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AP Covering for Obama As Usual

Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 8:43:31 am PDT

The Associated Press’ Tom Raum describes Barack Obama’s leaving Trinity United Church—and conveniently fails to quote Obama’s full statement, leaving out “it’s not a church worthy of denouncing:” The Associated Press: Obama quits Chicago church after long controversy.

ABERDEEN, S.D. (AP) — Barack Obama said Saturday he has resigned his 20-year membership in the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago “with some sadness” in the aftermath of inflammatory remarks by his longtime pastor the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and more recent fiery remarks at the church by another minister.

“This is not a decision I come to lightly ... and it is one I make with some sadness,” he said at a news conference after campaign officials released a letter of resignation sent to the church on Friday.

“I’m not denouncing the church and I’m not interested in people who want me to denounce the church,” he said, adding that the new pastor at Trinity and “the church have been suffering from the attention my campaign has focused on them.”

UPDATE at 6/1/08 8:48:52 am:

The words “worthy of denouncing” show up in only 15 news articles at Google News.

UPDATE at 6/1/08 8:58:09 am:

Here’s the full quote, since the Associated Press doesn’t think you need to know about it: Obama Quits His Church After Months of Criticism - NYTimes.com.

“I’m not denouncing the church, and I’m not interested in people who want me to denounce the church,” he said in response to a question. “It’s not a church worthy of denouncing.”

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1 mama winger  6/01/08 8:44:54 am reply quote

And here we see Obama, making his transformation into the post-Christian candidate.

2 HolyShiiteBatman  6/01/08 8:45:31 am reply quote

Nothing to see here, please move along....

3 Lucius Septimius  6/01/08 8:46:11 am reply quote

We're surprised that the AP would leave out unflattering details?

4 mama winger  6/01/08 8:46:29 am reply quote

Next leg of his spiritual journey, he watches the 1970's TV movie Roots. And starts to investigate the faith of his fathers .......

5 Dianna  6/01/08 8:46:34 am reply quote

A pity to see such weasel words. Even more of a pity to see such weasel-like behavior.

I don't find myself surprised at all, though.

6 mikeinmd  6/01/08 8:47:13 am reply quote
“I’m not denouncing the church and I’m not interested in people who want me to denounce the church,” he said, adding that the new pastor at Trinity and “the church have been suffering from the attention my campaign has focused on them.”

Uh, that's called reaping what you sow.

7 mean Gene  6/01/08 8:47:41 am reply quote

Well, you can't expect the AP to report a whole quote, can you?
Are they a news group?

8 Lucius Septimius  6/01/08 8:47:52 am reply quote

re: #1 mama winger

And here we see Obama, making his transformation into the post-Christian candidate.

Perhaps -- there is a big wing of the party that he would have to be "post-Christian" to court. Then again, that same sort find something delightfully quaint about Black "spirituality," so it wouldn't have made any difference among the hard-core "post Christian" left.

BTW, I recently learned that the whole "broom jumping" thing in marriage is actually a Welsh custom.

9 gop_patriot  6/01/08 8:47:55 am reply quote
“I’m not denouncing the church and I’m not interested in people who want me to denounce the church,” he said, adding that the new pastor at Trinity and “the church have been suffering from the attention my campaign has focused on them.”


Er, the church has been suffering because of the racist, hateful rantings of it's pastor... although, I suppose you, Obama, are a little responsible for the light shining on them right now. It's tough when your little hateful secrets are exposed.

10 MandyManners  6/01/08 8:48:19 am reply quote
in the aftermath of inflammatory remarks by his longtime pastor the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and more recent fiery remarks at the church by another minister.

This tries to paint it as a new thing.

11 Lucius Septimius  6/01/08 8:48:24 am reply quote

re: #5 Dianna

A pity to see such weasel words. Even more of a pity to see such weasel-like behavior.

