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Breaking: Obama Clinches Nomination

Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 2:00:36 pm PDT

Fox News is reporting that Barack Obama has amassed enough delegates to win the Democratic nomination...

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1 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:01:01pm

Crap.

2 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:01:28pm

Consolation prize; he should be easier to beat.

3 red satellite  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:01:30pm

God help us.

4 mama winger  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:01:33pm

God help us all.

5 Alouette  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:02:05pm

I'm sure Hillary still has a trick or two up her sleeve. It ain't over till it's over.

6 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:02:11pm

Hang on: the nomination is not the election.

7 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:02:12pm
8 HelloDare  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:02:17pm

Release the scandal hounds!

9 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:02:42pm

This simplifies things for me.
No ambiguity now.
McCain 2008.

10 MJ  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:02:43pm

Someone should wake up John McCain and tell him.

11 HelloDare  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:02:45pm

Michelle must be so proud.

12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:02:55pm

It was like waiting for a hurricane, you knew it was coming and it finally made landfall.

13 coquimbojoe  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:03:13pm

re: #3 red satellite

God help us.

re: #4 mama winger

God help us all.

re: #1 Occasional Reader

Crap.

My immediate thoughts too. Light a candle, say a prayer, whatever it is you do....

14 addison  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:03:22pm

I'm bitter.

15 redstateredneck  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:03:36pm

It's on.
C'mon McCain, open up a can of whoop-ass on him.

16 mama winger  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:03:54pm

I really love my country. I mean - I really really love my country. America is the shining city on a hill. Please God, do not allow us to put out our own light.

17 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:03:58pm

Damn it.

I hope Hillary keeps pounding the superdelegate issue. I don't want this to end now; it sounds weird, but as long as this contest has gone on, I don't think it's gone long enough yet. So many juicy stories to reveal...

18 hermeneutics  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:04:10pm

Hey, he's the weaker candidate! We should be rejoicing for when McCain wins -- which is more certain now -- Israel and the United States will be protected from radical Islam.

19 Peacekeeper  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:04:12pm

Once, twice, three times a lady.

20 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:04:22pm
21 Venezuela lover  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:04:24pm

Stop the convention. Its not needed. If Fox News says it, it must be true.

Its also official that the democrats cannot field a decent candidate.

22 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:04:27pm

So, when does the Clinton team show up at the McCains'?

23 jemima  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:04:56pm

Pardon me if I don't cheer. To simple minds this looks like a huge step forward. Upon thoughtful analysis this is a massive lurch backward.

24 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:05:05pm
25 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:05:06pm

Visualize a humiliating McCain 40+ State sweep.

26 hermeneutics  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:05:21pm

re: #22 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Chubby, they don't have to show up, they just have to fax us their opp. research.

27 HelloDare  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:05:22pm

This is going to cut into Bills philandering, what with Hillary being home and all. Maybe not.

28 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:05:30pm

"It's not over till the lady in the pantsuit says it is."

29 father_of_10  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:05:39pm

So, do you all think that Clinton loathes Obama to the point that she will help McCain crush, humiliate and defeat him into history? To make him a pariah of politics?

30 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:05:51pm

re: #27 HelloDare

This is going to cut into Bills philandering, what with Hillary being home and all. Maybe not.

They'll still have Congress.

31 redstateredneck  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:05:51pm
32 HelloDare  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:05:57pm

They found somebody worse than Kerry. Amazing.

33 mama winger  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:06:00pm

re: #29 father_of_10

So, do you all think that Clinton loathes Obama to the point that she will help McCain crush, humiliate and defeat him into history? To make him a pariah of politics?

Lord, I hope so.

34 hermeneutics  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:06:03pm

re: #29 father_of_10

NO.

35 Peacekeeper  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:06:08pm

He doesn't want Hillary but he does want to win, so he needs her.

36 jcm  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:06:23pm

N☭bama.

37 hermeneutics  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:06:39pm

The worst case scenario is Obama choosing Clinton for his veep. Pray it doesn't happen.

38 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:06:50pm

re: #28 Honorary Yooper

"It's not over till the lady in the pantsuit says it is sings."

My ears, my ears...

39 MJ  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:07:01pm

They're celebrating in Tehran tonight.

40 the_flying_pig  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:07:05pm

Danger, Will Robinson, danger!

41 Athos  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:07:28pm

re: #32 HelloDare

They found somebody worse than Kerry. Amazing.

The Democrats just have to continue to negatively outperform. They intend to do the same in fighting the war and in the economy.

42 Killian Bundy  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:07:30pm

BIG OBAMA ATE MY BABY DINGO!

/President Obama equals Dow 7000

43 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:07:30pm

re: #39 MJ

They're celebrating in Tehran tonight.

Definately a passout candy in the streets moment for them.

44 Sizzlack  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:07:53pm

Time to build me a Panic Room.

45 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:07:55pm
46 jaunte  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:07:58pm

Hip, Hip, Hamas.

47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:08:02pm

re: #42 Killian Bundy

BIG OBAMA ATE MY BABY DINGO!

/President Obama equals Dow 70.00

You forgot the decimal point

48 father_of_10  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:08:34pm

re: #37 hermeneutics

The worst case scenario is Obama choosing Clinton for his veep. Pray it doesn't happen.

I think they will implode if that happens. She is not going to like taking orders from him and he will have to have a full-time food-taster and extra body guards. I think that might make for a very uneasy coalition and possibly a very short term for the Obamamamamama guy.

49 HelloDare  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:08:38pm

He's got the nomination. Now the real Obama can come out. Waffle breakfast at Trinity United Church of Christ next Sunday after services.

50 hermeneutics  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:08:40pm

re: #45 buzzsawmonkey

An OH ticket radically changes the choices available to McCain.

51 jaunte  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:08:42pm

And that #46 has a giant invisible /sarc tag on it, if you're at all uncertain...

52 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:08:47pm
53 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:09:00pm

re: #44 Sizzlack

Time to build me a Panic Room.

Guns, ammo, stay mobile, they can dig you out of a panic room, make em work to get you.

54 mama winger  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:09:01pm

Speaking of Obama, my dog has to poop. bbl

55 notreallyme  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:09:08pm

re: #18 hermeneutics

re: #18 hermeneutics

Hey, he's the weaker candidate! We should be rejoicing for when McCain wins -- which is more certain now -- Israel and the United States will be protected from radical Islam.

Will they? If McCain follows Rice's stated policy of "give the Palestinians a state no matter what", Israel will be up a creek. She should have never opened her mouth to AIPAC.

The way I see it, either McCain (or Bush) has to distance themselves from Rice, or Hillary just has a chance for the "jewish vote".

56 hermeneutics  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:09:37pm

re: #49 HelloDare

The real Obama will keep his racialism and immaturity in hiding. He's a great actor.

57 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:09:45pm
58 father_of_10  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:09:49pm

re: #54 mama winger

Speaking of Obama, my dog has to poop. bbl

D*mn. I stepped in some obama!

59 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:09:58pm

Folks, it's on.

60 redstateredneck  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:10:01pm

re: #49 HelloDare

He's got the nomination. Now the real Obama can come out. Waffle breakfast at Trinity United Church of Christ next Sunday after services.


Special Guest Speaker: Father Phleger

61 snowcrash  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:10:09pm

Somewhere Susan Sarandon is smiling. Yuck

62 jamgarr  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:10:15pm

It's beginning to look like the Dems are really going to misundernominate this year.

63 Peacekeeper  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:10:16pm

re: #45 buzzsawmonkey

The Democrats HAVE to force those two together to save the election.

64 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:10:18pm
65 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:10:28pm

re: #52 song_and_dance_man

Ayers, Revved Wright, Pfleger, Farrakhan, Achmadinijad and a whole host of other racist nuts are celebrating at this very moment.

Actually, they're probably worried right now. If Obama wins, how can they (as well as Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, et al) keep their "victimhood" con game alive?

66 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:10:50pm

re: #57 Killgore Trout

Lawmakers: Clinton says she's open to VP
Fat chance.

Back to the Senate with you!

/and hopefully bho, too, after nov. 4th

67 hermeneutics  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:10:53pm

re: #55 notreallyme

Rice is out. McCain will have to distance himself because he'll want to WIN. He's no dummy -- his legacy will be ending the wars with honor, peace and strength.

Obama would simply run away.

68 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:11:15pm
69 jcm  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:11:30pm

But will HRC go gently?

70 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:11:34pm
71 Peacekeeper  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:11:34pm

You can forget about McCain : the media will savage him as soon as the dust settles. Obama is their anointed one.

72 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:11:41pm

re: #64 buzzsawmonkey

Shouldn't that be "Dhow?" President Obama wants us to be friendly with the Muslim world.

Or da'wa?

/feeding us islamist bs

73 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:11:46pm

re: #68 song_and_dance_man

The whole world still needs to be conquered.

Those con artists only care about linking the USA

74 father_of_10  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:11:54pm

re: #65 sattv4u2

Actually, they're probably worried right now. If Obama wins, how can they (as well as Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, et al) keep their "victimhood" con game alive?

Easy, everytime he proposes something and doesn't get it, then it's victim-time again. Anyone that opposes anything he promotes is a racist. He has automatic and continual built-in victim-hood.

75 hermeneutics  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:12:04pm

re: #71 Peacekeeper

We are the new media. We need to get busy.

76 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:12:15pm
77 HelloDare  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:12:18pm

Dow, d'oh!

78 BIGDUKE 6  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:12:29pm

I wonder- when will he start calling himself Barry again ?
This is gonna be great ! Michelle Obama will be exposed for the Bigot that she is.

79 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:12:32pm

re: #59 Ward Cleaver

Folks, it's on.

Yup, the enemy has cross FEBA, approaching max effective range.

80 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:12:33pm

re: #73 sattv4u2

Those con artists only care about linking MILKING the USA


PIMF

81 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:12:42pm

I voted for John McCain today. The other option was Ron Paul. November will be even easier.

/New Mexico. Yes, we had a primary today.

82 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:12:55pm

re: #71 Peacekeeper

You can forget about McCain : the media will savage him as soon as the dust settles. Obama is their anointed one.

The media savaged Bush in 2004 and 2000. Fortunately, they don't get to simply pick the President. Not yet, anyway.

83 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:12:55pm

re: #37 hermeneutics

The worst case scenario is Obama choosing Clinton for his veep. Pray it doesn't happen.

Michelle wouldn't let him pair up with a white woman. He'd have to throw one of them under the bus.

84 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:12:56pm

re: #69 jcm

But will HRC go gently?

NEVAH!

85 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:13:20pm

Cardinal removes Pfleger from St. Sabina parish

The firebrand pastor of St. Sabina parish was removed from his duties there Tuesday, according to a statement released by the Archdiocese of Chicago.

In the statement, Cardinal Francis George says he asked the Rev. Michael Pfleger, 59, to "take leave for a couple of weeks from his pastoral duties." The statement said Pfleger "does not believe this to be the right step at this time." "While respecting his disagreement, I have nevertheless asked him to use this opportunity to reflect on his recent statements and actions in the light of the Church's regulations for all Catholic priests," George said.

86 Athos  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:13:41pm

re: #61 snowcrash

Somewhere Susan Sarandon is smiling getting moving quotes and checking out the Canadian and Italian consulates for immigration paperwork.

This is probably more likely.......

87 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:13:45pm

re: #83 David IV of Georgia

Michelle wouldn't let him pair up with a white woman. He'd have to throw one of them under the bus.

Seeing that Michelle is the bus DRIVER,,, YOU do the math!

88 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:13:52pm

re: #27 HelloDare

This is going to cut into Bills philandering, what with Hillary being home and all. Maybe not.

She just goes back the Senate (there's four years left on her term), so it'll be party time for Bill.

89 notreallyme  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:13:52pm

re: #67 hermeneutics

Rice is out. McCain will have to distance himself because he'll want to WIN. He's no dummy -- his legacy will be ending the wars with honor, peace and strength.

I sure hope so. She really pulled a "career limiting move". :-)

90 Sizzlack  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:14:00pm

Obama winning the nomination is just more proof that moonbats vote and make their decisions based on emotions rather than facts. I do not understand how anyone could be such a supporter of Obama when no one knows his positions on anything. Its like rolling the dice and hoping you dont crap out.

91 Peacekeeper  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:14:10pm

Can't wait for the first Supreme Court pick from Barrack. I'm betting on radical black feminist.

92 EC Marm  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:14:22pm

"May you live in interesting times." It's no wonder it's considered an ancient curse.

93 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:14:26pm

re: #77 HelloDare

Dow, d'oh!


Sell now. Under the Obama regime you won't be able to afford making money.

94 tokyobk  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:14:35pm

Obama will be running as a regular guy with a tan from now on anyway. A mildly ethnic American the way Jackson was Scotch Irish and Kennedy was Catholic.

95 hermeneutics  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:14:59pm

re: #89 notreallyme

I think she got into the thick of things and simply lost track. I don't think she's evil or even stupid -- but she's horribly wrong.

96 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:14:59pm

re: #88 Ward Cleaver

She just goes back the Senate (there's four years left on her term), so it'll be party time STALKING WOMEN AS USUAL for Bill.

fixed

97 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:15:14pm

So is Hill gonna start drinking again?

98 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:15:18pm

re: #91 Peacekeeper

Can't wait for the first Supreme Court pick from Barrack. I'm betting on radical black feminist.

Cynthia McKinney !

99 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:15:38pm

Keep your powder dry McCain! Many Americans don't even think about elections until Labor Day.

100 'Nam Grunt  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:15:40pm

re: #61 snowcrash

I certainly hope she uses her fly miles and takes a plane load with her to Canada, Italy doesn't want the harridan!

101 Atweber  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:15:52pm

osama bin borax the best the demoncats have to offer--what happened to the party of truman?

102 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:16:01pm
103 onslow  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:16:01pm
104 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:16:03pm

re: #84 Fat Jolly Penguin

NEVAH!

Found the video I was looking for!

105 tokyobk  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:16:24pm

There will also be a big, big bus undering for serious leftists. Obama is going white and going center...

106 maximoso  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:16:37pm

Grab your wallets and get ready for a bumpy ride.

As inept as McCain is - We could have to endure Jimmy Carter again in hopes of finding another Reagan to emerge.

Lord Help us - with the possibility of having a President who holds disdain for this country.

107 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:16:39pm

re: #91 Peacekeeper

Can't wait for the first Supreme Court pick from Barrack. I'm betting on radical black feminist.

Maxine Waters or Cynthia McKinney.

108 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:17:01pm
109 notreallyme  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:17:10pm

re: #95 hermeneutics

I think she got into the thick of things and simply lost track. I don't think she's evil or even stupid -- but she's horribly wrong.

But now it's policy. Bush has to accept it, or deny it. If McCain wants he "jewish vote", he'll have to distance himself from it.

110 BIGDUKE 6  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:17:11pm

re: #71 Peacekeeper

You can forget about McCain : the media will savage him as soon as the dust settles. Obama is their anointed one.

The MSM can try but I think the Man's basic Decency will shine through.
His speech to AIPAC was a classic.
Besides there are more skeletons in Barak's closet than on a Cambodian killing field.

111 Adrenalyn  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:17:12pm

he has already won the election of most racist candidate ever to run as the lead for a major party with his association with Louis Farrakhan, Jeremiah Wright and the entire Trinity Church

then again, Jimmy Carter was the previous holder of that title
with his association with Lester Maddox and JB Stoner

112 Peacekeeper  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:17:16pm

Remember: If you don't support Obama you're a racist! Have a nice day comrades!

113 Sizzlack  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:17:25pm

re: #107 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Cynthia McKinney.

Wow I think I barfed in my mouth a little on that one...

114 EC Marm  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:17:37pm

re: #85 Killgore Trout
LARGE PRINT
"Removed"
Small print
"for a couple of weeks"

I personally think he should be permanent clean up crew in the local homeless shelter soup kitchen for the rest of his term.

115 jcm  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:18:03pm

re: #84 Fat Jolly Penguin

NEVAH!

Zactly!

I don't see her conceding.

116 'Nam Grunt[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:18:08pm
117 BIGDUKE 6  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:18:29pm

re: #86 Athos

This is probably more likely.......

GOOD RIDDANCE TO BAD RUBBISH !

118 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:18:43pm

Theres gonna be a new portrait up at the Blue Note Club, right beside Gov. Dukakis.
(Naked Gun 2 1/2: The Smell of Fear)

119 tokyobk  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:18:54pm

re: #110 BIGDUKE 6

The MSM can try but I think the Man's basic Decency will shine through.
His speech to AIPAC was a classic.
Besides there are more skeletons in Barak's closet than on a Cambodian killing field.

Unfortunately in a political campaign nothing shines through that the candidates don`t initiate. I will be a broken record until November. McCain cannot beat Obama by simply being the most decent guy in the room. He has to take the fight to Obama.

120 theheat  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:18:58pm

As icky as it is, I don't think the Obama/Hillary ticket can be beaten by McCain, particularly if McCain chooses a Fundie VP running mate (the kiss od death). It will just play into Obama's "change" hands - no more old white guys, yadda yadda, change, yadda yadda, change... Never mind Obama had his own crazy Fundie, he's going to play up how the nation is tired of same ole same ole, and Hillary at his side will somehow seem more... conservative.

I never thought I'd see the day where I had rooted so hard for Hillary to beat someone. Geez, I'd rather see a McCain/Hillary ticket. Now, that, I could get behind. Compared to this, I'd be rejoicing.

To say this sucks is an understatement.

121 calcajun  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:19:07pm

Okay, maybe this is the paranoid me talking (people are out to get me--really) but this news, coupled with the word from the Clinton cam that she'd be thrilled to be his VP (yeah, like Michelle O would go for that) conjures visions of the Manchurian Candidate. She takes the slot and then plots to have him assassinated.

Seriously, there is no way on Earth he would have her after all they have been through. Besides, he would need to sleep with one eye open and have to send food tasters to the Naval Observatory whenever he would dine with Lady Macbeth, er... his VP.

122 MES41067  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:19:19pm

Sniff Sniff awe shit we were having big fun weren't we.

123 jcm  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:19:24pm

re: #85 Killgore Trout

Cardinal removes Pfleger from St. Sabina parish

They noticed the red headed child!
Hide him!

124 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:19:38pm

re: #25 Occasional Reader

Visualize a humiliating McCain 40+ State sweep.

He could even win some of the blue states, especially if the Hispanics come out for McCain.

I'm thinking that McCain could even win in Massachusetts, especially if he gets support of some of the normally Democratic working-class voters.
I'd give Obama Boston, Cambridge, Somerville, and maybe Springfield. McCain could conceivably win Boston with support of Hispanics and those in South Boston.
A lot depends on how many more people Obama throws under the bus and what revelations come out about him.
McCain might be centrist enough to get votes that would never otherwise go for a Republican. Hmm - we elected several Republican governors; the last time, the Republicans lost because they were running a loser. But then. the Democrat who won reminds me of Obama, but without all the racist baggage.

We'll see. Hillary had a real chance to win the election.

125 autoexec  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:19:42pm

And so it begins.

I can almost feel the Endtimes draw near.

126 hermeneutics  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:20:04pm

re: #103 onslow

DOn't worry about that map, Onslow. They have a good record of prediction, but its based on lagging indicators -- old polls. Most analysts, even the Dems, see a rosy picture for McCain.

I have my own wee set of stats, and I believe McCain is up in the electoral college by at least 30 votes. And that's my worst case scenario.

127 HelloDare  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:20:53pm

re: #123 jcm

They noticed the red headed child!
Hide him!

Quick, remove him before we lose our tax-exempt status.

128 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:21:12pm

'Nam, what did you do?

/#116

129 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:21:26pm

re: #91 Peacekeeper

Can't wait for the first Supreme Court pick from Barrack. I'm betting on radical black feminist.

Or Al Sharpton

130 republic  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:22:13pm

re: #91 Peacekeeper

Can't wait for the first Supreme Court pick from Barrack. I'm betting on radical black feminist.

Cynthia McKinney?

Go ahead America, don't vote to "teach those Republicans lesson"!

131 Intrepid  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:22:16pm

If Obama does not choose Clinton for the Veep slot, then he'll have to make massive moves toward the center in his policy speeches. But he's already made such outrageous statements that he'll only look like more of a flip-flopper than John Kerry ever dreamed of being.

And honestly, Obama has already peaked. McCain has yet to get started.

So it's time, John Sydney McCain, to step up to the plate and start hitting more than singles.

132 EC Marm  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:22:22pm

Maxine Waters switches allegiance to Barack Obama.

133 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:22:26pm

re: #129 Kosh's Shadow

Or Al Sharpton

Sharpton wouldn't take it. He'd consider it a step backwards to his current status !

134 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:22:58pm

re: #125 autoexec

And so it begins.

I can almost feel the Endtimes draw near.

You mean because the Mahdi is that much closer to ruling the free world new Caliphate?

135 tokyobk  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:23:12pm

re: #124 Kosh's Shadow

We'll see. Hillary had a real chance to win the election.

Kosh my friend, this is dangerous wishful thinking, that McCain will sweep things or that some revalation will implode Obama.

136 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:23:13pm
137 Adrenalyn  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:23:16pm

be interesting to see what the stock market does tomorrow in anticipation of November

place your bets
who bets it goes up
anticipating a McCain landslide

138 maximoso  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:23:18pm

re: #121 calcajun

Seriously, there is no way on Earth he would have her after all they have been through. Besides, he would need to sleep with one eye open and have to send food tasters to the Naval Observatory whenever he would dine with Lady Macbeth, er... his VP.

I think Hillary would have to test her food and drink for her. Michelle Obama would be after the Clintons as much as Hillary would want Obama's prize seat. After All - Hillary is a " rich white person " - and you can't trust dem ya know!

