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Obama to Speak on Church Bus Throw

Sat, May 31, 2008 at 5:00:47 pm PDT

Barack Obama is expected to speak soon about his 20-years belated decision to leave Trinity United Church, and here’s a thread to discuss it.

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1 MarkX  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:01:19pm

What do we drink to?

2 jamgarr  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:01:37pm

Michelle quit too.

3 Charles  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:01:37pm

CNN isn't showing it!

4 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:01:57pm
5 mama winger  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:02:01pm

CNN and MSNBC not covering this speech?

6 Carolyn  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:02:24pm

I am not fooled by this late awakening.

7 _RememberTonyC  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:02:25pm

maybe he'll convert to Judaism ... he needs "The Tribe" to support him if he expects to win.

8 jelo  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:02:27pm

lot's of uhhhs!

9 Bobblehead  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:02:30pm

He's throwing the church bus under the bus, too? Wow, that's some big bus he has.

10 Ma Sands  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:02:33pm

re: #3 Charles

I'm looking at CNN.....

11 DistantThunder  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:02:38pm

Big discussions with family and friends and praying with pastors - such an obvious decision - and he spends weeks making up his mind.

Not leadership material

12 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:02:40pm

re: #3 Charles

It's on the web feed.

13 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:02:56pm
14 HelloDare  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:02:57pm

First words were a lie. "I'm glad to see you guys."

15 mama winger  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:03:00pm

re: #12 Killgore Trout

It's on the web feed.

But not on TV

16 Dolphin  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:03:00pm

What "church" will he join now?

17 Tarkus289  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:03:02pm

If you guys have a drink every time he says "uh" you will pass out in 5 minutes.

18 MarkX  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:03:04pm

on FOX,

19 mikeymom  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:03:08pm

drink word is --aahhhh--

20 mean Gene  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:03:08pm

He's making a tremendous case for NOT leaving!
It is just that their MOUTHS get in the way!

21 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:03:11pm

What kind of tread does Obama's bus' tires have?

22 Luigi  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:03:13pm

CNN covering the gas crisis.

23 DistantThunder  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:03:15pm

If he loses the general election, my money says he's back in the church.

24 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:03:18pm

I've sent ther baby Lizard to bring me an Applelicious beverage...

25 mama winger  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:03:23pm

re: #16 Dolphin

What "church" will he join now?

NOI

26 hermeneutics  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:03:24pm

The CNN video says that Obama will take questions after his speech. I wonder which college student in attendance knows anything about radicalized churches.

27 pingjockey  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:03:27pm

It is the medias fault!

28 Sizzlack  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:03:35pm

Once again I remind everyone that it was not 2.5 months ago this same man said he could no more divorce himself of Wright or Trinity Church than he could his own family. Yet he wound up doing so anyway. If this isn't enough proof that he is a shallow hack fool I don't know what is.

29 trailortrash  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:03:36pm

/pulls on hip waders

getting deep

30 mean Gene  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:03:59pm

The audacity of scrutiny!

31 DistantThunder  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:04:01pm

He seems depressed.

32 Sharmuta  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:04:08pm

Here he starts with the victimhood routine....

33 The Other Les  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:04:17pm

re: #3 Charles

CNN isn't showing it!

No surprise there.

Forest Lake and Wyoming, Minnesota have a tornado warning.

34 debutaunt  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:04:18pm

Calling up sick and shut-ins!

35 _RememberTonyC  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:04:19pm

whining about the media?

LOL

36 Charles  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:04:27pm

Whining about the news coverage again.

37 MarkX  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:04:28pm

re: #16 Dolphin

What "church" will he join now?

To repeat myself...

Brother Love's Travelling Salvation Show

38 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:04:33pm

re: #6 Carolyn

I am not fooled by this late awakening.

There's 1.
299,999,999 to go.

39 jcm  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:04:34pm

Ladies and Gentlemen to demonstrate CHANGE I'm throwing TUCC under the bus with Grandma, Rev. Wright and others. I HOPE you don't notice.

Thank you,
B. Hussein.

40 hermeneutics  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:04:35pm

re: #28 Sizzlack

Good recall. Yes. I wonder if one of the students/reporters will remind him of his words and ask for an explanation.

41 zombie  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:04:40pm

Out of sheer orneriness, I'm posting this again, because no one seems to have noticed it:

Magic Bus

by the Who, Me?

Every day I add to the queue (too much, magic bus)
of folks to throw under the bus -- like you. (too much, magic bus)
They're so nervous, they just sit and smile (too much, magic bus)
Your time is coming, just wait a while. (too much, magic bus)

Thanks Rev. Wright, for getting me here (too much, magic bus)
Without your sermons I'd be stuck on my rear. (too much, magic bus)
I don't want to cause no fuss (too much, magic bus)
But can I throw you under my Magic Bus? (too much, magic bus)

42 VegasRick  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:04:42pm

re: #31 DistantThunder

He seems dRepressed.

Racists!

43 itellu3times  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:04:47pm

Barry II: The Awakening

44 MarkX  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:04:51pm

....."not fair".

45 HelloDare  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:04:51pm

See, he is making it America's problem, not his. Every time anybody says anything at the church people connect it to him.

46 NoSubmission  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:04:56pm

he's on FOX live.

47 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:05:09pm

Blame the news!

48 trailortrash  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:05:10pm

so he only left the church to give them a break from his overshadowing halo?

49 NoSubmission  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:05:12pm

just let them hate in peace.

50 bystander  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:05:15pm

"Change you can believe in."

You know another phrase regarding change? "The more things change, the more they stay the same." The more I see of Obama, the more he reminds me of Jimmy Carter.

A loose cannon rolling about on the deck of a ship is more likely to sink the ship it's on than harm the enemy. What we have here is a loose cannon.

51 DistantThunder  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:05:17pm

Obama wants to be Social Worker in Chief.

52 mean Gene  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:05:21pm

I'm guessing this means he'll be missing Sunday sermons for a while now.

53 The Other Les  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:05:21pm

re: #16 Dolphin

What "church" will he join now?

I would suggest the Church of Scientology and their Sea Org but that comes a bit close to suggesting violence.

54 pingjockey  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:05:22pm

You media people ar ebashing the church! Yep, that far right media like CNN and NBC and ABC et al.... are just right wing hit machines.

55 Sharmuta  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:05:23pm

The Audacity of Scrutiny!

56 jamgarr  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:05:24pm

Kernak: "Trinity, Trinity and Trinity"

Mayo Jar: "Name a huge explosion, a gigantic trio and a monumental mess"

57 mama winger  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:05:26pm

OT

re: #26 hermeneutics

You probably didn't see it, but on an earlier thread I noticed you know some folks with Wheaton's Billy Graham mission program. Do you know Roy Oksnevad by any chance?

58 NoSubmission  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:05:28pm

he's playing the victim.

59 HelloDare  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:05:28pm

He is doing exactly what he shouldn't be doing.

60 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:05:43pm

He did it for the church!

/what a guy

61 IgofAntioch  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:05:43pm

Bush may have the fault of being too loyal to his friends but obama has no loyalty to anyone but himself

62 NoSubmission  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:05:46pm

brushed it right off.

63 victory bound  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:05:48pm

Hold on tight, white Grandma. You are next!

64 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:05:50pm

re: #41 zombie

I can hear Pete Townsend in the background. Very funny!

65 Charles  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:05:55pm

Can't I just finish my church service?

66 _RememberTonyC  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:05:56pm

I think he should join Frank Church

67 Luigi  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:06:02pm

He wishes he could stay but the media has been harassing the sick people in Trinity. The choice is clear.

68 mikeinmd  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:06:03pm

Great judgement. Only discussed leaving AFTER Trinity went Nat'l, cuz before that, it was all good.

69 debutaunt  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:06:04pm

re: #58 NoSubmission

he's always playing the victim.

70 jamgarr  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:06:12pm

re: #31 DistantThunder

He seems depressed.

Agreed.

71 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:06:26pm

Little pad added to his shoulders?

72 Charles  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:06:26pm

Oh, that's it. Issue over! Let's move on now, people.

73 HelloDare  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:06:33pm

Trinity will be having a Waffle Breakfast tomorrow.

74 debutaunt  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:06:34pm

re: #65 Charles

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAA

75 hermeneutics  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:06:35pm

re: #57 mama winger

No, but the name is strangely familiar. I'll look him up.

76 autoexec  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:06:37pm

I'm officially returning my Klan card.

Can i run for President now?

77 sattv4u2  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:06:44pm

oooo ,,,, he's going to open it up for questions,,,,

Braids in the front row,,

"If you were a tree ,,,,,, "

78 NoSubmission  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:06:47pm

Can't wait for the softball press questions.

79 mikeinmd  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:06:51pm

Bob and weave, repeat.

80 Carolyn  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:06:52pm

Quote:

Mr. Wright, who has long prided himself on criticizing the establishment, said he knew that he may not play well in Mr. Obama’s audition for the ultimate establishment job.

“If Barack gets past the primary, he might have to publicly distance himself from me,” Mr. Wright said with a shrug. “I said it to Barack personally, and he said yeah, that might have to happen.”

81 tradewind  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:06:55pm

Wow... he is really self-obsessed and weak here in this speech,
and he is blaming the media for the whole thing.
Really not an intelligent move.
Obama is actually exhibiting foot-in-mouth disease. So much for the orator-in-chief.......

82 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:06:57pm

He's going to take questions. This should be interesting.

83 Manster  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:06:59pm

Racist church? What racist church?

/Obama Nation

84 Luigi  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:06:59pm

He seems to have a blank flag on his lapel. I think that's smart.

85 pingjockey  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:07:07pm

The Church of Whats Happenin' Now!

86 JammieWearingFool  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:07:07pm

Uh, I think I, uh, counted 97 uhs during those three minutes.

The Wizard of Uhhhs.

87 jetpilot1101  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:07:09pm

The Dem convention should be a hoot!

88 trailortrash  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:07:18pm

i cant believe they are going to be so blatant about denying florida and mich voters will.
hope that bites them in the ass come the general

89 mama winger  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:07:18pm

re: #71 unrealizedviewpoint

Little pad added to his shoulders?

Looks like it, doesn't it?

90 Sharmuta  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:07:23pm

So he didn't leave because the church was a problem, he left because the press was a problem.

91 mikeinmd  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:07:24pm

re: #78 NoSubmission

Can't wait for the softball press questions.

The Audacity of Questions.

92 DistantThunder  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:07:27pm

He'll be back

93 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:07:29pm

Still no coverage on CNN tv? Heh.

94 Sizzlack  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:07:29pm

I bet he really wants a smoke right now

95 MarkX  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:07:33pm

re: #82 Killgore Trout

He's going to take questions. This should be interesting.

Want to bet?

Get ready for softballs.

96 hermeneutics  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:07:47pm

re: #57 mama winger

Email me, Mama. Jeez, I'm giving out my address twice in a week!

97 sngnsgt  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:07:50pm

I did NOT have church with that man, Rev Wright.

98 Tarkus289  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:07:53pm

What a tool.

99 Yankee Division Son  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:07:57pm

Neither MSNBC or CNN are covering the speech here, FOX has it on. MSNBC is doing some drama/crime show, not even news.

Like I said, someone has to drive the getaway bus ya know...

/Obama's busy throwing stuff under it

100 sattv4u2  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:07:58pm

"how the democrats are going to improve their lives"

How about STAYING THE F*** OUT OF MINE

101 Charles  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:07:58pm

Question: do you feel this will put the issue behind you?


Well, uh uh uh, uh, you know...

102 red speck  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:08:01pm

Obama's chickensssssssss, are coming home to roosssssssssssst

103 Bobblehead  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:08:03pm

re: #81 tradewind

Wow... he is really self-obsessed and weak here in this speech,
and he is blaming the media for the whole thing.
Really not an intelligent move.
Obama is actually exhibiting foot-in-mouth disease. So much for the orator-in-chief.......

Biting the hand that feeds him?

104 debutaunt  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:08:08pm

UH UH WELL ummm uh

105 jamgarr  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:08:09pm

Karnak

106 mama winger  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:08:10pm

"We prayed on it"

give me a break

107 jetprop  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:08:22pm

With that whistle B.O. has when he speaks...

I'd like to see him recite his rendition of "Sally sells sea shells by the sea shore"

108 MarkX  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:08:34pm

re: #101 Charles

Uh X 4

drink
drink
drink
drink

109 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:08:35pm
let them get back to worshiping God

/funny they didn't do that in any of the sermons I heard

110 jcm  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:08:42pm

re: #87 jetpilot1101

The Dem convention should be a hoot!

HRC should ask that Rev. Wright give the opening prayer.

111 mama winger  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:08:47pm

re: #96 hermeneutics

Gotcha! It may take a bit. Email has been funny.

112 mikeinmd  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:08:59pm

My imagination or is he leaning quite a bit, Body Tilt.

113 HelloDare  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:09:04pm

Damn, my feed is delayed.

114 jetpilot1101  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:09:07pm

This doesn't matter. He needed to do this years ago. Everytime that poor excuse for a church pulls another "wright" out on stage, it's going to get airtime.

Sorry Barry, you blew it.

115 The Other Les  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:09:07pm

re: #21 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What kind of tread does Obama's bus' tires have?

At this point he would have to use this:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

116 Sizzlack  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:09:13pm

Wait did he just say hes leaving the church because he doesnt want a spotlight on Trinity church? Ahhwhaa?

117 trailortrash  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:09:15pm

omg he just admitted the church cant handle teh scrutiny hahahaha

118 DistantThunder  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:09:17pm

He had to pray about it - when it seems like an obvious, rational choice to leave - actually run


We don't want to have to answer for everything stated in the church - also don't want the church under scrutiny - heh.

119 mama winger  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:09:19pm

Rev Moss is an agitator and should not be subject to scrutiny

120 JammieWearingFool  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:09:21pm

So the slobbering media who gave him a free pass was harassing infirmed people?

Uh, where's the evidence?

121 Logic  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:09:22pm

"I HOPE they CHANGE the subject now." - BHO

122 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:09:28pm

re: #86 JammieWearingFool

Been in "Toastmasters"?

123 debutaunt  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:09:29pm

problemattica.

124 zombie  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:09:32pm

re: #94 Sizzlack

I bet he really wants a smoke right now

If Obama ever breezes through the Bay Area again harvesting Billionaire Bucks, this time I'm hovering outside every single venue he goes to in an attempt to catch pictures of him smoking.

He's got a nicotine jag -- just like Christopher Hitchens did when I saw him.

125 DistantThunder  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:09:32pm

re: #97 sngnsgt

I did NOT have church with that man, Rev Wright.

lol

126 sngnsgt  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:09:32pm

Game over, now can I just eat my words?

127 USBeast  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:09:34pm

Why am I thinking about that scene from "The Jerk": "He shouldn't be too hard to find. He'll be towing a small church."?

128 Cap'n DOC  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:09:42pm

re: #94 Sizzlack

One big GroupHookah comin' up!

129 guzziguy  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:09:44pm

re: #49 NoSubmission

just let them hate in peace.

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner! I can hear it now. "I do not support what those people now believe. I never have. We grew apart."

In my opinion this is simply a strategy move. They are now free to be as crazy as they want. It's not his church.

His apologists will cry foul in every way possible if ANYONE ever mentions the church again. Never mind that he was a member for 22 years.

130 Sharmuta  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:09:45pm

Awww- the Audacity of Campaigning....made him leave his church.

131 Muadib  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:09:51pm

Total bullshit. He can throw that so called church out of his life, but the radical socialist program is still in his heart. I hear nothing but political expediency.

132 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:09:52pm

Why is no one else's church under scrutiny?

133 Charles  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:09:53pm

He's really stuttering now.

It's the right thing to do.

134 Ornery Ballsack  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:09:54pm

We don't want this church scrutinized.

/heh, I bet you don't.

135 mean Gene  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:10:04pm

You know, Obama, if the church had stuck with Scriptural sermons it would never have been an issue at all.

136 mama winger  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:10:05pm

"How will this not be different if you join another church?"

hahahahahaha

137 The Other Les  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:10:06pm

re: #36 Charles

Whining about the news coverage again.

Hot house flower child!

138 EC Marm  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:10:12pm

He's doing it "for the church"

139 debutaunt  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:10:16pm

He stutters like a fiend.

140 tradewind  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:10:18pm

The 'fury of a cable program'?
He's really off the deep end now.

141 Luigi  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:10:19pm

I'm gonna become an Episcopalian...

142 HelloDare  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:10:20pm

So if he wasn't running for president, he'd still belong to the church? And when he is not running he's going to rejoin the church? I hope they nail him on that..

143 astronmr20  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:10:22pm

So he's doing this for the church? ?

144 Purple Prose  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:10:22pm

I could no more disown this church than I could disown my own white grandmother who let me eat my waffles and served me arugula...

Oh, wait, I will disown this church now, because it is politically expedient to do so, but I still support unconditional talks with any member of the church...

145 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:10:27pm
146 Wetfun  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:10:32pm

Too Late

147 DesertSage  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:10:36pm

It's kinda sad to see him bumble through these questions.

This guy is such a lightweight it's pitiful.

148 jetpilot1101  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:10:37pm

The media doesn't give a crap about the delegates, they only want to hear about his new church.

Maybe it's the Nation of Islam.

149 NoSubmission  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:10:38pm

he has a halting condescending quality to his voice.

150 MarkX  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:10:39pm

re: #132 Killgore Trout

Probably because they preach the Bible.

How novel.

151 Dolphin  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:10:40pm

Can you imagine listening to an hour and a half of a State of the Union Address with this guy? Uh, uh, uh, uh...

152 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:10:44pm

re: #115 The Other Les
I was thinkin' "Gravedigger". Your's is much, much better.

153 JammieWearingFool  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:10:46pm

No coverage from Obama TV at PMSNBC?

But the evil Fox is covering it?

154 jamgarr  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:10:50pm

Pre-emptive future church under-.bus throwing

155 obscured by clouds  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:10:53pm

Political calculation, anyone? I'll take Obama seriously as a non-race baiting, America-loathing, presidential candidate when he gets a divorce, not when he leaves his "church." He will, however, still be naieve, clueless, and devoid of any knowledge of relevant American/world history even if he throws Michelle under the bus.

