AP = Allah's Propaganda.

Agreed

What is 'CDI' mean?

adjusts the ammunition on a motor bike

On the bright side, this looks like a work accident about to happen.

Well hey man, they're just, like, trying to see both sides of the issue, dig it? 'Cause the world is like, shades of gray, not black and white. We should learn to consider alternative points of view.

/

The msm is as big an enemy as the terrorists.

Hm, I have a feeling the AP is in cahoots or something.

So we have pictures of their ammo exchanges and not ours? What's going on?

now that has all the makings of a work accident.

In the darkest days of WW II, the AP headquarters would have been bombed flat and the survivors arrested.

"I can do blindfolded, inshallah!"

- "Careful, Achmed."

BOOM!

/work accident

Well, you could always go to the videotape. That was a Fox News reporter crawling through the smuggling tunnels into Gaza from Egypt - the same smuggling tunnels the reporter says was allowing Hamas and the terrorists to get their weapons and manpower into Gaza to attack Israel.

I saw a story on Fox News where a reporter (of Fox) let smugglers give him a tour of their smuggling tunnels between Gaza and Egypt. I think it's the same guy who filmed Gazans launching rockets at Israel.

Will this photographer feel any sense of guilt when this ammunition ends up killing children and women, or does this idiot think taliban ammo only kills American troops? Disgusting.

And fancy how that keffiyah manages to cover up his face just so... /mr. blackwell

If only this footage was recovered from a bomb crater

re: #12 zmdavid

GMTA

What we don't see is the journalist holding his finger on the knot so Mr. Splodeydope here could tie the bow.
I hope he hit a camelpie 1/2 mile down the road.
SPIT

lets get this straight. Ammo is carried two handed, in a cradle. It is stacked on its side. lol

Does this AP reporter pass this information on to the military? Or just try to convince us to have " an understanding of the terrorist side"?

re: #18 pat

lets get this straight. Ammo is carried two handed, in a cradle. It is stacked on its side. lol

well I don't see ammo pallets and fork trucks

re: #18 pat

lets get this straight. Ammo is carried two handed, in a cradle. It is stacked on its side. lol

It looks as though it is rockets of some kind, or they're using tubes to conceal it.

Taliban tartan?

The taliban and other militant islamists must be laughing their asses off at our media coming willingly to the slaughter of their own civilization.

re: #19 seekeroftruth

Does this AP reporter pass this information on to the military? Or just try to convince us to have " an understanding of the terrorist side"?

Probably the latter.

re: #4 Occasional Reader

On the bright side, this looks like a work accident about to happen.

It IS pretty damn close to that muffler.

Well, the taliban could have taken this photo themselves and e-mailed it in, just saying.

But AP did publish it.

Now that guy's keffiyeh really does look like a tablecloth.

Is he wearing Burberry?

No doubt educated by the British taxpayers

re: #21 Honorary Yooper

It looks as though it is rockets of some kind, or they're using tubes to conceal it.

Thats what I thought at first too. But they are way to small to be RPG reloads.

Not sure what the heck they are. Possibly not even ammo.

Fourth estate, fifth column.

No wonder they all love the Obamanation.

re: #29 JohnnyReb

Thats what I thought at first too. But they are way to small to be RPG reloads.

Not sure what the heck they are. Possibly not even ammo.

"oh yea, they're all peaceful prayer rugs.....yeaaaa"

I've been calling the Mainstream Media "The Enemy" for a while now. Unfortunately, I keep being proven correct on that. Wanna bet the so called journalist actually helped those masked scumbags move their ammo?

Unbelievable!

Charles, I really want you to follow up on this. Was it really an AP-employed photographer? If so, do they promise not to complain if in a similar circumstance in the future a Predator were to happen on the scene and ruin the terrorists' day? If it wasn't a full-time AP photographer, if it was a stringer, what policies and procedures does AP have in place to ensure that they did not pay the taliban itself for this photograph?

The colorful bags rather gave me pause.

re: #24 Honorary Yooper

My thoughts as well. Then the next question - How many American soldiers and Afghani people have died because the reporter didn't pass on information? The media is sick.

And if an Apache zapped the bugger, the photog would have been zapped too.

HEADLINE!

US FORCES KILL JOURNALIST!

re: #31 Hengineer

"oh yea, they're all peaceful prayer rugs.....yeaaaa"

Well remember AP couldnt even tell a live round from a fired bullet? Possibly they were told these were rockets and just beleived the guys.

re: #32 Land Shark

AP might just have gotten the photo as a jpeg in their e-mail and had no stringer actually there. Just sayin'.

OT but speaking of our beloved keffiyah...

Local Fox affiliate in NY was talking about 'summer fashions' today and that came up as a huge summer fashion accessory... They did make mention of the Rachael Ray/DD issue... The 'fashion guru guest' that was on said that it was much ado about nothing and that high fashion is always controversial...

Nice manly pink and silver motorbike. Who customized it, Isacc Mizrahi?

Once President Obama has a little chat with these folks peace will reign once again and brotherly love flourish across the land.

Without dead soldiers, what would the AP have to report on in Afghanistan? Taking these pictures is nothing more than job security for them.

re: #37 JohnnyReb

Well remember AP couldnt even tell a live round from a fired bullet? Possibly they were told these were rockets and just beleived the guys.

Well you remember the shit about the Downed Israeli jet, right?

Not AP, but TIME wrote whatever the hell they wanted, despite the website actually correcting their response, right?

re: #34 Dianna

The colorful bags rather gave me pause.

GMTA.

re: #38 Ojoe

AP might just have gotten the photo as a jpeg in their e-mail and had no stringer actually there. Just sayin'.

That's just as bad - glorifying the acts of a terrorist that will kill innocent people.

re: #45 seekeroftruth

It is just as bad. almost.

How do you think we Israelis feel when Israel's Channel 2 News sends in their Arab TV reporter and crew to broadcast from Gaza interviews with the local RPG toting maked Hamas terrorist cell commanders?

Lord Haw-Haw must be haw-hawing away in his grave these days.

re: #38 Ojoe

AP might just have gotten the photo as a jpeg in their e-mail and had no stringer actually there. Just sayin'.

It is very sloppy and seditious to actually make the photo avaialble for publication...

No wonder the low life terroists are laughing at us...

re: #5 Pawn of the Oppressor

Well hey man, they're just, like, trying to see both sides of the issue, dig it? 'Cause the world is like, shades of gray, not black and white. We should learn to consider alternative points of view.

/

The problem is that they are only considering the "alternative points of view."

Don't you get it? To the media, the Taliban and Al Queda aren't terrorists, they're insurgents or freedom fighters, the good guys. We're the bad guys, the terrorists. You don't need impartiality when you have this mentality.

They have been biased for a long while, not only with what they report, spin and distort, but also what they choose not to report.

re: #3 marge45b

What is 'CDI' mean?

Very interesting find, my dear...Yes, that CDI printing on what appears to be a plastic blanket? found this link...on Center for Defense Information (CDI = communists?) the "Center for Peace" -- yeah, as in murdering U.S. soldiers.

re: #49 JamesTKirk

The problem is that they are only considering the "alternative points of view."

Nah man, we report on US troops... Particularly their movements...

re: #49 JamesTKirk

The problem is that they are only considering the "alternative points of view."

