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Associated Press Says Hillary's Quitting, Hillary Says 'Absolutely Not'

Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 8:42:41 am PDT

The Associated Press insists that Hillary Clinton is bailing out tonight, but according to cable news channels Terry McAuliffe says “absolutely not:” Clinton set to concede delegate race to Obama.

WASHINGTON - Hillary Rodham Clinton will concede Tuesday night that Barack Obama has the delegates to secure the Democratic nomination, campaign officials said, effectively ending her bid to be the nation’s first female president.

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1 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:43:10am
2 Sharmuta  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:43:20am

Give 'em hell, Hill!

3 loppyd  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:43:35am

This could get even more delicious.

4 Sharmuta  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:43:46am

Hell hath no fury like a Hillary scorned.

5 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:44:10am

re: #4 Sharmuta

Hell hath no fury like a Hillary scorned.

which is why I would not count her out.

6 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:44:41am

Thank goodness she returned my call. It took hours.

7 saberry0530  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:44:50am

Wishful thinking by the MSM. Now, where is my bowl of popcorn.....

8 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:45:26am

re: #7 saberry0530

Wishful thinking by the MSM. Now, where is my bowl of popcorn.....

Just the Obamasiah warming up the spin machine and taking it for a test drive.

9 Maximu§  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:45:26am

All hail Prince Obama......on your knee's dogs!

/s

10 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:45:35am

All this 'Is she, ain't she' crap is just more fodder for the media cannon(s).

11 firebreather  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:45:36am

"This is nothing but a foul, evil & wretched Zionist scheme to poison the minds of the ummah & insult the great religion of Islam..."

/CAIR press release/non-sequitur

12 loppyd  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:45:38am

Chris Matthews may need smelling salts.

13 Sharmuta  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:45:40am

re: #5 Creeping Eruption

Barbara Olson (may she rest in Peace) knew what she was talking about.

14 jcm  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:45:41am

Denver! Denver! Denver! Denver! Denver! Denver! Denver! Denver!

15 Ojoe  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:45:53am

Go Hillary, you would be way better for the country than Obama.

16 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:46:35am

Is you is, or is you ain't my baby?

17 RedSoxNation  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:46:38am

Did any of you see the women at the DNC meeting this last weekend? Hell hath no fury like a Hillary Supporter from New York scorned....she was nuts...

18 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:46:47am

re: #14 jcm

Denver! Denver! Denver! Denver! Denver! Denver! Denver! Denver!


say it louder!

DENVER! DENVER! DENVER! DENVER! DENVER! DENVER! DENVER! DENVER! DENVER! DENVER!

19 coquimbojoe  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:46:50am

I don't want her campaign to end yet... I like the trouble she is causing for the left....

20 saberry0530  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:46:53am

re: #14 jcm

Denver! Denver! Denver! Denver! Denver! Denver! Denver! Denver!

Watch it there JCM, they might try to chuck ya out the hall if your not careful.

/s

21 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:47:03am

Schroedinger's Campaign; simultaneously alive and dead.

22 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:47:12am

re: #16 Occasional Reader

Lately baby something's made me doubt.

23 MES41067  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:47:14am

Just like the msn keep saying it until it becomes the so called truth.

24 VegasRick  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:47:27am

re: #16 Occasional Reader

Is you is, or is you ain't my baby?

Depends on your definition of "is".

25 zombie  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:47:33am

People still REVILE the Hearst newspapers for "creating the news" when he hyped the Sinking of the Maine in Havana Harbor in order to kickstart the Spanish-American War so he could sell newspapers. It was called "Yellow Journalism."

And yet -- these leftoid rags essentially do the same thing every goddamned day.

They just make up the news out of thin air -- not to sell papers but to accelerate the Revolution.

And no one calls them on it.

Red Journalism?

26 ronpaulblimpie  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:47:35am

re: #18 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

say it louder!

DENVER! DENVER! DENVER! DENVER! DENVER! DENVER! DENVER! DENVER! DENVER! DENVER!

Leave the chanting for the marxist idiots on the left, please. That is their gig.

27 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:48:21am
28 Sharmuta  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:48:25am

In a sense, these media people better pray to whatever deity they believe in that Hillary doesn't pull something off, because they will find out the hard way what a scorched earth policy really means.

29 gman  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:48:45am

The MSM has been saying it's all over from the very beginning.
If Obama wins the primary, all we will hear about until November is how Obama has already won the election in (complete with fake poll numbers etc.). This is sickening.

30 loppyd  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:48:47am

re: #14 jcm

Denver! Denver! Denver! Denver! Denver! Denver! Denver! Denver!

And why the hell not, I ask you.

Ted Kennedy did it. But he supports Obama so now it's bad for the party to follow in his footsteps. Whatevah.

The Dems are in such disarray it's like the gift that keeps on giving.

31 Random_Lizard  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:48:49am

Keep at it Hilary, get Obama out of there :-)

32 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:49:07am
33 Hengineer  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:49:14am

Hilarious, the MSM is already trying to force her hand.

She HAS turned Republican

34 redc1c4  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:49:17am

run Hillary, run!

35 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:49:19am

She'll "suspend" the campaign and wait around for Barry O to implode, which is quite plausible.

36 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:49:29am

AP and Matt Drudge both shill for Obama the messiah.

37 zmdavid  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:49:43am

I would not put it past the Hillary campaign or the AP to lie about this. I will wait and see.

38 VegasRick  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:49:55am

re: #36 Honorary Yooper

AP and Matt Drudge both shill for Obama the messiah.

Drudge makes me sick.

39 littleoldlady  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:49:56am

So glad that the Associated Press is running this election for us.

/not.

40 Johnny 100 Pesos  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:50:01am

I am more of an admirer of Hillary now then I ever was in the past.

I always found her likable, although I disagreed with her politics.

But yeesh, what a tough lady she's turning out to be!

41 redc1c4  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:50:02am

re: #27 buzzsawmonkey

Or a leg up.

maybe a reach around?

42 Prikolno  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:50:11am

Looks like AP has prepared a lot of similarly canned news when it comes to Obama's opponents upfront. You know, just in case, that way they might have the "beaking news" before anybody else does.

43 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:50:12am

Headline should be - "AP CAUGHT TRYING TO SANDBAG SEN. CLINTON." That is all.

-S-

44 irish rose  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:50:16am

Don't take this laying down, Hillary!
Stand up to the good-old-boys club, and show them who's boss!

Denver 2008!

45 Ojoe  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:50:21am

re: #31 Random_Lizard

I could not agree more.

Obama is a nightmare

46 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:50:25am

Now would be a perfect time to drop that "whitey" tape on Obama. Just saying.

47 irish rose  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:50:56am

re: #28 Sharmuta

In a sense, these media people better pray to whatever deity they believe in that Hillary doesn't pull something off, because they will find out the hard way what a scorched earth policy really means.


What you said :).

48 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:51:07am
49 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:51:08am

re: #29 gman

The MSM has been saying it's all over from the very beginning.
If Obama wins the primary, all we will hear about until November is how Obama has already won the election in (complete with fake poll numbers etc.). This is sickening.

It'll be that much more delicious when he loses in November.

50 loppyd  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:51:10am

re: #35 JammieWearingFool

She'll "suspend" the campaign and wait around for Barry O to implode, which is quite plausible.

If so an you imagine if they 'take it away from the black guy' at the convention?

Division can't even describe it.

51 VegasRick  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:51:16am

re: #47 irish rose

What you said :).

Twice!

52 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:51:32am
53 loppyd  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:52:26am

re: #41 redc1c4

maybe a reach around?

Or a stop short?

54 Sharmuta  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:52:26am

re: #46 Nevergiveup

Actually, now would be a perfect time to lobby any democrat politicians representing you to change their super delegate vote to Hill.

55 Ojoe  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:52:32am

re: #50 loppyd

We are watching the train wreck of the Democratic Party, from which it will take them decades to recover, IMHO

56 zombie  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:52:37am

In any event, I still want Obama to win the nomination. He's less electable than her.

My dream scenario would be:

Hillary in fact DOES take it all the way to the convention, and fights like hell, and for a brief moment it looks like she'll steal it away from Obama, giving all her supporters one final dizzying last hope, and sending the Obamaniacs into convulsions of extremism -- only to have Barack snatch it back from her at the last minute.

Only that way will the Hillary voters get well and truly CRUSHED in spirit and soul, with the added benefit of Obama supporters feeling they have permission to go the Full Communism.

End result: McCain landslide.

57 loppyd  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:52:53am

re: #55 Ojoe

We are watching the train wreck of the Democratic Party, from which it will take them decades to recover, IMHO

don't tease me like that....

LOL

58 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:53:01am

re: #35 JammieWearingFool

She'll "suspend" the campaign and wait around for Barry O to implode, which is quite plausible.

What about her campaign debts?

59 ronpaulblimpie  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:53:11am

re: #49 JammieWearingFool

It'll be that much more delicious when he loses in November.

Will it be delicious when liberals cry "McCain rigged the election" and post "We're sorry world, we tried" youtube videos? It is like a broken record with these guys!

60 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:53:22am

re: #36 Honorary Yooper

AP and Matt Drudge both shill for Obama the messiah.

DRUDGE is pro-Obama?! This I did not know. (Don't follow Drudge.) What the hell happened to him?

61 redc1c4  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:53:41am

re: #48 taxfreekiller

Sounds a lot like tfk's , "jump school", jump master Sgt. Williams would start to smile as I got closer tot he door, he would grab me and say
"I know you will not jump on your own, so, here's all the help you need,
and into the air tfk would fly," he would shout, you IPO's should not be here they forced us to take you, so here's to a hard landing..."

got the jumps in the push out the door way, how's it feel Hiliie...?

good old Ft. Benning...... %-)

/straight leg

62 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:53:51am
63 leboaz  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:53:52am

I have no idea what her plans are, but I sure hope she's around in Denver. Wouldn't want to miss that.

64 MES41067  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:53:59am

Yep I never in a million years thought I could say go Hillary go but for now its go Hillary go and when Obama is done then its go away Hillary go away.

65 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:54:03am

re: #52 buzzsawmonkey

Obama seems to have a big appeal for gays, based on the wholly unscientific observation of the support he has garnered in my neighborhood.

I wonder why.

But from what I gather The NOI and BLT are not so crazy about gay people?

66 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:54:20am

re: #52 buzzsawmonkey

Obama seems to have a big appeal for gays, based on the wholly unscientific observation of the support he has garnered in my neighborhood.

I wonder why.

Bill's DA/DT policy?

67 zombie  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:54:24am

re: #29 gman

The MSM has been saying it's all over from the very beginning.
If Obama wins the primary, all we will hear about until November is how Obama has already won the election in (complete with fake poll numbers etc.). This is sickening.

You mean there will be an election? I thought he was emperor already.

Color me surprised.

68 irish rose  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:54:41am

re: #56 zombie

In any event, I still want Obama to win the nomination. He's less electable than her.

My dream scenario would be:

Hillary in fact DOES take it all the way to the convention, and fights like hell, and for a brief moment it looks like she'll steal it away from Obama, giving all her supporters one final dizzying last hope, and sending the Obamaniacs into convulsions of extremism -- only to have Barack snatch it back from her at the last minute.

Only that way will the Hillary voters get well and truly CRUSHED in spirit and soul, with the added benefit of Obama supporters feeling they have permission to go the Full Communism.

End result: McCain landslide.

Here's hoping that your "dream scenario" becomes reality.

69 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:54:46am

re: #59 ronpaulblimpie

Will it be delicious when liberals cry "McCain rigged the election" and post "We're sorry world, we tried" youtube videos? It is like a broken record with these guys!

It will be delicious every time that they complain that the election was stolen by a Republican. It will mean they lost. Even Democrats won't complain if they win (of course unless they do).

70 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:54:48am

re: #58 MandyManners

What about her campaign debts?

"Mandy" -

Ron Burkle could write a check for it as "Petty Cash."

-S-

71 pbird  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:54:54am

re: #40 Johnny 100 Pesos

I am more of an admirer of Hillary now then I ever was in the past.

I always found her likable, although I disagreed with her politics.

But yeesh, what a tough lady she's turning out to be!

My G-d! Of course she's tough. Thats all she is. Tough. And mean.

72 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:54:57am

re: #54 Sharmuta

Actually, now would be a perfect time to lobby any democrat politicians representing you to change their super delegate vote to Hill.

Being a registered Republican, they tend to hang up on me.

73 Hengineer  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:55:27am

re: #67 zombie

You mean there will be an election? I thought he was emperor already.

Color me surprised.

Not emperor but Savior and Messiah, much more religious fervor than political.

74 Johnny 100 Pesos  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:55:32am

My problem is that I'm still not sold on McCain.

The three choices seem to be left of centre, lefter of centre and leftiest of centre.

Not that it matters, I'm Canadian, couldn't vote anyways.

So, how do you think a Harper/Dion match-up would go?

75 Sharmuta  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:55:32am

re: #72 Nevergiveup

That's why you take a page from their book and lie through your teeth.

76 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:55:48am

re: #14 jcm

Denver! Denver! Denver! Denver! Denver! Denver! Denver! Denver!

August can be downright hot in Denver. This year for sure.

77 VegasRick  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:55:49am

re: #52 buzzsawmonkey

Obama seems to have a big appeal for gays, based on the wholly unscientific observation of the support he has garnered in my neighborhood.

I wonder why.

The Messiah controls all race, religion and sexual orientation.
/puke

78 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:55:49am
79 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:56:38am

Let the AP eat its waffle.

80 zmdavid  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:56:42am

This reminds me of coaching change and retirement rumors in sports journalism.

81 redheadredstate  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:56:59am

Does anyone else think that this constitutes interference in an election? Where does anyone in the MSM get off telling Hillary to get out? She has a very legitimate reason to stay in. I never thought I'd say this but Harold Ikkes (don't know how to spell his name) is right, the Michigan/Florida vote situation is intolerable and grounds for her to stay in until the Dem convention. I also never thought I'd ever have to vote for John (RHINO) McCain but that is a discussion for another day. What's next pigs flying? Oh and once again, I cannot say this enough.....Rush you magnificent bastard!

OPERATION CHAOS RULES!

82 Sharmuta  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:57:03am
Terry McAuliffe says “absolutely not:”

And if you can't trust Terry McAuliffe, who can you trust?

/

83 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:57:26am

re: #80 zmdavid

This reminds me of coaching change and retirement rumors in sports journalism.

Have the Lakers traded Kobe yet?

84 Hengineer  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:57:33am

re: #78 buzzsawmonkey

Exactly. I do not understand what his appeal to the gay constituency is--other than that he is not a Republican, and the gay community is second only to the black community in its blind loyalty to the Democrats.

