You expect something from politicians? Charles, I am surprised at you.

CHANGE (topics)!

Quickly! Before I reveal my stunning incompetence to the entire world!

...I guess it's a bit too late for that, though...

Don't get blinded by the halo!

I nominate Michelle Malkin to ask him those questions. Heh.

I'd say it's "pop quiz" time. Are there any journos out there with the guts to do this to the Obamessiah?

re: #6 Occasional Reader

I'd say it's "pop quiz" time. Are there any journos out there with the guts to do this to the Obamessiah?

There are, but they all work for the enemy. You know, Fox News.

A serious presidential candidate should not also be a strong candidate to appear on Battle of the Jaywalk All-Stars.

Do any reporters know enough to ask? If they came straight out of "Mass Communications" programs, the answer is probably no.

We're just the "medium," man! We don't need to know anything!

re: #6 Occasional Reader

I'd say it's "pop quiz" time. Are there any journos out there with the guts to do this to the Obamessiah?

No, it's not in the script.

Barry doesn't need to know history, because history is about the failed policies of the past. He's about bringing people together, in order to move forward into the future. Summing up: Past bad, future good.

How do you expect me to know about Poland? There are more important things on my PLATE, like, I'm still trying to finish my waffle and name states 51 thru 57 (or is it 58?)

If people used the Polish name Oswiecim or Oswicim, instead of the Germanicized name, this might not have been a problem for Harvard graduates from Chicago, Illinois where many Polish people live.

Helloooo, Sunshine!

Yes, I would expect a person running for the highest office in the land to at least know some basic historical facts. Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.

No, I would expect BHO and the Hillbilly to be ignorant of most history. As I would most of the Donks today.

Just sayin'

JAFLW

I couldn't agree more. But I actually think Auschwitz was used on purpose...

What does this have to do with Hope and Change?

Regards,
BHO

Yes, we should expect more from any presidential candidate, not just one educated at Harvard. I’ve written several times that I suspect Barack Obama of being almost completely ignorant of world history. All it would take to reveal the depths of this ignorance would be a few serious historical questions from a reporter who isn’t blinded by the messiah’s halo—but nobody seems to care.

Kudos to you Charles!

As with the Dan Rather "Memogate" scandal, you are on the leading edge of exposing more of the same type of evil to the light.

This is a literal fight against a very real evil.

I worry less about his not knowing which concentration camp was where than I do about his poor grasp of current and recent events.

Or should he know the difference between Veteran's Day and Memorial Day? Too busy giving money to Uncle 'God Damn America' Jeremiah, I suppose.

Nobody outside LGF and affiliated/friend websites and blogs, at least.

the U.S. Army in World War II stopped on the river Elbe

Fifty bucks says 95% of all US journalists working today do not know this.

re: #22 godfrey

Fifty bucks says 95% of all US journalists working today do not know this.

$50 saye the other 5% don't either!

How come McCain isn't making all these rediculous gaffes? I mean, he's campaining and traveling and such.....and still has the time to make a vote appearance for his day job. But he's to OLD to serve as commander in chief.

Remember when President Ford denied Poland was under Soviet Control?

Didn't that blooper help Ford lose the election to DJhimmi Carter, who really let the USSR hammer Poland under uber communist General Jarulzelski?

For most of the media, their knowledge of current events dates back as far as their last free meal.

Charles

nobody seems to care

Care? Nobody seems to have been taught.

I am getting tired of the argument that is coming in the midst of a long campaign season. Do you think the President of the United States jut turns off, tunes off and drop out when it gets long and strenuous? In my eyes this is probably the worst of all arguments to use to defend soembody who is seeking to be my president.
How would he hold up having to be vigilant for 18 months in a foreign land with IED's, snipers, and religious fanatics around every corner? We will never know since he seems real reluctant to go visit and find out. Those soldiers don't time off and making mistakes can get people hurt or killed. If one of our service members misspeaks he could cause the entire effort and progress we have made in Iraq go south in a hurry, and here is a man who be responsible for the fate of all Americans and our country and they want ot cut him some slack for all of these statements in front of friendly crowds. What will he do in a hostile environment?
Maybe he ought to go talk to some Navy SEALs and see if they have any sympathy for him being tired.

re: #22 godfrey

Fifty bucks says 95% of all US journalists working today do not know this.

Fifty bucks says that the journalists would be surprised that America was in WWII...

JAFLW

And Jake Tapper has issues with the WaPo's fact checking, to say nothing of bloggers raising the issue, thinking that it's unseemly to play where in the world is Auschwitz.

Sorry Tapper, but you're just wrong. You have an obligation to report on Obama's gaffes, lies, and misstatements large and small. Not knowing where Auschwitz is, and where his great uncle served - after repeating that story at least since 2002, shows that he isn't all that interested in the details (both Tapper and Obama, that is).

Fake but accurate is the theme of Tapper's article.

re: #29 just another four-letter word

And the ones who do know it are about to retire.

Do y'all think we could have a "journalist" fact check Obama's confusion over Memorial Day and Veteran's day in his now infamous speech on Memorial Day (you know, the one acknowledging the holiday as one to remember American's dead troops - many of whom he saw sitting in the crowd)?
Or it that asking the MSM to do too many hard things at any one time?!

But I thought George W. Bush was the stupid one. What gives here?

re: #33 Ward Cleaver

You're straying from the Party line. /

re: #22 godfrey

Fifty bucks says 95% of all US journalists working today do not know this.

I knew that in what... the 5th grade.
Okay, I was sneaking into the HS library in the 3rd grade reading biographies of Richtofen, Rickenbacker, Bader, Mitchell, de Exupery and other pilots.

LGF acting squirrely, get header and no ads, no messages?

re: #24 Sponge

How come McCain isn't making all these rediculous gaffes? I mean, he's campaining and traveling and such.....and still has the time to make a vote appearance for his day job. But he's to OLD to serve as commander in chief.

* * *
Well, one reason McCain isn't making these gaffes and stories about his relatives on the European continent because McCain's relatives mostly served in the US NAVY in the Pacific.

Granted, it is getting late in the campaign.

Late my ass. We've still got over five months left.

This must be a typo. It had to have been the Washington Times and not the Post. Couldn't be. I feel light headed.

And a shout out to my grandfather who was killed when the Japanese bombed Los Angeles Harbor and dragged us into WWII.

re: #37 itellu3times

LGF acting squirrely, get header and no ads, no messages?

It's gotta be your box. Reboot, ye sinner!

JAFLW

But he knows all the important stuff!
1. Nationalize industry
2. Insult anyone who owns a gun or goes to church
3. Be nice to people who want to kill everyone else on earth for no readily apparent reason
4. And, oh yes, never run out of arugula.

That's what it takes to be President!

/of the Harvard Glee Club

cheers

eon

re: #34 savage_nation

And if Ike gave Patton his 400000 gallons, we would have been in Berlin before Zhukov

Patton wanted to come home via Moscow and Valdivostok. In hindsight might not have been a bad idea.

On the scale of 'mis-statements' on the democratic presidential candidates compared to ducking and running from sniper fire to naming the wrong death camp, I think this isn't as big of an issue in general. I'm sure we could find a lot of mis-statements or incorrect recollections on both sides of the aisle.

It'd be one thing to be attempting to honor our fallen soldiers with a completely false statement, as to saying the wrong location of an actual event that happened.

re: #29 just another four-letter word

Fifty bucks says that the journalists would be surprised that America was in WWII...

JAFLW

Of COURSE we were in WWII... after the Russians bombed Pearl Harbor.

I heard that Barack's uncle was covering Hillary's left flank while she was under sniper fire in Bosnia...no wait...the little girl who gave Hillary the flowers was Barack's niece...no, no wait.............

Who's burried in Grant's tomb?

What's a Greek ern?

If a plane crashes on the border of the US and Mexico, where do they bury the survivors?