Not weasel -- "mink"

12 TTMSHU  6/01/08 8:48:38 am reply quote

Did he simply preempt the church?

13 mama winger  6/01/08 8:48:49 am reply quote

re: #8 Lucius Septimius

Perhaps -- there is a big wing of the party that he would have to be "post-Christian" to court. Then again, that same sort find something delightfully quaint about Black "spirituality," so it wouldn't have made any difference among the hard-core "post Christian" left.

BTW, I recently learned that the whole "broom jumping" thing in marriage is actually a Welsh custom.

He could also court the Black population that is NOI.

Welsh, eh ? Funny. :)

14 Ward Cleaver  6/01/08 8:49:06 am reply quote

I can't wait 'til he has to throw Michelle under the bus. That's gonna be awkward.

15 leboaz  6/01/08 8:49:15 am reply quote

Barack's chickenzzz. . . . are comin' home to roost!

16 MandyManners  6/01/08 8:50:05 am reply quote
“I’m not denouncing the church and I’m not interested in people who want me to denounce the church,” he said, adding that the new pastor at Trinity and “the church have been suffering from the attention my campaign has focused on them.”

Where's the wahmbulance?

17 mikeinmd  6/01/08 8:50:12 am reply quote

re: #14 Ward Cleaver

I can't wait 'til he has to throw Michelle under the bus. That's gonna be awkward.

For the first time in MY adult life, I am proud of the Democrat party.

18 William  6/01/08 8:50:22 am reply quote

Maybe I'm crazy, but there are 80,000+ dead from a cyclone in Burma, 90,000+ dead from an earthquake in China, and all the "mainstream" media can talk about for weeks and months is the US election?

These are the biggest stories this year.

19 Nevergiveup  6/01/08 8:50:40 am reply quote

re: #14 Ward Cleaver

I can't wait 'til he has to throw Michelle under the bus. That's gonna be awkward.

With the grip she has his "lizard" that might be a tad difficult to do. Stupid she ain't.

20 MandyManners  6/01/08 8:50:48 am reply quote

re: #14 Ward Cleaver

I can't wait 'til he has to throw Michelle under the bus. That's gonna be awkward.

She'll whack him with her waffle iron.

21 EC Marm  6/01/08 8:51:11 am reply quote
“We had reporters grabbing church bulletins and calling up the sick and the shut-in,” he said.


Damn reporters "hounding people" in order to determine the truth. If I had a whacked out Priest spouting nonsense and a reporter called me, would I be able to claim I was being "hounded"?
Another very bad symptom of a pathology.

22 kyros  6/01/08 8:51:16 am reply quote

"because it is a church not worth denouncing"

This guy is really out there.

23 RickZ  6/01/08 8:51:37 am reply quote
"It's clear that now that I'm a candidate for president, every time something is said in the church by anyone associated with Trinity, inlcuding guest pastors, the remarks will imputed to me even if they totally conflict with my longheld views, statements and principles," he said.

Yeah, right, Tommy Boy. Why can't these urinalist dolts just admit that the Obama sat there in a pew in that 'church' for 20 years, found nothing wrong with its message until it got onto the 'net, leaves said 'church', but still thinks his 'church' is not wrong. That the only problem with his 'church' is that now he is running for Grand Poobah President and xreates too many distractions.

As has been said many times, it really is unbelievable how far the Obama has gotten this campaigning season. I'm now convinced that calling The Obama an empty suit is an insult to tailors everywhere.

24 mama winger  6/01/08 8:52:26 am reply quote

Many presidents and presidential candidates have given up attending church because of the disruption it caused their congregations. However, I do not recall anyone ever deciding to cancel their church membership over it. He could have simply decided not to attend anymore.

25 Sizzlack  6/01/08 8:52:44 am reply quote

I myself and not concerned about the usual AP bias here. You can be sure the RNC's file on Obama just keeps getting bigger and bigger everyday, and come September you can be sure we will all be seeing the video of him saying "it is not a church worthy of denouncing" many many times. Keep it up Obama, you seem like the gift that just keeps on giving.

