..."over the unpopular war."

Yawn.

Pull Out now.

Surrender!

The bias is so deep-seated even people on our side don't always see it.

Like obama knows anything about the Military, or Iraq.

Still waiting on Hillary's October suprise in June.

Obama says:

As the saying goes, you're entitled to your own view, but not your own facts.

One word, Senator- Auschwitz.

"Squabbling?" Maybe Deborah Charles didn't learn English as a first language. Or maybe she intended to trivialize the difference of opinion.
Setting up the whole discussion as a tiresome "squabble" is dumb reporting.

re: #5 newsjunkie_ky

Like obama knows anything about the Military, or Iraq.

He knows down deep in his heart that he is unfit to lead them.

A couple of years ago they ran some intentionally biased polls to elicit an answer:

"Do you approve of the way Bush is conducting the war in Iraq?"

35% of the respondents (the moonbats) said "No, we should surrender immediately!"

35% of the respondents (conservatives) said, "No, he's being a pansy: we should kick their asses and hard!"

The next day's headline:

70% of Americans Disapprove of the War

It's been an undisputed fact ever since.

isn't BO supposed to be the unifier?

/sarc

When is Obama going to fly to Iraq and address all the fallen war veterans?

I agree with zombie. *Yawn*
Now can I go back to the FNDT?

U.S. Cites Big Gains Against Al-Qaeda

This wouldn't have happened if we would have surrendered to Al-Qaeda like the Democrats wanted us to do in '03 '04 '05 '06 '07 '08.

Alien Symbiont, what is best in life?

[To crush the moonbats! To drive them before you! To hear the lamentations of their ... Um ... Do I have to call those Code Pink idiots women?]

re: #10 JeremyR
You are so right.

Obama won't go to Iraq. He wouldn't make the political mistake of being disrespected by the troops, the way Hilary was.

The pull-out method was rated as 70-percent ineffective, back when they taught us 'bout our bodies in health class.

re: #7 Sharmuta

Obama says:

One word, Senator- Auschwitz.

Two words -- Killing Fields.

DON'T ASK!

I Shall Be Back TOMORROW.

-S-

Bambi is in so far over his head trying to discuss military affairs. I just hopes he keeps it up.

Nothing like further exposing your greatest weakness.

re: #16 The Other Les

camp followers?

re: #19 astronmr20

The pull-out method was rated as 70-percent ineffective, back when they taught us 'bout our bodies in health class.

Did you pull out to Okinawa?

That's not true and anyone running for commander in chief should know better

You mean like how many states there are in the union?

re: #23 jaunte

camp followers?

[you know Les, that could work.]

Sure.

re: #6 JeremyR

Still waiting on Hillary's October suprise in June.

I think it's gonna be a real october surprise.. in october.. by the republicans..

hint: it involves a video of Michelle Obama at the pulpit ranting about whitey.

Think I'm kidding?

Maybe I'm a maroon (group hug!) but is there something about this Reuters thing that's untrue?

The two fellas are squabblin'. (Bring on the six-shooters.)

They're the presumptive nominees. (Although I'm sure Hillary hates that.)

And yeah, the war is more un- than popular, from what I understand. (Although if someone can steer me toward numbers to the contrary, I'd be thrilled.)

What's the problem?

re: #27 astronmr20

Are you sure? Is your source vetted?

More Lord Byron, prophetically, on Obama:

If a man proves too clearly and convincingly to himself . . . that a tiger is an optical illusion--well, he will find out he is wrong. The tiger will himself intervene in the discussion, in a manner which will be in every sense conclusive.

re: #27 astronmr20

I think it's gonna be a real october surprise.. in october.. by the republicans..

hint: it involves a video of Michelle Obama at the pulpit ranting about whitey.

Think I'm kidding?

Heard it on Rush today.

Is this maybe the same mystery tape that Hannity is supposed to be sitting on?

re: #29 hermeneutics

Nope, unsure about the source.

re: #31 itellu3times

Interesting, I heard the same thing elsewhere yesterday...

re: #31 itellu3times

Clue me in, please. What did you hear on Rush?

al-Reuters is full of morons

re: #25 Sharmuta

You mean like how many states there are in the union?

57! 56? 42? 75?

ELECT ME! I KNOW A LOT OF NUMBERS.

re: #27 astronmr20

I think it's gonna be a real october surprise.. in october.. by the republicans..

hint: it involves a video of Michelle Obama at the pulpit ranting about whitey.

Think I'm kidding?

Hillary isn't going to wait until October to pull something. Without an October suprise, this race is over. BHussein is the dem choice to get blistered in November. The October suprise is the realm of the left.

Prince Humperdinck: Surrender.
Westley: You mean you wish to surrender to me? Very well, I accept.

We should watch the Reuter's counter on the left as it will be interesting to see if it goes up. So far, only one visitor.

re: #28 Cognito

And yeah, the war is more un- than popular, from what I understand. (Although if someone can steer me toward numbers to the contrary, I'd be thrilled.)

What's the problem?

The Civil War was the most unpopular war this country has ever had. Should Lincoln have surrendered to the South just because it was so unpopular?

re: #27 astronmr20

I think it's gonna be a real october surprise.. in october.. by the republicans..

hint: it involves a video of Michelle Obama at the pulpit ranting about whitey.

Think I'm kidding?

TEASE!

re: #28 Cognito

It's up in the first sentence:
"Reuters is getting tired of the bickering and squabbling over small issues.."
The use of words like 'bicker' and 'squabble.'
Trivializing. Editorializing.

re: #41 DesertSage

The Civil War was the most unpopular war this country has ever had. Should Lincoln have surrendered to the South just because it was so unpopular?

Of course not. What's that got to do with the Reuters lede?

re: #34 hermeneutics

Clue me in, please. What did you hear on Rush?

