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Obama 'Deeply Disappointed,' Had No Idea, Shocked

Thu, May 29, 2008 at 9:09:12 pm PDT

Barack Obama is “deeply disappointed” by another hate preacher tonight—another hate preacher that he apparently just learned about for the first time today, despite attending Trinity United Church for 20 years: Obama distances himself from another clergyman after speech.

CHICAGO - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said Thursday that he was “deeply disappointed” by a supporter’s sermon at his church that mocked Hillary Rodham Clinton.

The Rev. Michael Pfleger, a Chicago activist, also apologized for last Sunday’s sermon at Obama’s church, in which he said Clinton’s eyes welled with tears before the New Hampshire primary because she felt “entitled” to the Democratic nomination and because “there’s a black man stealing my show.”

In video circulating on the Internet, Pfleger said the former first lady expected to win the nomination before Obama’s sudden popularity.

“She just always thought that, ‘This is mine. I’m Bill’s wife. I’m white.’ ... And then, out of nowhere, came ‘Hey, I’m Barack Obama.” And she said, ‘Oh damn, where did you come from? I’m white. I’m entitled. There’s a black man stealing my show,’“ Pfleger said at Trinity United Church of Christ.

He then went on to parody Clinton, sobbing and wiping his face with a handkerchief.

”She wasn’t the only one crying,“ he said. ”There was a whole lot of white people crying.“

Obama won the Iowa caucuses, the first contest of the nominating season, in January. Days later, Clinton’s eyes brimmed with tears and her voice broke as she talked with New Hampshire voters on the eve of the primary, which she won.

Obama said he was ”deeply disappointed“ by Pfleger’s comments.

UPDATE at 5/29/08 9:21:26 pm:

Disappointed.

Typical of Mr. Obama’s earmarks was a $100,000 grant for a youth center at a Catholic church run by the Rev. Michael Pfleger, a controversial priest who was one of the few South Side clergymen to back Mr. Obama against Mr. Rush.

Father Pfleger has long worked with South Side political leaders to reduce crime and improve the community. But he has drawn fire from some quarters for defending the Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan and inviting him to speak at his church. Father Pfleger, who did not return calls for comment, is one of the religious leaders whose “faith testimonials” Mr. Obama has posted on his presidential campaign Web site.

David Axelrod, the chief strategist for the Obama presidential campaign, said that Father Pfleger was “remaking the face” of Chicago’s South Side and that all of Mr. Obama’s earmarks went to worthy programs like his.

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1 aunursa  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:10:20pm

How are these distractions helping Michelle Obama's kids?

2 Desert Dog  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:10:21pm

I agree, he is

deeply disturbed

if he wants us to believe that lie

3 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:10:27pm
4 RememberSekhmet?  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:12:08pm

I call BS!

5 jaunte  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:13:39pm

He's deeply disappointed that these comments were noticed.

6 MandyManners  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:14:57pm

re: #1 aunursa

How are these distractions helping Michelle Obama's kids?

Badly. She's broken several waffle irons lately and the kids are getting tired of oatmeal.

7 Intrepid  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:15:38pm

He was equally as shocked when he was reminded that he helped out ol' Father Pfleger with a 100 large earmark - for the Father's youth outreach, of course.

NRO report from NYT article

8 AZfederalist  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:15:54pm

Should we even consider letting someone so apparently clueless anywhere near the White House?

9 Noam Sayin'  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:16:00pm

This just keeps getting better.

10 hadanuf  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:16:19pm

If this were a white republican who attended a white racist church for one day, the press would have hounded the person out of politics. What the hell?

11 bystander  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:16:43pm

I'm deeply disappointed that America can't see right through this phoney.

Looks like that racist "church's" chickens are coming home to roost (and shit) right on Obama himself.

12 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:16:50pm
13 Sharmuta  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:16:56pm
Obama said he was ”deeply disappointed" by Pfleger’s comments.

"Disappointed"? How about outrage? After sitting in that church for 20 years, he didn't see anything like this coming? If he expects me to believe he had no idea rhetoric like this was used in his church I would have to say I'd be "deeply disappointed".

14 Racer X  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:17:25pm

Stop making this about race.

The left said, with a smirk.

15 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:18:42pm

He's shocked SHOCKED that there is gambling racism at Rick's the Trinity United Church

16 pat  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:18:51pm

What the hell is he talking about? He has known this lunatic with a fake black accent for 20 years. The guy flies around the country giving speeches for Obama and was a fellow traveler in the commie party when Obama ran in 1996. That was 12 years ago folks. And from the crazy, bizarre chanting and cheering from the fellow Trinity Bigots, it is clear this guy is a known entity.

17 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:19:52pm

I just heard Michael Savage say Obama smokes. True?

18 hermeneutics  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:20:40pm

re: #17 Bob in Breckenridge

I recall reading somewhere that he had quit smoking a while ago.

19 Adrenalyn  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:21:03pm

is this a race or an election ?

its all about race, race, race

the MSM is going to have to stop calling this Presidential race a race
to avoid the word

even though half the bobble heads can't say "election" without tripping over their tongues they're going to have to find a new word for this "contest" or whatever they come up with

like the "gravitas" word they coined when Cheney was named Veep-running mate

20 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:21:22pm

re: #10 hadanuf

If this were a white republican who attended a white racist church for one day, the press would have hounded the person out of politics. What the hell?

Lou Reed said this well, in a song based on a previous election:
"If I ran for president and once was a member of the Klan
Wouldn't you call me on it, the way I call you on Farrakhan?"

21 spikester  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:21:26pm

This shit goes on forever and the party never ends!

22 jaunte  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:21:46pm

re: #17 Bob in Breckenridge

Here's a link:
[Link: www.reason.com...]
He says he quit.

23 DesertSage  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:22:21pm

re: #17 Bob in Breckenridge

I just heard Michael Savage say Obama smokes. True?

I think he quit a while back, but he's been slipping lately. All the pressure, you know.

24 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:23:19pm
25 Sharmuta  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:23:37pm
David Axelrod, the chief strategist for the Obama presidential campaign, said that Father Pfleger was “remaking the face” of Chicago’s South Side and that all of Mr. Obama’s earmarks went to worthy programs like his.

I'm deeply disappointed.

26 RTLM  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:23:38pm

If there is a pile of crap anywhere in his radius, Obama will find, step in it and walk all over the carpet.

27 cavallino_rampante  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:24:03pm

Can you say bologna? BO had an earmark for this pastor's church for
$100k. He knew.

28 Intrepid  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:24:25pm

re: #17 Bob in Breckenridge

I just heard Michael Savage say Obama smokes. True?

Heard today he's on a nicotine patch - I think it was ABC news.

29 bystander  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:25:08pm

Where are all the leftards now, with their incessant demand for "separation of church and state?"

30 Adrenalyn  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:25:09pm

re: #26 RTLM

If there is a pile of crap anywhere in his radius, Obama will find, step in it and walk all over the carpet.

well said, a check mark for you !

31 RTLM  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:27:08pm

Obama reminds me of someone

32 Miss Molly  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:27:16pm

Barak doesn't know him all that well? He has worked with him and been friends with him for years as everyone in that area knows. Barak must think we are so stupid that we can not figure out he got in bed with these people long ago to win his first election with plans to move on up as soon as he could.

Again -- how many days did he actually work in the Senate before he decided to run for President. I think 142 days! Please remind all those who support this guy because the Dems go crazy when you mention his extreme inexperience and then back this up with real facts.

33 realwest  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:28:15pm

So who needs Rezko to prove that Obama is as corrupt as the day is long?
Obama's just another two-bit Chicago machine politician and, at the risk of supporting Geraldine Ferraro, whom I dislike intensely from my NYC days, if Obama wasn't black he'd a been gone looong before now.

34 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:28:20pm
35 zmdavid  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:28:39pm

From a year ago:
ISRA: Chicago Priest Calls for Murder of Gun Shop Owner

I'm pretty sure Pfleger apologized for it though.

36 Racer X  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:29:09pm

OT

Marines are passing out coins imprinted with a Christian verse to Muslims in Iraq, and they are not happy about it. In fact they are seething.

37 Intrepid  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:29:32pm

With so many pastors under the bus, there's gonna be a revival soon!

38 spikester  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:29:54pm

re: #32 Miss Molly

"these people"

don't think we can say that...without being "typical"

39 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:31:16pm
40 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:32:13pm

re: #33 realwest

So who needs Rezko to prove that Obama is as corrupt as the day is long?
Obama's just another two-bit Chicago machine politician and, at the risk of supporting Geraldine Ferraro, whom I dislike intensely from my NYC days, if Obama wasn't black he'd a been gone looong before now.

Not only would he be gone, real, he NEVER would have been a serious candidate. He only is because of white liberal guilt and young skulls full of mush.

41 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:33:13pm

re: #35 zmdavid

Actually, he claimed he didn't know what "snuffed out" meant, david.

42 realwest  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:33:38pm

re: #35 zmdavid Uh, if he identified that gun shop owner by name or by the name of the shop he owns, then I'm pretty sure he's broken either Chicago law, Illinois law and Federal law.
Calling for the murder of another named or identified person is against the law.
But of course the Dem's own Chicago and Illinois politics so nothing will be done. For that matter, the Dem machine in Chicago owns the Catholic Church there, too, so don't expect the Cardinal to have anything to say to the right reverend Michael Pfleger, either.

43 DesertSage  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:33:52pm

re: #33 realwest

So who needs Rezko to prove that Obama is as corrupt as the day is long?
Obama's just another two-bit Chicago machine politician and, at the risk of supporting Geraldine Ferraro, whom I dislike intensely from my NYC days, if Obama wasn't black he'd a been gone looong before now.

Obama is black? Ya see, I never noticed the color of his skin...only the thinness of it.

Hat Tip - Dennis Miller

44 MrArchieBunker  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:34:34pm

If he can't control his preacher buddies how is he going to run an administration? Be afraid, be very afraid.

45 realwest  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:34:52pm

re: #41 Bob in Breckenridge Oh, yeah, he probably thought it had something to do with candles.

46 Sheridan8  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:34:59pm

Wow, how racist Obama must truly be absolutely scares me.

47 MrArchieBunker  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:35:49pm

Hey realwest, how ya been man ?

48 SpartanWoman  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:36:01pm

re: #44 MrArchieBunker

Well, I'm glad he can't control them. If he could we'd be in more trouble as a nation as we'd have only seen the glossy media veneer.

49 realwest  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:36:33pm

re: #47 MrArchieBunker
I've been ok, thanks, how's about yourself?

50 stevieray  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:37:08pm

The defenders of Obama claim these things are not important... that Obama doesn't say this stuff, so it doesn't count.

Well, Obama takes his children there. This church is their introduction to morality and religion. If he doesn't agree with these teachings, and this is only about street cred in the South Side of Chicago, then he is a heinous parent... poisoning his own children's minds for his political career. If he does agree with these teachings... well, its game over. He is unfit to hold any elected office anywhere, let alone the Presidency.

He can't plead ignorance, and he can't deny the hate. He's got himself in a damn small box, and the walls are closing in.

51 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:37:20pm

re: #45 realwest

Oh, yeah, he probably thought it had something to do with candles.

I'm just telling you what Pfleger said...

52 jaunte  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:38:04pm

Here's a more complete transcript of the "snuff" remarks:
[Link: newsblogs.chicagotribune.com...]

53 Neo Con since 9-11  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:38:04pm

Grandma meet Rev. Wright. Rev. Wright meet Father Michael Pfleger. Father Michael Pfleger meet bus.

54 MrArchieBunker  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:38:05pm

re: #48 SpartanWoman

Great point. Either this Pfleger character is a total whack job or he is intentionally undermining Obama. I vote for the former.

55 Fenway_Nation  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:38:34pm

Expect a contrived comparison with another preacher who says some stupid and/or hateful shit endorsing McCain- not McCain's parrish priest or one he earmarked $100K in funds for- within 48 hours. Maybe they can coax some sort of public endorsement from Rev Fred Phelps or one of his parishoners.....

56 jaunte  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:39:04pm
"I want the NRA to understand you have a lot of money. But money can’t buy moral authority. And it can not buy justice or freedom And we will fight you, NRA. We will fight you on every angle. No matter how much money you’ve got. We will embarrass you and we will embarrass every legislator that takes your money from you. We will call their house by name by district we will expose you legislators.

Secondly, John Riggio. He’s the owner of Chucks. John Riggio R-I-G-G-I-O. We’re gonna find you and snuff you out. You can’t keep hiding ‘cause you’re afraid.

You know (indecipherable noise) .... against the law. You wouldn’t have a business. You wouldn't have a (indecipherable noise).... in front of your door because you know you’ve got to hide. Like a rat you’re gonna hide but like a rat we’re gonna snuff you and pull you out.

We are not going to allow you to (more noise)... when we’re here. Understand that this is not going to go away. ... Whatever it takes to shut this gun store down. And shut down this legislation. We’re gonna snuff out John Riggio. We’re gonna snuff out legislators against our gun laws. And we’re coming for you because we’re not going to sit idly. Keep on fighting. Keep on fighting. Keep on fighting."


[Link: newsblogs.chicagotribune.com...]

57 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:39:06pm
58 SpartanWoman  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:39:17pm

re: #54 MrArchieBunker

I vote low-life opportunist, actually

59 MrArchieBunker  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:39:29pm

Doing well realwest thanks, they made me take some vacation time, working is in my DNA I guess.

60 Racer X  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:39:48pm

Hillary you magnificent bitch!

61 realwest  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:40:50pm

FWLIW - this is how I see it: Obama gets the nomination, McCain takes the high road and winds up losing by a huge margin to Obama, the Dems win significant majorities in both houses of Congress and then, within a year, people on the left start getting seriously disillusioned with Obama cause there won't be any CHANGE or HOPE left.
Then the Repubs take back BOTH house of Congress in 2010 and the presidency in 2012.

CAVEAT: The foregoing doesn't take into account what disillusioned Hillary fans voters will or will not do on election day; my guess is they vote for Obama or stay home.

62 jaunte  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:41:39pm

re: #57 savage_nation

At least one Cardinal has made a statement:

Cardinal Francis George has taken an unusual step: issuing a statement about the Archdiocese of Chicago’s activist priest, the Rev. Michael Pfleger, for comments he made at an anti-gun rally.

It is the latest episode in longstanding tensions between George and Pfleger, who have clashed over everything from doctrine to politics.

Pfleger said Thursday, “I thought things were getting better.”

The cardinal said in his statement: “Publicly delivering a threat against anyone’s life betrays the civil order and is morally outrageous, especially if this threat came from a priest.”


[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

63 Miss Molly  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:41:59pm

Sorry about the comment "these people". Some Obama supporters are quite passionate as they have a right to be. I do not agree with their ideas but they do have a right to express those ideas.

64 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:42:05pm

What I got from Pfleger's video was a strong impression of disgusting fakery. What a cheesy demagogue this guy is - a freaking walking cartoon character. Frankly, any people dumb enough to fall for his schtick probably aren't smart enough to operate a voting machine anyway.

65 hermeneutics  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:42:21pm

re: #56 jaunte

Let me guess ... he went to the University of Chicago Divinity School?

66 itellu3times  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:42:26pm

I still don't see what's wack about saying that Hillary thought she was entitled. The racist part, that she was entitled as white, over someone who is black? I'M not going to deny that that was Hillary's belief, are you? Even if she would never *quite* say it out loud or nuthin.

67 realwest  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:42:42pm

re: #51 Bob in Breckenridge Oh I know that Bob - it just sickens me no end that a supposed man of the cloth
(mainstream cloth, no less) would call for the death of a gun shop owner and the members of the Illinois legislature who are pro-gun and gets away with it with a stupid excuse like that.

68 zmdavid  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:43:04pm

Cardinal rebukes Pfleger for 'threat'

It sounds like not much changed after the rebuke.

69 Izzy Dunne  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:43:07pm

re: #23 DesertSage

He smokes Arugula now.

70 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:43:26pm

re: #53 Neo Con since 9-11

Grandma meet Rev. Wright. Rev. Wright meet Father Michael Pfleger. Father Michael Pfleger meet bus.

Jerome Bettis? Why bring him into this?

71 Neo Con since 9-11  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:43:46pm

re: #61 realwest

FWLIW - this is how I see it: Obama gets the nomination, McCain takes the high road and winds up losing by a huge margin to Obama, the Dems win significant majorities in both houses of Congress and then, within a year, people on the left start getting seriously disillusioned with Obama cause there won't be any CHANGE or HOPE left.
Then the Repubs take back BOTH house of Congress in 2010 and the presidency in 2012.

CAVEAT: The foregoing doesn't take into account what disillusioned Hillary fans voters will or will not do on election day; my guess is they vote for Obama or stay home.

For what it's worth I'd prefer that to a McCain win.

72 Pastorius  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:43:52pm

When will Obama come out and admit that the person he is really disappointed in is himself?

73 gennyk  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:44:42pm

It's getting really, really, old listening to Obama's repeated expressions of shock and disappointment about the obvious. What a crock! You would think that if he were truly 'shocked' he'd also be 'pissed' not just sadly disappointed. He can't seem to muster more than a big sigh over all the outrageous and hateful things being preached in his church. Early on I had seriously considered voting for him. But, at this point the idea of he and his dubious associates leading the country is a frightful thought. I just read that Zbignew Brezinski was on his team. Another frightful thought. Wasn't he part of Carter's brilliant foreign policy - "Oh, I think I'll lock myself in the White House and not come out until Iran frees our hostages. Boy, that will really teach those Iranians." The jerk spent the rest of his term in office locked in his room. He had it almost right, he did stay until they were freed . . . almost. Weren't they set free the day Reagan was sworn in?

74 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:44:42pm
75 MrArchieBunker  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:45:11pm

I was (and still am to an extent) worried about McCain's obvious deficits...however this is like Chinese water torture to the Obama candidacy. Or death by a thousand cuts, take your pick. Like Paul Begala said, the egghead and African-American just wont cut it.

76 SpartanWoman  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:45:17pm

re: #61 realwest


And during those 4 years, Iran gets the bomb and the dems sit idly as Israel is nuked,the entire Mideast falls into the hands of jihadis, Obama appoints several far left judges to the USSC, The oil industry, pharma, etc are nationalized in the name of fair prices, the Fairness Doctrine gets reinstituted, and I could go on.

It's all very nice to jump on the "Four years of Carter led to Reagan" bandwagon, but I think the potential costs of the worst case scenario are too high.

77 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:45:24pm

re: #57 savage_nation

Any idea if Pope Benedict knows of this POS masquerading as a Catholic priest?

I know Francis Cardinal George, the Arch-Bishop of Chicago is aware of him.

78 hermeneutics  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:46:23pm

In heirarchical churches such as the Roman Catholic, doesn't the Cardinal have the power to "defrock" Pfleger? If so, why doesn't he just get rid of him?

79 jaunte  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:46:24pm

Pfleger said he didn't know the word "snuff" was slang for "killing."
How many Novenas for lying?

80 realwest  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:46:51pm

re: #71 Neo Con since 9-11 Sorry - I sure as hell wouldn't prefer that to a McCain win - Obama and the Dem Congress could do a HELL of a lot of damage to our nation in two years.

81 Racer X  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:46:55pm

re: #76 SpartanWoman

Yes but we will all end up with nice government jobs. OK maybe not so nice.

82 SpartanWoman  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:47:25pm

re: #80 realwest

Yep

83 Neo Con since 9-11  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:47:48pm

re: #70 Bob in Breckenridge

Jerome Bettis? Why bring him into this?

{Groans} Now that it's full under The Bus, Obama will need to store his next casualty in The Fridge.

84 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:49:07pm
85 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:49:15pm

re: #65 hermeneutics

Let me guess ... he went to the University of Chicago Divinity School?

Catholic priests go to seminaries, educational institutions run by the church specifically for educating priests.

86 Fenway_Nation  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:50:00pm

'Liberation theology' at its finest with some 'Aposotlic Socialism' (Jim Jones' favorite kind!) thrown in for good measure....

87 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:50:18pm

re: #79 jaunte

Pfleger said he didn't know the word "snuff" was slang for "killing."
How many Novenas for lying?

/I had a 1970 Chevy Novena. That car was fast!

88 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:50:41pm
89 wolfie  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:50:53pm

re: #66 itellu3times

I still don't see what's wack about saying that Hillary thought she was entitled. The racist part, that she was entitled as white, over someone who is black? I'M not going to deny that that was Hillary's belief, are you? Even if she would never *quite* say it out loud or nuthin.

I am going to deny it, or at least state that I don't believe it. Hillary's sense of entitlement, IMHO, had absolutely nothing to do with race. She was supposed to crowned, dammit, and someone usurped her throne. Doesn't matter if the Usurper is male, female, purple or Bulgarian.

90 gibsonz  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:50:55pm

Wow... Obama seems to have a mighty large closet,things keep crawling out of it at an alarming rate...time to trot out another relative to throw under the bus.

91 Inquisitive  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:51:42pm

I'm sorry but I just can't understand how anybody can still be supporting Obama. Obama elected as President would be our worst nightmare that any of us could ever imagine. I actually have great fear for our country and the people here if he is elected.

92 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:52:01pm

re: #88 savage_nation

283?

Nope, just one. that was all I could afford. : )

93 hermeneutics  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:52:03pm

Thank you Texans ... Baselice Texas has McCain at 52% and Obama at 36%.

Nice.

94 Intrepid  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:52:08pm

Didn't the church defrock a few priests down in Central/South America a few years back? Either because of the Social Gospel thing in El Salvador, or the Catholicism/voodoo combo in Brazil? Or both?

95 Fenway_Nation  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:52:29pm

re: #90 gibsonz

Wow... Obama seems to have a mighty large closet,things keep crawling out of it at an alarming rate...time to trot out another relative to throw under the bus.

Maybe his great-uncle for not liberating Auschawitz?

96 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:52:45pm

re: #89 wolfie

I am going to deny it, or at least state that I don't believe it. Hillary's sense of entitlement, IMHO, had absolutely nothing to do with race. She was supposed to crowned, dammit, and someone usurped her throne. Doesn't matter if the Usurper is male, female, purple or Bulgarian.

Exactly!

97 Neo Con since 9-11  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:53:04pm

re: #80 realwest

Sorry - I sure as hell wouldn't prefer that to a McCain win - Obama and the Dem Congress could do a HELL of a lot of damage to our nation in two years.

McCain and a Dem congress would have 4-8 years to wreak havoc and I think the long term damage could be just as great. It's like taking off a bandage better to yank it off in 2 years and be done with it than pull it off slowly for 8 years

98 RememberSekhmet?  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:54:07pm

I just hope there's more sweet, yucky goodness for after the primary!


I'd need a barf bag, but not as big a barf bag as I'd need if Himbo Mc HopenChange wins

99 rusty_armor  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:54:46pm

I wonder how many more bigots that Obama sat at the feet of are going to appear ...

100 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:55:42pm
101 IslandLibertarian  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:55:53pm

LIAR!

NObama!

To borrow a spot on line; "They think we're stupid."

102 realwest  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:56:21pm

re: #97 Neo Con since 9-11 Sorry but I disagree. As liberal as McCain is, he's personally no where near the crook,liar, cheat and he does love America and so does his wife.
Compare and contrast to Obama and his lovely wife.

103 nigella  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:57:12pm

At least it got a mention on the headlines for AP.Of course they ran Obamas"disappointed" statement and that made it ok.As long as he says it it must be true, right?

104 jaunte  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:57:24pm

re: #93 hermeneutics

Sorry about the 36%. We'll work on it.

105 realwest  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:57:56pm

Well y'all it's been grand, even if the news has been exceptionally grim and I gotta go to bed now.

I hope all y'all have a GREAT NIGHT/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you down the road.

Goodnight, all.

106 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:59:19pm

re: #105 realwest

Well y'all it's been grand, even if the news has been exceptionally grim and I gotta go to bed now.

I hope all y'all have a GREAT NIGHT/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you down the road.

Goodnight, all.

Take care, real.

107 RememberSekhmet?  Thu, May 29, 2008 9:59:22pm

Weet Dreams Realwest!

108 Racer X  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:00:08pm

re: #99 rusty_armor

I wonder how many more bigots that Obama sat at the feet of are going to appear ...

We need more?

Tony Rezko
Rev. Wright
Bill Ayers
Rev. Pfleger

Heck, the Clintons are jealous at how slippery Obama is.

109 Neo Con since 9-11  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:00:42pm

Night RW and for what it's worth if it's O' v McCain I'll pull the lever for Mc but he shouldn't count on much other support.

110 SpartanWoman  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:01:16pm

I completely agree Realwest, Obama and company would be a total debacle, while McCain has a few good points and some like National Security, make life as we know it possible.

A nation under attack/hit with other 9-11s would be ripe for a revolution, but it might not be a Reagan they would seek

111 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:01:35pm

re: #26 RTLM

If there is a pile of crap anywhere in his radius, Obama will find, step in it and walk all over the carpet.

If BHO becomes the next POTUS then it wont be just him in a pile of crap, the whole nation will be in deep doodoo, and I dont think there is enough carpet shampoo in the whole of the universe, mars included, to clean up the mess a'coming

112 rusty_armor  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:01:51pm

I don't think I can bring myself to pull the lever FOR McCain. Instead, I'll pull the lever AGAINST Obama ...

113 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:01:57pm

re: #107 RememberSekhmet?

Weet Dreams Realwest!


If only

114 solomonpanting  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:03:52pm

One wonders if Obama's "failure" to hear what has been going down in his church all these years merely exemplifies his astute awareness of what's been going down with comments from Achmedinejab and otha brothas in the Mideast all these years.

115 sngnsgt  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:04:30pm

OT
Oh sh!t!

116 koza  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:05:07pm

re: #66 itellu3times

I fully agree. Whatever warts Pfleger may have, I do not see his comments about HRC as anything but insightful. Perhaps inflammatory, but insightful.

117 mchale  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:06:39pm

Vanilla Ice?!

118 Render  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:08:06pm

Chevy took the 283ci V-8 out of production in 1967. A 1970 Nova with a V-8 would have been a 350ci SB or a 402ci BB (built up 396 for the SS model).

===

I just knew Rev. Snuffy Pfleger was gonna end up in Obama's back pocket and then under the campaign bus sooner or later.

It's getting progressively more difficult to find a far Leftist freak that doesn't have a direct connection to the puppet named Obama.

===

Change? You want change? There is no such thing as spare change. Put your hand away, go get a job.

OVERNIGHT
SENSATION,
R

119 solomonpanting  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:08:08pm

re: #115 sngnsgt

OT
Oh sh!t!

Puts a new meaning to "space waste".
"Waste in Space"?

120 republic  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:10:33pm

re: #116 koza

I fully agree. Whatever warts Pfleger may have, I do not see his comments about HRC as anything but insightful. Perhaps inflammatory, but insightful.

It wasn't just what he said about Hillary, it was the completely racist statements, among others.

Pfleger was not long ago, using a bullhorn, standing next to the shakedown mega racist Jesse Jackson, calling on a crowd to "snuff out" the gunshop owner they were protesting outside of.

Pfleger is a worthless human being.

121 dammad  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:10:54pm

I live in this g-dforsaken city of Chicago - state of Illinois - county of Cook. "Father" Pfleger is an ass....Mayor Daley is an ass....Governor Blagojevich is an ass..Todd Stroger is an ass....Dick Durbin is an ass.....thus BARACK OBAMA IS A HUGE ASS! Notice? All effin Democrats. And my friends wonder why I vote Republican.