Mainly because he appeals to the college "yuppie" style liberals, the young ones whose hearts are too big for reality.

85 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:57:33am

re: #58 MandyManners

She has RIP Van Winkle Paw in her closet...

86 arier_tzvi  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:57:39am

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Clinton not ready to concede race, her campaign chair says:
Dont count her out yet. GO AVS GO.

87 Sharmuta  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:57:58am

re: #58 MandyManners

What about her campaign debts?

She'll just write another book.

88 DesertSage  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:58:03am

Big Clinton is ripping us off!

89 zombie  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:58:03am

re: #65 Nevergiveup

But from what I gather The NOI and BLT are not so crazy about gay people?

No, but the Tuna Melt thinks they're just fabulous.

90 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:58:06am

re: #78 buzzsawmonkey

I do not understand what his appeal to the gay constituency is

Hope/change/diversity/[yawn]

91 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:58:08am

The AP is in Obama's pocket. If the news isn't what they want it to be, they make new news.

92 Johnny 100 Pesos  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:58:31am

re: #78 buzzsawmonkey

I can understand the gay communities' commitment to the dem's far better than the black communities.

93 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:58:35am
94 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:58:51am

re: #84 Hengineer

Mainly because he appeals to the college "yuppie" style liberals, the young ones whose hearts are too big for reality.

And considering the shit they are shoveled in what passes for class these days.

95 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:58:59am

re: #93 buzzsawmonkey

"A Heart Too Big for Reality" is a great title for something.

Rotating title

96 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:59:28am

Hey, come on people, Schroedinger's Campaign? Huh? Yer killin' me up here!

97 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:59:33am
98 CIA Reject  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 8:59:37am

Hillary is a power addict plain and simple. Being First Lady was the "gateway drug" that led to her Senate habit. Now that she's had a wiff of the Presidency the Senate is just not going to do it for her anymore- she needs a bigger kick. She can no more abandon the campaign for the Presidency than a heroin addict can abandon the needle.

She.....will.....not.......quit ...... EVER!

99 debutaunt  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:00:02am

re: #25 zombie

People still REVILE the Hearst newspapers for "creating the news" when he hyped the Sinking of the Maine in Havana Harbor in order to kickstart the Spanish-American War so he could sell newspapers. It was called "Yellow Journalism."

And yet -- these leftoid rags essentially do the same thing every goddamned day.

They just make up the news out of thin air -- not to sell papers but to accelerate the Revolution.

And no one calls them on it.

Excellent!
Red Journalism?

100 alegrias  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:00:03am

re: #33 Hengineer

Hilarious, the MSM is already trying to force her hand.

She HAS turned Republican

* * *
Hillary's father was Republican~it's time her youthful rebellion was over, now that she's seen liberalism's true colors up close & cruel.

101 arier_tzvi  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:00:32am

re: #95 Creeping Eruption

We need a little reality check not Idealism. Reason and logic is needed to survive. Idealism will just get the world into trouble.

102 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:00:34am
103 Johnny 100 Pesos  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:00:45am

re: #96 Occasional Reader

Oh, that is so on the money!

104 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:00:47am

re: #60 Occasional Reader

DRUDGE is pro-Obama?! This I did not know. (Don't follow Drudge.) What the hell happened to him?

He sure as hell puts out that impression. To date, Drudge has had zero stories about the Rezko trial, zero stories about Obama's insidious connections. He's late with anything to do with the pators (CBS beats him to it even). And when he does have something about Obama's pastors, it's buried. Hillary always gets the most unflattering pics on the Drudge Report. Obama gets very flattering pics.

So yes, I'd say it looks like Matt Drudge supports Barack Hussein Obama.

105 zombie  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:00:49am

re: #96 Occasional Reader

Hey, come on people, Schroedinger's Campaign? Huh? Yer killin' me up here!

I dig it!

It lacks a beat, and I can't tell if I can dance to it or not.

106 imtoast  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:00:59am

McAuliffe is a smarmy liar. I think he is saying this because of the voting today. He doesn't want Hillary to lose any votes. I truly cannot stomach Terry, ick!

107 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:01:00am

re: #97 buzzsawmonkey

Second!

Hmm, 'cept... their hearts tend to not really be that big. Lots of hatred in the hearts of "open-minded" liberals.

108 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:01:06am
109 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:01:08am

re: #98 CIA Reject

Hillary is a power addict plain and simple. Being First Lady was the "gateway drug" that led to her Senate habit. Now that she's had a wiff of the Presidency the Senate is just not going to do it for her anymore- she needs a bigger kick. She can no more abandon the campaign for the Presidency than a heroin addict can abandon the needle.

She.....will.....not.......quit ...... EVER!

The only thing Obama could promise her that would interest her at all is the Supreme Court. G-D help is all!

110 David Simon  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:01:24am

re: #52 buzzsawmonkey

Obama seems to have a big appeal for gays, based on the wholly unscientific observation of the support he has garnered in my neighborhood.

I wonder why.

I remember watching an Obama speech a couple of months ago, and there were two young guys in back of him behaving like trained monkeys. Every time he expounded on one of his socialist "plans" they applauded wildly; every time he bashed Republicans they guffawed.

Then, he announced that he doesn't support gay marriage. The looks on their faces was priceless.

111 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:01:27am

From 8am this morning, previous thread...

Put in a call to Senator Clinton already. Trying to convince her to stay and fight. Waiting on the return call.

You guys can thank me in cash.

112 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:01:29am

re: #56 zombie


End result: McCain landslide.

But if he doesn't have coattails, he'll just be a four year lame duck and probably grab his ankles every time the Dems want something --- gun control, global warming legislation, Fairness Doctrine, amnesty, ad nauseum.

113 arier_tzvi  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:01:30am

re: #108 buzzsawmonkey

point me to the nearest atm :)

114 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:01:34am

re: #102 taxfreekiller

Your opinion, of course...

115 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:01:40am

re: #103 Johnny 100 Pesos

Oh, that is so on the money!

There ya go! Waitress, bring that guy a drink on the house!

116 loppyd  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:02:04am

re: #106 imtoast

McAuliffe is a smarmy liar. I think he is saying this because of the voting today. He doesn't want Hillary to lose any votes. I truly cannot stomach Terry, ick!

I read a headline on Drudge that she may win by 25 points in SD.

Yet Obama is going to claim the nomination tonight.

It's bizzaro world on the left these days.

117 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:02:31am
118 loppyd  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:02:36am

A little lunch and Rush now....

BBL

119 ironbill  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:02:43am

you go girl!

BTW, what happened to the Michele Obama "get whitey" video?

120 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:02:50am

Has to go to work. See y'all after while.

121 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:03:12am

re: #98 CIA Reject

Hillary is a power addict plain and simple. Being First Lady was the "gateway drug" that led to her Senate habit. Now that she's had a wiff of the Presidency the Senate is just not going to do it for her anymore- she needs a bigger kick. She can no more abandon the campaign for the Presidency than a heroin addict can abandon the needle.

She.....will.....not.......quit ...... EVER!

In all fairness, I think that applies to any politician.

122 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:03:43am
123 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:04:19am

re: #58 MandyManners

What about her campaign debts?

Are you kidding? She's a Clinton. A few well-scheduled speaking arrangements should wipe that debt out in no time.

124 pat  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:04:25am

AP motto: We write it as we see it. Not as it is.

125 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:04:36am

re: #52 buzzsawmonkey

Obama seems to have a big appeal for gays, based on the wholly unscientific observation of the support he has garnered in my neighborhood.

I wonder why.

Obama's metro-sexual-appeal.

126 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:04:37am

re: #110 David Simon

The looks on their faces was priceless.

Best example I ever saw of that phenomenon: I once heard writer Mario Vargas Llosa speak, here in DC. These two sitting near me had the classic LLL look about them; I could tell they were all set to hear a "Latin American intellectual" (who will, naturally, be leftist) expound on the evils of America and capitalism. In fact, in the last decade and a half or so, MVL has become quite conservative; his key theme is freedom. He went on to talk about how leftists tended to basically love authoritarianism. The looks on the two LLL's faces was, as you put it, priceless.

127 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:05:03am

re: #117 buzzsawmonkey

I like the phrase--and there's no reason it needs to apply to liberals.

Okay, then, we'll apply it to Labrador puppies!

128 zmdavid  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:05:50am

re: #104 Honorary Yooper

It could be Drudge just hates Hillary and is propping up Obama to be rid of her.

He also linked to the Politico story that documents his pro-Obama slant and anti-Hillary and anti-McCain slant. I wonder what he thinks of the story.

I hope his pro-Obamaness ends at some point.

129 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:05:51am
130 Kenneth  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:06:38am

re: #65 Nevergiveup

But from what I gather The NOI and BLT are not so crazy about gay people?

Yes, well the PLO were notoriously anti-homosexual, but that didn't stop them from having a sodomite for a leader. As for Louis Farrakhan, what's with the fussy little bow ties and the phalanx of beefy young men he always travels around with?

131 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:06:40am

re: #116 loppyd

I read a headline on Drudge that she may win by 25 points in SD.

Yet Obama is going to claim the nomination tonight.

It's bizzaro world on the left these days.

One option; either Hillary or Obama can establish her/his "On to November" HQ in Avignon.

132 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:07:03am

re: #101 arier_tzvi

We need a little reality check not Idealism. Reason and logic is needed to survive. Idealism will just get the world into trouble.

You wont get any argument from me on that point except to say we need a big reality check not idealism. I have always told my family and friends who support Obama that same thing. I would rather have a Clinton who knows where the bodies are buried (and can add a few more) than Obama, the wet behind the ears idealist who has spent his entire Senate career campaigning.

133 cookielady  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:07:16am

re: #33 Hengineer

Hilarious, the MSM is already trying to force her hand.

She HAS turned Republican

Only in the McCain sense of the word.

134 WriterMom  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:07:54am

re: #89 zombie

LOL. The Reuben, we're not so sure about....

135 zombie  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:07:59am

re: #131 Occasional Reader

One option; either Hillary or Obama can establish her/his "On to November" HQ in Avignon.

The Anti-American Anti-Nominee?

136 rusty_armor  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:08:12am

Mmm. I thought that the Democrats were really involved in making sure every vote was counted ... unless they are military ones, anyway.

Hope the old girl fights all the way to Denver ...

137 WriterMom  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:08:19am

re: #130 Kenneth

Ooooh Coyote Redux?

138 alegrias  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:08:44am

re: #106 imtoast

McAuliffe is a smarmy liar. I think he is saying this because of the voting today. He doesn't want Hillary to lose any votes. I truly cannot stomach Terry, ick!

* * *
McAuliffe is also SMART enough to have come to FOX news to plead Hillary's case directly to voters/viewers, without swooning distortions by leftist tv people.

You have to credit McAuliffe & his candidate Hillary for having more guts & brains than Obama or John Edwards or other dems too cowardly to appear on non-swooning news outlets.

139 ishabibble  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:08:55am

re: #26 ronpaulblimpie

Leave the chanting for the marxist idiots on the left, please. That is their gig.

Oh c'mon now, a little chanting is a good thing, like being high and drunk at the same time.

HOPENCHANGE!
HOPENCHANGE!
HOPENCHANGE!

Or like whirling around until you fall and bang your head...

140 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:09:04am

We won't need the AP to tell us about it if she concedes. We'll be able to tell, because the sun will go dark, the ground will quake, and the horsemen will appear.

Her entire life has been about her own ambitions and self-identity as the star of the show; no way is she going to get this close and then just give up...

/At least, not until she's arranged a plane accident for BHO ;)

141 violingig  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:09:14am

Sounds like the media is up to their old tricks by trying to manipulate the outcome of today's primary elections. They know it's trouble for Obama if Hillary does well today.

142 CIA Reject  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:09:14am

re: #121 Creeping Eruption

In all fairness, I think that applies to any politician.

Except for: Fred Thompson, Mitt Romney, Duncan Hunter, Rudy Guliani, and Ron Paul right? I could probably come up with more but those are just the ones that came to mind immediately.

Thank G*d that not every politician is a malignant narcissist to the degree of HRC.

143 zmdavid  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:09:38am

Story linked on Drudge as "POLITICO: WHO IS MATT DRUDGE?"

Drudge keeps campaigns guessing

144 gman  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:09:52am

re: #59 ronpaulblimpie

Will it be delicious when liberals cry "McCain rigged the election" and post "We're sorry world, we tried" youtube videos? It is like a broken record with these guys!

I can just hear the word "Diebold" ringing in my ears the next few years.

145 EC Marm  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:10:06am

It wouldn't surprise me if Matt Drudge had issues with the IRS shortly after the Monica Lewinsky story first broke. That could make someone hate the Clintons all the way into the grave. I too have noticed the bias.

146 jcm  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:10:09am

re: #74 Johnny 100 Pesos

My problem is that I'm still not sold on McCain.

The three choices seem to be left of centre, lefter of centre and leftiest of centre.

Not that it matters, I'm Canadian, couldn't vote anyways.

So, how do you think a Harper/Dion match-up would go?

I'm not big on McCain either.

2000 came down to 529 votes. In WA the (D) gov. won on 129 votes 3rd recount. In WA five ACORN people are IN JAIL for vote fraud. There are at least 7 jurisdictions investigating ACORN for fraud.

B. Hussein has ACORN in his pocket. Not only to defeat BHO or Hillary do we need every damn vote. We need more than enough to overcome the fraud.

Not voting, is voting.
For BHO.

147 WriterMom  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:10:14am

re: #141 violingig

Absolutely.

148 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:10:17am

re: #136 rusty_armor

Mmm. I thought that the Democrats were really involved in making sure every vote was counted ... unless they are military ones, anyway.

I sent the DNC an e-mail yesterday asking the same thing re: Michigan and Florida

149 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:10:30am
150 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:10:49am
151 WriterMom  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:10:58am

re: #145 EC Marm

Who doesn't still have issues after that story? I'm still in therapy.

/not

152 The Other Les  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:11:12am

Democrats: The party of the reality challenged.

153 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:11:31am
154 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:11:47am

re: #149 buzzsawmonkey

Diebold and de beautiful?

I thought it was the name of that Bruce Willis movie.

155 Kenneth  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:11:58am

re: #137 WriterMom

wha? I no unnershtan?

156 republic  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:12:00am

Deception

Very real, very purposeful deception

157 Iron Fist  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:12:01am

Recreate '68
Denver '08

Run Hillary, run!

158 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:12:25am
159 canadianconservative  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:12:27am

That picture of Obama on Drudge right now, is less than flattering....

I think Drudge just wanted to do his part in finishing off HRC, and will now turn on Hussein.

160 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:12:53am

re: #150 taxfreekiller

[Link: www.timberlinelodge.com...]

wow, all the way to 37 F today,
got that global warming going on

Makes me want to watch The Shining again.

