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Vanity Fair's Hit Piece on Bill Clinton

Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 9:17:34 pm PDT

Here’s the Vanity Fair article on Bill Clinton’s freaky behavior that was all over the cable channels today: The Comeback Id: Politics & Power: vanityfair.com.

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1 Macker  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:18:28pm

Super Freak?

2 savage_nation[deleted]  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:19:04pm
3 pbird  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:19:29pm

Yawn.

4 rawmuse  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:19:31pm

This is perhaps the most puzzling and uncomfortable thing about the DNC clash for the nomination, how once loyal Clinton supporters have come to hate them, and how easily they do it.

5 Bob in Breckenridge  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:19:46pm

They might want to check into installing a lift kit on that bus.

6 Carridine  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:19:50pm
Who cares about some prohibition on 'the prostitution of art and literature'? I'm an edgy, with-it WRITER!
7 joecitizen  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:20:16pm

as Truman Capote once said,"That's not writing.That's typing."

8 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:21:00pm

What... so Bill Clinton's a Republican now, too?!

9 slokat  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:21:06pm

I always think of him as Mr. Bill in the old SNL clay action bits...

10 talon_262  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:21:07pm

This is the MSM's way of doing to the Hildebeast what they and their fellow liberal travelers think the LGF and the "right-wing" bloggers/media have done to Obama when we call out his and Michelle's odious history.

11 winston06  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:22:08pm

Is Christopher Hitchens behind it? :D

12 Bob in Breckenridge  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:23:10pm

re: #9 slokat

I always think of him as Mr. Bill in the old SNL clay action bits...

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

13 slokat  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:23:21pm

The piece reads like someone heard something, and added other gossip, but didn't have good sources & decided to write it anyhow.

14 schultzw  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:24:10pm

If only Obamaniacs would jump off the bandwagon as fast as he's tossing folks under the bus!

15 Bob in Breckenridge  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:24:25pm

re: #13 slokat

The piece reads like someone heard something, and added other gossip, but didn't have good sources & decided to write it anyhow.

In other words, a typical liberal journalist.

16 slokat  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:25:29pm

re: #14 schultzw

That's scrambling metaphors!

/

17 tripletdad  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:25:38pm

8 pages on Bubba? I'm already sleepy...

18 Bob in Breckenridge  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:26:17pm

re: #17 tripletdad

8 pages on Bubba? I'm already sleepy...

Is it really 8 pages?

19 joecitizen  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:26:27pm

and as I said earlier,he rips off a quote from Alice Roosevelt about daddy Teddy in the 2nd paragraph...with malice aforethought and,of course,without attribution..sure sign of a hack writer that should be hackin' a cab instead...

20 Macker  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:27:05pm

re: #12 Bob in Breckenridge

Oh, that's Secretary of State Sluggo and his new B-1 Bomber!

/Rich_Little

21 gop_patriot  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:28:12pm

re: #3 pbird

Yawn.

Yawn? Hey, this guy could end up as the next "First Man" of the United States of America! Can you imagine the type of scandals that he could end up bringing into the White House? Wait... nevermind.

///

22 Bob in Breckenridge  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:29:04pm

re: #20 Macker

Oh, that's Secretary of State Sluggo and his new B-1 Bomber!

/Rich_Little

LOL..

23 Neo Con since 9-11  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:30:13pm

re: #17 tripletdad

8 pages on Bubba? I'm already sleepy...

Did Fjordman write this thing?

24 looking closely  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:30:24pm

Very interesting article. By implication Clinton hasn't given up his philandering ways (at all). Money quote:

The sensitivity among Clinton’s staff to these questions is such that, after I posed some queries about Clinton’s relationship with Burkle and Co., a spokesman, Jay Carson, e-mailed me this comment: “The ills of the Democratic Party can be seen perfectly in the willingness of fellow Democrats to say bad things about President Clinton. If you ask any Republican about Reagan they will say he still makes the sun rise in the morning, but if you ask Democrats about their only two-term president in 80 years, a man who took the party from the wilderness of loserdom to the White House and created the strongest economy in American history, they’d rather be quoted saying what a reporter wants to hear than protect a strong brand for the party. Republicans look at this behavior and laugh at us.”

25 Bob in Breckenridge  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:30:26pm

re: #21 gop_patriot

Yawn? Hey, this guy could end up as the next "First Man" of the United States of America! Can you imagine the type of scandals that he could end up bringing into the White House? Wait... nevermind.

///

Yep. He could have a loving relationship with Hillary. THAT would be scandalous.

26 savage_nation[deleted]  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:31:25pm
27 Carridine  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:31:29pm

re: #15 Bob in Breckenridge

"Facks? FACKS? We don' need no steenk'n FACKS!"
28 Tarkus289  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:32:13pm

re: #21 gop_patriot

He wants to be called "First Laddie"

29 Bob in Breckenridge  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:33:53pm

re: #27 Carridine

Can I see your badge?

30 pat  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:34:29pm

I will not defend this jackass, but his philandering is likely minimal and very conservative. After his surgery, I think the viagra parties are over.
And Hillary sucking up $11M of their saving must be a downer.

31 Carridine  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:34:34pm

re: #24 looking closely
If "...they’d rather be quoted saying what a reporter wants to hear..." applies to most Democrats today, they ARE in DEEP TROUBLE, Looking.

That symptom is anchorless, unprincipled PANDERING. Pure, simple.

32 Bob in Breckenridge  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:34:35pm

re: #28 Tarkus289

He wants to be called "First Laddie"

The great one, Mark Levin, has it nailed- First Pervert.

33 savage_nation[deleted]  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:35:12pm
34 Racer X  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:35:23pm

L.A. at night.
Live shot from Mt. Wilson.

I got ur carbon footprint right here.

35 Tarkus289  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:35:36pm

re: #32 Bob in Breckenridge

Let us hope it never happens.

36 rawmuse  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:36:35pm

re: #33 savage_nation

Ditto that one. I have shook his hand as well. He is a charmer.

37 pat  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:36:41pm

re: #33 savage_nation

Cool. When I was small, Richard Nixon came over to the house and knocked em back with my parents for hours. I was in my Jammies. He was fun.

38 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:36:52pm

re: #34 Racer X

Wow, that almost looks hellish. :O

/then again we are talking L.A.

39 joecitizen  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:38:11pm

re: #36 rawmuse

Ditto that one. I have shook his hand as well. He is a charmer.


ugh..godonlyknows where that hand has been...

40 Racer X  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:38:28pm

re: #38 BlueCanuck

Wow, that almost looks hellish. :O

/then again we are talking L.A.

I love L.A. !

Don't tell anyone.

41 HelloDare  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:38:35pm

Were they critical earlier, you know, when he was president? When it mattered. Now he's just a single guy running around having fun. What's the harm.

42 Tarkus289  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:38:36pm

re: #37 pat

Very cool, President Ford came to an event across the street from my High School, my friends and I were searching out the Secret Service snipers on the building tops.

43 Bob in Breckenridge  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:38:54pm

re: #35 Tarkus289

Let us hope it never happens.

I agree, but she'd be better than the obamessiah. And think of the fun Leno with BJ Clinton back in the White House!

44 savage_nation[deleted]  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:39:46pm
45 Bob in Breckenridge  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:40:11pm

re: #39 joecitizen

ugh..godonlyknows where that hand has been...

It wasn't on Hillary. That's important.

46 Racer X  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:40:24pm

I guess with the heat getting turned up on the Obamessiah, certain media outlets are looking to deflect attention.

47 jrbaugh  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:40:48pm

It's probably still some vast right-wing conspiracy...

48 Intrepid  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:40:55pm

So does anyone doubt that Bill is philandering while on the campaign trail?

Really?

49 joecitizen  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:41:10pm

re: #45 Bob in Breckenridge

It wasn't on Hillary. That's important.


well,it WAS on Hillary at least once!

50 Bob in Breckenridge  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:41:52pm

re: #37 pat

Cool. When I was small, Richard Nixon came over to the house and knocked em back with my parents for hours. I was in my Jammies. He was fun.

/Another Jammiewearingfool, huh?

51 Racer X  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:42:03pm

re: #47 jrbaugh

It's probably still some vast right-wing conspiracy...

Ixnay on the onspiracy-say.

52 Arbalest  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:42:23pm

If Hillary does somehow manage to win the election, will we see the return of Billy-Beer (or Billy-Wine)?

53 savage_nation[deleted]  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:42:24pm
54 strandedsf  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:42:28pm

I'm not usually one for conspiracy theories, but I think it's a little too convenient that George Soros basically writes and definitely funds Scott McLellan's book to come out before the election. Then Vanity Fair puts out a hit piece on Clinton right when it can hurt Hillary most -- when the superdelegates are going to vote and they need a reminder of her "baggage."

Who is helped by all of this? Why, Soros' protege, BarryO, of course!

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

55 gop_patriot  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:42:53pm

re: #46 Racer X

I guess with the heat getting turned up on the Obamessiah, certain media outlets are looking to deflect attention.

And after the YEARS of press fawning on Bill Clinton, it must be like a kick to the gut for them to read what the MSM is saying about him now.

56 Bob in Breckenridge  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:42:56pm

re: #49 joecitizen

well,it WAS on Hillary at least once!

So they say.

57 Racer X  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:43:00pm

re: #48 Intrepid

So does anyone doubt that Bill is philandering while on the campaign trail?

Really?

Does it look like Hillary is giving any to him?

58 joecitizen  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:43:03pm

re: #52 Arbalest

If Hillary does somehow manage to win the election, will we see the return of Billy-Beer (or Billy-Wine)?

Billy Bone.

59 Bob in Breckenridge  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:43:33pm

re: #53 savage_nation

Good night everyone. Back to work in 6 hours, yuk

Later savage! Be safe! And wear your seatbelt.

60 gop_patriot  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:43:33pm

re: #53 savage_nation

'Night, stay safe! :)

61 JeremyR  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:43:42pm

re: #49 joecitizen

well,it WAS on Hillary at least once!

Nah, Chelsea is Janet Reno's kid. Now you know why she is so uberugly.

62 looking closely  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:43:55pm

re: #30 pat

I will not defend this jackass, but his philandering is likely minimal and very conservative. After his surgery, I think the viagra parties are over.
And Hillary sucking up $11M of their saving must be a downer.

Read the article.
It suggests otherwise.
Apparently Bill's library has been on the receiving end of $30,000,000+ donations, and he's earned $25MM for his book.
The Clintons aren't hurting for cash.

63 JeremyR  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:43:57pm

re: #53 savage_nation

Good night everyone. Back to work in 6 hours, yuk

Goodnight Savage.

64 lostlakehiker  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:45:00pm

The important fact in the article, and it is a fact, is that Clinton traveled to Kazakhstan with this guy who then made a bundle off sweetheart deals with the Tyrant of Kstan, and then donated a bundle to the Clinton library.

Follow the money.

It's not a hit piece. It's long overdue media scrutiny.

65 Carridine  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:45:03pm

re: #62 looking closely
Don't you bash my cash stash! I be giving you the lash, Trash!

66 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:45:13pm

Night savage, see you further down the road.

67 realwest  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:45:52pm

From the link: "In fairness, it should be said that Clinton’s entourage that weekend also included his daughter, Chelsea, and her boyfriend, Marc Mezvinsky, and no one who was there has adduced the slightest evidence that Clinton’s behavior was anything other than proper. Nor, indeed, is there any proof of post-presidential sexual indiscretions on Clinton’s part, despite a steady stream of tabloid speculation and Internet intimations that the Big Dog might be up to his old tricks. On any given visit to London, for example, Clinton is as apt to dine with Tony Blair or Kevin Spacey as with anyone who might raise an eyebrow.

But among the not-so-small cadre of Clinton friends and former aides, concern about the company the boss keeps is persistent, palpable, and pained. No former president of the United States has ever traveled with such a fast crowd, and most 61-year-old American men of Clinton’s generation don’t, either. “I just think those guys are radioactive,” one former aide to Clinton who is still in occasional affectionate touch with him told me recently, referring to Burkle and (to a lesser extent) Bing. “I stay far away from them.”

Another former aide, trusted by Clinton for his good judgment, said, “On the sort of money, women, all that stuff ... I’m the bad guy. All this stuff is kept away from me. Whatever they’re doing, they definitely view me as somebody you cannot confide in.”

I gotta say that few people can do a real hit piece with the flair of Vanity Fair - nothing but innuendo and suppositions, but VF weaves it together, after throwing in the above referenced disclaimer, into making Slick Willie the modern day Caligula -only older than the younger Caligula and with no hint of his screwing his own sister (if indeed Bill has one).
Really shoddy journalism, all dressed up.

68 psyop  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:45:52pm

It is amazing how enthralled people are by the Clintons.

It is almost like the British Royals. People love them as much for their faults and foibles as they do for any sort of ability to lead.

69 Intrepid  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:46:10pm

re: #57 Racer X

Does it look like Hillary is giving any to him?

That aside, Bill Clinton's history regarding his various sexual liasons are on record. Why would he quit now?

70 strandedSF  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:47:20pm

Why do you suppose the media scrutiny was "overdue" until now? Dee Dee Myers has known who and what Clinton is for a long time. Did the Kazakhstan thing just happen last month? I've been hearing about it for over a year. Why did they hold the story until now?

71 looking closely  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:47:47pm

re: #64 lostlakehiker

The important fact in the article, and it is a fact, is that Clinton traveled to Kazakhstan with this guy who then made a bundle off sweetheart deals with the Tyrant of Kstan, and then donated a bundle to the Clinton library.

Follow the money.

It's not a hit piece. It's long overdue media scrutiny.

No difference, in this case.

It *IS* relevant, as the article points out, because Bill's finances are co-mingled with Hilary's and the money he collects from his various panderings can legitimately be viewed as financing her campaign.

72 BingoBunny  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:47:54pm

Bill has aways been a horn dog.. the Democrats practically bragged it up as a great trait when they were in the business of covering up his tramps under the desk. Now they would like to have a election free of the taint.. so they can attack him.. and if Hillary goes down with him.. well a real woman's libber would have DIVORCED him, and stood on her own feet.

73 pat  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:48:15pm

My wife and I were walking out of Kahala Mall a few years ago. And down drives Laura and President Bush. We waved and they came right back at us. Big smile on their faces.

74 realwest  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:48:17pm

re: #48 Intrepid

"So does anyone doubt care that Bill is philandering while on the campaign trail?

Really?"

There, fixed that for ya!

75 Bob in Breckenridge  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:48:38pm

I flew from LA to Chicago sitting next to Joan Rivers in 1997. She actually was really nice. I told her I thought her daughter was really pretty. I wanted to say hot, but couldn't to her Mom.

76 looking closely  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:49:13pm

re: #69 Intrepid

That aside, Bill Clinton's history regarding his various sexual liasons are on record. Why would he quit now?

Mainly because it could cost his wife the Presidency.

(Though at this point, it probably doesn't matter anyway).

77 psyop  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:49:51pm

re: #70 strandedSF

It may be that there are alot of people who want to get back at the Clintons. Sort of a revenge thing, true or not.

McClellan-esque.

78 realwest  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:50:37pm

re: #75 Bob in Breckenridge
Was she funny? Or did she more or less keep to herself?

79 Bob in Breckenridge  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:50:45pm

re: #75 Bob in Breckenridge

I flew from LA to Chicago sitting next to Joan Rivers in 1997. She actually was really nice. I told her I thought her daughter was really pretty. I wanted to say hot, but couldn't to her Mom.

PIMF- 1987.

80 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:50:58pm

re: #69 Intrepid

That aside, Bill Clinton's history regarding his various sexual liasons are on record. Why would he quit now?

I don't think he would. My first husband had an affair during our marriage. After we split up and he married the woman he had the affair with, my biggest consolation was that if he stepped out on me, he would do it to her, too. From my experience and the experiences of friends - once that pattern is there, it tends to stay.

81 Carridine  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:51:35pm

re: #77 psyop Yup! Clintons MADE IT, Psyop, and others have a LOT OF JEALOUSY for Bill & Hill, The Further Adventures of...

82 LeePro  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:51:36pm

re: #72 BingoBunny

Bill has aways been a horn dog.. the Democrats practically bragged it up as a great trait when they were in the business of covering up his tramps under the desk. Now they would like to have a election free of the taint.. so they can attack him.. and if Hillary goes down with him.. well a real woman's libber would have DIVORCED him, and stood on her own feet.

There. FTFY.

~ sheesh!

83 funky chicken  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:52:34pm

re: #54 strandedsf

I'm not usually one for conspiracy theories, but I think it's a little too convenient that George Soros basically writes and definitely funds Scott McLellan's book to come out before the election. Then Vanity Fair puts out a hit piece on Clinton right when it can hurt Hillary most -- when the superdelegates are going to vote and they need a reminder of her "baggage."

Who is helped by all of this? Why, Soros' protege, BarryO, of course!

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

I hope it backfires on Soros in a big way. I hope it costs him tons of money (good for the economy to get it out of his offshore accoutants and into the pockets of even loathsome Americans like McClellan) but gets him a humiliating defeat for his favorite guy.

84 coquimbojoe  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:52:41pm

I would love to see a reporter ask Hillary! if she thought her husband's pardoning of Puerto Rican terrorists helped her in the primary? I think it is a valid question.

85 Bob in Breckenridge  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:52:53pm

re: #78 realwest

Was she funny? Or did she more or less keep to herself?

Not really. We just had the usual conversations people have on planes. The only reason I sat next to her was because I was working for AA at the time, so I was flying first class.

86 JeremyR  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:52:54pm

re: #80 reine.de.tout

I don't think he would. My first husband had an affair during our marriage. After we split up and he married the woman he had the affair with, my biggest consolation was that if he stepped out on me, he would do it to her, too. From my experience and the experiences of friends - once that pattern is there, it tends to stay.

We had a cop back home who was in that situation. One night his new wife caught him in the back of the patrol car going at it. His retort was "I was cheating when I met you, what made you think I'd change?"

87 realwest  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:53:18pm

re: #77 psyop I agree with you - while they were President, Hillary in particular, was known for her take no prisoners approach to politics and made a hell of a lot of enemies.
But I'll say this - they are scared shitless that she'll get the Nomination and win POTUS, cause she has a loooong memory and her in-born vindictiveness would make pay-back a real bitch!

