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The First Notes of Hillary's Swan Song

Sat, May 31, 2008 at 7:21:51 pm PDT

We all know it’s coming, we just don’t know when: Hillary Clinton to be offered dignified exit.

It’s clear that the Democratic Party believes a radical left candidate is their best chance to win the White House this year. Hillary’s just a little bit too sane. Under the bus with her.

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1 mikeinmd  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:22:59pm

when hell freezes over is my first thought.

2 elevenbravo1969  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:23:12pm

Adios!

3 Racer X  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:23:16pm

I would not count her out just yet.

4 Racer X  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:23:47pm

re: #1 mikeinmd

subtle.

5 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:23:50pm
Hillary Clinton to be offered dignified exit

/get out or it's under the bus you go

6 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:24:13pm

Will she stay on a binge till then?

7 Sharmuta  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:24:26pm

Don't go for it Hill! Never surrender!

8 mitthrawnurdo  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:25:04pm

re: #5 Killian Bundy

But I thought it wasn't over until the "Lady in the Pantsuit" said so?

/My mom swears that Hillary said something like this.

9 BingoBunny  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:25:15pm

Hillary will be dignified if she wins nomination.. otherwise she will be the Dems worst nightmare.

10 pat  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:25:32pm

In like a lion, out like a bitch.

11 MrArchieBunker  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:25:33pm

HHS Sec. Clinton? Oh man, that fire up the GOP base!

12 Shay4l  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:25:37pm

Well, if it requires her to be dignified, I guess they're out of luck

13 jaunte  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:25:48pm

Keep on fighting, Hillary.

14 WindHorse  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:25:53pm

where I come from....

Pants suits never quit.....

(just remember that Hillary.... just remember...)

15 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:25:55pm
16 Sharmuta  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:25:59pm

Don't go for it Hill. He's half white- don't trust whitey!

17 Israel4ever  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:26:09pm

I can't believe I almost feel a little bit bad for Hillary. I mean, to be treated like that by your own party after being such a good moonbat.
OT - I hope McCain picks Jindal.

18 UberInfidel67  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:26:35pm

I hope the hell she stays in! I would rather see her vs McCain than the Obamessiah! Holy cow....I will hide under the covers if she quits. But she seems like a snotty bitch....hopefully she tells the Dem party to GFT. I fear Obamessiah more than I fear her.

JMHO

19 MrArchieBunker  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:26:44pm

Preview is your friend: HHS Sec. Clinton? Oh man, that will fire up the GOP base!

20 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:26:47pm

I have a feeling the Clintons have a whopper coming by the end of the summer and the Messiah will be the target.

21 DesertSage  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:26:56pm
The former First Lady would get the chance to pilot Mr Obama’s reforms of the American healthcare system if she agrees to clear the path to his nomination as Democratic presidential candidate.

Not again. Haven't we already been through this once?

22 mitthrawnurdo  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:27:04pm

re: #15 song_and_dance_man

Liquor works too.

23 mitthrawnurdo  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:27:26pm

re: #21 DesertSage

Two socialists are better than one!

24 pat  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:27:46pm

She was an idiot. She never went for Obama's throat. She thought the GOP would. But McCain loves Dems more than his own party, what ever party that is.

25 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:27:52pm
26 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:27:54pm

When animals eat their own.

27 Brigman  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:28:07pm

not if this Harriet has anything to do with it....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KACQuZVAE3s

28 Sharmuta  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:28:24pm
Tentative contacts have already taken place between Obama and Clinton aides over the endgame, but there have been no formal talks.

obama's practicing for iran.

29 really grumpy big dog johnson  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:28:30pm

Hillary won't bow out until she's ushered off the convention floor in advance of the grand coronation. She plans on keeping that from happening. I would not bet against her, but I sure would bet against her party in November.

30 DesertSage  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:28:30pm

re: #23 mitthrawnurdo

Two socialists are better than one!

I've seen this movie before, it doesn't end well.

31 pat  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:29:19pm

Obama is such a weak and uneducated candidate they might have to pick her for VP.

32 nigella  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:29:28pm

Frankly, if she does this soon, she is stupid, and I don't think the Clintons are stupid. She must see that her opponent for the nomination is imploding and she isn't that far behind.I think there is still something out there about Obama that she knows exists and that is why she has stayed in this long. I believe she had hoped the Republicans would spring it so she hasn't unleashed it. My feeling is that she is trying to survive until the convention and hope someone else releases it.I know that is a conspiracy theory, but it seems the only explanation I can come up with for her to stay in this thing.

33 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:29:31pm
34 stevieray  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:29:47pm

Oh c'mon... Hillary ain't going near any kind of healthcare omnibus bill. Especially one where the putative president could abandon the bill and leave her twisting in the wind -- again -- over socialized medicine. That would make her look foolish, and drive the final, permanent nail in any future presidential aspirations. She'd be a dolt to take this offer.

35 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:30:27pm
36 really grumpy big dog johnson  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:30:43pm

re: #17 Israel4ever

I can't believe I almost feel a little bit bad for Hillary. I mean, to be treated like that by your own party after being such a good moonbat.
OT - I hope McCain picks Jindal.

Jindal is one vibrantly intelligent young man. I worry about experience with him, but my intuition says he has more sense in his pinky finger than Obama will ever have.

37 Anthony (Los Angeles)  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:30:45pm

There's no way Lady Macbeth would accept this offer, unless it were to sabotage Obama from the inside. I think she'd rather stay in the Senate and challenge him in 2012 if, Cthulhu forbid, he wins in '08.

38 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:30:59pm
39 Arkay  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:31:02pm

One recalls the man who gave instructions on the disposal of his mother-in-law's remains.

'Enbalm, cremate and bury. Take no chances!'

OTOH, the Obamanable Snowjob may, just *may*, turn into the biggest gafft, I mean gift, the GOP could ask for in this particular year. The man who can't remember how many states there are in the Union, who thinks the honored dead really want to hear him speak, who gives $20,000 to a racist church he runs away from at the last possible moment, may actually be beatable.

The problem I have is the messiah factor. Too many people think this joker can walk on water--it truly frightens me to think him with 60 senators and a Demo house.

40 Richard Romano  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:31:18pm

This is a real laugher -- here's a party that has created a whole host of victimization groups, and now they're reaping; it's going to be a nasty drive to Denver.

To add, the gaffes keep piling up, before they know it, the man will have a book of gaffes -- they are actually sowing the seeds of their landslide defeat in November...what will they do then?

41 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:31:21pm

Can Obama throw her under the bus before he ends up in Fort Marcy Park?

/June starts tomorrow, remember what happened to RFK

42 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:31:25pm

Hell no, she won't go! She's taking it to Denver.

43 DesertSage  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:31:27pm

re: #36 really grumpy big dog johnson

Jindal is one vibrantly intelligent young man. I worry about experience with him, but my intuition says he has more sense in his pinky finger than Obama will ever have.

And he speaks a whole lot better also.

44 elevenbravo1969  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:31:42pm

I can't wait for her to start campaigning for the 'anointed one.' I will be analyzing her every statement and calculating how painful it must have been for her to deliver it. I swear it's going to be as if she's pulling out her own fingernails one by one...and then starting in on her toenails. Hoo-hah!

45 solomonpanting  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:32:18pm
Another Democrat who has discussed strategy with friends in the Obama inner circle said that Mr Obama was openly considering asking Mrs Clinton to join his cabinet, alongside two other former presidential rivals: John Edwards, who is seen as a likely attorney general;

That alone is enough to not vote for Obama.

46 Sgt.Slappy  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:32:22pm

A less palatable democrat (B. Hussein Obama) may not necessarily be a bad thing if McCain is going to win this election. I only wish the Repubs could run a genuine conservative candidate.

Of course, if B. Hussein managed to win... God help us all.

47 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:32:24pm

re: #36 really grumpy big dog johnson

Jindal is one vibrantly intelligent young man. I worry about experience with him, but my intuition says he has more sense in his pinky finger than Obama will ever have.

Absolutely. If he can use Louisiana as his proving grounds and fix that broken mess of a socialist welfare state post Katrina his nomination would be assured. Forget Veep. Go all the way.

48 Sharmuta  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:33:24pm

She should active the Omega 13!

Never give up! Never surrender! Go, Hill, go!

49 rollingdivision  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:34:10pm

At one time I thought Clinton would be the easier Democrat to beat. Now, after much hard work by Obama, he has changed (he loves change!) my mind and I think he is the weaker. Hopefully, Clinton will be dissed to the point she keeps up the fight and takes this to the convention.

50 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:34:16pm

It's a strange state of affairs when Lizards root for Hillary.

51 nigella  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:34:40pm

Sharmuta I love Galaxy Quest. It's so funny because it is so Star trek, William Shatner.

52 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:34:55pm

re: #50 Who Watches the Watchmen?

It's a strange state of affairs when Lizards root for Hillary.

Sign of End Times.

no sarc.

53 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:35:07pm

I still hope they nominate Barry Waffles, but I'm loving the chaos.

54 Racer X  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:35:13pm

My prediction still stands. Hillary will not give up.

55 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:35:25pm
56 sngnsgt  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:35:40pm

Run Hillary run!

57 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:35:51pm

re: #50 Who Watches the Watchmen?

It's a strange state of affairs when Lizards root for Hillary.

Its a win win situation.

/she can't win, but she can still cause a lot of damage

58 Sharmuta  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:36:07pm
Informal talks have already begun between Obama and Clinton fundraisers to discuss a merger, enabling Mr Obama to pay off Mrs Clinton’s campaign debts of $11 million

Well- there is that. But all she needs is another book deal, so I don't see why she'd need to go for this.

59 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:36:57pm
60 sngnsgt  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:37:54pm

A Clinton dignified? Since when?

61 really grumpy big dog johnson  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:38:50pm

re: #47 Oh no...Sand People!

Absolutely. If he can use Louisiana as his proving grounds and fix that broken mess of a socialist welfare state post Katrina his nomination would be assured. Forget Veep. Go all the way.

I'd prefer that he had at least four years of seasoning first. But I am amazed by him. He makes Obama look like a shadow.

62 Yankee Division Son  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:38:57pm

Ah.. but will she accept said offer..

63 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:39:00pm

re: #60 sngnsgt

A Clinton dignified? Since when?

It depends on what 'is' is.

64 snowcrash  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:39:07pm

Hillary should fight to the end. She has been so dissed by the media and her party that a scorched earth policy doesn't seem out of the question.

65 Lively  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:39:28pm

Are we all gonna meek back here on Sunday to watch Trinity's church service. It should be lively.

66 opnion  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:39:45pm

re: #24 pat

She was an idiot. She never went for Obama's throat. She thought the GOP would. But McCain loves Dems more than his own party, what ever party that is.

I have to agree with the McCain comment, But he seems to really dislike Barry.
My guess is that McCain sees Obama as a less than loyal American. Whatever I think of him, he is a patriot.

67 Lively  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:39:59pm

re: #63 Oh no...Sand People!

It depends on what 'is' is.

It also depends on what "when" is.

68 JeremyR  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:40:45pm

re: #56 sngnsgt

Run Hillary run!

Is that sticker on the front bumper, or the back one?

69 ciaospirit  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:41:09pm

re: #31 pat

Obama is such a weak and uneducated candidate they might have to pick her for VP.

Not according to this Dem pollster in the article who gives us his all wise all knowing assessment of Hillary's defeat. (notice he says defeat as if it's a done deal)

In any case, Mr Mellman believes the decisive factor in her defeat was the one she couldn’t control. “The most important thing was that she was up against Barack Obama. He is enormously talented.”

70 MandyManners  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:41:40pm

re: #50 Who Watches the Watchmen?

It's a strange state of affairs when Lizards root for Hillary.

She's not nearly as scary as BHO.

71 itellu3times  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:41:40pm

re: #11 MrArchieBunker

HHS Sec. Clinton? Oh man, that fire up the GOP base!

Associate Supreme Court Justice Hillary R. Clinton

72 winston06  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:41:59pm

Obama is like New Hamshire's Ned Lamont in 2006 elections

73 Adrenalyn  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:42:02pm

I see Hitlerynot giving up
she will start her own party, like Ross Perot
to fuck Obama

she knows she has no viable chance ever again after this
and the old saying still goes
hell hath no fury like a woman scorned

she'll ruin him and the party
stay in the Senate until her term ends
and quietly leave public life

oh, and Bill Clinton will have a heart attack and die in there somewhere

74 David Simon  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:42:02pm
The former First Lady would get the chance to pilot Mr Obama’s reforms of the American healthcare system if she agrees to clear the path to his nomination as Democratic presidential candidate.

I just felt something run up my leg - and make a B line to my anus.

75 nigella  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:42:16pm

Look. I'm not rooting for Hillary in anyway, but Obama needed to be kept in this nomination fight for as long as possible. You can see what has happened because it has dragged on as long as it has. None of this stuff would have had a chance to come out. I'm sure the Clinton's have had a hand in the "leaks" about Wright,Ayres, etc.That being said it has been helpful to McCain. He is also not my favorite, but I will vote for him. I'm not sure who is more electable, Obama, or Hillary. If by some unfortunate turn of fate, Hillary gets the nod and beats McCain, I don't think she is as dangerous as the "messiah" BHO. Just my two cents worth.P.S, It made me gag just to say that about the Hildebeast.......

76 quickjustice  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:42:36pm

What, exactly, is a "dignified" exit? If she concedes defeat, will they hand her a plaque commending her valiant battle for the Democratic nomination? Or will they send flowers to her funeral? ;-)

77 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:42:48pm
78 sngnsgt  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:42:59pm

re: #63 Oh no...Sand People!

It depends on what 'is' is.

How about, Hillary Clinton 'is' NOT going to win the Democratic Nomination?

79 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:43:13pm

re: #74 David Simon

I just felt something run up my leg - and make a B line to my anus.

BWAAAHAAAHAAA!

80 opnion  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:43:20pm

re: #49 rollingdivision

At one time I thought Clinton would be the easier Democrat to beat. Now, after much hard work by Obama, he has changed (he loves change!) my mind and I think he is the weaker. Hopefully, Clinton will be dissed to the point she keeps up the fight and takes this to the convention.

A Clinton spokesman said that they would take it to the Credentials Committee in July and would not rule out a court challenge. This is beautiful

81 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:43:28pm
82 really grumpy big dog johnson  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:43:33pm

re: #66 opnion

I have to agree with the McCain comment, But he seems to really dislike Barry.
My guess is that McCain sees Obama as a less than loyal American. Whatever I think of him, he is a patriot.

Hillary's biggest mistake by far was assuming she'd have the nomination wrapped up by Super Tuesday. Her plan kerplopped when that didn't happen, and she had no troops on the ground to challenge the Obama surge. That one error alone may have cost her the election. But I won't count her out until I hear the vote that says Obama's the man. I can't understand a political party that would select an unelectable nominee, but then again, I haven't been a Demonrat for a long time.

83 sngnsgt  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:43:52pm

re: #68 JeremyR

Is that sticker on the front bumper, or the back one?

Yes.

84 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:44:07pm

re: #78 sngnsgt

How about, Hillary Clinton 'is' NOT going to win the Democratic Nomination?