[Link: www.rushlimbaugh.com...]

(at the bottom)

Just a quick mention, then Snerdly told him he wasn't supposed to talk about that.

Hai. me cants wait for teh convention!

re: #43 jaunte

It's up in the first sentence:
"Reuters is getting tired of the bickering and squabbling over small issues.."
The use of words like 'bicker' and 'squabble.'
Trivializing. Editorializing.

That's it? The use of the word 'squabble'?

re: #36 savage_nation

Three words -- The Gulag Archipelego

Four words -- The Great Leap Forward.

re: #40 hermeneutics

We should watch the Reuter's counter on the left as it will be interesting to see if it goes up. So far, only one visitor.

When do Friday prayers end at mosques in Europe and the Americas?

If Hillary has anything on Obama, she'll use it in a couple days. I don't think she's got enough dirt to soil him for why would she sit on it?

Now, it makes sense for the Republicans to patiently sit on their evidence until the Democrats are committed to Obama in August. Then, come September, they'll blow little Obama away.

re: #47 Cognito

That's it? The use of the word 'squabble'?

AAAIIIYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

re: #43 jaunte

It's up in the first sentence:
"Reuters is getting tired of the bickering and squabbling over small issues.."
The use of words like 'bicker' and 'squabble.'
Trivializing. Editorializing.

You can talk all you like,
You can bicker, you can talk,
You can bicker bicker bicker,
You can talk talk talk,
But it's different than it was.

(no it ain't! no it ain't! but you gotta know the territory!)

re: #49 MandyManners

Good one, Mandy ... laughing here.

Welcome to the decline of western civilization.

Hosted by Cognito.

/cat just don't get it

re: #47 Cognito

Yes, that's it. There isn't anything more to it than that. There's nothing to talk about here. Maybe you should go watch a movie.

re: #47 Cognito

That's it? The use of the word 'squabble'?

Not exactly objective terms, are they?

Scroll by me...

Can't John McCain just say he's not going to discuss Iraq policy with somebody so inexperienced.

Really, discussing this with Obama is a waste of time. It's like a surgeon arguing surgery with a guy who works at Subway

re: #44 Cognito

Of course not. What's that got to do with the Reuters lede?

Do you agree with Reuters that, just because the war is unpopular, we should just surrender?

re: #52 itellu3times

I was just listening to that

what could b.o. possibly know abt. the military and appropriate troop levels in iraq?
what?

"Well I don't think tens of thousands of American troops amounts to nit-picking," Obama said. "Tell that to the young men and women who are serving bravely and brilliantly under our flag."

Yeah- that flag that you can't even honor yourself, Senator?

re: #54 reno911

Welcome to the decline of western civilization.

Hosted by Cognito.

/cat just don't get it

Well. Help me out then. Which part of the Reuters lede is wrong?

I'm no fan of Reuters, but this seems a bit persnickety. It's a pretty straightforward bit of newspaper reporting. Two guys. Presumptive nominees. Disagreeing. Not a beloved war.

It doesn't thrill me, but I can't see the error in it.

The media is full on behind this guy. Obama poses a grave threat to this country and he has the "information providers" running interference for him.
And on the other end of the spectrum we have people whining that McCain isn't conservative enough and he wont say this or do that and even if he did it wouldn't mean what they think it should mean, yada yada yada..
You could run a potted plant against Obama and I would be sending it cash, arguing for it and putting a "potted plant 08" sticker on my car.

I am really, really concerned about the future of the country.

re: #61 nyc redneck

what could b.o. possibly know abt. the military and appropriate troop levels in iraq?
what?

He once had a third cousin twice removed that knew somebody that lived across the street from a Vietnam Vet.

re: #60 Shug

I was just listening to that

Maaarrrrrrrrian, ....

re: #30 jaunte

I wish I had that quote handy MANY years back when having such a discussion with a moonbatish friend (all we see is just a manifestation of our consciousness, nothing is real, blah blah blah).

My analogy involved a large glass ashtray, a bloody mess, a funeral, and a prison sentence.

I prefer Byron's analogy. More eloquent, and far less likely to be perceived as a threat.

re: #61 nyc redneck

what could b.o. possibly know abt. the military and appropriate troop levels in iraq?
what?

His great great uncle liberated Baghdad

re: #64 Boxy_brown

You could run a potted plant against Obama and I would be sending it cash, arguing for it and putting a "potted plant 08" sticker on my car.

Go Coleus !

re: #59 DesertSage

Do you agree with Reuters that, just because the war is unpopular, we should just surrender?

Ah, no. But I'm looking at what Charles has posted here, and I don't see anyone calling for surrender. Point me toward it, if you don't mind.

Ohhhh, tomorrow is the Dem committee meeting to determine the fate of the Michigan and Florida delegates. They're trying to squash all dissent and protest but I wonder if they're up to that challenge.

I also read that the Dems are running out of money for their convention and are tightening their budget.

re: #53 hermeneutics

Good one, Mandy ... laughing here.

8-)

re: #45 itellu3times

Thanks.

re: #72 Cognito

Ah, no. But I'm looking at what Charles has posted here, and I don't see anyone calling for surrender. Point me toward it, if you don't mind.

Anyway.

Guess I'll go to bed.

re: #2 faraway

Pull Out now.

Substantial penalty for early withdrawl...

re: #77 ploome hineni

Make it a double.

The bickering is not helping my children.

re: #77 ploome hineni

.......oh, I see we have another cognito thread

/spit

Frankly I'd rather discuss the topic. Reuters and the war.

But feel free to contribute however you'd like.

re: #80 ploome hineni

WINGERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
don;t go

lets talk recipes

Recipes ? Me? I know how to make popcorn. LOL

re: #70 ploome hineni

I think this qualifies as, "The country is tilted towards Obama, and all the loose nuts are rolling his way."

re: #63 Cognito

Well. Help me out then. Which part of the Reuters lede is wrong?