26 MandyManners  6/01/08 8:52:53 am reply quote

re: #22 kyros

"because it is a church not worth denouncing"

This guy is really out there.

Is he saying overall that it's a good church that doesn't deserve the scorn or, that it's so bad that it's beneath contempt?

27 alegrias  6/01/08 8:53:26 am reply quote

re: #1 mama winger

And here we see Obama, making his transformation into the post-Christian candidate.

* * *
Sorry you think there was Christianity happening in that strange house of "worship." The videos looked more like a crazy Munich beer hall with power crazy drunks giving speeches, than any church I've known.

28 ladycatnip  6/01/08 8:54:09 am reply quote

Now that he's officially leaving, he's free to join his buddy Farakhan and the muslim brotherhood.

29 MJ  6/01/08 8:54:11 am reply quote

I can't imagine why the same news organization which routinely covers up the atrocities perpetrated by Muslim terrorists- particularly Palestinian terrorists, would feel the need to cover up for Obama.

30 Sizzlack  6/01/08 8:54:19 am reply quote

re: #26 MandyManners

Is he saying overall that it's a good church that doesn't deserve the scorn or, that it's so bad that it's beneath contempt?

Hes saying its the MSM and all of us who are making a big stink out of nothing, and he has no reason to denounce the church. He is leaving them so they can no longer be under the microscope.

31 mama winger  6/01/08 8:54:22 am reply quote

re: #18 William

Maybe I'm crazy, but there are 80,000+ dead from a cyclone in Burma, 90,000+ dead from an earthquake in China, and all the "mainstream" media can talk about for weeks and months is the US election?

These are the biggest stories this year.

The difference is that we as Americans can have very little effect on the two instances you cited. There is little we can do to alter the situation.

We can however alter this one.

32 Dianna  6/01/08 8:54:56 am reply quote

re: #11 Lucius Septimius

Minks are a kind of weasel, aren't they?

33 MandyManners  6/01/08 8:55:05 am reply quote

re: #30 Sizzlack

Hes saying its the MSM and all of us who are making a big stink out of nothing, and he has no reason to denounce the church. He is leaving them so they can no longer be under the microscope.

That's my take.

34 savage_nation[deleted]  6/01/08 8:55:29 am
35 mama winger  6/01/08 8:55:49 am reply quote

re: #27 alegrias

* * *
Sorry you think there was Christianity happening in that strange house of "worship." The videos looked more like a crazy Munich beer hall with power crazy drunks giving speeches, than any church I've known.

Oh, I don't think this church preached the Gospel. What I am saying is that this is an opportunity for Obama to make his break with Christianity, appeal to the post-Christian element of his party, and leave himself open to return to islam.

36 mama winger  6/01/08 8:56:00 am reply quote

re: #34 savage_nation

Meaning Islam!

bingo

37 Sizzlack  6/01/08 8:56:02 am reply quote

re: #33 MandyManners

That's my take.

And when the majority of rational America grasps that...hes going to be in some hot water.

38 BlueCanuck  6/01/08 8:56:03 am reply quote

And the night has come full circle. When will he give up and sit down to finish his waffelling.

/yeah I am stretching,
//and I am out of here time to go home

39 Nevergiveup  6/01/08 8:56:20 am reply quote

"Fears" grow that Obama can't win!
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

Well Not sure if I would use the term "Fears"!

40 rusty_armor  6/01/08 8:56:46 am reply quote

... Can't wait for the counter from his church.

"With sadness we declare Obama an apostate in our fellowship because of his association with known liars, thieves and ... uh ... Democrats."

41 Ma Sands  6/01/08 8:57:02 am reply quote

re: #24 mama winger

Many presidents and presidential candidates have given up attending church because of the disruption it caused their congregations.


