In regard to Hildabeast, he is correct.

They just played a clip of this 'sermon' on the Chicago local 6 o'clock news. No favorable comments, either.

I didnt think this was his church anymore?

Just saw this on Fox.. very strange Obama's church seems to insist on derailing his run. Or perhaps they just can't help themselves.

Trinity can't be racist....they like Anti-White whites.

Sure gives God a bad name is all I can say.

Talk about a wanna be!
Someone should let the good Rev in on a secret: He will never be Black no matter how hard he tries.
How sad.

re: #4 Yankee Division Son

Just saw this on Fox.. very strange Obama's church seems to insist on derailing his run. Or perhaps they just can't help themselves.

They are what they are. This is their authentic self. This is what Obama supported for twenty years. It's interesting that the rest of us are shocked by it. Him? Not so much.

Haters, pathetic haters.

re: #3 A Kiwi Infidel

I didnt think this was his church anymore?

When Obama was asked that, he said Wright was no longer the Pastor ( I guess he does not understand what Pastor Emeritus means? ) and moved right on. You know kinda like I am eating my waffles-leave me alone?

So is this the new and improved Pastor at Obama's church? The one that's replaced Wright?

I see a pattern here and this seems to be what the people in that church want to hear. Sad :^(

Racism: being manufactured and inflamed at a Black church near you.

-this is disgusting. Really disgusting.

A tolerant loving priest!

*my ass*

It appears that he has preached there before. Wonder if barry was there?

i think he's an atypical white man.
most people aren't that stupid and desperate for attention.

How long before we see a clip of this being performed @ the church?

[Link: www.zippyvideos.com...]

This three minutes forty five seconds of hate just ain't gonna fit into no soundbyte.

re: #11 vapig

So is this the new and improved Pastor at Obama's church? The one that's replaced Wright?

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This isn't the replacement pastor ( HE is a nutcase just the same).

This is a local 'priest' that has been a community agitator in the city of Chicago for a long time. A thorn in the side of the church - he has made a name for himself by being outrageous. sort of like Jesse Jackson, but white and Catholic. A good friend of TUCC - but not it's pastor.

re: #15 nyc redneck

i think he's an atypical white man.
most people aren't that stupid and desperate for attention.

A conflicted metrosexual with an abundance of white guilt.

How about making Obama pay "reparashuns" for all the Africans his tribe captured and sold? Oh, i forgot, progressives are never to be hold accountable.

This a church or a political rally? A tax-exempt one?

What's not to believe? Pfleger knows what audience he's playing to, and he's giving them what they want. (Oh, you think a spiritual leader should give the flock what they need, not just what they want? Boy, are you a traditionalist!)

Good to hear it's being played on the MSM. Heard it on Hannity earlier and it's really vile stuff.

Did Cognito follow us to this thread? I'm curious what excuses he/she may have to explain away the Rev's sermon.

"Give up the benefits"
Yup, they are not even hiding that they want 100% taxation anymore.
If you give it all away to them freely, you may miss the "racist" designation.
Otherwise, as Barry's wife said, when they take power you will have to live with less.
Lots less.
Except peeps like Michele O, Pelosi, Jefferson et al. They will still get to keep theirs.
But they are doing it for our ow good, so we can be free of the guilt of being hard-working and successful on our own honest terms.

re: #18 mama winger

This isn't the replacement pastor ( HE is a nutcase just the same).

This is a local 'priest' that has been a community agitator in the city of Chicago for a long time. A thorn in the side of the church - he has made a name for himself by being outrageous. sort of like Jesse Jackson, but white and Catholic. A good friend of TUCC - but not it's pastor.

Why hasn't the Catholic Church tossed his lily white *** under the bus? In the Seattle Archdiocese we hear almost the same stuff, the last Archbishop, Hunthausen was known for chaining him self to the sub base gates out at Bangor.

I think if he opens his eyes he may see a whole different world...

give up the benefits. so, shouldn't ALL nations have to do this? At least every nation that partook in slavery. right?

Black White Liberation Theology ?

It's not his church anymore - he ditched it when it became a political liability. That tells you all you need to know about him.

This dude is waaaaay too self-loathing.

re: #18 mama winger

Thank you for the correction. I take back what I said about the congregation.

Sorry goobers, the people in my family who came to the US came from the Ukraine, Ireland, Germany, England and did so in the late 1800s. I owe you nothing whatsoever.

I’M WHITE! I’M ENTITLED! THERE’S A BLACK MAN STEALING MY SHOW. (SOBS!) SHE WASN’T THE ONLY ONE CRYING! THERE WAS A WHOLE LOTTA WHITE PEOPLE CRYING!

Oh, my. That's ridiculous. I'm no fan of Hillary, but to think that the woman sat there thinking "I'm WHITE!" and "A BLACK man is stealing my show!" is ludicrous. She was thinking "I'm HILLARY!" and "SOMEONE ELSE is stealing my show!" Honestly.

Really, though, I'm thoroughly disgusted that these idiots think I care what color my President is. I don't care what he/she looks like as long as he/she isn't a socialist leftist puppet for the George Soros' of the world.

re: #30 jcm

Why hasn't the Catholic Church tossed his lily white *** under the bus?

I'm not sure . I think there have been calls for that. Let me see if I can find out anything ......

re: #28 ploome hineni

but wait

look at the jiving 'minstrel show' vulgar performance, this white priest DOES to evoke the required response from his black audience

aren't these black congregants offended and humiliated that this priest behaves in this way, IN THEIR CHURCH?

Yeah, but Obama NEVER EVER NEVER saw any thing like that in the 20 years he attended?

But remember just because he been to Trinity for over 20 years cheering and applauding the anti-American, Anti-Israel and anti-white sermons doesn't mean he shares their views or politics.

/moonbat

re: #29 song_and_dance_man

For once I would like to hear the gospel preached from the chutch.

You will at mine, the ones teaching the gospel are growing. Those who are seeking, seek them out. Those who want to validate their leftist ideology go to "activist" churches.

Everyone is out of the closet....

The Hate Mongers, the Race Baiters, the Anti Semites, the Marxists, the Liberal Fascists, the Eco-Terrorists.

They are in the process of destroying this country, everything that it stood for, everything that generations have sacrificed to give them and the rest of us.

I am appalled that this has become so main stream. Time to take back the government.

I hope the Pope fires his ass....he is the self righteous kind that eventually be caught doing something very unseemly......

i only listened to 10 seconds of that stupid assh*le.
that's all you need to figure him out.
what an ugly angle he's working.
the audience must laugh at that fool, who of course, can't clap for sh*t.

Father Pfleger gives me phlegm.

I've been listening to this asshole Pfleger since the time I lived lived in Chicago in the earlt 80's. I'm Catholic, and this guy Pfleger is a fuckin' POS, and he always has been. He actually called for gun shop owners to killed.
His parish, St. Sabina, is in one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in the city, where gangs basically rule the street.
A few years ago when parents from other neighborhoods refused to allow their kids to go into his neighborhood for little league games because they were concerned about their kids' safety, the asshole said it was because the parents were racists. Pfleger can go fuck himself, the piece of shit.

Well, don’t hold me responsible (gesticulating) for what my ancestors did. But you have enjoyed the benefits of what your ancestors did and unless you are ready to give up the benefits (voice rising), throw away your 401 fund, throw away your trust fund, throw away all the money you put into the company you WALKED INTO BECAUSE YO’ DADDY AND YO’ GRANDDADDY AND YO’ GREATGRANDDADDY–(screaming at the top of his lungs)–UNLESS YOU’RE WILLING TO GIVE UP THE BENEFITS, THEN YOU MUST BE REPSONSIBLE FOR WHAT WAS DONE IN YOUR GENERATION ‘CUZ YOU ARE THE BENEFICIARY OF THIS INSURANCE POLICY!

Uh- my family came here well after slavery was abolished. I'm not giving up sh*t.

re: #45 EC Marm

Father Pfleger gives me phlegm.

That's spelled
Phlegm.... E.... G.... E.... R.....