Fair enough.

heh.

85 Yankee Division Son  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:44:38pm

Right now, a CNN "special investigation unit" report is on, "Obama's Fighting Spirit, How he knocks out the Competition"

86 Yankee Division Son  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:45:26pm

re: #85 Yankee Division Son

Must be a slow news day...

87 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:45:33pm

re: #85 Yankee Division Son

Right now, a CNN "special investigation unit" report is on, "Obama's Fighting Spirit, How he knocks out the Competition"

I so hate liberal MSM damage control. Haughty arrogant bastards.

88 acapesket123  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:45:36pm

Is this not fun?
When McQueeg is so painful,
it's fabulously fun to watch the Victims Rights Groups,
formerly known as the DNC go down to the dark side of the puddle.

89 ciaospirit  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:45:39pm

Arrogance. I hope he gets the rug pulled.

Mr Obama hinted at the plan last week. “One of my heroes is Abraham Lincoln,” he said. “Lincoln basically pulled in all the people who had been running against him into his cabinet because whatever personal feelings there were, the issue was 'how can we get this country through this time of crisis?’ And I think that has to be the approach that one takes.”

90 MrArchieBunker  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:46:17pm

re: #71 itellu3times

Now that you mention it, that might be HRC's bottom line bargaining position. She could occupy the Ruth Bader Ginsberg 'seat'. A seat on the Supreme Court would be much more prestigious that a mere cabinet post.

91 hermeneutics  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:46:18pm

re: #80 opnion

A court challenge? Incredible. Any Lizard Lawyers here know what claims they would make in court? I would think that a political party is immune from judicial interference ... but maybe not.

92 looking closely  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:46:19pm

Hilary is a seated Dem Senator in a reliably Dem state.

She ain't going anywhere, and considering this is probably her last "hurrah" in running for President for at least four and possibly eight years she has little to lose by dragging things out as long as possible.

93 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:46:27pm
94 Grammy Cracker  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:46:32pm

re: #72 winston06

Obama is like New Hamshire's Ned Lamont in 2006 elections

Pssst....Lamont is from Connecticut...

95 jaunte  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:46:42pm

re: #89 ciaospirit

Chicago rules? Everyone gets to wet their beak...

96 Dr. Shalit  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:46:44pm

I remember WELL the Hillary Rodham, Esq. of 1974. No Tears for Her, Argentina!

-S-

97 Grammy Cracker  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:47:11pm

WOOT! Red Wings win game 4....

Come on home, Stanley!

98 Sharmuta  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:47:16pm

re: #64 snowcrash

Hillary should fight to the end. She has been so dissed by the media and her party that a scorched earth policy doesn't seem out of the question.

We're talking about Hillary. Not only is scorched earth not out of the question, I'd say it's a sure thing.

99 NY Nana  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:47:55pm

re: #62 Yankee Division Son

And would anyone want to see Shrill be in charge of health care? Anyone?

His list of the losers he would appoint is laughable.

/Was Albore on it?

I am not worried about either a Hussein or a Shrillary presidency. Both are too dangerous to our country.

And I think a lot of Demonrats will stay home and pout on Election Day.

I do not expect a gracious exit by Shrill, remembering how she had to be practically pulled off from the front gate of the White House, kicking and screaming, on Inauguration Day, in 2001.

100 DesertSage  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:48:19pm

The stakes are too high, Hillary will not back down.

101 kynna  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:48:25pm

I think they are both awful and need to be beaten. I hate that McCain is my only choice, but I'll make it. I do NOT think there will only be 4 years of Obama. I DO think a significant, if not ruinous, amount of damage can be done to this country by a President Obama.

102 really grumpy big dog johnson  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:48:27pm

re: #89 ciaospirit

Arrogance. I hope he gets the rug pulled.

I bet that Obama thinks that Abe was the dem who freed the slaves. While in office, he was one of the most reviled and distrusted presidents ever. It was only through the long lens of history that we saw how truly great that log cabin lawyer really was.

103 jollypigeon  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:48:28pm

I think today was a big day for Hillary. I am not saying she is going to win, but she lives to fight another day. They negotiated to seat half the delegates and that raised the total number of delegates now needed to secure the nomination. Obama can't declare victory on Tuesday. Anybody want to bet that unaffiliated (wink, wink) democrats in both states are now going to litigate for the remaining half? She now can argue that she won the popular vote. Why would she quit now? What superdelegates wants to be known as the person that killed her campaign? And lo and behold, the Pastor issue is back. Who knows how much more Obama is going to to get dusted up betweeen now and the convention. Two plus months is an eternity in politics-she can't quit.

104 yesandno  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:48:41pm

That picture of Hillary with Bill and Chelsea....having a laugh between themselves.

This is the most "intimate" portrait I have seen of them....they share something that no one outside that little coterie knows at that point in time. It is a very humanizing picture, and certainly not one of defeat.

I hope she loses, but I hope BHO doesn't win. She would be bad for the country. Hell, McCain won't be actually good. But B. Hussein will bring about the end of the country as we know it. This isn't just the usual bad mouthing of the opposition.

This is the Manchurian candidate. Fear is a realistic reaction.

105 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:49:02pm

re: #91 hermeneutics

A court challenge? Incredible. Any Lizard Lawyers here know what claims they would make in court? I would think that a political party is immune from judicial interference ... but maybe not.

Equal protection clause.

106 Gozer the Carpathian  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:49:09pm

Bah.. like she'll quit now. If she didn't quit when he was riding high she's not going to quit now. Especially after this "Half Vote" BS from the rules comittee.

107 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:49:09pm

re: #89 ciaospirit

Mr Obama hinted at the plan last week. “One of my heroes is Abraham Lincoln,” he said. “Lincoln basically pulled in all the people who had been running against him into his cabinet because whatever personal feelings there were, the issue was 'how can we get this country through this time of crisis?’ And I think that has to be the approach that one takes.”

Arrogance. I hope he gets the rug pulled.

Lets see:

1. Tom Tancredo: Secretary of Defense
2. Fred Thompson: Secretary of State

I am sure there are many other vital positions that would be worth having Romney, Rudy, and (California's Presidential candidates name eludes me) them on.

108 hermeneutics  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:49:24pm

re: #92 looking closely

Agreed. She has NOTHING to gain by taking a cabinet position or by giving up early. The only cred she'll get is that of being a Democratic loyalist ... a party trooper. She's already squandered that so why bother.

If she delays, Obama could implode. This is truly likely. Its a question of timing -- before or after the convention. If after the convention, she can smugly said, "I told you so" and return to her NY senate seat.

Nice gig. She wins.

109 Sharmuta  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:49:26pm
Backed into a corner, Mrs Clinton responded with increasingly outlandish claims about her qualifications, including a ludicrous statement that she had braved sniper fire on a trip to Bosnia.

Yeah- well she have claimed her uncle liberated Auschwitz....

110 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:49:54pm

I'm not sure how this will go but I don't think it's over. The decision today was arbitrary and weird; to just seat delegates with 1/2 votes. I don't think Clinton supporters would be appeased because because not all votes are counted equally. I also suspect that Hillary still smells blood in the water. Obama in prone to gaffes and is slow to react to controversies (like his church) which makes him very vulnerable. If I were to guess I'd bet Hillary will stick it out and take it to the convention.

111 opnion  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:50:09pm

re: #91 hermeneutics

A court challenge? Incredible. Any Lizard Lawyers here know what claims they would make in court? I would think that a political party is immune from judicial interference ... but maybe not.

I would love to know the theory for the action too,
My guess is that if they do go to court, the cause of action would be a voting rights violation wrapped around a denial of civil rights,

112 gymnast  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:51:13pm

Hillary is just going to sit herself on a shelf and wait for the moment when Obama alive looks deader than Robert Kennedy. She will then suddenly reappear as the "viable alternative" about Labor Day or so. She won't get elected but will preserve the Copperhead core of the party for purposes of the house and senate election. My 2 cents worth for free!

113 nigella  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:51:34pm

Ciaspirit, zeez... What the hell are spoiled Americans going to do with a real "crisis"?Sorry if the cost of gas is 4.00 a gallon so you may have to cut out one or two of your lattes a week. Or 3% of new home buyers bought more house than they can afford so the can't make their payments. Or Their favorite American idol lost. A criss this is not! Now vote in Mr. Hope and Change ant then we can talk crisis. Sorry if I offended any of you lizards who really are in trouble....

114 snowcrash  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:51:39pm

re: #98 Sharmuta
She has proven she can play rough with the boys. I won't vote for her for ideological reasons but I have gained a new respect for her tenacity and ability to play the game. She is blazing the path for other women.

115 Grammy Cracker  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:51:39pm

re: #107 Oh no...Sand People!

Lets see:

1. Tom Tancredo: Secretary of Defense
2. Fred Thompson: Secretary of State

I am sure there are many other vital positions that would be worth having Romney, Rudy, and (California's Presidential candidates name eludes me) them on.

That's Duncan Hunter....great guy.

116 DesertSage  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:51:40pm

1/2 votes for those in FL and MI.
All Democrats are equal, it's just that some Democrats are more equal than others.

117 blue_like_jazz  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:51:41pm

i read the article and, truth be told, it made me kind of sick.

not because i'm in any way a hillary supporter, but the manipulative and condescending spirit behind their "kind offer" is almost suffocating in its arrogance.

"there, there, hillary... just lay down for the good of the party. we'll give you an inconsequential spot in the new administration and even pay off your debt, you poor thing."


//barf


may he choke on his hubris.

118 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:52:00pm
119 ccrnyc  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:52:05pm

Hill should never quit.

120 MrArchieBunker  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:52:23pm

Clinton Supporter Thrown Out of Rules Committee Meeting:

Oh man, its breaking down...

121 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:52:45pm

re: #97 Grammy Cracker

WOOT! Red Wings win game 4....

Come on home, Stanley!

Great game! Osgood got lucky during the last 30 second Penguins rush. Pittsburgh had a lot of shots from inside 20 feet, but they kept hitting Rde Wings before getting to Osgood.

122 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:52:51pm

re: #117 blue_like_jazz

i read the article and, truth be told, it made me kind of sick.

not because i'm in any way a hillary supporter, but the manipulative and condescending spirit behind their "kind offer" is almost suffocating in its arrogance.

"there, there, hillary... just lay down for the good of the party. we'll give you an inconsequential spot in the new administration and even pay off your debt, you poor thing."


//barf


may he choke on his hubris waffle.

/fixed.

123 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:53:37pm

re: #103 jollypigeon

I think today was a big day for Hillary. I am not saying she is going to win, but she lives to fight another day. They negotiated to seat half the delegates and that raised the total number of delegates now needed to secure the nomination. Obama can't declare victory on Tuesday. Anybody want to bet that unaffiliated (wink, wink) democrats in both states are now going to litigate for the remaining half? She now can argue that she won the popular vote. Why would she quit now? What superdelegates wants to be known as the person that killed her campaign? And lo and behold, the Pastor issue is back. Who knows how much more Obama is going to to get dusted up betweeen now and the convention. Two plus months is an eternity in politics-she can't quit.

Very true. Run, Hills, run! The longer she stays in, the better our chances are. If she goes kicking and screaming, it should leave the Dems too fractured to win.

124 pat  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:53:42pm

re: #66 opnion

Hmmm. I think we shall see. An interesting observation. I hope you are right.
re: #69 ciaospirit

Mis use of words there. Obama is enormously likable from the perspective of the rooting section. Black underdog, educated, articulate, and apparently personally a nice guy. All Americans can root for a guy like that. But this man harbors demons. And in addition to belonging to a racist voodoo cult/church, he is simply ignorant about virtually everything. I mean this guy knows nothing. An International Relations major that knows nothing about the subject, a lawyer that never practiced law. A 'community activist".An empty suit.

125 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:53:44pm

re: #115 Grammy Cracker

I knew it started with a 'D'. Thanks Grammy.

126 nigella  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:53:52pm

pimf "crisis. Sorry, but I am tired of this whole wah wah mentality.

127 acapesket123  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:53:58pm

She's the new "IT" girl! Operation Chaos.

128 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:54:16pm

re: #118 ploome hineni


..watching Obama on tv, delivering speeches, responding to questions in interviews

is he smart enough to maneuver this?


I don;t like McCain at all but he can answer questions because he speaks from the heart. Even though I think he stinks I gotta respect the fact that he doesn't have to yammer Um's and ah's searching for the correctly worded lie.

129 Grammy Cracker  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:54:28pm

re: #116 DesertSage

1/2 votes for those in FL and MI.
All Democrats are equal, it's just that some Democrats are more equal than others.

I wish all Democrat votes in Michigan - always - were counted at one half! Maybe we would have a decent Governor...

130 joecitizen  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:54:54pm

re: #97 Grammy Cracker

WOOT! Red Wings win game 4....

Come on home, Stanley!

Grammy,yer breakin' my heart..

131 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:54:59pm
132 hermeneutics  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:55:21pm

re: #102 really grumpy big dog johnson

It was only through the long lens of history that we saw how truly great that log cabin lawyer really was.

Nice phrase ... the long lens of history. Can I use it?

133 Grammy Cracker  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:55:53pm

re: #130 joecitizen

Grammy,yer breakin' my heart..

Oh, so sorry!

/

134 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:56:09pm
135 blue_like_jazz  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:56:49pm

re: #122 Oh no...Sand People!

bwahahaha! i like it!

//a waffle covered in heinz 57 sauce

136 pat  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:56:58pm

Read Hill was $11M in the hole. If she has a 100 Gs left in the account, cattle futures should cover that in a month. I hear the Saudis are big on cattle shipments.

137 CIA Reject  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:57:04pm

re: #71 itellu3times

Associate Supreme Court Justice Hillary R. Clinton

DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING!

We have a WINNAH!

/Power for the rest of her life without having to pander to all those rubes every six years!

138 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:57:27pm

re: #107 Oh no...Sand People!

Lets see:

1. Tom Tancredo: Secretary of Defense
2. Fred Thompson: Secretary of State

I am sure there are many other vital positions that would be worth having Romney, Rudy, and (California's Presidential candidates name eludes me) them on.

You best pray to God that McCain wins.

/because the alternative cabinet is really scary

139 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:57:32pm

One person, one half vote? I don't think so. Pantsuit going to court. Whining in the forecast.

140 OldLineTexan  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:57:49pm

re: #128 Killgore Trout

I don;t like McCain at all but he can answer questions because he speaks from the heart. Even though I think he stinks I gotta respect the fact that he doesn't have to yammer Um's and ah's searching for the correctly worded lie.

McCain is an experienced politician AND led a life "before".

Obama is neither, and Hill has never been anything but a politician.

141 gymnast  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:58:05pm

re: #116 DesertSage

1/2 votes for those in FL and MI.
All Democrats are equal, it's just that some Democrats are more equal than others.

Being worth half a human being is better than being worth only 2/5s. The party of Jefferson and Jackson long ago figured out how to count slaves so as to put a greater number of Democrats in Congress. You would have thought they would have learned the lessons of history.