88 slokat  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:53:28pm
89 Adrenalyn  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:53:32pm

Bill Clinton "The comespot kid"
not the comeback id

there, fixed that for you
though my spelling is more pc than it should be


...trying to avoid a visit from Stinky tonight

90 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:53:58pm

re: #86 JeremyR

We had a cop back home who was in that situation. One night his new wife caught him in the back of the patrol car going at it. His retort was "I was cheating when I met you, what made you think I'd change?"

Eggzackly.

91 Bob in Breckenridge  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:54:21pm

I was on a flight with Martin Sheen. She was right in front of me.

92 coquimbojoe  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:54:28pm

re: #80 reine.de.tout

I don't think he would. My first husband had an affair during our marriage. After we split up and he married the woman he had the affair with, my biggest consolation was that if he stepped out on me, he would do it to her, too. From my experience and the experiences of friends - once that pattern is there, it tends to stay.

As a married man with kids, I ask: How does one find the time and energy?

93 Lively  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:54:47pm

I saw Hulk Hogan at the airport in Tampa.

94 DesertSage  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:54:55pm

re: #34 Racer X

L.A. at night.
Live shot from Mt. Wilson.

I got ur carbon footprint right here.

Down in the lower left corner, six lights up and eight to the right....that's my house.

95 Yankee Division Son  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:55:28pm

Only took them what.. 12, 13 years to catch on?

96 Adrenalyn  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:57:18pm

re: #83 funky chicken

I hope it backfires on Soros in a big way. I hope it costs him tons of money (good for the economy to get it out of his offshore accoutants and into the pockets of even loathsome Americans like McClellan) but gets him a humiliating defeat for his favorite guy.

I think it is too early in the general election cycle for this book to hurt McCain by "implicating" Bush

were this released 2 weeks before the general
and the MSM willingly and gladly dished it
shit, McCain would have a hard time distancing himself from Bush that close to the election

but this should not hurt him at all come November

97 Lively  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:57:21pm

Dee Dee Myers' husband wrote this piece, eh? I bet this guy ate dinner, socialized with Clinton since his wife was the press sec. Bill may even feel betrayed.

98 realwest  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:58:07pm

re: #94 DesertSage OH yeah! I can see it clear as night! LOL!
How are you doing my friend? PBJ said she and her hubby saw you Friday night and we all said "and you survived"! LOL!


Just kidding about the we all said part!

99 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:58:12pm

re: #92 coquimbojoe

As a married man with kids, I ask: How does one find the time and energy?

Ha!

I actually have a suspicion it comes down to being the difference between a man who is a secure and complete adult and pays attention to those things he is responsible for, and a man who never grew up and pays no attention at all to those things he is responsible for.

100 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:58:51pm

re: #91 Bob in Breckenridge

I was on a flight with Martin Sheen. She was right in front of me.

re: #93 Lively

I saw Hulk Hogan at the airport in Tampa.

I've never seen anybody.

101 Adrenalyn  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:58:55pm

re: #91 Bob in Breckenridge

I was on a flight with Martin Sheen. She was right in front of me.

would have been hard to resist giving him a piano lesson
I think some folks might say

there's a piece of Hollywood trash if there ever was
the biggest moonbat of the baby boomers
if you ask me

102 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:59:43pm

I saw Jake the Snake Roberts eating a steak and drinking wine at a restauraunt I was working at.

103 realwest  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 9:59:49pm

re: #99 reine.de.tout
I agree with you on that. Scary that he was POTUS during some of his fooling around sexual cheating, huh?!

104 psyop  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:00:20pm

re: #87 realwest


But I'll say this - they are scared shitless that she'll get the Nomination and win POTUS, cause she has a loooong memory and her in-born vindictiveness would make pay-back a real bitch!

I think the long memory thing is the reason alot of Super Delegates are still in her corner.

Don't want to be on the wrong side of that family....

105 coquimbojoe  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:00:26pm

re: #99 reine.de.tout

Ha!

I actually have a suspicion it comes down to being the difference between a man who is a secure and complete adult and pays attention to those things he is responsible for, and a man who never grew up and pays no attention at all to those things he is responsible for.

I agree. It may have something to do with having no moral compunction against it either...

106 LeePro  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:00:27pm

re: #78 realwest

Last thread you said

re: #886 realwest

"...which should've been in Memphis New York City! There, fixed that for ya {Lee}!

To which I replied:
Wash yer mouth out with lye soap! ! !

We're talkin' Rock-n-Roll here! Not rap!
Click.
Click.
Click.
Click.
Click.
Click.
Click.

And you're in NC? I'd be watchin' my back, if I were you!

/ ;)

107 The Rebbitzen  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:01:29pm

This article says alot about nothing. The Bob Burkle background was interesting. VF hates Bush and I dropped my subscription, got sick of the ugly one-sided editorials every month. No surprise they would kick Clinton around some more, they had fun with him back in the day.

108 Bob in Breckenridge  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:02:23pm

re: #93 Lively

I saw Hulk Hogan at the airport in Tampa.

I used to go to WWF wrestling at the Rosemont Horizon when I lived in Chicago about 20 years ago. When Hulk Hogan was introduced, they'd claim he was 6'9" tall. When he walked by me, I could see he was no more than maybe 6'4".

109 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:02:48pm

re: #94 DesertSage
My house is right there toward the right side, about 30 houses down. LOL

110 joecitizen  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:03:00pm

re: #106 LeePro

Last thread you said


To which I replied:
Wash yer mouth out with lye soap! ! !

We're talkin' Rock-n-Roll here! Not rap!
Click.
Click.
Click.
Click.
Click.
Click.
Click.

And you're in NC? I'd be watchin' my back, if I were you!

/ ;)

I frankly think it should be in Hibbing,Minnesota but waddayagonnado? goodnight sweet Lizards,may all yer dreams be scaley...

111 DesertSage  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:03:33pm

re: #98 realwest

Hey RW!
Yeah, I hung out with PBJ and Mr. PBJ Friday night....and we all got out of there alive! :')
They're some of the coolest people you can find.

How are you my friend?

112 LeePro  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:04:54pm

re: #80 reine.de.tout

I don't think he would. My first husband had an affair during our marriage. After we split up and he married the woman he had the affair with, my biggest consolation was that if he stepped out on me, he would do it to her, too. From my experience and the experiences of friends - once that pattern is there, it tends to stay.

You are so right! And the crushing pain is no less just because you stop loving the guy.

/ been there... etc.

113 Bob in Breckenridge  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:05:10pm

re: #101 Adrenalyn

would have been hard to resist giving him a piano lesson
I think some folks might say

there's a piece of Hollywood trash if there ever was
the biggest moonbat of the baby boomers
if you ask me

This was in '87 or '88. I wasn't into politics at the time, other than voting for President Reagan.

114 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:05:28pm

re: #103 realwest

I agree with you on that. Scary that he was POTUS during some of his fooling around sexual cheating, huh?!

Yes indeedy, and that, for me, was what the entire issue was about. Nobody cared about his "private life", except that as president, he was a public person, and any part of his private live that reflected on his abilities as a public person was indeed something people needed to know about.

What was so amazing to me was that so many people did not seem to care that his behavior was so obviously the behavior of an immature adolescent rather than a grown man - and then on top of that, this immature adolescent was the President of the most powerful country on the face of the earth!

How could an immature adolescent have the judgment necessary to run this country the way it needed to be run? Answer, of course - an immature adolescent wouldn't have a mature level of judgment.

115 DesertSage  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:05:53pm

re: #109 Pvt Bin Jammin

I went to the Conrad Bldg tonight. Didn't see you :'(

116 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:05:57pm

re: #111 DesertSage
Why thank you, Sage. You are about as nice as they come as well.

117 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:06:21pm

re: #105 coquimbojoe

I agree. It may have something to do with having no moral compunction against it either...

No moral compunction = immature adolescent level of judgment, IMHO.

118 realwest  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:06:42pm

re: #106 LeePro Oh yeah sure, watch my back. HAH! I'm from New YAWK CITY and I ain't afraid of any of youse!
LOL!
Actually Memphis did deserve it more than did Cleavland, but you need to understand that the real START of Rock and Roll was Doo Wop music and that was a New York thing!
Cleaveland had what....a radio DJ and so THEY get the R&R Hall of Fame?
And Memphis sure did give us lots of good music and artists, but they were booed at the Grand Ole Oprey til some smart dude came up with Country Westrn music then y'all started making some great stuff, especially with SUN Records!

119 Macker  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:07:41pm

re: #80 reine.de.tout

And did he?

120 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:08:01pm

re: #115 DesertSage
We don't often go on Sundays but that tall gal called about thirty minutes ago & said everyone was looking for us. LOL She said it was packed.
Mr. BenjJammin is already asleep.....not feeling good.

121 gop_patriot  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:09:08pm

re: #106 LeePro

Go Memphis! Thanks for posting the good stuff; I'm getting tired of seeing my hometown featured on "The First 48"... argh

How are you, Lee? :)
I'm in town, I'll email you tomorrow, if that's OK?

122 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:09:25pm

They're just figuring it out NOW that he's an attention whore?

Talk about behind the curve!

123 realwest  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:10:32pm

re: #106 LeePro And,
"Going back even further, rock and roll can trace one lineage to the old Five Points, Manhattan district of mid-19th century New York City, the scene of the first fusion of heavily rhythmic African shuffles and sand dances with melody-driven European genres, particularly the Irish jig"
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

So there! Thbipt!

124 LeePro  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:10:50pm

re: #94 DesertSage

Down in the lower left corner, six lights up and eight to the right....that's my house.

Got it!
Hi, Sage... : : : waving : : :

Sidebar: another of those interesting shots with twinkly stars in the foreground...

125 Bob in Breckenridge  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:10:54pm

re: #121 gop_patriot

You live in Memphis?

126 DesertSage  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:11:02pm

re: #120 Pvt Bin Jammin

She's not telling you the truth, there was nobody there.

127 LeePro  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:13:18pm

re: #107 The Rebbitzen

This article says alot about nothing. The Bob Burkle background was interesting. VF hates Bush and I dropped my subscription, got sick of the ugly one-sided editorials every month. No surprise they would kick Clinton around some more, they had fun with him back in the day.

You subscribed to Vanity Fair?!?!?!

On purpose? ? ?

128 U.S.S. Nixon  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:13:43pm

Talk about the nail in the coffin huh. Its a pretty good read.. Bill's acting like Hugh Hefner again. And that broad that is an actress hes banging is pretty hot if its the one I saw at wiki.

129 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:13:55pm

re: #126 DesertSage
She is kind of a weirod.....probably was trying to get us down there to ask some favor. She invited herself to the end of the birthday party last night and ate three pieces of cake. LOL Scared the birthday boy away.

130 realwest  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:14:00pm

Well y'all it's been grand as usual but I gotta get some sleep!
I hope all of you have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you down the road.

Goodnight, all.

131 DesertSage  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:14:17pm

re: #124 LeePro

Hi Lee!

: : : waving back : : :

132 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:14:43pm

re: #130 realwest


Good night, Realwest, weet dreams.

133 Bob in Breckenridge  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:15:06pm

re: #128 U.S.S. Nixon

Talk about the nail in the coffin huh. Its a pretty good read.. Bill's acting like Hugh Hefner again. And that broad that is an actress hes banging is pretty hot if its the one I saw at wiki.

Who?

134 Bob in Breckenridge  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:15:33pm

re: #130 realwest

Well y'all it's been grand as usual but I gotta get some sleep!
I hope all of you have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you down the road.

Goodnight, all.

Take care, rw...

135 DesertSage  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:15:33pm

re: #130 realwest

Weet Dreams RW!

136 The Rebbitzen  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:15:34pm

#127 LeePro
My DH subscribed to a multi-year subscription for me long ago. I like the fashions and the articles. I can't read it anymore, my blood pressure goes through the roof. Grayson Carter is a dick.

137 Adrenalyn  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:15:53pm

re: #113 Bob in Breckenridge

This was in '87 or '88. I wasn't into politics at the time, other than voting for President Reagan.

I have a great Reagan story from 1980
but can't tell it online
as it gives away too much about me

but I remember Martin Sheen from way back
I don't remember any other Holloywood idiots before him
to be perfectly honest

he even goes before ED Assner

138 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:16:15pm

I don't know- I think it's pretty clintonesque of VF to be promoting angelina's breasts as much as they are on this one page about clinton. Really- VF- give me a break.

139 gop_patriot  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:16:27pm

re: #125 Bob in Breckenridge

You live in Memphis?

Not at the moment. :) I'm in Arkansas right now; but I was born and raised in Memphis, and both my family and my husband's family live here.

140 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:17:46pm

re: #127 LeePro
Hi LeePro. Have you had a big juicy steak yet?

141 U.S.S. Nixon  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:17:58pm

re: #133 Bob in Breckenridge

Who?

Gina Gershon


[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

142 wolfie  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:21:44pm

re: #84 coquimbojoe

I would love to see a reporter ask Hillary! if she thought her husband's pardoning of Puerto Rican terrorists helped her in the primary? I think it is a valid question.

Hillary won 2 to 1 against Obama because P Ricans love terrorists.
Ooooookay.
/

143 Bob in Breckenridge  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:21:54pm

re: #139 gop_patriot

Not at the moment. :) I'm in Arkansas right now; but I was born and raised in Memphis, and both my family and my husband's family live here.

When I was stationed at NAS Memphis in Millington, TN, we went to the pub crawl on Beale street in 1982. All I remember is WOW! I remember going into Wink Martindale's bar and getting a "drink" served to me in a gallon paint can. I then ended up in the stall of a public bathroom with some girl I never from or saw after that night. There were thousands of us there...Is it still like that?

144 gop_patriot  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:22:15pm

re: #138 Sharmuta

Appropriately inappropriate...

145 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:23:23pm

re: #119 Macker

And did he?

yep.

146 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:23:53pm

re: #144 gop_patriot

Overexposing the overexposed.

147 DesertSage  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:26:52pm

re: #141 U.S.S. Nixon

Gina Gershon - Pretty Girls On Prozac

'nite everyone.

148 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:27:32pm

re: #147 DesertSage

Nite, Sage. See you soon.

149 LeePro  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:28:07pm

re: #118 realwest

LOL
Just sayin' where you are now best not say that out loud!

Over here, we got Sun Studios, Stax Records. We got Elvis, Carl Perkins, Brenda Lee, BB King, W.C. Handy, the BeeGees, Rufus Thomas, Isaac Hayes, and on and on and on.................

150 pegcity  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:28:12pm

re: #107 The Rebbitzen

couldn't agree more

any article about bush is summed up like "chimpymchitlerbush is a moron"

151 Carridine  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:28:58pm

re: #114 reine.de.tout
And the facts bear out your observation, Reine, that immature adolescent did NOT have what it took, and America had to make what progress it could, mostly WITHOUT Clinton's guidance, help or direction.

152 LeePro  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:30:15pm

re: #121 gop_patriot

Go Memphis! Thanks for posting the good stuff; I'm getting tired of seeing my hometown featured on "The First 48"... argh

How are you, Lee? :)
I'm in town, I'll email you tomorrow, if that's OK?

(if that's ok?)

Of course that's ok! Got time for coupla' gallons of coffee?

153 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:30:52pm

re: #146 Sharmuta

Overexposing the overexposed.

Indeed and she's not even looking that great.

I hate to sound like a prude but I'm bothered about the Hannah Montana pics too. Her following includes a lot of preschool girls. Moving to fast IMHO.

154 coquimbojoe  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:31:12pm

Goodnight peoples....

155 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:31:46pm

re: #154 coquimbojoe
Good night. Weet dreams to ya.

156 Bob in Breckenridge  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:31:47pm

re: #141 U.S.S. Nixon

After seeing your nic I thought I'd see if there was a ship named after Presidents Nixon or Ford. There isn't. Yet there's a submarine named after that piece of fuckin' shit Carter...Pisses me off. Both Nixon and Ford were officers in the U.S. Navy during WW2 like that POS Carter.

157 pegcity  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:32:23pm

re: #108 Bob in Breckenridge

i saw Prince at the airport in toronto, smallest guy ever, not one person paid any attention to him, what was strange was he had no security around him at all, we followed him outside and he got into a limo with 4 bodyguards around it.

158 haakondahl  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:32:38pm

That Vanity Fair piece is trash. Is VF some kind of gossip rag? I don't like seeing this sort of unsupported innuendo in print, no matter who the target is.
I stopped reading somewhere on the fourth page.
Don't get me wrong--I'd love to see somebody hammer the former President for his childish behavior, this guy's just throwing hammers--not a nail in sight.

159 Carridine  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:33:16pm

re: #153 Pvt Bin Jammin

Indeed and she's not even looking that great.

I hate to sound like a prude but I'm bothered about the Hannah Montana pics too. Her following includes a lot of preschool girls. Moving to fast IMHO.

I share THAT concern... we can have sexually mature females (or males) at age 7 or 8 if we want to let/make them eat the meds...

But it takes 18 years to get an 18-year-old's beginning takes on what the world is all about...

Gotta go. BBIAW, no longer as Mister C, but Doctor K

160 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:33:30pm

re: #151 Carridine

And the facts bear out your observation, Reine, that immature adolescent did NOT have what it took, and America had to make what progress it could, mostly WITHOUT Clinton's guidance, help or direction.

Yes, and I thank you for finishing the thought started in my 114, I never quite finish summing up my thoughts.

But . . . why did you bold my name?

161 gop_patriot  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:33:48pm

re: #143 Bob in Breckenridge

When I was stationed at NAS Memphis in Millington, TN, we went to the pub crawl on Beale street in 1982. All I remember is WOW! I remember going into Wink Martindale's bar and getting a "drink" served to me in a gallon paint can. I then ended up in the stall of a public bathroom with some girl I never from or saw after that night. There were thousands of us there...Is it still like that?

Not sure what the Pub Crawl is like these days... but the whole thing is not as much fun a it used to be, imho. It has gotten really touristy and neon-ish down there, and apparently you can't drink on the street like you used to (haven't been in a while). When I was in my 20s, (late 80s) I went to a festival down there and got served a Long Island Iced Tea right on the street, in something like a 36 oz plastic cup with a handle. LOL Well maybe 30 oz. It's not as gritty as it used to be, crime's gone up so they're way more strict. Different atmosphere. Great music though! :)

162 Bob in Breckenridge  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:34:09pm

re: #157 pegcity

i saw Prince at the airport in toronto, smallest guy ever, not one person paid any attention to him, what was strange was he had no security around him at all, we followed him outside and he got into a limo with 4 bodyguards around it.