After 4 years with that whitehouse - we could get rid of the Clintons and the Obamas in one clean sweep. America would have enough liberalism from that administration to fuel 2 decades of conservativism.

139 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:23:34pm

re: #83 David IV of Georgia

Michelle wouldn't let him pair up with a white woman. He'd have to throw one of them under the bus.

He'd throw Michelle under the bus to get into the White House.

140 Peacekeeper  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:23:44pm

It's simple political necessity. They have to join up or they split their base. Hillary ain't got any other job prospects or any self respect either. It's not like being junior senator to Chuck Schumer is her ambition in life.

141 TrollBot PrtoType Six  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:24:09pm

What Fox and the AP say doesn't mean a damn thing. It all comes down to Denver and The Hilldabeast will be there to rip Obama a new one.
This is a long way from being over.
Get some more popcorn and relax, the real fun is just beginning.

142 jaydee  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:24:39pm

I feel utterly and thoroughly p*ssed off.

143 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:24:39pm

re: #132 EC Marm

Maxine Waters switches allegiance to Barack Obama.

Wouldn't it be wild if the Dems found a primary opponent for Hill in her 2010 Senate race?

144 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:24:56pm

re: #137 Adrenalyn

be interesting to see what the stock market does tomorrow in anticipation of November

place your bets
who bets it goes up
anticipating a McCain landslide

While I would like to see it go up, I don't think it's headed that way. If I were you, with Obama's leanings towards Kyoto and the green nutjobs, I'd start investing in solar/alternative energy companies. I think they stand to win big with him in office.

145 hermeneutics  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:24:58pm

Lizards in toss-up states need to be particularly active.

In the west, this means NM, CO and NV.

In the midwest, this means any state around Lake Michigan, and, of course, Ohio.

I'm writing off New England, but lizards in VA and NC have their work cut out.

To sum, if you are from the following states you need to get off your arse and help McCain now: NV, CO, NM, WI, MI, MN, IA, MO, IN, OH, VA AND NC.

146 Kailen  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:25:08pm

The polls have not closed. Did 2004 teach people nothing?

147 really grumpy big dog johnson  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:25:16pm

re: #91 Peacekeeper

Can't wait for the first Supreme Court pick from Barrack. I'm betting on radical black feminist.

You mean Michelle?

148 tokyobk  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:25:18pm

re: #139 Ward Cleaver

He'd throw Michelle under the bus to get into the White House.

Yes and in a way he will as he moves white and moves right. She will be getting her first clues at how strategic her husband is just about now as she realizes that his "black" ticket has been punched and the only way she can help him now is to politely STFU.

149 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:25:31pm

re: #141 TrollBot PrtoType Six

What Fox and the AP say doesn't mean a damn thing. It all comes down to Denver and The Hilldabeast will be there to rip Obama a new one.
This is a long way from being over.
Get some more popcorn and relax, the real fun is just beginning.

The real fun's gonna be in Denver.

/the whole world is watching, the whole world is watching, the whole world is watching...

150 CapeCoddah  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:25:41pm

Well, this is terrifying! Everyone should stock up on antacids...4 1/2 year supply, im thinking. We should also probably all consider pulling all funds out of banks and investments, and stuffing the mattress.
Oboy will come looking for all of it if, by some chance, there turn out to be a majority of idiots voting at this time...

151 Killian Bundy  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:25:42pm

Lefty is already working on picking Obama's Cabinet.

/not for the faint of heart

152 Cognito  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:25:50pm

Well. I guess the game really is afoot, now.

153 hydrocarbon hank  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:25:53pm

Obama can't win...unless McCain has a total melt-down...Obama can not win this election....I'll put money on it.

154 Peacekeeper  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:26:02pm

Obama in 08 and 12. Michelle Obama in 16 and 20. Gah. I scared myself!

155 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:26:03pm

It's still a long way to Denver, folks. Heck, with this race, it's a long journey to Thursday.

Sit back, relax, enjoy the festivities.

156 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:26:05pm

re: #145 hermeneutics

Lizards in toss-up states need to be particularly active.

Does DC count?

/kidding

157 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:26:45pm

re: #124 Kosh's Shadow
There is NO way McCain could take Boston, let alone Massachusetts. No matter the outcome of Kennedys surgery and recovery, the sympathy vote for him goes to Obama. Boston doesn't have as large of an Hispanic community as is does black (not only Roxbury, but most of Dorchester, Mattapan and Roslindale)

CAMBRIDGE? You HAVE to be joking. If McCain gets more than 35% there, that alone would be a "win"

158 tfc3rid  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:26:48pm

This is the EV projection I have....

Projected Electoral Votes
Barack Obama: 293
John McCain: 245

159 snowcrash  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:26:50pm

Avatars are now in the comment spy.

160 Adrenalyn  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:26:58pm

re: #138 maximoso

I think Hillary would have to test her food and drink for her. Michelle Obama would be after the Clintons as much as Hillary would want Obama's prize seat. After All - Hillary is a " rich white person " - and you can't trust dem ya know!

After 4 years with that whitehouse - we could get rid of the Clintons and the Obamas in one clean sweep. America would have enough liberalism from that administration to fuel 2 decades of conservativism.

I politely disagree
if Obama got into the White House
those doubters in my calling them "nazicrats" instead of "democrats" would finally see them turn 100% totalitarian
maybe not see the death camps
but you'd never see another republican majority again
and not in the White House again
they'd for all intents and purposes outlaw the GOP
thru campaign "reform" where no money can be raised
and the biased media will help them consolidate their power
see the Reuters link on zombietime.com
if you don't think the media and the nazi's collaborate

161 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:27:24pm

re: #150 CapeCoddah

You don't think Obama won't have a Mattress Brigade?

162 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:27:26pm

re: #150 CapeCoddah

Well, this is terrifying! Everyone should stock up on antacids...4 1/2 year supply, im thinking. We should also probably all consider pulling all funds out of banks and investments, and stuffing the mattress.
Oboy will come looking for all of it if, by some chance, there turn out to be a majority of idiots voting at this time...

Oh, don't give up yet! Hell, there's five months to go. A lot can happen in five months.

163 tokyobk  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:27:42pm

re: #153 hydrocarbon hank

Obama can't win...unless McCain has a total melt-down...Obama can not win this election....I'll put money on it.


How much and in what currency? Thing is, I want McCain to win. But your thinking is dangerous, dangerous, dangerous. Obama is not to be underestimated and neither is the power of what he evokes as a black man running for president on a major ticket.

164 'Nam Grunt  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:27:47pm

re: #128 Ward Cleaver

Guess I pissed off Charles, LOLOLOL!

165 hermeneutics  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:27:47pm

re: #153 hydrocarbon hank

I'll bet money too. Unless Mccain implodes, which he won't, we've got this thing in the bag.

166 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:27:56pm

re: #159 snowcrash

I noticed that. 'Tis mightily cool.

167 onslow  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:27:58pm

re: #126 hermeneutics

I hope you're right.

It will be interesting to see how much RCP's map changes between now and November.

168 Consumer  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:27:58pm

Black Tuesday

169 hermeneutics  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:28:24pm

re: #158 tfc3rid

What the heck?

You have got to be dreaming.

170 CapeCoddah  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:28:39pm

I wonder what the "typical White House" will be renamed. Too politically incorrect, offensive to any non white. Can't have that..

171 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:28:47pm

re: #154 Peacekeeper

Obama in 08 and 12. Michelle Obama in 16 and 20. Gah. I scared myself!

Stop with that pessmistic nonsense. Cheer up! The world ends in 2012. (The Mayans said so.)

172 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:28:57pm

re: #164 'Nam Grunt

Guess I pissed off Charles, LOLOLOL!

Better watch it there. How you doin', 'Nam?

173 TN_Vol  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:29:10pm

I guess it was inevitable. Too bad the DNC rules committee decided Floridians and Michiganders were only worth 1/2 a vote instead of say 2/3.

174 tokyobk  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:29:28pm

re: #165 hermeneutics

I'll bet money too. Unless Mccain implodes, which he won't, we've got this thing in the bag.


Argh. You guys are scaring me. No we do not have this in the bag.

175 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:29:32pm
I'm writing off New England, but lizards in VA and NC have their work cut out.

Yesterday's Rasmussen had Obama up only 3 in CT. If that's close, then NH is competitive. Forget ME, RI, and MA.

Early balloting is in from VT and Obama won 99-1%.

176 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:29:39pm
177 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:29:39pm

re: #173 TN_Vol

I guess it was inevitable. Too bad the DNC rules committee decided Floridians and Michiganders were only worth 1/2 a vote instead of say 2/3.

ouch ! THATS gonna leave a mark !

178 Peacekeeper  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:29:40pm

re: #171 Occasional Reader

Stop with that pessmistic nonsense. Cheer up! The world ends in 2012. (The Mayans said so.)

Hold the mayo(a)

179 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:30:00pm

re: #85 Killgore Trout

Cardinal removes Pfleger from St. Sabina parish

In my church he would have been removed long ago.

Happy Leavetaking of Pascha & Feast of Ascencion.

180 tfc3rid  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:30:11pm

re: #169 hermeneutics

What the heck?

You have got to be dreaming.

At the pollling I've been looking at, that's where things are...

It's a long way till November, but don't, for one second, think that this is going to be easy...

181 EC Marm  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:30:16pm

re: #162 Ward Cleaver

Oh, don't give up yet! Hell, there's five months to go. A lot can happen in five months.


Not only that, but the polls right after the Dem convention will have Obama and running mate winning with a 50 state landslide. At one point Reagan was down in the polls by about 12 points against Jhimma Carter. By election day it was flipped the opposite.

182 'Nam Grunt  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:30:27pm

re: #172 Ward Cleaver

Doing good Ward, I love it out here in the country quiet and peaceful and no moonbats. LOL

183 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:30:35pm

re: #174 tokyobk

I agree, it's going to be very close.

184 Ojoe  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:30:37pm

THe more I think about the Hillary VP rumor, the more I think: Fine. Let him take her down too.

185 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:30:42pm

re: #150 CapeCoddah

Well, this is terrifying! Everyone should stock up on antacids...4 1/2 year supply, im thinking. We should also probably all consider pulling all funds out of banks and investments, and stuffing the mattress.
Oboy will come looking for all of it if, by some chance, there turn out to be a majority of idiots voting at this time...

Stock up on guns and ammo, and hide in a cave.
Watch out for black guys in suits and bow ties. (Specifically for non-lizards, I mean the NOI, who will become somewhat respectable.)

Actually, I think this will be like 72, a landslide for McCain. Unless Soros buys Diebold and other electronic voting machine companies.

186 hermeneutics  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:30:50pm

My prediction .... he'll take 282.

187 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:30:57pm

re: #173 TN_Vol

I guess it was inevitable. Too bad the DNC rules committee decided Floridians and Michiganders were only worth 1/2 a vote instead of say 2/3.

I think that could still open up in Denver. The FL and MI Dems shot themselves in the foot, moving their primaries up. They only have themselves to blame.

188 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:31:00pm

re: #179 David IV of Georgia

In my church he would have been removed long ago.

Happy Leavetaking of Pascha & Feast of Ascencion.

in my church he would have been a lifesized reenactment of the Crucifixtion!

189 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:31:10pm
190 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:31:12pm

re: #158 tfc3rid

This is the EV projection I have....

Projected Electoral Votes
Barack Obama: 293
John McCain: 245

I'd be curious to see the projected numbers from June 2000 and 2004. I'd hedge Algore and Lerch had sizable leads.

191 jaydee  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:31:17pm

re: #23 jemima

Pardon me if I don't cheer. To simple minds this looks like a huge step forward. Upon thoughtful analysis this is a massive lurch backward.

agreed

192 CapeCoddah  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:31:26pm

re: #161 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Dammit, you are right. Plastic sugar containers buried in the back yard. Avoids metal detectors.

193 hermeneutics  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:31:42pm

re: #177 sattv4u2

Yes, Michigan is ours. Stupid Dems.

194 boiledwombat  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:31:55pm

We should never take a McCain victory for granted.

The fact that an unsuitable candidate like Obama could even get this far speaks volumes about a seriously deranged electorate. (Ouch! Hey that includes all of us too.)

Factor in the almost universal support that Obama has from the LLL media and his election is an all too close possibility.

We must keep up the efforts to persuade the undecided, and communicate a vision of moderate, principled leaders that we want to have elected.

195 Ojoe  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:32:03pm

re: #153 hydrocarbon hank

Mr. 57 states goddamn America cannot win, no he cannot.

196 father_of_10  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:32:08pm

re: #81 wrenchwench

I voted for John McCain today. The other option was Ron Paul. November will be even easier.

/New Mexico. Yes, we had a primary today.

I didn't bother to go. My wife came back all disappointed because Mitt wasn't on the ballot. She at least wanted to vote for him, if even totally moot.

A local businessman is the Ron Paulian Pooh Bah and he claims to be the Republican Chairman. He has a ponytail and is a troofer. What's with that? That doesn't sound like any Republican chairman I've heard!

197 Peacekeeper  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:32:09pm

Obama needs Hillary to win. Will he swallow hard and do it? My prediciton: yes.

198 jcm  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:32:17pm

There might be a chance for McCain in WA.

People are POed about the mismanagement of the State under the (D)s. Dino Rossi is a good candidate. If we can keep the election clean I'd rate WA as possible in the McCain column. It's got to happen just right, but could.

199 hydrocarbon hank  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:32:25pm

re: #163 tokyobk

How much and in what currency? Thing is, I want McCain to win. But your thinking is dangerous, dangerous, dangerous. Obama is not to be underestimated and neither is the power of what he evokes as a black man running for president on a major ticket.


I'll bet big money...the kind of money that shows up in my mailbox every month when oil is $130/bbl and gas is $12/mcf. He can't carry the voters who win elections.

200 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:32:35pm

My success in life is not contingent on who occupies the White House. Bring it on Barry, I made it through 8 years of Bill Clinton, I can do 8 years of you standing on my head!

201 tokyobk  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:32:44pm

re: #183 Killgore Trout

I agree, it's going to be very close.

If McCain can go up against Obama like he is going up against Tiger Woods (this is a sport and Obama is a huge talent) and explain to the American people in very simple but forceful terms what is at stake in the world than he has a realistic shot.

Obama will play an A game all the way through.

202 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:32:55pm

Just heard on the radio: Jimmy Carter will announce his support for BHO tonight, right after the last primary.

Jimmy's support for Obama = kiss of death.

203 hermeneutics  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:33:12pm

re: #190 JammieWearingFool

Your hedge is right. Republicans vote predictably and always in greater numbers than expected. The center is shrinking.

Haven't you lied to a pollster? I have.

204 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:33:13pm

re: #182 'Nam Grunt

Doing good Ward, I love it out here in the country quiet and peaceful and no moonbats. LOL

Heard from June today. She had the third and final injection in her back, for back pain, and this one worked. Third time's a charm.

And, for a bonus, the doctor is an Israeli. I gotta meet that guy.

205 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:33:32pm

re: #157 sattv4u2

There is NO way McCain could take Boston, let alone Massachusetts. No matter the outcome of Kennedys surgery and recovery, the sympathy vote for him goes to Obama. Boston doesn't have as large of an Hispanic community as is does black (not only Roxbury, but most of Dorchester, Mattapan and Roslindale)

CAMBRIDGE? You HAVE to be joking. If McCain gets more than 35% there, that alone would be a "win"

I might have mistyped. Cambrige is pure moonbat territory. Boston, maybe. There are still some working-class white neighborhoods. (There I go, bringing race into it)

I know some people who say they will vote Republican for the first time in their lives. Not the moonbats and Koskids at work, but other people.

206 maximoso  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:33:42pm

re: #160 Adrenalyn

I politely disagree
if Obama got into the White House
those doubters in my calling them "nazicrats" instead of "democrats" would finally see them turn 100% totalitarian
maybe not see the death camps
but you'd never see another republican majority again
and not in the White House again
they'd for all intents and purposes outlaw the GOP
thru campaign "reform" where no money can be raised
and the biased media will help them consolidate their power
see the Reuters link on zombietime.com
if you don't think the media and the nazi's collaborate

I share some of that thought - but I frankly don't see an alternative that's palatable. If McCain gets into the White House - don't we have the same impact.

McCain will have Juan Hernandez opening the borders to 30 million Democrats - and all the liberal policies like Cap & Trade will be branded Republican ZConservative policies by the media. He'll attack his fellow republicans and drive up the bus when he's opposed by conservatives - and we all know McCain likes to hold grudges. He could swing more liberal to spite republicans. If you think the Republican party is lost today - wait til you see it in 4 years with the Maverick leading the party. :::: NOOOO! ::::

It really is a crappy time to be a voter in America. We have 3 democrats to choose from - and both have dire long term impacts. I'm going to have to expand my daily prayer!

207 'Nam Grunt  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:33:46pm

That Pfleger priest has just been fired from the church, now he can really rant, I love it!

208 hermeneutics  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:33:54pm

re: #195 Ojoe

I agree, but we still have to get out there and convince the lost.

209 Peacekeeper  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:33:57pm

The big loser in an Obama-Clinton team up will be John (the asskisser) Edwards.

210 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:34:02pm

re: #200 Jetpilot1101

My success in life is not contingent on who occupies the White House. Bring it on Barry, I made it through 8 years of Bill Clinton, I can do 8 years of you standing on my head!

Me too, but when we look back, we'll realize that was 16 years (20, if you include Carter) of our lives that sucked !

211 tfc3rid  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:34:10pm

re: #190 JammieWearingFool

I'd be curious to see the projected numbers from June 2000 and 2004. I'd hedge Algore and Lerch had sizable leads.

In 2004, one of the sites I follow had Kerry 316, Bush 222

212 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:34:28pm
213 'Nam Grunt  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:34:28pm

re: #204 Ward Cleaver

As always I send prayers up for her my Bud. ;-)

214 justsam65  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:34:29pm

The only thing worse than a President Obama is a President Obama with a filibuster proof, Democrat led, senate.

215 wolfie  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:34:35pm

re: #174 tokyobk

Argh. You guys are scaring me. No we do not have this in the bag.

I agree with you.
There is no room whatsoever for complacency.

216 Ojoe  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:34:48pm

re: #208 hermeneutics

True

217 jcm  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:34:56pm

re: #203 hermeneutics

Your hedge is right. Republicans vote predictably and always in greater numbers than expected. The center is shrinking.

Haven't you lied to a pollster? I have.

They quite calling, I challenged the premise of the question, saying the question was flawed and the answers meaningless. Never been called since. I must be an the master pollster shit list.

218 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:34:57pm

re: #175 JammieWearingFool

Yesterday's Rasmussen had Obama up only 3 in CT. If that's close, then NH is competitive. Forget ME, RI, and MA.

Early balloting is in from VT and Obama won 99-1%.

VT. Home of moonbats and Ben and Jerry's. But I repeat myself.

219 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:35:00pm

re: #209 Peacekeeper

The big loser in an Obama-Clinton team up will be John (the asskisser) Edwards.

You mean the new Attorney General?

220 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:35:35pm

re: #188 sattv4u2

in my church he would have been a lifesized reenactment of the Crucifixtion!

I modified my post and edited out things like:

In Eastern Orthodoxy, doctrine does not state that the priesthood confers an indelible character on the person's soul. Laicization removes the ordained status completely. Laicization as an ecclesiastical punishment may carry with it the excommunication of the former cleric from the church for a certain period, or indefinitely. The anathema, the permanent act of excommunication, against a member of the church or a former cleric is usually imposed by the decision of the synod of bishops or the ecclesiastical council. In such cases, this not only defrocks the former cleric but also banishes him from entering an Orthodox church, receiving the Eucharist and other sacraments or being blessed by a priest.

221 CapeCoddah  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:35:36pm

re: #175 JammieWearingFool
I cannot believe im saying this, But, I think Massachusetts may go McCain. We elected an Obamaidiot as governor here, and he is doing nothing but pissing EVERYONE off regularly. Including a 99.99% democratic legislature. Im thinking the morons here may have figured this out. Then again, I still believe in Santa..

222 tokyobk  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:35:40pm

re: #199 hydrocarbon hank

I'll bet big money...the kind of money that shows up in my mailbox every month when oil is $130/bbl and gas is $12/mcf. He can't carry the voters who win elections.


I won`t bet against McCain. I hope you are right. McCain needs to be proactive.

223 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:35:45pm
224 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:35:48pm

re: #200 Jetpilot1101

Good point. I'm preparing myself but I'm confident that i can survive just fine.

225 Widow'smight  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:35:54pm

re: #158 tfc3rid

I certainly wouldn't give PA to the Annointed one yet. Lots of Bitter white folks and a large elderly population.

226 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:36:00pm

re: #200 Jetpilot1101

My success in life is not contingent on who occupies the White House. Bring it on Barry, I made it through 8 years of Bill Clinton, I can do 8 years of you standing on my head!

Depends on where Iran uses their nukes.

227 Peacekeeper  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:36:00pm

re: #219 NJDhockeyfan

You mean the new Attorney General?

I mean Hillary will pay him back for his treachery... (as in DOT DOT DOT)

228 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:36:00pm

re: #205 Kosh's Shadow

I might have mistyped. Cambrige is pure moonbat territory. Boston, maybe. There are still some working-class white neighborhoods. (There I go, bringing race into it)

I know some people who say they will vote Republican for the first time in their lives. Not the moonbats and Koskids at work, but other people.

Those have shrunk drastically in the last 10-15 years. West Roxbury, Roslindale, Charlestown, So. Boston used to be 95% white. Go to any of those now!