142 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:58:22pm

re: #134 ploome hineni

I'm still not sure what I'm doing in the fall. I might be in a state that doesn't matter anyways, in which case I'll just stay home.

143 OldLineTexan  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:59:00pm

re: #134 ploome hineni

it is irrelevant if you or anyone likes McCain, and at this time, itis counterproductive to keep repeating McCain is a poor choice

McCain is the ONLY choice, so we better start looking for the pony, under that pile

Heh.

Looking for the pony under the pile

Rotating title nomination (do any of these ever get used?)

144 opnion  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:59:36pm

re: #124 pat

Hmmm. I think we shall see. An interesting observation. I hope you are right.
re: #69 ciaospirit

Mis use of words there. Obama is enormously likable from the perspective of the rooting section. Black underdog, educated, articulate, and apparently personally a nice guy. All Americans can root for a guy like that. But this man harbors demons. And in addition to belonging to a racist voodoo cult/church, he is simply ignorant about virtually everything. I mean this guy knows nothing. An International Relations major that knows nothing about the subject, a lawyer that never practiced law. A 'community activist".An empty suit.

I do not recall a less qualified individual getting this far. Editor of Law Review at Harvard is not what it used to be.

145 AZfederalist  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:59:49pm

Can't imagine how or why Hitlery would exit now, not after BHO's brilliant and eloquent speech today. Now is the time for her to go for the jugular.

146 hermeneutics  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:59:56pm

re: #105 Bob in Breckenridge

So the argument would be that residents in different states were treated unequally?

147 ContraJihadi  Sat, May 31, 2008 7:59:57pm

re: #6 NJDhockeyfan

Will she stay on a binge till then?

That image is likely to become one of the biggest icons of the year.

The Hildabeast, for all her self-aggrandizement, is a cunning serpent, on the order of Catherine de Medici. She may swizzle with the best of the Suki Tawdries, but she'll read the tea leaves and then slither into the most adventageous situation she can get. But, oh, what poison do her fangs hold swelling in reserve!

148 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:00:04pm

re: #138 Killian Bundy

You best pray to God that McCain wins.

/because the alternative cabinet is really scary

Holy Mother of Moses...

We are so boned.

149 pat  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:00:17pm

McCain did have a life. He was a military man that went to pension status. But he is a fool when he discusses private business. He seems to get his economics from big ag and Tyson Foods. Scary people.

150 Grammy Cracker  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:00:23pm

re: #143 OldLineTexan

Heh.

Looking for the pony under the pile

Rotating title nomination (do any of these ever get used?)

I recommended it to the Big Lizard. It's in his hands (claws? paws? feet?) now.....

151 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:00:41pm

re: #146 hermeneutics

So the argument would be that residents in different states were treated unequally?

Florida and Michigan.

152 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:00:47pm
153 joecitizen  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:00:49pm

re: #142 Killgore Trout

I'm still not sure what I'm doing in the fall. I might be in a state that doesn't matter anyways, in which case I'll just stay home.


local elections,pal,congress,senate,FRICKIN' SCHOOL BOARD..they all count and it all matters...

154 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:00:50pm
155 Genosaurer  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:01:36pm

"Another Democrat who has discussed strategy with friends in the Obama inner circle said that Mr Obama was openly considering asking Mrs Clinton to join his cabinet, alongside two other former presidential rivals: John Edwards, who is seen as a likely attorney general; and Joe Biden, who is a leading contender to become Secretary of State."

I can see Biden being the William Jennings Bryan to Obama's Woodrow Wilson.

156 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:02:25pm

re: #134 ploome hineni

McCain is the ONLY choice, so we better start looking for the pony, under that pile

The choice is between a jackass and a gluehorse. Americans should hang their heads in shame at the choices they have for Commander in Chief.

157 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:02:31pm
158 Sharmuta  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:02:33pm

re: #114 snowcrash

I've come to admire her fighting spirit a bit myself. I've also come to feel a bit sorry for her. obama might be tossing all his people under the bus, but the msm and the dnc started it by tossing hill under the bus months ago.

159 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:02:52pm
160 pat  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:03:17pm

re: #144 opnion

I do not recall a less qualified individual getting this far. Editor of Law Review at Harvard is not what it used to be.

You spoke to truth there. This man has diminished the status of every Law review in the Nation. To say that it was a difficult attainment is an understatement. Editors are still as rare as the golden egg. Members have major bragging rights. I don't get it!

161 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:03:19pm

re: #146 hermeneutics

So the argument would be that residents in different states were treated unequally?

But I'd rather have some "private citizens" file suit saying their 14th amendment rights were violated, rather than Hillary's campaign, but I'm certain that's what would happen.

162 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:03:21pm

re: #132 hermeneutics

Nice phrase ... the long lens of history. Can I use it?

It's not my own, feel free to use whenever you want.

163 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:04:15pm

re: #156 Kreuzueber Halbmond

The choice is between a jackass and a gluehorse. Americans should hang their heads in shame at the choices they have for Commander in Chief.

Gluehorse.

Too funny. Today has been a good day for laughs...and a sad day as to why we have these laughs.

164 Watookal  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:05:54pm

This is great - Wright gone - Church gone - Hillary Gone.
O-blah-blah has no way of beating McCain.
Stand clear folks - Implosion about to be set of!

165 wolfie  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:05:58pm

re: #120 MrArchieBunker

Clinton Supporter Thrown Out of Rules Committee Meeting: [Link: www.youtube.com...] Oh man, its breaking down...

That is one cranky Democrat!
May there be millions more like her!

166 Sharmuta  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:06:14pm

re: #161 Bob in Breckenridge

But I'd rather have some "private citizens" file suit saying their 14th amendment rights were violated, rather than Hillary's campaign, but I'm certain that's what would happen.

And I hope they do! What's to stop the party from doing this again in the future? What the hell is the point of a primary (or caucus) if the party's going to ignore the results? Why have a convention? Just let the party heads pick the candidate if this is how it's going to be.

167 hermeneutics  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:06:27pm

re: #141 gymnast

But slaves were 3/5 a person and Democrats in Michigan and Florida are only 2.5/5 a person.

168 DesertSage  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:06:29pm

McCain - He spent 5 years as a prisoner of war. He also served honorably as a Naval Officer and a pilot.

Obama - His great uncle liberated Auschwitz (so he says) then spent six months in the attic.


This is a no brainer people. Even if you have problems with McCain, look at the stark differences. Vote!

169 tokyobk  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:06:39pm

Obama should hold his friends close, enemies closer, and the Clintons closest.

170 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:06:40pm

re: #165 wolfie

That is one cranky Democrat!
May there be millions more like her!

There are.

171 opnion  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:06:47pm

Good night Lizards, Be of good cheer, The Democrats have had one heinous day,

172 hermeneutics  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:07:13pm

re: #160 pat

Affirmative Action.

173 nigella  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:07:23pm

My apology's to all you Lizards tonight about my spelling. I had two of my Grandkids all day today and I'm worn out!

174 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:08:30pm

re: #165 wolfie

That is one cranky Democrat!
May there be millions more like her!

Unfortunately, NOW's membership is down to about 200,000 raving lunatics.

175 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:09:10pm
176 tokyobk  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:09:50pm

re: #134 ploome hineni

it is irrelevant if you or anyone likes McCain, and at this time, itis counterproductive to keep repeating McCain is a poor choice

McCain is the ONLY choice, so we better start looking for the pony, under that pile


I agree with this. I find Obama more likable in some ways than McCain but only McCain is presidential and Obama will most likely throw Israel under the bus in his first 90 days.

But it is not going to be easy for McCain to beat Obama, as I have said here to the point of being offered a troll merit bage.

177 NY Nana  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:10:12pm

re: #109 Sharmuta

Yeah- well she have claimed her uncle liberated Auschwitz....

How about Shrillary claiming Jewish roots? This was offensive, in 1999, and still is.

In New York, where one of every eight voters is Jewish, it certainly won't hurt that First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton can note the Jewish branch on her family tree.

Mrs. Clinton, who is Methodist, "has very fond childhood memories" of the second husband of her grandmother, Max Rosenberg, a Russian-born Jew, said Howard Wolfson, a spokesman for the first lady's Senate exploratory committee.

Wolfson said Thursday that he doesn't "expect it will have an electoral impact, and we don't see it in that context."

Mrs. Clinton's maternal grandmother, Della, married Rosenberg in 1933, seven years after she and Mrs. Clinton's grandfather, Edwin Howell, divorced, according to a weekly Jewish newspaper, The Forward.

They had filed a petition for Max to adopt Della's children, including Mrs. Clinton's mother, Dorothy, but the attempt failed. Max Rosenberg died in Los Angeles in 1984.

Mrs. Clinton angered potential Jewish voters last year by voicing support for a Palestinian state, but has recently told Jewish leaders she considers Jerusalem "the eternal and indivisible capital" of Israel.

She has also said she favors moving the U.S. Embassy for Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. The United States has never recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capital.

And this photo will never leave my mind, nor the circumstances.

/Shrill has Jewish roots like Hussein does.

A grandmother who's second husband is a Jew has absolutely nothing to do with her, and does not confer a grain of Jewishness.

Shrill, like Bubba, is a Jew hater...read this Tammy Bruce column...

178 Sharmuta  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:10:28pm

You Fool! You fell victim for one of the classic blunders. The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well known is this- never go in against a Sicilian Clinton when death the White House is on the line!

179 Naso Tang  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:10:33pm

re: #164 Watookal

This is great - Wright gone - Church gone - Hillary Gone.
O-blah-blah has no way of beating McCain.
Stand clear folks - Implosion about to be set of!

Obama is McCain's guarantee to win. Hillary would have stood a chance. Sad.

180 wolfie  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:11:45pm

re: #174 Bob in Breckenridge

Unfortunately, NOW's membership is down to about 200,000 raving lunatics.

Can you believe you actually wrote "unfortunately" ?!
We're rooting for NOW and the Hildebeast!
This is getting downright surreal! :O

181 hermeneutics  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:12:11pm

re: #176 tokyobk

I agree with you, Tokyo. I think McCain is a lousy campaigner during a lousy time in history -- he's got to swim upstream to win.

Obama had a really bad day, however. At least some Americans were persuaded to vote against him today. And Hill's supporters have been slapped by their party. Who knows what they'll do next November.

So its looking up. A wee bit.

182 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:12:38pm

Rev. Pfleger: 'They want to kill me...it's been ugly'

The Rev. Michael Pfleger, who helped reignite Barack Obama's pastor problems by mocking Hillary Clinton, said this evening he's received "thousands of hate threats" since his videotaped pulpit rant.

"They want to kill me," Pfleger told parishioners during a service in a St. Sabina Church chapel on Chicago's South Side this evening. "It's been very ugly."

/and that's just the Clintons

183 OldLineTexan  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:12:43pm

re: #180 wolfie

Can you believe you actually wrote "unfortunately" ?!
We're rooting for NOW and the Hildebeast!
This is getting downright surreal! :O

NOW's bus has waaaaay more women under it than Obama's.

184 CIA Reject  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:12:44pm

re: #180 wolfie

Can you believe you actually wrote "unfortunately" ?!
We're rooting for NOW and the Hildebeast!
This is getting downright surreal! :O

Politics does, indeed, make strange bedfellows!

185 DesertSage  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:12:48pm

re: #176 tokyobk

But it is not going to be easy for McCain to beat Obama, as I have said here to the point of being offered a troll merit bage.

It's getting easier every day. The more Obama talks, the less he looks presidential.
By November, I predict a 57 state landslide for McCain

186 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:13:16pm
187 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:13:27pm

It ain't over till the fat lady sings.
So when is Hillary's aria scheduled?

Too bad it will also be a requiem for the Democratic Party.
Maybe as the Dems turn into the People's Democratic Popular Party (like all the communist states are named), we'll get a center-left party, something that is an honorable and real opposition to the Republicans.

Who knows, McCain and Lieberman might found it.

Even if I prefer the Republicans, I still think they need competition for the US to be proper democracy; a one-party system is the mark of a dictatorship, not a democracy. But here, it is the Democratic party that is self-destructing; it is't being destroyed by a dictator, no matter how much they think Bush is one.

188 OldLineTexan  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:14:15pm

re: #182 Killian Bundy

Rev. Pfleger: 'They want to kill me...it's been ugly'


/and that's just the Clintons

Pfleger is the most disgusting thing I have ever seen on TV, and I lived through eight years of Bill Clinton as a gun-owner.

189 DoubleU  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:14:43pm

If only Hillary had a blimp, that would build her momentum.

190 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:14:55pm

When the libs destroy each other to oblivion this will be my music of choice:

Today- Smashing Pumpkins

191 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:15:03pm

re: #183 OldLineTexan

NOW's bus has waaaaay more women under it than Obama's.

My wife learned to hate feminists when she was in grad school and had no support from them because she had a child.
Now, she's a defense lawyer.

192 Grammy Cracker  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:15:21pm

re: #177 NY Nana

And this photo will never leave my mind, nor the circumstances.

/Shrill has Jewish roots like Hussein does.

A grandmother who's second husband is a Jew has absolutely nothing to do with her, and does not confer a grain of Jewishness.

Shrill, like Bubba, is a Jew hater...read this Tammy Bruce column...

I really dig matzo ball soup....does this mean I could be Jewish?

/LOL

193 OldLineTexan  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:15:22pm

re: #189 DoubleU

If only Hillary had a blimp, that would build her momentum.

Bill has slimmed down quite a bit...

194 Naso Tang  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:15:27pm

PS. I didn't mean sad that Hillary isn't the choice. ;)

195 tokyobk  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:16:02pm

re: #181 hermeneutics

I agree with you, Tokyo. I think McCain is a lousy campaigner during a lousy time in history -- he's got to swim upstream to win.

Obama had a really bad day, however. At least some Americans were persuaded to vote against him today. And Hill's supporters have been slapped by their party. Who knows what they'll do next November.

So its looking up. A wee bit.


This is all a reall popcorn popper!

I almost think that McCain could fall into the trap that Hillary did and also that failed dems like Dukakis did, meaning in their minds being so obviously the better chance that they do not come in swinging and take the fight to the candidate.

Obama defined the democratic race. He made Hillary play catch-up to him. When he was done with her he just stopped talking about here. He has been making sweet love to the MSM the whole primary and that is only starting. Plus, he is about to lose the race think entirely and beome a maistream immigrant American with a suntan.

196 wolfie  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:16:03pm

re: #176 tokyobk

I agree it will be hard for McCain.

For one thing, elections are won in the fuzzy middle, where the MSM stills holds sway. This gives any Democrat a huge advantage.

197 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:16:40pm

re: #166 Sharmuta

And I hope they do! What's to stop the party from doing this again in the future? What the hell is the point of a primary (or caucus) if the party's going to ignore the results? Why have a convention? Just let the party heads pick the candidate if this is how it's going to be.

If I was a lib...Well actually, if I was a lib I'd off myself, but I digress-

Anyway, I'd sue to have the "super delegates" declared unconstitutional, again for a 14th amendment violation. If those few deemed to be "more important" can negate the votes of the the regular voters, I'd think that would be another equal protection case.

198 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:16:40pm

Well, night all.

