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The First Notes of Hillary's Swan Song

Sat, May 31, 2008 at 7:21:51 pm PDT

We all know it’s coming, we just don’t know when: Hillary Clinton to be offered dignified exit.

It’s clear that the Democratic Party believes a radical left candidate is their best chance to win the White House this year. Hillary’s just a little bit too sane. Under the bus with her.

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1 mikeinmd  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:22:59pm

when hell freezes over is my first thought.

2 elevenbravo1969  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:23:12pm

Adios!

3 Racer X  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:23:16pm

I would not count her out just yet.

4 Racer X  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:23:47pm

re: #1 mikeinmd

subtle.

5 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:23:50pm
Hillary Clinton to be offered dignified exit

/get out or it's under the bus you go

6 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:24:13pm

Will she stay on a binge till then?

7 Sharmuta  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:24:26pm

Don't go for it Hill! Never surrender!

8 mitthrawnurdo  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:25:04pm

re: #5 Killian Bundy

But I thought it wasn't over until the "Lady in the Pantsuit" said so?

/My mom swears that Hillary said something like this.

9 BingoBunny  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:25:15pm

Hillary will be dignified if she wins nomination.. otherwise she will be the Dems worst nightmare.

10 pat  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:25:32pm

In like a lion, out like a bitch.

11 MrArchieBunker  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:25:33pm

HHS Sec. Clinton? Oh man, that fire up the GOP base!

12 Shay4l  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:25:37pm

Well, if it requires her to be dignified, I guess they're out of luck

13 jaunte  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:25:48pm

Keep on fighting, Hillary.

14 WindHorse  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:25:53pm

where I come from....

Pants suits never quit.....

(just remember that Hillary.... just remember...)

15 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:25:55pm
16 Sharmuta  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:25:59pm

Don't go for it Hill. He's half white- don't trust whitey!

17 Israel4ever  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:26:09pm

I can't believe I almost feel a little bit bad for Hillary. I mean, to be treated like that by your own party after being such a good moonbat.
OT - I hope McCain picks Jindal.

18 UberInfidel67  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:26:35pm

I hope the hell she stays in! I would rather see her vs McCain than the Obamessiah! Holy cow....I will hide under the covers if she quits. But she seems like a snotty bitch....hopefully she tells the Dem party to GFT. I fear Obamessiah more than I fear her.

JMHO

19 MrArchieBunker  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:26:44pm

Preview is your friend: HHS Sec. Clinton? Oh man, that will fire up the GOP base!

20 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:26:47pm

I have a feeling the Clintons have a whopper coming by the end of the summer and the Messiah will be the target.

21 DesertSage  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:26:56pm
The former First Lady would get the chance to pilot Mr Obama’s reforms of the American healthcare system if she agrees to clear the path to his nomination as Democratic presidential candidate.

Not again. Haven't we already been through this once?

22 mitthrawnurdo  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:27:04pm

re: #15 song_and_dance_man

Liquor works too.

23 mitthrawnurdo  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:27:26pm

re: #21 DesertSage

Two socialists are better than one!

24 pat  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:27:46pm

She was an idiot. She never went for Obama's throat. She thought the GOP would. But McCain loves Dems more than his own party, what ever party that is.

25 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:27:52pm
26 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:27:54pm

When animals eat their own.

27 Brigman  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:28:07pm

not if this Harriet has anything to do with it....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KACQuZVAE3s

28 Sharmuta  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:28:24pm
Tentative contacts have already taken place between Obama and Clinton aides over the endgame, but there have been no formal talks.

obama's practicing for iran.

29 really grumpy big dog johnson  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:28:30pm

Hillary won't bow out until she's ushered off the convention floor in advance of the grand coronation. She plans on keeping that from happening. I would not bet against her, but I sure would bet against her party in November.

30 DesertSage  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:28:30pm

re: #23 mitthrawnurdo

Two socialists are better than one!

I've seen this movie before, it doesn't end well.

31 pat  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:29:19pm

Obama is such a weak and uneducated candidate they might have to pick her for VP.

32 nigella  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:29:28pm

Frankly, if she does this soon, she is stupid, and I don't think the Clintons are stupid. She must see that her opponent for the nomination is imploding and she isn't that far behind.I think there is still something out there about Obama that she knows exists and that is why she has stayed in this long. I believe she had hoped the Republicans would spring it so she hasn't unleashed it. My feeling is that she is trying to survive until the convention and hope someone else releases it.I know that is a conspiracy theory, but it seems the only explanation I can come up with for her to stay in this thing.

33 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:29:31pm
34 stevieray  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:29:47pm

Oh c'mon... Hillary ain't going near any kind of healthcare omnibus bill. Especially one where the putative president could abandon the bill and leave her twisting in the wind -- again -- over socialized medicine. That would make her look foolish, and drive the final, permanent nail in any future presidential aspirations. She'd be a dolt to take this offer.

35 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:30:27pm
36 really grumpy big dog johnson  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:30:43pm

re: #17 Israel4ever

I can't believe I almost feel a little bit bad for Hillary. I mean, to be treated like that by your own party after being such a good moonbat.
OT - I hope McCain picks Jindal.

Jindal is one vibrantly intelligent young man. I worry about experience with him, but my intuition says he has more sense in his pinky finger than Obama will ever have.

37 Anthony (Los Angeles)  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:30:45pm

There's no way Lady Macbeth would accept this offer, unless it were to sabotage Obama from the inside. I think she'd rather stay in the Senate and challenge him in 2012 if, Cthulhu forbid, he wins in '08.

38 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:30:59pm
39 Arkay  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:31:02pm

One recalls the man who gave instructions on the disposal of his mother-in-law's remains.

'Enbalm, cremate and bury. Take no chances!'

OTOH, the Obamanable Snowjob may, just *may*, turn into the biggest gafft, I mean gift, the GOP could ask for in this particular year. The man who can't remember how many states there are in the Union, who thinks the honored dead really want to hear him speak, who gives $20,000 to a racist church he runs away from at the last possible moment, may actually be beatable.

The problem I have is the messiah factor. Too many people think this joker can walk on water--it truly frightens me to think him with 60 senators and a Demo house.

40 Richard Romano  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:31:18pm

This is a real laugher -- here's a party that has created a whole host of victimization groups, and now they're reaping; it's going to be a nasty drive to Denver.

To add, the gaffes keep piling up, before they know it, the man will have a book of gaffes -- they are actually sowing the seeds of their landslide defeat in November...what will they do then?

41 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:31:21pm

Can Obama throw her under the bus before he ends up in Fort Marcy Park?

/June starts tomorrow, remember what happened to RFK

42 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:31:25pm

Hell no, she won't go! She's taking it to Denver.

43 DesertSage  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:31:27pm

re: #36 really grumpy big dog johnson

Jindal is one vibrantly intelligent young man. I worry about experience with him, but my intuition says he has more sense in his pinky finger than Obama will ever have.

And he speaks a whole lot better also.

44 elevenbravo1969  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:31:42pm

I can't wait for her to start campaigning for the 'anointed one.' I will be analyzing her every statement and calculating how painful it must have been for her to deliver it. I swear it's going to be as if she's pulling out her own fingernails one by one...and then starting in on her toenails. Hoo-hah!

45 solomonpanting  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:32:18pm
Another Democrat who has discussed strategy with friends in the Obama inner circle said that Mr Obama was openly considering asking Mrs Clinton to join his cabinet, alongside two other former presidential rivals: John Edwards, who is seen as a likely attorney general;

That alone is enough to not vote for Obama.

46 Sgt.Slappy  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:32:22pm

A less palatable democrat (B. Hussein Obama) may not necessarily be a bad thing if McCain is going to win this election. I only wish the Repubs could run a genuine conservative candidate.

Of course, if B. Hussein managed to win... God help us all.

47 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:32:24pm

re: #36 really grumpy big dog johnson

Jindal is one vibrantly intelligent young man. I worry about experience with him, but my intuition says he has more sense in his pinky finger than Obama will ever have.

Absolutely. If he can use Louisiana as his proving grounds and fix that broken mess of a socialist welfare state post Katrina his nomination would be assured. Forget Veep. Go all the way.

48 Sharmuta  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:33:24pm

She should active the Omega 13!

Never give up! Never surrender! Go, Hill, go!

49 rollingdivision  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:34:10pm

At one time I thought Clinton would be the easier Democrat to beat. Now, after much hard work by Obama, he has changed (he loves change!) my mind and I think he is the weaker. Hopefully, Clinton will be dissed to the point she keeps up the fight and takes this to the convention.

50 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:34:16pm

It's a strange state of affairs when Lizards root for Hillary.

51 nigella  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:34:40pm

Sharmuta I love Galaxy Quest. It's so funny because it is so Star trek, William Shatner.

52 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:34:55pm

re: #50 Who Watches the Watchmen?

It's a strange state of affairs when Lizards root for Hillary.

Sign of End Times.

no sarc.

53 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:35:07pm

I still hope they nominate Barry Waffles, but I'm loving the chaos.

54 Racer X  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:35:13pm

My prediction still stands. Hillary will not give up.

55 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:35:25pm
56 sngnsgt  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:35:40pm

Run Hillary run!

57 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:35:51pm

re: #50 Who Watches the Watchmen?

It's a strange state of affairs when Lizards root for Hillary.

Its a win win situation.

/she can't win, but she can still cause a lot of damage

58 Sharmuta  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:36:07pm
Informal talks have already begun between Obama and Clinton fundraisers to discuss a merger, enabling Mr Obama to pay off Mrs Clinton’s campaign debts of $11 million

Well- there is that. But all she needs is another book deal, so I don't see why she'd need to go for this.

59 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:36:57pm
60 sngnsgt  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:37:54pm

A Clinton dignified? Since when?

61 really grumpy big dog johnson  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:38:50pm

re: #47 Oh no...Sand People!

Absolutely. If he can use Louisiana as his proving grounds and fix that broken mess of a socialist welfare state post Katrina his nomination would be assured. Forget Veep. Go all the way.

I'd prefer that he had at least four years of seasoning first. But I am amazed by him. He makes Obama look like a shadow.

62 Yankee Division Son  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:38:57pm

Ah.. but will she accept said offer..

63 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:39:00pm

re: #60 sngnsgt

A Clinton dignified? Since when?

It depends on what 'is' is.

64 snowcrash  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:39:07pm

Hillary should fight to the end. She has been so dissed by the media and her party that a scorched earth policy doesn't seem out of the question.

65 Lively  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:39:28pm

Are we all gonna meek back here on Sunday to watch Trinity's church service. It should be lively.

66 opnion  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:39:45pm

re: #24 pat

She was an idiot. She never went for Obama's throat. She thought the GOP would. But McCain loves Dems more than his own party, what ever party that is.

I have to agree with the McCain comment, But he seems to really dislike Barry.
My guess is that McCain sees Obama as a less than loyal American. Whatever I think of him, he is a patriot.

67 Lively  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:39:59pm

re: #63 Oh no...Sand People!

It depends on what 'is' is.

It also depends on what "when" is.

68 JeremyR  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:40:45pm

re: #56 sngnsgt

Run Hillary run!

Is that sticker on the front bumper, or the back one?

69 ciaospirit  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:41:09pm

re: #31 pat

Obama is such a weak and uneducated candidate they might have to pick her for VP.

Not according to this Dem pollster in the article who gives us his all wise all knowing assessment of Hillary's defeat. (notice he says defeat as if it's a done deal)

In any case, Mr Mellman believes the decisive factor in her defeat was the one she couldn’t control. “The most important thing was that she was up against Barack Obama. He is enormously talented.”

70 MandyManners  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:41:40pm

re: #50 Who Watches the Watchmen?

It's a strange state of affairs when Lizards root for Hillary.

She's not nearly as scary as BHO.

71 itellu3times  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:41:40pm

re: #11 MrArchieBunker

HHS Sec. Clinton? Oh man, that fire up the GOP base!

Associate Supreme Court Justice Hillary R. Clinton

72 winston06  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:41:59pm

Obama is like New Hamshire's Ned Lamont in 2006 elections

73 Adrenalyn  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:42:02pm

I see Hitlerynot giving up
she will start her own party, like Ross Perot
to fuck Obama

she knows she has no viable chance ever again after this
and the old saying still goes
hell hath no fury like a woman scorned

she'll ruin him and the party
stay in the Senate until her term ends
and quietly leave public life

oh, and Bill Clinton will have a heart attack and die in there somewhere

74 David Simon  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:42:02pm
The former First Lady would get the chance to pilot Mr Obama’s reforms of the American healthcare system if she agrees to clear the path to his nomination as Democratic presidential candidate.

I just felt something run up my leg - and make a B line to my anus.

75 nigella  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:42:16pm

Look. I'm not rooting for Hillary in anyway, but Obama needed to be kept in this nomination fight for as long as possible. You can see what has happened because it has dragged on as long as it has. None of this stuff would have had a chance to come out. I'm sure the Clinton's have had a hand in the "leaks" about Wright,Ayres, etc.That being said it has been helpful to McCain. He is also not my favorite, but I will vote for him. I'm not sure who is more electable, Obama, or Hillary. If by some unfortunate turn of fate, Hillary gets the nod and beats McCain, I don't think she is as dangerous as the "messiah" BHO. Just my two cents worth.P.S, It made me gag just to say that about the Hildebeast.......

76 quickjustice  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:42:36pm

What, exactly, is a "dignified" exit? If she concedes defeat, will they hand her a plaque commending her valiant battle for the Democratic nomination? Or will they send flowers to her funeral? ;-)

77 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:42:48pm
78 sngnsgt  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:42:59pm

re: #63 Oh no...Sand People!

It depends on what 'is' is.

How about, Hillary Clinton 'is' NOT going to win the Democratic Nomination?

79 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:43:13pm

re: #74 David Simon

I just felt something run up my leg - and make a B line to my anus.

BWAAAHAAAHAAA!

80 opnion  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:43:20pm

re: #49 rollingdivision

At one time I thought Clinton would be the easier Democrat to beat. Now, after much hard work by Obama, he has changed (he loves change!) my mind and I think he is the weaker. Hopefully, Clinton will be dissed to the point she keeps up the fight and takes this to the convention.

A Clinton spokesman said that they would take it to the Credentials Committee in July and would not rule out a court challenge. This is beautiful

81 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:43:28pm
82 really grumpy big dog johnson  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:43:33pm

re: #66 opnion

I have to agree with the McCain comment, But he seems to really dislike Barry.
My guess is that McCain sees Obama as a less than loyal American. Whatever I think of him, he is a patriot.

Hillary's biggest mistake by far was assuming she'd have the nomination wrapped up by Super Tuesday. Her plan kerplopped when that didn't happen, and she had no troops on the ground to challenge the Obama surge. That one error alone may have cost her the election. But I won't count her out until I hear the vote that says Obama's the man. I can't understand a political party that would select an unelectable nominee, but then again, I haven't been a Demonrat for a long time.

83 sngnsgt  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:43:52pm

re: #68 JeremyR

Is that sticker on the front bumper, or the back one?

Yes.

84 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:44:07pm

re: #78 sngnsgt

How about, Hillary Clinton 'is' NOT going to win the Democratic Nomination?

Fair enough.

heh.

85 Yankee Division Son  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:44:38pm

Right now, a CNN "special investigation unit" report is on, "Obama's Fighting Spirit, How he knocks out the Competition"

86 Yankee Division Son  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:45:26pm

re: #85 Yankee Division Son

Must be a slow news day...

87 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:45:33pm

re: #85 Yankee Division Son

Right now, a CNN "special investigation unit" report is on, "Obama's Fighting Spirit, How he knocks out the Competition"

I so hate liberal MSM damage control. Haughty arrogant bastards.

88 acapesket123  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:45:36pm

Is this not fun?
When McQueeg is so painful,
it's fabulously fun to watch the Victims Rights Groups,
formerly known as the DNC go down to the dark side of the puddle.

89 ciaospirit  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:45:39pm

Arrogance. I hope he gets the rug pulled.

Mr Obama hinted at the plan last week. “One of my heroes is Abraham Lincoln,” he said. “Lincoln basically pulled in all the people who had been running against him into his cabinet because whatever personal feelings there were, the issue was 'how can we get this country through this time of crisis?’ And I think that has to be the approach that one takes.”

90 MrArchieBunker  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:46:17pm

re: #71 itellu3times

Now that you mention it, that might be HRC's bottom line bargaining position. She could occupy the Ruth Bader Ginsberg 'seat'. A seat on the Supreme Court would be much more prestigious that a mere cabinet post.

91 hermeneutics  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:46:18pm

re: #80 opnion

A court challenge? Incredible. Any Lizard Lawyers here know what claims they would make in court? I would think that a political party is immune from judicial interference ... but maybe not.

92 looking closely  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:46:19pm

Hilary is a seated Dem Senator in a reliably Dem state.

She ain't going anywhere, and considering this is probably her last "hurrah" in running for President for at least four and possibly eight years she has little to lose by dragging things out as long as possible.

93 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:46:27pm
94 Grammy Cracker  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:46:32pm

re: #72 winston06

Obama is like New Hamshire's Ned Lamont in 2006 elections

Pssst....Lamont is from Connecticut...

95 jaunte  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:46:42pm

re: #89 ciaospirit

Chicago rules? Everyone gets to wet their beak...

96 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:46:44pm

I remember WELL the Hillary Rodham, Esq. of 1974. No Tears for Her, Argentina!

-S-

97 Grammy Cracker  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:47:11pm

WOOT! Red Wings win game 4....

Come on home, Stanley!

98 Sharmuta  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:47:16pm

re: #64 snowcrash

Hillary should fight to the end. She has been so dissed by the media and her party that a scorched earth policy doesn't seem out of the question.

We're talking about Hillary. Not only is scorched earth not out of the question, I'd say it's a sure thing.

99 NY Nana  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:47:55pm

re: #62 Yankee Division Son

And would anyone want to see Shrill be in charge of health care? Anyone?

His list of the losers he would appoint is laughable.

/Was Albore on it?

I am not worried about either a Hussein or a Shrillary presidency. Both are too dangerous to our country.

And I think a lot of Demonrats will stay home and pout on Election Day.

I do not expect a gracious exit by Shrill, remembering how she had to be practically pulled off from the front gate of the White House, kicking and screaming, on Inauguration Day, in 2001.

100 DesertSage  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:48:19pm

The stakes are too high, Hillary will not back down.

101 kynna  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:48:25pm

I think they are both awful and need to be beaten. I hate that McCain is my only choice, but I'll make it. I do NOT think there will only be 4 years of Obama. I DO think a significant, if not ruinous, amount of damage can be done to this country by a President Obama.

102 really grumpy big dog johnson  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:48:27pm

re: #89 ciaospirit

Arrogance. I hope he gets the rug pulled.

I bet that Obama thinks that Abe was the dem who freed the slaves. While in office, he was one of the most reviled and distrusted presidents ever. It was only through the long lens of history that we saw how truly great that log cabin lawyer really was.

103 jollypigeon  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:48:28pm

I think today was a big day for Hillary. I am not saying she is going to win, but she lives to fight another day. They negotiated to seat half the delegates and that raised the total number of delegates now needed to secure the nomination. Obama can't declare victory on Tuesday. Anybody want to bet that unaffiliated (wink, wink) democrats in both states are now going to litigate for the remaining half? She now can argue that she won the popular vote. Why would she quit now? What superdelegates wants to be known as the person that killed her campaign? And lo and behold, the Pastor issue is back. Who knows how much more Obama is going to to get dusted up betweeen now and the convention. Two plus months is an eternity in politics-she can't quit.

104 yesandno  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:48:41pm

That picture of Hillary with Bill and Chelsea....having a laugh between themselves.

This is the most "intimate" portrait I have seen of them....they share something that no one outside that little coterie knows at that point in time. It is a very humanizing picture, and certainly not one of defeat.

I hope she loses, but I hope BHO doesn't win. She would be bad for the country. Hell, McCain won't be actually good. But B. Hussein will bring about the end of the country as we know it. This isn't just the usual bad mouthing of the opposition.

This is the Manchurian candidate. Fear is a realistic reaction.

105 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:49:02pm

re: #91 hermeneutics

A court challenge? Incredible. Any Lizard Lawyers here know what claims they would make in court? I would think that a political party is immune from judicial interference ... but maybe not.

Equal protection clause.

106 Gozer the Carpathian  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:49:09pm

Bah.. like she'll quit now. If she didn't quit when he was riding high she's not going to quit now. Especially after this "Half Vote" BS from the rules comittee.

107 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:49:09pm

re: #89 ciaospirit

Mr Obama hinted at the plan last week. “One of my heroes is Abraham Lincoln,” he said. “Lincoln basically pulled in all the people who had been running against him into his cabinet because whatever personal feelings there were, the issue was 'how can we get this country through this time of crisis?’ And I think that has to be the approach that one takes.”

Arrogance. I hope he gets the rug pulled.

Lets see:

1. Tom Tancredo: Secretary of Defense
2. Fred Thompson: Secretary of State

I am sure there are many other vital positions that would be worth having Romney, Rudy, and (California's Presidential candidates name eludes me) them on.

108 hermeneutics  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:49:24pm

re: #92 looking closely

Agreed. She has NOTHING to gain by taking a cabinet position or by giving up early. The only cred she'll get is that of being a Democratic loyalist ... a party trooper. She's already squandered that so why bother.

If she delays, Obama could implode. This is truly likely. Its a question of timing -- before or after the convention. If after the convention, she can smugly said, "I told you so" and return to her NY senate seat.

Nice gig. She wins.

109 Sharmuta  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:49:26pm
Backed into a corner, Mrs Clinton responded with increasingly outlandish claims about her qualifications, including a ludicrous statement that she had braved sniper fire on a trip to Bosnia.

Yeah- well she have claimed her uncle liberated Auschwitz....

110 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:49:54pm

I'm not sure how this will go but I don't think it's over. The decision today was arbitrary and weird; to just seat delegates with 1/2 votes. I don't think Clinton supporters would be appeased because because not all votes are counted equally. I also suspect that Hillary still smells blood in the water. Obama in prone to gaffes and is slow to react to controversies (like his church) which makes him very vulnerable. If I were to guess I'd bet Hillary will stick it out and take it to the convention.

111 opnion  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:50:09pm

re: #91 hermeneutics

A court challenge? Incredible. Any Lizard Lawyers here know what claims they would make in court? I would think that a political party is immune from judicial interference ... but maybe not.

I would love to know the theory for the action too,
My guess is that if they do go to court, the cause of action would be a voting rights violation wrapped around a denial of civil rights,

112 gymnast  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:51:13pm

Hillary is just going to sit herself on a shelf and wait for the moment when Obama alive looks deader than Robert Kennedy. She will then suddenly reappear as the "viable alternative" about Labor Day or so. She won't get elected but will preserve the Copperhead core of the party for purposes of the house and senate election. My 2 cents worth for free!

113 nigella  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:51:34pm

Ciaspirit, zeez... What the hell are spoiled Americans going to do with a real "crisis"?Sorry if the cost of gas is 4.00 a gallon so you may have to cut out one or two of your lattes a week. Or 3% of new home buyers bought more house than they can afford so the can't make their payments. Or Their favorite American idol lost. A criss this is not! Now vote in Mr. Hope and Change ant then we can talk crisis. Sorry if I offended any of you lizards who really are in trouble....

114 snowcrash  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:51:39pm

re: #98 Sharmuta
She has proven she can play rough with the boys. I won't vote for her for ideological reasons but I have gained a new respect for her tenacity and ability to play the game. She is blazing the path for other women.

115 Grammy Cracker  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:51:39pm

re: #107 Oh no...Sand People!

Lets see:

1. Tom Tancredo: Secretary of Defense
2. Fred Thompson: Secretary of State

I am sure there are many other vital positions that would be worth having Romney, Rudy, and (California's Presidential candidates name eludes me) them on.

That's Duncan Hunter....great guy.

116 DesertSage  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:51:40pm

1/2 votes for those in FL and MI.
All Democrats are equal, it's just that some Democrats are more equal than others.

117 blue_like_jazz  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:51:41pm

i read the article and, truth be told, it made me kind of sick.

not because i'm in any way a hillary supporter, but the manipulative and condescending spirit behind their "kind offer" is almost suffocating in its arrogance.

"there, there, hillary... just lay down for the good of the party. we'll give you an inconsequential spot in the new administration and even pay off your debt, you poor thing."


//barf


may he choke on his hubris.

118 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:52:00pm
119 ccrnyc  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:52:05pm

Hill should never quit.

120 MrArchieBunker  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:52:23pm

Clinton Supporter Thrown Out of Rules Committee Meeting:

Oh man, its breaking down...

121 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:52:45pm

re: #97 Grammy Cracker

WOOT! Red Wings win game 4....

Come on home, Stanley!

Great game! Osgood got lucky during the last 30 second Penguins rush. Pittsburgh had a lot of shots from inside 20 feet, but they kept hitting Rde Wings before getting to Osgood.

122 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:52:51pm

re: #117 blue_like_jazz

i read the article and, truth be told, it made me kind of sick.

not because i'm in any way a hillary supporter, but the manipulative and condescending spirit behind their "kind offer" is almost suffocating in its arrogance.

"there, there, hillary... just lay down for the good of the party. we'll give you an inconsequential spot in the new administration and even pay off your debt, you poor thing."


//barf


may he choke on his hubris waffle.

/fixed.

123 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:53:37pm

re: #103 jollypigeon

I think today was a big day for Hillary. I am not saying she is going to win, but she lives to fight another day. They negotiated to seat half the delegates and that raised the total number of delegates now needed to secure the nomination. Obama can't declare victory on Tuesday. Anybody want to bet that unaffiliated (wink, wink) democrats in both states are now going to litigate for the remaining half? She now can argue that she won the popular vote. Why would she quit now? What superdelegates wants to be known as the person that killed her campaign? And lo and behold, the Pastor issue is back. Who knows how much more Obama is going to to get dusted up betweeen now and the convention. Two plus months is an eternity in politics-she can't quit.

Very true. Run, Hills, run! The longer she stays in, the better our chances are. If she goes kicking and screaming, it should leave the Dems too fractured to win.

124 pat  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:53:42pm

re: #66 opnion

Hmmm. I think we shall see. An interesting observation. I hope you are right.
re: #69 ciaospirit

Mis use of words there. Obama is enormously likable from the perspective of the rooting section. Black underdog, educated, articulate, and apparently personally a nice guy. All Americans can root for a guy like that. But this man harbors demons. And in addition to belonging to a racist voodoo cult/church, he is simply ignorant about virtually everything. I mean this guy knows nothing. An International Relations major that knows nothing about the subject, a lawyer that never practiced law. A 'community activist".An empty suit.

125 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:53:44pm

re: #115 Grammy Cracker

I knew it started with a 'D'. Thanks Grammy.

126 nigella  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:53:52pm

pimf "crisis. Sorry, but I am tired of this whole wah wah mentality.

127 acapesket123  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:53:58pm

She's the new "IT" girl! Operation Chaos.

128 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:54:16pm

re: #118 ploome hineni


..watching Obama on tv, delivering speeches, responding to questions in interviews

is he smart enough to maneuver this?


I don;t like McCain at all but he can answer questions because he speaks from the heart. Even though I think he stinks I gotta respect the fact that he doesn't have to yammer Um's and ah's searching for the correctly worded lie.

129 Grammy Cracker  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:54:28pm

re: #116 DesertSage

1/2 votes for those in FL and MI.
All Democrats are equal, it's just that some Democrats are more equal than others.

I wish all Democrat votes in Michigan - always - were counted at one half! Maybe we would have a decent Governor...

130 joecitizen  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:54:54pm

re: #97 Grammy Cracker

WOOT! Red Wings win game 4....

Come on home, Stanley!

Grammy,yer breakin' my heart..

131 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:54:59pm
132 hermeneutics  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:55:21pm

re: #102 really grumpy big dog johnson

It was only through the long lens of history that we saw how truly great that log cabin lawyer really was.

Nice phrase ... the long lens of history. Can I use it?

133 Grammy Cracker  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:55:53pm

re: #130 joecitizen

Grammy,yer breakin' my heart..

Oh, so sorry!

/

134 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:56:09pm
135 blue_like_jazz  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:56:49pm

re: #122 Oh no...Sand People!

bwahahaha! i like it!

