Alas, the two sides in this debate seemed unlikely to find common ground. The right is outraged, the left is dumbfounded. Here’s an idea: chalk it up to a crime of passion — for doughnuts.

This ain't about the donuts.... it's about a terrorist symbol!

I thought covering her neckline would be a move that was against her best interest...but I'm obviously a sexist, so what can I say?

Now's the time for Rachel Ray Inc. to introduce America to the dark arts of the kitchen. Subvert the dominant culinary paradigm!

The left uses this as an excuse for ridicule, while tacitly acknowledging they understand the symbolism completely. In fact most think they can read the mind of those that disagree with them. BS

Notice I spelled her name right. I owe her that much.

The fact that we cannot agree that this obvious symbol of anti-Western/pro-Phakestinian ideals is a bad thing that should be shunned is to me a huge red flag that we are not accomplishing the necessity of acknowledging and knowing who the enemy is and uniting to defeat it.

Although this symbol is not the enemy itself, its is a symbol on its behalf.

Throughout all this I feel as if it is 1934 and I have just seen a prominent actor wearing a Swastika and when I complain that it is a Nazi symbol I instead get a response going through the thousands of years this symbol was used by Asians and Hindu.

If we can't get it together...we are going to have some real trouble defeating the enemy.

Cooked one her recipes the other day. Very good.

The comments below are amazing, right in line with the Times reader. See if you can spot Cognitos.

"Rachael"? Ok.

Leave it to the nyt to spin this issue more towards nice, light, fluffy donuts instead of taking a deeper look into the meaning of the symbol that actually caused this controversy. It's really shameful.

I cooked her Chicken Noodle Soup recipe. Bleh.

They should do an ad with some white guys wearing white robes and see how it goes over.

"All publicity is good publicity, as long as they spell your name right."

-- often attributed to P. T. Barnum

Are there still those who get excited by the idea of RadicalChic® ?

It's just an ugly accessory worn by a silly bimbo with no fashion sense.

re: #14 Charles

At this point, it's purely etiquette. What other "Rachael" or "Rachel" Rays exist in MSM World?

It's like Michael without the 'Mi'

re: #7 WrathofG-d

It doesn't help that per the State Dept we're not supposed to name the enemy.
We've all said it here - how can you fight a war when no one is allowed to say who we are fighting?

re: #16 Alouette

It's just an ugly accessory worn by a silly bimbo with no fashion sense.

There is a pie joke in there, but.....

re: #7 WrathofG-d

The swastika being subverted by the Nazis is a perfect and concise analogy. Just because it WAS harmless and may still be used innocently, it has come to represent vile and hateful things.

As with the kaffiyeh.

re: #19 seekeroftruth

Oh fer pete's sake. You can bloody well fight a war without naming the enemy explicitly. This isn't WWII.

It's like wearing the Jolly Roger during our war against the Barbary Pirates, no?

re: #22 godfrey

Yup - it's WWIII of WWIV depending on who you talk to.

re: #23 godfrey

It's like wearing the Jolly Roger during our war against the Barbary Pirates, no?

Except the JR was never meant for anything other than to inspire fear.

re: #6 Charles

LOL

Okay I'm a cave man.

Just what is Ray's claim to 15 minutes of fame?

Other than posing in a "peace scarf" in front of the OR Capital Building.

Once upon a time, you could wear a kaffiyeh, and nobody made an issue of it. Until the LLL started assigning a political identity to it by referring to it as a 'freedom scarf', or some such idiocy, it was just another piece of cloth from the ME. Now it is worn precisely to show solidarity with the splodeys and their murderous ideology. You can thank the liberal left for turning everything into a political statement.

re: #23 godfrey

For me- as a woman- it's more than just palestinian solidarity. You're wearing a scarf of a culture that oppresses women. So I find it disgusting on a couple levels.

re: #9 unrealizedviewpoint

The comments below are amazing, right in line with the Times reader. See if you can spot Cognitos.

Picador.

Easier than a direct statement of your own, I suppose.

Rachael Ray is one of O'Reilly's "pinheads" tonight.

re: #22 godfrey

Oh fer pete's sake. You can bloody well fight a war without naming the enemy explicitly. This isn't WWII.

re: #24 seekeroftruth

Cold War -- WWIII.
GWoT -- WWIV.