161 NoSubmission  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:13:10am

Speaking of AP...

Are they hiring taliban terrorists as photographes in Kabul?
Here and here.

162 rightside  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:13:13am

Karl, you magnificent Bastard!

Run, Hillary, run!

163 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:13:13am

re: #142 CIA Reject

Except for: Fred Thompson, Mitt Romney, Duncan Hunter, Rudy Guliani, and Ron Paul right? I could probably come up with more but those are just the ones that came to mind immediately.

Thank G*d that not every politician is a malignant narcissist to the degree of HRC.

I respectfully disagree. I think anyone who aspires to national public office is most likely a narcissist out for their own benefit (among other things perhaps). I have perfect faith that there are no true public servants. Those that are, do not become politicians.

164 Neo Con since 9-11  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:13:14am

A little early for an OT but I need some advice.
On a recent trip to a city about 60 miles away, an a**hole stole $500 from me. Is it worth taking time off work and spending gas money to go back and file a police report, looking at a line up, and possibly testifying at trial when there's little chance this f*cker even has the cash anymore?

165 looking closely  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:13:15am

McCain is right of center (though maybe barely so).

Am I the only one here who is having a weird display of this page (using Firefox)?

166 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:13:23am

re: #155 Kenneth

wha? I no unnershtan?

I think she means hyena (or whatever animal it was that Arafat allegedly yelped like during his, ah, one-on-one staff meetings).

167 Johnny 100 Pesos  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:13:25am

re: #101 arier_tzvi

We need a little reality check not Idealism. Reason and logic is needed to survive. Idealism will just get the world into trouble.

I agree.

Not saying that I don't have ideals, just saying that they shouldn't be imposed from above.

A good goverment should be more administrative than idealistic.

168 Kalak  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:13:30am

I used to think Hillary was the worst.

But then I realized that America WILL NOT SURVIVE an Obama presidency.

169 jcm  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:13:31am

re: #150 taxfreekiller

[Link: www.timberlinelodge.com...]

wow, all the way to 37 F today,
got that global warming going on

I just had the most entertaining conversation with a Gorebot and Paulbot about GW.

What a hoot.
The Gorebot flat out said the facts don't matter we need to act.
The Paulbot was all pissy about the war for oil.

170 alegrias  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:13:36am

re: #152 The Other Les

Democrats: The party of the reality challenged.

* * *
Party of the New Math.

Who can keep up with their strange calculus for apparatchiks?

171 WriterMom  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:13:43am

re: #155 Kenneth

Wasn't Arafish's nickname the Coyote?

172 Sharmuta  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:14:22am
In a formal statement, the campaign made clear the limits of how far she would go in Tuesday night's speech. "Senator Clinton will not concede the nomination," the statement said.

They are going to have to pry her off the stage with a crow bar.

173 FrogMarch  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:14:22am

the supers are surging....

the dem party is purging....

174 just another four-letter word  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:14:30am

re: #56 zombie

In any event, I still want Obama to win the nomination. He's less electable than her.

My dream scenario would be:

Hillary in fact DOES take it all the way to the convention, and fights like hell, and for a brief moment it looks like she'll steal it away from Obama, giving all her supporters one final dizzying last hope, and sending the Obamaniacs into convulsions of extremism -- only to have Barack snatch it back from her at the last minute.

Only that way will the Hillary voters get well and truly CRUSHED in spirit and soul, with the added benefit of Obama supporters feeling they have permission to go the Full Communism.

End result: McCain landslide.

From your mouth to God's ear!

This is the way I see it as well. Popcorn, anyone?

JAFLW

175 WriterMom  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:14:37am

re: #166 Occasional Reader

Ah yes...it was The Hyena. LOL.

176 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:14:53am

re: #164 Neo Con since 9-11

A little early for an OT but I need some advice.
On a recent trip to a city about 60 miles away, an a**hole stole $500 from me. Is it worth taking time off work and spending gas money to go back and file a police report, looking at a line up, and possibly testifying at trial when there's little chance this f*cker even has the cash anymore?

Do you want him to rob someone else? Civic duty isn't just about what's convenient.

177 redstateredneck  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:15:02am

re: #164 Neo Con since 9-11

A little early for an OT but I need some advice.
On a recent trip to a city about 60 miles away, an a**hole stole $500 from me. Is it worth taking time off work and spending gas money to go back and file a police report, looking at a line up, and possibly testifying at trial when there's little chance this f*cker even has the cash anymore?


Does $500 constitute a felony charge or is it a misdemeanor?

178 WriterMom  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:15:04am

re: #164 Neo Con since 9-11

Yes.

179 jcm  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:15:13am

re: #171 WriterMom

Wasn't Arafish's nickname the Coyote?

I thought he was the tiger?

180 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:15:14am
181 David Simon  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:15:30am

Am I the only idiot who has rented An Inconvenient Truth? A bigger waste of 90 minutes I cannot imagine.

182 Ilxixiixs  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:15:58am

They want her out sooooo bad that they make up stories about her! Must be tough to be a Dem this year and even tougher to be a Clinton.

183 looking closely  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:16:05am

re: #168 Kalak

I used to think Hillary was the worst.

But then I realized that America WILL NOT SURVIVE an Obama presidency.

If we survived Carter, we could survive Obama.

We'll just have a worse economy, a weaker military, and emboldened enemies (foreign and domestics).

184 Annar  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:16:07am

Obama will preempt the big New York speech by announcing the start of the general election campaign and choosing Michelle as his running mate. Dumbfounded Hillary will be babbling something about running as Bob Barr's VP on the Libertarian ticket and the dazed Bill will be mumbling something like -Where have all the interns gone.

185 WriterMom  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:16:17am

re: #179 jcm

Arafat was roaring like a tiger, and his lover yelping like a hyena."

WHATEVAH.

186 jcm  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:16:19am

re: #181 David Simon

Am I the only idiot who has rented An Inconvenient Truth? A bigger waste of 90 minutes I cannot imagine.

I watched, the better to fisk it.

187 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:16:19am

re: #164 Neo Con since 9-11

On a recent trip to a city about 60 miles away, an a**hole stole $500 from me.

"Stole" how? As in, robbed you (with violence or threat of violence)?

188 cookielady  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:16:26am

re: #127 Occasional Reader

Okay, then, we'll apply it to Labrador puppies!

So apropos! World's most loving, loyal, goofy dogs.

189 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:16:28am

re: #181 David Simon

Am I the only idiot who has rented An Inconvenient Truth? A bigger waste of 90 minutes I cannot imagine.

Got it on netflicks and sent it back unopened.

191 Kalak  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:16:33am

re: #43 Dr. Shalit

Headline should be - "AP CAUGHT TRYING TO SANDBAG SEN. CLINTON." That is all.

-S-

You know, I might disagree with her politics, but she IS still a United States Senator.

Why does the MSM drop her title whenever speaking of her, but gives that title to every other Dem? Have you noticed that? It's never, ever Senator Clinton.

192 irish rose  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:16:40am

re: #74 Johnny 100 Pesos


If you repeat the mantras that McCain is "left of center" or a "liberal Dem" often enough, they will be believed.

McCain is a MODERATE, and the word "moderate" seems to be a dirty word in the minds of many, because it implies compromise (God forbid that politicans in Washington should actually start listening to each other, respecting each others' opinion and trying to work together to get things done).

In the minds of many on the far right, any conservative (voter OR politician) who doesn't cater to the far right agenda is automatically slapped with the label of liberal. It's absolutely ridiculous, but I see it happening every day. I've been a moderate Republican for years now (fiscal conservative/social moderate), and I can't tell you how many times I've been called a liberal for suggesting that those on the far-right do not define the Republican party and we should elect more politicians who are capable of bipartisan cooperation. When a case is made for bipartisan cooperation, the arguement presents like this almost every single time: "why do conservatives always have to be the ones to compromise?" Also ridiculous, but you can't tell that to disenfranchised, far right leaning conservative Republicans without taking it on the cuff.

Yes, McCain has made some choices that have displeased the right... particularly with regard to immigration. But it would really (really) be helpful if more conservatives would take a look at McCains actual voting record instead of automatically screaming "RINO" whenever his name is mentioned and neglecting their homework.

My two cents.

193 canadianconservative  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:17:01am

re: #168 Kalak

I used to think Hillary was the worst.

But then I realized that America WILL NOT SURVIVE an Obama presidency.


Agree. The USA survived Jimmy the Dhimmi only because the times were nowhere near as tough as they are now... It can also be argued that Jimmy the Dhimmi created much of today's mess....

BHO would send the message to terrorists and their sponsors that itsopen season on the USA, and if they didn't do the job, the Kos kidz he would have as advisors would kill it from within!

194 jcm  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:17:09am

re: #185 WriterMom

WHATEVAH.

ROFLMAO!

195 WriterMom  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:17:15am

re: #181 David Simon

I would rather go to a Haiku circle with Code Pink.

196 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:17:17am

re: #185 WriterMom

WHATEVAH.

Roadrunner... something like that...

197 Neo Con since 9-11  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:17:24am

re: #177 redstateredneck

I believe $500 is a felony

198 republic  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:17:36am

Is Ralph Nader running for sure?

199 rusty_armor  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:17:38am

re: #164 Neo Con since 9-11

A little early for an OT but I need some advice.
On a recent trip to a city about 60 miles away, an a**hole stole $500 from me. Is it worth taking time off work and spending gas money to go back and file a police report, looking at a line up, and possibly testifying at trial when there's little chance this f*cker even has the cash anymore?

Depends

If the mayor and council are Democrats, no. Muggers are too closely related to them.

200 WriterMom  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:17:49am

re: #196 Occasional Reader

BEEP BEEP!

201 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:18:12am

re: #190 The Other Les

Here is a photo gallery for those folks who want to recreate the riots of 1968.

And check out photo 28.

It looks like what the AP calls "rocks" thrown during the intifata

202 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:18:26am

re: #159 canadianconservative

That picture of Obama on Drudge right now, is less than flattering....

I think Drudge just wanted to do his part in finishing off HRC, and will now turn on Hussein.

It's got Obama's hands up in the air as if he's some sort of revivalist. Hillary's pic is far less flattering, and more front and center.

I'll see if he just wanted to finish off Hillary to wait for Hussein, but not betting on it. He has gone after McCain this season as well.

203 The Other Les  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:18:30am

re: #170 alegrias

* * *
Party of the New Math.

Who can keep up with their strange calculus for apparatchiks?

The party of the new logic.

"Al Gore was stopped from stealing the election in 2000, therefore the election was stolen."

204 just another four-letter word  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:18:49am

re: #76 Kreuzueber Halbmond

August can be downright hot in Denver. This year for sure.

Late last night, when we were all in bed,
Mrs. O'Leary left the lantern in the shed,
the cow kicked it over, winked her eye and said
"There'll be a hot time
in the old town
tonight!"

Denver, Denver, Denver

JAFLW

/remembering and filking old camp songs...

205 Kalak  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:18:57am

re: #183 looking closely

There were not so many people trying to kill us during the Carter years.

And Obama would make sure we were completely disarmed at the individual level. That, coupled with destruction of an economy far more on a reactive internet-based hair trigger than it was in the 70's, and we will not have an America in any form we recognize.

206 Intrepid  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:19:05am

Uh Oh!

Looks like ill-boding rumblings for the dems this year. Lay this one squarely at the feet of DKos.

Heh!

207 Kenneth  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:19:32am

re: #175 WriterMom

Ah yes, the Hyena. Your geopolitical references are both obscure and disgusting as usual. Sweet.

208 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:19:43am

re: #184 Annar

Obama will preempt the big New York speech by announcing the start of the general election campaign and choosing Michelle as his running mate. Dumbfounded Hillary will be babbling something about running as Bob Barr's VP on the Libertarian ticket and the dazed Bill will be mumbling something like -Where have all the interns gone.

He can't choose Michelle, unless he thinks he can win without Illinois. Which, of course, he can't.

209 WriterMom  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:20:01am
210 Neo Con since 9-11  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:20:29am

re: #176 Lizard by the Bay

re: #178 WriterMom

Damn it, I know it's the right thing to do but after gas and time off work I'm going to be out another $100 by the time it's all done.

211 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:20:29am

I know some Hillary supporters who want her to run as an independent if she can't win the Democratic nomination.

There are more than a few Hillary supporters out there who will not vote for Obama.

This race is McCain's to lose.

212 realwest  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:20:43am

Sorry to be so late to this thread, but was engaged in conversation with View from Ireland, ah, Just My View on the prior thread.
Has anyone posted that ABC has said, definitively that Hillary is NOT dropping out or conceding?
And why the hell would she? The superdelegates don't and can't "vote" until the convention - and Obama's momentum has been stopped, COLD, over the last two months. And why the hell would she quit on a day when there are two primaries where she's projected to win the popular vote - although I don't know how many delegates, given the way the DNC has this weird way of allocating delegates (e.g., Hillary won Texas Popular Vote, but, iirc, Obama got most of the delegates from Texas)?
I think the AP and Drudge are SO in the tank for Obama that they flew this false flag to hurt Hillary. Period. I don't think they had any sound FACTS on which to report this the way that they did.

213 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:20:46am
214 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:20:50am

re: #190 The Other Les

Here is a photo gallery for those folks who want to recreate the riots of 1968.

And check out photo 28.

Oh yeah, the nail ball.

215 joncelli  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:20:50am

re: #96 Occasional Reader

We're thinking outside of the box. (Let that one sink in for a second.)

216 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:20:55am
217 WriterMom  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:20:59am

re: #207 Kenneth

You flatter me! Obscure and disgusting yet sweet. HAHAHHA.

218 redstateredneck  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:21:04am

re: #203 The Other Les

The party of the new logic.

"Al Gore was stopped from stealing the election in 2000, therefore the election was stolen."

Has anybody seen that POS on HBO, "Recount"?

219 rusty_armor  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:21:11am

Mmmm.

Maybe a Barr/Clinton ticket could vault the Libertarians into the big league ...

220 Neo Con since 9-11  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:21:32am

re: #187 Occasional Reader

Snatched out of my hands as I left the ATM and ran.

221 republic  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:21:34am

re: #208 Honorary Yooper

He can't choose Michelle, unless he thinks he can win without Illinois. Which, of course, he can't.


Obama would win Illionois even if he was charged and convicted of 1st degree murder, no matter who his running mate would be.

222 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:21:40am

re: #183 looking closely

If we survived Carter, we could survive Obama.

Did we survive Carter? 9/11, War on Terror, nuclear Iran, Syria/Lebanon/Hizballah, it all traces back to Jimmah, and the first capitulation to Islamism. Not to mention his gutting of the CIA, replacing an intelligence agency with a Dem-packed political hatchet agency. Nearly every bit of shit that we're up to our necks in can be traced back to that man's failed four years. And he wasn't half as smart, adored, or dangerous as the Obamessiah.