//a waffle covered in heinz 57 sauce

136 pat  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:56:58pm

Read Hill was $11M in the hole. If she has a 100 Gs left in the account, cattle futures should cover that in a month. I hear the Saudis are big on cattle shipments.

137 CIA Reject  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:57:04pm

re: #71 itellu3times

Associate Supreme Court Justice Hillary R. Clinton

DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING!

We have a WINNAH!

/Power for the rest of her life without having to pander to all those rubes every six years!

138 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:57:27pm

re: #107 Oh no...Sand People!

Lets see:

1. Tom Tancredo: Secretary of Defense
2. Fred Thompson: Secretary of State

I am sure there are many other vital positions that would be worth having Romney, Rudy, and (California's Presidential candidates name eludes me) them on.

You best pray to God that McCain wins.

/because the alternative cabinet is really scary

139 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:57:32pm

One person, one half vote? I don't think so. Pantsuit going to court. Whining in the forecast.

140 OldLineTexan  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:57:49pm

re: #128 Killgore Trout

I don;t like McCain at all but he can answer questions because he speaks from the heart. Even though I think he stinks I gotta respect the fact that he doesn't have to yammer Um's and ah's searching for the correctly worded lie.

McCain is an experienced politician AND led a life "before".

Obama is neither, and Hill has never been anything but a politician.

141 gymnast  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:58:05pm

re: #116 DesertSage

1/2 votes for those in FL and MI.
All Democrats are equal, it's just that some Democrats are more equal than others.

Being worth half a human being is better than being worth only 2/5s. The party of Jefferson and Jackson long ago figured out how to count slaves so as to put a greater number of Democrats in Congress. You would have thought they would have learned the lessons of history.

142 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:58:22pm

re: #134 ploome hineni

I'm still not sure what I'm doing in the fall. I might be in a state that doesn't matter anyways, in which case I'll just stay home.

143 OldLineTexan  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:59:00pm

re: #134 ploome hineni

it is irrelevant if you or anyone likes McCain, and at this time, itis counterproductive to keep repeating McCain is a poor choice

McCain is the ONLY choice, so we better start looking for the pony, under that pile

Heh.

Looking for the pony under the pile

Rotating title nomination (do any of these ever get used?)

144 opnion  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:59:36pm

re: #124 pat

Hmmm. I think we shall see. An interesting observation. I hope you are right.
re: #69 ciaospirit

Mis use of words there. Obama is enormously likable from the perspective of the rooting section. Black underdog, educated, articulate, and apparently personally a nice guy. All Americans can root for a guy like that. But this man harbors demons. And in addition to belonging to a racist voodoo cult/church, he is simply ignorant about virtually everything. I mean this guy knows nothing. An International Relations major that knows nothing about the subject, a lawyer that never practiced law. A 'community activist".An empty suit.

I do not recall a less qualified individual getting this far. Editor of Law Review at Harvard is not what it used to be.

145 AZfederalist  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:59:49pm

Can't imagine how or why Hitlery would exit now, not after BHO's brilliant and eloquent speech today. Now is the time for her to go for the jugular.

146 hermeneutics  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:59:56pm

re: #105 Bob in Breckenridge

So the argument would be that residents in different states were treated unequally?

147 ContraJihadi  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:59:57pm

re: #6 NJDhockeyfan

Will she stay on a binge till then?

That image is likely to become one of the biggest icons of the year.

The Hildabeast, for all her self-aggrandizement, is a cunning serpent, on the order of Catherine de Medici. She may swizzle with the best of the Suki Tawdries, but she'll read the tea leaves and then slither into the most adventageous situation she can get. But, oh, what poison do her fangs hold swelling in reserve!

148 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:00:04pm

re: #138 Killian Bundy

You best pray to God that McCain wins.

/because the alternative cabinet is really scary

Holy Mother of Moses...

We are so boned.

149 pat  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:00:17pm

McCain did have a life. He was a military man that went to pension status. But he is a fool when he discusses private business. He seems to get his economics from big ag and Tyson Foods. Scary people.

150 Grammy Cracker  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:00:23pm

re: #143 OldLineTexan

Heh.

Looking for the pony under the pile

Rotating title nomination (do any of these ever get used?)

I recommended it to the Big Lizard. It's in his hands (claws? paws? feet?) now.....

151 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:00:41pm

re: #146 hermeneutics

So the argument would be that residents in different states were treated unequally?

Florida and Michigan.

152 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:00:47pm
153 joecitizen  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:00:49pm

re: #142 Killgore Trout

I'm still not sure what I'm doing in the fall. I might be in a state that doesn't matter anyways, in which case I'll just stay home.


local elections,pal,congress,senate,FRICKIN' SCHOOL BOARD..they all count and it all matters...

154 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:00:50pm
155 Genosaurer  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:01:36pm

"Another Democrat who has discussed strategy with friends in the Obama inner circle said that Mr Obama was openly considering asking Mrs Clinton to join his cabinet, alongside two other former presidential rivals: John Edwards, who is seen as a likely attorney general; and Joe Biden, who is a leading contender to become Secretary of State."

I can see Biden being the William Jennings Bryan to Obama's Woodrow Wilson.

156 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:02:25pm

re: #134 ploome hineni

McCain is the ONLY choice, so we better start looking for the pony, under that pile

The choice is between a jackass and a gluehorse. Americans should hang their heads in shame at the choices they have for Commander in Chief.

157 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:02:31pm
158 Sharmuta  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:02:33pm

re: #114 snowcrash

I've come to admire her fighting spirit a bit myself. I've also come to feel a bit sorry for her. obama might be tossing all his people under the bus, but the msm and the dnc started it by tossing hill under the bus months ago.

159 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:02:52pm
160 pat  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:03:17pm

re: #144 opnion

I do not recall a less qualified individual getting this far. Editor of Law Review at Harvard is not what it used to be.

You spoke to truth there. This man has diminished the status of every Law review in the Nation. To say that it was a difficult attainment is an understatement. Editors are still as rare as the golden egg. Members have major bragging rights. I don't get it!

161 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:03:19pm

re: #146 hermeneutics

So the argument would be that residents in different states were treated unequally?

But I'd rather have some "private citizens" file suit saying their 14th amendment rights were violated, rather than Hillary's campaign, but I'm certain that's what would happen.

162 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:03:21pm

re: #132 hermeneutics

Nice phrase ... the long lens of history. Can I use it?

It's not my own, feel free to use whenever you want.

163 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:04:15pm

re: #156 Kreuzueber Halbmond

The choice is between a jackass and a gluehorse. Americans should hang their heads in shame at the choices they have for Commander in Chief.

Gluehorse.

Too funny. Today has been a good day for laughs...and a sad day as to why we have these laughs.

164 Watookal  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:05:54pm

This is great - Wright gone - Church gone - Hillary Gone.
O-blah-blah has no way of beating McCain.
Stand clear folks - Implosion about to be set of!

165 wolfie  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:05:58pm

re: #120 MrArchieBunker

Clinton Supporter Thrown Out of Rules Committee Meeting: [Link: www.youtube.com...] Oh man, its breaking down...

That is one cranky Democrat!
May there be millions more like her!

166 Sharmuta  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:06:14pm

re: #161 Bob in Breckenridge

But I'd rather have some "private citizens" file suit saying their 14th amendment rights were violated, rather than Hillary's campaign, but I'm certain that's what would happen.

And I hope they do! What's to stop the party from doing this again in the future? What the hell is the point of a primary (or caucus) if the party's going to ignore the results? Why have a convention? Just let the party heads pick the candidate if this is how it's going to be.

167 hermeneutics  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:06:27pm

re: #141 gymnast

But slaves were 3/5 a person and Democrats in Michigan and Florida are only 2.5/5 a person.

168 DesertSage  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:06:29pm

McCain - He spent 5 years as a prisoner of war. He also served honorably as a Naval Officer and a pilot.

Obama - His great uncle liberated Auschwitz (so he says) then spent six months in the attic.


This is a no brainer people. Even if you have problems with McCain, look at the stark differences. Vote!

169 tokyobk  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:06:39pm

Obama should hold his friends close, enemies closer, and the Clintons closest.

170 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:06:40pm

re: #165 wolfie

That is one cranky Democrat!
May there be millions more like her!

There are.

171 opnion  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:06:47pm

Good night Lizards, Be of good cheer, The Democrats have had one heinous day,

172 hermeneutics  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:07:13pm

re: #160 pat

Affirmative Action.

173 nigella  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:07:23pm

My apology's to all you Lizards tonight about my spelling. I had two of my Grandkids all day today and I'm worn out!

174 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:08:30pm

re: #165 wolfie

That is one cranky Democrat!
May there be millions more like her!

Unfortunately, NOW's membership is down to about 200,000 raving lunatics.

175 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:09:10pm
176 tokyobk  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:09:50pm

re: #134 ploome hineni

it is irrelevant if you or anyone likes McCain, and at this time, itis counterproductive to keep repeating McCain is a poor choice

McCain is the ONLY choice, so we better start looking for the pony, under that pile


I agree with this. I find Obama more likable in some ways than McCain but only McCain is presidential and Obama will most likely throw Israel under the bus in his first 90 days.

But it is not going to be easy for McCain to beat Obama, as I have said here to the point of being offered a troll merit bage.

177 NY Nana  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:10:12pm

re: #109 Sharmuta

Yeah- well she have claimed her uncle liberated Auschwitz....

How about Shrillary claiming Jewish roots? This was offensive, in 1999, and still is.

In New York, where one of every eight voters is Jewish, it certainly won't hurt that First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton can note the Jewish branch on her family tree.

Mrs. Clinton, who is Methodist, "has very fond childhood memories" of the second husband of her grandmother, Max Rosenberg, a Russian-born Jew, said Howard Wolfson, a spokesman for the first lady's Senate exploratory committee.

Wolfson said Thursday that he doesn't "expect it will have an electoral impact, and we don't see it in that context."

Mrs. Clinton's maternal grandmother, Della, married Rosenberg in 1933, seven years after she and Mrs. Clinton's grandfather, Edwin Howell, divorced, according to a weekly Jewish newspaper, The Forward.

They had filed a petition for Max to adopt Della's children, including Mrs. Clinton's mother, Dorothy, but the attempt failed. Max Rosenberg died in Los Angeles in 1984.

Mrs. Clinton angered potential Jewish voters last year by voicing support for a Palestinian state, but has recently told Jewish leaders she considers Jerusalem "the eternal and indivisible capital" of Israel.

She has also said she favors moving the U.S. Embassy for Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. The United States has never recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capital.

And this photo will never leave my mind, nor the circumstances.

/Shrill has Jewish roots like Hussein does.

A grandmother who's second husband is a Jew has absolutely nothing to do with her, and does not confer a grain of Jewishness.

Shrill, like Bubba, is a Jew hater...read this Tammy Bruce column...

178 Sharmuta  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:10:28pm

You Fool! You fell victim for one of the classic blunders. The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well known is this- never go in against a Sicilian Clinton when death the White House is on the line!

179 Naso Tang  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:10:33pm

re: #164 Watookal

This is great - Wright gone - Church gone - Hillary Gone.
O-blah-blah has no way of beating McCain.
Stand clear folks - Implosion about to be set of!

Obama is McCain's guarantee to win. Hillary would have stood a chance. Sad.

180 wolfie  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:11:45pm

re: #174 Bob in Breckenridge

Unfortunately, NOW's membership is down to about 200,000 raving lunatics.

Can you believe you actually wrote "unfortunately" ?!
We're rooting for NOW and the Hildebeast!
This is getting downright surreal! :O

181 hermeneutics  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:12:11pm

re: #176 tokyobk

I agree with you, Tokyo. I think McCain is a lousy campaigner during a lousy time in history -- he's got to swim upstream to win.

Obama had a really bad day, however. At least some Americans were persuaded to vote against him today. And Hill's supporters have been slapped by their party. Who knows what they'll do next November.

So its looking up. A wee bit.

182 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:12:38pm

Rev. Pfleger: 'They want to kill me...it's been ugly'

The Rev. Michael Pfleger, who helped reignite Barack Obama's pastor problems by mocking Hillary Clinton, said this evening he's received "thousands of hate threats" since his videotaped pulpit rant.

"They want to kill me," Pfleger told parishioners during a service in a St. Sabina Church chapel on Chicago's South Side this evening. "It's been very ugly."

/and that's just the Clintons

183 OldLineTexan  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:12:43pm

re: #180 wolfie

Can you believe you actually wrote "unfortunately" ?!
We're rooting for NOW and the Hildebeast!
This is getting downright surreal! :O

NOW's bus has waaaaay more women under it than Obama's.

184 CIA Reject  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:12:44pm

re: #180 wolfie

Can you believe you actually wrote "unfortunately" ?!
We're rooting for NOW and the Hildebeast!
This is getting downright surreal! :O

Politics does, indeed, make strange bedfellows!

185 DesertSage  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:12:48pm

re: #176 tokyobk

But it is not going to be easy for McCain to beat Obama, as I have said here to the point of being offered a troll merit bage.

It's getting easier every day. The more Obama talks, the less he looks presidential.
By November, I predict a 57 state landslide for McCain

186 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:13:16pm
187 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:13:27pm

It ain't over till the fat lady sings.
So when is Hillary's aria scheduled?

Too bad it will also be a requiem for the Democratic Party.
Maybe as the Dems turn into the People's Democratic Popular Party (like all the communist states are named), we'll get a center-left party, something that is an honorable and real opposition to the Republicans.

Who knows, McCain and Lieberman might found it.

Even if I prefer the Republicans, I still think they need competition for the US to be proper democracy; a one-party system is the mark of a dictatorship, not a democracy. But here, it is the Democratic party that is self-destructing; it is't being destroyed by a dictator, no matter how much they think Bush is one.

188 OldLineTexan  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:14:15pm

re: #182 Killian Bundy

Rev. Pfleger: 'They want to kill me...it's been ugly'


/and that's just the Clintons

Pfleger is the most disgusting thing I have ever seen on TV, and I lived through eight years of Bill Clinton as a gun-owner.

189 DoubleU  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:14:43pm

If only Hillary had a blimp, that would build her momentum.

190 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:14:55pm

When the libs destroy each other to oblivion this will be my music of choice:

Today- Smashing Pumpkins

191 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:15:03pm

re: #183 OldLineTexan

NOW's bus has waaaaay more women under it than Obama's.

My wife learned to hate feminists when she was in grad school and had no support from them because she had a child.
Now, she's a defense lawyer.

192 Grammy Cracker  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:15:21pm

re: #177 NY Nana

And this photo will never leave my mind, nor the circumstances.

/Shrill has Jewish roots like Hussein does.

A grandmother who's second husband is a Jew has absolutely nothing to do with her, and does not confer a grain of Jewishness.

Shrill, like Bubba, is a Jew hater...read this Tammy Bruce column...

I really dig matzo ball soup....does this mean I could be Jewish?

/LOL

193 OldLineTexan  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:15:22pm

re: #189 DoubleU

If only Hillary had a blimp, that would build her momentum.

Bill has slimmed down quite a bit...

194 Naso Tang  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:15:27pm

PS. I didn't mean sad that Hillary isn't the choice. ;)

195 tokyobk  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:16:02pm

re: #181 hermeneutics

I agree with you, Tokyo. I think McCain is a lousy campaigner during a lousy time in history -- he's got to swim upstream to win.

Obama had a really bad day, however. At least some Americans were persuaded to vote against him today. And Hill's supporters have been slapped by their party. Who knows what they'll do next November.

So its looking up. A wee bit.


This is all a reall popcorn popper!

I almost think that McCain could fall into the trap that Hillary did and also that failed dems like Dukakis did, meaning in their minds being so obviously the better chance that they do not come in swinging and take the fight to the candidate.

Obama defined the democratic race. He made Hillary play catch-up to him. When he was done with her he just stopped talking about here. He has been making sweet love to the MSM the whole primary and that is only starting. Plus, he is about to lose the race think entirely and beome a maistream immigrant American with a suntan.

196 wolfie  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:16:03pm

re: #176 tokyobk

I agree it will be hard for McCain.

For one thing, elections are won in the fuzzy middle, where the MSM stills holds sway. This gives any Democrat a huge advantage.

197 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:16:40pm

re: #166 Sharmuta

And I hope they do! What's to stop the party from doing this again in the future? What the hell is the point of a primary (or caucus) if the party's going to ignore the results? Why have a convention? Just let the party heads pick the candidate if this is how it's going to be.

If I was a lib...Well actually, if I was a lib I'd off myself, but I digress-

Anyway, I'd sue to have the "super delegates" declared unconstitutional, again for a 14th amendment violation. If those few deemed to be "more important" can negate the votes of the the regular voters, I'd think that would be another equal protection case.

198 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:16:40pm

Well, night all.

199 tokyobk  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:16:53pm

re: #185 DesertSage

It's getting easier every day. The more Obama talks, the less he looks presidential.
By November, I predict a 57 state landslide for McCain

McCain has to convince people that Obama is a Cater in Kennedy clothing. If he can do that, he will win, imo.

200 Sharmuta  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:16:53pm

re: #177 NY Nana

Hi, Nana! Don't get me wrong- I'm about as anti-clinton as a person can be. I was just trying to point out that the article mentions hillary's big gaffe, but there wasn't a single mention of ANY of obama's. As stupid as it was for her to mention the Bosnia thing, obama's Auschwitz lie was much more vile- true pandering, and I found it utterly disgusting on his part.

But like the American msm, the UK press is shilling for obama. Why- I have no idea- who are they trying to sway over there? This is an American election.

201 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:17:18pm

re: #182 Killian Bundy

Heh.

202 hermeneutics  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:18:04pm

re: #191 Kosh's Shadow

Gosh, your wife's story is so familiar, Kosh. I was brutalized by feminists in grad school because I was married, had reproduced and was a helluva lot better looking than any of those saggy-breasted wonders. Those were unforgiveable sins, I guess.

Bad days. I hardly can stand recalling them ... even now.

203 nigella  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:19:03pm

Killian Bundy, I am getting so Damn mad at these Liberals always acting the victim when they are the offender. I'm sure fathe Pfleger gets plenty "death" threats normally after all the foul things he has said for years. Whine, whine, whine. I'm a poor victim.....I guess even the good Father should remember this Bible verse,"You shall reap what you shall sow."

204 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:19:05pm
205 NY Nana  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:19:23pm

re: #185 DesertSage

It's getting easier every day. The more Obama talks, the less he looks presidential.
By November, I predict a 57 state landslide for McCain

That is one of the reasons that I ♥ you, Sage!

206 jamgarr  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:19:24pm

re: #178 Sharmuta

You Fool! You fell victim for one of the classic blunders. The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well known is this- never go in against a Sicilian Clinton when death the White House is on the line!


Hill's only mostly toast.

207 PSGInfinity  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:19:43pm

re: #68 JeremyR

Is that sticker on the front bumper, or the back one?

CoTT!
(Comment of The Thread)

208 Opilio  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:19:57pm

re: #72 winston06

Obama is like New Hamshire's Ned Lamont in 2006 elections

Connecticut, maybe?

209 hermeneutics  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:20:32pm

re: #195 tokyobk

How can he lose the race thing entirely when he built his whole campaign upon it? Poignant memories do persist and most Americans have an impression of him as someone who has built his campaign upon racist/racialist rhetoric.

210 ContraJihadi  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:21:01pm

re: #176 tokyobk

I don't think anybody here at LGF would offer you "a troll merit badge" for pointing out how difficult (and perhaps even impossible) it might be for McCain to beat Obama. I wouldn't go so far as to say that anybody thinks you are being trollish at all. What we do question--and not just out of groupthink and partisan inertia--is the thesis, which you seem to uphold, that there is anything superlative or admirable about Obama at all.

When I first saw him on C-SPAN about two years ago, asking questions on a Senate committee, I formed the opinion that he was thoughtful, deferential, and articulate. I never agreed with his politics, but I thought he had a mind. If he had served out a full term in the senate and got some experience and maturity, he mght have become an admirable partisan foe. But he has overreached himself and far too soon, so I must question his judgment. His many gaffes and silly pronouncements only confirm my opinion that he is, basically, a child who deludes himself into thinking that he can fill the role of an adult. And I suspect that it is the worst of men who are bolstering him in this conceit.

211 MandyManners  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:21:04pm

Very smart of him to do this on a Saturday.

212 Yankee Division Son  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:21:14pm

C-Span is re-running the DNC rules commitee hearings from earlier today if ya missed it..

213 Honorary Yooper  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:22:35pm

re: #200 Sharmuta

Well, the UK press has been just as against the Iraq war as the US press. It should be no suprise that they shill for Obama who is willing to set a timetable. Now, why they should be concerned about a US election is silly, considering they have zero control over it.

/BTW, I'm in the Lounge.

214 NY Nana  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:22:37pm

re: #192 Grammy Cracker

I really dig matzo ball soup....does this mean I could be Jewish?

/LOL

It's a start! ;) But could you spell and explain the last word in a national spelling bee?

215 looking closely  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:23:50pm

re: #108 hermeneutics

Agreed. She has NOTHING to gain by taking a cabinet position or by giving up early. The only cred she'll get is that of being a Democratic loyalist ... a party trooper. She's already squandered that so why bother.

If she delays, Obama could implode. This is truly likely. Its a question of timing -- before or after the convention. If after the convention, she can smugly said, "I told you so" and return to her NY senate seat.

Nice gig. She wins.


She still has her mounting campaign debt to consider, and that alone is a good reason for her not to drop out even if she believes her situation to be hopeless.

Why would she want to take a cabinet position under an Obama administration, when she is a shoe-in for re-election in her NY Senate seat pretty much indefinitely?

Apart from Senator most likely being the more desirable position for her, there is no guarantee that Obama will win the election.

Assuming he did, AND he kept a promise to her to appoint her to the Cabinet (which wouldn't be guaranteed either), she'd only be assured 4 years in the cabinet (at Obama's pleasure).

Perhaps she could get 8 years *IF* Obama were to win re-election, but I doubt she would want that since she'd probably feel stifled there and probably couldn't win elected office again afterwards.

I shudder to think of her as a US Supreme Court nominee, but I think she wouldn't get that nomination.

216 DesertSage  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:24:09pm

re: #211 MandyManners

Very smart of him to do this on a Saturday.

Yeah, why would he pick the sabbath to do this?

217 profitsbeard  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:24:11pm

I'll bet she's in church tomorrow.

And Obama isn't.

There's a greater meaning in that than Barry knows.

But Hillary sure does.

Keep fighting, gal!

Obama's sinking like a paper hat boat in a top tank toilet.

218 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:24:16pm
219 Honorary Yooper  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:24:33pm

re: #208 Opilio

Connecticut, whatever. Remember, ZERO FOR TWENTY MARKOS supports Obama.

/What'll that be, Markos, 0 for 21 then?

220 formercorpsman  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:24:38pm

re: #177 NY Nana

The only problem Nana, is that message was directly for the Jewish voters in her state.

They bought it, IIRC, she had a pretty good turnout for this block when she was elected as Senator.

221 Grammy Cracker  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:25:19pm

re: #214 NY Nana

It's a start! ;) But could you spell and explain the last word in a national spelling bee?

I used to compete in spelling bees 'back in the day'. Now, I'm usually lucky if I remember how to spell bee....LOL

222 Inquisitive  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:25:25pm

re: #134 ploome hineni

it is irrelevant if you or anyone likes McCain, and at this time, itis counterproductive to keep repeating McCain is a poor choice

McCain is the ONLY choice, so we better start looking for the pony, under that pile


I agree with what you have said and I think everyone should think about this really hard. We need to stop throwing jabs out there and get behind him full heartedly. We need to be building him up and constantly pointing out his best points of being the next POTUS. We need to try our best to turn other voters his way. We need to remember there is lots of people out there still undecided at this point at time and that could possibly reading these post.
I will be voting for McCain because I know he would be the best for our country, not just because I don't think or want Obama or Clinton.
Sorry to anyone I may have offended or if I have stepped over the line, and I really did not like the glue horse statement.

223 Catttt  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:25:51pm

re: #188 OldLineTexan

Pfleger is the most disgusting thing I have ever seen on TV, and I lived through eight years of Bill Clinton as a gun-owner.

I just hope Father Pf keeps his dirty mouth shut from now on. That vid is the worst thing I've seen in eons. Hope springs eternal. However, I'm not going to forget that he is a buddy of Senator O, who earmarked a chunk of change to him (while an Ill. rep).

224 tokyobk  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:26:02pm

re: #209 hermeneutics

How can he lose the race thing entirely when he built his whole campaign upon it? Poignant memories do persist and most Americans have an impression of him as someone who has built his campaign upon racist/racialist rhetoric.

He will try to move into a position of highlighting his uber-american experience of being the child of immigrants and also mid-western. Watch for a major speech praiding his wonderful white family and his solid American roots.

He built his "I will be the first black president one day so help me get elected to the Senate" campaign and his primary campaign on race, in part. But this is the general and the American voting public has a short memory, which all politicians exploit.

225 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:26:31pm
226 MandyManners  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:26:45pm

re: #216 DesertSage

Yeah, why would he pick the sabbath to do this?

People are out of the house, on the lake, at the cottage, shopping, grilling, et cet.. They're less likely to pay attention to the news.

227 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:27:05pm

re: #202 hermeneutics

Gosh, your wife's story is so familiar, Kosh. I was brutalized by feminists in grad school because I was married, had reproduced and was a helluva lot better looking than any of those saggy-breasted wonders. Those were unforgiveable sins, I guess.

Bad days. I hardly can stand recalling them ... even now.

My wife later went into law, and found law school and the legal profession a lot better. Although she is in private practice, not a firm.
Chemistry's loss is law's gain, in this case.

228 Roger  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:27:16pm

McCain will drive all the hated/despised conservatives to stay home in November. McCain isn't even started yet. The staying home trend is far from over.

229 DesertSage  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:27:26pm

re: #218 song_and_dance_man

Thou mammering boil-brained scut!

Who Knew? There more songs available to B. Hussein' scampaign

Ha!

How 'bout this one?

230 looking closely  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:27:37pm

Repeat after me, if Obama is elected, the USA is guaranteed:

1. Significantly higher taxes, and
2. Multiple liberal/activist Supreme Court justices (that's 20+ years of damage).

Other likely (but not certain) outcomes include:
1. Socialized medicine (which would be effectively irreversible).
2. Premature withdrawal and subsequent disgrace in Iraq.
3. A nuclear-armed Iran (and/or North Korea).

231 republic  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:27:43pm

re: #182 Killian Bundy

Rev. Pfleger: 'They want to kill me...it's been ugly'


/and that's just the Clintons

Ah, the vermin maybe is getting a little taste of what comes around goes around, after he and jesse jackson called on a group last year to snuff out a local gunshop owner.

I must say, I wouldn't defend the man.

232 itellu3times  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:27:43pm

re: #137 CIA Reject

DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING!

We have a WINNAH!

/Power for the rest of her life without having to pander to all those rubes every six years!

You likee that, how about, in the next chair over, Associate Supreme Court Justice William Jefferson Clinton, plus whoever is under his robe.

233 CIA Reject  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:27:56pm

re: #203 nigella

Killian Bundy, I am getting so Damn mad at these Liberals always acting the victim when they are the offender. I'm sure fathe Pfleger gets plenty "death" threats normally after all the foul things he has said for years. Whine, whine, whine. I'm a poor victim.....I guess even the good Father should remember this Bible verse,"You shall reap what you shall sow."

Given the crapola that he seems to spout on a regular basis perhaps Pfleger would do better to remember a different verse:

"And whosoever shall scandalize one of these little ones that believe in me; it were better for him that a millstone were hanged around his neck, and he were cast into the sea."

/How long can you hold your breath "foddah" ?

234 mikeinmd  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:27:58pm

No Sunday School tomorrow for the kids.
No more bake sales for Michelle.
No more softball games for Obama to hit a "touchdown".
No more 12 commandments.
No more G-D America.

Mighty Obama opted out.

235 MandyManners  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:28:44pm

re: #224 tokyobk

He will try to move into a position of highlighting his uber-american experience of being the child of immigrants and also mid-western. Watch for a major speech praiding his wonderful white family and his solid American roots.

He built his "I will be the first black president one day so help me get elected to the Senate" campaign and his primary campaign on race, in part. But this is the general and the American voting public has a short memory, which all politicians exploit.

He's thrown his white granny under the bus, calling her a racist.