This guy is non-starter all the way around, imo.

156 hermeneutics  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:10:58pm

Question: Recently you told America that you could no more divorce himself of Wright or Trinity Church than you could leave your own family. You strike me as a family man. What changed?

157 zombie  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:11:11pm

re: #138 EC Marm

He's doing it "for the church"

Just like Sen. Byrd quit the KKK -- to save the KKK any embarrassment of being associated with him.

158 trailortrash  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:11:14pm

he cant possibly believe that at all churches preachers say such stuff as was being said in that church, "from time to time"

159 sattv4u2  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:11:14pm

BULLSHIT ,, it's VERY infrequent (read NEVER) that my pastor demeans gays or lesbians, blacks or whites, etc etc

160 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:11:17pm
161 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:11:20pm

Uh.... uh, uh...mmmmmm, ah, ummm...eeeer, uhhhhh....

162 The Other Les  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:11:22pm

re: #64 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I can hear Pete Townsend in the background. Very funny!

He can't explain?

163 jetprop  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:11:27pm

Hope..change..progress..

::chants in dull monotone::

164 JammieWearingFool  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:11:28pm

re: #133 Charles

He's really stuttering now.

It's the right thing to do.

Uh, stop being so mean!

165 DistantThunder  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:11:31pm

Things, a pastors says you don't agree with....

In my case, he scheduled the church picnic on a day that was not good for me - nothing racist, nothing socially toxic or I would stand up - and walk out mid sermon.

166 Racer X  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:11:32pm

Dammit!

Will you white people stop asking so many questions!

167 astronmr20  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:11:38pm

Someone must MUST ask,

"would you still be a member if you were not running for president?"

168 MarkX  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:11:45pm

What a moron.

Hey, Obama, go to a church that worships GOD & preaches the Bible.

Problem solved.

169 Charles  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:11:55pm

He didn't walk out for "God Damn America," but he draws the line at gay-bashing.

170 _RememberTonyC  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:12:00pm

he is an amateur ... and the real heat hasn't even been turned on yet! in other news, cindy mccain was spotted measuring the windows at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave for new drapes

171 zombie  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:12:04pm

re: #156 hermeneutics

Question: Recently you told America that you could no more divorce himself of Wright or Trinity Church than you could leave your own family. You strike me as a family man. What changed?

Ding ding ding!

Why does no one call him on that?

172 jetpilot1101  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:12:07pm

Wow, a lot of "interesting questions" tonight!

173 BrianA  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:12:09pm

My guess is that they'll blame the white guy (Pfleger).

174 itellu3times  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:12:10pm

Will Trinity issue a fatwah against him?

175 debutaunt  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:12:14pm

Worshipping style!

176 mean Gene  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:12:18pm

re: #169 Charles

He didn't walk out for "God Damn America," but he draws the line at gay-bashing.

Well, he can't be Muslim.

177 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:12:23pm

re: #151 Dolphin

Can you imagine listening to an hour and a half of a State of the Union Address with this guy? Uh, uh, uh, uh...

Can you imagine saying the words:
President Obama?

178 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:12:24pm

I'd love to sample all of Obama's "uh"s and Um's into a rap song.

179 DesertSage  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:12:26pm

re: #166 Racer X

Dammit!

Will you white people stop asking so many questions!

...and just let me eat my waffle!

180 Sizzlack  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:12:30pm

So he more or less just said its fine to be a member of a radical church as a Senator, but not as President.

Um...huh?

181 astronmr20  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:12:33pm

"will you join another black church?"

What the HELL question was that? ? ? ?

182 NoSubmission  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:12:42pm

lots of gaps....

183 HelloDare  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:12:42pm

He is digging quite the hole for himself.

184 jamgarr  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:12:51pm

He actually admitted that political correctness might effect the racial make-up of his new church! What an idiot!

185 DistantThunder  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:13:03pm

So Mr. Obama how would you deal with a decision like Truman to drop a bomb on 100,000 civilians if it would save the same number of Americans?

"Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......."

186 Charles  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:13:05pm

Imagine the legions of campaign drones out there frantically checking out the backgrounds of Obama's potential new churches...

187 jetpilot1101  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:13:05pm

I've been drinking at every ah and I'm friggin' hammered!

188 richiep  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:13:09pm

I don't understand? Obama hangs with racists, hangs with terrorists, is anti-American, is a Socialist, is anti-Israel, is anti-military, is anti-capitalist. Why is he even running as a Presidential candidate for a major party? Maybe the Socialist Workers of the World or the Communist party. But as a Democratic party candidate!

Only in America.

189 MarkX  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:13:13pm

Okay, uh about 500 times so far. Must be a record.

190 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:13:14pm
191 trailortrash  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:13:24pm

/takes off hip waders puts on wet suit

192 HelloDare  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:13:26pm

He reminds me of a Hollywood actor with no script.

193 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:13:27pm
194 NoSubmission  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:13:32pm

uh...

drink!

195 uptight  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:13:33pm

What can we get him to do next?
I know - he should renounce the violent and racist city of Chicago.

196 Ornery Ballsack  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:13:40pm

It's hard to understand how this church was helpful to me.

/heh

197 tradewind  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:13:44pm

Oh No He Di-Unt!
Now he's stepped in it.... he's trying to explain why the black church is a problem.....
Well, not a problem, just culturally different...
No, that's not what he meant......

198 Sharmuta  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:13:46pm

I think there's an "uh" gap, Senator.

199 NoSubmission  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:13:48pm

stuttering idiot

200 Racer X  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:13:55pm

re: #190 song_and_dance_man

Only till a White dude said something controversial at his old chutch did it become intolerable.

I blame whitey too.

201 The Shadow Do  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:14:05pm

So the problem with his church is a matter of "style"?

OK, that's it. Now I get it.

202 mikeymom  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:14:06pm

re: #75 hermeneutics

i tried to e-mail--screwed it up--try me- i'll blue it

203 Charles  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:14:12pm

Come to the.. come to... come to the... come to the....

I reject that uh, notion.

204 Sizzlack  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:14:17pm

Ooooh hes getting testy.

205 _RememberTonyC  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:14:19pm

he's offended by the suggestion of truth

206 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:14:21pm

oooh, he's offended.

207 DesertSage  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:14:31pm

He's offended.

208 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:14:34pm

He's offended by the suggestion!

209 NoSubmission  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:14:36pm

re: #199 NoSubmission

stuttering idiot

[Link: www.pentdego.com...]

210 jetpilot1101  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:14:41pm

...but you did join the church for political clout.

Come on Barry, you lie like a rug.

211 JammieWearingFool  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:14:48pm

Uh, if Trinity did so much good to help the homeless and the Wizard of Uhhhs was a community organizer, why are there still any homeless in Chicago?

Uh, can someone explain this?

212 Tarkus289  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:14:49pm

He is offensive.

213 ishabibble  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:14:50pm

re: #67 Luigi

He wishes he could stay but the media has been harassing the sick people in Trinity. The choice is clear.

Yeah, that's the ticket....shut-ins!

214 The Other Les  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:14:51pm

re: #132 Killgore Trout

Why is no one else's church under scrutiny?

No one else's church was toxic. (Except the People's Temple.)

215 mean Gene  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:14:57pm

"He tried to make it work."
What a dork!

216 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:14:57pm
217 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:15:02pm

Truth offends!

218 MarkX  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:15:03pm

Liar!

219 HelloDare  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:15:08pm

He admitted in his own book that the church helped him with his "organizing".

220 bbuddha  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:15:17pm

it is interesting how he originally phrased it, can't belong to that church so long as He's running for president. Of course he wasn't called on it. The man really can't speak without a written speech in front of him. If the media wasn't carrying serious water for this guy he'd have been out of the picture long long long ago

221 tradewind  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:15:23pm

Truth is, the last straw wasn't Wright or Pflgler.
It was those damning shots of the cheering congregation, high-fiving on their feet at every slam.

222 Tarkus289  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:15:23pm

Deeply personal, my ass

223 _RememberTonyC  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:15:24pm

the senator (emperor?) has no clothes

224 NoSubmission  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:15:32pm

church, schmurch. he'd better get right with God.

225 Manster  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:15:38pm

His microphone is shaking like an Iranian space shuttle.

226 MarkX  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:15:47pm

No decision until January.

227 Tarkus289  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:15:47pm

re: #223 _RememberTonyC

He never did.

228 mikeinmd  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:15:47pm

"There's lots of big churches on the South Side of Chicago"

But somehow he found Trinity. The other ones must've been doozies.

LOL

229 zombie  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:15:51pm

re: #178 Killgore Trout

I'd love to sample all of Obama's "uh"s and Um's into a rap song.

Ever see that clip of Aya Matsuura saying "Hai" 157 times in a row to an interviewer? Hilarious. Edited perfectly. They should definitely do that for Obama.

(Aya Matsuura is a Japanese pop idol, for the uninitiated.)

230 jamgarr  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:15:54pm

Won't decide on new church until January! Again, stupid!

231 JammieWearingFool  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:16:04pm

Uh, no wonder MSNBC and CNN aren't showing this.

232 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:16:06pm
It's a personal not a political decision.

/right

233 trailortrash  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:16:10pm

old hill knew what she was doing holding out as long as she has.
there is a bus out there with bho's name on it and if he trashes his old church much more its members are gonna throw him under it.

234 ciaospirit  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:16:12pm

re: #6 Carolyn

I am not fooled by this late awakening.

Me, neither. I also think that this is a show by both sides. Obama had thrown Wright under the bus long before Catholic guy spoke at Trinity and the church goers didn't sound one bit angry when Catholic guy mentioned Obama. On the contrary, they cheered wildly. They continued to be in full support of Barack Hussein.

235 MarkX  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:16:15pm

WHAT. A. MORON.

236 sattv4u2  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:16:16pm

I want to take Michelle and my girls, sit in a pew quietly, EAT MY WAFFLE,,

237 USBeast  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:16:17pm

"Not a political exercise..."!?

LIAR.

238 EC Marm  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:16:23pm

No firm decision on new church until after the election.
Hehehe.
November surprise!
Islam.

239 mama winger  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:16:24pm

See - he is saying that he will not really settle on a church till after the election.

Mark my words, after the election he will rediscover his muslim roots and THIS will be the 'church' he chooses.

240 jetpilot1101  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:16:29pm

Grab some waffles and eat them!

241 Sharmuta  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:16:31pm

The Audacity of Campaigning!

242 _RememberTonyC  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:16:31pm

waffles for brunch?

243 Sizzlack  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:16:34pm

He wants to sit quietly in church? All the videos I have seen of Trinity the people are screaming and jumping and waving towels

244 mean Gene  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:16:36pm

Meltdown!
Did you hear what he's NOW looking for in a new church?

245 The Other Les  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:16:40pm

re: #157 zombie

Just like Sen. Byrd quit the KKK -- to save the KKK any embarrassment of being associated with him.

LOL!

246 HelloDare  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:16:50pm

Church of Gaia. He should look into that. It's like the Church of Gore without Gore.

247 Dolphin  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:16:51pm

Waffles for Brunch!

248 Racer X  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:16:57pm

re: #230 jamgarr

Won't decide on new church until January! Again, stupid!

Oh that is classic.

Hey look - it's Britney with no hair!

249 jetpilot1101  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:17:03pm

He didn't see this coming are you f'in kidding me?

250 NoSubmission  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:17:20pm

the audacity of 'uh'.

251 jcm  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:17:24pm

I'll bet their a doing a dance in HRC HQ right now.
All the more reason to stay in.
BHO is going flame out any moment.

252 MarkX  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:17:28pm

Its all about politics!


Can someone count the lies in the last 5 minutes?

253 JammieWearingFool  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:17:29pm

He said earlier "other family members" belonged to Trinity.

Uh, who are they?

254 Charles  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:17:32pm

What's that pin on his lapel, anyway? Is it a flag? It's hard to tell.

255 HelloDare  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:17:33pm

Did he prioritize that list?

256 USA  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:17:33pm

Didn't see it coming?

257 zombie  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:17:34pm

I'm reading this whole thread without benefit of actually seeing what's being discussed.

How weird is that?

Your reactions are more important that what he's actually saying.

258 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:17:38pm

Victocrat!

259 richiep  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:17:41pm

That nasal snort laugh was different.

260 USBeast  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:17:47pm

"...didn't see coming..."!?

MORON!

261 debutaunt  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:17:47pm

His "fairly" conventional faith - hahahahahahahahahhaaa

262 mama winger  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:17:52pm

Take issues of faith more seriously.

Join islam.

263 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:18:00pm

re: #249 jetpilot1101

I really think he believes that. It's normal to him. He only objected when people started pointing it out.

264 LeftJustAintRight  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:18:02pm

If by a very small chance he does not win the White House will they take him back ?
The sheep really believe he is not racist just cause he says he is not
In my life actions have always been louder than words spoken

265 Ornery Ballsack  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:18:07pm

"My fairly conventional Christian faith", tell it to James Cone

266 MarkX  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:18:17pm

re: #249 jetpilot1101

He didn't see this coming are you f'in kidding me?

If that is true, he is a bigger moron than I previously thought.

267 jetpilot1101  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:18:17pm

It's not a flag.

268 Sharmuta  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:18:18pm

re: #254 Charles

I think it just might be.

269 jelo  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:18:18pm

keep the questions coming as there are lots of good sound bites here for later use!

270 The Shadow Do  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:18:19pm

"My fairly traditional faith" being questioned. "I did not see this one coming".

Dope.

271 tokyobk  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:18:19pm

Obama left the church for the same reason he joined it for the same reason he and Hillary do everything; politics, though he does it with a bunch more elan and in my opinion a drop more sincerity.

McCain is flawed but he remains the only one with presidential qualities, or at least the ones we want because Obama does have some Kennedy and Clinton narcissistic entitlement and Carter politics.

I have been as some may know a non-anti Obama but he is getting on even my nerves.

272 mama winger  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:18:22pm

re: #254 Charles

What's that pin on his lapel, anyway? Is it a flag? It's hard to tell.

I think it's a blank flag. As in "fill in the _____"

273 hermeneutics  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:18:22pm

Oh no ... no sound.

274 HelloDare  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:18:24pm

Conventional Christian Faith. Yeah, right.

275 Charles  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:18:26pm

Whoa.

The stuttering is really bad tonight.

276 EC Marm  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:18:31pm

I really can't believe that anyone listening to this stuttering nonsense can believe he is Presidential material.

277 tradewind  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:18:48pm

re: #244 mean Gene

Okay, so he's gonna be an Episcopalian.
:)
Just don't come down here to my parish, Obama..

278 MarkX  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:18:52pm

re: #272 mama winger

I think it's a blank flag. As in "fill in the _____"

UN ?

279 mikeymom  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:18:52pm

stturing stammering fool!

280 Tarkus289  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:18:52pm

Now he knows how George Bush feels everytime he gives a press conference.

281 USA  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:18:54pm

Flag of the 57 states?

282 Racer X  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:18:55pm

Obama is a rookie politician who speaks well only when given a script.

ROOKIE!

283 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:18:56pm
284 JammieWearingFool  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:18:59pm

re: #254 Charles

What's that pin on his lapel, anyway? Is it a flag? It's hard to tell.

Uh, I think it says Change.

It's as small as his credibility right now.

285 Cap'n DOC  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:18:59pm

re: #254 Charles

I'm not even watching Charles, and I can tell you it's WHITE.

286 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:19:11pm

re: #254 Charles

What's that pin on his lapel, anyway? Is it a flag? Its hard to tell.

He really doesn't want to wear a flag. But there should be something with red, white and blue in it there.

287 jetpilot1101  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:19:17pm

re: #276 EC Marm

I really can't believe that anyone listening to this stuttering nonsense can believe he is Presidential material.

The Kos Kiddies do.

288 Bobblehead  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:19:19pm

re: #257 zombie

I'm reading this whole thread without benefit of actually seeing what's being discussed.

How weird is that?

Your reactions are more important that what he's actually saying.

I find these live blogging threads ever so entertaining. Much more interesting that the actual event.

289 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:19:39pm
religious test

/DRINK!

290 debutaunt  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:19:41pm

Uhdacity

291 autoexec  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:19:50pm

re: #156 hermeneutics

Question: Recently you told America that you could no more divorce himself of Wright or Trinity Church than you could leave your own family. You strike me as a family man. What changed?

re: #283 song_and_dance_man

It's a Typical White Flag.

Superb one liner here!

292 pingjockey  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:19:51pm

re: #254 Charles
Not a flag, too rectangular.

293 NoSubmission  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:19:55pm

re: #276 EC Marm

I really can't believe that anyone listening to this stuttering nonsense can believe he is Presidential material.

I'm embarrassed for him and at once duly pissed off that he thinks Americans are stupid enough to buy into his fairy tales.

294 threecoloursblue  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:19:55pm

Why do people keep saying " CNN aren't showing this " ?

It's all over CNN International. Also France 24, Al Jazz. SKy

295 HelloDare  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:19:57pm

My kingdom for a teleprompter.

296 mama winger  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:20:07pm

This man is a dolt.

Who is pulling the strings on this puppet?

297 CIA Reject  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:20:11pm

If the lefties could throw Oreos at Michael Steele can we throw these at BO?

298 astronmr20  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:20:13pm

What the hell question was that?


Only one question needs to be asked:

"..so would you still be a member if you were not running for president?"

299 USBeast  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:20:19pm

"...not going through a religious test..."

IQ test?
Integrity test?

300 JammieWearingFool  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:20:20pm

Uh, I've got to go have another cocktail.

301 Luigi  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:20:21pm

Get a different suit. He's shrinking.

302 Sharmuta  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:20:21pm

His faith is not contingent on his church? Wow.

303 Tarkus289  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:20:24pm

His pin is blank, just like his soul.

304 Ma Sands  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:20:31pm

re: #296 mama winger

YOU know......don't you?

305 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:20:41pm
306 sngnsgt  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:20:45pm

Sounds like he's doing a Porky the Pig impression.