How long ago?

163 pegcity  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:34:17pm

re: #158 haakondahl

Vanity Fair is a magazine for people who don't read books but want too feel smart.

164 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:34:25pm

re: #157 pegcity

Apparently he has a mansion up in the Bridal Path area, so that's probably where he was headed.

/Big beautiful homes, with a few ugly 70's style WTF were they thinking. :)

165 haakondahl  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:34:31pm

re: #153 Pvt Bin Jammin

Indeed and she's not even looking that great.

I hate to sound like a prude but I'm bothered about the Hannah Montana pics too. Her following includes a lot of preschool girls. Moving to fast IMHO.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Vanity Fair publishing racy photos of a 15 year old girl in a state of undress? Nothing prudish about finding that creepy as all Hell.

166 pegcity  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:34:45pm

re: #162 Bob in Breckenridge

2001 i was leaving to go to Israel.

167 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:34:52pm

re: #159 Carridine
Have a great day!

168 pegcity  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:35:32pm

re: #165 haakondahl

naked Pregnant Demi moore, nuff said

169 gop_patriot  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:35:55pm

re: #152 LeePro

Yep, cool! :) I'll holler at ya tomorrow.

170 Carridine  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:36:07pm

re: #160 reine.de.tout
Ma'am, its my quirky way of showing respect AND helping your eye identify your nic in the stream of comments on-screen...

You know, Reine, I had a similar question/problem with Behemoth about 2 nites ago... :D

/I'm courteous and mild, with no bitter aftertaste

171 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:36:38pm

re: #165 haakondahl
It's sick. You can't believe the number of little tiny kids that want to grow up to be like her. Brittney Spears did the same thing. /Lovely role models we have these days.

172 talon_262  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:37:14pm

re: #156 Bob in Breckenridge

After seeing your nic I thought I'd see if there was a ship named after Presidents Nixon or Ford. There isn't. Yet there's a submarine named after that piece of fuckin' shit Carter...Pisses me off. Both Nixon and Ford were officers in the U.S. Navy during WW2 like that POS Carter.

Unfortunately, we'll never USN ships named for Ford or Nixon, regardless of their naval service during WWII, because of Nixon's involvement in Watergate and Ford's subsequent pardoning of Nixon.

173 pegcity  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:37:18pm

God i hope that Michelle Obama clip is for real.

Like to hear Obby try and tell people that his wife railing about whitey is off limits

174 haakondahl  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:38:27pm

re: #168 pegcity

naked Pregnant Demi moore, nuff said

Moore was legally an adult at the time. Tacky, sure, but no problem. Cyrus is just a child.

175 talon_262  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:38:31pm

re: #172 talon_262

PIMF...I meant "we'll never see any USN ships named for Ford or Nixon".

176 pat  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:39:18pm

re: #138 Sharmuta

I don't know- I think it's pretty clintonesque of VF to be promoting angelina's breasts as much as they are on this one page about clinton. Really- VF- give me a break.

In fact it is bizarre. So her breasts got bigger because she is pregnant. Huh? Do these people have lives? Do they function in family units? Are they all teenagers?

177 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:39:36pm

If Vanity Fair can go after the spouse of a candidate, then Michelle is fair game!

I look forward to VF trashing mrs obama next month.... (yeah, right).

178 JustMyView  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:39:38pm

re: #156 Bob in Breckenridge

After seeing your nic I thought I'd see if there was a ship named after Presidents Nixon or Ford. There isn't. Yet there's a submarine named after that piece of fuckin' shit Carter...Pisses me off. Both Nixon and Ford were officers in the U.S. Navy during WW2 like that POS Carter.

An aircraft carrier to be named after Ford will be under construction soon. It's scheduled to be "laid down" in 2009 and commissioned in 2015. Was announced by Rumsfeld at the memorial service for Ford in Grand Rapids, MI.

179 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:39:44pm
180 Bob in Breckenridge  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:39:57pm

re: #161 gop_patriot

Not sure what the Pub Crawl is like these days... but the whole thing is not as much fun a it used to be, imho. It has gotten really touristy and neon-ish down there, and apparently you can't drink on the street like you used to (haven't been in a while). When I was in my 20s, (late 80s) I went to a festival down there and got served a Long Island Iced Tea right on the street, in something like a 36 oz plastic cup with a handle. LOL Well maybe 30 oz. It's not as gritty as it used to be, crime's gone up so they're way more strict. Different atmosphere. Great music though! :)

I figured that would be the case. Back then drunk driving was treated like a speeding ticket, obviously not just in Memphis. But speaking of Long Island Iced Tea, we used to get them in the EM club at NAS Memphis. $1.00 for a 24 ounce paper cup! And our pop machines in our barracks had pop and beer, .50 a can for American beer, and .75 for Moosehead or Heineken.

181 Bob in Breckenridge  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:40:50pm

re: #166 pegcity

2001 i was leaving to go to Israel.

Oh ok, the has-been years. : )

182 haakondahl  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:40:56pm

re: #172 talon_262

Unfortunately, we'll never USN ships named for Ford or Nixon, regardless of their naval service during WWII, because of Nixon's involvement in Watergate and Ford's subsequent pardoning of Nixon.

Yet there is a USS Jimmy Carter. I would resign sooner than serve aboard such a ship. Easy for me to say; my chances of going to a submarine are zero. But it's the thought that counts.

And as much as I loved Ronald Reagan, I think it was a disaster to abandon the long-standing taboo against naming ships for living persons.

183 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:40:59pm

re: #170 Carridine

Ma'am, its my quirky way of showing respect AND helping your eye identify your nic in the stream of comments on-screen...

You know, Reine, I had a similar question/problem with Behemoth about 2 nites ago... :D

/I'm courteous and mild, with no bitter aftertaste

Okey-dokey. thank you!

184 LeePro  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:43:32pm

re: #125 Bob in Breckenridge

You live in Memphis?

Yup!

Well, just east of...in Germantown. Same huge area. Like Dallas/Irving.

185 pat  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:43:57pm

Oh, I think that while Jerry Ford might never be thought of as a great President, that he is remembered as a patriot and a fine, kindhearted, American. There will be a ship.

186 U.S.S. Nixon  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:45:45pm

Ford gets a bad rap. A lot of people think the pardon helped the country move on but even he admitted later on it ruined his chances for the next election.

187 talon_262  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:46:01pm

re: #178 JustMyView

An aircraft carrier to be named after Ford will be under construction soon. It's scheduled to be "laid down" in 2009 and commissioned in 2015. Was announced by Rumsfeld at the memorial service for Ford in Grand Rapids, MI.

I didn't hear that they decided to change the lead boat in the USN's new supercarrier class from the America to the Ford...at least the government is doing something decent and lasting by President Ford, especially after the merciless drubbing he took after pardoning Nixon.

188 JustMyView  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:46:56pm

re: #185 pat

See my #178 re the planned USS Gerald R. Ford.

189 LeePro  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:47:12pm

re: #131 DesertSage

Hi Lee!

I SAW that! I actually saw you waving! And there were little twinkly stars right there in front of you!

OMG, what will Charles think of next?!?!?

/heehee

190 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:48:28pm

re: #189 LeePro

Must be one of those Apple computer things we don't get on PC's. :)

/Ah what do I care I like my two button scroll mouse. :D

191 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:49:28pm

The irony is, it's rags like VF that helped build this guy up as some sort of hollywood-like president- totally excusing his movie star antics, and now it's a problem? Hypocrisy- they name is liberal.

192 LeePro  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:50:08pm

re: #139 gop_patriot

Not at the moment. :) I'm in Arkansas right now; but I was born and raised in Memphis, and both my family and my husband's family live here.

Uh oh
I answered B in B. Thought he was talking to me!

Duh!

193 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:50:17pm

re: #188 JustMyView

Hey, Obama person, the Michelle "whitey" tape looms large.

/will Barack throw his wife under the bus or just go away quietly?

194 talon_262  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:51:07pm

re: #188 JustMyView

See my #178 re the planned USS Gerald R. Ford.

The only thing that sucks about bringing the Ford online is that it's replacing the nearly 50-year-old USS Enterprise. I just hope that the USN sees fit to at least name a Ford-class carrier Enterprise...that would be very nice.

195 gop_patriot  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:51:15pm

re: #180 Bob in Breckenridge

Ah the Naval Base. :) It's a "Naval Support" facility or something now. :/

196 gop_patriot  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:52:19pm

re: #192 LeePro

Uh oh
I answered B in B. Thought he was talking to me!

Duh!

LOL! He probably was... ;)

197 LeePro  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:52:31pm

re: #140 Pvt Bin Jammin

Hi LeePro. Have you had a big juicy steak yet?

Nope, but graduated to hot dog, lasagna and stuffed peppers recently. Not all at the same time... haha.

Surgery in mid-july. You're sweet to ask.
;D

198 markie  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:52:40pm

Barry may be able to distance himself from certain men of the cloth, but his wife is another matter...

I'm expecting to see some exposure at a strategic time to be determined later...

199 wolfie  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:53:06pm

re: #193 Killian Bundy

Hey, Obama person, the Michelle "whitey" tape looms large.

/will Barack throw his wife under the bus or just go away quietly?

No....and........... No.
Whatever it is, it will be our fault.

200 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:57:06pm

re: #197 LeePro
Glad to hear you are getting something tasty. Be sure to eat good before July. Not a lot of fund, those surgeries. ;(. I'll be thinking of you.

201 gop_patriot  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:57:08pm

re: #191 Sharmuta

The irony is, it's rags like VF that helped build this guy up as some sort of hollywood-like president- totally excusing his movie star antics, and now it's a problem? Hypocrisy- they name is liberal.

Exactly! The word that came to my mind (up thread somewhere) is fawning. They sang his praises, ooh-ed and ahh-ed over his saxophone playing, just loved him. Now it's under the bus with Bill, in favor of the Obamessiah. Ouch!

202 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:57:11pm

re: #199 wolfie

No....and........... No.
Whatever it is, it will be our fault.

Thank God he's got a lock on the nomination.

/Lovin' Every Minute Of It

203 LeePro  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:57:58pm

re: #169 gop_patriot

Yep, cool! :) I'll holler at ya tomorrow.

Cool!

Just a reminder: I arise at the crack on NOON!

204 markie  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:58:22pm

Good luck with the surgery Lee.

I got mine scheduled, they're going to try and do it with the laproscope which would get me out the same day maybe. May not need to take so much out.

Killer is its scheduled on Friday the 13th!

205 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 10:58:43pm

re: #201 gop_patriot

Churches, the clintons, Grandma.... who isn't under that bus?

206 LeePro  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:01:49pm

re: #190 BlueCanuck

Must be one of those Apple computer things we don't get on PC's. :)

/Ah what do I care I like my two button scroll mouse. :D

I have two button scroll mouse w/Mac!

207 pat  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:01:52pm

re: #188 JustMyView

Gotcha, thanx

208 gop_patriot  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:01:57pm

re: #202 Killian Bundy

Thank God he's got a lock on the nomination.

/Lovin' Every Minute Of It

Obama?

/you need to warn people when you link to Loverboy. ROFLMAO I thought I'd successfully pushed them out of my mind, but noooo! X)

209 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:01:58pm

re: #204 markie
Good luck to you, too. You know, Friday the thirteenth sounds a little creepy but chances are the average bear wouln't want that date.....your doctors will probably be well rested and alert, which is a good thing.

210 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:02:05pm

re: #205 Sharmuta

The driver?

/give it time

211 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:02:59pm

re: #206 LeePro

Dang, now I have nuttin to feel superior bout anymore. :(

212 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:03:40pm

Clinton attacks Vanity Fair:

[Link: www.politico.com...]


The Clinton camp responded today to Vanity Fair's long article on Bill with its own 2,476-word memo, which includes attacks on the magazine's "penchant for libel," on editor Graydon Carter, and on writer Todd Purdum and his wife, former Clinton aide Dee Dee Myers.

The memo (after the jump) calls the piece "journalism of personal destruction at its worst" and singles out, among other things, Purdum's suggestion that Clinton's heart surgery changed his personality.

Purdum "is not an MD," the memo points out.

The memo, provided by Clinton aide Jay Carson, also singles out Myers for this unexplained criticism:

Purdum's disclosure of [his marriage] in the piece does not, as Vanity Fair apparently concluded, remove the obvious conflict of interest. It's a conflict that would likely not be contemplated at more reputable publications, especially considering that, as a result of this relationship, at least one source's anonymity was revealed to others.

The memo also lists Bill Clinton's post-presidential accomplishments.

"Most revealing is one simple fact: President Clinton has helped save the lives of 1,300,000 people in his post-presidency, and Vanity Fair couldn't find time to talk to even one of them for comment," it says.

When did Clinton save the lives of 1,300,000 people?

Anyhow - the full memo is at the link.

213 pat  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:03:54pm

re: #205 Sharmuta

the "sweeties". he calls all of the girls he has the hots for sweetie.
/quick seminar on leftist-feminine speech in order

214 Ledger1  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:03:58pm

I would have thought the Clinton Crime Syndicate would have stopped the article before it was published. The machine is getting rusty.

Maybe its time for Todd Purdum of Vanity Fair to experience a Clinton sponsored airplane ride to visit Leonid Kuchma in the Ukraine...

And, then Todd could view the crime scene pictures of scores of murdered journalists – just as a friendly reminder of how dangerous journalism can be.

Then the next free trip should be given to MarkKos... just to let him known he is betting on the wrong horse.

See: page 7

215 gop_patriot  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:04:25pm

re: #205 Sharmuta

Churches, the clintons, Grandma.... who isn't under that bus?

You know, we joke that it's getting crowded under there, but have you EVER heard of a politician on the national level that has disowned so many people that close to him? Disowned that many and still is the media darling and frontrunner? It's mind-boggling.

216 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:04:54pm

re: #211 BlueCanuck
Dang, I just feel completely inferior. I have an e machine and a mouse from Big Lots. LOL

217 gop_patriot  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:05:03pm

re: #203 LeePro

Ha! Thanks for the reminder. ;)

218 pat  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:05:13pm

re: #212 reine.de.tout

Damn. That is one kick ass life guard! And with a bad ticker too!

219 markie  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:05:13pm

The doc's a nice young lady with very steady hands and a cautious nature. Backed up by a really good surgeon in case the easy way doesn't work. No worries. Been through worse....

220 tokyobk  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:05:25pm

If there is a tape of Michelle calling people "honky," Obama will preforms a mitigated double reverse fake-out spousal sub-bus insertion. Here is how:

Race and racism are a disease. All are infected with this disease. Even doctors during the Plague would fall under its effects. Only one man, like Will Smith in 'I am Legend,' is truly inoculated from the infection of racism due to his genetic and spiritual makeup, though perhaps Tiger Woods is also another but Tiger plays golf not heals the electorate. My wife is sick and I will heal her just as I will heal us all, with your help, prayers and vote, and money.

That type of thing. And, it may work.

221 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:05:49pm

re: #215 gop_patriot

You know, we joke that it's getting crowded under there, but have you EVER heard of a politician on the national level that has disowned so many people that close to him? Disowned that many and still is the media darling and frontrunner? It's mind-boggling.

/has to ditch his church, toast

222 LeePro  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:06:54pm

re: #200 Pvt Bin Jammin

Glad to hear you are getting something tasty. Be sure to eat good before July. Not a lot of fund, those surgeries. ;(. I'll be thinking of you.

Oh my! ! ! ! !
What a FUNNY typo.

Yes it is a LOT OF FUND, but not a lot of fun.

Insurance companies abandon folks over 65 for dental. Medicare/Medicaid provide N O T H I N G ! ! !

In toto, this will cost us roughly $6000!

223 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:08:08pm

re: #220 tokyobk

If there is a tape of Michelle calling people "honky" "whitey"

/and it's fatal, if it exists

224 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:08:10pm

re: #70 strandedSF

Why do you suppose the media scrutiny was "overdue" until now? Dee Dee Myers has known who and what Clinton is for a long time. Did the Kazakhstan thing just happen last month? I've been hearing about it for over a year. Why did they hold the story until now?

Obama.

Being the masters of personal destruction that they are, the Clintons of course know that that this is exactly what was going to happen - that once the Dem-SM picked a favorite, everything possible would be done to destroy his or her rivals - though perhaps they've been in denial, since historically they've never been able to believe that it could happen to them.

I find it fascinating and horrible all at the same time. Kind of like when the Soviets used to airbrush disfavored persons out of photographs.

225 LeePro  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:08:22pm

re: #203 LeePro

Cool!

Just a reminder: I arise at the crack on NOON!

PIMF:
...crack OF noon

226 gop_patriot  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:09:27pm

re: #212 reine.de.tout

When did Clinton save the lives of 1,300,000 people?

Anyhow - the full memo is at the link.

Someone mentioned that earlier today, but I had to leave, so don't know if it was ever resolved. LOL I'd love to see how they came to that number; although I have a feeling it has to do with all his "global warming" and "AIDS" projects/programs...

227 markie  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:09:36pm

"I find it fascinating and horrible all at the same time. Kind of like when the Soviets used to airbrush disfavored persons out of photographs."

Now THAT would be an appropriate metaphor...

228 tokyobk  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:10:22pm

re: #223 Killian Bundy

/and it's fatal, if it exists

Watch for the move I described and don't count on it being a fatal blow to him. Obama knows there is a double standard (itself rooted in racism) where blacks are not held as accountable. He will exploit it and it may work.

229 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:10:27pm

re: #222 LeePro
I have done nothing but weird typos all day. I really need to preview once in awhile. LOL This morning I typed something to Charles about LGF getting better and better but instead of "it just gets better and better" I said "I just get better and better". OMG

230 gop_patriot  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:10:43pm

re: #225 LeePro

ROFLMAO didn't notice that!

/stay off the crack woman hahaha

231 U.S.S. Nixon  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:11:17pm

Obama will say how Michelle taught him about love and marriage and he could no more disavow her then his own kids...

Then 2 months down the line another video will come out and he will say how he has to cut ties with her

232 LeePro  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:11:20pm

re: #204 markie

Good luck with the surgery Lee.

I got mine scheduled, they're going to try and do it with the laproscope which would get me out the same day maybe. May not need to take so much out.