236 nigella  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:29:18pm

CIA reject, I like that one better!

237 hermeneutics  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:29:35pm

It will be fun to watch the polling data in the next week to see if it shows an Obama decline.

Rasmussen has a daily report that shows McCain up by three in a head-to-head against Obama (46 to 43). Perhaps Obama's numbers will sink next week to below 40 percent.

Gallup polls daily too. The last I checked McCain was one percentage point below Obama (statistically insignificant.) I'd like to see McCain open up a three or four percent lead.

238 tokyobk  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:29:40pm

re: #210 ContraJihadi

I don't think anybody here at LGF would offer you "a troll merit badge" for pointing out how difficult (and perhaps even impossible) it might be for McCain to beat Obama. .


Someone did in an earlier thread. I was not offended and perhaps he was just emphasizing.

Contrajihadi, how do you take the statement that Mohammad, prophet of Islam was a genius organizer of men whose leadership abilities allowed him to conquer in his lifetime a wild and warring peninsula and whose total system allowed him to spread his personal system across half the planet and spanning centuries.

Do you take me as a Muslim or even sympathetic to Islam?

239 Biff  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:29:41pm

re: #58 Sharmuta

Informal talks have already begun between Obama and Clinton fundraisers to discuss a merger, enabling Mr Obama to pay off Mrs Clinton’s campaign debts of $11 million
Well- there is that. But all she needs is another book deal, so I don't see why she'd need to go for this.


But since that is the approximate amount that Hillary and Bill have lent her campaign, isn't the correct reading of this statement that Obama is offering Hillary an $11M bribe to quit before the convention?

240 MES41067  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:29:41pm

Sore

241 Mich-again  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:30:26pm

Deep in the article..

Hundreds of Clinton supporters, mostly women, gathered in Washington yesterday to protest at what they saw as an injustice,

What the hell does that mean? That its all just a scorned woman thing? Heck, I bet if someone took a survey at any Obama gathering it would also be mostly women. A bit of sexism slipping through from writer Tim Shipman.

242 nigella  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:30:29pm

Mandy, It's getting mighty crowded under that bus!

243 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:30:33pm

Is Larry Johnson releasing the Michelle Obama 'whitey' tape on Monday?


BREAKING NEWS: Michelle’s Whitey Problem

New and dramatic developments. This is a heads up. I’ll post the news Monday morning by 0900 hours. Now I know why people who have seen the videotape say it is stunning. Barack’s headaches are only starting.


244 WriterMom  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:30:39pm

I saw a great comment today about Obama-who cares if he's black, the problem is he's green.

245 tokyobk  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:31:12pm

re: #235 MandyManners

He's thrown his white granny under the bus, calling her a racist.


Shameful and disgusting.

Now be prepared to watch him pull her back from under the bus, prop her up and move her lips to endorse him. Watch the MSM swoon. When he does all this successfully, though, it might be time to re-up your assessment of his abilities.

246 hermeneutics  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:31:17pm

re: #227 Kosh's Shadow

I'm glad she's happy and has found a niche where she's accepted as your wife and a mother. Good for her.

247 Opilio  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:31:22pm

re: #82 really grumpy big dog johnson

Hillary's biggest mistake by far was assuming she'd have the nomination wrapped up by Super Tuesday. Her plan kerplopped when that didn't happen, and she had no troops on the ground to challenge the Obama surge. That one error alone may have cost her the election.

She's won 17 more pledged delegates in the last 3 months than Obama. She's beaten him 52%-48% in the 12.5 million popular votes cast in the last 3 months.

Unfortunately, Obama had a big lead before all of his skeletons came dancing out of their closets. It's been downhill for him since then amongst the hoi polloi. All of the gains he's made since Feb. have come from the most incorruptable cowardly segment of the Dem nomination process -- the superdelegates.

248 David Simon  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:31:54pm

re: #228 Roger

McCain will drive all the hated/despised conservatives to stay home in November. McCain isn't even started yet. The staying home trend is far from over.

The power of Christ repels you!

[Link: a.bebo.com...]

249 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:32:02pm

re: #180 wolfie

Can you believe you actually wrote "unfortunately" ?!
We're rooting for NOW and the Hildebeast!
This is getting downright surreal! :O

I do beg for forgiveness each night. : )

/I just pray the Obamessiah is listening.

250 NY Nana  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:32:22pm

re: #200 Sharmuta

Amazingly, he did have a family member, as he corrected himself, he had a great uncle who helped liberate Buchenwald...given Hussein's incredibly awful knowledge of geography, history, the number of states in the USA? How the hell did he ever get into Harvard and law school?

/Whoops, I think I know.

251 WriterMom  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:32:34pm

re: #243 NJDhockeyfan

who is that?

252 MandyManners  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:33:08pm

re: #245 tokyobk

Shameful and disgusting.

Now be prepared to watch him pull her back from under the bus, prop her up and move her lips to endorse him. Watch the MSM swoon. When he does all this successfully, though, it might be time to re-up your assessment of his abilities.

What abilities? He could have sex with a goat on the Capitol steps at high noon and the media would still be on his side.

253 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:33:21pm

Fears grow that Obama can't win

With senator Barack Obama poised this week to clinch his party's nomination for President, there are growing fears in some quarters that the Democratic party may not be choosing its strongest candidate to beat Republican John McCain.

Senator Hillary Clinton has been making that argument for weeks. Now some recent polls and analysis, looking particularly at vital battleground states and support among white voters, have bolstered her case - even as Obama looks certain to become the nominee.

There's still plenty of woodwork.

/and we haven't even looked behind the refrigerator yet either

254 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:33:24pm
255 Ojoe  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:33:32pm
Hillary Clinton will be offered a dignified exit from the presidential race and the prospect of a place in Barack Obama's cabinet under plans for a "negotiated surrender" of her White House ambitions being drawn up by Senator Obama's aides.

The arrogance of the Obama Campaign!

Go Hillary, tell them to shove it.

Miss the bus!

256 joecitizen  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:33:45pm

re: #238 tokyobk

Someone did in an earlier thread. I was not offended and perhaps he was just emphasizing.

Contrajihadi, how do you take the statement that Mohammad, prophet of Islam was a genius organizer of men whose leadership abilities allowed him to conquer in his lifetime a wild and warring peninsula and whose total system allowed him to spread his personal system across half the planet and spanning centuries.

Do you take me as a Muslim or even sympathetic to Islam?

no,loser..I offered you a troll merit badge for continuing to insist that obamassiah is some sort of brilliant politician etc etc ad nauseum...in spite of the mounting evidence for anyone with a reasonable grasp of reality...

257 formercorpsman  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:33:47pm

Now, what I really want to know is.

Did Michelle quit the church?

There is rumor of some unsavory video possibly being held until some time in the future. As far as these campaigns go, I would have a real hard time thinking some inner circle folk are not aware of potential bombshells waiting to be detonated.

It would be my suspicion, they have already formulated a response.

What would really interest me, is getting a better understanding of their nomination process, that perhaps the Clinton machine may realize the fallout, and by having half the delegates seated, this sets the stage for legitimizing her ascension in the aftermath, and subsequently seating the rest of them if need be.

Just some random, lateral thinking on my end.

258 Mich-again  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:34:17pm

BTW what Bozos in the Obama camp think they are actually going to be able to draw up acceptable terms of surrender for Hillary Clinton? What a joke.

259 republic  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:34:27pm

re: #237 hermeneutics

It will be fun to watch the polling data in the next week to see if it shows an Obama decline.

Rasmussen has a daily report that shows McCain up by three in a head-to-head against Obama (46 to 43). Perhaps Obama's numbers will sink next week to below 40 percent.

Gallup polls daily too. The last I checked McCain was one percentage point below Obama (statistically insignificant.) I'd like to see McCain open up a three or four percent lead.


Given that they all had Jon Cary winning in a landslide election night 2004, I don't pay attention to any polls.

260 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:35:14pm
261 DesertSage  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:35:16pm

re: #238 tokyobk

Contrajihadi, how do you take the statement that Mohammad, prophet of Islam was a genius organizer of men whose leadership abilities allowed him to conquer in his lifetime a wild and warring peninsula and whose total system allowed him to spread his personal system across half the planet and spanning centuries.

Do you take me as a Muslim or even sympathetic to Islam?

In what context did you make that statement? Were you showing genuine admiration for Mohammed and what he accomplished when you said it?
Were you just explaining how Islam came into existence and why it has spread so violently?

Context is everything.

262 CIA Reject  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:35:44pm

re: #232 itellu3times

You likee that, how about, in the next chair over, Associate Supreme Court Justice William Jefferson Clinton, plus whoever is under his robe.

GROAN!........ POP!

Well, now you've done it- my head's exploded.

/How 'bout a "duct tape warning" next time eh? :-)

263 Mich-again  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:35:49pm

Is there a bus pool?

I say Obama throws Michelle under the bus next.

264 Ojoe  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:35:54pm

re: #238 tokyobk

IMHO "Mo" was good at tapping the human proclivity to sin, not a good thing, yes an empire came of it.

265 nigella  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:36:09pm

Mandy if it wasn't so true, it would be funny. Is there anything the "Messiah"could do that the media would find bad enough to stop their push for his Presidency? Sadly I don't think so. They better line up some more buses.... Their going to need them!

266 Yankee Division Son  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:36:14pm

I think Hillary will wait. Perhaps even "suspend" her campaign, without throwing her support and delegates behind Obama. She will wait and let it be known she's going to Denver with her delegates, and hope Obama makes (another) mistake, and go into full meltdown.

She can then tell the DNC, "I'm here for you if you need me.."

267 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:36:49pm

re: #228 Roger

McCain will drive all the hated/despised conservatives to stay home in November. McCain isn't even started yet. The staying home trend is far from over.

Kiss me.

268 OldLineTexan  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:37:23pm

re: #252 MandyManners

What abilities? He could have sex with a goat on the Capitol steps at high noon and the media would still be on his side.

Ah, the old pandering-to-CAIR trick. Genius!

/Get SMART, America!

269 tokyobk  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:37:23pm

re: #256 joecitizen

no,loser..I offered you a troll merit badge for continuing to insist that obamassiah is some sort of brilliant politician etc etc ad nauseum...in spite of the mounting evidence for anyone with a reasonable grasp of reality...


Obama is a brilliant politician who plays th emedia like a fiddle. It may get him elected.

Joe, joe, no need to call names, now.

270 ContraJihadi  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:37:28pm

re: #238 tokyobk

Someone did in an earlier thread. I was not offended and perhaps he was just emphasizing.

Contrajihadi, how do you take the statement that Mohammad, prophet of Islam was a genius organizer of men whose leadership abilities allowed him to conquer in his lifetime a wild and warring peninsula and whose total system allowed him to spread his personal system across half the planet and spanning centuries.

Do you take me as a Muslim or even sympathetic to Islam?

"Someone" is not "everyone."

Strike the word "genius" and replace it with "very effective" or always, always add the modifier "evil" when ascribing "genius" to Mohammed, and my misgivings will diminish.

Frankly, I have given exactly no thought at all as too whether you might be a Muslim. I am responding only on the basis of how I judge the logical and factual merits of your arguments.
I went to school before p.c., multiculturalism and deconstruction slithered into the curricula. My 11th grade English teacher taught her class to pursue the ancient Greek notion of ἀρετή.

271 formercorpsman  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:37:58pm

re: #243 NJDhockeyfan

Hence, I just answered my own post possibly.

If there is any shred of truth to this, Barry thou doth protest too much.

272 republic  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:38:00pm

re: #253 Killian Bundy

Fears grow that Obama can't win


There's still plenty of woodwork.

/and we haven't even looked behind the refrigerator yet either

The entire msm and all other leftists are going to keep hammering the "racist" white people are the reason Obama can't win.

It surely can't be because of his beliefs and his "policies" and his own racist beliefs./

273 looking closely  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:38:22pm

re: #232 itellu3times

You likee that, how about, in the next chair over, Associate Supreme Court Justice William Jefferson Clinton, plus whoever is under his robe.


I think his disbarment would prevent Bill Clinton from serving as US Supreme Court Justice.

As to Hilary, apart from her tenure as US Senator (which is arguably relevant) she has zero experience in Federal Jurisprudence. She'd be an incredibly controversial choice (at best) and I think a poor choice.

If the goal is to stuff the bench with activist judges, (even female ones). I think there are probably a lot better choices out there who could fill that role.

274 tokyobk  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:38:56pm

re: #264 Ojoe

IMHO "Mo" was good at tapping the human proclivity to sin, not a good thing, yes an empire came of it.


Right. And my point is that it is possible to be aware of someones abilities without endorsing them and in the case of people with whom you disagree or threaten your vales, as Obama does to many here, it is wise not to undereticamte them and wish-dul thinking of the dangerous kind.

275 Mich-again  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:39:29pm

re: #228 Roger

I disagree. Primaries are about voting for who you like. Generals are about voting for the one you dislike the least.

276 hermeneutics  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:39:41pm

re: #243 NJDhockeyfan

AMazing, NJ! Did you see the long comment by "Mandelay?" Here's a snippet:
The reactions here, I believe, are born of deep frustration with the party and the media, as well as the injustices that have been tolerated, injustices against one of the most qualified candidates I’ve ever seen for the office of POTUS. At this point, I can only see Hillary running as an independent. I also think she can win as an independent. I have also come to believe that it is important to send a message to the DNC in November. If what they did is allowed to culminate in the election of Obama, the next election and the one after that and all the rest will be products of this slime. And fighting the “Obama Illusion” will become increasingly more difficult. Tonight’s “compromises” made at the DNC’s committee meeting have left Florida delegates with the power of half a vote. Half a vote. And reducing people to a fraction was the proposal of a black man. At one time black men had only 3/5 of a vote. See how far we’ve come. The Michigan “compromise” not only gives Obama delegates, it actually gives him 4 of HIllary’s delegates.

[Link: noquarterusa.net...]

277 CIA Reject  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:39:52pm

re: #236 nigella

CIA reject, I like that one better!

Every priest I have ever known has always had that one close in his mind because it makes his responsibility to his flock so starkly clear. Pfleger seems to have been able to forget it though- I hpe he remembers before has a very rude reminder.

278 Catttt  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:40:09pm

Sort of on topic -

This clip is hilarious (no pun intended) - it was used in the Fox earmarks special report this evening.

"I was tied up at the time...'

279 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:40:19pm

re: #222 Inquisitive

I agree with what you have said and I think everyone should think about this really hard. We need to stop throwing jabs out there and get behind him full heartedly. We need to be building him up and constantly pointing out his best points of being the next POTUS. We need to try our best to turn other voters his way. We need to remember there is lots of people out there still undecided at this point at time and that could possibly reading these post.
I will be voting for McCain because I know he would be the best for our country, not just because I don't think or want Obama or Clinton.
Sorry to anyone I may have offended or if I have stepped over the line, and I really did not like the glue horse statement.

You and me both. If you think about it, the reverse comment regarding Obama or Clinton would be just as offensive. I'm tired of sidewinders trying to tinge this election by using all the same tired dem talking points. It's pure bullshit.

280 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:40:22pm

re: #243 NJDhockeyfan

Is Larry Johnson releasing the Michelle Obama 'whitey' tape on Monday?

BREAKING NEWS: Michelle’s Whitey Problem

You know, if there's a legitimate videotape of Michelle Obama using the term "whitey", Barack’s campaign is over.

/unless, of course, he throws her under the bus

281 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:40:27pm

re: #244 WriterMom

I saw a great comment today about Obama-who cares if he's black, the problem is he's green.

Dennis Miller had a great one on "The O'Reilly Factor" the other night- "It's not the color of his skin, it's the thinness of it!"

282 pat  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:40:35pm

re: #178 Sharmuta

lol

283 Ojoe  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:40:38pm

re: #274 tokyobk

In this instance Obama is good at tapping the 'get a life' types; if there are enough of them he will win.

284 DesertSage  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:40:52pm

re: #274 tokyobk

undereticamte

Underestimate?

285 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:40:58pm
286 Roger  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:41:00pm

re: #275 Mich-again

I disagree. Primaries are about voting for who you like. Generals are about voting for the one you dislike the least.

What was your prediction in 2006?

287 joecitizen  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:41:32pm

re: #269 tokyobk

Obama is a brilliant politician who plays th emedia like a fiddle. It may get him elected.

Joe, joe, no need to call names, now.


the media suck him off because they are over filled with liberal racial guilt that makes it impossible for them to criticize or accurately portray him or his positions..this does not mean he's brilliant..lucky,maybe..a punk with decent timing,maybe..but no where near brilliant...

288 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:41:36pm

re: #244 WriterMom

I saw a great comment today about Obama-who cares if he's black, the problem is he's green.

Actually, he's Red.
He's a green red.
But not Red Green, who would make a better president, but he's Canadian

289 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:41:48pm

re: #262 CIA Reject

GROAN!........ POP!

Well, now you've done it- my head's exploded.

/How 'bout a "duct tape warning" next time eh? :-)

Blowgram for Mongo...

290 MandyManners  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:42:21pm

re: #269 tokyobk

Obama is a brilliant politician who plays th emedia like a fiddle. It may get him elected.

Joe, joe, no need to call names, now.

I've held back but, I gotta' ask if you're fucking insane.

291 mikeinmd  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:42:28pm

One other thought. A President has pardon power. If Obama was elected, who would he pardon after his disaster of a Presidency ?
Makes me shiver.

292 looking closely  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:42:43pm

re: #237 hermeneutics

It will be fun to watch the polling data in the next week to see if it shows an Obama decline.

Rasmussen has a daily report that shows McCain up by three in a head-to-head against Obama (46 to 43). Perhaps Obama's numbers will sink next week to below 40 percent.

Gallup polls daily too. The last I checked McCain was one percentage point below Obama (statistically insignificant.) I'd like to see McCain open up a three or four percent lead.


While I'll take any lead for McCain as positive, you have to take polls like this with a gigantic grain of salt.

Wasn't Gore polling ahead of Bush up until election day?

Apart from the polls themselves being somewhat unreliable, they are ephemeral. There are months before the election, whichever way the winds are blowing tomorrow means very little, as both Obama and McCain start spinning whichever ways they think will gain them votes.

It might be better for McCain's campaign motivationally if they think he is behind.

293 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:42:47pm

re: #285 song_and_dance_man

Are you?

/Here's my segue for yet another B. Hussein campaign song.

Thou currish earth-vexing codpiece!

Comfortably Numb

I despise that song.

294 pat  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:42:52pm

Serious question. One LGFer said that there is no record of Obama's Great Uncle serving in the 89th. True?

295 NY Nana  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:43:08pm

re: #273 looking closely

And Shrill's record at the Rose Law Firm?

296 vrwc007  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:43:15pm

My view may be colored by the fact I live in the state that sent BO to Washington. The MSM is going to pull out all the stops to elect BO. Every small mistake that McCain makes will be amplified 1000 times while any mistakes made by BO will never be mentioned more that once in passing. McCain has already said he will not run a negative campaign. BO and the MSM will pound away and the "independents" will take the bait. The fact that the empty suit BO has made it this far should cause every to be very afraid.

297 Dasher  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:43:21pm

If I were Hillary I would stay in until the convention. Delegate votes do not count until cast, and they will not be cast until the convention. Only then will we know if she lost to the bus driver or not.

298 Ojoe  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:43:25pm

re: #280 Killian Bundy

Well the bus is ready.

299 realwest  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:43:43pm

Hey Y'all - been a weird, long and tiring day. I did notice, however that the Dem's have handed Michigan and Florida to the Republicans.
And who knows how Mrs. Clinton's hard-core "fans" are gonna react to her losing the nomination (IF she does, I'm still not convinced) and NOT "even" being the VP?

I do have to say, though, that, as Charles said, the Dems have apparently decided - well ok, not based on popular vote, but the Dem powers that be have decided on perhaps the MOST radical candidate they could put up for POTUS and you know what - McCain is STILL gonna have a helluva time beating him.
It's spelled Charisma and unless a lot more Charisma wears off before the general election, McCain is gonna have a helluva tough time.

300 Biff  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:44:07pm

re: #291 mikeinmd

Mumia

301 republic  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:44:36pm

re: #273 looking closely

I think his disbarment would prevent Bill Clinton from serving as US Supreme Court Justice.

As to Hilary, apart from her tenure as US Senator (which is arguably relevant) she has zero experience in Federal Jurisprudence. She'd be an incredibly controversial choice (at best) and I think a poor choice.

If the goal is to stuff the bench with activist judges, (even female ones). I think there are probably a lot better choices out there who could fill that role.


People need to start realizing that the Republicans are not going to be able to stop anything if the Dems have a veto proof majority.

The only saving grace may be, that these Democrats who are running to the right of Republicans, and winning, are the real deal, as many from the 2006 elections have proven to be.

302 MandyManners  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:45:35pm

re: #278 Catttt

Sort of on topic -

This clip is hilarious (no pun intended) - it was used in the Fox earmarks special report this evening.

"I was tied up at the time...'

Contrast that "just let me eat my waffle".

303 Roger  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:45:41pm

It isn't that Obamessiah is brilliant or a genius; just that the people are ripe for a lower than medocrity to be given the Emperor's clothes.

304 DesertSage  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:45:43pm

re: #288 Kosh's Shadow

Actually, he's Red.
He's a green red.
But not Red Green, who would make a better president, but he's Canadian

Oh no....not Red Green!
The man is hilarious, he would make a great president!

305 gop_patriot  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:46:05pm

re: #278 Catttt

Love it! Thanks for posting. :)

306 big L  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:46:12pm

I think Hill arranges for Gore to come in after acouple of ballots at the Convention...he picks Obyama as VP.
Southern State/Machine political-Northern state.
Hill looks like peacemaker,appears between them both.
1. preserves her constiuency
2. keeps the Blacks in Dem column.
3. Gets offered and accepts Senate Majority Leader.
4. Harry Reid repairs bus mufflers.(not a perfect scenario)

307 Mich-again  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:46:14pm

re: #286 Roger

What was your prediction in 2006?

hmmm. That Ned Lamont was going to lose to Joe Lieberman. (right). That the Tigers were going to beat the Cardinals in the World Series. (wrong) So I was 50/50.

308 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:46:40pm

re: #251 WriterMom

who is that?

Larry Johnson?

He's a Hillary supporter who claims he has a video of Michelle Obama at Trinity going on a racist rant saying 'whitey' this and 'whitey' that. Obama will have to throw her under the bus if Johnson has a real bad video.

309 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:46:56pm
310 tokyobk  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:47:02pm

re: #283 Ojoe

In this instance Obama is good at tapping the 'get a life' types; if there are enough of them he will win.


Joe, please listen for a second on the assumption which I think is probably true that if you and I met we could have a favorite beverage together and probably get along:

Your reference to me as a 'loser' and that Obama's base is made up of 'get a life' types is exactly the kind of dangerous denial that liberals of the 80's engaged in when the shift in th landscape was so outside of their understanding of reality.

Obama's army of volunteers come from Ivy grads, bankers, lawyers, writers. Most of the really smart young people I know are Obama kool-aid drinkers You can disagree with all of them, or not value them as much as they value themselves, but they by every definition they have lives just as the assessment that I am a 'loser' by any measure (except karaoke at which I truly suck) would be shocking to anyone who knows me. A-hole, maybe.

Lets agree to disagree as the general is just starting. Lets watch it play out. I believe Obama is a formidable candidate and has genius qualities in terms of political intuition.

311 Ojoe  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:47:14pm

re: #306 big L

Big Medicine! Wu !

312 formercorpsman  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:47:18pm

re: #299 realwest

Realwest, you just answered it.

If Bill knows she can't get the nomination, and he does not want to shoulder the blame for a 68 recap, this would be his reasoning for accepting half the delegates.

He knows it will sink Obama in the general, and get back at the DNC.

He ceded their wishes, they can only blame themselves.

313 realwest  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:47:23pm

re: #292 looking closely
While I agree with everything you said, one thing really stood out to me: "Wasn't Gore polling ahead of Bush up until election day?"
Yes, and iirc Gore did win more popular votes than did Bush, didn't he?

314 hermeneutics  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:47:51pm

re: #292 looking closely

In 2004, Blumenthal's blog was a must-read for pollsters ... now, its disappointing. Still, the comments on his blog are great for understanding the limitations and biases of particular pollsters.

Likely > registered > all. I only look at "likely" voter polls, now. Big samples. Small MOE.

Yes, polls are way off, often. Some polls, however, are better than others and are a good indice where the candidate stands.

315 Biff  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:48:21pm

re: #292 looking closely

The key polling number is Obama's percentage. There is very little reason to believe that he has much upside from where he now stands. Maybe a few Hillary supporters who are now polling as "neither", but if he is only polling 43%, he should be dead meat (figuratively, of course) in November.

316 big L  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:49:01pm

303-roger- -wasn't it Sen Roman Hruska that said "even the mediocre constituents deserve representation"?

317 pat  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:49:04pm

I am a polling panel member. Feed me.

318 rabidfox  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:49:25pm

Conspiracy theory time: Soros can control obama. I don't think that he can control hillary. Soros owns the dnc. ergo, the DNC throws the candidacy toward obama.

319 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:49:35pm

re: #304 DesertSage

Oh no....not Red Green!
The man is hilarious, he would make a great president!

Can you imagine Ahmadinejad invited to Possum Lodge for a pig barbeque and beer?

320 Opilio  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:49:48pm

re: #219 Honorary Yooper

Connecticut, whatever. Remember, ZERO FOR TWENTY MARKOS supports Obama.

/What'll that be, Markos, 0 for 21 then?

When the Dem primary season started, it was mildly entertaining to visit Kozland periodically to observe the internecine squabbling and bomb throwing between the Clinton/Edwards/Obama/Kucinich camps.

But by Super Tuesday or shortly thereafter, there was a defacto purge, and the place became a temple of Obama worship. It's pretty creepy now - the reverence they hold for this man.

I fervently hope McCain is elected in November. First and foremost for the safety, security, and continued health of our country. But secondly, because I want to watch a complete Kozland meltdown. If that makes me a bad person, so be it.

321 looking closely  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:49:57pm

re: #280 Killian Bundy

You know, if there's a legitimate videotape of Michelle Obama using the term "whitey", Barack’s campaign is over.

/unless, of course, he throws her under the bus

This I'd like to see.

322 Roger  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:50:26pm

It isn't that Obamessiah is brilliant or a genius; just that the people are ripe for a lower than medocrity to be given the Emperor's clothes.re: #307 Mich-again lol!

323 joecitizen  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:50:40pm

re: #310 tokyobk

Joe, please listen for a second on the assumption which I think is probably true that if you and I met we could have a favorite beverage together and probably get along:

Your reference to me as a 'loser' and that Obama's base is made up of 'get a life' types is exactly the kind of dangerous denial that liberals of the 80's engaged in when the shift in th landscape was so outside of their understanding of reality.

Obama's army of volunteers come from Ivy grads, bankers, lawyers, writers. Most of the really smart young people I know are Obama kool-aid drinkers You can disagree with all of them, or not value them as much as they value themselves, but they by every definition they have lives just as the assessment that I am a 'loser' by any measure (except karaoke at which I truly suck) would be shocking to anyone who knows me. A-hole, maybe.

Lets agree to disagree as the general is just starting. Lets watch it play out. I believe Obama is a formidable candidate and has genius qualities in terms of political intuition.

I think you're running your joes together..pay attention,man,or NOBODY will take you seriously..

324 Inquisitive  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:50:53pm

re: #269 tokyobk

Obama is a brilliant politician who plays th emedia like a fiddle. It may get him elected.

Joe, joe, no need to call names, now.


Are you listening to, learning about, and reading about the same Obama that we are. What makes you think that he is a brilliant politician. PLEASE EXPLAIN! He does not play the media-- they are the ones TRYING to make him look BRILLIANT

325 republic  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:50:57pm

re: #296 vrwc007

My view may be colored by the fact I live in the state that sent BO to Washington. The MSM is going to pull out all the stops to elect BO. Every small mistake that McCain makes will be amplified 1000 times while any mistakes made by BO will never be mentioned more that once in passing. McCain has already said he will not run a negative campaign. BO and the MSM will pound away and the "independents" will take the bait. The fact that the empty suit BO has made it this far should cause every to be very afraid.

That is the key point.

The fact that he is where he is at, says lot about this country.

There seems to be a trend which is not going to get better with time, no matter what happens.