Translate from the Siamese: "Wah tah gu Siam"

Let me know what you think.

I'm almost afraid to know what the replies would be.

re: #16 red satellite Yup, I agree with you on that. Auschwitz is recognized by far more people as a death camp than the dozens of others.
But what about his "Uncle"?!? I thought he didn't have any uncles? Getting mixed up about Auschwitz is one thing, but remembering an Uncle (who, let us not forget, hid in the attic for 6 months when he got back from WWII) who never existed is, well, stretching it a bit, doncha think?!

re: #37 itellu3times

LGF acting squirrely, get header and no ads, no messages?

You must be getting redirect to the squirrel faux LGF, get back to the genuine hamster site.
;-P

Clear cache, reload, restart your browser.

re: #42 eon

Long live arugula!

A few serious historical questions

Great idea. However, that might not be a proper gage either, especially if the candidate is receiving the questions in advance by a fawning press.

Good gravy, it's Auschwitz he's talking about. Auschwitz!

How do you say, "wait, was it Auschwitz? Or Buchenwald? They all sorta run together. Staffer, go through my family archives and bring me a report. Wait, it wasn't my uncle? My grandmother's brother? Christ... well, you figure it out ASAP. I'm getting hammered, here."

re: #45 Occasional Reader

Of COURSE we were in WWII... after the Russians bombed Pearl Harbor.

The Russians did? I thought Roosevelt had Hopkins do it.

re: #40 freedombilly

This must be a typo. It had to have been the Washington Times and not the Post. Couldn't be. I feel light headed.

And a shout out to my grandfather who was killed when the Japanese bombed Los Angeles Harbor and dragged us into WWII.

Lets not forget all those that died in the Battle of the Bulge, which we all know is just south of Topeka Kansas!

To think of the thousands of times the press/msm made huge deals bout Pres. Bush's speaking gaffes, misspronunciations of words, etc, and Obama makes serious gaffes daily, and the msm, as if possed by some spirit, doesn't even seem to notice.

There can't be some kind of msm universal plan to keep these gaffes quiet, they are in life or death competition with each other, there is a seriously deceptive power at work here.

"I've been to, what, umm, 57 states, with, uhmm, one more to go, I think."

This is someone who is a serious contender to be the leader of the "free" world.

It is unfathomable that person could not understand clearly, by the time they are like 10 years old, that there is a lower 48 states, with Alaska and Hawaii as the other two that make up the 50.

That is not misspeaking, that is a blatant disregrd for the great history of this great country.

What a shame.

re: #25 alegrias

Remember when President Ford denied Poland was under Soviet Control?

Didn't that blooper help Ford lose the election to DJhimmi Carter, who really let the USSR hammer Poland under uber communist General Jarulzelski?

Well you know and I know and perhaps that 5% who care about history know, that President Ford was only speaking the the historic and indomitable spirit of the Poles to be FREE again.

re: #36 jcm

I was a wartime airplane afficionado myself back in the day. The Me-163 was pretty cute for a spontaneously combusting rocket with a cockpit attached.

And speaking of past wars, I replied with #710 in the Open Thread...

#48
Nobody is in Grant's tomb. Teh remains were removed some time ago and reburied.

A jar

You don't bury survivors

Give me sizzle, or give me style!

It mustn't question the Obamessiah! It will get the hose, yes it will!

re: #45 Occasional Reader Now you're being silly - everyone knows it was the Germans who bombed Pearl Harbor!

I'd venture a guess that something like 95% of the folks who intend to vote for Obama have no idea what country Auschwitz is in either.

re: #52 freedombilly

Long live arugula!

Isn't that an island in the South Pacific? :)

JAFLW

OT: Amnesty International released its new "Human Rights" report. The section on the Americas is devoted to BDS. Cuba only gets one mention...

HIV/AIDS continued to affect women more than men, with the highest incidence among women in the Caribbean (especially in Haiti and the Dominican Republic); Cuba remained the exception with low reported infection rates.

Not a single word of criticism for Castro!

re: #57 republic

I know seven-year-olds who are laughing at Obama's ignorance of the 50 states.

Good for them.

re: #50 realwest

But what about his "Uncle"?!? I thought he didn't have any uncles?

The Official Story is that oops, he meant his great-uncle (grandmother's brother). Now... is anyone going to fact-check the "six months in the attic" story?

I'm not expecting Obama to know every detail of WWII history.

In fact, I'm not *really* expecting him (or any other US presidential candidate) to know *ANY* fine details about the second World War, except the most major points.

But I **AM** expecting him, and all the others, when making historical references, TO GET THEM RIGHT.

That's doubly true when he's making ones that are supposedly based on family or personal experiences, and triply true about war stories related during Memorial day.

I think Dan Quayle could whip BHO's butt in a spelling bee. Go ahead and ask Dan to spell potato...he has that one down-pat.

"Mr. President, NY City has just been nuked, we believe that you should take some action"

"Can't I just eat my waffle"

This is almost surreal.

re: #42 eon

But he knows all the important stuff!
1. Nationalize industry
2. Insult anyone who owns a gun or goes to church
3. Be nice to people who want to kill everyone else on earth for no readily apparent reason
4. And, oh yes, never run out of arugula.

That's what it takes to be President!

/of the Harvard Glee Club

cheers

eon

He also knows what syrup to put on a waffle.

We ARE in a World War whether Obama accepts it or not.

It's not good to be in Denial about your country's big issues in Mesopotamia--not Egypt but close enough, in the Land Between the Two Rivers of Tigris & Euphrates.

It's instructive he hasn't been to Iraq for two years, though as a Senator and Presidential candidate he has every obligation to be thoroughly familiar with what US troops are doing there.

The fact he's sloppy about the last World War and BLIND, DEAF & DUMB about our current fight is a big RED FLAG.

re: #69 Occasional Reader

The Official Story is that oops, he meant his great-uncle (grandmother's brother). Now... is anyone going to fact-check the "six months in the attic" story?

he was up there with Anne Frank, dontchya know !

re: #67 Killgore Trout

Cuba remained the exception with low reported infection rates.

Seeing as how Michael Moore visited probably the only good hospitals on the island, it's not hard to imagine why.

re: #55 jcm,

For the first time in recorded history, ships sank beneath water!

[/Rosie]

The msm has tanker trucks lined up to carry Obama`s water.

re: #68 godfrey

I know seven-year-olds who are laughing at Obama's ignorance of the 50 states.

Good for them.

I'm beginning to think that there is a not insignificant number of Obama supporters who actually WANT the President of the United States to be a laughing stock.

/Sad...

re: #60 Just_A_Grunt

Congratulations, with a score of 3/4, you're the new Democratic nominee.

"Let's not get bogged down in minutiae."

- bho

re: #25 alegrias

Yeah, but Ford was the Republican. Carter says nucular, he's brilliant, Bush prounouces it that way, he's an idiot.

I'd like to see Obama's school transcripts from Columbia and Harvard.

re: #74 savage_nation

No, you are wrong. That is where the Maginot LIne is, cleverly disguised as the Kansas Turnpike. LOL

I thought the Magino Line was what Billy Maginot said to the blond at the bar
"hey baby, wanna see my Ferrari?"

According to the Associated Press, it is Charlie Payne, the brother of Obama's maternal grandmother, Madelyn Lee Payne.

Racists liberated Auschwitz!

re: #77 laZardo

Seeing as how Michael Moore visited probably the only good hospitals on the island, it's not hard to imagine why.

Because they quarantine those with the infection. We would do that here but there is something like the Constitution, Bill of Rights, and the Courts that prevents that?

re: #68 godfrey

I know seven-year-olds who are laughing at Obama's ignorance of the 50 states.

Good for them.

The fact that the America hating Obama is a serious contender, means it's just a matter of time, before an American hating candidate becomes POTUS.

re: #81 itellu3times

Congratulations, with a score of 3/4, you're the new Democratic nominee.