307 DesertSage  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:20:45pm

Barack- Do the right thing Hillary!

308 The Other Les  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:20:45pm

re: #254 Charles

What's that pin on his lapel, anyway? Is it a flag? It's hard to tell.

A Koran?

309 jetpilot1101  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:20:45pm

His ship is sinking fast or in the jargon of my profession, he is having a compound emergency of epic proportions.

I predict engine flameout in no time.

310 jcm  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:20:51pm

re: #254 Charles

What's that pin on his lapel, anyway? Is it a flag? It's hard to tell.

The 57 States Flag?

311 trailortrash  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:20:52pm

? the timing LOL

312 nacazo  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:20:53pm

Now Obama is free to join a congregation more of his liking like the Masjid Al-Taqwa mosque.

313 MarkX  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:20:54pm

re: #257 zombie

I'm reading this whole thread without benefit of actually seeing what's being discussed.

How weird is that?

Your reactions are more important that what he's actually saying.

No surprises. You probably can make it up yourself.

314 gmsc  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:20:55pm

re: #299 USBeast

"...not going through a religious test..."

IQ test?
Integrity test?

Geography and history test?

315 LeftJustAintRight  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:20:56pm

re: #244 mean Gene

Meltdown!
Did you hear what he's NOW looking for in a new church?


I heard he was converting to Judaism
A Muslim Jew
Dinner Jacket will not like that

316 Racer X  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:20:57pm

re: #296 mama winger

This man is a dolt.

Who is pulling the strings on this puppet?

Soros?

317 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:21:00pm

re: #292 pingjockey

Not a flag, too rectangular.

seems to have all the colors though - red white blue

318 EC Marm  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:21:01pm

re: #294 threecoloursblue

Why do people keep saying " CNN aren't showing this " ?

It's all over CNN International. Also France 24, Al Jazz. SKy


Not in the United States. Hard to believe?

319 NoSubmission  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:21:01pm

personal.

320 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:21:08pm

re: #294 threecoloursblue

Domestic CNN isn't covering it here in the states. Only on their webpage. We don't get CNN international here.

321 mama winger  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:21:20pm

re: #304 Ma Sands

YOU know......don't you?

I'm afraid I've known for some time. I hate knowing.

322 mikeinmd  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:21:31pm

re: #295 HelloDare

My kingdom for a teleprompter.

hahahahaha.

323 jcm  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:21:32pm

re: #309 jetpilot1101

His ship is sinking fast or in the jargon of my profession, he is having a compound emergency of epic proportions.

I predict engine flameout in no time.

Behind the curve, waaaaay behind.

324 Tarkus289  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:21:33pm

He has answered more than eight questions, he needs a rest.

325 NoSubmission  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:21:34pm

I don't think he's spiritual at all. I think he is lost. Vacant.

326 sngnsgt  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:21:46pm

Can't I just eat my waffle?

327 Luigi  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:21:49pm

CNN is telling you have to save gas, Tire pressure. Should your window be up or down. They have the automotive editor of Consumer Reports.

328 The Other Les  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:21:50pm

re: #271 tokyobk

McCain comes across as being more real than the two donks.

329 astronmr20  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:21:51pm

"not making politics out of it..."

Then he immediately touched his ear.

330 vagabond trader  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:21:54pm

WT? Blaming the cable channels, the bitter white folks, the anti gay churches, everyone but himself and the hate merchants he's been listening to for two decades? What a lying POS!

331 NoSubmission  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:21:57pm

5 times a day?

332 USA  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:22:01pm

"I'll be honest with you..."

We all know what that means

333 The Shadow Do  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:22:06pm

"To be honest with you". In answer to a question.

This says immediately, I am not being honest with you.

334 Ma Sands  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:22:10pm

re: #325 NoSubmission

Understatement.

335 astronmr20  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:22:14pm

Another dumbass question.

336 mean Gene  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:22:15pm

re: #331 NoSubmission

5 times a day?

Heh!

337 trailortrash  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:22:24pm

i just switched to cnn and msnbc and sure enough they arent showing this.

338 tradewind  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:22:25pm

Body language alert!
He reached up and touched his ear.... rubbed it... in a self-comforting gesture when he said he really didn't want to publicize his decision and make it political.
That's a total lie alert....
Bubba does it all the time as well.

339 jetpilot1101  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:22:29pm

O'reilly is going to have a field day with this on Monday.

340 HelloDare  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:22:31pm

Hey. Barack. How's your letter to Bill Ayers coming?

341 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:22:32pm

Wrestles with doubts?
No kidding!

342 autoexec  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:22:33pm

WTH? Domestic CNN ain't covering but CNN International does?

It's beyond weird.

343 jetprop  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:22:34pm

He's so 'brave and courageous'
/MSM spin

344 bellamags  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:22:34pm

He is totally imploding.

No one wrote the speech for him.

345 republic  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:22:36pm

"Um.... Uh.... Ummmm, you know....Uhhhhh....Ummmmmm.Uhhhh.....Well you see......Uhhh...ummmmmm

Where did all of his "articulate" go?

Heh.

346 pingjockey  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:22:38pm

re: #309 jetpilot1101
Flame out if he's lucky, if not, a turbine blade right through the housing!

347 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:22:47pm
348 sattv4u2  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:22:49pm

re: #332 USA

re: #333 The Shadow Do

translation ,,, bend over and take it like I'm gonna give it to you

349 threecoloursblue  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:22:51pm

re: #318 EC Marm

re: #320 Killgore Trout

They mussint trust youse!

350 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:22:56pm

He's starting to stutter now too.

351 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:22:59pm

re: #309 jetpilot1101

His ship is sinking fast or in the jargon of my profession, he is having a compound emergency of epic proportions.

I predict engine flameout in no time.

Are you my brother? That would be so cool if he were posting here and I didn't know it!

352 LeftJustAintRight  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:23:03pm

re: #315 LeftJustAintRight

I heard he was converting to Judaism
A Muslim Jew
Dinner Jacket will not like that


A Muslim Jew Christian
Fixed it
Mo will roll over in his grave

353 Dolphin  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:23:06pm

re: #331 NoSubmission

5 times a day?

Exactly what I said out loud here!

354 HelloDare  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:23:11pm

Somebody ask him if he thinks Christ was black. I dare you.

355 jamgarr  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:23:14pm

Could he get more deadpan?!

356 Sharmuta  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:23:21pm

Barry- you're not doing the right thing, you're doing the expedient thing.

357 mean Gene  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:23:29pm

Has anyone heard him mention Jesus?
By name?
He says ''Christian'' like it is a vaccination.

358 NY Nana  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:23:31pm

re: #276 EC Marm

I really can't believe that anyone listening to this stuttering nonsense can believe he is Presidential material.

I am in shock, as I usually do not bother to listen to him.

Wow! Scary and very glib...and is an emty suit. Hubby went to the TV screen, and says it is a US flag pin, that is being insulted by Hussein wearing it.

'His faith' ad nauseum..he insults any religion by claiming that he has faith in anyone but himelf.

Closing down...

359 Muadib  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:23:35pm

re: #325 NoSubmission

I don't think he's spiritual at all. I think he is lost. Vacant.

It's sort of sad in a way.

360 Tarkus289  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:23:35pm

O'reilly has given this guy a pass every time, why would this time be different?

361 The Other Les  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:23:35pm

re: #330 vagabond trader

WT? Blaming the cable channels, the bitter white folks, the anti gay churches, everyone but himself and the hate merchants he's been listening to for two decades? What a lying POS!

Hot house flower child.

362 jetpilot1101  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:23:38pm

re: #346 pingjockey

Flame out if he's lucky, if not, a turbine blade right through the housing!

I believe he is entering high key for a PEL but I don't know if he'll make the runway.

363 Racer X  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:23:41pm

Hey Hillary voters - this is the man that the media is shoving down your throat.

Vote McCain.

364 Sharmuta  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:23:45pm

re: #350 Killgore Trout

He's starting to stutter now too.

And yet it's Bush who always gets teased for his speaking style.

365 MarkX  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:23:46pm

.... religious test?

Q. What is the chief end of man?
A. To glorify God and enjoy him forever!

Q. What rule hath God given to direct us how we may glorify and enjoy him?
A. The word of God contained in the Old and New Testaments is the only rule that is to direct us how we may enjoy him.

Obama, fail.

366 sattv4u2  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:23:48pm

re: #350 Killgore Trout

He's starting to stutter now too.

NOW?!?!?!? ,,,, he's been stuttering every time I've seen him without a teleprompter

367 mikeinmd  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:23:53pm

For the love of all that is holy someone please hit him in the back. He's choking.

368 mean Gene  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:23:58pm

re: #347 song_and_dance_man

He has yet to mention Christ in his description of what it means to be a Christian.

Same thought.

369 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:24:03pm

Can he string more than three words together without stuttering?

/uh, the new change

370 Dolphin  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:24:05pm

re: #347 song_and_dance_man

He has yet to mention Christ in his description of what it means to be a Christian.

Or Bible.

371 HelloDare  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:24:19pm

He is accepting bids from churches.

372 astronmr20  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:24:19pm

He is putting up with this and letting them rake him over the coals to get it over with.

Unfortunately, they are not turning up the heat.

373 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:24:20pm

re: #366 sattv4u2

I've never noticed that before.

374 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:24:21pm

re: #337 trailortrash

i just switched to cnn and msnbc and sure enough they arent showing this.

Obama's church?
Oh! He left that a lo..ng time ago.

375 republic  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:24:22pm

re: #281 USA

Flag of the 57 states?


57 with ummmm 1 to go.

376 USBeast  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:24:27pm

This is so sad.

What's really sad about it is that this tool is a serious contender for C in C.

God help us!

377 jetpilot1101  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:24:29pm

re: #351 goddessoftheclassroom

Are you my brother? That would be so cool if he were posting here and I didn't know it!


Do you live in Denver?

378 Bobblehead  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:24:30pm

re: #293 NoSubmission

re: #339 jetpilot1101

O'reilly is going to have a field day with this on Monday.

Wish I was off on Monday. I'd so love to hear Rush.

379 CIA Reject  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:24:30pm

re: #309 jetpilot1101

His ship is sinking fast or in the jargon of my profession, he is having a compound emergency of epic proportions.

I predict engine flameout in no time.

Sunshine is the best disinfectant- all the poisonous pus is draining out of him on national TV

380 gmsc  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:24:47pm

re: #375 republic

57 with ummmm 1 to go.

. . . and not including Alaska and Hawaii.

381 sngnsgt  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:24:52pm

re: #337 trailortrash

i just switched to cnn and msnbc and sure enough they arent showing this.

I DON"T HEAR YOU! Lalalalalala!

382 sattv4u2  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:25:00pm

re: #373 Killgore Trout

He did it in the debates after hsi prepared opening remarks.

383 sngnsgt  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:25:11pm

Pens 1!

384 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:25:12pm
385 vagabond trader  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:25:20pm

Getting a bit testy there, eh ?

386 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:25:22pm

He's getting testy.

387 bellamags  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:25:28pm

He can't handle it.

388 jetprop  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:25:28pm

re: #358 NY Nana

I am in shock, as I usually do not bother to listen to him.

Wow! Scary and very glib...and is an emty suit. Hubby went to the TV screen, and says it is a US flag pin, that is being insulted by Hussein wearing it.

'His faith' ad nauseum..he insults any religion by claiming that he has faith in anyone but himelf.

Closing down...


Good one!

389 mama winger  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:25:29pm

This is not political.

bwahahahahahaha

390 sattv4u2  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:25:32pm

re: #378 Bobblehead

re: #339 jetpilot1101


Wish I was off on Monday. I'd so love to hear Rush.

Laura Ingraham will be CLASSIC

391 republic  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:25:32pm

re: #347 song_and_dance_man

He has yet to mention Christ in his description of what it means to be a Christian.

That's because Christ has never been preached to him, anywhere, including that faux "church".

392 Manster  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:25:39pm

Jeez, somebody give the poor guy a Red Bull or a kick in the rear. He's putting himself to sleep with his own babble.

393 tradewind  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:25:41pm

re: #357 mean Gene

Yes, he did say at the start of the speech that Trinity is where he ' found Jesus'.
Hope it's not just another lie for him.

394 Timbre  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:25:43pm

I'm rather familiar with angry believers. I'll bet those Trinity folks "left behind" are going to be spewing some rather frothy venom for even more years as a result of this betrayal.

395 jetpilot1101  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:25:50pm

I think the vein in his forehead is starting to throb.

396 astronmr20  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:25:50pm

He smacked down the reporter chick.

397 pingjockey  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:25:53pm

re: #362 jetpilot1101
500yds short, high speed impact, large crater. Now he's getting pissed!

398 BlueCanuck  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:25:57pm

re: #309 jetpilot1101

His ship is sinking fast or in the jargon of my profession, he is having a compound emergency of epic proportions.

I predict engine flameout in no time.

No, the question now is how deep of a hole is he going to make when he thunders in.

399 Ornery Ballsack  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:25:58pm

He doesn't want his church to be a political circus? 20 years too late!

400 NoSubmission  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:26:04pm

He makes me angry.

401 HelloDare  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:26:07pm

Hillary is coming in second to this doofus. Must make her feel great. I don't understand how Bill can sleep with her. Ah...never mind...

402 mean Gene  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:26:10pm

If he didn't want his church to be a political circus he was in the wrong church all along.

403 gmsc  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:26:12pm

re: #337 trailortrash

i just switched to cnn and msnbc and sure enough they arent showing this.

They can't broadcast an Obama speech live. It's a terrible strain on the editor's wrists.

(Apologies to The Simpsons)

404 jamgarr  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:26:16pm

Hey, my rationale is at least plausible, isn't it?

405 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:26:17pm
406 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:26:21pm

Everyone -

Why is it that Sen. Obama HAS to throw his Church "Under the Bus" - AND I have NO SUCH NEED to do so to Temple Neve Shalom, where I did my Bar Mitzvah in 1964, Temple Sharei Tefiloh, that my father went to, or Temple Poile Zedek, where his older brother went or Temple Beth Miriam, where Simi drags my butt occasionally. Bet the same applies to all 'y'all with your Churches, Temples, Ashrams, and yes, perhaps - Masjids as well.
Inquiring Minds would LOVE to know.

-S-

407 astronmr20  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:26:25pm

Because most people's churches would not be an issue.

408 The Shadow Do  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:26:29pm

Will anyone ever ask the big one? Why have you associated yourself and your family with raving racists for the last twenty or so years?

409 NoSubmission  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:26:32pm

its not a church worthy of denouncing?

410 mama winger  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:26:33pm

I'm not denouncing the church - it's not worthy of denouncing.

- BO

411 MarkX  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:26:34pm

Not denouncing the church.


?

412 Tarkus289  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:26:39pm

Whoa, was that a mistake?

413 LeftJustAintRight  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:26:45pm

Could this be Obama Hussein's Howard Dean moment?
Nahhh

414 BBev  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:26:51pm

re: #257 zombie

Me too

415 jetpilot1101  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:26:54pm

re: #398 BlueCanuck

No, the question now is how deep of a hole is he going to make when he thunders in.

I also sense an approach turn stall which should lead to a rather large "smoking hole".

416 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:26:59pm

Did you hear that:

It's not a church worthy of denouncing.

417 sattv4u2  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:27:02pm

"It's not a Church WORTHY of denouncing"

He sat there for 20 YEARS in a Church NOT WORTHY !?!?!?!

WTF ! !

418 NoSubmission  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:27:04pm

so where's he been worshipping then?

419 astronmr20  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:27:06pm

I'm not denouncing the church. It's not a church worthy of denouncing.

420 MarkX  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:27:07pm

re: #410 mama winger

I'm not denouncing the church - it's not worthy of denouncing.

- BO

Double speak. He denounced it at the beginning. If not, why leave?

421 republic  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:27:08pm

re: #380 gmsc

. . . and not including Alaska and Hawaii.

That is correct.

This is what happens when they stopped teaching American history in the public school system years ago.

422 tradewind  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:27:11pm

Lost ball in high weeds.....
now he's defending Trinity again.
But admits he hadn't visited it in ' months'.

423 obscured by clouds  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:27:13pm

This guy's skin is so thin I can see his nasal cavity. Imagine an Obama after 8 years of what Bush has been through. I think he's spontaneously human combust.

424 joecitizen  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:27:27pm

Let's Go Penguins! (sorry ot)

425 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:27:36pm

re: #365 MarkX

.... religious test?

Q. What is the chief end of man?
A. To glorify God and enjoy him forever!

Q. What rule hath God given to direct us how we may glorify and enjoy him?
A. The word of God contained in the Old and New Testaments is the only rule that is to direct us how we may enjoy him.

Obama, fail.

I'm Episcopalian, so I'm more familiar with the Book of Common Prayer, but there are lots of similarities.

There's always the Nicene Creed...

426 Sharmuta  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:27:37pm

Waaaa! The press made him leave the church! Waaaaaaa!

427 Dolphin  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:27:39pm

re: #378 Bobblehead

re: #339 jetpilot1101


Wish I was off on Monday. I'd so love to hear Rush.

You can listen here on line..

[Link: www.ktrh.com...]

11:00 am Central time.

428 vagabond trader  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:27:41pm

Not a church worthy of denouncing? Who were those folks hooting and clapping while your spiritual advisors were mocking whitey?

429 EC Marm  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:27:51pm

re: #410 mama winger

I'm not denouncing the church - it's not worthy of denouncing.

- BO


I thought my ears were playing games with me.

430 Tarkus289  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:27:53pm

Personally, I wish he would stay in his church, and leave politics.

431 mean Gene  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:27:54pm

re: #393 tradewind

Yes, he did say at the start of the speech that Trinity is where he ' found Jesus'.
Hope it's not just another lie for him.

Ah.
I was changing the cat box.
But he only found someone passing himself off as Jesus in that place.
The only thing the real Christ would do at Trinity is throw out the hypocrites.

432 jelo  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:27:54pm

re: #387 bellamags

He can't handle it.

he can't handle the truth!

433 Cicero05  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:27:57pm

Hey Hillary

This is the guy that kicked your ass!