199 tokyobk  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:16:53pm

re: #185 DesertSage

It's getting easier every day. The more Obama talks, the less he looks presidential.
By November, I predict a 57 state landslide for McCain

McCain has to convince people that Obama is a Cater in Kennedy clothing. If he can do that, he will win, imo.

200 Sharmuta  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:16:53pm

re: #177 NY Nana

Hi, Nana! Don't get me wrong- I'm about as anti-clinton as a person can be. I was just trying to point out that the article mentions hillary's big gaffe, but there wasn't a single mention of ANY of obama's. As stupid as it was for her to mention the Bosnia thing, obama's Auschwitz lie was much more vile- true pandering, and I found it utterly disgusting on his part.

But like the American msm, the UK press is shilling for obama. Why- I have no idea- who are they trying to sway over there? This is an American election.

201 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:17:18pm

re: #182 Killian Bundy

Heh.

202 hermeneutics  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:18:04pm

re: #191 Kosh's Shadow

Gosh, your wife's story is so familiar, Kosh. I was brutalized by feminists in grad school because I was married, had reproduced and was a helluva lot better looking than any of those saggy-breasted wonders. Those were unforgiveable sins, I guess.

Bad days. I hardly can stand recalling them ... even now.

203 nigella  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:19:03pm

Killian Bundy, I am getting so Damn mad at these Liberals always acting the victim when they are the offender. I'm sure fathe Pfleger gets plenty "death" threats normally after all the foul things he has said for years. Whine, whine, whine. I'm a poor victim.....I guess even the good Father should remember this Bible verse,"You shall reap what you shall sow."

204 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:19:05pm
205 NY Nana  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:19:23pm

re: #185 DesertSage

It's getting easier every day. The more Obama talks, the less he looks presidential.
By November, I predict a 57 state landslide for McCain

That is one of the reasons that I ♥ you, Sage!

206 jamgarr  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:19:24pm

re: #178 Sharmuta

You Fool! You fell victim for one of the classic blunders. The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well known is this- never go in against a Sicilian Clinton when death the White House is on the line!


Hill's only mostly toast.

207 PSGInfinity  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:19:43pm

re: #68 JeremyR

Is that sticker on the front bumper, or the back one?

CoTT!
(Comment of The Thread)

208 Opilio  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:19:57pm

re: #72 winston06

Obama is like New Hamshire's Ned Lamont in 2006 elections

Connecticut, maybe?

209 hermeneutics  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:20:32pm

re: #195 tokyobk

How can he lose the race thing entirely when he built his whole campaign upon it? Poignant memories do persist and most Americans have an impression of him as someone who has built his campaign upon racist/racialist rhetoric.

210 ContraJihadi  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:21:01pm

re: #176 tokyobk

I don't think anybody here at LGF would offer you "a troll merit badge" for pointing out how difficult (and perhaps even impossible) it might be for McCain to beat Obama. I wouldn't go so far as to say that anybody thinks you are being trollish at all. What we do question--and not just out of groupthink and partisan inertia--is the thesis, which you seem to uphold, that there is anything superlative or admirable about Obama at all.

When I first saw him on C-SPAN about two years ago, asking questions on a Senate committee, I formed the opinion that he was thoughtful, deferential, and articulate. I never agreed with his politics, but I thought he had a mind. If he had served out a full term in the senate and got some experience and maturity, he mght have become an admirable partisan foe. But he has overreached himself and far too soon, so I must question his judgment. His many gaffes and silly pronouncements only confirm my opinion that he is, basically, a child who deludes himself into thinking that he can fill the role of an adult. And I suspect that it is the worst of men who are bolstering him in this conceit.

211 MandyManners  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:21:04pm

Very smart of him to do this on a Saturday.

212 Yankee Division Son  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:21:14pm

C-Span is re-running the DNC rules commitee hearings from earlier today if ya missed it..

213 Honorary Yooper  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:22:35pm

re: #200 Sharmuta

Well, the UK press has been just as against the Iraq war as the US press. It should be no suprise that they shill for Obama who is willing to set a timetable. Now, why they should be concerned about a US election is silly, considering they have zero control over it.

/BTW, I'm in the Lounge.

214 NY Nana  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:22:37pm

re: #192 Grammy Cracker

I really dig matzo ball soup....does this mean I could be Jewish?

/LOL

It's a start! ;) But could you spell and explain the last word in a national spelling bee?

215 looking closely  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:23:50pm

re: #108 hermeneutics

Agreed. She has NOTHING to gain by taking a cabinet position or by giving up early. The only cred she'll get is that of being a Democratic loyalist ... a party trooper. She's already squandered that so why bother.

If she delays, Obama could implode. This is truly likely. Its a question of timing -- before or after the convention. If after the convention, she can smugly said, "I told you so" and return to her NY senate seat.

Nice gig. She wins.


She still has her mounting campaign debt to consider, and that alone is a good reason for her not to drop out even if she believes her situation to be hopeless.

Why would she want to take a cabinet position under an Obama administration, when she is a shoe-in for re-election in her NY Senate seat pretty much indefinitely?

Apart from Senator most likely being the more desirable position for her, there is no guarantee that Obama will win the election.

Assuming he did, AND he kept a promise to her to appoint her to the Cabinet (which wouldn't be guaranteed either), she'd only be assured 4 years in the cabinet (at Obama's pleasure).

Perhaps she could get 8 years *IF* Obama were to win re-election, but I doubt she would want that since she'd probably feel stifled there and probably couldn't win elected office again afterwards.

I shudder to think of her as a US Supreme Court nominee, but I think she wouldn't get that nomination.

216 DesertSage  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:24:09pm

re: #211 MandyManners

Very smart of him to do this on a Saturday.

Yeah, why would he pick the sabbath to do this?

217 profitsbeard  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:24:11pm

I'll bet she's in church tomorrow.

And Obama isn't.

There's a greater meaning in that than Barry knows.

But Hillary sure does.

Keep fighting, gal!

Obama's sinking like a paper hat boat in a top tank toilet.

218 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:24:16pm
219 Honorary Yooper  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:24:33pm

re: #208 Opilio

Connecticut, whatever. Remember, ZERO FOR TWENTY MARKOS supports Obama.

/What'll that be, Markos, 0 for 21 then?

220 formercorpsman  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:24:38pm

re: #177 NY Nana

The only problem Nana, is that message was directly for the Jewish voters in her state.

They bought it, IIRC, she had a pretty good turnout for this block when she was elected as Senator.

221 Grammy Cracker  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:25:19pm

re: #214 NY Nana

It's a start! ;) But could you spell and explain the last word in a national spelling bee?

I used to compete in spelling bees 'back in the day'. Now, I'm usually lucky if I remember how to spell bee....LOL

222 Inquisitive  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:25:25pm

re: #134 ploome hineni

it is irrelevant if you or anyone likes McCain, and at this time, itis counterproductive to keep repeating McCain is a poor choice

McCain is the ONLY choice, so we better start looking for the pony, under that pile


I agree with what you have said and I think everyone should think about this really hard. We need to stop throwing jabs out there and get behind him full heartedly. We need to be building him up and constantly pointing out his best points of being the next POTUS. We need to try our best to turn other voters his way. We need to remember there is lots of people out there still undecided at this point at time and that could possibly reading these post.
I will be voting for McCain because I know he would be the best for our country, not just because I don't think or want Obama or Clinton.
Sorry to anyone I may have offended or if I have stepped over the line, and I really did not like the glue horse statement.

223 Catttt  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:25:51pm

re: #188 OldLineTexan

Pfleger is the most disgusting thing I have ever seen on TV, and I lived through eight years of Bill Clinton as a gun-owner.

I just hope Father Pf keeps his dirty mouth shut from now on. That vid is the worst thing I've seen in eons. Hope springs eternal. However, I'm not going to forget that he is a buddy of Senator O, who earmarked a chunk of change to him (while an Ill. rep).

224 tokyobk  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:26:02pm

re: #209 hermeneutics

How can he lose the race thing entirely when he built his whole campaign upon it? Poignant memories do persist and most Americans have an impression of him as someone who has built his campaign upon racist/racialist rhetoric.

He will try to move into a position of highlighting his uber-american experience of being the child of immigrants and also mid-western. Watch for a major speech praiding his wonderful white family and his solid American roots.

He built his "I will be the first black president one day so help me get elected to the Senate" campaign and his primary campaign on race, in part. But this is the general and the American voting public has a short memory, which all politicians exploit.

225 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:26:31pm
226 MandyManners  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:26:45pm

re: #216 DesertSage

Yeah, why would he pick the sabbath to do this?

People are out of the house, on the lake, at the cottage, shopping, grilling, et cet.. They're less likely to pay attention to the news.

227 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:27:05pm

re: #202 hermeneutics

Gosh, your wife's story is so familiar, Kosh. I was brutalized by feminists in grad school because I was married, had reproduced and was a helluva lot better looking than any of those saggy-breasted wonders. Those were unforgiveable sins, I guess.

Bad days. I hardly can stand recalling them ... even now.

My wife later went into law, and found law school and the legal profession a lot better. Although she is in private practice, not a firm.
Chemistry's loss is law's gain, in this case.

228 Roger  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:27:16pm

McCain will drive all the hated/despised conservatives to stay home in November. McCain isn't even started yet. The staying home trend is far from over.

229 DesertSage  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:27:26pm

re: #218 song_and_dance_man

Thou mammering boil-brained scut!

Who Knew? There more songs available to B. Hussein' scampaign

Ha!

How 'bout this one?

230 looking closely  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:27:37pm

Repeat after me, if Obama is elected, the USA is guaranteed:

1. Significantly higher taxes, and
2. Multiple liberal/activist Supreme Court justices (that's 20+ years of damage).

Other likely (but not certain) outcomes include:
1. Socialized medicine (which would be effectively irreversible).
2. Premature withdrawal and subsequent disgrace in Iraq.
3. A nuclear-armed Iran (and/or North Korea).

231 republic  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:27:43pm

re: #182 Killian Bundy

Rev. Pfleger: 'They want to kill me...it's been ugly'


/and that's just the Clintons

Ah, the vermin maybe is getting a little taste of what comes around goes around, after he and jesse jackson called on a group last year to snuff out a local gunshop owner.

I must say, I wouldn't defend the man.

232 itellu3times  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:27:43pm

re: #137 CIA Reject

DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING!

We have a WINNAH!

/Power for the rest of her life without having to pander to all those rubes every six years!

You likee that, how about, in the next chair over, Associate Supreme Court Justice William Jefferson Clinton, plus whoever is under his robe.

233 CIA Reject  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:27:56pm

re: #203 nigella

Killian Bundy, I am getting so Damn mad at these Liberals always acting the victim when they are the offender. I'm sure fathe Pfleger gets plenty "death" threats normally after all the foul things he has said for years. Whine, whine, whine. I'm a poor victim.....I guess even the good Father should remember this Bible verse,"You shall reap what you shall sow."

Given the crapola that he seems to spout on a regular basis perhaps Pfleger would do better to remember a different verse:

"And whosoever shall scandalize one of these little ones that believe in me; it were better for him that a millstone were hanged around his neck, and he were cast into the sea."

/How long can you hold your breath "foddah" ?

234 mikeinmd  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:27:58pm

No Sunday School tomorrow for the kids.
No more bake sales for Michelle.
No more softball games for Obama to hit a "touchdown".
No more 12 commandments.
No more G-D America.

Mighty Obama opted out.

235 MandyManners  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:28:44pm

re: #224 tokyobk

He will try to move into a position of highlighting his uber-american experience of being the child of immigrants and also mid-western. Watch for a major speech praiding his wonderful white family and his solid American roots.

He built his "I will be the first black president one day so help me get elected to the Senate" campaign and his primary campaign on race, in part. But this is the general and the American voting public has a short memory, which all politicians exploit.

He's thrown his white granny under the bus, calling her a racist.

236 nigella  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:29:18pm

CIA reject, I like that one better!

237 hermeneutics  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:29:35pm

It will be fun to watch the polling data in the next week to see if it shows an Obama decline.

Rasmussen has a daily report that shows McCain up by three in a head-to-head against Obama (46 to 43). Perhaps Obama's numbers will sink next week to below 40 percent.

Gallup polls daily too. The last I checked McCain was one percentage point below Obama (statistically insignificant.) I'd like to see McCain open up a three or four percent lead.

238 tokyobk  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:29:40pm

re: #210 ContraJihadi

I don't think anybody here at LGF would offer you "a troll merit badge" for pointing out how difficult (and perhaps even impossible) it might be for McCain to beat Obama. .


Someone did in an earlier thread. I was not offended and perhaps he was just emphasizing.

Contrajihadi, how do you take the statement that Mohammad, prophet of Islam was a genius organizer of men whose leadership abilities allowed him to conquer in his lifetime a wild and warring peninsula and whose total system allowed him to spread his personal system across half the planet and spanning centuries.

Do you take me as a Muslim or even sympathetic to Islam?

239 Biff  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:29:41pm

re: #58 Sharmuta

Informal talks have already begun between Obama and Clinton fundraisers to discuss a merger, enabling Mr Obama to pay off Mrs Clinton’s campaign debts of $11 million
Well- there is that. But all she needs is another book deal, so I don't see why she'd need to go for this.


But since that is the approximate amount that Hillary and Bill have lent her campaign, isn't the correct reading of this statement that Obama is offering Hillary an $11M bribe to quit before the convention?

240 MES41067  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:29:41pm

Sore

241 Mich-again  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:30:26pm

Deep in the article..

Hundreds of Clinton supporters, mostly women, gathered in Washington yesterday to protest at what they saw as an injustice,

What the hell does that mean? That its all just a scorned woman thing? Heck, I bet if someone took a survey at any Obama gathering it would also be mostly women. A bit of sexism slipping through from writer Tim Shipman.

242 nigella  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:30:29pm

Mandy, It's getting mighty crowded under that bus!

243 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:30:33pm

Is Larry Johnson releasing the Michelle Obama 'whitey' tape on Monday?


BREAKING NEWS: Michelle’s Whitey Problem

New and dramatic developments. This is a heads up. I’ll post the news Monday morning by 0900 hours. Now I know why people who have seen the videotape say it is stunning. Barack’s headaches are only starting.


244 WriterMom  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:30:39pm

I saw a great comment today about Obama-who cares if he's black, the problem is he's green.

245 tokyobk  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:31:12pm

re: #235 MandyManners

He's thrown his white granny under the bus, calling her a racist.


Shameful and disgusting.

Now be prepared to watch him pull her back from under the bus, prop her up and move her lips to endorse him. Watch the MSM swoon. When he does all this successfully, though, it might be time to re-up your assessment of his abilities.

246 hermeneutics  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:31:17pm

re: #227 Kosh's Shadow

I'm glad she's happy and has found a niche where she's accepted as your wife and a mother. Good for her.

247 Opilio  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:31:22pm

re: #82 really grumpy big dog johnson

Hillary's biggest mistake by far was assuming she'd have the nomination wrapped up by Super Tuesday. Her plan kerplopped when that didn't happen, and she had no troops on the ground to challenge the Obama surge. That one error alone may have cost her the election.