I'll supply the fourth answer and grab the Veep spot: "Oh, what a goose I am".

re: #86 laZardo

More gaffe`s brought on by racism!

re: #57 republic

I suspect that at least part of the MSM's Obamamania is precisely because they know he is an overeducated pretty boy who lives in his own fantasyland 24/7. Which means that the likes of Pelosi, Reid, et al. will have no trouble controlling the agenda. Hillary, on the other hand, will most likely arrange an "accident" for anyone she even suspects of having an agenda different from her own.

Not to mention the certainty of the results when First Husband Bill regains access to the White House intern pool.

/It's been eight years, and he really misses them

cheers

eon

How crushing is it going to be for Obama when America, so finely tuned to reality shows like Survivor and American Idol, when his thongs of faithful followers grow tired and either vote him off the island or quit watching? Americans like their winners decided in 9 weeks or less, about the average span for those shows.
/after the break!

re: #75 alegrias

We ARE in a World War whether Obama accepts it or not.

It's instructive he hasn't been to Iraq for two years, though as a Senator and Presidential candidate he has every obligation to be thoroughly familiar with what US troops are doing there.

/Well he *IS* running for public office, you know.

Frankly, I don't think his non-presence in Iraq in the last two years, is by itself a disqualifying feature, but for someone whose war "plan" is to immediately draw down the US presence there, I am expecting a LOT more detail and grasp of the situation than I've seen from him thusfar.

What kind of "hope and change" is he offering Iraq after pulling out the US presence there?

re: #52 freedombilly

Indeed, they have such lovely beaches there! And the people are soooo friendly!

re: #89 Occasional Reader

I'll supply the fourth answer and grab the Veep spot: "Oh, what a goose I am".

The fourth question needs to be updated. The phrase is now, "Wah tah dor Kiam".

Get with it, people.

JAFLW

What kind of "hope and change" is he offering Iraq after pulling out the US presence there?

Iraq? Who the heck cares about Iraq? Can't you see I'm eating my waffle here?

/

re: #89 Occasional Reader

Just_A_Grunt/OccasionalReader 2008!

Some point between now and November the media needs to look into why Democrats will be abandoning the party in droves to vote for McCain, even while the Dems likely pick up seats in Congress and the Senate.

One word: Incompetence.

re: #97 itellu3times

Change for Hope!

re: #97 itellu3times

Just_A_Grunt/OccasionalReader 2008!

I just hope one of you is clean, and the other articulate.

My fear is that the majority of the world leaders today can identify with BHO...scary!

re: #97 itellu3times

Just_A_Grunt/OccasionalReader 2008!

Zombie/Little Old Lady 2008!

;P

JAFLW

re: #83 kansas

Yeah, but Ford was the Republican. Carter says nucular, he's brilliant, Bush prounouces it that way, he's an idiot.

* * *
Carter gives out classified information about our allies' capabilities, and he's allowed to live in peace with a presidential security detail.

I'd have him in GITMO, if I were Che Guevara, for betraying "the people", were I a communist.

JFK said it, life isn't fair. Even JFK would have prosecuted Carter. Thank heaven Teddy Kennedy tried to unseat the worst democrat president ever.

You know, this is really nitpicking.
Hey, this guy has more cosmic things on his mind, than histoty or geography.
So if he surrenders to Islip instead to Iran. Whats the big deal? Hey, they both start with an I. Come on!

It's worse than the press won't ask him any of the tough questions, they'll make up the wrong answers for him. Of course he didn't mean Auschwitz, he just was confused by the reflection of his halo shining in his eye.

Sure he meant his great uncle*, and a sub-camp of Buchenwald, er maybe Klinkenhogan - but still, his uncle-grandpa-anyone-but-his-Nigerian-relative spent 6 months in an attic. Or a grocery.

Who cares? He's just dreamy!

*Honestly, how loosely are they using the term great uncle, too? I'd really like to see a lineage here. Is it maybe nobody, Barak? Your neighbor's uncle's lodge buddy?

re: #98 JammieWearingFool

Some point between now and November the media needs to look into why Democrats will be abandoning the party in droves to vote for McCain, even while the Dems likely pick up seats in Congress and the Senate.

One word: Hillary.

/MSM-fix'd.

re: #88 republic

The fact that the America hating Obama is a serious contender, means it's just a matter of time, before an American hating candidate becomes POTUS.

* * *
Cough ***Carter****Cough

re: #98 JammieWearingFool

Heh. You and I are calling it.

And the coverage on this has been scant. Anybody get the feeling that Drudge is prObama?

Anyway this uncle, great uncle, friend of the family or whatever was from the dismissed typical white side of the family. Why would Barack Hussein know diddly about him?

OK Barry, let's have some facts ...

What Attic was your Grandpa / Great Uncle in?

Is it still there?

How long was he up there?

Who brought him food?

Was there a bathroom?

When did he go up into the attic?

When did he come down?

Who convinced him to come down?

....

Typical White Granny might know these things,
why not drag her out from under the bus?

Inquiring minds want to know more about this interesting story, or is it only a convenient story?

.....

Geez Louise, Barry, ya aren't just makin' this stuff up, are ya?

re: #69 Occasional Reader His GREAT Uncle? On the side of the mother he just threw under the bus?
Ya know, I'm sure I have a Great Uncle or two, but damned if I can remember their names, much less if they stayed in the attic for six months (trust me, in my family, that incident would be seared into the family's collective memory)!

This is a man who is likely to receive upward of 50 Million+ votes in November from the electorate in this country...

He is very dangerous, he is unfit for command...

To him, the past is ancient history that has held people and government back... It's all about Hope and Change... Nothing more...

Can I haz sushi?

re: #70 looking closely
Not to mention it was in a PREPARED SPEECH!

re: #100 itellu3times

I just hope one of you is clean, and the other articulate.

I showered just this morning, and my dentist has pronounced my home dental care as "excellent".

By turning down McCains offer to go to Iraq in my mind it confirms an opinion I have of him being nothing more then a metrosexual, out of touch, arrogant pretty boy. He didn't have to turn it down completely. He could have hedged around it and said something like he would have to work out the scheduling or he would be glad to talk about without committing to the trip. As it is in my eyes he is no better then those pukes who flee across the border to Canada when they get deployment orders. Makes you wonder where he would go when the chips get down and he was in charge. You can't just vote PRESENT when you are president.

Ok ok. Should he know better? Yes. If it was my great uncle it would be a point of pride for my family. We would know the unit, date, rank, etc. Do I hold this flub against Obama? No. The reason that I give him a pass is because Auschwitz has become the identifier for the camps. It isn't right, but I understand it.

At the very same time that I am understanding this I also understand more of the man. History, at least pro-American history is of very little importance to this man. This man will use ANYTHING to pander to his audience. Nothing new here, please move along.

Another racist relative to throw under the bus for telling Obama he liberated Auschwitz.

re: #115 realwest

Not to mention it was in a PREPARED SPEECH!

Great point. Not exactly an oversight, just coldly calculated to get a few jewish (thos people that your minister hates) votes.

re: #112 realwest

His GREAT Uncle? On the side of the mother he just threw under the bus?

Yep, on the side of his "racist" grandma.

Let's see now.......was that his African grandfather that liberated Auschwitz, or was it his white grandfather?

I’ve written several times that I suspect Barack Obama of being almost completely ignorant of world history.

It even goes deeper, the difference between his world and mine. Here is a man raised by two atheists (well, one after his dad bolted). To the best of my knowledge, he never participated in traditional American lifestyle....Boy Scouts, smaller public school, having huge respect and awe of our nation and its flag. Bowling. Beer.

This doesn't disqualify you from higher office, but I wonder how out-of-touch the messiah is to normal Americans (except those that want free stuff from the gov't).

"Candidate Obama, who is the president of Kazakhstan and will you meet with him over the caviar pipeline project?"