434 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:27:57pm
not a church worthy of denouncing

/really?

435 astronmr20  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:27:58pm

"hold on a minute sweetie."

436 sattv4u2  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:28:00pm

Somewhere right now, Hillary is YELLING at a TV set saying

"WHY DIDN"T THIS HAPPEN 6 WEEKS AGO!"

437 trailortrash  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:28:05pm

whats that bus i see pulling up say on the side?
o i c now BHO hop on under

438 NoSubmission  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:28:05pm

church is not about God?

439 NY Nana  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:28:08pm

re: #400 NoSubmission

He makes me angry.

Same here...it is just incredible. His words are so light weight that they disappear into space...to be forgotten in a nano-second.

440 jamgarr  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:28:14pm

I wouldn't be in trouble if nobody found out what my church is/was like.

/that's what he said

441 karmic_inquisitor  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:28:21pm

Hey

He can start a new Church. Built around him.

Complete with smug moralist practitioners telling everyone how to live while not living by the same rules.

They can call the Church "The Democratic Party".

442 NoSubmission  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:28:36pm

church is about injustice?

443 The Shadow Do  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:28:39pm

Somebody better toss this guy a waffle, and quick! He seems to be get a tad testy?

444 astronmr20  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:28:40pm

re: #440 jamgarr

I wouldn't be in trouble if nobody found out what my church is/was like.

/that's what he said

Exactly.

445 USA  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:28:41pm

So why exactly is he leaving his Church?

446 mama winger  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:28:49pm

He can join the Church of Oprah.

447 Nevergiveup  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:28:52pm

"If Rev Wright's word hadn't surfaced"
You mean if you hadn't got caught being a hypocrite? If you hadn't got caught being a bigot?

448 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:28:53pm

re: #433 Cicero05

Hey Hillary

This is the guy that kicked your ass!

hahahahahaha

449 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:28:57pm

re: #367 mikeinmd

For the love of all that is holy someone please hit him in the back. He's choking.

LOL!

Whenever I've heard President Bush speak off the cuff, he's done well. He may misspeak, but there's no questions (in my mind) of his sincerity.

450 vagabond trader  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:29:08pm

He's pissed, you all made him quit his beloved church, and that fine young pastor Otis Moss.

451 Cicero05  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:29:19pm

Brow mop any time now...

452 reine.de.tout  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:29:21pm

re: #414 BBev

Me too

me me too too

453 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:29:21pm

I sure hope the Trinity congregation heard him say:

It's not a church worthy of denouncing.

454 astronmr20  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:29:24pm

re: #445 USA

So why exactly is he leaving his Church?

St. Obama is laying his life down for the church.

He is taking one for the team.


/

455 EC Marm  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:29:26pm

He actually mentioned the Bible.
[clunk]

456 sattv4u2  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:29:28pm

"Sweetie, could we just go back to SUNSHINE Florida?"

457 MarkX  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:29:32pm

He's starting to hang himself

/ re: #425 goddessoftheclassroom

I'm Episcopalian, so I'm more familiar with the Book of Common Prayer, but there are lots of similarities.

There's always the Nicene Creed...

Doesn't matter, he'd fail them all.

He can't even define what it means to be a Christian.

Said earlier, just to listen to some tunes and mediate

458 NoSubmission  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:29:36pm

phoney bastard

459 jetpilot1101  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:29:37pm

I think we're overloading the hamsters with this thread.

Quick Charles throw them some rations 'cause they are going to need it.

460 LeftJustAintRight  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:29:39pm

Somebody call Hillary
This is pounce and kill time
She could have all the Super Delegates in her pocket before monday morning

461 gmsc  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:29:41pm

For the first time, Michelle Obama is proud of her husband . . .

462 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:29:49pm
463 bellamags  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:29:49pm

He just said BIBLE to prove he is a Christian.

464 sngnsgt  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:29:53pm

No Barack, you're not a candidate worth electing.

465 NoSubmission  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:30:01pm

uh.........

466 MarkX  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:30:02pm

He is getting way over his head in this discussion.

467 MrArchieBunker  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:30:03pm

re: #445 USA

Exactly, he danced around the issue.

468 republic  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:30:04pm

re: #393 tradewind

Yes, he did say at the start of the speech that Trinity is where he ' found Jesus'.
Hope it's not just another lie for him.

Obama perverts Scripture every time I have ever heard him talk about it.

He is a viper as far as that goes.

469 USBeast  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:30:07pm

This idiot doesn't know when to plead a previous engagement and cut his losses.

Nobody's light on their feet on quicksand.

470 trailortrash  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:30:22pm

this is turning out to be the most informative press coverage of this guy i have seen yet.
i can completely understand cnn and msnbc not showing this.

471 jetpilot1101  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:30:22pm

He's in trouble now...the Kos Kiddies are going to hate all this "Christian" speak.

472 NoSubmission  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:30:25pm

socialist theology.

473 pingjockey  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:30:38pm

This dude can not speak off the cuff. He is totally at sea with no compass, power or a clue.

474 HelloDare  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:30:40pm

He is not denouncing the church. He is quitting because his candidacy is focusing attention on it and that is not fair. Forget the shovel. Pass him the backhoe.

475 jcm  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:30:42pm

I hear cackling! What's that pulling off of BHO's six?
It looks like a broom!

476 tokyobk  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:30:46pm

re: #354 HelloDare

Christ probably would have been 'black' by the crazy one drop rules and by features, one-drop rules that were basically about maintaining a slave class especially in places like Mississippi, SC and Louisiana where blacks began to outnumber whites during slavery. Alexander Dumas, Pushkin etc.. people also with 'ashen skin and lambswool hair' were considered so.

Just as the half immigrant with a father who happens to be from Kenya instead of France or China, the descendants of slave traders and owners on both sides of the family, can go to a place like Trinity and marry and angry (but highly privileged) Power Sister, learn a little Ebonics and code switching, and then all of a sudden be 'black' as well-- until it gets time for the general.

Take it from this particular code-switching Mulatto. I said it before and it is already happening. Obama will go white in the general election, he will be a log-splitting immigrant, not an American Negro.

477 debutaunt  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:30:48pm

re: #455 EC Marm

He actually mentioned the Bible.
[clunk]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAA

478 MarkX  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:30:54pm

Jeeze, he's spinning so fast I can't keep up.

479 astronmr20  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:30:58pm

Oh God he's transitioning this into a foreign policy speech!

480 NoSubmission  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:31:09pm

spirit of justice?

481 Protagonist  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:31:09pm

Having left many a church after technically being a "member" and finding it completely wrong for me, here's what Obama should've done.

(1) Don't attend the church anymore;

(2) Don't touch the issue with a ten foot pole until January;

(3) Announce that you're leaving the church because of a geographical move away from the area, make sure to state clearly that you got a Letter of Recommendation from Trinity that you'll present to a new church;

(4) Join a much more conservative church.

Whoever on his campaign thought of making this decision/press conference, at this time, surrounded by ornery local SD newspapermen, should be fired.

482 Tarkus289  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:31:18pm

I can't wait to he Colmes defend him, saying how great this conference was.

483 mama winger  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:31:19pm

wisdom

reconciliation

unifying

mercy

? ? ? ?

So why has he stayed at TUCC so long?

484 tradewind  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:31:19pm

This is painful..
Later, ya'll.

485 NoSubmission  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:31:22pm

he'd better worry about his soul.

486 trailortrash  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:31:33pm

and its over

487 EC Marm  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:31:35pm

re: #463 bellamags

He just said BIBLE to prove he is a Christian.


I still say it will be a cold day in hell before he says "Christ" or "Jesus". Focus groups don't approve.

488 ted  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:31:37pm

Quagmire !

489 jetpilot1101  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:31:40pm

He just quit!

490 Nevergiveup  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:31:42pm

He is looking for reconciliation and unifying people and he went to Trinity Church for 20 years. Give me a freak en break!

491 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:31:43pm
492 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:31:43pm

re: #473 pingjockey

This dude can not speak off the cuff. He is totally at sea with no compass, power or a clue.

He just wings it, with no prior thought as to his goals

493 mean Gene  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:31:44pm

He just cut off questions and walked off.

494 Muadib  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:31:44pm

He's running away.

495 MarkX  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:31:45pm

He bails out ....LOL


,,,and fast

496 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:31:47pm

re: #334 Ma Sands

Hey Ma! How's the weather?

497 BrianA  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:31:49pm

You think he'll give Pastor Manning's church a look?

498 USBeast  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:32:05pm

Finally, the agony is over. Now the real pain begins.

499 BlueCanuck  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:32:06pm

re: #415 jetpilot1101

Not enough experience to recover from silly pilot errors IMHO.

500 jcm  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:32:13pm

re: #455 EC Marm

He actually mentioned the Bible.
[clunk]

Has he tried reading it?

501 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:32:16pm

re: #457 MarkX

He's starting to hang himself

/

Doesn't matter, he'd fail them all.

He can't even define what it means to be a Christian.

Said earlier, just to listen to some tunes and mediate

He doesn't believe in anything but himself, and, as St. Paul writes, to be a Christian a person must die to self.

502 NoSubmission  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:32:18pm

get him back on the podium. i need to hear more.

503 Bobblehead  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:32:19pm

re: #470 trailortrash

this is turning out to be the most informative press coverage of this guy i have seen yet.
i can completely understand cnn and msnbc not showing this.

Because they don't want to show their guy making an as of himself.

504 astronmr20  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:32:20pm

END

"Okay guys!"

*Runs*

505 Cicero05  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:32:22pm

Meanie press!

506 USA  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:32:24pm

Didn't Jesus leave his "Church" too?

507 The Other Les  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:32:30pm

re: #489 jetpilot1101

He just quit!

WHat!?

508 HelloDare  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:32:30pm

Somebody had better alert China. Barack is about to break through the surface.

509 MarkX  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:32:37pm

re: #487 EC Marm

You're right. He's never said the words "Jesus" or "Christ".

510 Tarkus289  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:32:43pm

re: #500 jcm

If he picks one up, his hands burn.

511 ishabibble  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:32:52pm

re: #317 unrealizedviewpoint

seems to have all the colors though - red white blue


Could it be his own campaign pin?

512 Cicero05  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:32:53pm

Now he's off to audition some new churches.

513 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:32:55pm
514 mama winger  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:32:56pm

re: #506 USA

Didn't Jesus leave his "Church" too?

No.

515 Tarkus289  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:33:00pm

Hey Sean.

516 sattv4u2  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:33:00pm

As he disappears behind the curtain, what you DIDN'T see

Michelle grabs him by the ear, pulls him aside, and scolds him like he's a 5 year old that just broke her favorite vase

517 Shaky Louie  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:33:04pm

re: #211 JammieWearingFool

...the Wizard of Uhhhs...


Priceless!

518 astronmr20  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:33:08pm

re: #509 MarkX

You're right. He's never said the words "Jesus" or "Christ".

He did.

519 jetpilot1101  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:33:19pm

re: #499 BlueCanuck

Not enough experience to recover from silly pilot errors IMHO.

Landing with the gear up is tough to recover from but this guy augered one in at mach 2

520 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:33:21pm

FOX repeats:

It's not a church worthy of denouncing.

521 Cicero05  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:33:27pm

Chris Mathews can't move his leg.

522 mama winger  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:33:28pm

re: #509 MarkX

You're right. He's never said the words "Jesus" or "Christ".

I think actually he did at one point.

523 NoSubmission  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:33:29pm

and this man is running for the highest office in our land. i can only shake my head.

524 Ma Sands  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:33:29pm

re: #496 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Cloudy.....black clouds.....sun over there......no wind....no threat......I think..... :)

525 ted  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:33:29pm

Shalom Obama!

526 republic  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:33:31pm

re: #409 NoSubmission

its not a church worthy of denouncing?


He(empty suit) and the talking heads(empty suits) are going to say that he feels there's no reason to denounce the "church", hence, "not worthy of denouncing".

Meaning, "I'm leaving it, but not denouncing it"

What an upside down world the left lives in.

527 bbuddha  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:33:38pm

where oh where did the reputation of a golden tongue come from. He sounds like a complete idiot.

528 Just Above Average  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:33:41pm

Should Barry get elected just think of all the material Letterman will get for his "Great Moments in Presidential History"

Oh, wait, that segment will probably be canceled since Bush is no longer in office.

Nonetheless great material!

529 Dolphin  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:33:46pm

re: #492 unrealizedviewpoint

He just wings it, with no prior thought as to his goals

The same way he will run our country.

530 vagabond trader  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:33:50pm

Trinity will lift their voices in prayer for the Obama and family. Can you say set up?

531 Sharmuta  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:33:56pm

We know who his real master is.

532 sngnsgt  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:34:03pm

Pens 1, Wings 1.

533 AuldTrafford  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:34:08pm

At last; a man with the courage to begin this conversation with America... . A speech that will renew our National Debate, and bring a healthy new spirit to the debate.

Waffles, anyone?

534 jcm  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:34:11pm

BHO has a new web site....

535 MarkX  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:34:15pm

re: #518 astronmr20

I missed it.

536 Luigi  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:34:26pm

Sean Hannity does real journalism.

537 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:34:28pm
538 Cicero05  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:34:33pm

I wonder how Rev Wright feels now that Obama has pissed on him.

539 Blitherakt  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:34:48pm

re: #533 AuldTrafford

At last; a man with the courage to begin this conversation with America... . A speech that will renew our National Debate, and bring a healthy new spirit to the debate.

Waffles, anyone?

Waffles? Pfft! PANCAKES!

540 Nevergiveup  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:34:54pm

re: #520 unrealizedviewpoint

FOX repeats:

Well what he MEANT was that he can no more denounce his church than.....

541 Tarkus289  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:34:56pm

I believe the "not worthy of denouncing" statement was a mistake, but I will enjoy all the flak he will receive.

542 Ojoe  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:34:56pm

Here cones the bus!

Obama cam'pain' bus.

543 pingjockey  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:35:00pm

Hannity talking about Ayers and what else is there to find out? No shit Sherlock.

544 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:35:06pm

re: #482 Tarkus289

I can't wait to he Colmes defend him, saying how great this conference was.

I wonder if Chris Matthews has a tingle?

545 Ornery Ballsack  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:35:07pm

"It's a very personal decision for Michelle....and I."
Is this solecism or did he tack the last part on afterward (implying that it's Michelle who picks the churches?

546 Blitherakt  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:35:12pm

re: #538 Cicero05

I wonder how Rev Wright feels now that Obama has pissed on him.

Pissed on rather than pissed off, I'd guess.

547 EC Marm  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:35:22pm

re: #522 mama winger

I think actually he did at one point.


I must have missed that. Do you remember the approximate quote?

548 DesertSage  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:35:23pm

Obama is done, put a fork in him.

This will be a 57 state landslide.

549 astronmr20  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:35:31pm

re: #541 Tarkus289

I believe the "not worthy of denouncing" statement was a mistake, but I will enjoy all the flak he will receive.

Agreed. What he was saying was he is not denouncing it.

550 MarkX  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:35:34pm

re: #537 song_and_dance_man

Actually he did at the very end of his explanation of what it means to be a Christian. He said, "...Christ died fro our sins..."

Missed it.

Was probably during the time I was yelling at the TV.

/that was about half the time

551 republic  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:35:40pm

re: #463 bellamags

He just said BIBLE to prove he is a Christian.


He's already said, "rather than some obscure passage in Romans"

Sounds like he picks and chooses, and then perverts whatever Scripture he wants, depending on who he is in front of.

Viper!

552 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:35:48pm

BO is exhibiting the signs of campaign burnout. I'm not sure he can handle five more months of this. It's only going to get tougher from now on.

553 HelloDare  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:35:54pm

re: #542 Ojoe

Great!

554 JustMyView  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:36:03pm

re: #159 sattv4u2

BULLSHIT ,, it's VERY infrequent (read NEVER) that my pastor demeans gays or lesbians, blacks or whites, etc etc

Good for you and your church! But opposition to homosexuality--not just gay marriage, but homosexuality--is common and commonly stated in many black churches, and opposition to the ordination of gays has been a hot-button issue in mainstream Protestant churches for years. Am not sure exactly where things stand right now, but the Episcopal Church has been in danger of schism since a gay bishop was ordained in 2003.

On this issue, Obama is not fantasizing.

555 pat  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:36:05pm

"Crazy Racist Cultist Throws Cult Under Bus"

556 Ma Sands  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:36:06pm

re: #537 song_and_dance_man

Sure did.....and followed it right up with saying that means we gotta follow the golden rule..... ):

557 NoSubmission  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:36:06pm

re: #549 astronmr20

Agreed. What he was saying was he is not denouncing it.


He'll just say he meant something else. If I were his wife, I'd be worried.

558 sattv4u2  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:36:10pm

re: #545 Ornery Ballsack

"It's a very personal decision for Michelle....and I."
Is this solecism or did he tack the last part on afterward (implying that it's Michelle who picks the churches?

refer to my #516

559 mean Gene  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:36:28pm

IF Obama's handling of this had been better I would have thought it was a set up.
Send in the white guy to lay the last straw on the camel's back then quit the relationship with the church.
But he muffed up so bad I cannot believe it.

560 Bobblehead  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:36:29pm

re: #542 Ojoe

Here cones the bus!

Obama cam'pain' bus.

Who are those front wheels gonna come down on next?

561 Ojoe  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:36:50pm

re: #542 Ojoe

Er, "COMES" the bus.

Whee!

The bus claims another victim

562 mfarmer1  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:36:51pm

Rolling around the floor speaking in tongues followed by dancing with rattlesnakes topped off with slitting the throats of some chickens and drinking their blood while poking pins into voodoo dolls is more worthy as a matter of faith than the venomous sermons spewed from the pulpit by lifelong malcontents preaching to the anti-American, anti-capitalist, conspiratorial, crazed, hate-filled freakshow populating the pews at Trinity United Church.

563 coquimbojoe  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:36:54pm

re: #475 jcm

I hear cackling! What's that pulling off of BHO's six?
It looks like a broom!

I feel sorry for the broom!

/Its nice to go to a church where there are doctrines leading to our betterment (or at least with that intention) rather than a hate filled whine fest with anger and bitterness as its driving theology.

