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NYT Blogs the Kaffiyeh Kontroversy

Thu, May 29, 2008 at 5:47:12 pm PDT

New York Times “blog” The Lede has a surprisingly even-handed (for them) article on the kaffiyeh controversy: Doughnuts: The Third Rail of American Politics? - The Lede - Breaking News - New York Times Blog.

And yes, I’m still getting hate mail over this one. Who knew there were so many rabid Rachael Ray fans out there?

Her publicist must be chortling in delight right now.

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1 Sharmuta  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:48:35pm
Alas, the two sides in this debate seemed unlikely to find common ground. The right is outraged, the left is dumbfounded. Here’s an idea: chalk it up to a crime of passion — for doughnuts.

This ain't about the donuts.... it's about a terrorist symbol!

2 average_guy  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:48:53pm

I thought covering her neckline would be a move that was against her best interest...but I'm obviously a sexist, so what can I say?

3 godfrey  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:49:47pm

Now's the time for Rachel Ray Inc. to introduce America to the dark arts of the kitchen. Subvert the dominant culinary paradigm!

4 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:50:17pm
5 pat  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:50:37pm

The left uses this as an excuse for ridicule, while tacitly acknowledging they understand the symbolism completely. In fact most think they can read the mind of those that disagree with them. BS

6 Charles  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:51:01pm

Notice I spelled her name right. I owe her that much.

7 WrathofG-d  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:51:24pm

The fact that we cannot agree that this obvious symbol of anti-Western/pro-Phakestinian ideals is a bad thing that should be shunned is to me a huge red flag that we are not accomplishing the necessity of acknowledging and knowing who the enemy is and uniting to defeat it.

Although this symbol is not the enemy itself, its is a symbol on its behalf.

Throughout all this I feel as if it is 1934 and I have just seen a prominent actor wearing a Swastika and when I complain that it is a Nazi symbol I instead get a response going through the thousands of years this symbol was used by Asians and Hindu.

If we can't get it together...we are going to have some real trouble defeating the enemy.

8 pat  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:51:33pm

Cooked one her recipes the other day. Very good.

9 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:51:40pm

The comments below are amazing, right in line with the Times reader. See if you can spot Cognitos.

10 godfrey  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:51:49pm

"Rachael"? Ok.

11 Sharmuta  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:51:58pm

Leave it to the nyt to spin this issue more towards nice, light, fluffy donuts instead of taking a deeper look into the meaning of the symbol that actually caused this controversy. It's really shameful.

12 godfrey  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:52:14pm

I cooked her Chicken Noodle Soup recipe. Bleh.

13 psyop  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:52:28pm

They should do an ad with some white guys wearing white robes and see how it goes over.

14 Charles  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:52:45pm

"All publicity is good publicity, as long as they spell your name right."

-- often attributed to P. T. Barnum

15 Gang of One  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:52:47pm

Are there still those who get excited by the idea of RadicalChic® ?

16 Alouette  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:53:21pm

It's just an ugly accessory worn by a silly bimbo with no fashion sense.

17 godfrey  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:53:53pm

re: #14 Charles

At this point, it's purely etiquette. What other "Rachael" or "Rachel" Rays exist in MSM World?

18 sngnsgt  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:54:06pm

It's like Michael without the 'Mi'

19 seekeroftruth  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:54:17pm

re: #7 WrathofG-d

It doesn't help that per the State Dept we're not supposed to name the enemy.
We've all said it here - how can you fight a war when no one is allowed to say who we are fighting?

20 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:54:19pm

re: #16 Alouette

It's just an ugly accessory worn by a silly bimbo with no fashion sense.

There is a pie joke in there, but.....

21 psyop  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:54:46pm

re: #7 WrathofG-d

The swastika being subverted by the Nazis is a perfect and concise analogy. Just because it WAS harmless and may still be used innocently, it has come to represent vile and hateful things.

As with the kaffiyeh.

22 godfrey  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:55:01pm

re: #19 seekeroftruth

Oh fer pete's sake. You can bloody well fight a war without naming the enemy explicitly. This isn't WWII.

23 godfrey  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:56:10pm

It's like wearing the Jolly Roger during our war against the Barbary Pirates, no?

24 seekeroftruth  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:56:19pm

re: #22 godfrey

Yup - it's WWIII of WWIV depending on who you talk to.

25 psyop  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:57:22pm

re: #23 godfrey

It's like wearing the Jolly Roger during our war against the Barbary Pirates, no?

Except the JR was never meant for anything other than to inspire fear.

26 gop_patriot  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:57:56pm

re: #6 Charles

LOL

27 jcm  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:58:11pm

Okay I'm a cave man.

Just what is Ray's claim to 15 minutes of fame?

Other than posing in a "peace scarf" in front of the OR Capital Building.

28 Gang of One  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:58:18pm

Once upon a time, you could wear a kaffiyeh, and nobody made an issue of it. Until the LLL started assigning a political identity to it by referring to it as a 'freedom scarf', or some such idiocy, it was just another piece of cloth from the ME. Now it is worn precisely to show solidarity with the splodeys and their murderous ideology. You can thank the liberal left for turning everything into a political statement.

29 Sharmuta  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:58:25pm

re: #23 godfrey

For me- as a woman- it's more than just palestinian solidarity. You're wearing a scarf of a culture that oppresses women. So I find it disgusting on a couple levels.

30 Cognito  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:58:28pm

re: #9 unrealizedviewpoint

The comments below are amazing, right in line with the Times reader. See if you can spot Cognitos.

Picador.

Easier than a direct statement of your own, I suppose.

31 Charles  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:58:50pm

Rachael Ray is one of O'Reilly's "pinheads" tonight.

32 jcm  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:59:17pm

re: #22 godfrey

Oh fer pete's sake. You can bloody well fight a war without naming the enemy explicitly. This isn't WWII.

re: #24 seekeroftruth

Cold War -- WWIII.
GWoT -- WWIV.

By my count.

33 psyop  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:59:39pm

re: #31 Charles

Rachael Ray is one of O'Reilly's "pinheads" tonight.

I didn't realize he would be elevating her status.

34 hrhamilton  Thu, May 29, 2008 5:59:45pm

I think Rachael Ray is as cute as a bug in a rug. I also think she is probably not the sharpest tool in the bag. She may not have known what she was getting into.

The fact that we can not agree on our enemy is a cultural failure. Education has failed to ground our people in our own history. Churches have failed to teach people between what is right and wrong. Politicians have failed to educate the public on the dangers this country faces.

The result is that there are more idiots in the USA now that you can shake a stick at.

35 Idle Drifter  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:00:37pm

Is it so hard for to understand that the donuts are fine and it's the scarf being worn is the problem?

36 Gang of One  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:01:26pm

re: #34 hrhamilton

That's because the LLL have politicized everything from the vagina to, well, scarves.

37 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:01:54pm

re: #34 hrhamilton

I think Rachael Ray is as cute as a bug in a rug. I also think she is probably not the sharpest tool in the bag. She may not have known what she was getting into.

The fact that we can not agree on our enemy is a cultural failure. Education has failed to ground our people in our own history. Churches have failed to teach people between what is right and wrong. Politicians have failed to educate the public on the dangers this country faces.

The result is that there are more idiots in the USA now that you can shake a stick at.

I think that is the biggest mistake President Bush made. Not naming the enemy and white washing radical Islam from the get go. And it went down hill from there.

38 Sharmuta  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:01:55pm

re: #35 Idle Drifter

Is it so hard for to understand that the donuts are fine and it's the scarf being worn is the problem?

Apparently, yes. But this is the nyt we're talking about- obfuscating the real issue is what they do best.

39 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:02:14pm
40 acapesket123  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:02:26pm

O'Reilly is too stupid to really call Ms. Ray a "pinhead".
So many ssues pass him by due to his fear and loathing of the blogs.

41 psyop  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:02:37pm

re: #34 hrhamilton

The result is that there are more idiots in the USA now that you can shake a stick at.

You could shake a stick at them, they would just begin to debate the meaning of it. Whether it was a fair expression of protected speech, or perhaps the shaking stick represented some psychological failure. Maybe their was some primal spiritual significance to shaking a stick...?

/sarc

42 seekeroftruth  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:02:43pm

re: #32 jcm

Thanks !

43 WrathofG-d  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:03:05pm

re: #16 Alouette


Wait, wait, wait. We should not put this Kaffiyeh thing on Rachel Ray. If you know anything about the entertainment industry you know that the actors (talent) are nothing but puppets.

She doesn't pick her clothing, she doesn't pick what she is supposed to say, she doesn't pick anything. She shows up, and has a bunch of other people instruct her on all of that.

The Kiffiyeh being used is the problem....not the person that wore it.

44 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:03:42pm

I see that the commenters at the NYT pretty much all drink from the same poisoned tub of koolaid.

When you fail to recognize the influence of creeping islamization in western society, by the time its pervasiveness has truly alarmed you, it's just way too late.

All these "progressive thinkers" out there had better get real soon, or they will get exactly what they are asking for, which is something that they would never ever want if they truly understood what it would mean to them.

45 hrhamilton  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:03:49pm

I am all for politicizing right back at the LLL. The problem is no Republicans want to get down and dirty.

46 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:03:57pm

GOOD EVENING, LIZARDS!

I'm baffled by the hate mail from Rachael's 'fans'... as far as I can recall, Charles never attacked Rachael Ray, just the symbolic attire she was wearing. Some posters here may have had fun at Rachael's expense; I don't know. Most of us took the position that Ms. Ray probably didn't understand the offensive nature of her stylists' wardrobe choice. So...what gives with the hate mail?

The very LAST thing Rachael Ray needs is MORE publicity. Her Joker-from-Batman grin is EVERY damn place. I used to like her a little. Now she's just obnoxious, and ubiquitous. GACK!

47 Charles  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:04:40pm

re: #43 WrathofG-d

The Kiffiyeh being used is the problem....not the person that wore it.

Exactly.

48 sngnsgt  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:05:19pm

OT
McClellan might vote for Obama?

49 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:05:20pm

re: #30 Cognito

Picador.

Easier than a direct statement of your own, I suppose.

I've noticed you say things just like the above statement an awful lot when addressing someone who has issue with your position. WTF

50 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:06:27pm

re: #36 Gang of One

That's because the LLL have politicized everything from the vagina to, well, scarves.

I was subjected to a tv ad earlier today that featured two bright-eyed and presumably intelligent women discussing their new birth control pills which reduce their periods to only four a year.

We are doomed.

51 jaunte  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:06:31pm

The Lede (NYT) says:

On Tuesday, Dunkin’ Donuts announced that it was dropping the advertisement. But they also made clear that this was all a big misunderstanding. “Rachael Ray is wearing a black-and-white silk scarf with a paisley design,” the company said in a statement, according to The Boston Globe. “Absolutely no symbolism was intended.”


The Boston Globe says:

Said the suits in a statement: ‘‘In a recent online ad, Rachael Ray is wearing a black-and-white silk scarf with a paisley design. It was selected by her stylist for the advertising shoot.


[Link: www.boston.com...]

Has anyone actually seen a high-res photo of this 'paisley' scarf, or are the reporters just repeating what the company said, without checking the original scarf? This is just sloppy.

52 offendi  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:06:49pm

Imagine Martha Stewart wearing " The Taliban Are Cool" t-shirt on one of her shows. Would never happen.

Fact is I find it incredibly amazing that this attractive idiot, the ladies from "The View", and leftist women in the media in general haven't set up a charity that would provide places of refuge for muslim women facing honor killings, genital mutilation, and the like.

The rights of women only matter to these women when they dovetail perfectly with their leftist views and occur in the western countries it seems.

53 Cognito  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:07:17pm

re: #49 unrealizedviewpoint

I've noticed you say things just like the above statement an awful lot when addressing someone who has issue with your position. WTF

Really. I don't believe I've ever brought up another commenter on a thread. Ever.

Please feel free to prove me wrong.

54 seekeroftruth  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:07:19pm

re: #37 Nevergiveup

I think that is the biggest mistake President Bush made. Not naming the enemy and white washing radical Islam from the get go. And it went down hill from there.

It doesn't look like it's going to get better:

Jihad Watch is talking about " The great war against nothing in particular"

"Security chief decries ‘war on terror,’" by Demetri Sevastopulo in the Financial Times, May 28 - The west needs a more comprehensive strategy to counter al-Qaeda propaganda and the US should stop using the term “war on terror”, according to a top intelligence official.


[Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]

55 FightingBack  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:07:25pm

Rachael's Fashion Sense.

(Note the stockings, please.)

56 looking closely  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:07:27pm

Honestly, I wouldn't know Ray if I bumped into her.

Isn't her claim to fame making "orgasm face" when eating things on the TV screen?

57 yochanan  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:08:03pm

When my boys were rug rats i was known to use a' piece of shit scarf' as a diaper cover. good use for it i think.

58 stevieray  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:08:18pm

re: #28 Gang of One

Once upon a time, you could wear a kaffiyeh, and nobody made an issue of it. Until the LLL started assigning a political identity to it by referring to it as a 'freedom scarf', or some such idiocy, it was just another piece of cloth from the ME. Now it is worn precisely to show solidarity with the splodeys and their murderous ideology. You can thank the liberal left for turning everything into a political statement.

You got it. This only became an issue because the MSM decided to portray terrorists, and their symbols, as freedom fighters. Only a mind terminally addled by deconstructionism [or Islamism] could possibly see them as such. It is the job of the righteous to thwart the lies of the corrupted.

59 sngnsgt  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:08:40pm

re: #56 looking closely

Honestly, I wouldn't know Ray if I bumped into her.

Isn't her claim to fame making "orgasm face" when eating things on the TV screen?

Yea, that's the face, she makes it on TV too?

60 Gang of One  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:08:48pm

re: #45 hrhamilton

I dunno. The LLL politicize everything because that is the only way they can frame an argument -- by making it a matter of the oppressor vs. the oppressed. It's just the same old tired Marxist dialectic applied to every conceivable idea and object. Refuting and demolishing their 'arguments' is more important, and to do that we need to marshal all our facts -- historical, scientific, literary, etc. LLL and facts are like water and oil: they just don't mix well together.

61 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:09:07pm

re: #53 Cognito

Really. I don't believe I've ever brought up another commenter on a thread. Ever.

Please feel free to prove me wrong.

How dense are you? I'm referring to the comment, not the commenter.

62 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:09:09pm

The Kiffiyeh being used is the problem....not the person that wore it.
Unless the person wearing it is doing it to make a political point. I don't think Rachael Ray was doing that. On the other hand being uneducated and uninformed is not way to go through life!

63 Alouette  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:09:16pm

re: #55 FightingBack

Rachael's Fashion Sense.

(Note the stockings, please.)

So, she cut up that dress and wore it as a scarf?

64 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:09:17pm

re: #55 FightingBack

Rachael's Fashion Sense.

(Note the stockings, please.)

Stockings?

65 looking closely  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:09:19pm

re: #56 looking closely

Honestly, I wouldn't know Ray if I bumped into her.

Isn't her claim to fame making "orgasm face" when eating things on the TV screen?

Yup.
I thought so.

66 WrathofG-d  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:09:55pm

re: #58 stevieray

To the Left....everything is politics!

67 Idle Drifter  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:11:07pm

re: #41 psyop

Post-modernism will be the death of us all.

68 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:11:15pm

re: #55 FightingBack

Rachael's Fashion Sense.

(Note the stockings, please.)

Eeeewww! That's wrong on SO many levels! But, she still could have relied on a stylist to pick that crap out. Scary....

69 Cognito  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:11:53pm

re: #61 unrealizedviewpoint

How dense are you? I'm referring to the comment, not the commenter.

As I said. It's easier to be a picador than to make your own statements.

If you need to imagine that I might have said something, rather than citing it outright, then feel free. Because I think you're making it up as you go.

Moving on.

70 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:12:37pm

Ya know Gog, I find most of your positions sound. Unfortunately, all too often, you go off the rails (I think as devils advocate), and you take a position, stick with it, just to see how far you can take it.

71 Gang of One  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:12:49pm

re: #55 FightingBack

I like her stockings, but that's just my oddity, neh?

72 Bacchus's daddy  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:12:53pm

Depressing comments on this one. If Ms. Ray dressed up as a nun and filmed the commercial outside a church, and militant atheists boycotted DD, I wonder how many of these people would see this as a "non-story".

/ I know the analogy is imperfect, but still

73 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:13:12pm

re: #55 FightingBack

Rachael's Fashion Sense.

(Note the stockings, please.)

Good gawd. BTW, who is Rachael Ray? I'd never even heard her name until I read about the current controversy.

74 Cognito  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:13:27pm

re: #70 unrealizedviewpoint
Okay.

Back to the topic at hand.

75 average_guy  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:13:53pm

re: #55 FightingBack

Rachael's Fashion Sense.

(Note the stockings, please.)

This confirms my #2 (ducks and smiles)...

Don't ban me bro!

76 hrhamilton  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:14:35pm

#60 gang of One

Actually your point there is exactly how I feel about it. The way you get ahead is by convincing people that you are right. We all need to be educators about the greatness of the USA, the justness of our cause, the great values that Western Civilization shares with us. This is where we need to be fighting. I'm a fighter not a lover, and we need to fight for our great country.

77 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:14:43pm

re: #69 Cognito

As I said. It's easier to be a picador than to make your own statements.

If you need to imagine that I might have said something, rather than citing it outright, then feel free. Because I think you're making it up as you go.

Moving on.

Bull-sh**
I commented that I thought the comments below the LEDE article sounded just like your comments. And they do.

78 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:15:39pm

re: #71 Gang of One

I like her stockings, but that's just my oddity, neh?

NEVER, Never, never....wear stockings with open-toed shoes! Ugh! And if you must break this rule, wear a stocking that matches the color of your legs!

Short girls with ample hips should NEVER wear that type of print, either! It makes her look much larger than she is. What girl wants THAT?

79 Gang of One  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:15:44pm

re: #76 hrhamilton

I agree.

80 Sharmuta  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:15:55pm

re: #73 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Se has a cooking show on the Food Network.

81 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:16:22pm

re: #76 hrhamilton

I'm with YOU.

83 Cognito  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:17:20pm

re: #77 unrealizedviewpoint

Bull-sh**
I commented that I thought the comments below the LEDE article sounded just like your comments. And they do.

Right.

Back to the topic.

84 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:17:34pm

re: #80 Sharmuta

Se has a cooking show on the Food Network.

I just browse fooddownunder until I find one of the 200K plus that tantalizes me...

85 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:19:04pm

re: #80 Sharmuta

Se has a cooking show on the Food Network.

She has three (used to be four!) shows on the Food Network. Oprah Winfrey liked her so much, she gave her a talk show, too. She shills for crackers, olive oil (EVOO....Phuleeze!), donuts, and anything else that will bring in a buck.

She's Beatrice!

/old ad campaign....anyone else remember?

86 hrhamilton  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:19:56pm

#79 gang of one

Does that mean we are a gang of two now?

Or three with #81 nevergiveup?

87 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:20:00pm
88 jaunte  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:20:31pm

The other side of the debate appears to think that wearing the keffiyeh as a fashion is wrong because it isn't political enough.
Design students talking about Keffiyehs: is wearing them insulting and irreverent because the wearers don't understand them as a show of Arab solidarity?

"I have taken to asking people wearing the keffiyeh whether or not they support Palestinian independence. The look of confusion in 90% of peoples' faces is priceless. It has come to be one of my favorite pastimes when I go out in Manhattan!

I have my keffiyeh, brought back from Germany, which I have had since the 1980's, proudly wore through the first intifada, and now must leave in my closet because apolitical rich white hipster f*ks have appropriated a charged symbol of political struggle. I have to satisfy myself with my "Free Palestine Now" button." --Jacqueline Schoeffel


[Link: mfad.typepad.com...]

89 Sharmuta  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:20:39pm

re: #85 Grammy Cracker

Then she's living the American dream. Just hope she ditches the terror sympathizing accessories.

90 Gang of One  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:20:41pm

re: #78 Grammy Cracker

OK, not being a female, I don't know all the rules about hose and shoes, but I thought there is a type of hose, 'sandal foot' or something, for that choice. If anything, it looks like they are not a sheer weight hose, or maybe the angle of the light makes them look like high-compression, varicose-vein stockings. I guess it's a girl fashion thing?

91 tripletdad  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:20:51pm

None of the stories about this show Arafish or other notable "freedom fighters" of that region wearing their "scarves". Why is that? They don't want us all to come to the same conclusion?

92 WrathofG-d  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:21:01pm

Kiffeyeh shoes too?
(what do arafat, sting, and colin farrel have in common?)

93 MellyMel  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:21:27pm

re: #62 Nevergiveup

The Kiffiyeh being used is the problem....not the person that wore it.
Unless the person wearing it is doing it to make a political point. I don't think Rachael Ray was doing that. On the other hand being uneducated and uninformed is not way to go through life!

I agree. However, do we -- or better yet -- should we, give a pass to every idiotic celebrity who espouses ridiculous ideals just because they should know better? Unfortunately, they are what the world sees of America.

94 Bacchus's daddy  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:21:48pm

Better hypothetical than my previous ham-handed analogy:

If Rachael Ray had worn an IDF t-shirt, and DD was not only boycotted (by CAIR), but threatened with violence (by CAIR-funded groups), would these NYT bloggers be calling the Islamists "loony", "unreasonable", etc. - or would they be calling DD "insensitive".

95 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:21:56pm

re: #82 WrathofG-d

who on the other thread said that Swastikas would never become fashionable in our lifetime?

Dear Lord! That get-up is fugly enough without the nasty nazi symbol! What is WRONG with these people?

96 hrhamilton  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:22:00pm

#87 bob

Here is where I get in trouble. I said she was cute as a bug in a rug.