Good point! When was the last time a AP reporter had photos of hard working American soldiers and photos of the successes in Iraq?

re: #32 Land Shark

Wanna bet the so called journalist actually helped those masked scumbags move their ammo?

That would violate union rules and OSHA regs.

As the MSM declines, it increasingly depends on AP wires.

Did they have the name of the photog on those images?

Why don't we just send someone in the neighborhood out
to spread the rumor that the reporters are spies for the
Great Satan? Problem solved.

re: #54 seekeroftruth

Good point! When was the last time a AP reporter had photos of hard working American soldiers and photos of the successes in Iraq?

In the mind of the msm- there are no successes in Iraq.

re: #58 Sharmuta

In the mind of the msm- there are no successes in Iraq.

Which brings us to Charles's headline: The Media is the Enemy.

re: #23 Sharmuta,

The media act as a defacto intelligence service for our enemies. This is in addition to their service to them as a venue for propaganda distribution.

The Media ARE the Enemy

re: #9 Maximu§

In the darkest days of WW II, the AP headquarters would have been bombed flat and the survivors arrested.

Survivors? We don't need no stinking survivors.

If you want to send a letter to the editor of AP, here is their generic email address:

info@ap.org

From this address you can get the name of specific employees and bureaus. You can target your email this way.

If someone knows the name of the photog, that would be most helpful.

re: #57 Mike in Georgia

I'm not liking your idea all that much.

And yet, during the Civil War, people would go out and have picnics and watch the fighting. Just to give us a small amount of perspective. The AP continues to be the Associated (with Terrorists) Press.

Koskid...

Time to tell this Bitch to quit.

Hillary Clinton just won't stop. Last Saturday we all saw how her bitchy supporters yelled out Denver, Denver, Denver, and Let's GO McCain. I have one message to all of them, Fuck You. Here is Barack Obama one of the best candidates in years and she and her asshole supporters are doing everything they can to try to still get the nomination and sabotage Barack Obama.

Progressive!

OT the original sex kitten guilty of saying what every other true frenc citizen thinks but is afraid to say....

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

I find it interesting that there is no international beat or bureau on the webpage.

WHere's the foreign desk?

Also, any news on Steyn?

re: #66 Spider Mensch

OT the original sex kitten guilty of saying what every other true frenc citizen thinks but is afraid to say....

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Brigitte Bardot is married to a top official in the French fascist party National Front, and is a big fan of Holocaust denier Jean-Marie Le Pen. This is not a person who deserves our support.

re: #63 unrealizedviewpoint

What we need is our info people keeping tabs on the reporters.
My comment was somewhat sarcastic. Should have put a sark
tag on it.

re: #64 vxbush

And yet, during the Civil War, people would go out and have picnics and watch the fighting. Just to give us a small amount of perspective. The AP continues to be the Associated (with Terrorists) Press.

That was only at the very beginning of the war. They pretty soon found out it was not entertaining.
In any case, they were not picnicking on the other side.

re: #69 Charles

true to that Charles, but it was still newsworthy I thought.

Any news on Steyn, Charles?

Obviously it would be beneficial to allocate resources to follow this, and other, AP photographers and journalists around until they lead us to viable targets. And, I see no reason to wait until the photographer/journalist has cleared the target area before vaporizing the entire area... no reason what so ever.

re: #69 Charles

Brigitte Bardot is married to a top official in the French fascist party National Front, and is a big fan of Holocaust denier Jean-Marie Le Pen. This is not a person who deserves our support.

did not know that thanks for the intell charles.

The terrorists trust their embeds.

It's not like we didn't know. If the drive-by media is the enemy, the lizard army is the cavalry ...

re: #69 Charles

Brigitte Bardot is married to a top official in the French fascist party National Front, and is a big fan of Holocaust denier Jean-Marie Le Pen. This is not a person who deserves our support.

And she's an animal-rights vegan freak, too. I don't know if she has posed nude for PETA.

Can we question their patriotism?

re: #74 ethanxxx

Obviously it would be beneficial to allocate resources to follow this, and other, AP photographers and journalists around until they lead us to viable targets. And, I see no reason to wait until the photographer/journalist has cleared the target area before vaporizing the entire area... no reason what so ever.

Sorry Mike in Georgia. Comment #63 was premature. Was meant for #74.

re: #79 Alouette

And she's an animal-rights vegan freak, too. I don't know if she has posed nude for PETA.

YIKES ! :O

This comment isn't intended to be sarcastic or arch, I actually don't quite understand the outrage here, so thanks in advance for clueing me in. My understanding of a journalist is to objectively record something (through words and/or pictures) so the audience can see that thing for what it is. Of course, I'm not so naive to think that journalists aren't biased, but theoretically at least, couldn't it be seen as a good thing that we have a fly on the wall reporting what is happening with our enemy? This assumes that the photographer is not directly aiding or abetting the operation, which I don't see proof of here. Also, the photographs themselves don't seem to celebrating the operation, just recording it.

With all the clashing colors this guy is in serious need of a makeover.

Calling Queer Eye for the Terrorist Guy.

Why are they the enemy? I find that Charles often links to these same sources (the AP, Reuters, name-a-newspaper) often via another Web site as a way to back up many of his arguments about foreign policy, terrorist groups and so forth.

Here he is offended, I'm guessing, because the AP was clearly close to the Taliban, whom the United States considers an enemy. Yet it is often this kind of on-the-ground reporting that Charles relies on in his posts.

maybe the stuff in the shipping tubes are 82/88mm mortar rounds? RPG warheads would have a larger diameter.

re: #76 rusty_armor

WTF?

re: #84 Opinionated

With all the clashing colors this guy is in serious need of a makeover.

Calling Queer Eye for the Terrorist Guy.

Clashing? The ecru in the scarf picks up the ecru of the robe thingy quite well.

re: #76 rusty_armor

An inconspicuous GPS transponder would be fine.

Wouldn't hurt to encode the GPS onto the pictures, in fact.

In fact, hmm, ...

re: #76 rusty_armor

Actually, if your aim is to silence dissent and keep the media loyal to the U.S. government, you could probably look at what some other governments are doing:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

re: #85 justiceforall

re: #83 pleaseandthankyou

Wow. This is gonna maybe be fun. If Justice for all stays around this time.

re: #65 NJDhockeyfan

Koskid...

Time to tell this Bitch to quit.

Progressive!

I'm having difficulty processing "best candidate in years". As words they make sense, but in the context I've got nothing.

re: #85 justiceforall

AP & Reuters are not reporting the facts on the ground. They are reporting one side only. If they report on the"other side" ( us ) , it is always negative. Most of us here, don't rely on these media groups for facts. There are good journalist out there - Michael Trotten, Michael Yon, etc.... as well as the US military and local blogs to get real information on what is happening on the ground.

Nothing new under the sun.

Mike Wallace proclaimed that if he were traveling with enemy soldiers he would not warn U.S. soldiers of an impending ambush. “Don't you have a higher duty as an American citizen to do all you can to save the lives of soldiers rather than this journalistic ethic of reporting fact?", moderator Charles Ogletree Jr. suggested. Without hesitating, Wallace responded: "No, you don't have higher duty...you're a reporter."

re: #92 Mars Needs Neocons

I'm having difficulty processing "best candidate in years". As words they make sense, but in the context I've got nothing.