223 JustMyView  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:22:11am

re: #52 buzzsawmonkey

Obama seems to have a big appeal for gays, based on the wholly unscientific observation of the support he has garnered in my neighborhood.

I wonder why.

Actually, one of the largest gay rights organizations, Human Rights Campaign, endorsed Hillary.

224 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:22:19am

I think the Dem convention is going to end up looking like the restaurant scene in Pulp Fiction.

225 WriterMom  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:22:19am

re: #210 Neo Con since 9-11

Maybe your boss will be sympathetic if you explain what happened...if you do this-you're fighting back-not the victim that the perpetrator expected. And, maybe it won't happen to someone else in the future.

226 just another four-letter word  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:22:44am

re: #91 Lizard by the Bay

The AP is in Obama's pocket. If the news isn't what they want it to be, they make new news.

Or they write it the way it should be...

JAFLW

227 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:22:54am

re: #215 joncelli

We're thinking outside of the box. (Let that one sink in for a second.)

Schroedinger's Cat Box: Simultaneously fresh-scented, and filled with poop.

228 rusty_armor  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:23:03am

re: #224 Pawn of the Oppressor

I think the Dem convention is going to end up looking like the restaurant scene in Pulp Fiction.

"Be cool, Hunnybunny!"

229 alegrias  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:23:09am

re: #181 David Simon

Am I the only idiot who has rented An Inconvenient Truth? A bigger waste of 90 minutes I cannot imagine.

* * *
Life is too short, my friend.

During the 1990s, some were forced to watch Al Gore as Vice President in "Re-Inventing Government" or REGO, as it was called.

Like Fidel Castro droning on and on and on.

230 David Simon  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:23:20am

re: #186 jcm

I watched, the better to fisk it.

My favorite part was the bit about the sun's heat rays bouncing off the earth, but they can't escape because there's an impenetrable layer in the earth's atmosphere. Obvious question (to anyone who isn't a brainwashed moonbat): If it's impenetrable, how did the rays penetrate to get to the earth's surface in the first place?

231 irish rose  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:23:24am

re: #222 Lizard by the Bay

Did we survive Carter? 9/11, War on Terror, nuclear Iran, Syria/Lebanon/Hizballah, it all traces back to Jimmah, and the first capitulation to Islamism. Not to mention his gutting of the CIA, replacing an intelligence agency with a Dem-packed political hatchet agency. Nearly every bit of shit that we're up to our necks in can be traced back to that man's failed four years. And he wasn't half as smart, adored, or dangerous as the Obamessiah.

Exactly.

232 WriterMom  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:23:36am

re: #220 Neo Con since 9-11

That's just awful. But really-you are lucky nothing happened to you. My brother was mugged in Brooklyn for his cell phone and less than $100. He was lucky he didn't get killed. The NYPD put the f*ucker who attacked him away for a long time.

233 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:23:49am

re: #220 Neo Con since 9-11

Snatched out of my hands as I left the ATM and ran.

I'd advocated taking the time and effort to help put the punk away. (Or at least add something to his rap sheet so he'll go away the next time.)

234 David Simon  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:23:52am

re: #189 Creeping Eruption

Got it on netflicks and sent it back unopened.

You're a lot smarter than me.

235 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:24:07am

re: #233 Occasional Reader

I'd advocated = I'd advocate

236 The Other Les  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:24:36am

re: #218 redstateredneck

Has anybody seen that POS on HBO, "Recount"?

No. And I don't plan to.

237 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:24:43am

re: #225 WriterMom

Maybe your boss will be sympathetic if you explain what happened...if you do this-you're fighting back-not the victim that the perpetrator expected. And, maybe it won't happen to someone else in the future.

I think you should. I filed a police report after some scumbag hotel employee ripped off my cell phone at my wedding. I didnt realize it until I got back from my honeymoon. I filed anyway.

238 Neo Con since 9-11  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:25:06am

re: #225 WriterMom

{Grumble grumble} F*** it you've convinced me to do the responsible thing for once.

239 David Simon  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:25:08am

re: #195 WriterMom

I would rather go to a Haiku circle with Code Pink.

lol, you get an upding for that one.

240 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:25:13am

re: #228 rusty_armor

"Be cool, Hunnybunny!"

In this case it would be " Be cool sweetie"

241 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:25:13am
242 redstateredneck  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:26:10am

re: #236 The Other Les

No. And I don't plan to.

Good for you. It sucks majorly.

243 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:26:13am

re: #224 Pawn of the Oppressor

I think the Dem convention is going to end up looking like the restaurant scene in Pulp Fiction.

"How can I tell which superdelegate vote is yours?"

"It's the one that says 'Bad-Ass Motherf****r' on it."

244 realwest  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:26:36am

re: #173 FrogMarch
Yeah, but as I said in my #212, the superdelegates don't vote until the convention. Barry keeps screwing up and the super's could easily surge back to Clinton.

245 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:27:06am
246 alegrias  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:27:30am

re: #203 The Other Les

The party of the new logic.

"Al Gore was stopped from stealing the election in 2000, therefore the election was stolen."

* * *

Snips of "Recount" that bombing new movie, shows Hollywood made up Laura Dern to portray as Cruella De'Ville the Disney CARTOON, that Florida Republican woman responsible for helping with the botched voting there.

247 redheadredstate  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:27:32am

# 192 Irish Rose

Sorry, but I will never forgive McCain for the "Gang of 14" We had the Dems by the short hairs and turned victory into defeat largely because of McCain. I'll vote for him ONLY because he's the lesser of 3 evils. I will probably be violently ill afterward but I'll vote for the idiot. For those who don't remember what the "Gang of 14" is here's the link.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

248 maddogg  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:27:56am

Cripes! I can't believe some of the comments I'm seeing here. Hillary likable? Shit, folks, lets get a grip. Hildebeast is a very nasty individual, who treats people who can't help her like shit. So, just because her party is railroading her fat ass is no cause for us to go all starry eyed and fuzzy. She is evil, and pretty much just like Obama on 98% of her views. So lets not run off to la la land like fools.

249 Kalak  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:27:57am

re: #223 JustMyView

Well, yes. They've realized that the people in the sandbox who publically hang people for being gay love Obama, and that can't exactly be a good sign.

250 Kenneth  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:28:01am

re: #212 realwest

I haven't checked the figures, but it seems to me that Hilary has won most of the delegates since the Rev. Wright fiasco. Obama's lead is based largely upon his early victories before the people had a good look at him & the people around him.

251 republic  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:28:38am

re: #181 David Simon

Am I the only idiot who has rented An Inconvenient Truth? A bigger waste of 90 minutes I cannot imagine.

Actually, every public school in America, at tax payers expense, has "Inconvenient Truth" as ciriculum, and any student who doesn't answer the questions of the test or right the essay in support of the movie, is failed.

I have first hand experience with my children and have heard it from others as ell.

"Your childs answer was not consistent with the ciriculum."

You seeing and understanding the enviroporn flick, and yours and mines opinion of it, means nothing.

252 alegrias  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:28:50am

re: #210 Neo Con since 9-11

re: #178 WriterMom

Damn it, I know it's the right thing to do but after gas and time off work I'm going to be out another $100 by the time it's all done.

* * *
Can't you do this by email or fax? Call their 1-800 number and get them to help you do this cheaply. Good luck and thanks for fighting back.

253 Hengineer  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:29:11am

re: #95 Creeping Eruption

Rotating title

thirded?

254 JohnnyReb  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:29:18am

Pure speculation here, but couldn't the HRC campaign be the leak behind the Michelle Obama video thingy?

Surely it is possible. And she is just waiting to see if she really has to use it after tonight. Been making those last minute desparate pleading phone calls to the Super Delegates and all.

Hmmmm......

255 Kalak  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:29:19am

re: #248 maddogg

She may be evil, but intelligent. Obama is fatally naive and a rather stupid empty suit. That's FAR more dangerous.

Even the evil can recognize a threat to their reign from without and deal with it. Obama would try to give it a hug.

256 alegrias  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:30:03am

re: #247 redheadredstate

# 192 Irish Rose

Sorry, but I will never forgive McCain for the "Gang of 14" We had the Dems by the short hairs and turned victory into defeat largely because of McCain. I'll vote for him ONLY because he's the lesser of 3 evils. I will probably be violently ill afterward but I'll vote for the idiot. For those who don't remember what the "Gang of 14" is here's the link.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

* * *
Thanks for putting the country's need to WIN above your concerns.

257 JustMyView  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:30:28am

re: #109 Nevergiveup

The only thing Obama could promise her that would interest her at all is the Supreme Court. G-D help is all!

I don't think Hillary would want to be on the Supreme Court. She is a political animal, accustomed to lots of activity, interaction, deal-making. The court is about analysis, argument, and writing in a far more scholarly way. Of course, I don't know her soul, but I can't feature her going to work at the court. I just don't think she'd like it.

258 Intrepid  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:30:29am

re: #248 maddogg

I think she is a nasty person (if even half of the rumors about her treatment of Secret Service agents are to be believed) but I enjoy what her campaign is doing to the dems this year.

That doesn't translate to "liking her", in any stretch of the imagination.

259 cookielady  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:30:37am

re: #247 redheadredstate

I'm with you. Can't stand McCain, or wishy-washy liberal Republicans who have let the liberal left taint their values and call it moderation.

260 rusty_armor  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:30:54am

re: #247 redheadredstate

# 192 Irish Rose

Sorry, but I will never forgive McCain for the "Gang of 14" We had the Dems by the short hairs and turned victory into defeat largely because of McCain. I'll vote for him ONLY because he's the lesser of 3 evils. I will probably be violently ill afterward but I'll vote for the idiot. For those who don't remember what the "Gang of 14" is here's the link.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Look at it as not voting for McCain, but voting against the presumptive nominee, BHO

261 BGOH  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:31:05am

What is this business about a "whitey" tape of Michelle Obama? Bob Boeckle seems to think it may be real, but I hadn't heard anything about it until Rush just mentioned it. Anyone have anything on this?

262 EC Marm  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:32:18am

re: #250 Kenneth

I haven't checked the figures, but it seems to me that Hilary has won most of the delegates since the Rev. Wright fiasco. Obama's lead is based largely upon his early victories before the people had a good look at him & the people around him.


I believe you are in Canada if I'm not mistaken. How come you can see so clearly from your distance what the Democrats in this country can not?

263 maddogg  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:32:23am

re: #255 Kalak

She may be evil, but intelligent. Obama is fatally naive and a rather stupid empty suit. That's FAR more dangerous.

Even the evil can recognize a threat to their reign from without and deal with it. Obama would try to give it a hug.

No it's not. I prefer stupid enemies to intelligent and evil any day. Hillary will move this country as far to the left as she can, and that makes her more dangerous then the feckless Obama, who couldn't find his ass with both hands.

264 marge45b  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:32:27am

I hope the pantsuit color is green instead of red today! I want our girl in till the end!

265 redstateredneck  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:32:28am

re: #257 JustMyView

I don't think Hillary would want to be on the Supreme Court. She is a political animal, accustomed to lots of activity, interaction, deal-making. The court is about analysis, argument, and writing in a far more scholarly way. Of course, I don't know her soul, but I can't feature her going to work at the court. I just don't think she'd like it.

Plus it only pays around 200K a year.

266 zmdavid  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:32:33am

re: #247 redheadredstate

I've heard people say that we need to keep the Filibuster alive for when the shoe is on the other foot. I reject that argument for 2 reasons:
1. No Democrats will participate in a "Gang of 14" type of agreement when there is a Dem Pres. I can hear Sen. Byrd laughing already. They'll use the nuclear option immediately.
2. The Republicans don't have the courage to Filibuster anyway.

267 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:32:57am

re: #244 realwest

Yeah, but as I said in my #212, the superdelegates don't vote until the convention. Barry keeps screwing up and the super's could easily surge back to Clinton.

I disagree. The Dems cannot win general elections in big cities without the 92% of the black vote that they take for granted depend on. Conventional Wisdom suggests that Obama already is the candidate. If Hillary wins it will only be seen by blacks (and many others) as "stolen". A slim majority of black voters tend to stay home on election day any way, but if that suddenly became the vast majority? Bad news not just for Hillary, but for dozens of Congressional races.

They will not screw Obama now, for fear of permanently alienating black voters, whom they've fed with feelings of entitlement for years. Time to pay the check.

268 cookielady  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:33:04am

re: #259 cookielady

I do, however, plan to vote for him (McCain), despite my strong gag reflex at the thought.

269 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:33:09am

re: #224 Pawn of the Oppressor

Everyone walks out of that alive...

I think you mean the bar scene in Desperado.

270 Spiker  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:33:30am

#190
I'm sure we'll see plenty of morons trying to recreate those scenes a couple of months from now.....because, like, it was so cool back then, man.

271 Russkilitlover  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:33:35am

re: #28 Sharmuta

In a sense, these media people better pray to whatever deity they believe in that Hillary doesn't pull something off, because they will find out the hard way what a scorched earth policy really means.

I would dearly love to see Hillary win the nomination and then turn her eye on her former supporters turned Obamabats. Would not want to be them!

272 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:33:55am

re: #71 pbird

My G-d! Of course she's tough. Thats all she is. Tough. And mean.

Ranma fan or just like the pic?

273 Neo Con since 9-11  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:33:58am

re: #252 alegrias

* * *
Can't you do this by email or fax? Call their 1-800 number and get them to help you do this cheaply. Good luck and thanks for fighting back.

Sadly no. The officer said I need to be there in person.

274 irish rose  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:34:46am

re: #248 maddogg

Cripes! I can't believe some of the comments I'm seeing here. Hillary likable? Shit, folks, lets get a grip. Hildebeast is a very nasty individual, who treats people who can't help her like shit. So, just because her party is railroading her fat ass is no cause for us to go all starry eyed and fuzzy. She is evil, and pretty much just like Obama on 98% of her views. So lets not run off to la la land like fools.

Perhaps what we really need on this thread are more /sarc tags ;)

275 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:34:46am
276 CIA Reject  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:35:27am

re: #163 Creeping Eruption

I respectfully disagree. I think anyone who aspires to national public office is most likely a narcissist out for their own benefit (among other things perhaps). I have perfect faith that there are no true public servants. Those that are, do not become politicians.