By my count.

re: #31 Charles

Rachael Ray is one of O'Reilly's "pinheads" tonight.

I didn't realize he would be elevating her status.

I think Rachael Ray is as cute as a bug in a rug. I also think she is probably not the sharpest tool in the bag. She may not have known what she was getting into.

The fact that we can not agree on our enemy is a cultural failure. Education has failed to ground our people in our own history. Churches have failed to teach people between what is right and wrong. Politicians have failed to educate the public on the dangers this country faces.

The result is that there are more idiots in the USA now that you can shake a stick at.

Is it so hard for to understand that the donuts are fine and it's the scarf being worn is the problem?

re: #34 hrhamilton

That's because the LLL have politicized everything from the vagina to, well, scarves.

re: #34 hrhamilton

I think Rachael Ray is as cute as a bug in a rug. I also think she is probably not the sharpest tool in the bag. She may not have known what she was getting into.

The fact that we can not agree on our enemy is a cultural failure. Education has failed to ground our people in our own history. Churches have failed to teach people between what is right and wrong. Politicians have failed to educate the public on the dangers this country faces.

The result is that there are more idiots in the USA now that you can shake a stick at.

I think that is the biggest mistake President Bush made. Not naming the enemy and white washing radical Islam from the get go. And it went down hill from there.

re: #35 Idle Drifter

Is it so hard for to understand that the donuts are fine and it's the scarf being worn is the problem?

Apparently, yes. But this is the nyt we're talking about- obfuscating the real issue is what they do best.

O'Reilly is too stupid to really call Ms. Ray a "pinhead".
So many ssues pass him by due to his fear and loathing of the blogs.

re: #34 hrhamilton

The result is that there are more idiots in the USA now that you can shake a stick at.

You could shake a stick at them, they would just begin to debate the meaning of it. Whether it was a fair expression of protected speech, or perhaps the shaking stick represented some psychological failure. Maybe their was some primal spiritual significance to shaking a stick...?

/sarc

re: #32 jcm

Thanks !

re: #16 Alouette

Wait, wait, wait. We should not put this Kaffiyeh thing on Rachel Ray. If you know anything about the entertainment industry you know that the actors (talent) are nothing but puppets.

She doesn't pick her clothing, she doesn't pick what she is supposed to say, she doesn't pick anything. She shows up, and has a bunch of other people instruct her on all of that.

The Kiffiyeh being used is the problem....not the person that wore it.

I see that the commenters at the NYT pretty much all drink from the same poisoned tub of koolaid.

When you fail to recognize the influence of creeping islamization in western society, by the time its pervasiveness has truly alarmed you, it's just way too late.

All these "progressive thinkers" out there had better get real soon, or they will get exactly what they are asking for, which is something that they would never ever want if they truly understood what it would mean to them.

I am all for politicizing right back at the LLL. The problem is no Republicans want to get down and dirty.

GOOD EVENING, LIZARDS!

I'm baffled by the hate mail from Rachael's 'fans'... as far as I can recall, Charles never attacked Rachael Ray, just the symbolic attire she was wearing. Some posters here may have had fun at Rachael's expense; I don't know. Most of us took the position that Ms. Ray probably didn't understand the offensive nature of her stylists' wardrobe choice. So...what gives with the hate mail?

The very LAST thing Rachael Ray needs is MORE publicity. Her Joker-from-Batman grin is EVERY damn place. I used to like her a little. Now she's just obnoxious, and ubiquitous. GACK!

re: #43 WrathofG-d

The Kiffiyeh being used is the problem....not the person that wore it.

Exactly.

OT
McClellan might vote for Obama?

re: #30 Cognito

Picador.

Easier than a direct statement of your own, I suppose.

I've noticed you say things just like the above statement an awful lot when addressing someone who has issue with your position. WTF

re: #36 Gang of One

That's because the LLL have politicized everything from the vagina to, well, scarves.

I was subjected to a tv ad earlier today that featured two bright-eyed and presumably intelligent women discussing their new birth control pills which reduce their periods to only four a year.