229 cblesz  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:36:16pm

Pardon me...I just got back up on my chair and wiped my mouth from the vomit. I cannot beleive this guy has a chance to be President, with a majority as well. Be prepared...increase in payroll taxes, increase in cap gains taxes, increase in income taxes as he lets the tax cuts expire, weaker military, universal healthcare (of which you will all pay for), drivers licenses for illegal immigrants and paid college education for said illegal immigrants (of which we will pay for). Oh, don't forget the ability to appoint at least two more Ruth Bader Ginsburgs to the supremem court. Basically, I told my wife to strap in, because we are in big trouble. Barack Obama is Jimmy Carter without the hick accent...

230 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:36:36pm

re: #196 father_of_10

I didn't bother to go. My wife came back all disappointed because Mitt wasn't on the ballot. She at least wanted to vote for him, if even totally moot.

A local businessman is the Ron Paulian Pooh Bah and he claims to be the Republican Chairman. He has a ponytail and is a troofer. What's with that? That doesn't sound like any Republican chairman I've heard!

It's not too late! Go vote for Steve Pearce! Wilson is a RINO!

231 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:36:40pm

re: #210 sattv4u2

Me too, but when we look back, we'll realize that was 16 years (20, if you include Carter) of our lives that sucked !

"sucked" is a relative term. Life only sucks if you allow it to suck. I'm not saying that 8 years of Barry will be fun but they'll be bearable. While I hate to say this, America may need a modern day "Jimmy Carter" to wake her up and realize that socialism/communism/environmentalism/black liberation theologyism etc. etc. don't f-ing work!

232 Widow'smight  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:36:48pm

re: #171 Occasional Reader

I thought Algorge said 2016

233 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:36:51pm

re: #218 Kosh's Shadow

VT. Home of moonbats and Ben and Jerry's. But I repeat myself.

I live 30 miles from Blacksburg VA. Every time I see VT...ah...dagnabbit!

234 EC Marm  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:37:06pm

re: #207 'Nam Grunt

That Pfleger priest has just been fired from the church, now he can really rant, I love it!


Not fired, given a couple of weeks off. If he keeps his mouth shut and behaves, he'll be back. Unless people in that area keep writing letters to the Cardinal.

235 tfc3rid  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:37:09pm

re: #211 tfc3rid

In 2004, one of the sites I follow had Kerry 316, Bush 222

In June 2004... That was the projection... So yes, Jammie, similar situation...

236 hydrocarbon hank  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:37:23pm

Ladies and Gentlemen,

It is time to get to WORK!

237 hermeneutics  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:37:25pm

re: #217 jcm

I acted like a lefty -- I said I was smitten with Obama and wanted to get out of Iraq. I also said I was 27, unmarried and hispanic!

But then he asked me my zip code and I couldn't think of any codes that fit my profile. So I gave him my real zipcode. That probably sunk it.

238 DistantThunder  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:37:39pm

The cardinal just yanked Phlegar - I have a very strong feeling that the Pope weighed in on this.

239 Peacekeeper  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:37:41pm

Ben and Jerry's sold out to Unilever Corporation- it's OK to eat it now.

240 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:37:45pm

Obama will be bring about the kind of progressive change that this country so desperately needs. We cannot rely on the failed policies of the past; we have to work together to move forward, to the future. He is the right man for our country, our time. He is the one we've been waiting for.

/scratching at the place they just put the chip in my neck

241 mama winger  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:37:45pm

re: #231 Jetpilot1101

I'm not saying that 8 years of Barry will be fun but they'll be bearable.

Our troops may have a differing opinion on that.

242 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:37:48pm

re: #207 'Nam Grunt

That Pfleger priest has just been fired from the church, now he can really rant, I love it!

Only if he wants another, really good hard slap. If he's smart, he'll dummy up.

243 father_of_10  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:37:50pm

Obama/Edwards and they will give Hillary a spot on the bench to make her go away. If Michele gets too far out of line, could Barry through her under the bus like he did his uncle Jeremiah?

I would no sooner denounce Rev'rund Wright than I would my own [strike] grandmother[/strike] wife!

244 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:37:54pm

re: #221 CapeCoddah

I cannot believe im saying this, But, I think Massachusetts may go McCain. We elected an Obamaidiot as governor here, and he is doing nothing but pissing EVERYONE off regularly. Including a 99.99% democratic legislature. Im thinking the morons here may have figured this out. Then again, I still believe in Santa..

see my 157

245 tokyobk  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:37:57pm

re: #218 Kosh's Shadow

VT. Home of moonbats and Ben and Jerry's. But I repeat myself.

VT is also almost completely white. And yes his voters were all democrats, but it still makes a statement that Obama can conenct with white voters.

Obama`s first speech about race now will be about how he is mixed. The black thing got him as far as he needed it to.

246 phoenixgirl  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:38:07pm

mccain better win then....if obama does, we could quite frankly be doomed.

247 maximoso  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:38:18pm

re: #203 hermeneutics

Your hedge is right. Republicans vote predictably and always in greater numbers than expected. The center is shrinking.

Haven't you lied to a pollster? I have.

You mean you actually talk to em. If I did - I'd probably lie - but I prefer to turn the other direction or let he phone go to voice mail.

248 hermeneutics  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:38:19pm

re: #221 CapeCoddah

Even I am not that hopeful ... but ... well ... hope and change!

249 really grumpy big dog johnson  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:38:33pm

re: #105 tokyobk

There will also be a big, big bus undering for serious leftists. Obama is going white and going center...

There's not even the slightest chance of that. He is who he is.

250 TN_Vol  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:38:37pm

re: #187 Ward Cleaver

I don't disagree. However it is the voters that are paying, not the respective state parties. The delegates and party officials will still be able to go to Denver for free food and drinks and the voters who didn't have anything to do with the decision get screwed.

As badly as the Democrats handled this situation are we supposed to believe that they are smart enough to somehow create jobs, save the environment, cure male pattern baldness, blah blah blah, etc., etc.

251 mama winger  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:38:44pm

re: #234 EC Marm

Not fired, given a couple of weeks off. If he keeps his mouth shut and behaves, he'll be back. Unless people in that area keep writing letters to the Cardinal.

I don't think he'll be back. I think he's being eased out.

252 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:38:51pm
253 DistantThunder  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:38:52pm

re: #229 cblesz

Pardon me...I just got back up on my chair and wiped my mouth from the vomit. I cannot beleive this guy has a chance to be President, with a majority as well. Be prepared...increase in payroll taxes, increase in cap gains taxes, increase in income taxes as he lets the tax cuts expire, weaker military, universal healthcare (of which you will all pay for), drivers licenses for illegal immigrants and paid college education for said illegal immigrants (of which we will pay for). Oh, don't forget the ability to appoint at least two more Ruth Bader Ginsburgs to the supremem court. Basically, I told my wife to strap in, because we are in big trouble. Barack Obama is Jimmy Carter without the hick accent...

Universal health Care cost saving tip straight from Canada:

Reports and complaints continue that Canadian hospitals are reusing disposable equipment.

Great.

254 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:39:08pm

re: #200 Jetpilot1101

My success in life is not contingent on who occupies the White House. Bring it on Barry, I made it through 8 years of Bill Clinton, I can do 8 years of you standing on my head!

There's a lot more at stake now. The war in Iraq, Iran may be close to getting nukes, the commies are getting more of a toehold in South America, etc.

255 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:39:15pm

re: #212 buzzsawmonkey

Don't you believe it. Half the voting public thinks Carter is a nice old poop who builds houses for the needy--and they agree with him that Israel should join Obama's grandma under the bus wheels.


Maybe so, we'll see, but Carter has a way of turning a lot of "moderate, fence sitters" off. He's not a winner. But we'll see.

256 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:39:35pm
257 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:39:41pm

re: #239 Peacekeeper

Ben and Jerry's sold out to Unilever Corporation- it's OK to eat it now.

Yeah...ate some chunky monkey once. had a little pint (single serving in my world) looked at the nutritional info, oh, only 350 calories? cool.

FOUR FREAKIN' SERVINGS. 1400 calories. Well, as soon as I finished off that pint, I stopped eating it.

258 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:39:47pm

re: #241 mama winger

Our troops may have a differing opinion on that.

Mama, I am a "troop" and I think we'll do just fine. The one thing that Vietnam taught thickheaded moonbat liberals is that "spitting" on the troops and bending them over doesn't work. I don't see Barry really screwing the military all that hard.

259 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:40:02pm
260 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:40:09pm

re: #253 DistantThunder

Universal health Care cost saving tip straight from Canada:

Reports and complaints continue that Canadian hospitals are reusing disposable equipment.

Great.

We'll go them one better under Hillary/ Obama care. We'll dispose reusable equipment

261 DistantThunder  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:40:13pm

re: #254 Ward Cleaver

There's a lot more at stake now. The war in Iraq, Iran may be close to getting nukes, the commies are getting more of a toehold in South America, etc.

But we paid for Bill's incompetence with 911. Now the stakes are higher.

262 Lively  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:40:32pm

Dear Hillary,

Hey, hey, hey Goodbye

263 mama winger  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:40:41pm

re: #258 Jetpilot1101

Mama, I am a "troop" and I think we'll do just fine. The one thing that Vietnam taught thickheaded moonbat liberals is that "spitting" on the troops and bending them over doesn't work. I don't see Barry really screwing the military all that hard.

I do. And I think he will act foolishly and without regard for consequences.

264 tokyobk  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:40:41pm

re: #249 really grumpy big dog johnson

Obama will play up his mixed-racedness and position himself as an uber-american whose immigrant background gives him a special love for America... He will emphasize himself as the union of white and black.

265 father_of_10  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:40:51pm

re: #230 wrenchwench

It's not too late! Go vote for Steve Pearce! Wilson is a RINO!

Handled.

266 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:40:52pm

re: #253 DistantThunder

Reports and complaints continue that Canadian hospitals are reusing disposable equipment.

Recycling! That's good, don't you understand?! We should recycle everything... syringes, what have you...

267 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:40:57pm

re: #259 NJDhockeyfan

You really need a content warning on something like that.

268 Intrepid  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:41:17pm

re: #221 CapeCoddah

I cannot believe im saying this, But, I think Massachusetts may go McCain. We elected an Obamaidiot as governor here, and he is doing nothing but pissing EVERYONE off regularly. Including a 99.99% democratic legislature. Im thinking the morons here may have figured this out. Then again, I still believe in Santa..

But, but....you mean there's no Santy?

:-(.....

269 jamgarr  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:41:30pm

Another thought - an OC ticket would double the odds of an Iranian Tomahawkfest.

270 republic  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:41:35pm

I'm going to the range, this is all going to work out exactly how it all works out.

I'm going to build upon things which I have control, like my trigger squeeze and my gross motor skills.

Later all, play nice.

271 hermeneutics  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:41:46pm

re: #223 buzzsawmonkey

I had a pollster call ONCE. Three weeks ago.

272 DistantThunder  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:41:46pm

re: #264 tokyobk

Obama will play up his mixed-racedness and position himself as an uber-american whose immigrant background gives him a special love for America... He will emphasize himself as the union of white and black.

And he will embolden the enemy because they will see it as a sign that a true Muslim at birth is president.

273 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:41:47pm
274 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:41:53pm
275 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:42:02pm

re: #239 Peacekeeper

Ben and Jerry's sold out to Unilever Corporation- it's OK to eat it now.


It's about time. I really love their stuff. However, my diet may suffer. Oh well, it's for a good cause.

276 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:42:04pm

re: #254 Ward Cleaver

There's a lot more at stake now. The war in Iraq, Iran may be close to getting nukes, the commies are getting more of a toehold in South America, etc.

Agreed and I have no doubt that we'll pay for electing Obama a la 9/11 for Clinton's missteps, but we will survive and we will prevail. In 50 years, Obama and Carter will be remembered as the two worst presidents in the history of the US.

277 Lively  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:42:15pm

re: #264 tokyobk

Obama will play up his mixed-racedness and position himself as an uber-american whose immigrant background gives him a special love for America... He will emphasize himself as the union of white and black.


That will definitely make Michelle proud.

278 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:42:20pm
279 hermeneutics  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:42:27pm

re: #247 maximoso

Lie, my dear. Its a moral good.

280 mama winger  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:42:29pm

re: #266 Occasional Reader

Recycling! That's good, don't you understand?! We should recycle everything... syringes, what have you...

Catheters, surgical sponges, gauze, - the possibilities for going green are endless!

281 'Nam Grunt  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:42:35pm

Y'all need to chill, if Republicans would get off their a$$es and vote I don't see a problem, the majority of this Country are Conservatives!

282 bcgirl  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:42:49pm

GOD, I know you are in control and YOU have a plan that none of us can begin to understand, but please GOD help US,, do not let us come that much closer the the return of the calipate, one step closer to Sharia law in America,, our children's childrens children, will pay for this,

now more than ever MC CAIN FOR PRESIDENT

283 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:43:06pm

re: #267 Fat Jolly Penguin

You really need a content warning on something like that.

Heh. Here's another one...Obama Girl

284 ghost707  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:43:07pm

The TV networks will now start calling him President Obama.
McCain won't be mentioned at all until after he loses the election in November.

285 wolfie  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:43:10pm

re: #233 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I live 30 miles from Blacksburg VA. Every time I see VT...ah...dagnabbit!

Me, too, FBV ! :D

286 EC Marm  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:43:14pm

Obitchuary - when people write Hillary off too soon.

287 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:43:17pm

re: #254 Ward Cleaver

There's a lot more at stake now. The war in Iraq, Iran may be close to getting nukes, the commies are getting more of a toehold in South North America, etc.

288 Inquisitive  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:43:24pm

My chest is tight and I am having a hard time breathing--did someone say something about a PANIC ROOM!
Me thinks the demo's have gone crazy!

289 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:43:25pm

Anyone else think Bobby Jindals phone just rang?

290 hermeneutics  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:43:28pm

re: #278 song_and_dance_man

There is too much at stake with this election and it would behoove the conservatives to reject the play-nice policy we seem to entertain during campaigns. The left will accuse us of foul play anyway so let's come out with both guns blazing.

YES!

291 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:43:30pm
292 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:43:32pm

re: #271 hermeneutics

I had a pollster call ONCE. Three weeks ago.

"I ate his liver with fava beans and a nice chianti."

293 MJ  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:43:40pm

Jimmy Obama and the Carterites gladly accept the nomination.

294 DistantThunder  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:43:41pm

Ebony and Ivory

sing it, everyone........

295 NY Nana  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:43:43pm

re: #157 sattv4u2

(not only Roxbury, but most of Dorchester, Mattapan and Roslindale)

CAMBRIDGE? You HAVE to be joking. If McCain gets more than 35% there, that alone would be a "win"

I agree re Cambridge...I am shocked re Roslindale, and knew that Dorchester and Mattapan were very different than when I was a kid, and we called Blue Hill Ave. 'Jew Hill Ave'....so many of my Mum's zt'l cousins lived there, in Chelsea, and Mishkan Tefila was there. It moved to Chestnut Hill when I was in my teens. We lived nearby, in Newton.

MyDad's zt'l family were all on the North Shore.

Most of the maternal cousins had moved to Brookline, etc, by then, and NY, and a few to FL and CA, and 1 to Ottawa, with her family, where her husband, who is now retired, was a Rabbi.

A very different world. We have been in NY for decades.

296 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:43:51pm

re: #243 father_of_10

Go vote! Wilson was against the Real ID act, and she was for driver's licenses for illegals. Steve Pearce hangs out with Sue Myrick!

Go vote!

297 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:43:54pm

re: #263 mama winger

I do. And I think he will act foolishly and without regard for consequences.

Since I have every intention of continuing to frequent LGF and I assume you do as well, we shall probably resolve this argument in the not too distant future. I'm not going anywhere and I'm sure Charles isn't either.

298 Widow'smight  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:43:59pm

re: #231 Jetpilot1101


Besides, if our Country sucks, the whole world is going with us.

I agree with you, unless Obama can send Storm Troopers to everyone's house and steal our guns and wimmen, we'll survive. Besides, there are currently 60 dem Reps from districts President Bush carried in 2004. Don't think they'll vote themselves out of office.

299 CapeCoddah  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:44:00pm

re: #244 sattv4u2

300 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:44:20pm
301 tokyobk  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:44:26pm

re: #272 DistantThunder

And he will embolden the enemy because they will see it as a sign that a true Muslim at birth is president.


Perhaps. But, I am just saying what I think his strategy to win in the general will be.

Obama is showing himself to be a very skilled politician and master of image. He used the idea of a first black president to exite the left but will start playing up his deep american plus immigrant roots to win generally.

Again, if McCain just sits back and watches the show, he loses.

302 hermeneutics  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:44:26pm

re: #286 EC Marm

Good one!

303 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:44:31pm

re: #294 DistantThunder

Ebony and Ivory

sing it, everyone........

There are times that you are just not very nice.

304 mama winger  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:44:55pm

Conceivably, Obama could pick Carter for Veep.

305 maximoso  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:44:59pm

re: #240 Occasional Reader

Obama will be bring about the kind of progressive change that this country so desperately needs to avoid. We cannot rely on the failed policies of the past; we have to work together to move forward, to the future. He is the right man for our country, our time. He is the one we've been waiting for.

/scratching at the place they just put the chip in my neck

You're right. WE don't need failed policies of teh past. Why does Barack Obama want to bring us back to Jimmy Carter days again?

Barack Obama is a Marxist. His policies aren't new - they have been tried all over this planet - and it leads to misery for the masses. Pull out some history books - it's no secret that Marxism doesn't work.

306 CapeCoddah  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:45:01pm

re: #244 sattv4u2
Saw it, But Mass is not just Boston.

307 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:45:11pm

re: #265 father_of_10

Handled.

oh, ignore my next one then. Sorry.

/ I was about to offer to babysit!

308 snowcrash  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:45:14pm

re: #300 ploome hineni
But do they make something like Cherry Garcia?

309 father_of_10  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:45:16pm

re: #296 wrenchwench

Go vote! Wilson was against the Real ID act, and she was for driver's licenses for illegals. Steve Pearce hangs out with Sue Myrick!

Go vote!

Wife came back chided me for not voting, so I went down gave Heather the thumbs down.

We're in G-Town, where are you?

310 hermeneutics  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:45:18pm

re: #295 NY Nana

zt'l?

311 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:45:18pm

re: #231 Jetpilot1101

"sucked" is a relative term. Life only sucks if you allow it to suck. I'm not saying that 8 years of Barry will be fun but they'll be bearable. While I hate to say this, America may need a modern day "Jimmy Carter" to wake her up and realize that socialism/communism/environmentalism/bla ck liberation theologyism etc. etc. don't f-ing work!

Well, if you're in an Israeli city targeted by Iran, well, I don't think you have a choice on how much being nuked would suck.

With Obama, Iran gets nukes. And they won't just be used on Israel.
Unless of course, Obamahdi just goes and surrenders.

312 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:45:21pm

re: #295 NY Nana

The Jews have left (to Peabody Newton and Wellesley, I think)

Blue Hill Ave is all black. Chelsea is all Hispanic and Vietnamese

313 'Nam Grunt  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:45:23pm

It only costs $4 to get you to the polls, stop bitching and get out and vote in Nov., it's your duty!

314 bulwrk  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:45:25pm

re: #258 Jetpilot1101

Mama, I am a "troop" and I think we'll do just fine. The one thing that Vietnam taught thickheaded moonbat liberals is that "spitting" on the troops and bending them over doesn't work. I don't see Barry really screwing the military all that hard.


Oh I see him slashing the DOD budget to pay for lavish social programs.

315 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:45:28pm
316 NY Nana  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:45:33pm

re: #189 song_and_dance_man

Have mercy! It is almost dinner time here. ;)

317 Dave the.....  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:45:39pm

I've been spending some time on the Mpls papers discussion boards today. It's like a Zombie event on there. We have the anti-Semitic guy who says Jews control the nation. The guy who keeps coming on and saying McCain collaborated with the North Vietnemese. Some Democrats who are mainstream....for their party. McCain folks....both sane and a couple over-the-top ones.

Most noticable thing.....Obama supporters can't really say what makes him qualified. They just attack McCain.

318 tokyobk  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:45:56pm

re: #277 Lively

That will definitely make Michelle proud.

Actually, I seriously think she is going to be shocked most of all by how much of a regular happy all-American dude who loves apple pie and the fourth who talks like a white guy even that she married. Wath for the white family to come out from under the bus.

319 GeeWiz  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:46:09pm

When one considers the massive egos of WAB and HRC, does anyone here actually think that the WAB would allow the Bama man to give HRC the VP slot? Share offices in the White House? I sincerely doubt it. As big as the White House is, it isn't big enough to contain the egos of both candidates and their spouses.

320 father_of_10  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:46:11pm

re: #307 wrenchwench

oh, ignore my next one then. Sorry.

/ I was about to offer to babysit!

Babysit! I need to go vote aga, and I will need to vote Friday night too! Call me!

321 DistantThunder  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:46:23pm

re: #303 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There are times that you are just not very nice.

re: #303 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There are times that you are just not very nice.

I think this should be Obama's and HIllary's campaign theme.

322 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:46:30pm

re: #306 CapeCoddah

Saw it, But Mass is not just Boston.

I know that, but I was answering someone else that stated Mccain could take Boston and Cambridge

323 hermeneutics  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:46:58pm

re: #308 snowcrash

That's the best darn icecream in the universe. Just thinking about it makes me want to jump in my car, drive the 37 miles to the nearest town, and EAT.

324 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:47:06pm

re: #295 NY Nana

I agree re Cambridge...I am shocked re Roslindale, and knew that Dorchester and Mattapan were very different than when I was a kid, and we called Blue Hill Ave. 'Jew Hill Ave'....so many of my Mum's zt'l cousins lived there, in Chelsea, and Mishkan Tefila was there. It moved to Chestnut Hill when I was in my teens. We lived nearby, in Newton.

MyDad's zt'l family were all on the North Shore.