122 Catttt  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:10:55pm

Father Pf. sounds like he's out of the Jesuit Liberation Theology, which he is heartily applying to his poor, black parish. The Vatican has deemed this type of Liberation Theology as harmful and erroneous.

As a Catholic, I am utterly disgusted by this man. IMHO, he needs to go on a long timeout silent retreat.

I think every time Senator O's church gets onto youtube, the assembly, as a whole, behaves in a disgusting, haughty, prejudiced, embarrassing, and loathesomely unChristian manner.

123 zmdavid  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:11:19pm

OT
Did anyone else see Bill O'Reilly go nuts during the "Bernie and Jane" segment?

He thinks everyone at NBC News should quit.

124 RememberSekhmet?  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:12:13pm

re: #117 mchale

Vanilla Ice?!

Jim Carrey Does Vanilla Ice

125 MrArchieBunker  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:12:55pm

re: #123 zmdavid

I'd love to see video of that. I'm not a fan, but the man does have his moments.

126 republic  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:13:06pm

re: #122 Catttt

Father Pf. sounds like he's out of the Jesuit Liberation Theology, which he is heartily applying to his poor, black parish. The Vatican has deemed this type of Liberation Theology as harmful and erroneous.

As a Catholic, I am utterly disgusted by this man. IMHO, he needs to go on a long timeout silent retreat.

I think every time Senator O's church gets onto youtube, the assembly, as a whole, behaves in a disgusting, haughty, prejudiced, embarrassing, and loathesomely unChristian manner.


IMHO, he needs to go on a long timeout silent retreat.

I agree, forever would be just about the right amount of time.

127 Suzette  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:15:05pm

re: #122 Catttt

I agree Cattt. I have never ever seen a priest act as such.
/and have been to many masses with different priests.
I a retreat with the Monks on a mountain may help him reflect.

128 RTLM  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:16:20pm

I think Pfleger is a homosexual.

(/long shot)

129 Neo Con since 9-11  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:17:24pm

"America=rapist"
Obama's second best friend, Michael Pfleger.

130 Macker  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:17:34pm

OK Fellow Lizards! Barry is about to be inducted into the Footy Umpire Hall of Fame! Here's where YOU come in. I'm asking YOU to pick which caption gets him in:

#1: "G*d D*mn America for not letting me eat my waffle!

#2: "The one goal I have is to disarm the United States of America!"

#3: "Can I finally eat my waffle in peace? Let me eat my waffle!"

It's Your Choice! Let me know.

131 Inquisitive  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:18:02pm

re: #121 dammad

I live in this g-dforsaken city of Chicago - state of Illinois - county of Cook. "Father" Pfleger is an ass....Mayor Daley is an ass....Governor Blagojevich is an ass..Todd Stroger is an ass....Dick Durbin is an ass.....thus BARACK OBAMA IS A HUGE ASS! Notice? All effin Democrats. And my friends wonder why I vote Republican.

This Southern Illinoisan will fully agree with you !

132 Paul  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:18:32pm

Obama's going to put quite a strain on Chicago public transit by throwing all his moonbat moonbat friends, spiritual advisers and mentors under buses.

133 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:18:52pm
134 Macker  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:19:01pm

re: #121 dammad

I live in this g-dforsaken city People's Socialist City-State of Chicago - state People's Republic of Illinois - county of Crook. "Father" Pfleger is an ass....Mayor Daley is an ass....Governor Blagojevich is an ass..Todd Stroger is an ass....Dick Durbin is an ass.....thus BARACK OBAMA IS A HUGE ASS! Notice? All effin Democrats. And my friends wonder why I vote Republican.

There, fixed that for ya!

135 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:19:34pm
136 Macker  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:20:02pm

re: #132 Paul

Is THAT why Chicago's Terrible Alternative is working so badly these days?

137 TS  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:20:05pm

"all of Mr. Obama’s earmarks went to worthy programs like his."

Yeah, 'worthy' programs that help the kids learn to hate and blame whitey and The Jew for all their problems!

138 markie  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:20:06pm

You'd think if you were even considering running for public office, you'd keep in mind who you'd been hanging out with since high school first.

139 republic  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:21:00pm

re: #130 Macker

OK Fellow Lizards! Barry is about to be inducted into the Footy Umpire Hall of Fame! Here's where YOU come in. I'm asking YOU to pick which caption gets him in:

#1: "G*d D*mn America for not letting me eat my waffle!

#2: "The one goal I have is to disarm the United States of America!"

#3: "Can I finally eat my waffle in peace? Let me eat my waffle!"

It's Your Choice! Let me know.

#2 is a reality for Obama.

He has flat out stated that he believes that only law enforcement should be allowed to have firearms.

He voted against allowing any law abiding Illinois citizen to protect oneself and family with a firearm in their own home.

Plus, his voting record, thus far in his political career, is 100% anti-gun.

100%!

140 Yankee Division Son  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:21:31pm
WASHINGTON (AP) - The Democratic presidential race is heading into a fractious end game as supporters of Hillary Rodham Clinton mobilize for a protest Saturday to demand that the party count two outlawed primaries that favored her.

Protesters planned to rally outside the Washington hotel where the party's rules committee will tackle the vexing question of how to punish Michigan and Florida without completely disenfranchising Democratic primary voters from those states.....

"..The Clinton campaign said it was not organizing the rally.

"I am aware that there are lots of people very passionate about this topic who are coming," Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson said...."

Hillary was said to be 'Deeply Disappointed,' Had No Idea, Shocked

Pass the popcorn..

141 MandyManners  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:21:43pm

I'm sure this already has been asked but, why hasn't the Catolic church defrocked this jerk?

142 wolfie  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:21:48pm

I can see why Obama didn't clean out the closet when he first entered the race. He didn't expect to get this far. But it's hard to understand why he didn't do it immediately after he took the lead. Why did it take so long to scrape the Wright scum off his web site? Why has Pfleger been displayed there until today?

My guess is that Obama has lived his life in a left-wing bubble, where anti-white racism, socialist thinking, and anti-Americanism are the norm. Within that world, he learned to manipulate self-hating white elites, the kind he met at Columbia and Harvard. But confined to that world, he has had little opportunity to understand the average, unpolitical, American.
IMO he doesn't really see what's so wrong about Wright and Pfleger, and seems almost caught offguard by the flak.

143 profitsbeard  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:22:06pm

Claude "I'm shocked, shocked!" Rains' role in the remake of "Casablanca" (to be called "Casamocha") will be played by Obama.

144 Catttt  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:23:21pm

re: #85 Bob in Breckenridge

Catholic priests go to seminaries, educational institutions run by the church specifically for educating priests.

He went to Loyola (Jesuit uni) and then the St. Mary's on the Lake seminary.

Here is an interesting piece:

CATHOLIC DISSIDENTS ADVISE OBAMA

When Sen. Barack Obama recently announced the formation of his Catholic National Advisory Council, he said he was “deeply honored to have the support and counsel of these committed Catholic leaders, scholars and advocates.” Commenting on this group is Catholic League president Bill Donohue:

“The best advice I can give Sen. Obama about his Catholic National Advisory Council is to dissolve it immediately. Of the 26 Catholic former or current public office holders he has listed as either National Co-Chairs (5), or as members of the National Leadership Committee (21), there is not one who agrees with the Catholic Church on all three major public policy issues: abortion, embryonic stem cell research and school vouchers.

145 republic  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:23:58pm

re: #142 wolfie

I can see why Obama didn't clean out the closet when he first entered the race. He didn't expect to get this far. But it's hard to understand why he didn't do it immediately after he took the lead. Why did it take so long to scrape the Wright scum off his web site? Why has Pfleger been displayed there until today?

My guess is that Obama has lived his life in a left-wing bubble, where anti-white racism, socialist thinking, and anti-Americanism are the norm. Within that world, he learned to manipulate self-hating white elites, the kind he met at Columbia and Harvard. But confined to that world, he has had little opportunity to understand the average, unpolitical, American.
IMO he doesn't really see what's so wrong about Wright and Pfleger, and seems almost caught offguard by the flak.


Yes, and there's 100 million of us American voters, clinging to our guns and our religion.

146 Catttt  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:25:29pm

re: #123 zmdavid

OT
Did anyone else see Bill O'Reilly go nuts during the "Bernie and Jane" segment?

He thinks everyone at NBC News should quit.

Yeah. He got his Irish up. I love O'Reilly - he reminds me of 3/4 of my male relatives on my father's side.

147 gymnast  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:26:28pm

Liberation theology sure does have have a lot of good old fashioned Christian Muslim Communists at it's leadership core and Obama's core values seem to fit this hybrid "religious" movement to a T. Perhaps that is why George Soros finds him so useful. Obama seems to be the personification of the Neo Democrat Party and it seems to trouble Bill and Hillary Clinton mightily that in spite of their best efforts, the Party is circling the bowl an they are going down with the flush.

148 wolfie  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:27:39pm

re: #116 koza

I fully agree. Whatever warts Pfleger may have, I do not see his comments about HRC as anything but insightful. Perhaps inflammatory, but insightful.

I disagree. I'm no fan of the Hildebeast, to put it mildly, but I don't think she is a racist. The Queen is not amused by Obama, but his race has nothing to do with it.

I happen to think Pfleger is a POS for suggesting that her ambitions are part of a conspiracy of white America against the black Obamassiah.

149 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:29:33pm

re: #122 Catttt

Father Pf. sounds like he's out of the Jesuit Liberation Theology, which he is heartily applying to his poor, black parish. The Vatican has deemed this type of Liberation Theology as harmful and erroneous.

As a Catholic, I am utterly disgusted by this man. IMHO, he needs to go on a long timeout silent retreat.

I think every time Senator O's church gets onto youtube, the assembly, as a whole, behaves in a disgusting, haughty, prejudiced, embarrassing, and loathesomely unChristian manner.

Indeed. Call me crazy, but I thought the mark of a clergyman was supposed to be humility.

150 hermeneutics  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:29:45pm

re: #142 wolfie

Wolfie -- Bingo! You got it. Even anarchist Crispin Sartwell today editorialized that the University of Colorado was RIGHT to create a chair of Conservative Studies because there was so little intellectual diversity in universities. Poor Obama lived in Hyde Park's racialist bubble, rose to power in the bubble of the Chicago machine and then worked in the bubbles of universities and foundations.

Notice what is missing -- exposure to market forces and real competition.

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

151 gymnast  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:30:33pm

re: #131 Inquisitive

This Southern Illinoisan will fully agree with you !

Southern Illinois is as screwed up as Chicago. Get out while you can!

152 wolfie  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:31:12pm

re: #129 Neo Con since 9-11

"America=rapist"
Obama's second best friend, Michael Pfleger.

Great find.
Lizards, be sure to hear this ! (Get your barf bags ready.)

153 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:31:54pm

Savage
It is not up to the Pope to punish -yes, punish- this priest of hell.
He's too busy among other reasons.

This falls in the shoulders of his Bishop, in this case, Cardinal George.

The Canon Law has very harsh punishments who can be metted on someone as sick as this priest.

Let's hope Cardinal Gorge does what he should do and deals with this racist.

154 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:32:22pm
155 Inquisitive  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:32:42pm

re: #144 Catttt


WOW that really makes you think--if he can't even pick the right kind of advisor's to put on a board regarding Catholic believes how in the world is he going to pick the right advisor's to help him as POTUS--scarrrryyyy just real scarrryyyy!

156 hermeneutics  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:33:30pm

re: #153 MigueldowninMexico

Hi Miguel ... So the Cardinal DOES have the power to get rid of this priest? What are the cardinal's options? Can he "transfer" him?

157 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:33:36pm
158 winston06  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:34:11pm

Once a liar, always a liar!

159 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:34:36pm

re: #156 hermeneutics

Hi Miguel ... So the Cardinal DOES have the power to get rid of this priest? What are the cardinal's options? Can he "transfer" him?

He can go as far as excomunicate him.
So he won't be able to perform as a priest for as long as the excommunication lasts.
There are lesser meassures, like a transfer, but the recieven bishop was to agree, which complicates things.

160 DesertSage  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:34:36pm

Is it mandatory for a white guy to start sounding like he's black the minute he walks through the door at Trinity United?

161 Dreader1962  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:34:57pm

This is how Obama didn't notice any racism during his 20 years at the church:

www.youtube.com...

162 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:35:01pm

re: #156 hermeneutics

Hi Miguel ... So the Cardinal DOES have the power to get rid of this priest? What are the cardinal's options? Can he "transfer" him?

Hello :)

163 RememberSekhmet?  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:35:54pm

gonna crash now. Brain misfiring.

164 DesertSage  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:36:27pm

re: #162 MigueldowninMexico

Does a Bishop trump a Cardinal?

165 zmdavid  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:36:36pm

Too bad there isn't a Catholic diocese in Antarctica he could be reassigned to.

166 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:36:59pm

If I were his bishop I would suspend him- which is like a pre-excommunication.

No more Masses, no more sermons.
Out to a monastery to pray and medidate.
Don't call us back, we call you.

But...I'm not his bishop lol

167 pat  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:37:01pm

This individual is a race-baiter, poseur, and charlatan. His fake accent, pandering, disagreeable theology without any Christian content, is vile.

168 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:37:29pm
169 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:38:02pm

re: #164 DesertSage

Does a Bishop trump a Cardinal?

If a Cardinal has a Diocese. They are equal.
Every bishop has the maximum authority in his Diocese (his territory) only under the pope's.

170 hermeneutics  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:38:09pm

re: #164 DesertSage

Only if he moves diagonally.

171 Inquisitive  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:38:38pm

re: #151 gymnast

Southern Illinois is as screwed up as Chicago. Get out while you can!

And go where--I was originally from Carlsbad, New Mexico--and we all know what the Governor Bill Richardson did ! Jumped right on that Obama band wagon! !

172 wolfie  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:39:13pm

re: #150 hermeneutics

A very honest and well written column! He nails it.

173 zmdavid  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:39:26pm

re: #164 DesertSage

Cardinals are Bishops. They are the ones that get to vote in Papal elections.

174 DesertSage  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:39:46pm

re: #170 hermeneutics

Only if he moves diagonally.

I'm just a pawn :'(

175 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:40:10pm

re: #173 zmdavid

Cardinals are Bishops. They are the ones that get to vote in Papal elections.

That's pretty much it.
Except that many bishops are not cardinals.

176 hermeneutics  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:40:43pm

re: #174 DesertSage

I'm the queen. Checkmate.

177 republic  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:40:46pm

Off Topic

Texas children roped into Islamic training
Class by CAIR teaches: 'There is one god, Allah'

Public school students at Friendswood Junior High in the Houston area have been roped into Islamic training by representatives from the Council on American-Islamic Relations during class time, prompting religious leaders to protest over Principal Robin Lowe's actions.

The pastors said in a statement: "According to students who were forced to attend these sessions, these Islamic evangelists taught them:

Adam, Noah and Jesus are prophets


There is one god, his name is Allah


The 5 Pillars of Islam


How to pray five times a day


Islamic religious garb"

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.vie w&pageId=65659

178 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:41:05pm

re: #176 hermeneutics

I'm the queen. Checkmate.

Not in a Republican regime ;)

179 DesertSage  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:41:12pm

re: #175 MigueldowninMexico

That's pretty much it.
Except that many bishops are not cardinals.

So what does a Bishop have to do to become a Cardinal?

180 Macker  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:41:16pm

re: #165 zmdavid

Too bad there isn't a Catholic diocese in Antarctica on Mars he could be reassigned to.

There, fixed that for ya!

181 zmdavid  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:41:17pm

Not all Bishops are Cardinals, its the Cardinals that vote for Pope. I'm pretty sure all the Cardinals are also Bishops.

182 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:41:39pm
183 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:41:54pm

re: #179 DesertSage

So what does a Bishop have to do to become a Cardinal?


Nothing. Cardinals are appointed by the Pope. He's the one who decides who deserves the honor.

184 hermeneutics  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:42:17pm

Wait a minute, Miguel. I'm confused.

A Cardinal has a diocese and votes for the Pope.
A Bishop has a diocese but doesn't vote for the Pope.

Right?

185 zmdavid  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:42:26pm

re: #179 DesertSage

So what does a Bishop have to do to become a Cardinal?


The Pope appoints all the Bishops and Cardinals.

186 Catttt  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:42:26pm

re: #155 Inquisitive

WOW that really makes you think--if he can't even pick the right kind of advisor's to put on a board regarding Catholic believes how in the world is he going to pick the right advisor's to help him as POTUS--scarrrryyyy just real scarrryyyy!

Too true.

The man who - everyone seems to be telling me - will be the Dem candidate for the most powerful, awesome responsibility in the WORLD - doesn't know how many states there are in the union. At that point, I stopped expecting any kind of fricking intelligence, training, knowledge, or judgment from him. To me, that was a watershed moment.

Bums on the corner know more basic STUFF and have more simple common sense than Senator O and his entire team. It's PITIFUL.

I still think something is going to twist it up to where Senator Clinton is the nominee. Call me cwazy.

187 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:42:55pm

re: #184 hermeneutics

Wait a minute, Miguel. I'm confused.

A Cardinal has a diocese and votes for the Pope.
A Bishop has a diocese but doesn't vote for the Pope.

Right?

Yes, because he's not a Cardinal.
Most Bishops are notr Cardinals.
Bishops are about 4500, Cardinals 196 right now.

188 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:43:13pm
189 Catttt  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:43:21pm

re: #164 DesertSage

Does a Bishop trump a Cardinal?

Not unless they're playing bridge.

190 DesertSage  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:43:26pm

re: #183 MigueldowninMexico

Nothing. Cardinals are appointed by the Pope. He's the one who decides who deserves the honor.

So all Cardinals started out as Bishops? And before they were Bishops, they were just Priests?

What about the Knights?

191 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:44:44pm

re: #190 DesertSage

So all Cardinals started out as Bishops? And before they were Bishops, they were just Priests?

What about the Knights?

Wow. So many information so quickly lol

Knights are not in the Hyerarchy.
Some are priests others are laymen.

192 Catttt  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:44:50pm

re: #190 DesertSage

So all Cardinals started out as Bishops? And before they were Bishops, they were just Priests?

What about the Knights?

They put on the annual carnival.

193 pat  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:45:01pm

re: #177 republic

Off Topic

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?f a=PAGE.view&pageId=65659

Not sure this will link, but ACLU investigates Hi School for a voluntary trip to view a Catholic Mass:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

194 Suzette  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:45:13pm

re: #175 MigueldowninMexico

Hi {Miguel}! Hope you are doing well! :)

195 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:45:18pm

Sage
Yes, Bishops are priests in the first place always.

196 zmdavid  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:45:27pm

Also, Cardinals can't vote for Pope after they turn 80, but they're still Cardinals.

197 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:45:46pm
198 pat  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:45:53pm

re: #191 MigueldowninMexico

Knights went Templar

199 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:45:55pm

re: #194 Suzette

Hi {Miguel}! Hope you are doing well! :)

I'm fine Suzette, thanks :)

How about you?

200 wolfie  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:46:10pm

re: #177 republic

Good grief.
And the ACLU is...........on vacation.

201 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:46:18pm

re: #196 zmdavid

Also, Cardinals can't vote for Pope after they turn 80, but they're still Cardinals.

That's correct ;)

202 hermeneutics  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:46:19pm

re: #187 MigueldowninMexico

But even as a Bishop, he's got the power to get rid of corrupt priests, right? And if he chooses NOT to get rid of him, this is because ...
1) politically, within the church heirarchy, it is not feasible. Someone above the bishop wants to keep the corrupt priest. Or, the price of getting rid of the priest is too high to pay.
2) he, himself, wants to keep the priest.

203 DesertSage  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:46:49pm

re: #191 MigueldowninMexico

Wow. So many information so quickly lol

Knights are not in the Hyerarchy.
Some are priests others are laymen.

So a Bishop is like a Colonel, and a Cardinal is like a General?

204 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:46:56pm

re: #198 pat

Knights went Templar

The Templars have just been reivindicated!
Which is quite a piece of news.

205 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:47:28pm

re: #203 DesertSage

So a Bishop is like a Colonel, and a Cardinal is like a General?

Yes, pretty close to it lol

Priests are lutenents I guess

206 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:48:00pm
207 Catttt  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:48:10pm

re: #163 RememberSekhmet?

gonna crash now. Brain misfiring.

Me too. I'm starting to get really sarcastic. Bed time. :D

208 Suzette  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:48:28pm

re: #188 song_and_dance_man


I see you are being Christian like.

209 wolfie  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:48:29pm

re: #193 pat

Not sure this will link, but ACLU investigates Hi School for a voluntary trip to view a Catholic Mass:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Oh I see. VOLUNTARY off-school trip to Catholic church is a scandal.
Mandatory in-school Islamic preaching is okay.
Got it.

210 hermeneutics  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:48:43pm

Dumb question: Is Bishop capitalized even when it is not used as a title?

211 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:48:46pm

re: #202 hermeneutics

But even as a Bishop, he's got the power to get rid of corrupt priests, right? And if he chooses NOT to get rid of him, this is because ...
1) politically, within the church heirarchy, it is not feasible. Someone above the bishop wants to keep the corrupt priest. Or, the price of getting rid of the priest is too high to pay.
2) he, himself, wants to keep the priest.

The Pope is always the ultimate authority.
He can intervene if he decides so.

212 DesertSage  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:48:49pm

re: #206 song_and_dance_man

Mahoney

Mahoney is a Cardinal.

213 gymnast  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:49:22pm

re: #171 Inquisitive

And go where--I was originally from Carlsbad, New Mexico--and we all know what the Governor Bill Richardson did ! Jumped right on that Obama band wagon! !

Southern Illinois makes William Faulkner's Mississippi seem like Shangri La by comparison to southern Illinois. God help you if you live in Carbondale and if you don't, you better like the huntin', fishin' and summer humidity because all three are present in great abundance. Everybody should live in Southern Illinois for a bit so's they can see what the Illinois Ozarks are like for themselves.

214 Inquisitive  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:49:32pm

re: #186 Catttt

Too true.

The man who - everyone seems to be telling me - will be the Dem candidate for the most powerful, awesome responsibility in the WORLD - doesn't know how many states there are in the union. At that point, I stopped expecting any kind of fricking intelligence, training, knowledge, or judgment from him. To me, that was a watershed moment.

Bums on the corner know more basic STUFF and have more simple common sense than Senator O and his entire team. It's PITIFUL.

I still think something is going to twist it up to where Senator Clinton is the nominee. Call me cwazy.


I sure hope you are right and Clinton does get the Demo nomination and
I'll stick with my earlier post #91----Obama POTUS---worst nightmare!

215 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:49:36pm

re: #210 hermeneutics

Dumb question: Is Bishop capitalized even when it is not used as a title?

Depends on you I guess. lol
I do it.

216 DesertSage  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:50:21pm

re: #210 hermeneutics

Dumb question: Is Bishop capitalized even when it is not used as a title?

It's a proper pronoun so I capitalize it.

217 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:50:35pm

Sage
Mahoney is your bishop LOL

218 LeePro  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:50:51pm

re: #139 republic

#2 is a reality for Obama.

He has flat out stated that he believes that only law enforcement should be allowed to have firearms.

He voted against allowing any law abiding Illinois citizen to protect oneself and family with a firearm in their own home.

Plus, his voting record, thus far in his political career, is 100% anti-gun.

100%!

Yup. See THIS GUN MAP. Note the notation in the red (pink) box at mid-lower right about Chicago and DC murder rates.

219 hermeneutics  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:51:11pm

re: #206 song_and_dance_man

Mahoney ... you mean thebig catholic guy from NY who died a few years ago? Is this what you are referring to? If so, what do you mean, Song?

220 DesertSage  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:52:29pm

re: #217 MigueldowninMexico

Sage
Mahoney is your bishop LOL

He's the Cardinal of the L.A. diocese, so I guess I belong to his domain...

....even though I'm Jewish :')

221 Suzette  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:52:35pm

re: #199 MigueldowninMexico


Doing alright. In fact doing pretty good.
/good check-up this week. Put on more weight and
blood pressure still dropping and getting to almost normal.
(and continued thanks for your prayers...may God bless you for them!)

222 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:52:36pm

Well this Obama guy sure hangs around bit wonderful people.

He draws from everywhere.

/Just like one of those Zombies' demonstrations...

223 LeePro  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:52:51pm

re: #141 MandyManners

I'm sure this already has been asked but, why hasn't the Catolic church defrocked this jerk?

Exactly what I'D like to know! ! !

224 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:53:09pm

re: #220 DesertSage

He's the Cardinal of the L.A. diocese, so I guess I belong to his domain...

....even though I'm Jewish :')

You do. By default lol.

225 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:53:42pm

re: #223 LeePro

Exactly what I'D like to know! ! !

If I were his Bishop I would have done it way back.

226 wolfie  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:54:24pm

re: #210 hermeneutics

Dumb question: Is Bishop capitalized even when it is not used as a title?

No. It's like king.

227 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:54:32pm
228 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:55:58pm

re: #221 Suzette

Doing alright. In fact doing pretty good.
/good check-up this week. Put on more weight and
blood pressure still dropping and getting to almost normal.
(and continued thanks for your prayers...may God bless you for them!)

I'm very glad to read this! :)
;)

A pleasure ;)

229 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:56:05pm
230 wolfie  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:56:08pm

re: #213 gymnast

We have some very close friends who moved to Carbondale a while ago.
They love it.
But then, it sounds rather like this area ...Appalachians.

231 Inquisitive  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:56:20pm

re: #213 gymnast

Southern Illinois makes William Faulkner's Mississippi seem like Shangri La by comparison to southern Illinois. God help you if you live in Carbondale and if you don't, you better like the huntin', fishin' and summer humidity because all three are present in great abundance. Everybody should live in Southern Illinois for a bit so's they can see what the Illinois Ozarks are like for themselves.

Oh, you have been here in our lovely neck of the woods, I see. Yep huntin', fishin' and summer humidity, but you forgot the good old campin'---got to camp to really enjoy the others(LOL)

232 DesertSage  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:56:25pm

re: #225 MigueldowninMexico

OK, then what's an Archbishop?

Is it like a full bird colonel? And a Bishop is like a Lieutenant Colonel?

233 Catttt  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:56:53pm

re: #210 hermeneutics

Dumb question: Is Bishop capitalized even when it is not used as a title?

No. Like most nouns, unless it is a proper noun, it is not capped. It is proper if you use it with a specific bishop. For bishops in general, no cap.

There are a few offices that are unique. Those can be capped. For example, the President (of the USA); the Pope (aka the Bishop of Rome).

234 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:57:49pm

re: #232 DesertSage

OK, then what's an Archbishop?

Is it like a full bird colonel? And a Bishop is like a Lieutenant Colonel?

Hahahaha.
Yes, the Archbishop usually is the Bishop of an important Diocese.
Like El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciuncula.
;)

235 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:58:29pm

Damn script.

El Pueblo de Nuestra Senora de Los Angeles de Porciuncula.

/Anglo supremacists!

236 hermeneutics  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:58:30pm

So ... lets recap. (Please help me.)
1. Obama is tight with a Catholic priest who is over a nearby church in Chicago. 2. Obama funneled money to the priest's church in the guize of social work.
3. The priest gave the sermon at Obama's UCC church (is there some Roman Catholic rule against this, my Catholic friends?)
4. During this sermon, he asked/suggested that a gun dealer be killed.
5. Obama is very anti-gun and would have agreed with this sentiment.