Killer is its scheduled on Friday the 13th!

To pull teeth?

233 tokyobk  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:11:50pm

re: #226 gop_patriot

Someone mentioned that earlier today, but I had to leave, so don't know if it was ever resolved. LOL I'd love to see how they came to that number; although I have a feeling it has to do with all his "global warming" and "AIDS" projects/programs...


In his own mind he saves the world every day just by existing. He has always had a narcissistic disorder and now the trauma of surgery and age are exacerbating it in a climate where there is a new Savior in town.

234 markie  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:12:01pm

re: #232 LeePro

Sort of the opposite...colon polyp

235 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:13:25pm

re: #226 gop_patriot

Someone mentioned that earlier today, but I had to leave, so don't know if it was ever resolved. LOL I'd love to see how they came to that number; although I have a feeling it has to do with all his "global warming" and "AIDS" projects/programs...

Maybe this is it (from the memo):


Ø The Clinton HIV/AIDS Initiative (CHAI) is focused on expanding access to HIV/AIDS care and treatment. Through the Clinton HIV/AIDS Initiative:

ü 1.4 million people - nearly half of all people on treatment - have access to HIV/AIDS treatment at reduced prices reflecting CHAI negotiations.

236 markie  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:14:33pm

re: #235 reine.de.tout

Worthy goal, but he's still a weasel.

237 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:14:56pm

re: #228 tokyobk

Watch for the move I described and don't count on it being a fatal blow to him. Obama knows there is a double standard (itself rooted in racism) where blacks are not held as accountable. He will exploit it and it may work.

It'll cost him at least a half dozen States.

/and the general election, it's nonspinable

238 Clemente  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:15:02pm

Kuwait hardliners walk out of parliament

Further conflicts between the two branches of government are expected, however, as the election put 24 religious hardliners, looking to impose religious law on the U.S. ally, into the parliament.

While my approval rating of our own House, Senate, and administrative cabinet trend below the national average, my perception of our government's adversaries, partners, and "allies" consistently underruns even that low mark...

239 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:16:07pm

re: #228 tokyobk

Watch for the move I described and don't count on it being a fatal blow to him. Obama knows there is a double standard (itself rooted in racism) where blacks are not held as accountable. He will exploit it and it may work.

I agree with you. He has been able to wiggle out of all sorts of uncomfortable situations because no one wants to risk being labelled "racist" by questioning him, and that will continue. And I agree with you on the condescending and racist double standard where blacks are not held as accountable -

240 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:18:48pm

re: #215 gop_patriot

You know, we joke that it's getting crowded under there, but have you EVER heard of a politician on the national level that has disowned so many people that close to him? Disowned that many and still is the media darling and frontrunner? It's mind-boggling.

It hasn't occurred to them that he really doesn't value the people he claims to value if he could walk away like that just for the Presidency. How is he supposed to value the American people he's supposed to be serving if he can't even value his Grandma or pastor?

The media in all this is disgusting, but do we really expect better of them or do we expect better of the Presidency?

241 LeePro  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:18:48pm

re: #211 BlueCanuck

Dang, now I have nuttin to feel superior bout anymore. :(

Hahahahahahahaha

Made my day!
;D

242 markie  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:18:56pm

The USG needs to advise anyone we've been the least friendly with that if their government turns hostile to the West, they can just repel any invasions by their Islamist neighbors themselves next time.

243 least  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:19:48pm

Poor Clenis:
The MSM covered up his butt when he was "frisky" in in the office of President, and now . . .

Suck-ups will always find a way of getting back at you.

heh

244 gop_patriot  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:20:11pm

re: #235 reine.de.tout

Sounds like that's what they were thinking... I saw the list but didn't notice that 1.4 mil number. Good catch. I was wondering if they were combining some of the other figures.

245 markie  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:22:05pm

re: #240 Sharmuta

I think most realize it's all for show during the campaign and once things quiet down he'll be back. Quietly.

246 JustMyView  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:22:05pm

re: #212 reine.de.tout

Clinton attacks Vanity Fair:

[Link: www.politico.com...]
When did Clinton save the lives of 1,300,000 people?

Anyhow - the full memo is at the link.

I think the memo is referring to programs carried out under the auspices of his foundation to provide low-cost drugs for people w/ HIV in Third World countries.

247 gop_patriot  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:22:27pm

re: #240 Sharmuta

Yes! I just pray that enough people wake up to those facts before November.

248 LeePro  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:23:16pm

re: #230 gop_patriot

ROFLMAO didn't notice that!

/stay off the crack woman hahaha

Yes, and I'm not even a plumber!

LOL

249 LeePro  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:24:32pm

re: #234 markie

Sort of the opposite...colon polyp

K

250 LeePro  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:25:03pm

re: #234 markie

Sort of the opposite...colon polyp

Good luck!

251 pat  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:26:17pm

re: #240 Sharmuta

It hasn't occurred to them that he really doesn't value the people he claims to value if he could walk away like that just for the Presidency. How is he supposed to value the American people he's supposed to be serving if he can't even value his Grandma or pastor?

The media in all this is disgusting, but do we really expect better of them or do we expect better of the Presidency?

Which indicates he is a hollow man. A chimera. Controlled. But up to the job by those who think they can control him. And we all know how that usually works out. Horror Movie redux.

252 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:27:10pm

re: #245 markie

I think most realize it's all for show during the campaign and once things quiet down he'll be back. Quietly.

Oh- I totally agree! And frankly- that makes it worse. If this was a person you knew and they did this to you for show- would you want them back? How do you trust someone like that?

253 markie  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:27:12pm

Can you all tell I have a fairly pessimistic attitude toward politics and politicians? I've found it pays off, more often than not. At worst, I'm proven correct, and at best I'm pleasantly surprised.

254 JustMyView  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:27:12pm

re: #215 gop_patriot

You know, we joke that it's getting crowded under there, but have you EVER heard of a politician on the national level that has disowned so many people that close to him? Disowned that many and still is the media darling and frontrunner? It's mind-boggling.

I haven't been keeping score, but McCain has dismissed half a dozen people from his campaign staff based on their status as lobbyists (including for very corrupt foreign regimes) and has also cut ties with a couple of unsavory clerics.

255 markie  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:29:32pm

re: #250 LeePro

I'm not particularly superstitious, but I'll have fun telling the staff I'm keeping an eye on them while they're working "back there"....ha!

256 markie  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:31:00pm

re: #254 JustMyView

At least one cleric he did that to was apparently a late entry, more or less to garner votes in a primary state at the time. Those types should expect to be used and discarded.

257 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:31:21pm

re: #254 JustMyView

How about his grandma, or any other people he claims have been major players in shaping his life and/or belief system?

Staffers? We could only hope obama would start cutting them. Ayers- I'm looking at you.

258 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:31:50pm

re: #255 markie
Make sure they don't put their hands on your shoulders. LOL

That's what my hubby always tells the proctologist.

259 JustMyView  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:33:09pm

re: #257 Sharmuta

How about his grandma, or any other people he claims have been major players in shaping his life and/or belief system?

Staffers? We could only hope obama would start cutting them. Ayers- I'm looking at you.

He has not cut his ties to his grandmother, and Ayers is not on his staff.

260 LeePro  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:33:32pm

re: #240 Sharmuta

It hasn't occurred to them that he really doesn't value the people he claims to value if he could walk away like that just for the Presidency. How is he supposed to value the American people he's supposed to be serving if he can't even value his Grandma or pastor?

The media in all this is disgusting, but do we really expect better of them or do we expect better of the Presidency?

Yes, and he went on so about all those "many, many friends" in the congregation that they are leaving behind ...

Would that be the same ones who were hootin' and hoolerin' and giving standing ovations to the race-baiter pastors?

Hmmmmm?

/ rhetorical

261 markie  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:34:24pm

re: #257 Sharmuta

I think we can pretty much tell Obama is close to being your average "regular guy", if for no other reason than all the whacky friends and relatives he's having to explain for...someone like that should know better than to run for public office though.

262 wolfie  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:35:38pm

re: #254 JustMyView

The people Obama has dumped, denounced, or tried to hide are people w/ whom he has had a close association over years. That is what is rather unusual here.

263 pat  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:35:44pm

re: #254 JustMyView

McCain.You are absolutely right. As for the clergy, one indeed seem a bit extreme. The other Haggee appears to have been smeared. As for lobbyists, they were there, and in deep. Saudis, Mexicans, and I am sure many more. Unfortunately most are still likely around and have done their damage.
As for Obama, he seems to surround himself with nutcases, lifelong maniacal friends, and anti-American loons. Which are revealed so very slowly by the MSM. Like they don't want us to know.

264 JustMyView  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:36:10pm

re: #256 markie

At least one cleric he did that to was apparently a late entry, more or less to garner votes in a primary state at the time. Those types should expect to be used and discarded.

Charming. Pretty cynical, don't you think?

265 JustMyView  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:38:04pm

re: #262 wolfie

The people Obama has dumped, denounced, or tried to hide are people w/ whom he has had a close association over years. That is what is rather unusual here.

I think that's only true for the church and Rev. Wright. That's not trivial, but it doesn't constitute a pattern of denouncing one's past.

266 markie  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:38:16pm

re: #264 JustMyView

I have very low expectations, and I do suffer from post-idealistic cynicism.

267 wolfie  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:39:37pm

re: #264 JustMyView

Charming. Pretty cynical, don't you think?

No. I don't think markie is being cynical. I just think she's followed electoral politics for a while and is over 21.

268 markie  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:40:09pm

re: #267 wolfie

HE. Please.

269 Syrah  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:42:29pm

re: #257 Sharmuta

How about his grandma, or any other people he claims have been major players in shaping his life and/or belief system?

Staffers? We could only hope obama would start cutting them. Ayers- I'm looking at you.

I suspect that Ayers is more than just a staffer.

Who and what is Obama with out Ayers?

270 JustMyView  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:44:00pm

re: #269 Syrah

I suspect that Ayers is more than just a staffer.

Who and what is Obama with out Ayers?

So far as I know, Ayers' entire contribution to Obama's political career is a check for $200 some years ago. Do you have evidence to indicate that he's played some hugely influential role?

271 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:45:26pm

re: #269 Syrah

Who and what is Obama with out Ayers?

Just another Soros puppet?

272 markie  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:46:37pm

re: #268 markie

HE. Please.

My usual online moniker was taken and markie was what the ladies at work called me. Otherwise no big deal.

I have been following electoral antics since my first PoliSci class in high school, just in time to vote in my first election.

273 pat  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:46:58pm

re: #270 JustMyView

Well yes. When Obama ran for office in 1996 he asked for Ayers endorsement on a far left platform. Thereafter, Ayers introduced him to the powers that be in Chicago, including the Mayor, on a more initmate basis. Do you not know this?

274 wolfie  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:47:55pm

re: #265 JustMyView

Ayers, Dohrn, Rezko, Pfleger, Powers.
Grandma the TWP.

I don't think he has denounced his past at all.
He just doing damage control when people find out about it.

275 wolfie  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:48:46pm

re: #268 markie

HE. Please.

EEEK ! Sorry!

276 markie  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:49:43pm

re: #274 wolfie

...I don't think he has denounced his past at all.
He just doing damage control when people find out about it.

That's what that game is all about.

277 pat  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:50:28pm

The interesting thing about Chicago is how corrupt it is. A true cesspit of political corruption, from organized crime to common street crime.

278 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:50:33pm

re: #270 JustMyView

Again.

/what are you going to do when the Michelle "whitey" tape surfaces?

279 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:52:34pm

re: #274 wolfie
Damage control is right. Wasn't there something here on LGF about a meeting with Michelle, Barry, Ayers and Dohrn? They are "thick as theives". IMHO

280 markie  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:52:47pm

re: #277 pat

It's a historical tradition and there might be a law preventing it from changing, they way it hangs on there. They should post a sign:

Corrupt since 1846 (or whenever)
281 wolfie  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:53:10pm

re: #276 markie

Yep!
Makes me want a gin and tonic.
No, wait.
It's your avatar that makes me want one!

282 Shaky Louie  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:53:28pm

Ayers, whether or not he is influencing BHO in any way, is still an unrepentent terrorist. Hasn't he said so himself?
Why isn't he under the bus?

Answers to this, and much more, on tonight's episode of HOPE.

283 LeePro  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:54:24pm

re: #274 wolfie

Ayers, Dohrn, Rezko, Pfleger, Powers.
Grandma the TWP.

I don't think he has denounced his past at all.
He just doing damage control when people find out about it.

And then there's the deafening silence from the likes of Sharpton, the uh-Revrund-uh-Jacksonnnnnnn, etc...

Didn't they all endorse Mrs C? What up with that?

284 markie  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:54:30pm

re: #281 wolfie

Aw, you noticed. I was hoping it would pass for a football. I've got other green objects should the impulse to switch strike me.

285 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:54:37pm

re: #281 wolfie
I had some! Can y'all tell? LOL

286 pat  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:55:19pm

Nite all

287 JustMyView  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:55:25pm

re: #274 wolfie

Ayers, Dohrn, Rezko, Pfleger, Powers.
Grandma the TWP.

I don't think he has denounced his past at all.
He just doing damage control when people find out about it.

I don't think the connections you note require denouncing. Powers was a staffer who said something insulting about Hillary Clinton, and he fired her. Rezko is on trial for some kind of corruption; no one has proven that Obama was involved in any shady dealing w/ him, and The Chicago Tribune devoted enormous effort to finding such a connection. Obama gave to charity the money Rezko had donated to his various campaigns. The others are people with whom he's had passing associations, and he has criticized them for specific actions, as warranted.

288 wolfie  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:55:56pm

re: #279 Pvt Bin Jammin

Damage control is right. Wasn't there something here on LGF about a meeting with Michelle, Barry, Ayers and Dohrn? They are "thick as theives". IMHO

Indeed.
But we're not supposed to talk about it.
Stephanopoulos was very naughty to ask him about it in the last debate.
He made Obama stutter and sweat.
Bad, bad Stepho!

289 JustMyView  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:56:31pm

re: #273 pat

Well yes. When Obama ran for office in 1996 he asked for Ayers endorsement on a far left platform. Thereafter, Ayers introduced him to the powers that be in Chicago, including the Mayor, on a more initmate basis. Do you not know this?

I think I need some documentation on these points. A little quick googling revealed no such connections. If you want to prove your point, you'll need to provide evidence.

290 LeePro  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:57:08pm

re: #276 markie

That's what that game is all about.

That's just it... I can't look at this as just a "game." It's my country and my future my children's future that's at stake here!

291 gop_patriot  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:57:25pm

re: #254 JustMyView

I haven't been keeping score, but McCain has dismissed half a dozen people from his campaign staff based on their status as lobbyists (including for very corrupt foreign regimes) and has also cut ties with a couple of unsavory clerics.

Are you really suggesting that there is not a difference with McCain weeding out some campaign staff and Obama having to disavow his Pastor of 20 years along with his church? (not that I believe for one second that he doesn't agree with what the Pastor said, or he wouldn't have stayed for two decades)

It's like someone firing employees versus someone disowning a relative. Not the same thing at all. And yes, McCain has had some unsavory campaigners working for him, and I am glad he got rid of them. Don't think his hand was forced though, not like Obama's had to be.

292 Miss Molly  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:57:57pm

Bill Clinton is an updated version of Huey Long in a better suit and more expensive hair cut.

293 JustMyView  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:58:14pm

re: #278 Killian Bundy

Again.

/what are you going to do when the Michelle "whitey" tape surfaces?

Be very surprised.

294 Syrah  Sun, Jun 1, 2008 11:59:30pm

re: #270 JustMyView

So far as I know, Ayers' entire contribution to Obama's political career is a check for $200 some years ago. Do you have evidence to indicate that he's played some hugely influential role?

Ayers is a hell of lot more then a $200 check. Ayers is a mover and shaker in Chicago politics.

In politics, some people bring money to your campaign, some people bring votes, and some people bring pull.

Ayers brings pull.

He matters.

He matters a great deal.

He matters so much that the Obama bus is just not big enough to toss him under.

295 redc1c4  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:01:35am

re: #265 JustMyView

I think that's only true for the church and Rev. Wright. That's not trivial, but it doesn't constitute a pattern of denouncing one's past.

oh puh-leeze...... one does not "join" a church, spend the next 20 years regularly attending it's services, raising your children in it, getting your name on the cover of the magazine it publishes several times, while listing the pastor as one of your seminal religious influences, and then *presto* go wandering off into the brave new world of religious inquiry because the church you've been comfortable in for years is suddenly wrong for you, especially if it took multiple news stories about the racist/anti-Semitic diatribes that were (evidently) routine there to get you to make that call.

the objectionable activity has been occurring for years, and and your guy has either agreed with it by participation, or at best tacitly approved it by his silence.

296 Bob in Breckenridge  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:02:58am

re: #178 JustMyView

An aircraft carrier to be named after Ford will be under construction soon. It's scheduled to be "laid down" in 2009 and commissioned in 2015. Was announced by Rumsfeld at the memorial service for Ford in Grand Rapids, MI.

Thanks for for the link. But when is a ship going to be named after President Nixon?
I liked Nixon, even though I was a kid back then. Say what you will about him, good or bad, and it was mostly good.
But if that piece of shit Carter has a sub named after him, President Nixon should also be honored, and it should have been before Presidents Ford or Carter.
Nixon's legacy compared to Ford is skewed due to Ford's losing the 1976 election because Ford did the right thing by pardoning Nixon.
Carter's legacy will be remembered as a man who was a cluster fuck of a President who was booted out of office due to his incompetence.

297 wolfie  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:04:25am

re: #289 JustMyView

Try searching LGF. Lizards have provided many links documenting these associations that you think are so casual.

Powers, incidentally, was fired "for insulting Hillary." She also happens to be a pro-Palestinian moonbat who was starting to embarrass Obama with her openly anti-Israeli comments.

Notice that the MSM spun the Pfleger embarrassment by claiming what was wrong with him is that he "insulted Hillary." That's the least of his problems, as anyone from Chicago can tell you.

298 LeePro  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:05:09am

re: #289 JustMyView

I think I need some documentation on these points. A little quick googling revealed no such connections. If you want to prove your point, you'll need to provide evidence.

Wrong.
The points being discussed here are common knowledge. You wanna debate, YOU gotta come up with sources!