Most of the maternal cousins had moved to Brookline, etc, by then, and NY, and a few to FL and CA, and 1 to Ottawa, with her family, where her husband, who is now retired, was a Rabbi.

A very different world. We have been in NY for decades.

I grew up on Blue Hill ave. By high school, we moved near Mattapan Square, so I could stay in Boston Latin.
But earlier, on the High Holy Days, Blue Hill Ave was wall-to-wall Jews. We went to Kehillath Jacob, on Fessenden St.

325 NY Nana  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:47:28pm

re: #288 Inquisitive


Me thinks the demo's have gone are crazy!

Fixed it for you.

326 'Nam Grunt  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:47:40pm

Make it a tailgate party and be there with your friends before the polls open, nothing like the smell of ribs and voting Republican. ;-)

327 nacazo  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:47:45pm

re: #140 Peacekeeper

It's simple political necessity. They have to join up or they split their base. Hillary ain't got any other job prospects or any self respect either. It's not like being junior senator to Chuck Schumer is her ambition in life.

It's a no-brainer for Hillary to be the Dem VP candidate. If the democrats lose, she goes back to the Senate as Lieberman. If the Dems happen to win, AND Obama stays in office for eight years (scary!) then she would be the heir-apparent and become the Dem candidate as Bush I was after Reagan.

328 DistantThunder  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:47:50pm

I'm off to the polls to vote for against Senior Senator Lautenberg, but I'm wondering if I should vote for his Democrat opponent.

329 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:48:30pm
330 hermeneutics  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:48:56pm

re: #318 tokyobk

You are very insightful about race and society, Tokyo. I've learned a lot from you.

331 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:49:14pm

re: #329 ploome hineni

I am not a cherry garcia kinda girl

I like nuts

must ,,,,,, not ,,,,,,,, respond ,,,,,,, less ,,,,,, I ,,,, get ,,,, banned ,,,, (or smacked )

332 maximoso  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:49:31pm

re: #258 Jetpilot1101

Mama, I am a "troop" and I think we'll do just fine. The one thing that Vietnam taught thickheaded moonbat liberals is that "spitting" on the troops and bending them over doesn't work. I don't see Barry really screwing the military all that hard.

Apparently you missed his Youtube video about his massive cuts for Military Budget. Starting with nuclear - then missle defense - later downsizing the troop levels.

With the Democrats in congress for just over a year - we've already had major budget cuts at a Nuclear Research firm called Fermi-Lab. So much for expanding Science. If it's not a wind turbine or some other technology that won't work - Leftists aren't interested.

333 Dave the.....  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:49:32pm

I hope for a McCain victory in November, and gridlock in Washington after that. That last thing I want to hear is "the bill had bi-partison support".

334 mikalm  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:49:48pm

re: #317 Dave the.....

Most noticable thing.....Obama supporters can't really say what makes him qualified.

Change!

335 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:49:59pm

re: #311 Kosh's Shadow

Well, if you're in an Israeli city targeted by Iran, well, I don't think you have a choice on how much being nuked would suck.

With Obama, Iran gets nukes. And they won't just be used on Israel.
Unless of course, Obamahdi just goes and surrenders.


Believe me, I am not thrilled about this turn of events and I happen to agree with you that Iran could get nukes and use them if Obama is elected and follows through on his foreign policy ideas.

My point was that while there may be trials in your life and the possibility of significant harm coming to you and those you love, I firmly believe that you can still make the most out of each day you are blessed with and live it like it is your last. Your outlook on life is your choice regardless of the circumstances surrounding it.

336 hermeneutics  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:50:05pm

re: #329 ploome hineni

Smile. Me too.

337 CapeCoddah  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:50:07pm

re: #322 sattv4u2
YIPES, sorry, misread that one. McCain will NOT take Boston or Cambridge. Moonbat worldwide headquarters.

338 bill in tx  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:50:09pm

An Obama presidency would be a failure and a colossal embarrassment to America and (delightfully) the Democrats. I would actually be scared if Obama gets elected. I've never felt that way about a candidate before.

But, look on the bright side. It's a golden opportunity to shatter the idealism of an entire generation of young (immature) voters. It's over-reliance on idealism that got Obama where he is. We might as well nip that one in the bud right now.

McCain will likely rip him to shreds in any real contest. McCain should be worried about a backlash though, you know being too harsh on the little "Irish boy" as our man Kinky called him.

339 psyop  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:50:19pm

Go McCain!

Now it gets fun.....

340 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:50:21pm
341 NY Nana  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:50:51pm

re: #312 sattv4u2

The Jews have left (to Peabody Newton and Wellesley, I think)

Blue Hill Ave is all black. Chelsea is all Hispanic and Vietnamese

Also Brookline, which has most of the kosher facilities. Wellesly? like Newton it was restricted when I was a kid. We couldn't move to Newton until I was 13.

I can't get over the changes. I hear that Revere is also very different.

342 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:51:17pm

re: #314 bulwrk

Oh I see him slashing the DOD budget to pay for lavish social programs.


Possibly but remember he can't piss off too many of the people who depend on the DOD for work or they will turn against him. Social programs for the poor aren't going to be popular with the guy who just lost his job.

343 'Nam Grunt  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:51:18pm

Best ice cream in the world is Blue Bell from the Republic of Texas, we treat our cows gently! LOLOL

344 A Kiwi Infidel  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:51:24pm

re: #336 hermeneutics

Smile. Me too.

Must.........resist............temptation......... ...to...........respond..........................a hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

345 Anthony (Los Angeles)  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:51:34pm

But how does this help Michelle's kids?

346 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:51:50pm
347 A Kiwi Infidel  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:52:35pm

re: #344 A Kiwi Infidel

Aw, what the heck.............with hair?

348 tokyobk  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:52:53pm

re: #330 hermeneutics

You are very insightful about race and society, Tokyo. I've learned a lot from you.


Oh. Thanks. I grew up around a lot of other mixed raced people at schools like Obama`s and I know how they negotiate, me too I confess, using all angles, especially when trying to negotiate with white people. As crass as that sounds, because it is and was, I can feel how Obama is playing his white audience. But I know John McCain is the right choice and I do not want to see him get played. Underestimating Obamas skill at ppolitics, especially race politics, will get him owned.

349 hermeneutics  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:53:03pm

re: #344 A Kiwi Infidel

DO NOT RESPOND, KIWI. JUST DON'T DO IT. RESTRAIN YOURSELF.

Okay, go ahead ...

350 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:53:18pm

re: #341 NY Nana

Also Brookline, which has most of the kosher facilities. Wellesly? like Newton it was restricted when I was a kid. We couldn't move to Newton until I was 13.

I can't get over the changes. I hear that Revere is also very different.

That fact flabbergasts me: that neighborhoods were restricted.

351 A Kiwi Infidel  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:54:01pm

re: #347 A Kiwi Infidel

Aw, what the heck.............with hair?

Like, I mean...........

352 Adrenalyn  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:54:11pm

in case no one else mentioned this earlier

Charles, one minor correction, if I may

his name is really

Barak Hussein Obama

and we should maybe refer to him as that
as we did Hillary Rodham Clinton

353 calcajun  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:54:25pm

re: #137 Adrenalyn

Here is my prediction. McCain wins a close race and the GOP gets hammered like never before in the down-ticket elections.

The loss of three traditional GOP House seats in special elections, coupled with the Dems running "purple" candidates - social liberals/ fiscal and foreign policy conservatives- will pay off as it did in 2006. But, the vast majority of Americans are not ready for a far left liberal president, irrespective of his skin hue.

Barry. He's Jimmy Carter without the faith. He's John Kerry without the legislative experience. He's Mike Dukakis without the executive experience. He's Walter Mondale without the.... Yep, he's Walter Mondale.

With apologies to John Landis' "Trading Places". Hillary awakes tomorrow morning and sees Bill next to her.

Oh Bill, I've had the most absurd nightmare. I split the party and no one liked me. I lost the nomination, I lost my own money. The media hated me. And it was all because of this terrible, awful Negro.

354 GeeWiz  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:54:43pm

re: #262 Lively

Dear Hillary,

Hey, hey, hey Goodbye

A little trivia here, the group in the video you posted never recorded that song. The song was recorded by a couple of studio musicians after a late night recording session just fooling around. When the song became a hit, the group was formed for touring purposes. I really need to get a life.

355 hermeneutics  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:54:45pm

re: #348 tokyobk

As a white person, though atypical, I really don't understand what there is to negotiate. I don't feel any of this. Really!

356 A Kiwi Infidel  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:54:58pm

re: #349 hermeneutics

DO NOT RESPOND, KIWI. JUST DON'T DO IT. RESTRAIN YOURSELF.

Okay, go ahead ...

I wonder if you could veet one of these?

357 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:55:21pm

re: #337 CapeCoddah

YIPES, sorry, misread that one. McCain will NOT take Boston or Cambridge. Moonbat worldwide headquarters.

I think I miswrote the original, because I meant that Obama would take Boston and Cambridge. Other cities may be different.
There are also moonbat towns that will go for Obama, but places that could go to McCain.

358 Richard Romano  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:55:50pm

re: #18 hermeneutics

But what if people vote for him because they think everyone else will? The media will go into a complete frenzy to ensure his election; this is not counting Mr. Soros, who will pour millions to try to discredit McCain and advance the leftist agenda.

I'm worried guys.

359 Killian Bundy  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:56:16pm

re: #314 bulwrk

Oh I see him slashing the DOD budget to pay for lavish social programs.

/in his own words

360 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:56:48pm

re: #241 mama winger

Our troops may have a differing opinion on that.

No shit. If BHO wins, look for people to start leaving the military in droves.

361 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:56:54pm

re: #353 calcajun

Yep, he's Walter Mondale

But with (inexplicable) charisma. That's the problem. I am not, at all, counting out a sound McCain victory. But it won't be an easy thing; and WE ALL have our work cut out for us.

362 hermeneutics  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:56:54pm

re: #356 A Kiwi Infidel

Not my type. Sorry!

363 Random_Lizard  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:57:05pm

Thanks super leftist moonbat liberals, I'll be voting republican in the next presidential election!

364 Dave the.....  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:57:44pm

You know, if it wasn't for the judges and the WOT, I almost would like to see Obama win, and then set up 2010 as another 1994. Republicans need a kick in the ass.

Unfortunately, this isn't the 1990's...we can't afford two years of ultra liberal control.

365 U.S.S. Nixon  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:58:00pm

Thank you Democrats... In a year we should lose by double digits you pick a racist liberal elitist with home grown terrorist ties. You have out done yourself this year.

366 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:58:01pm
367 A Kiwi Infidel  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:58:44pm

re: #362 hermeneutics

Not my type. Sorry!

I think I'm just trying to get myself out of a hole without continuing to dig. I may just have to wait for a new thread.

368 'Nam Grunt  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:59:02pm

re: #360 Ward Cleaver

Look for Iraq to be even worse than Cambodia, you think the world hates us now, just wait until the moonbats are running the GWoT!

369 Adrenalyn  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:59:17pm

re: #333 Dave the.....

I hope for a McCain victory in November, and gridlock in Washington after that. That last thing I want to hear is "the bill had bi-partisan support".


any republican talking about being "bi-partisan"
is only being an appeaser, if you ask me

the democrats need to be taken down a peg or three
they're only getting bolder at talk of bo-partisanship and bringing civility back to DC

Bush tried, genuinely
and see where it got him
they tossed it all back in his face
problem is, he never learned from it

370 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:59:24pm

All of McCain's pandering to Hispanics may well pay off, he seems quite popular among the Latinos that I know, most of whom usually vote Democrat.

If McCain can get 35 to 40% of the Hispanic vote he might be able to win California.

371 hermeneutics  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:59:48pm

re: #358 Richard Romano

Richard, The media will froth and foam ... and they'll reach some, but not all. The media just isn't as pervasive as it was in the last election, but it is still mighty.

The alterntive media, though, is thriving -- Internet, talkradio, cable tv.

I hope it is a battle royale between the old media and our new media. If this is the case, we win. (Besides that, we have more children. One of mine can vote in November! YES WE CAN).

372 NY Nana  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:59:48pm

re: #324 Kosh's Shadow

I grew up on Blue Hill ave. By high school, we moved near Mattapan Square, so I could stay in Boston Latin.
But earlier, on the High Holy Days, Blue Hill Ave was wall-to-wall Jews. We went to Kehillath Jacob, on Fessenden St.

I got into Girls Latin, but did not want to go, for which I think I was never forgiven...my boy cousins went to Boys Latin. We were in Brighton. My parents actually had me go, as a tuition student, to the Edward Devotion School in Brookline, for 2 years til we moved to Newton. The junior high in Brighton was not very good. I went to school in newton from age 13, and graduated from NHS in '55, when there was only 1 High School.

We belonged to Ohabei Shalom, in Brookline anyway, and I had a lot of friends there from my childhood on.

I loved going to visit family in Mattapan and Dorchester, and going to Blue Hill Ave.as a kid! I don't really remember where it was that we went though; too long ago! ;)

373 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 2:59:49pm

re: #309 father_of_10

Wife came back chided me for not voting, so I went down gave Heather the thumbs down.

We're in G-Town, where are you?

re: #320 father_of_10

Babysit! I need to go vote aga, and I will need to vote Friday night too! Call me!

I'm in an undisclosed corner of the state. It's a very long drive from you, in Steve Pearce's district (as you may have guessed). If you bring the kids here.....

374 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:00:32pm

Adios Lizards, I have a simulator even to study for.

Keep your chins up, a lot can happen in 5 months. Stay positive and I guarantee you we'll all get through this.

I can't wait for the debate threads and the election night thread on LGF!

375 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:00:39pm

The biggest challenge for the GOP (and ultimately America) is getting past the fawning media.

OTOH, the media like to play kingmaker...

376 DeathtotheSwiss  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:00:49pm

In theory, and at least at present if nothing new comes up on McCain, and Barrack's illicit associations keep being uncovered...this should be a good thing. I know my democrat wife and in-laws are all planning on voting for McCain this year.

So...smack every Republican who says he can't vote for my favorite RINO and point to Iraq, Afghanistan and the greater fight. McCain might not be ideal, but he's the best chance we have.

377 NY Nana  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:00:53pm

re: #343 'Nam Grunt

Best ice cream in the world is Blue Bell from the Republic of Texas, we treat our cows gently! LOLOL

And we northerners now can get it here!

378 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:01:14pm

re: #368 'Nam Grunt

Look for Iraq to be even worse than Cambodia, you think the world hates us now, just wait until the moonbats are running the GWoT!

Is it running it if you just surrender, or quit? Because that's what the moonbats are demanding.

379 Richard Romano  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:01:31pm

re: #371 hermeneutics

Richard, The media will froth and foam ... and they'll reach some, but not all. The media just isn't as pervasive as it was in the last election, but it is still mighty.

The alterntive media, though, is thriving -- Internet, talkradio, cable tv.

I hope it is a battle royale between the old media and our new media. If this is the case, we win. (Besides that, we have more children. One of mine can vote in November! YES WE CAN).

Okay -- I'll stay positive! Go McCain!

380 'Nam Grunt  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:01:38pm

re: #377 NY Nana

Yayyyyyy!

381 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:02:11pm

re: #374 Jetpilot1101

Adios Lizards, I have a simulator even to study for.

Keep your chins up, a lot can happen in 5 months. Stay positive and I guarantee you we'll all get through this.

I can't wait for the debate threads and the election night thread on LGF!

Okay, I am almost convinced you ARE my brother--is your first initial a K?

382 Wendya  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:02:17pm

re: #5 Alouette

I'm sure Hillary still has a trick or two up her sleeve. It ain't over till it's over.

It ain't over until they vote at the convention. Anything could happen between now and then.

383 jorline  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:02:27pm

And the winner is................................................ ...........

384 Q  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:02:35pm

re: #376 DeathtotheSwiss

Best chance of what?

385 itellu3times  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:03:22pm

re: #18 hermeneutics

Hey, he's the weaker candidate! We should be rejoicing for when McCain wins -- which is more certain now -- Israel and the United States will be protected from radical Islam.

I sure hope so.

Obama may have been one of the few candidates who could defeat the Hildabeast, and yet be one of the few candidates who McCain can defeat.

Sure hope so ...

386 wolfie  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:05:06pm

re: #318 tokyobk

Tokyo, I was sorry you weren't on the thread about the Puerto Rican primary.
Hillary won there by almost as big a margin as she did in WVA.

I am purely speculating here, mind you, but I think the appeal Obama has to whites is (so far) confined to race-obsessed, class-conscious, prosperous liberals.

Appalachia is mostly white, whereas Puerto Rico is very mixed. The two places are very, very different. The one thing the people as a whole have in common is that they don't feel guilty.

No guilt? Nobama.

387 hermeneutics  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:05:13pm

Charles,

Lets make LGF "ELECTION HEADQUARTERS" in 2008. Can we do it? Some cool graphics, nice interactive maps ... oh, you know.

We'll all show up. Promise.

388 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:05:30pm

I THINK WE SHOULD ALL PANIC, AND RUN AROUND WITH NO PANTS ON.

Who's with me?

389 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:05:43pm

re: #343 'Nam Grunt

Best ice cream in the world is Blue Bell from the Republic of Texas, we treat our cows gently! LOLOL

Yes, it is the best! I don't even buy anything else.

390 Dave the.....  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:05:43pm

NRO had an interesting take on the election......Americans want McCain to be President, but they don't want a Republican. They want to vote for a Democrat this year, but don't want Obama.

391 itellu3times  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:06:12pm

re: #354 GeeWiz

A little trivia here, the group in the video you posted never recorded that song. The song was recorded by a couple of studio musicians after a late night recording session just fooling around. When the song became a hit, the group was formed for touring purposes. I really need to get a life.

I dinnah no that. Video sure looks like a lip sync.

392 pyrodoctor  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:06:13pm

re: #37 hermeneutics

The worst case scenario is Obama choosing Clinton for his veep. Pray it doesn't happen.

I agree. But you guys need to lighten up a bit. How can BO be worse than HRC? Do you want a real liberal or a closet liberal? IMHO, the pro HRC comments of most of the people on this board's merely reflect their deep seated wish for the Dems to lose the election. BO stands a decent chance of getting elected, which probably terrifies people on this board. Better chance of getting elected than HRC in my opinion.

Rather than whining about it pressure should be applied to get him to put together a decent team, since in reality the Pres doesn't have nearly the power that everyone thinks he does. The people that he surrounds himself with have a hell of a lot of influence on the way things go.

BO has been chastised enough with his Pastor Disasters that I'm sure he will be very careful of who he chooses. Hopefully not HRC and all the associated baggage that goes with that.

393 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:06:17pm

re: #384 Q

Best chance of what?

Slowing down the train on the tracks that run parallel to The Highway to Hell.

It's been the main purpose of my voting career.

It's always going to come down to a choice between a Turd Sandwich and a Giant Douche.

394 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:06:31pm
395 jorline  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:06:46pm

Now it's time to take the gloves off

396 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:06:49pm
397 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:07:06pm

re: #388 Occasional Reader

I THINK WE SHOULD ALL PANIC, AND RUN AROUND WITH NO PANTS ON.

Who's with me?

In other words, Standard Operating Procedure? No problemo!

398 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:07:27pm
399 hermeneutics  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:07:43pm

re: #385 itellu3times

I hope so, too. Generally I'm optimistic but sometimes I'm consumed with fear and doubt -- or in the Bible/Kierkegaard's words, fear and trembling (phobos et tremos).

400 hermeneutics  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:08:00pm

re: #388 Occasional Reader

Alone again, OR?

401 calcajun  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:08:34pm

re: #398 song_and_dance_man

What? No Jello?

402 pyrodoctor  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:08:46pm

re: #102 song_and_dance_man

2012 here we come.

I doubt it. If she loses this year she will be branded a loser and they won't want to have her back.

403 Fasternu426  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:08:57pm

re: #343 'Nam Grunt

Best ice cream in the world is Blue Bell from the Republic of Texas, we treat our cows gently! LOLOL

re: #377 NY Nana

And we northerners now can get it here!


MMMMMM! Bluebell! Eat all they can and sell the rest!
I used to live in Brenham!

404 SlartyBartfast  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:09:03pm

re: #54 mama winger

Speaking of Obama, my dog has to poop. bbl

Speaking of poop...

It appears that the MSM has poured enough syrup on this particular dog turd that the Democratic Party has declared, "It's a PANCAKE!" and are going to attempt to sell it to the American People.

Prediction...

McCain will win and win BIG, followed by a tsunami of whining from the Left.

405 Shifty  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:09:21pm

I think she's sticking around long enough to see if that michelle obama going off on whitey tape is real.

406 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:09:40pm

re: #343 'Nam Grunt

Best ice cream in the world is Blue Bell from the Republic of Texas, we treat our cows gently! LOLOL

I wouldn't know if Ben & Jerry's is good or not. I never see Ben & Jerry's at any grocery store. Is it under the mountains of Blue Bell?

I was at a grocery store a couple of days ago and noticed they had more shelving dedicated to ice cream and its variants than anything else in the store. Just who eats all that ice cream?

407 itellu3times  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:09:41pm

re: #300 ploome hineni

now I eat Haggen Daz......without guar

HD was good before *they* were bought out, almost tasteless after, but then I haven't tried them in years. Good again?

Really, Baskin-Robbins is pretty good.

Not like when I lived across the street from the farm where they pretty much milked the cow and froze it on the spot, but dang that stuff would melt all over your hand faster than you could eat it, no matter how good it was.

408 nikis-knight  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:09:46pm

re: #201 tokyobk

If McCain can go up against Obama like he is going up against Tiger Woods (this is a sport and Obama is a huge talent) and explain to the American people in very simple but forceful terms what is at stake in the world than he has a realistic shot.

Obama will play an A game all the way through.