Obamessiah or The Goracle

Tough choice for "best candidate in years".

/

About the only positive thing about the AP Pictures is that they document that the the terrorists are scraping the bottom of the barrel. They are forced to to use motorbikes as ammunition freighters and that is several steps below the use of ambulances for the same purpose. Perhaps the AP can come up with some pictures of the terrorists using skateboards as ambulances. That would be truly amusing.
The fox news pics of the pali tunnels documents that situation also and it should not come as a surprise to anyone when something is done about them.

[Link: www.thestar.com...]

Cobourg students rally for Khadr

OT

Upon clicking avatar for Lizard info I see a indication of logged-on status is noted. Nice!

re: #93 seekeroftruth

Okay. But I've been reading this site for a long time. And Charles DOES use reports from these agencies when the facts in the stories support his arguments about terrorism, Islam, U.S. foreign policy, the 2008 presidential election.

He believes that these agencies are biased in their reporter. Well, Charles, like everyone else, is entitled to his opinion. That said, as a right-wing commentator, it is probably not to his advantage to paint these agencies as "always wrong--factually and morally" when he has in the past, and I assume will in the future, use them to his editorial advantage.

re: #85 justiceforall

Why are they the enemy?

Oh, gee, I don't know, maybe because they are embedding with terrorists who KILL OUR TROOPS?

re: #99 unrealizedviewpoint

OT

Upon clicking avatar for Lizard info I see a indication of logged-on status is noted. Nice!

Lurkers beware.

re: #88 MandyManners

Clashing? The ecru in the scarf picks up the ecru of the robe thingy quite well.

What will the virgins thinks if he martyrs himself carrying ammunition in that garish bag?

re: #83 pleaseandthankyou

This comment isn't intended to be sarcastic or arch, I actually don't quite understand the outrage here, so thanks in advance for clueing me in. My understanding of a journalist is to objectively record something (through words and/or pictures) so the audience can see that thing for what it is. Of course, I'm not so naive to think that journalists aren't biased, but theoretically at least, couldn't it be seen as a good thing that we have a fly on the wall reporting what is happening with our enemy? This assumes that the photographer is not directly aiding or abetting the operation, which I don't see proof of here. Also, the photographs themselves don't seem to celebrating the operation, just recording it.

When the stories become sympathetic to the terrorists and bring support, they cross the "lines". There are clearly defined good and bad guys! To get close to them like that, they would pretty much have to trust that the reporter will not rat them out. Look how they covered Abu Graib but nary a peep of the real atrocities (beheadings, stonings, honor killings, bombings) committed nearly daily by the other side. Notice the language they use. He is a "militant". even though those munitions will probably used against the civilian population in Afghanistan. One side can drag people out in the middle of the night and behead them and still be called "militants", "insurgents", and freedom fighters" by the press. We are losing the propaganda war by these "unbiased" reporters skewing the truth of what is happening on the ground. Where are the stories about the good stuff? I'm sure that reporter could find a water well being dug or some little girls going to their new school? Nope, he found a Taliban "militant" in the middle of the night bringing death to some little girls that may be going to their new school.

JusticeForAll finds Charles' offense offensive.

(Pssssst, hey Justice, what about all those questions you ducked on other threads?)

re: #94 jcm

Nothing new under the sun.

That's utter bullshit. I remember one DV case I was covering. The victim's husband had fractured some cervical vertebrae and she was laid up in the hospital in a very fragile state. I learned that the husband had claimed that he was going there to finish the job. (He already had bonded out of jail.) I called around and got it confirmed then called my editor to tell him that I was about to call the hospital and the PD to let them know what was going on. He had no problem with it.

re: #100 justiceforall

Okay. But I've been reading this site for a long time. And Charles DOES use reports from these agencies when the facts in the stories support his arguments about terrorism, Islam, U.S. foreign policy, the 2008 presidential election.

He believes that these agencies are biased in their reporter. Well, Charles, like everyone else, is entitled to his opinion. That said, as a right-wing commentator, it is probably not to his advantage to paint these agencies as "always wrong--factually and morally" when he has in the past, and I assume will in the future, use them to his editorial advantage.

Go piss up a rope, you fucking moron. This is not a right-wing site.

Go back to your Cheetos and Vault.

re: #106 TalkinKamel

JusticeForAll finds Charles' offense offensive.

(Pssssst, hey Justice, what about all those questions you ducked on other threads?)

He had to leave.
/

I did jury duty this morning. Was actually called into the jury box but got excused. Close call!

The MSM has become disgraceful and traitorous. Good thing we have the internet.

re: #104 Opinionated

What will the virgins thinks if he martyrs himself carrying ammunition in that garish bag?

Well, the ecru is a neutral so, the bag would be acceptable even with the addition of the scarf's plaid.

re: #113 Alouette

I did jury duty this morning. Was actually called into the jury box but got excused. Close call!

What was the case about?

re: #85 justiceforall

Why shouldn't we be offended? That ammo is going to be used to kill Americans, our allies, and innocent men, women and children by a gang of thugs. The taliban is actively engaged in denying the Afghani peoples' right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness- meanwhile this photographer is thinking they'll just take some pictures and collect a paycheck. It's morally reprehensible.

What would you think if some photographer snapped a few pics of a serial killer preparing his killing spree? Would you just chalk that up as, "hey- we got some guy on the ground reporting these facts"? Get a clue.

re: #100 justiceforall

I see you are into ornithology, at least to the extent that you strut your plumage.

The more things change.....

Walter Cronkite on the Tet Offensive

"Report from Vietnam," Walter Cronkite Broadcast, February 27, 1968.

Tonight, back in more familiar surroundings in New York, we'd like to sum up our findings in Vietnam, an analysis that must be speculative, personal, subjective. Who won and who lost in the great Tet offensive against the cities? I'm not sure. The Vietcong did not win by a knockout, but neither did we. The referees of history may make it a draw. Another standoff may be coming in the big battles expected south of the Demilitarized Zone. Khesanh could well fall, with a terrible loss in American lives, prestige and morale, and this is a tragedy of our stubbornness there; but the bastion no longer is a key to the rest of the northern regions, and it is doubtful that the American forces can be defeated across the breadth of the DMZ with any substantial loss of ground. Another standoff. On the political front, past performance gives no confidence that the Vietnamese government can cope with its problems, now compounded by the attack on the cities. It may not fall, it may hold on, but it probably won't show the dynamic qualities demanded of this young nation. Another standoff.

We have been too often disappointed by the optimism of the American leaders, both in Vietnam and Washington, to have faith any longer in the silver linings they find in the darkest clouds. They may be right, that Hanoi's winter-spring offensive has been forced by the Communist realization that they could not win the longer war of attrition, and that the Communists hope that any success in the offensive will improve their position for eventual negotiations. It would improve their position, and it would also require our realization, that we should have had all along, that any negotiations must be that-negotiations, not the dictation of peace terms. For it seems now more certain than ever that the bloody experience of Vietnam is to end in a stalemate. This summer's almost certain standoff will either end in real give-and-take negotiations or terrible escalation; and for every means we have to escalate, the enemy can match us, and that applies to invasion of the North, the use of nuclear weapons, or the mere commitment of one hundred, or two hundred, or three hundred thousand more American troops to the battle. And with each escalation, the world comes closer to the brink of cosmic disaster.