564 Nevergiveup  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:36:55pm

re: #552 really grumpy big dog Johnson

It's still pre season.

565 VegasRick  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:36:56pm

re: #547 EC Marm

I must have missed that. Do you remember the approximate quote?

I think it was "Jesus Christ, won't you guys just let me eat my waffle!"

566 republic  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:37:09pm

re: #544 NJDhockeyfan

I wonder if Chris Matthews has a tingle?


He's probably got wet stuff running down his tingling leg.

567 jetprop  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:37:10pm

re: #519 jetpilot1101

Landing with the gear up is tough to recover from but this guy augered one in at mach 2

haha ..The tower has "a number for him to call"..

568 MarkX  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:37:23pm

re: #542 Ojoe

LOL, where was that bus when I was going to school?

569 hermeneutics  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:37:26pm

So, what will the MSM write/say about this? Lets guess their O-spin.

570 The Other Les  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:37:30pm

re: #550 MarkX

Missed it.

Was probably during the time I was yelling at the TV.

/that was about half the time

Rocky Horror type call backs for Obama press events:

Like your F**king ears.

Unlike your F**king ears.

Also like your F**king ears.

And so on...

571 astronmr20  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:37:31pm

re: #565 VegasRick

I think it was "Jesus Christ, won't you guys just let me eat my waffle!"

ROFL

572 justsam65  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:37:37pm

By the time he's done, the US and Israel will be under that bus, too.

573 AuldTrafford  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:37:39pm

re: #545 Ornery Ballsack

"It's a very personal decision for Michelle....and I."
Is this solecism or did he tack the last part on afterward (implying that it's Michelle who picks the churches?

Incorrect use of pronouns, too. Should be "me".

574 MarkX  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:37:42pm

re: #565 VegasRick

ROFLMAO

575 Sharmuta  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:37:43pm

So Black Liberation ideology is not worthy of denouncement. Oh-kaaay.

576 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:37:46pm

re: #545 Ornery Ballsack

"It's a very personal decision for Michelle....and I."
Is this solecism or did he tack the last part on afterward (implying that it's Michelle who picks the churches?

Assuming you transcribed him correctly (and I have no doubt that you did), this is yet another example of how ungrammatical this Harvard grad is: it should be "..for Michelle and me."

Even my small-town 9th graders would have said that correctly. They all say they hear my voice in their heads, correcting their grammar,,,

577 Blitherakt  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:37:51pm

re: #545 Ornery Ballsack

"It's a very personal decision for Michelle....and I."

Bad grammar, too. Should be "Michelle.... and me."

578 mama winger  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:37:59pm

As a Christian, I would of course prefer that a Christian or Jew were elected to the Presidency. However, that is not a deal-breaker for me. I really do not care if Obama is a Christian or not. What I am looking for is a man or woman of character, someone who has a strong moral compass, someone who doesn't hide behind a cloak of religion in the attempt to deceive.

Obama is a deceiver. The fact that he is not a Christian is way down the list for me. There are so many other things that disqualify this man from the highest office in the land.

579 Dolphin  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:38:12pm

re: #551 republic

He's already said, "rather than some obscure passage in Romans"

Sounds like he picks and chooses, and then perverts whatever Scripture he wants, depending on who he is in front of.

Viper!

He had 20 years of coaching.

580 tokyobk  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:38:29pm

Reverend Writght will retaliate by admitting he is Bob Barr`s twin brother separated at birth and passing for black when in fact he is white. Just watch.

581 astronmr20  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:38:30pm

re: #578 mama winger

As a Christian, I would of course prefer that a Christian or Jew were elected to the Presidency. However, that is not a deal-breaker for me. I really do not care if Obama is a Christian or not. What I am looking for is a man or woman of character, someone who has a strong moral compass, someone who doesn't hide behind a cloak of religion in the attempt to deceive.

Obama is a deceiver. The fact that he is not a Christian is way down the list for me. There are so many other things that disqualify this man from the highest office in the land.

Well-said.

582 Geepers  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:38:35pm

Protagonist (#481),

Whoever on his campaign thought of making this decision/press conference, at this time, surrounded by ornery local SD newspapermen, should be fired.

According to the articles I've read his staff didn't even know when or how he did it.

I think this is Barry's own brainstorm.

You can tell by his comments that he really didn't want to leave, but understands he has to get these racist "preachers" off the front page.

583 The Other Les  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:38:35pm

re: #568 MarkX

LOL, where was that bus when I was going to school?

Where was that bus when I was doing basic training at Fort Benning?

584 LeftJustAintRight  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:38:51pm

Is he going to denounce Mo next ?

585 MarkX  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:38:55pm

Sean is on FOX now via phone.

This will give him enough material for all next week. LOL

586 mama winger  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:38:57pm

re: #547 EC Marm

I must have missed that. Do you remember the approximate quote?

I believe he said that the essence of the Christian faith as he understood it, apart from the fact that Christ died for our sins, was the Golden Rule.

587 bellamags  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:39:00pm

re: #560 Bobblehead

Michelle

588 Nevergiveup  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:39:14pm

re: #578 mama winger

As a Christian, I would of course prefer that a Christian or Jew were elected to the Presidency. However, that is not a deal-breaker for me. I really do not care if Obama is a Christian or not. What I am looking for is a man or woman of character, someone who has a strong moral compass, someone who doesn't hide behind a cloak of religion in the attempt to deceive.

Obama is a deceiver. The fact that he is not a Christian is way down the list for me. There are so many other things that disqualify this man from the highest office in the land.

Like being a lying Commie bastard?

589 Timbre  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:39:22pm

The Catholics at St. Sabina Church need to throw "Rev." Michael Pfleger under a bus (figuratively speaking).

590 sattv4u2  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:39:25pm

re: #569 hermeneutics

So, what will the MSM write/say about this? Lets guess their O-spin.

EASY

Today, Senator Obama gave a heartfelt speech stating for that the good of the congregation, so they will no longer be harrassed by a right wing media that is out of control, he has decided to leave the TU church

591 HelloDare  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:39:29pm

Obvious question: Are you considering another Black Liberation Theology church?

592 vagabond trader  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:39:29pm

re: #554 JustMyView

No, he was merely deflecting.

593 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:39:41pm

re: #554 JustMyView

Good for you and your church! But opposition to homosexuality--not just gay marriage, but homosexuality--is common and commonly stated in many black churches, and opposition to the ordination of gays has been a hot-button issue in mainstream Protestant churches for years. Am not sure exactly where things stand right now, but the Episcopal Church has been in danger of schism since a gay bishop was ordained in 2003.

On this issue, Obama is not fantasizing.

It's created major schisms among the Episcopals, the Lutherans, the Presbyterians, the Methodists, the Baptists, the...

The post-reformation reformation is underway.

594 sarah  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:39:42pm

It has been said I think once before:
You can leave a church, but after 20 years, you can't leave the teachings that are ingrained in you.

595 The Other Les  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:39:57pm

re: #584 LeftJustAintRight

Is he going to denounce Mo next ?

That's a fatwa for him.

596 coquimbojoe  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:40:07pm

re: #561 Ojoe

Er, "COMES" the bus.

Whee!

The bus claims another victim

Have you noticed that the bus keeps claiming bigger and bigger victims. First, kindly little old ladies that helped raise him, crazy uncle pastors, and now whole churches.

Everyone if solo should be a warning sign to the thinking voter.

597 MarkX  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:40:10pm

re: #578 mama winger

Ditto.

I just want someone to be honest with me.

598 Dolphin  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:40:11pm

Zombie, you still here? How is your BHO myth/truth site coming?

599 Ojoe  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:40:15pm
"It's a very personal cool, nuanced, bus-like, nitro-pwered decision for Michelle....and I."
600 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:40:23pm

re: #580 tokyobk

Reverend Writght will retaliate by admitting he is Bob Barr`s twin brother separated at birth and passing for black when in fact he is white. Just watch.

Still believe Barry's a great candidate?

601 HelloDare  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:40:31pm

He did not denounce the church.

602 EC Marm  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:40:32pm

re: #578 mama winger

As a Christian, I would of course prefer that a Christian or Jew were elected to the Presidency. However, that is not a deal-breaker for me. I really do not care if Obama is a Christian or not. What I am looking for is a man or woman of character, someone who has a strong moral compass, someone who doesn't hide behind a cloak of religion in the attempt to deceive.

Obama is a deceiver. The fact that he is not a Christian is way down the list for me. There are so many other things that disqualify this man from the highest office in the land.


It may be hard for the atheists to think that people of faith may hold such an opinion, but I agree with you. Religious belief can be faked, I'll take honesty any day of the week.

603 sparrowlake  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:40:36pm

churchwhore

604 Just Above Average  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:40:40pm

re: #578 mama winger

I'm a newbie, but I totally agree with your comment. Well said

605 vagabond trader  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:40:40pm

re: #569 hermeneutics

Courageous, powerful, faith based, unifying, conciliatory,noble.

606 Tarkus289  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:40:51pm

Four pieces of nicorette gum and three cigarettes since the end of speech.

607 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:40:53pm
608 astronmr20  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:40:54pm

re: #601 HelloDare

He did not denounce the church.

He specifically said he did not.

609 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:41:05pm

re: #591 HelloDare

Obvious question: Are you considering another Black Liberation Theology church?

I was waiting for someone to ask that question.

Still waiting.

610 MarkX  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:41:14pm

re: #604 Just Above Average

I'm a newbie, but I totally agree with your comment. Well said

You're off to a good start. LOL

611 bellamags  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:41:20pm

re: #602 EC Marm

here here.

612 ted  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:41:21pm

Obama you meshugah, come to NYC and talk to my people..we'll have a cup of coffee too.


[Link: images.search.yahoo.com...]

613 astronmr20  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:41:23pm

re: #607 song_and_dance_man

Crosstown Traffic

tire tracks all across grandma's back?

614 mama winger  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:41:29pm

re: #554 JustMyView

But opposition to homosexuality--not just gay marriage, but homosexuality--is common and commonly stated in many black churches,

and any other orthodox church .......

615 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:41:33pm

re: #585 MarkX

Sean is on FOX now via phone.

This will give him enough material for all next week. LOL

He's really the only one pounding.

616 coquimbojoe  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:41:43pm

re: #545 Ornery Ballsack

"It's a very personal decision for Michelle....and I."
Is this solecism or did he tack the last part on afterward (implying that it's Michelle who picks the churches?

So personal as to be made in front of the whole country to get my ass out of this tight spot.....

617 Luigi  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:42:05pm

That Fox lady has great features.

618 LeftJustAintRight  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:42:09pm

Ok folks
This is why we separate Church and State
We may have just lost the best POTUS since Lincoln

/moonbat off

619 Ojoe  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:42:21pm

re: #599 Ojoe

Like this. Nitro Bus Revenge.

620 Tarkus289  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:42:42pm

Shuttle launches, God Bless the United States.

621 Blitherakt  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:42:56pm

re: #618 LeftJustAintRight

Ok folks
This is why we separate Church and State
We may have just lost the best POTUS since Lincoln

/moonbat off

Channelling Kos or something?

622 USBeast  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:43:01pm

re: #617 Luigi

That Fox lady has great features.

Julie is one of the great features on Fox

623 Tarkus289  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:43:09pm

re: #617 Luigi

Don't they all?

624 MarkX  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:43:11pm

Uh oh.

On FOX they're pounding on the non-denouncement.

625 The Other Les  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:43:13pm

re: #617 Luigi

That Fox lady has great features.

The local Fox affiliate is covering the weather.

Lots of hail so far.

626 USA  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:43:21pm

Did he say why he quit the Church? I don't think he ever did.

627 sattv4u2  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:43:25pm

re: #620 Tarkus289

Shuttle launches, God Bless the United States.

Obama could be the next President ,,, God HELP the United States

628 mikeinmd  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:43:26pm

re: #475 jcm

I hear cackling! What's that pulling off of BHO's six?
It looks like a broom!

I was eating a flamin' hot cheetoh when I read that.
Right into the intake like a bird in a jet engine.
I just recovered.

629 coquimbojoe  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:43:27pm

re: #601 HelloDare

He did not denounce the church.

He actually didn't denounce the church before he denounced it... To paraphrase another stellar democratic candidate for President....

630 ted  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:43:28pm

re: #620 Tarkus289

Shuttle launches, God Bless the United States.

It was beautiful.

631 pingjockey  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:43:31pm

The presumptive donk nominee makes a speech, takes questions, and CNN and PMSNBC don't even cover it? Heh!

632 LeftJustAintRight  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:43:45pm

re: #621 Blitherakt

Channelling Kos or something?

LOL
Know your enemy

633 vagabond trader  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:43:47pm

re: #626 USA

Yes he did and it was ALL our fault.

634 coquimbojoe  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:44:23pm

re: #633 vagabond trader

Yes he did and it was ALL our fault.

You mean he wouldn't have had to if we weren't such racist tools?

635 Timbre  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:44:27pm

re: #618 LeftJustAintRight

I think John Edwards may be rubbing his hands together and giggling, thinking of a backroom deal to be done.

636 MarkX  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:44:30pm

Good night all.

Off to the movies.

I gotta calm down.

637 jcm  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:44:41pm

Did BHO disown the undisownable again?re: #626 USA

Did he say why he quit the Church? I don't think he ever did.

Media attention on the church.
It not him or the church it's THEM!

638 wolf  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:44:46pm

Dumps his church, dumps his pastor whom he claimed was like family. All because they are a political liability. No loyalty at all. Did they just start pontificating on the evils of white men in the past six months? That is good news, because I thought this was something inherent in the Black theology they been spouting about the entire 20 years he attended.

Good to hear the guy is so self absorbed.

639 Dolphin  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:44:47pm

re: #633 vagabond trader

Yes he did and it was ALL our fault.

No, it is/was the media's fault.

640 Tarkus289  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:44:53pm

re: #630 ted

A local from my neighborhood is on board.

641 mama winger  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:44:56pm

re: #626 USA

Did he say why he quit the Church? I don't think he ever did.

He basically said that his being a member of TUCC was too intrusive for the church people there. They were under unfair scrutiny because of his membership. So we should let them be alone to hate in privacy.

or sumpin

642 Geepers  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:45:04pm

JustMyView (#554),

... the Episcopal Church has been in danger of schism since a gay bishop was ordained in 2003.

LOL!

Just like Iraq was on "the verge" of a civil war for about five years.

643 mama winger  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:45:08pm

re: #636 MarkX

Good night all.

Off to the movies.

I gotta calm down.

HAve fun!

644 The Other Les  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:45:09pm

re: #629 coquimbojoe

He actually didn't denounce the church before he denounced it... To paraphrase another stellar democratic candidate for President....

I thought it was denounce the church before he didn't denounce it?

645 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:45:24pm
646 jcm  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:45:29pm

re: #635 Timbre

I think John Edwards may be rubbing his hands together and giggling, thinking of a backroom deal to be done.

Broom Jockey / Sliky Pony '08

*gag*

647 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:45:30pm

re: #636 MarkX

PLEASE TELL ME NOT "SEX AND THE CITY"!

648 tokyobk  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:45:37pm

re: #600 unrealizedviewpoint

Still believe Barry's a great candidate?


I never said he was a great candidate, but a great politician, and likely I will vote for McCain. He is indeed a gifted politician who is as underestimated by many on LGF as he is overestimated by the MSM.

He has handled this situation terribly, a true neophyte. AWFUL. F-.

I also always said he would go 'white' in the general and this is part of it. But yes, even as a mild kool-aid drinker, I think this shows all of the terrible qualities many here point out and yes the MSM will run interference for him.

649 ciaospirit  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:45:37pm

re: #526 republic

Meaning, "I'm leaving it, but not denouncing it"

Exactly as he and Wright planned it.

650 Dolphin  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:45:49pm

re: #640 Tarkus289

Cool!

651 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:45:49pm

re: #622 USBeast

Julie is one of the great features on Fox

Are you speaking of Juliette Huddy?

She certainly warms my bagels...

652 LeftJustAintRight  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:45:51pm

The Church is responsible for Obama Hussein and family for being a Racist Bigot
He is a victim
/ok

653 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:45:53pm

re: #578 mama winger

"mama" -

At least in the US, Christian or Jewish = Same Union/Different Local, AND more or less the SAME for everyone else as well. would the REST of the world were the same.

-S-

654 USBeast  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:46:05pm

re: #620 Tarkus289

Shuttle launches, God Bless the United States.

Damn! I missed something really important watching that moron.

655 ted  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:46:12pm

re: #640 Tarkus289

A local from my neighborhood is on board.

Cool. Close to me2.

656 AuldTrafford  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:46:13pm

Gotta hand it to him, tho. Now that he's quit, absolutely on one will pay anymore attention to what goes on at Trinity.

Good thinking, Barack!

657 Muadib  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:46:28pm

Obama is staggering. Hang in there Hillary, you may still have a chance to get your butt kicked in the big election.

658 pingjockey  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:46:36pm

Bill Ayres should be stood against a wall and shot by a firing squad. He was and is a traitor, not someone to be associated with a presidential campaign.

659 sparrowlake  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:46:40pm

re: #630 ted

It was beautiful.

When ya gotta go ya gotta go.

660 pat  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:47:06pm

re: #617 Luigi

That Fox lady has great features.

Oh, Julie Banderas. Anti-idiotarian. And very funny. See her on Red Eye some time.

661 Blitherakt  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:47:07pm

re: #626 USA

Did he say why he quit the Church? I don't think he ever did.

How would you phrase this in correct political parlance:

It is with heavy heart that I distance myself from my church. I will not specifically denounce it, because I whole-heartedly believe in their message.

By distancing myself, I hope to keep my continued associations in the back rooms, alleys and dark corners where they cannot be placed under scrutiny by my opposition.

662 yenta-fada  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:47:09pm

re: #359 Muadib

BHO is a dangerous, weak, narcissistic America-hater. Don't waste your sympathy because he has the sheeple believing he is presidential material. He is incapable of knowing he is wrong. The last thing he can EVER do is CHANGE!

663 USA  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:47:22pm

re: #637 jcm

Did BHO disown the undisownable again?