Yeah, since he's been doing so great so far.
It'd take imaginary sniper fire to do as poorly as Obama...

409 Fasternu426  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:10:13pm

re: #404 SlartyBartfast

the Democratic Party has declared, "It's a PANCAKE!" WAFFLE! and are going to attempt to sell it to the American People.

410 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:10:23pm
411 BellaBello  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:10:35pm

Somewhere MEchelle Oblahma is thinking..thank you whitey.

412 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:10:35pm

re: #392 pyrodoctor

BHO hasn't learned anything, and he will take advice from conservatives the day Hell freezes over. He has a lot of debts to pay off, and he will have more if he wins in November.

And I agree, he has a better chance of winning than Hillary did/does, IMO. Because Hillary has supporters, and BHO has worshippers.

He will also need a good team, since he is an empty sack. But he has that, they are on the other end of his strings.

/oh, and shove that terrified and whining crap back where you got it

413 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:11:10pm

Best ice cream I've had (well, gelato, which is technically a little different) is from the local mini-chain "4D" in Lima, Peru.

414 DesertSage  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:11:11pm

re: #404 SlartyBartfast

It appears that the MSM has poured enough syrup on this particular dog turd that the Democratic Party has declared, "It's a PANCAKE!" and are going to attempt to sell it to the American People.

You meant "WAFFLE", right?

415 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:11:37pm
416 itellu3times  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:11:56pm

re: #399 hermeneutics

I hope so, too. Generally I'm optimistic but sometimes I'm consumed with fear and doubt -- or in the Bible/Kierkegaard's words, fear and trembling (phobos et tremos).

I'm more of an HST fear and loathing (res ipsa loquitur) kind of guy.

417 SagamoreGal  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:12:16pm

Denmark? Poland? Czechoslovakia? Hungary? Peru? Brazil?

Where can a U.S. citizen who may want to flee an Obama-led country move to and not bump against communists, dhimmi's and Muslims 24/7? The options are few and far between.

Hell, even Colombia is looking good right now.

418 hermeneutics  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:12:32pm

re: #416 itellu3times

Gonzo!

419 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:12:38pm
420 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:12:40pm

re: #414 DesertSage

You meant "WAFFLE", right?

Not if it's a St. Pancake!

421 Mike in Georgia  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:12:51pm

re: #406 David IV of Georgia

Holds hand up slowly.

422 jorline  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:12:57pm

re: #398 song_and_dance_man

And wrestle in the mud if we must.

Amen brother

423 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:13:02pm

re: #410 song_and_dance_man

Never would I have thunk that ice cream would be discussed on a B. Hussein thread.

It's a lot more cheerful to talk about ice cream.

424 Fasternu426  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:13:17pm

re: #417 SagamoreGal

Denmark? Poland? Czechoslovakia? Hungary? Peru? Brazil?

Where can a U.S. citizen who may want to flee an Obama-led country move to and not bump against communists, dhimmi's and Muslims 24/7? The options are few and far between.

Hell, even Colombia is looking good right now.

You're welcome here in Texas. It's like a whole other country!

425 'Nam Grunt  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:13:23pm

re: #415 song_and_dance_man

Their spines are made of sugarless green jello, they are all cowards and liars!

426 mama winger  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:13:42pm

Mud wrestlilng? Jello fights? Running around with no pants on?

No wonder I love this place.

427 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:14:19pm

re: #426 mama winger

Mud wrestlilng? Jello fights? Running around with no pants on?

No wonder I love this place.

And we all get ice cream when we're done.

428 Mike in Georgia  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:14:29pm

re: #426 mama winger

and the ice cream

429 Bosk  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:14:31pm

(In my best J. Wright voice) Bow to the False prophet of hope, the bring of loose change, the misleading messiah of racial redemption! Give him half a chance and he will RIDE YOU DIRTY!

430 DesertSage  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:14:32pm

You do realize that we're all gonna become cannibals.

431 mikalm  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:14:35pm

re: #388 Occasional Reader

Can we also Take Our Clothes Off When We Dance? (sorry, couldn't find the Zappa/Mothers original...)

432 GeeWiz  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:14:42pm

re: #404 SlartyBartfast

I so hope you are right!

433 mama winger  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:14:49pm

re: #427 Occasional Reader


I knew I should have shaved my legs today.

434 'Nam Grunt  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:14:57pm

Remember the moonbats are suffering from gas prices too, let's see how they handle it, Republicans can handle it no problem, we have jobs!

435 runrabbitrun  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:15:18pm

re: #390 Dave the.....

NRO had an interesting take on the election......Americans want McCain to be President, but they don't want a Republican.

yaaay!

if they don't want a Republican, then Americans can vote for McCain!

=/

436 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:15:54pm
437 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:15:56pm
re: #378OldLineTexan 6/03/08 3:01:14 pm

re: #368 'Nam Grunt

Look for Iraq to be even worse than Cambodia, you think the world hates us now, just wait until the moonbats are running the GWoT!

Is it running it if you just surrender, or quit? Because that's what the moonbats are demanding.

Unfortunately once in power all the anti-war rhetoric will likely give way to trying to fix things. The military will likely end up doing hairbrained unfocused "humanitarian" missions with inadequate supplies and support due to budget cuts.

438 pyrodoctor  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:15:57pm

re: #412 OldLineTexan

He will also need a good team, since he is an empty sack. But he has that, they are on the other end of his strings.

I totally agree. But BO seems to have fewer strings attached than HRC. I think that is why McCain is so abhorred by the hard core Republicans -- because he doesn't respond well to people tugging his strings.

The fact is though, that no matter who wins, we will be in for a Republocrat administration, where the moneyed interests control the show.

439 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:16:11pm

re: #417 SagamoreGal

Denmark? Poland? Czechoslovakia? Hungary? Peru? Brazil?

Where can a U.S. citizen who may want to flee an Obama-led country move to and not bump against communists, dhimmi's and Muslims 24/7? The options are few and far between.

Hell, even Colombia is looking good right now.

Eff Nobama, I am not going anywhere. I am not a Baldwin or a Sarandon, a poseur and paper tiger with the staying power of a "no food coloring added" Kool-Aid stain. I grew up in the shadow of the Greatest Generation, a group of Americans who really did save the world. How will I be worthy to stand in the presence of my forebears if I surrender their legacy to a tool of the Chicago political machine and George Soros?

440 Dianna  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:16:15pm

re: #434 'Nam Grunt

It's way easier when you don't have a long commute.

441 GeeWiz  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:16:21pm

re: #412 OldLineTexan

I like your "tude" sir. You remind me of my dad, God rest his soul.

442 jorline  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:16:24pm

re: #405 Shifty

I think she's sticking around long enough to see if that michelle obama going off on whitey tape is real.


I agree...she will suspend her candidacy at this time.

443 DesertSage  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:16:34pm

re: #434 'Nam Grunt

Remember the moonbats are suffering from gas prices too, let's see how they handle it, Republicans can handle it no problem, we have jobs!

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid promised in 2006 to fix the gas crisis if they were elected.
Two years later....and gas prices have doubled.

444 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:16:51pm

re: #425 'Nam Grunt

Their spines are made of sugarless green jello, they are all cowards and liars!

WITH NO CARROT SLIVERS!

445 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:17:09pm

My prediction; at the Dem convention, both Hillary and Obama will be kidnapped by Triskelions, and forced to battle each other in a private arena for the next several years. Rudderless, the Dems will nominate Sean Penn. Result: McCain landslide.

Remember where you read it.

446 Dianna  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:17:31pm

re: #439 OldLineTexan

I feel much the same way. This is my country.

447 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:18:26pm
448 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:18:35pm

Later.

449 mikalm  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:18:41pm

re: #439 OldLineTexan

You said it, OLT. Should BHO be elected, this Californian will stand his ground and fight right here, on American soil.

450 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:19:08pm

re: #437 David IV of Georgia

All too true, but be of good cheer: recruitment will drop to zero, so we will expose fewer worthy young people to these harebrained schemes.

451 Bosk  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:19:33pm

re: #424 Fasternu426
Texas might be a symbol of hope since they kept their right to leave the union if they wanted too. B. Hussien Obama would make me want to the union. B. Hussien Obama would make me "poop"

452 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:20:30pm

re: #438 pyrodoctor

I totally agree. But BO seems to have fewer strings attached than HRC. I think that is why McCain is so abhorred by the hard core Republicans -- because he doesn't respond well to people tugging his strings.

The fact is though, that no matter who wins, we will be in for a Republocrat administration, where the moneyed interests control the show.

HRC runs the Clinton machine. BHO is the big green gassy face in front of Soros' curtain.

Big difference.

Except for the flying monkeys, which I have always admired.

453 jorline  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:21:06pm

If you thought the race card was played during the DNC nomination...you ain't seen nothing yet.

The GOP will tagged as the racist party before November.

454 father_of_10  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:21:24pm

re: #373 wrenchwench

I'm in an undisclosed corner of the state. It's a very long drive from you, in Steve Pearce's district (as you may have guessed). If you bring the kids here.....

Jal? You live in Jal? I'm not bringing my kids down there. It stinks in Jal!

Well, it is in the corner of the state!

455 shibumi  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:21:28pm

re: #439 OldLineTexan

Eff Nobama, I am not going anywhere. I am not a Baldwin or a Sarandon, a poseur and paper tiger with the staying power of a "no food coloring added" Kool-Aid stain. I grew up in the shadow of the Greatest Generation, a group of Americans who really did save the world. How will I be worthy to stand in the presence of my forebears if I surrender their legacy to a tool of the Chicago political machine and George Soros?

Hear hear!

May I also add...it's the duty of every red blooded American to stay in America and do everything they can do stop the liberal/socialist machine and insure a decent future for themselves, their children and their parents.

IMHO

456 calcajun  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:22:18pm

re: #427 Occasional Reader

I

have often been called a Nazi, and although it is unfair, I don't let it bother me. I don't let it bother me for one simple reason. No one has *ever* had a sexual fantasy about being tied to a bed and sexually ravished by someone dressed as a liberal.


--P.J. O'Rourke

457 pyrodoctor  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:22:32pm

re: #452 OldLineTexan

HRC runs the Clinton machine. BHO is the big green gassy face in front of Soros' curtain.

I don't buy that.

458 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:23:00pm

re: #455 shibumi

Hear hear!

May I also add...it's the duty of every red blooded American to stay in America and do everything they can do stop the liberal/socialist machine and insure a decent future for themselves, their children and their parents.

IMHO

Nobody ever leaves anyway. I have offered to chip in on the tickets.

459 wolfie  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:23:07pm

re: #451 Bosk

Texas might be a symbol of hope since they kept their right to leave the union if they wanted too. B. Hussien Obama would make me want to the union. B. Hussien Obama would make me "poop"

Texas kept their right to leave the union?

460 Dianna  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:23:13pm

re: #456 calcajun

That is a great quote, isn't it?

461 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:23:53pm

re: #457 pyrodoctor

I don't buy that.

Fine by me. I'm not selling anything.

/Let me know what you find in the bag if the collective "we" buy Obama.

462 Bosk  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:24:44pm

re: #453 jorline
That's exactly why I believe that Mc Cains best choice would be... JC Watts. That would fire up the Conservatives and squash the racist racism of the Commucrats.

463 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:25:13pm

re: #450 OldLineTexan

All too true, but be of good cheer: recruitment will drop to zero, so we will expose fewer worthy young people to these harebrained schemes.

And since most Dems (dim-s?) realize the baby-killers™ are sometimes useful (they can plant flowers and trees and write poetry), they will have to think about a draft, but will label it a Republican scheme as they push it forward.

464 Rageman  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:25:24pm

Imagine Obama, Farakan, Eyers, Rev Wright, Michelle O, Soros all having the control of the government. Scary.

465 NY Nana  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:25:30pm

re: #350 goddessoftheclassroom

That fact flabbergasts me: that neighborhoods were restricted.

It was, in a way, almost endurable, as we lived close to family. I was not aware of it until I was old enough to understand. The Jew hate during WWII I was protected from.

This was the Harvard my boy cousins had to deal with in the late 1940's....they were graduates of Boys Latin, which Kosh mentioned.

There were unwritten restrictions on just how few Jews could be admitted at Harvard and elsewhere.

My oldest male cousin graduated Summa From Harvard..and could not get into the med. school. he went to Tufts, and went on to become a renowned radiologist who never got over the feelings of rejection he had.

When my Mum was pregnant with me in 1937, they went looking for a bigger apartment, in Brighton...and because of the family surname, which my Dad refused to change, and for which I am so proud of him for, the janitor very kindly said that they could not rent there, and told them that no Jews were allowed...he was very sad, my parents told me, when I was about 13, and we were moving.

Our neighborhood, in another part of Brighton, was almost all Jewish, and the Jews of Boston in my day were nearly all of Lithuanian heritage...and our Grans all knew each other. I could not go 2 buildings away from the boundaries I had without my Mum coming to where I was! I thought she had eyes in the back of her head! Later I found out about the Good Old Girls' Network'...someone's mother would see that I was where I was not supposed to be, and call my Mum!

On the serious side? It was not only Boston, nor was it just Harvard. Restrictions were a part of life, in jobs, also.

There were unwritten quotas to keep us out, not to assure we had to be admitted. And we had to be twice as good...

I could not get into the nursing school at either the Mass. General, or the Children's' hospital in Boston, in spite of my grades and recommendations..no Jew allowed in 1955.

I ended up in a Jewish hospital in Brooklyn to train, after having to resign from training at the Beth Israel, in Boston; wicked case of infectious mono. I wanted to make a new start.

BBL...time to get dinner on the table!

466 pyrodoctor  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:25:34pm

re: #462 Bosk

That's exactly why I believe that Mc Cains best choice would be... JC Watts. That would fire up the Conservatives and squash the racist racism of the Commucrats.

I think McCain's best choice would be Lieberman. That would throw a monkey wrench into the party apparati.

467 Dianna  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:25:48pm

re: #462 Bosk

Then we can have the utter hysteria of watching the Dems tie themselves in rhetorical knots trying to argue that BHO is more authentic than Watts.

468 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:25:54pm

re: #459 wolfie

Texas kept their right to leave the union?

Technically, no, that was changed after the Civil War.

We can still split into five states:

North Texas
West Texas
Nuevo Mexico del Norte (formerly South Texas)
Old Texas

and


Austin (Nuevo Berkeley)

469 Bosk  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:25:54pm

re: #459 wolfie
You betcha! Makes me want to move there. Don't know all the particulars but I have read about it several times.

470 hermeneutics  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:26:38pm

re: #439 OldLineTexan

Eff Nobama, I am not going anywhere. I am not a Baldwin or a Sarandon, a poseur and paper tiger with the staying power of a "no food coloring added" Kool-Aid stain. I grew up in the shadow of the Greatest Generation, a group of Americans who really did save the world. How will I be worthy to stand in the presence of my forebears if I surrender their legacy to a tool of the Chicago political machine and George Soros?

I love this. Thanks, OLT. What a patriot.

Still nodding my head and smiling.

Still smiling.

471 DesertSage  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:27:50pm

If we elect a Democrat in this country, I would be able to live with it.

Barack H. Obama is no Democrat....he's an extreme Leftist/Marxist.

If he's elected, it will be a sea change for this country the likes of which we have never experienced before. The United States Of America will be unrecognizable anymore. It will cease to exist in the manner it did for the past 200+ years.

I weep for my country. Literally!

472 maximoso  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:28:11pm

When Michael Steel was running for his seat in congess - he got Oreo Cookies tossed at him. re: #390 Dave the.....

NRO had an interesting take on the election......Americans want McCain to be President, but they don't want a Republican. They want to vote for a Democrat this year, but don't want Obama.

Funny,

I'm American adn I want a Republican ( conserative one ) and I don't want McCain.

I guess I forgot to answer their poll

473 U.S.S. Nixon  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:28:38pm

Chris Matthews is already getting giggles thinking about Osabama being the nominee

Giggles

474 Bosk  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:28:53pm

re: #468 OldLineTexan
Thanks for the heads up there, guess I read old info, but hey if Texas would divide would that change the Commucrat delegate count?

475 jorline  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:29:35pm

re: #462 Bosk

That's exactly why I believe that Mc Cains best choice would be... JC Watts. That would fire up the Conservatives and squash the racist racism of the Commucrats.

I agree...JC Watts would make a great VP candidate regardless of his race. It's sad that racism will control a lot of this election...is the country ready for this?

476 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:30:07pm

re: #470 hermeneutics

You're a sweetheart, but most of us bitter, clinging white people are just like that.

I am not so shallow in the head as to think this country happened by accident or without sacrifice.

477 hermeneutics  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:30:08pm

gtg .. later.

478 Dianna  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:30:52pm

I'm out, after a very frustrating day.

Take care, lizards.

479 Bosk  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:31:00pm

re: #473 U.S.S. Nixon
Maybe he contracted that illness where you laugh yourself to death, it is prevalent among cannibals.

480 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:31:04pm

re: #451 Bosk

Texas might be a symbol of hope since they kept their right to leave the union if they wanted too. B. Hussien Obama would make me want to the union. B. Hussien Obama would make me "poop"

I think after the War Over Who Gets Cotton Revenue the conquering army decided Texas had lost that right. I'm not sure we care who decided what back when though...

481 rusty_armor  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:31:18pm

This has been a very distressing day for me ... I think I need a TV break ... time to load up the van and dogs and head for the high country.

482 maximoso  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:31:19pm

re: #430 DesertSage

You do realize that we're all gonna become cannibals.

guess we'll have to re-define the slogan

" EAT ME "

lol

483 pyrodoctor  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:31:25pm

re: #474 Bosk

The pendulum swings back and forth. You have to have faith in the system that the Founding Fathers set up -- it survived Jimmy Carter. It survived Reagan. It survived Clinton. It will survive Bush. I'm sure that whomever we elect next time, it will survive them too.

I'm just pretty disgruntled that the extremists on both sides have hijacked our political process.

484 bulwrk  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:31:26pm

Obama finds himself slipping to McCain in the polls so he moves to the center,lunatic left of the democratic party goes ape shit there is mutiny in the ranks the party is over.

485 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:31:32pm

re: #474 Bosk

Thanks for the heads up there, guess I read old info, but hey if Texas would divide would that change the Commucrat delegate count?

Parts of this state are VERY weird (Austin). Parts are still really Democratic. The party left Texas; Texas did not leave the party.

486 Killian Bundy  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:31:53pm

Well, look at the bright side, with President Obama we won't have to worry anymore about Al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, Pakistan, Syria, etc.

/because we'll be their new allies

487 wolfie  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:32:27pm

re: #469 Bosk

You betcha! Makes me want to move there. Don't know all the particulars but I have read about it several times.

I think the Civil War pretty much settled the question of whether the federal government would actually respect the right of states to secede.

488 anotherindyfilmguy  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:32:28pm

re: #2 Occasional Reader

Consolation prize; he should be easier to beat.

That's what the Clinton's thought... never underestimate the stupidity of humans... if McCain takes the same attitude it could be a disaster if JimmahCarterian proportions if not worse...

489 Q  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:32:52pm

re: #393 OldLineTexan

Slowing down the train on the tracks that run parallel to The Highway to Hell.

It's been the main purpose of my voting career.

It's always going to come down to a choice between a Turd Sandwich and a Giant Douche.

Both Hussein and McCain are open and committed enemies of the American nation. No vote for them.

490 runrabbitrun  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:32:55pm

re: #462 Bosk

That's exactly why I believe that Mc Cains best choice would be... JC Watts. That would fire up the Conservatives and squash the racist racism of the Commucrats.

What, you don't think a Bama/Hill ticket wouldn't be enough to fire up the conservatives and activate the base best, and get them to charge to the polls?

Bama can make the daily polls look good for him with the votes, but he probably cannot pull off November's electoral numbers.

Now if Hill is on the ticket, the electoral college might be do-able for the Dems.

491 jorline  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:33:24pm

re: #466 pyrodoctor

I think McCain's best choice would be Lieberman. That would throw a monkey wrench into the party apparati.

It' logical, but I humbly disagree, pyro. One liberal on the GOP ticket is enough for me...I'm looking for a conservative VP mate.

492 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:33:36pm

re: #488 anotherindyfilmguy

That's what the Clinton's thought... never underestimate the stupidity of humans... if McCain takes the same attitude it could be a disaster if JimmahCarterian proportions if not worse...

McCain's also daft if he thinks there any such thing as a classy election campaign.

/That was long ago, and only for a brief period. American politics have always been dirty.

493 GeeWiz  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:34:27pm

Later lizards, I need to forage for food.

494 Bosk  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:34:47pm

re: #486 Killian Bundy
Actually if he really is a Christian all those Islamoterrorists would be required to kill the apostate that he would be. If he really was a Christian and not the muslim he was raised as in Indonesia.

495 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:35:00pm

re: #489 Q

Both Hussein and McCain are open and committed enemies of the American nation. No vote for them.

Is Luap Nor on the ballot by some magick?

496 EC Marm  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:35:56pm

re: #483 pyrodoctor

The pendulum swings back and forth. You have to have faith in the system that the Founding Fathers set up -- it survived Jimmy Carter. It survived Reagan. It survived Clinton. It will survive Bush. I'm sure that whomever we elect next time, it will survive them too.

I'm just pretty disgruntled that the extremists on both sides have hijacked our political process.


Survived Reagan?

497 pyrodoctor  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:36:05pm

re: #491 jorline

It' logical, but I humbly disagree, pyro. One liberal on the GOP ticket is enough for me...I'm looking for a conservative VP mate.

I don't really care if he picks someone who is very conservative or not. I'd like to see him pick someone who understands the crap that he doesn't understand such as the economy, energy policy, health care, etc. Otherwise his agenda will be hijacked by the Democratic congress.