237 DesertSage  Thu, May 29, 2008 10:59:06pm

re: #234 MigueldowninMexico

And is that the same with diocese and archdiocese?

238 Suzette  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:00:18pm

re: #227 song_and_dance_man

Maybe so, but I have not said anything ugly or yawned.
/and with that May God be with and bless you and pardon me
if I was out of line.

239 zmdavid  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:00:20pm

re: #236 hermeneutics

So ... lets recap. (Please help me.)
1. Obama is tight with a Catholic priest who is over a nearby church in Chicago. 2. Obama funneled money to the priest's church in the guize of social work.
3. The priest gave the sermon at Obama's UCC church (is there some Roman Catholic rule against this, my Catholic friends?)
4. During this sermon, he asked/suggested that a gun dealer be killed.
5. Obama is very anti-gun and would have agreed with this sentiment.

The gun dealer killing comment was at a protest with Jesse Jackson at a gun shop 1 year ago, not in a Church.

240 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:00:28pm

re: #236 hermeneutics

So ... lets recap. (Please help me.)
1. Obama is tight with a Catholic priest who is over a nearby church in Chicago. 2. Obama funneled money to the priest's church in the guize of social work.
3. The priest gave the sermon at Obama's UCC church (is there some Roman Catholic rule against this, my Catholic friends?)
4. During this sermon, he asked/suggested that a gun dealer be killed.
5. Obama is very anti-gun and would have agreed with this sentiment.

About the rules: a priest should never call for anyone's murder, not even for violence in general.

Just that is enough to say that sermon should have never been delivered, and the bishop has more than enough reasons to suspend this priest.

241 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:00:47pm

re: #237 DesertSage

And is that the same with diocese and archdiocese?

Exactly, Sage ;)

242 LeePro  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:01:21pm

re: #153 MigueldowninMexico

Savage
It is not up to the Pope to punish -yes, punish- this priest of hell.
He's too busy among other reasons.

This falls in the shoulders of his Bishop, in this case, Cardinal George.

The Canon Law has very harsh punishments who can be metted on someone as sick as this priest.

Let's hope Cardinal Gorge does what he should do and deals with this racist.

Francis Cardinal George, O.M.I., Archbishop of Chicago — Addresses, phone #s, contacts for anyone who is should be interested!

243 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:01:22pm

Sage
Don't look at me like that.
I know I live in only a Diocese...

/Inferiority complex...

244 Inquisitive  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:01:54pm

re: #230 wolfie

We have some very close friends who moved to Carbondale a while ago.
They love it.
But then, it sounds rather like this area ...Appalachians.


C'dale is a nice college town. Not like some of the others.

245 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:02:14pm

re: #242 LeePro

Good!

246 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:02:22pm
247 LeePro  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:03:24pm

re: #159 MigueldowninMexico

He can go as far as excomunicate him.
So he won't be able to perform as a priest for as long as the excommunication lasts.
There are lesser meassures, like a transfer, but the recieven bishop was to agree, which complicates things.

What's "the recieven bishop"?

248 profitsbeard  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:04:14pm

re: #161 Dreader1962

This is how Obama didn't notice any racism during his 20 years at the church:

www.youtube.com...

LOL!

And this is what he heard:

249 hermeneutics  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:04:19pm

receiving bishop.

250 DesertSage  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:04:26pm

re: #241 MigueldowninMexico

Exactly, Sage ;)

Thank you Miguel. I've never really known anything about the workings of the Catholic church. I got a good lesson tonight.

Maybe we can discuss it in more depth next time we talk, it seems pretty interesting.

251 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:04:41pm

re: #247 LeePro

What's "the recieven bishop"?

Recieving.
That was a typo lol

If a bishop wants to send a priest somwhere else, as the whole planet is divided in bishops' territories, the recieving bishop must agree to accept the priest.

252 LeePro  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:05:00pm

re: #161 Dreader1962

This is how Obama didn't notice any racism during his 20 years at the church:

www.youtube.com...

I wish it were that simple!

253 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:05:41pm

re: #250 DesertSage

Thank you Miguel. I've never really known anything about the workings of the Catholic church. I got a good lesson tonight.

Maybe we can discuss it in more depth next time we talk, it seems pretty interesting.

I love this subject.
And I know about it.

And it's always a pleasure to talk to you ;)

And let's do it over some mezcal shots.

Well talk about Obispos and Cardenales
lol ;)

254 gymnast  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:06:19pm

re: #231 Inquisitive

Have you read "Bloody Williamson" yet? It truly does give one an appreciation for the areas character and unique culture. I was there when Herrin was a thriving community and Old Main was still standing at SIU.

255 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:07:17pm

Ok Obama, needs someone from ANSWER now.
Maybe from "The World Can't Wait"...

He seems to have friends in very interesting places.

256 DesertSage  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:08:11pm

re: #253 MigueldowninMexico

Well talk about Obispos and Cardenales
lol ;)

Oh boy....even more for me to learn.
Next time, I'm going to sleep now. 'nite all. Weet dreams.

257 Catttt  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:08:14pm

re: #240 MigueldowninMexico

About the rules: a priest should never call for anyone's murder, not even for violence in general.

Just that is enough to say that sermon should have never been delivered, and the bishop has more than enough reasons to suspend this priest.

He says he didn't know "snuffed" was slang for "killed." I think he knew but didn't mean it that way. I think he used it as (somewhat outdated) slang that has more than one meaning, thinking he was being clever.

He appears to be the personification of the song "Pretty Fly for a White Guy."

258 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:08:34pm

re: #256 DesertSage

Oh boy....even more for me to learn.
Next time, I'm going to sleep now. 'nite all. Weet dreams.

Sleep well! ;)

259 hermeneutics  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:09:46pm

The polity of Roman Catholicism is very interesting.

Here is a list of dioceses:
[Link: www.catholic-hierarchy.org...]

And here is a list of bishops (there are hundreds, just in the US):
[Link: www.catholic-hierarchy.org...]

And, according to the below, Chicago is more than 40 percent catholic so its bishop must be a big deal in the church (i.e. he's got the power to fire that priest.)
[Link: www.catholic-hierarchy.org...]

260 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:10:32pm
261 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:11:08pm

re: #257 Catttt

He says he didn't know "snuffed" was slang for "killed." I think he knew but didn't mean it that way. I think he used it as (somewhat outdated) slang that has more than one meaning, thinking he was being clever.

He appears to be the personification of the song "Pretty Fly for a White Guy."

Still, he's obviously a liberation theology spitter.
Enough grounds for his Bishop to have a run down with him.

The current Pope has explained in several documents why LT runs amok to Catholic Doctrine.

Cardinal George should pay more attention to this sect.

262 Inquisitive  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:11:41pm

re: #254 gymnast

Have you read "Bloody Williamson" yet? It truly does give one an appreciation for the areas character and unique culture. I was there when Herrin was a thriving community and Old Main was still standing at SIU.

Yes read "Bloody Williamson years ago---Have been here in SI for long time. Live in small town that was once a booming coal mining town. Herrin is right down the road from the town I live in--only 7 miles. Grandpa and Dad were both coal miners. I am proud to be a coal miners daughter.

263 mattm  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:11:43pm

re: #132 Paul

Obama's going to put quite a strain on Chicago public transit by throwing all his moonbat moonbat friends, spiritual advisers and mentors under buses.

He must first consider the environmental impact of the bus and compare to to alternative vehicles to throw them under.

264 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:12:08pm

re: #259 hermeneutics

The polity of Roman Catholicism is very interesting.

Here is a list of dioceses:
[Link: www.catholic-hierarchy.org...]

And here is a list of bishops (there are hundreds, just in the US):
[Link: www.catholic-hierarchy.org...]

And, according to the below, Chicago is more than 40 percent catholic so its bishop must be a big deal in the church (i.e. he's got the power to fire that priest.)
[Link: www.catholic-hierarchy.org...]

Yes to your conclusion.
Even a bishop with very little faithful can do it, anyway.

265 hermeneutics  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:12:14pm

re: #261 MigueldowninMexico

I thought lib theo was strongest in South and Central America? Aren't you in the thick of it, Miguel?

266 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:14:25pm

re: #265 hermeneutics

I thought lib theo was strongest in South and Central America? Aren't you in the thick of it, Miguel?

Thank God, it's practically dying out.
It's like hippies in the US.
Most priests in that sect -and a few bishops- are over 70 now.

267 LeePro  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:14:41pm

re: #202 hermeneutics

But even as a Bishop, he's got the power to get rid of corrupt priests, right? And if he chooses NOT to get rid of him, this is because ...
1) politically, within the church heirarchy, it is not feasible. Someone above the bishop wants to keep the corrupt priest. Or, the price of getting rid of the priest is too high to pay.
2) he, himself, wants to keep the priest.

Sickeningly correct!

268 Catttt  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:15:01pm

re: #261 MigueldowninMexico

Still, he's obviously a liberation theology spitter.
Enough grounds for his Bishop to have a run down with him.

The current Pope has explained in several documents why LT runs amok to Catholic Doctrine.

Cardinal George should pay more attention to this sect.

I agree with you 100 percent squared. Perhaps now he will. One can hope.

The more play the vid gets, the more Catholics are going to vote for anyone but Senator Obama. The regular Catholic will - needless to say - not be happy with that priest.

I almost feel sorry for Senator O, but not quite.

269 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:15:19pm

re: #267 LeePro

Sickeningly adjetivized! lol

270 hermeneutics  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:15:55pm

re: #266 MigueldowninMexico

I guess it is strongest in universities ... the last hold-out of the 1960s.

My son and I are tired.
Time for bed.
Good night, all.
Sleep well and dream deeply.

271 Inquisitive  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:16:43pm

re: #270 hermeneutics

I guess it is strongest in universities ... the last hold-out of the 1960s.

My son and I are tired.
Time for bed.
Good night, all.
Sleep well and dream deeply.

Good night

272 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:16:49pm

re: #268 Catttt

I agree with you 100 percent squared. Perhaps now he will. One can hope.

The more play the vid gets, the more Catholics are going to vote for anyone but Senator Obama. The regular Catholic will - needless to say - not be happy with that priest.

I almost feel sorry for Senator O, but not quite.

No, not happy at all!

I've had big battles against LT priests specially back in the 80's.

They are a sick bunch. Derranged moonbats performing as priests.
Ugh.

273 slokat  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:16:59pm

Bishops are always working the angles....

/

274 Sloppy  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:17:03pm

I know a guy who's a monsignor. Where does he fit in?

275 Catttt  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:17:24pm

OK. Really going to bed this time. My Siamese is starting to complain (he runs the household).

'Night.

276 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:17:40pm

re: #270 hermeneutics

I guess it is strongest in universities ... the last hold-out of the 1960s.

My son and I are tired.
Time for bed.
Good night, all.
Sleep well and dream deeply.

Good night! To your son too :)

277 Inquisitive  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:18:05pm

re: #275 Catttt

OK. Really going to bed this time. My Siamese is starting to complain (he runs the household).

'Night.


Good night

278 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:18:42pm

re: #274 Sloppy

I know a guy who's a monsignor. Where does he fit in?

That's more an honorary title, than a jurisdiccional one.

279 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:19:14pm

re: #275 Catttt

OK. Really going to bed this time. My Siamese is starting to complain (he runs the household).

'Night.

Night Catttt

Yeah, cats rule, Cattt LOL

280 patrickafir  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:19:46pm

One hopes that McCain's people are busy with all the crap this charlatan is leaving around him.

281 slokat  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:19:51pm

re: #272 MigueldowninMexico

We had the same issue in the Lutheran Church, too.

282 LeePro  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:20:23pm

re: #205 MigueldowninMexico

Yes, pretty close to it lol

Priests are lutenents lieutenants I guess

Miguel, you must improve your ortogirafía!

/ heehee

283 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:20:24pm

re: #281 slokat

We had the same issue in the Lutheran Church, too.

That's Gramsci for you.

Infiltrate all possible institutions.

Ugly plan...

284 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:21:33pm

re: #282 LeePro

Miguel, you must improve your ortogirafía!

/ heehee

Hahaha thats true.
Lieutenanst.

That means they have something instead of someone else...
I just thought so lol

285 slokat  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:21:47pm

Nobody responded to my Bishop - angles - chess pun...

too obscure?
/

286 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:21:58pm

re: #282 LeePro

Miguel, you must improve your ortogirafía!

/ heehee

Ortojirafa LOL

287 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:22:23pm

re: #285 slokat

Nobody responded to my Bishop - angles - chess pun...

too obscure?
/

Too clear.

That's why I played dead LOL

288 LeePro  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:22:55pm

re: #221 Suzette

Doing alright. In fact doing pretty good.
/good check-up this week. Put on more weight and
blood pressure still dropping and getting to almost normal.
(and continued thanks for your prayers...may God bless you for them!)

Great news, Suzette!
Still praying...

:D

289 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:23:14pm

re: #287 MigueldowninMexico

Too clear.

That's why I played dead LOL

Oh! But I went for another meaning.

Not the chess one LOL
Sorry I'm tired.

I can not even write lieutenent right

290 wolfie  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:23:45pm

re: #285 slokat

Nobody responded to my Bishop - angles - chess pun...

too obscure?
/

I'm laughing now.....but hey, it's late! Took me a while! :D

291 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:24:16pm

re: #290 wolfie

I'm laughing now.....but hey, it's late! Took me a while! :D

Father I confess.
Same here LOL

292 Inquisitive  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:25:34pm

Well dear friends I too must call it a night and go lay my head on the pillow for awhile. Take care of yourselves and hope to "see" you all again soon. Good night.

293 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:25:50pm

re: #280 patrickafir

One hopes that McCain's people are busy with all the crap this charlatan is leaving around him.

Are you, like me, nervous about McCain's ability to use political ammunition?

/Bites fingernails...

294 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:26:20pm

re: #292 Inquisitive

Well dear friends I too must call it a night and go lay my head on the pillow for awhile. Take care of yourselves and hope to "see" you all again soon. Good night.

Good night, sleep well :)

295 LeePro  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:26:34pm

re: #232 DesertSage

OK, then what's an Archbishop?

Is it like a full bird colonel? And a Bishop is like a Lieutenant Colonel?

Oops. Everybody's fergettin' something...

In between priest and bishop is monsignor! Don't know how to compare ranks to military... somebody?

296 Suzette  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:26:43pm

re: #288 LeePro

Thank you {Lee} for the prayers too! I truly need all I can get!
/but I am slowly getting better! Although my meds are sky high!
They are working.....
How are you doing fine I hope! :)

297 wolfie  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:27:33pm

re: #289 MigueldowninMexico

BTW, even when you're wide awake LIEUTENANT is a mess to spell.
Stupid Fwench word. We should have changed the spelling when we stole it.

298 slokat  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:27:36pm

...you know there are some days when you say something that is clever and funny & instead of chuckles, people look at you as if you just farted?

/

299 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:27:54pm

re: #297 wolfie

BTW, even when you're wide awake LIEUTENANT is a mess to spell.
Stupid Fwench word. We should have changed the spelling when we stole it.

Hahahahaha.
Great comment!

300 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:28:33pm

re: #298 slokat

.

301 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:28:56pm

re: #298 slokat

;)

302 wolfie  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:29:11pm

Gads. Took me about 5 minutes to spell LIUEUTENETATNET...........
I think I'd better call it a night! Goodnight, Lizards!

303 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:29:37pm

re: #302 wolfie

Gads. Took me about 5 minutes to spell LIUEUTENETATNET...........
I think I'd better call it a night! Goodnight, Lizards!

LOL

Sleep well! :)

304 gymnast  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:29:59pm

re: #262 Inquisitive

Rt 148 adjacent to the "Illinois Alps" was the nearest hard road and was near where we lived when we moved moved out of C'dale after the "Mayfest riots in the spring of 70. I'll betch'a they just love Obama over in C'dale.

305 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:30:51pm

The lieutenant was in lieu of the tenant that was here before.

/A little more stupid and I'm ready for kos.

306 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:34:17pm

I was reading a novel written by a a Frenchman, Stendahl.
The action is around 1810-15.
The French appear as the bravest warriors in the world.

Everybody was in awe and learning from their bravery.

It was a hoot to read it...

307 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:35:06pm
David Axelrod, the chief strategist for the Obama presidential campaign, said that Father Pfleger was “remaking the face” of Chicago’s South Side and that all of Mr. Obama’s earmarks went to worthy programs like his.

David Axelrod? David Axelrod!

/right now it's still Thursday on the west coast, so that counts.

308 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:38:55pm

re: #307 Slumbering Behemoth

David Axelrod? David Axelrod!

/right now it's still Thursday on the west coast, so that counts.

Is this Obama's campaing strategist?
Has someone advise him not to down the brown acid? People get really crazy on it!

/This is unreal.
//I'm dreaming this, OMG.

309 LeePro  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:39:13pm

re: #302 wolfie

re: #303 MigueldowninMexico

I had to look it up before making my correction! ! !

;)

310 redc1c4  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:39:28pm

re: #305 MigueldowninMexico

The lieutenant was in lieu of the tenant that was here before.

/A little more stupid and I'm ready for kos.

all lieutenants are st00pid.....

/been through more than my fair share, over the years.....

311 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:39:52pm

re: #309 LeePro

re: #303 MigueldowninMexico

I had to look it up before making my correction! ! !

;)

LOL ;)

312 redc1c4  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:41:02pm

re: #306 MigueldowninMexico

I was reading a novel written by a a Frenchman, Stendahl.
The action is around 1810-15.
The French appear as the bravest warriors in the world.

Everybody was in awe and learning from their bravery.

It was a hoot to read it...

Camaron!

313 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:41:33pm

re: #310 redc1c4

all lieutenants are st00pid.....

/been through more than my fair share, over the years.....

LOL!

So, they are ready for kos, then lol

314 redc1c4  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:42:39pm

re: #297 wolfie

BTW, even when you're wide awake LIEUTENANT is a mess to spell.
Stupid Fwench word. We should have changed the spelling when we stole it.

like "LT"?

/white smoke

315 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:42:45pm

re: #312 redc1c4

Stop repeating your links.
lol

316 redc1c4  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:44:32pm

re: #313 MigueldowninMexico

LOL!

So, they are ready for kos, then lol

some of them would have had to clue up to be KOS material, but that was when i got them......

afterward is a different story. %-)

/training the trainers!

317 Suzette  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:44:56pm

re: #310 redc1c4

Aren't they rather green and rather wet behind the ears from coming straight out of the academy? Aren't Sgt.'s the Lt's best friend?

318 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:45:02pm

re: #316 redc1c4

some of them would have had to clue up to be KOS material, but that was when i got them......

afterward is a different story. %-)

/training the trainers!

Hahahaha.

I can see you love them

319 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:45:22pm

re: #305 MigueldowninMexico

The lieutenant was in lieu of the tenant that was here before.

/A little more stupid and I'm ready for kos.

Heh. When I was REAL little (abt. 4 or 5) I would always hear the manager and owner of the apt. building I lived in talking about "the tenants". Making a similar association, I assumed a bunch of "army men" would show up sooner or later.

I was very disappointed when I finally learned what "tenant" meant.

320 redc1c4  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:45:45pm

re: #315 MigueldowninMexico

Stop repeating your links.
lol

why? history repeats itself, since we never seem to learn.

(at least as a body. %-)

/when did i post that?

321 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:47:02pm

re: #319 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh. When I was REAL little (abt. 4 or 5) I would always hear the manager and owner of the apt. building I lived in talking about "the tenants". Making a similar association, I assumed a bunch of "army men" would show up sooner or later.

I was very disappointed when I finally learned what "tenant" meant.

Hahahaha.
Those chilhood's recollections are great, aren't they? lol

322 redc1c4  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:47:13pm

re: #317 Suzette

Aren't they rather green and rather wet behind the ears from coming straight out of the academy? Aren't Sgt.'s the Lt's best friend?

i was Specialist...... nuthin about me being a 'friend'.

/more of a stress test. %-)

323 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:47:33pm

re: #320 redc1c4

why? history repeats itself, since we never seem to learn.

(at least as a body. %-)

/when did i post that?

Some other time you wanted to rub the French in my nose LOL ;)

324 Suzette  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:50:23pm

re: #322 redc1c4

Well friend maybe the wrong choice of words, but wouldn't they just about be lost with the Sgt's?

325 Suzette  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:51:30pm

re: #324 Suzette

with = *without*

326 slokat  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:51:52pm

re: #323 MigueldowninMexico

Do you have to go to rehab if you are caught rubbing french in your nose?

327 redc1c4  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:51:59pm

re: #318 MigueldowninMexico

Hahahaha.

I can see you love them

i got yelled at on time by the First Sgt...... it seems my Lt complained to him that he had heard me tell my fellow Soldiers that the only reason we had an officer was "...to go to meetings & sign for shit."

Top didn't particularly argue my analysis, he just wanted to know why i had to say it where my orificer could hear it.......

/'cause he was an asshole? %-)

328 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:52:47pm

re: #308 MigueldowninMexico

Did you click the link I provided? It's from a completely different David Axlerod.

Or...maybe you were just being silly. In which case, never mind.

329 redc1c4  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:54:48pm

re: #324 Suzette

Well friend maybe the wrong choice of words, but wouldn't they just about be lost with the Sgt's?

with/without...... better either way.

we call them staff calls. gets the bosses out of the way so w*rk can get done.

most dangerous thing in the Army: a 2LT with a map & a compass.

/only reason i bought a GPS

330 LeePro  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:55:46pm

Miguel -
Checked your email lately?

;)

331 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:57:18pm

re: #326 slokat

Do you have to go to rehab if you are caught rubbing french in your nose?

And a 30 day detention for bad taste...

332 redc1c4  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:57:39pm

re: #323 MigueldowninMexico

Some other time you wanted to rub the French in my nose LOL ;)

it's a classic case of the out maned unit achieving the impossible.
Roarke's Drift is another.... and Wake Island.

333 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:57:57pm

re: #330 LeePro

Miguel -
Checked your email lately?

;)

Oops.
I'm the worst emailer this side of Mars...

Promise to check in a while hehe.

:)

Thanks!

334 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 29, 2008 11:59:10pm

re: #328 Slumbering Behemoth

Did you click the link I provided? It's from a completely different David Axlerod.

Or...maybe you were just being silly. In which case, never mind.

Sorry SB.
I sincerely thought it was the same guy.

Which says a lot about Obama, that one can believe that guy is in his campaign. lol

Sorry.

335 LeePro  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:00:17am

Well, { { {beloved Lizards} } }...

  ¦O ya-a-a-w-w-w-n-n-n

Upstairs is calling...
    : : : %u266B %u266A Lee-e-e-e-e-e, comfy bed, soft pillow, open window, ceiling fan... %u266A %u266C : : :

Big ol' cootie-less (*smooch*) for red!

G'nite, y'all.

336 profitsbeard  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:01:35am

re: #285 slokat

Nobody responded to my Bishop - angles - chess pun...

too obscure?
/

Nope.

Not Angles, but angels.

(Non Angli, sed angeli.)

337 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:01:48am

re: #332 redc1c4

it's a classic case of the out maned unit achieving the impossible.
Roarke's Drift is another.... and Wake Island.

300.

338 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:02:32am

re: #335 LeePro

Well, { { {beloved Lizards} } }...

%u2003 ¦O ya-a-a-w-w-w-n-n-n

Upstairs is calling...
%u2003 %u2003 : : : %u266B %u266A Lee-e-e-e-e-e, comfy bed, soft pillow, open window, ceiling fan... %u266A %u266C : : :

Big ol' cootie-less (*smooch*) for red!

G'nite, y'all.

{LeePro}
Sweet dreams! ;)

339 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:03:02am

re: #336 profitsbeard

Nope.

Not Angles, but angels.

(Non Angli, sed angeli.)

Pope Gregory.

340 WrathofG-d  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:03:26am

If it hasn't been said so already, this one is for you Obama.

341 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:05:03am

re: #340 WrathofG-d

If it hasn't been said so already, this one is for you Obama.

Don't bogart that nomination, my friend...
Leave it over to me...

/As sung by Hilly.

342 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:05:27am

re: #334 MigueldowninMexico

Now you're just pulling my leg, right?

Anyway, if I remember it, I usually post (musician) D. Axlerod's "Holy Thursday" on Thursday threads. The topic of this post reminded me of that.

Plus, it's cool music.

343 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:07:31am

re: #342 Slumbering Behemoth

Now you're just pulling my leg, right?

Anyway, if I remember it, I usually post (musician) D. Axlerod's "Holy Thursday" on Thursday threads. The topic of this post reminded me of that.

Plus, it's cool music.

Hahahaha.
Sorry, I was serious.
I was taken for a ride by my own ignorance lol

/That was funny hahahaha.

344 WrathofG-d  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:07:47am

re: #341 MigueldowninMexico

Its just shocking to me that all of this hate speech just started right after Obama left the Church....what an odd coincidence. Glad the MSM isn't calling it on him though, that would be so unfair.

345 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:08:25am

re: #344 WrathofG-d

Its just shocking to me that all of this hate speech just started right after Obama left the Church....what an odd coincidence. Glad the MSM isn't calling it on him though, that would be so unfair.

Why unfair?

346 redc1c4  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:08:44am

re: #335 LeePro

Well, { { {beloved Lizards} } }...

%u2003 ¦O ya-a-a-w-w-w-n-n-n

Upstairs is calling...
%u2003 %u2003 : : : %u266B %u266A Lee-e-e-e-e-e, comfy bed, soft pillow, open window, ceiling fan... %u266A %u266C : : :

Big ol' cootie-less (*smooch*) for red!

G'nite, y'all.

EYOOOOOWWWWCH!

good thing i put that Showroom Dummy in my place.......

/extra ETOH, just in case there's blow by...... %-P

g'nite anyway.

347 chicagodudewhotrades  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:10:30am

Hi folks,


I figured since this is a Chicago story, I'd throw my 2 cents in. I think I first heard of the Rev. Pfleger and his Church, St.Sabina a couple years ago. There was something about other churches in some catholic sporting league not wanting to travel to St. Sabina and play games there because the parents of the athletes didn't want to go to a violence prone inner city neighborhood. I actually agreed with pfleger on that to a extent because he said something along the lines of "hey. all the violence and school shootings seem to happen in good neighborhoods'. He had a something of a valid point. He has tried to crack down on cigarettes and alcohol sold in his area. But for Obama to say he didn't know anything about Pfleger's statements is quite simply a lie. Pfleger is a activist preacher, there is no way Obama didn't know what this guy has and is saying. The death threat against the suburban gun shop owner and pro-gun rights legislators was a news story here. The word is Cardinal Francis George despises Rev. Pfleger and wants to get rid of him, but can't because he knows Pfleger will make it into a media circus. Anyway, our fellow Lizard Honorary Yooper pays way more attention to Chicago-area news then I do, so if any of you have questions about the Rev. catch Yoop here on the threads, Yooper also has a blog, i forget the exact web address but is called 'ill-annoy' (get it? a cute play on the state's name)

348 WrathofG-d  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:10:30am

re: #345 MigueldowninMexico

Ok that was supposed to be sarcasm. There is NO way this all just started AFTER Obama left the Church (did he even ever leave?)...and it would not be unfair if they mentioned it...actually it would make sense.

349 Suzette  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:10:55am

re: #329 redc1c4

Heh! :)

350 redc1c4  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:11:30am

re: #328 Slumbering Behemoth

you have discrete message traffic.....

/or, at least you should.