97 Gang of One  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:22:32pm

re: #86 hrhamilton

#79 gang of one

Does that mean we are a gang of two now?

Or three with #81 nevergiveup?

We get one more, we can run the Peoples Republic of China!

/Mouse E. Dung

98 Sharmuta  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:22:36pm

re: #92 WrathofG-d

Kiffeyeh shoes too?
(what do arafat, sting, and colin farrel have in common?)

Not Sting. Nope- that one's red, so it just can't be!

/cognito

99 sngnsgt  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:22:38pm

re: #92 WrathofG-d

Kiffeyeh shoes too?
(what do arafat, sting, and colin farrel have in common?)

Drop shoes, not bombs!

100 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:23:59pm
101 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:24:25pm

Alright. I just got here.

I have a black and white plaid scarf that looks smashing with my Black Wool Overcoat and Fedora.

Am I not allowed to wear it? I have had it for years. The Arafish thing never occurred to me.

All of your black and white plaid are belong to us? I think not!

RIP Hedley Lamarr.

102 hrhamilton  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:24:36pm

#97

You made me laugh.

103 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:25:07pm

re: #100 buzzsawmonkey

Whatever happened to winslow the composer?

104 average_guy  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:25:40pm

re: #87 Bob in Breckenridge

Rachael Ray...OOPS!

At least I won't be the first one banned....

105 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:25:52pm

re: #88 jaunte

The other side of the debate appears to think that wearing the keffiyeh as a fashion is wrong because it isn't political enough.
Design students talking about Keffiyehs: is wearing them insulting and irreverent because the wearers don't understand them as a show of Arab solidarity?

[Link: mfad.typepad.com...]

What a charming dhimmi...

106 Cognito  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:25:56pm

re: #98 Sharmuta

Not Sting. Nope- that one's red, so it just can't be!

/cognito

From the link:


What has been worn by Arab men in the Middle East for centuries is now fashion industry’s accessory of the season. It’s not nomadic kitsch or a political statement but cutting-edge Middle Eastern grunge, equivalent to what the doc martens represented in the 70s.

The red one is a pan-Arab piece of gear. Not a Palestinian symbol. Sorry.

107 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:25:58pm

re: #28 Gang of One

Once upon a time, you could wear a kaffiyeh, and nobody made an issue of it. Until the LLL started assigning a political identity to it by referring to it as a 'freedom scarf', or some such idiocy, it was just another piece of cloth from the ME. Now it is worn precisely to show solidarity with the splodeys and their murderous ideology. You can thank the liberal left for turning everything into a political statement.

You hit the Nail squarely here Gang.

Soon as they titled it the Freedom Scarf they began displaying their solidarity, by way of fashion, with the terrorists, who want to kill us, and them too.

108 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:26:05pm

re: #104 average_guy

Banned for what?

109 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:26:23pm
110 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:26:30pm

re: #108 Bob in Breckenridge

(nippy slippy)

111 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:26:41pm

re: #90 Gang of One

OK, not being a female, I don't know all the rules about hose and shoes, but I thought there is a type of hose, 'sandal foot' or something, for that choice. If anything, it looks like they are not a sheer weight hose, or maybe the angle of the light makes them look like high-compression, varicose-vein stockings. I guess it's a girl fashion thing?

Yeah. Stocking makers do market 'sandal foot' hose, and many women wear them. The key is to match your own skin tone, so it LOOKS LIKE you aren't wearing hose.

That picture does make her hose look more like tights (opaque rather than sheer). Actually, a nice pair of tights with a simple boot would have been much better with that dress, IMHO.

112 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:26:46pm

re: #109 buzzsawmonkey

T/Y.

113 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:26:58pm
114 average_guy  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:27:26pm

re: #108 Bob in Breckenridge

Banned for what?


I'm being flippant...upthread I made a couple of smart a** remarks and then said "don't ban me bro!"....

I guess if no one gets the joke its not a joke right?

115 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:28:26pm

re: #110 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh c'mon. Compared to some of the NSFW stuff that gets posted?

116 StinkHammer  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:28:37pm

re: #96 hrhamilton

#87 bob

Here is where I get in trouble. I said she was cute as a bug in a rug.

Here ya go.

/I accept checks and PayPal.

117 jaunte  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:29:11pm

re: #105 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I misattributed that quote above, it was actually a statement made by "dadanarchist."

118 IslandLibertarian  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:29:42pm

Looking up from my work, I ask "Who is Rachel Ray?.........Wait, don't tell me. I don't care."
NOkeffiyehs!
NObama!

119 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:29:45pm

re: #115 Bob in Breckenridge

Oh c'mon. Compared to some of the NSFW stuff that gets posted?

Not saying should be banned. You asked why he thought he might be, I answered why I think he thinks that he might be banned...huh?

120 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:30:15pm

re: #116 StinkHammer

Here ya go.

/I accept checks and PayPal.

Eeeewww. My EYES! Could you please warn the female Lizards about such?

/lol, a little

121 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:30:54pm

re: #119 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Gotcha.

122 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:31:14pm

re: #116 StinkHammer

Here ya go.

/I accept checks and PayPal.

How shallow do you think I am? Do you think just because she is a piece, i am gonna give her a pass? Not me , No way. At least not until the cloths come off.

123 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:31:18pm

Yikes! The puppy just, uh, returned her supper to the living room floor. BBIAB....

124 offendi  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:31:28pm

re: #80 Sharmuta

Se has a cooking show on the Food Network.

Those shows don't exactly require deep talent and there is always a fresher face du jour. Rachael's "arabic" stylin' controversy won't exactly help her with the kind of image that she needs for brand diversification to maintain her position in the dog-eat-dog world of "entertainment". If her career swoons enough, well, who knows, she may have to go show her "muffins" in Playboy.

125 DesertSage  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:31:34pm

re: #119 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Not saying should be banned. You asked why he thought he might be, I answered why I think he thinks that he might be banned...huh?

If anyone needs to be banned it should be me....DAMMIT!

126 StinkHammer  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:31:45pm

re: #120 Grammy Cracker

Eeeewww. My EYES! Could you please warn the female Lizards about such?

Apologies to the fairer . . . uh . . . Lizardettes.

127 average_guy  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:31:54pm

re: #115 Bob in Breckenridge

Oh c'mon. Compared to some of the NSFW stuff that gets posted?

K, Bob...here's a better joke then I gotta go and get something done...

A husband and wife were scheduled to attend a Halloween party. The wife got a terrible headache and told her husband to go to the Halloween party alone. He, being a devoted husband, protested, but she argued and said she was going to take some aspirin and go to bed and there was no need for his good time to be spoiled by her not going. So he took his costume and away he went.
The wife, after sleeping soundly for about an hour, woke without pain, and as it was still early, decided to go to the party. As her husband didn't know what her costume was, she thought she would have some fun by watching her husband to see how he acted when she was not with him. So she joined the party and soon spotted her husband in his costume, cavorting around on the dance floor, dancing with every nice "chick" he could and copping a little feel here and a little kiss there.
His wife went up to him and being a rather seductive babe herself, he left his new partner high and dry and devoted his time to her. She let him go as far as he wished, naturally, since he
was her husband. After more drinks he finally whispered a little proposition in her ear and she agreed, so off they went to one of the cars and had passionate intercourse in the back seat. Just before unmasking at midnight, she slipped away and went home and put the costume away and got into bed, wondering what kind of explanation he would make up for his outrageous behavior. She was sitting up reading when he came in, so she asked what kind of time he had.
"Oh, the same old thing. You know I never have a good time when you're not there." Then she asked, "Did you dance much?" He replied, I'll tell you; I never even danced one dance. When I got there, I met Pete, Bill Brown and some other guy, so we went into the spare room and played poker all evening. "You must have looked really silly wearing that costume playing poker all night!" she said with unashamed sarcasm. To which the husband replied, actually, I gave my costume to your brother, Apparently he had the time of his life".

129 Ciannaky  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:32:50pm

Surprised ya’ll aren’t getting your panties in a twist over the 2009 Mercedes GLK commercial in which one of their actresses is wearing the exact same scarf as Rachael Ray in the Dunkin Donuts commercial. OMG Mercedes supports the Pali Jihad! Seriously Charles, I have the utmost respect for you and Malkin but you both jumped the shark over this idiocy.

- Ciannaky


130 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:32:55pm

A month or so ago, Ashton Kutcher was hosting SNL and wore a scarf. Was accused of an Arafish scarf. It was nothing of the kind. I thought it was kind of cool (but I'm not an AT fan).

Don't get me wrong; the Arafish scarfs tick me off.

But, sometimes a scarf is just a scarf. IMHO.

131 moonstone  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:33:35pm

Am I the only one who would love to find out the name of Rachael's "stylist"? If this person wasn't making a political statement, she needs to find a new profession. Esthetically, the scarf actually detracted from the image (IMHO).

132 doriangrey  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:34:06pm

re: #6 Charles

Notice I spelled her name right. I owe her that much.

Charles, Charles, Charles.... It has absolutely nothing to do with Rachael Ray or her supposed rabid fans, and everything to do with "liberal/socialist imbeciles studying to be morons and falling miserably" finding a common cause to disgorge the bile of their innermost hearts upon the objects of their contempt.

You sir have dared to violate one of their sacred bovine articles of faith, and for that there is simply no desecration of your personage that is unacceptable or uncalled for.

Yea verily I say unto you, only hells very lake of fire holds more torment unto the individual that dares cast aside the curtain behind which Oscar Zoroaster Phadrig Isaac Norman Henkel Emmannuel Ambroise Diggs manipulates the fortunes beliefs and emotions of the Dorthy Gales of the world.

133 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:34:12pm

re: #127 average_guy

LOL!

134 Midwestprof  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:34:25pm

I never even heard of Rachael Ray until this controversy popped up a few days ago. Now I see her all over the place--on TV, on the cover of some Opra-like magazine. Ignorance was bliss. Can she cook?

135 StinkHammer  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:34:27pm

re: #124 offendi

If her career swoons enough, well, who knows, she may have to go show her "muffins" in Playboy.

Well, she hasn't been too far from it already. (See my #116.)

136 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:34:34pm

re: #111 Grammy Cracker

Yeah. Stocking makers do market 'sandal foot' hose, and many women wear them. The key is to match your own skin tone, so it LOOKS LIKE you aren't wearing hose.

That picture does make her hose look more like tights (opaque rather than sheer). Actually, a nice pair of tights with a simple boot would have been much better with that dress, IMHO.

A simple kombat boot, perhaps.

137 hermeneutics  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:34:39pm

Jeez ... I had never heard of her until a couple of days ago when this controversy began. I had to do a google search to confirm that I'd never seen her.

She's ordinary.

138 extrabob  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:34:48pm

#14 charles
"All publicity is good publicity, as long as they spell your name right."
-- often attributed to P. T. Barnum

I always thought that Humphrey Bogart coined that phrase.

139 ted  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:35:07pm

RR was well hated and ridiculed way before this:

[Link: community.livejournal.com...]

140 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:35:20pm

re: #113 buzzsawmonkey

Kuffars in keffiyehs
Casually claim
They aren't promoting terrorists
In high fashion's name.

Not a one of these kuffars, who wear this keffiyeh, know what a kuffar or keffiyeh be.

141 Intrepid  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:35:26pm

What concerns me more than keffiyeh-wearing celebs (the non-black/white ones, of course) is the statements made by our own Speaker of the House:

"Well, the purpose of the surge was to provide a secure space, a time for the political change to occur to accomplish the reconciliation. That didn’t happen. Whatever the military success, and progress that may have been made, the surge didn’t accomplish its goal. And some of the success of the surge is that the goodwill of the Iranians-they decided in Basra when the fighting would end, they negotiated that cessation of hostilities-the Iranians."

This is way more overtly supportive of terrorism than Rachael Ray's head scarf, and much more dangerous.

I reckon Ms Pelosi truly believes that the Iranians showed this "good will", yet they're the ones who shipped weapons and explosives to the insurgents. Pesky little details, Nancy.

142 Cognito  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:35:33pm

re: #128 Alouette

The red and white kaffiyeh is the Hashemite tribal colors.

Saudi royalty wear plain white.

Sometimes Saudis wear red, too; and sometimes Kuwaitis wear white. The red is a traditional bedouin thing, and they carried it across a number of Arab countries.

143 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:36:03pm

re: #134 Midwestprof

I never even heard of Rachael Ray until this controversy popped up a few days ago. Now I see her all over the place--on TV, on the cover of some Opra-like magazine. Ignorance was bliss. Can she cook?

/Dinner in the kitchen and dessert of the bedroom! : )

144 ted  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:36:11pm

re: #134 Midwestprof

I never even heard of Rachael Ray until this controversy popped up a few days ago. Now I see her all over the place--on TV, on the cover of some Opra-like magazine. Ignorance was bliss. Can she cook?

She can't.
And she is very annoying.

145 godfrey  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:36:11pm

re: #134 Midwestprof

She can "cook," but more importantly, young housewives, like, connect with her. You know?

146 mikeinmd  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:36:13pm

re: #134 Midwestprof

I never even heard of Rachael Ray until this controversy popped up a few days ago. Now I see her all over the place--on TV, on the cover of some Opra-like magazine. Ignorance was bliss. Can she cook?

My wife has one of her cookbooks. It keeps my TV stand quite level.

147 Charles  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:36:39pm

National Palestinian Radio mocks the kaffiyeh kontroversy: Dunkin' Donuts Scraps Ad over Scarf Criticism : NPR.

This issue must have gone out on one of the left wing action listservers.

148 StinkHammer  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:37:36pm

re: #139 ted

RR was well hated and ridiculed way before this:

[Link: community.livejournal.com...]

Hah! The first post title says it all: "Damn B*tch is Everywhere"!

149 seekeroftruth  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:37:44pm

Charles posted a thread about Netherland Merchant putting a kaffiyeh on Anne Frank back in Jan. The kaffiyeh was red & white:
[Link: www.littlegreenfootballs.com...]

150 doriangrey  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:38:39pm

re: #145 godfrey

She can "cook," but more importantly, young housewives, like, connect with her. You know?

More importantly.... She likes to tease with an almost flash of her boobies quite often..... Which of course trumps whether or not she can cook.....

151 seekeroftruth  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:39:18pm

re: #131 moonstone

I thought the same thing - the scarf overwhelming her dress and made the coffee cup - the thing they were selling - hard to see.

152 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:39:40pm

OMG! Speaking of celebs...Clay Aiken is going to be a father.

I didn't see that coming.

Harvey Korman died. I'm kinda bummed about that.

153 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:39:50pm

re: #134 Midwestprof

She does 2 shows on FoodTV- 30 minute meals and $40 a day, where she visits various cities and has $40 to buy breakfast, lunch, and dinner. She's cute, not pretty, and she is a lush, so I like that about her.

154 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:39:56pm

re: #150 doriangrey

More importantly.... She likes to tease with an almost flash of her boobies quite often..... Which of course trumps whether or not she can cook.....

But who is her audience? I don't watch her and I doubt my wife would care about a peek at her boobs?

155 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:39:56pm

re: #141 Intrepid

What concerns me more than keffiyeh-wearing celebs (the non-black/white ones, of course) is the statements made by our own Speaker of the House:

"Well, the purpose of the surge was to provide a secure space, a time for the political change to occur to accomplish the reconciliation. That didn’t happen. Whatever the military success, and progress that may have been made, the surge didn’t accomplish its goal. And some of the success of the surge is that the goodwill of the Iranians-they decided in Basra when the fighting would end, they negotiated that cessation of hostilities-the Iranians."

This is way more overtly supportive of terrorism than Rachael Ray's head scarf, and much more dangerous.

I reckon Ms Pelosi truly believes that the Iranians showed this "good will", yet they're the ones who shipped weapons and explosives to the insurgents. Pesky little details, Nancy.

She's gonna get an up close and personal look at the concept of cessation of hostilities in Denver.

She makes my stomach turn just looking at her.

156 WrathofG-d  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:40:03pm
157 gop_patriot  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:40:07pm

re: #129 Ciannaky

Are you comparing the :02 seconds of an unknown makeup artist at :15 in that clip, with an ad for a huge corporation featuring a wildly popular FoodTV and talk show host?

And yes, that is offensive also. It's the sneaking it in here and there that's the problem. Not as important as who's wearing it, is the fact that they're trying to slip it in to the mainstream, until it's true meaning is dulled.

158 offendi  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:40:17pm

I actually have a black and white one, but because of you people my hopes of a complimentary cup of Dunkin' Donuts has now been cruelly crushed.

Thanks a lot.

159 hrhamilton  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:40:35pm

Nancy Pelosi is out of her league. She has been such a tool of the Islamists. If she were to change places with the President of the US, every enemy we have would be all over us.

On the other hand, if she were to change places with Rachel Ray, I would never eat again.

160 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:41:05pm

re: #148 StinkHammer

Hah! The first post title says it all: "Damn B*tch is Everywhere"!

She's on 3 of my boxes of Wheat Thins. Well, her pic is, not her.

161 StinkHammer  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:41:14pm

re: #150 doriangrey

She likes to tease with an almost flash of her boobies quite often..... Which of course trumps whether or not she can cook.....

...And she's always got her damn yap going -- like a chipmonk on steroids. So that tends to cancel out the almost-boobage quite sufficiently also.

162 jaunte  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:41:26pm

re: #147 Charles

It looks like diverting attention away from the political symbolism
of the keffiyeh, to talk about donuts is the approved spin direction.
Donuts are funny.
Buses filled with civilians exploding, not so funny.

163 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:41:27pm

re: #156 WrathofG-d

The Mainstreaming of a Symbol of Murder.
(and before we get there; What Palestine Online Store has to say about the Kiffiyeh)

That about covers it!

164 Sharmuta  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:41:32pm

re: #156 WrathofG-d

From your first link:

In Palestine, the red colored kuffiyas normally represent the socialist factions, whereas in other Arab countries they have different symbolisms.

Huh.

165 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:41:35pm
166 doriangrey  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:41:58pm

re: #154 Nevergiveup

But who is her audience? I don't watch her and I doubt my wife would care about a peek at her boobs?

Cough...cough... Hmmm, cough... I'm sure...Cough...that I wouldnt...cough know..... Blushes..................................

167 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:42:07pm

re: #157 gop_patriot

Are you comparing the :02 seconds of an unknown makeup artist at :15 in that clip, with an ad for a huge corporation featuring a wildly popular FoodTV and talk show host?

And yes, that is offensive also. It's the sneaking it in here and there that's the problem. Not as important as who's wearing it, is the fact that they're trying to slip it in to the mainstream, until it's true meaning is dulled.

I think of it as "slipstreaming radicalism".

168 extrabob  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:42:51pm

#152 Fat Bastart Veggie
"OMG! Speaking of celebs...Clay Aiken is going to be a father."

I guess if Rosie O can be a mother, Clay Aiken can be a father.

169 offendi  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:42:59pm

re: #150 doriangrey

More importantly.... She likes to tease with an almost flash of her boobies quite often..... Which of course trumps whether or not she can cook.....

If one watches cooking shows on that premise, I would think Nigella Lawson is a bit "healthier". Just a casual observation, mind you.

170 doriangrey  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:42:59pm

re: #161 StinkHammer

...And she's always got her damn yap going -- like a chipmonk on steroids. So that tends to cancel out the almost-boobage quite sufficiently also.

Cough....remote control with mute button is your friend..... :)

171 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:43:27pm

re: #166 doriangrey

Cough...cough... Hmmm, cough... I'm sure...Cough...that I wouldnt...cough know..... Blushes................................. .

I never watched her because I never knew she existed; HOWEVER, I should watch to make sure she behaves herself I guess.

172 hermeneutics  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:43:28pm

re: #156 WrathofG-d

The first site -- the Palestinian online store -- excellently proves Charles' point that the silly scarf symbolizes Palestinian resistance terrorism.

173 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:43:35pm

BTW, if you haven't seen Sandra Lee on FoodTV, check her out. Her show is "Semi Homemade" She's also a lush, and she is smokin' hot for a babe in her 40's!

174 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:44:13pm

re: #168 extrabob

#152 Fat Bastart Veggie
"OMG! Speaking of celebs...Clay Aiken is going to be a father."

I guess if Rosie O can be a mother, Clay Aiken can be a father.

Well as I understand it is a turkey baster insemination.

175 VegasRick  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:44:28pm

re: #165 buzzsawmonkey

Must...refrain...from...obvious...raunch y...humor.

Wow! That gay marriage thing really is working out!
/

176 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:44:40pm

re: #165 buzzsawmonkey

Must...refrain...from...obvious...raunch y...humor.

Who's the father?

177 Ciannaky  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:44:55pm

re: #157 gop_patriot

No I'm comparing two paisley scarfs that are popular in every major city and are not kaffiyehs and pointing to the idiocy of this controversy. Face it conservatives are starting to mimic the level of hysteria usually shown by our friends on the left over an innocuous fashion choice.

178 WrathofG-d  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:44:55pm

re: #172 hermeneutics

Everyone but the usefull idiots knows this.

Its like what happens when you actually ask an Arab in private what he means by "end the occupation"

179 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:44:59pm

re: #156 WrathofG-d

The Mainstreaming of a Symbol of Murder.
(and before we get there; What Palestine Online Store has to say about the Kiffiyeh)

This really does answer all the question with regard for the left. Here is a seller of keffiyahs explaining it quite clearly.

180 doriangrey  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:45:01pm

re: #169 offendi

If one watches cooking shows on that premise, I would think Nigella Lawson is a bit "healthier". Just a casual observation, mind you.

Not that I am admitting anything, er like already knowing how to cook or anything... But...................................I have watched a couple of.... gak chortle cough Uggggggggggg...........

181 WrathofG-d  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:45:35pm

re: #179 unrealizedviewpoint

see 178.

