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CAIR Seething Over Another Dress Code

Wed, May 28, 2008 at 8:44:12 am PDT

Here we go again, with yet another demand by Muslims for special treatment in the workplace, backed up by the Saudi-funded, Hamas-linked Council on American Islamic Relations: Muslim women: Dress code violates faith.

Their employer requires them to wear “immodest” clothing, they say. Definition of “immodest” in this case: you can see that they possess legs.

A group of Muslim workers allege they were fired by a New Brighton tortilla factory for refusing to wear uniforms that they say were immodest by Islamic standards.

Six Somali women claim they were ordered by a manager to wear pants and shirts to work instead of their traditional Islamic clothing of loose-fitting skirts and scarves, according to the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), a civil liberties group that is representing the women. The women have filed a religious discrimination complaint with the federal Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.

For these women, wearing tight-fitting pants is like being naked,” said Valerie Shirley, a spokeswoman for the Minnesota chapter of CAIR. “It’s simply not an option.”

CAIR issued a press release calling on Mission Foods to reinstate the women in their jobs. However, the group declined to disclose the names of the women and would not make them available for interviews Tuesday.

Gruma Corp., the Irving, Texas-based parent company of Mission Foods, released a written statement Tuesday denying that any employees were terminated or disciplined at the New Brighton plant. However, the company made clear the six women have been relieved of their responsibilities for the time being, and may ultimately lose their jobs if they don’t wear uniforms.

(Hat tip: LGF readers.)

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1 Honorary Yooper  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:45:13am

Wear the uniform or go back to Somalia.

2 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:46:53am

So I guess Hooters is completely out of the question.

3 Ojoe  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:47:35am

'course, ultimately they'd like all the women here to wear their uniform.

4 Orbit Rain  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:47:43am

“For these women, wearing tight-fitting pants is like being naked,”

...no, it's your lack of self-control that violates them... obviously your "faith" has determined you are too weak to control your own minds...you are slaves...

SUBMIT !

5 jcm  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:47:56am

Sir you wife was modest right up until her loose clothing got caught in a machine. It will be awhile before we extricate all of her remains.
/

6 debutaunt  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:48:06am

Become Americans? Hah!

7 inkling  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:48:11am
"For these women, wearing tight-fitting pants is like being naked."

You say that like it's a bad thing.

8 EC Marm  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:48:20am

And if they don't enforce a dress code and someone is injured when loose fitting clothing is worn, OSHA will swoop down on the factory. But OSHA is not mentioned in the koran.

9 gibsonz  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:48:24am

re: #2 Occasional Reader

So I guess Hooters is completely out of the question.
------------
Not for me!

10 Isobutyrate  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:48:30am

It's o.k. if they get their loose-fitting clothes caught in dangerous machinery, as long as they're modest while losing limbs.

11 lobosan5  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:48:33am

WE'RE HERE!
WE'RE AMERICAN!
GET OVER IT!

...or go back to where you came from.

12 perfectsense  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:49:05am

“For these women, wearing tight-fitting pants is like being naked,”

Not to be confused with:

“For these women, wearing suicide belts is fulfilling their religious duty"

13 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:49:14am
14 Spiritualized  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:49:24am
Valerie Shirley

Moonbat convert or just a volunteer muppet?

15 Just_A_Grunt  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:49:37am

Work someplace else! Sometimes the simplest solutions are the best.
I wouldn't expect to go to work as a Victoria Secrets model.
/Now security guard is a different matter

16 Ward Cleaver  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:49:43am

re: #5 jcm

Sir you wife was modest right up until her loose clothing got caught in a machine. It will be awhile before we extricate all of her remains.
/

Exactly.

17 Ward Cleaver  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:50:06am

re: #10 Isobutyrate

It's o.k. if they get their loose-fitting clothes caught in dangerous machinery, as long as they're modest while losing limbs.

Do it yourself shari'a.

18 Spiny Norman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:50:17am

Were they required to wear uniforms at the time they were hired?

If not, they might have a case. If they were, which is almost certainly likely, then STFU or GFTO.

19 debutaunt  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:50:21am

The great melting pot of America.

20 Hadith Harry  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:50:23am

You can always pick up fares at the airport in Minneapolis... Wait a second...

21 Golem Akbar  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:50:35am

re: #5 jcm

Sir you wife was modest right up until her loose clothing got caught in a machine. It will be awhile before we extricate all of her remains.
/

OSHA meets CAIR. CAIR, say hello to safety standards.

22 Shug  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:51:09am

Fire Them. Then deport them. All the loose fitting clothes they want in Somalia.

23 Ward Cleaver  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:51:25am

re: #18 Spiny Norman

Were they required to wear uniforms at the time they were hired?

If not, they might have a case. If they were, which is almost certainly likely, then STFU or GFTO.

They knew the terms of employment when they were hired. Hell, they probably toured the plant. My guess is that they were put up to this by CAIR.

24 livefreeor die  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:51:33am

Did I miss the Constitutional amendment where everyone has the right to work at Gruma Corp and Gruma Corp must accommodate them no matter how unsafe it will be? How about this-look for a job that has a dress code more amenable to your traditions and stop forcing them on everyone else!

25 opnion  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:51:58am

"For these women wearing tight fitting slacks is like being naked"
Say what? Damn I remeber back in the day when I was trying to get lucky , that logic would have come in handy. :"UH, Liz, ya know your slacks are really tight. Looks like you are naked. Why not , you know just take em off?"
Thats the ticket

26 jcm  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:52:05am

re: #21 Golem Akbar

OSHA meets CAIR. CAIR, say hello to safety standards.

Ohhh! Can I buy front row seats, that's a match I want to see.

27 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:52:09am
28 Ward Cleaver  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:52:10am

re: #21 Golem Akbar

OSHA meets CAIR. CAIR, say hello to safety standards.

OSHA, say hello to religious exceptions.

/more likely outcome

29 lawhawk  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:52:18am

How much do you want to be that wearing pants and long sleeve shirts is a policy so that their clothes do not get caught in the machinery that might maim or kill them?

Buy a clue - the dress code isn't for immodesty or religious purposes, but in all likelihood to protect the workers from serious injury.

30 Spiny Norman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:52:53am

re: #23 Ward Cleaver

They knew the terms of employment when they were hired. Hell, they probably toured the plant. My guess is that they were put up to this by CAIR.

My thoughts exactly.

31 Ojoe  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:53:38am

re: #29 lawhawk

Of course that's why.

32 Isobutyrate  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:53:50am

Whose fault is it when the conveyor belt rips off her loose clothing, and she's instantly immodest?

Her fault! Stone her!

33 rabidsquirrel  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:54:03am

Why are they working in the first place? Isn't it haraam for muslim women to have jobs under Sharia?

34 JammieWearingFool  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:54:25am

Just tell them tortillas contains microscopic portions of pork stomachs and alcohol, and presto, problem solved.

35 Shug  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:54:51am

Gruma Corp., the Irving, Texas-based parent company of Mission Foods, released a written statement Tuesday saying they are moving their factory to mexico

36 republic  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:54:54am

Hey cair.........

How very sad.

Thanks Ojoe, for the tactic of posting, and remaining a unbanned Lizard.

37 livefreeor die  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:55:12am

re: #33 rabidsquirrel

Why are they working in the first place? Isn't it haraam for muslim women to have jobs under Sharia?

Good point. Shouldn't they be accompanied by a male relative?

38 BingoBunny  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:55:23am

"for these women wearing tight fitting pants is like being naked"... NO being whipped and clubbed in the street for having your ankle visable.. is like being naked.

39 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:55:26am

I'm sorry, they must be forced to be working there.

Oh, they're not?

Then they have a choice; follow safety guidelines or get the hell out.

40 opnion  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:55:37am

Ok, do they get to wear bags on the company softball team? Damn, Fatimas burqua made her muff that grounder

41 mbruce  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:55:51am

SO those nudists that are looking for work can work alongside them, no probs?

42 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:56:02am

re: #29 lawhawk


the dress code isn't for immodesty or religious purposes, but in all likelihood to protect the workers from serious injury.

Of course they'll sue the company if they get injured. Then demand the equipment be modified to accommodate sharia compliant clothing.

43 Spiny Norman  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:56:26am

re: #34 JammieWearingFool

Just tell them tortillas contains microscopic portions of pork stomachs and alcohol, and presto, problem solved.