351 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:11:56am

People should not apologize unless they are truly repentent. I like Geraldine Ferraro's style: she meant what she said and said what she meant and she would not apologize for it. These pigs are racists and they should just admit it.

I can't believe this guy said that America had been raping black people and now they were going to have to pay for the rapes. Can you imagine this sort of thing being said in any place of worship from your childhood? I can't, and I visited a lot of churches and different synagogues with my friends while I was growing up. I never heard any hate spewed anywhere -- I'm particularly appalled that the word "rape" would be used where children can hear it. I'm totally stunned to learn that in some black churches, this is the sermon du jour, and that I just "have to understand black preaching style."

Obama, in his stupidity, has done more to stoke feelings of racial alienation and hatred than anyone in a long time. We could always dismiss the Als and the Jesses and the Farrakhans as dimwits, not really representing black people -- but Obama? He's so popular all around, that it makes you realize how deep black racism goes and how it cuts across all socioeconomic classes. I'm definitely not feeling the unity.

352 Suzette  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:13:51am

re: #335 LeePro

Sweet dreams {Lee}!

353 redc1c4  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:14:05am

re: #345 MigueldowninMexico

Why unfair?

sarcasm isn't your strong suit, is it?

/mine neither..... %-)

354 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:15:13am

And yeah, I 'get' that this priest is white, but he is trying to "be black" in order to fit in, so that's why I lumped his actions in with the rest of the Trinity buffoons in my post above. Whites being racist against fellow whites is a new twist, isn't it?

355 Suzette  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:16:44am

Nite {Lizards}! May you all have a grand and blessed today!
:)

356 WrathofG-d  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:16:53am

re: #351 American Jewess In Jerusalem

That is what has struck me the most too...that this behavior was not & is not being defended as "out of the norm" and offensive, but instead seems to be a common thread among Black churches.

Its really disappointing. Its seems that no matter what White people did we could never end racism as victimization is being taught to Blacks.

357 WrathofG-d  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:17:11am

re: #355 Suzette

hey!

358 HelloDare  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:21:06am

Obama said he was "deeply disappointed". Isn't that exactly what a flaming narcissist would say?

359 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:22:34am

re: #347 chicagodudewhotrades

Dude! It's a pleasure to see you around ;)

Thanks for that very interesting information!

360 redc1c4  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:22:45am

re: #349 Suzette

Heh! :)

once i got a long lecture about how i wasn't in the right place, blah blah blah...... and how i'd screwed up and potentially caused hundreds of troops to be endangered. etc, etc, etc.........

when they finally ran down, i pulled out my GPS (we were Guard and you had to buy your own) and rather impertinently told the orificer that he was right, and i was wrong, that my land nav skills & years of experience in the AO we were at yet again, were nothing to his august rank, but that maybe he could argue with several billion $ worth of satellite technology.

later, i was lectured about my attitude. %-)

/never did figure out why i stayed a SP4

361 WrathofG-d  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:23:05am

I imagine that this preacher is taking at least 20% of his personal income (besides that which is a tithe) to make up for what HIS grandparents did to African Americans...

/not!

362 redc1c4  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:24:08am

re: #354 American Jewess In Jerusalem

And yeah, I 'get' that this priest is white, but he is trying to "be black" in order to fit in, so that's why I lumped his actions in with the rest of the Trinity buffoons in my post above. Whites being racist against fellow whites is a new twist, isn't it?

no....... but it's just as disgusting as any other form of racism.

can we call them uncle charlies?

363 WrathofG-d  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:28:22am

ot:

whoa

364 Suzette  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:29:49am

re: #357

Hey {Wrath}! Good to see you....hope you are doing well!
:)

365 redc1c4  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:30:01am

re: #361 WrathofG-d

I imagine that this preacher is taking at least 20% of his personal income (besides that which is a tithe) to make up for what HIS grandparents did to African Americans...

/not!

if he's a Catholic, he better not have a personal income......

/unless they've changed the rules since i was a kid & a member of the cult.

366 WrathofG-d  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:30:45am

re: #364 Suzette

its been a while.

367 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:30:59am

re: #350 redc1c4

Confirmed.

re: #354 American Jewess In Jerusalem

Whites being racist against fellow whites is a new twist, isn't it?

Sadly, it's not. That sort of thing has been around for centuries.

368 WrathofG-d  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:31:41am

re: #365 redc1c4

Typical, someone without any stake is what he is saying forcing others to do what he feels important although he has no intention to actually practice what he preaches. (pun intended)

369 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:31:47am

re: #348 WrathofG-d

Ok that was supposed to be sarcasm. There is NO way this all just started AFTER Obama left the Church (did he even ever leave?)...and it would not be unfair if they mentioned it...actually it would make sense.

Now I get it all.
Sorry.

/I'm half asleep...

370 WrathofG-d  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:33:22am

why aren't we using low grade of these around IED areas? some sort of controlled perimeter weapon with shielded vehicles?

371 redc1c4  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:33:22am

re: #368 WrathofG-d

Typical, someone without any stake is what he is saying forcing others to do what he feels important although he has no intention to actually practice what he preaches. (pun intended)

Al Gore, for instance.......

372 WrathofG-d  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:33:32am

re: #370 WrathofG-d

why aren't we using low grade of these around IED areas? some sort of controlled perimeter weapon with shielded vehicles?

373 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:33:52am

re: #355 Suzette

Nite {Lizards}! May you all have a grand and blessed today!
:)

Night {Suzette}
I wish you the same ;)

374 DJ Wahaba  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:34:29am

re: #362 redc1c4

CONGRATULATIONS AMERICA, finally, to use the words of president Bush: we are a 307 millions nation, the U.S and Israel together; and yes, we have common ground- both of us have members of our people preaching against their own national and self destruction.

Yes, that could word... Thorazine for everybody...

375 redc1c4  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:34:37am

re: #370 WrathofG-d

why aren't we using low grade of these around IED areas? some sort of controlled perimeter weapon with shielded vehicles?

huh? the exo skeletons?

376 WrathofG-d  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:34:45am

re: #371 redc1c4

Most liberals actually. Like Soros, Clinton, Turner, Pelosi, Oprah and Obama who wish to raise taxes to pay for socialized medicine when it would be more equitable if they would just use their own millions and kept their hands out of our pockets.

377 WrathofG-d  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:35:11am

re: #375 redc1c4

no EMPs

378 WrathofG-d  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:35:36am

re: #375 redc1c4

E M Ps

no signal no BOOM!

379 Suzette  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:37:38am

re: #366 WrathofG-d

Yes it has been awhile! Good to see your posts!

And with I need to go to bed.....
Nite:
{Miguel}
{Wrath}
{Red}
{Slumbering} and all Lizards of the dead thread! :)

380 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:38:11am

re: #379 Suzette

Yes it has been awhile! Good to see your posts!

And with I need to go to bed.....
Nite:
{Miguel}
{Wrath}
{Red}
{Slumbering} and all Lizards of the dead thread! :)

The Knights of the Dead Thread LOL

381 x-ray  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:39:29am

This racism crap is pissing me off.

I am a mutt as far as genetic nationalities English,Irish,German,Welsh and a couple that are unknown. Though I have some interest in the cultures of those that make up my lineage.

I am an American first and think that the President of the USA should be that first also.

I don't care what Obamas genetics are I care most that he is an American first and nothing I've seen so far gives me that feeling at all.

382 Fenway_Nation  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:39:31am

re: #358 HelloDare

He's deeply disappointed that this shit from Pfleger and Wright saw the light of day...

383 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:40:36am

re: #380 MigueldowninMexico

The Knights of the Dead Thread LOL

Heh, you give me too much credit Miguel.

/more of a court jester, I am
//well, I try to be anyway, I'm not always as funny as I'd like to be

384 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:42:00am

re: #381 x-ray

The funny thing is that the candidate who vowed to carry a color-blind campaign is the one that hangs around with the most color-concious people.

Ironies of life.

385 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:42:23am

re: #383 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh, you give me too much credit Miguel.

/more of a court jester, I am
//well, I try to be anyway, I'm not always as funny as I'd like to be

Hahahaha Behemoth!

386 WrathofG-d  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:44:25am

ok peace and porridge

387 redc1c4  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:47:40am

re: #368 WrathofG-d

Typical, someone without any stake is what he is saying forcing others to do what he feels important although he has no intention to actually practice what he preaches. (pun intended)

one of the reasons i left the Church...... it didn't speak to me.

388 x-ray  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:49:14am

re: #384 MigueldowninMexico

As much as I fear the taxes the Obama will impose upon me (assuming I'll still will have a job). I fear that the building of real racism he, Jesse Jackson and the rest of the race baiters will actually drive us back to a much worse time in American racial history when the sh*t hits the fan.

I've got an actual life to live and don't have the time or energy to care what color anybody is.

389 redc1c4  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:49:43am

re: #378 WrathofG-d

E M Ps

no signal no BOOM!

re: #372 WrathofG-d

because they only w*rk on some weapons, and cause damage to most/all of the citizens we want on our side?

just a thought.

390 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:51:11am

re: #388 x-ray

As much as I fear the taxes the Obama will impose upon me (assuming I'll still will have a job). I fear that the building of real racism he, Jesse Jackson and the rest of the race baiters will actually drive us back to a much worse time in American racial history when the sh*t hits the fan.

I've got an actual life to live and don't have the time or energy to care what color anybody is.

:(

391 redc1c4  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:51:36am

re: #384 MigueldowninMexico

The funny thing is that the candidate who vowed to carry a color-blind campaign is the one that hangs around with the most color-concious people.

Ironies of life.

there's nothing ironic about deliberate actions......

/i'm just saying

392 WrathofG-d  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:51:53am

I need to go to sleep...but I leave you all with this: Yehudim shel barzel!

393 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:52:35am

re: #391 redc1c4

there's nothing ironic about deliberate actions......

/i'm just saying

I agree.

394 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:52:52am

Good night Wrath.
Sleep well!

395 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:54:01am

x-ray
That's why we must all insist on people not sitting out this election.

The stakes are very high.

396 redc1c4  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:54:32am

re: #393 MigueldowninMexico

I agree.

notice i didn't say anything about hypocritical......

/not that there's anything wrong with that. %-)

397 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:54:33am

re: #395 MigueldowninMexico

x-ray
That's why we must all insist on people not sitting out this election.

The stakes are very high.

Sitting out this election... he meant.

398 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:55:02am

re: #396 redc1c4

notice i didn't say anything about hypocritical......

/not that there's anything wrong with that. %-)

It's deducted from the first term.

399 WrathofG-d  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:55:05am

re: #389 redc1c4

I was thinking very low grade (ie: just to end of street). Driving in very crowded areas would be though though I guess. Wonder if they could design one that was perimeter and temporary....more of a disruption than a destruction of electrical equipment.

400 Genosaurer  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:55:28am

re: #200 wolfie

Good grief.
And the ACLU is...........on vacation.

It's a real shame. In principle, I do think it's beneficial some sort of organization like the ACLU to act as an extra-governmental advocate for individual rights... but they seem to have taken a wrong left turn somewhere along the way, and a lot of the time they seem to do more harm than good.

401 redc1c4  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:55:34am

re: #395 MigueldowninMexico

x-ray
That's why we must all insist on people not sitting out this election.

The stakes are very high.

when they should be low down in the chests at midnight....

/now all we need is a very large crossroads. %-)

402 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:57:37am

re: #401 redc1c4

when they should be low down in the chests at midnight....

/now all we need is a very large crossroads. %-)

I didn't get it heh.

I'm pretty tired this morning. Sorry.

403 redc1c4  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:58:03am

re: #399 WrathofG-d

I was thinking very low grade (ie: just to end of street). Driving in very crowded areas would be though though I guess. Wonder if they could design one that was perimeter and temporary....more of a disruption than a destruction of electrical equipment.

unlikely, given what i know of the effect. better the jammers that are currently in use: at least when they leave the area, resident's equipment isn't FUBAR. with EMP, it's permanently disabled and needs to be replaced. hardly a way to win hearts & minds.

404 redc1c4  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:59:07am

re: #402 MigueldowninMexico

I didn't get it heh.

I'm pretty tired this morning. Sorry.

stakes. cross roads. midnight...........

/picture?

405 x-ray  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:59:22am

re: #397 MigueldowninMexico


I have to vote in every election because I was told you can't bitch if you don't vote. And the not bitchin might just kill me.

406 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, May 30, 2008 12:59:56am

re: #405 x-ray

I have to vote in every election because I was told you can't bitch if you don't vote. And the not bitchin might just kill me.

LOL!

I sort of believe in that...

407 chicagodudewhotrades  Fri, May 30, 2008 1:02:12am

I found the website of Rev. Pfleger's St. Sabina Church:


[Link: a.saintsabina.org...]

408 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, May 30, 2008 1:02:17am

re: #404 redc1c4

stakes. cross roads. midnight...........

/picture?

Bird?

409 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, May 30, 2008 1:03:49am

I guess it's Byrd.

410 x-ray  Fri, May 30, 2008 1:05:28am

re: #390 MigueldowninMexico

Miguel I think the way I wrote that may indicate a different meaning than I meant partially from your response:( Am i nuts or should I clarify?

411 Kozak  Fri, May 30, 2008 1:06:07am

This shit SCREAMS for a 527 organization on the order of "Swift Boat Vets" to make sure this stuff is seen over and over by the public before the general election. Frankly that will be the ONLY political organization getting my $$$$$ this time as I won't be wasting any on the GOP and it's herd of RINO's this time.

412 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, May 30, 2008 1:07:36am

re: #410 x-ray

Miguel I think the way I wrote that may indicate a different meaning than I meant partially from your response:( Am i nuts or should I clarify?

I understood that you were viewing a bleak picture if Obama wins.

The thought of it made me write a sad answer.

413 chicagodudewhotrades  Fri, May 30, 2008 1:09:27am

Okay, snarky comment of the morning time. if you go to the St.Sabina home page and then go to 'about us' then 'history' you will find this gem:

"The men of the church have engaged in outreach to prostitutes "


I'm sure they did! Sorry, I just couldn't resist

414 redc1c4  Fri, May 30, 2008 1:10:13am

re: #408 MigueldowninMexico

Bird?

Have you hear? What's the word? It's Thunderbird!


Crossroads.... scroll down to spirituality.

415 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, May 30, 2008 1:10:20am

re: #413 chicagodudewhotrades

Okay, snarky comment of the morning time. if you go to the St.Sabina home page and then go to 'about us' then 'history' you will find this gem:

"The men of the church have engaged in outreach to prostitutes "


I'm sure they did! Sorry, I just couldn't resist

ROFLMBO!

416 redc1c4  Fri, May 30, 2008 1:12:03am

re: #413 chicagodudewhotrades

if i wasn't a professional, you might have cost me a drink. %-)

417 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, May 30, 2008 1:12:10am

re: #414 redc1c4

Have you hear? What's the word? It's Thunderbird!


Crossroads.... scroll down to spirituality.

Oh!
/Naive Third World Catholic boy here.

//Wondering if producing the Holy Water or not...

418 x-ray  Fri, May 30, 2008 1:13:40am

re: #412 MigueldowninMexico

That was my point so I am just nuts/overly sensitive when talking about race.

Reading in the following remarks were about cross roads and Byrd I thought my meaning was taken in a different direction.

419 redc1c4  Fri, May 30, 2008 1:14:22am

re: #415 MigueldowninMexico

ROFLMBO!

Rolling On the Floor Laughing My Barack Off.....

/i don't think you're helping the children with this. %-)

420 redc1c4  Fri, May 30, 2008 1:15:52am

re: #418 x-ray

That was my point so I am just nuts/overly sensitive when talking about race.

Reading in the following remarks were about cross roads and Byrd I thought my meaning was taken in a different direction.

i drag things off at random, just to keep everyone in shape..... %-)

421 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, May 30, 2008 1:16:19am

re: #418 x-ray

That was my point so I am just nuts/overly sensitive when talking about race.

Reading in the following remarks were about cross roads and Byrd I thought my meaning was taken in a different direction.

That was more like to answer red.

I was the one who went astray lol
That guy talks about things I don't want to know about lol

422 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, May 30, 2008 1:22:00am

I'm listening to an uber-moonbatic beautiful song.

It's beautiful, this is exactly what old hippies and boomers sorely miss.

423 x-ray  Fri, May 30, 2008 1:26:56am

Red and Miguel thanks at least I'm not completely nuts.

424 redc1c4  Fri, May 30, 2008 1:36:28am

re: #423 x-ray

Red and Miguel thanks at least I'm not completely nuts.

you want a second opinion on that?
x-rays are notorious for causing issues.....

/but some of my best friends are 91P's %-)

425 littleoldlady  Fri, May 30, 2008 1:37:34am

re: #422 MigueldowninMexico

I miss those days.

/sob!

;-)

426 redc1c4  Fri, May 30, 2008 1:40:59am

re: #422 MigueldowninMexico

I'm listening to an uber-moonbatic beautiful song.

It's beautiful, this is exactly what old hippies and boomers sorely miss.

ah yes: music from back when i was young and had a future....... ya gotta admit it's better than 90% of the crap released today...... not that that says anything positive. in fact, it's positively Malo.

427 redc1c4  Fri, May 30, 2008 1:42:20am

re: #425 littleoldlady

I miss those days.

/sob!

;-)

you can remember that far back?

/me ducks thrown fruit cup....... %-)

428 x-ray  Fri, May 30, 2008 1:43:22am

re: #424 redc1c4

No idea what a 91P is but there is a theory that playing wit electronics which X-ray generators are the worst drive one nuts. So I probably am on the slippery slope:)

429 littleoldlady  Fri, May 30, 2008 1:43:40am

re: #427 redc1c4

Why, yes. Yes, I can. Even further back than that.

/you're a brave man...

430 redc1c4  Fri, May 30, 2008 1:45:54am

re: #428 x-ray

No idea what a 91P is but there is a theory that playing wit electronics which X-ray generators are the worst drive one nuts. So I probably am on the slippery slope:)

91P is army speak for X-ray tech..... i reclassed as a 91Q (pharmacy tech) and then promptly joined an Armored Cavalry unit......

/no slots %-)

431 redc1c4  Fri, May 30, 2008 1:46:39am

re: #429 littleoldlady

Why, yes. Yes, I can. Even further back than that.

/you're a brave man...

brave/foolish

fine line...... %-)

432 x-ray  Fri, May 30, 2008 1:49:47am

re: #430 redc1c4

My army speak is limited but I do know what a P38 is:)

433 redc1c4  Fri, May 30, 2008 1:52:49am

re: #432 x-ray

My army speak is limited but I do know what a P38 is:)

but do you have one?

red,
who got some of what were likely the last C-rats issued to US troops.

434 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, May 30, 2008 1:56:22am

re: #425 littleoldlady

I miss those days.

/sob!

;-)

Old hippy!

;)

435 littleoldlady  Fri, May 30, 2008 1:57:06am

re: #434 MigueldowninMexico

Yup!

/I grew up to be the person I was afraid of ;-)

436 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, May 30, 2008 1:58:03am

re: #426 redc1c4

ah yes: music from back when i was young and had a future....... ya gotta admit it's better than 90% of the crap released today...... not that that says anything positive. in fact, it's positively Malo.

Santanita.

I like that song, though


x-ray
No problem. Free crazyness tonight lol

437 x-ray  Fri, May 30, 2008 1:58:44am

re: #433 redc1c4

I do have one but it's the one in the upper right hand corner of the page, It does open cans just a little messier.

The only reason I knew that a P38 was a can opener was I was telling a friend about my P38 and the look I got since he was army was something I will never forget.

The conversation went a little like this " wow I just bought a P38 for only $400.00"

438 redc1c4  Fri, May 30, 2008 1:58:53am

re: #435 littleoldlady

Yup!

/I grew up to be the person I was afraid of ;-)

that's what you get for growing up......

/never had that problem %-)

439 littleoldlady  Fri, May 30, 2008 2:00:01am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --------------->
Help yourselves!

440 redc1c4  Fri, May 30, 2008 2:01:49am

re: #439 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --------------->
Help yourselves!

yer late, and it tastes funny.....

441 littleoldlady  Fri, May 30, 2008 2:02:39am

re: #440 redc1c4

Does it? Not mine.

/am NOT late.
//okay. 1 lousy second...

442 x-ray  Fri, May 30, 2008 2:02:50am

re: #439 littleoldlady

Good Morning too you.

443 redc1c4  Fri, May 30, 2008 2:04:36am

re: #441 littleoldlady

Does it? Not mine.

/am NOT late.
//okay. 1 lousy second...

as i used to tell my students...... on time is like pregnant.

either you are or you aren't.

/got their attention every time. %-)

444 littleoldlady  Fri, May 30, 2008 2:05:03am

x-ray! :-)

Miguelito! :-)

445 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, May 30, 2008 2:05:26am
446 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, May 30, 2008 2:06:35am

re: #444 littleoldlady

x-ray! :-)

Miguelito! :-)

Hello littleoldlady :)
Thanks for the fruitcup!

447 littleoldlady  Fri, May 30, 2008 2:08:56am

re: #443 redc1c4

Go ahead. Dock my pay!

Slumbering! :-)

448 littleoldlady  Fri, May 30, 2008 2:09:20am

re: #446 MigueldowninMexico

So rare, and so nice to see you! ;-)

449 Fenway_Nation  Fri, May 30, 2008 2:10:47am

re: #440 redc1c4

yer late, and it tastes funny.....

I had to disconnect the Fruicupitron 3000 ever since I found out it was linket to SkyNet

450 redc1c4  Fri, May 30, 2008 2:11:02am

re: #447 littleoldlady

Go ahead. Dock my pay!

Slumbering! :-)

naw..... we'll just take away a day off instead.

451 littleoldlady  Fri, May 30, 2008 2:12:44am

Fenway! :-)

452 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, May 30, 2008 2:13:45am

re: #448 littleoldlady

So rare, and so nice to see you! ;-)

Thanks a lot littleoldlady.
I appreciate that!
;)

453 x-ray  Fri, May 30, 2008 2:14:21am

Y'all be careful and be sure not to spill on Littleoldlady's Buffet I think it might be special:)

454 littleoldlady  Fri, May 30, 2008 2:16:05am

re: #450 redc1c4

naw..... we'll just take away a day off instead.

Guess I can handle that.

/which day?

455 littleoldlady  Fri, May 30, 2008 2:17:46am

re: #453 x-ray

Yeah, not just my buffet. I've also graduated from "vintage" to "antique".

/long, long time ago.
//meanwhile, that is one UGLY piece of furniture!

456 x-ray  Fri, May 30, 2008 2:22:05am

re: #455 littleoldlady
//meanwhile, that is one UGLY piece of furniture!


You are right that belongs in one of Sadams mansions not your house sorry.

457 Crepuscular Prick  Fri, May 30, 2008 2:23:28am

HOPE, CHANGE, DISAPPOINTMENT

458 x-ray  Fri, May 30, 2008 2:25:29am

Good night all. Have a great Friday.

459 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, May 30, 2008 2:25:45am

re: #458 x-ray

Good night all. Have a great Friday.

Good night x ray!

460 redc1c4  Fri, May 30, 2008 2:26:09am

re: #458 x-ray

Good night all. Have a great Friday.


fryday!

461 Fenway_Nation  Fri, May 30, 2008 2:28:24am

I was stuck listening to CNN at the airport this morning....the way the anchorbabe was passing out the Obama Kool-Aid was vomit-inducing (haven't had too much opportunity to see/hear the broadcast media's fawning over Obama- just print & online so far).

462 littleoldlady  Fri, May 30, 2008 2:28:43am

'Night, x-ray! :-)

/it's Friday?!
//oy

463 redc1c4  Fri, May 30, 2008 2:30:28am

just ran out of wine.....

that's a sign!

L8r!

/whitesmoke!

464 littleoldlady  Fri, May 30, 2008 2:32:54am
465 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, May 30, 2008 2:33:24am

re: #462 littleoldlady

'Night, x-ray! :-)

/it's Friday?!
//oy

TGIF

466 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, May 30, 2008 2:33:51am

re: #463 redc1c4

just ran out of wine.....

that's a sign!

L8r!

/whitesmoke!

hIC!

467 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, May 30, 2008 2:36:41am

re: #440 redc1c4

yer late, and it tastes funny.....

C'mon now. When the fruitcup tastes funny, we all know who the real culprit is. Not that I'm com- *hick* complaining.

468 mikeinmd  Fri, May 30, 2008 2:37:03am

Fryday at last.
The last Friday I'll be working, going to a four day week.
Morning, everyone.

469 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, May 30, 2008 2:37:25am

We caught you RED handed!

470 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, May 30, 2008 2:37:53am

re: #468 mikeinmd

Fryday at last.
The last Friday I'll be working, going to a four day week.
Morning, everyone.

Good morning!

471 littleoldlady  Fri, May 30, 2008 2:39:17am

Hiya mikeinmd! :-)

472 Panhandler  Fri, May 30, 2008 2:42:14am

re: #470 MigueldowninMexico
I know it's always morning somewhere, but why here and why now?
*licks old peanut butter of cleanest spoon, tries to not spill LoL's magnificent, magnaminus,munificent fruit cup*
Hola Miguel

473 mikeinmd  Fri, May 30, 2008 2:44:35am

re: #470 MigueldowninMexico

re: #471 littleoldlady

Back at ya !

Nice morning hear, birds are chirping, neighbors cut their grass last night, and Obama's got some 'splaining to do. What more could you want ?

474 littleoldlady  Fri, May 30, 2008 2:45:45am

re: #473 mikeinmd

Obama's got some 'splaining to do

To whom, exactly?

/nobody here but us chickens!

Panhandler! :-)

475 mikeinmd  Fri, May 30, 2008 2:46:21am

re: #473 mikeinmd

hear = here. Good Lord. What the...

476 redc1c4  Fri, May 30, 2008 2:47:27am

re: #472 Panhandler

I know it's always morning somewhere, but why here and why now?
*licks old peanut butter of cleanest spoon, tries to not spill LoL's magnificent, magnaminus,munificent fruit cup*
Hola Miguel

and then........ the colors started. %-)

477 Panhandler  Fri, May 30, 2008 2:50:25am

re: #476 redc1c4

Colors I don't mind, it's the "Shocked I tell you, Shocked" approach of Obama that's giving me the heebejeebies.

478 Panhandler  Fri, May 30, 2008 2:52:13am

re: #477 Panhandler

When GoC shows up I'm going to challange her to figure out a way to use that phrase in class.

479 littleoldlady  Fri, May 30, 2008 2:54:36am

re: #478 Panhandler

Good luck with that! ;-)

480 Panhandler  Fri, May 30, 2008 2:54:52am

Oh well, it was a good thread and had a long and purposeful life.

481 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, May 30, 2008 2:55:09am

re: #476 redc1c4

The colors, the colors
Window-pane wanderings
Microdot memories
The 16 hit wonder ponders
The meaning of life and
The purpose of..."Holy crap! There's a dinosaur growing out of my forearm"!

482 mikeinmd  Fri, May 30, 2008 2:56:42am

re: #474 littleoldlady

Oh, I just like to see him squirm while he's reaching for answers.
Funny it's the same old answer. He's getting fairly relaxed with the standard now, it seems.

483 Panhandler  Fri, May 30, 2008 2:58:05am

re: #481 Slumbering Behemoth

And the dinosaur thinks" Boy will this drive the evos nuts, there's a human growing out of my nether region"

484 littleoldlady  Fri, May 30, 2008 3:00:33am

re: #482 mikeinmd

Oh, I just like to see him squirm while he's reaching for answers.
Funny it's the same old answer. He's getting fairly relaxed with the standard now, it seems.