She's won 17 more pledged delegates in the last 3 months than Obama. She's beaten him 52%-48% in the 12.5 million popular votes cast in the last 3 months.

Unfortunately, Obama had a big lead before all of his skeletons came dancing out of their closets. It's been downhill for him since then amongst the hoi polloi. All of the gains he's made since Feb. have come from the most incorruptable cowardly segment of the Dem nomination process -- the superdelegates.

248 David Simon  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:31:54pm

re: #228 Roger

McCain will drive all the hated/despised conservatives to stay home in November. McCain isn't even started yet. The staying home trend is far from over.

The power of Christ repels you!

[Link: a.bebo.com...]

249 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:32:02pm

re: #180 wolfie

Can you believe you actually wrote "unfortunately" ?!
We're rooting for NOW and the Hildebeast!
This is getting downright surreal! :O

I do beg for forgiveness each night. : )

/I just pray the Obamessiah is listening.

250 NY Nana  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:32:22pm

re: #200 Sharmuta

Amazingly, he did have a family member, as he corrected himself, he had a great uncle who helped liberate Buchenwald...given Hussein's incredibly awful knowledge of geography, history, the number of states in the USA? How the hell did he ever get into Harvard and law school?

/Whoops, I think I know.

251 WriterMom  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:32:34pm

re: #243 NJDhockeyfan

who is that?

252 MandyManners  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:33:08pm

re: #245 tokyobk

Shameful and disgusting.

Now be prepared to watch him pull her back from under the bus, prop her up and move her lips to endorse him. Watch the MSM swoon. When he does all this successfully, though, it might be time to re-up your assessment of his abilities.

What abilities? He could have sex with a goat on the Capitol steps at high noon and the media would still be on his side.

253 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:33:21pm

Fears grow that Obama can't win

With senator Barack Obama poised this week to clinch his party's nomination for President, there are growing fears in some quarters that the Democratic party may not be choosing its strongest candidate to beat Republican John McCain.

Senator Hillary Clinton has been making that argument for weeks. Now some recent polls and analysis, looking particularly at vital battleground states and support among white voters, have bolstered her case - even as Obama looks certain to become the nominee.

There's still plenty of woodwork.

/and we haven't even looked behind the refrigerator yet either

254 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:33:24pm
255 Ojoe  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:33:32pm
Hillary Clinton will be offered a dignified exit from the presidential race and the prospect of a place in Barack Obama's cabinet under plans for a "negotiated surrender" of her White House ambitions being drawn up by Senator Obama's aides.

The arrogance of the Obama Campaign!

Go Hillary, tell them to shove it.

Miss the bus!

256 joecitizen  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:33:45pm

re: #238 tokyobk

Someone did in an earlier thread. I was not offended and perhaps he was just emphasizing.

Contrajihadi, how do you take the statement that Mohammad, prophet of Islam was a genius organizer of men whose leadership abilities allowed him to conquer in his lifetime a wild and warring peninsula and whose total system allowed him to spread his personal system across half the planet and spanning centuries.

Do you take me as a Muslim or even sympathetic to Islam?

no,loser..I offered you a troll merit badge for continuing to insist that obamassiah is some sort of brilliant politician etc etc ad nauseum...in spite of the mounting evidence for anyone with a reasonable grasp of reality...

257 formercorpsman  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:33:47pm

Now, what I really want to know is.

Did Michelle quit the church?

There is rumor of some unsavory video possibly being held until some time in the future. As far as these campaigns go, I would have a real hard time thinking some inner circle folk are not aware of potential bombshells waiting to be detonated.

It would be my suspicion, they have already formulated a response.

What would really interest me, is getting a better understanding of their nomination process, that perhaps the Clinton machine may realize the fallout, and by having half the delegates seated, this sets the stage for legitimizing her ascension in the aftermath, and subsequently seating the rest of them if need be.

Just some random, lateral thinking on my end.

258 Mich-again  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:34:17pm

BTW what Bozos in the Obama camp think they are actually going to be able to draw up acceptable terms of surrender for Hillary Clinton? What a joke.

259 republic  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:34:27pm

re: #237 hermeneutics

It will be fun to watch the polling data in the next week to see if it shows an Obama decline.

Rasmussen has a daily report that shows McCain up by three in a head-to-head against Obama (46 to 43). Perhaps Obama's numbers will sink next week to below 40 percent.

Gallup polls daily too. The last I checked McCain was one percentage point below Obama (statistically insignificant.) I'd like to see McCain open up a three or four percent lead.


Given that they all had Jon Cary winning in a landslide election night 2004, I don't pay attention to any polls.

260 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:35:14pm
261 DesertSage  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:35:16pm

re: #238 tokyobk

Contrajihadi, how do you take the statement that Mohammad, prophet of Islam was a genius organizer of men whose leadership abilities allowed him to conquer in his lifetime a wild and warring peninsula and whose total system allowed him to spread his personal system across half the planet and spanning centuries.

Do you take me as a Muslim or even sympathetic to Islam?

In what context did you make that statement? Were you showing genuine admiration for Mohammed and what he accomplished when you said it?
Were you just explaining how Islam came into existence and why it has spread so violently?

Context is everything.

262 CIA Reject  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:35:44pm

re: #232 itellu3times

You likee that, how about, in the next chair over, Associate Supreme Court Justice William Jefferson Clinton, plus whoever is under his robe.

GROAN!........ POP!

Well, now you've done it- my head's exploded.

/How 'bout a "duct tape warning" next time eh? :-)

263 Mich-again  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:35:49pm

Is there a bus pool?

I say Obama throws Michelle under the bus next.

264 Ojoe  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:35:54pm

re: #238 tokyobk

IMHO "Mo" was good at tapping the human proclivity to sin, not a good thing, yes an empire came of it.

265 nigella  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:36:09pm

Mandy if it wasn't so true, it would be funny. Is there anything the "Messiah"could do that the media would find bad enough to stop their push for his Presidency? Sadly I don't think so. They better line up some more buses.... Their going to need them!

266 Yankee Division Son  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:36:14pm

I think Hillary will wait. Perhaps even "suspend" her campaign, without throwing her support and delegates behind Obama. She will wait and let it be known she's going to Denver with her delegates, and hope Obama makes (another) mistake, and go into full meltdown.

She can then tell the DNC, "I'm here for you if you need me.."

267 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:36:49pm

re: #228 Roger

McCain will drive all the hated/despised conservatives to stay home in November. McCain isn't even started yet. The staying home trend is far from over.

Kiss me.

268 OldLineTexan  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:37:23pm

re: #252 MandyManners

What abilities? He could have sex with a goat on the Capitol steps at high noon and the media would still be on his side.

Ah, the old pandering-to-CAIR trick. Genius!

/Get SMART, America!

269 tokyobk  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:37:23pm

re: #256 joecitizen

no,loser..I offered you a troll merit badge for continuing to insist that obamassiah is some sort of brilliant politician etc etc ad nauseum...in spite of the mounting evidence for anyone with a reasonable grasp of reality...


Obama is a brilliant politician who plays th emedia like a fiddle. It may get him elected.

Joe, joe, no need to call names, now.

270 ContraJihadi  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:37:28pm

re: #238 tokyobk

Someone did in an earlier thread. I was not offended and perhaps he was just emphasizing.

Contrajihadi, how do you take the statement that Mohammad, prophet of Islam was a genius organizer of men whose leadership abilities allowed him to conquer in his lifetime a wild and warring peninsula and whose total system allowed him to spread his personal system across half the planet and spanning centuries.

Do you take me as a Muslim or even sympathetic to Islam?

"Someone" is not "everyone."

Strike the word "genius" and replace it with "very effective" or always, always add the modifier "evil" when ascribing "genius" to Mohammed, and my misgivings will diminish.

Frankly, I have given exactly no thought at all as too whether you might be a Muslim. I am responding only on the basis of how I judge the logical and factual merits of your arguments.
I went to school before p.c., multiculturalism and deconstruction slithered into the curricula. My 11th grade English teacher taught her class to pursue the ancient Greek notion of ἀρετή.

271 formercorpsman  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:37:58pm

re: #243 NJDhockeyfan

Hence, I just answered my own post possibly.

If there is any shred of truth to this, Barry thou doth protest too much.

272 republic  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:38:00pm

re: #253 Killian Bundy

Fears grow that Obama can't win


There's still plenty of woodwork.

/and we haven't even looked behind the refrigerator yet either

The entire msm and all other leftists are going to keep hammering the "racist" white people are the reason Obama can't win.

It surely can't be because of his beliefs and his "policies" and his own racist beliefs./

273 looking closely  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:38:22pm

re: #232 itellu3times

You likee that, how about, in the next chair over, Associate Supreme Court Justice William Jefferson Clinton, plus whoever is under his robe.


I think his disbarment would prevent Bill Clinton from serving as US Supreme Court Justice.

As to Hilary, apart from her tenure as US Senator (which is arguably relevant) she has zero experience in Federal Jurisprudence. She'd be an incredibly controversial choice (at best) and I think a poor choice.

If the goal is to stuff the bench with activist judges, (even female ones). I think there are probably a lot better choices out there who could fill that role.

274 tokyobk  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:38:56pm

re: #264 Ojoe

IMHO "Mo" was good at tapping the human proclivity to sin, not a good thing, yes an empire came of it.


Right. And my point is that it is possible to be aware of someones abilities without endorsing them and in the case of people with whom you disagree or threaten your vales, as Obama does to many here, it is wise not to undereticamte them and wish-dul thinking of the dangerous kind.

275 Mich-again  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:39:29pm

re: #228 Roger

I disagree. Primaries are about voting for who you like. Generals are about voting for the one you dislike the least.

276 hermeneutics  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:39:41pm

re: #243 NJDhockeyfan

AMazing, NJ! Did you see the long comment by "Mandelay?" Here's a snippet:
The reactions here, I believe, are born of deep frustration with the party and the media, as well as the injustices that have been tolerated, injustices against one of the most qualified candidates I’ve ever seen for the office of POTUS. At this point, I can only see Hillary running as an independent. I also think she can win as an independent. I have also come to believe that it is important to send a message to the DNC in November. If what they did is allowed to culminate in the election of Obama, the next election and the one after that and all the rest will be products of this slime. And fighting the “Obama Illusion” will become increasingly more difficult. Tonight’s “compromises” made at the DNC’s committee meeting have left Florida delegates with the power of half a vote. Half a vote. And reducing people to a fraction was the proposal of a black man. At one time black men had only 3/5 of a vote. See how far we’ve come. The Michigan “compromise” not only gives Obama delegates, it actually gives him 4 of HIllary’s delegates.

[Link: noquarterusa.net...]

277 CIA Reject  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:39:52pm

re: #236 nigella

CIA reject, I like that one better!

Every priest I have ever known has always had that one close in his mind because it makes his responsibility to his flock so starkly clear. Pfleger seems to have been able to forget it though- I hpe he remembers before has a very rude reminder.

278 Catttt  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:40:09pm

Sort of on topic -

This clip is hilarious (no pun intended) - it was used in the Fox earmarks special report this evening.

"I was tied up at the time...'

279 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:40:19pm

re: #222 Inquisitive

I agree with what you have said and I think everyone should think about this really hard. We need to stop throwing jabs out there and get behind him full heartedly. We need to be building him up and constantly pointing out his best points of being the next POTUS. We need to try our best to turn other voters his way. We need to remember there is lots of people out there still undecided at this point at time and that could possibly reading these post.
I will be voting for McCain because I know he would be the best for our country, not just because I don't think or want Obama or Clinton.
Sorry to anyone I may have offended or if I have stepped over the line, and I really did not like the glue horse statement.

You and me both. If you think about it, the reverse comment regarding Obama or Clinton would be just as offensive. I'm tired of sidewinders trying to tinge this election by using all the same tired dem talking points. It's pure bullshit.

280 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:40:22pm

re: #243 NJDhockeyfan

Is Larry Johnson releasing the Michelle Obama 'whitey' tape on Monday?

BREAKING NEWS: Michelle’s Whitey Problem

You know, if there's a legitimate videotape of Michelle Obama using the term "whitey", Barack’s campaign is over.

/unless, of course, he throws her under the bus

281 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:40:27pm

re: #244 WriterMom

I saw a great comment today about Obama-who cares if he's black, the problem is he's green.

Dennis Miller had a great one on "The O'Reilly Factor" the other night- "It's not the color of his skin, it's the thinness of it!"

282 pat  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:40:35pm

re: #178 Sharmuta

lol

283 Ojoe  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:40:38pm

re: #274 tokyobk

In this instance Obama is good at tapping the 'get a life' types; if there are enough of them he will win.

284 DesertSage  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:40:52pm

re: #274 tokyobk

undereticamte

Underestimate?

285 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:40:58pm
286 Roger  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:41:00pm

re: #275 Mich-again

I disagree. Primaries are about voting for who you like. Generals are about voting for the one you dislike the least.

What was your prediction in 2006?

287 joecitizen  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:41:32pm

re: #269 tokyobk

Obama is a brilliant politician who plays th emedia like a fiddle. It may get him elected.

Joe, joe, no need to call names, now.


the media suck him off because they are over filled with liberal racial guilt that makes it impossible for them to criticize or accurately portray him or his positions..this does not mean he's brilliant..lucky,maybe..a punk with decent timing,maybe..but no where near brilliant...

288 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:41:36pm

re: #244 WriterMom

I saw a great comment today about Obama-who cares if he's black, the problem is he's green.

Actually, he's Red.
He's a green red.
But not Red Green, who would make a better president, but he's Canadian

289 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:41:48pm

re: #262 CIA Reject

GROAN!........ POP!

Well, now you've done it- my head's exploded.

/How 'bout a "duct tape warning" next time eh? :-)

Blowgram for Mongo...

290 MandyManners  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:42:21pm

re: #269 tokyobk

Obama is a brilliant politician who plays th emedia like a fiddle. It may get him elected.

Joe, joe, no need to call names, now.

I've held back but, I gotta' ask if you're fucking insane.

291 mikeinmd  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:42:28pm

One other thought. A President has pardon power. If Obama was elected, who would he pardon after his disaster of a Presidency ?
Makes me shiver.

292 looking closely  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:42:43pm

re: #237 hermeneutics

It will be fun to watch the polling data in the next week to see if it shows an Obama decline.

Rasmussen has a daily report that shows McCain up by three in a head-to-head against Obama (46 to 43). Perhaps Obama's numbers will sink next week to below 40 percent.

Gallup polls daily too. The last I checked McCain was one percentage point below Obama (statistically insignificant.) I'd like to see McCain open up a three or four percent lead.


While I'll take any lead for McCain as positive, you have to take polls like this with a gigantic grain of salt.

Wasn't Gore polling ahead of Bush up until election day?

Apart from the polls themselves being somewhat unreliable, they are ephemeral. There are months before the election, whichever way the winds are blowing tomorrow means very little, as both Obama and McCain start spinning whichever ways they think will gain them votes.

It might be better for McCain's campaign motivationally if they think he is behind.

293 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:42:47pm

re: #285 song_and_dance_man

Are you?

/Here's my segue for yet another B. Hussein campaign song.

Thou currish earth-vexing codpiece!