I'm no fan of Reuters, but this seems a bit persnickety. It's a pretty straightforward bit of newspaper reporting. Two guys. Presumptive nominees. Disagreeing. Not a beloved war.

It doesn't thrill me, but I can't see the error in it.

Don't you have any concept of value-laden words?

re: #84 ploome hineni

winger

I could alway discuss my menopause symptoms

/rofl

You have symptoms? They took my symptoms when they took my ovaries! haha

I love it when the MSM uses the nomenclature "unpopular war" (as if there's such a thing as a popular war). Nobody likes war, least of all the people who have to fight it. What separates us "warmongers" from the moonbats is that we realize that war, however distasteful it is, is sometimes necessary.

Oh, for fuck's sake. I give up.

re: #47 Cognito

Come on, Cognito. You're just being deliberately obtuse - something you like to specialize in.

A wife squabbles with her husband about his not taking the garbage out. The war in Iraq is on a different level altogether. We are talking about policy issues that impact millions and millions of people and the future of the world. And the rest of the article is equally unprofessional.

Please stop pretending to be so stupid, it's getting tiresome.

re: #27 astronmr20

Hannity's been talking about that for a few days also, with some claiming he has the tape.

The last light of the day of May 30, A.D. 2008, falls on the San Gabriel Mountains of California.

re: #91 Irene NYC

I don't think it's pretending. I used to. I don't now.

re: #89 David Simon

Exactly. I always point out that the republicans DO want us out of Iraq... asap.

it is impossible to look at scare crow obama and think he is 'man enough' to get the gist of the military.

re: #93 Ojoe

The last light of the day of May 30, A.D. 2008, falls on the San Gabriel Mountains of California.

Gosh that's pretty.

re: #72 Cognito

Ah, no. But I'm looking at what Charles has posted here, and I don't see anyone calling for surrender. Point me toward it, if you don't mind.

If they were just reporting about the troop levels, why would they feel the need to interject how unpopular the war is?
The wars popularity has nothing to do with the troop levels.

re: #93 Ojoe

Look now. Quick.
Towercam

re: #98 ploome hineni

but what about the flashes?

Flashes? I don't need no stinking flashes.

re: #89 David Simon

I love it when the MSM uses the nomenclature "unpopular war" (as if there's such a thing as a popular war). Nobody likes war, least of all the people who have to fight it. What separates us "warmongers" from the moonbats is that we realize that war, however distasteful it is, is sometimes necessary.

I guarantee you that the war is more popular with those who sigend up to fight it than those who are busy sucking chai and wearing peace scarves.

re: #72 Cognito

Ah, no. But I'm looking at what Charles has posted here, and I don't see anyone calling for surrender. Point me toward it, if you don't mind.

I know I'm moving the goalposts a little here but can you direct me to Obama's position on winning in Iraq. I'm not sure if he's interested in victory here, only retreat. If Obama has a plan for winning in Iraq I'm not aware of it.

re: #100 Ojoe

Sun's gone now, just the lingering dusk ...
Towercam

Every time I see BHO I see the image of a small boy trying on his daddy's shoes and his daddy's suit

re: #104 ploome hineni

Let it fly, ploomie! I need the grins :)

re: #102 MandyManners

Maybe. They do their job honorably because it's their job, and they know they are making a difference, but no one likes being there.

I love the phraseology, the "two likely candidates".

Let's get this straight. McCain's been the GOP nominee for how long now? In the weirdest election season ever, the "avalanche" favorite cannot truly close the door before the convention.

But please, Reuters, do anoint Senator Obama. Of all the bonehead moments we've had in this campaign, the capper will be when the demonrats select their unelectable candidate as their nominee.

By all means, go ahead. I revel in the stupidity. You want to have a convention just for show, and your favored party is so bitterly divided that you have no chance.

Don't believe me? That's your problem, not mine.

re: #91 Irene NYC

Come on, Cognito. You're just being deliberately obtuse - something you like to specialize in.

A wife squabbles with her husband about his not taking the garbage out. The war in Iraq is on a different level altogether. We are talking about policy issues that impact millions and millions of people and the future of the world. And the rest of the article is equally unprofessional.

Please stop pretending to be so stupid, it's getting tiresome.

Eh. If that's all this criticism is about -- the word 'squabble' -- then I'm not going to bother getting too breathless about it.

It's not a great word, maybe. Not a sober word for a sober topic. But that's not the end of the world. Seems to me like some people here are primed to deliver swift kicks to Reuters, et al, regardless of the offense. So to speak.

re: #89 David Simon

I love it when the MSM uses the nomenclature "unpopular war" (as if there's such a thing as a popular war). Nobody likes war, least of all the people who have to fight it. What separates us "warmongers" from the moonbats is that we realize that war, however distasteful it is, is sometimes necessary.

Thank you for saying it just like it should be.

Irene NYC (#91),

Come on, Cognito. You're just being deliberately obtuse - something you like to specialize in.

A wife squabbles with her husband about his not taking the garbage out. The war in Iraq is on a different level altogether. We are talking about policy issues that impact millions and millions of people and the future of the world. And the rest of the article is equally unprofessional.

Please stop pretending to be so stupid, it's getting tiresome.

Cognito pretending to be stupid: It's what's for dinner.

re: #100 Ojoe

Look now. Quick.
Towercam

I'd put that up against any of my favorite spots in the Smokeys.

re: #103 Killgore Trout

I know I'm moving the goalposts a little here but can you direct me to Obama's position on winning in Iraq. I'm not sure if he's interested in victory here, only retreat. If Obama has a plan for winning in Iraq I'm not aware of it.