182 ted  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:45:37pm

In fact, when the story broke, LGF was linked:

[Link: community.livejournal.com...]

183 RememberSekhmet?  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:46:11pm

Hey, I was among the first to notice and post the screencap!

184 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:46:12pm

re: #150 doriangrey

More importantly.... She likes to tease with an almost flash of her boobies quite often..... Which of course trumps whether or not she can cook.....

see my #87, dude...

185 pegcity  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:46:35pm

this is everywhere, who woulda thunk this little blog could create such a stir

186 doriangrey  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:46:56pm

re: #165 buzzsawmonkey

Must...refrain...from...obvious...raunch y...humor.

Hmmm, since were talking about food here... well sort of...shouldn't that be ranch dressing humor?

187 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:47:29pm

re: #177 Ciannaky

No I'm comparing two paisley scarfs that are popular in every major city and are not kaffiyehs and pointing to the idiocy of this controversy. Face it conservatives are starting to mimic the level of hysteria usually shown by our friends on the left over an innocuous fashion choice.

Since you obviously don't have a clue, I guess I don't need to respond to you any more. So be it, three comment poster.

188 Sharmuta  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:47:39pm

re: #147 Charles

Nice touch with the rainbow sprinkle gay joke. Of course- if a conservative had made that "joke", there would be a whole new donut controversy in the works.

189 jaunte  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:48:11pm

re: #177 Ciannaky

How do you know it's a "paisley" scarf?

190 doriangrey  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:48:19pm

re: #184 Bob in Breckenridge

see my #87, dude...

Ahem.... as I was saying... it aint her cooking that gets her watched........

191 VegasRick  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:49:13pm

re: #177 Ciannaky

No I'm comparing two paisley scarfs that are popular in every major city and are not kaffiyehs and pointing to the idiocy of this controversy. Face it conservatives are starting to mimic the level of hysteria usually shown by our friends on the left over an innocuous fashion choice.

I disagree. They know what they are doing. It is cool to them.

192 pingjockey  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:49:27pm

If I watch a cooking show it's Emeril. Rachel Ray, Martha et al annoy me to no end.

193 hermeneutics  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:49:45pm

re: #178 WrathofG-d

Wrath, I have to admit I didn't know that scarf symbolized Palestianian terrorism until I started to connect the dots -- the last two threads helped.

My hunch is that many kids -- and adults -- simply jump on the fashion bandwagon without knowing the meaning behind some of the accessories. Think of all the kids who wear "urban" clothes which symbolize gangs, drugs and more.

194 doriangrey  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:49:59pm

re: #187 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Since you obviously don't have a clue, I guess I don't need to respond to you any more. So be it, three comment poster.

Yum yum, a tasty serving of Gamey troll buttocks..................

195 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:50:16pm

re: #192 pingjockey

If I watch a cooking show it's Emeril. Rachel Ray, Martha et al annoy me to no end.

Sandra Lee, ping, Sandra Lee! WOW!

196 IslandLibertarian  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:50:51pm

re: #177 Ciannaky

No I'm comparing two paisley scarfs that are popular in every major city and are not kaffiyehs and pointing to the idiocy of this controversy. Face it conservatives are starting to mimic the level of hysteria usually shown by our friends on the left over an innocuous fashion choice.

Hey, yeah, there's a real cool good luck symbol I could incorporate into "Hip-Fashion". It's called a Swastika.
mmmm...maybe not.....

197 pingjockey  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:51:24pm

re: #177 Ciannaky
That scarf ain't paisley. Some dumbass marketing fool thought it could pull a fast one. That damn scarf represents one thing now, just like the swastika. It may have been benign at one time, no more.

198 doriangrey  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:51:53pm

re: #195 Bob in Breckenridge

Sandra Lee, ping, Sandra Lee! WOW!

Cough...blush...cough... never heard of her or...cough...her...cough...cooking show........... ;0

199 offendi  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:51:55pm

re: #180 doriangrey

Not that I am admitting anything, er like already knowing how to cook or anything... But...................................I have watched a couple of.... gak chortle cough Uggggggggggg...........

You are absolved. Didn't Jimmy Carter say it was o.k. to "lust in your heart" ... just for the food on TV here, of course.

200 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:52:07pm

re: #193 hermeneutics

Wrath, I have to admit I didn't know that scarf symbolized Palestianian terrorism until I started to connect the dots -- the last two threads helped.

My hunch is that many kids -- and adults -- simply jump on the fashion bandwagon without knowing the meaning behind some of the accessories. Think of all the kids who wear "urban" clothes which symbolize gangs, drugs and more.

There's really not an excuse for being ignorant about global subjigation movements, or not knowing the code of fashion of the extreme left.

201 solergic  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:52:18pm

I agree with people about the Swastika and the Kaffiyeh. Both had harmless meanings and now symbolize something quite different. So, would people be the same thing is Ray wore a swastika?

202 pingjockey  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:52:42pm

re: #195 Bob in Breckenridge

Don't know that one. Don't watch a lot of tv any more, 12 hour days will do that to you. Hell I'm 3 weeks behind on BSG!

203 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:53:03pm
204 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:53:24pm

"subjugation".

PYTBMF

205 doriangrey  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:53:37pm

re: #199 offendi

You are absolved. Didn't Jimmy Carter say it was o.k. to "lust in your heart" ... just for the food on TV here, of course.

Hey.............................I'm single damned it, never married.................That aint lust...................It's ummmmm, comparison shopping damn it........

206 extrabob  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:53:45pm

#192 pingjockey
"If I watch a cooking show it's Emeril. Rachel Ray, Martha et al annoy me to no end."

Oh, come on. Emeril is even more annoying than Rachael Ray. But I would like him to cook for me.

207 Alouette  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:53:59pm

re: #142 Cognito

Sometimes Saudis wear red, too; and sometimes Kuwaitis wear white. The red is a traditional bedouin thing, and they carried it across a number of Arab countries.

Red and white, black and white, and plain white are the traditional tribal colors. The black tube around the head also has various tribal symbolism.

It's an Arab thing, non-Arabs do not traditionally wear them.

208 DesertSage  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:54:26pm

Harvey Korman dies 4 months after aneurysm

That's Hedly....Hedly Lammar!

209 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:54:28pm

re: #204 really grumpy big dog Johnson

"subjugation".

PYTBMF

I'm gonna have to quit posting if I can't do better...

PUTBMY (preview used to be my friend)

210 pingjockey  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:54:36pm

re: #205 doriangrey
Hehehe! Have to squeeze the melons to find a ripe one.

211 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:54:45pm

re: #199 offendi

You are absolved. Didn't Jimmy Carter say it was o.k. to "lust in your heart" ... just for the food on TV here, of course.

Well I know what I lust for and I can guess what you might lust for, but for th e life of me I can't fathom what Jimmah might lust for?

212 offendi  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:55:00pm

re: #168 extrabob

#152 Fat Bastart Veggie
"OMG! Speaking of celebs...Clay Aiken is going to be a father."

I guess if Rosie O can be a mother, Clay Aiken can be a father.

My favorite episode of South Park was the "Tom Cruise in the Closet" one.

213 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:55:01pm

re: #159 hrhamilton

Nancy Pelosi is out of her league. She has been such a tool of the Islamists. If she were to change places with the President of the US, every enemy we have would be all over us.

On the other hand, if she were to change places with Rachel Ray, I would never eat again.

Oops, she did it agan:

Pelosi Credits Iran’s “Goodwill” for Surge Success

In an interview yesterday with the San Francisco Chronicle, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi claimed the U.S. troop surge failed to accomplish its goal. She then partially credited the success of the troop surge to “the goodwill of the Iranians,” claiming that they were responsible for ending violence in the southern city of Basra.

Asked if she saw any evidence of the surge’s positive impact on her May 17 trip to Iraq she responded:

Well, the purpose of the surge was to provide a secure space, a time for the political change to occur to accomplish the reconciliation. That didn’t happen. Whatever the military success, and progress that may have been made, the surge didn’t accomplish its goal. And some of the success of the surge is that the goodwill of the Iranians-they decided in Basra when the fighting would end, they negotiated that cessation of hostilities-the Iranians.

/this is what we get for staying home in 2006

214 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:55:21pm

This Ciannaky may not be the troll were lookin' for. Here's his/her youtube page:
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
with a few Islam vids saved, but rates them very low.
Not a fan of Islam it appears.

215 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:55:30pm

re: #173 Bob in Breckenridge

BTW, if you haven't seen Sandra Lee on FoodTV, check her out. Her show is "Semi Homemade" She's also a lush, and she is smokin' hot for a babe in her 40's!

That would be the only reason to watch her show! She IS very pretty. That's undeniable. But the garbage she calls food scares the crap outta me!

/Cool Whip, repeat after me, IS NOT A FOOD! It is a chemical cocktail / experiment gone horribly awry!

216 pingjockey  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:55:35pm

re: #206 extrabob
First time I watched Emeril he was making tailgate goodies and I watch him if I surf by and see him on.

217 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:55:35pm

re: #203 savage_nation

SAVAGE!

218 Bacchus's daddy  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:55:49pm

Let's just imagine that IDF T-shirts were the burgeoning fashion choice rather than the keffiya, the boycotts, seething, and yes, probably violence, would make this so-called keffiya "hysteria", seem, well, somehow not exactly hysteria...

219 The Other Les  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:56:14pm

re: #14 Charles

"All publicity is good publicity, as long as they spell your name right."

-- often attributed to P. T. Barnum

And we all know what else Mr. Barnum said. He just underestimated the quantity.

220 ted  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:56:23pm

Rays hubby has a questionable past:

John Cusimano likes the spit
November 16th, 2006


The Food Network’s Rachael Ray’s husband John Cusimano loves to be spit on and have dirty feet rubbed all over him. These are the claims Jeannine Walz makes in The National Enquirer. According to Jeannine, she and John carried on a five year affair where she was paid $500 a session to spit on him.

“We’d often have sessions at least twice a month ... I virtually supported myself by spitting on him. But there was never any normal sex involved. He once offered to pay me $1,200 to perform a kinky sex act with him, but I refused.”

Reps for Rachael and John have laughed off the story. John should have just bought himself a llama. It might have been cheaper and made for a better story. He might have to watch out for Rachael though. I don’t think she’s ever eaten a llama. Monkey brains, snakes and penis maybe, but llama? No.

[Link: theblemish.com...]

221 mikeinmd  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:56:30pm

I wonder how many of these people bitching with the "it's only a scarf" line would actually point out a country on a blank map if you asked them to show you where Palestine is.

222 offendi  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:56:30pm

re: #211 Nevergiveup

Well I know what I lust for and I can guess what you might lust for, but for th e life of me I can't fathom what Jimmah might lust for?

To be President of Palestine of course.

223 Syrah  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:56:41pm

re: #201 solergic

I agree with people about the Swastika and the Kaffiyeh. Both had harmless meanings and now symbolize something quite different. So, would people be the same thing is Ray wore a swastika?

Hell, we are about as tolerant of the Odin's Cross as we are of the Kaffiyeh.

224 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:57:20pm
225 The Other Les  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:57:44pm

re: #218 Bacchus's daddy

Let's just imagine that IDF T-shirts were the burgeoning fashion choice rather than the keffiya, the boycotts, seething, and yes, probably violence, would make this so-called keffiya "hysteria", seem, well, somehow not exactly hysteria...

Are you suggesting that If I wore an IDF tee-shirt on a collage campus I should expect an adverse reaction?

226 jaunte  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:58:35pm

re: #177 Ciannaky

No I'm comparing two paisley scarfs that are popular in every major city and are not kaffiyehs and pointing to the idiocy of this controversy. Face it conservatives are starting to mimic the level of hysteria usually shown by our friends on the left over an innocuous fashion choice.

Are you still here? Have you found a picture of the "paisley scarf" yet?
The kaffiyeh in question may be an ignorant fashion choice, but it's not innocuous.

227 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:58:46pm

re: #224 savage_nation

Nutin' really just...

Clinton backers to protest outside rules meeting

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]


Where you at on this beautiful evening?

228 pingjockey  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:59:22pm

re: #225 The Other Les
More than likely. The IDF and the US military are the font of all the problems in the world. Being orchestrated by George Bush and the Joooz.

229 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:59:43pm
230 Bacchus's daddy  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:59:49pm

re: #225 The Other Les

Are you suggesting that If I wore an IDF tee-shirt on a collage campus I should expect an adverse reaction?


I wouldn't try it at UC-Irvine (which is not to suggest that it would make you popular at many other campuses).

231 Ciannaky  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:59:50pm

re: #189 jaunte

re: #214 unrealizedviewpoint
re: #214 unrealizedviewpoint

I'm with ya'll on most things just don't agree with this one, I'm a diehard Zionist and not a fan of RR and yeah I'm new to LGF; sorry I don't tow the party line on stupid fashion goofs.

232 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 29, 2008 6:59:57pm

re: #220 ted

Why did you make me read that?

233 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:00:18pm

The Spurs are playin' angry tonight. Bout time.

234 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:00:19pm

re: #221 mikeinmd

I wonder how many of these people bitching with the "it's only a scarf" line would actually point out a country on a blank map if you asked them to show you where Palestine is.

Well they might. If you remember that dirt road goat fucker Arafat always folded his in such a way that it appeared to outline the Palestine of his dreams--meaning without a State of Israel.

235 gop_patriot  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:00:22pm

re: #177 Ciannaky

No I'm comparing two paisley scarfs that are popular in every major city and are not kaffiyehs and pointing to the idiocy of this controversy. Face it conservatives are starting to mimic the level of hysteria usually shown by our friends on the left over an innocuous fashion choice.

"popular in every major city". Hmm. Well, I think if you check to see with whom it is popular, you'll see that it's not hysteria.

And there is NOTHING innocuous about it, it is absolutely intentional. Very few people wearing this are ignorant of the history of this "fashion choice". Wearing a "paisley" black and white scarf with fringe that looks from more than 10" away exactly like a Kaffiyeh is not an accident.

236 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:00:33pm

Okay, all you rank amateurs!

This woman is drop-dead beautiful AND she can REALLY cook! Her name is Giada DeLaurentis (granddaughter of film director Dino), and she has two shows on the Food Network.

Oh, yeah....she does a little cheesecake, too!

237 sngnsgt  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:00:56pm
Who knew there were so many rabid Rachael Ray fans out there?

Yummo!

238 IslandLibertarian  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:01:11pm

re: #225 The Other Les

Are you suggesting that If I wore an IDF tee-shirt on a collage campus I should expect an adverse reaction?

Packing tonight for a trip to Indonesia.
I won't be taking my IDF tee-shirt.

239 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:01:22pm

re: #229 savage_nation

Good. You need to be home now and then.

Good. Rain is important to the little plants n things.

Good. We've been talkin' about kitchens for a while.

240 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:01:25pm

re: #231 Ciannaky

re: #214 unrealizedviewpoint
re: #214 unrealizedviewpoint

I'm with ya'll on most things just don't agree with this one, I'm a diehard Zionist and not a fan of RR and yeah I'm new to LGF; sorry I don't tow the party line on stupid fashion goofs.

Welcome, spend some time, and see.

241 pat  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:01:28pm

Like many of the cooking channel's chefs , she has a compelling story. Cook show on local PBS station. Paid for by herself. No training but a love for cooking. 2 years of perseverance, then a small break to a sponsored show. More years. Then trials and interviews for the Food Channel. She is doing an Ad folks. She is being dressed by a Madison Avenue firm. She likely has no idea of the symbolism and is likely disturbed by it.

242 onslow  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:01:29pm
243 jaunte  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:01:32pm

re: #231 Ciannaky

It's analogous to the Che t-shirt. Are you indifferent to those?

244 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:02:05pm

re: #225 The Other Les

Are you suggesting that If I wore an IDF tee-shirt on a collage campus I should expect an adverse reaction?

Well, you'd certainly find out firsthand how liberals view freedom of expression as a basic and undeniable right.

/wrong

245 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:02:08pm

re: #236 Grammy Cracker

Hubba.

246 DesertSage  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:02:11pm

re: #233 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The Spurs are playin' angry tonight. Bout time.

The Spurs are going to lose. Sorry, but that's the way it is.

247 snowcrash  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:02:49pm

I like Rachael Ray. She is cute, perky (ugh) and a self made millionaire.
Her food does nothing for me, I much prefer Giada's Everyday Italian.
Sandra Lees food is gross cool whip covered crap I wouldn't serve my friends.

248 offendi  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:02:52pm

re: #205 doriangrey

Hey.............................I'm single damned it, never married.................That aint lust...................It's ummmmm, comparison shopping damn it........

LOL

I have heard the saying that the way to a man's heart is through his stomach. Will leave it to others to make crass commentary accordingly.

249 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:02:53pm

Good evenng everyone!

250 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:02:54pm
251 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:03:11pm
252 Intrepid  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:03:43pm

re: #226 jaunte

Are you still here? Have you found a picture of the "paisley scarf" yet?
The kaffiyeh in question may be an ignorant fashion choice, but it's not innocuous.

Actually I downloaded the RR donut add pic, and (after preparing myself) downloaded a pic of Arafat's keffiyeh. Tried to enlarge them.

They're not the same. RR's scarf/keffiyeh? has patterns on them (can't tell if they're paisley, but one side of the pattern is rounded, with other little rounded doodads) and plenty of white space. Arafat's is all little checks and lines. And the border fringes/tassel thingies are different.

253 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:03:55pm

re: #221 mikeinmd

I wonder how many of these people bitching with the "it's only a scarf" line would actually point out a country on a blank map if you asked them to show you where Palestine is.

The result would be similar to the FedEx commercial where the guy couldn't find China.

254 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:04:08pm

re: #246 DesertSage

I'm sure you are right. They're not gonna take three in a row.

I have come to a difficult realization lately. Kobe Bryant is every bit as good as Michael Jordon. It hurts to say it (long time Celtics fan) but, IMHO, it's true.

255 allbusiness  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:04:11pm

more like, the kaffiyeh's texture looks like like an old, groady oven mitt. maybe we've all confused the two...?

256 Cap'n DOC  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:04:11pm

re: #9 unrealizedviewpoint

There's a couple that have Cognito's metre.

257 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:04:16pm

Hows it goin, Savage?

258 RememberSekhmet?  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:04:22pm

Totally off-topic:

I'll be glad when my paycheck hits and I can pick up more Imitrex.

If you can get through 30 minutes of pure Hell after taking it, the migraine goes away. It's pretty nice.

259 pingjockey  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:04:32pm

re: #241 pat
We aren't blaming her, at least I'm not. Some Madison Avenue jackass thought it would be hip and kewl. Good God, can't anybody from Madison Avenue to the WH do any background checks on anything.

260 ted  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:04:33pm

re: #232 unrealizedviewpoint

Why did you make me read that?

Sorry :

261 offendi  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:05:22pm

re: #220 ted

Wasn't Dick Morris also a "foot" man?

262 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:05:29pm

re: #245 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hubba.

She's the ONLY person who can get Grandpa Cracker to watch the Food Network....LOL

/she's also a new mommy!

263 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:05:36pm
264 mikeinmd  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:05:42pm

re: #234 Nevergiveup

Well they might. If you remember that dirt road goat fucker Arafat always folded his in such a way that it appeared to outline the Palestine of his dreams--meaning without a State of Israel.

I will refrain from any jokes about bent over pages....

NOT.

265 Bacchus's daddy  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:06:26pm

OT (somewhat)- I reconnected with some old high school friends through Facebook recently- yes, I know I'm too old for that shit but I got roped in. To my dismay, I found that all my friends who were totally apolitical 20 years ago, are now lefties ("liberal" or "very liberal")- I'm still a moderate conservative and I have friends who were liberal back then who now vote Republican. But everyone who didn't have a clue or a care back then is a moonbat. I guess if you are too politically obtuse to have a notion or a care about politics until you get to college, you are easy pickins for our lefty campuses.

266 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:06:36pm

re: #262 Grammy Cracker

Yeah. But you still a CRACKA!

267 jaunte  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:06:52pm

re: #252 Intrepid

I wouldn't think that RR's is the same pattern as Arafat's, but the phrase "paisley scarf" appeared to be planted in the media by Dunkin' Donuts.
I don't know if anyone has actually asked the stylist, or seen a high-res image of the scarf. Not that it would change anyone's mind.

268 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:06:59pm
269 DesertSage  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:07:00pm

re: #254 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I hope the Lakers play the Celtics in the Finals, that would be a great series.
The Celtics are my second favorite team.....hey, I live in LA. I'm honor bound to be a Lakers fan :')

270 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:07:07pm
271 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:07:15pm

Home is a nice place to be.. Just got here myself, been busy during and after Memorial day. Been on the road all week.

272 offendi  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:07:27pm

re: #236 Grammy Cracker

Okay, all you rank amateurs!

This woman is drop-dead beautiful AND she can REALLY cook! Her name is Giada DeLaurentis (granddaughter of film director Dino), and she has two shows on the Food Network.

Oh, yeah....she does a little cheesecake, too!

Yes, she is very visually interesting. I mean her food preparation of course.

273 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:07:58pm

re: #261 offendi

Wasn't Dick Morris also a "foot" man?

Out of the gutter.. geez!

274 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:08:00pm
275 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:08:02pm

re: #269 DesertSage

Yep Lakers/Celtics NBA Finals.

That's old school. Sigh.

276 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:08:40pm

re: #266 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yeah. But you still a CRACKA!

Wanna make something of it, Veggie Boy?

/LOL

277 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:09:25pm
278 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:09:46pm

Good evening, Lizards.

279 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:10:00pm
280 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:10:01pm

re: #275 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yep Lakers/Celtics NBA Finals.

That's old school. Sigh.