Media attention on the church.
It not him or the church it's THEM!

Ok, media attention on the church is a fact. It is not a reason. Is he saying his presidency harms the church? Is he saying the church harms his presidential campaign? I did not hear his reason.

664 jcm  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:47:23pm

re: #658 pingjockey

Bill Ayres should be stood against a wall and shot by a firing squad. He was and is a traitor, not someone to be associated with a presidential campaign.

Now, now you're talking about the Sec Ed in the BHO cabinet there.
/

665 Dolphin  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:47:26pm

re: #526 republic

Meaning, "I'm leaving it, but not denouncing it"

Exactly as he and Wright planned it.

Clinton smoked but didn't inhale...

666 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:47:26pm

I've been online way too long--see y'all tomorrow, Lizards.

667 NoSubmission  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:47:27pm

This is a guy who said he found nothing particularly controversial with his church not too long ago.

668 mama winger  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:48:00pm

re: #666 goddessoftheclassroom

I've been online way too long--see y'all tomorrow, Lizards.

HAve a nice evening goddess!

669 Timbre  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:48:16pm

re: #662 yenta-fada

Excellent observation!

670 USBeast  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:48:18pm

re: #651 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Are you speaking of Juliette Huddy?

She certainly warms my bagels...

Julie Banderas is the lady to whom I was referring.

671 HelloDare  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:48:21pm

I'm sure Hillary's people are working overtime trying to find more dirt on the Bill Ayers connection. Imagine if he had to "denounce" his pal next week.

672 Dolphin  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:48:30pm

re: #666 goddessoftheclassroom

'night

673 jcm  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:48:32pm

re: #663 USA

Ok, media attention on the church is a fact. It is not a reason. Is he saying his presidency harms the church? Is he saying the church harms his presidential campaign? I did not hear his reason.

The fatal flaw in is you're using reason and logic.

You need to FEEL his PAIN!


//

674 mama winger  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:48:44pm

Gee - I was so busy watching Urkel that I haven't eaten supper yet.....

anybody got a pizza?

675 LeftJustAintRight  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:48:48pm

Obama Hussein is going to stop going to church until the election is over
What will we have to talk about since we are out of preachers spewing hate ?

676 Bosch Fawstin  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:48:50pm

Look at what he does to his friends to imagine what he'd do to us, and then imagine what he'd do with our enemies. The thought's almost pornographic.

677 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:49:12pm

re: #662 yenta-fada

BHO is a dangerous, weak, narcissistic America-hater. Don't waste your sympathy because he has the sheeple believing he is presidential material. He is incapable of knowing he is wrong. The last thing he can EVER do is CHANGE!

I always figured that the most liberal senator must be kind of flexible, to take some of the positions he's taken...

678 ted  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:49:16pm

So does this mean BHO's "Gettysburg Address" screed is now null and void ?

680 Tarkus289  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:49:21pm

re: #655 ted

Where ?

681 hermeneutics  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:49:23pm

Here is my NYT lede for tomorrow. Lets see how close it is.

Presidential contender Barack Obama formally left Trinity Church of Chicago, Illinois, a decision observers describe as wrenching but politically expedient. Though a member of Trinity church for more than two decades, Obama has come under increasing scrutiny and criticism because of his close association with its pastor, Jeremiah Wright. Critics of Wright claim his sermons were both racially inflamatory and anti-American. Supporters of Wright, in contrast, claim his sermons had themes and a worship style typical of urban African-American churches.

682 mama winger  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:49:23pm

re: #666 goddessoftheclassroom

I've been online way too long--see y'all tomorrow, Lizards.

Good idea to scoot out goddess. You are 666.

RUN !

683 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:49:33pm

re: #648 tokyobk

I never said he was a great candidate, but a great politician, and likely I will vote for McCain. He is indeed a gifted politician who is as underestimated by many on LGF as he is overestimated by the MSM.

He has handled this situation terribly, a true neophyte. AWFUL. F-.

I also always said he would go 'white' in the general and this is part of it. But yes, even as a mild kool-aid drinker, I think this shows all of the terrible qualities many here point out and yes the MSM will run interference for him.

Good answers!
Just shoutin' out to ya.

684 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:49:38pm
685 The Shadow Do  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:49:59pm

re: #601 HelloDare

He did not denounce the church.

I think this guy is so insecure that his street cred means at least as much to him as his electability. He thinks he can have both. This is the hill he will die on (figuratively of course).

686 Bobblehead  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:50:18pm

Gotta love the photo of Barack and the Rev. on Michelle Malkin's site.

687 Ma Sands  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:50:31pm

re: #682 mama winger

I wonder if she noticed that before she signed off. :)

688 Blitherakt  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:50:35pm

re: #664 jcm

Now, now you're talking about the Sec Ed in the BHO cabinet there.

Wait, I thought he was gonna be the new head of DHS...

/so confused

689 Just Above Average  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:50:36pm

re: #610 MarkX

Is there some sort of a 'test' or 'vetting' rookies must pass?

I've observed several unspoken rules:

Rule #1: Don't be stupid
Rule #2: Don't pretend
Rule #3: Don't mention Pat Buchanan in a positive manner
Rule #4: Never forget Rule #1

Am I close?

690 ted  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:50:40pm

re: #680 Tarkus289

Where ?

NYC

691 tokyobk  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:50:51pm

BTW, wasre: #683 unrealizedviewpoint


Right back at you and hope you also have a big supply of popcorn and your favorite beverage for the Big Show. This convention is coing to be fun.

692 ContraJihadi  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:50:55pm

re: #648 tokyobk

I never said he was a great candidate, but a great politician.

Great politician, perhaps. As in grandiose.

I am sure you do not mean, Great statesman. He is the very opposite.

693 pepperpot  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:50:59pm

Hillary's August Surprise - watch what is happening with the governor in Illinois - the whole crooked mess in Chicago is going to break wide open before or during the August Democratic convention. Guess who is going to be found to have deep ties to very dirty guys!

Illinois politics is as dirty as it gets because of Chicago. I don't think you can get elected as a democrat in Illinois without getting your hands dirty. Hillary knows this and she is going to stay in the running until all the dirt hits the fan.

I don't care for her policies, but by golly, I sure admire her tenaciousness. Too bad she took a wrong turn left somewhere.

694 Tarkus289  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:51:22pm

re: #690 ted

Just north myself.

695 Timbre  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:51:29pm

re: #679 Ojoe

HA! Obama could never land on his feet like that!

696 secsailor  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:51:40pm

Can someone please explain to me why he's not the laughing stock of the country right now?

I thought Kerry was bad. I thought Hillary and Bill were worse. The Democrats have really out done themselves this time!

697 threecoloursblue  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:52:09pm

re: #658 pingjockey

Bill was/is a middleclass prick without any revolutionary credentials at all. A joke.

698 trailortrash  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:52:09pm

re: #674 mama winger

Gee - I was so busy watching Urkel that I haven't eaten supper yet.....

anybody got a pizza?

/hands MW a slice :)

699 mama winger  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:52:10pm

re: #681 hermeneutics

I can't seem to get your email thingy. I turned my nic blue if you'd like to contact me about Wheaton. :)

700 sparrowlake  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:52:17pm

re: #679 Ojoe

Actually, I think this is the Official bus of the BHO campaign.

It's magical.

701 republic  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:52:18pm

re: #658 pingjockey

Bill Ayres should be stood against a wall and shot by a firing squad. He was and is a traitor, not someone to be associated with a presidential campaign.

He'll probably be in Obamas cabinet if Obama is elected.

The rest of his cabinet may very well make Ayers look Patriotic.

702 El Anti-Idiotario  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:52:19pm

He's joining the Universal Church of IHOP.
Waffles and pancakes for everyone!

703 Blitherakt  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:52:30pm

re: #696 secsailor

Can someone please explain to me why he's not the laughing stock of the country right now?

I thought Kerry was bad. I thought Hillary and Bill were worse. The Democrats have really out done themselves this time!

He's got GRAVITAS! And is more photogenic than Kerry.

704 JustMyView  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:52:35pm

re: #593 really grumpy big dog Johnson

It's created major schisms among the Episcopals, the Lutherans, the Presbyterians, the Methodists, the Baptists, the...

The post-reformation reformation is underway.

Exactly. I haven't followed these controversies closely enough to know where things stand in the various denominations, but I know that the ordination of gays and gay marriage have been sources of deep conflict in many churches for years now.

705 mama winger  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:52:36pm

re: #698 trailortrash

/hands MW a slice :)

ahhhhh - thanks. My tummy was growling :)

706 HelloDare  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:52:46pm

re: #695 Timbre

HA! Obama could never land on his feet like that!

He's start to fly like Dumbo.

707 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:53:05pm

re: #664 jcm

"jcm" -

Puh-Leeze, I was part of the establishment of the "D of Ed." The PUBLICITY was right as far as "Education" deserving a Department.
Still Is, the NUB is who you appoint to the Department. Always is, always has been. Basic rule is - NEVER LET THE INMATES RUN THE ASYLUM!

-S-

708 pingjockey  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:53:19pm

re: #648 tokyobk
He is not a great politician. He has never done anything or faced any kind of electoral challenge until now.

709 jcm  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:53:37pm

re: #688 Blitherakt

Wait, I thought he was gonna be the new head of DHS...

/so confused

Chief of NOI security gets that slot.

710 mama winger  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:53:39pm

re: #704 JustMyView

Exactly. I haven't followed these controversies closely enough to know where things stand in the various denominations, but I know that the ordination of gays and gay marriage have been sources of deep conflict in many churches for years now.

Only in the liberal churches, or the liberal factions of mainstream churches. Not in evangelical churches.

711 mean Gene  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:53:55pm

re: #696 secsailor

Can someone please explain to me why he's not the laughing stock of the country right now?

I thought Kerry was bad. I thought Hillary and Bill were worse. The Democrats have really out done themselves this time!

That would be ''racist."

712 itellu3times  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:54:24pm

ABC west coast national news lead with the breaking story, but no film.

713 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:54:24pm

re: #678 ted

So does this mean BHO's "Gettysburg Address" screed is now null and void ?

Well, we have the Two and a Half Fifths Compromise now, so it least his name will go down in history.

714 mama winger  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:54:41pm

re: #687 Ma Sands

I wonder if she noticed that before she signed off. :)

I bet not. We'll tease her about it tomorrow.

715 AuldTrafford  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:54:44pm

re: #696 secsailor

Can someone please explain to me why he's not the laughing stock of the country right now?

I thought Kerry was bad. I thought Hillary and Bill were worse. The Democrats have really out done themselves this time!

There's the problem with a democracy. As long as there is no responsibility requirement for voting, people will vote for anyone that promises a big piece of someone else's pie. Clarabelle the Clown, take the Head of the Ticket.

716 pingjockey  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:54:44pm

re: #701 republic
God forbid!

717 Blitherakt  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:55:03pm

re: #711 mean Gene

That would be ''racist."

But aren't we "racist" anyway?

/Racism is genetic, no?

718 tokyobk  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:55:38pm

re: #692 ContraJihadi

re: #692 ContraJihadi

Great politician, perhaps. As in grandiose.

I am sure you do not mean, Great statesman. He is the very opposite.


No one knows the latter and I certainly meant the former. But the likelihood of the chance to find out if he is a Statesman is increasing and to the dismay and disbelief of many here who still cling to the idea that Obama is a fluke creation of the MSM and not a man more of his own making than for example Kennedy and perhaps as much of his own making as a Clinton or even Reagan.

This speaks to his organizational and promotional skills which are genius level, not to his character or ability to lead.

I suspect he will be a kennedyesque Carter in office, minus the fluffers and peanuts but and with a perfectly blanced first lady half Jackie O (dinner parties and dresses and interviews in Vogue) and half Billy Carter, (flubs and gaffs)

719 itellu3times  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:55:40pm

But now, doesn't Hillary have to comment on this, or denounce or leave something her own self?

720 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:55:49pm

re: #678 ted

So does this mean BHO's "Gettysburg Address" screed is now null and void ?

ted -

OBAMA'S Gettysburg Address is "P.O. Box...."

-S-

721 Bosch Fawstin  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:55:52pm

re: #662 yenta-fada

BHO is a dangerous, weak, narcissistic America-hater. Don't waste your sympathy because he has the sheeple believing he is presidential material. He is incapable of knowing he is wrong. The last thing he can EVER do is CHANGE!

Worth repeating: 'He is incapable of knowing he is wrong.' Beautifully put, bravo.

722 Ma Sands  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:55:54pm

Two things I noticed:

-- he did more than um and hem and haw.....he actually at one point broke out into stuttering! --repeated the same sound 5-6 times!

-- after saying Christ died for us, he turned bright red 'til the subject turned a moment later.

723 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:56:07pm
724 ted  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:56:13pm

"The lady doth protest too much"



Democrats restore Michigan, Clinton may challenge

May 31 07:29 PM US/Eastern

Democratic Party officials restored renegade state Michigan to its presidential convention Saturday with halved voting rights, but Hillary Clinton's camp said it may challenge the ruling.
The Democratic National committee's rules and bylaws committee voted 19 to 8 to restore the northern state, after earlier voting to reinstate Florida, which also broke party rules by bringing its primary forward to January.

Clinton, who won the primary, in which Obama's name was not on the ballot, will get 69 delegates, who will each only have half a vote in nominating the party's presidential nominee.

Obama will get 59 delegates, who will also have half a vote under the plan.

But Clinton's senior advisor Harold Ickes, who had argued that Obama should get no votes, said the former first lady's supporters had been hijacked.

"Mrs Clinton has instructed me to reserve her rights to take this to the credentials committee," Ickes said.

The committee is due to meet in July as preparations accelerate for the party convention.

The rules and bylaws panel earlier voted 27-0 for the compromise Florida plan, which will give primary winner Clinton a net gain of 19 delegates to the convention but leave her well behind Barack Obama in the total delegate count.

The plan will see all the state's delegates , and superdelegates (top party officials) restored, but they will each have only half a vote at the convention in Denver in August to crown the party's presidential challenger.

At a fiercely contested meeting at a Washington hotel, the committee earlier rejected Clinton's bid to have the Florida delegation seated in full.

Clinton's angry supporters chanted "Denver, Denver" demanding the row be taken to the party convention in August and "Madame President" "Madame President."

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

725 Nevergiveup  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:56:17pm

So let me get the order right:

1) You whitey racists don't get it and I could no more denounce...
2) I never knew Rev Wright was like that and he is out of there anyway
3) Rev Who? What 20 years?
4) There's a new pastor in town. Move on.
5) " And that's all folks" I'm out of there!

726 Muadib  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:56:19pm

re: #662 yenta-fada

BHO is a dangerous, weak, narcissistic America-hater. Don't waste your sympathy because he has the sheeple believing he is presidential material. He is incapable of knowing he is wrong. The last thing he can EVER do is CHANGE!

Compassion, with extreme prejudice.

727 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:56:43pm

re: #717 Blitherakt

But aren't we "racist" anyway?

/Racism is genetic, no?

Actually, racism is a social construct. It has nothing whatsoever to do with DNA, but with dominant nations instead.

728 Former Belgian  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:56:43pm

re: #575 Sharmuta

So Black Liberation ideology is not worthy of denouncement. Oh-kaaay.

"Black lubrication theology" is what I'd call it ;-)

729 jcm  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:56:45pm

re: #707 Dr. Shalit

"jcm" -

Puh-Leeze, I was part of the establishment of the "D of Ed." The PUBLICITY was right as far as "Education" deserving a Department.
Still Is, the NUB is who you appoint to the Department. Always is, always has been. Basic rule is - NEVER LET THE INMATES RUN THE ASYLUM!

-S-

CHANGE! is in the air!
/

730 mama winger  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:56:46pm

re: #722 Ma Sands

Two things I noticed:

-- he did more than um and hem and haw.....he actually at one point broke out into stuttering! --repeated the same sound 5-6 times!

-- after saying Christ died for us, he turned bright red 'til the subject turned a moment later.

Really. wow . I was typing and did not notice that.

731 ted  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:56:53pm

re: #713 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Uh, OK.

732 Blitherakt  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:57:11pm

re: #713 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Well, we have the Two and a Half Fifths Compromise now, so it least his name will go down in history.

Wouldn't that work out to six tenths?

733 obscured by clouds  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:57:29pm

#211 JammieWearingFool

Uh, if Trinity did so much good to help the homeless and the Wizard of Uhhhs was a community organizer, why are there still any homeless in Chicago?

Uh, can someone explain this?

"Wizard of Uhhhhs"...LOL! That is Hilarious!

734 vagabond trader  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:57:35pm

Notice how he panders by mentioning that some churches are anti gay. Wonder why he didn't bring up the fact that many more are anti abortion.What a weak sister is this Obama.

735 Ma Sands  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:57:48pm

re: #730 mama winger

If he were not so black, he would have glowed, the blush was so hot.....

736 LeonidasOfSparta  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:58:23pm

re: #662 yenta-fada


Indeed. For a guy who runs under the banner of "CHANGE" he's all window dressing and no substance-- or as many said of Kerry in 2004 "ALL HAT and no cattle."

But like you said Yenta, he's worse than that because he's dangerous. He's not just some boob dogooder; he has a very calculated agenda and none of it is good.

AuldTrafford said, above, that NOW that he has distanced himself from Trinity the spotlight will be off of them-- and that is probably MORE to the liking of the priests and pastors who use that pulpit to spread Marxism and racial hatred.

BHUSSEIN you are a wussyman. At least stand up and say 'I'm a hardcore socialist with heavy Marxist leanings. Vote for me for those reasons."
But instead he's a pandering, lying, weak, wussified, nancypancy, who says whatever will make people in his audience LIKE him. Like John Kerry, really.

737 republic  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:58:39pm

re: #724 ted

"The lady doth protest too much"



Democrats restore Michigan, Clinton may challenge

May 31 07:29 PM US/Eastern

Democratic Party officials restored renegade state Michigan to its presidential convention Saturday with halved voting rights, but Hillary Clinton's camp said it may challenge the ruling.
The Democratic National committee's rules and bylaws committee voted 19 to 8 to restore the northern state, after earlier voting to reinstate Florida, which also broke party rules by bringing its primary forward to January.