Evidently, so is a large number of Americans... :-(

485 Panhandler  Fri, May 30, 2008 3:04:42am

re: #484 littleoldlady

Er, Ah Ahem - "are"

486 littleoldlady  Fri, May 30, 2008 3:07:17am

IS - "A" large number.

/don't mess with me...
//not enough coffee yet

;-)

487 Panhandler  Fri, May 30, 2008 3:09:14am

re: #486 littleoldlady

Yes dear, sorry dear, won't happen again.

488 godfrey  Fri, May 30, 2008 3:13:30am

Good morning, lizards.

As usual, a good post and thread at Belmont Club about Iran's disaster of an economy under Ahmadinejad.

489 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, May 30, 2008 3:16:19am

re: #483 Panhandler

Ha ha ha!

But to drive all the nutters nuts, in that particular instance I was both the sapien and the saurian. At one with all things, yet completely apart from everything.
//

490 littleoldlady  Fri, May 30, 2008 3:18:20am

'Morning, godfrey! :-)

491 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, May 30, 2008 3:19:03am

Good morning, Lizards!

regarding the original thread: tell me against who the racists are? While I don't doubt that Hillary felt entitled to the nomination, I do strongly doubt she felt so because she's white.

492 littleoldlady  Fri, May 30, 2008 3:22:02am

'Morning, goddess! :-)

493 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, May 30, 2008 3:23:17am

{littleoldlady}!

494 godfrey  Fri, May 30, 2008 3:25:02am

Morning, littleoldlady! Fruitcup hits the spot, as usual.

Nice to see the Obama Freak Show continuing to draw crowds. I'm interested in the low-level buzz from the Clintons that Obama can't win the general. The Clintons have a finely-tuned dirt machine: I'm sure they know much more than they let on. And given that Hillary and McCain are friendly, I'm wondering under what circumstances will Hillary share info with the McCain campaign about additional dirt on Obama. It's far from inconceivable.

495 godfrey  Fri, May 30, 2008 3:26:18am

re: #491 goddessoftheclassroom

Morning, teach. I've seen fewer politicians so obsessed with race than Obama.

496 littleoldlady  Fri, May 30, 2008 3:29:06am

re: #494 godfrey

Two issues:

1. Will McCain use it?

2. Will it matter to the electorate?

I've finally pinpointed my fear. It's not an Obama presidency, per se. It's the possibility that a majority of my fellow citizens might actually vote for him. :-(

497 mikeinmd  Fri, May 30, 2008 3:30:52am

Israeli poll finds Netanyahu would win elections

The Dialog poll indicates that popular Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni would come in second and Defense Minister Ehud Barak would come in third.

On that note, I have to get to work. Have a great day everyone.

498 vagabond trader  Fri, May 30, 2008 3:33:40am

It is truly hilarious that these nutters never miss an opportunity to condemn themselves in front of the camera. More please!

499 godfrey  Fri, May 30, 2008 3:34:50am

Yes, McCain will use it, but only through proxies. My bet is that he'll win in a landslide. This Obama wave is just America's way of proving to itself in somewhat good faith that it can entertain someone like Obama as a viable presidential candidate. Same way it entertains someone like Hillary. But in the end, Americans have tended to vote conservatively. Obama is a dope with no experience, and Hillary is a sharp but selfish bounder. People will see through this and vote for the cross-aisle voice of experience: McCain.

500 godfrey  Fri, May 30, 2008 3:36:21am

re: #499 godfrey

PS -- If they don't, we're in serious, serious trouble. But you knew that.

501 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, May 30, 2008 3:37:12am

re: #472 Panhandler

I know it's always morning somewhere, but why here and why now?
*licks old peanut butter of cleanest spoon, tries to not spill LoL's magnificent, magnaminus,munificent fruit cup*
Hola Miguel

Why not?
lol

502 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, May 30, 2008 3:38:22am

Actually, I'm leaving, emptying into white.

Good bye and God bless all :)

503 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, May 30, 2008 3:38:38am

Take care!

504 littleoldlady  Fri, May 30, 2008 3:40:08am

re: #499 godfrey

And if you are right about the landslide, we get to hear what a racist bunch of (bitter, clingy) people we Americans we are for many years.

505 littleoldlady  Fri, May 30, 2008 3:40:31am

'Night, Miguelito! :-)

506 godfrey  Fri, May 30, 2008 3:41:17am

re: #504 littleoldlady

We can handle it.

507 littleoldlady  Fri, May 30, 2008 3:43:47am

re: #506 godfrey

I know. They've taken the sting out of the word.

508 Luigi  Fri, May 30, 2008 3:45:19am

Iran to execute a free thinker..

Qur'an critic to be executed in Iran within days
[Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]

509 bill-tb  Fri, May 30, 2008 3:46:57am

Comrade Obama sure has some cool friends ... The hate is everywhere, they all seem to have it, in depth, nuts everywhere. The center of their hate universe is the 'church'. Eventually, even the stupid will see Comrade Obama for what he is.

510 littleoldlady  Fri, May 30, 2008 3:48:11am

Luigi! :-)

re: #509 bill-tb

bill-tb! :-)

From your lips to G-d's ears...

511 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, May 30, 2008 3:49:02am

re: #509 bill-tb

Comrade Obama sure has some cool friends ... The hate is everywhere, they all seem to have it, in depth, nuts everywhere. The center of their hate universe is the 'church'. Eventually, even the stupid will see Comrade Obama for what he is.

I really think that the debates will open some eyes.

512 Panhandler  Fri, May 30, 2008 3:51:17am

re: #511 goddessoftheclassroom
That will depend on whether or not Obama gets to use a teleprompter doesn't it?

513 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, May 30, 2008 3:53:29am

re: #512 Panhandler

That will depend on whether or not Obama gets to use a teleprompter doesn't it?

LOL!

Must dash--I still have so much to do before the end of the school year.

514 ec marm  Fri, May 30, 2008 3:53:39am

re: #486 littleoldlady
Fruitcup over there? &#9758

515 infidelia  Fri, May 30, 2008 3:56:19am

Good morning lizardom, just heading out to work. There was a huge apartment fire complex along that route and the traffic will be hell.

We are being double-teamed. The thugs-of-the-cloth at Trinity tell Obama's base what they want to hear and then Obama tries to tell the rest of us that he's shocked, he's diappointed, this is "divisive" when he wants to "unite". But as long as the fools at Trinity keep flapping their jaws and the MSM keeps showing it, every time it happens more and more Americans are going to wake up.

Have a great day!

516 littleoldlady  Fri, May 30, 2008 3:56:27am

re: #514 ec marm

Fruitcup over there? %u261E

YUP! :-)

/I have you folks so well-trained! ;-)

ec-marm! :-)

517 yesandno  Fri, May 30, 2008 4:01:52am

When Iraq drops the nuke on Israel or some other place....

Obama's response will be:

1. I am dissapointed that talks didn't work so far...we'll talk some more.....

2. We need to understand what they did to deserve being bombed..........

3. They were white, duh........

518 littleoldlady  Fri, May 30, 2008 4:02:53am

Before I go, here's my prediction about the general election:

McCain will get Reaganesque numbers from Jewish voters.

Good day, ALL!™

519 Bubblehead II  Fri, May 30, 2008 4:06:11am

Morning Lizards. I put up a post about this yesterday.

Not your typical white preacher in the ACORN thread yesterday in a reply to one of Mandy's posts. Nice to be ahead of the Lizard King for once :-)

520 Bubblehead II  Fri, May 30, 2008 4:22:08am

Man. didn't know you could kill a dead thread. Time to go to work. May you all have a good day. Type at you later.

521 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, May 30, 2008 4:32:47am
522 onslow  Fri, May 30, 2008 4:35:49am
523 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 30, 2008 4:38:46am
524 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, May 30, 2008 4:47:34am
525 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 30, 2008 4:50:20am
526 Roger  Fri, May 30, 2008 4:55:11am

re: #518 littleoldlady

Here is my prediction: McCain will lose in a land slide to Barry. The country is ripe for the Change.

527 DistantThunder  Fri, May 30, 2008 4:55:22am

A huge pile of manure - but Barak still says there is no pony.

This 2004 SunTimes article interviewed Barak who said:

Obama says he reads the Bible, though not as regularly as he'd like, now that he's on the campaign trail. But he does find time to pray.

"It's not formal, me getting on my knees," he says. "I think I have an ongoing conversation with God.... I'm constantly asking myself questions about what I'm doing, why I am doing it.

"The biggest challenge, I think, is always maintaining your moral compass."

Friends and advisers, such as the Rev. Michael Pfleger, pastor of St. Sabina Roman Catholic Church in the Auburn- Gresham community on the South Side, who has known Obama for the better part of 20 years, help him keep that compass set, he says.

"I always have felt in him this consciousness that, at the end of the day, with all of us, you've got to face God," Pfleger says of Obama. "Faith is key to his life, no question about it. It is central to who he is, and not just in his work in the political field, but as a man, as a black man, as a husband, as a father.... I don't think he could easily divorce his faith from who he is."

528 DistantThunder  Fri, May 30, 2008 4:56:29am

re: #527 DistantThunder

A huge pile of manure - but Barak still says there is no pony.

This 2004 SunTimes article interviewed Barak who said:

2004 Suntimes article

529 yochanan  Fri, May 30, 2008 5:01:58am

pfleger is the opposite of a 'Oreo' he is white on the outside and choc on the inside and a racist one at that.

pfleger is well known in Chicago
wonder who this will anger more
will cardinal George grow a set and fire pfleger?

530 Ilxixiixs  Fri, May 30, 2008 5:07:33am

Father Pfleger makes me embarrassed to be a Catholic.

531 yochanan  Fri, May 30, 2008 5:07:50am

pfleger is not the only big wind in chicago
[Link: weather.aol.com...]

532 yochanan  Fri, May 30, 2008 5:08:35am

there has got to be a pony here with all this horse shit.

533 yochanan  Fri, May 30, 2008 5:12:17am

re: #530 Ilxixiixs

you should be sending cardinal george your opinion

534 doriangrey  Fri, May 30, 2008 5:13:27am

Good morning Lizards..............

535 Widow'smight  Fri, May 30, 2008 5:14:18am

re: #528 DistantThunder

Obama must have been using his Pflueger President Spinning reel when this stuff went on. He was out fishing for Muskies in the Siene River when his Uncle Liberated Paris.

[Link: www.pfluegerfishing.com...]

536 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 30, 2008 5:14:58am

Obama's generosity knows no bounds. He gives and gives.

537 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 30, 2008 5:16:16am
538 Nevergiveup  Fri, May 30, 2008 5:17:42am

So how is everybody this morning? My daughter had her senior prom last night, so I got about 5 minutes sleep.

539 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 30, 2008 5:17:56am

re: #537 savage_nation

SAVAGE!

re: #526 Roger

Here is my prediction: McCain will lose in a land slide to Barry. The country is ripe for the Change.

I really don't think so. Guess we'll see soon enough.

540 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 30, 2008 5:18:40am

re: #538 Nevergiveup

A Prom on a Thursday night? BRILLIANT!

541 doriangrey  Fri, May 30, 2008 5:19:12am

re: #538 Nevergiveup

So how is everybody this morning? My daughter had her senior prom last night, so I got about 5 minutes sleep.

Wow, five whole minutes.... I probably would have been up all night....Cleaning my GUN...............

542 Nevergiveup  Fri, May 30, 2008 5:19:22am

re: #540 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

A Prom on a Thursday night? BRILLIANT!

Well i assume most of the big catering places are booked for weddings and such on the weekends.

543 Lively  Fri, May 30, 2008 5:20:20am

re: #528 DistantThunder

2004 Suntimes article

From your link:

Obama doesn't believe he, or anyone else, will go to hell.

That's not what traditional Christians believe.

544 Nevergiveup  Fri, May 30, 2008 5:20:46am

re: #541 doriangrey

Wow, five whole minutes.... I probably would have been up all night....Cleaning my GUN...............

I like and trust her boyfriend, it is the other kids I worry about. And i worry anyway. Although the first time I met this boyfriend, I just happened to be in uniform.

545 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 30, 2008 5:20:51am
546 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, May 30, 2008 5:21:28am
547 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 30, 2008 5:22:08am

re: #542 Nevergiveup

Wasn't being sarcastic. I think it's smart. Probably cuts down a bit on shenanigans. Only a bit, but a bit's a bit.

Of course I am forgetting the genius of those youngsters. (With their Hair and their Clothes and their Rock and Roll Music.)

548 Nevergiveup  Fri, May 30, 2008 5:22:32am

re: #546 savage_nation

Did the young man get wobbly in the knees?

He was surprised. Up here in NJ, you don't normally see people in uniform unfortunately. Blue state and all.

549 Nevergiveup  Fri, May 30, 2008 5:24:11am

re: #547 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wasn't being sarcastic. I think it's smart. Probably cuts down a bit on shenanigans. Only a bit, but a bit's a bit.

Of course I am forgetting the genius of those youngsters. (With their Hair and their Clothes and their Rock and Roll Music.)

Hair,clothes and rock and roll--that's my generation?

550 yochanan  Fri, May 30, 2008 5:26:06am

[Link: a.saintsabina.org...]

obama/osama's rejection of wright/phflager is a total sham. only done for the white voters.

551 Nevergiveup  Fri, May 30, 2008 5:27:24am

re: #550 yochanan

[Link: a.saintsabina.org...]

obama/osama's rejection of wright/phflager is a total sham. only done for the white voters.

The white sucker vote and the really stupid jewish vote.

552 doriangrey  Fri, May 30, 2008 5:31:09am

re: #544 Nevergiveup

I like and trust her boyfriend, it is the other kids I worry about. And i worry anyway. Although the first time I met this boyfriend, I just happened to be in uniform.

Liking and trusting a young man is all fine and dandy, however at the end of the day he is still just that, a young man. And it never hurts to remind young men just how much you love and prise your little girl. Nothing like the fear of god (or daddy's .45) to help a young man remember how to treat your most prized possession with all the respect that is her due.

553 Nevergiveup  Fri, May 30, 2008 5:31:53am

re: #552 doriangrey

Liking and trusting a young man is all fine and dandy, however at the end of the day he is still just that, a young man. And it never hurts to remind young men just how much you love and prise your little girl. Nothing like the fear of god (or daddy's .45) to help a young man remember how to treat your most prized possession with all the respect that is her due.

Very true.

554 eaglewingz08  Fri, May 30, 2008 5:33:21am

Oh my, what another unfortunate 'coincidence' for Father Pfleger (what is it anyway with these dem antiamericans with strange P combinations to their last names, Plame, Pflegar, and there's another Obamanation Senior Advisor, I think Ploouf, as well) who was enrolled in the 70s at a Catholic Church which held Black Panther meetings in the Rectory. Sure Jesus held and supported zealot meetings with people seeking the violent overthrow of Roman occupation of Judea. Not. I think it's time we all chipped in and got the Obamanation another bus. The one he has now has too many bodies underneath it to run smoothly.

555 ethanxxx  Fri, May 30, 2008 5:33:32am

The Rev. Michael Pfleger comes across as the Vanilla Ice of Black ministers. What kind of accent is that? And, what the Hell are they putting in the water in Chicago?

556 doriangrey  Fri, May 30, 2008 5:34:07am

re: #549 Nevergiveup

Hair,clothes and rock and roll--that's my generation?

Heh heh heh mine too, which is exactly why I would probably spend the entire night cleaning my gun... In my favorite chair right in front of the front door.................... (Just because I used to be a rock star doesn't mean I am stupid)....

557 M. Bensson-Levi  Fri, May 30, 2008 5:34:19am

re: #546 savage_nation

Hey Guy,

You still here? Give me a heads up if you are.

558 Nevergiveup  Fri, May 30, 2008 5:35:36am

Another crane collapse in NYC. Somebody is not doing their job. Hey Bloomie baby- glad your not a Republican anymore!

559 Nevergiveup  Fri, May 30, 2008 5:36:19am

91st and 1st ave-- nice area

560 Nevergiveup  Fri, May 30, 2008 5:37:51am

1 dead 1 critical

561 MandyManners  Fri, May 30, 2008 5:37:53am

LOS ANGELES - Steven Tyler checked into a rehab facility in search of a "safe environment" to recover from several foot surgeries and physical therapy, the Aerosmith frontman said in a statement Thursday.

Tyler said the surgeries were to correct long-time foot injuries resulting from his physical performances as the singer for the blues-rock band.

SNIP

He's 60?

562 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 30, 2008 5:43:34am

re: #549 Nevergiveup

Hair,clothes and rock and roll--that's my generation?

and their tatoos?

563 Nevergiveup  Fri, May 30, 2008 5:45:18am

re: #562 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

and their tatoos?

No tattoos. Against the religion and all.

564 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 30, 2008 5:47:07am

My son pegs the meter on genius. I begged him not to mark himself with tatoos. I am fortunate to have a son who I get along with and who respects my opinion greatly.

Several giant tatoos.

565 Lively  Fri, May 30, 2008 5:47:38am

re: #561 MandyManners

LOS ANGELES - Steven Tyler checked into a rehab facility in search of a "safe environment" to recover from several foot surgeries and physical therapy, the Aerosmith frontman said in a statement Thursday.

Tyler said the surgeries were to correct long-time foot injuries resulting from his physical performances as the singer for the blues-rock band.

SNIP

He's 60?

His home is not "safe"? He could hire someone to cook for him, etc. Heck, some girls would do it for free.

566 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 30, 2008 5:48:42am

Gotta make like horse poop and hit the trail.

Gotta make like a tree and leave.

Gotta make like a shepherd and get the flock outta here.

Have fun. Be good to oneanother.

567 Lively  Fri, May 30, 2008 5:49:27am

re: #564 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My son pegs the meter on genius. I begged him not to mark himself with tatoos. I am fortunate to have a son who I get along with and who respects my opinion greatly.

Several giant tatoos.

I don't get it when women in their 40's get tatoos.

568 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, May 30, 2008 5:49:48am

re: #567 Lively

eeeeeeeewwwwwwww! Me too.

569 Lively  Fri, May 30, 2008 5:50:31am

re: #568 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

eeeeeeeewwwwwwww! Me too.


Have a good day at work.

570 nadadhimmi  Fri, May 30, 2008 5:51:18am

re: #10 hadanuf

If this were a white republican who attended a white racist church for one day, the press would have hounded the person out of politics. What the hell?

It doesn't matter what Obama does, he is indemnified by his race against all wrongdoing. The msm is so full of liberal white guilt, they deem any criticism of his policies as racism. Conversely, Obama can shout out anything he wishes and not be called to account. It's a " proven fact ", IN ALL 57 STATES.

571 MandyManners  Fri, May 30, 2008 5:54:12am

re: #565 Lively

His home is not "safe"? He could hire someone to cook for him, etc. Heck, some girls would do it for free.

Maybe he's looking for some place quiet where he won't be tempted to jump off the saddle.

572 DistantThunder  Fri, May 30, 2008 5:55:09am

re: #543 Lively

That's not what traditional Christians believe.

yeah, No one going to hell would also exclude Saddam and Hitler and Osama bin Laden. and achmininjihad - no wonder he wants to talk to anyone and everyone.

Someone needs to ask him if he even believes in evil - what would happend to Stalin and Hitler - no hell - then where?

573 littleO  Fri, May 30, 2008 5:55:18am

Just ripped off a letter to the Very Rev. John Canary, VG Archdiocese of Chicago. (fax.# 312-337-6379). I pointed out that preaching politics from the pulpit is very much frowned upon by Rome and the support of Liberation Theology is banned by Rome.
If any others out there are interested in this, I urge some respounse on your own.

574 realwest  Fri, May 30, 2008 5:56:13am

Good Morning all y'all - from a warm (63 degrees, going up to 86 degrees) sunny and Carolina Blue skied Charlotte!
How is everyone this morning?

575 tfc3rid  Fri, May 30, 2008 5:57:47am

re: #558 Nevergiveup

Another crane collapse in NYC. Somebody is not doing their job. Hey Bloomie baby- glad your not a Republican anymore!

Too much construction, too many illegals working the sites, too little safety engineers...

Bloomberg wants the city to be nothing but high rises and this happens...again...

576 realwest  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:01:41am

re: #575 tfc3rid Good morning my friend - glad to see you weren't hurt (I know you don't live up there, but you coulda been visiting a GF or something!).
Do you remember where the last crane collapse was in NYC (Fox says it was 10 weeks ago)?

577 yochanan  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:02:05am

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

obama peeps are in full spin.

578 doriangrey  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:02:22am

re: #574 realwest

Good Morning all y'all - from a warm (63 degrees, going up to 86 degrees) sunny and Carolina Blue skied Charlotte!
How is everyone this morning?

Good morning to you realwest. Hope you are well this morning... Aww crap, time to hop into the ole vette and putt off to work... Oh and yes, its looking to be a wonderful day out here on the left coast. Its wonder and beauty spoiled only by our corrupt thieving worthless communist/Marxist/socialists tyrants pretending to be politicians. Sigh......

579 DistantThunder  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:02:31am

Hey realwest - a good day to be alive and feel safer in the US - there is a great article by John Hinderacker that details terror attacks against official US targets - and basically - 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 - zip, nada, zilch.

"W" vs. Terror: Something's Working

1988: Marine Lt.-Col. William Higgins, chief of the UN Truce Force in Lebanon, murdered by Hezbollah. Pan Am flight 103 blown up, killing 270, including a number of US military personnel.
1991: American University in Beirut bombed.
1993: Pakistani terrorist kills two agents and wounds three outside CIA headquarters. World Trade Center bombed, killing six and injuring more than 1,000.
1995: Operation Bojinka, al Qaeda's plan to blow up 12 airliners over the Pacific, discovered. Five Americans killed in attack on US Army office in Saudi Arabia.
1996: Truck bomb at Khobar Towers kills 19 American servicemen and injures 240.
1997: Terrorists murder four American oil-company employees in Pakistan.
1998: US Embassy in Peru bombed. Simultaneous attacks on US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania kill more than 300 people and injure more than 5,000.
1999: Pilot of Egypt Air flight 990 crashes airplane into ocean, killing 100 Americans, while yelling "Allahu akbar!"
2000: Suicide boat explodes next to the USS Cole, killing 17 American sailors and injuring 39.
2001: Terrorists with four hijacked airplanes kill around 3,000 Americans in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania. The "shoe bomber" tries to blow up a transatlantic flight.
After 9/11, nearly everyone expected more such attacks to follow. Instead, the pace of successful attacks against the United States slowed - and decelerated further after the onset of the Iraq war. Here's the record:
2002: Diplomat Laurence Foley murdered in Jordan, in an operation directed by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi from Iraq.
2003: Suicide bombings in Saudi Arabia kill 36 Americans.
2004: No successful attacks by terrorist groups inside the United States or against American interests abroad.
2005, 2006, 2007: No successful terror attacks inside the US or against US interests abroad.
2008: So far, no successful attacks inside the US or against US interests abroad.
580 Widow'smight  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:02:39am

re: #541 doriangrey

You mean like this?

[Link: technorati.com...]

581 MandyManners  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:03:11am

LEAVE THEM ALONE!

RIO DE JANEIRO (Reuters) - Amazon Indians from one of the world's last uncontacted tribes have been photographed from the air, with striking images released on Thursday showing them painted bright red and brandishing bows and arrows.

The photographs of the tribe near the border between Brazil and Peru are rare evidence that such groups exist. A Brazilian official involved in the expedition said many of them are in increasing danger from illegal logging.

SNIP

582 yochanan  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:03:37am

re: #555 ethanxxx

The Rev. Michael Pfleger comes across as the Vanilla Ice of Black ministers. What kind of accent is that? And, what the Hell are they putting in the water in Chicago?

pfleger is well known here in chicago obama knows exactly what he has here IT IS TOTALLY DISENGENOUS FOR HIM TO ACT LIKE HE DOESN'T KNOW IT.

libs will be fools and not care

583 realwest  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:04:34am

Hey folks - here's a headline/story - see if you can guess the source:

Top Democrats intend to push for quick end to US presidential nomination battle

WASHINGTON - Democratic leaders are pushing for a quick end to their party's grueling presidential nomination battle, as supporters of Hillary Rodham Clinton planned a weekend rally in hopes of saving her faltering candidacy.

Barack Obama is now within striking distance of the nomination after a combative months-long campaign that some top Democrats have openly worried could harm the party's chances at the White House. Republican John McCain effectively wrapped up the Republican nomination in March.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said that he, House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi and party chairman Howard Dean will urge uncommitted superdelegates - the party leaders and others who may choose whomever they like - to choose sides quickly so that there is not a fight at the August convention.

"By this time next week, it will all be over, give or take a day," Reid said Thursday.

Democratic officials said Pelosi already has begun contacting uncommitted House members urging them to weigh in soon after the primary season ends.
[Link: enews.earthlink.net...]
And don't go searching the spinoff links, I don't know if it's in them or not!

584 doriangrey  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:05:12am

re: #580 Widow'smight

You mean like this?

[Link: technorati.com...]

I dont know...technorati is temporarily borked...

585 J.S.  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:05:22am

Not to worry, I'm certain that with the latest Pfleger affair, the Obamanation's approval rating amongst the KKKosers, etc, has jumped five fold....CNN will shortly be reporting that ObamaMessiah's poll numbers have climbed yet again, along with more scenes of more fainting crowds and reporters reporting thrills running up their legs.

586 realwest  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:08:23am

re: #579 DistantThunder
Good Morning - yeah, I knew that without having to read that article or see those statistics. But to the Left all that means is that there is no real "War on Terror" doncha see? 9/11 - huh, I thought it was 7-11 ya know, where you go late at night when you've got the muchies, man.
Because if the Left didn't do otherwise, they'd HAVE to give President Bush credit for keeping us safe.
Lefties are such incredible Maroons - most of 'em, anyway.

587 realwest  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:09:53am

OK - here's the answer to the question I posed in my
#583: The Associated (with Terrorists) Press!

Good Lord all y'all guessed correctly! LOL!

588 MandyManners  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:12:19am

Is Pflegler the moral midget a member of ACORN?

589 yochanan  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:14:40am

SSDD

wright/farakhan/phfagler the gift that keeps on giving
[Link: www.suntimes.com...]

590 ethanxxx  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:16:20am

re: #582 yochanan

pfleger is well known here in chicago obama knows exactly what he has here IT IS TOTALLY DISENGENOUS FOR HIM TO ACT LIKE HE DOESN'T KNOW IT.

libs will be fools and not care

The operative word here is FOOL. People like Hussein and Wright and Phlieger aren't fooling anybody that isn't already a fool. Just watching the people in the congregation in some of these videos from the Trinity United Thunderdome of Raving Bigots shows that there certainly is no shortage of fools to fool.

591 formercorpsman  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:16:25am

re: #85 Bob in Breckenridge

Bob, I put that post out there last night with a shit eatin grin.

Perhaps I should have put the tag behind it.

Honestly my friend, I was just pulling your chain.

I did not respond, because in #695, I signaled my departure.

592 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:17:21am

re: #525 savage_nation

calm, cloudy and humid. A couple towns close to here, Fairbury and Kearney got hit last night.

Shoot. That's coming our way today. We're already under a tornado watch.

593 yochanan  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:17:37am

NObama

594 tfc3rid  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:17:52am

re: #576 realwest

Good morning my friend - glad to see you weren't hurt (I know you don't live up there, but you coulda been visiting a GF or something!).
Do you remember where the last crane collapse was in NYC (Fox says it was 10 weeks ago)?