The Obama still belongs to this "church" Why?

"I'm very unpolitical"

[deleted] POS [deleted]

This guy goes from saying "Yo Grandaddy" to "people say that was put AHN".

Talk about "put on".

And I recommend that this church loses it's tax-exempt status immediately. The IRS has revoked it for much less. This wasn't a sermon, it was a political rally.

/by the way, when's the last time YOUR preacher said "DAMN" from the pulpit?

WTF?

This guy is ethnically confused.

Liberation theology is simply Marxism with a God twist and a little extra hate thrown in for good measure.

If a priest spoke like this at the Catholic church which I attend, I would stand up and walk out....across the front of the church.

Thankfully I've never heard a priest say anything remotely close to this sort of thing at my church.

O/T, but sad news: Harvey Korman passed away from an aneurism. He was a really funny man.

Comrade Obama has some strange friends.

re: #30 jcm

It seems as if Plugger and the Cardinal have been at odds for a long time, and there have been several repeated calls for him to be defrocked. The Cardinal had disciplined him and called him on the carpet, but so far he is still a priest.

Purge, white guilty preacher man. purge it!
That isn't respectful worship of the Lord. That the most self-centered display of self-loathing and eternal white guilt I have seen.

Although I take particular delight in the fact that Andrew Sullivan has run from the evil Chistianists - into the arms of THIS.

What upsets more than this jerk is the reaction of the congregants. It is the same reaction we heard on all of The Rev Wright's tapes also. For Obama to say he did not know what was going on in his church is laughable. Why doesn't anybody call him on it?

re: #54 Bob in Breckenridge

O/T, but sad news: Harvey Korman passed away from an aneurism. He was a really funny man.

The funniest. We were talking a little bit on the last thread about the old Carol Burnett gang. What a hoot they all were. RIP, Harvey.

re: #38 gop_patriot

AMEN!

re: #8 mama winger

It's called "the rest of the nation is playing catch-up" on a candidate that has no prior experience or history. Being an orator, does not make one a leader. I fear we may live to see the difference. God help us!

In fact, if a priest put on a display like this at my church he'd probably get punched in the nose.

Is TUCC going to invite Obama's pet Jew to address their congregation?

I will not stand for this anti-Christian bigotry!
/

re: #47 Sharmuta

My family was in Europe and Russia being murdered when slavery was taking place.

The man has no dignity. Useful idiot? Yes, I think so.

Come ye white people and feel the guilt of your ancestors. We must re-live the torment everyday and cleanse ourselves of the righteous guilt.

re: #26 unrealizedviewpoint

Did Cognito follow us to this thread? I'm curious what excuses he/she may have to explain away the Rev's sermon.

Huh. Feel free to make it up as you go. Seems to satisfy you so far.

Or, if you're truly curious, feel free to look at what I've actually said on the subject before.

Up to you.

re: #56 mama winger

It seems as if Plugger and the Cardinal have been at odds for a long time, and there have been several repeated calls for him to be defrocked. The Cardinal had disciplined him and called him on the carpet, but so far he is still a priest.

IIRC correctly JPII chastised Seattle's Hunthausen. I lot of mainstream denominations suffer from a liberal activist invasion.

IMHO we are seeing the fruits of young people who for political reasons in the late 60's and 70's sought refuge from the draft in the ministry. Those who stayed are now in positions of leadership, and tolerate the likes of Phelgmer.

re: #28 ploome hineni

but wait

look at the jiving 'minstrel show' vulgar performance, this white priest DOES to evoke the required response from his black audience

aren't these black congregants offended and humiliated that this priest behaves in this way, IN THEIR CHURCH?

he's such a buffoon. a big slob white guy w/ ghetto talk.
anyone in the audience, w/ any awareness at all, is embarrassed at his histrionics.
it's sad in a way. he's just a mentally deficient spectacle

Wow, we never have anything like this at our church. It's a positive place where we worship G*d and discuss how to lead good lives helping others. What kind of church is this?

re: #37 Perplexed

Sorry goobers, the people in my family who came to the US came from the Ukraine, Ireland, Germany, England and did so in the late 1800s. I owe you nothing whatsoever.

No,No,No. You still enjoy the benefits of those that preceded your ancestors here. BLAAHHH.

The benefits argument will keep the racism issue alive in America to no end.

Those who reject it, work hard, earn their way, provide for their families even beyond their death are to ridiculed, thrown Oreo cookies at, and generally dismissed as Uncle Toms' and sellouts'.

re: #47 Sharmuta

Uh- my family came here well after slavery was abolished. I'm not giving up sh*t.

Several ancestors of mine were here before the Revolutionary War. Many either fought in the war or supplied munitions for the Patriots. Nobody in my entire family tree ever owned a slave, from what we can tell. Now, some of my husband's ancestors did own slaves, in Virginia, back in the 1700s. And we're still not giving up sh*t, we don't owe anyone a damned thing.

Speaking of pulpit crackpots, strange how Daddy J Wright had his 15 minutes of dissing the Obama and then disappeared.Could it have all been a setup to give the Obama a convenient excuse to break ties with Wright? Nah,imagination working OT.

re: #69 Cognito

Huh. Feel free to make it up as you go. Seems to satisfy you so far.

Or, if you're truly curious, feel free to look at what I've actually said on the subject before.

Up to you.

Your posts always follow the same predictable pattern. It's almost as if you just keep paragraphs saved in Word and then copy and paste, with minute adjustments to fit the current thread.

I find it un-endearing.

Is this guy REALLY still a Catholic priest? As in under the authority of the Vatican? I can believe he would claim to be, but is it true?
Maybe whizz this little performance art right over to Roma and ask them.

re: #69 Cognito

Huh. Feel free to make it up as you go. Seems to satisfy you so far.

Or, if you're truly curious, feel free to look at what I've actually said on the subject before.

Up to you.

I'm quite aware of your beliefs on this subject. They are quite reasonable.

I'm only joking, as I find your opinions with regard to the other subject today, and other days subjects too, as off-the-wall.

re: #70 jcm

IMHO we are seeing the fruits of young people who for political reasons in the late 60's and 70's sought refuge from the draft in the ministry. Those who stayed are now in positions of leadership, and tolerate the likes of Phelgmer.

bingo

re: #65 Killgore Trout

I will not stand for this anti-Christian bigotry!
/

Hey when someone says that all Priests are child molesters, that is bigotry. This individual Priest should and is being condemned. If he was in my area I'd know who to write a letter to get his ass kicked back to ladling soup at the homeless shelter for the next 30 years.

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re: #64 Alouette

no surprise...that moron is from a Reform(ist) congregation.

Wrath says: Reformism isn't Judaism.

re: #76 mama winger

Your posts always follow the same predictable pattern. It's almost as if you just keep paragraphs saved in Word and then copy and paste, with minute adjustments to fit the current thread.

I find it un-endearing.

Oh, yes. How strange of me to reply, when someone mentions my (totally imaginary) opinion.

The horror. The horror.

re: #74 gop_patriot

Several ancestors of mine were here before the Revolutionary War. Many either fought in the war or supplied munitions for the Patriots. Nobody in my entire family tree ever owned a slave, from what we can tell. Now, some of my husband's ancestors did own slaves, in Virginia, back in the 1700s. And we're still not giving up sh*t, we don't owe anyone a damned thing.

I've got two ancestors one from each side who were on Gen. Washington's staff in the revolutionary war.

I've got one ancestor whose home was on the underground railroad.

Previous to that my roots can be traced to the minister of the first Protestant Church in Kent England. One of the early focal points for the anti-slavery movement.

My ancestors where anti-slavery when it was considered treasonous.

re: #54 Bob in Breckenridge

Those of us that live in the real world shall miss him much. RIP Harvey, you sir will be missed un-like others that I refuse to mention in the same sentence here.

This "priest" is the vile, filthy viper who was with Jesse Jackson outside a Chicago firearms store, calling on the crowd gathered there, to "snuff out the owner of the firearms store".

I'd love to be able to meet with this kook.