Oh were have you gone Willis Reed, A depressed Knick fan turns his losing eyes to you!

281 pingjockey  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:10:15pm

re: #268 ploome hineni
That is goddamn ridiculous.

282 DesertSage  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:10:19pm

re: #276 Grammy Cracker

Hi Cracker, how are you this evening?

283 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:10:26pm
284 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:10:35pm

re: #278 goddessoftheclassroom

Goddess. (reverent music plays, he bows and backs away)

285 CatsPaw  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:10:45pm

re: #31 Charles

Rachael Ray is one of O'Reilly's "pinheads" tonight.

I'm probably way behind on this one, but your statement is not quite complete. He named Rachael Ray and Dunkin Donuts for pulling the ad and told the viewers to decide who was the pinhead. He did not explain the controversy so that people would understand what it was about. It looked to me like he was calling the whole kerfuffle (i.e., us'ns) a pinhead.

286 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:11:28pm

re: #278 goddessoftheclassroom

Good evening, Lizards.

Good evening Ms. Goddess!

287 ec marm  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:11:29pm

re: #236 Grammy Cracker
You just beat (Freudian slip?) me to it. I find myself watching that show for some stupid reason. Even while she sounds like she is forcing the Italian pronunciation of words. A babe, for sure.

288 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:11:45pm
289 offendi  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:12:05pm

re: #270 buzzsawmonkey

Okay, so do you think Obama will officiate the marriage of Ellen and Portia if he becomes President? (Assuming Michelle lets him have some powers)? See, no feet or butts involved.

290 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:12:21pm
291 Ciannaky  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:12:23pm

re: #243 jaunte

It's analogous to the Che t-shirt. Are you indifferent to those?

Not a fan, usually laugh at fools wearing them who don't know what a douche he was, especially in the People's Republic of Cambridge. So jaunte, British and US troops wear the damn things, are you going to show the same indignation to them as you would a filthy hippy in a che T or a clueless cooking tart? Didn't think so.

292 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:12:51pm

re: #275 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yep Lakers/Celtics NBA Finals.

That's old school. Sigh.

Naw....this is old school.

293 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:13:28pm

re: #268 ploome hineni

animals

A decadence doll. Just a fashion statement, of course...

/uglee

294 DesertSage  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:13:38pm

re: #292 Grammy Cracker

Naw....this is old school.

Uhhhh.....you must not be very old then, Cracker.

295 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:13:51pm
296 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:14:02pm

ABC News just reported that Clay Aiken's baby was conceived via artificial insemination. The Mom is 50!

297 offendi  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:14:04pm

re: #273 unrealizedviewpoint

feet don't fail me now!

298 CatsPaw  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:14:13pm

Now Greta is picking up the Rachael Ray story "why she is being linked to terrorism"...

299 Intrepid  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:14:17pm

re: #267 jaunte

I wouldn't think that RR's is the same pattern as Arafat's, but the phrase "paisley scarf" appeared to be planted in the media by Dunkin' Donuts.
I don't know if anyone has actually asked the stylist, or seen a high-res image of the scarf. Not that it would change anyone's mind.

I'd like to see for myself, actually. This is a very emotionally charged issue for many folks. Just trying to make my way through it.

300 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:14:35pm

re: #282 DesertSage

Hi Cracker, how are you this evening?

SAGE! I'm good tonight. The puppy has stopped barfing for now, so it's all good..... ;-)

301 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:14:40pm

re: #294 DesertSage

Uhhhh.....you must not be very old then, Cracker.

Ya think?! RIP Dennis Johnson.

302 Neo Con since 9-11  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:15:18pm

re: #285 CatsPaw

Do I detect an odor or is this just coincidence?

303 DesertSage  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:15:34pm

re: #292 Grammy Cracker

This is old school, Grammy.

304 pingjockey  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:15:46pm

re: #294 DesertSage
That ain't old. Jerry West, Wilt, Gail Goodrich, Red Aurebach and co. that's old school.

305 offendi  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:15:51pm

re: #296 Bob in Breckenridge

ABC News just reported that Clay Aiken's baby was conceived via artificial insemination. The Mom is 50!

Michael Jackson finally has some real competition!

306 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:15:51pm

re: #285 CatsPaw

I'm probably way behind on this one, but your statement is not quite complete. He named Rachael Ray and Dunkin Donuts for pulling the ad and told the viewers to decide who was the pinhead. He did not explain the controversy so that people would understand what it was about. It looked to me like he was calling the whole kerfuffle (i.e., us'ns) a pinhead.

Last night he was real busy making excuses for Obama's recent Uncle/WW2 gaffe. He still thinks he's gonna get him onto the Factor. It won't happen unless or until he's down significantly in the polls.

307 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:16:01pm

re: #299 Intrepid

I'd like to see for myself, actually. This is a very emotionally charged issue for many folks. Just trying to make my way through it.

All that matters is how it looked in the original ad photo. No amount of blowups or analysis can change that.

308 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:16:21pm

re: #220 ted

Rays hubby has a questionable past:

John Cusimano likes the spit
November 16th, 2006


The Food Network’s Rachael Ray’s husband John Cusimano loves to be spit on and have dirty feet rubbed all over him. These are the claims Jeannine Walz makes in The National Enquirer. According to Jeannine, she and John carried on a five year affair where she was paid $500 a session to spit on him.

“We’d often have sessions at least twice a month ... I virtually supported myself by spitting on him. But there was never any normal sex involved. He once offered to pay me $1,200 to perform a kinky sex act with him, but I refused.”

Reps for Rachael and John have laughed off the story. John should have just bought himself a llama. It might have been cheaper and made for a better story. He might have to watch out for Rachael though. I don’t think she’s ever eaten a llama. Monkey brains, snakes and penis maybe, but llama? No.

[Link: theblemish.com...]

Client #10?

309 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:16:27pm

re: #303 DesertSage

Got a "Picture not Available". But it's Larry and Magic. The two men who saved the NBA. Not up for debate.

310 pingjockey  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:16:44pm

re: #303 DesertSage
Nope, Close but no cigar.

311 jaunte  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:16:58pm

re: #291 Ciannaky

It's a bad idea to wear the kaffiyeh, for anyone that knows the political symbolism.
If the garment is useful for troops in the desert, they could easily produce a version without the pattern. The 'fashion intent' is to make a statement. The statement is "I'm with the people that wear this."

312 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:17:00pm

re: #303 DesertSage

This is old school, Grammy.

This is old school:

313 offendi  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:17:02pm

re: #295 buzzsawmonkey

I don't know that the President has the power to marry people. It's not as if he is a justice of the peace, or the captain of a ship.

/yeah, yeah, "ship of state" jokes can commence now.

Obama's Ship of Fools?

314 The Other Les  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:17:21pm

re: #291 Ciannaky

Not a fan, usually laugh at fools wearing them who don't know what a douche he was, especially in the People's Republic of Cambridge. So jaunte, British and US troops wear the damn things, are you going to show the same indignation to them as you would a filthy hippy in a che T or a clueless cooking tart? Didn't think so.

I wouldn't call Che a douche because that would be an insult to douches.

315 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:17:40pm

re: #304 pingjockey

This is old school...

316 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:17:48pm

re: #309 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Got a "Picture not Available". But it's Larry and Magic. The two men who saved the NBA. Not up for debate.

What's up for debate is whether or not it was worth saving.

317 pingjockey  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:17:53pm

re: #312 Nevergiveup
That is old school!

318 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:18:22pm

re: #303 DesertSage

This is old school, Grammy.

I'm seeing *Image not available*. 'Splain it to me, Sage....LOL

319 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:18:35pm

re: #295 buzzsawmonkey

I don't know that the President has the power to marry people. It's not as if he is a justice of the peace, or the captain of a ship.

/yeah, yeah, "ship of state" jokes can commence now.

I would think the president could officiate at a wedding. anyone?

320 pingjockey  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:18:39pm

re: #315 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Hahaha! I remember the Trotters showing up on Scooby Doo.

321 DesertSage  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:18:43pm

re: #309 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Got a "Picture not Available". But it's Larry and Magic. The two men who saved the NBA. Not up for debate.

This one might be better.

322 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:18:46pm

re: #316 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Well, that is really grumpy, Big Dog Johnson.

But a great question.

323 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:19:05pm

re: #313 offendi

Obama's Ship of Fools?

The president can marry anyone with a marriage certificate. It's called being Commander in Chief.

Go ahead, tell him he can't...

324 ec marm  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:19:21pm

re: #295 buzzsawmonkey
Not sure if you saw this picture. A couple months back you thought that a Hill/Obama hook-up might be in the works.

325 offendi  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:19:39pm

re: #308 Bob in Breckenridge

Damn, thought #10 was Bill.

326 Sharmuta  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:19:42pm

re: #223 Syrah

Hell, we are about as tolerant of the Odin's Cross as we are of the Kaffiyeh.

And even more ignorant of the meaning.

327 pingjockey  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:19:53pm

re: #319 unrealizedviewpoint
I don't think so. Senators can't officiate at weddings, but one of the Supreme Court could.

328 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:20:20pm

re: #309 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Got a "Picture not Available". But it's Larry and Magic. The two men who saved the NBA. Not up for debate.

Pshaw....I remember 'Magic' when he was Irvin....

/old enough to know better, young enough to not care....

329 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:20:28pm

re: #317 pingjockey

That is old school!

Old school is George Mikan, the first big man (6'10") to play in the NBA for the Minneapolis Lakers, from DePaul University in Chicago

330 DesertSage  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:20:35pm

re: #312 Nevergiveup

This is old school:
[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Yep! He's the REAL big "O"!

Obama's just a poser!

331 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:20:37pm
332 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:20:40pm

re: #317 pingjockey

That is old school!

I thought Oscar was the best till Jordan came around.

333 pingjockey  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:21:01pm

re: #328 Grammy Cracker
How about Lew Alcindor?

334 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:21:02pm
335 mama winger  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:21:16pm

re: #331 buzzsawmonkey

Brain bleach! Brain bleach! Brain bleach!

I dunno. I think Bill looks good there.

336 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:21:44pm

re: #324 ec marm

Not sure if you saw this picture. A couple months back you thought that a Hill/Obama hook-up might be in the works.

That is SO damn funny! Someone really likes Photoshop, huh?

337 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:21:48pm
338 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:21:52pm

re: #327 pingjockey

I don't think so. Senators can't officiate at weddings, but one of the Supreme Court could.

The mayor of my hometown officiated at my moms 2nd marriage. Why not the prez?

339 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:21:54pm

re: #334 savage_nation

Wilt was the man.

He certainly was with the women!

340 wanumba  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:21:57pm

New York Times MISSED it COMPLETELY.
MARKETING FAILED.
It don't matter if it's "Right" or "Left." DUNCAN DONUTS hired a a firm to make ads to entice people to buy more donuts and coffee and whatever else while they were at it.

Inadvertently, the ad turned off a great number of their usual clients. RULE No. 1: the customer is ALWAYS right. Rule No. 2: the customer is ALWAYS right. It doesn't MATTER what turns off a customer, it could have been the color green in the ad was icky. Well, honestly, it was too pink overall. Rachel Ray was ghoulish in black and white and grey and the rest of the ad was too candy. IF the ad fails to elicite the desired result: buying MORE and attracting MORE customers, it's a failure. Back to the drawing board. Rule No. 3: the customer is ALWAYS right. The grievance groups whine all the time over less, but don't get a New York Times intoning opinion. Pheh! Stay out of it!

341 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:22:37pm

re: #337 buzzsawmonkey

"Now I'll admit I'm not the best in town
But I'll be the best 'til the best comes 'round."

--Don Redman

That's great.

342 pingjockey  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:22:51pm

re: #338 unrealizedviewpoint
Really? I don't know civil or uncivil law that good.

343 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:23:09pm
344 joecitizen  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:23:12pm

hang in there,Nebraska Lizards...37000 lightning strikes in the past hour..tornados abound

345 mama winger  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:23:28pm

Is ChristheProfessor around? I wanted to tell him the DNA results on my pound puppy.

346 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:23:34pm

re: #333 pingjockey

How about Lew Alcindor?

Joey: Wait a minute. I know you. You're Kareem Abdul-Jabar. You play basketball for the Los Angeles Lakers.
Roger Murdock: I'm sorry son, but you must have me confused with someone else. My name is Roger Murdock. I'm the co-pilot.
Joey: You are Kareem. I've seen you play. My dad's got season tickets.
Roger Murdock: I think you should go back to your seat now Joey. Right Clarence?
Captain Oveur: Nahhhhhh, he's not bothering anyone, let him stay here.
Roger Murdock: But just remember, my name is ROGER MURDOCK. I'm an airline pilot.
Joey: I think you're the greatest, but my dad says you don't work hard enough on defense. And he says that lots of times, you don't even run down court. And that you don't really try... except during the playoffs.
Roger Murdock: The hell I don't. LISTEN KID. I've been hearing that crap ever since I was at UCLA. I'm out there busting my buns every night. Tell your old man to drag Walton and Lanier up and down the court for 48 minutes.

347 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:23:51pm
348 Syrah  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:24:01pm

re: #326 Sharmuta

And even more ignorant of the meaning.

I think that the reason that the Big Lizard has been getting so much hate mail is that they can't handle the fact that he called them on their little game.

Nothing stings quite so much as being caught red handed.

349 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:24:11pm
350 pingjockey  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:24:23pm

re: #346 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"Don't call me Shirley".

351 jaunte  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:24:32pm

re: #340 wanumba

I have to admit that I also missed the point of that strange plastic "King" character they invented for Burger King.

352 DesertSage  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:24:34pm

re: #315 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Remember Dr. J?

Chick Hearn announcing.

353 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:24:47pm

re: #327 pingjockey
I dont know about other states, But in Massachusetts, anyone can get a special permit to officiate a wedding. It is a one shot deal thing, in case you want your best friend or whoever to do your ceremony.

354 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:24:51pm

re: #340 wanumba

The customer is King, but he's not always right.

355 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:25:09pm
356 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:25:14pm

re: #333 pingjockey

How about Lew Alcindor?

Yes! Back in the day, athletes became Muslim to avoid the war, IIRC...

/Cassius Clay, etc.

357 ec marm  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:25:19pm

re: #336 Grammy Cracker

That is SO damn funny! Someone really likes Photoshop, huh?


It's like some artistic version of manic/depression. As I was dropping the different layers into Photoshop I was laughing my ass off one minute, the next soberly realizing that one of those critters could be the next President. I think that Bill looks good in blue. It's his color.

358 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:25:31pm

re: #347 savage_nation

yep. Cant argue that... :)

The only man to score 100 points in a single game

In what town?

359 doriangrey  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:25:41pm

re: #329 Bob in Breckenridge

Old school is George Mikan, the first big man (6'10") to play in the NBA for the Minneapolis Lakers, from DePaul University in Chicago


Old skool is Pistol Pete Maravich........................

360 jaunte  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:25:50pm

re: #355 buzzsawmonkey

Maybe Sony is behind it.

361 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:25:51pm

re: #346 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Great movie! And there's also Ward Cleaver's wife June talking jive!

362 solomonpanting  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:26:16pm

Media mogul Murdoch impressed by Obama

"Politicians and Washington are at an all time low, they are despised by 80 percent of the public ... And you've got a candidate who is ... trying to put himself above it all ... and he's become a rock star. It's fantastic."

A rock star without greatest hits, let alone any hits.

363 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:26:27pm

re: #349 savage_nation

Huh, where?

around Kearney, savage.

364 pingjockey  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:26:34pm

re: #349 savage_nation
Prolly the whole damn state. Fox news had an alert from the NWS this morning that is very seldom issued, don't remember the exact wording but basically in the Omaha area it was Oh Shit!

365 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:26:34pm

re: #359 doriangrey

Old skool is Pistol Pete Maravich........................

Old school or new school- Pistol Pete is one you would pay to watch practice.

366 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:26:36pm

re: #353 CapeCoddah

I dont know about other states, But in Massachusetts, anyone can get a special permit to officiate a wedding. It is a one shot deal thing, in case you want your best friend or whoever to do your ceremony.

Well, there ya go. Obama, as president, can officiate, one time, at one of the recently legalized marriage ceremonies.

367 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:26:47pm
368 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:27:03pm

re: #367 savage_nation

I think L.A.

Hersey PA

369 jaunte  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:27:14pm

re: #362 solomonpanting


You forget that often-played single of his, "Present."

370 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:27:33pm

re: #362 solomonpanting

Media mogul Murdoch impressed by Obama

A rock star without greatest hits, let alone any hits.

So he's nothing more than an "American Idol".

371 Mars Needs Neocons  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:27:36pm

re: #221 mikeinmd

I wonder how many of these people bitching with the "it's only a scarf" line would actually point out a country on a blank map if you asked them to show you where Palestine is.

That's not fair. It's a fictional place. Like Narnia, Toontown, and Springfield.

/

372 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:27:49pm
373 Ciannaky  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:27:53pm

re: #311 jaunte

She's obviously an idiot who has her clothes picked out for her, do you think O'Reilly wearing a pinstripe suit provided for him by wardrobe dept means he supports the Mafia? All the gumbah's in my area all wear them so he must be a button man.

I agree that that employing any political symbolism is fraught with danger, but even the most political savvy amongst the pinheads in tvland would know that the symbol of Muslim resistance to the kuffar would be loath to incorporate a kuffar design - paisley is Indo-Aryan btw.

Most of the women wearing these scarves are just airheaded bimbo's who think the frilly paisley design at they see at Macy's for $14.99 makes them look Fabulous.

374 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:28:14pm

re: #343 buzzsawmonkey

What says "coffee" better than a coffeeyah?

creative!

375 Sharmuta  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:28:24pm

re: #348 Syrah

I think that the reason that the Big Lizard has been getting so much hate mail is that they can't handle the fact that he called them on their little game.

Nothing stings quite so much as being caught red handed.

From kaffiyeh wearing fools to crypto-fascist tools- direct sunlight can burn.

376 pingjockey  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:28:26pm

re: #356 Grammy Cracker
I think Jabbar converted after meeting Elijah Muhammed, not to avoid the war. He already had a college deferment.

377 jamgarr  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:28:34pm

OT - McClellen on Olberman now.

378 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:28:40pm

re: #329 Bob in Breckenridge

Old school is George Mikan, the first big man (6'10") to play in the NBA for the Minneapolis Lakers, from DePaul University in Chicago

Back in the forties, the first big man to dominate basketball was 7'0 Bob Kurland of Oklahoma State. OSU won national championships in 1945 and 1946, and beat Mikan's NIT champions in 1945.

Back then the NBA was not anything like what it is now. Traveling AAU "semipro" teams, generally sponsored by major corporations, were often better than the NBA teams. The NBA was in its infancy as a major professional sport.

379 sngnsgt  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:28:43pm

Greta just did a story about Rachael Ray's Kaffiyeh on Faux News.

380 Alouette  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:29:04pm

re: #277 ploome hineni

and her face is so bloated from botox and silicone

Not from stuffing donuts in her pie hole?

381 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:29:39pm

Also from Airplane...never really noticed it before. Funny.

Elaine Dickinson: Would you like something to read?
Hanging Lady: Do you have anything light?
Elaine Dickinson: How about this leaflet, "Famous Jewish Sports Legends?"

382 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:29:47pm

re: #357 ec marm

It's like some artistic version of manic/depression. As I was dropping the different layers into Photoshop I was laughing my ass off one minute, the next soberly realizing that one of those critters could be the next President. I think that Bill looks good in blue. It's his color.

LOL, and so true. I can't believe I've been reduced to rooting for Cackles, but Barry HObama is too scary for words. Other than that, they're a laugh riot.

383 CatsPaw  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:29:51pm

re: #302 Neo Con since 9-11

I don't understand your comment.

384 Intrepid  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:30:10pm

re: #307 really grumpy big dog Johnson

All that matters is how it looked in the original ad photo. No amount of blowups or analysis can change that.

What you're saying then is that first impressions are what's important. Even if the eventually discovered facts of the situation do not equal the first impression. If the RR "neck cloth" is a) not a keffiyeh or b) not even the same as the ones the Palis wear, then what? I'm not saying it is or isn't, I just want to get a few more facts before coming to a conclusion.

Remember when the MSM posted that silly picture of when VP Cheney was fishing and there was a "naked woman" in the reflection of his sun glasses? Libs had a field day with that one! When all along it was the reflection of his fishing rod.

It doesn't hurt anything to find out more facts.

385 jaunte  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:30:27pm

re: #373 Ciannaky

I'm still not seeing any definitive proof that the scarf in question was paisley. That's what the Dunkin' Donuts people said it was. It isn't necessarily so.

386 solomonpanting  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:31:01pm

re: #370 Bob in Breckenridge

So he's nothing more than an "American Idol".


I've never seen "Idol" and have almost as much of a problem seeing Obama.

387 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:31:11pm

re: #381 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Also from Airplane...never really noticed it before. Funny.

I've watched it at least 20 times, with each watching I find something absolutely new and funny I didn't see before. IMO it's the finest comedy ever.

388 Alouette  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:31:18pm

re: #241 pat

She is doing an Ad folks. She is being dressed by a Madison Avenue firm. She likely has no idea of the symbolism and is likely disturbed by it.

I'd say likely doesn't give a shit, except that her ad gig was trashed.

389 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:32:48pm

re: #371 Mars Needs Neocons

Narnia and Toontown...are those two of the 57 states Obama visited?

390 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:33:01pm

re: #361 Bob in Breckenridge

Great movie! And there's also Ward Cleaver's wife June talking jive!

It's a perfect movie - pure brain candy! And Barbara Billingsley translating jive is still one of the funniest scenes EVAH.

391 pingjockey  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:33:39pm

re: #389 CapeCoddah
Yep. Plus Confusion and Hysteria.