Comfortably Numb

I despise that song.

294 pat  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:42:52pm

Serious question. One LGFer said that there is no record of Obama's Great Uncle serving in the 89th. True?

295 NY Nana  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:43:08pm

re: #273 looking closely

And Shrill's record at the Rose Law Firm?

296 vrwc007  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:43:15pm

My view may be colored by the fact I live in the state that sent BO to Washington. The MSM is going to pull out all the stops to elect BO. Every small mistake that McCain makes will be amplified 1000 times while any mistakes made by BO will never be mentioned more that once in passing. McCain has already said he will not run a negative campaign. BO and the MSM will pound away and the "independents" will take the bait. The fact that the empty suit BO has made it this far should cause every to be very afraid.

297 Dasher  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:43:21pm

If I were Hillary I would stay in until the convention. Delegate votes do not count until cast, and they will not be cast until the convention. Only then will we know if she lost to the bus driver or not.

298 Ojoe  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:43:25pm

re: #280 Killian Bundy

Well the bus is ready.

299 realwest  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:43:43pm

Hey Y'all - been a weird, long and tiring day. I did notice, however that the Dem's have handed Michigan and Florida to the Republicans.
And who knows how Mrs. Clinton's hard-core "fans" are gonna react to her losing the nomination (IF she does, I'm still not convinced) and NOT "even" being the VP?

I do have to say, though, that, as Charles said, the Dems have apparently decided - well ok, not based on popular vote, but the Dem powers that be have decided on perhaps the MOST radical candidate they could put up for POTUS and you know what - McCain is STILL gonna have a helluva time beating him.
It's spelled Charisma and unless a lot more Charisma wears off before the general election, McCain is gonna have a helluva tough time.

300 Biff  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:44:07pm

re: #291 mikeinmd

Mumia

301 republic  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:44:36pm

re: #273 looking closely

I think his disbarment would prevent Bill Clinton from serving as US Supreme Court Justice.

As to Hilary, apart from her tenure as US Senator (which is arguably relevant) she has zero experience in Federal Jurisprudence. She'd be an incredibly controversial choice (at best) and I think a poor choice.

If the goal is to stuff the bench with activist judges, (even female ones). I think there are probably a lot better choices out there who could fill that role.


People need to start realizing that the Republicans are not going to be able to stop anything if the Dems have a veto proof majority.

The only saving grace may be, that these Democrats who are running to the right of Republicans, and winning, are the real deal, as many from the 2006 elections have proven to be.

302 MandyManners  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:45:35pm

re: #278 Catttt

Sort of on topic -

This clip is hilarious (no pun intended) - it was used in the Fox earmarks special report this evening.

"I was tied up at the time...'

Contrast that "just let me eat my waffle".

303 Roger  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:45:41pm

It isn't that Obamessiah is brilliant or a genius; just that the people are ripe for a lower than medocrity to be given the Emperor's clothes.

304 DesertSage  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:45:43pm

re: #288 Kosh's Shadow

Actually, he's Red.
He's a green red.
But not Red Green, who would make a better president, but he's Canadian

Oh no....not Red Green!
The man is hilarious, he would make a great president!

305 gop_patriot  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:46:05pm

re: #278 Catttt

Love it! Thanks for posting. :)

306 big L  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:46:12pm

I think Hill arranges for Gore to come in after acouple of ballots at the Convention...he picks Obyama as VP.
Southern State/Machine political-Northern state.
Hill looks like peacemaker,appears between them both.
1. preserves her constiuency
2. keeps the Blacks in Dem column.
3. Gets offered and accepts Senate Majority Leader.
4. Harry Reid repairs bus mufflers.(not a perfect scenario)

307 Mich-again  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:46:14pm

re: #286 Roger

What was your prediction in 2006?

hmmm. That Ned Lamont was going to lose to Joe Lieberman. (right). That the Tigers were going to beat the Cardinals in the World Series. (wrong) So I was 50/50.

308 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:46:40pm

re: #251 WriterMom

who is that?

Larry Johnson?

He's a Hillary supporter who claims he has a video of Michelle Obama at Trinity going on a racist rant saying 'whitey' this and 'whitey' that. Obama will have to throw her under the bus if Johnson has a real bad video.

309 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:46:56pm
310 tokyobk  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:47:02pm

re: #283 Ojoe

In this instance Obama is good at tapping the 'get a life' types; if there are enough of them he will win.


Joe, please listen for a second on the assumption which I think is probably true that if you and I met we could have a favorite beverage together and probably get along:

Your reference to me as a 'loser' and that Obama's base is made up of 'get a life' types is exactly the kind of dangerous denial that liberals of the 80's engaged in when the shift in th landscape was so outside of their understanding of reality.

Obama's army of volunteers come from Ivy grads, bankers, lawyers, writers. Most of the really smart young people I know are Obama kool-aid drinkers You can disagree with all of them, or not value them as much as they value themselves, but they by every definition they have lives just as the assessment that I am a 'loser' by any measure (except karaoke at which I truly suck) would be shocking to anyone who knows me. A-hole, maybe.

Lets agree to disagree as the general is just starting. Lets watch it play out. I believe Obama is a formidable candidate and has genius qualities in terms of political intuition.

311 Ojoe  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:47:14pm

re: #306 big L

Big Medicine! Wu !

312 formercorpsman  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:47:18pm

re: #299 realwest

Realwest, you just answered it.

If Bill knows she can't get the nomination, and he does not want to shoulder the blame for a 68 recap, this would be his reasoning for accepting half the delegates.

He knows it will sink Obama in the general, and get back at the DNC.

He ceded their wishes, they can only blame themselves.

313 realwest  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:47:23pm

re: #292 looking closely
While I agree with everything you said, one thing really stood out to me: "Wasn't Gore polling ahead of Bush up until election day?"
Yes, and iirc Gore did win more popular votes than did Bush, didn't he?

314 hermeneutics  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:47:51pm

re: #292 looking closely

In 2004, Blumenthal's blog was a must-read for pollsters ... now, its disappointing. Still, the comments on his blog are great for understanding the limitations and biases of particular pollsters.

Likely > registered > all. I only look at "likely" voter polls, now. Big samples. Small MOE.

Yes, polls are way off, often. Some polls, however, are better than others and are a good indice where the candidate stands.

315 Biff  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:48:21pm

re: #292 looking closely

The key polling number is Obama's percentage. There is very little reason to believe that he has much upside from where he now stands. Maybe a few Hillary supporters who are now polling as "neither", but if he is only polling 43%, he should be dead meat (figuratively, of course) in November.

316 big L  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:49:01pm

303-roger- -wasn't it Sen Roman Hruska that said "even the mediocre constituents deserve representation"?

317 pat  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:49:04pm

I am a polling panel member. Feed me.

318 rabidfox  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:49:25pm

Conspiracy theory time: Soros can control obama. I don't think that he can control hillary. Soros owns the dnc. ergo, the DNC throws the candidacy toward obama.

319 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:49:35pm

re: #304 DesertSage

Oh no....not Red Green!
The man is hilarious, he would make a great president!

Can you imagine Ahmadinejad invited to Possum Lodge for a pig barbeque and beer?

320 Opilio  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:49:48pm

re: #219 Honorary Yooper

Connecticut, whatever. Remember, ZERO FOR TWENTY MARKOS supports Obama.

/What'll that be, Markos, 0 for 21 then?

When the Dem primary season started, it was mildly entertaining to visit Kozland periodically to observe the internecine squabbling and bomb throwing between the Clinton/Edwards/Obama/Kucinich camps.

But by Super Tuesday or shortly thereafter, there was a defacto purge, and the place became a temple of Obama worship. It's pretty creepy now - the reverence they hold for this man.

I fervently hope McCain is elected in November. First and foremost for the safety, security, and continued health of our country. But secondly, because I want to watch a complete Kozland meltdown. If that makes me a bad person, so be it.

321 looking closely  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:49:57pm

re: #280 Killian Bundy

You know, if there's a legitimate videotape of Michelle Obama using the term "whitey", Barack’s campaign is over.

/unless, of course, he throws her under the bus

This I'd like to see.

322 Roger  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:50:26pm

It isn't that Obamessiah is brilliant or a genius; just that the people are ripe for a lower than medocrity to be given the Emperor's clothes.re: #307 Mich-again lol!

323 joecitizen  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:50:40pm

re: #310 tokyobk

Joe, please listen for a second on the assumption which I think is probably true that if you and I met we could have a favorite beverage together and probably get along:

Your reference to me as a 'loser' and that Obama's base is made up of 'get a life' types is exactly the kind of dangerous denial that liberals of the 80's engaged in when the shift in th landscape was so outside of their understanding of reality.

Obama's army of volunteers come from Ivy grads, bankers, lawyers, writers. Most of the really smart young people I know are Obama kool-aid drinkers You can disagree with all of them, or not value them as much as they value themselves, but they by every definition they have lives just as the assessment that I am a 'loser' by any measure (except karaoke at which I truly suck) would be shocking to anyone who knows me. A-hole, maybe.

Lets agree to disagree as the general is just starting. Lets watch it play out. I believe Obama is a formidable candidate and has genius qualities in terms of political intuition.

I think you're running your joes together..pay attention,man,or NOBODY will take you seriously..

324 Inquisitive  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:50:53pm

re: #269 tokyobk

Obama is a brilliant politician who plays th emedia like a fiddle. It may get him elected.

Joe, joe, no need to call names, now.


Are you listening to, learning about, and reading about the same Obama that we are. What makes you think that he is a brilliant politician. PLEASE EXPLAIN! He does not play the media-- they are the ones TRYING to make him look BRILLIANT

325 republic  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:50:57pm

re: #296 vrwc007

My view may be colored by the fact I live in the state that sent BO to Washington. The MSM is going to pull out all the stops to elect BO. Every small mistake that McCain makes will be amplified 1000 times while any mistakes made by BO will never be mentioned more that once in passing. McCain has already said he will not run a negative campaign. BO and the MSM will pound away and the "independents" will take the bait. The fact that the empty suit BO has made it this far should cause every to be very afraid.

That is the key point.

The fact that he is where he is at, says lot about this country.

There seems to be a trend which is not going to get better with time, no matter what happens.

326 DesertSage  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:51:24pm

re: #313 realwest

Yes, and iirc Gore did win more popular votes than did Bush, didn't he?

Yes, Gore beat Bush by half million in the popular vote. That's why Lefties have been screaming about 'selected, not elected' ever since.

Hillary will beat Obama in the popular vote now, but Lefty doesn't seem to care this time.

327 Mich-again  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:51:29pm

I think Hillary should start a 3rd Party run.

hehe

328 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:51:44pm
329 Ma Sands  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:52:00pm

re: #318 rabidfox

Oof! He does not look nice! How old is he anyway, do you know?

330 MandyManners  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:52:08pm

re: #310 tokyobk

Joe, please listen for a second on the assumption which I think is probably true that if you and I met we could have a favorite beverage together and probably get along:

Your reference to me as a 'loser' and that Obama's base is made up of 'get a life' types is exactly the kind of dangerous denial that liberals of the 80's engaged in when the shift in th landscape was so outside of their understanding of reality.

Obama's army of volunteers come from Ivy grads, bankers, lawyers, writers. Most of the really smart young people I know are Obama kool-aid drinkers You can disagree with all of them, or not value them as much as they value themselves, but they by every definition they have lives just as the assessment that I am a 'loser' by any measure (except karaoke at which I truly suck) would be shocking to anyone who knows me. A-hole, maybe.

Lets agree to disagree as the general is just starting. Lets watch it play out. I believe Obama is a formidable candidate and has genius qualities in terms of political intuition.

Now I know you're fucking insane.

Have you ever heard of George Soros?

331 ContraJihadi  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:52:18pm

re: #299 realwest

you know what - McCain is STILL gonna have a helluva time beating him.
It's spelled Charisma and unless a lot more Charisma wears off before the general election, McCain is gonna have a helluva tough time.

I fear you may be correct, because I fear that good sense might have escaped the majority* of voters, that they have been seduced into believing that such European nostrums as universal health care rationed by federal bureaucrats and precipitous withdrawal from overseas engagements will pave their way to nirvana.

----
* Enough to produce a majority in the electoral college.

332 Ojoe  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:52:46pm

re: #310 tokyobk

IMHO Obama is extremely naive, probably likable as a person, but in no way a good choice to lead the country.

In fact, he can't lead it after saying "typical white person".

His ideas on disarmament are foolishness as well.

I do not believe that smartness except the youngest person's smartness could be taken in by BHO.

I think that even by age 30 you'd see through him.

333 Mich-again  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:53:17pm

So the Wings are going to clinch Monday night at the Joe. And I will be on a freaking business trip to Mexico. sigh. But I heard a rumor they have beer there.

334 realwest  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:53:43pm

re: #312 formercorpsman Yup - but I STILL think McCain is gonna have a tough time with both the Dems (minus those die-hard Hillary "fans" and Florida - if not necessarily Michigan cause Obama wasn't on the ballot in Michigan) and the MSM looking to screw McCain and push Obama every which way they possibly can.
Still and all, BO has SO MANY NEGATIVES after a while it's gonna be impossible for the MSM to cover for him, SOME prominent Dem's haven't sold their souls completely and will be on the news talk show circuit that he's gonna have to run a pretty near perfect campaign and he could get taken out if McCain develops that fire in the belly.
Never thought I'd see a Dem with more Negatives than Hillary, but there you are.

335 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:53:45pm

re: #280 Killian Bundy

You know, if there's a legitimate videotape of Michelle Obama using the term "whitey", Barack’s campaign is over.

Don't be so certain. Running against a First Lady, or potential, has proven to be a losing venture. Bob Dole ran against Hillary, and got his backside handed to him.

336 republic  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:54:00pm

re: #299 realwest

Hey Y'all - been a weird, long and tiring day. I did notice, however that the Dem's have handed Michigan and Florida to the Republicans.
And who knows how Mrs. Clinton's hard-core "fans" are gonna react to her losing the nomination (IF she does, I'm still not convinced) and NOT "even" being the VP?

I do have to say, though, that, as Charles said, the Dems have apparently decided - well ok, not based on popular vote, but the Dem powers that be have decided on perhaps the MOST radical candidate they could put up for POTUS and you know what - McCain is STILL gonna have a helluva time beating him.
It's spelled Charisma and unless a lot more Charisma wears off before the general election, McCain is gonna have a helluva tough time.

Obama's "charisma" has really been taking a nosedive of late.

He was a complete idiot at his press conference today, where while he denounced his church, his church wasn't worthy of denunciation, so said the idiot.

Obama needs to be mocked into oblivion.

337 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:55:07pm

McCain releases 1000+ pages of medical records, Obama releases a note from his doctor.

/hmmm, I want an Obama hair sample

338 NY Nana  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:55:10pm

re: #294 pat

Serious question. One LGFer said that there is no record of Obama's Great Uncle serving in the 89th. True?

This is a lot to read, Pat, but the bottom line is that he did serve...and you literally have to almost go to the bottom line! I don't want to quote it, as reading the whole thing was an edumacation.

Lying about a family member liberating a concentration camp? You know what I would have said if it was true. That Hussein was yet again totally confused? No surprise there.