498 calcajun  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:36:27pm

re: #473 U.S.S. Nixon

With his tingling leg and delighted smile for BHO, Chris Matthews is becoming the Ned Beatty of the nightly news.

499 runrabbitrun  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:37:10pm

re: #490 runrabbitrun

What, you don't think a Bama/Hill ticket wouldn't be enough

woops, double negatives ::blush::

(then again, a Bama/Hill ticket is as much of a double negative as I can imagine.)

500 nikis-knight  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:37:37pm

re: #280 mama winger

Catheters, surgical sponges, gauze, - the possibilities for going green are endless!

There's no green like gangrene!

501 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:37:39pm

re: #485 OldLineTexan

Parts of this state are VERY weird (Austin). Parts are still really Democratic. The party left Texas; Texas did not leave the party.

Almost everyone I know would vote Democratic in a heartbeat if the Democrats would get someone who is not some leftist/hippy/commie nutjob to run. Jimmy Carter was the last straw. After him, Texans started voting Republican.

502 rain of lead  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:37:44pm

just skimmed the thread and all I can say is......who the hell are some of you people?

503 wolfie  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:38:45pm

re: #489 Q

Both Hussein and McCain are open and committed enemies of the American nation. No vote for them.

What the hell are you smoking?

I can give you a long list of things McCain has done that I am four-square against and I could slap some unflattering labels on him.
Calling him an "open and committed enemy of the American nation" is just plain slanderous. Or psychotic.

504 laparka2  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:39:01pm

So, when Obama loses, think he'll do the AlGore routine and tour the country, giving $50,000 speeches on how he was robbed?

Or will he go the Other AlGore route, giving sound bites to the Mainstream Press on how "If I had been allowed to win, I'd be doing this and this and that, and America would be loved and respected again."?

505 leboaz  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:39:18pm

With respect to Ward Cleaver:
Prologue

506 NY Nana  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:39:20pm

re: #380 'Nam Grunt

Yayyyyyy!

I haven't had it, but they have FrozFruit pops that are sugar free, and they are just great! I ♥ them..1 every evening for a snack after I take insulin, and go to sleep.

My grandkids will tell you about how much they love the ice cream! Not sure if the ice cream we get here is from TX or *gasp* IA! My pops are from IA...sorry. )=:

How is your grandson?

NY Grampa looks very sad re dinner not being ready..I am dragging me away from the 'puter.

507 tai-pan  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:39:26pm

re: #2 Occasional Reader

esplain

508 DesertSage  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:39:27pm

re: #502 rain of lead

just skimmed the thread and all I can say is......who the hell are some of you people?

I don't get it.
This is an open forum, anyone who's registered can post here.

509 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:39:34pm

re: #501 David IV of Georgia

Almost everyone I know would vote Democratic in a heartbeat if the Democrats would get someone who is not some leftist/hippy/commie nutjob to run. Jimmy Carter was the last straw. After him, Texans started voting Republican.

Well, I wouldn't, and almost never have (certain local offices and judgeships excepted), but overall I agree. Clinton hisself shot the Dem party in Texas, and Anne Richards took the silver spoon out of her mouth and buried a good bit of it.

510 pyrodoctor  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:39:38pm

re: #496 EC Marm

Survived Reagan?

Yes -- survived Reagan. While Reagan did some good things, Reagan did a lot of damage. It wasn't all good stuff. For example, can you imagine where we would be as far as availability of alternate energy sources, clean coal, alternate fuels, etc had Reagan not completely decimated the R&D programs within the Department of Energy and the EPA and we had been researching that stuff for the last 25 years?

511 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:39:46pm

Anyone see this?

MSNBC has drawn criticism from pundits from both parties, other journalists and the White House, for the perceived, and often obvious, leftward shift of their lead political anchors Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann.

"Every Tuesday night Keith is up there as the face of NBC News. That's a problem," says our source. "[Tim] Russert is upset about it. Russert has spent 20 years building credibility. All of a sudden he's taking questions from Keith Olbermann, the Daily Kos blogger?"

Heh.

512 wolfie  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:40:01pm

re: #491 jorline

AMEN.
But I'd love to see him as Secretary of State!

513 shibumi  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:40:03pm

re: #471 DesertSage

If we elect a Democrat in this country, I would be able to live with it.

Barack H. Obama is no Democrat....he's an extreme Leftist/Marxist.

If he's elected, it will be a sea change for this country the likes of which we have never experienced before. The United States Of America will be unrecognizable anymore. It will cease to exist in the manner it did for the past 200+ years.

I weep for my country. Literally!

B. Hussein isn't running for King, he's running for President. There are supposedly checks and balances. Yes, he could mess things up terribly, but then again, the machine works slowly. Very slowly. Hell, he could be like Carter and give us a problem (Iran) that was created while he was in office, but took years to come to fruition.

514 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:40:06pm

re: #471 DesertSage

If we elect a Democrat in this country, I would be able to live with it.

Barack H. Obama is no Democrat....he's an extreme Leftist/Marxist.

If he's elected, it will be a sea change for this country the likes of which we have never experienced before. The United States Of America will be unrecognizable anymore. It will cease to exist in the manner it did for the past 200+ years.

I weep for my country. Literally!

Most Americans don't realize that this newly elected highly inexperienced democrat in the white house will have the power to pass any bill, make any law, as both the house and senate will be democrat controlled. A control without even republican filibuster restraints.
This might be serious folks.

515 Q  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:40:12pm

re: #495 OldLineTexan

Is Luap Nor on the ballot by some magick?

I have no interest in RuPaul (or any other rockwellite/paleocon clown), either. There is no National Question candidate running. So, none of the above.

516 rain of lead  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:41:26pm

re: #508 DesertSage

I don't get it.
This is an open forum, anyone who's registered can post here.

yeah, but I'm seeing nics that I have never seen, where have ya'll been?

517 wolfie  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:41:35pm

re: #497 pyrodoctor

I don't really care if he picks someone who is very conservative or not. I'd like to see him pick someone who understands the crap that he doesn't understand such as the economy, energy policy, health care, etc. Otherwise his agenda will be hijacked by the Democratic congress.

Liebermann is considerably to the LEFT of McCain on all of those specific issues.

518 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:41:59pm

re: #515 Q

I have no interest in RuPaul (or any other rockwellite/paleocon clown), either. There is no National Question candidate running. So, none of the above.

So, you're staying home?

Do you expect the press to cover your protest?

519 pyrodoctor  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:42:06pm

re: #516 rain of lead

yeah, but I'm seeing nics that I have never seen, where have ya'll been?

Lurking

520 Karridine  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:42:40pm

0540 See yez at work...

/this is INTERESTING!

521 Q  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:43:15pm

re: #503 wolfie

What the hell are you smoking?

I can give you a long list of things McCain has done that I am four-square against and I could slap some unflattering labels on him.
Calling him an "open and committed enemy of the American nation" is just plain slanderous. Or psychotic.

McCain is a fervent (feverish) Mexicanizator. Whether or not he fancies himself a patriot is irrelevant. In practical terms, he is an enemy of America.

522 jorline  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:43:19pm

re: #497 pyrodoctor

I don't really care if he picks someone who is very conservative or not. I'd like to see him pick someone who understands the crap that he doesn't understand such as the economy, energy policy, health care, etc. Otherwise his agenda will be hijacked by the Democratic congress.

He understands those areas...the problem is he's stuck in reverse and very hard-headed. I'm not saying he needs a super conservative, but he need someone who will appeal to the conservative base and try to keep him on track. McCain has had a hard time connecting with the base of the party.

My real fear is Barry!

523 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:43:36pm

re: #504 laparka2

So, when Obama loses, think he'll do the AlGore routine and tour the country, giving $50,000 speeches on how he was robbed?

Or will he go the Other AlGore route, giving sound bites to the Mainstream Press on how "If I had been allowed to win, I'd be doing this and this and that, and America would be loved and respected again."?

Whichever route he takes, I'd rather Barry speak on lefty subjects as opposed to signing lefty laws.

524 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:43:42pm

re: #332 maximoso

Apparently you missed his Youtube video about his massive cuts for Military Budget. Starting with nuclear - then missle defense - later downsizing the troop levels.

With the Democrats in congress for just over a year - we've already had major budget cuts at a Nuclear Research firm called Fermi-Lab. So much for expanding Science. If it's not a wind turbine or some other technology that won't work - Leftists aren't interested.

He wants to get rid of cluster munitions, mines and other very useful and advantageous tools of war in an asymmetrical world.

The UNHCR draft treaty has 111 signatories already, but not included among them are China, India, Israel, Pakistan, Russia and the U.S.

The phony argument used is that cluster munitions leave unexploded bomblets all over the place on battlefields, to be chanced upon later by innocent civilians, killing and maiming them. But in fact those weapons are designed for maximum possible efficiency, and very small percentage of bomblets actually do not explode. Those that don't explode are just right there laying on the ground, and easily cleared. The excuse for this treaty is to "even up the playing field" between dominant and non-dominant military powers.

Apparently, it should be illegal to use effectively lethal weapons. War would be so much better if we could go back to clubs, knives, swords, etc. And of course, those whose primary goal in war is to inflict casualties via terror attacks against random people would never sign the treaty.

I'm sure that al-Qaeda, the Taliban, Hizballah and Hamas are already ridding themselves of munitions that cause secondary explosions. I'd say it's just a good thing that they don't have so many of them right now.

525 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:44:44pm

My faith in the 'Clinton Machine' is faltering. She better have something up her sleeve pantsuit to restore it.

526 bulwrk  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:44:54pm

re: #510 pyrodoctor

Reagan did a lot of damage. It wasn't all good stuff. For example, can you imagine where we would be as far as availability of alternate energy sources, clean coal, alternate fuels, etc had Reagan not completely decimated the R&D programs within the Department of Energy and the EPA and we had been researching that stuff for the last 25 years?

Like the lefty enviroweenies had nothing to do with that

527 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:45:36pm

re: #525 Oh no...Sand People!

My faith in the 'Clinton Machine' is faltering. She better have something up her sleeve pantsuit to restore it.

I DID NOT need that mental image.

528 Q  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:46:09pm

re: #518 OldLineTexan

So, you're staying home?

Do you expect the press to cover your protest?

I'll vote for the local/regional candidates. But both [D] and [R] clowns are just too abyslmal this year.

If Republicans want my vote, let them come up with a marginally acceptable candidate. Same for the Democrats. Same for anyone.

529 Bosk  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:46:15pm

re: #490 runrabbitrun

Actually I do not think that a Hussien/Hill ticket will motivate the conservatives. First they are as mad as hell at the Republicans for leaving the conservitive movement, and two they want someone to vote for not just to vote against.

530 Athos  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:46:55pm

re: #510 pyrodoctor

Yes -- survived Reagan. While Reagan did some good things, Reagan did a lot of damage. It wasn't all good stuff. For example, can you imagine where we would be as far as availability of alternate energy sources, clean coal, alternate fuels, etc had Reagan not completely decimated the R&D programs within the Department of Energy and the EPA and we had been researching that stuff for the last 25 years?

Since when is it the role of the Federal Government to undertake those R&D initiatives? It's Reagan's fault no new refineries or nuclear plants went online during his terms? Clinton never reversed the trend either, and when Dubya talks about it, all we hear is global warming whinging.

The Federal Government has no role providing anything more than perhaps some tax credits for the R&D. Private industry can do a far better job developing alternative energy solutions that are economically viable than any government.

You want someone to blame regarding alternative energy sources - how about the Dems if you have to blame any political entity? NIMBYism extrordinaire. Or Clinton vetoing the bill that would have permitted drilling off of the coast of FL, CA, and in ANWR 10 years ago.....about the time that all of that would be online and in full production today.

531 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:47:38pm

re: #529 Bosk

Actually I do not think that a Hussien/Hill ticket will motivate the conservatives. First they are as mad as hell at the Republicans for leaving the conservitive movement, and two they want someone to vote for not just to vote against.

If someone could only get that into McCains head.

532 looking closely  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:47:59pm

re: #157 sattv4u2

There is NO way McCain could take Boston, let alone Massachusetts. No matter the outcome of Kennedys surgery and recovery, the sympathy vote for him goes to Obama. Boston doesn't have as large of an Hispanic community as is does black (not only Roxbury, but most of Dorchester, Mattapan and Roslindale)

CAMBRIDGE? You HAVE to be joking. If McCain gets more than 35% there, that alone would be a "win"


Couldn't agree more.

IIRC, Massachussets went 65% Democrat last election. Kerry being the State Senator might have helped there, but no way is MA going to be anything other than solid Obama territory no matter what McCain does or who he picks.

Boston and Cambridge, if anything, are MORE liberal than the rest of the state, too.

I used to live in Roxbury, and I remember showing up election day last time, glancing down at the list of registered voters when signing up to vote, and seeing only one "R" registered in a column of 30+ "D"s.

533 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:48:46pm

re: #487 wolfie

I think the Civil War pretty much settled the question of whether the federal government would actually respect the right of states to secede.

My understanding is that the SCOTUS has never actually reviewed the legality/constitutionality of state succession, but in 1869, in a case (Texas vs. White) about an unrelated issue, the Supreme Court's majority brief mentions in passing that succession is unconstitutional.

534 EC Marm  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:49:07pm

I'm not interested in engaging with someone that thinks the EPA has a R&D department for alternative energy sources. That's moonbat stuff.

535 MJ  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:49:49pm

re: #531 Oh no...Sand People!

If someone could only get that into McCains head.

Assuming they can wake him from his "moral high ground" stupor.

536 Dartmouth  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:49:51pm

re: #7 song_and_dance_man

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I don't get it... help?

537 looking closely  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:50:02pm

Why do I get the distinct impression that Clinton is being railroaded into this "loss"? The delegate vote hasn't happened yet, and as we have all seen people DO vote differently than they say they are going to.

Of course the media is shilling for Obama, putting pressure on Hilary to step down, but I suspect she's also getting major pressure from within the Dem party itself.

538 DesertSage  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:50:17pm

re: #513 shibumi

B. Hussein isn't running for King, he's running for President. There are supposedly checks and balances.

You've got to be kidding me, the man already thinks he's king.

539 jorline  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:50:20pm

re: #512 wolfie

AMEN.
But I'd love to see him as Secretary of State!

Thanks wolfie, but we need someone on the ticket NOW that will appeal to the base. The cabinet will not be picked until after the presidential election and no one will hear about JC Watts.

The ticket needs to be the focus at this time....what is it going to take to beat Barry/Whoever 08

540 maximoso  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:50:26pm

re: #510 pyrodoctor

Yes -- survived Reagan. While Reagan did some good things, Reagan did a lot of damage. It wasn't all good stuff. For example, can you imagine where we would be as far as availability of alternate energy sources, clean coal, alternate fuels, etc had Reagan not completely decimated the R&D programs within the Department of Energy and the EPA and we had been researching that stuff for the last 25 years?

Got to love those Democrats - and their R & D.::: ROLLING EYES :::

Since they got into power in the last year - they've taken a Nuclear Research Lab like Fermi-Lab and slashed their federal Budget - and that's just int their first year of power.

We have Clean Coal / Wind energy is a waste of time / Solar may be a solution when the Nano technologies are better understood.

The biggest problem in our energy policy is the Sierra Club and other environmental groups stopping our country from expanding it's energy supply. I'm all for consrvation - but we can't sustain a growing economy if the national policy is conserve only. We need an abundance of energy available at a cheap price to remain a competitive / innovative nation.

541 rustynail  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:50:36pm

re: #47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) InTrade ([Link: www.intrade.com...] shows the Democrat candidate to win at 61.5 bid, 62.0 asked. That's vs 37.4 bid 37.7 asked for the Republican candidate. Not looking good for the country!

542 mean Gene  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:51:16pm

So, what will be the state vs state totals?
I thought 40-10 McCain.
I doubt that we'll see another McGovern or Goldwater style blowout.
Thoughts?

543 pyrodoctor  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:51:39pm

re: #530 Athos

Since when is it the role of the Federal Government to undertake those R&D initiatives?

You want someone to blame regarding alternative energy sources - how about the Dems if you have to blame any political entity? NIMBYism extrordinaire. Or Clinton vetoing the bill that would have permitted drilling off of the coast of FL, CA, and in ANWR 10 years ago.....about the time that all of that would be online and in full production today.

I don't disagree with your alternate blame targets, but the fact is with our market driven system of today, if the government didn't pay for certain types of research, the research would never get done until it is too late. Look at where we are on alternate fuels -- R&D that should have been started 20 years ago is just now getting started, and only because oil is $120/bbl. Now it's too late. Part of "providing for the common defense" is to have the foresight to plan for future threats to our national security, and having our enemies be in control of our energy supply is clearly a threat to our national security.

544 DesertSage  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:51:46pm

re: #541 rustynail

Linky no worky.

545 jorline  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:52:07pm

re: #517 wolfie

Liebermann is considerably to the LEFT of McCain on all of those specific issues.


Amen

546 wolfie  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:52:31pm

re: #533 David IV of Georgia

My understanding is that the SCOTUS has never actually reviewed the legality/constitutionality of state succession, but in 1869, in a case (Texas vs. White) about an unrelated issue, the Supreme Court's majority brief mentions in passing that succession is unconstitutional.

The decision was made by the Union Army.

547 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:53:38pm

Another great endorsement for the Messiah...

Jefferson endorses Obama

NEW ORLEANS (AP) - U.S. Representative William Jefferson is supporting Democrat Senator Barack Obama in the presidential race.

Jefferson, a superdelegate from Louisiana, announced his support in a statement Tuesday, the last day of the Democratic primaries between Obama and Senator Hillary Clinton.

Jefferson said it's time to unify the Democratic party behind a nominee. He also said he's been assured that Obama would be committed to the region's recovery from Hurricane Katrina.

548 Bosk  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:53:53pm

re: #546 wolfie

The decision was made by the Union Army.

In the war of northern aggression.

549 looking closely  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:53:59pm

re: #45 buzzsawmonkey

I've been predicting the HO Ticket for months. The OH ticket is not quite as strong, but I will be surprised if it does not happen.

I would be surprised if it did happen.

The prime job of the VP is to agree with the President and stand by in case he/she is incapacitated.

Obama can't trust Hilary to be a team player, nor can he trust her maverick husband (who disgraced the office last time around and could bring further embarassment to both of them at any time).

Further, Hilary herself has the highest general "dislikeability" quotient of any candidate in the race. She might help unify the party, but she probably wouldn't help Obama swing any states.

She'd be a bad choice.

550 Brigman  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:54:17pm

Well maybe the secret 8 states of the US that only Obama and his staff know about are the ones that will lead to victory in the general. Maybe then Alaska and Hawaii will be finally be justified.

551 A Kiwi Infidel  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:54:53pm

re: #516 rain of lead

yeah, but I'm seeing nics that I have never seen, where have ya'll been?

Picture it if you will, its sale day and the doors are closed until 9.00am sharp. The bargains are unheard of. The crowd is pressed against the plate glass doors, 100 deep. Then Charles declares......"the doors, its open", and the avalance of humanity sweeps in.........and we get some of these and we get some of these. Its all good fun.

552 pyrodoctor  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:55:21pm

re: #549 looking closely

I would be surprised if it did happen.

She'd be a bad choice.

I agree. Obama would spend more time looking behind him for the knife in the back than he would looking forward.

553 ethanxxx[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:56:33pm
554 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:56:54pm

re: #535 MJ

Assuming they can wake him from his "moral high ground" stupor.

This is what has always perplexed me. Since we are in such a hurry to be 100% secular ie: God out of politics, how can there even BE a moral high ground?

If God has no role in the political system then the "moral high ground" is a myth. Therefore all the Envirokooks and moonbats who are proselyting and evangelizing their various guilt ridden causes: Global Warming, Carbon Offsets, World Opinion...all of those are just crap in the cesspool of "Moral Relativity". They cry due to me consuming more food. They cry to me about using more energy? They cry due to me not caring what the 'world' thinks? Screw them. It now becomes 'might makes right' / 'survival of the fittest'. No God = no law. All is an opinion. I will side with the biggest guns at that point and do all in my power to be the victor. IMHO.

555 Yankee Division Son  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:56:59pm

BREAKING: Democrats once again pick most far left candidate they can find... ~YAWN~

In other news...

NYC Murder Numbers are Double Iraq US Deaths in May.

556 joecitizen  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:57:20pm

let's not forget that, just because shrill is getting out,does NOT change the plans of some seriously whacko groups to disrupt the hell out of things come the convention...I agree that McCain wins in historic fashion,and the bad taste that will surely be left in the mouths of many Americans after the moonbat spectacle will go a long way to ensure this...fearing obamassiah and ANYONE he picks as a running mate is energy and brain cells badly spent,and gives the fool far far too much credit...he is definately not ready for prime time..I only wish that I had the contract to make the ads that will surely bury him after Labor Day...

557 EC Marm  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:57:22pm

re: #541 rustynail

InTrade ([Link: www.intrade.com...] shows the Democrat candidate to win at 61.5 bid, 62.0 asked. That's vs 37.4 bid 37.7 asked for the Republican candidate. Not looking good for the country!


Yeah, and I could show you my posts from just a few months back where Rudy was the favorite at that site with 40% or so against McCain with 3%. Those 'gaming' sites are good for the Vegas types to pick the pockets of emotional people. For entertainment purposes only. Chin up.

558 maximoso  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:57:52pm

re: #513 shibumi

B. Hussein isn't running for King, he's running for President. There are supposedly checks and balances. Yes, he could mess things up terribly, but then again, the machine works slowly. Very slowly. Hell, he could be like Carter and give us a problem (Iran) that was created while he was in office, but took years to come to fruition.

We have the Judicial Branch that can slow some unconstitutional issues from moving forward - and the conservatives on the bench shouldn't shift in balance of power in the next 4 years.