392 Mars Needs Neocons  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:34:28pm

re: #291 Ciannaky

Not a fan, usually laugh at fools wearing them who don't know what a douche he was, especially in the People's Republic of Cambridge. So jaunte, British and US troops wear the damn things, are you going to show the same indignation to them as you would a filthy hippy in a che T or a clueless cooking tart? Didn't think so.

He has a point on this. When I was in the sandbox the first time we were issued a nice tan rectangular piece of t-shirt fabric about 4 ft long. Now I see our guys wearing tan and black and green and black versions of these things.

393 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:34:51pm

re: #391 pingjockey

Thought so!

394 Geepers  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:35:02pm

Ciannaky says:

do you think O'Reilly wearing a pinstripe suit provided for him by wardrobe dept means he supports the Mafia?

Ofergodsakes.

395 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:35:23pm

re: #379 sngnsgt

Greta just did a story about Rachael Ray's Kaffiyeh on Faux News.

We don't have anything better to do than stop creeping islamism in its tracks. We are so worthless.

396 Neo Con since 9-11  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:35:29pm

re: #383 CatsPaw

Are you the same CatsPaw that wrote that despicable McCain cheek cancer piece at KOS? Not that you'd probably admit if you are?

397 pingjockey  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:36:03pm

re: #394 Geepers
Nope that means the Mafia supports the State Dept.

398 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:36:20pm

re: #390 Grammy Cracker

Cut me some slack, Jack! Chump don' want no help, chump don't GET da' help!

399 gman  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:37:02pm

re: #385 jaunte

I'm still not seeing any definitive proof that the scarf in question was paisley. That's what the Dunkin' Donuts people said it was. It isn't necessarily so.

Also, no mention of where the scarf was bought.

400 Mars Needs Neocons  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:37:05pm

re: #389 CapeCoddah

Narnia and Toontown...are those two of the 57 states Obama visited?

I think those may have been two of the ones too dangerous for him.

401 sngnsgt  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:37:20pm

re: #387 unrealizedviewpoint

I've watched it at least 20 times, with each watching I find something absolutely new and funny I didn't see before. IMO it's the finest comedy ever.

"Surely you can't be serious?"
"I am serious, and please don't call me Shirley."
402 Ciannaky  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:38:12pm

re: #385 jaunte

Juante I saw the paisley the first time I saw the commercial, not as a result of their statement, and got into the same heated exchange on Hotair the afternoon they posted it. Also made the point here (I think my first comment ever) but no one responded so I left it alone. re: #392 Mars Needs Neocons

They're known as Shamaghs (sp?) to our boys and girls, and thanks bro for keepin us safe; wish my broken body would let me come watch your back.

403 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:38:24pm

re: #397 pingjockey

Nope that means the Mafia supports the State Dept.

Sometimes I think that if the Mafia ran the State Department the world would be a in better shape.

404 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:38:37pm

Sorry I can't stay--I just wanted to say hi. Good night, Lizards.

405 Mars Needs Neocons  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:38:55pm

re: #402 Ciannaky

Juante I saw the paisley the first time I saw the commercial, not as a result of their statement, and got into the same heated exchange on Hotair the afternoon they posted it. Also made the point here (I think my first comment ever) but no one responded so I left it alone. re: #392 Mars Needs Neocons

They're known as Shamaghs (sp?) to our boys and girls, and thanks bro for keepin us safe; wish my broken body would let me come watch your back.

Not to worry, mine won't help much anymore either. Out in 95.

406 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:38:59pm

re: #384 Intrepid

What you're saying then is that first impressions are what's important. Even if the eventually discovered facts of the situation do not equal the first impression. If the RR "neck cloth" is a) not a keffiyeh or b) not even the same as the ones the Palis wear, then what? I'm not saying it is or isn't, I just want to get a few more facts before coming to a conclusion.

Remember when the MSM posted that silly picture of when VP Cheney was fishing and there was a "naked woman" in the reflection of his sun glasses? Libs had a field day with that one! When all along it was the reflection of his fishing rod.

It doesn't hurt anything to find out more facts.

The fact that it adorned her in typical ME terrorist fashion and the fact that she looks very Mediterranean had absolutely nothing to do with it. Yes, first impressions are most important.

Think about a certain Catholic priest who spoke outrageously at Obama's church, then quickly apologized for his aggregious speech.

Think about it some more. If I shoot you because you wear an IDF t-shirt, and apologize to your grieving family, what matters most?

407 pingjockey  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:39:25pm

re: #403 Nevergiveup

Heh! Dinner jacket, we are going to make you an offer you can't refuse.

408 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:39:26pm

re: #404 goddessoftheclassroom

Sorry I can't stay--I just wanted to say hi. Good night, Lizards.

Good night, Goddess! 'Weet dreams!

409 jamgarr  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:40:01pm

Scott McClellan is a lightweight dick!

410 snowcrash  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:40:12pm

I have no idea what an ad campaign costs but Dunkin probably took a BIG hit to the pocketbook. Ad execs will be talking about the mistakes that were made for quite a while. Lesson learned I hope.

411 gman  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:40:15pm

re: #392 Mars Needs Neocons

He has a point on this. When I was in the sandbox the first time we were issued a nice tan rectangular piece of t-shirt fabric about 4 ft long. Now I see our guys wearing tan and black and green and black versions of these things.

I doubt people are wearing them here in the states to emulate the look of a soldier. When moonbats use the military "shemagh" excuse, they're just trying to deflect without having to rationalize.

412 Nevergiveup  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:40:30pm

re: #407 pingjockey

Heh! Dinner jacket, we are going to make you an offer you can't refuse.

Yeah, but he would wake up with a pigs head in his bed!

413 Ma Sands  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:40:57pm

re: #345 mama winger

I would be interested in hearing what kind of puppy you adopted.....if you're still around..... :)

414 razorbacker  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:41:09pm

re: #27 jcm

Okay I'm a cave man.

Just what is Ray's claim to 15 minutes of fame?

Other than posing in a "peace scarf" in front of the OR Capital Building.

I am perfectly willing to be corrected, but I am given to believe that Ms. Ray is what may be the last remaining example of what used to be a commonly occurring species.

A young woman who both can and will cook. Actual food, that is. From scratch, or basic ingredients.

There's an old country saying. Good looks don't last. Good cooking does.

415 pingjockey  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:41:10pm

re: #412 Nevergiveup

That is a priceless vision!

416 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:41:18pm
417 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:41:41pm

re: #409 jamgarr

Scott McClellan is a lightweight dick!

Lightweight, yes. As for the other reference....that can be a rather useful, ahem, item - unlike Mr. McClellan.

418 Syrah  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:42:00pm

re: #416 savage_nation

Boy, the wind is howling outside. Lawn furniture is a-flying across the parking lot, wow

Savage, that train you hear might not be a train.

419 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:42:09pm

re: #416 savage_nation
Free lawn furniture!

420 jamgarr  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:42:41pm

"Tool" then - Oh, wait.

421 sngnsgt  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:42:43pm

re: #410 snowcrash

I have no idea what an ad campaign costs but Dunkin probably took a BIG hit to the pocketbook. Ad execs will be talking about the mistakes that were made for quite a while. Lesson learned I hope.

Yep, somebody's got lots of 'splainin to do around here Rucy.

422 Mich-again  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:42:46pm

The CoffeeYeah was Gaza fabulous.

423 DesertSage  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:42:48pm

Lakers are making their move.

424 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:42:51pm

re: #413 Ma Sands

I would be interested in hearing what kind of puppy you adopted.....if you're still around..... :)

Oooh, ooooh....me too, me too! I just loves me some doggies! All doggies, actually.

/never met a cold wet nose I didn't like.

425 Mars Needs Neocons  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:43:06pm

Anyway, off to bed. I think both sides (on here not in the msm) have valid points. And those of you who know me know I usually take a side. I think there is a large amount of cluelessness in the fashion industry. I think this is probably a paisley scarf, BUT that doesn't mean the designer didn't know exactly what he/she was doing. These fashion clowns do this stuff for a living, their whole career is based on knowing what looks like what.. There me have been a good chance the designer of this particular style knew damn well what it looked like. After all these are people who sue each other every day over "similarities" of design.

Out

426 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:43:06pm
427 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:43:31pm
428 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:43:38pm

re: #416 savage_nation

Boy, the wind is howling outside. Lawn furniture is a-flying across the parking lot, wow

Are you in a hotel? Be sure the curtains are drawn and stay away frpm the windows. I'd sleep on the bathroom floor if I were you.

/worrywart mode

429 Syrah  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:43:46pm

re: #426 savage_nation

ya think its a twister?

You are there.

What do you see?

430 Mars Needs Neocons  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:44:22pm

re: #411 gman

I doubt people are wearing them here in the states to emulate the look of a soldier. When moonbats use the military "shemagh" excuse, they're just trying to deflect without having to rationalize.

Doesn't mean it don't bother me seeing our troops wearing the design of the enemy. I even own a saudi Kaffiyeh. Gathering dust in a box somewhere, I sure as hell won't wear the damn thing.

431 jaunte  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:44:31pm

re: #402 Ciannaky

I think the point that needs to be made is that the controversy (silly as it may seem in this particular case) is worth publicizing, because of the person who originally popularized the garment, what he stood for, and the inadvertent-in-most-cases support for terrorism that is derived from the ignorant wearing of that symbol.
You can imagine it: "Look how many people across the world support our cause."

432 joecitizen  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:44:34pm

re: #349 savage_nation

Huh, where?

I believe basically through the whole state..sittin' and watchin' it rain takes on a whole new meaning,eh? be safe ol'Sav...

433 pingjockey  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:44:35pm

re: #424 Grammy Cracker
My new job has the added benefit of meeting at least 5 new dogs a day. When I get home my golden retriever damn near sniffs the pants off of me trying to figure out where I've been.

434 Mich-again  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:44:40pm

re: #416 savage_nation

Boy, the wind is howling outside. Lawn furniture is a-flying across the parking lot, wow

Was anyone sitting on the it holding on?

435 Carolyn  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:44:49pm
436 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:45:36pm

re: #402 Ciannaky

Juante I saw the paisley the first time I saw the commercial, not as a result of their statement, and got into the same heated exchange on Hotair the afternoon they posted it. Also made the point here (I think my first comment ever) but no one responded so I left it alone. re: #392 Mars Needs Neocons

They're known as Shamaghs (sp?) to our boys and girls, and thanks bro for keepin us safe; wish my broken body would let me come watch your back.

Since you are such an observant soul, would you be so kind as to help a fellow lizard out by letting me know what the building in the background is? I'm pretty dense. I couldn't even see it was paisley in a blowup, and believe me, paisley was all the rage in my late teens and early twenties, popularized by the poster makers for the music venue Fillmore West.

437 pingjockey  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:45:57pm

Nite all. Savage be safe! Buh bye.

438 Mars Needs Neocons  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:46:43pm

And, you would think that the geniuses who designed the new camo patterns would have had the skills to change the patterns to something more appropriate like small american flags or similar.

439 CatsPaw  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:47:31pm

re: #396 Neo Con since 9-11

Are you the same CatsPaw that wrote that despicable McCain cheek cancer piece at KOS? Not that you'd probably admit if you are?

Are you joking? I saw the article the other day through a link here. I didn't even go past the picture.

440 Mich-again  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:47:32pm

Paisley is an anagram for Yes Pali...

441 Mars Needs Neocons  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:47:46pm

re: #438 Mars Needs Neocons

And, you would think that the geniuses who designed the new camo patterns would have had the skills to change the patterns to something more appropriate like small american flags or similar.

"speaking specifically of the Shemagh."

442 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:48:55pm
443 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:49:07pm
444 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:49:28pm

re: #428 goddessoftheclassroom

Are you in a hotel? Be sure the curtains are drawn and stay away frpm the windows. I'd sleep on the bathroom floor if I were you.

/worrywart mode

In 1999 the SPC issued a high probability/PDS alert in early May, and that day dozens of tornadoes killed over 50 people in Oklahoma and Kansas in the most costly (but not nearly the most deadly) tornado outbreak ever.

445 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:49:40pm

Savage, Here is a link to a cool site, has an interactive map, then other cool stuff to see whats coming down your street weather-wise
Part of the NOAA site, which I use a lot to track hurricaine possibilities here. Great weather info.
[Link: www.weather.gov...]

446 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:49:56pm
447 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:50:16pm
448 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:50:35pm
449 Syrah  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:50:40pm

re: #442 savage_nation

Nothing. All the power got blown out across the street. Tons of lightning

Something ugly may be creeping up on you.

A little paranoia when it comes to tornadoes is not a bad thing.

450 jamgarr  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:50:57pm

Olberman just called McClellan's book a "primary document of American history". Sheesh!

451 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:51:23pm

re: #443 savage_nation

Hey Savage, twister?

452 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:51:45pm
453 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:52:22pm

re: #414 razorbacker

I am perfectly willing to be corrected, but I am given to believe that Ms. Ray is what may be the last remaining example of what used to be a commonly occurring species.

A young woman who both can and will cook. Actual food, that is. From scratch, or basic ingredients.

There's an old country saying. Good looks don't last. Good cooking does.

I'll give her that much... she uses mostly fresh ingredients, and her 'cheats' are usually things like pre-cut veggies, etc. Her meals are fast and easy. Not gourmet, or even adventurous, but decent for people in a hurry who don't know or care how to make something more frou-frou.

I actually liked her a LOT more during her first and second seasons. Now she's like a speed-freak on 3 gallons of caffeine.

454 Mich-again  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:52:33pm

re: #442 savage_nation

Nothing. All the power got blown out across the street. Tons of lightning

Tons of lightning. Ha

455 joecitizen  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:52:39pm

re: #447 song_and_dance_man

Oh and BTW.

EC Marm is the bomb.

I thought Sharmuta was the bomb?

456 Ma Sands  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:52:56pm

re: #452 savage_nation

(Make up your mind! You just said you weren't by any windows!)


/ :)

457 CapeCoddah  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:53:02pm

re: #448 savage_nation
Yeah, it is an awesome site.

458 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:53:04pm

re: #449 Syrah

Something ugly may be creeping up on you.

A little paranoia when it comes to tornadoes is not a bad thing.

The golden rule is when in doubt or confused about the situation, seek your pre-planned tornado refuge immediately.

This from a tornado veteran.

459 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:53:16pm
460 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:54:03pm

re: #455 joecitizen

I thought this was the bomb...

461 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:54:09pm
462 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:54:25pm
463 DesertSage  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:54:37pm

Lakers within 2 points.
They were down by 20.

464 mikeinmd  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:54:54pm

Pirates grab cargo ships off Somalia coast

In the seven earlier hijackings this year, most were resolved with a ransom payment, Mody said, adding that the pirates in Somalia typically treat the crews on the hijacked ships well.

Do these people have a clue as to life. They're being robbed blind, but they get their food & water, so life's all good.

See here, Mr. Moonbat, for what happens when you let things slide.

465 Sharmuta  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:55:13pm

re: #455 joecitizen

I thought Sharmuta was the bomb?

I thought DesertSage was the Bomb™?

466 SpartanWoman  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:55:25pm

re: #385 jaunte

Didn't look like paisley to me. Not a bit. Poor old Rachael, hope he got the wardrobe boy sacked.

467 joecitizen  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:56:20pm

re: #460 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I thought this was the bomb...

[Link: www.youtube.com...]


wow..very cool

468 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:56:40pm

re: #463 DesertSage

You sure called that!

469 Ma Sands  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:56:49pm

re: #463 DesertSage

What state do they belong to nowadays? --my Dad used to take me to see them play when I was five.....lots of famous names from those days.....

470 Ciannaky  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:56:56pm

re: #431 jaunte

I get your point, just saying I ain't drinking lizard piss on this one.

Billy the kid, Jesse James et al. wore a bandanna's should I refrain from wearing one lest I be considered a cattle rustler? I wear a black Stetson, does that make me a bad guy? I know, another Foolish analogy but the truth is that this is just way blown way out of proportion; Arafat was a bloodthirtsty murdering bastard who wore a checkered headdress, RR is a dink who probably couldn't point to Palestine on a map if you circled it in chocolate icing.

471 CatsPaw  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:57:13pm

re: #436 really grumpy big dog Johnson

It's the Oregon capitol in Salem.

472 Racer X  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:57:22pm

re: #463 DesertSage

Lakers within 2 points.
They were down by 20.

Na na na na, Hey hey hey, Good-bye!

473 jaunte  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:58:03pm

re: #466 SpartanWoman

I grew up in the '60's, and I remember paisley. It usually wasn't black and white. Black and white paisleys on a white ground is paisley trying to look like something else.

474 jcm  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:58:07pm

re: #465 Sharmuta

re: #455 joecitizen

I thought Sharmuta was the bomb?


I thought DesertSage was the Bomb™?


I thought LFG was a spoldydope free zone!
;-P

475 Sharmuta  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:58:07pm

re: #177 Ciannaky

No I'm comparing two paisley scarfs that are popular in every major city and are not kaffiyehs and pointing to the idiocy of this controversy. Face it conservatives are starting to mimic the level of hysteria usually shown by our friends on the left over an innocuous fashion choice.

Yeah- and we were told this symbol was innocuous too.

/Or is it?

476 DesertSage  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:58:17pm

re: #465 Sharmuta

I thought DesertSage was the Bomb™?

No Sharmuta...you are the Bomb®!

477 Ciannaky  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:58:54pm

re: #436 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Sorry grumpy, I don't personally have every building within the continental US memorized on sight, I can however tell you she is not in front of the Eiffel tower or the Tower of Pisa, or the Kremlin...hope that helps narrow it down for ya.

478 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:59:36pm

The NWS has already received 39 or more tornado reports today from north central and northwestern Kansas, Nebraska, extreme southeastern South Dakota, and extreme west central Iowa.

The tornado watch for large portions of Iowa extends until 3 am local time, and from the look of the severe weather on radar, more tornado watches are going to be likely to the east of the current areas under watch.

479 SnakeSpit  Thu, May 29, 2008 7:59:53pm

OT This just makes me nauseus. Would sombody who knows how please get this to Charles.
[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

480 Intrepid  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:00:36pm

re: #406 really grumpy big dog Johnson

The fact that it adorned her in typical ME terrorist fashion and the fact that she looks very Mediterranean had absolutely nothing to do with it. Yes, first impressions are most important.

Think about a certain Catholic priest who spoke outrageously at Obama's church, then quickly apologized for his aggregious speech.

Think about it some more. If I shoot you because you wear an IDF t-shirt, and apologize to your grieving family, what matters most?

Looked it up - saw dozens of images of folks (male and female, militants/terrorists and everyday people) wearing keffiyeh, and there seems to be about that many different ways of wearing one! Including the way RR has hers wrapped, but that also matches the way summer scarves are being worn here in the US - looped around the neck, with equal amounts hanging down on each side.

I don't get your analogy of the priest's outrageous remarks at Obama's church. There was no "further facts" to be discovered. He's a hate monger, and an Obama nut. That's absolutely clear from every word the guy speaks, and I've heard him speak before.

And your point about shooting me for wearing an IDF t-shirt just kinda makes my point for me. Judging before all the facts are known is not the wisest course of action, RGBDJ. I don't think my family would be appreciative of you shooting before asking any questions. My grumpy marine brother might get a bit testy.

Again - I'm not trying to defend anybody, just want to find more facts before I make up my mind.

481 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:00:52pm

re: #372 savage_nation

Oops

I just read Wilt's wiki bio, and it says he was a republican, and the Kareem Abdul Jabbar hated him because he was.

482 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:01:39pm

re: #461 savage_nation

We have a tornado shelter. Its called the basement.

I trust you have something very sturdy to get under down there?

483 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:01:59pm
484 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:02:21pm

re: #377 jamgarr

OT - McClellen on Olberman now.

He's lost ALL credibility now, appearing on that douchebag's show.

485 jaunte  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:02:28pm

re: #470 Ciannaky

Rachel Ray and Dunkin' Donuts deserve to have it pointed out to them that appearing in a fashion inspired by a murderer, or using it in your advertising, is a bad idea. (Even if you do it in an inaccurate, unintentional and ignorant way).

486 DesertSage  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:02:32pm

Lakers up by one.

487 Syrah  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:02:43pm

re: #464 mikeinmd

Pirates grab cargo ships off Somalia coast

Do these people have a clue as to life. They're being robbed blind, but they get their food & water, so life's all good.

See here, Mr. Moonbat, for what happens when you let things slide.

The video report of the pirate capture of the MV Amiya Scan is very interesting.

488 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:02:55pm

re: #479 SnakeSpit

OT This just makes me nauseus. Would sombody who knows how please get this to Charles.
[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

I 'recommended' it for you.

/Nancy would look better in full burka, no?

489 aaron's rantblog  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:03:03pm

re: #131 moonstone


Am I the only one who would love to find out the name of Rachael's "stylist"? If this person wasn't making a political statement, she needs to find a new profession. Esthetically, the scarf actually detracted from the image (IMHO).

EXACTLY what I was thinking. That, and showing the ACTUAL scarf (paisley my arse) should be the reporter's mission.

Fashion statements are symbolism. When you're a public figure, you don't casually NOT wear a flag lapel button or forget to hold your hand over your heart.

490 beachkatie  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:03:18pm

re: #461 savage_nation
keep safe savage-nation!

491 SpartanWoman  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:03:28pm

re: #473 jaunte

Paisleys sold in stores today are still colorful and the few, very few I've seen this season are no exception..sort of Pucci throwbacks.

492 Neo Con since 9-11  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:03:28pm

re: #439 CatsPaw

Are you joking? I saw the article the other day through a link here. I didn't even go past the picture.