To say that we are closer to victory today is to believe, in the face of the evidence, the optimists who have been wrong in the past. To suggest we are on the edge of defeat is to yield to unreasonable pessimism. To say that we are mired in stalemate seems the only realistic, yet unsatisfactory, conclusion. On the off chance that military and political analysts are right, in the next few months we must test the enemy's intentions, in case this is indeed his last big gasp before negotiations. But it is increasingly clear to this reporter that the only rational way out then will be to negotiate, not as victors, but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy, and did the best they could.

This is Walter Cronkite. Good night.

The Tet Offensive was a disaster for the NVA, but a propaganda goldmine thanks to the likes of Witless Crankcase.

re: #83 pleaseandthankyou

Should reporters be so thoroughly embedded with an enemy in war?

Suppose you were a reporter investigating a gang or the Mafia and were "embedded" in the group. And suppose the group planned and step by step carried out a mass murder. Should you be "objective" and record the process of the crime with your camera all the way to the inevitable sensational pictures of the dead bodies? At what point do you disengage and call the cops? At what point do you become moral implicated in the crime?

Notice that in the case of a gang, the only way you could be "embedded" would be for you to work undercover. The criminals would not let an outsider in to observe. In the case of the Afghan war, you are not undercover. You are allowed to observe. CUI BONO? Who benefits?
Here you not only have to ask at what point you should alert the US forces, but you have to ask why the enemy wants you there. Are you serving them with your pictures? Are you therefore an accessory?

re: #113 Alouette

I did jury duty this morning. Was actually called into the jury box but got excused. Close call!

I just dart my eyes quickly and repeatedly right to left, muttering guilty guilty. Usually works.

re: #111 MandyManners

Deep breathes.

Maybe it's time to plant a GPS transmitter on every AP journalist in Afghanistan and Iraq.

re: #94 jcm

I wonder if they thought about a follow up question: "What if you were embedded with an insurgent cell preparing to detonate a car bomb in a crowded marketplace?" If the answer changes, it's not a question of impartiality and the "higher duty" BS of being a reporter.

"duty as a reporter" sounds like an excuse to avoid making moral decisions.

The islamist/marxist alliance marches on.

re: #100 justiceforall

I can speak for me - the first thing I look for in an AP report is who wrote it. By now, I know which writer is writes out right lies and which of the very few write an honest account. The media forgets that we can watch a speech on You tube or read a transcript. So when they write liying accounts, we can see it clearly. If you watch what the AP and Reuters is writing and what they are leaving out - the bias is extreme. And again - around here - Ap & Reuters are NOT trusted sources for anything.

re: #34 Dianna

The colorful bags rather gave me pause.

A lovely gift from Code Pink, no doubt.

re: #117 Sharmuta

"Why shouldn't we be offended? That ammo is going to be used to kill Americans, our allies, and innocent men, women and children by a gang of thugs. The taliban is actively engaged in denying the Afghani peoples' right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness- meanwhile this photographer is thinking they'll just take some pictures and collect a paycheck. It's morally reprehensible."

I think you sort of make my point for me here. There IS value in this kind of reporting. We are seeing first hand just how awful the Taliban are (kind of reminds me trying to tell someone who didn't know much about them how many human rights they violated sometime on Sept. 10, 2001).

re: #122 justiceforall

Deep breathes.

Huh?

Weren't you the one taking another Lizard to task yesterday for a grammatical error?

Perfect summary of their mentality!

re: #5 Pawn of the Oppressor

Well hey man, they're just, like, trying to see both sides of the issue, dig it? 'Cause the world is like, shades of gray, not black and white. We should learn to consider alternative points of view.

/

re: #129 justiceforall

I didn't need this photograph to tell me how awful the taliban was and is, idiot. Read what they did to Afghanistan from actual Afghanis. No msm photographers needed.

re: #101 Alouette

And proving the facts that sustain your arguments...

Looks like a piece like this does more to help your points about the War on Terror than work against them.

Our troops will eventually kill this vermin mongrel, and maybe, just maybe, the "reporter" will be right there with the vermin.

Charles, I can see logged in status in user profile on IE7. I thought it was just going to be available for Safari and Firefox users. Thanks.

re: #85 justiceforall

Look at the picture. The picture shows a Taliban insurgent transferring explosives. Look at the Pink (plastic?) Blanket. What are the initials? It's CDI. Why English in Afghanistan? (CDI is a Communist organization, most prominent back in the 70-80s, known as an anti-defense "defense" organization. The CDI also routinely advises CNN, and claims to have "experts." they are an ultra left-wing supposedly "pro peace" organization, but in reality they are supporting America's enemies. They are similar to Code Pink, International Solidarity, etc. Might want to look up Horowitz -- former member of CDI).

re: #129 justiceforall

Try the quote button next time. This ain't no antiquated blog.

re: #129 justiceforall

And fuck you- they violated the rights of Afghanis long before September 10, 2001.

re: #133 song_and_dance_man

Then you wouldn't be an independent reporter. You would be an operative of the U.S. government. Not that being that is a bad thing. But it is a distinction. Or perhaps, do you think, that there should be more state control on our media so that reporters fall more in line with the interests of the U.S. government?

re: #135 republic

Our troops will eventually kill this vermin mongrel, and maybe, just maybe, the "reporter" will be right there with the vermin.

No shortage of reporters, so works for me.

re: #94 jcm

Nothing new under the sun.

Scumbag.

re: #139 Sharmuta

Um...I'm aware of that. So it was a problem that I had been advocating the rights of Afghan citizens on that particular day? Calm down.

The more things change.....

NBC fired journalist Peter Arnett on Monday, saying it was wrong for him to give an interview with state-run Iraqi TV in which he said the American-led coalition's initial plan for the war had failed because of Iraq's resistance. Arnett called the interview a "misjudgment" and apologized.

We won't mention "Baby Milk Factory."

re: #136 snowcrash

Charles, I can see logged in status in user profile on IE7. I thought it was just going to be available for Safari and Firefox users. Thanks.

Yesssssssssssssss!

Thank you, Charles!

re: #124 bianchi_roadie

I wonder if they thought about a follow up question: "What if you were embedded with an insurgent cell preparing to detonate a car bomb in a crowded marketplace?" If the answer changes, it's not a question of impartiality and the "higher duty" BS of being a reporter.

"duty as a reporter" sounds like an excuse to avoid making moral decisions.

It evidently elevates you to a superhuman, quasi-divine position. Like the gods of Olympus, you are above the need to be moral.

re: #120 wolfie

Thanks Wolfie for good points for me to think about. (It's nice to get a civil answer to an honest question, rather than what MandyManners dished out to justiceforall)

re: #137 J.S.

Look at the picture. The picture shows a Taliban insurgent transferring explosives. Look at the Pink (plastic?) Blanket. What are the initials? It's CDI. Why English in Afghanistan? (CDI is a Communist organization, most prominent back in the 70-80s, known as an anti-defense "defense" organization. The CDI also routinely advises CNN, and claims to have "experts." they are an ultra left-wing supposedly "pro peace" organization, but in reality they are supporting America's enemies. They are similar to Code Pink, International Solidarity, etc. Might want to look up Horowitz -- former member of CDI).