Dear God: In order to raise the black man up - whitey must be torn down.
A-men.

/check.

Rev. Mike's church - St Sabine

copies of sermons can be found here - links are interesting too

re: #77 wanumba

Is this guy REALLY still a Catholic priest? As in under the authority of the Vatican? I can believe he would claim to be, but is it true?
Maybe whizz this little performance art right over to Roma and ask them.

I suppose it's possible. The Vatican realy doesn't maintain tigh message control. There's a cardinal in Poland (IIRC) who's a raving antisemite. The Vatican rep in Jerusalem is an ass too. There are all kinds of loose canons out there.

From that first minute or so, I thought he was recycling Louis F's old speech, White Folks, You Owe Us the Whole Damn Country.

Ah ain't no ways tarred. I come too fah.....

re: #86 republic

This "priest" is the vile, filthy viper who was with Jesse Jackson outside a Chicago firearms store, calling on the crowd gathered there, to "snuff out the owner of the firearms store".

Yes he was. Claimed he didn't know that 'snuffed out' was slang for killing people. Oh sure.

This guy infuriates me.
My Grandparents plowed their land with mules, until they got a tractor.
My Grandparents picked their own cotton and harvested their own wheat.

Am I supposed to hand my money to someone else?
My husband and I worked for everything we have.

This "priest" is a brown-nosed a$$-kisser.

re: #91 song_and_dance_man

The Great Harlot becomes more defined.

Exactly.

re: #93 mama winger

Yes he was. Claimed he didn't know that 'snuffed out' was slang for killing people. Oh sure.

He is a liar, and hopefully, he's headed for Hell.

I now repent.

re: #94 Carolyn

This guy infuriates me.
My Grandparents plowed their land with mules, until they got a tractor.
My Grandparents picked their own cotton and harvested their own wheat.

Am I supposed to hand my money to someone else?
My husband and I worked for everything we have.

This "priest" is a brown-nosed a$$-kisser.

exactly.

Thank you, Father Asshole. I was just making the point on the previous thread that it is chancy in the least to claim that religious faith makes for moral superiority and you have just made my case for me.

This disgusting piece of shit-of-the-cloth would force me to give up what little I have and live on the streets to materially compensate the alleged descendants of the alleged victims of my alleged ancestors.

Look, the padre already apologized for his deeply offensive language, so we should just let bygones be bygones.

Besides, Obama's folk all know the meaning of the word taqqiya.

re: #93 mama winger

Yes he was. Claimed he didn't know that 'snuffed out' was slang for killing people. Oh sure.

It's unreal, that I, a typical white person, if I stood on any corner with a bullhorn, and preached to a crowd that someone needed to be snuffed out, would be in jail and charged with inciting a riot or homicide, within minutes.

This "meddlesome priest" to use Henry II's phrase is well known in the RKBA community as an anti-2nd amendment agitator. He's called for firearms dealers in Illinois to be killed.

Doesn't surprise me that he is an associate of the Obamahdi.

re: #89 Killgore Trout

I suppose it's possible. The Vatican realy doesn't maintain tigh message control. There's a cardinal in Poland (IIRC) who's a raving antisemite. The Vatican rep in Jerusalem is an ass too. There are all kinds of loose canons out there.

If the Vatican's rep in Jerusalem was not an ass, he would be a Dead Vatican Rep. The Palestinians have a way of negotiating with the Vatican on that point.

re: #66 WrathofG-d

I'm sorry- although I'm not Russian.

re: #74 gop_patriot

I had an ancestor who became a prisoner of war in the French and Indian war- he was later sold into slavery. What should I give up?

And if that little dhimmi is their idea of a pet white boy, I am going to have me a good laugh at every Obama supporter I meet from now until this thing is resolved.

Pathetic.

(ding ding.)..Order up, one more Chicago BLT.**....make that toasted white(y), add extra cheese.
** black liberation theology

An amazingly hateful anti-Hillary, anti-white tirade at Barack Obama’s church in Chicago by Catholic priest Michael Pfleger.

Is he really speaking under the aegis of the Catholic church?

Mr. Pfleger is well versed in the art of agit-prop theater..."In other words, propaganda was supposed to act on the mind, while agitation acted on emotions, although both usually went together, thus giving rise to the cliché "propaganda and agitation". [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Phlegmer, I've got a couple verses for you.

I wonder if you've seen them before.

There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 3:28

Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.
Colossians 3:11

Phlegmer your words are anti ethical to the gospel, they are not God's words. In the spiritual realm there are two sources God and Satan.

Your words are not God's words.

"The teaching authorities of the Catholic Church, have for more than 20 years now, been attempting to stamp out these heretical liberation theologies, denouncing them as vehemently antithetical to the Catholic Christian faith, and have been strenuously combating this Marxist counterfeit Christianity on many fronts within the Church herself."
Obama, Black Liberation Theology, and Karl Marx

re: #106 Cognito

Is he really speaking under the aegis of the Catholic church?

he is the pastor of St Sabine's Catholic Church in Chicago. Read the links.

re: #54 Bob in Breckenridge

O/T, but sad news: Harvey Korman passed away from an aneurism. He was a really funny man.

He was hilarious. Frankly Starlett...

re: #101 Colonel Panik

This "meddlesome priest" to use Henry II's phrase is well known in the RKBA community as an anti-2nd amendment agitator. He's called for firearms dealers in Illinois to be killed.

Doesn't surprise me that he is an associate of the Obamahdi.

Illinois may be headed for serious trouble, with the anti-gun legislation they are proposing. There are probably 30 major firearms maufacturers in Illinois, who have all vowed to move out of state if this legislation passes.

Add, up to several million of Illinois best taxpayers to the list of people moving out of state, and that state would be in serious financial trouble, especially considering that the IL Democrats have bankrupt the state already.

re: #46 Bob in Breckenridge

Bob... why don't you tell us what you really think. :)

I am embarrasssed on behalf of my city.

But... hasn't anyone told this guy that HE IS WHITE?

I have never understood this ranting and raving about how horrible and racist white people are towards blacks, when the person doing the speaking is white too!

re: #49 vagabond trader

The Obama still belongs to this "church" Why?

Obama still "clings to his religion" no matter how deep of a hole it digs for him.

At UCC, the more things change, the more they remain the same.

I guess the priest will have to Come and Take It
Good luck "Mr. priest", you will need it.

I notice these unfortunate, suffering, displaced persons never demand the "Right of Return"

re: #103 Sharmuta

re: #74 gop_patriot

I had an ancestor who became a prisoner of war in the French and Indian war- he was later sold into slavery. What should I give up?

Give up?! You are entitled to stuff from me, by their reasoning, even though I don't have ancestor one that was French or Indian, or even fought in that war! But dammit, they were alive and in the country at the time... ;)

re: #114 Mo86

I am embarrasssed on behalf of my city.

But... hasn't anyone told this guy that HE IS WHITE?

I have never understood this ranting and raving about how horrible and racist white people are towards blacks, when the person doing the speaking is white too!

My extended family are staunch Democ_rats, mostlt Catholic, they vote Democ_rat no matter who is running.

They are the most racist, sexist, homophobic group of people I have ever been around in my life.

They will, in November, regardless of their extremem racism, vote for Obama.

It's unreal.

We're all being judged "not by the content of our character but color of our skin"!

Maybe this kook is a Clinton plant, made to draw more attention the the Satanic "United Church of Christ" in Chicago.

Rev. Michael Pfleger, pastor of St. Sabina’s Church, went way over the top this week. During a protest against Chuck’s Gun Shop, Father Pfleger twice threatened to “snuff out” the shop’s owner and threatened the same fate for legislators who oppose his ------------- on gun control.

“We’re gonna find you and snuff you out,” Fleger said about the gun shop owner, likening the man to a “rat.” He later repeated his threat to “snuff out” the owner.

“We’re gonna snuff out legislators who are voting [garbled] against our gun laws and we’re coming for you because we are not going to sit idly.”