Last crane collapse was in the 50's along First Avenue/York Avenue

595 realwest  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:18:47am

re: #588 MandyManners
Good morning Mandy! I wouldn't be at all surprised if he was a founder of ACORN.
I truly think this guy is a) a coward (for his answer that he didn't know what "snuffing" was; an inability or unwillingness to take responsibility for his words/actions) b) Disenchanted with his Church but too cowardly to leave (who would he be if he didn't wear that Priest's collar and garb? Just another White Boy "militant" like Billy Ayers) or c) seriously, certifiably mentally unbalanced.
I dibs a and b - what do you think?

596 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:18:52am

re: #588 MandyManners

Is Pflegler the moral midget a member of ACORN?

Mandy, I think he is a member of ACORN.

This incident is enough, IMHO. It's time to write Cardinal George and Pope Benedict XVI and get rid of Pfleger. The man should be defrocked.

597 itellu3times  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:20:11am

re: #581 MandyManners

Airdrop a couple of pre-loaded iPods and see if they figure them out.

598 realwest  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:20:17am

re: #594 tfc3rid Thanks.
Do you know if there have been any other crane collapses in NYC since 2006 ?

599 tfc3rid  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:21:42am

re: #598 realwest

Thanks.
Do you know if there have been any other crane collapses in NYC since 2006 ?

Hmmm... Very good question. I would imagine there have been, but not of the large tower cranes that have collapsed lately...

600 antishock8  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:21:57am

Obama is clearly racist. His preacher is clearly a Socialist using "white entitlement" as bat to bash non-Socialists over the head. He's pandering to a racist crowd. Race-baiting and Socialism go hand in hand.

Obama is vile for his racism, and for attending this hatefest-of-a-church. There is no way this Senator should be our national Statesman.

The priest is just a vile human being.

601 yochanan  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:22:44am

not sure Cardinal George will do anything the church's leadership here is spineless.

602 vagabond trader  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:22:44am

So he is offended, never heard anything, notice a trend here? Next step, news conference, umming, uhing, erring, lecturing us on the difference between TWPs and faux black preachers. Uniting, change, hope, er uh, you gonna eat the rest of that waffle?

603 wahabicorridor  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:23:48am

Good morning lizards!

Mike Barnacle on MSNBC this morning said the initial reports he'd read about this Pfleger guy indicates he's adopted 2 children.

What's up with that? As a Catholic, Barnacle is just disgusted with him.

604 MandyManners  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:24:22am

re: #595 realwest

Good morning Mandy! I wouldn't be at all surprised if he was a founder of ACORN.
I truly think this guy is a) a coward (for his answer that he didn't know what "snuffing" was; an inability or unwillingness to take responsibility for his words/actions) b) Disenchanted with his Church but too cowardly to leave (who would he be if he didn't wear that Priest's collar and garb? Just another White Boy "militant" like Billy Ayers) or c) seriously, certifiably mentally unbalanced.
I dibs a and b - what do you think?

A link I posted yesterday stated that ACORN was founded by homemakers in Arkansas. I'll go look for it.

605 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:24:38am

re: #601 yochanan

not sure Cardinal George will do anything the church's leadership here is spineless.

Cardinal George can only do so much, Yoch. He can remove Pfleger from his post, but he cannot remove him from the priesthood. Only Pope Benedict XVI can do that.

Apparently Cardinal George will speak about this today.

606 itellu3times  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:25:42am

re: #598 realwest

Thanks.
Do you know if there have been any other crane collapses in NYC since 2006 ?


[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

A crane collapse March 15 that killed seven people followed complaints from residents about the site and led to the resignation of New York City Buildings Commissioner Patricia Lancaster. A buildings inspector was charged with falsifying a record to show he visited the Manhattan construction site.

After that collapse, at 303 East 51st St., city inspectors said they were examining about 220 mobile cranes in the five boroughs. The inspectors shut down more than a quarter of them.

[Link: abclocal.go.com...]

607 Widow'smight  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:25:43am

re: #584 doriangrey

Rodney Atkins has a song with your words, I'll probably be up all night, just cleaning this gun. Made me laugh when you typed that. I've gone through it with 2 daughters so far.

I don't need a gun, seeing my ugly scowl seems to have been enough so far. Is it just my daughters, or do all girls like scrawny boys?

608 yochanan  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:26:52am

this sort of reminds me of President Grant in Grant case he was clueless to the crooks that surrounded him. At best Obama is clueless to the leftist bigots that surround him more likely he has a very good idea who these people are, I do and I am not even on the southside of Chicago.

609 MandyManners  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:26:58am

re: #596 Honorary Yooper

Mandy, I think he is a member of ACORN.

This incident is enough, IMHO. It's time to write Cardinal George and Pope Benedict XVI and get rid of Pfleger. The man should be defrocked.

I asked last night if it was possible to get him defrocked. What are the grounds for defrocking?

610 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:27:10am

re: #141 MandyManners

I'm sure this already has been asked but, why hasn't the Catolic church defrocked this jerk?

That's a good question. His bishop should at least tell him to STFU.

611 MandyManners  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:27:24am

re: #597 itellu3times

Airdrop a couple of pre-loaded iPods and see if they figure them out.

Nah. I say leave them alone. They're hurting no one.

612 Beach Lover  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:27:48am

Good Morning Lizards! I'm glad to see the coverage that this idiot preacher/priest is getting, but much like the Lewinsky affair with our favorite sleaze ball, the media will ignore the real issue and go with a five second sound bite. There is a much larger and more serious connection that will be the downfall of Obama....the one that could really be the nail in his coffin.

This article about "Acorn" by Stanly Kurtz is long and somewhat hard to follow (which is why it won't get nonstop coverage), but it shows the path that Obama has taken to get where he is today, and that all these "views" are just a result of the lessons. It's worth reading.....I know there were some postings already, but seemed to be more on the Soro's connection.

FTA

So along with the reservoir of political support that came to Obama through his close ties with Jeremiah Wright, Father Michael Pfleger, and other Chicago black churches, Chicago Acorn appears to have played a major role in Obama’s political advance. Sure enough, a bit of digging into Obama’s years in the Illinois State Senate indicates strong concern with Acorn’s signature issues, as well as meetings with Acorn and the introduction by Obama of Acorn-friendly legislation on the living wage and banking practices. You begin to wonder whether, in his Springfield days, Obama might have best been characterized as “the Senator from Acorn.”
613 tfc3rid  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:28:00am

re: #609 MandyManners

I asked last night if it was possible to get him defrocked. What are the grounds for defrocking?

I'm not sure what the official 'criteria' are but I would think that some of the actions he has taken are most certainly questionable.

614 Grammy Cracker  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:28:59am

GOOD MORNING, LIZARDS! Hope you're all well today!

Savage, you still here? Everything okay at your place? We're supposed to get the tail end of it later today.

Lemme get this straight....Barry was just COMPLETELY surprised and 'disappointed' in yet another foul-mouthed, racist-hate-spewing priest/pastor? If we accept his explanation (NOT!), that still means his too disengaged with reality to be president of the garden club, let alone POTUS.

/how long before his buddy the racist rabbi shows up?

615 MandyManners  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:29:13am

re: #603 wahabicorridor

Good morning lizards!

Mike Barnacle on MSNBC this morning said the initial reports he'd read about this Pfleger guy indicates he's adopted 2 children.

What's up with that? As a Catholic, Barnacle is just disgusted with him.

What's wrong with a priest adopting kids?

616 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:30:12am

re: #609 MandyManners

I asked last night if it was possible to get him defrocked. What are the grounds for defrocking?

I don't know, but here's the Code of Canon Law at the Vatican Web site. It would cover what offenses would grounds for a priest to be laicized (have his priestly faculties taken away).

617 lawhawk  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:30:32am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Despite the increased scrutiny on construction projects in NYC, another crane collapsed today, and at least two people are dead. A third person is in critical condition as the crane collapsed at 91st and 1st Avenue sending debris everywhere.

618 MandyManners  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:30:37am

re: #610 Ward Cleaver

That's a good question. His bishop should at least tell him to STFU.

Why not go after the tax-free status of BHO's church?

619 Widow'smight  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:31:44am

re: #612 Beach Lover

How ya doin girl? Going to my sister and Broinlaw's place on North Topsail Island NC June 11th. Been to the Beach yet?

620 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:32:15am

re: #615 MandyManners

What's wrong with a priest adopting kids?

There's no law against it, but it does sound odd. The priest is supposed to focus on his parish (they are his family; his "children").

621 MandyManners  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:32:19am

re: #613 tfc3rid

I'm not sure what the official 'criteria' are but I would think that some of the actions he has taken are most certainly questionable.

Well, if the church can ignore pedophilia priests for years, why should they pay attention to this idiot?

622 tfc3rid  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:32:29am

re: #617 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Despite the increased scrutiny on construction projects in NYC, another crane collapsed today, and at least two people are dead. A third person is in critical condition as the crane collapsed at 91st and 1st Avenue sending debris everywhere.

As I said above, too much construction, too small a space, too many illegals on sites and too few safety engineers... Big problems...

The project I am working on are having enough trouble getting fudning... Build it cheap... That's the deal...

623 MandyManners  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:32:52am

re: #621 MandyManners

Ignore that bomb.

624 tfc3rid  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:33:37am

re: #621 MandyManners

Well, if the church can ignore pedophilia priests for years, why should they pay attention to this idiot?

Well, of course, you're right... I know plenty of 'activist' priests... The difference is that most are still filled with love in their hearts and preaching...

625 MandyManners  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:33:48am

re: #614 Grammy Cracker

GOOD MORNING, LIZARDS! Hope you're all well today!

Savage, you still here? Everything okay at your place? We're supposed to get the tail end of it later today.

Lemme get this straight....Barry was just COMPLETELY surprised and 'disappointed' in yet another foul-mouthed, racist-hate-spewing priest/pastor? If we accept his explanation (NOT!), that still means his too disengaged with reality to be president of the garden club, let alone POTUS.

/how long before his buddy the racist rabbi shows up?

Good question.

626 yochanan  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:34:48am

his adoption of kids was one of the few good things he did in my opinion plenty of black kids in foster homes who never even have a chance of be in anykind of family. it is his radical leftist/racist politics that is the problem.

627 wahabicorridor  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:34:52am

re: #615 MandyManners

What's wrong with a priest adopting kids?

I have no idea but Barnacle, who is Catholic, seemed to think it's nonsense.

Isn't ACORN that group associated with voter fraud?

628 MandyManners  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:34:59am

re: #616 Ward Cleaver

I don't know, but here's the Code of Canon Law at the Vatican Web site. It would cover what offenses would grounds for a priest to be laicized (have his priestly faculties taken away).

Whoa. Way over my head. Thanks any way!

629 lawhawk  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:35:03am

Flegler's faith testimonials were on the Obama website. They've since been airbrushed from history.

Oh, but Obama still attends this church despite its sordid history of racist and hateful preachers, and this is despite Obama saying that he wants to raise his kids in a positive environment.

No wonder Michelle is so damned bitter. When you get those hateful and venomous sermons for 2 decades, something has got to give.

630 realwest  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:35:25am

re: #611 MandyManners I agree completely - geez do we HAVE to bring "civilization" to everyone?!? Leave 'em alone!

631 MandyManners  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:35:35am

re: #620 Ward Cleaver

There's no law against it, but it does sound odd. The priest is supposed to focus on his parish (they are his family; his "children").

Maybe it's possible to do both.

632 yochanan  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:36:33am

this will keep the wright/farakhan/phlager issue alive till nov. NO WAY IS OBAMA GOING TO PUT THIS TO REST NOW.

633 realwest  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:36:54am

re: #612 Beach Lover Hey Beach Lover! Good to see you out here again! Great post and I've reported it to Charles as maybe being thread worthy!
Hope you're doing well!

634 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:37:03am

re: #618 MandyManners

Why not go after the tax-free status of BHO's church?

There's definitely gorunds for that. Churches cannot endorse political candidates by name. They can only advise on what issues church members should pay attention to (like culture of life issues), and inform members where candidates stand on those issues (by offering voter guides).

635 MandyManners  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:37:28am

re: #624 tfc3rid

Well, of course, you're right... I know plenty of 'activist' priests... The difference is that most are still filled with love in their hearts and preaching...

From what I've seen of Pfleger, the room in his heart for love seems very, very small. (I get this image of that scene in which the Grinch's heart is shown.)

636 tfc3rid  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:37:47am

re: #629 lawhawk

Speaking of Michelle O. Is it me or does she remind people of Omarosa from 'The Apprentice'?

637 vagabond trader  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:37:57am

re: #623 MandyManners

Why, it's true. The church won't do a thing with this guy because he is working in an area sorely in need of spiritual guidance.Plus he brings in $$$, and that is where any curious journalist should look.

638 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:38:00am

re: #621 MandyManners

Well, if the church can ignore pedophilia priests for years, why should they pay attention to this idiot?

It's terribly unfortunate that that has happened, but it's mainly liberal bishops that allowed it to go on.

639 LeonidasOfSparta  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:38:15am

Hussein preaches "what unites us" but all the time he's deceitfully an hypocritically proclaiming "HATE WHITEY" -- as are his spiritual friends and mentors.

If it quacks like a duck (RACIST), acts like a duck (RACIST), looks like a duck (RACIST) and flies like a duck (RACIST).....IT'S A DUCK (RACIST.)

Either Hussein is too stupid and self-involved to see these people for what their actions tell us they are, racebaiting hatefilled Marxists, in which case why would our nation want someone THAT daft and incompetent as POTUS; or else he knows, he loves it, he whitewashes it (no pun) and he embraces it, in which case why would our nation want someone that demented as POTUS?

640 Beach Lover  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:38:25am

re: #619 Widow'smight

Hey {FOS}! As a matter of fact....just got back from Hilton Head on Wed nite....and still on vacation(which is why I happen to have more than 5 min. for some LGF time today)

How ya been?

the beach was wonderful.
I'm never ready to come home :-(

641 formercorpsman  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:38:26am

re: #619 Widow'smight

St. Regis is where I met Joe Walsh.

We were talking about on some thread from a couple of nights ago.

642 lawhawk  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:38:32am

re: #622 tfc3rid

I'm not sure about the number of jobs, but it is possible that illegal aliens play a role in other construction accidents around the city. Many of the crane related jobs are unionized, and the unions are very protective of their turf - breaking out the big inflatable rats when a job site isn't using union workers.

The lack of safety engineers is a concern - and the Buildings Dept is a morass of scum and villainy where plans that never should get approved are done so - the building where the crane collapsed in March should never have been approved because it was out of code and no variances were approved.

So, they began blanketing the city looking for violations with cranes and job sites, and they did find a bunch of problems, but accidents will continue to happen because of the pace of construction.

643 WriterMom  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:38:33am

re: #636 tfc3rid

I think someone here already made the Obmamarosa connection...LOL.

644 MandyManners  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:38:52am

re: #627 wahabicorridor

I have no idea but Barnacle, who is Catholic, seemed to think it's nonsense.

Isn't ACORN that group associated with voter fraud?

Yep. There's a thread here from yesterday.

645 tfc3rid  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:39:05am

re: #632 yochanan

this will keep the wright/farakhan/phlager issue alive till nov. NO WAY IS OBAMA GOING TO PUT THIS TO REST NOW.

So what's the 'over/under' on the MSM 'finding' a Christian preacher who supports McCain spewing 'hate speech' today, in order to deflect from everyone's favorite Messiah...

646 itellu3times  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:39:06am

re: #611 MandyManners

Nah. I say leave them alone. They're hurting no one.

Just kidding.

But it's hard to believe they have no contact even with neighbors, in this day and age, even if they've run out of batteries for their GPS's.

647 lawhawk  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:39:22am

re: #636 tfc3rid

Speaking of Michelle O. Is it me or does she remind people of Omarosa from 'The Apprentice'?

Omarosa wasn't bitter. Aggressive and very demanding? Absolutely, but bitter? Nope.

648 tfc3rid  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:39:44am

re: #635 MandyManners

From what I've seen of Pfleger, the room in his heart for love seems very, very small. (I get this image of that scene in which the Grinch's heart is shown.)

Two sizes too small...

BTW, good morning Mandy!

649 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:39:47am

re: #637 vagabond trader

Why, it's true. The church won't do a thing with this guy because he is working in an area sorely in need of spiritual guidance.Plus he brings in $$$, and that is where any curious journalist should look.

He's doing a lot of irregular things (like supporting Farrakhan, giving sermons at TUCC), but it's up to the bishop (his boss) to manage him.

650 bluestater  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:39:54am

OT - Is this a new "Palestinian" tactic to show that their Pallywood reports are credible/legitimate? I've seen this a few times lately - "doctors" claiming something

UFA CROSSING, Gaza Strip - Palestinian doctors say Israel troops opened fire and wounded seven Palestinians in a demonstration at a crossing into Israel.


lying again in Gaza

651 lawhawk  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:39:58am

re: #645 tfc3rid

100%. They'll try to drag out one of the old stories about McCain to say - well everyone has one of those crazy preachers in their past...

652 MandyManners  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:40:10am

re: #630 realwest

I agree completely - geez do we HAVE to bring "civilization" to everyone?!? Leave 'em alone!

Can you imagine how terrified they were when they saw that helicopter overhead?

653 MandyManners  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:41:27am

re: #634 Ward Cleaver

There's definitely gorunds for that. Churches cannot endorse political candidates by name. They can only advise on what issues church members should pay attention to (like culture of life issues), and inform members where candidates stand on those issues (by offering voter guides).

If the government goes after it now, it'll look like a partisan attack.

654 itellu3times  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:41:38am

re: #652 MandyManners

Can you imagine how terrified they were when they saw that helicopter overhead?

Helicopter can interfere with new digital tv transmissions, I'm not surprised they wanted to shoot.

655 tfc3rid  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:41:47am

re: #642 lawhawk

In my industry, we are having trouble for our City infrastructure projects because there are too many jobs and not enough qualified contractors who have not been blacklisted by the City's archaic VENDEX system...

So, we have a $3 Billion water treatment plant that needs construction, there is only 1 contractor who can actually bid the job because no one wants to put up the $$ to do it...

656 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:41:48am

re: #581 MandyManners

LEAVE THEM ALONE!

RIO DE JANEIRO (Reuters) - Amazon Indians from one of the world's last uncontacted tribes have been photographed from the air, with striking images released on Thursday showing them painted bright red and brandishing bows and arrows.

The photographs of the tribe near the border between Brazil and Peru are rare evidence that such groups exist. A Brazilian official involved in the expedition said many of them are in increasing danger from illegal logging.

SNIP

I agree, leave them alone.

657 realwest  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:42:10am

re: #626 yochanan I'm confused as all hell about this. First of all Priests are not allowed to marry, right? And they are supposed to be celibate, right? So when he adopted those kids, doesn't that mean he was bringing them to a one-parent home from the get go, and the home of someone who would appear to hardly ever be home (given all his activities for ACORN, Obama and other radical, far left wing causes). If he did it out of the true goodness of his heart, as opposed to giving himself more street creds with Black Americans, good on him. But I still wonder who's minding the kids while he's doing whatever Priests do AND all of his political activities as well.

658 MandyManners  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:42:11am

re: #637 vagabond trader

Why, it's true. The church won't do a thing with this guy because he is working in an area sorely in need of spiritual guidance.Plus he brings in $$$, and that is where any curious journalist should look.

Money? I thought they were the poor and oppressed.

659 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:42:44am

re: #653 MandyManners

If the government goes after it now, it'll look like a partisan attack.

It'd look like a partisan attack no matter when it happened, as long as it's Republicans going after moonbats.

660 Beach Lover  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:43:53am

re: #633 realwest

Hey real! good to see you,too. Hope you are dong well. Thanks for sending to Charles...I am sadly inept at most of this stuff. I just got a new cell phone yesterday and it has taken me 2 hours and I still can't even get a new ringtone on the @#$^$% thing!

661 Grammy Cracker  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:43:58am

re: #651 lawhawk

100%. They'll try to drag out one of the old stories about McCain to say - well everyone has one of those crazy preachers in their past...

I often heard a message about race relations in my Baptist church growing up. It went like this....

Jesus loves the little children
All the children of the world
Red and Yellow, Black and White
They are precious in his sight
Jesus loves the little children of the world.

/Typical!

662 vagabond trader  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:44:10am

ACORN has also been deeply involved with the sub prime mortgage scam by demanding banks loan to high risk minority clients.I do believe that Sharpton is also involved with all this. Have to do some snooping.

663 MandyManners  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:44:21am

re: #646 itellu3times

Just kidding.

But it's hard to believe they have no contact even with neighbors, in this day and age, even if they've run out of batteries for their GPS's.

While I have no use for the Noble Savage, I just don't think they should be forced into this century.

664 MandyManners  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:45:53am

re: #648 tfc3rid

Two sizes too small...

BTW, good morning Mandy!

As cuddly as a cactus.

Good morning to you, too!

665 realwest  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:46:10am

re: #650 bluestater Well they are Palestinian doctors so I'll let you draw your own conclussions.

666 MandyManners  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:46:40am

re: #649 Ward Cleaver

He's doing a lot of irregular things (like supporting Farrakhan, giving sermons at TUCC), but it's up to the bishop (his boss) to manage him.

Is his bishop a moonbat, a supporter of "liberation" theology?

667 WriterMom  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:46:44am

re: #650 bluestater

Yes, it's always doctors, particularly pediatricians who make the reports. It sounds more credible than "Slimy jihadi terrorist hiding in civilian populations like nursery schools report that..."

668 loppyd  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:46:53am

Good Morning Lizard Nation!

Sorry if this has already been posted: I'm multitasking which I am very unskilled at. LOL

Pfleger warned about pulpit politics. Pfleger stepped down from "Catholics for Obama."

Some SNIPS:

Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt said Pfleger stepped down from a ''Catholics for Obama'' committee a few weeks ago, but would not say why.

Pfleger is a longtime Obama friend and was in the audience at the National Press Club for that Wright press conference, and when we talked afterward, he realized Wright created a problem for Obama.

669 vagabond trader  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:47:13am

re: #658 MandyManners

Only the congregants are. The leaders get all kinds of swell bennies like multi million dollar mansions in gated communities.

670 WriterMom  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:47:17am

re: #665 realwest

Seriously. What kind of oath do they take?

"First, kill all infidels." I mean really.

671 MandyManners  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:47:21am

re: #654 itellu3times

Helicopter can interfere with new digital tv transmissions, I'm not surprised they wanted to shoot.

That red paint is bizarre.

672 yochanan  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:48:04am

This all goes to obama judgement since he has no record to speak of.
of course hard core donks will not care but it is not the hard supporters that win elections it is how the center breaks.

673 lawhawk  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:48:09am

Iraqi PM Maliki says national reconciliation almost done.

I guess we can chalk that up to Iranian goodwill too, eh Nancy?

674 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:48:11am

Pic of "Father" Michael Pfleger with a co-religionist.

Why hasn't he been defrocked? Paging Pope Kickass I.

And good morning.

675 realwest  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:48:17am

re: #660 Beach Lover
ROTFLOMAO! That's ok, I still don't OWN a cell phone! LOL!

676 MandyManners  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:48:17am

re: #659 Ward Cleaver

It'd look like a partisan attack no matter when it happened, as long as it's Republicans going after moonbats.

Agreed.

677 WriterMom  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:48:56am

A friend sent me the funniest ring tone ("ULULULULULU Allahuakbar"), but I couldn't figure out how to put it on my phone. Probably a good idea....

678 MandyManners  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:49:10am

re: #662 vagabond trader

ACORN has also been deeply involved with the sub prime mortgage scam by demanding banks loan to high risk minority clients.I do believe that Sharpton is also involved with all this. Have to do some snooping.

Go for it!

679 Karridine  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:49:34am

Did anyone else notice that "Father" Pflegman spoke to the 'church' by CLOSING HIS EYES, going inside and creating his stuff in the dark?

/Can't stand the light...

680 Nevergiveup  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:49:41am

Seems some Palestinians are finding out that violence has some consequences! And stay out of it Madame Rice.
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

681 WriterMom  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:50:29am

re: #680 Nevergiveup

She will fully bail them out. And probably increase their undeserved scholarship to include living allowances, bus fare, etc...and free piano lessons.

682 WriterMom  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:51:03am

re: #679 Karridine

His name reminds me of phlegm.

683 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:51:12am

I was going to go to Pfleger's parish Web site (St. Sabina) to look at his bulletin (to see the attendence numbers and collection $), but their site is getting hammered (bandwidth limit exceeded). Maybe later.

684 MandyManners  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:51:16am

re: #669 vagabond trader

Only the congregants are. The leaders get all kinds of swell bennies like multi million dollar mansions in gated communities.

Harder for the camel to enter the eye of the needle.

685 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:51:35am

re: #663 MandyManners

While I have no use for the Noble Savage, I just don't think they should be forced into this century.

Tough call, IMHO. Arguably, the conditions they live in constitute "incredibly extreme poverty". Who makes the call as to whether they are "allowed" contact with, e.g., modern medicine, radio communication, etc.? No easy answer.

686 MandyManners  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:52:04am

re: #674 Occasional Reader

Pic of "Father" Michael Pfleger with a co-religionist.

Why hasn't he been defrocked? Paging Pope Kickass I.

And good morning.

Ick.

687 Nevergiveup  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:52:06am

re: #681 WriterMom

She will fully bail them out. And probably increase their undeserved scholarship to include living allowances, bus fare, etc...and free piano lessons.

Maybe free pilot lessons also?

688 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:52:22am

re: #662 vagabond trader

ACORN has also been deeply involved with the sub prime mortgage scam by demanding banks loan to high risk minority clients.I do believe that Sharpton is also involved with all this. Have to do some snooping.

Yeah, remember the "redlining" scandals, where banks refused to loan for mortgages in certain areas? Now it's swung the other way, where anyone could get a mortgage.

689 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:52:30am

re: #682 WriterMom

His name reminds me of phlegm.

Indeed, "Father Pfleger" sounds like a character Harvey Korman (RIP) would play in a Mel Brooks movie.

690 alegrias  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:53:09am

re: #668 loppyd

Good Morning Lizard Nation!

Sorry if this has already been posted: I'm multitasking which I am very unskilled at. LOL

Pfleger warned about pulpit politics. Pfleger stepped down from "Catholics for Obama."

Some SNIPS:

* * *
Morning/Buenos Dias--Thanks Loppy, really, what a creepy campaign advisor~

Chicago, what a mess. Land of Lincoln, what happened to you? Community organizing is getting a very bad reputation in my book. Tax breaks for "faith" based institutions, like Soros' "charitable" foundations, seem scandalous, corrupt and a rip-off of fellow Americans.

This Pfleger politician in priest's clothing was a campaign ADVISOR.
Pfleger's pulpit act reminds me of another Munich beer hall putscher's circa 1930.

691 MandyManners  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:53:14am

re: #683 Ward Cleaver

I was going to go to Pfleger's parish Web site (St. Sabina) to look at his bulletin (to see the attendence numbers and collection $), but their site is getting hammered (bandwidth limit exceeded). Maybe later.

Maybe someone is busy scouring it.

692 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:53:17am

re: #674 Occasional Reader

Pic of "Father" Michael Pfleger with a co-religionist.

Why hasn't he been defrocked? Paging Pope Kickass I.

And good morning.

He's a typical baby-boomer moonbat priest out of the sixties.