Until relatively recently, tortillas were made with lard. I think they still are in Mexico.

Does Mission Foods sell in Mexico?

44 republic  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:56:51am

Wow, Charles is putting threads up faster than I have ever seen, this early.

There is a very bad craziness loose.

45 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:58:02am

Sorry Somali ladies but you have to roll up your sleeves when making tortillas, that's just they way it's done....Otherwise you'll be getting cornmeal batter on your clothing.

Besides, loose fitting clothing is a hazard in any factory; it gets caught in machinery and is prone to catch fire while cooking.

If you don't like it, well, you're free to work someplace else.

46 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:58:19am
47 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:58:20am

While we're at it, "Mission Foods" should be forced to change their name, since their current name constitutes assaultive Christo-fascist hate speech.

Which brings us - this being a story set in Minnesota - to that terribly insulting city known as "St. Paul"...

48 laZardo  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:58:30am

One of them will refuse.

And her body will be found in a ditch somewhere some weeks afterward.

49 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:58:37am
50 Hadith Harry  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:58:41am

How about being a checker at a Minneapolis Target? No wait a sec, that won't work... Hmmmm. How about flag pole operator at the Tarek ibn Ziyad Academy in St. Paul? Wait, that won't work either.

Darn it! What kind of country are we running here? Is there nothing we can find for easily offended Islamists to do?

I don't think so either. How 'bout we just send them all checks and not ask them to assimilate or contribute to our society at all. Seems to have worked for the Brits and the Dutch.

51 Shug  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:59:04am

re: #49 savage_nation

When are we gonna find someone with enough balls to shove RICO up CAIR's ass?

Michael savage

52 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:59:04am

re: #46 buzzsawmonkey

I wouldn't worry about a tempest in a tortilla factory. I'm sure the controversy will just pita out by itself.

Why should we listen to you? This is nacho area of expertise.

53 JammieWearingFool  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:59:13am

re: #43 Spiny Norman

Until relatively recently, tortillas were made with lard. I think they still are in Mexico.

Does Mission Foods sell in Mexico?

Not sure. I scarfed down the last of the shells with my world-famous grilled fajitas the other night, so I have nothing handy to check here.

54 Sharmuta  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:59:24am

re: #33 rabidsquirrel

Why are they working in the first place? Isn't it haraam for muslim women to have jobs under Sharia?

In Minnesota- to retain welfare- you have to seek employment.

55 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:59:37am
56 Shug  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:59:57am

re: #52 Occasional Reader

Why should we listen to you? This is nacho area of expertise.


Hey, wait a minudo

57 opnion  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:00:21am

If they are working around moving machinery, loose fitting clothing is a clear OSHA violation.
Heck, OSHA will cite you for fire extinguishers not being the required distance from the floor or not having horse shoe toilet seats.
The comany's work comp carrier would have serious questions as well.

58 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:00:28am

John Bolton to be target of citizen's arrest at Hay Festival

Mr Monbiot, a columnist for The Guardian newspaper, plans to detain him as he steps off stage at the end of his talk. He said he was prepared to jump on stage and perform the citizen's arrest there if necessary.

He claimed Mr Bolton was "instrumental in preparing and initiating the Iraq war by disseminating false claims through the State Department" while he was under-secretary of state for arms control.

Mr Monbiot, who took part in a debate at Hay on Saturday entitled "Defeat: Why They Lost Iraq", has been a fierce critic of the decision to launch the 2003 invasion.

He said he had formally notified police of his intention of performing a citizen's arrest.

Mr Monbiot said: "This is the one opportunity we have, because he is mingling with the public, which doesn't happen very often."

59 Occasional Reader  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:00:53am

re: #23 Ward Cleaver

My guess is that they were put up to this by CAIR.

Count on it. I really doubt that immigrants from the hellhole of Somalia, without prompting, would have thought that being asked to wear a uniform on the job (a job that pays relatively well and where nobody's shooting at you) would be a big deal.

60 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:01:09am
61 EC Marm  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:01:51am

re: #28 Ward Cleaver

OSHA, say hello to religious exceptions.

/more likely outcome


Could be an interesting contest. OSHA recently changed their logo. It now includes three islamic crescents.

62 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:02:19am
63 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:02:47am
64 opiemuyo  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:03:33am

I work for the TSA and we have a lady officer who converted to Islam when she got married, and she wears the head scarf. Seems to be no problem with her husband, she never filled a complaint.

65 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:03:37am

With $130.00 barrells of oil, we are financing this.

Thank you congress.

66 Golem Akbar  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:03:55am

re: #63 buzzsawmonkey

True, but arroz to the occasion.

You're such a loco pollo...

67 republic  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:03:59am

Off Topic,

I owe my life and my freedom to our brave military!

“Back from the front, Gen. David Petraeus called on Congress Thursday to begin considering a drawdown of U.S. troops after five years of war. Violence in Iraq has plunged to its lowest levels since 2004, and al-Qaida is a tattered shadow of its former self—key leaders dead, successors weak and recruiting down. ’My sense’ Petraeus said, ‘is I will be able to make a recommendation (in the autumn) for further reductions.’ This is no Saigon-style exit, but a coming victorious end of a long conflict. U.S. forces have pounded al-Qaida into irrelevance. Using highly disciplined Special Forces strikes, advanced intelligence and communications, and local allies in the right places, 155,000 U.S. troops have been crushing a vicious enemy motivated by no rational forces in a war with no precedent. They are winning against all odds, overcoming not just terrorists, but other obstacles such as a lumbering Pentagon bureaucracy and weak-kneed Western intelligentsia whose media toadies trump every military error and harp on every isolated bad deed. Now proven wrong, these same critics retaliate by ignoring what is a very big story. Worldwide terror attacks have fallen off 40% since 2001, according to a study by Canada’s Human Security Report Project, and support for al-Qaida in the Arab world has collapsed. The study found terror attacks had been over-counted because Iraq War atrocities distorted the figures. Security gains elsewhere included even sub-Saharan Africa, where the improvement was called ‘extraordinary.’ Just as the conflict in Iraq is coming to a close, two related terror wars—in Spain and Colombia—are also seeing signs of victory... From the deserts of Iraq to the villages of Spain to the jungles of Colombia, these victories against terrorist groups are all linked. They are the result of using proven tactics, holding together resolutely, cooperating with other nations to share and deliver intelligence, and forming united fronts. When this happens, terrorists cannot flourish. Recent successes show that these wars are winnable.” —Investor’s Business Daily

68 Pyrocles  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:04:06am

I hope he tries it, and Bolton breaks his nose in the process!

Isn't Monbiot the "father" of all Moonbats?!

re: #58 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

69 Shug  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:04:13am

I smell set up.

This is the same as the non-flying imams. They intentionally cause a scene.

These women intentionally wear unsafe clothing to cause this conflict.

I dub them the non-frying somalis

70 Shug  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:04:55am

Been gone for a week

what is the "!" thing for

71 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:05:03am

re: #61 EC Marm

That is unreal.

72 firebreather  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:05:12am

Muslims are freaking pathetic.

If these Somali women violated Islamic dress codes in Somalia, they would be gang-raped by tribal elders under the terms of Sha'ria law or perhaps even stoned to death.

But here in America, violating our dress code, they'll probably get millions after filing a wrongful termination lawsuit against their employer.

And liberals & Muslims alike will cheer.

73 laZardo  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:05:14am

re: #63 buzzsawmonkey

Unfortunately, I got taco pout of this thread. Been up since 7 AM and the lack of sleep is causing my eyelids to collapse, fajita's sake. G'night!

74 rabidsquirrel  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:05:19am

re: #54 Sharmuta

In Minnesota- to retain welfare- you have to seek employment.

Ahh - it does get expensive to support multiple wives. Of course, they could just use the George Costanza method, and apply at "Vandelay Industries".

75 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:05:36am
76 republic  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:05:44am

re: #58 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

John Bolton to be target of citizen's arrest at Hay Festival

John Bolton would put that pencil necked geek on the ground in a nanosecond.

Heh.

77 debutaunt  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:05:51am

re: #70 Shug

Been gone for a week

what is the "!" thing for

It replaced the Report thingy.

78 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:06:01am

Enough about CAIR. I am in love again!
[Link: www.vetsforfreedom.org...]

79 FreakyBoy  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:06:08am

Making everyone comply to the same uniform dress code is not discrimination.