But - The othere check of power is the Legislative Branch - there is a very real chance that the Democrats will have a Supermajority in both houses of congress. A President could do alot of damage with the minority party being shut out of teh discussion. The President gets blame for alot of problems he didn't create - or didn't fix - b/c the minority party had enough votes to stop some of his agenda.

I'm praying Republicans can get a strong voice of opposition and identify some leadership to gain it's limited gov't voice back again. Right now - we're a long way from that.

559 runrabbitrun  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:58:05pm

re: #529 Bosk

Actually I do not think that a Hussien/Hill ticket will motivate the conservatives.

You are absolutely correct that the ticket will not affect the most angry and obstinate, nor the 'throw the bums out' crowd, nor the 'burn the house down and rebuild' philosophers.

But Barry and 'Lary have really, really got the background stuff to push the base's buttons. Raw emotional energy is a prime mover, so while they might not motivate the majority to vote, they might motivate more of the majority of the base than even a ticket like, say, Biden/Kucinich.

..at least I'm prayin'...........

560 ethanxxx  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:58:43pm

re: #555 Yankee Division Son

NYC Murder Numbers are Double Iraq US Deaths in May.

We must withdraw from New York Now!

561 Eyes of Blue  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:58:56pm

re: #12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It was like waiting for a hurricane, you knew it was coming and it finally made landfall.

Yeah, but this blowhard has a possible four years to wreck the country.

562 wolfie  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 3:59:20pm

re: #539 jorline

Thanks wolfie, but we need someone on the ticket NOW that will appeal to the base. The cabinet will not be picked until after the presidential election and no one will hear about JC Watts.

The ticket needs to be the focus at this time....what is it going to take to beat Barry/Whoever 08

Oops! I think I replied to the wrong post! (Trying to make dinner...multi-tasking is not my forte!) I was talking about Lieberman as Sec of State, not Watts!

Back when I thought it would be Hillary and some white guy running on the Dem ticket, I thought it would be great to pick Watts for VP.
Now I think it would look like a gimmick or tokenism.
The MSM would treat Watts like garbage......to the applause of the race-baiters on the left.

563 dingleB  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:00:00pm

re: #530 Athos

Unfortunately, there is plenty of blame go around. From the Truman administration to the present.

[Link: www.jstor.org...]

Price is the only thing that will move a market (consumer behavior), not laws, Gov. subsidized R&D, grants, credits etc.

564 Yankee Division Son  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:00:36pm

re: #560 ethanxxx

NYC Murder Numbers are Double Iraq US Deaths in May.

We must withdraw from New York Now!

Obama? Is that you?

565 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:01:09pm

re: #553 ethanxxx


You've got a way with words.
A bad way.

566 jorline  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:02:37pm

McCain needs to quit playing down the a$$hole part of his personality. He's so concerned about offending some moderate conservative.

Hey, John...FLAME ON...you can be a flaming asshole for all I care, just don't pander for votes.

New campaign slogan? Flame On, John

567 wolfie  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:02:43pm

re: #548 Bosk

In the war of northern aggression.

That's the one!
Or, as my great-grandmother called it, "the Late Unpleasantness." :)

568 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:02:47pm

re: #563 dingleB

Unfortunately, there is plenty of blame go around. From the Truman administration to the present.

[Link: www.jstor.org...]

Price is the only thing that will move a market (consumer behavior), not laws, Gov. subsidized R&D, grants, credits etc.

True, but I would so much feel better knowing my tax dollars went to a , IMO, more worthy cause as opposed to say, condoms on cucumbers, abortion grants / Planned Parenthood, National Endowment of the Arts ad infinitum...

569 EC Marm  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:02:55pm

re: #562 wolfie


The MSM would treat Watts like garbage......to the applause of the race-baiters on the left.


Unfortunately true. He's a good man, but the abuse he would take, along with all of the "Uncle Tom" chants from the left would be painful to watch.

570 maximoso  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:03:31pm

re: #528 Q

I'll vote for the local/regional candidates. But both [D] and [R] clowns are just too abyslmal this year.

If Republicans want my vote, let them come up with a marginally acceptable candidate. Same for the Democrats. Same for anyone.

I won't encourage a McCain vote - b/c I'm not voting for President this year - but I would encourage a Republican vote for senate and House - if for nothing but to slow down any hard left policies that could be moved forward with a supermajority in both the House and the Senate.

571 Shaky Louie  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:04:06pm

re: #28 Honorary Yooper

"It's not over till theOur Lady in of the Perpetual Pantsuit says it is".

Better, non?

572 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:04:37pm

re: #570 maximoso

I won't encourage a McCain vote - b/c I'm not voting for President this year - but I would encourage a Republican vote for senate and House - if for nothing but to slow down any hard left policies that could be moved forward with a supermajority in both the House and the Senate.

We are sooooo screwed.

573 ethanxxx  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:05:36pm

re: #565 unrealizedviewpoint

You've got a way with words.
A bad way.

Some people have a way with words, and some people... not... have way.

574 McJeff  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:05:42pm

The best we can hope for is for Obama to do a truly terrible job as president, so that the country is prepared to elect a real conservative, as opposed to a joke like McCain.

575 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:06:06pm

re: #570 maximoso

I won't encourage a McCain vote - b/c I'm not voting for President this year - but I would encourage a Republican vote for senate and House - if for nothing but to slow down any hard left policies that could be moved forward with a supermajority in both the House and the Senate.

A democratic super-majority is a done deal. The only possible temperance will be the party of the president.

576 shibumi  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:06:11pm

re: #558 maximoso

We have the Judicial Branch that can slow some unconstitutional issues from moving forward - and the conservatives on the bench shouldn't shift in balance of power in the next 4 years.

But - The othere check of power is the Legislative Branch - there is a very real chance that the Democrats will have a Supermajority in both houses of congress. A President could do alot of damage with the minority party being shut out of teh discussion. The President gets blame for alot of problems he didn't create - or didn't fix - b/c the minority party had enough votes to stop some of his agenda.

I'm praying Republicans can get a strong voice of opposition and identify some leadership to gain it's limited gov't voice back again. Right now - we're a long way from that.

You're exactly right.

However...things do tend to move slowly in government. Especially big government. Didn't it take Bush years to get the Medicare Drug program going? I'm hoping (praying really) that in a worst case scenario, the really bad stuff the Dems try to do will be so bogged down in details that they will be almost impossible to enact.

577 jorline  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:06:18pm

re: #562 wolfie

Great chatting with you anyway, wolfie...sounds like we're on the same page. Good luck with dinner.

578 VegasRick  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:06:42pm

re: #572 Oh no...Sand People!

We are sooooo screwed.

I think I am going to be sick.

579 Killian Bundy  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:06:52pm

These fine upstanding gentlemen must be happy today.

/passing out candy

580 rawmuse  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:08:27pm

This is not exactly a surprise. We all knew it was coming. Get ready for the daily, non-stop trashing of McCain in the media. It is coming. They will have horns on his head and a forked tail coming out of him before the week is out.

581 yochanan  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:09:32pm

re: #574 McJeff

The best we can hope for is for Obama to do a truly terrible job as president, so that the country is prepared to elect a real conservative, as opposed to a joke like McCain.

GO BACK TO KOS this is pure b.s.

582 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:09:38pm

re: #574 McJeff

The best we can hope for is for Obama to do a truly terrible job as president, so that the country is prepared to elect a real conservative, as opposed to a joke like McCain.

I want to think on those lines also, but will we be able to survive his 'terrible job' to even have another election? But it might not matter so much either way. The House and Senate are going to be so full of Dem's, the Repubs will not even be able to filibuster and I doubt McCain will even bat an eye at most of the garbage handed over to him to sign. Gotta look good for the press.

583 maximoso  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:09:54pm

re: #572 Oh no...Sand People!

We are sooooo screwed.

Grab your ankles and your wallets - and buy stock in Vasseline

D'OH!

584 dingleB  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:10:27pm

re: #568 Oh no...Sand People!

Ah, price rears its ugly head. As far as cucumbers go, here in north central FL, we are seeing a 49% increase in the price for two run-of-the mill types. Don't even get me started of the price of condoms!

585 leboaz  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:10:37pm

re: #579 Killian Bundy
excuse me, I need to go throw up

586 ethanxxx  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:10:46pm

Michael "Vanilla Ice" Phleger gets the boot.

Francis Cardinal George is temporarily removing Father Michael Pfleger from his position as pastor of St. Sabina Roman Catholic Church on Chicago’s South Side.

587 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:10:53pm

re: #584 dingleB

LOL!

588 bulwrk  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:11:08pm

re: #574 McJeff

The best we can hope for is for Obama to do a truly terrible job as president, so that the country is prepared to elect a real conservative, as opposed to a joke like McCain.

and wait 20 years for the activist judges he appoints to retire

589 looking closely  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:11:10pm

re: #574 McJeff

The best we can hope for is for Obama to do a truly terrible job as president, so that the country is prepared to elect a real conservative, as opposed to a joke like McCain.

NO.

This particular election cycle is critical for two reasons:

There are up to three US Supreme Court Justice appointments that the new President could make, poisoning US jurisprudence with judicial "activists" for literally decades.

Iran is on the cusp of obtaining nuclear arms. If the US doesn't act, Israel will have to. The latter will likely lead to a major Middle East war, with the possibility of things going nuclear. If Israel doesn't or can't act, Iran's ability to further global terrorism (and jack up energy costs) will be extended until a more major conventional (or nuclear) war breaks out.

Sure if Obama screws things up, a more Conservative president will be elected afterwards to clean things up. . .but the damage will be lasting.

590 maddogg  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:11:23pm

Good news, as far as I'm concerned. Now if he will just ditch the idea of Hildebeast for VP, and announce Louis Farrakhan as his running mate, we can get this ass whuppin' on the road.

591 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:11:40pm

re: #579 Killian Bundy

These fine upstanding gentlemen must be happy today.

/passing out candy

AAARGH! My monitor barely survived that one.

592 yochanan  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:11:44pm

re: #570 maximoso

I won't encourage a McCain vote - b/c I'm not voting for President this year - but I would encourage a Republican vote for senate and House - if for nothing but to slow down any hard left policies that could be moved forward with a supermajority in both the House and the Senate.


TROLLS WILL TRY THE 'PERFECT CONSECRATIVE FIRING SQUAD' RANT TO KEEP THE GOP DIVIDED GO BACK TO KOS

593 RememberSekhmet?  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:13:38pm

And so it begins.

594 MellyMel  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:14:04pm

Call me an optimist, but I don't think this is over by a long shot. Even if Shrill is picked for a VP slot, they can't win. I know a lot of dems (except for obamanites) who want to vote for Hill, but they won't vote for him regardless of VP choice. He scares the crap out of all of them. Thankfully.

/I will not go quietly into the night!

595 Quintus_Arius  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:14:04pm

I know for many, including me, John McCain wasn't our first or second choice, but if we sit on our asses and let BHO in the back door we all should be tried for treason. The anti-military, socialist BOH is not acceptable.

And no, it's not OK to just vote for John..let's go to work NOW.
I've been holding out going after Obama during the primaries because I was hoping Lady Clinton, the far lesser danger, would prevail

John McCain kicks off tonight in New Orleans. Drudge has preview.

596 tangonine  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:14:31pm

I'll be buying all my rifles/pistols and reducing my "tax signature" forthwith.

597 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:14:31pm

re: #586 ethanxxx

Good news. The man is a disgrace.

598 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:14:46pm

re: #595 Quintus_Arius

I know for many, including me, John McCain wasn't our first or second choice, but if we sit on our asses and let BHO in the back door we all should be tried for treason. The anti-military, socialist BOH is not acceptable.

And no, it's not OK to just vote for John..let's go to work NOW.
I've been holding out going after Obama during the primaries because I was hoping Lady Clinton, the far lesser danger, would prevail

John McCain kicks off tonight in New Orleans. Drudge has preview.

Well said.

599 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:15:18pm

re: #574 McJeff

The best we can hope for is for Obama to do a truly terrible job as president, so that the country is prepared to elect a real conservative, as opposed to a joke like McCain.

The fact is a real conservative wouldn't have a stones throw chance in hell winning the general election. Somehow, someway, we all got lucky with John McCain. Now, let's all get behind OUR CANDIDATE and let's save the country, and maybe the world, again.

600 maximoso  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:15:27pm

re: #575 unrealizedviewpoint

A democratic super-majority is a done deal. The only possible temperance will be the party of the president.

Yes - but our only option for POTUS is John McCain - and he " wants to get things done "

Do you think he'll join the republicans - or the Supermajority Democratic party in choosing what those things are.

I'm betting my money on McCain's " GET THINGS DONE " policies pandering to the LIBERALS - and cut the knees off the Republicans from stopping him.
* Global Warming Cap & Trade Bill
* Open Borders
* Bush Tax Cuts expiring
* Expansion of the McCain Feingold Bill

All with the Republican Brand on them. I actually think we can stop a few of the policies on that list with strong timely citizen campaigns and a vocal Minority party. With John McCain - I think they'll all pass and more.

I just don't trust John McCain. He's the same Republican that almost left the Republican Party in 2000.

601 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:16:16pm

re: #592 yochanan

TROLLS WILL TRY THE 'PERFECT CONSECRATIVE FIRING SQUAD' RANT TO KEEP THE GOP DIVIDED GO BACK TO KOS

Here is my question. McCain wins. Will he all of a sudden realize that he is the last bastion of conservative principles and fight back and veto everything for the next 4 years? No way. He is going to want to feel the need to accomplish something even if that means running the gamut with his reach around reaching across the aisle.

602 ethanxxx  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:16:41pm

VOTE MCCAIN
AN AMERICAN HERO
AN AMERICAN NAME

603 MellyMel  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:16:44pm

re: #592 yochanan

TROLLS WILL TRY THE 'PERFECT CONSECRATIVE FIRING SQUAD' RANT TO KEEP THE GOP DIVIDED GO BACK TO KOS

Exactly.

604 VegasRick  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:17:16pm

re: #602 ethanxxx

VOTE MCCAIN
AN AMERICAN HERO
AN AMERICAN NAME

[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

A little hope.

605 yochanan  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:17:33pm

'PERFECT CONSECRATIVE FIRING SQUAD' rant is getting old and tired but i really think it is coming from TROLLS who want to divide the gop.

the time for the debate on these issues was during the primary at this point it is clear who is doing this and why.

606 tangonine  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:17:47pm

I'll add that, I'm sorry, but I have pretty much zero faith in the "conservative base" after the last two idiots that the democrats nearly got elected came so close.

McCain is a nitwit and won't rally near the numbers of Barraq Obamastan. I'll vote, but I have to take care of my family and their rights, and I don't trust the rest of the "conservatives" to back me up.

607 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:17:50pm

re: #600 maximoso

Yes - but our only option for POTUS is John McCain - and he " wants to get things done "

Do you think he'll join the republicans - or the Supermajority Democratic party in choosing what those things are.

I'm betting my money on McCain's " GET THINGS DONE " policies pandering to the LIBERALS - and cut the knees off the Republicans from stopping him.
* Global Warming Cap & Trade Bill
* Open Borders
* Bush Tax Cuts expiring
* Expansion of the McCain Feingold Bill

All with the Republican Brand on them. I actually think we can stop a few of the policies on that list with strong timely citizen campaigns and a vocal Minority party. With John McCain - I think they'll all pass and more.

I just don't trust John McCain. He's the same Republican that almost left the Republican Party in 2000.

Tom Daschle ApprovedTM!

608 WrathofG-d  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:18:43pm

Y'all should have heard the Tom H____ (Tom Harkin maybe?) guy this morning on "scAir America" he pretty much came out directly and stated that a vote for McCain is a vote for death and destruction; we can be ensured that more people will be murdered in our streets, people will die, STDs will run rampant, back ally abortions will be taking place everywhere...

etc.

That is pretty much a direct quote. I challange anyone to find the tape. It was this morning at about 9:14 a.m. or so.

++I'd look it up but too busy.

609 bulwrk  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:19:21pm

We have an army deployed and fighting in a foreign land and people are not going to exercise their right to vote because why?

610 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:19:26pm

I still say he's unelectable. Many people in this country are idiots, but not most of them.

611 maximoso  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:21:06pm

re: #576 shibumi

You're exactly right.

However...things do tend to move slowly in government. Especially big government. Didn't it take Bush years to get the Medicare Drug program going? I'm hoping (praying really) that in a worst case scenario, the really bad stuff the Dems try to do will be so bogged down in details that they will be almost impossible to enact.

Yes - but Bush never had a Supermajority in congress to cram policies through congress without review.

Obama is bought and paid for by the hard left. They could have already worked out policies behind the doors in anticipation of his being informed. With a strong enough Minority - we could easily slow things down. Without one - I'm concerned that ALOT of damage could be done.

Think about how quickly the Comprehensive Immigration Bill almost got written in a backdoor group with LaRaza / Lulac / and a handful of Senators and pushed through - it passed the Senate with a Republican Majority and massive outcry from the American Citizen and got hung up in the House of Representatives when Denny Hastert put the Kabash on it. With McCain Presidency and Democrats controlling both houses - that's a done deal - no looking back. If Republicans speak out - McCain will punish them both in public and private b/c that's the kindof person he is. A patriot = Yes - but also a Stubborn and vindictive person when you cross him politically.

Possibly same for Obama - but we have a chance at stopping it with very active public.

612 snowcrash  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:21:16pm

re: #610 Noam Sayin'
I'm with you, Noam.(plus I recognize your nic LOL)

613 MellyMel  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:21:17pm

re: #610 Noam Sayin'

I still say he's unelectable. Many people in this country are idiots, but not most of them.

Thank you saying that waaaayyyyy more succinctly than I could ever dream. Spot on.

614 WrathofG-d  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:21:26pm

re: #608 WrathofG-d **UPDATE**

That would be Thom Hartmann on KTLK AM 1150 ("Progressive is the new Mainstream")

615 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:21:27pm
616 Tangonine  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:21:43pm

re: #610 Noam Sayin'

I still say he's unelectable. Many people in this country are idiots, but not most of them.

I'd argue just the opposite.

617 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:22:11pm

re: #600 maximoso

I'm not so interested in arguing the points of your post, as no good can come from. See post #599 for my opinion.

618 Whiterasta  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:22:57pm

Folks, I don't have a dog in this fight.

I'm not an American Citizen, but I am seeing a few comments of those of you who are American Citizens, declining or refusing to vote in the upcoming election.

As a foreigner, let me remind you that 4/5's of the world's population does not have the right to vote.

America is the strongest nation in the world and it should remain so.

So get yourselves out there and vote!

Now tell me to shut up and mind my own bidness....

619 razorbacker  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:23:13pm

On the bright side, as soon as Obamaramadingdong is elected, he'll bring those poor servicemen home where they'll be safe.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

From the story...

Crutchfield was attacked on January 5 while he and his girlfriend were waiting for a bus. He had heeded the warnings of commanders that a Marine on leave might be seen as a prime robbery target with a pocketful of money, so he only carried $8, his military ID card and a bank card.

"They took it, turned his pockets inside out, took what he had and told him since he was a Marine and didn't have any money he didn't deserve to live. They put the gun to his neck and shot him," Holt told The Associated Press.

The two men charged in the attack were identified as Ean Farrow, 19, and Thomas Ray III, 20, both of Cleveland. Their attorneys did not respond to The Associated Press' requests for comment.

I am speechless.

620 ethanxxx  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:23:16pm

re: #610 Noam Sayin'

I still say he's unelectable. Many people in this country are idiots, but not most of them.

Evening Noam. I think you're right. I'm really not as worried about B. Hussein as I was a couple months ago. Just because he fooled the Progressive Left doesn't really matter much.

621 WrathofG-d  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:23:17pm

re: #614 WrathofG-d

That would be Thom Hartmann on KTLK AM 1150 ("Progressive is the new Mainstream")

Here is the "podcast"?

622 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:23:39pm

re: #599 unrealizedviewpoint

The fact is a real conservative wouldn't have a stones throw chance in hell winning the general election. Somehow, someway, we all got lucky with John McCain. Now, let's all get behind OUR CANDIDATE and let's save the country, and maybe the world, again.

Tell that to Rush. That line of thinking is the EXACT reason why BHO even stands a .0001 percent chance of winning. When he shouldn't even be a hiss or a byword. We sold out on principle and widened our stance as we tapped our toe under a bathroom stall 'tent'.

Now McCain is realizing this and is going to be camouflaging his liberalism by throwing a bone to the conservatives by bringing on a conservative Veep...even then that is speculative on my part.

I'll pull the lever for the old codger, but I will bitch and moan up to / during / and well after I vote UNLESS he pulls his head out and changes my mind which even then I am sure I will still rant about his upcoming stupid policies he is going to sell us out on.

623 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:23:47pm

re: #607 Oh no...Sand People!

Tom Daschle ApprovedTM!

Why are we taking Daschle's word for this?

624 DesertSage  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:25:11pm

re: #610 Noam Sayin'

I still say he's unelectable. Many people in this country are idiots, but not most of them.

Most of them are idiots in my neck of the woods.

625 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:25:31pm

re: #433 mama winger

I knew I should have shaved my legs today.

Please no more leg shaving threads. Please.

626 MellyMel  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:25:48pm

re: #616 Tangonine

I'd argue just the opposite.

To which statement? And why?

627 Former Belgian  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:25:51pm

re: #25 Occasional Reader

Visualize a humiliating McCain 40+ State sweep.

From your mouth to G-d's ear.

628 offendi  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:26:09pm

Look this is about the best news Republicrat John McCain could get. He has a chance against an inexperienced, not ready for prime time candidate. Hillary would have beaten him up and taken his lunch money.