With that kind of violent mindset and hateful rhetoric, it’s no surprise that Father Michael Pfleger is so close to Louis Farrakhan. Or that he’s used violent rhetoric when threatening critics of Obama.

So Father Pfleger is out with a warning: “Do not touch this man [Obama],” he says, “for if you do, you will answer to us all.”
Or that he’s tried to carry water for him. Father Michael Pfleger like Jeremiah Wright has a close relationship to Farrakhan and a close relationship to Obama. A closer one than he does to his own Cardinal Francis George who has questioned whether he should even be a priest and at one point reassigned him entirely.

A quick Google search yields thousands of results on this guy, he seems just as bad as Rev Wright, and his "blessing" replaced Wright's on Obama's site once Obama threw Wright under the bus.

re: #111 debutaunt

He could deliver a funny set-up with total aplomp like no other.

re: #91 song_and_dance_man

The Great Harlot becomes more defined.

Yep, "it" has already been outlined, what we're seeing now is just the filling in the of the details.

re: #28 ploome hineni

aren't these black congregants offended and humiliated that this priest behaves in this way, IN THEIR CHURCH?

Quite the contrary, they believe exactly what he is saying and rejoice at hearing it.

If black people work in companies today that were supposed beneficiaries of slavery years ago, do they have to give back their 401(k) too?

So blood libel is now part of our church?

This is just a communist political movement. Tax them.

Liberalism is all about self-hatred.

re: #77 wanumba

Is this guy REALLY still a Catholic priest? As in under the authority of the Vatican? I can believe he would claim to be, but is it true?
Maybe whizz this little performance art right over to Roma and ask them.

the church in chicago has been de-balled long ago you can blame it on the whole priest buggery of young boys.

not my religion but i am a chicagoan those lizards who are catholic should send protests to cardnal geoge.

RE #112 republic

Illinois may be headed for serious trouble, with the anti-gun legislation they are proposing. There are probably 30 major firearms maufacturers in Illinois, who have all vowed to move out of state if this legislation passes.

Add, up to several million of Illinois best taxpayers to the list of people moving out of state, and that state would be in serious financial trouble, especially considering that the IL Democrats have bankrupt the state already.

They would be welcome in Alabama. We have all types of incentives for new industries. Just tell them to check the web for information as to who to talk to.

Also the "Good Father" is just representing the typical bitter white person who falls back on guns and religion. Oh, excuse please, that would be me.

This is just another raving fruitcake who will be met at the Pearly Gates by Saint Peter and then in the words of that famous icon of American Speech, Desi Arnaz, he'll have "Some Splainin' To Do" I would love to hear how he "splains" this .

STOP NOW!
When it comes to Barrack you are not allowed to talk about
his wife
his pastor
his friends
his associates
his mother
his father
his grandmother
his religion
his liberalism
his ears
his name
his plan for "Change"
his flag pin
his education
his family's income
his economic strategy
his intentions for discussions with lunatic heads of state
his dealings with Rezko
his links to Farrakhan
his experience in management
his appeasement
his gaffes
or his campaign staff.

Please keep this list handy.

One of the problems of the Christian Church, Catholic and Protestant branches, is the lack of will to discipline. It's a function of the popular culture, being "tolerant" is the meme. Jesus was not tolerant. He was generous, patient and loving and FIRM and FORGIVING, but TOLERANT? No. It's impossible for God to be tolerant of evil, for that's what the world is demanding when it says, "tolerant."
The popular culture has twisted the concept of intolerance from something positive, as in "Intolerant of evil" to the surrender of "give up solid moral principles to curry short term favor."
So, when people in the church badly abuse their positions, they are given slaps on the wrist, or a talking to (which they pretend to absorb), because Christians have been taught it isn't NICE to be tough or be "judgmental" which has been corrupted to mean one can't make any common sense judgment calls on anything. "Meek" can be translated as debonnaire, which evokes a completely different and savvy temperament than a mousy, withdrawn "meek."
A debonnaire Christian would have hauled those guys out by the ears, tarred and feathered them with a boot in their asses, with a, "Don't come back unless you've reformed! And we'll be the judge of that, not YOU! And don't even PRETEND to think you're getting ANY responsibility EVER again. GRUNT for you!"
No "healing" no "dialogue" no wishy-washy.

re: #119 gop_patriot

Yeah! Where's my free stuff, damnit?!

I'm glad there are no radical preachers on the Republican side.

re: #111 debutaunt

He was hilarious. Frankly Starlett...

It is said that Mel Brooks was the only one who could control Harvey Korman. That says it all. He will be sorely missed.

re: #113 thewb

Bob... why don't you tell us what you really think. :)

Ok. And I hope his dog gets fleas.

re: #132 wanumba

You always bring the meat. Thanks!

Is this a joke? Is that really a catholic priest? I would think that his archbishop would purge this trash from his diocese. There isn't even a scrap of scripture in this tirade/sermon. What a pile of owl sh**.

Union Dead at Gettysburg.

These men gave their lives for their black brothers.

re: #134 justiceforall

I'm glad there are no radical preachers on the Republican side.

Is there a point here?

Does anyone know if this priest accepts all of the tenets of liberalism? What I am curious about is if he supports abortion, gay marriage, socialism, etc.

re: #30 jcm

Why hasn't the Catholic Church tossed his lily white *** under the bus? In the Seattle Archdiocese we hear almost the same stuff, the last Archbishop, Hunthausen was known for chaining him self to the sub base gates out at Bangor.

The Archdiocese tried to get rid of him, but was preoccupied by the sex scandal stuff. Cardinal George gave him another 6 years there. Most of the clergy really don't like Pfleger.

re: #131 DoubleU

Or the 6 months in the attic

re: #134 justiceforall

I'm glad there are no radical preachers on the Republican side.

None in McCain's church. Too bad Obama can't say the same. He's batting 1.000.

re: #141 Mormon Doc

Does anyone know if this priest accepts all of the tenets of liberalism? What I am curious about is if he supports abortion, gay marriage, socialism, etc.

I believe he does.

#122 republic

Maybe this kook is a Clinton plant, made to draw more attention the the Satanic "United Church of Christ" in Chicago.

Not according to this

Typical of Mr. Obama’s earmarks was a $100,000 grant for a youth center at a Catholic church run by the Rev. Michael Pfleger, a controversial priest who was one of the few South Side clergymen to back Mr. Obama against Mr. Rush.

He is just another one of the host of Obama's spirtual advisers on hate.

re: #138 daddycrack

Is this a joke? Is that really a catholic priest? I would think that his archbishop would purge this trash from his diocese. There isn't even a scrap of scripture in this tirade/sermon. What a pile of owl sh**.

He is a priest. Pfleger subscribes to Liberation Theology, which the Church has been trying to get rid of for over 20 years now. The Archdiocese wants to get rid of him. The problem is, they can't pull him from St. Sabina's for another 4 years or so due to the fact that pastors need to complete a 6 year term. Pfleger's been there for 20 years now. A standard term for a pastor is no more than 12 years (two 6 year terms). Pfleger just won't effing leave.

re: #129 yochanan

the church in chicago has been de-balled long ago you can blame it on the whole priest buggery of young boys.

not my religion but i am a chicagoan those lizards who are catholic should send protests to cardnal geoge.

I wish, but it's not my diocese, unfortunately. Were Pfleger in my diocese, he'd be removed from a parish by now, and put where he could do no harm to anyone.

re: #124 GeeWiz

He could deliver a funny set-up with total aplomp like no other.

OK, I finally made myself stop at the "They said you was hung!" "And they was right!" clip. Anything interesting happened.

re: #145 mama winger

That always surprises me when I hear that a Catholic priest does not follow the teachings of the church. For example, if I said I'm Mormon but I don't believe in the Book of Mormon, I drink alcohol and I don't obey the law of chastity. How Mormon would I be?