Clinton, who won the primary, in which Obama's name was not on the ballot, will get 69 delegates, who will each only have half a vote in nominating the party's presidential nominee.

Obama will get 59 delegates, who will also have half a vote under the plan.

But Clinton's senior advisor Harold Ickes, who had argued that Obama should get no votes, said the former first lady's supporters had been hijacked.

"Mrs Clinton has instructed me to reserve her rights to take this to the credentials committee," Ickes said.

The committee is due to meet in July as preparations accelerate for the party convention.

The rules and bylaws panel earlier voted 27-0 for the compromise Florida plan, which will give primary winner Clinton a net gain of 19 delegates to the convention but leave her well behind Barack Obama in the total delegate count.

The plan will see all the state's delegates , and superdelegates (top party officials) restored, but they will each have only half a vote at the convention in Denver in August to crown the party's presidential challenger.

At a fiercely contested meeting at a Washington hotel, the committee earlier rejected Clinton's bid to have the Florida delegation seated in full.

Clinton's angry supporters chanted "Denver, Denver" demanding the row be taken to the party convention in August and "Madame President" "Madame President."

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

"Operation Chaos"

Gotta hand it to Rush.

738 mama winger  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:58:48pm

re: #735 Ma Sands

If he were not so black, he would have glowed, the blush was so hot.....

Hopefully his speech will turn up on YouTube so I can get a second look.

Embarassed by the cross.

739 Blitherakt  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:58:54pm

re: #727 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Actually, racism is a social construct. It has nothing whatsoever to do with DNA, but with dominant nations instead.

Sorry, should have put the tags in.

740 Ma Sands  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:59:09pm

re: #738 mama winger

Yes.

741 JustMyView  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:59:30pm

re: #470 trailortrash

this is turning out to be the most informative press coverage of this guy i have seen yet.
i can completely understand cnn and msnbc not showing this.

MSNBC doesn't usually have news coverage on the weekends. It's generally hour after hour of weird shows about life in prison. Their live coverage today of the DNC meetings was an exception.

742 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:59:39pm
743 pat  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:59:42pm

tsk tsk. Gave in to the man. The bro ain't black enough.

744 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:59:56pm

re: #732 Blitherakt

Wouldn't that work out to six tenths?

Who will note the irony?

745 itellu3times  Sat, May 31, 2008 5:59:58pm

re: #696 secsailor

Can someone please explain to me why he's not the laughing stock of the country right now?

I thought Kerry was bad. I thought Hillary and Bill were worse. The Democrats have really out done themselves this time!

Hey, don't forget Algore!

But don't worry, back in the Republican medialabs they're compiling this all for use at the appropriate time.

If the rumored tape of Michelle screaming "get whitey!" comes out, that will be the crowning glory.

746 Blitherakt  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:00:24pm

re: #733 obscured by clouds

"Wizard of Uhhhhs"...LOL! That is Hilarious!

I missed that one! Can I petition to change my username?

747 ted  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:00:26pm

re: #737 republic

Yup..Rush nailed her and BHO to the cross.

748 nacazo  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:00:36pm

re: #357 mean Gene

Has anyone heard him mention Jesus?
By name?
He says ''Christian'' like it is a vaccination.

I saw a video where he says "I'm a devout christian"

Real christians don't say that. Real christians would say they are christians and leave to other people or God to determine if they're devout or not.

749 sparrowlake  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:00:43pm

re: #722 Ma Sands

Two things I noticed:

-- he did more than um and hem and haw.....he actually at one point broke out into stuttering! --repeated the same sound 5-6 times!

-- after saying Christ died for us, he turned bright red 'til the subject turned a moment later.

Taquiyya is bright red.

750 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:00:53pm

re: #741 JustMyView

MSNBC doesn't usually have news coverage on the weekends. It's generally hour after hour of weird shows about life in prison. Their live coverage today of the DNC meetings was an exception.

Reasonable answer. But how bout splainin' to us the lack of CNN coverage.

751 Dianna  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:00:56pm

re: #733 obscured by clouds

That's a question that should be directed at all the homeless services. Really. To say nothing of the "youth employment" people, and so on.

752 mama winger  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:01:01pm

I really do have to go eat. Thank you all for such a wonderful conversation tonight.

753 USA  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:01:22pm
"Only one of the two following options may be true; for the past twenty years Senator Obama was a member of a church fellowship that was the foundation of his spiritual and moral reasoning -- or -- he sat in the pew of Trinity United Church simply for the political gain such relationships could bring.

"If Trinity United Church was simply a club to improve Obama's standing in the community, then he is consistent in discarding his membership today, when such gain is gone.

"But if his church membership was truly spiritual -- then this action shows a fundamental lack of integrity. Obama's resignation of membership in Trinity United Church demonstrates that he will trade even on his faith for political advantage.

"As voters, the American people must ask Obama, as president, what closely held value will he trade away next time."


Link

754 itellu3times  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:01:28pm

This is really turning into the new golden age of politics.

Fools gold maybe, but hey.

755 Blitherakt  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:01:34pm

re: #744 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Who will note the irony?

Uhm... Wow... My maths are sucking.

756 Tarkus289  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:01:56pm

Check out the angry white woman, Hillary supporter on Drudge.

757 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:02:09pm

Tzipi Livni: terrorist-hunter secret of woman tipped to lead Israel

The frontrunner to become Israel’s next prime minister, Tzipi Livni, was a Paris agent for Mossad, Israel’s overseas intelligence agency, in the early 1980s when it ran a series of missions to kill Palestinian terrorists in European capitals, according to former colleagues.

They say Livni, now foreign minister, was on active service when Mamoun Meraish, a senior official in the Palestine Liberation Organisation, was shot dead by a Mossad hit squad in Athens on August 21, 1983. She was not directly involved in the killing, in which two young men on a motorcycle drew alongside Meraish’s car and opened fire, but her role in Mossad remains secret.

/cool

758 pingjockey  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:02:10pm

Hannity starting off with the circus at the DNC.

759 USBeast  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:02:42pm

It's interesting to note that it took the ravings of a white preacher denouncing a white woman to finally convince B. O. that he needed to find another church.

One wonders what his reaction would have been had the new pastor of that church delivered the same message.

760 Tarkus289  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:02:43pm

null
The link.

761 Dolphin  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:02:48pm

re: #748 nacazo

I saw a video where he says "I'm a devout christian"

Real christians don't say that. Real christians would say they are christians and leave to other people or God to determine if they're devout or not.

No. True Christians don't have to say anything. They just live by example.

762 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:02:52pm

re: #725 Nevergiveup

So let me get the order right:

1) You whitey racists don't get it and I could no more denounce...
2) I never knew Rev Wright was like that and he is out of there anyway
3) Rev Who? What 20 years?
4) There's a new pastor in town. Move on.
5) " And that's all folks" I'm out of there!

"N-G-U" -

Are all 'y'all suggesting the "PORKY PIG AWARD" for Sen . Obama? NOT KOSHER/HALAL!

-S-

763 whisker away  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:03:04pm

any chance that Obama is just a well played distraction before Hill gets the nomination? any?

764 Former Belgian  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:03:07pm

re: #658 pingjockey

Bill Ayres should be stood against a wall and shot by a firing squad. He was and is a traitor, not someone to be associated with a presidential campaign.

Why do you think he got off so lightly? (I'm not talking about the fact that he's a "distinguished professor" [puke, puke] at the University of Illinois at Chicago.)

He wasn't just a scumbag, he was a scumbag with a VERY rich and well-connected father (CEO of Commonwealth Edison).

Here is his Wikipedia entry:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Incidentally, as I read this article, it occurred to me that the American hard left succeeded in doing something I believed impossible: making me hate the very phrase "social justice". Of course, in their "turnspeak", it has become a codephrase for policies that are neither social nor just.

765 itellu3times  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:03:36pm

re: #757 Killian Bundy

Tzipi Livni: terrorist-hunter secret of woman tipped to lead Israel

But haven't her politics been pretty Olmert-esque?

766 FrogMarch  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:03:44pm

The modern democrat party is pathetic.

But this is COMEDY GOLD.

767 LeonidasOfSparta  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:03:57pm

I can hardly wait to hear what SCALDING remarks WIFEY-Hussein will have for everyone in this "MEAN nation" of which she has only recently become proud.

768 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:04:06pm

re: #729 jcm

jcm -

In my part of the 'hood - CHANGE is in The Pocket. That is all.

-S-

769 Blitherakt  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:04:13pm

re: #755 Blitherakt

Uhm... Wow... My maths are sucking.

Or, no they're not...

Methinks you speak of the 3/5's in the Constitution irony?

770 pingjockey  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:04:26pm

re: #764 Former Belgian
Thanks for the link.

771 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:04:27pm
772 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:04:39pm

re: #755 Blitherakt

Uhm... Wow... My maths are sucking.

Six Tenths. Hmmm...

773 Crepuscular Prick  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:04:42pm

Obama is just trying to prove to the rules committee that he has as little regard for his black constituents as the DNC has.

774 Dianna  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:04:44pm

re: #763 whisker away

I don't know. It doesn't seem likely at this point.

It's weird stuff, isn't it?

775 The Other Les  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:05:08pm

re: #747 ted

Yup..Rush nailed her and BHO to the cross.

Wow Ted, that's a good choice of words.

It's not often we get to see someone crucify himself of live television.

776 JustMyView  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:05:35pm

re: #750 unrealizedviewpoint

Reasonable answer. But how bout splainin' to us the lack of CNN coverage.

I don't really know what their usual practice is, but my impression is that they generally spend a lot of time rerunning shows that have been rebroadcast previously--Larry King, Lou Dobbs, and other stuff. Again, I don't really know what their usual practice is in terms of covering breaking news on weekends.

777 Dianna  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:05:43pm

re: #771 song_and_dance_man

Surely the bloom is off the rose?

778 whisker away  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:06:00pm

re: #774 Dianna

far from over too...

779 sngnsgt  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:06:06pm

I can't wait to listen to Rush and Hannity Monday, the Sunday shows should be good too, that is of course, after my Sunday morning waffle breakfast!

780 Sharmuta  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:06:11pm

re: #737 republic

"Mrs Clinton has instructed me to reserve her rights to take this to the credentials committee," Ickes said.

Go, Hill, go! Never surrender!

781 Blitherakt  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:06:26pm

re: #772 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Six Tenths. Hmmm...

I find it ironic that the Democrats are rating the votes at less than the 3/5 Compromise.

We're on the same page, you just made me drag up fractions from many years ago. :)

782 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:06:32pm

re: #771 song_and_dance_man

"sadm" -

"Mmmmm - WAFFLES! - Homer Simpson.

-S-

783 vagabond trader  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:06:33pm

re: #767 LeonidasOfSparta

A pity no one has the nerve to ask either of them tough questions, because there's a lotta pent up anger ready to blow.

784 Carolyn  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:06:35pm

OK...to sum it up...
He quit the church he has belonged to for 20 years because all the right-wing blogs kept telling what is going on in TUCC.
Heh. Power to the right people.

785 Dianna  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:06:41pm

re: #775 The Other Les

I thought he did that with the first speech about Wright. It was certainly excruciating for me.

786 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:07:09pm

re: #765 itellu3times

But haven't her politics been pretty Olmert-esque?

/same party

787 nacazo  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:07:14pm

re: #446 mama winger

He can join the Church of Oprah.

No. He's thinking of founding the Church of Obama. The Obamians will open a temple to the Obamessiah in every city of America.

788 itellu3times  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:07:20pm

Short blurb and clip of Obama's speech ("I do this with some sadness") on ABC local news, Los Angelees.

789 Nevergiveup  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:07:22pm

re: #757 Killian Bundy

Tzipi Livni: terrorist-hunter secret of woman tipped to lead Israel

/cool

Maybe. Maybe. There is just one problem with a "Black Box" resume. It's big black hole of uncertainty. She may be the "Jamie Bond" of the Mossad. On the other hand she may also have been the "Georgetta Tenet" of the Mossad. Her resume as Foreign Minister is also mixed at best. Be careful what you wish for?

790 ted  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:07:25pm

Today, even though the Demorats tried to hush it up, put 2 more bolts into their coffin. I hope McCain is having himself a nice Scotch on the rocks.

791 republic  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:07:26pm

re: #753 USA


"As voters, the American people must ask Obama, as president, what closely held value will he trade away next time."

Well, he says that he's for the rights of sportsman and hunters, and that he doesn't want to take away law abiding firearms owners guns, while his voting record since in politics is 100% anti-firearms, and those votes have all been 100% anti-firearm, for law abiding citizens.

The man voted against homeowners in Illinois being allowed to use a firearm in their own homes for self defense.

The man has never voted for legislation which would punish criminals who use firearms, his voting record has attacked law abiding gun owners 100%.

792 LeonidasOfSparta  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:07:45pm

re: #749 sparrowlake

have you ever heard Mark Levin's compilation of hems haws and stutters? This one will be quite an addition to his collection.

793 tokyobk  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:07:56pm

BTW, some mentioned his grammar being wrong but in this case he was saying "...a decision Michelle and I had..." so it is obviously not Michelle and me, that would be correct. So I guess he did learn something at Harvard besides how to charm rich white people.

Anyway, I do think this is a low point for him but I am sure those who yell at him for throwing Trinity under the bus would also be the loudest to cry out if he did not.

794 Dianna  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:08:03pm

re: #778 whisker away

I was observing to my Male that it was getting crowded under Obama's bus already, and he hasn't even secured the nomination, yet. No, this isn't over. At the rate he's going, there's going to be more people under Obama's bus than riding on it.

795 Nevergiveup  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:08:21pm

re: #762 Dr. Shalit

"N-G-U" -

Are all 'y'all suggesting the "PORKY PIG AWARD" for Sen . Obama? NOT KOSHER/HALAL!

-S-

If the hoof fits....

796 ishabibble  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:08:33pm

re: #736 LeonidasOfSparta

BHUSSEIN you are a wussyman. At least stand up and say 'I'm a hardcore socialist with heavy Marxist leanings. Vote for me for those reasons."
But instead he's a pandering, lying, weak, wussified, nancypancy, who says whatever will make people in his audience LIKE him. Like John Kerry, really.


Well, that's just it, isn't it? Barry will have to lie his way in, because if he revealed who he really is, he'd be out on his ear. Hillary has to lie and say that she has moved to the center, and still can't win (although grudging respect for her campaigning). McCain is the only honest person in this race. Rather sad, really.

797 The Other Les  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:08:56pm

re: #787 nacazo

No. He's thinking of founding the Church of Obama. The Obamians will open a temple to the Obamessiah in every city of America.

Here's a song for them.

Youtube Video

798 jcm  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:09:07pm

re: #768 Dr. Shalit

jcm -

In my part of the 'hood - CHANGE is in The Pocket. That is all.

-S-

LOL!

799 vagabond trader  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:09:57pm

re: #793 tokyobk

Are the Japanese still hating on Jews? Just curious, I had read that they have this weird antisemitic thing going on there.

800 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:10:26pm

re: #781 Blitherakt

I find it ironic that the Democrats are rating the votes at less than the 3/5 Compromise.

We're on the same page, you just made me drag up fractions from many years ago. :)

I do think it's really ironic and pathetic that the party that claims they represent minorities against the scourge of conservatism would parcel out that many people like charity handouts.

801 Carolyn  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:10:39pm

re: #784 Carolyn

OK...to sum it up...
He quit the church he has belonged to for 20 years because all the right-wing blogs kept telling what is going on in TUCC.
Heh. Power to the right people.

I meant to put scare quotes around "right wing"

802 Ma Sands  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:10:43pm

re: #787 nacazo

You been reading end time prophecies? If what you say, happens, it won't stop at U.S. borders.

803 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:11:32pm
804 Blitherakt  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:11:41pm

re: #800 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I do think it's really ironic and pathetic that the party that claims they represent minorities against the scourge of conservatism would parcel out that many people like charity handouts.

Indeed.

805 yenta-fada  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:11:47pm

re: #677 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Re Obama's 'flexible liberalism'. You can be so open-minded that your brains fall out.

Obama looks for these angry father-figures and mimics them. He has such a fragile ego structure that he is unaware of his own anger. He
blames others for his hollow identity. Sorry that sounds like complete jargon, but this man lies to HIMSELF. I believe that his life is constantly recreated in Barry's own mind. There's no center. He's dangerous for America and the rest of the world. The 'uniter' has already caused increased racial tension in the U.S.

806 itellu3times  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:11:57pm

re: #780 Sharmuta

"Mrs Clinton has instructed me to reserve her rights to take this to the credentials committee," Ickes said.

Go, Hill, go! Never surrender!

What if she says
She's not like the others,
What if she says she's not just another one in the race?
He's the pretender
What if she says she will never surrender?

/the obama fighters

807 sngnsgt  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:12:30pm

CHANGE..erm, ahh, umm, I ah, REVERENDS!

808 republic  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:12:35pm

re: #800 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I do think it's really ironic and pathetic that the party that claims they represent minorities against the scourge of conservatism would parcel out that many people like charity handouts.

"EVERY VOTE MUST BE COUNTED, ENDLESSLY"

Florida 2000

My how times have changed.

809 Blitherakt  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:12:36pm

re: #805 yenta-fada

You can be so open-minded that your brains fall out.

That is priceless! May I steal that?

810 tokyobk  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:12:48pm

re: #799 vagabond trader

Are the Japanese still hating on Jews? Just curious, I had read that they have this weird antisemitic thing going on there.


I would say there is a weird philosemitism of the variety that does not ultimately help much and perpetuates anti-semitism.

When Japanese spin theories like Jews control the world economy, they next sentence is usually something like, "how can we Japanese learn to be as smart and successful as the Jews, despite our tiny numbers."

It is very hard to explain that in this context of anti-semitism (which Japanese are largely oblivious to) that those kind of 'compliments' are not so useful.

811 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:12:59pm

re: #805 yenta-fada

Re Obama's 'flexible liberalism'. You can be so open-minded that your brains fall out.