I think we're quibbling over semantics here. I agree that an oversized ego is certainly part of every successful politician's personality, but there is a heck of a big difference between that and Narcissistic Personality Disorder or some other PD which drives a person to pursue power regardless of the consequences for their families, their countries, and themselves

277 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:35:29am

re: #247 redheadredstate

# 192 Irish Rose

Sorry, but I will never forgive McCain for the "Gang of 14" We had the Dems by the short hairs and turned victory into defeat largely because of McCain. I'll vote for him ONLY because he's the lesser of 3 evils. I will probably be violently ill afterward but I'll vote for the idiot. For those who don't remember what the "Gang of 14" is here's the link.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

The horrible sin you hate McCain for was preventing the use of the nuclear option. If you had your way, our current minority of Republicans would not have the power to filibuster the Dems. I think your hate of McCain is a little short-sighted, frankly.

278 republic  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:35:29am

re: #261 BGOH

What is this business about a "whitey" tape of Michelle Obama? Bob Boeckle seems to think it may be real, but I hadn't heard anything about it until Rush just mentioned it. Anyone have anything on this?

Look, Charles Barkley said on cable tv news, "I hate white people", and there were no consequences of any kind, none.

Now that may not be anything like running for POTUS, but even if there is a tape showing Michelle Obama railing on "white people", it isn't going to change anything, the msm will not show it, and if they do, they'll have some idiot, as they do, go frame by frame of it, and spin it into something "appropriate".

The tape even if it exists and is shown, will not change a thing, in fact, the press will try and turn it into a positive thing for Obama.

I don't care what she may have said, it won't change a thing.

279 realwest  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:36:01am

re: #250 Kenneth Well with the way the Dem's allocate delegates I'm not sure of any "vote counting"; all I know is that Hillary has won EVERY primary since then, except Oregon. She wins today in Montana and S. Dakota, I think she has more state victories and she's already won: California, New York, New Jersey, Texas, Ohio, Florida (where Obama WAS on the ballot) and I'd say Michigan (cause I don't know why Obama chose not to even be on the ballot except he figured he'd lose). And she won those popular votes in a Dem primary! What chance does Obama have in those States in a general election?
At least, if I was advising Hillary, I'd tell her to push that electability and momentum meme to the DNC and at the convention.
Meanwhile I'm hoping the Dem's are so frustrated, angry and fighting amongst themselves that they choose Gore again! LOL!

280 Kenneth  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:36:16am

re: #262 EC Marm

Just think of me as the nosy friendly neighbour, peeking over the fence, always cheerful and polite, borrowing your power saw or an aircraft carrier when I need it...

281 Kalak  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:36:26am

re: #263 maddogg

I can't agree. Misguided idealistic leftists are the ones who installed the 20th century's bloodiest dictators, from Stalin to Mao to Pol Pot.

What's worse? Being greedy and evil but calculating on your own, or enabling legions of absolutely batsh*t insane evil people to become powerful and destroy your kingdom and everyone else's?

Machiavelli would have some words with you.

Weak and stupid in that office is worse than cold and calculating.

282 David Simon  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:36:32am

re: #229 alegrias

* * *
Life is too short, my friend.

During the 1990s, some were forced to watch Al Gore as Vice President in "Re-Inventing Government" or REGO, as it was called.

Like Fidel Castro droning on and on and on.

Fahrenheit 9/11 is next. Why am I doing this to myself? I need help!

283 Annar  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:37:09am

re: #230 David Simon

My favorite part was the bit about the sun's heat rays bouncing off the earth, but they can't escape because there's an impenetrable layer in the earth's atmosphere. Obvious question (to anyone who isn't a brainwashed moonbat): If it's impenetrable, how did the rays penetrate to get to the earth's surface in the first place?

This part will be clarified in the sequel when Goracle teams up with this clown to harmonize Imam Obama's message with the global warming government revenue enhancement scheme.

284 alegrias  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:37:11am

re: #273 Neo Con since 9-11

Sadly no. The officer said I need to be there in person.

* * *
Can you talk to someone else? Darn. How unaccomodating.

How many times are crooks let go because COPS don't show up on court day!

285 Iron Fist  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:37:12am

re: #190 The Other Les,

Yeah, 28 shows how peaceful the hippies were. Nothing says peace like nails.

286 redstateredneck  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:37:17am

re: #278 republic

Charles Barkley didn't have a chance of becoming first lady, though.

287 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:37:52am

re: #248 maddogg

Cripes! I can't believe some of the comments I'm seeing here. Hillary likable? Shit, folks, lets get a grip. Hildebeast is a very nasty individual, who treats people who can't help her like shit. So, just because her party is railroading her fat ass is no cause for us to go all starry eyed and fuzzy. She is evil, and pretty much just like Obama on 98% of her views. So lets not run off to la la land like fools.

True, but she has so many enemies on both sides of the aisle (and I don't mean ideological enemies, I mean "curse her name and hope to piss on her grave" enemies) that she would be a far less effective President than Obama (which in this context is a good thing).

288 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:38:51am

re: #269 lawhawk

I think you mean the bar scene in Desperado.

If the Code Pinkos show up, more like the bar scene in Star Wars.

289 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:38:59am

re: #259 cookielady

I'm with you. Can't stand McCain, or wishy-washy liberal Republicans who have let the liberal left taint their values and call it moderation.

The country travels further down the road to socialism every day. The choice is do we want to go fast with Barack or slow with McCain. I don't want to go, but it appears I'm in the minority here. The GOP has been hijacked by the "nice" people.

290 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:39:02am

re: #183 looking closely

If we survived Carter, we could survive Obama.

We'll just have a worse economy, a weaker military, and emboldened enemies (foreign and domestics).

And Iran with nukes.

291 Cygnus  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:39:35am

re: #73 Hengineer

Not emperor but Savior and Messiah, much more religious fervor than political.

The Great High Poobah, His Excellency Lord Obama.

/gag

292 alegrias  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:40:38am

re: #282 David Simon

Fahrenheit 9/11 is next. Why am I doing this to myself? I need help!

* * *
Thanks for sacrificing yourself so we don't have to.

Anyone else see footage of President Bush honoring that Congressional Medal of Honor winner young man who absorbed the live grenade with his body, to save his four fellow soldiers in their vehicle, gave his life so others might live.

What a great human, thank God for such souls.

293 realwest  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:40:54am

re: #261 BGOH
ROTFLMAO! It - the rumor about the tape - has been floated by one Larry Johnson - a "blogger" in Hillary's tank) since Memorial Day and so far he hasn't produced anything remotely close to a tape!
And I don't think it exists (although, given the language and tone of the church Mr. and Mrs. Obama went to, it wouldn't surprise me if she did say that she hates "Whitey").

294 Russkilitlover  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:40:57am

re: #38 VegasRick

Drudge makes me sick.

Wall St. Journal lost me with their endless shilling for open borders and now Drudge by adding to the hype surrounding candidate charlatan. LGF and similar blogs are becoming islands in a widening sea.

295 irish rose  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:43:25am

re: #259 cookielady

re: #259 cookielady

I'm with you. Can't stand McCain, or wishy-washy liberal Republicans who have let the liberal left taint their values and call it moderation.

I rest my case.

296 Kenneth  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:43:30am

re: #281 Kalak

I have to agree with you. Hillary is in it for the love of power,& yes, she is corrupt, but she won't abandon Iraq to the Iranians. Obama will hand Iraq to the mullahs on a golden platter. Obama has the potential of being the Worst President Ever.

297 Adrenalyn  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:43:32am

re: #164 Neo Con since 9-11

A little early for an OT but I need some advice.
On a recent trip to a city about 60 miles away, an a**hole stole $500 from me. Is it worth taking time off work and spending gas money to go back and file a police report, looking at a line up, and possibly testifying at trial when there's little chance this f*cker even has the cash anymore?

No

nothing will happen is most likely the outcome
many, many years ago
the wife and I were at the beach in Alameda
when a sailor tried something with a couple young girls sitting on the beach

I stopped him while the wife hailed the firemen nearby

the Navy shipped him off to Florida
and Alameda simply never followed up with the Navy to turn him over
and he got away with it
I got my name in a report as a vigilante asshole (for all I know)

but to your case
he will likely get caught doing something else and get his due
you will only get aggravation for all the time and money you put into it

I'd "move on" (good grief, did I say that?)

298 alegrias  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:43:36am

re: #289 Kreuzueber Halbmond

The country travels further down the road to socialism every day. The choice is do we want to go fast with Barack or slow with McCain. I don't want to go, but it appears I'm in the minority here. The GOP has been hijacked by the "nice" people.

* * *
In case you missed it, this sight is a POST 9/11 place Charles Johnson created where people who value protecting, preserving & defending the USA in war-time could meet & greet.

Last I checked we're still engaged in this war, and I WANT TO WIN.
Winning is my issue number one.

299 BGOH  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:44:09am

re: #286 redstateredneck

Charles Barkley didn't have a chance of becoming first lady, though.

Exactly. Plus, this would bring every single word ever uttered by GAWD DAMN Wright to a level of legitimacy that the MSM would no longer be able to whitewash away.

If this tape exists it will be a devastating blow against Obama. You won't be able to tell by watching ABC/NBC/CBS, etc., but people have all kinds of ways of hearing about things like this these days...

300 Iron Fist  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:44:10am

re: #247 redheadredstate,

If the Obamessiah wins, we will learn whether the Gang of 14 was a sellout or not. I expect that Obama will face filibusters on all his L³eftwing Judicial appointments.

If the Republicans don't do that, then the Gang of 14 was indeed a sellout.

301 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:44:14am

re: #278 republic

Look, Charles Barkley said on cable tv news, "I hate white people", and there were no consequences of any kind, none.

Now that may not be anything like running for POTUS, but even if there is a tape showing Michelle Obama railing on "white people", it isn't going to change anything, the msm will not show it, and if they do, they'll have some idiot, as they do, go frame by frame of it, and spin it into something "appropriate".

The tape even if it exists and is shown, will not change a thing, in fact, the press will try and turn it into a positive thing for Obama.

I don't care what she may have said, it won't change a thing.

Might it help just an eensy weensy wittle bit?

302 HBob  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:44:17am

re: #278 republic

Look, Charles Barkley said on cable tv news, "I hate white people", and there were no consequences of any kind, none.

I thought he said he hated conservatives.

303 angst  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:44:50am

re: #206 Intrepid

Uh Oh!

Looks like ill-boding rumblings for the dems this year. Lay this one squarely at the feet of DKos.

Heh!


Interesting article. Last night I got a call telling me I could cross party lines and vote for Barak "sweetie" Obama today if I wanted to. I thanked the Obamabot for alerting me to that fact and told him I guess I'd mosey on down (that's what we do here, right? Mosey.) to the school and vote for Hillary.

But anyway, isn't the larger question really why so many women tolerate the multiculti lefty crowd in the first place since so many members of it want to deprive them of their basic rights? They're just waking up to this cognitive dissonance now that one of their own is getting the shaft. We can add feminists to the crowded spot under the Obama campaign bus wheels, I guess.

304 debutaunt  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:44:58am

re: #248 maddogg

Cripes! I can't believe some of the comments I'm seeing here. Hillary likable? Shit, folks, lets get a grip. Hildebeast is a very nasty individual, who treats people who can't help her like shit. So, just because her party is railroading her fat ass is no cause for us to go all starry eyed and fuzzy. She is evil, and pretty much just like Obama on 98% of her views. So lets not run off to la la land like fools.

Yes. I kind of think the Clinton people pushed Obama to make her appear to be a reasonable alternative.

305 redheadredstate  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:45:14am

# 277 Lizard by the Bay

Oh I have other reasons for hating "the Maverick McCain". Let's see...hmm what about McCain/Feingold? What about the fact that he throws his own constants under the bus all the time? He never wastes an opportunity to demean the Conservative wing of the party. His McCain-Kennedy Guest Worker/Amnesty Bill. Oh, I could go on and on. Here's a link for those interested.

[Link: www.humanevents.com...]

306 BingoBunny  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:45:31am

Hillary will never concede.. she is waiting to save the Democrats from themselves.. either as VP or President nominee.

/2012 is the year of the Hildebeast.. on her own or as LBJ.. 10 years is her game plan.

307 realwest  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:45:49am

re: #267 Lizard by the Bay I agree with your assessment of winning big cities with large black voting blocks, but if you check out some of the big electoral states, (e.g., Florida and Texas) there is a VERY substantial "minority" of Latino-Americans who won't vote for Obama (or any other Black candidate) and I think a lot of states can be won without the black vote (see, e.g., Bush in 2004 trouncing Kerry with less than 15% of the Black vote going for Bush).

308 hermeneutics  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:45:53am

The MSM doesn't have the power to hide info anymore. It will come out and it is our responsibility to make it viral.

309 Adrenalyn  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:46:13am

re: #289 Kreuzueber Halbmond

The GOP has been hijacked by the "nice" people.

yes, and they are "appeasers" if you ask me
for not fighting back when the left attacks
and we're all paying for it

310 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:47:41am

re: #221 republic

Obama would win Illionois even if he was charged and convicted of 1st degree murder, no matter who his running mate would be.

And his victims would also vote for him.

311 redheadredstate  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:47:46am

# 305

PIMF constituents

312 maddogg  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:48:30am

re: #281 Kalak

I can't agree. Misguided idealistic leftists are the ones who installed the 20th century's bloodiest dictators, from Stalin to Mao to Pol Pot.

What's worse? Being greedy and evil but calculating on your own, or enabling legions of absolutely batsh*t insane evil people to become powerful and destroy your kingdom and everyone else's?

Machiavelli would have some words with you.

Weak and stupid in that office is worse than cold and calculating.

And just what type of people do you think Hillary will surround herself with? Do you remember Janet Reno? How about Madeline Halfbrite? How 'bout Joycelin "jerk off" Elders? It won't be John Bolton. And you can bet Al Sharpton and Louis Farrakhan will be making trips to the White House. Hillary is more electable than Obama for obvious reasons, but she will have the same basic agenda. Which, I can assure you, we will not like.

313 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:48:43am

re: #310 Kosh's Shadow

And his victims would also vote for him.

Nice one!

314 zmdavid  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:49:34am

re: #277 Lizard by the Bay

The horrible sin you hate McCain for was preventing the use of the nuclear option. If you had your way, our current minority of Republicans would not have the power to filibuster the Dems. I think your hate of McCain is a little short-sighted, frankly.


The nuclear option only concerned appointees, when there is a Democrat President, it will be used (if the Republicans have the nerve to filibuster a Democrat appointee).

315 rusty_armor  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:49:47am

re: #289 Kreuzueber Halbmond

The GOP has been hijacked by the "nice" people.


No ... the wingtip coalition beat down the Gingrich revolution, and now the party is more like it was before 1994. Ineffectual, collegial, and quite content to indulge in Congressional perks as long as they can stay below the radar.

P!ss on 'em.