Do the Catholics excommunicate anymore?

re: #150 Mormon Doc

A person who likes the cloak of religion, but not it's tenets.

throw away your 401 fund, throw away your trust fund, throw away all the money you put into the company you walked into because yo' daddy and yo' granddaddy and yo' greatgranddaddy--[screaming at the top of his lungs]--unless you're willing to give up the benefits,

Mugabe evicted all the white farmers from Zimbabwe and gave the land away. How's that working out now?

re: #151 Mormon Doc

Do the Catholics excommunicate anymore?

Yes, but rarely.

I wonder how much the priest was paid?

Just today heard Obama praising the "new young pastor" at Trinity - the same one who thanked the racist hater priest for hating.

re: #151 Mormon Doc
Yes, but they have their own priorities....
Vatican will excommunicate female priests

Needy nerd tries to be a brother.

Embarrasses both races.

Obama's gaffe surrogates score more.

I don't know where the lying racist gets this stuff.

My ancestors had nothing to do with owning slaves or anything this hatemongering racist idiot is ranting about, including getting any special advantages anyone should have to repay the black members of that church for. They were all busy being persecuted themselves in Europe while anything he was claiming could have been happening.

That's true of an awful lot of white people the racist hatemonger rants about. Meanwhile, the TUC church crowd is just about having a collective orgasm enjoying seeing a white Catholic priest kissing up to them, trying to act like a black preacher, and feeding them the stuff they love to hear about their monopoly on victimhood at the hands of their evil white oppressors. None of their present problems could possibly have anything to do with anything under their own control, or that they have any responsibility to fix, of course.

Can Obama have been in that church for 20 years and never heard this stuff before?

.re: #147 Honorary Yooper

"Pfleger just won't effing leave"

What ever happened to excommunication?

Father Charles Coughlin, and Father Michael Pfleger

Two Priests cut from the same bolt of hate cloth 60 plus years apart. Michael Pfleger is a whiner, he's got a voice like fingernails on a blackboard.

So, how screwed are we?

Our #1 minority believes they are the master raza, and are actively seeking to divide our country.

Our #2 minority believes all whites owe them reparations for a deed done by a tiny percentage of some of our ancestors, while ignoring the guilt of their own ancestors in perpetrating the act.

Our #3 minority (vocally if not numerically) believes that allah should send us all to hell for dancing, dating and sun-tanning.

Let's hear it for multiculturalism!

re: #151 Mormon Doc

Do the Catholics excommunicate anymore?

Not strong enough... maybe an exorcism?

re: #151 Mormon Doc

Do the Catholics excommunicate anymore?

I was going to inquire if they still did exorcisms?

I honestly don't get it. How is he a Catholic priest. It's like words don't mean anything anymore.

If I said I had a horse and I brought out an animal that had feathers, walked on two legs, had a beak and weighed less than ten pounds people would say I was a liar. This man appears to be about as much of a Catholic priest as the "horse" in my example. I don't know how Catholics can stand it.

re: #159 Daisy

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"Pfleger just won't effing leave"

What ever happened to excommunication?

IIRC, that's reserved for the Pope, as is removing a priest from the priesthood, and the previous one was more into globetrotting than cleaning up the Church. I am very certain Benedict knows about this asshole and is waiting for the right moment to get rid of him. Ben is more interested in cleaning the Church, but works a lot behind the scenes.

re: #164 Mormon Doc

I honestly don't get it. How is he a Catholic priest. It's like words don't mean anything anymore.

If I said I had a horse and I brought out an animal that had feathers, walked on two legs, had a beak and weighed less than ten pounds people would say I was a liar. This man appears to be about as much of a Catholic priest as the "horse" in my example. I don't know how Catholics can stand it.

Most of us outside St. Sabina's really dislike the man. Pfleger has managed to grow some sort of deep roots there, and is a PITA to remove. Looking in from the outside (I'm in the Diocese of Joliet, Pfleger is in the Archdiocese of Chicago), it's hard to understand why he's gotten a pass for so long. I do know the sex scandal kept Cardinal George from dealing with it immediately.

OK, did anyone hear that idiot who introduced him...after the "sermon" was over, the idiot goes

"Let's thank God for the message!"

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re: #151 Mormon Doc

Do the Catholics excommunicate anymore?

re: #164 Mormon Doc

I honestly don't get it. How is he a Catholic priest. It's like words don't mean anything anymore.
snip
I don't know how Catholics can stand it.

It has been my experience that Priests can be removed/transferred by an extensive letter writing campaign from the local level. But if his congregation shares his beliefs, and the Parish is not being run into the ground, not much is going to happen.

Wow, the details from this are already on Pfleger's bio at Wikipedia.

re: #137 stevieray
Many thanks!

Ya'll know, the Church (any church) not busting these guys is really no different than what goes on in an office, a lot of managers just don't want to make the hard decision: FIRE him. Everybody wants to be likeable and be liked, so FIRING someone makes them the meanie.
Patton was right, 90% of staff can be worked with - move people around to better positions where they can shine, some need extra training, a few need just some guidance as they mature, but 10% are incorrigible and should be fired as soon as it's determined that they are one of those 10% types. To keep them on wrecks the cohesiveness and productivity and morale of the rest of the staff. Classic. The churches have the same problem, alas. The officers wanna be liked more than wanna keep to the discipline.

The movie Twelve O'Clock High is standard fair for management classes, addressing directly the failure of likeability in leadership. Under new management in the squadron, slackers were sent to the plane renamed, "THE LEPER COLONY" until they worked themselves out to the other planes. Warm and huggy mush was killing the crews, tough kept them alive.

I don't know if any of my ancestors were involved in slavery but let's say for the sake of argument they were. How far back do reparations go? There were quite a few Africans that were enslaved before the United States began practicing slavery. There were a number of Africans who enslaved other Africans. And there were Africans that enslaved Semitic tribes.

Taking this to its logical conclusion, Americans of European descent that were involved in slavery have to pay black Americans of African descent money for slavery who then have to pay each and Africans of African descent for slavery who then have to pay Jews for slavery for the work done in Egypt. Let's just cut out the middle man and just give the money to Adam Sandler and call it square.

This blog talks about what Pfleger said at a protest against a Chicago gun shop.

What a self-loathing prick. This isn't a church, it's a goddamned hate white America clubhouse!

Someone has an online petition to get Pfleger removed...if you're Catholic, you might wish to check this out.

my husband is not white, and he watched this video in silence. And I said "Aren't you glad you're not white? You don't have to give up your 401k!" - and he said "well, I'm actually feeling a little ashamed to be married to you right now" (tongue in cheek)

What total rubbish. disgusting.

Obama "deeply disappointed" in Father Michael Pfleger. UPDATE Pfleger apology.

Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) said in a statement he was "deeply disappointed" in Father Michael Pfleger, after the priest --in a scene caught on videotape-- mocked Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y) from the pulpit of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago--the home church of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. UPDATE Click below for Pfleger apology

“As I have traveled this country, I've been impressed not by what divides us, but by all that that unites us. That is why I am deeply disappointed in Father Pfleger's divisive, backward-looking rhetoric, which doesn't reflect the country I see or the desire of people across America to come together in common cause," Obama said in a statement.

Response of Rev. Michael L. Pfleger of statements made during a sermon on Sunday, May 25, 2008

"I regret the words I chose on Sunday. These words are inconsistent with Senator Obama's life and message, and I am deeply sorry if they offended Senator Clinton or anyone else who saw them."

/another on goes under the Obama bus

re: #172 Mormon Doc
Hmm. Maybe the question should be: "What price would you pay for you and everyone you love to be freed from slavery?"

So, if it was "the world" or "my right arm" or "an arm and a leg" or "a million dollars," or "everything I own," then how much have you saved because by the grace of God, you were born into a society that ended slavery over a century ago?

To be clear, I am saddened by this priest because in my view he damages the entire Catholic church and I think he could injure people. I remember when I was searching for my own spiritual path and the various times I attended Catholic mass. The priests were always genuine and sincere men of faith who spoke of God and submitted themselves to Him.