339 Ojoe  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:55:16pm

Time to ZZZZZ

see you all tomorrow.

340 Mich-again  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:55:21pm

re: #334 realwest

Any hint that Obama is not pro gun rights will do him in with the formidable redneck Democrat voting bloc here.

341 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:56:07pm

re: #310 tokyobk

Are you a Burger King in Tokyo?

342 realwest  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:56:29pm

re: #318 rabidfox Well I don't know if Soros owns the DNC, but he sure has a big chunk of it so you could be right.
But the Dems have a history of rising from the dead; who'd have thought, after Bush beat Kerry so badly in 2004 that the Dems would take the off-year congressional elections in such a spectaculor fashion?

343 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:56:41pm

I see tokyobk has been causing more trouble while I've been gone.

344 Catttt  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:56:47pm

Surprisingly, I have received several hot retort type comments on my Obama, Flag Pins, and Lies video. They either try to say "who cares" (people who watch Senator O lie care) or say the vid is "out of context" (even though it is in chronological order, with dates and places).

I must be over the target - I'm receiving flak. Pleasant surprise. My other Obama vid (Obama Dream) is apparently too subtle for anyone to perceive as anti-Obama.

345 Opilio  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:57:25pm

re: #272 republic

The entire msm and all other leftists are going to keep hammering the "racist" white people are the reason Obama can't win.

That could just become a self-fulfilling prophecy. The sufferers of "white guilt" are already in Barry's camp. Calling everyone else racist for the next 5 months should ensure a McCain landslide.

346 Ma Sands  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:57:46pm

re: #344 Catttt

Doin' well. :)

347 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:58:05pm
348 realwest  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:58:15pm

re: #320 Opilio "I want to watch a complete Kozland meltdown. If that makes me a bad person, so be it."
Who on earth would say that makes you a bad person (other than Markos and the koskids, I mean)?!?

349 DesertSage  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:58:33pm

re: #310 tokyobk

Obama's army of volunteers come from Ivy grads, bankers, lawyers, writers.

Do you remember the last time a Democrat candidate got an 'army of volunteers'? The last time that the turnout in the primaries was so high?

It was in 1972. In fact, the primary turnout was even higher than it is this year. People wanted....wait for it....CHANGE!

Do you know what happened to the Democrat candidate in 1972? Look it up...it wasn't pretty.

350 FrogMarch  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:58:36pm

The truth is even most democrats can't stand her. She's a lousy candidate.

351 DoubleU  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:58:52pm

If Hillary leaves, she will take a bunch of dems away from Obama
Link 1:


Link 2: [Link: www.lindasog.com...]

352 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:59:13pm

re: #337 Killian Bundy

McCain releases 1000+ pages of medical records, Obama releases a note from his doctor.

/hmmm, I want an Obama hair sample

A positive follicle drug find would simply be explained off as: "I must have been in a room where folks were... but I wasn't paying attention..."

353 looking closely  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:59:22pm

re: #295 NY Nana

And Shrill's record at the Rose Law Firm?


I think she would be a bad choice for a number of reasons, and I don't really think she would get that nomination.

Unlike most nominees, she 's not a "dark horse"; and she has a high public unfavorable rating. Her nomination would (rightly, IMO) be viewed as a partisan payoff rather than a merit-based appointment, and I think even a lot of Democrats would be skeptical. I don't think Obama would want to waste one of his shots on her when there would be less controversial and better candidates out there.

Assuming she got that nod, ultimately it would come down to numbers. Would there be enough Senate Democrat defectors to prevent her from being seated? I think there probably would.

354 wolfie  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:59:33pm

re: #306 big L

I think Hill arranges for Gore to come in after acouple of ballots at the Convention...he picks Obyama as VP.
Southern State/Machine political-Northern state.
Hill looks like peacemaker,appears between them both.
1. preserves her constiuency
2. keeps the Blacks in Dem column.
3. Gets offered and accepts Senate Majority Leader.
4. Harry Reid repairs bus mufflers.(not a perfect scenario)

Al Gore couldn't win a single Southern state in 2000. (If he had managed to win his own state of TN, he would have won the election.)

Since 2000 he has done nothing to endear himself to anyone but the moonbat elite. He's no spring chicken and he's old news. He's stiff as a board and could make even McCain look perky.

Making Obama VP .especially the VP of some white male who didn't earn a single primary vote...........would be like making him sit in the back of the bus. It will not happen.

355 Mich-again  Sat, May 31, 2008 8:59:46pm

Coming soon to a Kos near you.. Hillary Derangement Syndrome.

356 FrogMarch  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:00:32pm

Here's the deal though- - the Clintons
never
go
away.

357 Killian Bundy  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:01:04pm

Turn on Fox.

/an expose on earmarks, it'll make you mad

358 Mich-again  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:01:05pm

re: #354 wolfie

It will not happen.

You are right about that. That was nUtZ.

359 realwest  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:01:23pm

re: #322 Roger Nah, Obama has been very shrewdly marketed as a sort of "Rock Star" and, frankly, Hillary seriously underestimated him and relied pretty much on advisors her husband used to get elected for what -
12 years ago? And whether or not we LIKE Obama's advisors, they've done a masterful job for him.
But that which made him could just as easily bring him down

360 Catttt  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:01:43pm

re: #335 unrealizedviewpoint

Don't be so certain. Running against a First Lady, or potential, has proven to be a losing venture. Bob Dole ran against Hillary, and got his backside handed to him.

But potential First Ladies can contribute - or not. Think Mrs. Heinz-Kerry. She was imho not helpful to Senator Kerry in oh so many little ways.

The other thing to keep in mind is that Mrs. Obama has involved herself in the campaign in a way that to many makes her fair game. That makes it a whole different ball game.

361 republic  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:01:44pm

re: #340 Mich-again

Any hint that Obama is not pro gun rights will do him in with the formidable redneck Democrat voting bloc here.

Any hint?

Are you serious?

His anti-gun record is 100% for his entire political career!

100% anti-firearm, and every anti-gun vote directly targeted law abiding firearms owners.

Oh what's the use.

He voted against law abiding Illinois firearms owners being able to use a firearm in their own homes for self-defense!

362 DoubleU  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:02:17pm

re: #356 FrogMarch

Here's the deal though- - the Clintons
never go away.

Quote from RedStateUpdate

The Clintons are like herpes but worse they never go away and they talk!
363 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:02:27pm

re: #357 Killian Bundy

Turn on Fox.

/an expose on earmarks, it'll make you mad

You can't talk about BHO's ears! Racist!

364 formercorpsman  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:02:35pm

re: #310 tokyobk

Perhaps the divergence of opinion is this.

You post asserts that Obama is akin to a brilliant politician, recall Bill in the early 90's.

I would say you are correct, as it applies to masses who vote solely on emotion, and maybe a smidgen of actual substance, hence, the reason when most are asked what he has done, they respond with what they feel about him, and not a real answer.

So under the circumstances, I guess he could be a brilliant politician, but this only plays fractionally with the country.

At the same time, it has been proven time and again, take him off of his script, and this guy has a glass jaw. His verbal cadence, poetic rhythm, and transcendental ability diminish huge.

It is obvious, with everyone here, the guy is an empty suit. The media doesn't just throw softballs, they put the it on the tee for him.

He swings, it goes to the infield, and for what would otherwise be a sure out, it goes over the first baseman's head, and he advances to second on a technicality.

I think this is the stumbling block with respect to the brilliance.

365 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:02:41pm
366 Mich-again  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:03:00pm

re: #356 FrogMarch

Here's the deal though- - the Clintons
never
go
away.

It was either MoDo or Susan Estrich who noted that the Clinton's "suck all the gas out of the room."

367 CIA Reject  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:04:24pm

re: #289 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Blowgram for Mongo...

LOL!

368 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:04:44pm
369 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:05:34pm
370 realwest  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:05:37pm

re: #326 DesertSage Yeppers.
When Hillary was behind in the popular vote and Obama was behind in the Superdelegate votes, all Obama's campaign - and the MSM - could say was "let the voters decide". Now that SHE's ahead in popular vote and he's ahead in the superdelegates, there's is no longer any concern about the nominee being selected by a very small group of mostly men in a cigar smoke filled room.

As I've said, I'm nervous about McCain's chances, but I do think Obama can be HAD - but we need McCain to literally get his ass in gear and stop this bullshit "high road game"; it might work if the MSM wasn't so much in the tank for Obama, but they are and it won't work.

371 Mich-again  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:05:42pm

re: #361 republic

His anti-gun record is 100% for his entire political career!

Then he can't win this State.

372 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:05:57pm

re: #366 Mich-again

It was either MoDo or Susan Estrich who noted that the Clinton's "suck all the gas out of the room."

/They could have just recommended taking Beano.

373 looking closely  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:06:08pm

re: #325 republic

That is the key point.

The fact that he is where he is at, says lot about this country.

There seems to be a trend which is not going to get better with time, no matter what happens.

Eh. . .

When it comes down to it, the only serious contender in the race on the Dem side was Clinton, and she came into it with the highest unpopularity rating in the contest. .

I predicted here over a year ago, (ie long before Obama was a "phenomenon" or even on anyone's radar screen), that she wouldn't get the nod. And so it seems to be. With Clinton simply not strong enough, Obama is the "next best" choice.

To me this isn't so much about the strength of Obama, but rather about the bankrupcy of the Democrats.

The "best" they have is a 1.5 term senator who is the wife of a President, and a guy with less than one term as senator and an embarassingly thin CV.

374 republic  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:07:25pm

re: #371 Mich-again

Then he can't win this State.

He shouldn't be able to win WI or IL on that basis, but he will, hands down, no matter what.

375 ContraJihadi  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:08:19pm

tokyobk

I agree with you that ad hominems do not advance the discussion, but if you want to win respect on LGF for your agruments, you are obliged to address the logic of the objections other lizards have raised against your claims. You must avoid speculating as to their motivations or highlighting either their allegiances or your own.

376 Mich-again  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:08:26pm

re: #369 song_and_dance_man

And it was $Estrich that said that.

You are right on both counts..

One of the statements that former Dukakis campaign manager, Fox News contributor and Democratic talking head Susan Estrich makes often is that whenever either Bill or Hillary Clinton get involved in a current event, “They suck all the air out of the room.” Meaning, whatever is going on, if it involved them even a little, they insist on it becoming all about them!
377 formercorpsman  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:08:44pm

re: #355 Mich-again

That is something that has been on my mind.

It is a perfect scenario.

Knowing the truther-ism is bullshit, this allows them the perfect segue for what they have not suggested yet.

What about the first Trade Center bombing? Was that an inside job?

It will be their perfect marriage for their BDS.

378 Sharmuta  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:09:09pm

DenVER! DenVER! DenVER!

379 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:09:11pm

re: #373 looking closely

Eh. . .

When it comes down to it, the only serious contender in the race on the Dem side was Clinton, and she came into it with the highest unpopularity rating in the contest. .

I predicted here over a year ago, (ie long before Obama was a "phenomenon" or even on anyone's radar screen), that she wouldn't get the nod. And so it seems to be. With Clinton simply not strong enough, Obama is the "next best" choice.

To me this isn't so much about the strength of Obama, but rather about the bankrupcy of the Democrats.

The "best" they have is a 1.5 term senator who is the wife of a President, and a guy with less than one term as senator and an embarassingly thin CV.

Damn you! Why didn't you post this BEFORE the Powerball drawing tonight?

/ J/K! : )

380 realwest  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:09:19pm

re: #337 Killian Bundy YEAH! LOL! Why do you think he keeps it so short?!
LOL!

381 Catttt  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:10:12pm

re: #346 Ma Sands

Doin' well. :)

Still, my most highly rated video remains my Samael vid. :D I get totally different types on my Obama vids (political junkies), my jets/bombs/war vid (boys mostly - boys who think jets are cool, dude), and my Samael vid (obviously, Samael fans). The Samael and jets fans are more fun; the political junkies are more funny.

382 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:10:32pm

re: #337 Killian Bundy

McCain releases 1000+ pages of medical records, Obama releases a note from his doctor.

/hmmm, I want an Obama hair sample

It's life, Jim, but not as we know it.
Or maybe "Jim, this man is a Klingon". No, too wimpy. A Klingon would never retreat from battle.

383 Mich-again  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:10:34pm

re: #373 looking closely

long before Obama was a "phenomenon"


Obamanomenon?

384 wolfie  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:10:58pm

re: #360 Catttt

I agree w/ you.
I am confident that McCain will leave the criticism for someone else, BTW.
Michelle can hurt Obama BADLY.

385 solomonpanting  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:11:03pm

McGovern, Carter*, Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, Kerry, Obama...
If this were a baseball team they'd be less than the '62 Mets.

*notwithstanding his '76 win

386 tokyobk  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:11:44pm

re: #364 formercorpsman

Perhaps the divergence of opinion is this.

So under the circumstances, I guess he could be a brilliant politician, but this only plays fractionally with the country.

At the same time, it has been prov en time and again, take him off of his script, and this guy has a glass jaw. His verbal cadence, poetic rhythm, and transcendental ability diminish huge.

You made most of my point more clearly than I could.

Joe et all... lets just see how things play out. I stand by my statement that Obama is best not underestimated and agree completely that America deserves better than the the glib skills which politicians like Obama and early Clinton excel.

I would add and it was part of my point to Joe about writing off Obama supporters that if in the estimation Obama has hoodwinked people with his rhetorical skills and playing on race that 1) that is a conscious proactive move on his part, meaning the MSM did not create him, he inserted himself into the MSM on his own terms and 2) Those people might be wrong, wrongheaded, and foolish but they are hardly inconsequential people, rather people who have real power in the media, finance, education and politics.

387 Mich-again  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:11:51pm

re: #377 formercorpsman

If there are any Hillary=Bush signs in Denver, it will really cheese off the scorned woman voting bloc.

388 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:12:36pm
389 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:12:37pm

re: #360 Catttt

But potential First Ladies can contribute - or not. Think Mrs. Heinz-Kerry. She was imho not helpful to Senator Kerry in oh so many little ways.

The other thing to keep in mind is that Mrs. Obama has involved herself in the campaign in a way that to many makes her fair game. That makes it a whole different ball game.

I don't know if Theresa Heinz hurt or helped his Kerry's campaign.

Michelle Obama's fair game absolutely! I fear only that many may focus political attacks on her, and attacks against the spouse of the candidate don't necessarily work.

390 realwest  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:12:38pm

re: #351 DoubleU Hey want do you mean if Hillary leaves? What, leaves the Dem party and runs a third party candidacy? I don't think there's ANY chance of that happening, at all.

391 formercorpsman  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:13:12pm

re: #387 Mich-again

It warms the cackles of my heart.

392 David Simon  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:13:14pm

re: #310 tokyobk

I believe Obama is a formidable candidate and has genius qualities in terms of political intuition.

Genius is too strong a word. He's a bright guy who's black. And to his followers, that's good enough. Nothing else matters.

393 Opilio  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:13:48pm

re: #348 realwest

"I want to watch a complete Kozland meltdown. If that makes me a bad person, so be it."
Who on earth would say that makes you a bad person (other than Markos and the koskids, I mean)?!?