Thankfully- the article posts obama's strategy for Iraq:

He has promised to remove U.S. combat troops from Iraq within 16 months of taking office.

Of course- it's not what you asked for, but it is his strategy.

re: #103 Killgore Trout

I remember him saying himself that he would push for immediate withdrawal... Remember that video where he essentially says he will disarm the united states? It's in that one...

re: #28 Cognito

McCain cited numbers which are facts, Cognito - So it ain't a squabble. Obama don't know his Ass from a hole in the ground - about Iraq or anything else.

re: #72 Cognito

Ah, no. But I'm looking at what Charles has posted here, and I don't see anyone calling for surrender. Point me toward it, if you don't mind.

Study after study have shown that the jihadists have been endlessly encouraged by the lack of public support by the leftists in this country and their ability to keep this country not united in supporting the war effort. Same as during Vietnam.

Once again, you're being deliberately obtuse...and booooorrring.

re: #107 Shug

Every time I see BHO I see the image of a small boy trying on his daddy's shoes and his daddy's suit

don't you mean caftans and sandals?

re: #100 Ojoe
Always so beautiful but I must confess I really like when the towercam turns toward LA at night.

re: #99 DesertSage

If they were just reporting about the troop levels, why would they feel the need to interject how unpopular the war is?
The wars popularity has nothing to do with the troop levels.

Hey, I can see that. Seems like an unnecessary dig. That doesn't make it untrue, but it does make it irrelevant for the lede paragraph.

re: #115 MandyManners

The smokeys? Where are u?

I'm in NC.. love the smokies.

Did we not all hear this rumor a few weeks ago?
I too, am menopausal ... and crazy if you ask my family.
Hillary had it and was shopping the video, curious that Hannity perhaps has it.
Why would this bomb not drop now?
The Pubs are not this bright.

re: #116 Sharmuta

He is promising to lose.

No other way to see it ...

"D" in this case stands for "Defeat".

re: #65 mama winger

He once had a third cousin twice removed that knew somebody that lived across the street from a Vietnam Vet.

Yeah, but then it turned out the guy was a Vietnamese veterinarian.
How 'bout our Cubbies? Down 8-0, and win 10-9!

re: #113 Geepers

Cognito pretending to be stupid: It's what's for dinner.

Socrates used to go around claiming to be the most ignorant man in the world but I don't think he's succeeded in getting registered on LGF, so we'll just have to do with Cognito.

re: #72 Cognito

Ah, no. But I'm looking at what Charles has posted here, and I don't see anyone calling for surrender. Point me toward it, if you don't mind.

What would you call this if it's not surrender?

He has promised to remove U.S. combat troops from Iraq within 16 months of taking office.

It's summer weather over here on the Other Side of the World and I'm seeing quite a few classmates wearing kaffiyehs checkered scarves.

Oh, and on the lighter side of things, I has a plaster dragon.

re: #122 snowcrash

Twinkly Lights! Yeah!

re: #106 Ojoe

It sets so quickly.

re: #123 Cognito

No but it's all about subtle word placement.

re: #128 Bob in Breckenridge

How 'bout our Cubbies? Down 8-0, and win 10-9!

OMG! Did you see that game ! WOW!

re: #65 mama winger

He once had a third cousin twice removed that knew somebody that lived across the street from a Vietnam Vet.

And he has John Kerry advising him.

Er, I guess he does.

John Kerry served in Vietnam, y'know.

re: #130 Sharmuta

Ah, no. That's not Reuters calling for surrender; that's a politician.

re: #111 Cognito

Eh. If that's all this criticism is about -- the word 'squabble' -- then I'm not going to bother getting too breathless about it.

I also stated that the rest of the article was equally unprofessional. Please do me the courtesy of reading what I write before criticizing me.

The article goes on and on without once stating that the surge in troop numbers has actually worked!

Perpetuating that the war in Iraq is "unpopular" seems to be their aim.

I'll just bet Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann love Reuters...

re: #121 nyc redneck

point taken

re: #111 Cognito

It's not an objective word, Cognito, you disingenuous fuck!

Objectivity. Type it with me - o-b-j-e-c-t-i-v-i-t-y. Do you and your leftist msm wussies have any memory of the concept of objectivity?

re: #103 Killgore Trout

Amen, Killgore (excuse the phrasing *chuckle*)

Winning in Iraq has no value for Obama. Therefore, he doesn't feel such a strategy is necessary.

re: #140 Intrepid

It's all MSM.. it's all the same.

You know I've heard about this supposed tape of Michelle Obama ranting on tape about "whitey."How many anti-white tapes is it going to take? Look every anti-white rant and anti-American anti- Israel attack from his "mentors" has been ignored and forgiven. If something comes up in October featuring his Lovely wife yet again pointing up how mean America is, the press will likely ignore it also. Besides if they don't he can just throw her under the bus with the rest.

re: #72 Cognito

Ah, no. But I'm looking at what Charles has posted here, and I don't see anyone calling for surrender. Point me toward it, if you don't mind.

To take a line from Barry Sadlers "What is the badge of Courage", "If you don't know now, I can't tell you".

Roto-Reuters - It cleans your pipes!

The problem is this:

Iraq was the story when it was going bad... bad for America and bad for Bush made Iraq the number one issue. When the tide turned, and it looks like the Democrats need to change from their mantra of "pull out now" and actually develop a real strategy, the MSM begins downplaying Iraq's significance.

An old story... the News of The Day is whatever story plays to the Democrat's strengths, and if it shows their failings... bury it.

re: #139 Irene NYC

I also stated that the rest of the article was equally unprofessional. Please do me the courtesy of reading what I write before criticizing me.

Pardon, Irene. I don't recall criticizing you. I'm simply not agreeing yet.

ploome (#126),

Hey ploome.