Obama looks for these angry father-figures and mimics them. He has such a fragile ego structure that he is unaware of his own anger. He
blames others for his hollow identity. Sorry that sounds like complete jargon, but this man lies to HIMSELF. I believe that his life is constantly recreated in Barry's own mind. There's no center. He's dangerous for America and the rest of the world. The 'uniter' has already caused increased racial tension in the U.S.

Do you think he'll take a trip to Iraq? I don't.

812 AZfederalist  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:13:32pm

re: #475 jcm

Now *that* was funny

813 LeonidasOfSparta  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:13:35pm

re: #797 The Other Les


LMAO good song in keeping with the situation, Les.

814 TruGrit  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:13:49pm

I think this is just one more step away from the white house for Barry. I mean, this is a church he's been a member of for 20 years. People aren't going to forget that. By quitting, I think he is trying to save his sinking ship. We'll see if the media actually give this story the coverage it deserves.

On a related note, you know if McCain had quit his church over remarks made there, the media would be commenting about how awful and bad he was, how he was running out on an organization that he had previously supported. We'll obviously have to wait and see if that shows up. My take? Don't hold your breath.

815 The Other Les  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:13:54pm

Cha, Cha, Cha, Changes!

Youtube Video

816 itellu3times  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:15:28pm

re: #793 tokyobk

Anyway, I do think this is a low point for him but I am sure those who yell at him for throwing Trinity under the bus would also be the loudest to cry out if he did not.

Huh?

The black liberationists would yell at him for throwing Trinity, they would certainly not cry out if he stayed there.

But I guess we know what you meant, those who SNEER at him for throwing Trinity, would SNEER at him loudest if he did not. But the historic fault remains in either case, maybe he's making his best move, no matter how weak it is.

817 ContraJihadi  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:15:33pm

re: #718 tokyobk

You listen to his cognitively void raptures on change--We are who we have been waiting for!--and don't consider him grandiose?

Pardon me, but I think you need to reconsider.

Statesmen tip their hands on such grave matters as troop withdrawals and "unconditional" (his word) negotiations with insane tyrants?

God save our constitutional republic if they do.

I really don't understand your thinking at all.

He is his own man, but if his prescriptions demonstrate his ideas, they are far to socialistic for the health of this nation. He has, however, benefited from a supine and fawning media that until recently hasn't shown much in the way of criticism at all. No sane person can fail to recognize this fact.

He or his backers do possess sagacious skills at organization (perhaps learned at the feet of Saul Alinsky), but I wouldn't go so far as to say they manifest any particular genius, any more than his tenure as Editor of the Harvard Law Review, which did not achieve because of his superior grades, was a function of genius.

I don't know what a Kennedy-Carter president may be; Michelle might, pondering one night on the ramparts of the White House and seeing the ghost of Marilyn Monroe and on next opening a refrigerator full of Billy Beer, find that daunting; but I certainly hope we never find out.

818 FrogMarch  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:16:23pm

If SNL weren't air america for late-nite tv - just ponder the comedy that could be extracted. mind boggling.

819 USBeast  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:16:28pm

I can hear the serpent voice of Bill Clinton hissing in Hillary's ear: "He will self-destruct..."

820 Ornery Ballsack  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:17:29pm

re: #793 tokyobk

In his response to the last question, BHO responded "Uhhh..now...but I also think...it's also got to be...you know..a personal decision for Michelle...and I....uhhh.....to find somebody who reflects..... a wisdom that ultimately is about reconciliation and unifying people".

821 tokyobk  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:18:13pm

re: #814 TruGrit

I think this is just one more step away from the white house for Barry. I mean, this is a church he's been a member of for 20 years. People aren't going to forget that. By quitting, I think he is trying to save his sinking ship. We'll see if the media actually give this story the coverage it deserves.
blockquote>

I do not like Obama as a President. I agree he is a fruity liberal with dangerous whackos that he surrounded himself in an insecure need to obtain authenticity, a need whichalone ought to disqualify him.

However, I will be saying all the way to November that I think some of you here are smoking crack, figuratively of course, when it comes to Obama and are like liberals in the early 80`s who could not see what was happening right in front of them with Reagan, still chiding him as a B-Movie actor.

Obama ship is not sinking. In all likelyhood, its landing on Pennsylvania avenue.

822 whisker away  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:18:22pm

lesser students of the art of misdirection will see this for what it is/was...later. mesmerising, isn't it?

823 nacazo  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:18:40pm

re: #584 LeftJustAintRight

Is he going to denounce Mo next ?

That may get my vote... Not likely though. Can you imagine the outrage.... in Pakistan, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia....

by a supposed apostate no least...

824 tokyobk  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:19:01pm

re: #816 itellu3times

But I guess we know what you meant, those who SNEER at him for throwing Trinity, would SNEER at him loudest if he did not. But the historic fault remains in either case, maybe he's making his best move, no matter how weak it is.

Right. Becuase for good reasons many here do not like him no matter what.

825 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:20:51pm

OK Everyone -

Re: PM Olmert

In the US, what he did IS a crime - see: Bill Clinton, 1996. In Israel, maybe, or maybe NOT - certainly an embarassment/shonda. Rabin was sacked because Mrs. Rabin had a local DC account - with the former RIGGS National Bank to pay household expenses. So did I, when I lived in the DC Area. Olmert IS venal - too bad. Perhaps, Ms. Livni can be a "Golda" or a "Thatcher" - if SO - GREAT. If NOT, the Israeli population will find an answer.

-S-

826 AZfederalist  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:22:04pm

re: #554 JustMyView

Opposition to homosexuality on scriptural grounds is certainly an orthodox Christian position. Doesn't mean that Christians hate or harass homosexuals, but believe the practice is sinful and wrong.
So, even when Obama gets it right, he gets it wrong.

827 sparrowlake  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:23:09pm

re: #792 LeonidasOfSparta

have you ever heard Mark Levin's compilation of hems haws and stutters? This one will be quite an addition to his collection.


goodbyes and lies

828 yenta-fada  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:24:58pm

re: #809 Blitherakt

It was in a joke a friend sent, but you have my permission to use it. (Especially when discussing BHO)

829 Grammy Cracker  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:27:26pm

GOOD EVENING, LIZARDS!

It was Mexican food night at the Cracker household (yes, typical white people like it, too!), and Grammy has had two margaritas, so please confirm that I'm reading this correctly...

Barry has just resigned his church because WE won't stop associating him with the racist rantings of the assorted *ministers* who delivered sermons there? Whilst he and the WAB sat in the pews. For twenty years.

It's OUR fault? Typical....

830 Blitherakt  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:27:52pm

re: #828 yenta-fada

It was in a joke a friend sent, but you have my permission to use it. (Especially when discussing BHO)

Thanks!

I'm thinking I'll use it for the liberal mindset in its entirety.

831 Blitherakt  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:28:31pm

re: #829 Grammy Cracker

GOOD EVENING, LIZARDS!

It was Mexican food night at the Cracker household (yes, typical white people like it, too!), and Grammy has had two margaritas, so please confirm that I'm reading this correctly...

Barry has just resigned his church because WE won't stop associating him with the racist rantings of the assorted *ministers* who delivered sermons there? Whilst he and the WAB sat in the pews. For twenty years.

It's OUR fault? Typical....

I would characterize that as an accurate assessment, yes.

832 Former Belgian  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:28:42pm

re: #315 LeftJustAintRight

I heard he was converting to Judaism
A Muslim Jew
Dinner Jacket will not like that

If he converts, it will probably be into some Sha`arei Gaia congregation run by some rabbi Birkenstock whose conversion ritual will consist of making him eat organic bagels and cream cheese.

re: #799 vagabond trader

Are the Japanese still hating on Jews? Just curious, I had read that they have this weird antisemitic thing going on there.

Mrs. Former Belgian lived there for years. There are a few towns with Jewish communities (Tokyo, Kobe), and we actually know Japanese who converted. She never experienced personal antisemitism --- people were very friendly (how sincere such friendliness is is hard to tell with any Japanese ;-)) but never let her (or any non-Japanese, for that matter) forget she was "gaijin".

There is also a group of Japanese Christian Zionists called Makuya or something. They (or another group like them) have a theory that the Japanese themselves are actually the lost tribe of Zevulun/Zebulon.

At the other extreme, there are undoubtedly Japanese who believe in "Protocols" type conspiracy theories. A magazine named "Marco Polo" published some Shoah denial stuff, and following an international outcry was closed down. (Generally, if the Japanese do something at all, they don't do it by halves.)

During WW II there was a weird episode where a number of Jewish refugees ended up first in Shanghai (then Japanese-occupied), then on the Japanese mainland. Japanese officials believed the various conspiracy theories about Jewish world domination, and tried to sort-of establish contact with the fictitious "Elders of Zion". There is a book called "the Fugu Plan" by Marvin Tokayer describing the episode. ("Fugu" is the notorious Japanese fish that is supposedly delicious if properly prepared, but lethal otherwise.)

833 sparrowlake  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:30:00pm

re: #825 Dr. Shalit

OK Everyone -
Perhaps, Ms. Livni can be a "Golda" or a "Thatcher".

If she ventilated some terrorists as a Mossad agent, she will get all my love.

834 yenta-fada  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:30:38pm

re: #811 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Will Obama go to Iraq? Why not? They will surround him with protection and he can charm the soldiers. Because it involves no personal danger and will appear to "unite", I expect Barry to do just about anything.

835 Grammy Cracker  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:30:39pm

re: #831 Blitherakt

I would characterize that as an accurate assessment, yes.

Thanks! I was concerned the tequila might be affecting my comprehension....not used to liquor anymore!

/Grammy's really more of a wino....

836 yenta-fada  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:31:39pm

re: #830 Blitherakt

Glad to be helpful in the war against moonbattery. :-)

837 nacazo  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:32:43pm

re: #700 sparrowlake

It's magical.

No way.... That bus has the American flag painted over itself. That's not obamic.

838 Former Belgian  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:39:49pm

re: #810 tokyobk

I would say there is a weird philosemitism of the variety that does not ultimately help much and perpetuates anti-semitism.

When Japanese spin theories like Jews control the world economy, they next sentence is usually something like, "how can we Japanese learn to be as smart and successful as the Jews, despite our tiny numbers."

It is very hard to explain that in this context of anti-semitism (which Japanese are largely oblivious to) that those kind of 'compliments' are not so useful.

There's a related, but different, phenomenon with Chinese. Chinese will sometimes tell you "the Jews are the Chinese of the West" :-)

Quite amusingly, Chinese are totally puzzled when they find out practicing Jews won't eat certain things, while the Japanese I met were somewhat more understanding.

839 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:43:44pm

re: #799 vagabond trader

Are the Japanese still hating on Jews? Just curious, I had read that they have this weird antisemitic thing going on there.

"v-t" -

Does the name "Prince Konoye" mean anything to all 'y'all. Like Hirohito's first cousin, give or take. Actually committed Hiri-Kiri to protect Hirohito, though he didn't have to, the "Deal" was already done - and nobody told him. Konoye was a proper "Samurai-Saxon" of his time. He absorbed the European Anti-Semitism of his time as a required "osmosis." Fortunately, for the Jews if NOT the Chinese, or other "Europeans" - there were people in the Japanese Foreign Office who actually remembered 1905. German-Jewish Bankers in New York financed the Japanese War against Russia - apart from making a few dollars - Wonder Why? - I Don't, they were able to give the Czar a "PAYBACK for POGROMS" - and that's the way it was!

-S-

840 JustMyView  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:45:54pm

re: #826 AZfederalist

Opposition to homosexuality on scriptural grounds is certainly an orthodox Christian position. Doesn't mean that Christians hate or harass homosexuals, but believe the practice is sinful and wrong.
So, even when Obama gets it right, he gets it wrong.

Right, it's a doctrinal issue, and most mainstream churches take a "hate the sin, love the sinner" approach. But some churches, especially black Protestant churches, are more hostile.

841 joecitizen  Sat, May 31, 2008 6:59:50pm

re: #648 tokyobk

I never said he was a great candidate, but a great politician, and likely I will vote for McCain. He is indeed a gifted politician who is as underestimated by many on LGF as he is overestimated by the MSM.

He has handled this situation terribly, a true neophyte. AWFUL. F-.

I also always said he would go 'white' in the general and this is part of it. But yes, even as a mild kool-aid drinker, I think this shows all of the terrible qualities many here point out and yes the MSM will run interference for him.

if this dickhead was a great politician he wouldn't find himself any where near the position he finds himself in...you,tokyo,have been pointed to many different examples of your obamassiahs ineptness over the last couple of weeks and refuse to see the empty leftist suit standing right in front of you and frankly,your one note bullshit is wearing thin...vote for McCain or don't vote for Mccain but really,I believe tour refusal to give it up approaches troll behavior...

842 profitsbeard  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:14:03pm

Obama is now going to join The House of Pancakes.

843 ciaospirit  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:22:20pm

re: #824 tokyobk

Right. Becuase for good reasons many here do not like him no matter what.

So which is it "for good reasons" or "do not like him no matter what?" Sounds like a cheap shot.

844 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:34:02pm

re: #843 ciaospirit

"ciao" -

I would - PREFERABLY - "love to love him." (thank you Lennon-McCartney!)
My problem with OBAMA - Bottom Line - is that he is an Economic Socialist, bad enough, and further/worse, a "Blame America Firster" - which seals my (ANTI) Deal with him. "Black" is NO PROBLEM with me, Thomas Sowell or Justice Thomas wouldn't worry me as President. Obama Does!

-S-

845 tokyobk  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:55:56pm

re: #841 joecitizen

if this dickhead was a great politician he wouldn't find himself any where near the position he finds himself in.....

You mean having totally defeated the Clintons and thought by many to be poised to beat McCain.

Forget about me being a troll or not for a second and think about what you are saying. And think about the best way to defeat a hated enemy. Do you think underestimating him is a good start. This is my exact point about Reagan and liberals. They refused to see him as anything but a B-actor playing on racial fears and warmongering.

Obama is tremendously skilled politician.

846 tokyobk  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:58:43pm

re: #841 joecitizen

your one note bullshit is wearing thin...

By the way, as in my profile, I have three notes! But I am thinking about adding a fourth: "Obama underestimation is a dangerous form of denial."

847 joecitizen  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:06:17pm

re: #845 tokyobk

You mean having totally defeated the Clintons and thought by many to be poised to beat McCain.

Forget about me being a troll or not for a second and think about what you are saying. And think about the best way to defeat a hated enemy. Do you think underestimating him is a good start. This is my exact point about Reagan and liberals. They refused to see him as anything but a B-actor playing on racial fears and warmongering.

Obama is tremendously skilled politician.

moronic,as usual..

848 grumpy old codger  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:47:26pm

OT

Does anyone know if RealWest got his questions answered?

849 LeonidasOfSparta  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 5:56:45am

re: #847 joecitizen

tokyobk:

He's not a skilled politician. Hillary Clinton is a "skilled politician".

BHusssein a skilled liar. Slimy. Oily. Slick. Makes the Exxon Valdese appear insignificant by comparison.

He's so radical-Islam in his adroit and skilled lying and "dancing around spilling pretty rhetoric that has no meaning" that I would dare to say he hasn't had a passing relation with Christianity or Christ in the full 20 years he claims to have been "converted."

I have only two words to describe BHussein. Sleeper MOLE.

And I will go a step further and say that since 2004 the EXAGGERATED focus on "Muslim rights" in America and the election of Keith Ellison, the ACLU's pandering to Muslims, and the prominence of CAIR all point to the path our nation is being pushed to accept...culminating in the election of a MUSLIM to the Oval Office which is what radical Islam has been chanting about for 6 years.

STOP BHUSSEIN FROM BEING ELECTED!

850 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 6:20:30am
851 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 6:22:10am
852 Shr_Nfr  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 8:26:57am

re: #90 Sharmuta

It was sort of a pressing concern for him you see...

853 Shr_Nfr  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 8:59:11am

re: #845 tokyobk

Unfortunately so was Hitler. Not that I am saying that Obama is Hitler, I am not. However, the dynamics are not so terribly different. Both gained power through eloquent speech on a racist blame the other guy platform and when push came to shove they threw their supporters under the bus. [As you may remember Hitler carried out a pogrom on a lot of his brownshirts in which he literally had them assassinated.] Obama is not the psychopath that Hitler was. To give him the benefit of the doubt, I think he means well [but to some extent Hitler did in his own warped way due to the "stab in the back" theory of why German lost WW 1]. But expedience seems to be Obama's modus along with the far left views of his mother. He is horridly naive on most things and has not had the "black" experience of most of the "blacks" in this country have had given his ancestry. As a kid 50 years ago, I did the tour de churches as part of our sunday school class. We attended one of the local black churches in the area. There were people standing up and talking about their grandparents who were slaves. Obama has none of that. His shared experience is largely vicarious. Not to say that there are not a lot of blacks who would not vote for Satan himself if he showed up as black (the same can be said of some whites), but sadly this does not bode well for racial relations in the future.

854 wanumba  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 6:43:01pm

re: #840 JustMyView

Right, it's a doctrinal issue, and most mainstream churches take a "hate the sin, love the sinner" approach. But some churches, especially black Protestant churches, are more hostile.


The other day, you claimed you didn't keep up with churches, but tonight, you abruptly have a more definitive stance and link to a WaPO Liberal Left attitude-laced article based on their usual formula, one disgruntled Black gay woman who left a conservative, Bible-based Black church becuase they didn't "affirm" or "support" what is taught as a sinful, as in self-destructive lifestyle, and found another so-called church with the fire alarm warning, "Unity" that threw out ALL the teachings of scripture to cater to a group of people who want the church to conform to THEM, not THEY conform TO the church.
Waay down in there, WaPo blandly admits beyond the scriptural issues of Black Churches lagging behind Liberally Left wussy churches, which in another universe outside the WaPo would be counted as a sign of GREATER WISDOM and FIDELITY to the Word of God, with the UNDERSTATEMENT of the YEAR:

In addition, black ministers reject the comparison of the gay rights struggle to the black civil rights struggle.


Ooh yeah. Gee, wonder why that would irritate them.


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