326 DesertSage  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:51:24pm

re: #313 realwest

Yes, and iirc Gore did win more popular votes than did Bush, didn't he?

Yes, Gore beat Bush by half million in the popular vote. That's why Lefties have been screaming about 'selected, not elected' ever since.

Hillary will beat Obama in the popular vote now, but Lefty doesn't seem to care this time.

327 Mich-again  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:51:29pm

I think Hillary should start a 3rd Party run.

hehe

328 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:51:44pm
329 Ma Sands  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:52:00pm

re: #318 rabidfox

Oof! He does not look nice! How old is he anyway, do you know?

330 MandyManners  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:52:08pm

re: #310 tokyobk

Joe, please listen for a second on the assumption which I think is probably true that if you and I met we could have a favorite beverage together and probably get along:

Your reference to me as a 'loser' and that Obama's base is made up of 'get a life' types is exactly the kind of dangerous denial that liberals of the 80's engaged in when the shift in th landscape was so outside of their understanding of reality.

Obama's army of volunteers come from Ivy grads, bankers, lawyers, writers. Most of the really smart young people I know are Obama kool-aid drinkers You can disagree with all of them, or not value them as much as they value themselves, but they by every definition they have lives just as the assessment that I am a 'loser' by any measure (except karaoke at which I truly suck) would be shocking to anyone who knows me. A-hole, maybe.

Lets agree to disagree as the general is just starting. Lets watch it play out. I believe Obama is a formidable candidate and has genius qualities in terms of political intuition.

Now I know you're fucking insane.

Have you ever heard of George Soros?

331 ContraJihadi  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:52:18pm

re: #299 realwest

you know what - McCain is STILL gonna have a helluva time beating him.
It's spelled Charisma and unless a lot more Charisma wears off before the general election, McCain is gonna have a helluva tough time.

I fear you may be correct, because I fear that good sense might have escaped the majority* of voters, that they have been seduced into believing that such European nostrums as universal health care rationed by federal bureaucrats and precipitous withdrawal from overseas engagements will pave their way to nirvana.

----
* Enough to produce a majority in the electoral college.

332 Ojoe  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:52:46pm

re: #310 tokyobk

IMHO Obama is extremely naive, probably likable as a person, but in no way a good choice to lead the country.

In fact, he can't lead it after saying "typical white person".

His ideas on disarmament are foolishness as well.

I do not believe that smartness except the youngest person's smartness could be taken in by BHO.

I think that even by age 30 you'd see through him.

333 Mich-again  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:53:17pm

So the Wings are going to clinch Monday night at the Joe. And I will be on a freaking business trip to Mexico. sigh. But I heard a rumor they have beer there.

334 realwest  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:53:43pm

re: #312 formercorpsman Yup - but I STILL think McCain is gonna have a tough time with both the Dems (minus those die-hard Hillary "fans" and Florida - if not necessarily Michigan cause Obama wasn't on the ballot in Michigan) and the MSM looking to screw McCain and push Obama every which way they possibly can.
Still and all, BO has SO MANY NEGATIVES after a while it's gonna be impossible for the MSM to cover for him, SOME prominent Dem's haven't sold their souls completely and will be on the news talk show circuit that he's gonna have to run a pretty near perfect campaign and he could get taken out if McCain develops that fire in the belly.
Never thought I'd see a Dem with more Negatives than Hillary, but there you are.

335 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:53:45pm

re: #280 Killian Bundy

You know, if there's a legitimate videotape of Michelle Obama using the term "whitey", Barack’s campaign is over.

Don't be so certain. Running against a First Lady, or potential, has proven to be a losing venture. Bob Dole ran against Hillary, and got his backside handed to him.

336 republic  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:54:00pm

re: #299 realwest

Hey Y'all - been a weird, long and tiring day. I did notice, however that the Dem's have handed Michigan and Florida to the Republicans.
And who knows how Mrs. Clinton's hard-core "fans" are gonna react to her losing the nomination (IF she does, I'm still not convinced) and NOT "even" being the VP?

I do have to say, though, that, as Charles said, the Dems have apparently decided - well ok, not based on popular vote, but the Dem powers that be have decided on perhaps the MOST radical candidate they could put up for POTUS and you know what - McCain is STILL gonna have a helluva time beating him.
It's spelled Charisma and unless a lot more Charisma wears off before the general election, McCain is gonna have a helluva tough time.

Obama's "charisma" has really been taking a nosedive of late.

He was a complete idiot at his press conference today, where while he denounced his church, his church wasn't worthy of denunciation, so said the idiot.

Obama needs to be mocked into oblivion.

337 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:55:07pm

McCain releases 1000+ pages of medical records, Obama releases a note from his doctor.

/hmmm, I want an Obama hair sample

338 NY Nana  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:55:10pm

re: #294 pat

Serious question. One LGFer said that there is no record of Obama's Great Uncle serving in the 89th. True?

This is a lot to read, Pat, but the bottom line is that he did serve...and you literally have to almost go to the bottom line! I don't want to quote it, as reading the whole thing was an edumacation.

Lying about a family member liberating a concentration camp? You know what I would have said if it was true. That Hussein was yet again totally confused? No surprise there.

339 Ojoe  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:55:16pm

Time to ZZZZZ

see you all tomorrow.

340 Mich-again  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:55:21pm

re: #334 realwest

Any hint that Obama is not pro gun rights will do him in with the formidable redneck Democrat voting bloc here.

341 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:56:07pm

re: #310 tokyobk

Are you a Burger King in Tokyo?

342 realwest  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:56:29pm

re: #318 rabidfox Well I don't know if Soros owns the DNC, but he sure has a big chunk of it so you could be right.
But the Dems have a history of rising from the dead; who'd have thought, after Bush beat Kerry so badly in 2004 that the Dems would take the off-year congressional elections in such a spectaculor fashion?

343 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:56:41pm

I see tokyobk has been causing more trouble while I've been gone.

344 Catttt  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:56:47pm

Surprisingly, I have received several hot retort type comments on my Obama, Flag Pins, and Lies video. They either try to say "who cares" (people who watch Senator O lie care) or say the vid is "out of context" (even though it is in chronological order, with dates and places).

I must be over the target - I'm receiving flak. Pleasant surprise. My other Obama vid (Obama Dream) is apparently too subtle for anyone to perceive as anti-Obama.

345 Opilio  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:57:25pm

re: #272 republic

The entire msm and all other leftists are going to keep hammering the "racist" white people are the reason Obama can't win.

That could just become a self-fulfilling prophecy. The sufferers of "white guilt" are already in Barry's camp. Calling everyone else racist for the next 5 months should ensure a McCain landslide.

346 Ma Sands  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:57:46pm

re: #344 Catttt

Doin' well. :)

347 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:58:05pm
348 realwest  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:58:15pm

re: #320 Opilio "I want to watch a complete Kozland meltdown. If that makes me a bad person, so be it."
Who on earth would say that makes you a bad person (other than Markos and the koskids, I mean)?!?

349 DesertSage  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:58:33pm

re: #310 tokyobk

Obama's army of volunteers come from Ivy grads, bankers, lawyers, writers.

Do you remember the last time a Democrat candidate got an 'army of volunteers'? The last time that the turnout in the primaries was so high?

It was in 1972. In fact, the primary turnout was even higher than it is this year. People wanted....wait for it....CHANGE!

Do you know what happened to the Democrat candidate in 1972? Look it up...it wasn't pretty.

350 FrogMarch  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:58:36pm

The truth is even most democrats can't stand her. She's a lousy candidate.

351 DoubleU  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:58:52pm

If Hillary leaves, she will take a bunch of dems away from Obama
Link 1:


Link 2: [Link: www.lindasog.com...]

352 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:59:13pm

re: #337 Killian Bundy

McCain releases 1000+ pages of medical records, Obama releases a note from his doctor.

/hmmm, I want an Obama hair sample

A positive follicle drug find would simply be explained off as: "I must have been in a room where folks were... but I wasn't paying attention..."

353 looking closely  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:59:22pm

re: #295 NY Nana

And Shrill's record at the Rose Law Firm?


I think she would be a bad choice for a number of reasons, and I don't really think she would get that nomination.

Unlike most nominees, she 's not a "dark horse"; and she has a high public unfavorable rating. Her nomination would (rightly, IMO) be viewed as a partisan payoff rather than a merit-based appointment, and I think even a lot of Democrats would be skeptical. I don't think Obama would want to waste one of his shots on her when there would be less controversial and better candidates out there.

Assuming she got that nod, ultimately it would come down to numbers. Would there be enough Senate Democrat defectors to prevent her from being seated? I think there probably would.

354 wolfie  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:59:33pm

re: #306 big L

I think Hill arranges for Gore to come in after acouple of ballots at the Convention...he picks Obyama as VP.
Southern State/Machine political-Northern state.
Hill looks like peacemaker,appears between them both.
1. preserves her constiuency
2. keeps the Blacks in Dem column.
3. Gets offered and accepts Senate Majority Leader.
4. Harry Reid repairs bus mufflers.(not a perfect scenario)

Al Gore couldn't win a single Southern state in 2000. (If he had managed to win his own state of TN, he would have won the election.)

Since 2000 he has done nothing to endear himself to anyone but the moonbat elite. He's no spring chicken and he's old news. He's stiff as a board and could make even McCain look perky.

Making Obama VP .especially the VP of some white male who didn't earn a single primary vote...........would be like making him sit in the back of the bus. It will not happen.

355 Mich-again  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:59:46pm

Coming soon to a Kos near you.. Hillary Derangement Syndrome.

356 FrogMarch  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:00:32pm

Here's the deal though- - the Clintons
never
go
away.

357 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:01:04pm

Turn on Fox.

/an expose on earmarks, it'll make you mad

358 Mich-again  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:01:05pm

re: #354 wolfie

It will not happen.

You are right about that. That was nUtZ.

359 realwest  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:01:23pm

re: #322 Roger Nah, Obama has been very shrewdly marketed as a sort of "Rock Star" and, frankly, Hillary seriously underestimated him and relied pretty much on advisors her husband used to get elected for what -
12 years ago? And whether or not we LIKE Obama's advisors, they've done a masterful job for him.
But that which made him could just as easily bring him down

360 Catttt  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:01:43pm

re: #335 unrealizedviewpoint

Don't be so certain. Running against a First Lady, or potential, has proven to be a losing venture. Bob Dole ran against Hillary, and got his backside handed to him.

But potential First Ladies can contribute - or not. Think Mrs. Heinz-Kerry. She was imho not helpful to Senator Kerry in oh so many little ways.

The other thing to keep in mind is that Mrs. Obama has involved herself in the campaign in a way that to many makes her fair game. That makes it a whole different ball game.

361 republic  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:01:44pm

re: #340 Mich-again

Any hint that Obama is not pro gun rights will do him in with the formidable redneck Democrat voting bloc here.

Any hint?

Are you serious?

His anti-gun record is 100% for his entire political career!

100% anti-firearm, and every anti-gun vote directly targeted law abiding firearms owners.

Oh what's the use.

He voted against law abiding Illinois firearms owners being able to use a firearm in their own homes for self-defense!

362 DoubleU  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:02:17pm

re: #356 FrogMarch

Here's the deal though- - the Clintons
never go away.

Quote from RedStateUpdate

The Clintons are like herpes but worse they never go away and they talk!
363 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:02:27pm

re: #357 Killian Bundy

Turn on Fox.

/an expose on earmarks, it'll make you mad

You can't talk about BHO's ears! Racist!

364 formercorpsman  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:02:35pm

re: #310 tokyobk

Perhaps the divergence of opinion is this.

You post asserts that Obama is akin to a brilliant politician, recall Bill in the early 90's.

I would say you are correct, as it applies to masses who vote solely on emotion, and maybe a smidgen of actual substance, hence, the reason when most are asked what he has done, they respond with what they feel about him, and not a real answer.

So under the circumstances, I guess he could be a brilliant politician, but this only plays fractionally with the country.

At the same time, it has been proven time and again, take him off of his script, and this guy has a glass jaw. His verbal cadence, poetic rhythm, and transcendental ability diminish huge.

It is obvious, with everyone here, the guy is an empty suit. The media doesn't just throw softballs, they put the it on the tee for him.

He swings, it goes to the infield, and for what would otherwise be a sure out, it goes over the first baseman's head, and he advances to second on a technicality.

I think this is the stumbling block with respect to the brilliance.

365 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:02:41pm
366 Mich-again  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:03:00pm

re: #356 FrogMarch

Here's the deal though- - the Clintons
never
go
away.

It was either MoDo or Susan Estrich who noted that the Clinton's "suck all the gas out of the room."

367 CIA Reject  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:04:24pm

re: #289 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Blowgram for Mongo...

LOL!

368 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:04:44pm
369 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:05:34pm
370 realwest  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:05:37pm

re: #326 DesertSage Yeppers.
When Hillary was behind in the popular vote and Obama was behind in the Superdelegate votes, all Obama's campaign - and the MSM - could say was "let the voters decide". Now that SHE's ahead in popular vote and he's ahead in the superdelegates, there's is no longer any concern about the nominee being selected by a very small group of mostly men in a cigar smoke filled room.

As I've said, I'm nervous about McCain's chances, but I do think Obama can be HAD - but we need McCain to literally get his ass in gear and stop this bullshit "high road game"; it might work if the MSM wasn't so much in the tank for Obama, but they are and it won't work.

371 Mich-again  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:05:42pm

re: #361 republic

His anti-gun record is 100% for his entire political career!

Then he can't win this State.

372 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:05:57pm

re: #366 Mich-again

It was either MoDo or Susan Estrich who noted that the Clinton's "suck all the gas out of the room."

/They could have just recommended taking Beano.

373 looking closely  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:06:08pm

re: #325 republic

That is the key point.

The fact that he is where he is at, says lot about this country.

There seems to be a trend which is not going to get better with time, no matter what happens.

Eh. . .

When it comes down to it, the only serious contender in the race on the Dem side was Clinton, and she came into it with the highest unpopularity rating in the contest. .

I predicted here over a year ago, (ie long before Obama was a "phenomenon" or even on anyone's radar screen), that she wouldn't get the nod. And so it seems to be. With Clinton simply not strong enough, Obama is the "next best" choice.

To me this isn't so much about the strength of Obama, but rather about the bankrupcy of the Democrats.

The "best" they have is a 1.5 term senator who is the wife of a President, and a guy with less than one term as senator and an embarassingly thin CV.

374 republic  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:07:25pm

re: #371 Mich-again

Then he can't win this State.

He shouldn't be able to win WI or IL on that basis, but he will, hands down, no matter what.

375 ContraJihadi  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:08:19pm

tokyobk

I agree with you that ad hominems do not advance the discussion, but if you want to win respect on LGF for your agruments, you are obliged to address the logic of the objections other lizards have raised against your claims. You must avoid speculating as to their motivations or highlighting either their allegiances or your own.

376 Mich-again  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:08:26pm

re: #369 song_and_dance_man

And it was $Estrich that said that.

You are right on both counts..

One of the statements that former Dukakis campaign manager, Fox News contributor and Democratic talking head Susan Estrich makes often is that whenever either Bill or Hillary Clinton get involved in a current event, “They suck all the air out of the room.” Meaning, whatever is going on, if it involved them even a little, they insist on it becoming all about them!
377 formercorpsman  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:08:44pm

re: #355 Mich-again

That is something that has been on my mind.

It is a perfect scenario.

Knowing the truther-ism is bullshit, this allows them the perfect segue for what they have not suggested yet.

What about the first Trade Center bombing? Was that an inside job?

It will be their perfect marriage for their BDS.

378 Sharmuta  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:09:09pm

DenVER! DenVER! DenVER!

379 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:09:11pm

re: #373 looking closely

Eh. . .

When it comes down to it, the only serious contender in the race on the Dem side was Clinton, and she came into it with the highest unpopularity rating in the contest. .

I predicted here over a year ago, (ie long before Obama was a "phenomenon" or even on anyone's radar screen), that she wouldn't get the nod. And so it seems to be. With Clinton simply not strong enough, Obama is the "next best" choice.

To me this isn't so much about the strength of Obama, but rather about the bankrupcy of the Democrats.

The "best" they have is a 1.5 term senator who is the wife of a President, and a guy with less than one term as senator and an embarassingly thin CV.

Damn you! Why didn't you post this BEFORE the Powerball drawing tonight?

/ J/K! : )

380 realwest  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:09:19pm

re: #337 Killian Bundy YEAH! LOL! Why do you think he keeps it so short?!
LOL!

381 Catttt  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:10:12pm

re: #346 Ma Sands

Doin' well. :)

Still, my most highly rated video remains my Samael vid. :D I get totally different types on my Obama vids (political junkies), my jets/bombs/war vid (boys mostly - boys who think jets are cool, dude), and my Samael vid (obviously, Samael fans). The Samael and jets fans are more fun; the political junkies are more funny.

382 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:10:32pm

re: #337 Killian Bundy

McCain releases 1000+ pages of medical records, Obama releases a note from his doctor.

/hmmm, I want an Obama hair sample

It's life, Jim, but not as we know it.
Or maybe "Jim, this man is a Klingon". No, too wimpy. A Klingon would never retreat from battle.

383 Mich-again  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:10:34pm

re: #373 looking closely

long before Obama was a "phenomenon"


Obamanomenon?

384 wolfie  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:10:58pm

re: #360 Catttt

I agree w/ you.
I am confident that McCain will leave the criticism for someone else, BTW.
Michelle can hurt Obama BADLY.

385 solomonpanting  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:11:03pm

McGovern, Carter*, Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, Kerry, Obama...
If this were a baseball team they'd be less than the '62 Mets.

*notwithstanding his '76 win

386 tokyobk  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:11:44pm

re: #364 formercorpsman

Perhaps the divergence of opinion is this.

So under the circumstances, I guess he could be a brilliant politician, but this only plays fractionally with the country.

At the same time, it has been prov en time and again, take him off of his script, and this guy has a glass jaw. His verbal cadence, poetic rhythm, and transcendental ability diminish huge.

You made most of my point more clearly than I could.

Joe et all... lets just see how things play out. I stand by my statement that Obama is best not underestimated and agree completely that America deserves better than the the glib skills which politicians like Obama and early Clinton excel.

I would add and it was part of my point to Joe about writing off Obama supporters that if in the estimation Obama has hoodwinked people with his rhetorical skills and playing on race that 1) that is a conscious proactive move on his part, meaning the MSM did not create him, he inserted himself into the MSM on his own terms and 2) Those people might be wrong, wrongheaded, and foolish but they are hardly inconsequential people, rather people who have real power in the media, finance, education and politics.

387 Mich-again  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:11:51pm

re: #377 formercorpsman

If there are any Hillary=Bush signs in Denver, it will really cheese off the scorned woman voting bloc.

388 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:12:36pm
389 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:12:37pm

re: #360 Catttt

But potential First Ladies can contribute - or not. Think Mrs. Heinz-Kerry. She was imho not helpful to Senator Kerry in oh so many little ways.

The other thing to keep in mind is that Mrs. Obama has involved herself in the campaign in a way that to many makes her fair game. That makes it a whole different ball game.

I don't know if Theresa Heinz hurt or helped his Kerry's campaign.

Michelle Obama's fair game absolutely! I fear only that many may focus political attacks on her, and attacks against the spouse of the candidate don't necessarily work.

390 realwest  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:12:38pm

re: #351 DoubleU Hey want do you mean if Hillary leaves? What, leaves the Dem party and runs a third party candidacy? I don't think there's ANY chance of that happening, at all.

391 formercorpsman  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:13:12pm

re: #387 Mich-again

It warms the cackles of my heart.

392 David Simon  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:13:14pm

re: #310 tokyobk

I believe Obama is a formidable candidate and has genius qualities in terms of political intuition.

Genius is too strong a word. He's a bright guy who's black. And to his followers, that's good enough. Nothing else matters.

393 Opilio  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:13:48pm

re: #348 realwest

"I want to watch a complete Kozland meltdown. If that makes me a bad person, so be it."
Who on earth would say that makes you a bad person (other than Markos and the koskids, I mean)?!?

To derive satisfaction from observing the mental anguish of others is part of Human nature, but not something I'd put on my resume.

394 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:14:02pm

re: #385 solomonpanting

McGovern, Carter*, Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, Kerry, Obama...
If this were a baseball team they'd be less than the '62 Mets.

*notwithstanding his '76 win

Carter only won because Gerald Ford did the right thing in pardoning Nixon. Ford knew it would cost him.

395 Steffan  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:14:42pm

re: #219 Honorary Yooper

Actually, I think he got one. So he's something like 1 for 22 or so. It's still a rotten batting average, but not entirely hopeless.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

396 Ma Sands  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:14:48pm

re: #381 Catttt

I am sad, I forgot you had a site......thanks for re-reminding me.....I will be browsing in there..... :)

397 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:15:38pm
398 NY Nana  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:16:08pm

re: #220 formercorpsman

The only problem Nana, is that message was directly for the Jewish voters in her state.

They bought it, IIRC, she had a pretty good turnout for this block when she was elected as Senator.

And as a New Yorker, I was even more livid. Why my fellow Jews vote for someone like Carter, Bubba, Shrillary, et al? Not a clue!

My last vote, as a Demonrat, was Carter the Jew hater...and a few months into his term, we left the Demonrats, and never looked back. We were indies, which in NYS precludes voting in a primary, so we became registered Republicans in time to vote in the primary of 2000.

Old habits die hard, but the idea of Jews voting for a Demonrat, as the party has changed so much, and now is not hospitable to Jews, where Lieberman was Albore's lap dog?

If they do not heed a wake up call, then they will find out in a very hard way just how deluded they were.

399 jamsler  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:16:27pm

Methinks someone useth yon Shakesperian insulter.....

Thou mammering tardy-gaited bladder!

400 Syrah  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:16:45pm

Dang.

I go out for a walk on the beach and everybody gets thrown under the bus, even Hill.

It's going to be an interesting election.

401 formercorpsman  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:16:47pm

re: #389 unrealizedviewpoint

Man, I would have a hard time thinking she helped Kerry in the public eye.

Perhaps behind the scenes networking, but that chick was fit to be tied.

There is no doubt in my mind, when Joe six-pack turned on his boob tube for the night, and she was on screen, he just cringed at the sight of her.

She had a wild look in her eye.

402 DesertSage  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:16:54pm

re: #395 Steffan

Actually, I think he got one. So he's something like 1 for 22 or so. It's still a rotten batting average, but not entirely hopeless.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

He's only 1 for 22?
He better get another one right fast, or he'll be worse than the clock.

403 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:17:05pm

re: #397 savage_nation

I'll be there! I was promised a load from the boss.

The dems ordered the horse manure already?

404 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:17:22pm
405 Opilio  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:17:29pm

re: #382 Kosh's Shadow

It's life, Jim, but not as we know it.

A StarTrekkin' (Dr. Demento) reference?

406 tokyobk  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:17:49pm

re: #392 David Simon

Genius is too strong a word. He's a bright guy who's black. And to his followers, that's good enough. Nothing else matters.


I strongly disagree with this.

All of the crop of bright "gonna be the first black president," meaning Cory Booker, Harold Ford and several others have had white fans swoon when they speak a full sentence in standard English.

Obama has shown himself as something much, much more than that and he also believed that it was time to run against the Clintons as none of the other Great Black Hopes dared.

Obama is much more of a man of his own creation than some here give him credit and while using white guilt to his favor is much more than just that. Let us see.

Anyway, good day Lizards!

407 Mich-again  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:17:53pm

re: #391 formercorpsman

It warms the cackles of my heart.

Then this will warm your sub coccle area.. I'm an arsehole!

408 Sharmuta  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:18:11pm

re: #384 wolfie

I agree w/ you.
I am confident that McCain will leave the criticism for someone else, BTW.
Michelle can hurt Obama BADLY.

I think she can totally hurt him, and tossing her under the bus would be just as bad as keeping her, if not worse.

409 looking closely  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:19:12pm

re: #389 unrealizedviewpoint

I don't know if Theresa Heinz hurt or helped his Kerry's campaign.

Michelle Obama's fair game absolutely! I fear only that many may focus political attacks on her, and attacks against the spouse of the candidate don't necessarily work.

Let's say she said "Whitey".
Let's say it was captured on videotape.
Let's say it even seemed to be in anger.

SO WHAT?

If Obama can spin his way out of a 20+ year association with Wright, he can spin his way out of that one. He's already established that Black racism is acceptable "in context".

Michelle Obama will apologize, claim she was angry, or that the remarks were taken out of context.

Barack Obama will say that he isn't his wife, and that she isn't running for office, and has already apologized, so what's the big deal and why do you keep beating on my wife, (you goddamn racists).

So I don't know how badly this will hurt him. Anyone who would still be willing to vote for him after the Wright mess would probably still be willing to do so after a gaffe like this on his wife's part.

410 NY Nana  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:19:51pm

re: #400 Syrah

That'll teach you to go to the beach! ;)

411 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:20:08pm

re: #401 formercorpsman

Man, I would have a hard time thinking she helped Kerry in the public eye.

Perhaps behind the scenes networking, but that chick was fit to be tied.

There is no doubt in my mind, when Joe six-pack turned on his boob tube for the night, and she was on screen, he just cringed at the sight of her.

She had a wild look in her eye.

Well me too! But I was already against Kerry, and that was years before I even heard his name spoken. I believe I may have been predisposed to dislike the witch.

412 republic  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:20:21pm

OT

Another "moderate" muslim outburst,

Madrassa teacher beats boy to deathPublished: Saturday, 31 May, 2008, 01:59 AM Doha Time

MULTAN: A blind seven-year-old student at an Islamic school in eastern Pakistan has died after his teacher punished him for not learning the Qur’an, police said yesterday.
Mohammed Atif was hung upside down from a ceiling fan and severely beaten by his teacher, Qari Ziauddin, at the seminary or madrassa in Vihari, near Lahore on Thursday, they said.
Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani had ordered an inquiry into the death, an official statement said.
“The prime minister has expressed his deep sorrow and concern over the tragic death of Mohammed Atif, who reportedly died as a result of corporal punishment by his teacher,” the statement said.
The police said the teacher had been arrested on charges of torturing and murdering the boy.
“Qari Ziauddin, who teaches Qur’an to boys in Qari Latif Islamic school, hanged Atif upside down with a ceiling fan in the school after beating him with sticks, which caused his death,” local police official Akram Niazi told AFP.
The teacher also failed to take the boy to hospital after he fell ill and his condition deteriorated, he said.
The police said a postmortem report also confirmed physical torture as the cause of death.
Pakistan’s 13,000 registered madrassas offer free schooling and board to hundreds of thousands of poor children in this devout nation, but some have also been linked to Islamic extremism. – AFP

Sub human barbarians!

413 yenta-fada  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:20:58pm

re: #280 Killian Bundy

I have no doubt that Michelle blames white people for the problems of blacks, not to mention her inability to transcend color as the defining characteristic of a human being. What mother would allow her children to be brainwashed with race hatred during their formative years? Having it on video is handy, but it should be obvious by now. Love and respect are reserved for black people at TUCC.

414 wolfie  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:21:27pm

re: #408 Sharmuta

I think she can totally hurt him, and tossing her under the bus would be just as bad as keeping her, if not worse.

He CAN'T toss her under the bus anymore than Bill could toss Hillary or Hillary could toss Bill. No can do!
Besides, I have a feeling Michelle would bite the tires!

415 realwest  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:22:06pm

re: #393 Opilio Hey my friend, here's a clue for ya: don't put it on your resume!
Seriously, Kos and the kids are the most vile collection of Anti-Semitic, Anti-Americans in the blogosphere, hands down and going away. I have no trouble or problem with wishing them a meltdown. NONE.

416 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:22:17pm

re: #405 Opilio

A StarTrekkin' (Dr. Demento) reference?

Actually, Star Trek used that line.
The Firm used it and other lines for Star Trekkin.

There's Klingons on the starboard bow, starboard bow starboard bow'
Well, scrape them off, Jim!

417 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:22:34pm

re: #409 looking closely

Let's say she said "Whitey".
Let's say it was captured on videotape.
Let's say it even seemed to be in anger.

SO WHAT?

If Obama can spin his way out of a 20+ year association with Wright, he can spin his way out of that one. He's already established that Black racism is acceptable "in context".

Michelle Obama will apologize, claim she was angry, or that the remarks were taken out of context.