Discrimination is allowing only Somali women to wear whatever they want and demand all others must wear a uniform.

80 NYexpat  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:06:16am

Mission foods would have a case if the clothing were specified at the time of hire. my guess is that it wasn't, otherwise these women would not have been suspended, they would have been fired the first day. after that, if they can demonstrate a reasonable need for the uniform, such as worker safety, then the women are still out. Religious garb is not that well protected under constitutional law.

81 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:06:47am

re: #69 Shug

No doubt.

This is purely deliberate.

Put it in court, get the ACLU to go to their defense, have the taxpayers fund the ACLU, ....

82 Sharmuta  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:06:48am

re: #74 rabidsquirrel

We can thank Republican welfare reform- no one gets a life long free ride anymore.

83 Spiny Norman  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:06:59am

re: #58 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

John Bolton to be target of citizen's arrest at Hay Festival

With any luck, the Barking Moonbat himself will be charged with creating a distubance. I'd love it if he were slapped with an ASBO.

Heh.

84 Golem Akbar  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:07:25am

re: #73 laZardo

Unfortunately, I got taco pout of this thread. Been up since 7 AM and the lack of sleep is causing my eyelids to collapse, fajita's sake. G'night!


Sure, that's easy for you to say, but I'm still trying to figure out how to guacamole.

85 babes  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:07:56am

Loose clothing caught in machinery.... not to mention the germs and viruses that their clothing might be carrying.

86 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:07:59am
87 Spiny Norman  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:07:59am

*disturbance*

Yes, more coffee please!

88 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:08:15am

re: #86 savage_nation

She is very pretty.

I saw her first!

89 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:08:19am

Ya know, with all these problems surrounding attire & special privileges sought by these followers of Mohammad, if I were HR, I'd be hiring from some other cult.

90 laZardo  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:08:38am

re: #84 Golem Akbar

Just keep chili and you'll be fine. (: Night!

91 firebreather  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:08:47am

The ACLU, which will sue an employee for wearing a crucifix, will of course represent these Somali women pro bono... the ACLU will do anything & everything it can to harm and undermine America.

92 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:09:00am
93 opnion  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:09:48am

It becomes impossible not to conclude that tha majority of Muslim immigrants are not here to be Americans. They want to be IN America, but to change it. They are demanding that we submit to their customs and preferences, even if it causes disruption and / or violates our laws. They use their religion like a club to beat us into acceptance.

94 Ward Cleaver  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:09:52am

re: #59 Occasional Reader

Count on it. I really doubt that immigrants from the hellhole of Somalia, without prompting, would have thought that being asked to wear a uniform on the job (a job that pays relatively well and where nobody's shooting at you) would be a big deal.

I really don't think those Somalis give a flip, and would just as soon assimilate.

95 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:09:53am

re: #92 savage_nation

damn!

But all kidding aside, she is an example of what is best about this Great Country.
[Link: www.vetsforfreedom.org...]

96 NYexpat  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:10:14am

re: #47 Occasional Reader

The real problem comes in the southwest, where we can wind up having cities named Francisco, Jose, Louis, Juan, Barbara, but what would you do with LA?

97 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:10:44am
98 firebreather  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:10:53am

re: #93 opnion

It becomes impossible not to conclude that tha majority of Muslim immigrants are not here to be Americans. They want to be IN America, but to change it. They are demanding that we submit to their customs and preferences, even if it causes disruption and / or violates our laws. They use their religion like a club to beat us into acceptance.


"And they're winning...!" --Michael Moore

99 clydejumper  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:11:10am

Oh please! Company policy is company policy. If you can't abide by it seeing it is for your own safety then work someplace else. What about people who find their loose clothing and their religion offensive. Why do we have to appease coddle every minority.

100 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:11:30am

re: #70 Shug

Been gone for a week

what is the "!" thing for

Go ahead, click it.

101 tfc3rid  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:11:46am

re: #93 opnion

And in a lot of locations, their tactics have already worked....

102 Sharmuta  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:12:09am

re: #94 Ward Cleaver

I really don't think those Somalis give a flip, and would just as soon assimilate.

The women, yes.

103 Ward Cleaver  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:12:29am

re: #96 NYexpat

The real problem comes in the southwest, where we can wind up having cities named Francisco, Jose, Louis, Juan, Barbara, but what would you do with LA?

Rename it "City of The Martyrs".

104 coquimbojoe  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:12:34am

re: #70 Shug

Reporting a naughty comment.

105 firebreather  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:13:06am

Fear not, from officialdom.

They will all bow down, scrape & grovel before their Muslim overlords.

So it was 1,300 years ago. So it is today.

106 Golem Akbar  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:13:11am

re: #103 Ward Cleaver

Rename it "City of The Martyrs".


Try driving the freeways, sometime. That name is actually pretty accurate.

107 Ward Cleaver  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:13:42am

re: #91 firebreather

The ACLU, which will sue an employee for wearing a crucifix, will of course represent these Somali women pro bono... the ACLU will do anything & everything it can to harm and undermine America.

Since the ACLU was founded by commies, yes.

108 wolfie  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:14:15am

re: #96 NYexpat

The real problem comes in the southwest, where we can wind up having cities named Francisco, Jose, Louis, Juan, Barbara, but what would you do with LA?

LA could just be Los.
Corpus Christi can just be Corpus.
But Santa Fe is another story.

109 Sharmuta  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:14:27am

re: #105 firebreather

No- Target didn't grovel. And if this is indeed an OSHA issue- they will lose.

110 Ward Cleaver  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:15:11am

re: #19 debutaunt

The great melting pot meltdown of America.

Fixed.

111 FrogMarch  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:15:46am

Legs!?

Off with their legs! The holy and precious Islamic male cannot control himself.

112 bosforus  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:16:18am

Insubordination by any other name is still insubordination.

113 Dave the.....  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:16:37am
So I guess Hooters is completely out of the question.

I think every one of us thought of that when we read this story. But the comparison is valid. Why apply somewhere where the dress code doesn't match your lifestyle?

114 Shug  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:16:39am

re: #19 debutaunt

The great melting pot of America.

Chamber pot

115 Iron Fist  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:16:40am

I'll bet the NOI Virtue Police in Miami would have a problem with the women wearing pants. Too intimidating for the NOI girly-men to handle.

116 Macker  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:16:40am

re: #5 jcm

Sir you wife was modest right up until her loose clothing got caught in a machine. It will be awhile before we extricate all of her remains.
/

Ah! But you see, they would then attribute the woman's death to the Will of Allah Stan.

117 CommonCents  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:16:50am

re: #40 opnion

Ok, do they get to wear bags on the company softball team? Damn, Fatimas burqua made her muff that grounder

Nice job, working in 'muff' on the modesty thread. Very sly.

re:#79 FreakyBoy

Discrimination is allowing only Somali women to wear whatever they want and demand all others must wear a uniform.

I believe it's time for a counter-suit. Any lawyers in the house?

118 pat  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:17:05am

Do these Somalis annonce they are going to be nothing but trouble at the job interviews or do they just sort of spring it on the firms after a week or so?

119 firebreather  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:17:09am

re: #109 Sharmuta

No- Target didn't grovel. And if this is indeed an OSHA issue- they will lose.


If Muslims invoke the threat of violence (which they invariably do, because the tactic is so spectacularly successful), they will win.

120 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:17:10am

I am a Dentist ( no jokes please or I KILLLLL YOU) and I have had 2 Muslim young ladies work for me. They wore head covering but scrubs and there were no problems.

121 opnion  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:18:16am

re: #109 Sharmuta

No- Target didn't grovel. And if this is indeed an OSHA issue- they will lose.

I think that you are correct. Niether OSHA nor the company Workers Compensation Carrier is going to care too much about Muslim sensibilities. There are real liablity & saftey concerns.
If the court ruled for these women, it would open a pandoras box.
Why not come to work in a bath robe
The Somalis loose,

122 Ward Cleaver  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:18:25am

re: #120 Nevergiveup

I am a Dentist ( no jokes please or I KILLLLL YOU) and I have had 2 Muslim young ladies work for me. They wore head covering but scrubs and there were no problems.

Did they work on male patients?

123 Sharmuta  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:18:48am

re: #119 firebreather

If this was europe- I might agree with you. They challenged Target and lost. If they really want to take on OSHA- they can be my guest.

124 bosforus  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:18:52am

If you can't do the job, don't take the job.