316 just another four-letter word  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:51:07am

re: #263 maddogg

No it's not. I prefer stupid enemies to intelligent and evil any day. Hillary will move this country as far to the left as she can, and that makes her more dangerous then the feckless Obama, who couldn't find his ass with both hands.

Never, NEVER underestimate the power of stupidity. It'll get you killed.

JAFLW

317 maddogg  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:52:02am

re: #287 Lizard by the Bay

True, but she has so many enemies on both sides of the aisle (and I don't mean ideological enemies, I mean "curse her name and hope to piss on her grave" enemies) that she would be a far less effective President than Obama (which in this context is a good thing).

I don't agree. The Clinton's are very good at crushing their enemies and making them toe the line.....or else. Hillary will use an iron fist to bring her wayward party under the leash, with sticks and carrots, and if necessary, a cattle prod.

318 cookielady  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:52:06am

re: #315 rusty_armor

No ... the wingtip coalition beat down the Gingrich revolution, and now the party is more like it was before 1994. Ineffectual, collegial, and quite content to indulge in Congressional perks as long as they can stay below the radar.

P!ss on 'em.

Rockefeller Republicans, the non-Dem equivalent of the elites. *spit*

319 just another four-letter word  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:53:18am

re: #268 cookielady

I do, however, plan to vote for him (McCain), despite my strong gag reflex at the thought.

You and about half the people on LGF. I plan on holding my nosw tightly, then pulling the lever. Sigh. It's been this way, so it seems to me, for about 30 years or so now. Vote for the least objectionable candidate...

JAFLW

320 Cygnus  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:55:26am

re: #21 Occasional Reader

Schroedinger's Campaign; simultaneously alive and dead.

Heisenberg's Uncertainty Campaign: you don't know if Hillary's quitting or not.

321 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:55:32am

I can't stand Hillary, but I almost wish she was in our party after this, just to teach Repubs what balls are again.

322 cookielady  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:56:24am

re: #319 just another four-letter word

You and about half the people on LGF. I plan on holding my nosw tightly, then pulling the lever. Sigh. It's been this way, so it seems to me, for about 30 years or so now. Vote for the least objectionable candidate...

JAFLW

That is so true! I am so very sick of having the option of bad and worse every time there's a presidential election...

323 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:56:51am

re: #279 realwest

Well with the way the Dem's allocate delegates I'm not sure of any "vote counting"; all I know is that Hillary has won EVERY primary since then, except Oregon. She wins today in Montana and S. Dakota, I think she has more state victories and she's already won: California, New York, New Jersey, Texas, Ohio, Florida (where Obama WAS on the ballot) and I'd say Michigan (cause I don't know why Obama chose not to even be on the ballot except he figured he'd lose). And she won those popular votes in a Dem primary! What chance does Obama have in those States in a general election?
At least, if I was advising Hillary, I'd tell her to push that electability and momentum meme to the DNC and at the convention.
Meanwhile I'm hoping the Dem's are so frustrated, angry and fighting amongst themselves that they choose Gore again! LOL!

Judging by signs I don't think she can win in MT.

324 irish rose  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:57:27am

re: #305 redheadredstate

# 277 Lizard by the Bay

Oh I have other reasons for hating "the Maverick McCain". Let's see...hmm what about McCain/Feingold? What about the fact that he throws his own constants under the bus all the time? He never wastes an opportunity to demean the Conservative wing of the party. His McCain-Kennedy Guest Worker/Amnesty Bill. Oh, I could go on and on. Here's a link for those interested.

[Link: www.humanevents.com...]


Actually, the only members of the Republican party who are actively opposing McCain and threatening to waste their votes are those on the far-right who are angry that McCain doesn't pander to them (according to the latest Pew research poll).

They are a small percentage of the Republican party, just slightly over 20 percent if I remember correctly.

325 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:57:33am

re: #298 alegrias

* * *
In case you missed it, this sight is a POST 9/11 place Charles Johnson created where people who value protecting, preserving & defending the USA in war-time could meet & greet.

Last I checked we're still engaged in this war, and I WANT TO WIN.
Winning is my issue number one.

I'm aware and want to win, too, and you cite the only reason I'll cast a vote for McCain - strong support for the military. Other than that, he's a Dem with an 'R' after his name.

326 Cygnus  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:58:51am

re: #150 taxfreekiller

[Link: www.timberlinelodge.com...]

wow, all the way to 37 F today,
got that global warming going on

Been there, skied that. Fun in the summer!

327 irish rose  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 9:59:38am

re: #309 Adrenalyn

yes, and they are "appeasers" if you ask me
for not fighting back when the left attacks
and we're all paying for it

Does wanting to work towards bipartisan cooperation automatically earn you the label of "appeaser"? I don't think so.

Again, my two cents.

328 redheadredstate  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:00:10am

# 324 Irish Rose

Actually, the only members of the Republican party who are actively opposing McCain and threatening to waste their votes are those on the far-right who are angry that McCain doesn't pander to them (according to the latest Pew research poll).

They are a small percentage of the Republican party, just slightly over 20 percent if I remember correctly.


I oppose McCain with every fibre of my being but I'll vote for him. I think it is beyond foolish to waste a vote and let BHO or HRC in.

329 maddogg  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:00:25am

re: #321 Mars Needs Neocons

I can't stand Hillary, but I almost wish she was in our party after this, just to teach Repubs what balls are again.


Yeah, I'm sure the Mad Midget is gonna soil his undies when he comes face to face with President Pants Suit.

/s

330 mean Gene  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:00:46am

Fox News is doing a Hillary death watch/
They have a camera on her home as flowers are delivered one after another.
Also they have a countdown as Obama keeps gaining delegate votes.
(He's at 37.5 to reach the magic number now.)

331 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:00:56am

re: #324 irish rose

They are a small percentage of the Republican party, just slightly over 20 percent if I remember correctly.

That may seem like a "small percentage", but McCain can't win without them. 1 in 5 is statistically significant.

At the end of the day though, they'll vote McCain if Obama frightens them enough (and he will).

332 JustMyView  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:01:26am

re: #212 realwest

Sorry to be so late to this thread, but was engaged in conversation with View from Ireland, ah, Just My View on the prior thread.
Has anyone posted that ABC has said, definitively that Hillary is NOT dropping out or conceding?
And why the hell would she? The superdelegates don't and can't "vote" until the convention - and Obama's momentum has been stopped, COLD, over the last two months. And why the hell would she quit on a day when there are two primaries where she's projected to win the popular vote - although I don't know how many delegates, given the way the DNC has this weird way of allocating delegates (e.g., Hillary won Texas Popular Vote, but, iirc, Obama got most of the delegates from Texas)?

Aha! I found you. Just kidding. But, just as was true on the last thread, the popular vote doesn't matter. Re momentum: In recent weeks, HRC has won Puerto Rico (whose voters don't vote in the general election), WV, and KY. Obama has won Oregon and, today, is projected to win South Dakota and Montana. So, there's some momentum on both sides. But, like the popular vote, momentum doesn't matter. Only the number of delegates matters, and Obama is getting more delegates by the hour. By the end of the day, it's very likely that he will have the number required to win the nomination. At the moment, he needs only about 35.

I'm sure Hillary appreciates your support, but, heck, reality matters.

333 cookielady  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:01:33am

re: #327 irish rose

Does wanting to work towards bipartisan cooperation automatically earn you the label of "appeaser"? I don't think so.

Again, my two cents.

Yes, because bipartisan is code for leftward, NEVER rightward.

334 itellu3times  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:03:43am

re: #330 mean Gene

Fox News is doing a Hillary death watch/
They have a camera on her home as flowers are delivered one after another.
Also they have a countdown as Obama keeps gaining delegate votes.
(He's at 37.5 to reach the magic number now.)

Is she there? I'd watch for outbound sniper fire.

335 realwest  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:03:53am

re: #315 rusty_armor
and
re: #318 cookielady

I know I'm gonna get flamed for this, but I don't care - when did the Republican Party become the sole province of conservatives in all things? The last true conservative that I LOVED and who was nominated by the Republicans was Barry Goldwater. And look what happened to him.
TRADITIONALLY, the Republican Party has been "conservative" on foreign policy and moderate on social issues. The Dems have, TRADITIONALLY been liberal on Foreign policy and downright socialist on Domestic Issues.

And the American general electorate has been more closely aligned with the traditional - tough foreign policy, liberal social policy for election after election - they don't like extremists of either conservative or liberal stripe.

Sorry, but I'm a Republican - I believe in a strong US military, believe in using that US military to help others achieve the Freedoms and Democracy we have here in America and am disappointed with the way EVERY damn President has treated Iran and Illegal Immigration since Carter, and I am very PRO ISRAEL, but also feel compassionate about people who can't support themselves and can't afford the medical care necessary for them to continue to live.

336 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:04:17am

re: #329 maddogg

Yeah, I'm sure the Mad Midget is gonna soil his undies when he comes face to face with President Pants Suit.

/s

Better her facing him than the Obamahdi.
And she won't be wearing a burka.

337 mean Gene  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:04:44am

re: #334 itellu3times

re: #334 itellu3times

Is she there? I'd watch for outbound sniper fire.

People are staying out of ashtray range.

338 Cygnus  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:05:05am

re: #195 WriterMom

I would rather go to a Haiku circle with Code Pink.

Hopefully with their tops on. Otherwise you'd have to stock up on eye bleach.

339 itellu3times  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:05:44am

re: #320 Cygnus

Heisenberg's Uncertainty Campaign: you don't know if Hillary's quitting or not.

She's hoping to tunnel through to the nomination.
/quantum geek talk

340 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:05:53am

re: #336 Kosh's Shadow

Better her facing him than the Obamahdi.
And she won't be wearing a burka.

And I was specifically meaning balls when dealing with the other party. We've been pretty much wimps when it comes to calling the Dems on their BS. (our politicians, not us as individuals.)

341 maddogg  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:06:52am

re: #336 Kosh's Shadow

Better her facing him than the Obamahdi.
And she won't be wearing a burka.

Don't bet on it, Pelosi does. And the Beast is a multiculturalist, as are all left wing socialists.

342 irish rose  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:07:14am

re: #328 redheadredstate

# 324 Irish Rose

I oppose McCain with every fibre of my being but I'll vote for him. I think it is beyond foolish to waste a vote and let BHO or HRC in.

I don't particularly like McCain either, and I've said it often before that he wasn't my first choice.

But it's both foolish and dangerous to waste a vote for either of the socialist Dem candidates, or even worse - stay home on November 11.

There are many factions within the Republican party, just as there are in the Democrat party. The truth is that we could wait nearly all of our lives before we see a Republican candidate who is so "perfect" that he makes all of us happy. Most of us will never see one.

Reagan was probably the closest that we'll ever come to it in our lifetimes.

343 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:08:19am

re: #335 realwest

also feel compassionate about people who can't support themselves and can't afford the medical care necessary for them to continue to live.

People could afford it - before government had to get involved. The republicans are in the growing government business, and that is not good for the future of individual freedom.

/lunch

344 irish rose  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:08:35am

re: #333 cookielady

Yes, because bipartisan is code for leftward, NEVER rightward.

Again, I rest my case.

345 vagabond trader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:09:06am

Even if the only reason to vote McCain is his support of our military, that is good enough for me. If we leave Iraq in its present condition, not only will we suffer a humiliation on the order of Vietnam,the degradation of our military strength will allow the Islamists to swarm over the entire middle east.Imagine Iranian proxy's controlling access to oil, totally unchallenged. It'll be $10.00+ a gallon, when you can get it.Our ONLY choice, NOBAMA!

346 EE  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:09:14am

Obama entered politics by having his lawyers go over the nominating petitions of his rivals with a fine tooth comb, and find enough errors that all of his rivals were disqualified. If you find a word on an address misspelled on a nominating petition, that can annul the entire sheet of signatures, so savvy politicians can use up a huge amount of paper by putting only one name on a sheet. Obama's lawyers were able to eliminate the whole field of candidates, so that Obama ran unopposed.
That's how he got into politics.

When he ran to be the US Senator from Illinois, he had opposition within his own Dem party, as well as a Republican opponent. Yet somehow the campaigns of both of his rivals, the Democrat as well as the Republican, imploded because of the outing of sex scandals involving each of them.

Obama is a new candidate on the national scene, who has not been vetted at all. There is no way of knowing what new scandals will come out involving his associates of these past 20 years or so, and what new dumb things he is going to say to show his profound ignorance of history and of geography and of dealing with foreign dictators. Because he has not been vetted at all, there is no way of knowing what is going to come up.

The prospect of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad acquiring nuclear weapons and pursuing nuclear jihad, and of America having as president Barack Hussein Obama is frightening. Ahmadinejad verses the wimpish Obama would be like Adolf Hitler versus Neville Chamberlain; or the Ayatollah Khomeini versus Jimmy Carter. At least with Hillary Clinton as president we would have someone with more experience and more backbone than with Barack Obama as president.

So Senator Clinton should stay available until the actual voting is carried out during the Convention. The superdelegates who had said that they were for Hillary, and who now say that they are for Obama, have not yet voted, and if Obama keeps making gaffes, and if more skeletons come out of the unvetted Obama's closet, they could decide to go back to Hillary. If Obama's campaign implodes, just like the campaigns of his former rivals imploded, Hillary's party would be very happy to have an alternative rather than go down to ignominious defeat.

Hillary: the delegate votes are not in until the voting takes place. Don't be a quitter! Obama is unvetted, and that makes the situation pretty unique, and requiring that an understudy be ready and available if the Obama campaign runs into big trouble or even implodes. Stay in it until the votes are in at the Convention. Don't desert your party and don't desert us, your supporters in this nominating race of the party.

347 mean Gene  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:09:56am

How can she get Obama to pay down her own campaign's debts AND win the nomination at the same time?
I'm thinking there's got to be more to her bringing up RFK's death in June than just the idea of her staying in.
I'm thinking it was more along the lines of when al qaeda calls for action then some lone jihadist acts......but it cannot be directly tied to AQ.

348 Kenneth  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:11:05am

Code Pink Haiku

sagging pink hippies
paper maché goose held high
braless harpies march

349 cookielady  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:11:20am

re: #335 realwest

but also feel compassionate about people who can't support themselves and can't afford the medical care necessary for them to continue to live.

So you are saying conservatives are not compassionate people? I have no problem with programs to help the truly needy, people who, through no fault of their own, need the basics of life: food, medical care, etc. I contribute to privately-funded and faith-based programs as well as the mandated and involuntary government ones. Liberals traditionally do that much less than more conservative folks, because they think GOVERNMENT will take care of it. They also tend to expand and expand and expand these programs to include people who do not merit help: drug addicts who have wasted their lives and their money, promiscuous unmarried women who pump out kid after kid because the government will support them, deadbeats who refuse to work for a living.