We are doomed.

The Lede (NYT) says:

On Tuesday, Dunkin’ Donuts announced that it was dropping the advertisement. But they also made clear that this was all a big misunderstanding. “Rachael Ray is wearing a black-and-white silk scarf with a paisley design,” the company said in a statement, according to The Boston Globe. “Absolutely no symbolism was intended.”

The Boston Globe says:

Said the suits in a statement: ‘‘In a recent online ad, Rachael Ray is wearing a black-and-white silk scarf with a paisley design. It was selected by her stylist for the advertising shoot.

[Link: www.boston.com...]

Has anyone actually seen a high-res photo of this 'paisley' scarf, or are the reporters just repeating what the company said, without checking the original scarf? This is just sloppy.

Imagine Martha Stewart wearing " The Taliban Are Cool" t-shirt on one of her shows. Would never happen.

Fact is I find it incredibly amazing that this attractive idiot, the ladies from "The View", and leftist women in the media in general haven't set up a charity that would provide places of refuge for muslim women facing honor killings, genital mutilation, and the like.

The rights of women only matter to these women when they dovetail perfectly with their leftist views and occur in the western countries it seems.

re: #49 unrealizedviewpoint

I've noticed you say things just like the above statement an awful lot when addressing someone who has issue with your position. WTF

Really. I don't believe I've ever brought up another commenter on a thread. Ever.

Please feel free to prove me wrong.

re: #37 Nevergiveup

I think that is the biggest mistake President Bush made. Not naming the enemy and white washing radical Islam from the get go. And it went down hill from there.

It doesn't look like it's going to get better:

Jihad Watch is talking about " The great war against nothing in particular"

"Security chief decries ‘war on terror,’" by Demetri Sevastopulo in the Financial Times, May 28 - The west needs a more comprehensive strategy to counter al-Qaeda propaganda and the US should stop using the term “war on terror”, according to a top intelligence official.

[Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]

Rachael's Fashion Sense.

(Note the stockings, please.)

Honestly, I wouldn't know Ray if I bumped into her.

Isn't her claim to fame making "orgasm face" when eating things on the TV screen?

When my boys were rug rats i was known to use a' piece of shit scarf' as a diaper cover. good use for it i think.

re: #28 Gang of One

Once upon a time, you could wear a kaffiyeh, and nobody made an issue of it. Until the LLL started assigning a political identity to it by referring to it as a 'freedom scarf', or some such idiocy, it was just another piece of cloth from the ME. Now it is worn precisely to show solidarity with the splodeys and their murderous ideology. You can thank the liberal left for turning everything into a political statement.

You got it. This only became an issue because the MSM decided to portray terrorists, and their symbols, as freedom fighters. Only a mind terminally addled by deconstructionism [or Islamism] could possibly see them as such. It is the job of the righteous to thwart the lies of the corrupted.

re: #56 looking closely

Honestly, I wouldn't know Ray if I bumped into her.

Isn't her claim to fame making "orgasm face" when eating things on the TV screen?

Yea, that's the face, she makes it on TV too?

re: #45 hrhamilton

I dunno. The LLL politicize everything because that is the only way they can frame an argument -- by making it a matter of the oppressor vs. the oppressed. It's just the same old tired Marxist dialectic applied to every conceivable idea and object. Refuting and demolishing their 'arguments' is more important, and to do that we need to marshal all our facts -- historical, scientific, literary, etc. LLL and facts are like water and oil: they just don't mix well together.

re: #53 Cognito

Really. I don't believe I've ever brought up another commenter on a thread. Ever.

Please feel free to prove me wrong.

How dense are you? I'm referring to the comment, not the commenter.

The Kiffiyeh being used is the problem....not the person that wore it.
Unless the person wearing it is doing it to make a political point. I don't think Rachael Ray was doing that. On the other hand being uneducated and uninformed is not way to go through life!

re: #55 FightingBack

Rachael's

re: #55 FightingBack

Rachael's Fashion Sense.

(Note the stockings, please.)

Stockings?

re: #56 looking closely

Honestly, I wouldn't know Ray if I bumped into her.

Isn't her claim to fame making "orgasm face" when eating things on the TV screen?