Candidate Obama, who is the supreme leader of Elbonia and will Amabasado Dilbert be freed soon?"

re: #115 realwest

Not to mention it was in a PREPARED SPEECH!

* * *
Realwest, Charles pointed out in yesterday's thread, the "uncle" remarks were made AFTER the prepared remarks, not during.

re: #117 Just_A_Grunt

True but with a larger Dem majority in Congress in 2009, they will just be making his job that much easier...

hey welcome to "are you smarter than a 5th grader"!

todays contestant democratic presedential nominee hopeful. barry hussien obama!

first question barry, from 1st grade US history, complete this saying.."George Washington is the father of WHAT?"

bh obama: er...um well I have a notion that..uh...my answer is "George Washington is the father of George Washington Jr? I have a notion I'll lock that answer in.."

ohhh sorry barry thats wrong, you should have copied off of little Timmy's answer...

re: #23 sattv4u2

$50 saye the other 5% don't either!

Helen Thomas doesn't remember anymore?

re: #103 alegrias

Carter gives out classified information about our allies' capabilities

Well, he balanced that out by giving away information about the capabilities of the "Soviet Union", too.

/

re: #118 mekan

It is only the identifier with the terminally ignorant, I expect more from an Ivy League presidential candidate.

It was a calculated crafty lie

This is the last section of Obama's Q&A on Memorial Day. After a couple of minutes, all you can hear is wind. It goes on blowing and blowing. It's so appropriate. It's the only vid of Obama talking that makes me smile.

re: #115 realwest

Not to mention it was in a PREPARED SPEECH!

It appears that actually he was spitballin'... deviated from the prepared speech.

The thing that gets me is that they didn't cite the little part about his crazy made up uncle....or even the uncle that was in the Navy. Yes we should know that the Army stopped at the Elbe, but more importantly he should know that his ass is gonna get fact-checked immediately.

re: #24 Sponge

How come McCain isn't making all these rediculous gaffes?

He is, remember back 75 days ago, March 17th, when McCain momentarily confused Shia and Sunni and Lieberman corrected him? There's your comparison - March 17th, 75 days ago.

re: #109 SpartanWoman

And the coverage on this has been scant. Anybody get the feeling that Drudge is prObama?

I've been getting that feeling for months now. Drudge has never covered the Rezko trial what-so-ever.

Vets for Freedom...
Ad goes after BHO.

Good Stuff.

re: #112 realwest

His GREAT Uncle? On the side of the mother he just threw under the bus?
Ya know, I'm sure I have a Great Uncle or two, but damned if I can remember their names, much less if they stayed in the attic for six months (trust me, in my family, that incident would be seared into the family's collective memory)!

Look the wrong death camp reference was bad enough, but come on.
You do not confuse a great uncle with an uncle. You know your uncle.
Odds are you never met your great uncle.
Did any source verify that the Obama great uncle actually was at a death camp.I doubt seriously that the NY Times is up to it.

re: #133 savage_nation

Hey Savage! How have you been sir? Where are you today?

re: #115 realwest

Not to mention it was in a PREPARED SPEECH!

He did "supposedly" stray from the script with his attic fantasy. He sounds like a public machine at times when he sticks to the script. But when he improvises it starts getting scary.

In fact, he sounds like your average 7th grade bass player improvising for a few choruses of Cherokee at quarter note equals 210.

Why would you expect him to know basic history if he had no idea what his Pastor Wright was preaching, for 20 years?

re: #129 Occasional Reader

Well, he balanced that out by giving away information about the capabilities of the "Soviet Union", too.

/

* * *
Don't you wish King Juan Carlos would tell DJhimmi to "Porque No Te Callas?"

re: #124 big L

"Candidate Obama, who is the president of Kazakhstan and will you meet with him over the caviar pipeline project?"

"The President and I have already scheduled a meeting without preconditions. Consul Sagdiyev was very helpful, though I will admit I did cringe a bit when he mentioned my "chocolate face.""

"Candidate Obama, who is the supreme leader of Elbonia and will Ambassador Dilbert be freed soon?"

"We've also scheduled a meeting, for the day after I meet with President Nursultan. The Supreme Leader has already requisitioned a special 4x4 vehicle with escorts to help me navigate through Elbonia's rugged terrain, one that he says is especially for VIPs."

Did everyone have enough to eat at breakfast? Vote Mc Cain

Are we sure Barry didn't just say his uncle liberated a Schlitz?

/ :-)

Actually, now that I think of it - I just became a great uncle... My nephew is exactly 44 years younger than I, lives on the other side of the country, and has seen me exactly zero times. I predict I could live on the moon, drinking human blood out of a severed head, and he would not be able to tell his best friend the story under pain of torture.

Not even the comfy chair. Seriously, who digs these stories up for him, Hillary? Is she trying to torpedo him? If so, she's got to try harder - Hill! There's a vast Dumb wing conspiracy afoot; they are not going to catch the little stuff. Drop the subtleties!

re: #136 Honorary Yooper

I've been getting that feeling for months now. Drudge has never covered the Rezko trial what-so-ever.

A more dilligent Drudge would have been all over this NOI thing. Maybe he's hired a bunch of moonbats so he can sunbathe.

More disturbing to me is that he can't give a Memorial Day speech without somehow making it all about him as if his great uncle's accomplishments somehow improve his stature.

re: #124 big L

"Candidate Obama, who is the president of Kazakhstan and will you meet with him over the caviar pipeline project?"

Candidate Obama, who is the supreme leader of Elbonia and will Amabasado Dilbert be freed soon?"

Candidate Obama, how will you improve relations with Azerbaijan, and will you support them in their ongoing struggle against Harry Potter?

re: #55 jcm

The Russians did? I thought Roosevelt had Hopkins do it.

It was the Germans that bombed Pearl Harbor; go back and watch Animal House again....sheesh. B-)

re: #122 KentuckyJoe

Let's see now.......was that his African grandfather that liberated Auschwitz, or was it his white grandfather?

No no, he meant his uncle liberated a Schlitz while on the couch. ;-)

re: #13 alegrias

Somehow, I don't think Obama spent a whole lot of time on Milwaukee Ave.

re: #142 alegrias

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Don't you wish King Juan Carlos would tell DJhimmi to "Porque No Te Callas?"

I'd rather his nurse tell him "porque no te vas a la sala de tele, ya es la hora de 'Matlock', pero no te olvides de tomar tus pastillas primero".

re: #146 Honorary Yooper

Are we sure Barry didn't just say his uncle liberated a Schlitz?

Long live arugula AND Schlitz!

re: #135 unrealizedviewpoint

He is, remember back 75 days ago, March 17th, when McCain momentarily confused Shia and Sunni and Lieberman corrected him? There's your comparison - March 17th, 75 days ago.

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And if McCain makes a gaffe, smart people who know their stuff tell him so right away, they're not worshipping McCain's every word. Mistakes are admitted & corrected, apologies & rejections & renouncements are immediate.

re: #149 TN_Vol

More disturbing to me is that he can't give a Memorial Day speech without somehow making it all about him as if his great uncle's accomplishments somehow improve his stature.

It's really all he has to improve his stature..dig out the "whitey" side. After all he can't point out that his daddy was a bigamist and that his big brother supports SHARIA can he?

re: #153 savage_nation

Nice! Stay safe.

re: #151 yitzy

It was the Germans that bombed Pearl Harbor; go back and watch Animal House again....sheesh. B-)

Animal House, I thought the definitive history was 1941?

THE PROBLEM is that this didn't happen in a debate with McCain...

How great would it have been if he had been caught in a debate mentioning his Uncle....and he was called on it?

"Did you just say your Uncle liberated Auschwitz?"

"I meant my great uncle"

"Was your great uncle a Russian?"

laughter from the WORLD! Game over...

re: #97 itellu3times

Just_A_Grunt/OccasionalReader 2008!