Barack Obama will say that he isn't his wife, and that she isn't running for office, and has already apologized, so what's the big deal and why do you keep beating on my wife, (you goddamn racists).

So I don't know how badly this will hurt him. Anyone who would still be willing to vote for him after the Wright mess would probably still be willing to do so after a gaffe like this on his wife's part.

Besides they'd probably just again break out the rumor that McCain called his wife a c**t. That'd distract everyone.

418 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:22:44pm
419 Opilio  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:23:30pm

re: #392 David Simon

Genius is too strong a word. He's a bright guy who's black french beige. And to his followers, that's good enough. Nothing else matters.

striving for accuracy.

420 MandyManners  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:23:33pm

memememememememeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

421 Sharmuta  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:24:04pm

re: #400 Syrah

You were ahead of the curve today with that link. I had fun.

422 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:24:08pm

re: #415 realwest

Hey my friend, here's a clue for ya: don't put it on your resume!
Seriously, Kos and the kids are the most vile collection of Anti-Semitic, Anti-Americans in the blogosphere, hands down and going away. I have no trouble or problem with wishing them a meltdown. NONE.

I work with a Kos "kid". He isn't such a kid, and he hasn't turned out to be too anti-Semitic, but I'm watching his posts, now that I figured out his name on the Kos.

423 Syrah  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:24:13pm

re: #410 NY Nana

That'll teach you to go to the beach! ;)


Blue skies.

Gentle breezes.

Sea Shells.

Eagle flights.

Sail boats.

.
.
.
It's important to take a brake from the nuttiness of the world and revel in the small blessings of life.

424 wolfie  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:24:21pm

re: #412 republic

My God, that is sickening. Detestable.

425 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:25:36pm
426 realwest  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:25:44pm

re: #409 looking closely
Yeah, and McCain wouldn't even want the Republican Party in North Carolina to show it as an ad, even in FULL CONTEXT.

427 ContraJihadi  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:26:15pm

Alright, lizards,

Now it's time to say good-bye to all our company...

Tokyobk: we lizards just don't like Obama, it's as plain and as immutable as that. We are not going to pound the troll stamp on you if you point out aspects of his character or approach or political movement that seem charismatic, but please defend and document carefully.

Blue smurfette: when Bacchus flows, a fellow can emit poetry that ordinarily he would restrain, but a solid and sober respect always abide. Happy trails.

No doubt the sorry state of political affairs will have us gathered again soon for more lively discussion.

428 wolfie  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:26:22pm

re: #417 unrealizedviewpoint

Besides they'd probably just again break out the rumor that McCain called his wife a c**t. That'd distract everyone.

You need a job? Ever considered becoming a spin-meister?!
You've got the touch!

429 NY Nana  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:26:51pm

re: #391 formercorpsman

It warms the cackles of my heart.

;)

430 formercorpsman  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:26:53pm

re: #398 NY Nana

From your mouth to.....

It is amazing to think, just 8 years ago, this man was running on the ticket as the VP, and his party has now turned against him.

Obviously, as a gentile, looking in from the outside, I actually understand the history in this country for most Jews voting liberal, or what actually was classical liberalism prior to the left's takeover.

What astounds me now, is to see how many still vote for the party, despite the blatant shift with respect to Israeli policy in their platform, and the willingness to reach out, and legitimize certain nations not only hostile to Israel, under their (Syria, Iran) current leaders, but calling for our destruction as well.

There is a disconnect from primal instinct somewhere.

431 looking closely  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:27:00pm

re: #395 Steffan

Actually, I think he got one. So he's something like 1 for 22 or so. It's still a rotten batting average, but not entirely hopeless.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.


Doesn't a stopped clock get 2 for 24?

In general I'd take 22:1 odds for me in any contest, but I don't think that applies here.

Obama is better than a 22:1 favorite.

If I am reading these odds right, Obama is ahead in the books right now:

[Link: www.sbgglobal.com...]

432 gromster  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:27:06pm

OT question/
I'm trying to view Rush Limbaugh's site, but all I'm getting is a white/blank page. I'm wondering if this is true for everyone, of if it's just my browser/computer?

433 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:27:44pm

re: #409 looking closely

Barack Obama will say that he isn't his wife, and that she isn't running for office, and has already apologized, so what's the big deal and why do you keep beating on my wife, (you goddamn racists).

So I don't know how badly this will hurt him. Anyone who would still be willing to vote for him after the Wright mess would probably still be willing to do so after a gaffe like this on his wife's part.

Here's why it will hurt him- At this time, very few americans are paying attention. They know who's running, but that's about it. They're not like us, who follow this stuff everyday, and know what's said on daily basis.

Once they start paying attention after the conventions, and all of Obama's gaffes and associations those who hate America come to light, he's done. And if this video of his wife exists, forget about throwing her under the bus. He could throw her under a steamroller, and it wouldn't make a difference.

434 Catttt  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:27:52pm

re: #396 Ma Sands

I am sad, I forgot you had a site......thanks for re-reminding me.....I will be browsing in there..... :)

:) That's nice of you - didn't mean to tout myself, though.

Always could use a good inspiration for a vid. The Clinton site had an idea for a bus video - with Senator O throwing one person after another under it. Heh.

435 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:27:55pm

Belief-O-Matic
I'm....

1. Secular Humanism (100%)
2. Unitarian Universalism (97%)
3. Liberal Quakers (85%)
4. Theravada Buddhism (85%)


Huh.

436 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:28:06pm

I'm amused by folks saying things like

"Obama's finished!"

or

"He's not electable!"

You all forget that a very large chunk of the electorate - perhaps as much as 49% - has, in short, lost their f-cking minds. We are talking NOT RATIONAL here. You all are trying to pin rational motivation onto the left-wing donkey and it just isn't going to work.

He doesn't have a southern accent, he speaks in complete sentences, he's a leg-tingling shade of sinless, guilt-redeeming brown, and he's going to take all the big bad Evil Greedy White People's money and use it to give lefty Free Stuff out of the goodness of his precious "compassionate" little heart. That's all he needs to promise.

Half of this country votes for the guy who dampens their metaphorical undies and whispers sweet nothings of caring and handouts. It doesn't matter if he's an arrogant, prissy, narcissist, bigoted fool with the street-level common sense of a tree stump... Those voters don't care what he is or isn't, because they don't live in reality, period.

Best to keep that in mind before we start calling him anything other than "Prophet-Elect".

437 Ma Sands  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:28:16pm

re: #420 MandyManners

You remind me of that trait so often, by posting such like that.......thanks --helps me sit on that in myself.....at least a bit..... :)

438 Syrah  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:28:55pm

re: #421 Sharmuta

Lots of fun.

We should get as much fun as we can out of it while it last.

439 tblot  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:29:04pm

gromster
must be your computer

440 David Simon  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:29:12pm

re: #406 tokyobk

All of the crop of bright "gonna be the first black president," meaning Cory Booker, Harold Ford and several others have had white fans swoon when they speak a full sentence in standard English.

I must have missed it. When did they announce their candidacy?

441 gromster  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:29:14pm

PS to my 432.
Never mind. I think the problem is that I didn't have java script enabled in my browser, and apparently, this is needed to re-direct visitors to [Link: www.rushlimbaugh.com...]

442 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:29:30pm

re: #436 Pawn of the Oppressor

He's very electable. If McCain does win I doubt it will be a landslide. It's going to be close. Prepare yourself.

443 Yankee Division Son  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:29:51pm

re: #432 gromster

Works fine for me.. no issues

444 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:29:54pm

re: #428 wolfie

You need a job? Ever considered becoming a spin-meister?!
You've got the touch!

Would I have to wear a tie?

445 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:30:07pm

Re: the topic.

/I didn't make 'em, I just thought they were funny.

446 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:30:13pm
447 Ma Sands  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:30:32pm

re: #434 Catttt

One like that, then, interspersed with quick shots of him running away from one thing after another, would be great, I think..... :) --like he ran away from the press reps tonight.....

448 tblot  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:30:42pm

I just think it is going to be a gotcha summer

449 hermeneutics  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:30:45pm

re: #423 Syrah

Nice, Syrah. Sometimes nature restores.

450 Opilio  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:30:47pm

re: #416 Kosh's Shadow

Actually, Star Trek used that line.
The Firm used it and other lines for Star Trekkin.

There's Klingons on the starboard bow, starboard bow starboard bow'
Well, scrape them off, Jim!

We come in peace, Shoot to kill! Shoot to kill! Shoot to Kill!...

451 realwest  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:31:07pm

re: #422 Kosh's Shadow
Sorry, I didn't mean that everyone on Kos is a kid; it's just a way of describing the pack of 'em - and from reading some of their fractured english, and truly obscenity laced tirades against Israel, Jews, and yes, even Hillary, and of course against American and the American Military, OVER and OVER again, I'd be astounded if the majority of Kos "members" were not kids - at least mentally.

452 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:31:07pm

re: #435 Killgore Trout

Addendum....

24. Islam (24%)
25. Orthodox Judaism (24%)
26. Roman Catholic (24%)


Heh.

453 NY Nana  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:31:24pm

re: #423 Syrah

Blue skies.

Gentle breezes.

Sea Shells.

Eagle flights.

Sail boats.

.
.
.
It's important to take a brake from the nuttiness of the world and revel in the small blessings of life.

Beautifully said...and you are so right!

454 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:31:26pm

re: #426 realwest

Yeah, and McCain wouldn't even want the Republican Party in North Carolina to show it as an ad, even in FULL CONTEXT.

I thought that at first, rw, but the more I thought about, the more it seems brilliant, Rovian-like.

455 looking closely  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:32:04pm

re: #417 unrealizedviewpoint

Besides they'd probably just again break out the rumor that McCain called his wife a c**t. That'd distract everyone.

Indeed.

Did you note how much coverage the Hagee endorsement got after the Wright scandal? As if there was any parity between the two?

456 Ma Sands  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:32:09pm

re: #446 savage_nation

Yeah, I know the sitting-on isn't very noticeable.....but, believe me, I do try! :)

457 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:32:40pm
458 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:32:54pm
459 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:33:22pm
460 SpartanWoman  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:34:05pm

re: #406 tokyobk

I politely disagree, Hussein is a man of the MEDIA'S creation...we don't get to see much of the man he created for himself

461 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:34:12pm

re: #451 realwest

Sorry, I didn't mean that everyone on Kos is a kid; it's just a way of describing the pack of 'em - and from reading some of their fractured english, and truly obscenity laced tirades against Israel, Jews, and yes, even Hillary, and of course against American and the American Military, OVER and OVER again, I'd be astounded if the majority of Kos "members" were not kids - at least mentally.

I know. This guy was in a band - even said he substituted for the Dead Kennedy's bass player - so I think his brain got affected by drugs. I heard drugs stop emotional development, so in some ways, he might still be a kid.

It is hard, though, not blowing up and using Ren's line
You EEEEDIOT!

462 formercorpsman  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:34:41pm

re: #411 unrealizedviewpoint

Did you ever catch her discussion with some media type about health care?

She actually tried to say, one of the answers (emphasis no doubt) is pursuing alternatives routes for disease. (Fine with me in the private sector, do what you want) but she actually referred to treating arthritis with gin-soaked raisins.

Hey, I have no problem with gin soaked raisins.

Now just consider some of their hang ups with the drug companies. The biggest retort, is getting the government involved with decrease R&D.

Could you imagine, in all your born days, the FDA spending money of a real study to measure the effectiveness of gin-soaked raisins for this?

I think in a double blind study, they just mind find it was effective at combating her depending on the dosage.

463 Mich-again  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:34:56pm

re: #455 looking closely

Did you note how much coverage the Hagee endorsement got after the Wright scandal? As if there was any parity between the two?

Good luck digging up dirt on the crypt keeper.

464 wolfie  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:35:13pm

re: #444 unrealizedviewpoint

Would I have to wear a tie?

Hmmmm. They might let you substitute a keffiyah.
Oh wait. After that donut thing, I guess not.

465 brainwizard73  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:35:17pm

This whole news cycle is proof that Hill would be better for the Dems that Obama. Here is why:

If Hill would have had a "Pastor Problem"** she would have demanded the pulpit the very next week. She would have weighed in there with a talk admitting that there are problems with America but there is a lot of good too (stop laughing you folks, she could actually mean it...well, a small part of it).

She would win the hearts and minds of a lot of Americans by calling racist, sexist, anti-American and plain bizarre comments exactly what they are. In other words, go right into the belly of the beast. That would have been the smart play for Obama. Funny, the omniscient One missed this angle.

Imagine the coverage if Obama had demanded the pulpit next week. Even for ten minutes...

**Hill never would have a "Pastor Problem". Either she would have vetted the pastor or she would have made sure (if he was like ol' Jeremiah Wright) that he was sent on a 17 month missionary trip to rural Mongolia.

466 Catttt  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:35:32pm

re: #389 unrealizedviewpoint

I don't know if Theresa Heinz hurt or helped his Kerry's campaign.

Michelle Obama's fair game absolutely! I fear only that many may focus political attacks on her, and attacks against the spouse of the candidate don't necessarily work.

The bloggers and radio/TV peeps will keep her in the spotllight, not the politicos. They won't go there. However, Mrs. Obama, imho, is her own worst enemy. She is a toned down version of the awful preachers we have heard. She forgets that the whole world is not her church choir - that is, her ex-church choir.

467 slokat  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:36:22pm

OT - I was at the beach, too. Montana de Oro @ Spooner's Cove

Re: the topic, never knew so many words could be typed on one supposition...

468 Ma Sands  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:36:22pm

re: #412 republic

Ohhhhhhhh................I read that earlier today when Killgore posted it up in the links.....but at the time, it didn't say the child was blind..... ): --not that that makes it any less horrible..... ):

469 NY Nana  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:36:23pm

re: #430 formercorpsman

Wow! I could not have said it better. All excellent points, and I only wish I had an answer...sorry I could only plus you once!

There is a disconnect from primal instinct somewhere.

Bingo!

470 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:36:24pm
471 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:37:44pm

re: #455 looking closely

Indeed.

Did you note how much coverage the Hagee endorsement got after the Wright scandal? As if there was any parity between the two?

Even Hannity helps drag that old Hagee tired horse out every now and again, just to sound fair and balanced.
I mean they got nothing, absolutely nothing to hang around McCains neck. It's embarrassing to beat up on Barack day after day, after day, while Skeleton Guy just sits there picking his butt.

472 Mich-again  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:37:44pm

Obama/Paul versus McCain/Lieberman.

Extremists against the Center.

473 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:38:08pm

re: #299 realwest

Hey Y'all - been a weird, long and tiring day. I did notice, however that the Dem's have handed Michigan and Florida to the Republicans.
And who knows how Mrs. Clinton's hard-core "fans" are gonna react to her losing the nomination (IF she does, I'm still not convinced) and NOT "even" being the VP?

I do have to say, though, that, as Charles said, the Dems have apparently decided - well ok, not based on popular vote, but the Dem powers that be have decided on perhaps the MOST radical candidate they could put up for POTUS and you know what - McCain is STILL gonna have a helluva time beating him.
It's spelled Charisma and unless a lot more Charisma wears off before the general election, McCain is gonna have a helluva tough time.

Charisma is a lousy second rate hollywood actress. Screw her.

474 realwest  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:38:08pm

re: #431 looking closely
Ah yeah, but that's just to draw in some bets. Look at the odds on the NY Giants beating the unbeatable New England Patriots in the Superbowl.
Line started at New England by 14 and only went down to NE by 12 at game time. People weren't taking the bets, so the bookies didn't even bother changing the odds.
I'd like to have seen those numbers before Wright set himself on fire and before today with Obama disowning his "church" - sort of.
Then I'd like to see them after the Dem convention and whether or not Hillary's backers really say "so long Dem's, see ya next presidential election".
And don't get me wrong, Hillary will support Obama as the Nominee and will even say that and maybe campagin (with faint praise) for him once or twice, but she'll be looking to waste him before the general election - she could maybe wait until 2012, but not after that.

475 brainwizard73  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:39:34pm

Any chance Michelle looked at Barack and said:

"You know, this isn't helping my kids."

?

476 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:40:42pm

re: #457 savage_nation

You think McCain will run the full ad if Obama wins the nomination?

Nope, McCain will stay above it all and look Presidential, like Bush did in 2004. He'll let the others do the dirty work. Remember what LT. for life John F'ing Kerry (He served in Viet Nam, you know) famously said: "I can't believe I'm losing to this fuckin' idiot."
Bush said nothing bad about Kerry. He ran ads that were positive.
He let the others (Swift Boat Vets, etc.) run the bad ads, and said with a wink and a nod that those ads had no place in politics.
That was classic Karl Rove.

477 HelloDare  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:41:10pm

re: #435 Killgore Trout

1. Secular Humanism (100%)
2. Unitarian Universalism (96%)
3. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (94%)
4. Liberal Quakers (91%)
5. Theravada Buddhism (85%)

Strange how I'm 100% secular humanist and 94% mainline to liberal protestant.

478 brainwizard73  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:41:25pm

re: #472 Mich-again

Obama/Paul versus McCain/Lieberman.

Extremists against the Center.

Let's go to trial by combat...everyone pick a champion...

479 LeePro  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:42:00pm

re: #432 gromster

OT question/
I'm trying to view Rush Limbaugh's site, but all I'm getting is a white/blank page. I'm wondering if this is true for everyone, of if it's just my browser/computer?

Ok here!

480 formercorpsman  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:42:27pm

re: #469 NY Nana

Hey, some nights are good, some, not so good.

As the cackle post came to my mind before I typed it, I was all smiles. I thought I was just one witty SOB.

Reality is a rough landing.

481 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:42:39pm

re: #478 brainwizard73

Let's go to trial by combat...everyone pick a champion...

Chicago Cubs.

482 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:44:14pm

re: #310 tokyobk

Joe, please listen for a second on the assumption which I think is probably true that if you and I met we could have a favorite beverage together and probably get along:

Your reference to me as a 'loser' and that Obama's base is made up of 'get a life' types is exactly the kind of dangerous denial that liberals of the 80's engaged in when the shift in th landscape was so outside of their understanding of reality.

Obama's army of volunteers come from Ivy grads, bankers, lawyers, writers. Most of the really smart young people I know are Obama kool-aid drinkers You can disagree with all of them, or not value them as much as they value themselves, but they by every definition they have lives just as the assessment that I am a 'loser' by any measure (except karaoke at which I truly suck) would be shocking to anyone who knows me. A-hole, maybe.

Lets agree to disagree as the general is just starting. Lets watch it play out. I believe Obama is a formidable candidate and has genius qualities in terms of political intuition.

Your assertion that they are really smart just destroys your credibility.

483 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:44:24pm

re: #477 HelloDare

I took the test a few years ago and My highest score was Quaker followed by Theravada Buddhism. Take the test every year or so. It's interesting how it changes.

484 brainwizard73  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:45:01pm

re: #481 Bob in Breckenridge

Chicago Cubs.

We can't have nominations for "champion" derailed by goat curses. That would be the Democrats.

485 realwest  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:45:07pm

re: #436 Pawn of the Oppressor So how come Obama couldn't even get the lead in popular votes over Hillary in the DEM nominating process? Do you really think he'll do better with Republicans?
No, he's where he is precisely because he has no record for anyone to attack (cause he has no record at all); he has been spectacularly marketed to the Dem Elites whom Hillary thought she had in her pocket and the MSM REALLY don't like Hillary and so jumped for Obama; and he has had extraordinarily GREAT ADVICE from his handlers. But get him away from prepared texts and - as someone said above - he has an enormous glass jaw.
We just gotta figure out a way to make McCain punch it, is all.

486 Ma Sands  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:45:10pm

re: #481 Bob in Breckenridge

:)

487 Mich-again  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:46:21pm

re: #478 brainwizard73

Let's go to trial by combat...everyone pick a champion...

If those 4 were ever in an all-out cage match I'd have to put my money on Lieberman.

488 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:46:27pm

re: #466 Catttt

The bloggers and radio/TV peeps will keep her in the spotllight, not the politicos. They won't go there. However, Mrs. Obama, imho, is her own worst enemy. She is a toned down version of the awful preachers we have heard. She forgets that the whole world is not her church choir - that is, her ex-church choir.

I'm sure she feels, understands the disdain we and much of America have for her, but she just thinks we're just all racists.

489 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:46:45pm

re: #484 brainwizard73

We can't have nominations for "champion" derailed by goat curses. That would be the Democrats.

Chicago Cubs.

490 DesertSage  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:46:53pm

1. New Thought (100%)
2. Taoism (96%)
3. Reform Judaism (88%)
4. Sikhism (88%)
5. Scientology (79%)

I don't know how the Scientology got in there, but the rest seem pretty accurate.

491 realwest  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:47:02pm

re: #442 Killgore Trout Well, I'd really appreciate it if you'd check out my #485 and let me know what you think.

492 Nick Ferguson  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:47:05pm

re: #161 Bob in Breckenridge

You may be familiar with DiMaio v. DNC, its been up and down in the 11th Circuit. It is a private citizen's 14th amendment. While shot down in the lower court again, something whispers "certiori" and wouldn't Scalia and Thomas have some fun with this?

493 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:47:07pm

re: #486 Ma Sands

:)

Love that!

494 brainwizard73  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:47:47pm

re: #485 realwest

Don't you get the feeling that the McCain/Obama debates might be as one-sided as any in recent history? I predict McCain in five.

Obama only wins the MSNBC debate because Matthews and Olbermann get out the well-worn kneepads.

495 Catttt  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:47:56pm

re: #435 Killgore Trout

Belief-O-Matic
I'm....


Huh.

That was fun. My results:

1. Eastern Orthodox (100%)
2. Roman Catholic (100%)
3. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (95%)
4. Seventh Day Adventist (91%)
5. Islam (79%) (HUH!)
6. Orthodox Judaism (79%)

496 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:48:12pm

re: #462 formercorpsman

I heard the gin soaked raisins thing. I'd bet she meant to say gin soaked olives. yummy!

497 Opilio  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:48:26pm

re: #478 brainwizard73

Let's go to trial by combat...everyone pick a champion...

Optimus Prime

498 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:48:40pm

re: #492 Nick Ferguson

You may be familiar with DiMaio v. DNC, its been up and down in the 11th Circuit. It is a private citizen's 14th amendment. While shot down in the lower court again, something whispers "certiori" and wouldn't Scalia and Thomas have some fun with this?

And Roberts, and Alito, and even Kennedy.

499 realwest  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:48:46pm

re: #454 Bob in Breckenridge
How so Bob?

500 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:49:09pm

re: #473 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I don't know much about the first part of your argument, but I fully concur with the second part.

501 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:50:40pm
502 formercorpsman  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:50:54pm

re: #496 unrealizedviewpoint

Dinner and desert.

503 HelloDare  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:50:58pm

re: #483 Killgore Trout

I don't know what Quakers believe. Going to look it up.

504 realwest  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:51:02pm

re: #462 formercorpsman ROTFLMAO! Honestly that was a GREAT POST! LOL!

505 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:51:17pm

re: #499 realwest

How so Bob?

Did you read my #476?

506 JCM  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:52:55pm

re: #435 Killgore Trout

Belief-O-Matic
I'm....


Huh.

1. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (100%)
2. Eastern Orthodox (98%)
3. Orthodox Quaker (98%)
4. Roman Catholic (98%)
5. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (91%)
6. Islam (79%)
Ruh Roh!

507 wolfie  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:53:52pm

re: #486 Ma Sands

A big ding from Mr. Wolf! :D

508 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:53:55pm

re: #499 realwest

BTW, I'd bet a few dollars Rove is stealthly (Is that a word?) advising McCain.

509 big L  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:54:47pm

416-kosh's..."Captain KIrk-there are Klingons around Uranus!"

510 formercorpsman  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:55:09pm

re: #504 realwest

Thanks, I get lucky every once in a while.

No alcohol even.

511 looking closely  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:55:28pm

re: #474 realwest

Ah yeah, but that's just to draw in some bets. Look at the odds on the NY Giants beating the unbeatable New England Patriots in the Superbowl.
Line started at New England by 14 and only went down to NE by 12 at game time. People weren't taking the bets, so the bookies didn't even bother changing the odds.
I'd like to have seen those numbers before Wright set himself on fire and before today with Obama disowning his "church" - sort of.
Then I'd like to see them after the Dem convention and whether or not Hillary's backers really say "so long Dem's, see ya next presidential election".
And don't get me wrong, Hillary will support Obama as the Nominee and will even say that and maybe campagin (with faint praise) for him once or twice, but she'll be looking to waste him before the general election - she could maybe wait until 2012, but not after that.

The way books make money is by having (or trying to have as best as they can) risk parity on both sides and capturing the spread and vig. In general, the bets set the odds, and not the other way around.

Consequently, gambling odds are generally a reflection of actual bets placed, not necessarily reflective of the true odds the cognoscenti (or handicappers) believe.

I have another example. When Mike Tyson fought Lennox Lewis, the odds were only 3:1 against Tyson coming into that fight. (You might remember Tyson at the time making a somewhat controversial quip about eating Lewis' children. . .Lewis not actually having any).

I don't think *anyone* inside the game really though that a past-his-peak Tyson, who hadn't won a serious fight in years, had more than a remote chance of beating the sitting heavyweight champion. The "true" odds were probably better than 10:1 against him. But in that matchup Tyson had the "killer" reputation, while Lewis was a relatively soft-spoken guy who hadn't really distinguished himself outside the ring. So lots of "small fish" money went down on Tyson and his reputation, skewing the odds. Outcome was a blowout for Lewis, who basically toyed with Tyson, ultimately knocking him out in round 8.

In this case, Obama being ahead in the odds simply means that more money is riding on Obama. Now whether its "smart" money, or how those odds are going to change as the season matures remains to be seen.

The bottom line for me, though, is that nothing I see indicates that this is anything other than a real contest at this point. Either candidate *could* still win, and both have to take the game seriously.

512 looking closely  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:56:18pm

re: #487 Mich-again

If those 4 were ever in an all-out cage match I'd have to put my money on Lieberman.

Don't count out McCain in a cage.

/sorry. . .couldn't help it.

513 hermeneutics  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:56:18pm

This was one of the most interesting political days in years. Much to think about. So much, in fact, that I'm exhausted.

Sleep well and ponder deeply, dearest Lizards.

514 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:56:18pm

re: #503 HelloDare

I don't know what Quakers believe. Going to look it up.

Pacifism and making furniture.

/and oats

515 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:56:55pm

re: #508 Bob in Breckenridge

BTW, I'd bet a few dollars Rove is stealthly (Is that a word?) advising McCain.

Rove uses the words: chatting with

516 big L  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:58:33pm

obama doesn;t want to go to IRaq because he'll be forced into a Dukakis-type moment. He'd be picuted with the armament the men and women ofthe forces wear. and he'd have the big helmet on his head.
/the picture would be devastating;he'd look like a dope.
/just saying

517 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:58:39pm

re: #513 hermeneutics

This was one of the most interesting political days in years. Much to think about. So much, in fact, that I'm exhausted.

Sleep well and ponder deeply, dearest Lizards.

Sweet dreams...

518 realwest  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:58:44pm

re: #494 brainwizard73

It would depend on the debate format - if it was classical, where one of 'em asks the other a question and the other replies and then the questioner gets a rebutal; then same thing with switching candidate - so the moderator doesn't ask the questions, just keeps track of the times - then McCain wins going away because he is a person of substance and has life experiences that Obama just doesn't have yet.
But I'll say this, Obama vs. McCain is gonna underscore that age difference and not in McCain's favor, either.

519 Mich-again  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:59:10pm

re: #511 looking closely

In general, the bets set the odds, and not the other way around.

But what represents the bets? The polls? which ones?

520 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:59:23pm
521 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:59:40pm

re: #501 savage_nation

She's very easy on the eyes, as they say.

522 formercorpsman  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:59:41pm

re: #514 Killian Bundy

Don't forget powdering whigs.

523 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:00:05pm

I just love how some people are annointing sainthood on the obamamessiah.

Being a retard doesn't negate your opinion, it just makes it look really, really stupid.

524 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:00:06pm

re: #515 unrealizedviewpoint

Rove uses the words: chatting with

The guy's never lost an election that I know of. He's the 2008 version of Lee Atwater, may Lee rest in peace.

525 DesertSage  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:00:42pm

re: #518 realwest

Hey RW, how are you this fine evening?