125 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:19:22am

re: #61 EC Marm

Could be an interesting contest. OSHA recently changed their logo. It now includes three islamic crescents.

Not even a hat tip?

126 Ward Cleaver  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:19:27am

re: #121 opnion

I think that you are correct. Niether OSHA nor the company Workers Compensation Carrier is going to care too much about Muslim sensibilities. There are real liablity & saftey concerns.
If the court ruled for these women, it would open a pandoras box.
Why not come to work in a bath robe
The Somalis loose,

A bath robe? Hugh Hefner could get hired on there.

127 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:19:34am

re: #122 Ward Cleaver

Did they work on male patients?

Yes no problem and their female relatives are also my patients.

128 opnion  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:19:52am

re: #117 CommonCents

I believe it's time for a counter-suit. Any lawyers in the house?


Hmmm, ya caught it.

129 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:19:58am

Does anyone think this is just a misunderstanding of culture?

130 Sharmuta  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:20:01am

re: #124 bosforus

If you can't do the job, don't take the job.

That's what happened at Target. Guess what- the muslims backed down.

131 Sharmuta  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:20:21am

re: #129 formercorpsman

Does anyone think this is just a misunderstanding of culture?

I do- they misunderstand ours.

132 Spiny Norman  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:20:32am

re: #118 pat

Do these Somalis annonce they are going to be nothing but trouble at the job interviews or do they just sort of spring it on the firms after a week or so?

CAIR probably told them to keep quiet for a bit... until they had their lawsuit ready.

133 Ward Cleaver  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:20:33am

re: #127 Nevergiveup

Yes no problem and their female relatives are also my patients.

That's good to hear.

134 Honorary Yooper  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:20:44am

re: #129 formercorpsman

Does anyone think this is just a misunderstanding of culture?

Yes, they [the Somalis] misunderstand American culture.

135 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:20:57am

re: #129 formercorpsman

Does anyone think this is just a misunderstanding of culture?

Ar least once a day there is a post I would like to respond to but am afraid I might get the stick!

136 Sharmuta  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:21:31am

re: #134 Honorary Yooper

GMTA, my friend!

137 winston06  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:21:37am

Why a terrorist organization like CAIR is permitted to BE in the US, in the firtst place?

Dismantle CAIR, jail its leaders and deport their members to Saudi Arabia.

138 bosforus  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:21:40am

re: #129 formercorpsman

Does anyone think this is just a misunderstanding of culture?

Yes, these Muslims obviously don't understand the culture they're living in.

139 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:21:47am

re: #133 Ward Cleaver

That's good to hear.

Oh and I am Jewish to boot.

140 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:22:22am

"Muslim women: Dress code violates faith"

So let me get this straight - "Faith" is only "violated" when the force is flowing from the bottom up (i.e. when Muslims are complaining)? And any other time - say, when women are being abused - then dress codes have "nothing to do with Islam". Got it. Just so I'm cleared on the double-standard.

141 wolfie  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:23:08am

re: #130 Sharmuta

That's what happened at Target. Guess what- the muslims backed down.

Resistance works.
Appeasement doesn't. It makes it worse.

142 firebreather  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:23:15am

re: #129 formercorpsman

Does anyone think this is just a misunderstanding of culture?


Yeah, Westerners are once again being culturally ignorant, backward, insensitive, racist, Islamophobic, closed-minded, xenophobic, sexist, et al ad nauseum.

Just ask any sociology professor.

143 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:23:35am
144 looking closely  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:24:21am

Since when are employers NOT allowed to mandate dress codes for their employees?

You can't just show at McDonald's (or any other workplace) dressed however the heck you please.

There are multiple legitimate reasons why employers might want employees in uniforms, including: safety, identification (different sorts of employees in different clothes), image/"branding", etc.

If you don't like the dress code, go find a different job.

Don't take the job, work at it, then "suddenly" decide that the dress code is unacceptable!

145 hjalmar80  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:24:43am

Sounds like Mission and its parent company don't plan on backing down. If they let go of these workers and get hit with a lawsuit as a consequence, then I'll be eating lots of mexican in the future.

146 CommonCents  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:24:54am

re: #128 opnion

Is it possible for some unrelated party (me) to counter-sue CAIR on behalf of Gruma Corp? Or, couldn't the ACLU file a grievance against CAIR because they violated the civil rights of the owner of Gruma Corp forcing their religion upon him/her?

147 wolfie  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:24:55am

re: #140 Pawn of the Oppressor

That's what is so great about Islam! It can be a religion, a race, or a culture. Whatever works in the particular case!

148 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:24:59am

re: #113 Dave the.....

I think every one of us thought of that when we read this story. But the comparison is valid. Why apply somewhere where the dress code doesn't match your lifestyle?

I suspect for safety reasons (previously overlooked) the company changed its dress policy only recently.

"Should these employees choose to adhere to the current Mission Foods uniform policy, they may return to their positions with the company,..."

But, that has no bearing. The company has a right to institute new policy to protect its current and future employees from accidents and itself from potential lawsuits borne of such accidents.

149 opnion  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:25:03am

you would think that the dress policy was explained during the interview process.
Even if people were wearing saffron robes in the plant when the ladies were hired the company could introduce a new dress code.
It just could not be disriminatory. as a matter of fact the company has a duty to have such a dress code.

150 Sharmuta  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:25:06am

re: #121 opnion

There are real liablity & saftey concerns.

Indeed- let them take it to court- they will lose because no one is above the law.

/Unless they're bill clinton.

151 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:26:07am

re: #131 Sharmuta

Sharmuta, my reasoning for the post, is for folks who think somehow that this might be a misunderstanding of the job requirements.

Obviously, my question is tongue in cheek for 99% of the people here.

There is no way possible, this is anything less than an orchestration.

Pretty much every country realizes, if they confront us militarily, there is no hope.

911's expressed intent was to hurt us financially.

This type of bleed is meant for the same thing.

As someone who employs people, I have the luxury of paying all of the overhead expenses that come with it.

It is an encroachment of different means.

Yes, I know you, and most others are already aware of this.

152 Sharmuta  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:27:55am
“For these women, wearing tight-fitting pants is like being naked,”

I just have to say- it's actually the next best thing to being naked.

153 opnion  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:28:04am

re: #141 wolfie

Resistance works.
Appeasement doesn't. It makes it worse.


The lesson of history. Charles Martell, El Cid & Richard the lion Heart are actually respected in Islamic historical circles. Not loved, but respected.

154 EC Marm  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:28:56am

re: #125 MandyManners

Not even a hat tip?


It's right there at the bottom with link to your initial observation:

Hat tip: Mandy Manners
155 bosforus  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:29:15am

re: #149 opnion

you would think that the dress policy was explained during the interview process.
Even if people were wearing saffron robes in the plant when the ladies were hired the company could introduce a new dress code.
It just could not be disriminatory. as a matter of fact the company has a duty to have such a dress code.

When I apply for a job I ask about working on Sundays, because I don't. You would think with such a mind-numbingly long list of do's and don't's (two apostrophes?) in the Muslim world that they would think to ask about those things.

156 wolfie  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:29:29am

re: #145 hjalmar80

The great pity is that Gruma will have to shell out money to fight this.
We need tort reform.
So much of the leftist agenda depends on the mere threat of lawsuits for its success. We need a loser-pays system for at least some civil suits.

157 CommonCents  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:29:56am

At least we know now who doesn't wear the pants in the family.

158 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:30:52am

re: #153 opnion

The lesson of history. Charles Martell, El Cid & Richard the lion Heart are actually respected in Islamic historical circles. Not loved, but respected.

So will President George Bush be respected.

159 looking closely  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:31:34am

re: #152 Sharmuta

I just have to say- it's actually the next best thing to being naked.

Well, there is *partially* naked.

(Safe for work. . .).

Seriously, if these women think non-loose clothing (and nobody is *really* talking about skin-tight clothing here) is like nudity, then let them find other jobs.

I'm waiting for the countersuit by nudists who claim that their employers forcing them to wear clothes at the workplace runs counter to their religious beliefs.

160 Sharmuta  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:31:39am

re: #151 formercorpsman

I understand- however... The joke is on these women and cair. There are plenty of people willing to take their jobs, and I think any smart businessperson would know that. I doubt the company is sweating over this.

When I look at this from the perspective of American law and economics- frankly- I have to chuckle.