If what you say is true, why can't CDI be charged with aiding terrorists, if it's proven that they have indeed given support to them?

re: #144 jcm

That story is a moldy oldie.

re: #111 MandyManners

Go piss up a rope, you fucking moron. This is not a right-wing site.

Go back to your Cheetos and Vault.

Not sure I like Nodrog's new persona, this one is insufferably smug.

re: #132 Sharmuta

Maybe they didn't need to convince you in particular. But there is no harm in educating the rest of America about this group.

If it weren't for the MSM, the jihadist wouldn't have a limited voice. Thankfully the MSM looks after the oppressed and downtrodden.

//sarc

re: #140 justiceforall

Then you wouldn't be an independent reporter. You would be an operative of the U.S. government. Not that being that is a bad thing. But it is a distinction. Or perhaps, do you think, that there should be more state control on our media so that reporters fall more in line with the interests of the U.S. government?

STRAW MAN!

re: #10 Ward Cleaver

"I can do blindfolded, inshallah!"

- "Careful, Achmed."

BOOM!

/work accident

It was the will of Allah.

re: #39 tfc3rid
When is it a scarf and when a terrorist statement?

re: #148 republic,

Same basic reason we haven't charged Dick Durbin with treason for his, well, treasonous statements. We don't do that anymore.

That is the only reason some of these people and organizations haven't been charged.

re: #151 justiceforall

Well then- you'll forgive Charles if he educates the rest of America in who the media spends their time with.

re: #147 pleaseandthankyou

Thanks Wolfie for good points for me to think about. (It's nice to get a civil answer to an honest question, rather than what MandyManners dished out to justiceforall)

What I posted to that numbnuts was not meant for you. There is the GAZE function, dontcha' know!

re: #94 jcm

Nothing new under the sun.

re: #119 jcm

The more things change.....

re: #144 jcm

The more things change.....

The question I have for the media is:
Are you the Tiger or the Hyena when playing with terrorists?

re: #156 newsjunkie_ky

When is it a scarf and when a terrorist statement?

Depends if the leftist tool understands what they're wearing.

re: #137 J.S.

Thank You J.S. I knew CDI was ringing some bells in my head. You're exactly right. And... God Bless David Horowitz.

re: #140 justiceforall

Then you wouldn't be an independent reporter. You would be an operative of the U.S. government. Not that being that is a bad thing. But it is a distinction. Or perhaps, do you think, that there should be more state control on our media so that reporters fall more in line with the interests of the U.S. government?

Gosh that's stupid. Neutrality in the face of evil. I think that people here are suggesting that reporters should stop traveling about with terrorists or our enemies. I don't recall American reporters hanging with the SS.

re: #150 Mars Needs Neocons

Not sure I like Nodrog's new persona, this one is insufferably smug.

You think it's Nodrog?

re: #153 MandyManners

Fair call, except I was expecting this person to say that there was more value to independent journalists rather than news agencies, which is a more interesting point, the only problem becing that agencies actually have the funds for travel and so forth, while independents usually don't.

re: #140 justiceforall

Then you wouldn't be an independent reporter. You would be an operative of the U.S. government. Not that being that is a bad thing. But it is a distinction. Or perhaps, do you think, that there should be more state control on our media so that reporters fall more in line with the interests of the U.S. government?

They are independent now? They are allowed to be with the Taliban because the Taliban TRUSTS THEM! You don't just go ask around for the Taliban and kindly inquire when they will be smuggling arms next so you can get a few quick photos. This shows a relationship that is more than being "impartial".

re: #129 justiceforall

There is NOT value for the reporter to be there hanging out with the terrorist. It adds nothing to the knowledge base. What SHOULD be reporter by the reporter is what the taliban has done - the killing of innocent people, the destruction of the Afghani way of life, the good things that our military has done to get girls in school, rebuilding what the Taliban destroyed, and keeping the innocent Afghani's safe.

re: #129 justiceforall

We see pictures of the aftermath of those rockets explosions all the time with soldiers and civilians killed alike. Why do we need these pictures of the rockets being "prepared" ?
What message does that send in a hidden way? They are being treated like an organized and legitimate army - and they are not.
I don't actually see how establishing such ties with terrorists and publishing their propaganda can show how awful they are. This only show how awful the media are !

re: #157 Iron Fist

Dick Durbin (D) IL... The other Illinois Senator. Bleh

Charles!

Is it a bug that I have to log off then on again to use the spy feature?

re: #129 justiceforall

HEY! You sound like an enabler to me... But I haven't made LizardFirstClass yet, so don't take my word for it.

(works up some spit)

re: #166 Fasternu426

Absolutely.

re: #140 justiceforall,

During the Second World War, American reporters weren't out doing stories on the valor of the Waffen SS. They were doing stories on the valor of US soldiers. Why is this war different?

Because the media, as a whole, has chosen a different side.

Fox is saying Obama has clinched the delegates he needs.

re: #147 pleaseandthankyou

Thanks Wolfie for good points for me to think about. (It's nice to get a civil answer to an honest question, rather than what MandyManners dished out to justiceforall)

Actually we all know justiceforall and it's not really a big deal to us. You however are asking (it seems) an honest question and not trying weasel games.

re: #147 pleaseandthankyou

Thanks Wolfie for good points for me to think about. (It's nice to get a civil answer to an honest question, rather than what MandyManners dished out to justiceforall)

With 44 posts you don't have a clue. There's a history involved.

re: #148 republic

One would need to provide a causal linkage -- probably too complicated. Meanwhile their minions are free to run about and spread pro-terrorist propaganda. (a platoon commander in Afghanistan, a Canadian, was ambushed and killed today.)

The Media is the Enemy

Why, Bill Clinton was right.

re: #140 justiceforall

Then you wouldn't be an independent reporter. You would be an operative of the U.S. government. Not that being that is a bad thing. But it is a distinction. Or perhaps, do you think, that there should be more state control on our media so that reporters fall more in line with the interests of the U.S. government?

We are in a war for our very lives, this vermin and those who think like him, want you and I dead, as well as all of the West and Israel.

The "reporter" is aiding those who want you and I dead.

This "reporter" as well as the "media" who publishes this very picture, are lending legitimacy to their cause of pure Evil.

There is nothing legitimate about islamofascist human butchers.

re: #168 Abu Lahab

We see pictures of the aftermath of those rockets explosions all the time with soldiers and civilians killed alike.

And it's those pictures that show how truly awful the taliban is- not the preparations for the attacks, but the aftermath.

re: #119 jcm

Analysis showing how wrong Walter was.
Khe Sanh
Giap's losses were severe, with some 15,000 killed, compared to 205 Marine deaths and 500 total US fatalities.

In the end, Westmoreland was correct: US airpower (which operated for part of the time under centralized USAF control) had turned the siege of Khe Sanh into a clear American victory. Giap had made two basic mistakes. First, he had underestimated the effectiveness of US airpower and determination of the American military to break the siege. Second, the forces he had allowed to be decimated around Khe Sanh could have been employed to far greater advantage in support of the Tet offensive, which proved to be an unmitigated military disaster for the Communists, who suffered an estimated 45,000 casualties.