Bean working a special project that's taken up a lot of my spare time. Finished it up today. It came in way under budget, on time and working fine.

How's things with you?

Cognito said:

I don't see anyone calling for surrender. Point me toward it, if you don't mind.

So Sharmuta points out the one who is calling for surrender:

He has promised to remove U.S. combat troops from Iraq within 16 months of taking office.

Sorry it's not reuters, Cog, but you asked to see who was calling for surrender. I obliged.

re: #114 song_and_dance_man

We almost have all the knowledge we need about this man , and it is best not taken from what he says now but from what he said before.

And one more thing. B. Hussein knows nothing about foreign affairs other than he learned in his chutch at the feet of his racist pastor. B. Hussein has facts such as he has said, "you're entitled to your own view, but not your own facts", and those facts he speaks of are contrary to what is right.

Anyone running for commander-in-chief? Is that what the doofus thinks? Sheesh, he just continues to amaze me with how utterly clueless he is.

re: #137 itellu3times

And he has John Kerry advising him.

Er, I guess he does.

John Kerry served in Vietnam, y'know.

And let's not forget that Obama's great uncle liberated Auschwitz. So Obama does have some military knowledge.

I would rather take lessons in cleaning fish than to have another il-lucid conversation with Cogg.

re: #151 Cognito

How do you spell OBTUSE?

re: #158 ploome hineni

I am stressed and distracted

got a speeding ticket Tuesday

the construction is killing me

I got my very first ticket ever last week. I can die a happy and fulfilled woman now.

re: #103 Killgore Trout

I know I'm moving the goalposts a little here but can you direct me to Obama's position on winning in Iraq. I'm not sure if he's interested in victory here, only retreat. If Obama has a plan for winning in Iraq I'm not aware of it.

so far all I hear from him is Whinning about Iraq.

re: #150 stevieray

Good news is no news. :P

re: #144 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Exactly. Furthermore, both Barack Obama, and the people he is most popular with.. many of them the ones who helped fund his campaign, are not only dedicated to even worse disaster in Iraq, are people who seriously think this country got what it deserved on 9/11.

Each election cycle, there is always a candidate or a hopeful that we say "our country is doomed if _____ wins the elected.

But finally, I fear the above statement is finally true. Look at the folks he's trying to garner support from in this video:

Again.. both he and his most rabid supporters truly believe this country should be knocked down a few pegs.

re: #153 Sharmuta

Cognito said:

Sorry it's not reuters, Cog, but you asked to see who was calling for surrender. I obliged.

No, Sharmuta. You leapt into a conversation without reading it fully. The original statement was this:

Do you agree with Reuters that, just because the war is unpopular, we should just surrender?

To which I answered that I certainly do not, although I don't see where anyone -- Reuters, here -- is making such a call. It's nice how you address me in the third person, though. Almost royal.

re: #157 mama winger

I would rather take lessons in cleaning fish than to have another il-lucid conversation with Cogg.

1) Stick your finger down the fish's throat.

2) ....

re: #147 nigella

Nigella -- though the MSM may ignore it, the conservative alternative media as well as the blogs will pass the word. Just think how many hits it will get on You-Tube? I don't think a really juicy video will be ignored.

The question is this: Will the video be seen by those who haven't yet made up their minds about which candidate deserves their vote? My hunch is that You-Tube and other internet venues will attract a different subset of the voting population than the one to which you and I belong. At least I hope so.

ploome (#158),

the construction is killing me

Any completion date on the horizon?

re: #158 ploome hineni

I am stressed and distracted

got a speeding ticket Tuesday

the construction is killing me

You can go to driving school.
Well, I don't know about your state, but in CA you can go to driving school. And you can do it online.

re: #109 astronmr20

Maybe. They do their job honorably because it's their job, and they know they are making a difference, but no one likes being there.

Bless their hearts!

re: #154 savage_nation

Did you do OK with the storms last night?

They shot by to the north. Hardly a flash here. Several towns NW of us got hit pretty hard.

re: #151 Cognito

Well, you are deliberately pretending not to understand that when you lead a lede para with a word like squabble, you're setting the tone for the rest of the article.

And I call you out for pretending not to understand what's going on in that article, because most people not involved in journalism wouldn't know to write "lede para" like you did. Sorry, you're just being a jerk. (And I'll just bet you have/had something to do with media.)

re: #159 Cap'n DOC

How do you spell OBTUSE?

re: #160 ploome hineni

c o g n i t o

re: #143 Noam Sayin'

It's not an objective word, Cognito, you disingenuous fuck!

Objectivity. Type it with me - o-b-j-e-c-t-i-v-i-t-y. Do you and your leftist msm wussies have any memory of the concept of objectivity?

My goodness. A regular Algonquin round table, here.

Candidate mentions in the story, by paragraph.
Is there a pattern in the writing?

1. Obama acting on McCain, mention of unpopular war
2. Obama acting on McCain, "unrealistic"
3. 5 year old war, unpopular, 'fiery' issue
4. McCain says surge is working
5. Obama says he's wrong
6. Snark from Obama, who has been criticized for inexperience
7. He's Wrong, Obama sez; crowd cheers!
8. Troop numbers
9. McCain campaign explains it's a question of (airquote) "tenses"
calls criticism 'nitpicking'
10. McCain asked if he misspoke, he says of course not
11. Obama accuses M of not admitting his mistake
12. Obama throws brilliant and brave troops in M's face; not nitpicking!
13. McCain was a POW, supports the war, will keep troops there until war is won
14. Obama is almost nominated, opposed war, wants troops home in 16 months.
15. McCain has been to Iraq 8 times, says Obama should go to gain experience.
16. Obama dismissed trip proposal as political stunt. He's been to Iraq.