Do you see what I mean by values being tainted by the constant drumbeat of liberal ideas? The idea that conservatives are people who lack compassion is one of many that have spread like a stain, and it is as untrue as most liberal ideas.

350 irish rose  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:11:28am

re: #335 realwest

and
re: #318 cookielady

I know I'm gonna get flamed for this, but I don't care - when did the Republican Party become the sole province of conservatives in all things? The last true conservative that I LOVED and who was nominated by the Republicans was Barry Goldwater. And look what happened to him.
TRADITIONALLY, the Republican Party has been "conservative" on foreign policy and moderate on social issues. The Dems have, TRADITIONALLY been liberal on Foreign policy and downright socialist on Domestic Issues.

And the American general electorate has been more closely aligned with the traditional - tough foreign policy, liberal social policy for election after election - they don't like extremists of either conservative or liberal stripe.

Sorry, but I'm a Republican - I believe in a strong US military, believe in using that US military to help others achieve the Freedoms and Democracy we have here in America and am disappointed with the way EVERY damn President has treated Iran and Illegal Immigration since Carter, and I am very PRO ISRAEL, but also feel compassionate about people who can't support themselves and can't afford the medical care necessary for them to continue to live.


VERY well stated.

351 realwest  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:12:05am

re: #332 JustMyView

Well the REALITY is that superdelegates can "favor" Obama all they want to, but until they actually VOTE for him at the convention, they are not legally "pledged" to him at all. They can change their minds and, I believe will, if Hillary can convince them that she can win the general election and Barry can't. That's where momentum and popular vote come into play. Hillary HAS won California, New York, New Jersey, Texas, Ohio and Florida - and I'd give her Michigan too - it's not her fault that Barry couldn't be bothered being on the ballot. What BIG ELECTORAL states has Obama won?
And, just so there's no mistake, I'm pulling the Republican lever in any event come November, just want the Dems to chew each other up some more! LOL!

352 just another four-letter word  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:12:30am

re: #327 irish rose

Does wanting to work towards bipartisan cooperation automatically earn you the label of "appeaser"? I don't think so.

Again, my two cents.

Look, IR, if the 'pubs actually stood up for their principles the Donks would have had to meet them halfway.

In reality, the 'pubs are linguini-spined and caved every chance they got, just to stay in power and avoid criticisim.

I *do* think so. Sign of the times, and all that.

JAFLW

353 rusty_armor  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:14:35am

re: #335 realwest

and
re: #318 cookielady

I know I'm gonna get flamed for this, but I don't care - when did the Republican Party become the sole province of conservatives in all things?

Don't know why you would feel that you should be flamed ... since we have a two party system, it is unlikely that we will see a true conservative in the WH, at least in my lifetime. So we are forced to vote for the lesser of two weevils ...

ergo et sum; the GOP is marginally less evil that the Democrats, and I don't feel like tossing my vote away on a third party loser, since it is essentially voting for the opposition.

You may feel differently.

354 redheadredstate  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:14:59am
# 349 Cookie Lady

Well said, you go girl!

355 Cygnus  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:15:52am

re: #339 itellu3times

She's hoping to tunnel through to the nomination.
/quantum geek talk

LOL!

356 canadianconservative  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:16:20am

re: #296 Kenneth

I have to agree with you. Hillary is in it for the love of power,& yes, she is corrupt, but she won't abandon Iraq to the Iranians. Obama will hand Iraq to the mullahs on a golden platter. Obama has the potential of being the Worst President Ever.

He's about the only person I can think of who could possibly be worse than Jimmy the Dhimmi..... and teh only candidate ever with a flimsier resume.

The Sun sets on the America we know , and indeed as a great power if he wins.

My worry is that enough young people have been so indoctrinated with leftist America hating pablum over the years that Obama might actually pull it off.
I beleive he truly is the manchurian candidate.

357 republic  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:18:09am

re: #286 redstateredneck

Charles Barkley didn't have a chance of becoming first lady, though.


I believe he is planning on running For Gov. of Alabama.

358 Adrenalyn  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:18:57am

re: #327 irish rose

Does wanting to work towards bipartisan cooperation automatically earn you the label of "appeaser"? I don't think so.

Again, my two cents.

and a very polite two cents I might start my reply with

but working towards bipartisanship is the ideal goal- indeed
as both sides do bring some good ideas to the table

though when the left is constantly (for example) calling Bush a liar, war criminal, puppy kicker
he needs to respond
fuck being "Presidential" for once
when Ted Kennedy celebrates Abu Ghraib
he needs to be called on it
when Obama is caught in a lie
or exposed as a racist, McCain should broadcast it
they'd do the same to/for him, and then some

359 JustMyView  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:20:40am

re: #279 realwest

Well with the way the Dem's allocate delegates I'm not sure of any "vote counting"; all I know is that Hillary has won EVERY primary since then, except Oregon. She wins today in Montana and S. Dakota, I think she has more state victories and she's already won: California, New York, New Jersey, Texas, Ohio, Florida (where Obama WAS on the ballot) and I'd say Michigan (cause I don't know why Obama chose not to even be on the ballot except he figured he'd lose). And she won those popular votes in a Dem primary! What chance does Obama have in those States in a general election?
At least, if I was advising Hillary, I'd tell her to push that electability and momentum meme to the DNC and at the convention.
Meanwhile I'm hoping the Dem's are so frustrated, angry and fighting amongst themselves that they choose Gore again! LOL!

Real, Barack has won 33 of the 51 contests that have taken place (48 states, the District of Columbia, Guam, and Puerto Rico), and he is projected to win both elections taking place today. I'm mystified about your enthusiasm for HRC, but I'm even more mystified about why you keep ignoring the facts.

As to how Obama will perform in the general, only time will tell. You can, though, take a look at the polls in battleground states to get a sense of where things stand now. (See the links in the column on the left.)

360 angst  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:21:42am

re: #332 JustMyView

I can't pretend to have seen every exit poll thus far, but isn't Hillary spanking Obama in SD and very close in MT? I think Mason/Dixon had her winning MT a few days back. So this might be a case of "it ain't over 'til it's over." Or a case of wishful thinking on my part because I really want those two to go at it for a few more weeks. And then have someone swap out the environmentally-friendly dinnerware in Denver with the real thing.

One can dream.

361 republic  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:22:11am

re: #352 just another four-letter word

In reality, the 'pubs are linguini-spined and caved every chance they got, just to stay in power and avoid criticisim.

The liberal and moderate Republicans got their @#$es handed to them in 2006 by Dems running to the right of them.

The reason those Republicans got beat, was because they caved every chance, and the Dems sounding conservative was what voters voted in.

Republicans, at least conservative Repubs win elections handily, when they stick to their conservative principals.

362 just another four-letter word  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:23:10am

re: #353 rusty_armor

Don't know why you would feel that you should be flamed ... since we have a two party system, it is unlikely that we will see a true conservative in the WH, at least in my lifetime. So we are forced to vote for the lesser of two weevils weasels...

ergo et sum; the GOP is marginally less evil that the Democrats, and I don't feel like tossing my vote away on a third party loser, since it is essentially voting for the opposition.

You may feel differently.

I don't. Fixed your syntax, BTW...

JAFLW

363 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:25:29am

re: #360 angst

I can't pretend to have seen every exit poll thus far, but isn't Hillary spanking Obama in SD and very close in MT? I think Mason/Dixon had her winning MT a few days back. So this might be a case of "it ain't over 'til it's over." Or a case of wishful thinking on my part because I really want those two to go at it for a few more weeks. And then have someone swap out the environmentally-friendly dinnerware in Denver with the real thing.

One can dream.

As I said earlier I will be shocked if Hillary gets MT. There are Obama signs and bumper stickers everywhere. Her appearances garnered a much smaller crowd than O's even figuring in the attendance inflation and the bussed in high schoolers.

364 realwest  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:27:47am

re: #343 Kreuzueber Halbmond
and
re: #349 cookielady
I've never said conservatives weren't compassionate people and if we'd done with social security what Barry Goldwater wanted to we'd all be better off. But we didn't. And to think that we can eliminate Social Security and all it's spawn NOW, is just foolishness. And yes I HAVE heard "conservatives" say that's what we must do, eliminate soc sec and all of it's related programs, give health care and disability assistance back to the people. But how do you do that for American's over the age of, say, 45 or 50? What do they do?
And we can't give US back all of the money we've paid into Social Security cause it ain't there - Republicans and Democrats alike have been using soc sec payments as just another source of revenue.
I'm against socialize medicine but also think someone ought to look into the way pharmaceutical companies, Medical insurance companies and hospitals charge their customers and set prices.
I'm on SSDI because I have mestastizing prostate cancer which will probably kill me in two years or so. When I lived in NYC I couldn't afford Medical Insurance for myself so when I got cancer I went to a City owned hospital and clinic and guess what - the drug companies ONLY charged that hospital their cost of the drugs (some NYC law) which the hospital's pharmacy made available. Even when I got on private medical insurance, my primary cancer drugs ran me about $1,150 a month; at the City hospital they cost me $125 a month.
This country is in dire straights with all the government funded (and rarely scrutinized) social programs. But to suggest that private charity will take care of that is just absurd.

365 irish rose  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:29:41am

re: #349 cookielady

They also tend to expand and expand and expand these programs to include people who do not merit help: drug addicts who have wasted their lives and their money, promiscuous unmarried women who pump out kid after kid because the government will support them, deadbeats who refuse to work for a living.

Do you see what I mean by values being tainted by the constant drumbeat of liberal ideas? The idea that conservatives are people who lack compassion is one of many that have spread like a stain, and it is as untrue as most liberal ideas.

Merit help, according to whose moral standards?

This is exactly with problem with those who base their politics on their religious idealism. You pick and choose who you deem worthy of help, based upon your own moral platform.

Most conservatives believe in helping the poor and disadvantaged because it's the right thing to do. Those on the far right are the only conservatives who insist that people earn their compassion.

I apologize for opening a can of worms and running, but I do have to go into work for an hour or so. Back later.

366 realwest  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:30:04am

re: #359 JustMyView
When was the last election that the polls were right about?
And Hillary has won ALL of the big electoral states except Illinois.
And I'm only enthusiastic for Hillary so as to keep the Dem bloodletting continue and enhance McCain's chances of winning in November.

367 mean Gene  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:31:44am

AP claims Obama has clinched!
Just breaking now.

368 redc1c4  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:33:23am

re: #164 Neo Con since 9-11

A little early for an OT but I need some advice.
On a recent trip to a city about 60 miles away, an a**hole stole $500 from me. Is it worth taking time off work and spending gas money to go back and file a police report, looking at a line up, and possibly testifying at trial when there's little chance this f*cker even has the cash anymore?

oh hell yes..... why let him get off?

369 Annar  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:33:23am

re: #310 Kosh's Shadow

And his victims would also vote for him.

Especially in Chicago where the dead MUST vote Dhimmicrat and, if necessary, several times over.

370 debutaunt  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:34:26am

re: #367 mean Gene

AP claims Obama has clinched!
Just breaking now.

AP? It must be true.

371 realwest  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:34:54am

re: #366 realwest
BTW, I wonder if you added up the electoral votes of the states Hillary has won and compared them to what Obama has won, who would win "that" election. That's reality.

372 Kenneth  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:36:09am

re: #370 debutaunt

Breaking: AP Declaring Obama President, McCain To Concede

373 realwest  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:37:54am

re: #367 mean Gene For the last fucking time - superdelegates can say they are going for Obama (or Clinton) all they want to; it doesn't matter.
The only thing that matters is who the superdelegates actually VOTE FOR AT THE CONVENTION and there's a looong way to go, in what is already a very tight race, for anyone to crown Obama as the Dem nominee.
Oh and fuck the Associated (with Terrorists) Press.
And Matt Drudge.

374 canadianconservative  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:38:02am

re: #372 Kenneth

Breaking: AP Declaring Obama President, McCain To Concede

Breaking! God abdicates in favour of Obama!

375 Kenneth  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:38:41am

re: #373 realwest

There you go again, talking "facts". We don't need your steenking facts, man!

376 realwest  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:38:56am

re: #372 Kenneth
ROTFLMAO! Sorta like "DEWEY BEATS TRUMAN" only not quite as real! LOL!
Thanks for the chuckle, I needed that today.

377 Annar  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:39:16am

re: #341 maddogg

Don't bet on it, Pelosi does. And the Beast is a multiculturalist, as are all left wing socialists.

Actully they'd both be better off in full burqas with integrated gags.

378 debutaunt  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:39:39am

re: #372 Kenneth

Breaking: AP Declaring Obama President, McCain To Concede

HAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHA

379 JustMyView  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:40:19am

re: #351 realwest

Well the REALITY is that superdelegates can "favor" Obama all they want to, but until they actually VOTE for him at the convention, they are not legally "pledged" to him at all. They can change their minds and, I believe will, if Hillary can convince them that she can win the general election and Barry can't. That's where momentum and popular vote come into play. Hillary HAS won California, New York, New Jersey, Texas, Ohio and Florida - and I'd give her Michigan too - it's not her fault that Barry couldn't be bothered being on the ballot. What BIG ELECTORAL states has Obama won?
And, just so there's no mistake, I'm pulling the Republican lever in any event come November, just want the Dems to chew each other up some more! LOL!

It's true that HRC won lots of big states, but the bluest states (CA, NY, NJ) will remain blue. Whoever is the Democratic candidate is almost certain to win them. Same for MA, CT, and some others. Obama has won lots of other states that generally go blue: WI, MN, WA, OR. He also has a good shot at some purple states: VA, CO, NV, NM. In those battleground state polls I mentioned, Obama is ahead in PA, OH, IA, and some others. So, he has work to do, but he is by no means out of the running.

Gotta run, my friend. Nice arguing w/ you.

380 Kenneth  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:40:44am

re: #376 realwest

anytime. that's what I'm here for.

381 angst  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:41:55am

re: #363 Mars Needs Neocons

Well, the folks at the margins are always more likely to attend a rally or slap on a bumper sticker, especially those at the left margin. They're really big on protests, marches and walk-outs while the rest of the silent majority just go about their day. One needs look no further than the antiwar protests to know that.

However, their vote counts no more or less than someone toward the center. In fact, with school out, I'm guessing a big portion of the Obamabots have "better" things to do right now than vote. Either way, we won't have long to wait.

382 realwest  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:42:42am

re: #349 cookielady
" people who do not merit help: drug addicts who have wasted their lives and their money, promiscuous unmarried women who pump out kid after kid because the government will support them, deadbeats who refuse to work for a living."

So what do you suggest we do with these dregs of society? Incarcerate them when they commit or try to commit crimes or just let them die in the streets?