161 CommonCents  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:32:04am

re: #158 Nevergiveup

So will President George Bush be respected.

Hell, if the Iraq thing works out as intended, he may actually be loved AND respected.

162 wolfie  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:32:05am

re: #158 Nevergiveup

So will President George Bush be respected.

And you can bet they laugh at Jimmy Carter behind his spineless back.

163 firebreather  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:33:06am

re: #153 opnion

The lesson of history. Charles Martell, El Cid & Richard the lion Heart are actually respected in Islamic historical circles. Not loved, but respected.


In contemporary times, I liked Menachem Begin. He took out Saddam's nuclear reactor over the howls of virtually everybody worldwide.

The Muslims hated Begin the Jew, but they sure as hell respected & even feared him.

Israel doesn't seem to produce Begins anymore, just appeasers, and as a result Israel is in a far more perilous state today.

164 CIA Reject  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:33:21am

re: #156 wolfie

Could we at least get some Islam-savvy attorneys to prepare a format for the "Mother of all Islamic Discovery Motions" and post it on the internet for quick access by people who find themselves in this position.

/Discovery's a b*tch!

165 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:33:28am

re: #159 looking closely

Well, there is *partially* naked.

(Safe for work. . .).

Seriously, if these women think non-loose clothing (and nobody is *really* talking about skin-tight clothing here) is like nudity, then let them find other jobs.

I'm waiting for the countersuit by nudists who claim that their employers forcing them to wear clothes at the workplace runs counter to their religious beliefs.

If you think that is safe for work, can I come work there? And the day one of my daughters brings that home, I will invite you all to the fire in my back yard. A very small fire to be sure but a fire non the less.

166 Sharmuta  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:33:43am

re: #159 looking closely

You told me you'd destroy that picture after you took it! ;)

167 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:33:49am

WOW! I'm astounded that we've got nearly 160 comments on this thread!
I mean, what does CAIR do best (other than starting and then settling lawsuits out of court)?
SEETHE!
Whatta they do best: SEETHE!

Not very good for a "fight song" or cheer, but still true!

168 opnion  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:33:51am

re: #155 bosforus

When I apply for a job I ask about working on Sundays, because I don't. You would think with such a mind-numbingly long list of do's and don't's (two apostrophes?) in the Muslim world that they would think to ask about those things.


Exactly, if their modesty was so important, you would think that the applicants would seek clarification before hire.
This looks like a set up, to establish a type of Islamic supremacy

169 jcm  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:34:32am

re: #159 looking closely

Well, there is *partially* naked. I'm waiting for the countersuit by nudists who claim that their employers forcing them to wear clothes at the workplace runs counter to their religious beliefs.

Still loose parts to get entangled in the machines.........

170 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:34:46am

re: #166 Sharmuta

You told me you'd destroy that picture after you took it! ;)

Are you doing anything Saturday night?

171 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:34:51am

re: #156 wolfie

You nailed it.

My only problem in all of this, is our court system has gone from being about justice, and the rule of law, to the arbiter of social discourse.

Too many ways, it has usurped the will of the people, and the legislative branch, let alone the employers who can have any charge brought against them, and this is money out of their pocket despite guilt or innocence.

This can kill us as a country.

172 hjalmar80  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:35:10am

re: #144 looking closely

Since when are employers NOT allowed to mandate dress codes for their employees?

If you don't like the dress code, go find a different job.

Don't take the job, work at it, then "suddenly" decide that the dress code is unacceptable!


You know the day is upon us when we will bear witness to a Hooters waitress, even an exotic dancer (doesn't belly-dancing originate from some Islamic cultures? Never understood the double standard with that one...) try to take her employer to court with a similar complaint.

The absurd scenario is so about to happen. Sadly it is so palpable, you can just feel it.

173 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:35:37am

re: #158 Nevergiveup

So will President George Bush be respected.

I strike up conversation when possible when I meet a Muslim man in social setting. They always refer to Bush as MR. BUSH! They have great respect for, and understand what he's doing.

174 yochanan  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:36:04am

OFF TOPIC

time for olmert to go
[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

175 EC Marm  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:36:30am

re: #156 wolfie

The great pity is that Gruma will have to shell out money to fight this.
We need tort reform.
So much of the leftist agenda depends on the mere threat of lawsuits for its success. We need a loser-pays system for at least some civil suits.


There is little the company can do except fight this is the court system. Can the company call OSHA and report themselves as allowing it's workers to wear unsafe clothing? Unlikely. More likely is that with widespread publicity more employers will question the advisability of hiring a group that could cause them conflict and potential financial burden. If CAIR was really concerned about these women, they would not be involved.

176 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:36:34am

re: #159 looking closely
WHOA! Can I get a job where you work?! LOL!

177 cookielady  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:36:53am

re: #120 Nevergiveup

Don't you mean 'I Driiiillll you!' ?

178 Shr_Nfr  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:36:53am

re: #63 buzzsawmonkey

very rice of you.

179 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:36:57am

As an aside, why is President Bush wearing an over coat at the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs if there is global warming?

180 firebreather  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:37:00am

Did LGF have a thread about the Muslim food preparation workers who routinely spread their own feces & urine on food in the UK?

If not, that deserves a thread.

But it was halal feces & urine, of course.

181 looking closely  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:37:04am

re: #165 Nevergiveup

If you think that is safe for work, can I come work there? And the day one of my daughters brings that home, I will invite you all to the fire in my back yard. A very small fire to be sure but a fire non the less.

"Safe for work" if you are a lifeguard by trade.

(Or simple "safe" in the sense that its not an image of a nekkid person, and could appear on TV or in a magazine ad).


re: #166 Sharmuta
You told me you'd destroy that picture after you took it! ;)


Well, I cropped out the identifying characteristics.
Nobody would have known it was you if you hadn't spilled the beans!

182 formercorpsman  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:37:10am

re: #160 Sharmuta

I hope your right.

For obvious reasons I can't discuss here, I could give you horror story after horror story.

As far as proximity is concerned. Not me, but other in the circle.

Lord I hope your right.

183 Sharmuta  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:38:07am

re: #168 opnion

And I think it will backfire, just like it did at Target.

For those of you who don't remeber, or don't know about the Somalis and Target- here's a refresher. (They backed down- btw.)

184 cookielady  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:38:27am

re: #129 formercorpsman

Does anyone think this is just a misunderstanding of culture?

Oh, yeah, it is. They misunderstand OUR culture.

Blend in or get out.

185 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:38:39am

re: #177 cookielady

Don't you mean 'I Driiiillll you!' ?

That hurt. Actually it's " I BILLLL YOU"!

186 Sharmuta  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:39:16am

re: #170 Nevergiveup

Are you doing anything Saturday night?

It'll cost you. I mean, I am a sharmuta.

187 cookielady  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:39:42am

re: #131 Sharmuta

I do- they misunderstand ours.

Oops, should have kept reading. I should have known Sharmuta would catch that right away!

188 wolfie  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:39:45am

re: #164 CIA Reject

Could we at least get some Islam-savvy attorneys to prepare a format for the "Mother of all Islamic Discovery Motions" and post it on the internet for quick access by people who find themselves in this position.

/Discovery's a b*tch!

Now there's an idea.......and a good one.

189 Alouette  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:39:53am

I once knew a Hasidic Jewish lady who worked on the line at Ford. She wore the same jumpsuit as all the other workers, a cloche headcovering, and kept a wraparound skirt in her locker to wear during break time.

190 pat  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:40:05am

Mission food products are readily available. Eat a taco for Mission.

191 cookielady  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:40:27am

re: #134 Honorary Yooper

Yes, they [the Somalis] misunderstand American culture.

Okay, so I'm pathetically behind. Pooh.

192 Sharmuta  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:40:29am

re: #181 looking closely

Nobody would have known it was you if you hadn't spilled the beans!

That's what YOU think! lol

193 Nevergiveup  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:40:29am

re: #186 Sharmuta

It'll cost you. I mean, I am a sharmuta.

I never leave home without it!

194 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:40:39am

re: #156 wolfie Nah, it's not that difficult to fight. Just answer the complaint with a "general denial" and counter-claim (that is, sue CAIR) and ask for depositions, and Examination before trial for the Women and especially for CAIR - they'll do what they've always done in the past - fold, like a house of cards. And in some cases pay damages, as well.
CAIR counts on intimidation, it really doesn't care about the law.