Yup.
I thought so.

re: #58 stevieray

To the Left....everything is politics!

re: #41 psyop

Post-modernism will be the death of us all.

re: #55 FightingBack

Rachael's Fashion Sense.

(Note the stockings, please.)

Eeeewww! That's wrong on SO many levels! But, she still could have relied on a stylist to pick that crap out. Scary....

re: #61 unrealizedviewpoint

How dense are you? I'm referring to the comment, not the commenter.

As I said. It's easier to be a picador than to make your own statements.

If you need to imagine that I might have said something, rather than citing it outright, then feel free. Because I think you're making it up as you go.

Moving on.

Ya know Gog, I find most of your positions sound. Unfortunately, all too often, you go off the rails (I think as devils advocate), and you take a position, stick with it, just to see how far you can take it.

re: #55 FightingBack

I like her stockings, but that's just my oddity, neh?

Depressing comments on this one. If Ms. Ray dressed up as a nun and filmed the commercial outside a church, and militant atheists boycotted DD, I wonder how many of these people would see this as a "non-story".

/ I know the analogy is imperfect, but still

re: #55 FightingBack

Rachael's

re: #70 unrealizedviewpoint
Okay.

Back to the topic at hand.

re: #55 FightingBack

Rachael's

#60 gang of One

Actually your point there is exactly how I feel about it. The way you get ahead is by convincing people that you are right. We all need to be educators about the greatness of the USA, the justness of our cause, the great values that Western Civilization shares with us. This is where we need to be fighting. I'm a fighter not a lover, and we need to fight for our great country.

re: #69 Cognito

As I said. It's easier to be a picador than to make your own statements.

If you need to imagine that I might have said something, rather than citing it outright, then feel free. Because I think you're making it up as you go.

Moving on.

Bull-sh**
I commented that I thought the comments below the LEDE article sounded just like your comments. And they do.

re: #71 Gang of One

I like her stockings, but that's just my oddity, neh?

NEVER, Never, never....wear stockings with open-toed shoes! Ugh! And if you must break this rule, wear a stocking that matches the color of your legs!

Short girls with ample hips should NEVER wear that type of print, either! It makes her look much larger than she is. What girl wants THAT?

re: #76 hrhamilton

I agree.

re: #73 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Se has a cooking show on the Food Network.

re: #76 hrhamilton

I'm with YOU.

who on the other thread said that Swastikas would never become fashionable in our lifetime?

re: #77 unrealizedviewpoint

Bull-sh**
I commented that I thought the comments below the LEDE article sounded just like your comments. And they do.

Right.

Back to the topic.

re: #80 Sharmuta

Se has a cooking show on the Food Network.

I just browse fooddownunder until I find one of the 200K plus that tantalizes me...

re: #80 Sharmuta

Se has a cooking show on the Food Network.

She has three (used to be four!) shows on the Food Network. Oprah Winfrey liked her so much, she gave her a talk show, too. She shills for crackers, olive oil (EVOO....Phuleeze!), donuts, and anything else that will bring in a buck.

She's Beatrice!

/old ad campaign....anyone else remember?

#79 gang of one

Does that mean we are a gang of two now?

Or three with #81 nevergiveup?

Rachael Ray...OOPS!

The other side of the debate appears to think that wearing the keffiyeh as a fashion is wrong because it isn't political enough.
Design students talking about Keffiyehs: is wearing them insulting and irreverent because the wearers don't understand them as a show of Arab solidarity?

"I have taken to asking people wearing the keffiyeh whether or not they support Palestinian independence. The look of confusion in 90% of peoples' faces is priceless. It has come to be one of my favorite pastimes when I go out in Manhattan!

I have my keffiyeh, brought back from Germany, which I have had since the 1980's, proudly wore through the first intifada, and now must leave in my closet because apolitical rich white hipster f*ks have appropriated a charged symbol of political struggle. I have to satisfy myself with my "Free Palestine Now" button." --Jacqueline Schoeffel

[Link: mfad.typepad.com...]

re: #85 Grammy Cracker

Then she's living the American dream. Just hope she ditches the terror sympathizing accessories.

re: #78 Grammy Cracker

OK, not being a female, I don't know all the rules about hose and shoes, but I thought there is a type of hose, 'sandal foot' or something, for that choice. If anything, it looks like they are not a sheer weight hose, or maybe the angle of the light makes them look like high-compression, varicose-vein stockings. I guess it's a girl fashion thing?