I'm a "New Thought" guy.

526 Mich-again  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:01:31pm

re: #512 looking closely

Don't count out McCain in a cage.

/sorry. . .couldn't help it.

Classy.

527 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:01:40pm

re: #516 big L

obama doesn;t want to go to IRaq because he'll be forced into a Dukakis-type moment. He'd be picuted with the armament the men and women ofthe forces wear. and he'd have the big helmet on his head.
/the picture would be devastating;he'd look like a dope.
/just saying

And he'd look like John McCain's son. I swear Karl Rove came up with that idea.

528 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:01:45pm
529 realwest  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:02:12pm

re: #505 Bob in Breckenridge Yes, I did and all that kept flashing before my eyes was the MSM savaging McCain and ignoring Obama's MANY problems and, for some reason, an image of Bob Dole popped into my mind's eye!

530 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:02:15pm

before I retire here's an OT joke.

A little old lady is walking down the street, dragging two plastic garbage bags with her, one in each hand. There's a hole in one of the bags, and every once in a while a $20 bill is dropping out of it onto the pavement.

Noticing this, a policeman stops her...."Ma'am, there are $20 bills falling out of that bag..." "Damn!" says the little old lady....."I'd better go back and see if I can still find some. Thanks for the warning!"

"Well, now, not so fast," says the cop. "How did you get all that money? Did you steal it?"

"Oh, no", says the little old lady. "You see, my back yard backs up to the parking lot of the football stadium. Each time there's a game, a lot of fans come and pee in the bushes, right into my flower beds!"

"So, I go and stand behind the bushes with a big hedge clipper, and each time someone sticks his little thingie through the bushes, I say: $20 or off it comes!"

"Hey, not a bad idea!" laughs the cop. "OK, good luck! By the way, what's in the other bag?"

"Well", says the little old lady, "not all of them pay up"....

531 JCM  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:02:41pm

re: #520 savage_nation

I took that quiz. I'm 100% Orthodox Jew or 100% Islam. Holy shit!

We got us a troll!
ROFLMAO.

The questions are somewhat one superficial. It ask about monotheism, bout doesn't delve any deeper.

The last one asks about reverence for the environment, I believe in stewardship, reverence is reserved for God.

532 brainwizard73  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:02:45pm

re: #518 realwest

True enough on the age issue.

However, I wonder if there isn't the potential that people want someone that has a presidential bearing and look to them and in our history that has been usually an older man. It might be the match up of the man who will be president (because you can close your eyes and see him as president) next to the guy that looks and acts like he is selling something out the back of his El Camino.

A steady hand at the rudder is a valuable thing. I don't think ol' Barack has his learners permit yet.

533 realwest  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:02:56pm

re: #508 Bob in Breckenridge I sure as hell hope so!

534 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:03:01pm
535 0321  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:03:35pm

re: #525 DesertSage

Hey DesertSage how are you doing?

536 Ward Cleaver  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:05:08pm

Stick with it, Hill! Don't quit now!

537 George guy  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:05:44pm

Neville Chamberlain was raised a Quaker.

538 realwest  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:05:55pm

re: #512 looking closely
I wish you had - jokes about McCain in a cage aren't funny from my perspective. I'll bet a lot of Vietnamese would laugh at it, though.

539 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:06:06pm
540 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:06:07pm

re: #528 savage_nation

A different one.

You could also do a Yahoo image search (not gonna link that).

541 DesertSage  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:06:19pm

re: #535 0321

Hey 03, are you home on leave?
GOP-Patriot told me that you left me a message the other night, sorry I missed it.

542 JCM  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:07:02pm

re: #536 Ward Cleaver

Stick with it, Hill! Don't quit now!

We want Denver!
We want Denver!
We want Denver!
We want Denver!
We want Denver!

Just how is HRC going to bow out after BHO open mouth insert foot speech today?

543 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:08:08pm

re: #540 Slumbering Behemoth

Sheesh, never mind. It seems most every sight won't allow remote linking.

544 realwest  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:08:51pm

re: #523 really grumpy big dog Johnson Hey really grumpy - I think it would be best if you could find another word to describe him; there are several LGFer's who have children with learning disabilities and that word genuinely upsets them a great deal.
Just sayin, ya know?!

545 DesertSage  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:08:52pm

20 Most Bizarre Mugshots ever

These people are downright scary.

546 D_Umazarok  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:09:25pm

I took the test, got the results back.

It said "YOU ARE AN A$$HOLE"

Oh well....

547 realwest  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:10:27pm

re: #525 DesertSage Hey, I'm doing ok - just really damn tired and gonna go to sleep soon. How are you doing (and what the hell are you doing taking that test?!)

548 looking closely  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:10:33pm

1. Reform Judaism (100%)
2. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (84%)
3. Unitarian Universalism (82%)
4. Liberal Quakers (82%)
5. Sikhism (77%)

LOL. . .never knew I was a reform Jew.
Its a "shanda" ;-)
What I want to know is how the heck did I end up as a Liberal Quaker/Sikh?

549 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:10:55pm

re: #544 realwest

Hey really grumpy - I think it would be best if you could find another word to describe him; there are several LGFer's who have children with learning disabilities and that word genuinely upsets them a great deal.
Just sayin, ya know?!

I never use the word retard to describe children with learning disabilities. I only use it to describe retards.

550 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:11:02pm
551 wolfie  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:11:13pm

re: #532 brainwizard73

.....the guy that looks and acts like he is selling something out the back of his El Camino.

Priceless! :D

552 0321  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:11:18pm

#541 DesertSage,

Yep, until next Wednesday.

How are you doing?

553 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:11:21pm

re: #435 Killgore Trout

Belief-O-Matic
I'm....


Huh.

1. Orthodox Judaism (100%)
2. Sikhism (97%)
3. Islam (93%)
4. Reform Judaism (83%)
5. Bahá'í Faith (79%)
6. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (70%)
7. Jehovah's Witness (64%)
8. Hinduism (60%)
9. Jainism (59%)
10. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (57%)
11. Eastern Orthodox (57%)
12. Roman Catholic (57%)
13. Orthodox Quaker (49%)
14. Seventh Day Adventist (49%)
15. Liberal Quakers (48%)
16. Mahayana Buddhism (46%)
17. Unitarian Universalism (44%)
18. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (42%)
19. Scientology (42%)
20. Neo-Pagan (42%)
21. New Thought (37%)
22. Theravada Buddhism (34%)
23. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (32%)
24. New Age (31%)
25. Nontheist (10%)
26. Taoism (10%)
27. Secular Humanism (9%)

1 is right. The others? Some of them deserve a "Huh?" I didn't think Islam would come higher than Reform Judaism!

554 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:11:33pm

re: #503 HelloDare

I don't know what Quakers believe. Going to look it up


Not Much.

555 brainwizard73  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:12:12pm

re: #542 JCM

We want Denver!
We want Denver!
We want Denver!
We want Denver!
We want Denver!

Just how is HRC going to bow out after BHO open mouth insert foot speech today?

You don't understand: he is meeting with his own mind without precondition.

It just isn't turning out well.

556 realwest  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:12:49pm

re: #537 George guy
So was "Bomb Cambodia" Richard Nixon.

557 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:13:19pm
558 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:13:31pm

re: #529 realwest

Yes, I did and all that kept flashing before my eyes was the MSM savaging McCain and ignoring Obama's MANY problems and, for some reason, an image of Bob Dole popped into my mind's eye!

rw- The difference in my opinion will be the internet. As far as us "regular people" using it, it was in its infancy in '96. I pointed this out here a few nights ago, about how the MSM could get away with lying and obfuscating back then, but cannot now.

BTW, Fox News was born in 1996. And I love reading the moonbats in my local fishwrapper try to denigrate by calling it "Faux News".

Fox News won as the most watched prime time cable network for the 77th month in row. CNN was 19th, and MSLSD was 26th.

559 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:13:45pm

re: #548 looking closely

What I want to know is how the heck did I end up as a Liberal Quaker/Sikh?


Sikhs, Jews and Muslims are a little similar. It's the observance of ritual that matters more that faith or belief.

560 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:14:15pm

re: #557 savage_nation

1. Islam (100%)


Heh.
/Funniest result of the night!

561 JCM  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:14:18pm

re: #553 Kosh's Shadow

The questions are one dimensional. Christian, Jews, Muslims and Sikhs are all monotheists.

The don't delve any deeper than that.

562 DesertSage  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:14:23pm

re: #552 0321

#541 DesertSage,

Yep, until next Wednesday.

How are you doing?

I'm doing fine. Are you going back to the sandbox?

563 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:14:49pm

re: #550 savage_nation

Not bad? She's downright smokin'! In my opinion, anyway.

And being just 1-2 years older than me makes her perfect, IMAO.

564 looking closely  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:15:13pm

re: #519 Mich-again

But what represents the bets? The polls? which ones?

The bets represent cash dollars plunked down by actual gamblers.

The house, then, will change the odds in real time according to the bets being put down so that it has equal amounts of money (risk) riding on both sides. That way the house itself isn't exposed to the risk of the actual event (or at least has as little exposure as it can).

So if lots of money gets plunked down on Obama, for example, the house will lower his odds accordingly.

And speaking of bets, here is an interesting one:

3:1 that Hilary Drops out in exactly 2 days.

[Link: www.gambling911.com...]

565 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:15:59pm
566 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:16:16pm

re: #550 savage_nation

I found a pic of her. Not bad for 38

Who, savage?

567 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:16:27pm

I've added the Belief-O-Matic to the spinoffs up top since everybody seems to be enjoying it so much.

568 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:17:11pm
569 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:17:29pm
570 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:18:40pm
571 looking closely  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:18:40pm

re: #538 realwest

I wish you had - jokes about McCain in a cage aren't funny from my perspective. I'll bet a lot of Vietnamese would laugh at it, though.


Fair enough, but I didn't bring up the "cage fight" angle.

McCain himself made the joke about him "being all tied up" during Woodstock, and to tell the truth, he'd probably laugh about being considered the favorite.

Remember, the guy publically admitted liking Nine Inch Nails last go-round.

572 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:18:51pm

re: #561 JCM

The questions are one dimensional. Christian, Jews, Muslims and Sikhs are all monotheists.

The don't delve any deeper than that.

So how did Reform Judaism end up lower? I could make a nasty comment about Reform Jews, but I won't.

573 0321  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:19:32pm

#562 DesertSage

Yes got to get back to my duty. It's been a nice break, but I miss what I do.

574 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:19:54pm

re: #570 savage_nation

Go here!

Needs breast implants. Who is she?

575 DesertSage  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:21:05pm

re: #547 realwest

Hey, I'm doing ok - just really damn tired and gonna go to sleep soon. How are you doing (and what the hell are you doing taking that test?!)

I figured I'd take it, even though I already knew what I was. You're right, I don't need some silly test to tell me about my faith.
I hope everything is going well by you.

576 Syrah  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:21:20pm

re: #435 Killgore Trout


That was amusing.


1. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (100%)
2. Seventh Day Adventist (93%)
3. Eastern Orthodox (92%)
4. Roman Catholic (92%)
5. Orthodox Quaker (82%)
6. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (80%)
7. Orthodox Judaism (59%)
8. Islam (56%)
9. Reform Judaism (51%)
10. Hinduism (47%)

Interesting way to weight the questions.

some questions were repeated. (?)

There wasn't much depth to this. I wouldn't treat it too seriously. It is an interesting amusement, but not much more.

I noticed that the Islam section neglected entirely the whole instant salvation with 72 raisins for death while on Jihad.

577 realwest  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:21:55pm

Well it's been an interesting evening - thanks all y'all, but I gotta get some sleep NOW!
Hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you down the road.

Goodnight all.

578 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:22:00pm

re: #568 savage_nation

I got 9 years on her and thats perfect for me.

Or as Mandy would say, memememememememememememe!

You must like silent movies.

579 JCM  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:22:04pm

re: #572 Kosh's Shadow

So how did Reform Judaism end up lower? I could make a nasty comment about Reform Jews, but I won't.

In a broad sense, Islam is more religiously conservative than reform Judaism.

Conservative being, what we would consider traditional Judaeo / Christian beliefs.

580 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:22:31pm
581 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:23:05pm

re: #568 savage_nation

Is that what that means? I thought it was a repetition of the word "meme". Go figure.

/besides, everyone knows it's all about The Behemoth!

582 LeePro  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:23:17pm

re: #507 wolfie

A big ding from Mr. Wolf! :D

Mr. Wolf is here with you?

Hi, Mr. Wolf! : : : : : waving : : : : :

btw: it's pups, not cubs ;)

583 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:23:52pm
584 DesertSage  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:24:15pm

re: #573 0321

#562 DesertSage

Yes got to get back to my duty. It's been a nice break, but I miss what I do.

You do realize that we here at LGF have the utmost respect for you and the rest of our troops.
You guys are rock stars!

ROCK STARS-
Troops - yes!
Obama - no!

585 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:25:01pm
586 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:25:18pm

re: #580 savage_nation

She was on Buffy The Vampire Slayer

Maybe I'm outta the loop, or looped, but wasn't the Sarah Michelle Gellar?

587 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:25:45pm

re: #574 Bob in Breckenridge

Boooo! Hissss!

/you either need to look for more pics, or you are the type that will take nothing less than "Dolly Partons"

588 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:26:01pm

re: #580 savage_nation

She was on Buffy The Vampire Slayer

Oh, ON the show. Never mind.

/Too many beers.

589 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:26:03pm

re: #576 Syrah

It is an interesting amusement, but not much more.


Agreed.

590 looking closely  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:26:23pm

re: #559 Killgore Trout

Sikhs, Jews and Muslims are a little similar. It's the observance of ritual that matters more that faith or belief.

OK, that actually makes sense (though for whatever reason I didn't rate highly on the Muslim-o-meter).

I can't say I'm entirely shocked that I ended up somewhere in the liberal/moderate zone of Judeo-christianity, though a number of the questions I didn't feel all that strongly about, and I could probably "flip" answers to them pretty easily in good conscience, making me some other religion entirely!

591 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:26:51pm

re: #587 Slumbering Behemoth

Sorry.

592 looking closely  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:27:41pm

re: #557 savage_nation

This is my list...

How the hell did a Catholic boy like me end up a Muslim?

/Reading this board too much?

593 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:27:49pm
594 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:28:12pm
595 Catttt  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:28:27pm

re: #532 brainwizard73

True enough on the age issue.

However, I wonder if there isn't the potential that people want someone that has a presidential bearing and look to them and in our history that has been usually an older man. It might be the match up of the man who will be president (because you can close your eyes and see him as president) next to the guy that looks and acts like he is selling something out the back of his El Camino.

A steady hand at the rudder is a valuable thing. I don't think ol' Barack has his learners permit yet.

Frankly, if I look from a purely emotional standpoint at Senator O, I don't see a messiah or a winner. I see a half-smart guy trying to be a playa.

I can't help but speculate whether the whole Obamamessiah thing is a Jedi mind trick.

We have lingered in the chambers of the sea
By sea-girls wreathed with seaweed red and brown
Till human voices wake us, and we drown.

596 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:28:36pm

re: #583 savage_nation

I do

I know that one well. I think it's Groucho and Harpo? Regardless, it had to be a principal inspiration for Bunuel, and a whole host of others. Truly classic.

597 Catttt  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:29:14pm

re: #574 Bob in Breckenridge

Needs breast implants. Who is she?

Some people think more than a mouthful is a waste, ya know. /

598 DesertSage  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:30:05pm

The re-education camps have arrived, they're called four year colleges.

'All whites racist' indoctrination revived!

599 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:30:06pm

re: #591 Bob in Breckenridge

Meh, to each his own. I still dinged you down, though.

No hard feelings?

/P.S., try a Yahoo image search with the filter off.

600 wolfie  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:30:12pm

re: #582 LeePro

LOL !
He has slipped into the land of nod.

PS- These fools (Mr. Wolf, mama winger,& Bob in Breckenridge, etc.) actually think the Cubs aren't going to flub it this year! The Tenacity of Hope!

601 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:31:08pm

re: #597 Catttt

Some people think more than a mouthful is a waste, ya know. /

I had an expression for one young lady I knew when growing up. I won't say the exact number of cubic mouthfuls.

602 formercorpsman  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:31:14pm

re: #597 Catttt

And some like the Old Country Buffet/

603 stymie  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:32:49pm

re: #301 republic

They may run to the right, but when they arrive in Washington Pelosi tells them how it is and how they will vote. They'll never get their pet projects funded and never rise to prominent chairmanships unless they vote with the Queen Bee.

604 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:32:49pm
605 LeePro  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:33:25pm

re: #544 realwest

Hey really grumpy - I think it would be best if you could find another word to describe him; there are several LGFer's who have children with learning disabilities and that word genuinely upsets them a great deal.
Just sayin, ya know?!

Thank you, {realwest}. My kids are fine (although sometimes I wonder about my liberal daughter), but some here are very sensitive about that!

606 looking closely  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:33:37pm

re: #545 DesertSage

20 Most Bizarre Mugshots ever

These people are downright scary.

#7 is Beavis!

607 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:33:54pm

re: #597 Catttt

Some people think more than a mouthful is a waste, ya know. /

She's definitely got more than that...wouldn't call it a waste, though.

/well, I wouldn't let it go to waste, anyhow...

608 DesertSage  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:33:57pm

re: #604 savage_nation

I like pie.

Key lime pie! My favorite.

609 solomonpanting  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:33:57pm

Lebanese Army obliges would-be suicide bomber.

Premature detonation.

The spokesman said the 28-year-old Palestinian, identified as Mahmud Yassin al-Ahmad, had arrived in the area in a car and begun approaching the checkpoint on foot when he dropped a hand grenade.
At that point, he turned and ran toward his car, apparently attempting to detonate the explosives belt, and was shot down.

610 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:35:33pm

re: #604 savage_nation

I have an oral fixation myself.

/wait, what?

611 Catttt  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:36:16pm

Boobs - some like 'em large, some do not.

Male naughty bit size - the opinion tends to lean more in the "larger" direction. :D

Having helped to turn this into a boob thread, I shall now hit the hay.

Goodnight y'all.

612 formercorpsman  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:36:34pm

re: #604 savage_nation

One wemon mewingue pie coming up!

613 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:36:36pm
614 JCM  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:36:56pm

re: #610 Slumbering Behemoth

re: #604 savage_nation

I have an oral fixation myself.

/wait, what?

Pull out Pull out, this threads about to crater!

615 0321  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:37:10pm

#584 Desertsage

Of course I understand that, the only thing I have a problem with is its such a wide gap between the times I can post here that when I come back everyone seems new. Except you and a few other.

616 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:38:04pm

re: #597 Catttt

Some people think more than a mouthful is a waste, ya know. /

Depends upon the size of you mouth. : )

617 formercorpsman  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:38:17pm

re: #612 formercorpsman

For anyone who remembers Bugs Bunny as the waiter.

618 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:38:24pm

re: #605 LeePro

Thank you, {realwest}. My kids are fine (although sometimes I wonder about my liberal daughter), but some here are very sensitive about that!

My autistic niece is sensitive about it too, but she knows a retard when she sees one.

619 0321  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:39:34pm

Anyways DesertSage I have a box of Iranian nuts for you. Take care and I will see you in the new year.

620 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:40:05pm

re: #599 Slumbering Behemoth

Meh, to each his own. I still dinged you down, though.

No hard feelings?

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

621 DesertSage  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:40:14pm

re: #615 0321

Is it possible to post while you're deployed? Even if you can check in every once in a while.
We would love to get first hand knowledge of how things are going over there....God knows we don't get it from the media.

622 brainwizard73  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:40:40pm

re: #595 Catttt

The albatross begins with it's vengeance
A terrible curse a thirst has begun
His shipmates blame bad luck on the mariner
About his neck, the dead bird is hung.

Barack Obama...our albatross?

623 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:41:02pm

re: #614 JCM

Point taken. I'll tighten up.

624 DesertSage  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:41:04pm

re: #619 0321

Anyways DesertSage I have a box of Iranian nuts for you. Take care and I will see you in the new year.

Stay safe my friend.

625 BlueCanuck  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:41:55pm

Morning all, I see I finally arrived at the best part of the dead thread.

/mmmmm booobies.
//uh wait, we have stopped talking about BHO right?

626 JCM  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:41:57pm

re: #623 Slumbering Behemoth

Point taken. I'll tighten up.

LOL!
Pulling your chain a bit.

627 brainwizard73  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:42:21pm

re: #607 Slumbering Behemoth

Wesley: There is a shortage of perfect breasts in this world, twould be a shame to ruin yours.

628 JCM  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:42:32pm

re: #625 BlueCanuck

Morning all, I see I finally arrived at the best part of the dead thread.

/mmmmm booobies.
//uh wait, we have stopped talking about BHO right?

Boob, BHO is there a difference?

629 LeePro  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:43:01pm

re: #549 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I never use the word retard to describe children with learning disabilities. I only use it to describe retards.

What we mean here, big johnson, is that we don't like insulting the truly mentally retarded, by throwing that expression around haphazardly.

Listen up or shut up.

630 formercorpsman  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:43:28pm

re: #628 JCM

double entendre

631 2senseplain  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:43:39pm

re: #518 realwest

Don't know why you think McCain's age isn't in his favor. Most reasonable people want an adult running the show. He needed time to get all that wonderful life experience that Obama lacks(and probably wouldn't ever get if he lived another 100 years). Granted, I would be especially interested in his pick for VP. . .

632 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:43:52pm

re: #602 formercorpsman

And some like the Old Country Buffet/

Last time I was in an Old Country Buffet was Mother's Day about 15 years ago in Lombard, Illnois. I got some roast beef. The "Chef" said "Aus Jus?". I said nope, Catholic. True story! : )

633 pat  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:44:01pm

re: #595 Catttt

I once posted the whole thing here. I love it. And I will not bother you

`Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

634 brainwizard73  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:44:38pm

re: #625 BlueCanuck

Aw, come on!

Can't you see the metaphorical magic that can be created with the melding of two great topics?

Chocolate/Peanut Butter
Jim Beam/Coke
Barack Obama/cleavage issues

635 BlueCanuck  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:45:41pm

re: #627 brainwizard73

Wesley: There is a shortage of perfect breasts in this world, twould be a shame to ruin yours.

636 brainwizard73  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:46:27pm

re: #631 2senseplain


Give that man a cigar!

(Just make sure he smokes it 67 feet from the entrance of any building, church, school, home, business, person or pet)

637 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:46:35pm
638 BlueCanuck  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:47:24pm

re: #634 brainwizard73

Aw, come on!

Can't you see the metaphorical magic that can be created with the melding of two great topics?

Chocolate/Peanut Butter
Jim Beam/Coke
Barack Obama/cleavage issues

You sir have now just mentally scarred me. :P

639 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:47:39pm

No End Of Bile From Obama's Bully Pulpits

Everybody knows the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and his bigoted anti-American rants. We'll soon get to know the Rev. Michael Pfleger. With Barack Obama, you're not only waiting for the other shoe to drop. You're following a centipede.

/IBD, all set to once again, scorch Obama's ass on Monday

640 formercorpsman  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:48:04pm

re: #632 Bob in Breckenridge

There was a time, my brothers and I could lay waist to a place like that.

Actually my mom was told by the owner of a seafood restaurant, if we only wanted to come about once a year, it was fine with him.

641 NY Nana  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:48:28pm

re: #353 looking closely

I think she would be a bad choice for a number of reasons, and I don't really think she would get that nomination.

Unlike most nominees, she 's not a "dark horse"; and she has a high public unfavorable rating. Her nomination would (rightly, IMO) be viewed as a partisan payoff rather than a merit-based appointment, and I think even a lot of Democrats would be skeptical. I don't think Obama would want to waste one of his shots on her when there would be less controversial and better candidates out there.

Assuming she got that nod, ultimately it would come down to numbers. Would there be enough Senate Democrat defectors to prevent her from being seated? I think there probably would.

I hope that you are right. Sad when there are 2 of the very worst candidates on the same ticket when an election post-9/11 is so critical...and I am not totally thrilled with McCain, but will vote for him in a nano-second. That Shrillary has so many negatives? I cannot for the life of me comprehend how she was allowed to run, and she was a known factor, while Hussein was, I think, an unknown outside of IL. And Shrill is from IL, the carpetbagger.

And I thought that my native MA had the pits re politicians.

There probably will be a lot of stay-at-home Demonrats who are still disgruntled in Nov., and also those who may have a clue, and vote, also, for McCain.

/And it is only the first of June. Oy!

642 Cognito  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:48:59pm
After today’s primary election in Puerto Rico and Tuesday’s final contests in Montana and South Dakota, the remaining super-delegates will come under huge pressure from fellow party grandees to declare their hands.

Well don't I feel like an idiot. I didn't even realize Puerto Rico's vote counted... Does it count in November as well? Surely not?

643 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:49:53pm

re: #637 savage_nation

Boobies? I got some boobies for ya, right here!

savage- Before I comment, do you know her?

644 brainwizard73  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:50:16pm

re: #635 BlueCanuck

Damn it, I have to stop going from memory on these quotes...

Just watch out when President Obama makes a deal with you and says "I swear it will be done."

645 formercorpsman  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:50:23pm

re: #643 Bob in Breckenridge

You read my mind.

646 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:51:54pm

re: #640 formercorpsman

There was a time, my brothers and I could lay waist to a place like that.

Actually my mom was told by the owner of a seafood restaurant, if we only wanted to come about once a year, it was fine with him.

Did you ever hear Louie Anderson talking about going to Chinese Buffets? I'm not a big fan of his, but that's some funny shit.

647 brainwizard73  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:52:43pm

re: #638 BlueCanuck

I know, most people think Captian Morgan is the ideal Coke mixer, but I am not a rum guy...so...

oh, you meant Barack and boobs...

Well, Barack has his ears...does that mean he can relate?

648 yochanan  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:52:45pm

re: #228 Roger

McCain will drive all the hated/despised conservatives to stay home in November. McCain isn't even started yet. The staying home trend is far from over.

I AM SO SICK OF THE PERFECT CONSERVATIVE CIRCULAR FIRING SQUAD STFU WE GET IT ARE YOU GUYS MOBY'S?

649 LeePro  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:52:50pm

My test results:
1. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (100%)
2. Seventh Day Adventist (83%)
3. Eastern Orthodox (80%)
4. Roman Catholic (80%)

I'm Catholic.

650 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:52:54pm

re: #645 formercorpsman

You read my mind.

You can never be too safe!

651 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:53:12pm
652 talon_262  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:53:56pm

re: #646 Bob in Breckenridge

Did you ever hear Louie Anderson talking about going to Chinese Buffets? I'm not a big fan of his, but that's some funny shit.

That's actually John Pinette, not Louie Anderson....still funny though.

653 formercorpsman  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:54:03pm

re: #646 Bob in Breckenridge

It was good.

I played football, and was the heavyweight for the wrestling team.

Next brother played football.

Next brother threw shot put.

We could shovel it down man.

654 brainwizard73  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:54:11pm

re: #638 BlueCanuck

You sir have now just mentally scarred me. :P

Hey, the first time I heard about Barack it was because of the well-endowed "Obama girl".

Don't tell me there isn't something going on here.

655 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:54:44pm

re: #648 yochanan

I AM SO SICK OF THE PERFECT CONSERVATIVE CIRCULAR FIRING SQUAD STFU WE GET IT ARE YOU GUYS MOBY'S?

Same here, yochanan, I'd never heard of him, then saw he/she posted over 6K comments.

656 RTLM[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:54:48pm
657 solomonpanting  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:55:36pm

re: #646 Bob in Breckenridge

Did you ever hear Louie Anderson talking about going to Chinese Buffets? I'm not a big fan of his, but that's some funny shit.

Did you mean John Pinette?

658 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:55:50pm

re: #652 talon_262

That's actually John Pinette, not Louie Anderson....still funny though.

I heard Louie Anderson do it. I'm sure about that.

659 wolfie  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:56:24pm

re: #642 Cognito

Well don't I feel like an idiot. I didn't even realize Puerto Rico's vote counted... Does it count in November as well? Surely not?

Doesn't count in November.
Both parties have either primaries or caucuses in the territories, or at least invite a delegate or two to their conventions to observe.

660 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:56:45pm

re: #651 savage_nation

No, afraid not.

Okay, she's ugly. Just my opinion. After many beers.