Seems like a big coincidence, but there are probably a few people out there posting on various forums as "CatsPaw" and nothing you've written here has, except the nic, makes me think you are the same person. Sometimes, I get so eager for a troll bashing I see one where there is none, sorry if I was mistaken.

493 DesertSage  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:03:55pm

re: #469 Ma Sands

What state do they belong to nowadays? --my Dad used to take me to see them play when I was five.....lots of famous names from those days.....

Ma!

The Lakers belong to L.A.

494 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:04:06pm
495 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:04:07pm

re: #379 sngnsgt

Greta just did a story about Rachael Ray's Kaffiyeh on Faux News.

"Faux" News? Did you forget the sarc tag, troll?

496 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:05:01pm

re: #480 Intrepid

Looked it up - saw dozens of images of folks (male and female, militants/terrorists and everyday people) wearing keffiyeh, and there seems to be about that many different ways of wearing one! Including the way RR has hers wrapped, but that also matches the way summer scarves are being worn here in the US - looped around the neck, with equal amounts hanging down on each side.

I don't get your analogy of the priest's outrageous remarks at Obama's church. There was no "further facts" to be discovered. He's a hate monger, and an Obama nut. That's absolutely clear from every word the guy speaks, and I've heard him speak before.

And your point about shooting me for wearing an IDF t-shirt just kinda makes my point for me. Judging before all the facts are known is not the wisest course of action, RGBDJ. I don't think my family would be appreciative of you shooting before asking any questions. My grumpy marine brother might get a bit testy.

Again - I'm not trying to defend anybody, just want to find more facts before I make up my mind.

It's not about making up your mind, it's about state of mind. The advance of pali chic has been repeatedly noted at LGF, and if you want to be part of the problem you sure can't be part of the answer.

Don't let research get in the way of obvious common sense.

497 Ma Sands  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:05:22pm

re: #493 DesertSage

'k. Thanks. :)

498 katemaclaren  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:05:45pm

re: #440 Mich-again

Paisley is an anagram for Yes Pali...

Very clever!

499 Intrepid  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:05:46pm

re: #426 savage_nation

ya think its a twister?

Savage - from someone who lives in Tornado alley: if you see the wind on the left side of your deck blowing one way, and the wind on the other side blowing in the opposite way, GET YOUR FAMILY AND RUN FOR THE BASEMENT. Or innermost room without a window.

If there's flying lawn furniture, that's a bit of a concern. If an SUV flies by, WORSE.

500 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:06:23pm
501 Mars Needs Neocons  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:06:35pm

re: #495 Bob in Breckenridge

"Faux" News? Did you forget the sarc tag, troll?

I would say he did. Judging by his past comments he's a pure lizard with a great sense of wordplay.

502 Redline  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:07:52pm

re: #51 jaunte

The Lede (NYT) says:

[Link: www.boston.com...]

Has anyone actually seen a high-res photo of this 'paisley' scarf, or are the reporters just repeating what the company said, without checking the original scarf? This is just sloppy.

I can't find the link, but in the big photo I saw it's clear it is NOT a keffiyeh. It just looks really similar to one because of the color and repeating pattern.

I think this whole incident is unfortunate in that people keep repeating that it is a keffiyeh.

503 jaunte  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:08:02pm

re: #491 SpartanWoman

Here's a paisley scarf google search:
[Link: images.google.com...]

504 gman  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:08:42pm

After looking at a lot of these arafish kaffiyeh's, peace scarves, euro scarves, the scarf that Rachael Ray was wearing, in my view, looked like one of them. For the very reason that it gave that impression, I disapprove of the ad.

LGF has posted articles on these scarves before as companies have continually tried to mainstream them (This is not the first time it has been made an issue here). There is usually a small change made to the pattern on the scarf, but the overall appearance remains.

505 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:09:27pm

re: #386 solomonpanting

I've never seen "Idol" and have almost as much of a problem seeing Obama.

Neither have I.

506 Ciannaky  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:09:42pm

re: #485 jaunte

Well registering concern is one thing but the vitriol on here and other conservative blogs is reminiscent of DKos level hyperbole. I mean ad hominems that I am a a filthy moonbat troll for simply pointing out an inconsistency? I argue with Holocaust deniers with better manners.

507 formercorpsman  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:10:09pm

re: #470 Ciannaky

Can you point to Palestine on a map?

508 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:10:45pm

re: #494 savage_nation

Big beamed timbers and a couple crawl spaces too. However, the city of Lincoln is built in an area that is surrounded by hills, there has never been a tornado that has hit this city ever. I think I'll be ok.

Savage, please don't believe that mythological canard. Many people have been killed in places where tornadoes had never hit before within recorded history. Hills don't stop tornadoes at all. The tornado isn't aware that they are there. The atmospheric conditions that create and sustain tornadoes are generally far above any hills in eastern Nebraska and all of Iowa.

509 sngnsgt  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:11:07pm

re: #495 Bob in Breckenridge DOH! My bad, I did forget the sarc tag, I thought about it as soon as I hit post. I'm on disability, I'm an Epileptic and if I don't have a Dr's appt, Fox is on the TV 24/7. Watchin' Bill O right now, the Architect is on right now talking about Scott's McClellan's book.

510 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:11:53pm

re: #506 Ciannaky

Well registering concern is one thing but the vitriol on here and other conservative blogs is reminiscent of DKos level hyperbole. I mean ad hominems that I am a a filthy moonbat troll for simply pointing out an inconsistency? I argue with Holocaust deniers with better manners.

Vitriol? Are you kidding? I take it you haven't dropped in on any of the ID/evolution threads....

511 SpartanWoman  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:11:54pm

re: #503 jaunte

ad few are black and white..if it was anything (other than a keffiyah-like item), it was a houndstooth check which IS popular in those colors

512 jaunte  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:12:25pm

re: #506 Ciannaky

I don't think I've added to the hominems...

513 sngnsgt  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:12:36pm

re: #501 Mars Needs Neocons
Thanks for coming to my rescue Mars, I did indeed forget the sarc tag.

514 Ciannaky  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:12:56pm

re: #507 formercorpsman

Yeah between Syria (top) and Egypt (bottom), Lebanon towards the Med and Iraq on the left, satisfied?

515 Ciannaky  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:13:35pm

re: #507 formercorpsman

Doh, Palestine doesn't exist

516 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:14:35pm
517 Ciannaky  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:14:42pm

re: #512 jaunte

Not referring to you, you have been civil and that's why I have engaged you and ignored the others.

518 formercorpsman  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:14:55pm

re: #514 Ciannaky

Actually no, it would seem to me, the geographical location you are referring to would be called Israel.

However, if this is Palestine, what is the Capitol?

519 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:15:45pm

re: #509 sngnsgt

Cool...sorry. But I read that in my local paper's message boards on a daily basis, and it pisses me off. Sorry.

520 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:16:18pm

re: #516 savage_nation

The wind just died off to nothing.

In Oklahoma, that's when we worried the most.

521 Ciannaky  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:16:20pm

re: #510 Grammy Cracker

Vitriol? Are you kidding? I take it you haven't dropped in on any of the ID/evolution threads....

No, I learned long ago to stay away from those threads, I think I will stay away from the fashion trends ones as well.

522 CatsPaw  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:16:54pm

re: #492 Neo Con since 9-11

Seems like a big coincidence, but there are probably a few people out there posting on various forums as "CatsPaw" and nothing you've written here has, except the nic, makes me think you are the same person. Sometimes, I get so eager for a troll bashing I see one where there is none, sorry if I was mistaken.

Thanks for the apology. I could have wished that you had done your research before you tarred me as a traitor and got me examined by the high Lizard...

523 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:17:13pm
524 Ciannaky  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:18:27pm

re: #518 formercorpsman

Actually no, it would seem to me, the geographical location you are referring to would be called Israel.

However, if this is Palestine, what is the Capitol?

Right, I caught myself. And the capital of Palestine should be Amman.

525 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:19:13pm

Savage, I know it probably goes without saying, but PLEASE take precautions and be safe!

/and God Bless Savage!

526 PSGInfinity  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:19:17pm

re: #499 Intrepid

... If there's flying lawn furniture, that's a bit of a concern. If an SUV flies by, WORSE.

And if a locomotive comes through...

527 jcm  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:19:20pm

re: #436 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Since you are such an observant soul, would you be so kind as to help a fellow lizard out by letting me know what the building in the background is? I'm pretty dense. I couldn't even see it was paisley in a blowup, and believe me, paisley was all the rage in my late teens and early twenties, popularized by the poster makers for the music venue Fillmore West.

Building is the OR State Capitol in Salem.
;-)

528 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:19:23pm
529 jaunte  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:19:41pm

re: #521 Ciannaky

One of the valuable aspects of this site is the chance it gives everyone to practice their argumentation. The worst that anyone can do in a fight is to type at you.

530 sngnsgt  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:20:24pm

re: #519 Bob in Breckenridge No prob. we get our share of trolls around here, I bet you just wanted to have fun if I was one. I wouldn't want to see a Dem in the WH during this time of war, especially this war.

531 joecitizen  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:20:42pm

re: #526 PSGInfinity

And if a locomotive comes through...

write a song about it..

532 gman  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:22:07pm

re: #503 jaunte

Here's a paisley scarf google search:
[Link: images.google.com...]

Good one Jaunte, and I think it's about time for a game of....
"Which one of these is not like the other?"
for our hard to convince skeptics

Paisley Scarf

Peace Scarf

Now imagine "Peace Scarf" in white
Does Rachael Ray's scarf look more like the Paisley or the Peace?

Here's Rachael again, in case we need that image to jog the memory banks.

533 katemaclaren  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:22:42pm

Well, folks--hmmm. Judging by the quick action, Dunkin Donuts GOT the POINT--saw that the scarf's appearance was offensive--and because it was unintentional--took it down. I say good for them. I also think RR may be a good cook--but smart? No. Now if Susan Sarandon had worn such a scarf--I would not have had to think twice about whether it was intentional, and I'll bet she wouldn't have backed off, either. Unlike Sharon Stone with her dopey comments about Karma.
Even though I hate to admit this, I would want to make the point about the scarf without the kind of overreaction we see in the mob mentality of the culture-that-shall-not-be-named. --or the Daily Kos.

534 PSGInfinity  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:23:40pm

re: #531 joecitizen

write a song about it..

I did. Couldn't figure out how the chainsaws, though. Corny with 'em in, no structure without em. Sigh

535 formercorpsman  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:23:48pm

re: #506 Ciannaky

Ciannaky, hyperbole nothing.

What you have here, are people calling attention to the mainstreaming of something that has become chic on college campuses, and for hyper-privileged idiots who should at least have some common sense.

Is it happenstance, that all the Che-wear we see is just a passing fad?

This is all about mainstreaming.

Whether they play on an idiots ignorance, or another who has complete comprehension, it is what it is.

It is internationally recognized as symbolic with the PLO, and Fatah.

Plain and simple.

536 Intrepid  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:24:50pm

re: #496 really grumpy big dog Johnson

It's not about making up your mind, it's about state of mind. The advance of pali chic has been repeatedly noted at LGF, and if you want to be part of the problem you sure can't be part of the answer.

Don't let research get in the way of obvious common sense.

re: #526 PSGInfinity

And if a locomotive comes through...

...and you're not on the train tracks, DIVE, DIVE, DIVE! IT AIN'T A TRAIN!

537 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:24:59pm

re: #530 sngnsgt

No prob. we get our share of trolls around here, I bet you just wanted to have fun if I was one. I wouldn't want to see a Dem in the WH during this time of war, especially this war.

I wouldn't mind a dem in the White House. Really. Someone has to mop the floors and wash the dishes! : )

538 Ciannaky  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:25:05pm

re: #529 jaunte

True, but I find it disheartening to find the same kind of low level discourse that we conservatives chastise the loons on the other side of the aisle of engaging in; I have always thought conservatives more civil and polite.

539 katemaclaren  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:25:40pm

re: #515 Ciannaky

Doh, Palestine doesn't exist

...and as for you, newbie, I think you are just itchin' to be bitchin'. You have no idea what you are in for because the Lizard Army will not refuse the opportunity to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.

Is it just attention seeking or what? Nevermind. I know the answer.

540 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:25:41pm
541 Mich-again  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:26:32pm

re: #533 katemaclaren

Even though I hate to admit this, I would want to make the point about the scarf without the kind of overreaction we see in the mob mentality of the culture-that-shall-not-be-named. --or the Daily Kos.

Wait a minute I thought you said it was shall not be named?

But I agree. It wasn't brought to light with an Olbermanish "ThIs Is An OuTrAgE sIr! fury. More like... Look how stupid these people are?

542 Intrepid  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:26:37pm

re: #536 Intrepid

Sorry - had two reply trains of thought going at the same time...heh.

543 Grammy Cracker  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:27:00pm

re: #533 katemaclaren

Well, folks--hmmm. Judging by the quick action, Dunkin Donuts GOT the POINT--saw that the scarf's appearance was offensive--and because it was unintentional--took it down. I say good for them. I also think RR may be a good cook--but smart? No. Now if Susan Sarandon had worn such a scarf--I would not have had to think twice about whether it was intentional, and I'll bet she wouldn't have backed off, either. Unlike Sharon Stone with her dopey comments about Karma.
Even though I hate to admit this, I would want to make the point about the scarf without the kind of overreaction we see in the mob mentality of the culture-that-shall-not-be-named. --or the Daily Kos.

I agree. That is why we wrote respectful and thoughtful (hopefully) letters to DD to voice our concerns and discussed it here with one another instead of, oh...I don't know... rioting and burning down DD stores across the globe. There has been no seething.

544 StinkHammer  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:27:10pm

re: #352 DesertSage

Remember Dr. J?

The Doctor was The Man. That dunk is insane (I remember when it made the "Top 5 Dunks of All Time" -- or some such thing). In my book, nobody did it better.

545 Mars Needs Neocons  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:27:17pm

re: #513 sngnsgt

Thanks for coming to my rescue Mars, I did indeed forget the sarc tag.

'snothing

546 PSGInfinity  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:29:11pm

The radar maps looked really ugly whenI glanced at them earlier. To our MidWestern Lizards, please take cover and may God keep you and yours safe.

And to joecitizen and Intrepid, I'm glad I brought a little levity to the thread. It's 2330 in DCTown, and I've gotta get some rest.
Cheers!

547 Mich-again  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:29:11pm

re: #543 Grammy Cracker

Jinx!

548 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:29:22pm

re: #527 jcm

Building is the OR State Capitol in Salem.
;-)

I'm relieved. No moonbats there.

549 Mich-again  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:30:00pm

I half expect Savage Nation to post..

" Het wait a minute... I hear a train coming.. Theres no tr...

ARGHHHH!

550 Mars Needs Neocons  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:30:06pm

re: #539 katemaclaren

...and as for you, newbie, I think you are just itchin' to be bitchin'. You have no idea what you are in for because the Lizard Army will not refuse the opportunity to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.

Is it just attention seeking or what? Nevermind. I know the answer.

I don't think that's it. People tend to stand by their guns to the point of irritation. I think that's true on both sides of this battle (once again just here, not msm). Some have really had a time where standing on their issue got to the point of absurdity (Globular Clusters anyone?)

551 jcm  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:30:38pm
552 katemaclaren  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:31:26pm

re: #543 Grammy Cracker

Agreed absolutely! I did the same--and also said something to the local DD manned by Indians (from that other continent) who had no idea about the ad! They know me well, I'm a good coffee customer, so they didn't laugh at me--they were sincerely concerned--and not too happy about the controversy.

553 joecitizen  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:31:38pm

re: #550 Mars Needs Neocons

I don't think that's it. People tend to stand by their guns to the point of irritation. I think that's true on both sides of this battle (once again just here, not msm). Some have really had a time where standing on their issue got to the point of absurdity (Globular Clusters anyone?)

no thanks.I'm on the wagon.(ba dum bum)

554 jaunte  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:31:40pm

re: #538 Ciannaky

True, but I find it disheartening to find the same kind of low level discourse that we conservatives chastise the loons on the other side of the aisle of engaging in; I have always thought conservatives more civil and polite.

That's just a speed issue. Conservatives are slow to anger, but it's been building for some time.

555 katemaclaren  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:32:42pm

re: #550 Mars Needs Neocons

I don't think that's it. People tend to stand by their guns to the point of irritation. I think that's true on both sides of this battle (once again just here, not msm). Some have really had a time where standing on their issue got to the point of absurdity (Globular Clusters anyone?)

You're probably right--I couldn't believe the heat in the ID/Evolution threads. Whew. Still I get annoyed when I see the drip drip drip, if you get my point.

556 Mars Needs Neocons  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:32:52pm

re: #553 joecitizen

no thanks.I'm on the wagon.(ba dum bum)

lol.

Seriously though, you should research that particular incident. Sat here watching the whole thing, just wanted to scream.

557 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:33:20pm
558 sngnsgt  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:33:54pm

re: #537 Bob in Breckenridge

I wouldn't mind a dem in the White House. Really. Someone has to mop the floors and wash the dishes! : )

LOL! And do the windows too!

559 Mars Needs Neocons  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:35:28pm

re: #555 katemaclaren

You're probably right--I couldn't believe the heat in the ID/Evolution threads. Whew. Still I get annoyed when I see the drip drip drip, if you get my point.

I think there is a lot of emnity still floating around. I've noticed a few lizards are bit more short tempered with their fellows lately.

It'll work out. I still remember how upset I was during the rash of bannings and desertions by old time lizards a couple years ago. But, LGF went on and is still the best place for brilliant discourse.

To Reaganite, Amalie (BG), et al, if you ever read up on things here anymore, best wishes, miss y'all.

560 katemaclaren  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:35:41pm

re: #541 Mich-again

Wait a minute I thought you said it was shall not be named?

But I agree. It wasn't brought to light with an Olbermanish "ThIs Is An OuTrAgE sIr! fury. More like... Look how stupid these people are?

Isn't Olberman ridiculous? Did you see what Murdoch said about him? "Olberman? I fired him five years ago. He's crazy."

561 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:35:57pm

re: #450 jamgarr

Olberman just called McClellan's book a "primary document of American history". Sheesh!

Not surprising, as he seems pretty darn ignorant about it (American history).

To be fair, so am I. I'm just not a raving d*ck about it.

562 Syrah  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:36:20pm

re: #549 Mich-again

It's a little worrisome.

563 uptight  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:36:27pm

I think there are many people out there than genuinely can't see our point about the keffiyeh.

They see it as a cool fashion accessory and, given its long history and widespread use across the middle east, they see us as, at best, churlish for identify this solely with Arab terrorists. At worst, they see us as anti-Arab racists.

They are misunderstanding us and missing the point we are making.

Imagine that, for entirely non-political reasons, Arab sandals became "popular in the West. We'd have no problem with that. We may even wear them ourselves. We aren't against Arabs or Arab fashions.

The keffiyeh, however, is different. Like it or not, it is politicized. Furthermore, it wasn't us who politicized it.

The keffiyeh did not gain its popularity in the West because of its aesthetics. It became popular because of its iconographic association with Palestinian terrorism.

THAT IS THE POINT!

Rachel Ray wore a scarf modeled on the keffiyeh because it is "fashionable". But how did this fashion come about?

Like so many other fashions, it came from the street. Well. Not exactly "the street", but it did come from young people marching on "a street" - quite a few on them actually.

Up and down the country rich white liberal kids gained radical credentials by wearing the keffiyeh on anti-war marches.

Trust me - they were not showing empathy with nice peaceful Bedouins going about their daily lives. They chose the keffiyeh because it was used by Palestinian terrorists to mask their identity, as they tried to kill Jews.

The rich white liberal students fantasized about the mystique of edgy radicalism they could borrow from the terrorists, if they too masked their faces from "the man". They chose the keffiyeh. Way cooler than the old fashioned balaclava and it demonstrated their support for an "oppressed people".

Never mind that Palestinian terrorists are amongst the least "antiwar" demographics on the planet. Being peaceful was not the point. They just wanted to look politically bad-assed.

Eventually, this stylish icon of Jew-murder, migrated from airheads on antiwar marches to the shelves of Urban Outfitters.

I guess without the context, it is us who look petty and racist for objecting. People should do their research before making such assumptions. At least until the swastika comes back into fashion and we are labelled anti-Hindu bigots for objecting.

564 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:36:37pm

re: #540 savage_nation

awww, your too kind. :)

I'll be ok, things are starting to die down....

Just an FYI savage. There are three separate tornado warnings well to the southwest of where you are now. AT LEAST one of those includes an observed large tornado. None of those particular cells would be in your neighborhood for well over an hour, but the general trend with these twisters is motion to the northeast at close to 40 miles per hour. The SPC is indicating that they will likely be rain-wrapped (aka high precipitation supercells), meaning you won't be able to see them before the are right on you.

Because you are in such a hot zone for development, rapid development of tornadic cells could happen quickly and well in advance of those storms, which at my last look were hugging the KS-NE border. Just be vigilant and err on the side of safety if the weather suddenly seems like it's going downhill.

565 Syrah  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:37:00pm

re: #557 savage_nation

:)

Things are still iffy. Might be a long night. I told the kids to get to the basement, I'm taking my laptop down there too.

Glad to here that.

566 Ciannaky  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:37:23pm

re: #554 jaunte

Anger is one thing and I agree we are slow to anger but I always thought that rationality was the bastion of right wing political thought; then there are responses like this

and as for you, newbie, I think you are just itchin' to be bitchin'. You have no idea what you are in for because the Lizard Army will not refuse the opportunity to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.

Is it just attention seeking or what? Nevermind. I know the answer.

This is considered discourse in conservative circles? Sad.

567 uptight  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:37:44pm

I think there are many people out there than genuinely can't see our point about the keffiyeh.

They see it as a cool fashion accessory and, given its long history and widespread use across the middle east, they see us as, at best, churlish for identifying it with terrorists. At worst, they see us as anti-Arab racists.