: : : tick... tick... tick... tick... tick... : : :

299 markie  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:06:35am

re: #290 LeePro

I hear you, but I'm not worrying too much about what occurs during the next generation's turn at bat. I think the basics are pretty much taken care of in the founding documents, and should any really serious threat arise, I'm trusting that good people will rise up and put their collective foot down. The badguys may not all get their just desserts, but I gave up on that a long time ago.

300 LeePro  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:08:43am

re: #295 redc1c4

oh puh-leeze...... one does not "join" a church, spend the next 20 years regularly attending it's services, raising your children in it, getting your name on the cover of the magazine it publishes several times, while listing the pastor as one of your seminal religious influences, and then *presto* go wandering off into the brave new world of religious inquiry because the church you've been comfortable in for years is suddenly wrong for you, especially if it took multiple news stories about the racist/anti-Semitic diatribes that were (evidently) routine there to get you to make that call.

the objectionable activity has been occurring for years, and and your guy has either agreed with it by participation, or at best tacitly approved it by his silence.

DING! (cootie-less, of course)

301 wolfie  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:09:26am

re: #300 LeePro

Oh, go ahead! Give him some cooties!

302 JustMyView  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:11:00am

re: #291 gop_patriot

Are you really suggesting that there is not a difference with McCain weeding out some campaign staff and Obama having to disavow his Pastor of 20 years along with his church? (not that I believe for one second that he doesn't agree with what the Pastor said, or he wouldn't have stayed for two decades)

It's like someone firing employees versus someone disowning a relative. Not the same thing at all. And yes, McCain has had some unsavory campaigners working for him, and I am glad he got rid of them. Don't think his hand was forced though, not like Obama's had to be.

Am going to bed, so this has to be my last comment for tonight.

I'd say this is something of an "on the one hand, on the other hand" situation. On the one hand, McCain's associations w/ his creepy pastors were entirely for political convenience, so their revolting statements probably don't have much of anything to do with his own views. On the other hand, it's deeply cynical to seek the endorsement of people whose views you don't even care enough about to explore before trotting them out to speak on your behalf. McCain has gotten in trouble repeatedly for not being himself. He's not an evangelical Christian or a social conservative, and he'd be better off just being himself. And yes, his hand was forced w/ regard to those lobbyists.

W/ regard to Obama, his connections to Wright and the church were long and deep, so the issue of cynicism doesn't arise, but the question of what they shared does. Although I find many of Wright and Pfleger's statements repulsive, it seems clear to me that Obama doesn't hate America or white people, so I'm not particularly troubled by this association.

There are many statements from people who have nothing to do w/ the Obama campaign about all the good work the church has done, so I don't see it as any kind of danger. I do, though, think that, to the extent its leaders encourage a view of America that doesn't take into account the advances in racial justice made over the past fifty years, they are doing the community a disservice. I also think, however, that it is way too easy for white people to look at that progress and conclude that black people no longer have anything to complain about.

303 markie  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:12:44am

re: #300 LeePro

There just may be enough electorate with lousy memories for him to get away with just that. Then the next several years can be devoted to enumerating the finer points so everyone that bought it at the time can feel uncomfortable.

It's all about feelings.

304 LeePro  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:13:51am

re: #301 wolfie

Oh, go ahead! Give him some cooties!

He doesn't need more cooties! He's got enough of his own!

/

305 JustMyView  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:13:53am

re: #296 Bob in Breckenridge

Thanks for for the link. But when is a ship going to be named after President Nixon?

You'll have to check w/ the Pentagon. I'm not in charge! Offhand, though, I'd say you might not want to save your vacation time for the christening of a ship in his honor.

306 tokyobk  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:15:53am
“I am a Republican, a black, dyed in the wool Republican, and I never intend to belong to any other party than the party of freedom and progress.”

I hope McCain uses this quote by none other than the Great American Frederick Douglass to teach the voting public about the true history of our current parties and black Americans.

307 Bob in Breckenridge  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:15:57am

re: #303 markie

There just may be enough electorate with lousy memories for him to get away with just that. Then the next several years can be devoted to enumerating the finer points so everyone that bought it at the time can feel uncomfortable.

It's all about feelings.

Feelings

308 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:16:25am

re: #295 redc1c4
Well said, Red C. How are you doing?

I've been off googling Dorhn and Ayers again. Can't stand those folks.

309 LeePro  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:16:43am

re: #302 JustMyView

McCain's associations w/ his creepy pastors...


They were/are NOT McCain's pastors!

310 markie  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:16:58am

re: #296 Bob in Breckenridge

Thanks for for the link. But when is a ship going to be named after President Nixon?

Maybe when they lay the keel for the next generation Mine Sweeper.

311 redc1c4  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:17:00am

wildly OT, but we picked up a DVD of Vanishing Point this weekend......

/i may be occasionally distracted %-)

312 Bob in Breckenridge  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:17:08am

re: #306 tokyobk

I hope McCain uses this quote by none other than the Great American Frederick Douglass to teach the voting public about the true history of our current parties and black Americans.

Martin Luther King was a Republican also.

313 JustMyView  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:17:20am

re: #298 LeePro

Wrong.
The points being discussed here are common knowledge. You wanna debate, YOU gotta come up with sources!

: : : tick... tick... tick... tick... tick... : : :

Well, here's one of the sources I found. Doesn't seem to fit your conception of the situation. Your turn. And keep in mind that it has to be more than just some other blogger who heard something. We need names and dates. Vague phrases such as "the powers that be" don't really cut it.

314 redc1c4  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:17:47am

re: #301 wolfie

Oh, go ahead! Give him some cooties!

/me adds more ETOH to the protection system.....

%-)

315 LEGION  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:17:48am

HA HAAAAA - Vanity Fair - freakin with the demorats- PAYBACK! The Valerie Plame BS lies are still stuck in my craw. Get the looney libs now- play with that fire!

316 markie  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:18:51am

re: #311 redc1c4

Now that's a classic.

317 LeePro  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:19:43am

re: #303 markie

Thanks, markie, but with my 40+ years of voting conservative, you're preachin' to the choir!

;)

318 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:20:10am

re: #311 redc1c4

wildly OT, but we picked up a DVD of Vanishing Point this weekend......

/i may be occasionally distracted %-)

Dangerous movie.

/Rachel Corrie's parents have a lawsuit pending against the ending

319 wolfie  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:20:21am

Joe Smith has been a card-carrying member of the Aryan "Christian" Identity movement for 20+ years. He and his wife were married by an ACI leader and enrolled their kids in the youth program. He's given them donations for years.
The leader is his mentor.

It would seem "clear" to you that Joe Smith doesn't really harbor hostility toward blacks and Jews. Okay.

320 markie  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:20:53am

re: #313 JustMyView

Well, here's one of the sources I found. Doesn't seem to fit your conception of the situation. Your turn. And keep in mind that it has to be more than just some other blogger who heard something. We need names and dates. Vague phrases such as "the powers that be" don't really cut it.

This is just a blog, though. I didn't expect a sort of Spanish Inquisition....:)

321 Bob in Breckenridge  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:21:30am

re: #310 markie

President Nixon deserves a CVN.

322 gop_patriot  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:21:57am

re: #302 JustMyView

So that would be a "yes", then?

Although I find many of Wright and Pfleger's statements repulsive, it seems clear to me that Obama doesn't hate America or white people, so I'm not particularly troubled by this association.

How is that clear to you? His pastor, his mentor, talks constantly about how evil white people are, and how they're the cause of every trouble in this country, which he damns, by the way...

Honestly, as far as associations go, if a possible POTUS sitting under a racist and America damning pastor for 2 decades doesn't bother you, what would?

323 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:22:08am

re: #313 JustMyView

Well, here's one of the sources I found. Doesn't seem to fit your conception of the situation. Your turn. And keep in mind that it has to be more than just some other blogger who heard something. We need names and dates. Vague phrases such as "the powers that be" don't really cut it.

Michelle Obama, on tape, ranting against "whitey" ought to do it.

/no?

324 redc1c4  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:22:25am

re: #302 JustMyView

Am going to bed, so this has to be my last comment for tonight.

I'd say this is something of an "on the one hand, on the other hand" situation. On the one hand, McCain's associations w/ his creepy pastors were entirely for political convenience, so their revolting statements probably don't have much of anything to do with his own views. On the other hand, it's deeply cynical to seek the endorsement of people whose views you don't even care enough about to explore before trotting them out to speak on your behalf. McCain has gotten in trouble repeatedly for not being himself. He's not an evangelical Christian or a social conservative, and he'd be better off just being himself. And yes, his hand was forced w/ regard to those lobbyists.

W/ regard to Obama, his connections to Wright and the church were long and deep, so the issue of cynicism doesn't arise, but the question of what they shared does. Although I find many of Wright and Pfleger's statements repulsive, it seems clear to me that Obama doesn't hate America or white people, so I'm not particularly troubled by this association.

There are many statements from people who have nothing to do w/ the Obama campaign about all the good work the church has done, so I don't see it as any kind of danger. I do, though, think that, to the extent its leaders encourage a view of America that doesn't take into account the advances in racial justice made over the past fifty years, they are doing the community a disservice. I also think, however, that it is way too easy for white people to look at that progress and conclude that black people no longer have anything to complain about.

the only thing that's clear to me, having read the above post, is that you're smoking straight crack. the other option is that you are being willfully obtuse. which Lizard sin would you like to confess to?

325 tokyobk  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:22:27am

re: #312 Bob in Breckenridge

Martin Luther King was a Republican also.

Reagan was a great communicator, Jimmy Carter antidote, and along with the Pope and Lady Thatcher put Communism away, but he failed to connect with black America at the time when he directly commicated with the very white democrats that may also switch to McCain.

My Great Uncle was a lifelong black Republican (born at the turn of the century) and organized the black vote in Illinois for every election until Reagan, and voted Democrat for the first time in his life in that election.

I wonder if there is any book on this, I would love to read it before this election.

326 Syrah  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:23:00am

re: #321 Bob in Breckenridge

President Nixon deserves a CVN.

. . . to patrol the Taiwan Straits.

327 markie  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:25:12am

re: #321 Bob in Breckenridge

Oh I agree. I thought a mine sweeper would be appropriate though considering how many mine fields he encountered.

Maybe after his career inclusive is re-evaluated it will happen.

328 redc1c4  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:27:42am

re: #308 Pvt Bin Jammin

Well said, Red C. How are you doing?

I've been off googling Dorhn and Ayers again. Can't stand those folks.

another fun filled day in paradise..... went to visit a friend yesterday for her "end of chemo" party, and was the bartender. then we went to a nearby club (serendipity) to see my buddy's punk band play.

spent today doing "honey do's" and had rare roasted tri-tip for dinner with asparagus & pasta, and a Tobin James red..... %-)

/life sucks less than usual today

but it still sucks.

329 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:27:50am

re: #326 Syrah
I like that idea! : )

330 markie  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:29:08am

Slowing down...I'm going to slide over to the gunboards I haunt...nite, folks.

331 wolfie  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:29:29am

re: #313 JustMyView

Michael Dobbs of the WaPo is a big Obamassiah supporter, you know.
He does come up with a few facts about the Ayers association, such as Obama spending 3 years on a charity board w/ Ayers. There are other facts out there.
Try the Annenberg Foundation for starters.

332 LeePro  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:29:41am

re: #313 JustMyView

Well, here's one of the sources I found. Doesn't seem to fit your conception of the situation. Your turn. And keep in mind that it has to be more than just some other blogger who heard something. We need names and dates. Vague phrases such as "the powers that be" don't really cut it.

"Doesn't seem to fit your conception of the situation"

? ? ?
And my conception of the situation is... ?
I don't believe I have iterated to you what my "conception of the situation" is, o-he-who-said-he-was-going-to-bed-after-typing-wha t-he-thought-would-be-a-bombshell.

Good source, btw. You should read the whole thing!

333 JustMyView  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:29:41am

One more source on Obama's connection to Ayers. This is Hugh Hewitt. Although the framework suggests something more insidious that the WaPo article, he basically comes up with the same info: the small campaign contribution and the service on the board of the same charitable organization. I haven't read anything about a closer connection (certainly nothing that would justify a "where would Obama be without Ayers" statement), but if anyone has other information, I'd be glad to look at it.

334 gop_patriot  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:30:40am

re: #328 redc1c4

Prayers for your friend, hope she had a good time, and hope she gets well.

/life sucks less than usual today

but it still sucks.

(((red)))

335 JustMyView  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:30:59am

re: #331 wolfie

Michael Dobbs of the WaPo is a big Obamassiah supporter, you know.
He does come up with a few facts about the Ayers association, such as Obama spending 3 years on a charity board w/ Ayers. There are other facts out there.
Try the Annenberg Foundation for starters.

What evidence do you have that Dobbs is an Obama supporter? That's a fairly strong charge to make against the person who is doing the Post's fact-checking column.

336 Bob in Breckenridge  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:31:08am

re: #325 tokyobk

Nice liberal talking point- "Reagan was a great communicator", blah blah, blah. He was also called an "amicable dunce" by noted lib Clark Clifford. Historically he is the greatest in the 20th century. And yes, better than FDR. FDR did not get us out of the depression with his idiotic big government solutions. FDR PROLONGED it! At the start of WW2, unemployment was almost 25%. But I digress.

337 wolfie  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:31:32am

re: #319 wolfie
Okay. I'm obviously asleep at the wheel.
that was in response to.........

re: #302 JustMyView

338 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:31:48am

re: #333 JustMyView

Your red diaper boy's going down.

/hard

339 redc1c4  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:31:58am

re: #325 tokyobk

Reagan was a great communicator, Jimmy Carter antidote, and along with the Pope and Lady Thatcher put Communism away, but he failed to connect with black America at the time when he directly commicated with the very white democrats that may also switch to McCain.

My Great Uncle was a lifelong black Republican (born at the turn of the century) and organized the black vote in Illinois for every election until Reagan, and voted Democrat for the first time in his life in that election.

I wonder if there is any book on this, I would love to read it before this election.

was it that he didn't communicate with them, or was it that the MSM miscommunicated his message on purpose, to the point where it was no longer palatable?

340 tokyobk  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:32:40am

re: #336 Bob in Breckenridge

Nice liberal talking point- "Reagan was a great communicator", blah blah, blah. He was also called an "amicable dunce" by noted lib Clark Clifford. Historically he is the greatest in the 20th century. And yes, better than FDR. FDR did not get us out of the depression with his idiotic big government solutions. FDR PROLONGED it! At the start of WW2, unemployment was almost 25%. But I digress.

Reagan was as a matter of fact a great president who as another matter of fact lost touch with the black vote while he gained the confidence and support of white democrats.

341 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:32:47am

re: #328 redc1c4
We had a great weekend. Saw Desert Sage, went to a birthday party with an open bar, prime rib tonight with friends. Life is good but I know what you mean about the suck a** part of it. My hubby has been sick for the past four years. We just try to stay smiling. It's better than the alternative, by far.

342 JustMyView  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:33:09am

re: #332 LeePro

"Doesn't seem to fit your conception of the situation"

? ? ?
And my conception of the situation is... ?
I don't believe I have iterated to you what my "conception of the situation" is, o-he-who-said-he-was-going-to-bed-after- typing-what-he-thought-would-be-a-bombsh ell.

Good source, btw. You should read the whole thing!

I did read the whole thing! And, yes, I was going to go to bed, but I got distracted. Now I have to wait up until I find out what wolfie knows about Michael Dobbs.

343 JustMyView  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:34:51am

re: #319 wolfie

Joe Smith has been a card-carrying member of the Aryan "Christian" Identity movement for 20+ years. He and his wife were married by an ACI leader and enrolled their kids in the youth program. He's given them donations for years.
The leader is his mentor.

It would seem "clear" to you that Joe Smith doesn't really harbor hostility toward blacks and Jews. Okay.

I just don't see TUCC as the kind of organization that your example seems to suggest it is.

344 Bob in Breckenridge  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:34:57am

re: #336 Bob in Breckenridge

Nice liberal talking point- "Reagan was a great communicator", blah blah, blah. He was also called an "amicable dunce" by noted lib Clark Clifford. Historically he is the greatest in the 20th century. And yes, better than FDR. FDR did not get us out of the depression with his idiotic big government solutions. FDR PROLONGED it! At the start of WW2, unemployment was almost 25%. But I digress.

PIMF- amiable...sorry.

345 tokyobk  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:36:10am

re: #339 redc1c4

was it that he didn't communicate with them, or was it that the MSM miscommunicated his message on purpose, to the point where it was no longer palatable?

Welfare was sold to black America as a remedy to discrimination and Reagan was clearly against the Welfare State. Democrats sold themselves as the champoins of welfare. But, as I said, I wonder if anyone knows any book on this. I would like to read up as some of the demographic things will matter in this election.

346 LeePro  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:37:18am

re: #320 markie

This is just a blog, though. I didn't expect a sort of Spanish Inquisition....:)

: : : gasp! : : :
Oh, markie, markie, markie...
This is not "just a blog" !
This is THE blog! This is where it's AT! This is where we get/give "the resssst of the story" (apologies to Paul Harvey!).

Now bow down and beg forgiveness before the Great Lizard of the Scaley Kingdom!

/jus' sayin'
;)

347 Bob in Breckenridge  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:37:29am

re: #340 tokyobk

Reagan was as a matter of fact a great president who as another matter of fact lost touch with the black vote while he gained the confidence and support of white democrats.

I guess self-reliance rather than welfare is a tough pill to swallow if you're black. Cry me a river and give me a break.

348 LeePro  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:39:04am

re: #323 Killian Bundy

Michelle Obama, on tape, ranting against "whitey" ought to do it.

/no?

god, I hope that turns out to be true!

349 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:39:33am

re: #343 JustMyView

I just don't see TUCC as the kind of organization that your example seems to suggest it is.

Rev Michael Pfleger

/please note the clapping, hooting and hollering from the congregation

350 Bob in Breckenridge  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:42:10am

re: #348 LeePro

Actually, if that's what it takes to turn regular Americans against this incompetent marxist BHO, it's pretty damn sad.

351 tokyobk  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:42:25am

re: #347 Bob in Breckenridge

I guess self-reliance rather than welfare is a tough pill to swallow if you're black. Cry me a river and give me a break.

Blacks born of voting age in 1980 had seen many examples where self-reliance was not enough, as well as many gains. For many reasons Reagan was threatening.