Would you have any specifics at all about that.....?

42 Capitalistincharge  6/01/08 8:57:02 am reply quote

Anybody else see the link at Instapundit to Larry Johnson's claim that the other shoe is about to drop on Obama? No word until 0900 tomorrow when a video of Michelle O's Whitey Problem will be posted. Larry Johnson claims this video could be Obama's biggest headache yet. Charles, any idea what this is?

43 Killgore Trout  6/01/08 8:57:03 am reply quote

His quotes are much shorter once you edit out the um's.

44 Dianna  6/01/08 8:57:21 am reply quote

re: #23 RickZ

No, it's an extreme compliment. The suit's so good, no one's looking at the man wearing it.

45 savage_nation[deleted]  6/01/08 8:57:24 am
46 alegrias  6/01/08 8:57:33 am reply quote

re: #18 William

Maybe I'm crazy, but there are 80,000+ dead from a cyclone in Burma, 90,000+ dead from an earthquake in China, and all the "mainstream" media can talk about for weeks and months is the US election?

These are the biggest stories this year.

* * *
Relax, what's there to talk about? As our elites and intellectual media tell us, communists and totalitarians are in control of those countries, they have single-payer health care, no one's ripping off the little people.

Communists will provide for everyone, according to their needs.

(I am being sarcastic and bitter, because millions are dying and suffering under these corrupt communist louts)

47 EC Marm  6/01/08 8:57:35 am reply quote

re: #24 mama winger

Many presidents and presidential candidates have given up attending church because of the disruption it caused their congregations. However, I do not recall anyone ever deciding to cancel their church membership over it. He could have simply decided not to attend anymore.


I wonder if we'll hear a slow transition toward Islam? Like mentioning that Jesus was 'one of the great prophets'. I guess we'll have to wait until January to find out, like he promised.
[clunk]

48 pat  6/01/08 8:57:46 am reply quote

Lunatic escapes asylum. Declares himself cured.

49 mama winger  6/01/08 8:58:06 am reply quote

re: #41 Ma Sands

Would you have any specifics at all about that.....?


Ronald Reagan made that choice too. He rarely attended church while he was President because of the disruption it caused.

50 Ward Cleaver  6/01/08 8:58:06 am reply quote

So what church will he go to now? Or will he not go at all?

He is so full of crap. He spent 20 years there, lapping it all up and saying, "Amen!", and now that the light has been turned on the cockroaches, he casts them off. The guy has no principles.

51 auzerais  6/01/08 8:58:26 am reply quote
“because it is not a church worthy of denouncing”

No, Barack, it is a church not worthy of any presidential candidate's attendance.

52 mama winger  6/01/08 8:58:32 am reply quote

re: #48 pat

Lunatic escapes asylum. Declares himself cured.

Very nice. :)

53 MandyManners  6/01/08 8:58:43 am reply quote

re: #37 Sizzlack

And when the majority of rational America grasps that...hes going to be in some hot water.

Will they have the chance to grasp it? This has all happened on a weekend.

54 DesertSage  6/01/08 8:58:48 am reply quote

re: #27 alegrias

* * *
Sorry you think there was Christianity happening in that strange house of "worship." The videos looked more like a crazy Munich beer hall with power crazy drunks giving speeches, than any church I've known.

What Mama winger was trying to say is that the mega-lib left would rather have a candidate who is non Christian (no matter how he got to that point) as opposed to a candidate of faith.

Whether they were preaching 'Christianity' in the church or not is irrelevant, the fact that they called themselves Church Of Christ is all that matters.

55 pat  6/01/08 8:59:01 am reply quote

Wonder what today's pulpit rant was about?

56 Ma Sands  6/01/08 8:59:03 am reply quote

re: #49 mama winger

Really! Well, thanks. It sounds reasonable.....but I never thought of it before.