661 formercorpsman  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:57:00pm

re: #648 yochanan

Actually, yochanan, I could be wrong, but I think the inference of the post for the discussion earlier was that McCain was going to keep many dems, and independents home if Obama gets the nomination.

Not so much of a candidate to cast a vote against.

However, my interpretation could be totally off the mark from earlier.

662 brainwizard73  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:57:56pm

re: #656 RTLM

Assuming that were even true, which I doubt, your point would be?

663 talon_262  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:58:05pm

re: #658 Bob in Breckenridge

I heard Louie Anderson do it. I'm sure about that.

The Chinese Buffet/You Go Now bit is Pinette's signature...he's lost quite a bit of weight in recent years, but that's his schtick.

664 formercorpsman  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:58:09pm

re: #652 talon_262

Did he do the Russian bread line too?

665 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:58:14pm
666 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:59:02pm

re: #652 talon_262

re: #657 solomonpanting

Yeah, shit, the "You go now" is familiar. Sorry. I stand corrected. Unlike the Obamessiah, I can be wrong.

667 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:59:06pm

re: #629 LeePro

What we mean here, big johnson, is that we don't like insulting the truly mentally retarded, by throwing that expression around haphazardly.

Listen up or shut up.

I've already described who deserves that label. You have no libel from me. Just go home.

668 brainwizard73  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:59:10pm

re: #659 wolfie

Doesn't count in November.
Both parties have either primaries or caucuses in the territories, or at least invite a delegate or two to their conventions to observe.

Yes. In case any of these places ever become necessary to fill up the 57 state mandate, it is important to have a few in the queue.

669 wolfie  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:59:40pm

Well, I'm fading, folks.
For some strange reason, I feel like I've been on a looooooooong bus ride!
Goodnight!

670 solomonpanting  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:59:48pm

re: #664 formercorpsman

Did he do the Russian bread line too?

Lines

671 LeePro  Sat, May 31, 2008 10:59:56pm

re: #659 wolfie

Wolfie, did you see my comment to you up-thread? (582)?

Is Mr. Wolf still here?

672 NY Nana  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:00:00pm

re: #572 Kosh's Shadow

So how did Reform Judaism end up lower? I could make a nasty comment about Reform Jews, but I won't.

You, too? I actually grew up in Ohabei Shalom, but the Rabbi was far closer to modern Orthodox when I was a kid...and we did not use the Union Prayer Book. But that was in the 1940's and 1950's.

We are not reform now, and I have not been for over 4 1/2 decades. I grew up, I guess. And I am not totally thrilled with the conservative movement any more.

We have, BTW, observed kashrut since 1970, at home and away.

673 formercorpsman  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:00:50pm

re: #662 brainwizard73

"Homina, Homina, Homina"

674 brainwizard73  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:02:02pm

re: #669 wolfie

Well, I'm fading, folks.
For some strange reason, I feel like I've been on a looooooooong bus ride!
Goodnight!

Be Careful! When exiting the bus, please step to the curb quickly.

675 Sceptic Tank  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:02:34pm

This gasbag old radical can't get her pandering working in the new age. The afro-muslim Obama has the radical chic that paints Bill's wife as dowdy. Question: can she be outed out of NY gracefully or otherwise.

676 lostlakehiker  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:03:07pm

Sane? Yes, she's sane. That's not much of a standard. But she made a total botch of her campaign, starting from a near sure thing. Now she's reduced to ruminating about how well Bobby Kennedy got shot in June, now didn't he, so it's not {really} over, is it?

She can't run a campaign. She can't remember having not actually been shot at, or she can't figure out that lies told about stuff that's on tape won't fly (take your pick). Every time Obama shoots himself in the foot, she shoots her own feet twice, just to show him up.

No wonder the Democrats want a change of scenery.

677 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:03:41pm

re: #626 JCM

Still, probably best that I stop before I get carried away.

;P

678 pat  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:04:13pm

re: #642 Cognito

No

679 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:04:17pm

re: #665 savage_nation

Patton Oswalt does a great schtick on food.

This is damn funny....

Shit, I'm on dial-up savage. Watching youtube is impossible. The A-holes who built mi casa told me, PROMISED ME, I'd have cable when I moved in. 4 months later I'm the third house out of 8 in the subdivision, and the only one who lives here full time. But I saved it to watch later.

680 LeePro  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:04:24pm

re: #667 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I've already described who deserves that label. You have no libel from me. Just go home.

I AM home. And, like I/we said, WE DON'T LIKE YOU CALLING PEOPLE RETARDS HERE!

Libel? Where'd that come from?

681 RTLM  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:04:57pm

re: #662 brainwizard73

He would again be pretending to something that he's not.

He has a distinctly effeminate stature. Its fairly easy to to look at a man and draw a fairly accurate conclusion as to the heavy lifting he has done is his life. In Obama's case not much. His ear to ear grin is also annoying.

The man has never lifted a finger in his existence.

682 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:05:22pm

re: #671 LeePro

Wolfie, did you see my comment to you up-thread? (582)?

Is Mr. Wolf still here?

/Nice pick-up line!

683 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:05:55pm

re: #671 LeePro

Wolfie, did you see my comment to you up-thread? (582)?

Is Mr. Wolf still here?

Yeah, I know...J/K.

684 Roger  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:06:15pm

re: #648 yochanan

I AM SO SICK OF THE PERFECT CONSERVATIVE CIRCULAR FIRING SQUAD STFU WE GET IT ARE YOU GUYS MOBY'S?

Remember the Rudyites?

They were so attractive they just made you want to vote for Rudy

/

//shoot the messenger rather than change course eh?

685 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:06:22pm
686 talon_262  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:07:08pm

re: #656 RTLM

Obama is a gay.

(can tell by the vegan leanness)

This comment has been reported to Stinky, because LGF/Charles doesn't need the kind of heat that these kinds of comments can bring. If it was sarcasm, accept my apologies and remember your sarcasm tags next times; if it was not sarcasm, then watch your mouth and restrict the political comments to something you can back up.

687 yochanan  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:07:44pm

re: #576 Syrah

MINE said i was seik100%
fellowed by ortho jew and muslim96%

688 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:07:58pm

re: #680 LeePro

I AM home. And, like I/we said, WE DON'T LIKE YOU CALLING PEOPLE RETARDS HERE!

Libel? Where'd that come from?

You are the one who used the term "truly mentally retarded".

You can go fuck yourself.

689 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:08:59pm

re: #648 yochanan


I AM SO SICK OF THE PERFECT CONSERVATIVE CIRCULAR FIRING SQUAD STFU WE GET IT ARE YOU GUYS MOBY'S?


Uh, I'm a liberal and I'm unimpressed with him too.

690 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:09:19pm

re: #685 savage_nation

BTW, what's this flame war you have with Mandy about?

691 LeePro  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:09:46pm

re: #682 Bob in Breckenridge

/Nice pick-up line!

Haha

Except that I'm female, happily married to Mr. JimPro!

692 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:10:14pm

re: #684 Roger

I miss Rudy somethin' fierce. Sadly, he's just not not Republican material.

693 formercorpsman  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:10:23pm

Getting ready.

694 Fenway_Nation  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:11:41pm

re: #669 wolfie

Well, I'm fading, folks.
For some strange reason, I feel like I've been on a looooooooong bus ride!
Goodnight!

Must've been because Obama's grandma and the whole TUCC got caught up in one of the bus' axles....

695 Cognito  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:12:14pm

My goodness.

696 yochanan  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:12:29pm

re: #684 Roger

Remember the Rudyites?

They were so attractive they just made you want to vote for Rudy

/

//shoot the messenger rather than change course eh?

can i have some cheese with the whine?

697 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:13:04pm
698 RTLM[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:13:15pm
699 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:14:38pm

re: #688 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Not to butt in, but there are people here who have mentally retarded children, relatives, etc. Try to show some compassion.

700 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:15:43pm

re: #691 LeePro

Haha

Except that I'm female, happily married to Mr. JimPro!

I know, thus my #683, just kidding!

701 talon_262[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:17:10pm
702 least  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:17:41pm

Wasn't there a sort of tradition for military officers who were certain to be found guilty at a court martial - to be left alone in a room, at a desk which had a loaded pistol in a drawer?

It was assumed that the officer in question would "do the right thing" and leave this life in a dignified manner rather than leaving the service in disgrace.

Sounds very much like something obamessiah's posse would come up with.
*spit*

703 formercorpsman  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:18:06pm

re: #701 talon_262

And of course you quoted it.

704 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:18:24pm

re: #660 Bob in Breckenridge

Okay, your previous comment makes more sense now. You just have impossibly high standards.

With that in mind, you and I should hit the bars. You can shoot 'em down, then I'll pick 'em up.

/how this helps you, I'm not so sure...

705 brainwizard73  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:19:15pm

re: #681 RTLM

He would again be pretending to something that he's not.

He has a distinctly effeminate stature. Its fairly easy to to look at a man and draw a fairly accurate conclusion as to the heavy lifting he has done is his life. In Obama's case not much. His ear to ear grin is also annoying.

The man has never lifted a finger in his existence.

Clearly you haven't been enlightened yet by Him. Let me deconstruct this for you...

Pretending to be something he's not? Hey, it's not like he is pulling a con job on America by saying he is a mainstream American politician.

"Effeminate stature"? I defy you to find any man that when standing next to Hillary Rodham Clinton doesn't look effeminate.

Never done "heavy lifting"? Have YOU, mister fancy pants, ever lifted a full case of 1994 Fat Bastard Pinot Noir? Unless you have walked a mile with Michelle Obama nagging the hell out of you; sir, don't tell me you know Barack Obama.

"His ear to ear grin is also annoying"? Well, duh, if you had snowed most of the media, most Americans and most of our allies into thinking you were something more than (to use a phrase I coined a few posts earlier) a man trying to sell something out of the back of an El Camino, wouldn't you have the biggest fuckin' grin on your face, too?

That's crap, you would. Finally,

"The man has never lifted a finger in his existence"? Are you nuts? Do you know what a "community organizer" has to do? He probably wore out 3 or 4 pairs of alligator wingtips floating from one meeting to another. Finger? How about the blisters on his feet? And all the time carrying that woman he married and her MASSIVE...enormous...hefty...

student debt...

(what? Think I was going somewhere else?)

No, sir, I would say that St. Obama has lifted a finger for us all to see, and, frankly, I already knew I was number one.

Now repent you sinner in the house of Obama!

706 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:21:02pm

re: #697 savage_nation

I mention my daughter a couple times and she goes freaking apeshit about it, but she goes on and on and on about HER kid and oh, life is so wonderful and I'm such a great Christian mommy and all that psycho bullshit that spews out of her vile piehole.

Every time I come in her she makes nasty little comments behind my back about this and that. Well, usually I try to ignore it but once in a while I want to throw pots and pans at her.

You could just ignore her. I've never read any of it (her comments about your daughter), so I'll take what you say as the truth, but there's always the option of taking the high road.

707 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:21:26pm

re: #701 talon_262

Dude.

/don't quote deleted comments

708 formercorpsman  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:22:14pm

re: #706 Bob in Breckenridge

Picturing Savage and Mandy together, I get the mental image of Sid and Nancy.

709 talon_262  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:22:52pm

re: #703 formercorpsman

And of course you quoted it.

DOH!...thought about that on my 2nd reply to he/she/it. Not a good idea if I reported it...

710 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:22:54pm

re: #704 Slumbering Behemoth

Okay, your previous comment makes more sense now. You just have impossibly high standards.

With that in mind, you and I should hit the bars. You can shoot 'em down, then I'll pick 'em up.

/how this helps you, I'm not so sure...

I didn't ask for any help! : )

711 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:23:39pm

re: #699 Bob in Breckenridge

Not to butt in, but there are people here who have mentally retarded children, relatives, etc. Try to show some compassion.

Bob, I have close relatives who suffer from mental disabilities. I have a sibling who is a clinical psychologist nearing retirement. I don't need some people telling me what I can and cannot say. Like I said, my niece knows a retard when she sees one, and she is certainly not talking about anthing other than stupid people who should not say what they do or act in the way they do.

She may be autistic, but she's starting to approach 40 and has never been arrested, never had a traffic ticket, and has never been a burden on people who could not accept that role. I don't like people describing my use of retard as an insult to people with mental disabilities. I was never talking about that in the first place.

Don't mess with my niece. She may only have a high school education, but she's about 5'11 and very strong, and a second degree black belt. She's also the best driver I've ever had the fortune to ride along with as a passenger in her car.

She is not a person with mental retardation. When someone uses that expression, it truly makes me cringe. Do not assume to know me.

712 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:23:42pm
713 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:23:46pm

re: #709 talon_262

DOH!...thought about that on my 2nd reply to he/she/it. Not a good idea if I reported it...

/report yourself

714 talon_262  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:24:42pm

Looks like Stinky's already done cleanup duty...

715 LeePro  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:25:23pm

re: #688 really grumpy big dog Johnson

You are the one who used the term "truly mentally retarded".

You can go fuck yourself.

In your #523 you said:

I just love how some people are annointing sainthood on the obamamessiah.

Being a retard doesn't negate your opinion, it just makes it look really, really stupid.

I am not the only one who asked that you refrain. See...
re: #544 realwest

Hey really grumpy - I think it would be best if you could find another word to describe him; there are several LGFer's who have children with learning disabilities and that word genuinely upsets them a great deal.
Just sayin, ya know?!

And no, sonny, I will not go fuck myself, for, you see, I do not have the equipment to do so.

You, however, DO, and it appears that you have already done so!

You have been asked repeatedly (and in the beginning, politely) not to use the term "retarded" in reference to someone who is merely stupid. That is an insult to those unfortunates who are truly retarded.

If you really can't grasp that concept, then we should all pity you for your shortcomings, big johnson.

716 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:25:25pm

re: #710 Bob in Breckenridge

Yeah, but I could use a little.

/ya selfish jerk :mumblegrumble:
//

717 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:25:40pm

re: #714 talon_262

Looks like Stinky's already done cleanup duty...

/#686

718 RTLM  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:25:40pm

re: #705 brainwizard73

Now repent you sinner in the house of Obama!

Obama has no house. He is now hated by his former base.

Again, the placement of a pile of excrement in the immediate radius of Obama is a sure bet to get blindly stepped in and tromped all over the floor.

(Bad Monday)

719 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:26:43pm

re: #708 formercorpsman

Picturing Savage and Mandy together, I get the mental image of Sid and Nancy.

I won't go there. I just think a lot of stuff that happens here seems petty to me. I don't expect all of us to agree on every issue, but we can disagree and be civil about it.

720 formercorpsman  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:26:46pm

re: #712 savage_nation

I think you guys should try and go on a date.

Who me? Being an ass?

Never.

721 Opilio  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:26:55pm

re: #637 savage_nation

Boobies? I got some boobies for ya, right here!

Let's not forget this article on the subject from the BBC.

722 brainwizard73  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:28:37pm

re: #718 RTLM

OK. Good luck with that.

723 formercorpsman  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:29:11pm

re: #719 Bob in Breckenridge

Bob, I just like to stir the pot a little.

Pure sarcastic sense of humor, without the tag.

Plus, who the hell uses sissy as a real insult anymore? ;)

724 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:29:15pm

Well, this thread's taken a turn for the uplifting.

/back to reading IBD

725 BlueCanuck  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:29:19pm

re: #721 Opilio

I was expecting something to do with mammaries. But that was pretty cool too. :)

726 talon_262  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:30:44pm

Charles/Stinky, please scrub my #686 where I quoted RTLM's Obama comment...

727 formercorpsman  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:31:21pm

Take it easy folks, I'm out.

728 NY Nana  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:32:48pm

re: #715 LeePro

G-d bless you, Lee.

729 brainwizard73  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:32:52pm

"I suspect we'll find another church home for our family," Obama said.

Suspect? What, isn't he sure?

On another note, I guess since Obama hadn't been in the pews for most of those 20 years (hence his shock at the Wright revalations) it will be safe to say that he won't be joining any faith community anytime soon.

Bummer for his kids. I bet they were working all year long for that end of Sunday School program...

730 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:33:17pm
731 Opilio  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:33:36pm

re: #725 BlueCanuck

I was expecting something to do with mammaries. But that was pretty cool too. :)

Yeah, it's pretty much downhill after the headline.

732 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:33:43pm
733 RTLM  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:35:54pm

re: #722 brainwizard73

Wait til Monday. Pure supposition at this point. But in the Progressive reactionary dipshit America hater circles the seething is just now in the conception stage.

"so long as I was running for president.."

734 LeePro  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:36:32pm

re: #728 NY Nana

G-d bless you, Lee.

As He already has, {Nana}. A thousand times over!

May He shower you with blessings, too!

735 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:37:24pm

re: #715 LeePro

And no, sonny, I will not go fuck myself, for, you see, I do not have the equipment to do so.

You, however, DO, and it appears that you have already done so!

You have been asked repeatedly (and in the beginning, politely) not to use the term "retarded" in reference to someone who is merely stupid. That is an insult to those unfortunates who are truly retarded.

If you really can't grasp that concept, then we should all pity you for your shortcomings, big johnson.

It may shock you that some people that you would call truly mentally retarded call stupid people retards. I can assure you, it has nothing to do with disability. It does reflect an opinion of those who are so mind-numbingly stupd that it's obvious even to those you call "truly mentally retarded". They only get irritated when that term is used and applied to them. Fortunately, they have thick skins. But they are not unobservant.

736 Opilio  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:37:32pm

re: #731 Opilio

Yeah, it's pretty much downhill after the headline.

Although there are some pseudo-scientific bits of wisdom, such as

Just across the North Sea in Holland, Professor Visser has also found that great tits are faring very differently from their British cousins;
737 RTLM  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:44:16pm

thump thump

738 BlueCanuck  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:46:58pm

thump-a-thump

739 brainwizard73  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:47:16pm

re: #733 RTLM

Alright, I sort of get the reasoning now.

You are saying, in effect "there is a limit to the number of people that can be tossed under the bus".

740 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:47:18pm
741 RTLM  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:48:00pm

re: #738 BlueCanuck

How's your weather, BlueCanuck?

742 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:49:06pm
743 RTLM  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:51:47pm

re: #739 brainwizard73

Do I have to?

744 NY Nana  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:57:17pm

re: #734 LeePro

And the same to you, Lee!

We seem to think alike on the subject of mentally challenged children and adults...I also go spare when anyone starts in..I just posted this to you a few days ago. I wish that those cruel, or possibly unaware enough to use it so easily would think before they post, damn it.

Got to go to sleep! I didn't realize how late it is, nearly 3 AM here!

Sweet dreams, Lee, and g'nite, all!

745 brainwizard73  Sat, May 31, 2008 11:59:28pm

re: #743 RTLM

Do I have to?

Apparently for dumb hicks like me in flyover country, your enlightened words were just too overwhelming.

Then again the references to sexual orientation and piles of crap conspired to add layers of muck that had to be scraped away to even try to make sense of what you were writing.

I got it.

Nice communicating with you Senator Obama. Say hello to the shrew.

746 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 12:00:32am

re: #744 NY Nana

And the same to you, Lee!

We seem to think alike on the subject of mentally challenged children and adults...I also go spare when anyone starts in..I just posted this to you a few days ago. I wish that those cruel, or possibly unaware enough to use it so easily would think before they post, damn it.

Got to go to sleep! I didn't realize how late it is, nearly 3 AM here!

Sweet dreams, Lee, and g'nite, all!

Please don't play platitudes Nana. That doesn't solve anything. Part of the barrier that challenged children face is the iron gate of the opinion of those that surround them. I would hate to think that you are in that category.

747 LeePro  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 12:02:12am

re: #735 really grumpy big dog Johnson

It may shock you that some people that you would call truly mentally retarded call stupid people retards. I can assure you, it has nothing to do with disability. It does reflect an opinion of those who are so mind-numbingly stupd that it's obvious even to those you call "truly mentally retarded". They only get irritated when that term is used and applied to them. Fortunately, they have thick skins. But they are not unobservant.


Comparing autism to mental retardation is an insult to your niece. The two afflictions are not anywhere near the same.

You, on the other hand, are showing the severe limitations of your own mental abilities by this comparison and by continuing to cling to insulting those who suffer.

Here you will see how many times you have been asked to refrain:

re: #544 realwest

re: #629 LeePro

re: #680 LeePro

re: #699 Bob in Breckenridge

re: #715 LeePro

re: #728 NY Nana

Are you capable of learning something here?
We don't like folks calling others "retard" here!

Speak up, Lizards...

748 RTLM  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 12:04:02am

re: #745 brainwizard73

Apparently for dumb hicks like me in flyover country, your enlightened words were just too overwhelming.

Then again the references to sexual orientation and piles of crap conspired to add layers of muck that had to be scraped away to even try to make sense of what you were writing.

I got it.

Nice communicating with you Senator Obama. Say hello to the shrew.

You're not a drinker, are you -

;)

749 brainwizard73  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 12:05:43am

re: #747 LeePro

Aside from any questions of taste (and there are many), such language is really the indicator of a lazy mind. Can we kick it up a notch?

750 tokyobk  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 12:08:14am

re: #749 brainwizard73

Aside from any questions of taste (and there are many), such language is really the indicator of a lazy mind. Can we kick it up a notch?

Ditto. What`s the point? Where is the add-on to any argument and the downside is clear; reasonable offence.

751 LeePro  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 12:08:49am

re: #733 RTLM

Wait til Monday. Pure supposition at this point. But in the Progressive reactionary dipshit America hater circles the seething is just now in the conception stage.

"so long as I was running for president.."

Damn good catch, RTLM!
I watched the whole thing (diligently so as to enhance the continuing political education of my DH who is a recovering New Englander) and didn't catch that!

DING!

752 brainwizard73  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 12:09:13am

re: #748 RTLM

I feel this sense of deja vu...

Your point?

753 RTLM  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 12:10:19am

My younger Brother has Asperger's syndrome.

(high functioning autistic)

754 RTLM  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 12:12:18am

He has a savantish ability to complete word searches. (20 seconds)

But he can't order from a menu.

755 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 12:12:23am

re: #741 RTLM

From what I have gleaned over the net and out my window pretty good. Unfortunately the past several days I was too sick to take adavantge of it.

/why can't I ever get sick during miserable weather periods.

756 tokyobk  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 12:13:33am

re: #751 LeePro

Damn good catch, RTLM!
I watched the whole thing (diligently so as to enhance the continuing political education of my DH who is a recovering New Englander) and didn't catch that!

DING!

If he gets away with it or not I am not sure, but he is definitely saying that the risk of being mis-attributed for things said by people there he is going to resign not to damage his campaign.

Its a way of trying to play all sides, obviously.

757 LeePro  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 12:13:37am

re: #755 BlueCanuck

From what I have gleaned over the net and out my window pretty good. Unfortunately the past several days I was too sick to take adavantge of it.

/why can't I ever get sick during miserable weather periods.

You gotta just stop getting sick anyway! ! !
God bless you.

758 Bob in Breckenridge  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 12:14:00am

re: #723 formercorpsman

Bob, I just like to stir the pot a little.

Pure sarcastic sense of humor, without the tag.

Plus, who the hell uses sissy as a real insult anymore? ;)

Me, sissy. J/K. Got knocked offline for 30 minutes. Sorry.

759 brainwizard73  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 12:15:18am

Out of contributions for the morning. Time to go to work.

760 Bob in Breckenridge  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 12:16:15am

re: #726 talon_262

Charles/Stinky, please scrub my #686 where I quoted RTLM's Obama comment...

/Requesting your own posts be deleted by the Stinkmeister will NOT win you any points.

761 RTLM  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 12:20:13am

re: #752 brainwizard73

You haven't been here very long and you don't know me that well.

ni'night -

(you'll get it one day)

762 talon_262  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 12:22:44am

re: #759 brainwizard73

Out of contributions for the morning. Time to go to work.

"Time to make the donuts", right?

/old Dunkin Donuts ad ;)

763 Karridine  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 12:24:59am

'Obama is a light-hearted and carefree person, gay and free-spirited...' and being light-hearted and carefree TODAY is some kind of wrongth, isn't it?

I see people get [deleted] for noting Obama is light-hearted and-

/what? euphemism for homosexual? Oh, no!
Well in THAT case, I can see why the comments were wrongly posted, inappropriate, too... but the WHOLE CONCEPT of playing along with "pretty words to cover ugly realities" is inappropriate, and insulting to light-hearted and carefree people everywhere!

Mumph!

764 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 12:25:09am

re: #757 LeePro

It seems like I only get sick in the summer. But three years ago was my last illness so I can't complain too much. :)

765 pat  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 12:26:03am

re: #744 NY Nana

Hi. And did you hate my article on Britain? (i did not call it the nana state, actually, i do not do titling)

766 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 12:26:08am

re: #665 savage_nation

Patton Oswalt does a great schtick on food.

This is damn funny....

This bit is what got Oswalt the job of playing Remy the rat in "Ratatouille". I'm pretty sure it was Brad Bird himself who saw Oswalt's routine on food, and decided to offer him the job.

767 RTLM  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 12:28:19am

re: #755 BlueCanuck

From what I have gleaned over the net and out my window pretty good. Unfortunately the past several days I was too sick to take adavantge of it.

/why can't I ever get sick during miserable weather periods.

Damn - Summer colds just suck. Get well soon.

768 Bob in Breckenridge  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 12:28:29am

Well, I'm outta here. No hard feelings, please? In the end, remember this: We're all on the same team here. Agree to disagree on the squabbles. But let's fire our hatred toward those people who hate us, and our country, and think liberalism will solve everything. Fire your ammo wisely.

769 pat  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 12:28:59am

re: #733 RTLM

Whoa, where his heart is. A hater.

770 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 12:30:06am

re: #642 Cognito

Well don't I feel like an idiot. I didn't even realize Puerto Rico's vote counted... Does it count in November as well? Surely not?

No... But there are enough Riquenos in New York & environs (more PRs in NYC than on the island itself, IIRC) that the Billary machine pardoned PR'n terrorists to get their votes. For the Clintons they are muy importante.

771 LeePro  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 12:31:59am

ok, { { {Beloved Lizards} } }, I have now surpassed the "upstairs calling" hour of 2:00am, and have "y t r e w q" permanently stamped on my forehead.

¦O ya-a-a-w-w-w-n-n-n

G'nite, y'all!

~ big cootie-less {*smooch*} to you, red, wherever you are!

772 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 12:32:03am

re: #767 RTLM

Colds? those are just a minor inconvienience. When I say sick, I mean flat on the back, can't operate the remote, don't care what the time is, checking LGF on the way by for more fluids or to dispose of same. That's what I mean by sick. Colds I can live with. :)

/after all it is cold most of the time up here just ask red.

773 RTLM  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 12:32:23am

Autistic artist, Stephen Wiltshire

The Human Camera

774 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 12:33:05am

night {LeePro} sleep well.

775 Artiste  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 12:34:48am

Has anyone seen this?

Michelle Obama Suicide Watch

I have not been around here in an age!

776 looking closely  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 12:36:24am

re: #724 Killian Bundy

Well, this thread's taken a turn for the uplifting.

/back to reading IBD


Its a reasonable criticism of Mr. Obama, I think, but with his pledge to increase the personal income, social security, capital gains, AND dividend taxes, nobody who reads "Investors Business Daily" would be voting for Obama anyway!

777 pat  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 12:37:20am

re: #775 Artiste

LOL

778 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 12:40:05am

re: #762 talon_262

"Time to make the donuts", right?

/old Dunkin Donuts ad ;)

Not a Kaffiyeh to be seen on those old ads.

779 Karridine  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 12:40:16am

GrumpyBig & LeePro, I respect you both.

I've worked as a professional care-provider for hearing-handicapped and mentally retarded. I have seen and heard them sign their disgust for and speak their disgust for 'retards' in the real, STUPID WORLD around them... its the truth, they do, as do we from time to time...

But I object to trying to enforce a group public performance standard, believing rather that we have the ability here (with Charles' ultimate approval/disapproval as a given) to change our own declarations, choose our own words and police our own thoughts AS IF we were FREE, RESPONSIBLE ADULTS.

/Freedom-endowed, personally responsible adults don't have hall monitors and speech codes HERE...

780 RTLM  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 12:41:31am

re: #772 BlueCanuck

Damn - double get well soon.