In my opinion, as probably yours, the welfare state and the great society were more harmful to the black family. Democrats were politically motivated in championing themselves as the natural and only black vote.

I am just curious about this and its implication for this election where Obama, who many believe is messaih-like, is also completely failing to connect with a segment of the population based on race.

352 BlueCanuck  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:43:13am

re: #349 Killian Bundy

I remember watching that Rev. Wright G-d damn America speech. :p

/can't really call it a sermon.

353 wolfie  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:46:29am

re: #335 JustMyView

What evidence do you have that Dobbs is an Obama supporter? That's a fairly strong charge to make against the person who is doing the Post's fact-checking column.

At this late hour you want me to write a term paper analysing the career of Michael Dobbs?! He has written for the WaPo for about 30 years and has always taken a left-wing view, particularly on foreign policy. (Not surprising since he had the State Dept beat for a long while.) He has been a critic of Bush, of course and an opponent of the war in Iraq. Every time he gets on the subject of Obama, he starts spinning like a top.
I know it's SHOCKING that a journalist maight be a bit biased, but hey! We're really cynical around here.

BTW, if you bothered to find out about TUCC and Black Liberation Theology, you wouldn't be saying it's not at all like the Aryan Identity crap. It is. Try looking up James Cone, Rev. Wright's mentor.

354 Bob in Breckenridge  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:48:41am

re: #348 LeePro

The guy, like his wife, are what's wrong with affirmative action. They both got where they are not because of what they accomplished, but rather because of the color of their skin.
They're too blind to see that affirmative action is another way of saying "You're too stupid to make it on your own, so we'll lower the goal posts so you don't have to be as smart or work as hard as everybody else."
If the truth hurts...Oh well.

355 JustMyView  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:48:49am

re: #351 tokyobk


I am just curious about this and its implication for this election where Obama, who many believe is messaih-like, is also completely failing to connect with a segment of the population based on race.

Are you saying that Obama is "completely failing" to connect with white people? That would be wildly incorrect because millions of them have voted for him. In some of the states that Obama has won there are almost no black people--Iowa and Oregon, for instance.

356 redc1c4  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:49:03am

re: #334 gop_patriot

Prayers for your friend, hope she had a good time, and hope she gets well.

(((red)))

yuck.... gonna go jump in the pool to get decootieized.....

/another reason to keep the chlorine level up.

they're the original hard luck couple. neighborhood sweethearts, married and happy. he slipped on some crap at the local home improvement store about two years back, and the impact when his head hit the pavement caused a stroke.......

fast forward to last fall, after he's finally coming 'round, when she's diagnosed with BC. bilateral mastectomy with post op chemo. current prognosis is good, and we both had a nice talk with her oncologist...... she'd never dealt with my sort before. %-)

i'm not cynical: i'm experienced.

/Depressed Mode

357 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:50:03am

re: #352 BlueCanuck

Jeremiah Wright?

/again, note the clapping, hooting and hollering, surely Obama couldn't have slept through that

358 LeePro  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:50:11am

re: #343 JustMyView

I just don't see TUCC as the kind of organization that your example seems to suggest it is.

Here you go!

359 JustMyView  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:51:41am

re: #353 wolfie

At this late hour you want me to write a term paper analysing the career of Michael Dobbs?! He has written for the WaPo for about 30 years and has always taken a left-wing view, particularly on foreign policy. (Not surprising since he had the State Dept beat for a long while.) He has been a critic of Bush, of course and an opponent of the war in Iraq. Every time he gets on the subject of Obama, he starts spinning like a top.
I know it's SHOCKING that a journalist maight be a bit biased, but hey! We're really cynical around here.

BTW, if you bothered to find out about TUCC and Black Liberation Theology, you wouldn't be saying it's not at all like the Aryan Identity crap. It is. Try looking up James Cone, Rev. Wright's mentor.

Your response is really offensive. You've questioned someone's objectivity without providing the slightest evidence to support your case. If you can't find one simple example, you're way off base. You might look at what he had to say about Obama's Auschwitz vs. Buchenwald error and see whether he is "spinning like a top" in favor of Obama.

Really, you just can't make those kinds of claims without some facts to back them up.

360 LeePro  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:51:52am

re: #350 Bob in Breckenridge

Actually, if that's what it takes to turn regular Americans against this incompetent marxist BHO, it's pretty damn sad.

Sad it is!

361 redc1c4  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:54:06am

re: #321 Bob in Breckenridge

President Nixon deserves a CVN.

given his temper, i'm thinking a T-AE might be the most appropriate..... %-)

362 tokyobk  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:55:02am

re: #355 JustMyView

Are you saying that Obama is "completely failing" to connect with white people? That would be wildly incorrect because millions of them have voted for him. In some of the states that Obama has won there are almost no black people--Iowa and Oregon, for instance.

Obama is failing to connect with a segment of white people who see him as threating the foundations of their civilization either because he is a marxist, a muslim, etc... Also, along class lines that matter in terms of McCain's ability to take Democrats like Reagan did. I remember the black and white liberals around me growing up having the same reaction to Reagan, though a historic place for blacks was within the Republican party.

363 LeePro  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:55:02am

re: #354 Bob in Breckenridge

The guy, like his wife, are what's wrong with affirmative action. They both got where they are not because of what they accomplished, but rather because of the color of their skin.
They're too blind to see that affirmative action is another way of saying "You're too stupid to make it on your own, so we'll lower the goal posts so you don't have to be as smart or work as hard as everybody else."
If the truth hurts...Oh well.

Geez, Bob.
Why are you ranting on me? I said nothing about affirmative action!

I'm one of the 'good guys' here.

Geez!

364 Bob in Breckenridge  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:55:41am

re: #351 tokyobk

Before I answer that, I'd love to know what these "threats" are that President
Reagan imposed and/or implied that supposedly caused Black Americans to fear him.

365 redc1c4  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:56:41am

re: #359 JustMyView

Your response is really offensive. You've questioned someone's objectivity without providing the slightest evidence to support your case. If you can't find one simple example, you're way off base. You might look at what he had to say about Obama's Auschwitz vs. Buchenwald error and see whether he is "spinning like a top" in favor of Obama.

Really, you just can't make those kinds of claims without some facts to back them up.

what's really offensive is your pathetic lack of a response. you seem to have no problem making a response without any facts, because i see zero links in your post.

366 gop_patriot  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:57:49am

re: #356 redc1c4

Oh wow, that's just so much too handle. You're a good friend, I know that has helped them. :) Cool song, btw, I'm having 80s flashbacks between that one and the truly scary Loverboy link upthread. ;)

/and just cause it irritates you- (((((red))))) a big hug just filled with girl cooties. neener neener

367 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:59:26am

re: #359 JustMyView

Offensive?

/spin this disgusting [expletive deleted] and those that eat it like candy

368 wolfie  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 12:59:45am

re: #359 JustMyView

1. I've been reading the WaPo for 30 years and am very familiar w/ Dobbs.
2. I can claim anything I damn well please.
3. I hereby claim that you are being a twit.
4. My earlier post was not offensive. This is an offensive post.

369 JustMyView  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:00:58am

re: #362 tokyobk

Obama is failing to connect with a segment of white people who see him as threating the foundations of their civilization either because he is a marxist, a muslim, etc... Also, along class lines that matter in terms of McCain's ability to take Democrats like Reagan did. I remember the black and white liberals around me growing up having the same reaction to Reagan, though a historic place for blacks was within the Republican party.

I'm not an expert in voting patterns, but my impression has been that blacks have been solidly Democratic since FDR. Current Republicans like to claim that because their ancestry goes back to Lincoln and because liberal Northern Republicans voted for civil rights legislation in the 1960s, they are the party of racial justice. In fact, though, those liberal and moderate Republicans have barely been able to survive in the modern Republican party, and the formerly "Solid (Democratic) South" turned Republican after LBJ pushed through civil rights legislation.

370 Bob in Breckenridge  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:01:10am

re: #362 tokyobk

You are a moron. THE ONLY REASON OBAMA IS CONNECTING WITH BLACKS IS BECAUSE HE'S BLACK. IF I, OR ANYBODY ELSE ON LGF SAID WE'RE VOTING FOR A GUY BECAUSE OF HIS SKIN COLOR WE'D BE CALLED RACISTS.

371 LeePro  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:01:31am

re: #366 gop_patriot

Oh wow, that's just so much too handle. You're a good friend, I know that has helped them. :) Cool song, btw, I'm having 80s flashbacks between that one and the truly scary Loverboy link upthread. ;)

/and just cause it irritates you- (((((red))))) a big hug just filled with girl cooties. neener neener

DITTO!

redc1c4 -
It may just be time to lose the attitude. We care about you and pray for you and your friends!

/serious

372 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:01:43am

Good night, Lizards. Wish I could stay all night but the morning comes early and I have a busy day. Take care, all. Love you.

373 JustMyView  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:02:35am

re: #365 redc1c4

what's really offensive is your pathetic lack of a response. you seem to have no problem making a response without any facts, because i see zero links in your post.

You misunderstand the logic of argument, my friend. When you make a claim, you have to support it. I'm not the one who made the claim re Michael Dobbs.

374 tokyobk  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:02:39am

re: #364 Bob in Breckenridge

Before I answer that, I'd love to know what these "threats" are that President
Reagan imposed and/or implied that supposedly caused Black Americans to fear him.

Black Americans at the time of Reagan saw him as trying to dismantle the Welfare state as an excuse to roll back civil rights gains such as Brown versus Board of Education, etc...

I am not saying that was NOT paranoid or that Reagan was a closet racist. I am saying that many lifelong black Republicans became democrats.

However, the span of time in whcih black Americans in all parts of the US were gauranteed equality under law and equal opportunity in the public and private sector was rather short at that time which makes such paranois more understandable than, for example, now.

PS, you can say that Michelle is the product of affirmative action but Obama both in school and in this campaign has distinguished himself as a man of many abilities and it would be dangerous denial for people who oppose his politics to assume so.

375 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:03:01am

re: #370 Bob in Breckenridge

You are a moron. THE ONLY REASON OBAMA IS CONNECTING WITH BLACKS IS BECAUSE HE'S BLACK. IF I, OR ANYBODY ELSE ON LGF SAID WE'RE VOTING FOR A GUY BECAUSE OF HIS SKIN COLOR WE'D BE CALLED RACISTS.

/he's not even black, and that's a fact

376 redc1c4  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:04:22am

re: #366 gop_patriot

Oh wow, that's just so much too handle. You're a good friend, I know that has helped them. :) Cool song, btw, I'm having 80s flashbacks between that one and the truly scary Loverboy link upthread. ;)

/and just cause it irritates you- (((((red))))) a big hug just filled with girl cooties. neener neener

careful: i'll ruin you for normal men. %-)

377 tokyobk  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:05:03am

re: #370 Bob in Breckenridge

You are a moron. THE ONLY REASON OBAMA IS CONNECTING WITH BLACKS IS BECAUSE HE'S BLACK. IF I, OR ANYBODY ELSE ON LGF SAID WE'RE VOTING FOR A GUY BECAUSE OF HIS SKIN COLOR WE'D BE CALLED RACISTS.

Wow, Bob, I wonder why conversations about historical trends get you so worked up and personal. Take a deep breath, dude.

In fact, the premise of my post is that blacks are connecting with Obama because he is black.

378 Bob in Breckenridge  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:05:23am

re: #363 LeePro

Geez, Bob.
Why are you ranting on me? I said nothing about affirmative action!

I'm one of the 'good guys' here.

Geez!

It's not you, I'm sorry. But this black "victim" mentality pisses me off. If they think their life is so damn bad here, and this applies to all liberals, there's no wall keeping you here. Get the hell out. See where it's better, and you'll be begging to come back. I've about fuckin' had it with these whining losers.

379 LeePro  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:05:42am

re: #368 wolfie

1. I've been reading the WaPo for 30 years and am very familiar w/ Dobbs.
2. I can claim anything I damn well please.
3. I hereby claim that you are being a twit.
4. My earlier post was not offensive. This is an offensive post.

DING10
[to the 10th power]

380 redc1c4  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:05:54am

re: #367 Killian Bundy

Offensive?

/spin this disgusting [expletive deleted] and those that eat it like candy

well, it's okay..... he's white.

/SARC!

381 BlueCanuck  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:06:30am

re: #373 JustMyView

Oh just go away. every time you have come on here you stirred up shit and called everyone liars and claimed that our fears about BHO are unjustified. You have pooh-poohed any links or statements made asking for links that are not linked to a blog. If you don't think blogs are that trustworthy why do you even come here. From here on in you are on GAZE and scroll over. No longer worth the effort to talk to or try to teach.

382 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:06:48am

re: #377 tokyobk

In fact, the premise of my post is that blacks are connecting with Obama because he is black.

/his mother is white, one drop rule?

383 redc1c4  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:07:43am

re: #377 tokyobk

Wow, Bob, I wonder why conversations about historical trends get you so worked up and personal. Take a deep breath, dude.

In fact, the premise of my post is that blacks are connecting with Obama because he is black.

but actually, Obama isn't "black", as percentages go.

now what? maybe admit that they're all voting on color, and not on content?

384 JustMyView  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:07:55am

re: #368 wolfie

1. I've been reading the WaPo for 30 years and am very familiar w/ Dobbs.
2. I can claim anything I damn well please.
3. I hereby claim that you are being a twit.
4. My earlier post was not offensive. This is an offensive post.

You are entirely right in saying that you can claim anything you please, but if you want anyone to believe it, you should consider providing some evidence to support your claim.

But let me help you out. Here's Dobbs's analysis of the Obama's Buchenwald vs. Auschwitz error. Actually, this is a defense of his original statement, as he was criticized for being too harsh in his first statement. You'll find a link to the first statement in this piece. Check them out and let me know whether you're willing to stand behind your characterization of Dobbs.

385 redc1c4  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:08:44am

re: #381 BlueCanuck

Oh just go away. every time you have come on here you stirred up shit and called everyone liars and claimed that our fears about BHO are unjustified. You have pooh-poohed any links or statements made asking for links that are not linked to a blog. If you don't think blogs are that trustworthy why do you even come here. From here on in you are on GAZE and scroll over. No longer worth the effort to talk to or try to teach.

"CHANGE!"

drink? %-)

386 gop_patriot  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:09:50am

re: #376 redc1c4

careful: i'll ruin you for normal men. %-)

Too late, now you've gone and done it! I'm spoiled forever. ROFLOL

387 tokyobk  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:10:32am
/his mother is white, one drop rule?

Yeah, by the one drop rule, which was a stupid rule invented by slaveowners and segregationists and certianly extended by black Nationalists. I mean look at reverend Wright and tell me his is "black." In fact the dashiki makes him look even more like a white guy.

But I predict he will stop being black and start running as a white guy with a tan. But, it is going to be hard to get his wife to shut up and that may bite him in the ass later on.

388 Bob in Breckenridge  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:10:41am

re: #377 tokyobk

Wow, Bob, I wonder why conversations about historical trends get you so worked up and personal. Take a deep breath, dude.

In fact, the premise of my post is that blacks are connecting with Obama because he is black.

He is? Says who?

389 tokyobk  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:12:03am

re: #383 redc1c4

but actually, Obama isn't "black", as percentages go.

now what? maybe admit that they're all voting on color, and not on content?

By the terms that have existed in the US as opposed to the Caribbean or South America, Obama is black.

But, those rules will probably change and hopefully to the point where it does not matter at all.

390 Bob in Breckenridge  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:12:24am

re: #377 tokyobk

Wow, Bob, I wonder why conversations about historical trends get you so worked up and personal. Take a deep breath, dude.

In fact, the premise of my post is that blacks are connecting with Obama because he is black.

BTW, using your logic, he's also a muslim, since his Father was a muslim.

391 JustMyView  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:12:54am

re: #370 Bob in Breckenridge

You are a moron. THE ONLY REASON OBAMA IS CONNECTING WITH BLACKS IS BECAUSE HE'S BLACK. IF I, OR ANYBODY ELSE ON LGF SAID WE'RE VOTING FOR A GUY BECAUSE OF HIS SKIN COLOR WE'D BE CALLED RACISTS.

People have voted for political candidates out of ethnic pride for generations, especially when the candidate is a "first" from an underdog group. When JFK ran and was elected, Irish Catholics were over the moon.

Keep in mind that black people did not originally support Obama in especially large numbers. There was all that "is he black enough talk", and it was only when they got to know him better and he proved that he could win among white people that blacks began to support him almost universally.

392 Shaky Louie  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:14:11am

re: #381 BlueCanuck

Oh just go away. every time you have come on here you stirred up shit and called everyone liars ...


After reading some if it's posts, I had come to that same conclusion: "Muckraker".

/relieved it's not just me!

393 tokyobk  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:14:25am

re: #388 Bob in Breckenridge

He is? Says who?

He does, and so does the way that blacks in America have traditionally defined themselves and been defined.

Do you know who Homer Plessy, was?

394 tokyobk  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:15:18am

re: #390 Bob in Breckenridge

BTW, using your logic, he's also a muslim, since his Father was a muslim.

395 LeePro  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:15:44am

re: #373 JustMyView

You misunderstand the logic of argument, my friend. When you make a claim, you have to support it. I'm not the one who made the claim re Michael Dobbs.

[borrowing wolfie's technique]

1. I am quite sure that redc1c4 is not your friend
2. You misunderstand all logic.
3. We have made no "claim" other than the beliefs by/for which LGF stands.
4. You have made "claims" that are contrary to our collective beliefs here at LGF
5. It is your obligation to provide proof of your claims!

396 Bob in Breckenridge  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:15:52am

re: #389 tokyobk

Look, my point is not to argue the nuances of Obama with you. My point is that all the candidates should be judged as that great Republican Martin Luther King said- By the content of their character, not the color of their sin.

397 redc1c4  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:16:45am

re: #384 JustMyView

all i know is that the US Army never got near Auschwitz, and anyone with even a cursory, piss poor, public school education should know that. certainly someone running for public office. especially someone running for a major public office. sure as fuck someone running for President who planned on using said story for a public speech should know that. that he didn't either means he's a moron or a liar. pick one and get back to us.

398 tokyobk  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:17:50am

re: #390 Bob in Breckenridge

BTW, using your logic, he's also a muslim, since his Father was a muslim.