I can't imagine running into someone like this priest in hopes of finding spiritual guidance. Either I don't understand the role that of a priest with respect to preaching the Good News or Mr. Pfleger (and I used Mr. on purpose) doesn't understand it. People who turn to ecclesiastical leaders are often in a very vulnerable state. My guess is that these people don't find very much Good News when they turn to him.

re: #74 gop_patriot

My ancestors owned slaves. Then the Civil War came along; slaves freed, the family financially ruined. I think Karma was satisfied at that time.
(The plantation house is still standing---it's a B/B).

7 generations later I don't owe anyone jack sh*t.

How utterly despicable and disgusting. Once again, have to wonder -- Where's the IRS? Why are these hideously disgusting frauds (campaigining shamelessly for their "candidate") allowed to call themselves "religious"? Why? Where is the IRS?

I'm not sure what this POS thinks he is, but he's no Catholic Priest......in fact he sounds and looks like a Pervert.

"I regret the words I chose on Sunday. These words are inconsistent with Senator Obama's life and message, and I am deeply sorry if they offended Senator Clinton or anyone else who saw them." - Pfleger

This is one of the most disingenuous and self serving statements I have read in my entire life. What a low impression he has of Americans who saw his wretched bile spewed forth. To assume for even a single moment that this statement is more reflective of his beliefs than his "sermon" requires, to borrow a phrase, the willing suspension of disbelief.

Holy f*ck...what an embarrassment! This isn't religion, that's a cult that church...bunch of zombies. He could defecate on stage and they'd cheer!

One for each half of Barry

/disgusting

re: #91 song_and_dance_man

The Great Harlot becomes more defined.

Fuck you.

This is off topic but I just published my first non-fiction book Soul Survivor and I was wondering if anyone has done this because I have some questions. If so, please send me an email so that I can discuss it with you. Thanks.

re: #131 DoubleU

You forgot

his bowling
Jimmy Carter especially during "waffle time"
and anything that he has ever said in a debate.

re: #83 Cognito

Oh, yes. How strange of me to reply, when someone mentions my (totally imaginary) opinion.

The horror. The horror.

What the hell is wrong with you Cognito. Every time there is a thread you pop up and make it about YOU. Shut the hell up.

Since Obama is half white, does he have to give up half of his ill gained 401(k)?

Call the Pope! This is a priest who needs to be defrocked ASAP! And whatever the hell happened to pay to play when it comes to 'churches' like this and politics?

re: #200 song_and_dance_man

You had better be ready to back that up.

Sorry, babe, but I doubt I could get it up for you. You've been deleted before for shit like that, so now you make it slightly more polite. My message to you is the same, "Fuck You." In &#9797

re: #193 EC Marm

Wish you would explain your vulgar, personal response.
I can guess, but am not sure.

re: #183 Killian Bundy

Obama "deeply disappointed" in Father Michael Pfleger. UPDATE Pfleger apology.

/another on goes under the Obama bus

Is this for real? Another apology? About another crazy speech from TUCC?

Wow. They should just print whole reams of apologies with a fill-in-the-blanks. Sort of like those "While You Were Out" message pads.

While I was out campaigning my ___ pastor ____ spiritual mentor ____ somebody invited by my pastor offered some really _____ crazy ____ racist, ____ insane ____ remarks ____ sermon ____ rant. They do not reflect my ____ beliefs _____ thoughts ___ the reality of the American people.

I am ____ deeply offended _____ saddened _____ disrespected _____ and wonder if I knew my _____ pastor ____ spiritual mentor _____ self ____ shadow as well as I thought I did.

I ____ disagree _____ denounce ____ condemn ____ distance myself from whatever _______ said.

How's that?

I found this revolting in every respect:

First, this nation has spent trillions and fought wars to liberate the former slaves.

This nation kicked open freedom's door and made the slaves full citizens

This nation has transformed itself in every way to build a just and equal society. This same nation is taking a hard look at electing an African American president.

Who is this man to dare say one word against such a nation? If this is not a righteous nation, then what is? Cuba? Saudi Arabia? How about Sudan? By what sense of justice shall we punish people for having done the right thing? I hear this man's words and know that no amount of giving, voluntary or involuntary would ever satisfy what he thinks must be given.

For bonus questions:

Will former descendants of black slave owners be denied their share of the giant wealth transfer or do they get their "fair share?" How would we even figure out who the slave owners are?

My family did not arrive to this country until AFTER slavery, as Jews who actually helped the civil rights movement and took extraordinary measures to help our local African American community, how is it justice Father P when we were neither "beneficiaries" nor ever victimizers.

If Jesus taught people to love others, how is it love to demand all their possessions? While I can understand the poor asking for help and think people should be generous and give- I find it offensive in the extreme for this Bozo with a collar to insist on a justice that strips the donor of everything.

But one thing is clear, he does belong on the pulpit of this nice mainstream church.......

This Fr. probably thinks Christ returned in the collected writings of Karl Marx and Che Guevera, I am going to ask a Rabbi I know for his analysis of this very special vid.

A few years back I had to undergo an operation. There were some major risks in the procedure and the downside risks in the procedure would have a major negative impact on my life. As I sat in the OR awaiting my knockout drops, an African American pastor walked in and asked if I wanted a prayer. I told him, "Reverend, I am Jewish, but right now, I need all the help I can get." In America, we can always find a way to pray together.

re: #200 song_and_dance_man

About "the Great Harlot" becoming more defined.
Are you talking about spiritual whores in general, i.e. nominal Christians (& especially pastors) who sell diabolical snake oil using the trappings of the Faith?
Would your comment be as appropriate for Jeremiah Wright as for Pfleger?

re: #207 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Amen !

re: #208 wolfie

About "the Great Harlot" becoming more defined.
Are you talking about spiritual whores in general, i.e. nominal Christians (& especially pastors) who sell diabolical snake oil using the trappings of the Faith?

The "Great Whore" is code for the Catholic Church. Some fundies interrupt parts of the Bible as referring to Rome. I won't supply you with links but if you Google:
"Great Whore Catholic Church"
you'll get an idea. She has had the comment deleted in the past but still persists. Now changed it from 'Whore' to 'Harlot'. The message of hate toward 1.5 billion Catholics is still the same.

I'm the descendant of Italian peasants and Swedish tenant farmers who arrived in America decades after slavery was abolished...as well as Welsh miners and Creek Indians who had absolutely nothing to do with the "peculiar institution." I grew up lower-middle-class, and became the first (and only) person in my family to earn a college degree. To date, I haven't seen any of the 401ks or other inheritances of my Evil White Ancestors this prick insists must exist.

Pfleger, you disgrace the Church of Jesus and His Apostles even more than the pedophile priests ever did. They merely destroyed individuals in the name of religion -- you are trying to take down an entire nation and civilization with your ignorant and hateful spewings. You are nothing more than a cheap, vicious demagogue hiding behind the respectability of the Christian ministry, and deserve to be both scorned for your sick rantings, and laughed at for your patronizing shuck-n-jive caricaturizing of Black Evangelical homiletics.

Put more succinctly: F**k You, "Father"!

I was asked to donate to this idiots "children" the other day. I live in Chicago. I told the person that there was no possible way I would give any money to that person. Now, I hope the Catholic church takes a hard look at him.

How in this day and age can anyone speak about white entitlement? I mean, white kids have a tougher time getting into selective colleges. I have white daughters applying to schools-minorities don't have to have the same grades or standardized test scores as whites-they get a pass.

Obama and his wife were recipients of this largesse.

This "hate whitey" propaganda coming from the pulpit of this church I hope is not the standard for all black churches in America. It's disgusting.

I don't support Obama for a lot of reasons, none of them have to do with his skin color.

There is a word that starts with "w" that sounds like the "n-word" that i have heard come out of the mouths of some teens on the street. I am not sure if it is politically correct to use since it refers to a white person acting like what some would say is a typical un-white person. I have never ever used the term, but for some reason, this preacher made me remember that word. Thanks a Lot! I really despise BHO and his church for exacerbating racial fears and hatred. BHO is a divider, not a uniter.

re: #212 EC Marm

Okay. I thought that might be what it was.
Thanks a lot for explaining your reaction. :)

I'm a Catholic myself, BTW, and am familiar with that particular interpretation of the image in Revelation. Sigh.
I was thinking S&DM might have been speaking in general terms of spiritual prostitution. (I have asked.)

re: #158 krypto

I don't know where the lying racist gets this stuff.