(Endorphins)

781 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 12:45:51am

re: #780 RTLM

I am over the worst of it now. I am at work so that is the only sucky part. Usually only down hard for few days.

782 Neo Con since 9-11  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 12:52:03am

Great news coming out of Iraq this morning proving once again that the President just needs to keep changing generals till he finds the right one. The AP (al-qaeda propagandists),of course, shows their bias, loud and clear, in the title but this is good news. Even as deaths plunge the AP remain convinced the US will lose

Deaths in Iraq Plunge, but Will It Last?
U.S. military deaths plunged in May to the lowest monthly level in more than four years and civilian casualties were down sharply, too, as Iraqi forces assumed the lead in offensives in three cities and a truce with Shiite extremists took hold.

But many Iraqis as well as U.S. officials and private security analysts are uncertain whether the current lull signals a long-term trend or is simply a breathing spell like so many others before.

And in a completely unrelated note.

French minister's visit shows new stance on Iraq
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner met Iraq's president on Saturday during a visit officials said showed Paris's renewed commitment to a country whose 2003 invasion by U.S.-led troops it strongly opposed.
[snip]
Kouchner discussed the possibility of French companies investing in Iraq at the meeting with the Iraqi officials in Nassiriya, said Abdul Hussein Dawod, spokesman for the provincial governor.


I knew we could count on the French to back us up as soon as there was almost no danger and money to be made. Thanks,for the help mon amie. The US could have used it five years ago but better late than never.

783 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 12:52:56am

re: #776 looking closely

Its a reasonable criticism of Mr. Obama, I think, but with his pledge to increase the personal income, social security, capital gains, AND dividend taxes, nobody who reads "Investors Business Daily" would be voting for Obama anyway!

That goes without saying.

/but it's still going to land on the desks of the Movers and Shakers anyway Monday and the do move and they do shake

784 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 12:53:38am

re: #778 Fenway_Nation

Not a Kaffiyeh to be seen on those old ads.

Dunkin' Jihad

"Time to make the booo-ooombs"

785 looking closely  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 12:55:20am

re: #641 NY Nana

I hope that you are right. Sad when there are 2 of the very worst candidates on the same ticket when an election post-9/11 is so critical...and I am not totally thrilled with McCain, but will vote for him in a nano-second. That Shrillary has so many negatives? I cannot for the life of me comprehend how she was allowed to run,


Who would have stopped her?

She's the wife of a former US president who is still well-regarded within the party, herself one of the most high profile members of the Dem party, a sitting US Senator, and was, until relatively recently, favored not only to win the nomination, but also the election. She also started off with a fund raising advantage.

Given the closeness of the contest, retrospectively, she *might* have won it too, with a different strategy.

Forget the US Supreme Court nomination. . .there are no vacancies there right now, so that's not even something that reasonably *could* be offered as incentive.

Obama likely isn't going to offer her the VP nod, again for the simple reason that he can't trust her or her loose cannon husband. Obama could dangle a cabinet position, as the above linked article suggests though its not at all clear why she would agree to take it. She doesn't really need Obama's permission to try to pass her health care initiative, and he probably wouldn't oppose it in any case (especially given that hers and his are similar).

786 RTLM  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 1:01:59am

Anyone have any good headphone recommendations?

(I need new music for my ipod)

787 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 1:06:21am

re: #786 RTLM

Sorry, can't help you there. Statistically by book collection has outnumbered by music collection by at least 25 - 1.

/in the rich years of course.

788 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 1:07:16am

Anyway, Monday will be the fifth day of an attempted market rally. If we get a follow through day (a gain of 1.7% or more by at least one of the major indexes on higher volume than the previous day), the plan for next week is POT.

/tested and found support at it's ten week average

789 SDCook  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 1:12:44am

Operation Chaos part deux:
1. Encourage HRC to run as an independent.
2. Start an HRC write-in campaign.
Turnabout's fair play after Perot in '92.

790 SDCook  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 1:13:37am

I should add *Snark*

791 NTropy  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 1:17:56am

Sorry - off-topic I know but I needed somewhere to post these...
Jimbarack O'Carter
and
Chebama

792 RTLM  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 1:21:37am

re: #788 Killian Bundy

Anyway, Monday will be the fifth day of an attempted market rally. If we get a follow through day (a gain of 1.7% or more by at least one of the major indexes on higher volume than the previous day), the plan for next week is POT.

/tested and found support at it's ten week average

Gas prices, house prices and food prices were all at beneficial levels prior to 2006. When we got a Dem led worthless POS of a Congress/Senate that has done NOTHING except lob surrender bill after surrender bill at the President. Which he’s flicked off like so much dry bird shit.

I’d like to see some names of these oil speculators. a $20 says George Soros is knee deep in it.

(deep thoughts)

793 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 1:22:09am

re: #779 Karridine

GrumpyBig & LeePro, I respect you both.

I've worked as a professional care-provider for hearing-handicapped and mentally retarded. I have seen and heard them sign their disgust for and speak their disgust for 'retards' in the real, STUPID WORLD around them... its the truth, they do, as do we from time to time...

But I object to trying to enforce a group public performance standard, believing rather that we have the ability here (with Charles' ultimate approval/disapproval as a given) to change our own declarations, choose our own words and police our own thoughts AS IF we were FREE, RESPONSIBLE ADULTS.

/Freedom-endowed, personally responsible adults don't have hall monitors and speech codes HERE...

A few years ago, Boulder had this inviolable code of warehousing challenged adults for as long as they were alive. The Colorado Supreme Court ruled that lifelong warehousing was a violation of their essential civil rights. It caused quite a major controversy around then.

There was a group home for the challenged not 150 feet from where I lived when the great liberation occurred. There was one challenged woman that I perceived to be so limited that she would likely never be competent to take care of herself. I would stand at the bus stop, and she'd lounge on the curb of one of the busiest streets in the city, and I was convinced she'd get run over sooner or later.

Within 12 months I observed very marked and radical transitions in her behavior. She stopped being the hopelessly dependent person I thought she would be for the rest of her life. In fact, she started to become observant of fashion, and was quite moderated in her behavior, although I attributed it more to mimicked behavior than the independent actions of her own free will.

It was not much later that she found herself a beau. He was no prize package, but in truth neither was she. My observations were that her IQ certainly could not exceed 80, and was probably more in the 60-70 range. Anyway, this other challenged person, this guy, took more and more interest in her, and within a pretty short period of time she became more and more attractive and appealing as a person. Less than 15 months out of the last group home she'd ever live in, she finally closed the deal and started what looked to me like a perfect and loving marriage. A year later they had a perfectly normal child.

That is life, as it should be.

Some people cannot cope with perfect life.

794 Hard Right  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 1:30:55am

In a way we shouldn't be too happy. Hill's demise is in large part thanks to Soros.

Soros really does own the dem party. I don't care for a meglomanical loon, internationally convicted criminal, with a messiah complex to be in control of 1/2 of America's political parties.

795 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 1:45:04am

re: #792 RTLM

Gas prices, house prices and food prices were all at beneficial levels prior to 2006. When we got a Dem led worthless POS of a Congress/Senate that has done NOTHING except lob surrender bill after surrender bill at the President. Which he’s flicked off like so much dry bird shit.

I’d like to see some names of these oil speculators. a $20 says George Soros is knee deep in it.

(deep thoughts)

Doesn't mean you can't still make money on the situation. Speculation in the oil pits is hardly the problem.

/Who Is Really Responsible For The High Prices You Pay For Gasoline?

796 Crepuscular Prick  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 1:51:35am

I predict that Hillary's dignified exit will include being tasered, strapped into a straight jacket and carried off the podium at the Dem convention.

797 RTLM  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 1:52:46am

re: #795 Killian Bundy

Lots of ANWR in that article.

Bakken field, Rockies shale, Canada sands.

(one new refinery)

The right person utters the right words; -.59 cents/gal tomorrow.

798 freetoken  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 1:53:28am

re: #795 Killian Bundy

/Who Is Really Responsible For The High Prices You Pay For Gasoline?

Do you really believe that editorial?

799 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 1:56:48am

re: #797 RTLM

heck, I would be happy with 59 cents a liter.

/hands off our oil sands, we've been trying to exploit them for decades. ;)

800 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 1:59:31am

It's jes' about fruitcup time!

801 littleoldlady  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 2:00:03am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ---------------------->
Help yourselves!

802 littleoldlady  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 2:00:35am

Fenway! :-)

Good timing!

803 Clemente  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 2:03:28am

Filed under WTF? - Obamessiah a la MSM, via Newsbusters,

804 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 2:07:11am

re: #802 littleoldlady

Fenway! :-)

Good timing!

Timing is everything....

805 littleoldlady  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 2:08:26am

It's time for Sunday brunch! Grab a plate and get in line, please. Plenty of goodies for everyone, so no pushing! Bon appetit, and all that jazz. Let's not forget the most important part of every meal. Drinks? Well, yeah. But I was talking about dessert!

806 littleoldlady  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 2:09:03am

re: #803 Clemente

Good grief!

807 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 2:10:36am

re: #805 littleoldlady

Very nice, many up dings littleoldlady. :)

/sticking just to hot lemon honey tea though. :p

808 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 2:11:21am

re: #798 freetoken

Do you really believe that editorial?

Don't you?

/what's your alternative explanation?

809 littleoldlady  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 2:12:05am

re: #807 BlueCanuck

BlueCanuck! :-)

Uh oh! Are you sick? :-(

810 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 2:12:56am

re: #809 littleoldlady

Just recovering. Only thing I can get down me throat.

811 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 2:15:42am

The oil companies make an 8% profit margin, pretty average accross all corporations.

/Microsoft makes a higher profit margin, aim your pitchforks at them

812 littleoldlady  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 2:15:42am

re: #810 BlueCanuck

OY! That's bad. At least you are on the mend!

/I hope I put linen napkins on the buffet...

813 Clemente  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 2:18:17am

Dang, I'm sorry, lol!

I just now realized how many lizards are likely to click my link in the middle of this evening's first bite of scrumptious fruit cup. Like garlic, brussel sprouts, and curry in their ice cream sundae, probably...

814 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 2:19:59am

re: #811 Killian Bundy

When it comes to the cost of fuel, especially up here I have laughed at the morons who suggest boycotting specific oil companies on a rotating basis. The problem, or part, is the governtment taxes. Half the cost of our liter of gas is taxes. Then we pay a goods and services tax on top of that. That's right we pay a tax on a tax. So once again we are getting screwed by big brother rather than big Corporation.

815 RTLM  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 2:20:07am

re: #811 Killian Bundy

The oil companies make an 8% profit margin, pretty average accross all corporations.

/Microsoft makes a higher profit margin, aim your pitchforks at them

We're not attacking Oil Companies. (I'm not)

I'm in full attack mode on Homo Stupidicus.

(Quantitative disagreement leverage - them)

816 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 2:21:00am

re: #812 littleoldlady

Good news in a way? Lost five pounds in three days. :)

/not a diet I recommend at all.

817 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 2:22:04am

re: #813 Clemente

I forgive you. At least I have a strong stomach for that kind of thing.

818 littleoldlady  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 2:27:36am

re: #816 BlueCanuck

Yeah. Rapid weight loss. I know that kind of sick. :-(

{BlueCanuck!}

819 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 2:30:22am

re: #818 littleoldlady

BTW I might have recalled you saying a couple weeks ago that you lost your cranky flakes link. Is this true?

820 littleoldlady  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 2:31:14am

re: #819 BlueCanuck

Sad but true.

/I really have to clean up this computer...

821 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 2:31:42am

re: #813 Clemente

I like brussel sprouts.

822 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 2:32:42am

then this is for you. :)

/pack rat par excellance

823 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 2:33:32am

re: #815 RTLM

We're not attacking Oil Companies. (I'm not)

I'm in full attack mode on Homo Stupidicus.

(Quantitative disagreement leverage - them)

The oil price is now basically steadily increasing world demand versus static production (throw in a modicum of global uncertainty). There's three ways out of this mess, reduce demand (good luck), increase supply (good luck), or change the energy paradigm.

/take your pick

824 littleoldlady  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 2:33:44am

re: #822 BlueCanuck

WHAT A GUY!

THANK YOU! :-)

825 littleoldlady  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 2:34:12am

re: #821 Sharmuta

I like brussel sprouts.

Sharmuta! :-)

Me, too.

/it's all in the recipe...

826 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 2:34:59am

re: #824 littleoldlady

I live to serve. :)

/no good deed goes unpunished :D

827 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 2:36:51am

re: #823 Killian Bundy

Hmmm, I will pick number 3 please.

/after we deal with all the greenies/reds first.
//they are the ultimate pessimists.

828 littleoldlady  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 2:38:35am

re: #826 BlueCanuck

I think we may need those in the next few months.

/I hope I'm wrong
//Clemente's link was one of those moments... :-/

829 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 2:39:06am

re: #825 littleoldlady

{littleoldlady}!

/with garlic and butter

830 RTLM  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 2:44:19am

re: #823 Killian Bundy

The oil price is now basically steadily increasing world demand versus static production (throw in a modicum of global uncertainty). There's three ways out of this mess, reduce demand (good luck), increase supply (good luck), or change the energy paradigm.

/take your pick

Er -- answer B

831 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 2:44:28am

re: #821 Sharmuta

I like brussel sprouts.

They are the vegetable of the devil himself. :P

/never liked them, had them prepared "good" ways as well.

832 littleoldlady  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 2:46:16am

re: #829 Sharmuta

{littleoldlady}!

/with garlic and butter

...and parmesan cheese, breaded and thrown under the broiler for a few minutes.

/forget the turkey
//brussels sprouts is why everyone shows up here for Thanksgiving...

833 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 2:47:13am

re: #832 littleoldlady

Can I come for Thanksgiving? Pleeeaase?

834 littleoldlady  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 2:50:30am

re: #833 Sharmuta

Natch! :-)

835 Karridine  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 2:53:44am

re: #793 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I concur yr analysis, Grumpy Big... even severely mentally-challenged CAN rise to higher ability levels IF given the chance.

"But it can be SO DANGEROUS in the real world...!" TRUE, but the Darwin Awards every year go out to recently-demised persons from the DEEP END of the IQ pool, as well as mid-range (IQ 90-130) who -strangely enough- take the majority of the Darwin Awards... "Lawyer Zones Out, Jogs Off 100-meter Cliff!"

Intelligence, in MY experience as in yours, is NO GUARANTEE of mindfulness... :D

836 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 2:55:21am

re: #834 littleoldlady

WoooHOOOOOO! I'll bring my own linen. ;)

837 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 2:55:38am

re: #835 Karridine

Hmmm, might have to concur with that. Know a few people with university degrees and not much going on upstairs. I think we may have to eventually redefine intelligence as a whole.

838 littleoldlady  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 2:56:17am

re: #837 BlueCanuck

Hmmm, might have to concur with that. Know a few people with university degrees and not much going on upstairs. I think we may have to eventually redefine intelligence as a whole.

As evidenced by their upcoming votes for Obama....

839 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 2:57:23am
840 Karridine  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 2:57:38am

re: #834 littleoldlady

One of the most memorable Thanksgiving dinners in my life was 1965, when I shared a Mexican-American Thanksgiving, with tamale pies, enchiladas, tortillas and tacos and gross overeating on my part... DEE-licious!

841 RTLM  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 2:57:59am
842 littleoldlady  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 3:03:37am

re: #840 Karridine

Karridine! :-)

You're kidding!?

/as if I'd serve matzoh ball soup for Thanksgiving
//purist

;-)

843 littleoldlady  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 3:04:45am

re: #839 Killian Bundy

Killian! :-)

That was my signature song when I was 3!

/a neighborhood sensation...

844 Karridine  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 3:10:36am

re: #842 littleoldlady

No, Ma'am... I was a slick-sleeve in my first year of Army service, and these friends were near Fort Ord, where I was stationed... I couldn't get home for Thanksgiving...

I mean sincerely, that Thanksgiving dinner STANDS OUT of the many wonderful turkey, ham, punkin' pie and FIXINS dinners... BECAUSE it was NOT turkey, ham or those other yummies, Little Olde!

846 littleoldlady  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 3:14:34am

re: #845 Killian Bundy

IIRC, the movie ended just before the bloodbath occurred.

/which is a good thing.
//squeamish :-/

847 Karridine  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 3:15:27am

re: #845 Killian Bundy

The 2004 movie, "The Alamo" portrays him as being executed... I KNOW there were howls from critics, but I druther see accurate depictions, if possible...

Do you have any observations on The Alamo, Killian? (movie or event)

848 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 3:17:47am

re: #847 Karridine

Do you have any observations on The Alamo, Killian? (movie or event)

/only the snippets of the historical record

849 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 3:18:17am

re: #845 Killian Bundy

I remember seeing the Fess Parker movie, a re-release mind you, in our towns movie theater. Imagine a 500 seat theater packed with kids and only 4 ushers to keep us in line. :)

/we didn't stand a chance.

850 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 3:20:00am

re: #847 Karridine

The 2004 movie, "The Alamo" portrays him as being executed... I KNOW there were howls from critics, but I druther see accurate depictions, if possible...

Do you have any observations on The Alamo

/bad strategic plan ordered to execution?

851 littleoldlady  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 3:23:33am

Everybody upstairs?

852 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 3:24:09am

re: #849 BlueCanuck

I remember seeing the Fess Parker movie, a re-release mind you, in our towns movie theater. Imagine a 500 seat theater packed with kids and only 4 ushers to keep us in line. :)

/we didn't stand a chance.

I had an 800 seat house and an ancillary screen.

/color me Saturday morning understanding

853 mikedevx  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 4:43:02am

"It’s clear that the Democratic Party believes a radical left candidate is their best chance to win the White House this year. Hillary’s just a little bit too sane."

Actually, given Obama's huge lead in delegates, the superdelegates would have had to deny him the nomination. The Democrat Party was never going to do that. (Dick Morris was right.)

Here is a scary alternative to the usual comments. Yes, Obama is far-left, but what if he turns out to be capable of governing from the center? What if he actually is a very smart politician? All these ridiculous, outrageous Chicago far-left liberals... he just hung around them to set up his power base. Then he hard-knuckled his way into office in Illinois. Then an easy run to the US Senate. Then, when Hillary inexplicably ran to the center on the Iraq War in the Democrat primary, he took his natural position on her left, and energized the young, and this allowed his 'Change' message to gain steam.

This is a year of bad economics (no, not a recession, but still). $4 per gallon gas. An Iraq War that it seems the people just are tired of, though we're winning. I'm talking about all those Democrats and Independents, not Republicans. After ten years of Republican control, with too much corruption and sleazy sex scandals, it seems the center and the left are simply ready for a change. And Senator Clinton meant continuing one of the two dynasties: that's not change.

I think Hillary's made enough noises about her "changed approach" to health care that the left and the center will listen to her. It won't be nearly as damaging to have her in the cabinet on that issue as you might hope. Biden as Secretary of State, Edwards as Attorney General. This is all very effective to the left and I fear, especially to the center. What do the Republicans have to counter those kinds of moves?

The national mood seems to be to give the Dems their turn now. How much damage could Obama do in four years? If you remember Jimmy Carter... he could do a LOT of damage! But the left and center appear to be willing to take the risk. And just imagine if Obama actually has learned from this campaign and is ready to put his hard-leftie bullsh*t behind, and govern from the center? Personally, there's no evidence of this... but if he runs his campaign that way, I know a lot of people in the middle that might buy it.

In any case, this is going to be one wild ride to November this year! This will continue to be the most fascinating political year in my lifetime. I'm glad I get to see it. If my heart was set on McCain, I guess I would be crushed if Obama wins, but I really don't have a dog in this fight. Three years ago I decided "a pox on both your houses!" and I still haven't changed my mind on that.

854 Roger  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 4:57:14am

re: #853 mikedevx

You are assuming the conservative conservatives are a given for McCain.

855 FrogMarch  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 6:44:17am

re: #362 DoubleU

That's exactly it.

856 rb4269  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 6:52:31am

Since the Clinton Administration's most cynical sop to the African-American community was to reserve the Surgeon General's office exclusively for members of that political identity group, and keeping with Obama's and Clinton's demogoging of the health care crisis , truly poetic justice requires that she be appointed Surgeon General and not HHS secretary

857 Apple77  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 6:53:50am

I'd be sorry to hear Hillary had to bow out. I really do think she'd be a better President than either Obama (who'd be awful) or McCain (who seems like a RINO). Then again, I'm not American and don't live in America, so what would I know?

858 DEWIE  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 7:00:13am

Here's something that will scare you & may prevent you from sleeping tonight. .. If Hillary tosses in the towel & agrees to back BO, & he becomes President, what will she want in return? Not the VP - the voters, the party, & BO probably wouldn't stand for that - and in 8 years, she'll be too old to run for the presidency again.

So, what would this power hungry woman settle for? If BO is elected, the House & Senate will surely be Democrat controlled & BO can pay Hillary off big time by nominating her for the Supreme Court. Remember, John Paul Stevens is 88 yrs old. The Republicans will have no way of stopping it. This woman would then be able to rain havoc on our Republic for the rest of her life & do more damage than she ever could do as President. Sleep tight...

859 leslein  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:49:59am

It's a mark of how unpopular Republicans are that a lightweight Marxist Chicago politician with no significant accomplishments has an excellent chance to win the presidency. The tipoff was when Obama said he was willing to lose tax revenue by raising capital gains taxes to hurt the wealthy.

I think that the recent evidence of Obama's weaknesses and past radicalism had the paradoxical effect of helping him with the superdelegates. They figure a Clinton nomination will tear the party apart. Rallying behind Obama seals off this line of attack from Clinton. When it's brought up in the general election Republicans will be accused of negative campaigning.

860 nacazo  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:09:47am

re: #66 opnion

I have to agree with the McCain comment, But he seems to really dislike Barry.
My guess is that McCain sees Obama as a less than loyal American. Whatever I think of him, he is a patriot.

If I had spent five years in the Hanoi Hilton for this country, I would develop a certain dislike for someone that has been given everything in a silver plater and still can't find something to be proud about this country.

861 norar  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:54:41am

It seems from the article that its Obama campain that seeks to get Clinton out of the way which would be a good sign for Clinton. So I don't think she is going yet.

862 Catttt  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 1:26:10pm

re: #447 Ma Sands

One like that, then, interspersed with quick shots of him running away from one thing after another, would be great, I think..... :) --like he ran away from the press reps tonight.....

Oh, that is an EXCELLENT idea.

/plots and plans

863 ladyk  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 3:41:23pm

#114
This lady doesn't feel sorry for HRC at. all. I think her "fighting spirit" is arrogance and self-delusion. I will never forget the CBS interview in which she placidly said, "Well, it will be me." It was as if she didn't even consider the notion that she wouldn't win.

All this assurance from a woman who would likely be little more than a social action lawyer if she didn't have the husband she does. Sorry, but as a woman, I take exception to her being held up as a model in any way. That woman might have two ovaries and a uterus, but she is not my sister, and the Hillary supporters who sat on the floor and cried after the DNC FL-MI decision was announced do not speak for me. Would Margaret T. have done any of this? She'd have yanked those women up from the floor by the ears and demanded that they stop humiliating themselves. Hillary, meanwhile, takes the whole business to court.

Before this election, although her ethics disgusted me, I could at least admit that HRC was smart and a good politician. I can't even say that anymore. She went into this thing with every single conceivable advantage and blew it all. If she's so brilliant, why was the campaign run so poorly? Why didn't she foresee the "change" pulse, as Obama did? Where did all that ready cash go? Why was there so much managerial chaos within her organization? If she's "ready to lead on Day One", how is it she didn't even plan out the battle beyond Super Tuesday? I worked the polls in a post-ST state, and there was an Obama person at every single polling place, plus signs all over the county. Hillary's people? Well, they weren't seen until 15 minutes after the polls closed and one sketchy guy came knocking around to see if voting had been extended because "I heard something on the radio." It spoke volumes about the difference between the two campaigns. There are no excuses for that, especially if she had a front-row seat for the campaigns of '92 and '96.

She's failed this primary season on every conceivable level as a CEO, and she failed not because she is a woman or Obama is necessarily so great, but because she made mistake after mistake after mistake. I don't feel sorry for her. And I certainly don't admire her.

864 EE  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:13:21pm

The fact that Obama has been able to easily raise a quarter of a billion dollars so far has a lot to do with how well he has done. But he has not won most of the primary elections where people actually cast a secret ballot. He has won almost every caucus. These are circuses where there is no secret ballot, and where the public that shows for the event can be intimidated or bribed (with "inducements", since bribes are illegal). Obama has been a con-man master of hucksterism, with his mantra of (unspecified) change, and selling people permission to "hope", and so on, and it attracts the youngsters, who are gullible enough to believe such nonsense. They are the zealots who fuel the Obama campaign, and have helped him win the caucuses, which have depended on money and zealoutry.

865 EE  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:30:49pm

The caucuses are much less a reflection of the will of the people than are primary elections. In the caucuses -- at least the Dem caucuses -- there is no secret ballot. That means that peer pressure, including intimidation and "inducements" (bribes by another name) can play a role. The hours of the caucus are limited, so many people are not able to show up. You have to be there at a certain time; if you come late you cannot participate. There is no absentee ballot. Not only is there no secret ballot, but there is campaigning that goes on within the space of the caucus.

Imagine a regular election having a secret ballot. Take away the curtain. Allow campaigning inside. Allow intimidation of neighbors, allow "inducements" or bribes right in the balloting area. Take away the physical balloting and substitute the actions of walking to a different place in the room -- under the gaze of your neighbors. The whole thing is a scam that gives control to the organization that has the zealots and the manpower and the money for the "inducements" to the caucus-attenders. As Christopher Hitchens pointed out, the procedure makes America look like a banana republic, both internally and externally.

These scams are what Barack Obama won.

This is the guy who entered politics by having his lawyers examine all of the petitions of all of his rivals, and finding enough items to disqualify every single rival, so that he was the only person on the ballot. If a word has a letter wrong on an address, then the whole sheet is disqualified. Obama sent his lawyers to get a victory by finding such things and disqualifying all of his rivals.

The caucus scams can be won by the side that has the most corrupt politician, or the most corrupt organization, or the most corrupt supporters. Our presidential candidates should not be chosen by these outdated antiquated methods, when there are means of secret ballots.

The Obama campaign is the most well-healed, it attracts the young zealots because of the messiah's hucksterism, and it is willing to play the dirtiest.

And yet, despite all of Obama's money (he has already raised a quarter of a billion dollars), the candidate who won the popular vote was Hillary, NOT Obama. The superdelegates, of course, are attracted to Obama's amazing money machine, and will nominate him by stealing the election away from the candidate who is most popular among the masses of Democrats -- as shown by the primary elections that had a secret ballot.

866 mikedevx  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 3:42:01pm

#865
"And yet, despite all of Obama's money (he has already raised a quarter of a billion dollars), the candidate who won the popular vote was Hillary, NOT Obama. The superdelegates, of course, are attracted to Obama's amazing money machine, and will nominate him by stealing the election away from the candidate who is most popular among the masses of Democrats..."

EE, I think there are few things you've left out of your analysis.
First, as to winning the popular vote: It depends on how you count Michigan. My family lives in Michigan (I'm in Texas). They all liked John Edwards and disliked Barack Obama. When faced with Clinton vs Uncommitted, they voted... Clinton. They did not want to vote Uncommitted because they felt it was too vague. My family is a very typical example of Michigan's labor-union-centric Democrats. How many votes for Clinton would have gone to someone else? If you say, don't count Uncommitted for Obama because you don't know, how can you say, Count Clinton, because based on my example, you don't know that either. Michigan is a mess when it comes to deciding ANYTHING.

Second, superdelegates are extremely wise to how politics work. They know that the campaign was completely based on increasing your candidate's delegate count, PERIOD. That means that all strategies were devoted to increasing turnout and votes in TARGETED DISTRICTS. There was no real effort towards simply increasing your votes statewide. That's why popular vote is a nice metric, but it's not quite dependable either. And the superdelegates know that.

Third, it's about the money and the database of voter information, sure. But to vote for Clinton would mean overriding the VOTE of the people, by overriding the win by Obama on pledged (voted-for) delegates. Once you understand that the superdelegates honor the regular delegates as the will of the people, you can see why they would be so reluctant to "steal" the election from the candidate that won the regular delegates.

Anyway, I think you missed these points, or perhaps you would simply disagree with them.


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