Actually, no. My logic is that humans produce humans and that race is a social construct. It was used to define "black" people like Walter White or Homer Plessy as "black" at a certain time and now by people like Reverend Wright or by the late Bob Marley or Barack Obama in a positive way.

Religion has not been heritable in the same way traditionally in the US.

399 Egfrow  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:17:58am

Random late night thought: If the UK is falling under control of a loser 5th Century culture, than America is not doing a good enough job at communicating the virtues of our culture. Hollywood liberals and their hyper active fantasy fog machine have obscured the real America to the outside world. Even to many hear. Liberals have the Mass media power and fewer and fewer Americans are free rational thinkers. The lack of will to fight for core principles from any side is pure testimony to that fact. The 5th column has done it's job well.

To any Brits rational free Brits left you are better off embracing American than Mecca. Figh.t for it and we will throw out our hands.

400 tokyobk  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:19:43am

re: #396 Bob in Breckenridge

Look, my point is not to argue the nuances of Obama with you. My point is that all the candidates should be judged as that great Republican Martin Luther King said- By the content of their character, not the color of their sin.


Yes, with respect, I am not sure they do nuance in Breckenridge!

Anyway, we agree on that for sure. Content of Character.

In my estimation, as I assume yours.McCain has a better one than Obama.

401 gop_patriot  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:19:46am

re: #384 JustMyView

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And here's a more representative sample of his left-wing bias.

As a former operator of the White House "propaganda machine", Scott McClellan lacks credibility as a critic of the press. But on the question of whether the American press did its job properly during the run-up to the Iraq war, it is difficult to argue with his conclusions. We failed you.

The next "fact check" column on McCain and his "verb tenses" is just as biased. Give me a break, this guy is a liberal who seems to be from what I have read, not only for Obama, but especially, against George Bush and the war effort.

By the way, Dobbs' column is considered a "blog" (you know, one of those unreliable thingies people link to around here), also- at least by his own paper the WaPo (check out the link).

402 redc1c4  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:19:47am

re: #386 gop_patriot

Too late, now you've gone and done it! I'm spoiled forever. ROFLOL

change one: tell your SO that every phone conversation has to be terminated on his end by him saying "i love you."

i do this simply on the grounds that if *anything* happens before we talk again, i want the last words 2H6 heard from me to have been that.....

/hopeless romantic

403 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:20:26am

re: #391 JustMyView

You're going to eventually get around to spinning the Rev Michael Pfleger video, right?

/it was las week at Trinity, what's your explanation for the congregation's enthusiasm for this bile?

404 JustMyView  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:21:03am

re: #381 BlueCanuck

Oh just go away. every time you have come on here you stirred up shit and called everyone liars and claimed that our fears about BHO are unjustified. You have pooh-poohed any links or statements made asking for links that are not linked to a blog. If you don't think blogs are that trustworthy why do you even come here. From here on in you are on GAZE and scroll over. No longer worth the effort to talk to or try to teach.

I haven't called anyone a liar. All I've done is ask for substantiation of claims that people have made, ideally substantiation that is stronger than "so and so said".

There's been lots of self-congratulation on LGF about how great the fact-checking is, but it seems that that fact-checking is limited to claims that are incompatible with the prevailing views of the group. But you are never in more trouble than when you believe you are complacent about being right because all your friends agree with you.

405 Bob in Breckenridge  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:21:16am

re: #384 JustMyView

You are entirely right in saying that you can claim anything you please, but if you want anyone to believe it, you should consider providing some evidence to support your claim.

But let me help you out. Here's Dobbs's analysis of the Obama's Buchenwald vs. Auschwitz error. Actually, this is a defense of his original statement, as he was criticized for being too harsh in his first statement. You'll find a link to the first statement in this piece. Check them out and let me know whether you're willing to stand behind your characterization of Dobbs.

In 2002, Obama said it was his grandfather. I can understand confusing Uncle and Great-Uncle. But Grandfather and Uncle? Nice try.

406 BlueCanuck  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:21:53am

re: #402 redc1c4

My god a crack just showed in your cynical/experienced armour. :)

/there's HOPE for this world yet.

//Yeah I know. DRINK

407 LeePro  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:22:04am

re: #397 redc1c4

all i know is that the US Army never got near Auschwitz, and anyone with even a cursory, piss poor, public school education should know that. certainly someone running for public office. especially someone running for a major public office. sure as fuck someone running for President who planned on using said story for a public speech should know that. that he didn't either means he's a moron or a liar. pick one and get back to us.

Ding [again]! ! !

Did you see my note to you at 371?

408 gop_patriot  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:23:21am

re: #402 redc1c4

change one: tell your SO that every phone conversation has to be terminated on his end by him saying "i love you."

He does, and I never ever had to ask. :)

409 LeePro  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:24:16am

re: #402 redc1c4

change one: tell your SO that every phone conversation has to be terminated on his end by him saying "i love you."

i do this simply on the grounds that if *anything* happens before we talk again, i want the last words 2H6 heard from me to have been that.....

/hopeless romantic

Awwwwww, what a {sweetie} you are!

410 JustMyView  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:24:17am

re: #397 redc1c4

all i know is that the US Army never got near Auschwitz, and anyone with even a cursory, piss poor, public school education should know that. certainly someone running for public office. especially someone running for a major public office. sure as fuck someone running for President who planned on using said story for a public speech should know that. that he didn't either means he's a moron or a liar. pick one and get back to us.

It was an error. I have no way of knowing how it came about, but I don't regard it as a terribly important mistake. It has much less significance for current decision-making than, say, McCain's errors this past week about how many troops are in Iraq. People who are neither morons nor liars commit errors; perhaps you have done so yourself.

411 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:25:05am

re: #404 JustMyView

I haven't called anyone a liar. All I've done is ask for substantiation of claims that people have made, ideally substantiation that is stronger than "so and so said".

There's been lots of self-congratulation on LGF about how great the fact-checking is, but it seems that that fact-checking is limited to claims that are incompatible with the prevailing views of the group. But you are never in more trouble than when you believe you are complacent about being right because all your friends agree with you.

/shall I post more videos?

412 JustMyView  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:27:30am

re: #403 Killian Bundy

You're going to eventually get around to spinning the Rev Michael Pfleger video, right?

/it was las week at Trinity, what's your explanation for the congregation's enthusiasm for this bile?

I have no explanation for it. Pfleger's performance is repulsive, and so is the response of the audience. Obama did the right thing by castigating Pfleger immediately.

413 BlueCanuck  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:27:41am

I once met a newt that said it was a brontosaurus on his mothers side. All I did was smile and nod. Being proud of your ancestors accomplishments is one thing but if trying to use your ancestors accomplishments to make your self look better get all the facts straight and ironed out perfectly.

414 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:27:49am

Wow....is it just me, or did it get more obtuse in here?

415 LeePro  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:27:52am

re: #404 JustMyView

I haven't called anyone a liar. All I've done is ask for substantiation of claims that people have made, ideally substantiation that is stronger than "so and so said".

There's been lots of self-congratulation on LGF about how great the fact-checking is, but it seems that that fact-checking is limited to claims that are incompatible with the prevailing views of the group. But you are never in more trouble than when you believe you are complacent about being right because all your friends agree with you.

You seem to have conveniently skimmed past this (a link you requested wayyyy) upthread)

416 Bob in Breckenridge  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:28:11am

re: #400 tokyobk

Yes, with respect, I am not sure they do nuance in Breckenridge!

Anyway, we agree on that for sure. Content of Character.

In my estimation, as I assume yours.McCain has a better one than Obama.

I'm no McCain fan. I admire his service to our country, and would not wish what happened to him in 'Nam upon anyone, but I wish I'd have a better choice instead of having to pick the least offensive.
Obama has a lot of potential, but his marxist views will turn off a lot of America, and it will have NOTHING to do with his skin color. Sorry if that disappoints you.

417 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:28:36am

re: #410 JustMyView

Are you a lumberjack?

/what's your favorite flavor of Rice-A-Roni

418 BlueCanuck  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:28:50am

re: #412 JustMyView

I have no explanation for it. Pfleger's performance is repulsive, and so is the response of the audience. Obama did the right thing by castigating Pfleger immediately.

So what took him so long to castigate Reverend Wright?

419 JustMyView  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:29:27am

re: #405 Bob in Breckenridge

In 2002, Obama said it was his grandfather. I can understand confusing Uncle and Great-Uncle. But Grandfather and Uncle? Nice try.

I don't think he said his grandfather liberated a concentration camp. I thought he said something about his grandfather having spoken to men who had liberated camps. But I don't have an exact quote.

420 BlueCanuck  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:29:40am

re: #414 Fenway_Nation

No it's obtuse in here. Time to fire up the BBQ I think.

421 JustMyView  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:30:30am

re: #415 LeePro

You seem to have conveniently skimmed past this (a link you requested wayyyy) upthread)

What was I supposed to do with it? I've said above what I think of TUCC.

422 JustMyView  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:31:53am

re: #418 BlueCanuck

So what took him so long to castigate Reverend Wright?

You know, I am not responsible for him. Probably it would have been good for him to cut himself off from Wright earlier, but he didn't consult me.

423 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:32:58am

re: #412 JustMyView

I have no explanation for it. Pfleger's performance is repulsive, and so is the response of the audience. Obama did the right thing by castigating Pfleger immediately.

It took him all of twenty years to figure it all out.

/can you spell P-O-L-I-T-C-A-L E-X-P-E-D-I-E-N-C-Y?

424 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:33:15am

That's OK....Trolly McLawngnome here skedaddled when I asked him why leftists defaulted flinging around any one of the 'fascist/racist/homophobic/islamophobic' labels when trying to debate with anyone to their right the other day....

/still waiting for an answer.

425 tokyobk  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:35:47am

re: #416 Bob in Breckenridge

Obama has a lot of potential, but his marxist views will turn off a lot of America, and it will have NOTHING to do with his skin color. Sorry if that disappoints you.

Not at all, Bob.

426 Panhandler  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:36:07am

re: #396 Bob in Breckenridge
Good one Bob, intentional or a typo?

427 redc1c4  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:36:37am

re: #371 LeePro

DITTO!

redc1c4 -
It may just be time to lose the attitude. We care about you and pray for you and your friends!

/serious

by all means, please pray for my friends..... and pray for my fellow Soldiers and their comrades from the other branches: Marines, Sailors, Airmen, Coasties, and all the unmentioned Dark Forces. Pray for their families and loved ones. pray for those who have gone before, and made this country the shining light on the hill, and pray that it ever remain that.

as for me? i'm Cav, but i thank you for caring!

Halfway down the trail to Hell,
In a shady meadow green
Are the Souls of all dead troopers camped,
Near a good old-time canteen.
And this eternal resting place
Is known as Fiddlers' Green.

Marching past, straight through to Hell
The Infantry are seen.
Accompanied by the Engineers,
Artillery and Marines,
For none but the shades of Cavalrymen
Dismount at Fiddlers' Green.

Though some go curving down the trail
To seek a warmer scene.
No trooper ever gets to Hell
Ere he's emptied his canteen.
And so rides back to drink again
With friends at Fiddlers' Green.

And so when man and horse go down
Beneath a saber keen,
Or in a roaring charge of fierce melee
You stop a bullet clean,
And the hostiles come to get your scalp,
Just empty your canteen,
And put your pistol to your head
And go to Fiddlers' Green.

"Scouts Out!"

428 JustMyView  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:37:02am

re: #423 Killian Bundy

It took him all of twenty years to figure it all out.

This is not a novel observation.

/can you spell P-O-L-I-T-C-A-L E-X-P-E-D-I-E-N-C-Y?

Yes, as a matter of fact, I can, apparently better than you can. You're missing an "i" in "political".

Good night, now.

429 gop_patriot  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:37:52am

re: #422 JustMyView

Oh good Lord.

430 gop_patriot  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:39:02am

Blue Canuck, how are you, I don't believe I've said hello to ya tonight. :) Hope things are well with you!

431 LeePro  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:39:02am

re: #420 BlueCanuck

No it's obtuse in here. Time to fire up the BBQ I think.

Roarin' blaze going now.

But alas! I must leave. Please save me some gamy pieces, along with fruitcup for dessert, of course!

Good night, {Beloved Lizards} and yes, that includes you, red!

;)

432 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:39:14am

Good night, Troll! Dream only of the Travelocity Roaming gnome....

433 gop_patriot  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:40:05am

re: #431 LeePro

Goodnight, sleep well! Talk to you tomorrow.

/after the crack of Noon ;)

434 rabidfox  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:40:26am

tokyobk: Obama isn't connecting with me, but it has absolutely nothing to do with race. The man's credentials are as thin as rice paper. (Like Hillary's) He seems to fold under pressure and to surrounded himself with antiAmerican marxists. While I'd like to see a black president, just to get this issue buried once and for all, Obama isn't the man. Hell, if he were to be elected, he'd end up setting black/white relations back 50 years by hin probable incompentance. Frankly, I'm hoping Hillary gets the dem nomination because I think the US could survive her, were she to win. But Obama? The man has no experience at anything like the presidency; hell, he's been handed everything he's done since law school. The white supremists will be able to point to him as proof of their beliefs.

435 BlueCanuck  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:42:15am

re: #430 gop_patriot

Yeah it's been a little heated tonight hasn't it. :)

re: #431 LeePro

Night {LeePro} have yourself a good sleep.

436 Syrah  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:44:13am

re: #422 JustMyView

You know, I am not responsible for him. Probably it would have been good for him to cut himself off from Wright earlier, but he didn't consult me.

What an odd way to respond.

437 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:45:23am

re: #428 JustMyView

Yes, as a matter of fact, I can, apparently better than you can. You're missing an "i" in "political".

Good night, now.

Yeah, I noticed that after I hit the submit button, you can never be to sure.

Rest up and get a good night's sleep, because Michelle Obama may be dominating the news cycle as early as later today.

/and rumor has it, it won't be pretty

438 redc1c4  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:45:25am

re: #395 LeePro

[borrowing wolfie's technique]

1. I am quite sure that redc1c4 is not your friend
2. You misunderstand all logic.
3. We have made no "claim" other than the beliefs by/for which LGF stands.
4. You have made "claims" that are contrary to our collective beliefs here at LGF
5. It is your obligation to provide proof of your claims!


/smackdown!

"friend" my ass...... %-)

439 Bob in Breckenridge  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:46:08am

re: #426 Panhandler

Good one Bob, intentional or a typo?

Huh? What was it I said that was NOT correct?

440 redc1c4  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:46:29am

re: #422 JustMyView

you're a pedantic idiot.

HTH!

441 gop_patriot  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:47:17am

re: #439 Bob in Breckenridge

Huh? What was it I said that was NOT correct?

By the content of their character, not the color of their sin.

:)

442 BlueCanuck  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:48:27am

re: #440 redc1c4

I say we tag him and bag him next time he shows up. I don't need to get my temper up this late at night.

443 Panhandler  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:48:28am

re: #439 Bob in Breckenridge

"By the color of their sin"?

444 redc1c4  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:49:45am

re: #398 tokyobk

Actually, no. My logic is that humans produce humans and that race is a social construct. It was used to define "black" people like Walter White or Homer Plessy as "black" at a certain time and now by people like Reverend Wright or by the late Bob Marley or Barack Obama in a positive way.

Religion has not been heritable in the same way traditionally in the US.

but American "traditions" have nothing to do with Islamic law.....

you might want to study up on the things you're talking about, so that you won't come across as completely clueless in the future.......

/unlikely, but hope spring eternal! %-)

445 Bob in Breckenridge  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:49:51am

re: #441 gop_patriot

:)

well...they committed sins also.

/Note to self. Hire an editor to review my posts.

446 Bob in Breckenridge  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:50:35am

re: #441 gop_patriot

And don't be so damn picky!

447 gop_patriot  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:52:12am

re: #440 redc1c4
re: #442 BlueCanuck

LOL

Well, y'all, I've got to get up in 3 1/2 hours and bathe a 4 year old who reeeeally hates baths. ;) So I'd better get a little sleep.

448 Panhandler  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:52:34am

re: #445 Bob in Breckenridge

well...they committed sins also.

/Note to self. Hire an editor to review my posts.

*Bob frantically scans Yellow Pages looking for 24 hour tap dancing school.*

449 gop_patriot  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:53:36am

re: #446 Bob in Breckenridge

Ha! Well I wasn't the one who pointed it out in the first place. Didn't even notice it the first time, until someone else did (panhandler you know who you are lol). X)

450 gop_patriot  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:54:21am

re: #448 Panhandler

You're a sockpuppet now? Cute avatar!
ROFL

451 Panhandler  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 1:56:23am

re: #450 gop_patriot

You're a sockpuppet now? Cute avatar!
ROFL

It's my new persona. No more stern, now just cudddly and confusing - is he or isn't he?

452 BlueCanuck  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:03:07am

hmmmm, where's littleoldlady today?

453 tokyobk  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:03:33am

re: #444 redc1c4

but American "traditions" have nothing to do with Islamic law.....

you might want to study up on the things you're talking about, so that you won't come across as completely clueless in the future.......

/unlikely, but hope spring eternal! %-)

454 BlueCanuck  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:04:20am

Ruurrooo Shaggy.


Good morning, afternoon, evening *Everyone*

Fruitcup™ is on the buffet ----------->

455 Panhandler  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:04:53am

Thank you Blue. red is in need of physical nourishment and I skipped dinner last night.

456 tokyobk  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:05:31am

re: #444 redc1c4

but American "traditions" have nothing to do with Islamic law.....

you might want to study up on the things you're talking about, so that you won't come across as completely clueless in the future.......

/unlikely, but hope spring eternal! %-)

Everyone is so quick with the insults here.

Actually, the point made to me was that by "my" logic Obama is a Muslim because his father was a Muslim so I amswered that neither in my nor in American concepts is Obama a Muslim since in America freedom to chose religion is part of our cultural fiber.

I am quite aware that this is different than what is held by the Sharia.

457 Panhandler  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:05:56am

re: #453 tokyobk

Are we supposed to intuit your response or is it that you have nothing more to say?

458 BlueCanuck  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:06:01am

re: #455 Panhandler

your welcome, and we all know where red gets his nourishment. :)

/scotch single malts. or a good bottle of wine.

459 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:06:07am

Isn't it past time for Fruitcup?

460 littleoldlady  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:06:16am

WHOOPSIE!