My ancestors had nothing to do with owning slaves or anything this hatemongering racist idiot is ranting about, including getting any special advantages anyone should have to repay the black members of that church for. They were all busy being persecuted themselves in Europe while anything he was claiming could have been happening.

True. My ancestors were from Europe and had our asses kicked by the Soviets. I have been a newcomer to N. America, and am a little bit irritated about the insinuation that I am a part of the whitey problem.

Talking about racist.

re: #15 nyc redneck

i think he's an atypical white man.
most people aren't that stupid and desperate for attention.

I know for sure that he is an atypical priest, or at least should be! It was this kind of talk by many of the church leader after Vatican II that caused me to quit going to Mass. I cannot believe the hypocrisy dripping from his 'sermon'; I actually shut it down and did not bother to listen to the whole thing, it was disgusting to me.

Dollars to dough-nuts that this man just loves 'Liberation Theology'!

I do thank God that our last two Popes have been working to right these 'wrongs'. I pray that the work is successful.

SF
Bill

[Link: video.google.ca...]

Zubin Mehta Berlin and Israel Philharmonic Orchestras Beethoven

Oh, to stay with the theme of this thread.....my family did own slaves at one time in North Carolina, and Mississippi. After the War between the States, they didn't.

I learned in my history books that the war ended in 1865. I was born almost 100 years later, in the north.

How much do I owe, and who do I write the check out to? Is is tax deductible? After I write it, can we end all entitlement programs-forever. Can we have a flat tax? Can we end affirmative action? Can Jesse Jackson get a real job? Can we end all the hate bs and all the white guilt that the black establishment has used to enrich itself in America?

I am in. I will be fine in the end. Just end all the bull crap.

Ironically, when I lived in the suburbs-I was more tolerant. Now that I live in a city, I am not tolerant. The bums that panhandle from me every day on my walk home, virtually all black. The people that I cross the street to avoid-virtually all black. I am becoming less tolerant-and I don't like it. But if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it must be a duck.

At some point the failure of succeeding generations of blacks is not my fault. Not when they won't turn in the gang bangers that terrorize their streets. Not when they don't even show up for high school much less graduate. Not when they are grandparents when most people in America are having their first children. Not when they continually look to the government for a handout. That's not my problem.

Shelby Steele is correct. Thomas Sowell is correct. Bill Cosby is correct.
Barack Obama and the ones that think and act like him are incorrect. They will damage yet another generation.

re: #217 wolfie

I'm a Catholic myself, BTW, and am familiar with that particular interpretation of the image in Revelation. Sigh.

Double sigh, here. In answer to one of your previous questions, the symbol represents one of the planets in the solar system.
Might make it a little easier to figure out. And it's not Pluto. :~)

That entire congregation is awful, they cheer that crap and I bet not one person walked out or complained afterwards. And Mr. Change Obama sat in that house for twenty years and this is the change he accomplished among those folk, no thank you, we don't need that kind of leadership running this country.

Think of the logistics of trying to determine what percentage of your family owned slaves and what percentage didn't. Chances are if one side of the family owned slaves the other side of the family may not have. Whole thing is crazy and not thought out.

It is a disgrace that any Christian church allows - and even ENCOURAGES - this hateful speech from the pulpit.

The message of the Gospel is about forgiveness and redemption. It's about the love expressed for the human race - of all ethnic groups - through the amazing sacrifice made by Jesus on the cross.

Preaching divisiveness, vengeance and hate from the pulpit is not something I would want to have to explain to God. I don't envy these pastors when that time comes!

I pray that this church finds it's footing and returns to that message of love and peace.

You self-hating POS, Pfleger.
My ancestors came here in the early 1900's from Sweden and England, and worked their asses off to build a better life.

Pfuck you, Pfleger.

re: #220 song_and_dance_man

I'm still not sure I understand, but maybe it's better to leave it aside.

Greta has this as her topic tonight.

Trinity to me:
Fingers of God

Once the Star-sighting system has been completed, the missile deploys the multiple independent reentry vehicles as their individual targets come within range. The lateral area coverage of the targets remains classified. The warheads enter the atmosphere at hypersonic speeds, leaving bright trails of fire in their path, often referred to as "the fingers of God".[citation needed]

re: #59 Nevergiveup

What upsets more than this jerk is the reaction of the congregants. It is the same reaction we heard on all of The Rev Wright's tapes also. For Obama to say he did not know what was going on in his church is laughable. Why doesn't anybody call him on it?

That's what I find profoundly interesting. There are no jeers, shocked sounds of dismay, boos, nothing like that. The camera pans over the audience showing the congregation standing up cheering. How in the world can Obama and his wife say they never heard anything like this when the rest of the congregation seems completely happy to hear it?

re: #28 ploome hineni

No, because he is telling them what they want to hear. It makes them feel better to see white guilt out in the open. It makes them feel superior. He is a fool and a tool and a disgrace to his faith. However, people like him have no shame, just an agenda.

re: #233 song_and_dance_man
I dinged you up for that. Hopefully many will read that and realize what a frickin' nut case you are.

re: #94 Carolyn

actually a brown nosed, brown ass kisser

Wow, that guy is nucking futs.

I don't get the whole "Whore of Rome" thing. It looks like any other scripture quoting battle I've seen but the Big Lizard Upstairs has previously stated he doesn't care for it.

I'm confused. Does this sermon get filed under "HOPE" or "CHANGE"?

re: #240 Killgore Trout

I don't get the whole "Whore of Rome" thing.

If you read Revelations and really, really understand it, you'll see what it's all about. It's like the troof, man!
Actually, seriously, I've spoken with Priests and Ministers of other religions and they all shake their heads when questioned about Revelations. Some people, who I can not take seriously, take it very literally.

In this 2004 article - about 10 paragraphs up from the bottom - Obama claims to have known this priest Pfleger for 20 years.....

[Link: www.suntimes.com...]

I tried posting this to the links but it said it is already posted but I couldn't find it.

"The biggest challenge, I think, is always maintaining your moral compass."

Friends and advisers, such as the Rev. Michael Pfleger, pastor of St. Sabina Roman Catholic Church in the Auburn- Gresham community on the South Side, who has known Obama for the better part of 20 years, help him keep that compass set, he says.

"I always have felt in him this consciousness that, at the end of the day, with all of us, you've got to face God," Pfleger says of Obama. "Faith is key to his life, no question about it. It is central to who he is, and not just in his work in the political field, but as a man, as a black man, as a husband, as a father.... I don't think he could easily divorce his faith from who he is."

DistantThunder

re: #243 song_and_dance_man

You have yet to answer me substantially, still in any case, if you have facts, then please state them.

What do you want me to say bigot? I can't take anyone who calls the Catholic Church the "Great Whore" or "Great Slut" or the "Great Harlot" based on some acid trip interpretation of Revelations seriously.
You've done it in the past and had your posts deleted, and now you just want to change a word and get away with your bigotry. I'm not wasting my time on you. But please feel free to explain that 'seven hills' thing to anyone that is interested.

re: #244 song_and_dance_man

Enjoy it.

Weren't the Obamaites screaming that if you don't vote for the Messiah you were a racist? After seeing this video, coupled with Wright, I must say that if you do vote for Obama, you are a racist.
It would seem the Dem Party has a real problem on their hands and it is the nomination of a black racist that is unelectable.

re: #114 Mo86

re: #114 Mo86

I am embarrasssed on behalf of my city.

But... hasn't anyone told this guy that HE IS WHITE?

I have never understood this ranting and raving about how horrible and racist white people are towards blacks, when the person doing the speaking is white too!

Well, the Jews have people like Norman Finkelstein, Noam Cholmsky, and the Neutra Karta nut jobs who show up to be photographed in support of every anti-semitic tyrant and terrorist on the planet.