And they'd be better than Obama?Hillary too.
OY! Are we in DEEP doo-doo here!

re: #160 jcm

Animal House, I thought the definitive history was 1941?

Japanese sub commander: This radio is so big and bulky! If only there were a way to make it smaller.... [pensive look]

Hey Barry, I think you are making stuff up.

re: #161 Buck

Do you really think McCain would paddle his ass like that? I don't

re: #98 JammieWearingFool Hi Jammie! I sure hope you're correct about the Dems not voting at all or voting for McCain, but I'm not so sure of that.

In retrospect, we all shoulda started a "Gender Discrimination" campaign back when the Primaries first started.

re: #71 jorline

I think Dan Quayle could whip BHO's butt in a spelling bee. Go ahead and ask Dan to spell potato...he has that one down-pat.

That was written on a card by a teacher, and Quayle just read it off. I'd have done the same thing, then had a "WTF?" moment.

re: #149 TN_Vol

More disturbing to me is that he can't give a Memorial Day speech without somehow making it all about him as if his great uncle's accomplishments somehow improve his stature.

Don't forget the "fallen veterans" that he sees in the crowd.

Sheesh!

This is utterly unreal, like something out of "Night Gallery".

One candidate neither knows nor cares about "The Greatest Generation"--and he certainly doesn't plan to walk in their footsteps or follow their example.

re: #5 vxbush

I nominate Michelle Malkin to ask him those questions. Heh.

... followed by Mark Levin!

"Was your great uncle a Russian?"

laughter from the WORLD! Game over...

The problem is I really think the world would say "Hey, leave our candidate alone you mean old man... Can't you see he's the Obamessiah?"...

re: #161 Buck

THE PROBLEM is that this didn't happen in a debate with McCain...

How great would it have been if he had been caught in a debate mentioning his Uncle....and he was called on it?

"Did you just say your Uncle liberated Auschwitz?"

"I meant my great uncle"

"Was your great uncle a Russian?"

laughter from the WORLD! Game over...

McCain can always bring these gaffes up in any of the face to face, live, no teleprompter debates.

re: #125 alegrias

It can be found in the second video, which was clearly part of a Q&A after the initial prepared remarks.

BHO's VP campaigning in Texas...Surely this selection will strategically utilize Hillary's constituency.

Barack/Borat 08

re: #173 lawhawk

It can be found in the second video, which was clearly part of a Q&A after the initial prepared remarks.

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Thanks Lawhawk, that's what I thought Charles Johnson said yesterday, these TELLING remarks were made AFTER the prepared remarks.

re: #150 Occasional Reader

Azkaban, Azerbaijan. Same diff. /journalists

re: #161 Buck

THE PROBLEM is that this didn't happen in a debate with McCain...

How great would it have been if he had been caught in a debate mentioning his Uncle....and he was called on it?

"Did you just say your Uncle liberated Auschwitz?"

"I meant my great uncle"

"Was your great uncle a Russian?"

laughter from the WORLD! Game over...

If the polls show Obama ahead in October don't expect any debates.

re: #103 alegrias You know, on Fox News this morning, they had a liberal radio show talk host (don't remember who it was and it was not "Air America") and even HE said he couldn't understand why Carter would have said that. AND he said while the US is obliged to provide Carter with USSS protection, Carter is obliged to NOT disclose secret information!
BTW, didja know that, as a former President, Carter apparently - according to Fox News - has the right to request a "National Security" briefing anytime he asks for one?

WHY is the Democratic party putting forth this candidate?

re: #171 brent

The problem is I really think the world would say "Hey, leave our candidate alone you mean old man... Can't you see he's the Obamessiah?"...

It is the undecided's who elect presidents. Define an undecided.

re: #179 Ojoe

WHY is the Democratic party putting forth this candidate?

Because plenty of people will vote for a liar. It worked in 92

re: #179 Ojoe

WHY is the Democratic party putting forth this candidate?

Because they believe in him, and if any American doesn't vote for him, or if any American even questions anything he says or does, then that American is a "racist".

re: #179 Ojoe

WHY is the Democratic party putting forth this candidate?

Because he is everything that the modern Dem party is all about... Marxism, pacifism and appeasement...

re: #167 Ward Cleaver

LMAO...me too!

You're right - I think the media would say it was uncalled for to be mean to the 'messiah.... I think I've already seen that, now that I think back - the mean right wing comments about the Dems during the primaries.

Really, I'm sure Robin and CNN did a story on that. Like elementary school reporting, Billy was mean at lunch kind of journalism. Classy.

One thing that bugs the heck out of me is this; For all his talk and issues, Sir Gaffesalot is always talking about other people and what they did. Never once has he come out and said, I did this or I was involved in that. It is always about another person in his family or someone he knew. Never about him.

I would think the MSM should take a very close look at that. Maybe with the above admission, they might actually be getting a clue.

re: #125 alegrias Sorry, I was talking about his gaffe confusing Memorial Day and Veterans' Day. THAT WAS in his prepared speech.

re: #8 lurking faith

A serious presidential candidate should not also be a strong candidate to appear on Battle of the Jaywalk All-Stars.

DAMN YOU NOW I HAVE TO WIPE THE COKE OFF MY SCREEN.

re: #178 realwest

You know, on Fox News this morning, they had a liberal radio show talk host (don't remember who it was and it was not "Air America") and even HE said he couldn't understand why Carter would have said that. AND he said while the US is obliged to provide Carter with USSS protection, Carter is obliged to NOT disclose secret information!
BTW, didja know that, as a former President, Carter apparently - according to Fox News - has the right to request a "National Security" briefing anytime he asks for one?

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Hi Real, I saw that. Michael Reagan was the other guy in that discussion, and also helpfully pointed out that Carter gave us the Iranian Mullahs and Zimbabwe's Mugabe!

Carter's children and family are responsible for not asking their crazy relative to stay in the attic or rocker for the good of the country & world.

When McCain's 96 year old mother attacked Mormons on tv, McCain said "I love my mother but I do not share her opinion" or something like that.

Where are Carter's friends & family? Or are Carter's friends in agreement with his hateful behavior, as when they invite him to sit in the democrat presidential box at their conventions?

How would His Obamaship do on some really hard history questions, such as

1. "What was the date of the War of 1812?

2. Who were the antagonists in the Franco-Prussian War?

3. For whom is the country of Colombia named? The country of Bolivia?

4. Who discovered the Hudson River?

5. For whom is the city of Washington named?

re: #136 Honorary Yooper

I've been getting that feeling for months now. Drudge has never covered the Rezko trial what-so-ever.

Drudge is clearly in the tank for Obama and frankly, other than Monica, Drudge hasn't been worth very much.

re: #183 tfc3rid

Because he is everything that the modern Dem party is all about... Marxism, pacifism and appeasement...

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And appearances over action & substance.

How do you expect him to have knowledge of what occurred in WWII, more then half a century ago, when he doesn't know what occurred in his Church while he was sitting in the pew just recently?

re: #193 taxfreekiller

So, if the O'cult did drugs prior, any chance the dealer is available for comment on who sold to who and the amounts, any chance of re-sale to pay for the used stuff, you know like real world questions of the O'ccult's real past.

That's why the media is touting the MCClellan trashtome, to drag up old allegations on Bush and innoculate Hussein

re: #144 taxfreekiller
Hey TFK! GREAT POST - wish I could give you a thousand updings for it!

Look, if the Rev. Wright thing, and Ayers and REzko and everything isn't hitting Obama, he is bulletproof.

The MSM has done their job... Although they have obliterated Hillary Clinton in the process...

re: #198 buzzsawmonkey

dude, history is lost on most people nowadays... It's all about what have you done for me lately...

re: #135 unrealizedviewpoint

The Sunni and Shia can't keep each other straight, and they are killing each other. I don't really blame McCain if he confused one violent sect of rock worshipping death cultists for another sect of rock worshipping death cultists.