57 JammieWearingFool  6/01/08 8:59:11 am reply quote

re: #18 William

Maybe I'm crazy, but there are 80,000+ dead from a cyclone in Burma, 90,000+ dead from an earthquake in China, and all the "mainstream" media can talk about for weeks and months is the US election?

These are the biggest stories this year.

That may be true, but the media is unable to blame those calamities on Bush; hence, less coverage.

58 Lucius Septimius  6/01/08 8:59:33 am reply quote

re: #24 mama winger

Many presidents and presidential candidates have given up attending church because of the disruption it caused their congregations. However, I do not recall anyone ever deciding to cancel their church membership over it. He could have simply decided not to attend anymore.

Well the story has always been that he only joined that particular church in order to increase his "street cred" in Chicago, and even then it was considered to have certain risks -- some people thought the church too "buppified." Regardless, it was a calculated political decision. Likewise his association with that Pfleger nitwit (where is the Inquisition when you need it?)

It won't hurt him among blacks, since they'll spin this as the "oh poor pitiful we; oppressed by the evil White establishment a Black man is forced to sell his birthright for his mess o' political potage, but he's still our man cuz once he's in power he'll whoop up on the oppressors." At the same time, thoughtful voters of any race will have to pause for a moment and wonder about his willingness to toss aside things like religion and family. And more will be tossed aside. Bill Ahlers has got to go at some point; likewise Pfleger (I sense he's already gone).

The more he tosses, the more difficult it will be to maintain the aura (and that's all it's ever been) that he is "different" from other politicians; remember that at the beginning he said the whole problem with politics was cynicism. His actions increasingly reveal him to be the most cynical man in America.

59 jaunte  6/01/08 8:59:44 am reply quote

re: #55 pat

"The Virtue of Loyalty"
/

60 Fritz_Katz  6/01/08 9:00:05 am reply quote

Wayne: We're not worthy!
Garth: Party on, Wayne.

61 JammieWearingFool  6/01/08 9:00:08 am reply quote

re: #42 Capitalistincharge

Anybody else see the link at Instapundit to Larry Johnson's claim that the other shoe is about to drop on Obama? No word until 0900 tomorrow when a video of Michelle O's Whitey Problem will be posted. Larry Johnson claims this video could be Obama's biggest headache yet. Charles, any idea what this is?

The link wasn't working last I checked.

Johnson's hinted at a tape of Michelle Obama in the pulpit at Trinity screaming about Whitey.

62 Lucius Septimius  6/01/08 9:00:11 am reply quote

re: #32 Dianna

Minks are a kind of weasel, aren't they?

But prettier! And it sounds so much better, no?

63 leboaz  6/01/08 9:00:19 am reply quote

re: #57 JammieWearingFool
don't hold your breath

64 itellu3times  6/01/08 9:00:33 am reply quote
“because it is not a church worthy of denouncing:”

Add it to the list for McCain ads October/November.

65 reine.de.tout  6/01/08 9:00:44 am reply quote

re: #39 Nevergiveup

"Fears" grow that Obama can't win!
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

Well Not sure if I would use the term "Fears"!

Heh. The choice to use the term "fears" is telling, isn't it?

66 Sizzlack  6/01/08 9:00:50 am reply quote

re: #53 MandyManners

Will they have the chance to grasp it? This has all happened on a weekend.

Like I said earlier, the RNC is just sitting back and letting their Obama file get bigger and bigger without having to do any work. Rational America might not grasp it this weekend, but you can be sure we will see this speech many times in a variety of commercials that will air before the election. The RNC wont let a 'Flip Flop' of this magnitude pass them by.

67 Dianna  6/01/08 9:00:51 am reply quote

re: #46 alegrias

Every time I think about Burma and China, I start shaking. I'm furious, too.

And if I hear one more of those smarmy Unicef ads, I'm going to throw something.

68 Ward Cleaver  6/01/08 9:00:54 am reply quote

re: #36 mama winger

bingo

And any mosque he joined would be immune from criticism, because of "diversity".