There were even blacks who were members of the Ku Klux Klan, and who were willingly used to betray other black people. ( [Link: secretsocieties.tribe.net...] ).

So it's only fair that Catholics should have an equally despicable white priest who spews out racial hatred of all white people.

re: #118 greenmiler

I notice these unfortunate, suffering, displaced persons never demand the "Right of Return"

Bingo! I was thinking about how to make that point but I would have never done as well as this.

SF
Bill

OK,

Let's talk reparations. I'm a card carrying Cherokee. When all the non-native, non-red skinned people get the payment amounts figured out, how about we just settle up then, Father?

Pastor Hagee apologizes for anti-Catholic remarks May 13

"In my zeal to oppose anti-Semitism and bigotry in all its ugly forms, I have often emphasized the darkest chapters in the history of Catholics and Protestant relations with the Jews," Hagee wrote. "In the process, I may have contributed to the mistaken impression that the anti-Jewish violence of the Crusades and the Inquisition defines the Catholic Church. It most certainly does not."

Hagee has often made references to "the apostate church" and the "great whore," terms that Catholics say are slurs aimed at the Roman Catholic Church. In his letter, Hagee said he now better understood that the Book of Revelation's reference to the Catholic Church as "the apostate church" and the "great whore" are "a rhetorical device long employed in anti-Catholic literature and commentary."

He stressed that in his use, "neither of these phrases can be synonymous with the Catholic Church."

re: #249 song_and_dance_man
I see you evaded the "seven hills" question. Why don't you explain that? You know you want to. Throw some links out to back up your argument, too. I'm sure you've got them and are just itching to use them. The floor is yours. I'll check back in the morning.

re: #242 EC Marm

It's actually the Whore of Babylon, that being the Roman Catholic Church. Screwy fundy crap really.

As to this so-called man of God: Whatever, media whore. I pray I will never sell out my faith and Church for ultra-liberal politics.

Meh, no need to pray, ain't gonna happen.

re: #247 EC Marm

What do you want me to say bigot? I can't take anyone who calls the Catholic Church the "Great Whore" or "Great Slut" or the "Great Harlot" based on some acid trip interpretation of Revelations seriously.
You've done it in the past and had your posts deleted, and now you just want to change a word and get away with your bigotry. I'm not wasting my time on you. But please feel free to explain that 'seven hills' thing to anyone that is interested.

Step back from the ledge......

I'm not the one to identify the "Whore of Babylon", but having seen that clip I can definitely show you the Whore of Chicago.

re: #257 AndyMacOP

It's actually the Whore of Babylon, that being the Roman Catholic Church. Screwy fundy crap really.

Isn't it kind of strange that nearly all of the events mentioned in the Bible occur within a couple hundred mile radius, yet the "seven hills" are somehow magically transported a thousand miles away to some area relatively unknown to the residents of the Holy Land? Like you say, fundy stuff.
Comment #255 explains where I usually see the stuff and one of the "great whore" originators.

re: #260 EC Marm

Isn't it kind of strange that nearly all of the events mentioned in the Bible occur within a couple hundred mile radius, yet the "seven hills" are somehow magically transported a thousand miles away to some area relatively unknown to the residents of the Holy Land? Like you say, fundy stuff.
Comment #255 explains where I usually see the stuff and one of the "great whore" originators.

I posted #255 to show that Hagee retracted it. If Hagee sees the error, why can't others?

What this priest is doing is scandalous and wrong - it clearly goes against the teaching of the Church. He's almost certainly on the wrong side of the canon law, too.

Here's how to fix this: The first step is to send the transcript to his bishop, along with a letter asking if the bishop would consider the views of the priest to be racist, and if so, what kinds of sanctions can be expected. I would also suggest sending also a letter to the diocese's Anti-racism Committee, headed by Rev. Kendall Haynes, whose e-mail is listed at the link.

All letters should be polite, well-reasoned, and temperate. What's more, all actions should be taken with demonstrable good faith. A combative legalistic approach will not work very well here. What we have is a priest with a moral, spiritual, and perhaps even a psychological disorder. The bishop will seek his recovery before his punishment.

This should receive a quick response, but if it doesn't the next step is forwarding the copy of the of the letters and responses to the appropriate folks at the Vatican (probably to Wm. Joseph Levada at the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith, start by inquiring at the cdf@cfaith.va). It might also be good to retain a good canon lawyer in the unlikely case that the bishop is totally unresponsive - the folks at the Saint Joseph's Foundation will probably be happy to help, although I'm guessing it won't come to that.

re: #261 zmdavid

I posted #255 to show that Hagee retracted it. If Hagee sees the error, why can't others?

I guess their eyes "offendth them" and they plucked them out.

And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

Because if you really want to literally interpret the Bible, that's what one would do.

re: #233 song_and_dance_man

The subject of the Great Slut cannot be left aside to be determined for a later date.

She is the one who entertains the world with the guise of religion. All her prostitutes assume the pose and accepts the values of everything wordly that is contrary to God, with the exception the hostel must assume some semblance of religiosity.

She is found everywhere wherever He is not found nowadays.

If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. Remember the words I spoke to you: 'No servant is greater than his master.' If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also. They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the One who sent me.

This had me confused at first but now I see; you are talking about Islam! Right?

SF
Bill

re: #253 song_and_dance_man

I'm weary of the tag team and miss your input. Over the ring in just the nick of time would be nice.

/Don't be shy

Ok. then. The New Testament in the reinterpretation of the the story of Mithra with an anti-Roman slant. There's now way the original authors woulds have known they would eventually destroy the temple of Mirtha on "Vatican Hill", replace it with the Vatican, and take over Rome. Of course there's anti-Roman stuff in there. That's the whole point of inventing the religion in the first place.
Am I helping?
/

Ahhh, yes - "Father" Michael Phlegmbag... no wonder the Catholic Church is falling apart - can't give the boot to either child molesters or racist scumbags.

re: #270 song_and_dance_man

I've heard your crap before and despise your objection to curry and feathers

Is that an anti-tandoori reference?
Behead those who insult lentils!

re: #91 song_and_dance_man

The great Harlot becomes more defined?
/you mean the Catholic Church?
I disagree. Yes a bad priest, but it is apparent he doesn't serve God or the Church, but himself.

re: #273 song_and_dance_man

I was asking you a question is all. I have defended you at times.
I am not your enemy. I have never in my life seen a priest act as this one has. I am Catholic yes.....and nearly turned my back on the Church (but not God) at one time because of a priest mentioning the suicide of my father-in-law at mass. God quickly turned me around.
I do not consider one Christian better than another. I am Catholic and will remain so. I have learned from protestants also.
I know you saw that post. I simply do not like people degrading the Catholic Church....it has it flaws as do all humans. But I have never degraded other Christians simply because they weren't Catholic.

re: #273 song_and_dance_man

Plus I do respect Miguels posts.

re: #111 debutaunt

He was hilarious. Frankly Starlett...

Oops, sorry, accidentally down-dinged you. Lovvved The Korman, have seen Saddles at least three dozen times. Seriously.

re: #278 song_and_dance_man

The Whore may come from a religion but not one that pleads the Blood of Christ and continually mentions The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Nor one that mentions Jesus Christ as the Savior.
If God turned me around from turning my back on the Catholic Church..
The Whore will not come from the Church.
I was lead through the darkness at that time....I took the steps forward not knowing whether or not I would fall off the cliff and on faith I stepped forward not knowing whether God should give wings or solid ground. He did. I have no fear of the future because by keeping in contact ( by prayer) I will be lead through the darkness unharmed.
Many people who are not Catholic and even Catholics themselves do not understand the Church. I recieved a quick understanding in my late 30's.
To say ugly things about the Pope is what? Being Christian?
The Catholic Church is not the enemy.

re: #279 Suzette

Nor shall it come from the Jewish religion or the Protestants.

Barack Hussein Obama is a phony candidate and all his friends are RADICAL. God save America