They are misunderstanding us and missing the point we are making.

Imagine that, for entirely non-political reasons, Arab sandals became "popular in the West. We'd have no problem with that. We may even wear them ourselves. We aren't against Arabs or Arab fashions.

The keffiyeh, however, is different. Like it or not, it is politicized. Furthermore, it wasn't us who politicized it.

The keffiyeh did not gain its popularity in the West because of its aesthetics. It became popular because of its iconographic association with Palestinian terrorism.

THAT IS THE POINT!

Rachel Ray wore a scarf modeled on the keffiyeh because it is "fashionable". But how did this fashion come about?

Like so many other fashions, it came from the street. Well. Not exactly "the street", but it did come from young people marching on "a street" - quite a few on them actually.

Up and down the country rich white liberal kids gained radical credentials by wearing the keffiyeh on anti-war marches.

Trust me - they were not showing empathy with nice peaceful Bedouins going about their daily lives. They chose the keffiyeh because it was used by Palestinian terrorists to mask their identity, as they tried to kill Jews.

The rich white liberal students fantasized about the mystique of edgy radicalism they could borrow from the terrorists, if they too masked their faces from "the man". They chose the keffiyeh. Way cooler than the old fashioned balaclava and it demonstrated their support for an "oppressed people".

Never mind that Palestinian terrorists are amongst the least "antiwar" demographics on the planet. Being peaceful was not the point. They just wanted to look politically bad-assed.

Eventually, this stylish icon of Jew-murder, migrated from airheads on antiwar marches to the shelves of Urban Outfitters.

I guess without the context, it is us who look petty and racist for objecting. People should do their research before making such assumptions. At least until the swastika comes back into fashion and we are labelled anti-Hindu bigots for objecting.

568 Mars Needs Neocons  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:37:52pm

re: #563 uptight

I think there are many people out there than genuinely can't see our point about the keffiyeh.

They see it as a cool fashion accessory and, given its long history and widespread use across the middle east, they see us as, at best, churlish for identify this solely with Arab terrorists. At worst, they see us as anti-Arab racists.

They are misunderstanding us and missing the point we are making.

Imagine that, for entirely non-political reasons, Arab sandals became "popular in the West. We'd have no problem with that. We may even wear them ourselves. We aren't against Arabs or Arab fashions.

The keffiyeh, however, is different. Like it or not, it is politicized. Furthermore, it wasn't us who politicized it.

The keffiyeh did not gain its popularity in the West because of its aesthetics. It became popular because of its iconographic association with Palestinian terrorism.

THAT IS THE POINT!

Rachel Ray wore a scarf modeled on the keffiyeh because it is "fashionable". But how did this fashion come about?

Like so many other fashions, it came from the street. Well. Not exactly "the street", but it did come from young people marching on "a street" - quite a few on them actually.

Up and down the country rich white liberal kids gained radical credentials by wearing the keffiyeh on anti-war marches.

Trust me - they were not showing empathy with nice peaceful Bedouins going about their daily lives. They chose the keffiyeh because it was used by Palestinian terrorists to mask their identity, as they tried to kill Jews.

The rich white liberal students fantasized about the mystique of edgy radicalism they could borrow from the terrorists, if they too masked their faces from "the man". They chose the keffiyeh. Way cooler than the old fashioned balaclava and it demonstrated their support for an "oppressed people".

Never mind that Palestinian terrorists are amongst the least "antiwar" demographics on the planet. Being peaceful was not the point. They just wanted to look politically bad-assed.

Eventually, this stylish icon of Jew-murder, migrated from airheads on antiwar marches to the shelves of Urban Outfitters.

I guess without the context, it is us who look petty and racist for objecting. People should do their research before making such assumptions. At least until the swastika comes back into fashion and we are labelled anti-Hindu bigots for objecting.

Brilliant post. That's what was bugging me. My earlier post on the designer still stands. What are the chances that he/she couldn't know what it resembled?

569 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:38:48pm
570 katemaclaren  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:39:02pm

re: #559 Mars Needs Neocons

To Reaganite, Amalie (BG), et al, if you ever read up on things here anymore, best wishes, miss y'all.

Did they get banned? I remember someone else who seemed quite passionate--and disappeared--can't think of his/her name. I can't keep up as much as I'd like--I miss things!

571 jaunte  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:39:30pm

re: #566 Ciannaky

Some folks here are not as articulate as uptight (#567).
Including me.

572 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:39:31pm

re: #560 katemaclaren

Isn't Olberman ridiculous? Did you see what Murdoch said about him? "Olberman? I fired him five years ago. He's crazy."

Kate, where did you read that?

573 Mars Needs Neocons  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:39:44pm

re: #570 katemaclaren

To Reaganite, Amalie (BG), et al, if you ever read up on things here anymore, best wishes, miss y'all.

Did they get banned? I remember someone else who seemed quite passionate--and disappeared--can't think of his/her name. I can't keep up as much as I'd like--I miss things!

Don't completely recall who got banned and who just got annoyed and left, but it wasn't fun.

574 Mars Needs Neocons  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:40:12pm

re: #571 jaunte

Some folks here are not as articulate as uptight (#567).
Including me.

Nicely put.

575 jaunte  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:40:13pm

re: #569 savage_nation

Are you broadcasting from below ground now, savage?

576 jcm  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:41:52pm

re: #575 jaunte

Are you broadcasting from below ground now, savage?

The latest trucks all have basements.
/;-P

577 Ciannaky  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:42:26pm

re: #571 jaunte

Gotcha mate, no hard feelings, just a disagreement.

578 DesertSage  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:43:17pm

re: #573 Mars Needs Neocons

Don't completely recall who got banned and who just got annoyed and left, but it wasn't fun.

Amalie did not get banned. She still hangs out here sometimes, under an assumed name.

579 jaunte  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:43:30pm

re: #577 Ciannaky
Good enough; keep saying what you think.

580 SpartanWoman  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:43:34pm

"Never mind that Palestinian terrorists are amongst the least "antiwar" demographics on the planet. Being peaceful was not the point. They just wanted to look politically bad-assed."

Yes, without understanding the symbolism at all. Loons wear these for their shock value and counter-cultural chic. Maybe some are empathizers, but probably most are stupid as hell. I do not excuse it, though, jumping on the bandwagon of hate in order to look hip is extraordinarily offensive. DD will undoubtedly do a better job of preventing wardrobe errors in the future

581 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:44:13pm
582 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:44:30pm
583 Syrah  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:44:53pm

re: #581 savage_nation

Good

Thank you.

584 Mars Needs Neocons  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:45:33pm

re: #578 DesertSage

Amalie did not get banned. She still hangs out here sometimes, under an assumed name.

I was pretty sure she didn't get banned. She was always curteous. Just didn't know if she got fed up and left. Course with her, life kept her busy enough.

585 DesertSage  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:45:53pm

Lakers win! Headed for NBA finals.

586 Mars Needs Neocons  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:46:02pm

crap I meant courteous

587 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:46:09pm

re: #567 uptight

I think there are many people out there than genuinely can't see our point about the keffiyeh.

They see it as a cool fashion accessory and, given its long history and widespread use across the middle east, they see us as, at best, churlish for identifying it with terrorists. At worst, they see us as anti-Arab racists.

They are misunderstanding us and missing the point we are making.

Imagine that, for entirely non-political reasons, Arab sandals became "popular in the West. We'd have no problem with that. We may even wear them ourselves. We aren't against Arabs or Arab fashions.

The keffiyeh, however, is different. Like it or not, it is politicized. Furthermore, it wasn't us who politicized it.

The keffiyeh did not gain its popularity in the West because of its aesthetics. It became popular because of its iconographic association with Palestinian terrorism.

THAT IS THE POINT!

Rachel Ray wore a scarf modeled on the keffiyeh because it is "fashionable". But how did this fashion come about?

Like so many other fashions, it came from the street. Well. Not exactly "the street", but it did come from young people marching on "a street" - quite a few on them actually.

Up and down the country rich white liberal kids gained radical credentials by wearing the keffiyeh on anti-war marches.

Trust me - they were not showing empathy with nice peaceful Bedouins going about their daily lives. They chose the keffiyeh because it was used by Palestinian terrorists to mask their identity, as they tried to kill Jews.

The rich white liberal students fantasized about the mystique of edgy radicalism they could borrow from the terrorists, if they too masked their faces from "the man". They chose the keffiyeh. Way cooler than the old fashioned balaclava and it demonstrated their support for an "oppressed people".

Never mind that Palestinian terrorists are amongst the least "antiwar" demographics on the planet. Being peaceful was not the point. They just wanted to look politically bad-assed.

Eventually, this stylish icon of Jew-murder, migrated from airheads on antiwar marches to the shelves of Urban Outfitters.

I guess without the context, it is us who look petty and racist for objecting. People should do their research before making such assumptions. At least until the swastika comes back into fashion and we are labelled anti-Hindu bigots for objecting.

Terrific post. The talking heads can't see our point at all. They are so deadened by all the helicopter crash/multiple murder/car chase news that they are clueless to the trends that we've been following for years.

588 katemaclaren  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:46:11pm

re: #566 Ciannaky

Anger is one thing and I agree we are slow to anger but I always thought that rationality was the bastion of right wing political thought; then there are responses like this

This is considered discourse in conservative circles? Sad.

Sad. hmm. The VC.
I called it as it seemed.

589 katemaclaren  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:46:40pm

re: #572 Bob in Breckenridge

Kate, where did you read that?

It's on Drudge. Let me see if I can get you a link.

590 DesertSage  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:46:53pm

re: #584 Mars Needs Neocons

She hangs out in the lounge sometimes.

591 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:47:29pm

re: #573 Mars Needs Neocons

storagemanager, squirrelguy, and one other rather long time poster were the lastest casualties.

592 Mich-again  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:48:08pm

re: #560 katemaclaren

Isn't Olberman ridiculous? Did you see what Murdoch said about him? "Olberman? I fired him five years ago. He's crazy."

I remember you from way back.. Upthread I think you might having been asking about Bigel or Rayra, both real passionate posters from back then.

593 Mars Needs Neocons  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:48:22pm

re: #590 DesertSage

She hangs out in the lounge sometimes.

I never get over there. Too much here to keep up with. Having to make up for a year with no internet keeps me busy.

594 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:48:55pm

re: #591 Bob in Breckenridge

Who was it who was sick?

595 Sylvester_T_Cat  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:49:04pm

re: #299 Intrepid
I suspect when the Dunkin Donuts apologists call that scarf design "paisley", they're hoping to invoke the 60's, flower children, harmless kumbiya stuff, totally inoffensive so move right along .....
I'd like to see a close-up of Ray's scarf too, but one thing for sure ... it isn't "paisley":
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

596 Mars Needs Neocons  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:49:29pm

re: #591 Bob in Breckenridge

storagemanager, squirrelguy, and one other rather long time poster were the lastest casualties.

Don't remember them well, but as the next post says..Rayra I remember. I may have been reading the night we lost him/her.

597 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:49:57pm
598 Intrepid  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:50:00pm

re: #567 uptight

Thanks for the informational post, uptight. I must admit to not knowing so much about the rise in this type of political fashion statement. Until a couple years ago I lived in Asia. And I'm pretty new here at LGF, too. I am still trying to grow a thicker, scalier skin. It appears to be a necessity.

I worked with and am still dear friends with scores of Middle Easterners (all Christians) and they wear keffiyeh when it's expedient, and when weather demands it. Not the Pali kind, of course. But to me it's just always been an issue of ME dress, regardless of the religious or political affiliation.

599 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:50:36pm

re: #594 Bob in Breckenridge

Well, "sick". Whatever, he pissed off quite a few, including the boss.

600 katemaclaren  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:50:46pm

re: #592 Mich-again

I remember you from way back.. Upthread I think you might having been asking about Bigel or Rayra, both real passionate posters from back then.

Rayra! That's it! What happened? It seemed like he/she posted realllllly loooong comments!

601 DesertSage  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:51:42pm

re: #600 katemaclaren

Rayra! That's it! What happened? It seemed like he/she posted realllllly loooong comments!

Rayra was a really, really bad boy.

602 katemaclaren  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:52:17pm

re: #572 Bob in Breckenridge

Kate, where did you read that?

[Link: blogs.wsj.com...]
Here's the link. The article is in the Wall Street Journal and I copied and pasted the last of it below:

“Murdoch staunchly defended the Fox News Channel’s “Fair and Balanced” motto as accurate, adding that even Bill O’Reilly “gives both sides all the time” — a remark that prompted laughs from the audience.
So why aren’t there more liberal voices on Fox News, Kara Swisher asked? Murdoch replied that he would hire a liberal voice if he could find one that was strong enough.
“Would you hire Keith Olbermann?” Swisher asked.
Murdoch’s response: “No, I fired him five years ago... He’s crazy.”
– Martin Peers

603 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:52:37pm

re: #600 katemaclaren

Rayra! That's it! What happened? It seemed like he/she posted realllllly loooong comments!

He started insulting Charles on other blogs, and word got back....

604 Mars Needs Neocons  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:53:05pm

I've noticed on more than one occasion somebody has a bad day or something, someone says something that strikes them wrong and boom they've gone to far and said something they shouldn't. The worst part is when both sides are actually in agreement and are arguing so hard about a small point neither can see it.

605 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:53:13pm

re: #602 katemaclaren

Thank you, Kate.

606 formercorpsman  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:53:14pm

re: #566 Ciannaky

No Ciannaky.

What people see when they see someone like Rachel Ray wearing this in an ad, is what we have all become comfortable in forgetting.

This scarf represents the evil that killed 47 people on SwissAir flight 330, the 9 school children murdered on a school bus with a Bazooka, 11 Olympic athletes murdered in Munich, Cleo Noel, Coastal Road Massacre, Leon Klinghoffer, and countless other acts of symbolism done in the name of terror, that is synonymous with this item we discuss.

The fact we are watching something like creep back in, especially considering how far we as a civilized society have become, only to watch our future generation display with such ignorance, that it shames us, and disgraces the innocent who have suffered as a result.

It is more than just devolving into name calling.

607 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:53:58pm
608 katemaclaren  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:54:06pm

re: #601 DesertSage

Rayra was a really, really bad boy.

A bad BOY, huh? Of course, now I'm very curious. I also think I saw the same person post at Gates of Vienna. I looked at GoV when they were throwing punches our way. Fruitcake.

609 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:54:38pm

re: #581 savage_nation

Yes I am.

Savage, you've got a relatively small storm with notable (but non-tornadic) rotation that will be passing over your area within a short while or right about now. It will blow through pretty quickly, and then bigger storms will be passing through in maybe an hour or a little less than that.

I've been looking at storm relative radar, and nothing looks really threatening at the moment, in spite of the rotational wind.

610 katemaclaren  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:54:45pm

re: #605 Bob in Breckenridge

You are very welcome. Murdoch said some surprising things.

611 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:55:09pm

re: #604 Mars Needs Neocons

Charles devoted almost a whole thread to this subject a few weeks ago. It was not the subject of the thread, but if you read it you'd understand.

612 Ciannaky  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:56:17pm

re: #588 katemaclaren

Perhaps you entered into the discussion midway and took my meaning poorly, either way your response was ill conceived and foul even by DKos standards.

I hold conservatives to higher standards, perhaps I'm living in a dream world where (most) conservatives show decency to their opponents and beguile them with their far superior knowledge of facts rather than shouting them down with nasty ad hominems.

613 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:57:01pm
614 Mars Needs Neocons  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:57:21pm

re: #611 Bob in Breckenridge

Charles devoted almost a whole thread to this subject a few weeks ago. It was not the subject of the thread, but if you read it you'd understand.

Not surprised. It is our reoccurring curse. Lizards are a stubborn lot. We don't back down. I think that comes from having to bite our tongues to exist in society. I've been working with the disabled for a couple months now, and you have no idea how many times I have to bite my tongue when one of the other staff speaks up. Of course sometimes I don't and they are becoming aware of what not to talk about around me.

615 katemaclaren  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:58:07pm

re: #606 formercorpsman

You know, I don't have a short memory normally, but I needed to be reminded of these horrors. What a beastly man. The picture that comes to my mind is a photo of Arafat with Carter.

616 katemaclaren  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:58:34pm

re: #612 Ciannaky

Perhaps you entered into the discussion midway and took my meaning poorly, either way your response was ill conceived and foul even by DKos standards.

I hold conservatives to higher standards, perhaps I'm living in a dream world where (most) conservatives show decency to their opponents and beguile them with their far superior knowledge of facts rather than shouting them down with nasty ad hominems.

You must be very young.

617 Mars Needs Neocons  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:58:40pm

re: #615 katemaclaren

You know, I don't have a short memory normally, but I needed to be reminded of these horrors. What a beastly man. The picture that comes to my mind is a photo of Arafat with Carter.

And now the student becomes the master.

618 jcm  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:58:49pm

re: #613 savage_nation

Well, all of a sudden all the lightning moved off to the east towards Omaha. Rain pretty much stopped also.

Some serious shit that way.

619 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:59:14pm

re: #614 Mars Needs Neocons

I can't remember who it was that was banned, but it was a long time poster, over 5K comments.

620 katemaclaren  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:59:32pm

re: #616 katemaclaren

You must be very young.

And maybe I did--but your response certainly isn't civil. So...me first. I apologize for any misunderstanding. ...over to you....

621 Mich-again  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:59:39pm

re: #608 katemaclaren

Fruitcake.

Not.

622 Mars Needs Neocons  Thu, May 29, 2008 8:59:40pm

re: #616 katemaclaren

You must be very young.

In general, he is right. Conservatives do tend to comport themselves more decently than our counterparts. But sometimes.....

623 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:00:13pm
624 Mars Needs Neocons  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:00:44pm

re: #619 Bob in Breckenridge

I can't remember who it was that was banned, but it was a long time poster, over 5K comments.

I think I know, but can't at the moment bring it to mind.

I don't have a great many posts, but I've been here a while.

625 Mars Needs Neocons  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:01:31pm

re: #613 savage_nation

Well, all of a sudden all the lightning moved off to the east towards Omaha. Rain pretty much stopped also.

Shit, I thought you said Obama and got happy for a minute.

626 jcm  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:01:47pm

Later chores beckon.

627 Intrepid  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:01:56pm

re: #619 Bob in Breckenridge

I can't remember who it was that was banned, but it was a long time poster, over 5K comments.

LanceKates?

628 Ciannaky  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:02:13pm

re: #606 formercorpsman

formercorpsman, I don't begrudge your aversion to symbolism. I am merely pointing out that the symbolism is completely wrong, if the same style of scarf was chartreuse and indigo with the same design you wouldn't bat an eye.

629 formercorpsman  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:02:17pm

re: #615 katemaclaren

Well, I won't bullshit you.

I usually post more asinine stuff.

Before posting a serious collection of thought, I at least try to double check my information.

I am not that quick.

630 Mars Needs Neocons  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:02:29pm

re: #627 Intrepid

LanceKates?

Crap that's right Lance is gone. We used to have great discussions way back.

631 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:03:03pm
632 katemaclaren  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:03:12pm

re: #612 Ciannaky

Oh, and just so I'm clear on this, since I'm not a DKos reader/poster, you ARE?...and therefore know that my reply was in the same vein? Oh please. It's easy, very easy to see when baiting is taking place and I call BS.

633 Mars Needs Neocons  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:03:19pm

re: #628 Ciannaky

formercorpsman, I don't begrudge your aversion to symbolism. I am merely pointing out that the symbolism is completely wrong, if the same style of scarf was chartreuse and indigo with the same design you wouldn't bat an eye.

But I would argue the point is It wasn't

634 Syrah  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:03:21pm

Something for the Kostard lurkers.

Girls with Guns.

(Boo!)

: D

635 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:03:24pm
636 Mich-again  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:03:54pm

re: #613 savage_nation

Well, all of a sudden all the lightning moved off to the east towards Omaha. Rain pretty much stopped also.

Did someone say East of Omaha?

On a long and lonesome highway, east of omaha.
You can listen to the engine moaning out its one lone song
You can think about woman, or the girl you knew the night before,
But your thoughts will soon be wandering, the way they always do.
When your riding sixteen hours and theres nothing much to do
And you dont feel much like riding, you just wish the trip was through.
Say, here I am, on the road again. there I am, up on the stage.
Here I go, playing star again.
There I go, turn the page

.

637 Ciannaky  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:04:05pm

re: #620 katemaclaren

Of course, no offense.

638 Mars Needs Neocons  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:04:07pm

re: #631 savage_nation

Well, fucking Jobass took off with my kid about a half an hour ago. Wouldnt tell anyone when they are coming back. I'm calling the cops RIGHT NOW so they can get her back home.

And Jobass is going to be going to the fucking hospital once I get done with him. Guaranteed!

He pushed it just a little bit too far tonite. Too bad for him...

/eg

Well be sure to let us know when you get released from the slammer. We're all going to want to hear how things went.

639 katemaclaren  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:04:20pm

re: #627 Intrepid

LanceKates?

I was around for that. It was in the ID/Evolution threads. Whew. Yikes.

640 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:04:50pm
641 Mich-again  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:05:46pm

re: #631 savage_nation

Put on a clean T-Shirt for the Cops video...

642 Intrepid  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:05:50pm

re: #631 savage_nation

Now Savage - you don't want to be the one the cops haul in to the pokey! And if things have been pretty bad your way weather-wise, the cops might be a bit busy and it might take a while for them to get to you.

643 katemaclaren  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:06:50pm

Good night all. Time for this East Coaster (born in Scotland, though) to hit the hay. I have papers to grade tomorrow before I head to the Jersey shore.

644 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:07:32pm
645 Mich-again  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:07:34pm

re: #643 katemaclaren

before I head to the Jersey shore.