69 MandyManners  6/01/08 9:00:58 am reply quote

re: #58 Lucius Septimius

Well the story has always been that he only joined that particular church in order to increase his "street cred" in Chicago, and even then it was considered to have certain risks -- some people thought the church too "buppified." Regardless, it was a calculated political decision. Likewise his association with that Pfleger nitwit

70 HippieforLife  6/01/08 9:01:54 am reply quote

Once again, it is all about "ME" for Mr. Obama (and I do not mean the Middle East!)

He now thinks he is so important that the sick and shut-ins are being bothered because of him. He is really not as "articulate" as the press would have people believe.

Mr. Obama is just not a strong principled man, nor do I feel like he is honest. I just love how the press like to jump all over President Bush for being egotistical. They are all willing to put a halo around BHO's head and a bullet through GWB's head.

Besides, who knew you had to send a letter of resignation to quit attending a church? Will he get severance pay?

71 savage_nation[deleted]  6/01/08 9:02:16 am
72 MandyManners  6/01/08 9:02:17 am reply quote

re: #66 Sizzlack

Like I said earlier, the RNC is just sitting back and letting their Obama file get bigger and bigger without having to do any work. Rational America might not grasp it this weekend, but you can be sure we will see this speech many times in a variety of commercials that will air before the election. The RNC wont let a 'Flip Flop' of this magnitude pass them by.

Will Sen. McCain let them?

73 bellamags  6/01/08 9:02:33 am reply quote

re: #57 JammieWearingFool

sweet.

74 mama winger  6/01/08 9:02:46 am reply quote

re: #58 Lucius Septimius

I agree. I think when Obama came to Chicago as an outsider, he joined a church that would give him guaranteed access to the agitators in the black community. TUCC was the biggest name out there. He was trying to prove he was a black man rather than a white man. The whole "is he black enough?" thing.

TUCC got him accepted into the community as a black man. It radicalized him when that was what he needed. Now that he needs to play to the middle, he has to blow off the radical black image and appear more mainstream.

Cynical politician. Useful tool.

75 Sizzlack  6/01/08 9:02:52 am reply quote

re: #72 MandyManners

Will Sen. McCain let them?

Whether he likes it or not, it will happen.

76 Ward Cleaver  6/01/08 9:03:17 am reply quote

re: #42 Capitalistincharge

Anybody else see the link at Instapundit to Larry Johnson's claim that the other shoe is about to drop on Obama? No word until 0900 tomorrow when a video of Michelle O's Whitey Problem will be posted. Larry Johnson claims this video could be Obama's biggest headache yet. Charles, any idea what this is?

Larry "Bad Rug" Johnson is usually full of crap, but he might be onto something here.

77 Capitalistincharge  6/01/08 9:03:39 am reply quote

re: #61 JammieWearingFool
Thanks, wonder why we haven't seen it before this if it exists. If true this will be the ultimate hole in Obama's boat. Maybe Hill's peeps have had it and knew they would release before June 3. Hmmmm...Now I have to ask, who is Larry Johnson and is he connected to Hillery.

78 gitarfan  6/01/08 9:03:49 am reply quote

They (the Democrats) have had months to vet this guy and the press refuse to do it. They report only the gaffes they have to and minimize them. I can't wait until he announces his VP. If they can't vet their choice for Prez, what skeletons will the VP have? I can't wait until he has to throw whoever it is under the bus. That will be awkward but the press will keep playing to his victim hood because of all the hopeyness and changyness. The convention will be a mess. I'm on pins and needles!

79 Sizzlack  6/01/08 9:03:53 am reply quote

The RNC hasn't even thrown anything at Obama yet and he is already stuttering and twisting in the wind. It's only gonna get more tough and stressful from here on out. Which bodes very well for McCain, who comes across as far more authentic than Obama at this point.

