn thing before Katrina hit, except maybe Federalize the National Guard and that action, iirc, requires the consent or request of the Governor of the State.

Wasn't the governor of Florida also a Democrat when that hurricane hit the area of Andrews AFB back in the early 90s yet he refused to ask the Feds (G.H.W. Bush) for help yet blamed Pres. Bush?

I think I'm detecting a pattern.

441 Peacekeeper  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:59:15am

re: #410 MandyManners

How did we get on NO, anyway?


Completely Realwest's fault. That Cheerio eating swine.

442 Iron Fist  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:59:36am

re: #419 infidelia,

Let me tell you a little secret that the L³ef