693 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:53:41am
694 Beach Lover  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:54:06am

re: #675 realwest

Really?! Even my 82 yr old mother has a cell phone(to make her long distance calls, doncha know)
thanks...you made me feel better already :-)

695 WriterMom  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:54:11am

Is anyone else sick as sewage about Sex in the City. I was listening to a film critic's NON-REVIEW of the movie on the radio today. He refused to see it. He said something like, this is the Holy Grail of chick flicks and I had to put my foot down...why would I want to go see a movie with 50-something drag queens whining in their (f*cking-my addition) diaries about the guy who did this to them and that to them while they go by more shoes?

HAHAHAHHAHA

696 MandyManners  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:54:14am

re: #685 Occasional Reader

Tough call, IMHO. Arguably, the conditions they live in constitute "incredibly extreme poverty". Who makes the call as to whether they are "allowed" contact with, e.g., modern medicine, radio communication, etc.? No easy answer.

No easy answer, indeed.

I wonder what languge they speak.

697 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:54:23am

re: #666 MandyManners

Is his bishop a moonbat, a supporter of "liberation" theology?

No. Cardinal George is not a supporter of liberation theology as far as I know. Cardinal George did try to remove Pfleger from St. Sabina's a couple of years ago, but was too busy dealing with the fallout from the sex scandal. Apparently there is a great attachment by the people of St. Sabina's to Pfleger, hence why he was allowed 6 more years.

A pastor is granted a 6 year term at a parish, and cen be granted a second one. After that, he is supposed to be transferred to another parish. Pfleger has been at St. Sabina's as pastor for about 20 years now.

698 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:54:31am

re: #691 MandyManners

Maybe someone is busy scouring it.

I'll bet tons of MSMers have hit that site looking for news bytes, and have brought it down.

699 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:54:38am

Harvey Korman: Hello, I'm Father Pfelger.

Slim Pickens [wiping eye]: Well, golldarnit, say it, don't spray it, Padre!

700 lawhawk  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:54:50am

re: #662 vagabond trader

You want Sharpton and ACORN?

I'll give it to you:

Let's go to the videotape.

ACORN is a shakedown, just like the one paid to Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton. It's seen as a cost of doing business.

But lest we think that Obama's the only one with ties to ACORN, hold the phone:

Sen. Hillary Clinton was a speaker at the 2006 convention, as was John Edwards. Sharpton was a special guest at that one.

701 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:54:58am

re: #579 DistantThunder

Hey realwest - a good day to be alive and feel safer in the US - there is a great article by John Hinderacker that details terror attacks against official US targets - and basically - 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 - zip, nada, zilch.

"W" vs. Terror: Something's Working

And Obama wants to bring us back to the bad old days.
Or at least that will be the result.

702 realwest  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:55:11am

re: #674 Occasional Reader Good morning O.R. - don't you understand? He was the "religious" Billy Ayers - he is a street preacher (yeah, I know he actually has a brick and mortar parish somewhere in the ghetto) who is an "activist" when it comes to social issues.
He lacks faith himself and has apparently come to believe that it is HIS job to bring justice for the poor and discriminated masses.
In other words he's just a White Boy who has always wished he was Black, cause he identifies with the "poor" (as in no money) Black Americans. I think the Church ought to send him to Appalachia and let him help folks there.
Wonder who is parents are, if they have money and how old is this guy? Ya think he knows Billy Ayers?!

703 Karridine  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:55:15am

re: #689 Occasional Reader

Ahem.

Harvey played COMIC parts, NOT CLOWNS.

/he had more class than THAT, OR...

704 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:55:22am

re: #697 Honorary Yooper

No. Cardinal George is not a supporter of liberation theology as far as I know. Cardinal George did try to remove Pfleger from St. Sabina's a couple of years ago, but was too busy dealing with the fallout from the sex scandal. Apparently there is a great attachment by the people of St. Sabina's to Pfleger, hence why he was allowed 6 more years.

A pastor is granted a 6 year term at a parish, and cen be granted a second one. After that, he is supposed to be transferred to another parish. Pfleger has been at St. Sabina's as pastor for about 20 years now.

The last bishop (I can't remember his name now) was a liberal. Cardinal George inherited this mess.

705 WriterMom  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:55:28am

re: #689 Occasional Reader

Totally.

Onomatopoeia rocks!

706 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:55:48am

re: #696 MandyManners

No easy answer, indeed.

I wonder what languge they speak.

If Hollywood has taught us anything, it's that "primitive" people speak even their own language ungrammatically.

707 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:55:52am

re: #674 Occasional Reader

Pic of "Father" Michael Pfleger with a co-religionist.

Why hasn't he been defrocked? Paging Pope Kickass I.

And good morning.

I am ver certain Pope Benedict XVI knows about this already. The question is, how is it going to come about. Benedict works behind the scenes a lot, so you see the results, but not the process.

708 WriterMom  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:57:04am

re: #687 Nevergiveup

OY. Not too hard to imagine. I bet they are all taking chemical or nuclear engineering. They seem to have enough creepy doctors in Shitistan.

709 Macker  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:57:25am

re: #630 realwest

Then you damn well better keep the Muslims away from them!

710 MandyManners  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:57:34am

re: #697 Honorary Yooper

No. Cardinal George is not a supporter of liberation theology as far as I know. Cardinal George did try to remove Pfleger from St. Sabina's a couple of years ago, but was too busy dealing with the fallout from the sex scandal. Apparently there is a great attachment by the people of St. Sabina's to Pfleger, hence why he was allowed 6 more years.

A pastor is granted a 6 year term at a parish, and cen be granted a second one. After that, he is supposed to be transferred to another parish. Pfleger has been at St. Sabina's as pastor for about 20 years now.

Is this yet another piece of fall-out from the pedophillia (I can't call it sex) scandal?

711 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:58:01am

re: #704 Ward Cleaver

The last bishop (I can't remember his name now) was a liberal. Cardinal George inherited this mess.

Oh yeah, Cardinal Bernardin:

Less than a year later, on April 8, 1997, Pope John Paul II named him the eighth Archbishop of Chicago, to the See left vacant by the death of Joseph Cardinal Bernardin on November 14, 1996. His installation by the Most Rev. Agostino Cacciavillan, Apostolic Pro-Nuncio, took place at Holy Name Cathedral on May 7, 1997.

712 MandyManners  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:58:02am

re: #698 Ward Cleaver

I'll bet tons of MSMers have hit that site looking for news bytes, and have brought it down.

I hope someone has taken a screen-shot.

713 tfc3rid  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:58:11am

re: #695 WriterMom

Yes... Sick of it... The gf WANTS SO BAD to go see the movie... She loved the show... I keep telling her that the characters are written as women but actually represent gay males...

Sadly, she bases her New York reality on that show and has found it to be very, very different...

714 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:58:16am

re: #702 realwest

Ya think he knows Billy Ayers?!

These are all just extraordinary coinidences, having no bearing whatsover on the Obamessiah. He wasn't at church on ANY of those days, okay?

715 Karridine  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:58:18am

re: #699 Occasional Reader

Sidney: "Are you Father Pfelcher?"

Korman: "No, the father felcher is over there, with Michelle..."

716 lawhawk  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:58:22am

Count the money... count the money.
Count de Monet. Count de Monet. de Monet.

Don't get saucy with me Bernaise.

717 MandyManners  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:58:35am

re: #699 Occasional Reader

Harvey Korman: Hello, I'm Father Pfelger.

Slim Pickens [wiping eye]: Well, golldarnit, say it, don't spray it, Padre!

LOL!

718 akak  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:58:39am
#662 vagabond trader 5/30/08 6:44:10 am reply quote 0

ACORN has also been deeply involved with the sub prime mortgage scam by demanding banks loan to high risk minority clients.I do believe that Sharpton is also involved with all this. Have to do some snooping.

How exactly did they DEMAND these loans, and exactly how successful was their DEMAND cause that would be interesting?

719 Widow'smight  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:58:40am

re: #640 Beach Lover

It's been very pleasant up here, 70's with lots of blue skies. Daughter #2 is home from College after doing a fantastic job in her 1st year. She works at Dorney Park in Allentown.
My bride wants to drive from the Beach to TN to visit Dollyworld in Pidgeon Forge. I'll have to hope her and Mini-mom can stay in a equitable mood on that drive. It takes 9 hours of driving to get to the beach in NC from our house, then ? to TN.

720 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:58:45am

re: #703 Karridine

Ahem.

Harvey played COMIC parts, NOT CLOWNS.

/he had more class than THAT, OR...

I'm referring just to the name, not the persona.

721 Ojoe  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:59:32am

All these sons-a-bitches should spend 6 months in the attic, Obama included.

These soldiers died so we could have freedom for all in this country, and these clowns abuse it.

Last Full Measure

722 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:59:44am

re: #710 MandyManners

Is this yet another piece of fall-out from the pedophillia (I can't call it sex) scandal?

In a way, yes. If not for the scandal, Cardinal George would've been freer to deal with removing Pfleger from St. Sabina's.

723 MandyManners  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:59:45am

re: #705 WriterMom

Totally.

Onomatopoeia rocks!

My favorite word.

724 WriterMom  Fri, May 30, 2008 6:59:49am

I definitely don't want the thread to head in the church-pedophilia direction, but I will say-priest or no priest, in my world-if you mess with kids-you get it cut off and get capital punishment.

725 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:00:41am

re: #713 tfc3rid

Yes...
Sick of it... The gf WANTS SO BAD to go see the movie... She loved the
show... I keep telling her that the characters are written as women but
actually represent gay males...

Sadly, she bases her New York reality on that show and has found it to be very, very different...

DING! DING! DING! Give that man a cigar!

726 MandyManners  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:00:57am

re: #706 Occasional Reader

If Hollywood has taught us anything, it's that "primitive" people speak even their own language ungrammatically.

I wouldn't be surprised if some of the first people to contact them is some star/producer/director/screenwriter.

727 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:01:24am

re: #711 Ward Cleaver

I always like to read about an archbishop being "installed". You kind of imagine some guys in coveralls messing around with cables. "Can you hear me now?"

728 WriterMom  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:01:25am

re: #716 lawhawk

hahahah

729 WriterMom  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:01:48am

re: #723 MandyManners

Groovy, girl!

730 WriterMom  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:02:15am

re: #713 tfc3rid

They are totally drag queens. It's pathetic.

731 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:02:29am

re: #707 Honorary Yooper

I am ver certain Pope Benedict XVI knows about this already. The question is, how is it going to come about. Benedict works behind the scenes a lot, so you see the results, but not the process.

Pfleger's just one priest out of thousands throughout the world. Somehow I doubt that he's the Holy Father's top priority. That being said, he's probably heard about Pfleger. Any discipline would come from Bp. George, although I have know people who have written to the Apostolic Nuncio in D.C. (the pope's representative here in the U.S.) and offices in the Vatican, about priests being treated unfairly by their bishops.

732 bitsy  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:02:35am

My favorite quote is the bit about the 401k:

...you have enjoyed the benefits of what your ancestors did and unless you are ready to give up the benefits (voice rising), throw away your 401 fund...

So I guess, among numerous other things, saving for retirement makes me a racist?

733 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:02:41am

re: #683 Ward Cleaver

I was going to go to Pfleger's parish Web site (St. Sabina) to look at his bulletin (to see the attendence numbers and collection $), but their site is getting hammered (bandwidth limit exceeded). Maybe later.

Heh. I think I need to go to confession now. I linked St. Sabina's webpage to the spinoff links. Think it may have caused a mini-lizardlanche.

734 realwest  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:02:51am

re: #714 Occasional Reader But, but, but - I could SWEAR I saw him (the only white face) on some of the Racist Rev's DVD's from that "Church"?!?!

735 MandyManners  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:03:28am

re: #722 Honorary Yooper

In a way, yes. If not for the scandal, Cardinal George would've been freer to deal with removing Pfleger from St. Sabina's.

People--not just Catholics--will be feeling the effects of those perverts for a long, long time.

736 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:03:37am

re: #713 tfc3rid

Yes... Sick of it... The gf WANTS SO BAD to go see the movie... She loved the show... I keep telling her that the characters are written as women but actually represent gay males...

Sadly, she bases her New York reality on that show and has found it to be very, very different...

You are not alone. My wife likes the show. I absolutely, positively refuse to accompany her to the movie (which she will doubtless want to see).

737 WriterMom  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:03:39am

re: #727 Occasional Reader

I think university presidents are also 'installed'. It is pretty funny.

738 tfc3rid  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:04:04am

re: #734 realwest

But, but, but - I could SWEAR I saw him (the only white face) on some of the Racist Rev's DVD's from that "Church"?!?!

I would not be shocked if you did...

739 tfc3rid  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:04:45am

re: #736 Occasional Reader

You are not alone. My wife likes the show. I absolutely, positively refuse to accompany her to the movie (which she will doubtless want to see).

Oh I completely refuse to see it as well... It's over 2 freaking hours long... No thank you...

740 Widow'smight  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:05:05am

re: #641 formercorpsman

Did his Mazaratti do 185?

Hey, when are you and crew coming over? My Grilling skills have been rehoned for the year.

742 WriterMom  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:05:11am

re: #736 Occasional Reader

I think it's sick. The characters are actual pitiful trainwrecks. Glech. And for super glech-have you seen Cynthia Nixon's 'partner' in real life?

(hint: "That's a man, baby...")

743 MandyManners  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:05:22am

re: #729 WriterMom

Another is defenestration. And, pusillanimous.

744 WriterMom  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:05:45am

re: #739 tfc3rid

Two and a half hours of mind-numbing gestalt for whiners.

745 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:06:19am

re: #713 tfc3rid

I keep telling her that the characters are written as women but actually represent gay males...

I disagree. I mean, they COULD be gay men, but they could (more plausibly, given the circumstances) also be shallow, spoiled Manhattan aging-yuppie women.

746 MandyManners  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:06:23am

re: #732 bitsy

My favorite quote is the bit about the 401k:


So I guess, among numerous other things, saving for retirement makes me a racist?

It's that hatred of the middle-class thingy.

747 WriterMom  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:06:25am

re: #743 MandyManners

How about puerile...you gotta love it.

748 tfc3rid  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:06:26am

re: #742 WriterMom

I think it's sick. The characters are actual pitiful trainwrecks. Glech. And for super glech-have you seen Cynthia Nixon's 'partner' in real life?

(hint: "That's a man, baby...")

Sad enough I had to tell my gf that isn't what living in NYC is all about...

You'd go broke in 24 hours if you swilled as much alcohol as they did and bought those damn shoes...

749 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:06:36am

re: #727 Occasional Reader

I always like to read about an archbishop being "installed". You kind of imagine some guys in coveralls messing around with cables. "Can you hear me now?"

I attended Bishop Farrell's installation here in Dallas last year. Quite a Mass. We just lost our rector at Holy Trinity seminary here (Msgr. Michael Duca, a local guy who grew up in East Dallas), as he became the second Bishop for the diocese of Shreveport, La..

750 alegrias  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:06:42am

Speaking of questionable judgment, hanging with radicals & twisted folks, TWENTY YEARS hanging with jerks or TWENTY YEARS MILITARY SERVICE?

"....Senator Obama speaks openly about his willingness to sit down with our enemies and engage in open talks, but he hasn't gone to Iraq in over two years to meet with our leaders and see that progress is being made on the ground. Something is wrong with your judgment when you want to sit down unconditionally with Raul Castro and Iran's President, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, but you don't take the opportunity to sit down with General Petraeus and learn about the situation in Iraq firsthand. My friends, this is not the "change" we need in our next president.

Our next president cannot just talk about leadership; they must demonstrate it. Senator Obama is the chairman of an important subcommittee that has oversight of our efforts in Afghanistan. Yet he has not held one hearing on Afghanistan, a place where young Americans are in harm's way every day. When a chairman of a subcommittee can't lead, it's bad; when a president doesn't lead, it's unacceptable. ...

...I am convinced that my experience, knowledge and every challenge I have confronted during my years of service to our country and its ideals make me better able to lead and ready to serve as our Commander in Chief on day one...

751 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:06:48am

re: #739 tfc3rid

I attempted to watch the show once on HBO. I wound up changing the channel within 5 minutes. Absolutely silly, IMHO.

752 realwest  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:07:06am

re: #725 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

DING! DING! DING! Give that man a cigar!

Ya know, in all seriousness, my most recent former wife LOVED watching that TV show with two of our gay friends ( a couple that has been together for about 25 years now) and they all laughed at the parts that were clearly designed to show heterosexual men as either slobs, afraid of committment, unwashed and "incompetent" in bed.
They all laughed like crazy. I took a nap.

753 WriterMom  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:07:15am

re: #745 Occasional Reader

Or they could be the aging drag queens that aging Manhattan, bored, botoxed socialites want to hang out with-or have their hair done by.

754 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:07:41am

re: #742 WriterMom

I think it's sick. The characters are actual pitiful trainwrecks. Glech. And for super glech-have you seen Cynthia Nixon's 'partner' in real life?

(hint: "That's a man, baby...")

Having watched the show with my wife out of spousal solidarity, I can say I found ALL of the characters somewhere between pathetic and repulsive.

I don't know which one is Cynthia Nixon, nor who her partner is.

755 WriterMom  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:08:24am

re: #754 Occasional Reader

Have I got a link for you..lol...BRB...

756 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:08:41am

re: #750 alegrias

Speaking of questionable judgment, hanging with radicals & twisted folks, TWENTY YEARS hanging with jerks or TWENTY YEARS MILITARY SERVICE?

I am far from being a McCain fanboy... but that's an easy call to make.

757 Ojoe  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:09:04am

re: #740 Widow'smight

That's Maserati
Maserati

758 tfc3rid  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:09:33am

re: #756 Occasional Reader

I am far from being a McCain fanboy... but that's an easy call to make.

Same here... It's kind of a no-brainer...

759 WriterMom  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:09:45am

OK, scroll down to Debbie Schlussel's review.

760 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:09:58am

re: #736 Occasional Reader

You are not alone. My wife likes the show. I absolutely, positively refuse to accompany her to the movie (which she will doubtless want to see).

I just wanna puke, seeing all the media attention that movie is getting (especially from all the groveling Hollywood gossip shows). Who cares!

761 realwest  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:10:00am

re: #732 bitsy OF COURSE IT DOES! You only had the money and job to put into a 401-K because you worked hard at a job that a semi-competent minority should have had, but for the rampant - rampant I tells ya - discrimination in this country!

762 MandyManners  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:10:01am

re: #747 WriterMom

How about puerile...you gotta love it.

Sure do. And, quisling.

763 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:10:02am

re: #749 Ward Cleaver

as he became the second Bishop

Bad for you guys, in a way, but good for him.

764 lawhawk  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:10:11am

re: #748 tfc3rid

I think you could go broke just watching them quaff that much alcohol and buy that many shoes.

765 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:10:34am

re: #757 Ojoe

That's Maserati
Maserati

Oh, but those Italians do make some damn fine-lookin' machines, don't they?

766 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:10:49am

re: #763 Occasional Reader

Bad for you guys, in a way, but good for him.

Yeah, he's a good guy.

767 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:11:21am

re: #748 tfc3rid
You guys need to go with your women to see SATC movie. You will undoubtedly be rewarded for your selfless act.

PS. I liked the show and am going to see the movie. But realize it is written by gay men.

768 yochanan  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:11:37am

re: #750 alegrias

Speaking of questionable judgment, hanging with radicals & twisted folks, TWENTY YEARS hanging with jerks or TWENTY YEARS MILITARY SERVICE?

"....Senator Obama speaks openly about his willingness to sit down with our enemies and engage in open talks, but he hasn't gone to Iraq in over two years to meet with our leaders and see that progress is being made on the ground. Something is wrong with your judgment when you want to sit down unconditionally with Raul Castro and Iran's President, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, but you don't take the opportunity to sit down with General Petraeus and learn about the situation in Iraq firsthand. My friends, this is not the "change" we need in our next president.

Our next president cannot just talk about leadership; they must demonstrate it. Senator Obama is the chairman of an important subcommittee that has oversight of our efforts in Afghanistan. Yet he has not held one hearing on Afghanistan, a place where young Americans are in harm's way every day. When a chairman of a subcommittee can't lead, it's bad; when a president doesn't lead, it's unacceptable. ...

...I am convinced that my experience, knowledge and every challenge I have confronted during my years of service to our country and its ideals make me better able to lead and ready to serve as our Commander in Chief on day one...

DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER.

769 realwest  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:11:38am

re: #741 Ojoe Thanks again for that Wilson Tower Cam photo - really beautiful!

770 loppyd  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:11:44am

re: #754 Occasional Reader

Having watched the show with my wife out of spousal solidarity, I can say I found ALL of the characters somewhere between pathetic and repulsive.

I don't know which one is Cynthia Nixon, nor who her partner is.

Now you do.

771 Ojoe  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:11:49am

re: #765 Occasional Reader

The true art of our time

772 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:11:52am

re: #762 MandyManners

Sure do. And, quisling.

A great word that needs to be used more often: Ignoble.

Use in a sentence: "Obama's throwing his own grandma under the bus in order to deflect attention from his own sordid acquaintances was an extraordinarily ignoble act."

773 krypto  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:12:15am

So now Pfleger "apologized" - on Thursday evening for his comments almost five days before, obviously only because of the reaction. The video was up to 76,000 viewings and growing rapidly when I looked.

Specifically, he said "I regret the words I chose" (obviously not what he meant by them), and said he was apologizing to Clinton and "anyone who MIGHT have been offended" - as if the offense had merely been in the mind of the beholder.

I don't see any suggestion that he retracted any of his message for those who weren't offended, such as the congregation of that church who just loved hearing him feed their claims of a monopoly on victimhood and hearing that all white people owe them special perks and are obligated to feel guilty toward them.

The news report did not suggest he was apologizing for his really outrageous racist claims of hereditary guilt and hereditary victimhood based on skin color.

Most of all, it was obviously a phony tactic for the purpose of trying to defuse the public reaction. Mere words. He will be back at it again, as soon as he thinks he can get away with it again.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

774 WriterMom  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:12:16am

re: #767 newsjunkie_ky

LOL. That's probably the only incentive to get men into the theatre: "I'll make it worth your while...".

Hahahaha.

775 Widow'smight  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:12:17am

re: #739 tfc3rid


I will only watch Chick flicks when my daughters ask, then I make comments on what wimps the men are in them. Maybe they'll be attracted to skinny little dweebs like in those movies and make my job of scaring the piss out of them much easier.

Course, the girls don't like my movies either, no kissing in them.

776 sattv4u2  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:12:38am

re: #757 Ojoe

re: #765 Occasional Reader

Not to mention some damn fine lookin' wimmen !

777 WriterMom  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:12:50am

re: #770 loppyd

LOPPY lololol...I posted an even better one ^ ^ ^ check it out.

778 Beach Lover  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:13:34am

re: #719 Widow'smight
then you know you are goin' to Dollywood, right? ;-) You, of all people, know how to play this game! LOL

never been there, myself, but have been to and thru Pidgeon Forge many times on my way to my friend's mountain house. What a tourist nightmare!

But, I hear Dollywood is nice
(some consolation inserted)
let me know how it goes, OK?

Glad to hear your daughter did well her first year...that one is the hardest.

779 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:13:39am

re: #722 Honorary Yooper

In a way, yes. If not for the scandal, Cardinal George would've been freer to deal with removing Pfleger from St. Sabina's.

All Cardinal George would have to do is ship Pfleger out to some little parish in the boondocks. Pfleger wouldn't have a choice except to go. The last bishop here in Dallas, Bp. Grahmann, used to do that with the good, faithful priests here (he preferred the wishy-washy kind).

780 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:13:41am

re: #752 realwest

Oh, I definitely can see how gay men would LIKE the show... I just don't agree that this means the characters are "supposed to be" gay men. Manhattan is filled with women who act more or less the same way those characters do.

781 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:14:21am

re: #770 loppyd

Now you do.

Who is that guy? He looks like a plumber.

782 Ojoe  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:14:26am

re: #776 sattv4u2

"Everything you see I owe to pasta" — GLB

783 loppyd  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:14:27am

re: #767 newsjunkie_ky

You guys need to go with your women to see SATC movie. You will undoubtedly be rewarded for your selfless act.

PS. I liked the show and am going to see the movie. But realize it is written by gay men.

Me too. It's always been a guilty pleasure....

I like a good love story and I was rooting for the Carrie Big romance all the while....

My favorite character? Anthony. Hands down.

784 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:14:32am

re: #756 Occasional Reader

I am far from being a McCain fanboy... but that's an easy call to make.

Someone else made this observation about the choices for the election this year:
1 - a lawyer who is married to another lawyer who's a total 'yeotch.
2 - a lawyer who is a total 'yeotch who's married to another lawyer.
3 - a war hero fighter pilot who's married to a hot blonde who owns a beer distributor.

Should be an easy call.

/no offense to law-talking guys, OR.

785 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:14:34am

re: #770 loppyd

Now you do.

That's... a woman? Supposedly? I'm asking...

786 sattv4u2  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:14:48am

re: #781 Ward Cleaver

Who is that guy? He looks like a plumbers crack !
.

fixed

787 MandyManners  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:14:53am

re: #772 Occasional Reader

A great word that needs to be used more often: Ignoble.

Use in a sentence: "Obama's throwing his own grandma under the bus in order to deflect attention from his own sordid acquaintances was an extraordinarily ignoble act."

788 lawhawk  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:15:02am

Via instapundit:

Time has a profile on the long shadow of Carter on the 2008 election and the chains that bind to Obama. Let's just say that it's more than just chains that bind (and wouldn't that be racist to note a black dude in chains?)

The fact is that Obama's gotten a whole bunch of his advisers from Carter folks. Carter also keeps helpfully pointing out that Hamas and other terrorists want to see Obama elected. /then again, Carter's a Rove plant!

789 realwest  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:15:04am

re: #764 lawhawk Whoa now hold on there lawhawk! I don't think they EVER paid for their own drinks!
And as for the shoes, well heck, a woman can't talk about or have sex alone as a hobby, can she?!?!

790 alegrias  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:15:43am

Ironically, the name of the clown playing the fool and playing with peoples' minds comes from the German verb PFLEGEN, to care for, nurse.

Verb
pflegen (auxiliary verb haben, past participle gepflegt)

(transitive) to look after; to care for
(medicine, transitive) to nurse
(intransitive, with “zu” followed by an infinitive verb) to perform habitually; to be accustomed [to doing something]; to be in the habit [of doing something]
Ich pflege zu laufen. — “I usually walk.”
Er pflegte zu reisen. — “He used to travel.”

791 MandyManners  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:15:44am

re: #773 krypto

So now Pfleger "apologized" - on Thursday evening for his comments almost five days before, obviously only because of the reaction. The video was up to 76,000 viewings and growing rapidly when I looked.

Specifically, he said "I regret the words I chose" (obviously not what he meant by them), and said he was apologizing to Clinton and "anyone who MIGHT have been offended" - as if the offense had merely been in the mind of the beholder.

I don't see any suggestion that he retracted any of his message for those who weren't offended, such as the congregation of that church who just loved hearing him feed their claims of a monopoly on victimhood and hearing that all white people owe them special perks and are obligated to feel guilty toward them.

The news report did not suggest he was apologizing for his really outrageous racist claims of hereditary guilt and hereditary victimhood based on skin color.

Most of all, it was obviously a phony tactic for the purpose of trying to defuse the public reaction. Mere words. He will be back at it again, as soon as he thinks he can get away with it again.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Did you send this to Charles?