Obama has no plan to win in Iraq because he does not believe in his heart that we should win. He believes it was an illegal war and not worth fighting. He believes Al-Queda is not a threat in Iraq. To take measures to actually win would be to admit that this is a fight worth the effort. He is not going to do that. He would prefer a losing scenario because it fits his world view of the United States as an unjust aggressor.

re: #158 ploome hineni

What construction, Ploome? Are you building a house for your family? In the business? Other?

re: #170 MandyManners

Indeed (:

re: #173 Cognito

this thread ain't about you

re: #175 mama winger

Well-said!

re: #157 mama winger
I would rather take lessons in cleaning fish than to have another il-lucid conversation with Cogg.

Mama, I think I will follow your lead.

Eventually McCain will ask Obama this question...

If Saddam was not deposed, would Iraq and Iran now
be in a nuclear arms race?

re: #141 Shug

point taken

i knew what you were saying.
how awkward and inept he is. it's pathetic how he has been exalted.
he can't even tie his dad's shoes (or buckle the sandals.)

re: #172 Irene NYC

Well, you are deliberately pretending not to understand that when you lead a lede para with a word like squabble, you're setting the tone for the rest of the article.

And I call you out for pretending not to understand what's going on in that article, because most people not involved in journalism wouldn't know to write "lede para" like you did. Sorry, you're just being a jerk. (And I'll just bet you have/had something to do with media.)

Yes, of course I understand 'lede.' But no, I just don't find 'squabble' to be so horribly offensive.

re: #179 astronmr20

Well-said!

Every once in a while I surprise myself with an actual thought. :)

re: #181 savage_nation

So where are you sittin'?

And... do you often get on the web from your cab? Or hotels?

re: #165 Cognito

Your usual assumptive and obfuscatory self, I see. Carry on.

re: #162 JeremyR

so far all I hear from him is Whinning about Iraq.

Like Hillary's plan to celebrate her victory after Super Tuesday, Obama has no plan if his vision suddenly turns into a must-win conflict in the Middle East. That's way too forward thinking for a guy, who by all indications, really doesn't much like or have any non-predatory use for us "white people", and who believes that a global caliphate wouldn't really be all that bad a thing.

Just don't insult me by thinking I'm kidding.

re: #180 Irene NYC

Yup. No use.

re: #173 Cognito

Fuck you.

(No doubt Dorothy Parker said something similar at one time.)

Got a ticket on Mem. day. 3 miles from home. Lost my trooper radar brain after a long ride alone with dog.
Didn't sleep for days, so upset.
All is well now

re: #173 Cognito

My goodness. A regular Algonquin round table, here.

Shall I take that as a, "no?"

re: #178 mama winger

this thread ain't about you

Of course not. I am -- again -- interested in discussing Reuters and the war. It's other people who seem determined otherwise. So let's stick to the topic.

Thanks.

re: #156 DesertSage

And let's not forget that Obama's great uncle liberated Auschwitz. So Obama does have some military knowledge.

And in 2002 B. Hussein Obama said it was his Grandfather who liberated Auschwitz.

re: #158 ploome hineni

the construction is killing me

Every day I traverse 38 miles each way through several construction sites and I never know the exact route I will be taking. Lots of side streets through Detroit. Heck, until a few weeks ago I never knew Detroit had an Elijah Muhammad Blvd. Niice.

Coos Bay

re: #11 zombie

A couple of years ago they ran some intentionally biased polls to elicit an answer:

"Do you approve of the way Bush is conducting the war in Iraq?"

35% of the respondents (the moonbats) said "No, we should surrender immediately!"

35% of the respondents (conservatives) said, "No, he's being a pansy: we should kick their asses and hard!"

The next day's headline:

70% of Americans Disapprove of the War

It's been an undisputed fact ever since.

Cognito did his utmost in this very thread to prove you 100% correct.

re: #194 Cognito

Don't thank me. I have multiple personalities and none of them like you.

re: #197 savage_nation

Ah... I love me some flying J...

#167, I would like to believe that Blogs and internet should be able to do this. The problem is there is an equal amount of liberal webs that counter-act any good that comes across. It is certainly better than the past and I am hopeful.It's just it's frustrating to see this obviously flawed candidate who should not even be considered for Senator, running for the highest office in the World. It's scary.

re: #73 hermeneutics

I also read that the Dems are running out of money for their convention and are tightening their budget.

I heard that the other days. Seems the specifications they have written to the caterers and others supplying the convention are, to be kind, somewhat spendy. They are requiring that the convention be "green" (as in ecologically moon-bat approved, no as in lots of lettuce and celery and Irish folks). They have specified various requirements regarding having to be locally grown (as people in Denver point out, that isn't possible with a lot of stuff being requested for that time of year), and a whole bunch of other stuff to appear environmentally sensitive.

/probably a good preview of what they will do to the rest of us if they seize power

re: #184 Cognito

Yes, of course I understand 'lede.' But no, I just don't find 'squabble' to be so horribly offensive.

Do you find the words, "squabble" and "bicker" objective?

re: #202 nigella

Is that your doggie?

re: #181 savage_nation

I was supposed to pick up a trailer at a place in Kearney NE but a tornado came in and demolished it.

They canceled our trip to Oklahoma because they decided not to rebuild the town. Expecting to hear from them on Sunday about going North.

re: #200 mama winger

You rock, mama!

re: #147 nigella

You know I've heard about this supposed tape of Michelle Obama ranting on tape about "whitey."How many anti-white tapes is it going to take? Look every anti-white rant and anti-American anti- Israel attack from his "mentors" has been ignored and forgiven. If something comes up in October featuring his Lovely wife yet again pointing up how mean America is, the press will likely ignore it also. Besides if they don't he can just throw her under the bus with the rest.