Unfortunately for the United States, Khe Sanh and Tet inexplicably were perceived by press and the public to be defeats. For weeks, journalists and commentators had warned of the certainty that Khe Sanh would turn out to be another Dien Bien Phu style defeat for a Western military force. When the victory was won, however, accounts of the battle faded out of the headlines and television reports. Tet was broadly construed by the media as an overwhelming defeat for US forces, ostensibly because it showed the potency of Communist forces even after four years of direct American military involvement in Vietnam.

re: #174 imtoast

Fox is saying Obama has clinched the delegates he needs.

Ugh.

re: #27 Ringo the Gringo

Now that guy's keffiyeh really does look like a tablecloth.

It might even have some old bacon grease on it.

/haraam

re: #182 Lively

Ugh.

Still alot can happen between now and Denver.

If ever a work mishap was needed it was then two birds one bomb.

re: #117 Sharmuta

Why shouldn't we be offended? That ammo is going to be used to kill Americans, our allies, and innocent men, women and children by a gang of thugs. The taliban is actively engaged in denying the Afghani peoples' right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness- meanwhile this photographer is thinking they'll just take some pictures and collect a paycheck. It's morally reprehensible.

What would you think if some photographer snapped a few pics of a serial killer preparing his killing spree? Would you just chalk that up as, "hey- we got some guy on the ground reporting these facts"? Get a clue.

Amen, sister!

re: #164 MandyManners

You think it's Nodrog?

Not really, Justice is way more coherent and has some good arguments occasionally. His smug demeanor pisses me off though.

re: #151 justiceforall

Maybe they didn't need to convince you in particular. But there is no harm in educating the rest of America about this group.

They are lending legitimacy to a group who wants you and I dead, and who are sworn to getting that job done.

The press is not "educating the rest of America", they are trying to lend some kind of moral equivelancy with these vermin.

re: #166 Fasternu426

They are independent now? They are allowed to be with the Taliban because the Taliban TRUSTS THEM! You don't just go ask around for the Taliban and kindly inquire when they will be smuggling arms next so you can get a few quick photos. This shows a relationship that is more than being "impartial".

BINGO !

And Bilal Hussein is innocent.

Notice the photos have no attribution to a photographer, just to prevent any more Bilal's.

re: #164 MandyManners

You think it's Nodrog?

It might be, but I doubt it. There's too much stupid in the world to be contained w/in the head and hands of the Nodrog.

re: #181 X-ray

Our friend USMC1968 was there, managed to wrinkle that out of him late one night. I see the words "Khe Sanh" and I see one of the top events in our Military's history.

OT but you gotta love (not really) Hillary.

The former first lady was not ready to formally suspend or end her race in a speech Tuesday night in New York City. But if Obama get to the magic number of delegates, 2,118, she was prepared to acknowledge that milestone, according to aides who declined to be identified.

So if the reality shared by everyday people confirms that she lost, she is prepared to acknowledge this lower person understanding of fact and concur that it conforms to an accepted sense of what the f is actually happening on planet earth. Thanks Hillary. Meanwhile Bill says that it may be his last days campaigning. Thanks Bill. Apres toi le deluge, is that it? Thought there might be a general campaign to take part in for your party, but I guess that is not important.

re: #188 Mars Needs Neocons

Not really, Justice is way more coherent and has some good arguments occasionally. His smug demeanor pisses me off though.

And there's another like him, "JustMyView", IIRC.

re: #180 Sharmuta

Exactly! And if those pictures of mutilated bodies,beheaded innocent people, and abused women and children are not enough to convince the "public opinion" of how awful the Taliban are; I wonder how a few rockets piled on motorbike will do that!

re: #117 Sharmuta

Why shouldn't we be offended? That ammo is going to be used to kill Americans, our allies, and innocent men, women and children by a gang of thugs. The taliban is actively engaged in denying the Afghani peoples' right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness- meanwhile this photographer is thinking they'll just take some pictures and collect a paycheck. It's morally reprehensible.

What would you think if some photographer snapped a few pics of a serial killer preparing his killing spree? Would you just chalk that up as, "hey- we got some guy on the ground reporting these facts"? Get a clue.

You're asking him to distinguish good from evil, which is a tall order for a liberal.

re: #156 newsjunkie_ky

When is it a scarf and when a terrorist statement?

When it looks fabulous on you, it's a scarf...

re: #85 justiceforall

Justice,
those chaps kill British troops. Bet that puts a smile on your face.

/Referring to a previous thread

re: #181 X-ray

For weeks, journalists and commentators had warned of the certainty that Khe Sanh would turn out to be another Dien Bien Phu style defeat for a Western military force.

This is all we heard from home whilst we were busy kicking ass and not bothering with the name-taking. We could not understand how the public was getting the impression they were getting when our eyes and ears were telling us a different story. A LOT of us began to question just what we were doing there, but instead, we all turned to fighting for each other, because it's all we had left.

re: #184 Ward Cleaver

It might even have some old bacon grease on it.

/haraam

And some bits of old waffle with maple syrup.

re: #174 imtoast

Fox is saying Obama has clinched the delegates he needs.

Real Clear Politics
Democrats Obama Clinton
Total Delegates 2,076 1,917
Super Delegates 336 292
Pledged Delegates 1,740 1,625
Popular Vote 17,389,253 17,364,667
Popular Vote (w/MI) 17,389,253 17,692,976

2118 needed.

re: #189 republic

The press is not "educating the rest of America", they are trying to lend some kind of moral equivelancy with these vermin.

If they wanted to educate America about the horrors of militant islam, I'd be all for it.

Instead, what they're doing is directing their narrative of "America bad, militants good". They're not educating us about the atrocities committed by the taliban- not in the slightest. What they are doing is kissing up to the very people who will turn around and slit their throat.

re: #189 republic

I think you need to change this

"The press is not "educating the rest of America", they are trying to lend some kind of moral equivelancy with these vermin."

To "I BELIEVE THAT the press is not "educating the rest of America", they are trying to lend some kind of moral equivelancy with these vermin."

re: #195 Honorary Yooper,

Not to mention the Original Shrieking Banshee, View from Ireland. JustMyView is so similar.

re: #197 Ward Cleaver

You're asking him to distinguish good from evil, which is a tall order for a liberal.

It's not a tall order, it is impossible.

The left coined the belief,

"Evil is the victim of Good."

re: #199 Chaz

No, it doesn't.

re: #197 Ward Cleaver

You're asking him to distinguish good from evil, which is a tall order for a liberal.

I know.... sigh. That's because, to a liberal, evil is the victim of Good.

re: #206 republic

I thought I did!

re: #188 Mars Needs Neocons

Not really, Justice is way more coherent and has some good arguments occasionally. His smug demeanor pisses me off though.

I'm wondering if taxfreekiller was suggesting that it is Cog's sock. If so, I'm wondering if he's right.

#100 justiceforall

“Okay. But I've been reading this site for a long time. And Charles DOES use reports from these agencies when the facts in the stories support his arguments about terrorism, Islam, U.S. foreign policy, the 2008 presidential election.”

Congratulations. Many people use these agencies as sources. If these agencies can’t stand to be criticized and exposed as biased and excessively frequently wrong on major issues, they should seek another line of work.