195 firebreather  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:40:51am

re: #179 Nevergiveup

As an aside, why is President Bush wearing an over coat at the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs if there is global warming?

The fact that it is unseasonably cold proves the existence of man-made global warming, just as record-setting high temps prove the existence of global warming. And if temps were dead-set average, that too proves the existence of man-made global warming.

Just ask Algore.

196 looking closely  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:41:21am

#160 Sharmuta

What happened to the Muslim cab drivers who wouldn't carry seeing eye dogs or passengers with alcohol?

Is someone going to tell these Somali women how effective CAIR's advocacy was for THEM?

Somehow I think not.

197 cookielady  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:41:32am

re: #138 bosforus

Yes, these Muslims obviously don't understand the culture they're living in.

I give up.

198 Golem Akbar  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:42:36am

re: #195 firebreather

The fact that it is unseasonably cold proves the existence of man-made global warming, just as record-setting high temps prove the existence of global warming. And if temps were dead-set average, that too proves the existence of man-made global warming.

Just ask Algore.

/Gobal warming is an established fact, just as sure as the sun rotates around the earth. To question it is heresy.

199 opnion  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:43:11am

re: #196 looking closely

#160 Sharmuta

What happened to the Muslim cab drivers who wouldn't carry seeing eye dogs or passengers with alcohol?

Is someone going to tell these Somali women how effective CAIR's advocacy was for THEM?

Somehow I think not.


They do what Musim men tell them. The alternative can be really unpleasant.

200 MandyManners  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:43:12am

re: #154 EC Marm

*smooch*

201 David Simon  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:43:12am

re: #197 cookielady

I give up.

lol. If it makes you feel any better, no one can add an exclamation point quite like you can.

202 wolfie  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:43:28am

re: #175 EC Marm

Good point.

203 CIA Reject  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:43:46am

re: #195 firebreather

The fact that it is unseasonably cold proves the existence of man-made global warming, just as record-setting high temps prove the existence of global warming. And if temps were dead-set average, that too proves the existence of man-made global warming....
.

My 'Circular Reasoning' meter just exploded...

204 Sharmuta  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:43:58am

re: #187 cookielady

Aww- you are sweet. Since you bring the cookies- here's some flowers for you.

205 hjalmar80  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:43:59am

re: #180 firebreather

Did LGF have a thread about the Muslim food preparation workers who routinely spread their own feces & urine on food in the UK?

If not, that deserves a thread.

But it was halal feces & urine, of course.


fecal jihad...going forward my falafels will be homemade

206 firebreather  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:45:15am

How about a Million Man Muslim Seethe-Fest?

They could all get together over a 3-day-weekend in, say, Dearborn or Berkeley, and whine & seethe & screech & roil with anger.

Rage Boy or Ibrahim Hooper could emcee the event.

207 DownRightMeanAmerican  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:45:51am

I don’t think these workers don’t have a legal leg to stand on.

It’s a food processing place, so a clean uniform would be required and loose clothing around machinery is asking to be killed or maimed, besides it being unsanitary.

208 firebreather  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:46:40am

re: #198 Golem Akbar

/Gobal warming is an established fact, just as sure as the sun rotates around the earth. To question it is heresy.


According to Algore, questioning man-made global warming is on a par with Holocaust denial.

209 Edward Halper  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:48:07am

This is another case of the Minnesota CAIR organization abusing ignorant and naive Somalis. It's clear that these women were wearing the uniforms and working at their jobs before CAIR pressured them. CAIR did something similar to the Somali taxi drivers at the Minneapolis airport. CAIR convinced them that they should not allow passengers carrying alcohol into their cabs. I appreciate the pressure that these men were under and the pressure that the women are now under from their religious leaders (who are now Arab). This is abuse, pure and simple. It should not be happening in America.

We need to do what we can to protect these women's civil rights--that is, to protect them from CAIR.

210 looking closely  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:48:52am

re: #199 opnion

They do what Musim men tell them. The alternative can be really unpleasant.


Considering that a likely outcome of this exercise is that the women in question will permanently lose their jobs, that puts an interesting spin on this. Is that the *actual* goal here?

(I sort of doubt it).

I think the most likely outcome is that these women will cave and go back to work.

211 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:49:01am

re: #146 CommonCents
"the ACLU file a grievance against CAIR" ROTFLMAO! Heh. Thanks for the chuckle!

212 wolfie  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:50:01am

re: #194 realwest

Nah, it's not that difficult to fight. Just answer the complaint with a "general denial" and counter-claim (that is, sue CAIR) and ask for depositions, and Examination before trial for the Women and especially for CAIR - they'll do what they've always done in the past - fold, like a house of cards. And in some cases pay damages, as well.
CAIR counts on intimidation, it really doesn't care about the law.

As a lawyer, you can see it's not difficult.
As a laywoman, all I $ee i$ "I gotta get a lawyer." !$!$!$!

213 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:50:52am
214 CommonCents  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:50:56am

re: #211 realwest

"the ACLU file a grievance against CAIR" ROTFLMAO! Heh. Thanks for the chuckle!

Just trying to keep it all in the family [of rejects].

215 redstateredneck  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:53:10am

re: #209 Edward Halper

I was reading somewhere about how Somali women didn't wear the traditional "arab" clothing in Somalia, but rather their own cultural Somali style of dress. Since coming to America, they have been encouraged to dress more like Muslims for unity with other Muslims.

216 alegrias  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:54:41am

I knew an Iranian exile who chopped coleslaw at Popeye's Chicken near Washington, DC and was grateful for the privilege of being in the USA. Her husband distributed newspapers for the Washington Times.

Before Carter empowered the mullahs and forced pro-Western Iranians to flee, this Iranian woman's husband had been a bomberpilot colonel who served in Vietnam with US forces, and in Mississippi airforce bases.

This poor lady at one point was trapped in iran 7 years without being able to leave to join her four children and husband in the US. Their children are now doctors, engineers & successful US citizens.

Carter you despicable president.

217 pat  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:54:46am

Here is a picture of Muslim women at work, in uniform

[Link: we.linkmuslims.com...]

Of course Islamic countries don't put up with this BS

218 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:57:28am

re: #212 wolfie Yeah, but most companies of any size these days have attornies on retainer (i.e., the lawyer gets paid $x even if they don't do anything) so they'll hand it off to their lawyers and keep on keeping on (it would only take a reasonalbly competent lawyer, using Nexus/Lexus and Google about 5 hours or so to figure out what the hell is going on and maybe two hours to review and answer the compaint and file the answer and counter claim.).

219 Sharmuta  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:57:42am

re: #209 Edward Halper

It wasn't just cair with the cab driver issue. It was the Minnesota chapter of the Muslim American Society that issued the fatwa.

220 realwest  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:59:35am

Well it's been grand as usual but I gotta go eat lunch and write a bunch of letters to my congresscritters over that UN Peacekeeper Thread Charles so kindly put up yesterday evening.
Hope you all have a GREAT DAY and that I get the chance to see you down the road.

221 cookielady  Wed, May 28, 2008 9:59:35am

re: #201 David Simon

lol. If it makes you feel any better, no one can add an exclamation point quite like you can.

Well, garsh... thanks. (!)

222 mean Gene  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:05:29am

re: #5 jcm

Sir you wife was modest right up until her loose clothing got caught in a machine. It will be awhile before we extricate all of her remains.
/

Yeah, there probably is a good reason.

223 Watookal  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:13:29am

Should one of them get hurt if their lose clothes get caught in the machinery, they will no doubt sue for millions. And get it!

224 CEQAttorney  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:17:39am

re: #18 Spiny Norman

Were they required to wear uniforms at the time they were hired?

If not, they might have a case. If they were, which is almost certainly likely, then STFU or GFTO.

Actually, it doesn't matter if they were required to wear the uniform before or not.

Here is an example. Suppose you had a small machine shop and everyone who worked there wore denim pants and a long sleeve shirt. You never instituted a dress code or uniform because there was no need.

Then, suppose you get a group of Muslim women who want to wear their traditional garb. Or worse, suppose some of the women at your shop convert and decide to wear traditional garb.

If you tell them that they cannot because of safety issues, do you think they tell you that they can because you never had a dress code or uniform policy? No, you can tell them they need to conform to safety norms. Now, you may not be able to completely require them to avoid all their religious garb, but you can put reasonable limitations because of safety issues.