None of the stories about this show Arafish or other notable "freedom fighters" of that region wearing their "scarves". Why is that? They don't want us all to come to the same conclusion?

Kiffeyeh shoes too?
(what do arafat, sting, and colin farrel have in common?)

re: #62 Nevergiveup

The Kiffiyeh being used is the problem....not the person that wore it.
Unless the person wearing it is doing it to make a political point. I don't think Rachael Ray was doing that. On the other hand being uneducated and uninformed is not way to go through life!

I agree. However, do we -- or better yet -- should we, give a pass to every idiotic celebrity who espouses ridiculous ideals just because they should know better? Unfortunately, they are what the world sees of America.

Better hypothetical than my previous ham-handed analogy:

If Rachael Ray had worn an IDF t-shirt, and DD was not only boycotted (by CAIR), but threatened with violence (by CAIR-funded groups), would these NYT bloggers be calling the Islamists "loony", "unreasonable", etc. - or would they be calling DD "insensitive".

re: #82 WrathofG-d

who on the other thread said that Swastikas would never become fashionable in our lifetime?

Dear Lord! That get-up is fugly enough without the nasty nazi symbol! What is WRONG with these people?

#87 bob

Here is where I get in trouble. I said she was cute as a bug in a rug.

re: #86 hrhamilton

#79 gang of one

Does that mean we are a gang of two now?

Or three with #81 nevergiveup?

We get one more, we can run the Peoples Republic of China!

/Mouse E. Dung

re: #92 WrathofG-d

Kiffeyeh shoes too?
(what do arafat, sting, and colin farrel have in common?)

Not Sting. Nope- that one's red, so it just can't be!

/cognito

re: #92 WrathofG-d

Che basqued in high fashion
For over four decades;
Folks wore berets with passion
To storm the barricades

But now old Che is fading
As a new accent holds sway
For leftists masquerading
As they wait to greet The Day

And copies of the checked rag
Once worn by Arafat
Now conceals the neck sag
On priv'leged leftist brats.

Alright. I just got here.

I have a black and white plaid scarf that looks smashing with my Black Wool Overcoat and Fedora.

Am I not allowed to wear it? I have had it for years. The Arafish thing never occurred to me.

All of your black and white plaid are belong to us? I think not!

RIP Hedley Lamarr.

#97

You made me laugh.

re: #100 buzzsawmonkey

Whatever happened to winslow the composer?

re: #87 Bob in Breckenridge

re: #88 jaunte

The other side of the debate appears to think that wearing the keffiyeh as a fashion is wrong because it isn't political enough.
Design students talking about Keffiyehs: is wearing them insulting and irreverent because the wearers don't understand them as a show of Arab solidarity?

[Link:

re: #98 Sharmuta

Not Sting. Nope- that one's red, so it just can't be!

/cognito

From the link:

What has been worn by Arab men in the Middle East for centuries is now fashion industry’s accessory of the season. It’s not nomadic kitsch or a political statement but cutting-edge Middle Eastern grunge, equivalent to what the doc martens represented in the 70s.

The red one is a pan-Arab piece of gear. Not a Palestinian symbol. Sorry.

re: #28 Gang of One

Once upon a time, you could wear a kaffiyeh, and nobody made an issue of it. Until the LLL started assigning a political identity to it by referring to it as a 'freedom scarf', or some such idiocy, it was just another piece of cloth from the ME. Now it is worn precisely to show solidarity with the splodeys and their murderous ideology. You can thank the liberal left for turning everything into a political statement.

You hit the Nail squarely here Gang.

Soon as they titled it the Freedom Scarf they began displaying their solidarity, by way of fashion, with the terrorists, who want to kill us, and them too.

re: #104 average_guy

Banned for what?

re: #103 Bob in Breckenridge

Whatever happened to winslow the composer?

He still drops in from time to time, as far as I know. He is always more sparing with his comments than I.