80 Dianna  6/01/08 9:04:04 am reply quote

re: #62 Lucius Septimius

I think you're right!

You know, of course, that sables are ferrets, and vair and ermine are also furs from weasels and ferrets?

81 Ward Cleaver  6/01/08 9:04:07 am reply quote

re: #67 Dianna

Every time I think about Burma and China, I start shaking. I'm furious, too.

And if I hear one more of those smarmy Unicef ads, I'm going to throw something.

UNICEF sucks. I won't give to them, because they promote abortion.

82 itellu3times  6/01/08 9:04:18 am reply quote

Big fire at Universal City backlot, King Kong ride destroyed, also seems to have consumed most of a video vault.

[Link: abclocal.go.com...]

83 Killgore Trout  6/01/08 9:04:19 am reply quote

Another Obama halo pic.

I like this one too...

Democratic presidential candidate and Senator Barack Obama ooks through a kaleidoscope at a gift shop in Rapid City, South Dakota May 31, 2008.


"ooks". Heh.

84 Roger  6/01/08 9:04:20 am reply quote

re: #50 Ward Cleaver

A DC church.

85 Lucius Septimius  6/01/08 9:04:42 am reply quote

re: #74 mama winger

I met someone who had attended that church for a while when he was in Chicago -- it is really pretty upscale despite the trappings. He got to know Obama while he was there, and after mulling it over, voted for Hillary.

86 yochanan  6/01/08 9:05:29 am reply quote

[Link: hotair.com...]

87 Lucius Septimius  6/01/08 9:05:38 am reply quote

re: #80 Dianna

I think you're right!

You know, of course, that sables are ferrets, and vair and ermine are also furs from weasels and ferrets?

And Wolverines are big ass weasels with nasty tempers.

88 Lucius Septimius  6/01/08 9:06:18 am reply quote

re: #87 Lucius Septimius

I actually think the whole weasel branch of the carnivore family is pretty interesting -- wide range of really cool animals there.

89 mama winger  6/01/08 9:06:24 am reply quote

re: #85 Lucius Septimius

I met someone who had attended that church for a while when he was in Chicago -- it is really pretty upscale despite the trappings. He got to know Obama while he was there, and after mulling it over, voted for Hillary.

Interesting ...... I at one time contemplated a drive down there for a Sunday morning service, but I just couldn't bring myself to do it.

90 MandyManners  6/01/08 9:06:34 am reply quote

re: #75 Sizzlack

Whether he likes it or not, it will happen.

One can be nice only so much and so long.

91 phoenixgirl  6/01/08 9:06:47 am reply quote

re: #86 yochanan

did they allow drinking in there?/

92 alegrias  6/01/08 9:07:28 am reply quote

re: #67 Dianna

Every time I think about Burma and China, I start shaking. I'm furious, too.

And if I hear one more of those smarmy Unicef ads, I'm going to throw something.

* * *
Billions of people are condemned to horrible existence by the democrats' blind "faith" in communism, collectivism, mullah-cracy, etc. One the communists take over, democrats wash their hands of these people and move on to target another American ally, or the American body politic itself.

Democrats & Carter let millions of Cambodians die in Pol Pot's regime, after we left Vietnam, because it was more important to abandon friends and principle than save lives.

Millions have died in the Middle East because Carter let the SHah's regime give way to a WORSE totalitarian regime.

93 Lucius Septimius  6/01/08 9:07:32 am reply quote

re: #89 mama winger

That would be a heck of a drive.

94 Dianna  6/01/08 9:07:52 am reply quote

re: #79 Sizzlack

Authentic, I don't know about. But he sure comes across as tougher, and more thoughtful.

I have appreciated his whacks at Obama's foreign policy notions. They've been marvellous and accurate.