“He believes that these agencies are biased in their reporter. ”

He’s not alone.

One only has to look at the reporting on BHO’s history (20 years of TUCC racist hate, and the MSM yawns about it; but a white candidate would have been repeatedly crucified for simply attending one such meeting).

Then there’s the Iraq coverage: plenty about US casualties, plenty of incompetent pontifications about how the US was/is losing. Now that the surge has worked; nothing.

Why? What about The Truth? (The MSM and their ill-educated and unqualified pundits and editors were simply and factually wrong. Further, they try to hide this).

“Well, Charles, like everyone else, is entitled to his opinion. That said, as a right-wing commentator, it is probably not to his advantage to paint these agencies as "always wrong--factually and morally" when he has in the past, and I assume will in the future, use them to his editorial advantage. ”

I’m not sure “these agencies are being painted as “always wrong--factually and morally” ”, but looking at their batting averages on major issues, they’re wrong more than half the time, maybe even ¾ of the time.

#129 justiceforall

Compare

the actions of the reporter in question (and others like him), who hide the identities, location and plans of the terrorists,

with

the actions of Gerald Rivers and his map in the sand,

or

the NYT publishing details of US efforts to catch Islamic Terrorist moneymen.

Do you see the clear difference in behavior, attitude, policy, actions and reporting?

re: #202 jcm

Real Clear Politics
Democrats Obama Clinton
Total Delegates 2,076 1,917
Super Delegates 336 292
Pledged Delegates 1,740 1,625
Popular Vote 17,389,253 17,364,667
Popular Vote (w/MI) 17,389,253 17,692,976

2118 needed.

Oh I know. However, Fox did say that Obama has the delegates he needs. I'm just repeating what they said. I haven't a clue how they can come to that conclusion, but there it is.

re: #192 Honorary Yooper

It might be, but I doubt it. There's too much stupid in the world to be contained w/in the head and hands of the Nodrog.

Wonder if Nodgrog is still up to documenting the past slights on LGF.

re: #204 justiceforall

I think you need to change this

"The press is not "educating the rest of America", they are trying to lend some kind of moral equivelancy with these vermin."

To "I BELIEVE THAT the press is not "educating the rest of America", they are trying to lend some kind of moral equivelancy with these vermin."

When they take sides, they ARE trying to lend some sort of moral equivalency to justify their taking sides.

There is no belief when you state a fact.

Yet another CBC'er moves to al jazeera:

[Link: www.insidethecbc.com...]

re: #1 Intrepid

That's as silly as saying, LGF=Late German Fascists.

re: #210 MandyManners

I'm wondering if taxfreekiller was suggesting that it is Cog's sock. If so, I'm wondering if he's right.

Doesn't sound like Cognito to me at all. The tone is very different.

re: #204 justiceforall

I think you need to change this

"The press is not "educating the rest of America", they are trying to lend some kind of moral equivelancy with these vermin."

To "I BELIEVE THAT the press is not "educating the rest of America", they are trying to lend some kind of moral equivelancy with these vermin."

I have confidence in my common sense, and the ability to distinguish between Good and evil.

re: #213 MandyManners

Wonder if Nodgrog is still up to documenting the past slights on LGF.

It's been so long since I last looked. I'll have to see how far he's gotten.

I suspect this is actually from the Pajhwok News Agency, and likely picked up by the Associated Press.

I'm curious to know the context of the photo; it matters a great deal to me whether it was taken in public -- there are places in Afghanistan where the Taliban operates openly, even setting up their own court -- or whether it was taken in some hidden place, in collaboration with the Taliban.

One of them is legitimate journalism, I think, and one is not.

I understand Hillary will concede in 2010

re: #189 republic

They are trying to picture them as "warriors", the same they tried to picture them as POW when they were taken to Guantanamo.
How lucky those terrorist are when they have entire news agencies whitewashing them for free, or not totally for free, but for a few pictures.

re: #212 imtoast

That's why I checked RCP, we'll keep on eye on the count. It may affect HRC announcement, unless she has a ace up her sleeve.

re: #207 justiceforall

Thank you for that.

re: #221 madisonsfriend

I understand Hillary will concede in 2010

Her marriage?

re: #216 justiceforall

That's as silly as saying, LGF=Late German Fascists.

There's way more evidence of the AP's complicity with terrorists, Bilal Hussein being one example.

re: #211 Arbalest

Thanks for your response. A lot of what you said makes sense, it is just that still, I can't really accept Charles' outrage about these organizations when he also relies on them for make his arguments.

Journalists, by nature of their profession, tend to actually believe that it is possible to convince people with words, which is a lovely secular sentiment I like to share. But they have no clue that there are people in the world that only care about what they think God told them to do in the only words that matter to them.

Hanging out at the Foreign Press club in Tokyo, and I am sure elsewhere, is like being in a cult devoted to cosmopolitainism where everything and everyone and every culture is the same and good and only needs talking to and writing at to reveal this universal truth. All hell breaks loose when you tell a reporter there that the only culture that will back up that kind of thinking and most modern thought with an army is the West led by America.

re: #195 Honorary Yooper

And there's another like him, "JustMyView", IIRC.

Some similarities.

re: #225 Nevergiveup

Her marriage?

That might happen sooner.

re: #216 justiceforall

That's as silly as saying, LGF=Late German Fascists.

False analogy, ice. False analogy.

Believe me I understand the ethical conundrum about knowing of an impending attack and not giving warning, particularly if it's an American reporter and the attack will be on American soldiers, or innocent children etc. That said, let me present a hypothetic question. Let's say you go to an American general and say you can get a photographer into the Taliban camps to take pictures of secret operations and post them on the internet, but the catch is that he cannot warn the troops of an attack. Would the general agree to it?

re: #227 justiceforall

Thanks for your response. A lot of what you said makes sense, it is just that still, I can't really accept Charles' outrage about these organizations when he also relies on them for make his arguments.

It's Bungholewallla!

I knew it!

Booya, you have been outed!

And as for "The Media are the Enemy," Charles, that's untrue to the point of risibility.

I'm just curious: Do you really, truly, feel the media are the enemy? Do you literally feel that Americans should take up arms against all people who work in television, radio, newspapers, magazines, news services and online outlets?

Somehow I doubt it.

re: #74 ethanxxx

Obviously it would be beneficial to allocate resources to follow this, and other, AP photographers and journalists around until they lead us to viable targets. And, I see no reason to wait until the photographer/journalist has cleared the target area before vaporizing the entire area... no reason what so ever.

Here's a reason - get the co-ords of where the journalist has been, but keep 'em alive so they can scurry to the next potential target...

JAFLW

re: #234 Cognito

And as for "The Media are the Enemy," Charles, that's untrue to the point of risibility.

I'm just curious: Do you really, truly, feel the media are the enemy? Do you literally feel that Americans should take up arms against all people who work in television, radio, newspapers, magazines, news services and online outlets?

Somehow I doubt it.

In this photo, the media ARE the enemy.

It's known as "objective reality."

re: #234 Cognito

And as for "The Media are the Enemy," Charles, that's untrue to the point of risibility.

I'm just curious: Do you really, truly, feel the media are the enemy? Do you literally feel that Americans should take up arms against all people who work in television, radio, newspapers, magazines, news services and online outlets?