Good (sorta late) morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ----------------->
Help yourselves!

I have to get moving early today. :-(

Good day, ALL!&trade

461 Panhandler  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:06:59am

re: #457 Panhandler

Are we supposed to intuit your response or is it that you have nothing more to say?


Nope, he did have something more.

462 BlueCanuck  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:10:02am

re: #460 littleoldlady

Hi littleoldlady, bye littleoldlady may you hang around a little longer tomorrow. :)

463 redc1c4  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:11:06am

re: #454 BlueCanuck

Ruurrooo Shaggy.


Good morning, afternoon, evening *Everyone*

Fruitcup™ is on the buffet ----------->

aren't you glad i stole it out of the locker?

464 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:12:18am

Does my Fruitcup have Kiwis in it?

465 Panhandler  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:12:24am

re: #463 redc1c4

aren't you glad i stole it out of the locker?


One does not steal, one "appropriates" for a nobler cause.

466 tokyobk  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:12:30am

re: #434 rabidfox

tokyobk: Obama isn't connecting with me, but it has absolutely nothing to do with race. The man's credentials are as thin as rice paper. (Like Hillary's) He seems to fold under pressure and to surrounded himself with antiAmerican marxists. While I'd like to see a black president, just to get this issue buried once and for all, Obama isn't the man. Hell, if he were to be elected, he'd end up setting black/white relations back 50 years by hin probable incompentance. Frankly, I'm hoping Hillary gets the dem nomination because I think the US could survive her, were she to win. But Obama? The man has no experience at anything like the presidency; hell, he's been handed everything he's done since law school. The white supremists will be able to point to him as proof of their beliefs.

I agree with almost all of this and fear you are right. I will vote for John McCain. But I also kind of like Jim Webb and wonder if Obama will pick him for VP.

467 BlueCanuck  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:15:52am

re: #463 redc1c4

Don't forget I am the keeper of the super secret fridge. ;)

/always have back up
//and get your beer out of there.

468 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:16:18am

re: #465 Panhandler

One does not steal, one "appropriates" for a nobler cause.

Are you sure you're not with the Obama Campaign?

469 redc1c4  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:16:52am

re: #456 tokyobk

Everyone is so quick with the insults here.

Actually, the point made to me was that by "my" logic Obama is a Muslim because his father was a Muslim so I amswered that neither in my nor in American concepts is Obama a Muslim since in America freedom to chose religion is part of our cultural fiber.

I am quite aware that this is different than what is held by the Sharia.

and, under "sharia" or "muslim" law, which is held to be applicable regardless of location, jurisdiction or personal preference, he's a muslim.

what's your point?

granted, under American law and customs, he can choose & practice *any* religious belief he desires, but under the religion of his birth, he faces a death threat if he does.

/esplain away Lucy

470 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:16:55am

re: #465 Panhandler

One does not steal, one "appropriates" for a nobler cause.

Pay attention.

Many of you are well enough off that the tax cuts may have helped you. We're saying that for America to get back on track, we're probably going to cut that short and not give it to you. We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.

/Comrade Clinton

471 redc1c4  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:18:16am

re: #467 BlueCanuck

Don't forget I am the keeper of the super secret fridge. ;)

/always have back up
//and get your beer out of there.

can i leave the Yukon Jack, eh?

472 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:20:20am

re: #470 Killian Bundy

Pay attention.

Many of you are well enough off that the tax cuts may have helped you. We're saying that for America to get back on track, we're probably going to cut that short and not give it to you. We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.

/Comrade Clinton

Yet she's coming after BHO from the right.....

scary, huh?/

473 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:21:43am

re: #472 Fenway_Nation

Yet she's coming after BHO from the right.....

scary, huh?/

/indescribably so

474 BlueCanuck  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:22:59am

re: #471 redc1c4

Yeah, the Yukon Jack is acceptable. Doesn't require as much space. :)

475 redc1c4  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:24:39am

re: #472 Fenway_Nation

Yet she's coming after BHO from the right.....

scary, huh?/

maybe if we put in some punji sticks, she'll self medicate in the process....

/long as it's midnight at a crossroads.

476 tokyobk  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:25:25am

re: #469 redc1c4

and, under "sharia" or "muslim" law, which is held to be applicable regardless of location, jurisdiction or personal preference, he's a muslim.

what's your point?

granted, under American law and customs, he can choose & practice *any* religious belief he desires, but under the religion of his birth, he faces a death threat if he does.

/esplain away Lucy

I was answering a specific question about my assumptions and the historical definition of race (heritable by one drop from either parent) and religion (not heritable by either). That was my point and I assume you did not see the earlier question. If the point is that he is still a Muslim by Muslim law then of course that is correct.

477 redc1c4  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:25:31am

re: #474 BlueCanuck

Yeah, the Yukon Jack is acceptable. Doesn't require as much space. :)

trust me when i tell you the beer won't take up that much space for very long......

/pass me another?

478 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:26:01am

re: #475 redc1c4

maybe if we put in some punji sticks, she'll self medicate in the process....

/long as it's midnight at a crossroads.

Douse her with Holy water.

/see what happens

479 redc1c4  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:28:27am

re: #476 tokyobk

I was answering a specific question about my assumptions and the historical definition of race (heritable by one drop from either parent) and religion (not heritable by either). That was my point and I assume you did not see the earlier question. If the point is that he is still a Muslim by Muslim law then of course that is correct.

and if that is correct, then my other contentions are also, and you are wrong, because it it *their* definition that governs, not yours.

thanks for playing!

(the hospitality Lizard will be by with your parting gifts. %-)

480 Syrah  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:28:33am

re: #478 Killian Bundy

Douse her with Holy water.

/see what happens

She would melt.

481 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:30:19am

Shit...looks like there's some MoToon-related blowback in Pakistan today.

482 tokyobk  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:32:21am

re: #479 redc1c4

and if that is correct, then my other contentions are also, and you are wrong, because it it *their* definition that governs, not yours.

thanks for playing!

(the hospitality Lizard will be by with your parting gifts. %-)

Playing what with whom? Wrong about what?

And no their definition does not need to win. I do not agree with the Sharia or with the one-drop rule.

483 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:35:38am

From the article....

In April, Danish intelligence officials warned of an "aggravated" terror threat against Denmark because of the cartoon. The warning specifically singled Pakistan, along with North Africa, the Middle East and Afghanistan.

Gosh...what do all these countries have in common? I thought for sure the greatest threats to Denmark in response to the MoToons would be from Norway, Australia and the Andean countries.

484 redc1c4  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:36:10am

re: #482 tokyobk

Playing what with whom? Wrong about what?

And no their definition does not need to win. I do not agree with the Sharia or with the one-drop rule.

1. you're wrong about everything.
2. sharia & 1 drop are two different things, so quit trying to link them.

pick a side: either you support islam or you don't.

/so far, i'm thinking "do"

485 Robert O.  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:39:31am

Don't miss this excellent video!

Obama and Iran

486 tokyobk  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:40:19am

re: #484 redc1c4

1. you're wrong about everything.
2. sharia & 1 drop are two different things, so quit trying to link them.

pick a side: either you support islam or you don't.

/so far, i'm thinking "do"

I was not linking either. I do not support Islam.
I was answering a question about both my and the traditional US concept of race and 'black' which you jumped into the middle of without reading or caring to read the earlier context. Anway, best wishes to you. If you would like ot have a meaningful conversation with me, I am happy to do that.

487 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:41:28am

Good morning, Lizards.

488 BlueCanuck  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:44:14am

good morning goddess.

489 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:45:37am

Today's the last (half day) of school for the kids. I have SO MUCH to do in the next two days. I'm going to try to sneak out of the sports assembly to do paperwork...

490 redc1c4  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:49:28am

re: #486 tokyobk

I was not linking either. I do not support Islam.
I was answering a question about both my and the traditional US concept of race and 'black' which you jumped into the middle of without reading or caring to read the earlier context. Anway, best wishes to you. If you would like ot have a meaningful conversation with me, I am happy to do that.

the first requirement for a "meaningful conversation" would be for you to define said meanings, since the appear to be somewhat amorphous in your use.

i gives less than a damn about the "traditional" definition of race (with which i likely have more experience with than you, and on the short end of the stick at that) but care *very* much about the *real* definition of being a muslim and how that may effect the safety of my native land.

he's a bullshit artist, as are his defenders. prove yourself otherwise.

491 Captain Jack  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:50:11am

The Clinton's heads must be spinning. They thought their media popularity was all about their wonderful personalities when it was really about liberal ideological alignment and power. The Libs and their media enablers have a new project named Barak Obama and now that Clinton "Magic" just does not seem to work. All their flaws and mistakes are suddenly getting serious attention.

492 CatsPaw  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:51:33am

re: #137 Adrenalyn

Do you remember Norman Lear and Rob Reiner?

493 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:57:51am
494 tokyobk  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 2:58:52am

re: #490 redc1c4


he's a bullshit artist, as are his defenders. prove yourself otherwise.


Could you please just check everything I have said and tell me why you think I am a defender of Barack Obama. I think there are obvious political skills on his part that are sometimes denied by people here and elsewhere and I think this is a mistake. The Clinton's made the mistake of underestimating him. But I am neither a defender of Obama nor a voter of his.

As for proving myself to you or anyone, I just don't find that neccessary. Nor do you need to prove to me anything.

By the way, you really did come into the middle of a conversation with some assumptions about me and what I was trying to convey.
I bet if you relaxed and stopped seeing our exchange as a pissing contest you might find we agree on alot and are probably equally interested in the wellbeing of America.

495 Crepuscular Prick  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 3:01:06am

Obama: “I’m not denouncing the Hillary and I’m not interested in people who want me to denounce the Hillary,” he said, adding that "sooner or later, she too had to take her turn under the bus."

496 tokyobk  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 3:02:06am

re: #490 redc1c4

i gives less than a damn about the "traditional" definition of race (with which i likely have more experience with than you, and on the short end of the stick at that) but care *very* much about the *real* definition of being a muslim and how that may effect the safety of my native land.

I am genuinely curious about what you mean by this. What do you mean by 'more experience.' I would like to know what assumptions you have about my and your experience. Also, by your "native land" you mean the US?

497 redc1c4  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 3:02:33am

re: #493 ploome hineni

regarding:

"...the traditional US concept of race and 'black' "

does not differ much from the world concept, EXCEPT that 'blacks' in America are wealthier, more educated than in any other country in the world

now you're gonna go and confuse the foole with facts....

/they're mighty inconvenient things %-)

498 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 3:05:33am

Two more Bolivian provinces held autonomy votes this weekend- this might get ugly. Wonder if Chavez will keep his lap dog Morales on a short leash....

499 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 3:10:26am

Have a great day, Lizards.

500 tokyobk  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 3:10:31am

re: #497 redc1c4

now you're gonna go and confuse the foole with facts....

/they're mighty inconvenient things %-)

Actually, no. In most parts of the world with a large African presence, the one-drop rule was never used as a definition of 'black' which created a large mulatto or colored class which Obama would be considered especially as education was also factored. But, ultimately, one-drop and all racial classifications are a waste of time and impediment to an equal society.

501 redc1c4  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 3:17:13am

re: #500 tokyobk

Actually, no. In most parts of the world with a large African presence, the one-drop rule was never used as a definition of 'black' which created a large mulatto or colored class which Obama would be considered especially as education was also factored. But, ultimately, one-drop and all racial classifications are a waste of time and impediment to an equal society.


but yet Cake Boy insists on running his race on race. your "knowledge" of race relations and the internal interactions therein are not even PowerPoint deep.

502 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 3:25:59am

Iran closes semi-official news agency(Fars News)

Iran's state news agency IRNA says authorities have ordered the temporary closure of a semi-official news agency, Fars, for false reporting and disturbing public opinion.

The IRNA report does not elaborate. But a governmental news Web site, Borna, says the agency was closed on Monday for three days because it carried a report that the head of Iran's Central Bank, Tahmasb Mazaheri, had been replaced by first vice president Parviz Davoodi.

Thang's could boil-over in the Islamofascist state; Supreme Fubar's having fits Iraq could very likely maintain a US presence for years - provided the Obamassiah doesn't give the keys to Baghdad away. Their economy is so screwed-up, no one knows how bad - food prices are going through the roof. The UK and EU have removed the PMOI(MEK) from their list of terrorist organizations(third story down)--the US will be doing the same come October--and the UK must evidently considering stiffer sanctions.

There has also been a rash of Iranian axis-dents with all manner of stuff reportedly going BOOM! -- stuff they are definitely trying not to advertise -- and the Mullah's are sweating-out Bush's time remaining in office, rooting for you-know-who(although they deny it, kinda).

Iran needs one real good push, even for as nasty as events would likely turn - screw Russia and China, our pals in Germany, the EU.

Mornin folks.

503 tokyobk  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 3:30:44am

re: #501 redc1c4

but yet Cake Boy insists on running his race on race. your "knowledge" of race relations and the internal interactions therein are not even PowerPoint deep.

Hmmmm... except I largely agree with you.

I think you are looking for an Obama supporter to spar with. Sorry, I am not that person.

504 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 4:05:30am
505 too-old to-???  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 4:07:08am

I just read four paragraphs.

Can I get refund?

506 CatsPaw  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 4:11:00am

re: #405 Bob in Breckenridge

In 2002, Obama said it was his grandfather. I can understand confusing Uncle and Great-Uncle. But Grandfather and Uncle? Nice try.

The really interesting thing to me was that Obama's great-uncle enlisted in the NAVY. I read this last night in one of the many pages I came upon. I'm sorry I can't provide a link.

507 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 4:11:32am
508 quickjustice  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 4:25:59am

From the Vanity Fair article about Bill Clinton:

"It is Clinton’s invariable insistence that his problems are someone else’s fault, and that questions or criticisms of him, his methods, motives, or means are invariably unfair, that is his unforgivable flaw."

It occur to anyone that this also describes Obama?

509 tokyobk  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 4:27:29am

re: #504 taxfreekiller

#494

toybook

Thing is he has no skills other than the ability to sell out to the Chicago mob, George Soros, and the Commie way, if that takes skill
then Marx worked for a living.

We shall see, but so far he has shown that one underestimates him at their peril.

510 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 4:28:15am
511 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 4:30:47am
512 tokyobk  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 4:32:28am

re: #511 taxfreekiller

We do not underestimate the evil of the mob,or George Soros or world wide commie crap, the little gofer's are interchangeable, O'cclut will in the end get the Vanity Fair kiss off too, also.

Absolutely. Obama may ride an 8 year cycle of power to be torn down the way Clinton is being torn down.

513 FrogMarch  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 5:59:24am

I detest Vanity Fair. Utter left-wing crap. I like that the Clinton's aren't considered left-wing enough.

514 Challenger  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 5:59:45am

Wow. And they're just now coming out with this garbage? For years they ignored his personal associations and dalliances. Must be the VLWC kicking in.

515 DistantThunder  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 6:01:29am

My favorite quote in the VF article says something like:

"So who wouldn't rather spend time with a smart 20 year old than a 45 year old?"

I laughed and laughed and laughed.....I'm 48, my oldest daughter is 22, and I'm waaaaaaaaay more interesting....but obviously not to a horndog.

"smart 20 year old" indeed.

516 FrogMarch  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 6:01:44am

re: #4 rawmuse

This is perhaps the most puzzling and uncomfortable thing about the DNC clash for the nomination, how once loyal Clinton supporters have come to hate them, and how easily they do it.

I've hated the Clintons all along. I see it as poetic justice. Karmic relief.

517 Naso Tang  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 6:15:17am

re: #13 slokat

The piece reads like someone heard something, and added other gossip, but didn't have good sources & decided to write it anyhow.

I was hoping for some beef and read the first page; but no way was I going to wade through another 7 of self serving waffle. People get paid money to this, and others get paid to talk about it?

518 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 6:42:47am
519 eric  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 7:02:21am

The party is sick of the Clintons. They made a deal with the devil back in 1992 and they are still paying for it. The party will self destruct rather than have the Clintons back in power. Sort of a destroy the village to save it situation. Think of it as Clinton chemotherapy.

520 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 7:08:47am
521 Cognito  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 7:11:29am

I'm cracking up.

There's nothing written on paper that will please the readership of this blog, I think; there's a reaction -- "Typical!" or "Terrible!" or "Yawn" and so forth -- that shows up even within two minutes of the post.

Either we have some fantastic speed readers on the roll, or clairvoyants, or -- could it be? -- there's a bit of thinking en masse going on here.

A mystery.

522 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 7:21:33am
523 chinesearithmetic  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 8:36:08am

Vanity Fair. Where the vermin meet to eat.

524 czekmark  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 9:23:58am

One should expect nothing less from a person that is basically amoral.

525 Alibaba  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 10:10:05am

Don't forget (people have forgotten0 that Democratic hitman (operative) Bob Beckel who is frequently on cable was involved in a prostitution scandal. He "ordered out" from a website and the young lady figured out who he was and tried to blackmaile him. I mention this only because the MSM carries on about GOP scandals but rehabilitates disgusting Democratic operatives. Bill and Hill are being thrown under the bus but when the DNC needs them, they will be called back. This should be a lesson to Hillary, Bill Boy, Ickes, Begala, Carville and that whole crew. re: #10 talon_262

526 Alibaba  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 10:12:02am

re: #523 chinesearithmetic
Vanity Fair is the mouthpiece of the DNC. Graydon Carter, or whatever his name is, is a revolting old hippie who publishes his stupid "editor's note" every month and spends precious pages bashing W., the GOP and other conservatives. He is a sick man who should go back to writing about vapid celebrities. Vanity Fair is what happens when you suffer Bush Derangement Syndrome.

527 Alibaba  Mon, Jun 2, 2008 10:39:53am

re: #19 joecitizen

and as I said earlier,he rips off a quote from Alice Roosevelt about daddy Teddy in the 2nd paragraph...with malice aforethought and,of course,without attribution..sure sign of a hack writer that should be hackin' a cab instead...


I am reading the book A President out of the Office (or out of Power, I can't remember the exact title) which has similar quotes about Boy Bill. The most egregious quotes are the ones that defend Clinton by Jonathan Alter, a totally leftwing hack. The bottom line is that the Left no longer loves the Billary show but the Obama show is actually worse and far more dangerous. Bill is in love with Bill and Hillary is in love with Bill - the perfect triangle! He is still consumed with his "legacy".


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