Niice.

646 Intrepid  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:07:44pm

re: #639 katemaclaren

I was around for that. It was in the ID/Evolution threads. Whew. Yikes.

I whistle past those ones - keeps my blood pressure down. Yikes is right.

647 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:07:56pm
648 katemaclaren  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:08:11pm

re: #630 Mars Needs Neocons

Crap that's right Lance is gone. We used to have great discussions way back.

...and a good night to you, Mars, who seems to be taking a crack at peacemaking! ;-)

649 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:08:18pm

re: #588 katemaclaren

Sad. hmm. The VC.
I called it as it seemed.

We don't need to delude ourselves, everything we need to know about Ciannaky is encapsulated in one short sentence.

This is considered discourse in conservative circles? Sad.

Typical elitist lefty defense. We [they] are so intellectually advanced, and the conservatives (no flavors?) are neanderthals by comparison.

This should be known as the nodrog assertion.

650 Mars Needs Neocons  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:08:24pm

re: #646 Intrepid

I whistle past those ones - keeps my blood pressure down. Yikes is right.

Tried a couple times, just not comfortable with fellow lizards cannibalizing each other.

651 Intrepid  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:08:25pm

re: #644 savage_nation

All Hell just broke loose 5 minutes ago.

Weather-wise? Or Jobass-wise?

652 Mars Needs Neocons  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:09:49pm

re: #648 katemaclaren

...and a good night to you, Mars, who seems to be taking a crack at peacemaking! ;-)

Hey, I think most of us are on the same side here on what matters. That's what counts in the long run. I've had a lot of friends leave this site for one reason or another and it starts to wear on people after a while.

Have a good one. See you all tomorrow. I'll try to keep up on my pda, but pages load awful slow.

653 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:10:01pm
654 Syrah  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:10:33pm

re: #644 savage_nation

So lets hope that jobass has enough smarts to huddle up in some decent shelter for a while.

Praise him when he does right.

Its important.

655 formercorpsman  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:10:48pm

re: #628 Ciannaky

Ciannaky, I would bat an eye.

That is where you are wrong.

I have become very suspicious of the culture at large.

Aside from conspiracy theories, each day, I become more uncomfortable with how things truly un-American fuse into the landscape.

Our Universities are churning this shit out regularly now, with the expressed intent of marginalizing the only Democratic nation in the region.

Their hands are stained from the blood money they accept in the name of "studies" while having students coordinate protests against human rights in either country.

It is no mistake, elements such as this, make gains not by leaps and bounds, but by inches prayed upon by the ignorant who forget the past.

By making this something that Rachel is wearing in a doughnut commercial, it takes some of the sting away from our recollection for realizing these same monsters threw a man in a wheelchair over the deck of a cruise ship.

It needs to be confronted.

656 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:13:43pm
657 Syrah  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:14:02pm

Well friends, . . .

i am in violation of the Iron Fist Rule.

Can can't spell or type f'er shit.

(spell check is great stuff!)

Good night all

Stay safe Savage.

Be good to jobass when he deserves it. He will need your respect.

Help him earn it.

658 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:15:20pm

re: #653 savage_nation

Weather-wise.

We just lost all our power. I'm on battery power on the laptop

Next and possibly stronger phase may be within 30-40 minutes from now. Maybe even sooner.

659 uptight  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:15:22pm

re: #598 Intrepid

Thanks for the informational post, uptight. I must admit to not knowing so much about the rise in this type of political fashion statement. Until a couple years ago I lived in Asia. And I'm pretty new here at LGF, too. I am still trying to grow a thicker, scalier skin. It appears to be a necessity.

I worked with and am still dear friends with scores of Middle Easterners (all Christians) and they wear keffiyeh when it's expedient, and when weather demands it. Not the Pali kind, of course. But to me it's just always been an issue of ME dress, regardless of the religious or political affiliation.

It would be here too - were it not for the those three elements:

1) the terrorists who wear it in battle
2) the leftist who wear it to emulate the terrorists
3) the fashion houses that sell it so their clients can emulate the leftists

660 Syrah  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:15:33pm

re: #656 savage_nation

Smarts? That POS is only out for himself, don't give a shit about anyone but him. He's got my kid in danger all because I came home for a few days.

Once that baby is born, I'll do everything in my power to make sure he never sees him/her. I dont give a fuck how cruel it is, this punkass is dangerous to everyone around him.

Keep a clear head.

If that is the right thing to do, then do it.

Just don't be rash.

661 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:16:09pm
662 Ciannaky  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:16:23pm

re: #649 really grumpy big dog Johnson

re: #649 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Oh you figured me out good didn't ya there grumpy? Anyone who doesn't agree to bow down to your false sense of superiority and suffer your name calling and ad hominems must be one of them thar pesky elitist's; is it cuz I use big wurds an such?

Does that sort of retort make me fit in any better?

663 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:20:00pm

re: #662 Ciannaky

re: #649 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Oh you figured me out good didn't ya there grumpy? Anyone who doesn't agree to bow down to your false sense of superiority and suffer your name calling and ad hominems must be one of them thar pesky elitist's; is it cuz I use big wurds an such?

Does that sort of retort make me fit in any better?

Ad-hominems? You think I just put a shot over your bow because you happened to be the one in the general vicinity? You are the one who made the bed you are sitting in right now, and it smells pretty stinky to me.

664 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:20:43pm
665 Mars Needs Neocons  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:20:43pm

re: #649 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Typical elitist lefty defense. We [they] are so intellectually advanced, and the conservatives (no flavors?) are neanderthals by comparison.

This should be known as the nodrog assertion.

Check out his youtube stuff, this guy is a good guy. (and it is him, his manner of writing doesn't alter) Give him a chance on some other threads, I think he'll prove himself. (I've only been wrong once on here about someone.) LOL

666 formercorpsman  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:21:54pm

Kitchen.

667 formercorpsman  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:23:10pm

re: #666 formercorpsman

Oh good lord.

My inference to heat.

Kitchen, and it is post #666.

668 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:23:17pm

re: #627 Intrepid

Bingo! Thanks.

669 jaunte  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:23:30pm

re: #666 formercorpsman

You're on fire tonight.

670 Ciannaky  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:23:51pm

re: #655 formercorpsman

Totally agree corpsman, the commies have been brainwashing our youth to this kind of bs for forty years. I got into it on Hotair recently with a twit who tried deny the lefts penchant for antisemitism. My response was that they are inundated with idealism from orientation until graduation and therefore side with anything resembling class struggles.

I'm just saying that a Home Ec bimbo more than likely didn't sub in Poli Sci and the makeup girl is more concerned with whether the latest Revlon products were tested on bunnies rather than what made Arafat fabulous. /sarc.

671 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:23:53pm
672 Mars Needs Neocons  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:23:57pm

re: #667 formercorpsman

Oh good lord.

My inference to heat.

Kitchen, and it is post #666.

LOL

Anyway I've been up over an hour past my bedtime and I'd rather not get up to bannings tomorrow. Night all.

673 Ciannaky  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:27:38pm

re: #665 Mars Needs Neocons

Thanks Mars, and goodnight.

674 Intrepid  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:27:55pm

re: #668 Bob in Breckenridge

Bingo! Thanks.

De nada.

675 formercorpsman  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:29:40pm

re: #670 Ciannaky

So I guess you understand why folks are less tolerant for wanting to hear how this is not the same as watching people like Ricky Martin, Howard Dean, and the like are under different auspices than Arafat?

676 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:30:00pm

re: #665 Mars Needs Neocons

Check out his youtube stuff, this guy is a good guy. (and it is him, his manner of writing doesn't alter) Give him a chance on some other threads, I think he'll prove himself. (I've only been wrong once on here about someone.) LOL

This isn't so easy to explain away. The reference to others as those in conservative circles goes over like a lead balloon to me. I can't figure out why it wouldn't have the same impact on others who are "just like me".

Anger is one thing and I agree we are slow to anger but I always thought that rationality was the bastion of right wing political thought; then there are responses like this
and as for you, newbie, I think you are just itchin' to be bitchin'. You have no idea what you are in for because the Lizard Army will not refuse the opportunity to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.

Is it just attention seeking or what? Nevermind. I know the answer.


This is considered discourse in conservative circles? Sad.

677 Mars Needs Neocons  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:30:22pm

re: #673 Ciannaky

Thanks Mars, and goodnight.

Not a problem. Just relax a little and I think you'll find things are a little less hostile than they seem. I see on your youtube you are busy fighting the good fight against the wave of moonbats and islamofascists who look at your vids, just don't take offense quite so quick here, we're not out to attack quite as much as the ones you deal with daily. LOL

678 Ciannaky  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:30:37pm

And any of you fools who think I am a terrorist sympathizer would like to see what Mars is referring to I suggest you peruse this exchange.

679 Ciannaky  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:31:39pm

re: #675 formercorpsman

Just saying that we should hold ourselves to a higher standard.

680 Mars Needs Neocons  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:32:47pm

re: #676 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I think he gets irritated quite quickly and says things in a way that may not be the best. But, read what he's written, it's just his style, he'll grow out of it. I've seen it several times. I've also seen people who didn't grow out of it, and they all eventually got whalloped by the banning stick.

Have a good one big dog, see you on the morrow.

681 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:34:26pm

re: #678 Ciannaky

And any of you fools who think I am a terrorist sympathizer would like to see what Mars is referring to I suggest you peruse this exchange.

I've read enough of you for one night. Maybe later I'll go see what you have referenced.

Not tonight though. I like my impressions to sink in first.

682 Ciannaky  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:35:51pm

re: #681 really grumpy big dog Johnson

What are you afraid of, being proved wrong?

683 Mars Needs Neocons  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:38:01pm

re: #679 Ciannaky

Just saying that we should hold ourselves to a higher standard.

One reason this is so personal to me, I have to constantly remind my wife and father not to lower yourself to their level or you become more like them, it also takes away the attention from the facts of your argument.

I like points like re: #567 uptight

this. Agree or disagree the point was well stated. The thing is as I said earlier, whether or not this was intentional, someone along the line (being conscious of fashion), knew what this looked like and should have called foul.

684 Intrepid  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:38:22pm

Holy crap! Talk about a slug fest! Youtube battles get down and dirty...

And the moonbats really don't like facts at all there. They can't even debate with facts, only ATTACK!

Ciannaky, things get lively here - and there are those who are extremely convinced of their own positions and find it nigh impossible to back off of 'em - but give it time. I've been here less than a couple months, and I'm still finding my way around.

685 Ciannaky  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:38:50pm

re: #681 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I may be a bit of a hot head but I don't take kindly to bs attacks because I happen to disagree with a point of view, but I am every bit a RED blooded American as anyone on this site and my red blood boils with this type of futile stupidity.

686 Mars Needs Neocons  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:39:23pm

re: #684 Intrepid

Holy crap! Talk about a slug fest! Youtube battles get down and dirty...

And the moonbats really don't like facts at all there. They can't even debate with facts, only ATTACK!

Ciannaky, things get lively here - and there are those who are extremely convinced of their own positions and find it nigh impossible to back off of 'em - but give it time. I've been here less than a couple months, and I'm still finding my way around.

Nice huh, I understand why he is able to know how KOS thinks without having been there or at Kos. He's dealing with fact-free dipshits all the time.

687 formercorpsman  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:39:57pm

re: #679 Ciannaky

And I think, in light of every example I gave you, perhaps some people have decided to look past the bullshit of moral equivalence, nuance, and excusing the latest fashion trends passing as subtle approval.

Ciannaky, the very people who hold this scarf dear to their heart, and the same folks who jumped up and down with joy, and passed out candy, at the site of people who had just made their farewell calls to family, knowing they were dying in a towering inferno, or hoping they pass out before reaching the ground and experiencing the end, on what was an others wise beautiful morning.

I have no tolerance for this anymore.

I don't care about moral equivalence.

I have the crowd of the generation behind me feeding off the second course of the first gulf war.

What this represents, purple or not, has no place in our society.

688 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:41:35pm

Geez, and this is a Rachael Ray thread. What will happen when it gets serious, like ID v. Evolution.

/I avoid those threads.

689 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:41:50pm
690 Mars Needs Neocons  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:41:54pm

re: #684 Intrepid

Holy crap! Talk about a slug fest! Youtube battles get down and dirty...

And the moonbats really don't like facts at all there. They can't even debate with facts, only ATTACK!

Ciannaky, things get lively here - and there are those who are extremely convinced of their own positions and find it nigh impossible to back off of 'em - but give it time. I've been here less than a couple months, and I'm still finding my way around.

He's also lucky he's still there. Youtube is notoriously unforgiving of conservative and anti-pali views.

691 formercorpsman  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:41:58pm

re: #688 Bob in Breckenridge

You sissy.

692 Ciannaky  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:41:59pm

Guy, I don't mean to lock horns with anyone here and try my best to answer foolishness with a hard kick in the pants with an encyclopedia tied to my boot. Just show me the same courtesy.

693 Mars Needs Neocons  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:44:15pm

Now if we're all done with the cock fight I'm really going to bed now.

694 Ciannaky  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:45:05pm

re: #689 savage_nation

I'm not trying to spin, just pointing out to anyone who has ever been to the ME could not possibly mistake that foolish scarf for an actual Keffiyeh. Close but no cigar.

695 formercorpsman  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:45:20pm

Exfil.

696 Intrepid  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:46:44pm

re: #695 formercorpsman

Exfil.

Is that like the kitchen?

697 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:47:22pm
698 Ciannaky  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:51:21pm

re: #697 savage_nation


But they wear that crap.

And only about ten percent even know what it means, I was approached at a parade by one such idiot in South Boston (St. Paddy's Day) for an interview, I refused to talk to him because he was wearing one and he had no clue why I snubbed him over his scarf. Some people are just stupid.

699 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:54:39pm

re: #691 formercorpsman

You sissy.

Did you notice the sarc tag, moron?

700 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:54:44pm
701 Ciannaky  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:55:37pm

re: #698 Ciannaky

Hell most of these fools don't even know who Che is but they like the shirt. I asked one chic at Redbones if she knew where he got the scar from, she looked at me and said what scar?

Apparetly she was unaware that Guevara was a pussy who tried to off himself and failed.

702 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:57:30pm

re: #691 formercorpsman

WELL, DID YOU? STFU!

703 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:57:35pm
704 NY Nana  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:57:39pm

re: #277 ploome hineni

She is alleged to be a really nasty beyatch off screen, and the crew are not happy, to say the least.

Daughter knew about her before the show started...and refuses to watch her.

705 NY Nana  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:00:06pm

re: #687 formercorpsman

Sorry that I could only plus you once. Excellent post.

706 Ciannaky  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:01:22pm
Long live the Bolivian Army!


Hey, we got him cornered and left the photo - op for them.

Can't wait to see OBL and Dr Death striking a similar pose soon.

Like I said, I could never be mistaken for a lefty, commie or hippy; just
don't happen to agree with this controversy.

707 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:01:29pm

re: #704 NY Nana

Whose daughter?

708 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:02:27pm
709 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:05:01pm

re: #708 savage_nation

Well, good night all. I'm gonna get in the car and find my daughter. They aren't back yet and she has the cellphone turned off.

Wish me luck.

You need to get her a GPS cellphone for a b-day present, savage. Remember Uncle Buck as you search!

710 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:06:41pm
711 NY Nana  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:10:13pm

re: #353 CapeCoddah

Massachusetts is not a state! I grew up there. I have the scars to prove it...the drivers are a menace to humanity! ;)

712 NY Nana  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:13:34pm

re: #707 Bob in Breckenridge

Whose daughter?

Mine. She was in publishing, VP at age 30, all the perks, etc., until Sept. 11. She still has friends in the industry, and has totally re-prioritized her life.

She saw it happening from a subway car going over a bridge, on her way into the city.....the first plane went in.

713 AsianObserver  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:13:59pm

LGF might be interested in putting up a thread about the renewed British UCU boycott-Israel activity, before the Guardian does.

714 Ciannaky  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:19:11pm

re: #687 formercorpsman


Ciannaky, the very people who hold this scarf dear to their heart, and the same folks who jumped up and down with joy, and passed out candy, at the site of people who had just made their farewell calls to family, knowing they were dying in a towering inferno, or hoping they pass out before reaching the ground and experiencing the end, on what was an others wise beautiful morning.

I have no tolerance for this anymore.

I don't care about moral equivalence.

I have the crowd of the generation behind me feeding off the second course of the first gulf war.

What this represents, purple or not, has no place in our society.

I'm sorry I did not get back to your point; I agree it is a valid one. The style most assuredly could be construed as offensive due to the resemblance to the checkered scarf worn by Arafat.

My point is simply that a fedora can look a lot like a rifleman stetson, both have similar shaped brim and peak yet one could never mistake an Italian rain hat for a Midwest gunman's. My aim was not to poo-poo yours and everybody else's sensitivities but to moderate it with a little bit of alternative perspective and rationality.

715 jaunte  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:23:06pm

re: #714 Ciannaky

My aim was not to poo-poo yours and everybody else's sensitivities but to moderate it with a little bit of alternative perspective and rationality.
The front end and the back end of your sentence don't fit together.

716 Ciannaky  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:24:35pm

re: #715 jaunte

Sorry, Tequila and exhaustion.

717 Ciannaky  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:25:59pm

I've been attacked from all angles and the sleepy's are getting the best of me.

718 jaunte  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:28:40pm

Goodnight all.

719 Green Helmet Guy  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:29:22am

Wikipedia: Rachael Ray

In March 2007, Dunkin' Donuts announced Ray as its new pitchwoman.[20] Ray describes Dunkin' Donuts' coffee as "fantabulous." In late May 2008, after conservative Fox News commentator Michelle Malkin noted the scarf looked like a keffiyeh,[21][22] Dunkin' Donuts announced that it had removed a television ad from circulation. Some believe the keffiyeh, a traditional headdress worn by Arab men, has become an activist symbol of Palestinian solidarity.[23] It later came to light that the scarf was actually paisley, and was not a kaffiyeh.[24]

720 Green Helmet Guy  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:52:33am

Someone needs to make an up to date "keffiyeh resource" (unless this already exists) which includes pictures of who wears em. From: Arafat, Hamas and Hezbollah (especially the hezb. pics a la "Nuremberg rally" with keffiyehs and goose steps) to Leftards going to "destroy Israel" Rallies donning Keffiyehs along with "from the river to the sea" Tee-shirts.

This resource should also include videos and pics of our beloved Islamic radicals in their keffiyeh in action, i.e. preaching "wonderful" things about Christians and Jews of course... as well as their Leftard compatriots wearing their Keffiyeh chich at the "destroy Israel rallies" chanting "from the river to the sea..."

Zombies blog would be an excellent starting point...

721 ASU86PE  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:58:22am

First the word is "Shawl". And yes, the style is attributed to terrorist. She was stupid to wear it.

722 freedombilly  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:10:09am

Aside from this, Rachel Ray could be the most annoying person on television. And I don't know why I'm saying could be.

723 deportman  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:16:44am

The clowns at the Boston Globe chime in on the controversy, and attacks LGF:


May 30, 2008
more stories like thisRACHAEL RAY better not be whipping up any falafel dishes on her TV show, now that she's been fingered as a sympathizer for Islamic jihad. What, you didn't know the perky Food Network superstar was aiding the terrorists? Then you must not be a regular reader of Michelle Malkin or Little Green Footballs, conservative blogs that outed Ray this week for wearing a keffiyeh in an ad for Dunkin' Donuts. The keffiyeh is a traditional scarf worn by Yasser Arafat and other Arab men - or, to Malkin, an example of "hate couture." Never mind that Ray's fringed scarf does not appear to be an actual keffiyeh. Amid the furor, the Canton-based Dunkin' Donuts pulled the ad, "given the possibility of misperception." What's next, banning Dunkin's poppy seed bagels because they're symbols of Afghan narcoterrorists?

© Copyright 2008 Globe Newspaper Company.
more stories like this

724 ichef  Fri, May 30, 2008 8:12:35am

Anthony Bourdian (a real chef) calls RR a "bobblehead" and I agree. I caught the end of her show once and when she used smashed up corn chips to "thicken the soup" that was enough for me. Anybody that can put out 30 or so cookbooks in 2 years is just generating a bunch of low quality crap and going for a buck. As far as quality recipes go I always suggest The Family Cookbook by America's Test Kitchen, it's wonderful step-by-step guide with extremely tested and well crafted recipes.
As far as the "scarf" I'm not surprised, anything for a buck.

725 TalkinKamel  Fri, May 30, 2008 8:29:36am

re: #714 Ciannaky

Perspective on what?

Formercorpsman's right; this is the symbol of the people who were dancing for joy on 9/11, over the deaths of 3,000 Americans.

A fedora can look like a rifleman's stetson, and---and---and---so what? We know why moonbats sport this scarf, and what it symbolizes.

726 Alibaba  Fri, May 30, 2008 8:43:16am

Last night the stupid Greta Van Sustern was trying to defend Ray and said that the people objecting have "too much time on their hands." Greta should go back to Anna Nicole Smith stories. She also allowed somebody to call Michelle Malkin a "right winger " as in "vast right wing conspiracy." re: #13 psyop

727 Alibaba  Fri, May 30, 2008 8:46:43am

re: #31 Charles
Excellent!

728 Alibaba  Fri, May 30, 2008 8:51:44am

re: #723 deportman
Oh, the Boston Globe is so, P.C.!

729 NCusTranshumanist  Fri, May 30, 2008 10:17:06am

I've seen the picture, and I'm still not seeing the kaffiyeh-ness of it, other than being white with black or dark blue on it, but the pattern doesn't look anything like one.

730 NCusTranshumanist  Fri, May 30, 2008 10:19:56am

Still prefer Alton Brown, though.


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