You know if there is such a tape he will give one of his two now well practiced speeches;
1. He never heard her talk like that in all the years they have been married---guess she only did it when he not around
2. I am so disappointed and do not agree with her words at all.

re: #199 Spiny Norman

Cognito did his utmost in this very thread to prove you 100% correct.

No. I'm not. I've not said we should surrender, blah blah blah, ad nauseum -- but if you can point me toward something that shows the Reuters lede is wrong, I'd very much appreciate it. That statistic would come in quite handy.

It is unfortunate that the left being the whining teenagers they are still believe that pulling out early will free them from the consequences of something they were more than willing to start.

The only difference between the war in Iraq and teenage love is the odds of this going bad by pulling out are much higher in their costs.

He's wrong. That's not true and anyone running for commander in chief should know better," Obama said to a cheering crowd at a campaign rally. "As the saying goes, you're entitled to your own view, but not your own facts.

McCain doesn't get that. The GOP doesn't cheer for their presumptive candidate, apparently.

Who knew ?

//

re: #203 AZfederalist

Word to Denver area merchants. Don't do business with the DNC unless you are getting paid in advance.

re: #194 Cognito

It seems rather telling to me that Charles has posted Roto-Reuters hits in the left bar for quite some time. What in hell makes discussing them so all-fired 'interesting' to you?

Honestly, the "social structure" in here gets a little silly.

If Cognito wants to disagree about semantics, let him. I disagree with him too, but sheesh.

re: #205 mama winger

Is that your doggie?

You never ask me that question.

re: #182 freedomplow

Eventually McCain will ask Obama this question...

If Saddam was not deposed, would Iraq and Iran now
be in a nuclear arms race?

NAH! the question would be how long until they would be in a nuclear arms WAR.

re: #204 Noam Sayin'

Do you find the words, "squabble" and "bicker" objective?

Don't forget "unpolular." Adjectives rarely belong in a news article.

re: #207 MandyManners

You rock, mama!

Only when I'm in my chair.

re: #103 Killgore Trout

If Obama has a plan for winning in Iraq I'm not aware of it.

We don't need to fight the terrorists; Michelle will just bitch them out.

So the story opens with Obama and closes with Obama, the crowd cheers for Obama, the paragraphs to do with Obama outnumber those to do with McCain 9 to 5. The stated policy of McCain is described as unpopular and the source of a 'fiery' controversy. Should we regard the article as slanted?

re: #214 astronmr20

Honestly, the "social structure" in here gets a little silly.

If Cognito wants to disagree about semantics, let him. I disagree with him too, but sheesh.

So, we should just step back and allow him to post bullshit?

re: #194 Cognito

It's other people who seem determined otherwise.

Those other people are only in your face because of the inane triangulations you lay out on a constant basis here.

re: #215 DesertSage

You never ask me that question.

Ahhhahahahaha!

Nothing but skin and bones, that one. You should try feeding him :)

re: #213 Cap'n DOC

It seems rather telling to me that Charles has posted Roto-Reuters hits in the left bar for quite some time. What in hell makes discussing them so all-fired 'interesting' to you?

Eh? Are you saying Charles has posted an unworthy topic?

How about we discuss it? The topic, that is?

Mama, yes that is my dog Nigel. Isn't he beautiful?

Withdrawal is what Obama's* father should have done 46** years ago!

* insert name of any LLL here
** enter their age

re: #218 mama winger

Only when I'm in my chair.

Love the shoes! Adore them!

re: #218 mama winger

Only when I'm in my chair.

i like your shoes.

The picture that Reuters posted along with the article of a soldier in a defensive position on top of a building was the first thing that struck me when I clicked the link. They love showing us on the defensive and not spreading our good will among the people or going on the offensive.

re: #188 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Like Hillary's plan to celebrate her victory after Super Tuesday, Obama has no plan if his vision suddenly turns into a must-win conflict in the Middle East. That's way too forward thinking for a guy, who by all indications, really doesn't much like or have any non-predatory use for us "white people", and who believes that a global caliphate wouldn't really be all that bad a thing.

Just don't insult me by thinking I'm kidding.

Kidding about what? BHussein is a bigger threat to our national safety then Carter. If he gets in, we will be hours away from surrender to the global community of hate.

re: #202 nigella

I share your pessimism. The fact that liberals tend to visit only liberal sites makes it unlikely that they'll hear other POVs. Conservatives, at least those I know, tend to know a lot more about the left than the left knows about the right.

The trick is to get a video to "go viral" so that people who normally wouldn't consider any POV other than their own may actually see it.

As conservatives, we have to be more forthright and evangelistic about the way we look at the world. That's the bottom line, isn't it?

re: #227 nigella

Mama, yes that is my dog Nigel. Isn't he beautiful?

He's gorgeous. I can't quite tell the breed from the photo. Tell me about him.

re: #229 MandyManners

Love the shoes! Adore them!

lol GMTA. i have a pair so much like those. soft bk leather.

re: #209 Cognito

if you can point me toward something that shows the Reuters lede is wrong,

Are you not old enough to understand how language is used and misued? Nobody here said the lede or the article are WRONG - they're BIASED. This is a news article, not an editorial. I take it you know the difference - even if Reuters doesn't.

re: #224 mama winger

Ahhhahahahaha!

Nothing but skin and bones, that one. You should try feeding him :)

He won't eat. I think there's something wrong with him.

re: #229 MandyManners

re: #230 nyc redneck

You two should go shoe shopping together :)

re: #203 AZfederalist

I heard that the other days. Seems the specifications they have written to the caterers and others supplying the convention are, to be kind, somewhat spendy. They are requiring that the convention be "green" (as in ecologically moon-bat approved, no as in lots of lettuce and celery and Irish folks). They have specified various requirements regarding having to be locally grown (as people in Denver point out, that isn't possible with a lot of stuff being requested for that time of year), and a whole bunch of other stuff to appear environmentally sensitive.