792 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:15:44am

re: #767 newsjunkie_ky

You guys need to go with your women to see SATC movie. You will undoubtedly be rewarded for your selfless act.

PS. I liked the show and am going to see the movie. But realize it is written by gay men.

Or, you could get a girl who would rather see Ironman with you. Then the rewards are yours all the time.

793 Widow'smight  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:15:54am

re: #757 Ojoe


They must have built that one for me, I was born on Halloween!

Maybe I was thinking of Bill Mazeroski or sumpin?

794 lawhawk  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:16:24am

re: #773 krypto

Apologizes over the word choice eh? Guess he should have taken wordsmithing 101 so that he could say racist and hateful stuff without directly coming out and saying exactly what he thought.

Gotcha!

795 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:16:42am

re: #775 Widow'smight

Course, the girls don't like my movies either, no kissing in them.

The closest they get: "Kiss THIS, terrorists!" [firing rocket launcher]

796 ethanxxx  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:17:11am

I've been watching some of the other videos of Michael "Vanilla Ice" Phleger that are posted on other sites. Does anybody know where this wannabe is from? His accent seems to change constantly as if he has no control over it.

797 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:17:18am

re: #774 WriterMom
It's kinda like the 'chippendale's effect'. The guys didn't mind their women attending because of the reward.

798 MandyManners  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:17:20am

re: #781 Ward Cleaver

Who is that guy? He looks like a plumber.

It's a woman.

799 realwest  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:17:28am

re: #770 {loppyd} Hey goodlooking! DIDJA HAVE to show that photo, didja?! Huh?
Fumbles around, looking for brain bleach......

BTW, how is your FIL doing - docs have any clue as to why he has no appetite?

800 Macker  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:17:45am

re: #775 Widow'smight

I went to a Chick Flick™ last Sunday night with my gf in WI. Sure enough, the men were portrayed as bumbling idiots...except for Dennis Miller!

801 lawhawk  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:17:54am

re: #784 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Someone else made this observation about the choices for the election this year:
1 - a lawyer who is married to another lawyer who's a total 'yeotch.
2 - a lawyer who is a total 'yeotch who's married to another lawyer.
3 - a war hero fighter pilot who's married to a hot blonde who owns a beer distributor.

Should be an easy call.

/no offense to law-talking guys, OR.

None taken. In fact, you'd be well advised to note that many lawyers enjoy drinking a beer or 10 to get through law school.

802 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:18:00am

re: #759 WriterMom

OK, scroll down to Debbie Schlussel's review.

Damn. She rips it a new one and then some. LOL!

803 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:18:20am

re: #783 loppyd

and I was rooting for the Carrie Big romance

Big seemed like a creep. Then again, Carrie seemed like a narcissistic piece of fluff, so I guess they deserve each other.

/my .02

804 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:18:37am

re: #770 loppyd

Now you do.

She's dating the fat kid from Superbad?

805 DistantThunder  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:20:09am

Not only is Barak hanging with these racist preachers and priests - he's hanging with the people cheering them on - these ARE his people. These ARE his voters - his CONSTITUENTS.

The words and behaviors coming out of this church are repulsive, undignified, rude, disrespectful, and uncivilized.

What does that make these people?

806 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:20:12am

re: #759 WriterMom

OK, scroll down to Debbie Schlussel's review.

"Hags and the City"? Wow, that's gonna leave a mark. She ripped Adam Sandler a new one, too.

807 godfrey  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:20:20am

Do the writers of Sex and the City also write Desperate Housewives? Surely there's a feature-length in the works for the latter.

808 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:20:24am

re: #796 ethanxxx

I've been watching some of the other videos of Michael "Vanilla Ice"
Phleger that are posted on other sites. Does anybody know where this
wannabe is from? His accent seems to change constantly as if he has no
control over it.

That's an insult to Vanilla Ice! He's still rockin' the mike like a vandal!

809 Widow'smight  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:20:29am

re: #767 newsjunkie_ky


It's my wife's birthday today, and she hasn't asked to see that movie. I am taking her and the girls and her mom to her favorite Restaraunt tonight, and will probably be hit with a 150-200 tab. Maybe the movie would be a better gig for me.
She already got part of her birthday present this morning. OOO-Yeah!

810 loppyd  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:20:29am

re: #785 Occasional Reader

That's... a woman? Supposedly? I'm asking...

Apparently so....

I should stop.

I can feel the flames of hell nipping at my feet right now.

811 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:20:51am

re: #796 ethanxxx

I've been watching some of the other videos of Michael "Vanilla Ice" Phleger that are posted on other sites. Does anybody know where this wannabe is from? His accent seems to change constantly as if he has no control over it.

The guy is a giant PHONY.

812 WriterMom  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:20:52am

Carrie is the narcisist, chasing after a guy who she has chemistry with, but won't commit-EVAH. Another one ends up with an emasculated guy, has a baby and is the working partner and also has to take care of his mother and work full-time. Another wants a baby desperately and is infertile. Another obsesses about her looks and ends up with a boy toy.

813 alegrias  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:21:27am

McCain has said it was his privilege to serve in the company of heroes.

The Illinois senator should have only SHAME to have served with skunks.

CHUTZPAH is going to "church" in Chicago.

Defrock all these phakes, remove all tax breaks.
These people work for and welcome the caliphate only.

814 loppyd  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:21:29am

re: #809 Widow'smight

Widow's:

You stud, you.

Your wife shares her birthday with my darling niece who is 7 today.

815 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:21:41am

re: #783 loppyd
Anthony? Was he Charlotte's wedding planner? If so, I loved that character. The wedding dress search, (HATE IT) was hysterical.
I love Mr. Big (Chris Noth is hot, but a total moonbat). I will probably go with my older daughter (she's coming for a visit before moving to NYC in late June).

816 MijaCat  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:21:54am

this is great news for those of us who want to see Chicago cleaned up.

hate preachers like Wright and Pfleger get a following, and that following becomes very hard to slip back into the mainstream when the economy turns around. Farrakhans' goons have the same problem. Once both groups internalize the big lie, they *can't* trust their fellow Americans enough to work within the system anymore.

Sad, really.

Pfleger should have been sacked or transferred to another parish years if not decades ago.

Mew

817 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:21:55am

re: #779 Ward Cleaver

All Cardinal George would have to do is ship Pfleger out to some little parish in the boondocks. Pfleger wouldn't have a choice except to go. The last bishop here in Dallas, Bp. Grahmann, used to do that with the good, faithful priests here (he preferred the wishy-washy kind).

Problem is, there's nowhere in the Archdiocese that's really in the boondocks. It consists solely of Cook and Lake Counties, neither of which has any real boondocky areas - it's all urban. The other counties around here are split between the Diocese of Rockford (McHenry and Kane Counties) and the Diocese of Joliet (Will, DuPage, Kendall, Grundy, and Kankakee Counties), and neither want anything to do with Pfleger.

818 WriterMom  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:21:56am

re: #806 Ward Cleaver

Ya, I saw that too. Too bad 'Zohan' appears to suck royally. The trailer was wickedly funny.

819 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:22:05am

re: #807 godfrey

Do the writers of Sex and the City also write Desperate Housewives? Surely there's a feature-length in the works for the latter.

I wouldn't mind looking at Eva Longoria & Teri Hatcher for two hours. None of the gals on Sex do anything for me.

820 realwest  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:22:52am

re: #779 Ward Cleaver
As I suggested somewhere upthread, they ought to ship his butt to a church in the Appalchia region.
But you and I both know what would happen: he'd refuse to go, saying "his" people needed him more in Chicago and even if he was de-frocked he'd stay in Chicago - he want's his payback baby.

821 WriterMom  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:23:07am

re: #819 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I think Eva Longoria is totally over-rated. Teri Hatcher? Really? Nah.

822 loppyd  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:23:31am

re: #812 WriterMom

Carrie is the narcisist, chasing after a guy who she has chemistry with, but won't commit-EVAH. Another one ends up with an emasculated guy, has a baby and is the working partner and also has to take care of his mother and work full-time. Another wants a baby desperately and is infertile. Another obsesses about her looks and ends up with a boy toy.

Mr. Big committed in the end.....getting the hopes of women in a similar situations a lot of false hope. LOL

But I was cheering right along.

WTF is wrong with me? LOL

823 DistantThunder  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:23:42am

re: #770 loppyd

Now you do.

Sex in the City is tragedy about women who defied 5000 years of civilized behaviors to smoke, drink, drug and whore their way to fame and fortune. Except when Lindsay Lohan and Brittany Spears follow the pattern - reality intrudes - and the real life disasters are revealed.

824 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:23:56am

re: #817 Honorary Yooper

Problem is, there's nowhere in the Archdiocese that's really in the boondocks. It consists solely of Cook and Lake Counties, neither of which has any real boondocky areas - it's all urban. The other counties around here are split between the Diocese of Rockford (McHenry and Kane Counties) and the Diocese of Joliet (Will, DuPage, Kendall, Grundy, and Kankakee Counties), and neither want anything to do with Pfleger.

Bummer. I doubt any of the other parishes in the dioces would take him, them. Maybe he could get some kind of "special assignment" outside the diocese, like in Papua New Guinea.

825 SpartanWoman  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:24:03am

Michelle Malkin has some excellent coverage of illegals and Japanese criminals getting organ transplants at taxpayer expense...while citizens wait, and die

826 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:24:03am

re: #808 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

That's an insult to Vanilla Ice! He's still rockin' the mike like a vandal!

And let's not forget his sterling contributions to the cinematic arts.

827 tfc3rid  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:24:06am

re: #803 Occasional Reader

Big seemed like a creep. Then again, Carrie seemed like a narcissistic piece of fluff, so I guess they deserve each other.

/my .02

I did notice that USA network is shrewdly pushing Chris Noth's character on Law and Order:CI while he is getting the SATC publicity... Smart...

828 Roger  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:24:39am

re: #539 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

SAVAGE!

re: #526 Roger

I really don't think so. Guess we'll see soon enough.

There is nothing changing the direction from 2006 and McCain is driving and [when he gets really rolling] will drive the 2006 phenomenon faster as he tries for Obama's voters and the MSM.

829 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:24:42am

re: #792 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Can't you all see both?

I love the 'Die Hards, Lethal Weapon, Awnold Action Flicks', but also like a few 'chick flicks'. (My favorite is still 'When Harry met Sally').

830 loppyd  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:24:46am

re: #821 WriterMom

I think Eva Longoria is totally over-rated. Teri Hatcher? Really? Nah.

That show, IMHO is unwatchable.

Little surgery there, Terri?

831 realwest  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:24:56am

re: #780 Occasional Reader Well I lived and worked in Manhattan as a single -not unattractive lawyer for something like 17 years (including the time between wives) and I gotta say I disagree with you on that - most of the single women I met didn't drink anywhere near that much!

832 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:25:04am

re: #826 Occasional Reader

And let's not forget his sterling contributions to the cinematic arts.

Which is still not on Netflix!

833 jamgarr  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:25:10am

re: #732 bitsy

My favorite quote is the bit about the 401k:


So I guess, among numerous other things, saving for retirement makes me a racist?

Don't you know - the only reason you have that 401(k) is because six generations ago some people on this continent engaged in the terrible practice of slavery.

834 Ward Cleaver  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:25:19am

re: #819 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I wouldn't mind looking at Eva Longoria & Teri Hatcher for two hours. None of the gals on Sex do anything for me.

I agree. And Eva is a Texas girl. I like Teri when she played in Lois & Clark.

835 loppyd  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:25:27am

re: #826 Occasional Reader

And let's not forget his sterling contributions to the cinematic arts.

Word to your mothah.

836 WriterMom  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:25:47am

re: #830 loppyd

UGH. She looks like a boozy floozy. She should not be doing close ups.

837 godfrey  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:26:00am

re: #819 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Well, yeah. lol

Plus, it's actually entertaining.

838 David Simon  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:26:29am

re: #767 newsjunkie_ky

You guys need to go with your women to see SATC movie. You will undoubtedly be rewarded for your selfless act.

PS. I liked the show and am going to see the movie. But realize it is written by gay men.

Huh, that explains it. The promiscuity, the emphasis on the clothes and "clubbing", the bitchy one-liners.

839 DistantThunder  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:26:52am

re: #817 Honorary Yooper

Problem is, there's nowhere in the Archdiocese that's really in the boondocks. It consists solely of Cook and Lake Counties, neither of which has any real boondocky areas - it's all urban. The other counties around here are split between the Diocese of Rockford (McHenry and Kane Counties) and the Diocese of Joliet (Will, DuPage, Kendall, Grundy, and Kankakee Counties), and neither want anything to do with Pfleger.

I attended St. Priscilla's church on Addisonn - or was it Belmont - made my first communion there.

840 godfrey  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:27:22am

re: #830 loppyd

I've seen two or three episodes. They were pretty good.

I like Teri Hatcher a lot.

841 rightside  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:28:07am

Morning Lizards!

Can anyone in the NYC area give me an accurate weather forecast for tomorrow? Daughter is going on a field trip to Manhattan.

842 EC Marm  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:28:16am

Philadelphia Job Interview:
HR Person: "So, this two year gap in employment, were you in jail?"
Applicant: "No, I started my own business, but working 100 hours a week was too tough."
HR Person: "That's a shame, because we don't hire non-cons. Too costly."

Now, the city of Philadelphia is making a concerted effort to encourage the hiring of ex-convicts amid a renewed interest nationwide in dealing with high recidivism, growing crime rates and exploding prison populations.

Philadelphia averaged a murder a day the past two years and has been sued to reduce its overcrowded, record-high jail population.

So on his 100th day in office last month, Mayor Michael Nutter announced a program, being headed by an ex-offender, that gives $10,000 a year in municipal tax credits to companies that hire former prisoners and provide them tuition support or vocational training. [Link: ap.google.com...]

843 Widow'smight  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:28:25am

re: #800 Macker

Can't stand Chick Flicks, Can't stand most TV shows. I usually get 30 minutes on the couch late at night watching what I want on the Military Channel or some Sporting event. 42 inch Plasma mounted above the Fireplace, sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet.

My wife can take one of the girls or her mom.

I'm the Anti Chick-Flick Man

844 jamgarr  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:28:39am

re: #747 WriterMom

How about puerile...you gotta love it.


I like words that can't be rhymed - silver, orange, etc.

/how come colors are hard to rhyme?

845 MandyManners  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:29:36am

re: #830 loppyd

That show, IMHO is unwatchable.

Little surgery there, Terri?

Something looks a bit "off" there.

846 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:29:46am

re: #843 Widow'smight

42 inch Plasma mounted above the Fireplace

Won't that melt the TV? (Or turn it into plasma?)

847 Ellen  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:29:54am

I am a straight woman who loves men. There is no way I will ever go see SATC. I watched the TV show a couple of times, and I have never seen such a bunch of stupid women in my life.

848 realwest  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:30:24am

re: #812 WriterMom
Absolutely NO resemblance to ANY of the women I met as a single man in Manhattan - I mean that, ZERO resemblance.

849 DistantThunder  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:30:42am

re: #842 EC Marm

Philadelphia Job Interview:
HR Person: "So, this two year gap in employment, were you in jail?"
Applicant: "No, I started my own business, but working 100 hours a week was too tough."
HR Person: "That's a shame, because we don't hire non-cons. Too costly."

I would only hire a con who had voluntary been through a religious education program, as some type of assurance that he was different than when he committed his crimes. Maybe they need to teach these cons to become entrepreneurs and hire each other. They already know how to do that from selling drugs - but for real.

850 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:31:02am

re: #809 Widow'smight
You crazy thang!

851 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:31:24am

re: #844 jamgarr

I like words that can't be rhymed - silver, orange, etc.

/how come colors are hard to rhyme?

"Door hinge" rhymes with "orange."

But you're right - purple is another color & another word impossible to rhyme.

852 MandyManners  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:31:28am

re: #844 jamgarr

I like words that can't be rhymed - silver, orange, etc.

/how come colors are hard to rhyme?

Wilbur rhymes with silver.

853 DistantThunder  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:31:43am

re: #847 Ellen

I am a straight woman who loves men. There is no way I will ever go see SATC. I watched the TV show a couple of times, and I have never seen such a bunch of stupid women in my life.

When I happened to catch it - I feel morally superior. Heh.

854 realwest  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:31:56am

HEY ALL Y'ALL - do any of you have any experience/knowledge with Diabetes (adult onset, type II)?
If you do, do you think you could please drop me an e-mail (my nic's in blue)?
Thank you kindly.

855 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:32:23am

Deeply disappointed to be exposed as a marxist race huckster?

856 DistantThunder  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:32:31am

re: #851 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

"Door hinge" rhymes with "orange."

But you're right - purple is another color & another word impossible to rhyme.

The other night for 7 year old's homework we couldn't think of a word that rhymed with children.

857 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:32:34am

re: #848 realwest

Absolutely NO resemblance to ANY of the women I met as a single man in Manhattan - I mean that, ZERO resemblance.

No resemblance to any of the women I *dated* in Manhattan... but far too much to some of the women I *met*.

858 MandyManners  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:32:36am

re: #851 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

"Door hinge" rhymes with "orange."

But you're right - purple is another color & another word impossible to rhyme.

Hurdle rhymes with purple.

859 loppyd  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:33:11am

re: #815 newsjunkie_ky

Anthony? Was he Charlotte's wedding planner? If so, I loved that character. The wedding dress search, (HATE IT) was hysterical.
I love Mr. Big (Chris Noth is hot, but a total moonbat). I will probably go with my older daughter (she's coming for a visit before moving to NYC in late June).

Yes he was. I loved the way he ragged on Stanford...

860 alegrias  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:33:19am

Obama's dereliction of duty to our troops:

The Cook County Senator has not held one meeting on Afghanistan, which is in his current job description.

He's Senator Obama, and he's not reported for duty.

Do you want him saluting our troops and career military serving our country, after he's shaken hands with scheisters for twenty years?

861 Dirk Diggler  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:33:26am

OR,

And let's not forget his sterling contributions to the cinematic arts.

Vanilla Ice's "Drop the zero and hang with hero" line ranks as one of the greatest lines ever uttered on film.

862 Honorary Yooper  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:34:07am

re: #851 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

"Door hinge" rhymes with "orange."

But you're right - purple is another color & another word impossible to rhyme.

I don't see it. Door hinge sounds very different than orange, IMHO.

863 Widow'smight  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:34:54am

re: #814 loppyd

Since nobody's met her, multiply your niece's age by 7 to get my wife's.

As far as the STUD part, I think Toby Keith's song might describe me better. I think I traded my Six shooter in for a Flintlock.

864 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:35:02am

re: #857 Occasional Reader

re: #848 realwest

Absolutely NO resemblance to ANY of the women I met as a single man in Manhattan - I mean that, ZERO resemblance.

No resemblance to any of the women I *dated* in Manhattan... but far too much to some of the women I *met*.

Not to mention some I've met in DC... f'rinstance, the friend of a friend who cheerfully told me at a group dinner (although she barely knew me) that if her boyfriend didn't make partner at his law firm, she'd dump him. Nothing shallow about that, right? Gah.

865 wahabicorridor  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:35:12am

re: #793 Widow'smight

Maybe I was thinking of Bill Mazeroski or sumpin?

Oh, those were the days! I have a baseball he autographed. I hear he's in Florida doing a lot of fishing..............

866 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:35:35am

re: #858 MandyManners

Hurdle rhymes with purple.

What?!

In what language?!

867 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:35:51am

re: #841 rightside
Go to [Link: www.weatherstreet.com...] and type in NYC.

868 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:35:58am

re: #862 Honorary Yooper

I don't see it. Door hinge sounds very different than orange, IMHO.

You probably need to be from New Jersey/Philadelphia - it sounds close with our accent.

869 loppyd  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:36:10am

re: #854 realwest

HEY ALL Y'ALL - do any of you have any experience/knowledge with Diabetes (adult onset, type II)?
If you do, do you think you could please drop me an e-mail (my nic's in blue)?
Thank you kindly.

{real}

Hey handsome...

I only know about Type I, but here is a site I found very informative when my nephew was diagnosed.

American Diabetes Association

870 right wing zephyr  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:37:05am

re: #860 alegrias

Obama's dereliction of duty to our troops:

The Cook County Senator has not held one meeting on Afghanistan, which is in his current job description.

He's Senator Obama, and he's not reported for duty.

Do you want him saluting our troops and career military serving our country, after he's shaken hands with scheisters for twenty years?

No. but we better get used to it.

871 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:37:16am

re: #860 alegrias

Obama's dereliction of duty to our troops

Oh, come now... didn't you hear his incredibly moving Memorial Day speech? (Delivered like he was reading the phone book)

872 krypto  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:37:23am

re: #791 MandyManners

Did you send this to Charles?

I tried that, but his contact form won't work for me without some changes in my browser settings that I have to figure out.

873 jamgarr  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:37:53am

Still catching up on the thread, but FWIW I'd like to throw my .02 in in opposition to making fun of the way people look. I think we owe Charles more than that.

874 MES41067  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:38:21am

Boy for a man of faith doesn't look like he has a lot of faith in any of preachers does it.You are the company you keep and I for one I don't keep that kind of company around me.I've never had to run away from that many men of God in my life.

875 alegrias  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:38:22am

re: #854 realwest

HEY ALL Y'ALL - do any of you have any experience/knowledge with Diabetes (adult onset, type II)?
If you do, do you think you could please drop me an e-mail (my nic's in blue)?
Thank you kindly.

* * *
GET HELP FAST! It's bad. Nearly killed my spouse. Body, mind, romance affected. Bad, bad, bad.

Please google or search on web afterwards; there's lots that can be done to control it, but get help.

876 tfc3rid  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:38:25am

re: #841 rightside

Morning Lizards!

Can anyone in the NYC area give me an accurate weather forecast for tomorrow? Daughter is going on a field trip to Manhattan.

They are calling for some scattered showers... Temps will be near 80...

877 MandyManners  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:38:35am

re: #866 Occasional Reader

What?!

In what language?!

The "ur" and "el" sounds.

878 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:38:59am

re: #861 Dirk Diggler

OR,


Vanilla Ice's "Drop the zero and hang with hero" line ranks as one of the greatest lines ever uttered on film.

You're not being sarcastic, are you? Because I will not tolerate sarcasm about this extraordinary man, who has so enriched Western culture. You have been warned.

879 MandyManners  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:39:38am

re: #872 krypto

I tried that, but his contact form won't work for me without some changes in my browser settings that I have to figure out.

Can you use the REPORT button? (It's the exclamation point at the far right.)

880 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:39:40am

re: #859 loppyd

I also liked the Stanford character (I've seen the actor in some other parts and he is really good).

881 MES41067  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:40:56am

re: #878 Occasional Reader

Sarcasm on top of sarcasm I love it.

882 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:41:04am

newsjunkie and loppyd: You who are SATC followers... I'm morbidly curious; how did the show deal with 9/11, if at all?

883 EC Marm  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:41:12am

re: #849 DistantThunder

I would only hire a con who had voluntary been through a religious education program, as some type of assurance that he was different than when he committed his crimes. Maybe they need to teach these cons to become entrepreneurs and hire each other. They already know how to do that from selling drugs - but for real.


I worked with some cons. They have some alternative version of right and wrong that staying in the Governors accommodation's doesn't get rid of. But incentives to hire them? I mean, if they want to have job training programs in jails, that is one thing. Prisons used to be really good at churning out printing pressmen.
I'm just "not in touch" with the "special needs" of some people, I guess.

884 realwest  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:41:45am

re: #842 EC Marm I know where you're coming from with that, EC, but think about it for a minute. I've read somewhere that the crime rate is "inflated" somewhat because of "repeat offenders" ranks keep swelling. People won't - unless they are a Security Guard Firm - hire ex-cons for the most part. If this program does in fact result in a lot of ex-cons not becoming repeat offenders, it might not be such a bad idea (and let's face it, we're not talking about ex-cons being hired at any sort of White Collar jobs, or at blue-collar jobs that require some degree of skill and training).

885 David Simon  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:42:31am

re: #882 Occasional Reader

newsjunkie and loppyd: You who are SATC followers... I'm morbidly curious; how did the show deal with 9/11, if at all?

I'm guessing Samantha had a three-way with two of the firemen.

886 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:42:39am

re: #881 MES41067

Sarcasm on top of sarcasm I love it.

Shakespeare? Beethoven? MORONS!

Vanilla Ice's work will be taught thousands of years from now, when those names have been long forgotten.

887 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:42:49am

I still want obama to get the nomination. I know a ton of dems that will not vote for him but would vote for hillary.

888 rightside  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:43:06am

re: #876 tfc3rid

Thank you!

889 WriterMom  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:43:31am

re: #866 Occasional Reader

You people have no poetic spirit.

The only thing that rhymes with purple is.....wait for it...

Nurple.

890 Widow'smight  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:44:40am

re: #829 newsjunkie_ky

My favorite Movie with "Romance" in it is Rooster Cogburn. Maybe cause my favorite actor and actress were in it.

Here's the ending......

Reuben, I have to say it:
living with you has been an adventure
any woman would relish for all time.
I look at you, with your
burnt-out face, your big belly,
your bear-like paws
and shining eyes.
You're a credit to the male sex
and I'm proud you're my friend.



Damned if she didn't get
the last word in again. Well...

891 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:44:59am

re: #886 Occasional Reader

Shakespeare? Beethoven? MORONS!

Vanilla Ice's work will be taught thousands of years from now, when those names have been long forgotten.

His work is thought-provoking. For instance, Ice has "his ragtop down, so his hair can blow," but he has so much hair gel, that his hair cannot move. What's he really trying to say?

892 EC Marm  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:45:09am

re: #884 realwest
Sorry, real, I'm gonna pack some heat and knock off some hot dog vendor in the city. It's my ticket to that job I always wanted.
Seriously, when you remove the disincentives to criminals, do you expect less criminals?

893 loppyd  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:45:46am

Is this old news?

Michael Pfleger Met With Farrakhan


Last week the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan spoke at The Faith Community of St. Sabina, which is pastored by Father Michael Pfleger. The May 25 speech was Min. Farrakhan’s first time speaking publicly since Mother’s Day.

This was great to see because it brought two of my favorite people together. Minister Farrakhan who was on his death bed from cancer last year, reportedly spoke for an hour at St. Sabina and in a powerful way. Pfleger spent many hours with Min. Farrakhan during his illness.

Father Pfleger and Min. Farrakhan have shared an long friendship as they both have labored to uplift the African-American community in Chicago and throughout the country. Anyone who actually listens to the Minister as opposed to relying on sound bites knows that if his heart has any hatred, it’s a hatred of evil and injustice. The Muslim minister and Catholic priest know that what matters most is doing God’s work, especially for the least of these, my brethren.

894 realwest  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:45:49am

re: #865 wahabicorridor
Hey good morning wahabi! How are you doing today?

895 WriterMom  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:45:55am

re: #885 David Simon

Fireman thread!

Mandy!

896 Occasional Reader  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:46:07am

re: #890 Widow'smight

My favorite Movie with "Romance" in it is Rooster Cogburn.

Was that the one where the Duke says, "FILL YOUR HANDS, you son-of-a-bitch!"? Great line.

897 zmdavid  Fri, May 30, 2008 7:46:11am

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I have to push my spinoff. O'Reilly rips NBC News for their bias. At about 1 minute from the end, Bernie asks him, sort of sarcastically, if they should all quit at NBC, and he say "Yeah!".