95 MandyManners  6/01/08 9:08:06 am reply quote

re: #83 Killgore Trout

Another

96 DeathtotheSwiss  6/01/08 9:08:12 am reply quote

I went to a Catholic church from birth to the sage of 17-18. I was confirmed, while in a state of confusion about religion, so that my parents wouldn't freak out. I recall broaching the subject to my father...cautiously, that maybe I wasn't ready to be confirmed. Heh, anyways.

Regardless of my present lack of faith, I attended a church that 95% of the time preached positive sermons. There was nothing about politics, there was nothing about pop-culture...just moral lessons and stories designed to instill faith in Jesus. The only time I ever disagreed was when it came down to homosexuality, because the few homosexuals that I knew didn't seem to fit the whole "abomination" rap, and they each claimed a lack of freedom of choice in their status. My thinking then: if homosexuality is morally wrong then why does God make homosexuals?

So, I left the church over one (at the time) disagreement that I could not find a satisfying answer for. One disagreement that to me put into question the validity of everything else (not the wisdom mind you). Obama...as a grown man...has left a church that supposedly goes against all of his core beliefs...after 20 years and only when it became politically expediant.

I'm calling complete bullshit.

97 gibsonz  6/01/08 9:08:15 am reply quote

The MSM... what they don`t report is as powerful as what they do distort report.

98 gop_patriot  6/01/08 9:08:16 am reply quote

re: #83 Killgore Trout

Another Obama halo pic.

Oh, brother. They just can't help themselves, can they? blech.

99 Dianna  6/01/08 9:08:54 am reply quote

re: #81 Ward Cleaver

I won't give to them because the money vanishes into the pockets of bureaucrats and never reaches the people it's supposed to be helping.

100 realwest  6/01/08 9:08:59 am reply quote

Well I've got no excuse for my ignorance on this, having already had two cups of coffee, but is the line “It’s not a church worthy of denouncing.”
what the fuss is all about?!

101 mama winger  6/01/08 9:09:12 am reply quote

re: #96 DeathtotheSwiss

Great post.

102 JammieWearingFool  6/01/08 9:09:14 am reply quote

re: #77 Capitalistincharge

Thanks, wonder why we haven't seen it before this if it exists. If true this will be the ultimate hole in Obama's boat. Maybe Hill's peeps have had it and knew they would release before June 3. Hmmmm...Now I have to ask, who is Larry Johnson and is he connected to Hillery.

Larry Johnson.

His site is generally held in disrepute. I had an episode with someone from there recently. SInce I have no use for Obama and they have no use for Obama, they sought to collaborate. Took one of my Obama posts and ran it verbatim.

103 Killgore Trout  6/01/08 9:09:32 am reply quote

re: #95 MandyManners

Here's another one. These are so common they are surely doing it intentionally.

104 Lucius Septimius  6/01/08 9:09:37 am reply quote

re: #92 alegrias

* * *
Billions of people are condemned to horrible existence by the democrats' blind "faith" in communism, collectivism, mullah-cracy, etc. One the communists take over, democrats wash their hands of these people and move on to target another American ally, or the American body politic itself.

Democrats & Carter let millions of Cambodians die in Pol Pot's regime, after we left Vietnam, because it was more important to abandon friends and principle than save lives.

Millions have died in the Middle East because Carter let the SHah's regime give way to a WORSE totalitarian regime.

Never forget the cardinal rule of the leftist:

Ideas are more important than people.

The purity of the ideology is more important than the lives of individual people since, in the long run of history, the pure ideology will bring the greatest benefits to the greatest numbers. Short term losses are tolerable, and in fact necessary, to actualize the ideology and secure the "common good."

105 Roger  6/01/08 9:09:39 am reply quote

Shuttle launched with the spare toilet pump!

106 itellu3times  6/01/08 9:09:52 am reply quote

re: #100 realwest

Well I've got no excuse for my ignorance on this, having already had two cups of coffee, but is the line “It’s not a church worthy of denouncing.” what the fuss is all about?!

It sounds like another gaffe the MSM is covering up.