Somehow I doubt it.

I agree with you but "Elements of the Media are Sometimes Complicit and Enabling" does not have enough catch to it.

re: #173 Iron Fist

During the Second World War, American reporters weren't out doing stories on the valor of the Waffen SS. They were doing stories on the valor of US soldiers. Why is this war different?

Because the media, as a whole, has chosen a different side.

I hear what you're saying, but the media today has not chosen a different side. They choose the side the US is not on, every single damn time, with very few, and I mean very few, exceptions. Do they even teach about Ernie Pyle in J-School?

re: #232 pleaseandthankyou

Believe me I understand the ethical conundrum about knowing of an impending attack and not giving warning, particularly if it's an American reporter and the attack will be on American soldiers, or innocent children etc. That said, let me present a hypothetic question. Let's say you go to an American general and say you can get a photographer into the Taliban camps to take pictures of secret operations and post them on the internet, but the catch is that he cannot warn the troops of an attack. Would the general agree to it?

Never... The general's concern is for his troops...

And what do you mean u understand that conundrum... Care to share your expereiences? Hmmmm?

re: #236 Charles

In this photo, the media ARE the enemy.

It's known as "objective reality."

"In this photo" is a heck of a caveat. I'm glad to hear it, though.

re: #234 Cognito

And as for "The Media are the Enemy," Charles, that's untrue to the point of risibility.

I'm just curious: Do you really, truly, feel the media are the enemy? Do you literally feel that Americans should take up arms against all people who work in television, radio, newspapers, magazines, news services and online outlets?

Somehow I doubt it.

Do you believe the media are impartial and present all facts, and let both sides of any debate have equal time?

Heh.

re: #220 Cognito

What difference would it make? The mohammedan still has his identity 'cloaked'.

re: #195 Honorary Yooper

And there's another like him, "JustMyView", IIRC.

They're probably sock cousins.

re: #220 Cognito

I suspect this is actually from the Pajhwok News Agency, and likely picked up by the Associated Press.

I'm curious to know the context of the photo; it matters a great deal to me whether it was taken in public -- there are places in Afghanistan where the Taliban operates openly, even setting up their own court -- or whether it was taken in some hidden place, in collaboration with the Taliban.

One of them is legitimate journalism, I think, and one is not.

A fine line, but an important one.

re: #85 justiceforall

Why are they the enemy? I find that Charles often links to these same sources (the AP, Reuters, name-a-newspaper) often via another Web site as a way to back up many of his arguments about foreign policy, terrorist groups and so forth.

Here he is offended, I'm guessing, because the AP was clearly close to the Taliban, whom the United States considers an enemy. Yet it is often this kind of on-the-ground reporting that Charles relies on in his posts.

Ok, I'll bite. Prove your assertion in paragraph two.

re: #219 Honorary Yooper

It's been so long since I last looked. I'll have to see how far he's gotten.

He's up to Hurricane Katrina now (Sept, 2005).

re: #241 republic

Do you believe the media are impartial and present all facts, and let both sides of any debate have equal time?

Heh.

Is that what constitutes "the enemy" to you?

re: #227 justiceforall

I don't believe most of what Charles's posted is from the AP or Rueters.

re: #234 Cognito

Yup. You sound like an enabler your own self...

re: #243 Alouette

They're probably sock cousins.

They're probably Appalachian sock cousins.
;-P

re: #234 Cognito

And as for "The Media are the Enemy," Charles, that's untrue to the point of risibility.

I'm just curious: Do you really, truly, feel the media are the enemy? Do you literally feel that Americans should take up arms against all people who work in television, radio, newspapers, magazines, news services and online outlets?

Somehow I doubt it.

Reporters who knowingly publish secret information that compromises our ability to defeat our enemies in a time of war, should be arrested and prosecuted.

re: #233 republic

That is a reference to something, but to what, I have no idea.

OT:

MIAMI — Controversy is growing in Miami over the city's decision to launch a nearly $1 million crime-fighting initiative that will include street patrols by a group with close ties to the Nation of Islam.

re: #252 justiceforall

That is a reference to something, but to what, I have no idea.

You really should get out more.

re: #234 Cognito

And as for "The Media are the Enemy," Charles, that's untrue to the point of risibility.

I'm just curious: Do you really, truly, feel the media are the enemy? Do you literally feel that Americans should take up arms against all people who work in television, radio, newspapers, magazines, news services and online outlets?

Somehow I doubt it.

I think Charles is referring to the larger entitty of the 'media complex'... It certainly seems like and feels that the media complex has been working against American interests in the war on terror... I mean, they lead the discourse on Iraq... People think Iraq is still the same rats nest it was before the surge... I mean, media reporting has a LOT to do with public opinion... And Lord knows, lately, government is based on where the polls are...

re: #228 tokyobk
Thank you. My sentiments exactly.

re: #102 jcm

Lurkers beware.

Why? What are you going to click on?

re: #242 Cap'n DOC

What difference would it make? The mohammedan still has his identity 'cloaked'.

It makes a massive difference.

Something happening in public is news. It's the state of things in the country. If the Taliban is running around operating openly in town -- and in places they are -- then we ought to know it.

But if you're publishing secret movements of the Taliban, in a fashion that hinders American efforts or advances Taliban interests, that's a whole 'nother thing.

re: #253 CoCo

OT:

MIAMI — Controversy is growing in Miami over the city's decision to launch a nearly $1 million crime-fighting initiative that will include street patrols by a group with close ties to the Nation of Islam.

Why don't they just hire Hizb'allah?

re: #247 Cognito

I think some people in the media are my enemy in some sense. They write lies which get wide coverage. It doesn't mean I think they should be drawn and quartered.

The upside to this is it could allow cover and pretext for spying. But that is not what the AP is up to, unless it is spying against us or running static for the Bad Guys.

re: #248 seekeroftruth

When he does, it is often through Yahoo News, or a medium like that.

re: #247 Cognito

Is that what constitutes "the enemy" to you?

There are many things which constitute the enemy, that, being one of them.

re: #253 CoCo

Wait 'til they get to Little Havana...

re: #253 CoCo

Damn, I was hoping for some good bean pies on my next trip to Florida

re: #249 Cap'n DOC

Yup. You sound like an enabler your own self...

Yep.

I'm a regular card-carrying member of al-Qaeda, I suppose.

Salaam, dude.

re: #29 JohnnyReb

mortar rounds

re: #255 tfc3rid

I think Charles is referring to the larger entitty of the 'media complex'... It certainly seems like and feels that the media complex has been working against American interests in the war on terror... I mean, they lead the discourse on Iraq... People think Iraq is still the same rats nest it was before the surge... I mean, media reporting has a LOT to do with public opinion... And Lord knows, lately, government is based on where the polls are...

A good question is: Is this actually coordinated from above, or is it more of a mentality that exists amongst most journalists? I tend toward the latter given what I've seen. Some journalists aren't even aware of it.

re: #268 Honorary Yooper

A good question is: Is this actually coordinated from above, or is it more of a mentality that exists amongst most journalists? I tend toward the latter given what I've seen. Some journalists aren't even aware of it.

Possibly depends on the news outfit...

re: #258 Cognito

Define 'public' - context, of course. Like, is this the difference between Downtown Baghdad and Sadr City, or?