This wouldn't be an indication of the results of affirmative action would it? Just be glad that Obama is not your neurosurgeon.

This shows that Obama does not have an inquisitive mind. He never was curious about what happened to his grandfather or uncle or great uncle to even get the relations straight or to get the facts of the story straight. It shows that he heard a small inaccurate snippet of a story and just kept repeating it without ever reading a book or apparently ever talking to his relative about what happened. I don't think he cares because it doesn't involve him and to a narcissistic mind like his, why delve any further?

re: #115 realwest

I think the Obamanation's reference to an Uncle living in the attic for 6 months came about as an "off the cuff" remark. The topic was about Post Traumatic Stress Disorder -- and the question about PTSD, then triggered Obama's remark about the Uncle liberating Auschwitz, then spending 6 months in an attic (and how at that time there was no treatment). (I also don't think Obama was speaking from the point of view of an "eye-witness" or that he saw his Great Uncle in the attic -- I believe he was repeating stories that he had heard family members tell...) Also, slightly off topic, the gaffe about the number of States in the Union -- forgetting that the total is 50 -- I suspect that comes from the fact that Obama spent his early, elementary (primary) school years in Indonesia -- he wasn't educated in the United States...(frankly I believe elementary school education is vital/formative/crucial...)

re: #47 buzzsawmonkey

WaPo's "Fact Checker" should also know better.

All of the death camps were in Poland, though the Nazis built many forced-labor camps elsewhere where the death toll was horrific.

THE DEATH CAMPS SOLE JOB WERE TO BE FACTORIES OF DEATH, THE OTHER CAMPS WERE COLLECTION CAMPS & SLAVE LABOR CAMPS WERE YOU WERE WORKED TO DEATH. THE MAIN DIFFERENCE WAS IN THE DEATH CAMP YOU WERE MURDERED JUST AS YOU GOT THEIR, IN THE SLAVE LABOR CAMPS YOU WERE WORKED TO DEATH. OTHER CAMPS WERE FOR POW'S FROM ALLIED COUNTRIES OTHER THAN THE SOVIET UNION WERE THE CONDITIONS WERE NOT AS BAD AS THE CAMPS FOR JEWS, ROMANIE AND SOVIET POW'S.

re: #34 savage_nation

We didn't WANT to be in Berlin. We decided to let the Soviets take the 50,000 casualties in the last month of the war.

re: #203 J.S.

So it's ok to lie and distort "off the cuff" if you are Obama?

The press is amazing

re: #198 buzzsawmonkey

Wrong. ALL of them were.

Arguably Dachau - located in Germany - could be labeled a "death camp", although it did not kill on anything like the scale of, say, Treblinka.

re: #189 alegrias "Or are Carter's friends in agreement with his hateful behavior, as when they invite him to sit in the democrat presidential box at their conventions?"
Ding, Ding, Ding - we have a winnah here folks!

Good morning folks. I haven't read through the Obama threads, so forgive me if this stuff has already been posted, but it is interesting to see how the MSM is still covering up for the O-Messiah.

From AP: Obama mistaken on name of Nazi death camp

"Senator Obama's family is proud of the service of his grandfather and uncles in World War II — especially the fact that his great-uncle was a part of liberating one of the concentration camps at Buchenwald," campaign spokesman Bill Burton said in a statement. "Yesterday he mistakenly referred to Auschwitz instead of Buchenwald in telling of his personal experience of a soldier in his family who served heroically."

Aides said Tuesday that his grandmother's brother, Charlie Payne, helped liberate a Buchenwald sub-camp in April 1945 as part of the 89th Infantry Division.

...but they're not doing a very good job of it. According to this Obama Family Tree, Obama's grandmother, Madelaine (Payne) Durham had no brothers. The only Charles Payne, was a great-great-grandfather born in 1861. He did not serve in WW2. He had a son, Obama's great-grandfather, Rolla C. Payne. He did not serve either. Unless there are some siblings not listed, then Obama had no uncles nor great uncles named Charles Payne.
This is a list of all the men from Kansas named Charles Payne who served in the US military during WW2. None of them appear in the Obama Family Tree.

re: #60 Just_A_Grunt

Wrong. The answer to the question, "what's a greek urn" is "about" 3 euros an hour."

re: #190 Clio Hey! C'mon now, those questions are HARD!
/

re: #206 SpartanWoman

Sure. Just like it's "okay" to kill 40 million of your own people if you're trying to guarantee them jobs and universal health care.

That's why Hitler is looked at as a bigger mass murderer than Stalin.

re: #209 Kenneth

I doubt if the MSM cares about trivial facts...this man is the stuff of legends, LEGENDS I tell you.

re: #193 taxfreekiller Nope, said drug dealer is, no doubt, either dead or in a Max prison lock up.
And will remain there for a loooong time.

re: #161 Buck

People forget (or ignore the fact) George W. Bush majored in History at Yale. He has made a point of reading history every since. I'm sure Bush had a chuckle at Obama's idiocy, too.

The WaPo guy missed the point.

It isn't so much that Mr. Obama made a mistake. Heck, a lot of us could have made a similar mistake.

The issue is that the major news media did not say anything about it for 48 hours. When George Bush makes a mistake, it's published before he finishes the sentence.

If the media is as balanced as they claim, they should point out mistakes like this one that Mr. Obama makes on a regular basis.

re: #78 Iron Fist

,

For the first time in recorded history, ships sank beneath water!

[/Rosie]

/How can steel ships float?
That's impossible!

I believe that the American people are more concerned with things that are important to them, such as free health care, their jobs, foreclosure of their homes, etc. These are real issues facing the American people NOW--not trivial things that happened in the PAST.

OK just typing that made me sick to my stomach.

CHANGE!

re: #209 Kenneth

JUST SHUT UP WITH YOUR RACIST FACTS, WOULD YOU!

re: #206 SpartanWoman

Exactly. It's all about "da feelings.." "emotional impressions..." "the horrors of War..." "the fact that war renders all participants crazoid..." (it's the MSM's "peace meme"). Thus the pass.

re: #138 opnion

Look the wrong death camp reference was bad enough, but come on.
You do not confuse a great uncle with an uncle. You know your uncle.
Odds are you never met your great uncle.
Did any source verify that the Obama great uncle actually was at a death camp.I doubt seriously that the NY Times is up to it.

Those of you scoffing at the idea that a person could refer to a great-uncle as simply an uncle really ought to stop assuming that everybody's family is structured just like yours.

I knew some of my great-aunts and great-uncles very well indeed, and while I certainly knew the difference in genealogy, we kids normally called them "Uncle Harry" or "Aunt Mary" without bothering to tack on the "Great."

And that's from a kid who also had a passel of ACTUAL aunts and uncles of the parental-sibling type.

re: #219 buzzsawmonkey

IIRC they did construct gas chambers at Dachau, but it's unclear if they were used. And I think they murdered quite a lot by hanging at Dachau. But I would agree that the true "death camps" - the ones completely dedicated to industrialized mass murder - were all in Poland.

Very interesting post from another Lizard (pesky fact checkers), stuiec

The unit roster of the 89th Division is here:

http://89infdivww2.org//home/list_p.htm

This is the page with last names beginning with P.

A Pfc C. T. Payne is listed as serving with the 355th Infantry Regiment, the one that liberated the Ohrdruf subcamp of the Buchenwald complex.

A Pfc. W. C. Payne is listed as serving with the 354th.

But there is no C. W. Payne listed.