/probably a good preview of what they will do to the rest of us if they seize power

Yes, a perfect analogy. They mean well, but they overreach. Arrogantly.

Reuters: so serious they are about reporting this war that they use terms like 'Bicker" to describe the discussion of troop deployment. Then they reduce the discussion to semantic analysis akin to Clinton at the height of his prowess (whatever the meaning of is is).

Why should anyone take organizations like Reuters seriously when they reduce news stories of major importance in to a lesson on language. Is this what Journalists would like us to think they do for a living? Were I a journalist, I'd hang my head in shame. This behavior is despicable.

re: #234 savage_nation

oh man! perfect!

Glad you liked it! It is an old Nixon-era joke, updated and turned back on the originators.

re: #238 DesertSage

He won't eat. I think there's something wrong with him.

You should be a vet. Keen diagnostic powers.

re: #212 Mich-again

Word to Denver area merchants. Don't do business with the DNC unless you are getting paid in advance.

Cash money only. And check the bills for the counterfeiting features.

re: #219 savage_nation

Godspeed to them. What town?

Expect we will be headed into Nebraska if we don't go to Belville KS.
If you meant the name of the OK town, don't remember, it was the onw with the old mine tailings ruining the environment.

re: #239 mama winger

re: #230 nyc redneck

You two should go shoe shopping together :)

lol, we really should.
that was too much.

re: #221 jaunte

So the story opens with Obama and closes with Obama, the crowd cheers for Obama, the paragraphs to do with Obama outnumber those to do with McCain 9 to 5. The stated policy of McCain is described as unpopular and the source of a 'fiery' controversy. Should we regard the article as slanted?

The Millionaires' Messiah.

Mama, he's a English Setter. Blue Belton in color. Nigel because it seemed very English.

re: #248 nigella

Mama, he's a English Setter. Blue Belton in color. Nigel because it seemed very English.

Oh gosh! English setters have to be one of the most beautiful dog breeds ever. Seriously.

Man, did anyone catch Ferraro on O'Reilly?

re: #222 MandyManners

So, we should just step back and allow him to post bullshit?

We're at comment #226 on a fright night on a semi-open thread.

Seriously, the lizard army tends to go a little overboard if it's someone who disagrees in the slightest.

The reality is, we're at comment #230 on a fright night in a semi-open thread.

Celtics by 6 with 30.7 to play. Paul Pierce is at the FT line.

re: #219 savage_nation

Godspeed to them. What town?

Picher. No need to go to a ghost town. There are no needy people there, even if half of them have been wiped out by an EF-4 tornado.

re: #209 Cognito

Did you even bother to read what zombie wrote? These opinion polls have been deliberately misleading for 4 freaking years. I was polled by telephone on it once, not asked if I was "in favor" or "opposed" the war itself, but whether I "approved of Bush's handling of the war", which I did not at the time, because he appeared to be just mucking around and reacting to whatever Zarqawi or al-Sadr did. Of course, when the Gallup poll came out, I was in the "oppose the war" group.

It's bullshit they way they do these things and you know it.

Misses one...

re: #252 Noam Sayin'

Celtics by 6 with 30.7 to play. Paul Pierce is at the FT line.

Is that the soccer game ?

re: #247 MandyManners

I like that Soros is the only one seated. Can you see the strings?

I like this part from the article..

A campaign official said Obama's campaign was just "nit-picking".

nit-picking? Oh sure, conjure up images of Saddam's lice inspection.
/

re: #200 mama winger

Don't thank me. I have multiple personalities and none of them like you.

Hah! I'm just catching up, but that is a classic!

re: #245 JeremyR

Expect we will be headed into Nebraska if we don't go to Belville KS.
If you meant the name of the OK town, don't remember, it was the onw with the old mine tailings ruining the environment.

Pitcher, OK

Desparation three by Pistons clangs off the rim, Boston rebound.

He has selective hearing loss....Only hears what he wants to!

re: #250 formercorpsman

No, but Ferraro had an editorial today blasting Dems for being sexist.

re: #259 Grammy Cracker

Hah! I'm just catching up, but that is a classic!

:) I do what I can !

re: #250 formercorpsman

No! do tell.

re: #250 formercorpsman

Man, did anyone catch Ferraro on O'Reilly?

what happened?

re: #221 jaunte

It's a freakin' local rag of a paper and a local journalist in a town whose population may top out at about 40,000. I'm there every other week. It's news because anybody who's anybody and shows up in MT is bound to gather a crowd. He's an obfuscator with this crowd as well... MT is disproportionately represented in the military as it always has been. One of our Senators (Baucus) lost a nephew. This kind of a visit equates to news in this state.

Did I mention his name?

re: #262 nigella

He has selective hearing loss....Only hears what he wants to!

Don't they all! haha!

re: #214 astronmr20

Indeed.

I'd argue, though, that semantics seem to be the heart of the criticism of the Reuters lede. If there's a factual criticism being made, I haven't seen it.

And if there is a factual problem with the Reuters story, I'll be the first to line up and deliver the swift kicks. I'm just not too upset, so far, about what the news service has apparently done to offend:

1) Using 'squabble.' Not the end of civilization.

2) More pointedly, injecting 'unpopular' into the lede with no pressing reason. That's actually a much more valid criticism, I think. I've not seen it proven incorrect, but it does carry a bit of pique.

Ray Allen makes first of two free throws...

And the second.

Celtics-Lakers Final.

Oh, I'm not talking about Obama, but my dog Nigel, though it does seem appropriate for him as well.

re: #204 Noam Sayin'

Do you find the words, "squabble" and "bicker" objective?

/I see a man in the back . . .

Going to be Celtics and Lakers! NBA finals, old school style.