383 Kalak  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:43:32am

re: #312 maddogg

And just what type of people do you think Hillary will surround herself with? Do you remember Janet Reno? How about Madeline Halfbrite? How 'bout Joycelin "jerk off" Elders? It won't be John Bolton. And you can bet Al Sharpton and Louis Farrakhan will be making trips to the White House. Hillary is more electable than Obama for obvious reasons, but she will have the same basic agenda. Which, I can assure you, we will not like.

Would you rather have Farrakhan, Sharpton and Jackson just making visits? Or serving in the cabinet as they would under Obama?

384 realwest  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:44:10am

I'm outta here folks - getting waaaay to pissed off to continue without being banned.
Hope you all have a good day and that I get the chance to see you down the road.

385 blue_like_jazz  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:44:28am

the MSM is deciding this "election".

we ended up with mc cain largely because he was who the MSM wanted us to have... TRUE conservatives like duncan hunter were never given the chance to gain any traction with a large audience.

now they are pushing bho down our throats because he is who they want.

this kind of bias is abominable. it is anathema to the founding fathers' intent.

i honestly hate that it is happening to hillary... NOBODY should be bullied by the press this way.

386 alegrias  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:45:23am

Hillary Clinton was a Goldwater Girl in her youth, before she drank the rebellious 60s koolaid.

In less than a year, Hillary has seen who these people really are and what they truly stand for, and it's not pretty.

387 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:45:34am

re: #210 Neo Con since 9-11

re: #178 WriterMom

Damn it, I know it's the right thing to do but after gas and time off work I'm going to be out another $100 by the time it's all done.

The judge will order reparations. Regardless of when or not jail time is imposed, if the felon doesn't pay you back, he will go behind bars.

That's a powerful incentive. And you get some money back, at least. Of course, you could be subpoena'ed for a trial, too. The vast majority of the time these guys just cop a plea.

It's worth it on many levels.

388 Kalak  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:45:53am

re: #363 Mars Needs Neocons

As I said earlier I will be shocked if Hillary gets MT. There are Obama signs and bumper stickers everywhere. Her appearances garnered a much smaller crowd than O's even figuring in the attendance inflation and the bussed in high schoolers.

Obama signs everywhere. In Montana.

Would that be the CA liberals that have spread like a stain there, spreading big-box sprawl and complaining whenever someone fires a rifle on their own property?

389 incanus  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:47:12am

re: #365 irish rose

Merit help, according to whose moral standards?

This is exactly with problem with those who base their politics on their religious idealism. You pick and choose who you deem worthy of help, based upon your own moral platform.

Most conservatives believe in helping the poor and disadvantaged because it's the right thing to do. Those on the far right are the only conservatives who insist that people earn their compassion.

I apologize for opening a can of worms and running, but I do have to go into work for an hour or so. Back later.

Sorry, I was following your argument there for a bit but you just lost me. Wanting to not support deadbeats is a religious issue? Wanting to not reward single mothers who keep having children out of wedlock is a religious issue? I think they are just as likely to be economic issues, if not simple common sense. I'm beginning to wonder if you see a difference between "help" and "support" - IOW, I have no problem helping someone who needs help; I do have a problem with supporting someone who has no inclination to do so on their own.

390 JustMyView  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:49:13am

re: #360 angst

I can't pretend to have seen every exit poll thus far, but isn't Hillary spanking Obama in SD and very close in MT? I think Mason/Dixon had her winning MT a few days back. So this might be a case of "it ain't over 'til it's over." Or a case of wishful thinking on my part because I really want those two to go at it for a few more weeks. And then have someone swap out the environmentally-friendly dinnerware in Denver with the real thing.

One can dream.

What I had heard was that Obama was expected to trounce Clinton in MT and win more narrowly in SD. I think it will be over tonight.

391 alegrias  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:50:03am

re: #388 Kalak

Obama signs everywhere. In Montana.

Would that be the CA liberals that have spread like a stain there, spreading big-box sprawl and complaining whenever someone fires a rifle on their own property?

* * *
We must accept our own neighbors/school teachers/community leaders are doing this to themselves, and us.

Can't just blame California--Reagan & Nixon came from that state too.

392 Colonel Panik  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:53:42am

Mad Hillary: Beyond Denverdome

Two Dems enter! One Dem leaves!

393 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 10:57:45am

re: #388 Kalak

Obama signs everywhere. In Montana.

Would that be the CA liberals that have spread like a stain there, spreading big-box sprawl and complaining whenever someone fires a rifle on their own property?

Pretty much. I've made my position clear.

394 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 11:06:28am

re: #293 realwest

ROTFLMAO! It - the rumor about the tape - has been floated by one Larry Johnson - a "blogger" in Hillary's tank) since Memorial Day and so far he hasn't produced anything remotely close to a tape!
And I don't think it exists (although, given the language and tone of the church Mr. and Mrs. Obama went to, it wouldn't surprise me if she did say that she hates "Whitey").

I'm not so sure. There have been major rumors that at least one of seven networks has a tape in their possession. There has been further speculation that it's most likely Fox News, and Sean Hannity has made oblique reference to some very damning video material that he has in his possession.

And we know that Hannity is very opposed to Obama on character, foreign policy and experience issues, among others. I don't think that Hannity has the kind of clout that would be needed to break such a huge story, however. I believe that if Fox News has the tape, the one who would break the story would be Bill O'Reilly, who has no love lost for the man, and has the strongest current voice in all of network news.

If it even gets broken at all. If Fox holds the tape, they hold enormous bargaining power with all sides.

395 Colonel Panik  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 11:07:33am

re: #393 Mars Needs Neocons

Pretty much. I've made my position clear.

As I like to say, it was the Californication of Colorado that produced the Coloradical. It's been going on there since the early-mid 70's.

Here in AZ, we have our moonbat infestation as well...it's happening in Tucson, PHX, Flagstaff. But I would guesstimate at least 1/2 of the Californians moving to AZ are attempting to flee moonbattery, not spread it. Problem is CA isn't the only state we get lefties from...

The historic "Willo" neighborhood near downtown Phoenix is awash in Obama yard signs. (sigh)

396 looking closely  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 11:10:04am

re: #324 irish rose

Actually, the only members of the Republican party who are actively opposing McCain and threatening to waste their votes are those on the far-right who are angry that McCain doesn't pander to them (according to the latest Pew research poll).

They are a small percentage of the Republican party, just slightly over 20 percent if I remember correctly.

20 percent of the contituency isn't "small" by any stretch. . .its absolutely huge, the difference between a landslide one way, and a landslide the other. There are probably 15 states where that kind of difference would tip things:

If these disaffected Republicans stay home or go third party the outcome will be the same. . . a loss for McCain, unless he can pick up an equally large number of disaffected Democrats.

McCain needs to convince them to come out. . .(or Obama does).

397 angst  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 11:14:16am

re: #388 Kalak

Actually, they're from Oregon and Washington. But there are a lot of traditional Democratic bastions in the parts of the state are or were based on mining/agriculture and needed the Democratic party of old that stood up for the little guy. Butte is a good example of that. I don't think they realize what their nationalparty has become considering our Senators and Governor are still cut from that Yellow Dog cloth, more or less.

My dad would never, ever recognize the national Democratic Party or the unions these days, God rest his poor miner's soul.

398 looking closely  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 11:15:17am

re: #394 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I'm not so sure. There have been major rumors that at least one of seven networks has a tape in their possession.


I'll believe it when I see it.

What's Johnson's excuse for coming up empty? He said this was going to be released yesterday. . .where is it?

If the tape existed, a lot of people would have incentive to spread it around, and it would be very hard to keep a secret. Also if Michelle Obama did speak at an event with Farrakhan, people would remember that (even if there were no tape of it floating around).

399 american jewess in jerusalem  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 11:17:51am

Boy, I am really starting to like her! She's a little bulldog, isn't she?

I cannot BELIEVE the MSM is pulling such a stunt as this, trying to force events by false reporting.

400 maddogg  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 11:25:39am

re: #383 Kalak

Would you rather have Farrakhan, Sharpton and Jackson just making visits? Or serving in the cabinet as they would under Obama?

I'd rather have neither. My point is, McCain will beat Obama easily I think. Hillary would be much harder. So I want Obama to win the Dem. nomination, then fizzle miserably when the Hillaryites vote McCain, and Obama has an opportunity to show the country what a dipshit he really is.

401 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 11:29:24am

re: #398 looking closely

I'll believe it when I see it.

What's Johnson's excuse for coming up empty? He said this was going to be released yesterday. . .where is it?

If the tape existed, a lot of people would have incentive to spread it around, and it would be very hard to keep a secret. Also if Michelle Obama did speak at an event with Farrakhan, people would remember that (even if there were no tape of it floating around).

That's not exactly what he said. He said he'd release more information about this, and clarified his statement by saying he was not in possession of the tape, but was aware of its existence and believed from the number of sources and their credibility that it is true.

It's been speculated that the alleged tape, if it exists, would be revealed at a time when the impact would be the greatest. That clearly would either be right before or near the start of the dem convention, or shortly before election day.

Let's not forget the nasty, evil attempt to destroy the election chances of Bush that was foisted on us practically on the eve of the election by Dan Rather. He released his false allegations with such timing as to have a gigantic audience on the Sunday before election day for 60 Minutes.

This could be the payback.

402 Dustyvet  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 11:41:13am

Obama seals Democratic nomination in AP tally

Updated: 06/03/08 - 12:24 PM

Barack Obama has effectively clinched the Democratic presidential nomination, based on an Associated Press tally of convention delegates.

403 mean Gene  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 11:49:26am

RealWest might have gone and taken a break, buy he's right.
Superdelegates are being courted by Hillary to look at the ''undemocratic'' way that Obama won as a tactic to get them to go her way.....you know, the popular vote way.
As dumb as most dems are (at least the ones who voted for Obama) if the supers are capable of anything, including a wholesale switch to Hillary.
Jimmah just made it official: he's on Obama's bandwagon as a super.

404 AZDave  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 11:50:17am

re: #46 Nevergiveup

Now would be a perfect time to drop that "whitey" tape on Obama. Just saying.

The MSM wouldn't touch that tape with a ten foot pole. It would be deep-sixed so fast it would make a New York minute seem like an eternity.

405 AZDave  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 11:52:41am

re: #55 Ojoe

We are watching the train wreck of the Democratic Party, from which it will take them decades to recover, IMHO

Wishful thinking. But I hope you're right.

406 leprechaun  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 11:55:50am

re: #28 Sharmuta

amen sister.

407 leprechaun  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 11:57:40am

re: #52 buzzsawmonkey

its your neighborhood. There are amount of gays campaigning for Hillary.

408 AZDave  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 12:01:27pm

re: #78 buzzsawmonkey

Exactly. I do not understand what his appeal to the gay constituency is--other than that he is not a Republican, and the gay community is second only to the black community in its blind loyalty to the Democrats.

Don't forget the Jewish community. Slap a "I'm a Democrat" sticker on Hitler and he'd receive a majority of the Jewish vote.

(Don't give me any grief--I'm Jewish.)

409 AZDave  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 12:06:05pm

re: #106 imtoast

McAuliffe is a smarmy liar. I think he is saying this because of the voting today. He doesn't want Hillary to lose any votes. I truly cannot stomach Terry, ick!

Is that PC for boldfaced liar?

410 littleO  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 12:14:21pm

Hill is only suspending her campaign in hopes of bringing down BHO before the convention.
On the other hand, I was always a Romney hopeful and feel Romney would do nothing but good for McCain as VP.

411 AZDave  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 12:15:10pm

re: #182 Ilxixiixs

They want her out sooooo bad that they make up stories about her! Must be tough to be a Dem this year and even tougher to be a Clinton.

You have to ask yourself why would anyone want that big fat lying sack of shit Bill Clinton anywhere near the White House again?

412 Irish Rose  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 12:28:03pm

re: #389 incanus

Sorry, I was following your argument there for a bit but you just lost me. Wanting to not support deadbeats is a religious issue? Wanting to not reward single mothers who keep having children out of wedlock is a religious issue?

Not to most people, but they certainly are to some people.

I think they are just as likely to be economic issues, if not simple common sense. I'm beginning to wonder if you see a difference between "help" and "support" - IOW, I have no problem helping someone who needs help; I do have a problem with supporting someone who has no inclination to do so on their own.

I've had to navigate the system myself in time of need, and I fully understand the difference between "helping" and "supporting". One is a hand up at a critical time in life, and the other implies long-term dependancy (which is acceptable, in some cases).

I am saying that I have a real problem with those on the right who would pick and choose who is or is not "worthy" of receiving help based upon their assessment of that persons' moral fitness.

Yes, we all know that single mothers who have multiple children to increase their monthly welfare payments are a drain on the system. But our government does not sanction a specific moral platform, and therefore any decisions regarding the level of assistance that individuals receive from the government should be made purely on the basis of economy.

Anyway, sorry for derailing the conversation... it wasn't my intent but it does happen sometimes.

Back to Hillary.... I've been gone for a couple of hours, has she dropped out of the race yet?

413 Irish Rose  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 12:30:52pm

re: #384 realwest

I'm outta here folks - getting waaaay to pissed off to continue without being banned.
Hope you all have a good day and that I get the chance to see you down the road.

I hear ya.

414 EE  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 12:32:07pm

A snapshot of the electoral college vote today, according to realclearpolitics.com, is that in a race between Obama and McCain, it would be Obama 272 versus McCain 266. That's very close.

But in a race between Hillary and McCain, it would be Hillary 284 versus McCain 254. That's not as close.

In other words, Hillary is a stronger candidate than Obama.

So why should Hillary quit the contest before the delegates actually vote? She is ahead according to the polls, and it is possible that the superdelegates that said that they were supporting Hillary but now say that they will support Obama can change their minds again. And since Obama is a newbie that is totally unvetted, there can be new skeletons that come out of his closet.

There's no vote until there is an actual vote. That happens at the Convention.

415 Irish Rose  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 12:41:17pm

re: #414 EE

And since Obama is a newbie that is totally unvetted, there can be new skeletons that come out of his closet.

And there will be, I strongly suspect.
In spite of Barrys' threat that we should leave his poor little wife alone, or we'll all be sorry.

416 NY Nana  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 12:58:49pm

re: #411 AZDave

You have to ask yourself why would anyone want that big fat lying sack of shit Bill Clinton anywhere near the White House again?

And Shrill can match and beat Bubba when it comes to the Big Lie....and this is an insult to every single hero who has served in our military. It goes waaaay beyond the Pale.

They are both pathological liars.

McCain for President!

417 snowcrash  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 3:08:34pm

Sorry for the OT but I think I'm noticing the filter on the spy comments is different than the regular thread. testwords: shit, Hitler. I am trying to hide the test on a back thread but that will show up on the spy too.


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