Can someone clarify that?

re: #182 republic

That means MILLIONS OF AMERICANS are racist. Which is why the UN wants to come here to investigate us.

re: #203 J.S. Yes, you are correct, as so many others have said! However, his Memorial Day speech in which he commemorated the deaths of American soldiers - some of whom he saw in the audience - came from his prepared text for that speech.
It's bad enough that Obama doesn't know American History (and incidentally, I call BS on that elementary school stuff - I learned it in high school and re-learned it in my obligatory Freshman History 101) but that his advisors and speech writers don't know it either.
And that he's now got Jimmy Carter's National Security advisor on his staff, says TONS about his lack of judgement. I don't think there's been a President who was SO BAD on Foreign affairs as Carter and Obama hires Carter's man for his staff?
Obama is just too young, too ignorant, and too unprepared for being a Senator, much less POTUS.

re: #222 lurking faith

Auschwitz:Buchenwald
Uncle:Great Uncle:neighbor
Truth:lie

po-tay-to: po-tah-to, huh?

I'll be surprised if this relative even exists

re: #209 Kenneth

Good morning folks. I haven't read through the Obama threads, so forgive me if this stuff has already been posted, but it is interesting to see how the MSM is still covering up for the O-Messiah.

From AP: Obama mistaken on name of Nazi death camp

...but they're not doing a very good job of it. According to this Obama Family Tree, Obama's grandmother, Madelaine (Payne) Durham had no brothers. The only Charles Payne, was a great-great-grandfather born in 1861. He did not serve in WW2. He had a son, Obama's great-grandfather, Rolla C. Payne. He did not serve either. Unless there are some siblings not listed, then Obama had no uncles nor great uncles named Charles Payne.
This is a list of all the men from Kansas named Charles Payne who served in the US military during WW2. None of them appear in the Obama Family Tree.

Can I expect to see this on the news this evening?

/absolute sarcasm

Holy #$(*�!
That was in the WaPo? And they gave the Obamessiah "Three Pinocchios for 'significant factual errors'?" There's an avian swine leaving the hangar for sure.

It's like Limbaugh said yesterday - this guy is the total product of liberal indoctrination in schools. It's no wonder that he doesn't know where things in history happened.

Of course, since he's a total liar in this case, so it doesn't matter where anything is, as long as it fits his narrative. Which, by the way, is a word that I hope would go away for a while.

In my experience, a lot of barneys aren't as smart as they'd like you to believe.

re: #179 Ojoe

WHY is the Democratic party putting forth this candidate?

Why is the Republican party putting forth McCain?

Sigh.

re: #219 buzzsawmonkey

IIRC, in the early days, the nazis began to kill off the mentally handicapped and other "undesirables" who were in hospitals in Germany. The euthanasia campaign...But the nazis became fearful that German citizens (when they found out) would raise a fuss and put a stop to it. Thus, the nazis decided to locate killing camps outside of Germany...(would also, according to the nazi ideology, keep nazi/Aryan hands' "clean" -- also why the nazis tried to use as many non-Germans in their mobile killing units as they could find.)

re: #210 E tan e epi tan

Wrong. The answer to the question, "what's a greek urn" is "about" 3 euros an hour."

To be fair, the question is best asked verbally.

re: #209 Kenneth EXCELLENT JOB KENNETH! If you weren't so damned honest, I think you could get a job at the MSM hiding or making up facts as they go!

re: #28 Just_A_Grunt

Well, if he is sooooo tired now, how will he ever be last until November.

Maybe we should just make him the Pres now so he can get some sleep in the next 6 months. I'm sure GW has a place for him in the Lincoln bedroom.

re: #190 Clio

How would His Obamaship do on some really hard history questions, such as

1. "What was the date of the War of 1812?

I heard of date rape, but I never heard of date war!

2. Who were the antagonists in the Franco-Prussian War?

Spain and Russia.

3. For whom is the country of Colombia named? The country of Bolivia?

Joe Colombo and Bolivia Newton-John.

4. Who discovered the Hudson River?

J. L.

5. For whom is the city of Washington named?

Denzel.

How'd I do?

Maybe McCain shouldn't ask Obama for debates, maybe they should have competitive history exams.

re: #232 itellu3times

In a country of 250 million people, why does it come down to these two?
- Frank Zappa on the 1980 election

re: #222 lurking faith

Those of you scoffing at the idea that a person could refer to a great-uncle as simply an uncle really ought to stop assuming that everybody's family is structured just like yours.

I knew some of my great-aunts and great-uncles very well indeed, and while I certainly knew the difference in genealogy, we kids normally called them "Uncle Harry" or "Aunt Mary" without bothering to tack on the "Great."

And that's from a kid who also had a passel of ACTUAL aunts and uncles of the parental-sibling type.

I really don't care that much about the screw-up on the relations. He could have a grandmother giving him bad information. The fact that Obama hears the story and then never wants to learn anything else about what happened is what tells me the most. He never cracked a book on the subject, watched a show on the History Channel or checked out a web site to learn more so that's why his telling of the story is all screwed-up.

I know a guy who's grandfather was in the Battle of the Bulge. The guy doesn't know a thing about the battle. He apparently doesn't care to know more. It was cold and there were Nazis and Americans - that's it. The guy looks like an idiot when you try to talk to him about what his grandfather did. Obama also looks like an idiot.

re: #209 Kenneth

Good morning folks. I haven't read through the Obama threads, so forgive me if this stuff has already been posted, but it is interesting to see how the MSM is still covering up for the O-Messiah.

From AP: Obama mistaken on name of Nazi death camp

...but they're not doing a very good job of it. According to this Obama Family Tree, Obama's grandmother, Madelaine (Payne) Durham had no brothers. The only Charles Payne, was a great-great-grandfather born in 1861. He did not serve in WW2. He had a son, Obama's great-grandfather, Rolla C. Payne. He did not serve either. Unless there are some siblings not listed, then Obama had no uncles nor great uncles named Charles Payne.
This is a list of all the men from Kansas named Charles Payne who served in the US military during WW2. None of them appear in the Obama Family Tree.

Ah. So it's apparently not a casually-referred-to great uncle, but a completely imaginary (great) uncle.

THAT deserves all the scorn anybody cares to heap on it.

A Charles W. Payne from Kansas enlisted in the Navy shortly after Pearl Harbor.

re: #226 realwest

I agree...but about the elementary school education -- as I beleive another poster has pointed out, Obama just didn't have an early, formative education in the United States. It was in Indonesia. (Daniel Pipes also asserts that his elementary school days were spent as a Muslim...not, of course that this makes Obama a Muslim -- but I think it says something about Obama...Perhaps one of the reasons why no one can really get a handle on who this guy is -- is because Obama himself has identity issues...he wasn't raised like the majority of Americans...in some ways he's like a naturalized American.)

re: #240 HBob "Obama also is looks like an idiot."
There, fixed that for ya!

re: #244 realwest

"Obama also is looks like an idiot."
There, fixed that for ya!

My bad -we thank ya. Have a nice day.

re: #28 Just_A_Grunt

I am getting tired of the argument that is coming in the midst of a long campaign season.

Me too. Also this "long" election season hasn't even seen the beginning of the general election where things really get tiring. Obama is young and fit and intelligent (at least he seems to be), there is no excuse at all for so many "gaffes"..

In my opinion he used Auschwitz on purpose thinking that it is the only concentration camp that most American's have heard of and figured we'd be all too dumb to figure it out.

Hi, I'm Forrest. Forrest Gump. Run Forrest runnnnnnnnnnnnnn!

Gump/Obama 08

I'm sure there are plenty of professors, and endless numbers of high school teachers, who will insist that what's important about history is narratives, not facts.

After all (they'll say) anyone can look up facts. Besides, I have my narrative and you have yours and the narratives of oppressed peoples differ from those of the oppressor,

Alternative narratives, alternative facts: welcome to Harvard (and lesser institutions of learning).

Per Ancestry.com:

a Charles PAYNE and Leona MCCURRY married in Kansas about 1922 and had the following children:

Madelyn PAYNE
Charles W. PAYNE born about 1924.
Arlene PAYNE born about 1926.

Also, I just read in a couple of places that said Charles Payne served in the Navy. The US Navy, while a great institution, is not Patton's Third Army.

What next?