To derive satisfaction from observing the mental anguish of others is part of Human nature, but not something I'd put on my resume.

394 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:14:02pm

re: #385 solomonpanting

McGovern, Carter*, Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, Kerry, Obama...
If this were a baseball team they'd be less than the '62 Mets.

*notwithstanding his '76 win

Carter only won because Gerald Ford did the right thing in pardoning Nixon. Ford knew it would cost him.

395 Steffan  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:14:42pm

re: #219 Honorary Yooper

Actually, I think he got one. So he's something like 1 for 22 or so. It's still a rotten batting average, but not entirely hopeless.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

396 Ma Sands  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:14:48pm

re: #381 Catttt

I am sad, I forgot you had a site......thanks for re-reminding me.....I will be browsing in there..... :)

397 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:15:38pm
398 NY Nana  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:16:08pm

re: #220 formercorpsman

The only problem Nana, is that message was directly for the Jewish voters in her state.

They bought it, IIRC, she had a pretty good turnout for this block when she was elected as Senator.

And as a New Yorker, I was even more livid. Why my fellow Jews vote for someone like Carter, Bubba, Shrillary, et al? Not a clue!

My last vote, as a Demonrat, was Carter the Jew hater...and a few months into his term, we left the Demonrats, and never looked back. We were indies, which in NYS precludes voting in a primary, so we became registered Republicans in time to vote in the primary of 2000.

Old habits die hard, but the idea of Jews voting for a Demonrat, as the party has changed so much, and now is not hospitable to Jews, where Lieberman was Albore's lap dog?

If they do not heed a wake up call, then they will find out in a very hard way just how deluded they were.

399 jamsler  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:16:27pm

Methinks someone useth yon Shakesperian insulter.....

Thou mammering tardy-gaited bladder!

400 Syrah  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:16:45pm

Dang.

I go out for a walk on the beach and everybody gets thrown under the bus, even Hill.

It's going to be an interesting election.

401 formercorpsman  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:16:47pm

re: #389 unrealizedviewpoint

Man, I would have a hard time thinking she helped Kerry in the public eye.

Perhaps behind the scenes networking, but that chick was fit to be tied.

There is no doubt in my mind, when Joe six-pack turned on his boob tube for the night, and she was on screen, he just cringed at the sight of her.

She had a wild look in her eye.

402 DesertSage  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:16:54pm

re: #395 Steffan

Actually, I think he got one. So he's something like 1 for 22 or so. It's still a rotten batting average, but not entirely hopeless.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

He's only 1 for 22?
He better get another one right fast, or he'll be worse than the clock.

403 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:17:05pm

re: #397 savage_nation

I'll be there! I was promised a load from the boss.

The dems ordered the horse manure already?

404 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:17:22pm
405 Opilio  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:17:29pm

re: #382 Kosh's Shadow

It's life, Jim, but not as we know it.

A StarTrekkin' (Dr. Demento) reference?

406 tokyobk  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:17:49pm

re: #392 David Simon

Genius is too strong a word. He's a bright guy who's black. And to his followers, that's good enough. Nothing else matters.


I strongly disagree with this.

All of the crop of bright "gonna be the first black president," meaning Cory Booker, Harold Ford and several others have had white fans swoon when they speak a full sentence in standard English.

Obama has shown himself as something much, much more than that and he also believed that it was time to run against the Clintons as none of the other Great Black Hopes dared.

Obama is much more of a man of his own creation than some here give him credit and while using white guilt to his favor is much more than just that. Let us see.

Anyway, good day Lizards!

407 Mich-again  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:17:53pm

re: #391 formercorpsman

It warms the cackles of my heart.

Then this will warm your sub coccle area.. I'm an arsehole!

408 Sharmuta  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:18:11pm

re: #384 wolfie

I agree w/ you.
I am confident that McCain will leave the criticism for someone else, BTW.
Michelle can hurt Obama BADLY.

I think she can totally hurt him, and tossing her under the bus would be just as bad as keeping her, if not worse.

409 looking closely  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:19:12pm

re: #389 unrealizedviewpoint

I don't know if Theresa Heinz hurt or helped his Kerry's campaign.

Michelle Obama's fair game absolutely! I fear only that many may focus political attacks on her, and attacks against the spouse of the candidate don't necessarily work.

Let's say she said "Whitey".
Let's say it was captured on videotape.
Let's say it even seemed to be in anger.

SO WHAT?

If Obama can spin his way out of a 20+ year association with Wright, he can spin his way out of that one. He's already established that Black racism is acceptable "in context".

Michelle Obama will apologize, claim she was angry, or that the remarks were taken out of context.

Barack Obama will say that he isn't his wife, and that she isn't running for office, and has already apologized, so what's the big deal and why do you keep beating on my wife, (you goddamn racists).

So I don't know how badly this will hurt him. Anyone who would still be willing to vote for him after the Wright mess would probably still be willing to do so after a gaffe like this on his wife's part.

410 NY Nana  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:19:51pm

re: #400 Syrah

That'll teach you to go to the beach! ;)

411 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:20:08pm

re: #401 formercorpsman

Man, I would have a hard time thinking she helped Kerry in the public eye.

Perhaps behind the scenes networking, but that chick was fit to be tied.

There is no doubt in my mind, when Joe six-pack turned on his boob tube for the night, and she was on screen, he just cringed at the sight of her.

She had a wild look in her eye.

Well me too! But I was already against Kerry, and that was years before I even heard his name spoken. I believe I may have been predisposed to dislike the witch.

412 republic  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:20:21pm

OT

Another "moderate" muslim outburst,

Madrassa teacher beats boy to deathPublished: Saturday, 31 May, 2008, 01:59 AM Doha Time

MULTAN: A blind seven-year-old student at an Islamic school in eastern Pakistan has died after his teacher punished him for not learning the Qur’an, police said yesterday.
Mohammed Atif was hung upside down from a ceiling fan and severely beaten by his teacher, Qari Ziauddin, at the seminary or madrassa in Vihari, near Lahore on Thursday, they said.
Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani had ordered an inquiry into the death, an official statement said.
“The prime minister has expressed his deep sorrow and concern over the tragic death of Mohammed Atif, who reportedly died as a result of corporal punishment by his teacher,” the statement said.
The police said the teacher had been arrested on charges of torturing and murdering the boy.
“Qari Ziauddin, who teaches Qur’an to boys in Qari Latif Islamic school, hanged Atif upside down with a ceiling fan in the school after beating him with sticks, which caused his death,” local police official Akram Niazi told AFP.
The teacher also failed to take the boy to hospital after he fell ill and his condition deteriorated, he said.
The police said a postmortem report also confirmed physical torture as the cause of death.
Pakistan’s 13,000 registered madrassas offer free schooling and board to hundreds of thousands of poor children in this devout nation, but some have also been linked to Islamic extremism. – AFP

Sub human barbarians!

413 yenta-fada  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:20:58pm

re: #280 Killian Bundy

I have no doubt that Michelle blames white people for the problems of blacks, not to mention her inability to transcend color as the defining characteristic of a human being. What mother would allow her children to be brainwashed with race hatred during their formative years? Having it on video is handy, but it should be obvious by now. Love and respect are reserved for black people at TUCC.

414 wolfie  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:21:27pm

re: #408 Sharmuta

I think she can totally hurt him, and tossing her under the bus would be just as bad as keeping her, if not worse.

He CAN'T toss her under the bus anymore than Bill could toss Hillary or Hillary could toss Bill. No can do!
Besides, I have a feeling Michelle would bite the tires!

415 realwest  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:22:06pm

re: #393 Opilio Hey my friend, here's a clue for ya: don't put it on your resume!
Seriously, Kos and the kids are the most vile collection of Anti-Semitic, Anti-Americans in the blogosphere, hands down and going away. I have no trouble or problem with wishing them a meltdown. NONE.

416 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:22:17pm

re: #405 Opilio

A StarTrekkin' (Dr. Demento) reference?

Actually, Star Trek used that line.
The Firm used it and other lines for Star Trekkin.

There's Klingons on the starboard bow, starboard bow starboard bow'
Well, scrape them off, Jim!

417 unrealizedviewpoint  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:22:34pm

re: #409 looking closely

Let's say she said "Whitey".
Let's say it was captured on videotape.
Let's say it even seemed to be in anger.

SO WHAT?

If Obama can spin his way out of a 20+ year association with Wright, he can spin his way out of that one. He's already established that Black racism is acceptable "in context".

Michelle Obama will apologize, claim she was angry, or that the remarks were taken out of context.

Barack Obama will say that he isn't his wife, and that she isn't running for office, and has already apologized, so what's the big deal and why do you keep beating on my wife, (you goddamn racists).

So I don't know how badly this will hurt him. Anyone who would still be willing to vote for him after the Wright mess would probably still be willing to do so after a gaffe like this on his wife's part.

Besides they'd probably just again break out the rumor that McCain called his wife a c**t. That'd distract everyone.

418 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:22:44pm
419 Opilio  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:23:30pm

re: #392 David Simon

Genius is too strong a word. He's a bright guy who's black french beige. And to his followers, that's good enough. Nothing else matters.

striving for accuracy.

420 MandyManners  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:23:33pm

memememememememeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

421 Sharmuta  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:24:04pm

re: #400 Syrah

You were ahead of the curve today with that link. I had fun.

422 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:24:08pm

re: #415 realwest

Hey my friend, here's a clue for ya: don't put it on your resume!
Seriously, Kos and the kids are the most vile collection of Anti-Semitic, Anti-Americans in the blogosphere, hands down and going away. I have no trouble or problem with wishing them a meltdown. NONE.

I work with a Kos "kid". He isn't such a kid, and he hasn't turned out to be too anti-Semitic, but I'm watching his posts, now that I figured out his name on the Kos.

423 Syrah  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:24:13pm

re: #410 NY Nana

That'll teach you to go to the beach! ;)


Blue skies.

Gentle breezes.

Sea Shells.

Eagle flights.

Sail boats.

.
.
.
It's important to take a brake from the nuttiness of the world and revel in the small blessings of life.

424 wolfie  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:24:21pm

re: #412 republic

My God, that is sickening. Detestable.

425 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:25:36pm
426 realwest  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:25:44pm

re: #409 looking closely
Yeah, and McCain wouldn't even want the Republican Party in North Carolina to show it as an ad, even in FULL CONTEXT.

427 ContraJihadi  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:26:15pm

Alright, lizards,

Now it's time to say good-bye to all our company...

Tokyobk: we lizards just don't like Obama, it's as plain and as immutable as that. We are not going to pound the troll stamp on you if you point out aspects of his character or approach or political movement that seem charismatic, but please defend and document carefully.

Blue smurfette: when Bacchus flows, a fellow can emit poetry that ordinarily he would restrain, but a solid and sober respect always abide. Happy trails.

No doubt the sorry state of political affairs will have us gathered again soon for more lively discussion.

428 wolfie  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:26:22pm

re: #417 unrealizedviewpoint

Besides they'd probably just again break out the rumor that McCain called his wife a c**t. That'd distract everyone.

You need a job? Ever considered becoming a spin-meister?!
You've got the touch!

429 NY Nana  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:26:51pm

re: #391 formercorpsman

It warms the cackles of my heart.

;)

430 formercorpsman  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:26:53pm

re: #398 NY Nana

From your mouth to.....

It is amazing to think, just 8 years ago, this man was running on the ticket as the VP, and his party has now turned against him.

Obviously, as a gentile, looking in from the outside, I actually understand the history in this country for most Jews voting liberal, or what actually was classical liberalism prior to the left's takeover.

What astounds me now, is to see how many still vote for the party, despite the blatant shift with respect to Israeli policy in their platform, and the willingness to reach out, and legitimize certain nations not only hostile to Israel, under their (Syria, Iran) current leaders, but calling for our destruction as well.

There is a disconnect from primal instinct somewhere.

431 looking closely  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:27:00pm

re: #395 Steffan

Actually, I think he got one. So he's something like 1 for 22 or so. It's still a rotten batting average, but not entirely hopeless.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.


Doesn't a stopped clock get 2 for 24?

In general I'd take 22:1 odds for me in any contest, but I don't think that applies here.

Obama is better than a 22:1 favorite.

If I am reading these odds right, Obama is ahead in the books right now:

[Link: www.sbgglobal.com...]

432 gromster  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:27:06pm

OT question/
I'm trying to view Rush Limbaugh's site, but all I'm getting is a white/blank page. I'm wondering if this is true for everyone, of if it's just my browser/computer?

433 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:27:44pm

re: #409 looking closely

Barack Obama will say that he isn't his wife, and that she isn't running for office, and has already apologized, so what's the big deal and why do you keep beating on my wife, (you goddamn racists).

So I don't know how badly this will hurt him. Anyone who would still be willing to vote for him after the Wright mess would probably still be willing to do so after a gaffe like this on his wife's part.

Here's why it will hurt him- At this time, very few americans are paying attention. They know who's running, but that's about it. They're not like us, who follow this stuff everyday, and know what's said on daily basis.

Once they start paying attention after the conventions, and all of Obama's gaffes and associations those who hate America come to light, he's done. And if this video of his wife exists, forget about throwing her under the bus. He could throw her under a steamroller, and it wouldn't make a difference.

434 Catttt  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:27:52pm

re: #396 Ma Sands

I am sad, I forgot you had a site......thanks for re-reminding me.....I will be browsing in there..... :)

:) That's nice of you - didn't mean to tout myself, though.

Always could use a good inspiration for a vid. The Clinton site had an idea for a bus video - with Senator O throwing one person after another under it. Heh.

435 Killgore Trout  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:27:55pm

Belief-O-Matic
I'm....

1. Secular Humanism (100%)
2. Unitarian Universalism (97%)
3. Liberal Quakers (85%)
4. Theravada Buddhism (85%)


Huh.

436 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:28:06pm

I'm amused by folks saying things like

"Obama's finished!"

or

"He's not electable!"

You all forget that a very large chunk of the electorate - perhaps as much as 49% - has, in short, lost their f-cking minds. We are talking NOT RATIONAL here. You all are trying to pin rational motivation onto the left-wing donkey and it just isn't going to work.

He doesn't have a southern accent, he speaks in complete sentences, he's a leg-tingling shade of sinless, guilt-redeeming brown, and he's going to take all the big bad Evil Greedy White People's money and use it to give lefty Free Stuff out of the goodness of his precious "compassionate" little heart. That's all he needs to promise.

Half of this country votes for the guy who dampens their metaphorical undies and whispers sweet nothings of caring and handouts. It doesn't matter if he's an arrogant, prissy, narcissist, bigoted fool with the street-level common sense of a tree stump... Those voters don't care what he is or isn't, because they don't live in reality, period.

Best to keep that in mind before we start calling him anything other than "Prophet-Elect".

437 Ma Sands  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:28:16pm

re: #420 MandyManners

You remind me of that trait so often, by posting such like that.......thanks --helps me sit on that in myself.....at least a bit..... :)

438 Syrah  Sat, May 31, 2008 9:28:55pm

re: #421 Sharmuta

Lots of fun.

We should get as much