225 TS  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:22:19am

"Definition of “immodest” in this case: you can see that they possess legs."

LOL!

And BS, wearing pants is not like being naked to a Muslim woman. IN her house she wears pants around her husband, children, brothers, MIL etc.....how many people walk around naked in front of their brothers and MIL's?

Besides no one said they had to wear tight pants, they just have to wear pants, pants that are not so wide that they look like a dress.

Why would they take the job if they knew the dress-code conflicted with their 'modesty'?

Furthermore, someone needs to tell these women that in America, a man will not rape and/or beat them for showing an ankle or wearing pants!

226 TallTexan  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:23:25am

re: #7 inkling

You say that like it's a bad thing.

They may need hair nets --

227 barry the baptist  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:24:01am

To quote Mr Burns of the Simpsons:

'YOU'RE FIRED!'

228 madisonsfriend  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:25:30am

I see muslim women wearing pants(and I am not including the ones who wear the hijab for "modesty" with skintight jeans and stilettos). I have seen Pakistani women wearing a pants that are tight at the calves and ankles -although they do wear a loose top. The skirts may be a cultural thing but not islamic.

229 EC Marm  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:37:49am

re: #223 Watookal

Should one of them get hurt if their lose clothes get caught in the machinery, they will no doubt sue for millions. And get it!


Yes, they would. Perhaps rightfully so. The employer is charged with ensuring worker safety. Reasonable workplace rules including clothing or uniforms, hair nets, safety regulations, etc. are the responsibility of the employer to enforce. If the employer shirks that responsibility and someone is injured or worse, the employer could lose his insurance coverages, face legal action, be at risk of extreme OSHA fines, or even the closing of the business. CAIR has an agenda to promote, one of islamic supremacism, and could care less about worker safety. The employer should stand up to CAIRs blatant indifference.

230 MikeyHunt  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:39:44am

ok ok I'm late to the party, but having recently been from Minnesota, with several relatives still there, I feel I must comment and help others understand the situation there.
Since the Somalis moved en masse to Minnesota - (mid -80's) they have been rude brutish thugs.
They are all, to a person, Wahabis.
They realized early on that they were surrounded by nice liberal white 'blue stater' prairie people that would acquiesce to any of their demands, out of neighborly niceness.
The crime rate began to rise (Somali gangs, thefts of property, violence against people that were not Somali). To 'buy them off' we soon had foot baths installed at the airport for these Somalis. (I sh*t you not!
( I forgot to mention that the main employment for Somalis in Minnesota is: cab driving. They now have a monopoly on cab driving , having forced all others out)
These 'footbaths 'were installed -to the exclusion of others, so they could be 'clean' while 'saying prayers'.
And these people don't even have running water in their homes back in their country.
Anyhow, the situation has descended into even more ridiculousesness, when the Somalis began deciding , just who would be riding in their cabs. No jews, no blind people with dogs , no one with alcohol on their breath, or possessing alcohol.
A friend of mine there, had to prove he was Catholic to the cab driver in order to get to the airport, because the cabbie thought he was Jewish. (he was Polish).
The Somalis have become aggressive in spreading their faith , by opening up an excessive amount of mosques in the area, and infiltrating the school system. (that's another ongoing news story).
But yet, with all of this , our nice liberal loons on the prairie, still haven't had enough of this bad behavior. What will it take to wake them up?
This should be proof to all, that liberalism is a type of sickness.
Maybe this New Brighton tortilla event, will wake a few more people up. Who knows.
The Somalis are proudly polygamous and yet the State of Minnesota looks the other way.
But if you, or your Mormon neighbor were to live that lifestyle, ... look out.
There should be no issue at the new Brighton tortilla factory, as many above have pointed out.
1) The took the job knowing the requirements
2) Safety issue with loose clothing
The Somalis in Minnesota have found a perfect place to force their twisted religious beliefs upon an unsuspecting liberal white area, and they are going to keep pushing and pushing until they are stopped , which may be never.
I hope not.

In the mean time , if you visit Minnesota, have a friend or business associate pick you up from the airport. Do not use the taxis at all.

You have been forewarned.

231 Petero  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:45:26am

Holy crap this is pure insanity. How come we have never heard of Orthodox Jews suing over similar stuff. I will tell you. Because they understand that there are other people in this world that dont live the way they do. And if they want a job where they dont wear pants they do not look for or accept positions for jobs that would require them to compromise their religious values (dress codes). Often they work for other orthodox Jews. Since there are far more Muslims in this world than Jews I would sure as hell hope they could find a Muslim employer that would not impose any conditions of employment that would compromise their values. And if they cant, they should be asking a different question. Why is it that the worlds most populous religion is unable to employ its own people, when those evil zionist Jews have managed all these years. End of story.

232 Edward Halper  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:52:52am

212, 218, etc. It really doesn't matter to CAIR whether they win. Their concern is not to change the law, but to get power over the Somalis. They want to convince the Somalis that they are victims of anti-Muslim discrimination and that they must rely to CAIR to defend their interests. This nonsense only has a chance of success because the Somalis are ignorant and insecure as new immigrants.

Incidentally, CAIR is using what I call the logic of terrorism: Some members of a group create a disturbance. Those who have really been victimized will defend themselves by seeking to ferret out the perpetrators from the group. This disrupts the entire group. The perpetrators convince their group that the defensive move is an aggression and that the group is the real victim. This creates support for future disturbances. If, on the other hand, there is no response to the initial disturbance, the victims have tacitly acknowledged their guilt and deserve more attacks.
--It's simple minded, but surprisingly effective. And CAIR can count on a few Americans to come forward and assure the Somalis that they are indeed victims of discrimination.

233 JeeWhiz  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:55:35am

Okay, CAIR really took a bite of the stupid apple this time.

Food manufacturing industry standards are strict when it comes to dress codes, for both hygeinic and safety reasons. (No one designed the hair net to be fashionable, eh.) It's governed on both a state AND a federal level.

I seriously doubt that 'religious freedom' is going to win over the idea of some woman potentially being sucked into a massive machine, being turned into little vaporized bits, while contaminating the whole shebang...Or the dirty sleeves of an employee rubbing over food on the assembly line.

234 MikeyHunt  Wed, May 28, 2008 10:55:56am

Oh, and I forgot to mention - The Somalis seem to have a hard time finding jobs , and get quite angry about it.
Wonder why?
Almost 80% of them are on Minnesota public assistance.
Largest minority group (in Minnesota) on welfare , both in numbers and percentage.

235 RickZ  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:21:50am

re: #183 Sharmuta

And I think it will backfire, just like it did at Target.

For those of you who don't remeber, or don't know about the Somalis and Target- here's a refresher. (They backed down- btw.)

Not being snippy here, but who is the 'they' that backed down? From what I read, Target backed down as they transferred the employees to other jobs rather than have them be pork-handling cashiers -- or firing them.

And as for this tortilla brou-ha-ha, I do believe Gruma has a better case than a retail chain as they are a food manufacturer, with many more rules from OSHA with which they would have to comply, not to mention the state and federal health laws.

Now here's a question for lawyers: If these women lose their jobs at Gruma because they claim their religious beliefs are violated by their employer's dress code, are they allowed to collect welfare/unemployment?

236 SpiritOf1683  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:23:18am

re: #1 Honorary Yooper

Wear the uniform or go back to Somalia.

Wear the uniform or go back to Somalia.

Fixed

237 Dustyvet  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:27:06am

re: #50 Hadith Harry

Not no, but f*** no!

238 Dustyvet  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:39:05am

UK: jihadist sold poisoned burgers from streetcorner stand

For those who don't speak the Queen's English, a "supergrass" is an informer. The Old Bailey is the renowned criminal court in London. "Bomb plot suspect sold poisoned burgers, says supergrass," from the Times Online, with thanks to Sr. Soph:

AN ISLAMIST terrorist sold poisoned burgers from a street-corner van and planned to contaminate beer at a football stadium, the Old Bailey was told yesterday. The alleged extremist, one of seven on trial for plotting to blow up British targets, was also said to have suggested poisoning takeaway food and sabotaging BT.

The claim was made by an American supergrass said to have links to al-Qaeda, testifying against his alleged former accomplices. He said another defendant attended a talk given by Abu Hamza al-Masri, the jailed cleric, where “video wills” made by the September 11 attackers were praised.