Bottom line - Senator O may not make thing up entirely out of whole cloth, but he embroiders nicely.

Oh what a tangled web we weave....

re: #117 Just_A_Grunt

.... You can't just vote PRESENT when you are president.

Well put.

re: #227 SpartanWoman

He may not exist.

I was just trying to point out that the argument "I never knew any of my great uncles; therefore he can't have known any of his great uncles" is based on a fallacious assumption.

There are enough facts to condemn many of Obama's various stories; we don't need to drag things that feel truthy to us into it.

re: #246 Soccer Fan

Me too. Also this "long" election season hasn't even seen the beginning of the general election where things really get tiring. Obama is young and fit and intelligent (at least he seems to be), there is no excuse at all for so many "gaffes"..

In my opinion he used Auschwitz on purpose thinking that it is the only concentration camp that most American's have heard of and figured we'd be all too dumb to figure it out.

ANd he's be right. The media does not give a crap and most of his youth vote do not know the difference between the two world wars.

re: #209 Kenneth

The next big question.

Who was in the attic and what was he doing?

One might say that for Obama, the Uncles are coming home to roost.

re: #224 Yankee Division Son

Obama had a great-great-grandfather Charles T. Payne born in 1861. He had a son, Obama's great-grandfather, Rolla C. Payne. It is possible he had other sons not listed in this family tree. There was a C. T. Payne in the 89th Infantry Division, which liberated Ohrdruf Camp. So it is possible this is the family member Obama is referring to, a great-uncle, and he just got the details mixed up.

Unfit To Lead the World

The Auschwitz keffluffle is a galvanizing business case for Obama to not be President.

It is instructive of his knowledge base and thinking- the internal intellectual mechanisms and in each regard, BHO comes up short.

There are lots of guys named Charlie Payne so, for now, the current news that Obama's uncle was in the Navy and not even in the Army will be ignored but if true it only gets worse.

The lack of knowledge of historical fact evinced is nothing short of frightening. To not know where Auschwitz is located means that Obama's knowledge of the seminal events of the last century- the REASON THE WORLD IS WHAT IT IS, WWII, is an irrelevant arcane lacuna completely not of interest to BHO. It indicates that Obama lives in world in which WWII is a subject studiously ignored throughout his intellectual development. American triumph, dynanism to say nothing of heroism and glory does not mean a whole lot the Democratic standard bearer presumptive. Ask him to give even a cursory recounting of what happened in the war, or heaven forfend, how it came to happen and BHO does not know or knows very little.

Do not forget, this guy is SMART. He does not have rocks in his head. He made law review at Harvard and was editor there- Barry is not dumb, the problem is his operating system and his data files.

BHO's comments about Ahmadinejad are part and parcel of a world view where Jerry Wright is right and America is wrong. Obama is a man of the far left. You know he thought Gorbachev was wonderful, adored Arafat (his wreath can go right next to Carter's) and it was all he could do not to spit when Reagan came on TV. To him. inaccuracy about WWII is irrelevant because WWII was irrelevant. How do you honor those who fought in the greatest struggle in human history by falsifying that history? Moreover, in the critical theory and deconstructionist milieu of BHO factual accuracy and moral clarity are passe, folks we are not looking at another George Washington here.

Give me five minutes in a man's library and I can tell you who they are. If their library is under the mattress, they are one kind of person, if their library is filled with the works of Critical Legal Theorists, Derrida and Herbert Marcuse they are quite another. Obama's library seems clearly one of the later. The Wright controversy, his association with former unrepentant Weather Underground leaders, his half hearted association with the flag and his lack of response to Michelle's comments about when she was ever proud of this country all paint a picture. A picture of a man whose intellectual ideology and moral cosmological makeup views this nation and its history as The Problem, something shameful and alien.

What possible good can come from a President who thinks the highest expression of the bedrock American ideals of citizenship and responsibility is not even a subject worthy of his study?

re: #240 HBob

Obama is an idiot, that's why he looks like one!

re: #256 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

How can you possibly know what is in Obama's library? How is what you've said anything other than baseless speculation?

201 - Kansas,

Affirmative action undoubtedly played a role in Obama's education. Grading is blind in law schools but leftist professors with agendas will often adjust. That is no secret. If Obama were truly a magna cum laude law school graduate, why was his last job working as a community organizer (whatever that is). A more egregious example of affirmative action is his wife. For some reason, she has not been registered to practice law in Illinois since 1993. See this link:
[Link: www.iardc.org...]

133-savage...yeah hahahaha. a good one...

re: #258 JustMyView

How can you possibly know what is in Obama's library? How is what you've said anything other than baseless speculation?

The reference to the library is but a metaphor for the questionable acquaintances Obama keeps. Geez!

re: #258 JustMyView

It's speculation. But not, necessarily, baseless.

re: #256 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Excellent!

re: #258 JustMyView

How can you possibly know what is in Obama's library? How is what you've said anything other than baseless speculation?

As a graduate of Harvard Law, BHO can be assumed to have read and studied the usual texts required at that school.

Any other assumptions about his reading list would have to be somewhat vague, but the inclusion of certain types of books is not unreasonable based on the man's frequently stated ideas about the world.

re: #259 dekalb

201 - Kansas,

Affirmative action undoubtedly played a role in Obama's education. Grading is blind in law schools but leftist professors with agendas will often adjust. That is no secret. If Obama were truly a magna cum laude law school graduate, why was his last job working as a community organizer (whatever that is). A more egregious example of affirmative action is his wife. For some reason, she has not been registered to practice law in Illinois since 1993. See this link:
[Link: www.iardc.org...]

His community organizer job was after his undergraduate degree and before he went to law school. After he went to law school, he had a job in a Chicago law firm and taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago, which is one of the nation's finest law schools.

Michelle left the practice of law some time back, which is probably why she hasn't maintained her license.

re: #258 JustMyView

Go read Obama's books to get an idea of what is in his library:

To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist Professors and the structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets. We smoked cigarettes and wore leather jackets. At night, in the dorms, we discussed neocolonialism, Franz Fanon, Eurocentrism, and patriarchy. When we ground out our cigarettes in the hallway carpet or set our stereos so loud that the walls began to shake, we were resisting bourgeois society's stifling constraints. We weren't indifferent or careless or insecure. We were alienated.

That's Obama's own words from DREAMS FROM MY FATHER:A STORY OF RACE AND INHERITANCE.

Buchenwald, Schmuchenwald, Auschwitz, Mauschwitz, who cares where a bunch of Joos were cremated live, least of all a would be president of the USA?
They were incinerated all over the place anyway, Wright?

re: #267 nocensorship

Please tell us you were being sarcastic?

re: #268 Kenneth

It's pretty obvious I think...(definitely sarcasm).

re: #266 Kenneth

Go read Obama's books to get an idea of what is in his library:

That's Obama's own words from DREAMS FROM MY FATHER:A STORY OF RACE AND INHERITANCE.

True, but it relates to a long ago period of his life, and it's clear that he is describing a sort of late adolescent political posturing, which is not unusual among college students. Most recently, he's talked about reading Team of Rivals, the great book about the Lincoln presidency by Doris Kearns Goodwin. There are lots of reasons why he might have gotten the name of the concentration camp wrong that have nothing to do with his general knowledge of American or world history.

I'm not saying he's an expert historian; I don't know. But we haven't seen any evidence to indicate that he is more or less well schooled in history than other American politicians. My own bet is that he's a lot more well-informed than the current occupant of the White House was when he started out.

re: #255 Kenneth

Obama had a great-great-grandfather Charles T. Payne born in 1861. He had a son, Obama's great-grandfather, Rolla C. Payne. It is possible he had other sons not listed in this family tree. There was a C. T. Payne in the 89th Infantry Division, which liberated Ohrdruf Camp. So it is possible this is the family member Obama is referring to, a great-uncle, and he just got the details mixed up.