In his second day of evidence, Mohammed Babar described his first meetings in Pakistan with three of the men, accused of conspiring to cause an explosion in Britain.

He said his initial contact with Waheed Mahmood, 34, from Crawley, was via the internet. Babar’s e-mail address was pleasureofallah. yahoo.com.

Babar, the key prosecution witness, then met Mr Mahmood at the latter’s house in Pakistan, with other British men including Salahuddin Amin, 31, of Luton, and Anthony Garcia, 24, of Ilford, East London, who are also on trial.

Fired up for jihad (holy war), the men were said to be keen to fight in Afghanistan but were told by Mr Mahmood that this was not possible — the country was closed to foreigners.

Mr Mahmood, who worked for Transco National Grid, then allegedly gave examples of possible British targets to his accomplices. Some were intended to cause maximum financial damage by hitting utilities or telecommunication plants.

The court was told that other suggestions included taking a job as a beer-seller at a football stadium, smuggling in poison in a syringe. Babar said Mr Mahmood claimed that he had already sold toxic burgers from a mobile van.

Another plan was to distribute leaflets for a fictional take-away restaurant, then deliver poisoned food to houses.

[Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]

239 Dustyvet  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:48:35am

Poisoning the Infidels with Feces in UK and US


[Link: www.islam-watch.org...]

240 Dustyvet  Wed, May 28, 2008 11:50:55am

re: #239 Dustyvet


DALLAS MUSLIM MIXES FECES IN PASTRIES

The Dallas Daily News:

"A Dallas jury sentenced Behrouz Nahidmobarekeh to five years for sprinkling his own dried feces on pastries at the Fiesta Mart at Ross and Greenville avenues in East Dallas, the foreman of the jury told The Dallas Morning News that the jury had wanted to punish him especially severely because he "showed no remorse."

(Why will he be remorseful, he was following quranic instructions to kill infidels)

241 Dustyvet  Wed, May 28, 2008 12:06:04pm

Minnesota's Suicidal Slide to Dhimmitude


[Link: www.islam-watch.org...]

242 Catttt  Wed, May 28, 2008 12:12:46pm

re: #2 Occasional Reader

So I guess Hooters is completely out of the question.

That was my first thought too.

Bottom line - don't take the job if you can't wear the uniform.

CAIR is getting on America's nerves. IMHO. They are like small yapping doggies.

243 anotherindyfilmguy  Wed, May 28, 2008 12:17:55pm

Gosh... just gosh... sigh... sigh...

if they were so religiously "concerned" why were they out looking for work in the first place instead of staying home and raising future jihadis?

244 EC Marm  Wed, May 28, 2008 12:20:29pm

re: #235 RickZ

Now here's a question for lawyers: If these women lose their jobs at Gruma because they claim their religious beliefs are violated by their employer's dress code, are they allowed to collect welfare/unemployment?


Not a lawyer, but I was the owner of a manufacturing plant in Pennsylvania for many years. If I terminated an employee for "just cause" the terminated employee was unable to collect a dime in unemployment compensation. The employee could appeal the decision and a hearing would be held. I never lost a case.
In a case such as this, where an employee is refusing to follow a dress code that clearly has a worker safety issue attached, I would call it a slam dunk for the employer. Document, document, then terminate. CAIR can posture and pretend all they like, but they are not acting in the best interest of their fellow religionists.

245 RickZ  Wed, May 28, 2008 12:25:08pm

re: #244 EC Marm

Thanks. Yes, I can see unemployment denied for 'just cause'. Now to find out about welfare (since many of these Somalis are on welfare). It would seem to me that they shouldn't be able to get welfare, either, but welfare is a different type of government assistance, i.e., not earned.

246 mattm  Wed, May 28, 2008 1:40:28pm

Even at one of our local supermarket chains, the employees who work in the deli, seafood, pizza/sandwich area, etc, wear chef coats or some other specialized uniform that is a standard in the food service industry. This is just a supermarket. I imagine that the plant that makes the food would be even ore strict about food and employee safety.

Hopefully this will go the way of the plant not the Muslim employees. If you want to wear you traditional dress find a job that doesn't require working around food and the associated equipment.

247 Kirly  Wed, May 28, 2008 1:44:26pm

First, if wearing the uniform is a requirement of the job imposed on all who hold these jobs, then screw these eilitest bitches. FIRE 'EM!

Second, thanks for pointing out that the elitists are attempting to bully mission foods. message to mission foods - cave and i'll never purchase your stupid products again. don't believe me? after rosie O attacked tom selleck i said i'd NEVER shop at Kmart again. and I haven't. and i won't. EVER. i can do the same with your stupid mission foods products. they aren't that good anyway.

248 Spiny Norman  Wed, May 28, 2008 1:44:34pm

re: #231 Petero

Holy crap this is pure insanity. How come we have never heard of Orthodox Jews suing over similar stuff.

I've heard of problems arising (i.e. lawyers getting involved) when observant Jews (and an occasional Seventh-Day Adventist) being required to work on Saturday after accepting a job on the condition that they would not be asked to.

It's pretty rare, though.

249 DamnCat  Wed, May 28, 2008 1:45:25pm

If you don't like being told what to wear maybe you shouldn't be a Muslim.

250 petero  Wed, May 28, 2008 2:36:06pm

re: #248 Spiny Norman

I've heard of problems arising (i.e. lawyers getting involved) when observant Jews (and an occasional Seventh-Day Adventist) being required to work on Saturday after accepting a job on the condition that they would not be asked to.

It's pretty rare, though.

That is most certainly a different case. In such instances the employer is the one who was knew or was wilfully blind to the fact that the employee was at first instance not able to work on certain days. The employer could always have made working on saturday, or the potential for having to work on saturday a term of employment. I cant speak to US law but in Canada, if you change the terms of employment midstream, and the new terms are unacceptable to the employee, that is akin to termination withour cause and the employer would have to pay some form of severance pay if the employee refused the new terms.

251 Spiny Norman  Wed, May 28, 2008 3:24:58pm

re: #250 petero

Unfortunately, in most states, the law is not always clear on the matter, which is why it can end up in court. Especially when the terms of employment are not "in black-and-white", like a signed contract.

I could be wrong about this, and laws have changed, because I've been self-employed for several years now.

252 Perplexed  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:39:42pm

re: #80 NYexpat

Mission foods would have a case if the clothing were specified at the time of hire. my guess is that it wasn't, otherwise these women would not have been suspended, they would have been fired the first day. after that, if they can demonstrate a reasonable need for the uniform, such as worker safety, then the women are still out. Religious garb is not that well protected under constitutional law.

That depends on which of the many alphabet soup agencies infesting our fair land decided that loose clothing around whirling machines isn't a good idea. Might have been the health department griping about the workers failing numerous swab tests (bacteria) and finding that burqa babes wearing dirty over-garbs were the reason.

253 fsjonesy  Wed, May 28, 2008 5:53:07pm

Wearing loose fitting clothing around heavy machinery usually isn't a good idea. Burqas and giant automatic tortilla rollers probably wouldn't be a good combination.

254 DanVanSmak  Wed, May 28, 2008 6:43:03pm

I don't know...I'm guessing we would not want to see muslim women naked. I don't know how many people work in this plant during one shift, but seeing simultaneous outbreaks of the Medusa Effect is never fresh. Evidently there aren't any muslim cowards ERRRRR men working there. Maybe some uncovered meat would have done them some good. But then again, they must know something we infidels don't know. The burqua had to be invented for a reason. *out*

255 SuaSponte  Wed, May 28, 2008 8:26:22pm

If these Islamists think we should agree that they can wear their hoods and robes anyway and anywhere they want in our country, why don't they agree that we (including our women) can wear our clothing anyway and anywhere we want in their countries?

If their women want a picture of themselves in a hijab on their driver's license, shouldn't they agree to let our women (and theirs, too) drive cars in all of their countries?

Or, if they insist that their women be permitted to have their driver's license photo while wearing a hijab, why shouldn't we insist that they can only drive while accompanied by an adult male family member, who would be responsible for all acts while driving. This, in the same vein that no unaccompanied women may be seen alone in public in their countries?

256 FabioC.  Fri, May 30, 2008 2:03:05am

In Jakarta, Muslim supermarket cashiers wear the supermarket uniform (trousers and t-shirt) together with hijab and long sleeves - the observant ones, because there is not much of compulsion over there regarding hijab. And they handle alcohol with no problems.


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