The real issue is what kind of campaign McCain will run. Bob Dole redux or a smart, savvy aggressive campaign. My problem is that I think McCaine will run a mixture of the two, being too conscious of
" offending" African-American voters at the expense of winning. He has been a Senator for too long and may think being collegial is the way to go. You know the extreme liberal online minions will savage him left and right as well as the MSM.

629 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:26:27pm

re: #495 OldLineTexan

Is Luap Nor on the ballot by some magick?

He was on the ballot here today. And there were more than a few bumper stickers driving around today.

630 maximoso  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:26:50pm

re: #592 yochanan

TROLLS WILL TRY THE 'PERFECT CONSECRATIVE FIRING SQUAD' RANT TO KEEP THE GOP DIVIDED GO BACK TO KOS

Blow it out your ass.

I don't read the Ko's. I'm a conservative Republican. You go visit the Ko's. The Only person dividing the Republican party right now is John McCain by morphing into a Democrat.

631 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:27:11pm

re: #602 ethanxxx

AN AMERICAN NAME

Not crazy about that part of slogan. Um, what's "an American name" supposed to mean?'

632 yochanan  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:27:26pm

you never get everything you might want JOHN MCCAIN gets the war on islmo fascism, that if Iran gets a nuke it will be ww3. and he supports the iraq war till we win.

OBAMA WILL CUT THE MILITARY DOWN TO ALMOST NOTHING. HE WILL BE FOR DEFEAT IN IRAQ AND ALL HE WILL DO WHEN IRAN GETS AND USES ITS NUKES WILL BE TO SAY OOPS.!

only a fool doesn't see this.

633 Tangonine  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:27:38pm

re: #618 Whiterasta

Folks, I don't have a dog in this fight.

Oh, no matter what country you're from, you absolutely do have a dog in this fight because your relationship with the USA hangs in the balance, one way or the other.

634 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:28:23pm

re: #632 yochanan

you never get everything you might want JOHN MCCAIN gets the war on islmo fascism, that if Iran gets a nuke it will be ww3. and he supports the iraq war till we win.

OBAMA WILL CUT THE MILITARY DOWN TO ALMOST NOTHING. HE WILL BE FOR DEFEAT IN IRAQ AND ALL HE WILL DO WHEN IRAN GETS AND USES ITS NUKES WILL BE TO SAY OOPS.!

only a fool doesn't see this.

Hallelujah

635 runrabbitrun  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:28:23pm

re: #599 unrealizedviewpoint

The fact is a real conservative wouldn't have a stones throw chance in hell winning the general election.

I think you got that right. We can't win elections in the US by trying to re-educate the politicians, as many hope to do. We are going to have to re-educate the population as to the principles articulated in the Constitution and why the US is different than any other nation in the world, with power flowing from the people to those in government (rather than the other way around, where the rights the people were born with can be 'un-recognized' at any time the wrong gang gets into office).

Too bad this will take many generations to achieve.

636 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:28:33pm

re: #529 Bosk

Actually I do not think that a Hussien/Hill ticket will motivate the conservatives. First they are as mad as hell at the Republicans for leaving the conservitive movement, and two they want someone to vote for not just to vote against.

So does that mean that every time you don't have someone you want to vote for, you will by your actions help out those who are most abhorrent to you?

That's a principled stand? This is a representational democracy, so I guess you are going to sit out some elections, like this one?

I feel like I'm pretty conservative, but I sure won't NOT vote for the most qualified candidate.

If you are not speaking for yourself but for others, maybe you shouldn't disseminate the idea that you know what they are thinking.

637 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:29:28pm

re: #627 Former Belgian

From your mouth to G-d's ear.

Well amongst everything else I plan on doing to insure McCain's election, a little pray wouldn't hurt.

638 Bob in Breckenridge  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:29:29pm

It ain't over until the pantsuit cackles!

mama winger- Cubbies have won 8 IN A ROW!

639 Shaky Louie  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:29:46pm

re: #608 WrathofG-d

Y'all should have heard the Tom H____ (Tom Harkin maybe?) guy this morning on "scAir America" he pretty much came out directly and stated that a vote for McCain is a vote for death and destruction; we can be ensured that more people will be murdered in our streets, people will die, STDs will run rampant, back ally abortions will be taking place everywhere...


"cats and dogs...living together! Human sacrifice!"
What's not funny is I know people who believe that as quickley as they believe that Carter was better than President Bush. I like to tell then that "Bush could easily declare martial law for (pick their favorite delusion) and as you know, that will stop any change of administration."
"No way, man! The people won't stand for it!" And off they go! Quite amuzing. For a while.

640 maximoso  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:29:54pm

re: #610 Noam Sayin'

I still say he's unelectable. Many people in this country are idiots, but not most of them.

There's a chance you're right.

Obama's big wild card is the youth vote. Will they come out in numbers or not come general Election. History shows - NO - but in the primaries they have been very active.

I think McCain will take the very reliable senior vote pretty strongly.

641 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:29:55pm
642 HDrepub  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:29:55pm

re: #557 EC Marm

Yeah, and I could show you my posts from just a few months back where Rudy was the favorite at that site with 40% or so against McCain with 3%. Those 'gaming' sites are good for the Vegas types to pick the pockets of emotional people. For entertainment purposes only. Chin up.

The day of the election of 2004 the site had Kerry taking the Presidency. This was because of skewed and biased exit polls. I wish I'd put about a 1000 on GWB about noon.

643 The Shadow Do  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:30:09pm

re: #574 McJeff

The best we can hope for is for Obama to do a truly terrible job as president, so that the country is prepared to elect a real conservative, as opposed to a joke like McCain.

Sure sign of getting old. I am somewhat astonished by this school of thought. I suspect some of the "I will not vote for President" crowd actually see this as some sort of wise strategy. Folks, there has rarely been any election that did not require use of the old "lesser of..." canard.

I was there. In the gas lines resulting from naive price cap policies. I know stagflation. I lived with a misery index. I witnessed the dismantlement of the military. I saw America humiliated by unilateral diplomacy.

This Obama - the harbinger of change, uplifting cleanser of the political scene, media darling, and inspiration to America's youth is not one whit different than the man from Plains and the Peanut Brigade he rode in on.

People just refuse to learn.

644 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:30:39pm
645 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:30:39pm

Sweet jebus, folks.... BHO didn't win the damn election yet, now did he? What's with the defeatism in this thread? Sheesh.

646 WrathofG-d  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:30:49pm

People here are really not going to vote for McCain because they don't think he is Conservative enough?

He isn't, but would you rather Obama?

We are long past the time of discussing whether or not McCain should be the Republican nominee. He shouldn't....but he is.

Get on board, vote McCain.

Not doing so is like the LLL arguing still in 2008, over whether or not we should have gone into Iraq....eitherway we are there NOW and must deal with what we have! We can argue over whether we should have gone to Iraq after we have won the war, and over whether we should have McCain as our nominee after we have won the election.

647 Whiterasta  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:31:29pm

re: #633 Tangonine

You are correct, but I would not attempt to say anything about an election I have no influence over. (Can't vote, there...)

Suffice to say, it is my considered opinion that the American voters always elect the right person.

Jummah The Peanut, excepted....

648 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:31:50pm

re: #575 unrealizedviewpoint

A democratic super-majority is a done deal. The only possible temperance will be the party of the president.

That's just totally an opinion statement. There's absolutely nothing to indicate that McCain has no chance in this race.

649 Tangonine  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:31:58pm

re: #626 MellyMel

to this: "Many people in this country are idiots, but not most of them."

in my experience, that's reversed. See every presidential election back to Reagan.

650 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:32:34pm

re: #644 buzzsawmonkey

Of course it doesn't matter much. The Progressive Left only controls

1) The majority of mainstream media (newspapers, radio, TV news)
2) The film industry
3) The universities (and the public schools)
4) More than half the Congress
5) The large urban political machines
6) The small political machines of college towns and many small cities
7) The vote fraud groups such as ACORN
8) The publishing industry
9) The welfare-dependent urban and rural poor

and in addition, commands the loyalties of probably 2/3 of recent university graduates.

Why on earth should anyone worry about that?

651 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:32:40pm

re: #645 Occasional Reader

Sweet jebus, folks.... BHO didn't win the damn election yet, now did he? What's with the defeatism in this thread? Sheesh.

Point well taken. It does not matter who Potus is for me to know in my heart of hearts I am a free man. It doesn't even take a document known as the "Constitution" to tell me that.

652 Tangonine  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:32:59pm

re: #647 Whiterasta

You are correct, but I would not attempt to say anything about an election I have no influence over. (Can't vote, there...)

Suffice to say, it is my considered opinion that the American voters always elect the right person.

Jummah The Peanut, excepted....


trust me: we're off more than we're on.

653 WrathofG-d  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:33:02pm

re: #639 Shaky Louie

you really should listen to what he actually said on the Air (in the link I gave above). It is more over-the-top then anything I could have quoted for him. Its pure scare tactics, really emotional, crazy stuff. The fact that people called in to agree, was even worse.

For sure worth a 20 minute listen.

654 yochanan  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:33:29pm

re: #630 maximoso

Blow it out your ass. LOOKS MORE LIKE A CRANIAL RECTIAL INSERTION TO ME


I don't read the Ko's. I'm a conservative Republican. You go visit the Ko's. The Only person dividing the Republican party right now is John McCain by morphing into a Democrat.

ENJOY 8 YEARS OF OBAMA AND THE CHALIPHAT.
YOUR JUST A SORE LOSER OR A TROLL YOUR CALL.
THE WHOLE POINT OF YOUR PERFECT CONS. RANTS ARE TO HAVE OBAMA AS POTUS.

the time for the debate you are having was back in the primary. the fact that none of the PERFECT CONS. ran is not my problem.

655 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:33:31pm

re: #636 really grumpy big dog Johnson

So does that mean that every time you don't have someone you want to vote for, you will by your actions help out those who are most abhorrent to you?

That's a principled stand? This is a representational democracy, so I guess you are going to sit out some elections, like this one?

I feel like I'm pretty conservative, but I sure won't NOT vote for the most qualified candidate.

If you are not speaking for yourself but for others, maybe you shouldn't disseminate the idea that you know what they are thinking.

Nicely put
The old saying is true. No vote is a vote for the one you don't want. The Koslings and the DUmmies will be out in force. Anyone in favor of islamofascism will be out, everyone wanting to expand the socialist empire and turn this country into the USSR circa 1980 will be there, everyone who hates this country and everything it stands for will be there.

But if someone who wants these people stopped sits on their ass instead of going to vote, then they win and everything you believe will become a crime. Check out canada and the Steyn case right now. Thought crimes are coming, get off your asses and vote against that at least.

656 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:33:38pm
657 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:33:40pm

re: #643 The Shadow Do

This Obama - the harbinger of change, uplifting cleanser of the political scene, media darling, and inspiration to America's youth is not one whit different than the man from Plains and the Peanut Brigade he rode in on

I think your wrong on that. Obama is much more dangerous. But other than that, I'm with ya!

658 biff  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:33:55pm

Brilliant move by Hillary. When the truth comes crashing down in September, she'll become the nominee.

659 VegasRick  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:34:30pm

re: #645 Occasional Reader

Sweet jebus, folks.... BHO didn't win the damn election yet, now did he? What's with the defeatism in this thread? Sheesh.

[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

I posted this earlier but I don't think anyone read it. There is hope.

660 offendi  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:34:35pm

Even with all the revelations about Obama so far, McCain only has 50-50 shot in my estimation, also provided he doesn't hire Mark Penn.

661 Whiterasta  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:34:35pm

re: #652 Tangonine

Naah, you Yanks do alright, most of the time....

662 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:34:42pm

re: #624 DesertSage

Most of them are idiots in my neck of the woods.

Mine, too. But we have to realize that most people haven't really paid attention to the primaries like we have, and won't until some time in late September. By then, they've known this has been the longest campaign season in history and they're sick of it. They want it to be over with. The conservatives will vote conservative - because the have to. Staying home will ruin American and they love her too much for that. The liberals will vote liberal - because they need to show their multi-culti liberal bonafides by voting for the A-f-r-i-c-a-n A-m-e-r-i-c-a-n candidate. The rest of us - I'd say 40% - will most likely vote McCain because he's mostly a centrist and Obama is a fucking idiot.

BRB

663 ethanxxx  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:35:12pm

re: #631 Occasional Reader

Not crazy about that part of slogan. Um, what's "an American name" supposed to mean?'

It's just Word Art. It's supposed to be thought provoking. For the record, I don't have an American sounding name. It's more of shot to the Left than anything else.

664 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:35:18pm

re: #640 maximoso

There's a chance you're right.

Obama's big wild card is the youth vote. Will they come out in numbers or not come general Election. History shows - NO - but in the primaries they have been very active.

I think McCain will take the very reliable senior vote pretty strongly.

Most of the youth here supporting him were underage. That won't help him.

665 Meremortal  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:35:42pm

The Democrats are extremely excited. The base is happy. Hope is everywhere on the Left. Chavez is happy. Castro is happy. Kim Jong Il is happy and ronery. Al Qaeda is happy. Europe is happy, especially Parisans. Putin is happy. Assad is happy. Zawahri is happy. Canada is happy. Iran's leadership is happy and ready to talk. Gun control freaks are happy. Berkeley and Boulder are happy. Even Code PInk is, well, not livid.

And as always, that which makes all the above happy cannot be good for America.

We will fix that in November, and all of the above can return to being unhappy.

666 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:36:13pm

re: #606 tangonine

I'll add that, I'm sorry, but I have pretty much zero faith in the "conservative base" after the last two idiots that the democrats nearly got elected came so close.

McCain is a nitwit and won't rally near the numbers of Barraq Obamastan. I'll vote, but I have to take care of my family and their rights, and I don't trust the rest of the "conservatives" to back me up.

According to what you say, it doesn't sound the the conservatives are those you cannot trust.

667 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:36:38pm

re: #622 Oh no...Sand People!

Tell that to Rush. That line of thinking is the EXACT reason why BHO even stands a .0001 percent chance of winning. When he shouldn't even be a hiss or a byword. We sold out on principle and widened our stance as we tapped our toe under a bathroom stall 'tent'.

Now McCain is realizing this and is going to be camouflaging his liberalism by throwing a bone to the conservatives by bringing on a conservative Veep...even then that is speculative on my part.

Wait till you see McCain pandering to the left for their votes. Your heads gonna spin. He needs draw lefty votes to win, as the conservatives are probably staying home.

I'll pull the lever for the old codger, but I will bitch and moan up to / during / and well after I vote UNLESS he pulls his head out and changes my mind which even then I am sure I will still rant about his upcoming stupid policies he is going to sell us out on.

I truly believe once he's in office his conscience will guide him. And I'm really okay with that. I'm not as far right as I used to be.

668 saylorfam  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:37:08pm

Hi Everybody,
Had a few minutes and a fast computer so I thought I jump in.
I have never been involved in an election where you had two such weak candidates going against each other. I now have two choices either to vote for McCain or just sit this one out. I have voted in every election since Nixon in 72 and am just flat out disgusted. I am very disheartened.

669 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:37:46pm
670 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:37:59pm

re: #655 Mars Needs Neocons

Nicely put
The old saying is true. No vote is a vote for the one you don't want. The Koslings and the DUmmies will be out in force. Anyone in favor of islamofascism will be out, everyone wanting to expand the socialist empire and turn this country into the USSR circa 1980 will be there, everyone who hates this country and everything it stands for will be there.

But if someone who wants these people stopped sits on their ass instead of going to vote, then they win and everything you believe will become a crime. Check out canada and the Steyn case right now. Thought crimes are coming, get off your asses and vote against that at least.

This blog will be absolutely overrun with mobys during the run up to the general election.

I guarantee it.

671 looking closely  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:38:02pm

With respect to McCain bashing, don't forget also that the office has a way of elevating the man who holds it.

Keep your eye on the ball. These are the three most major issues for the President to deal with:

a. Foreign policy
b. Supreme Court appointments.
c. Taxes

In all three there are wide-gulf differences between McCain and Obama, none IMO to Obama's favor.

672 Yankee Division Son  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:38:06pm

re: #661 Whiterasta

Naah, you Yanks do alright, most of the time....

"Yanks"... Are you from UK?

673 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:38:11pm

re: #647 Whiterasta

You are correct, but I would not attempt to say anything about an election I have no influence over. (Can't vote, there...)

Suffice to say, it is my considered opinion that the American voters always elect the right person.

Jummah The Peanut, excepted....

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

674 maximoso  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:38:49pm

re: #653 WrathofG-d

you really should listen to what he actually said on the Air (in the link I gave above). It is more over-the-top then anything I could have quoted for him. Its pure scare tactics, really emotional, crazy stuff. The fact that people called in to agree, was even worse.

For sure worth a 20 minute listen.

Air America has gone completely off the hitch.

I rarely listen - but flipped the dial on my car radio the other day - and they had a Professor openly promoting the abolishment of Capitalism in America and how it's the only way we can solve the environmental problems of the world.

Needless to say - I was livid when I turned the radio and it took me about 10 minutes to calm down. Without capitalism - there wouldn't even be an Air America. It's kindof scary to think that there are a large number of people in the country who don't understand that.

675 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:38:50pm
676 Former Belgian  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:39:08pm

re: #619 razorbacker

On the bright side, as soon as Obamaramadingdong is elected, he'll bring those poor servicemen home where they'll be safe.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

From the story...

I am speechless.

Here is the MySpace page of one of the two "wastes of oxygen" who did this:

[Link: profile.myspace.com...]

Rope. Tree. Two murdering b*stards. Some assembly required.

677 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:39:43pm

re: #663 ethanxxx

It's just Word Art. It's supposed to be thought provoking. For the record, I don't have an American sounding name. It's more of shot to the Left than anything else.

Well, let's ditch it. It's counterproductive. It can easily be attacked as "bigotry", whatever the intention was. "Look, they're trying to say that McCain has a 'real American name', meaning white people are the only 'real Americans'."

678 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:39:58pm

re: #638 Bob in Breckenridge

It ain't over until the pantsuit cackles!

LOL

679 Geepers  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:40:24pm

saylorfam (#668),

Don't vote. Stay home. And you'll get "Change." You'll go from being disheartened to dismayed.

680 culan  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:40:39pm

Father Pfleger's Archbishop asked him to take a leave of absence.
[Link: www.suntimes.com...]

681 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:40:40pm

re: #661 Whiterasta

Naah, you Yanks do alright, most of the time....

Did you not notice Bill Clinton?

/

682 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:41:01pm

Well, I am praying that McCain is the winner, but just in case, I'm stocking up on food, paying off as much debt as I can between now and November and will be maxing my 401k and Roth IRA contributions. Aggressively. I want to be on a cash basis as much as possible.

Heh...even if McCain wins I'm still out of debt, will not have to do alot of grocery shopping and will have awesome investments toward my retirement!

683 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:41:02pm
684 madisonsfriend  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:41:18pm

I read he still needs 10 delegates_ I guess that is the same as clinching but....

685 jetpilot1101  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:41:52pm

re: #381 goddessoftheclassroom

Okay, I am almost convinced you ARE my brother--is your first initial a K?

Sadly no but wouldn't that have been cool if it was!

686 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:42:13pm

re: #643 The Shadow Do

People just refuse to learn remember.

fixed

687 ted  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:42:16pm

re: #665 Meremortal

Don't forget:


Fidel Castro Endorses Obama


Posted GMT 5-28-2008 8:41:25

Presidential candidates usually collect the endorsements of governors, senators and aldermen. But Obama is getting the backing of thug after thug on the international scene. Castro became the latest when, in an article in the Cuban government organ Granma, he gave the Democratic front-runner the closest thing to an endorsement the communist despot has ever bestowed.

Castro called Obama, "this man who is doubtless, from the social and human points of view, the most progressive candidate to the U.S. presidency." He also oddly conceded what the effect of his praise would be: "Were I to defend him, I would do his adversaries an enormous favor."

This comes after Nicaraguan president Daniel Ortega praised Obama and his political allies as "laying the foundations for a revolutionary change" in America.

Then there's the seized laptop of Raul Reyes, warlord with Colombia's Marxist-Leninist FARC narcoterrorist group slain in an army raid in March. It contained Reyes' cheery report of some "gringos" he met assuring him that Obama would be the next president.

Which raises a question: When Obama promised, as he did in a recent speech on Latin American policy, that "we will fully support Colombia's fight against the FARC," does that mean more military aid or just "social" aid?

Data on Reyes' computer also implicated Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez as supporting FARC as it tries to overthrow Colombia's government. Can we guess from all this who Chavez himself would like to see in power in Washington? And let's not forget the chief political adviser to Hamas' Gaza leader Ismail Haniyeh remarking, "We like Mr. Obama, and we hope he will win the election." By contrast, Obama rival John McCain was blasted by Castro earlier this year when the Arizona senator reiterated claims made in his memoirs of Cuban Communists torturing U.S. POWs in Hanoi. "Let me remind you, Mr. McCain," said Castro, "the commandments of the religion you practice prohibit lying." The Castros and Chavezes and Mahmoud Ahmadinejads of today's dangerous world are masters of the lie. That's why Sen. Obama's willingness to speak to all of them without precondition so thrills these enemies of freedom.

Investors Business Daily

[Link: www.aina.org...]

688 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:42:36pm

re: #684 madisonsfriend

I read he still needs 10 delegates_ I guess that is the same as clinching but....

They can dig up more than that in any cemetery in Chicago!

689 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:42:54pm

re: #670 really grumpy big dog Johnson

This blog will be absolutely overrun with mobys during the run up to the general election.

I guarantee it.

I think you're right. The past two elections prove that.

690 nyc redneck  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:43:21pm

this bitter fool will not become potus.

691 MellyMel  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:43:22pm

re: #649 Tangonine

In my lifetime, that's not very far back at all. So, no, I don't hold to the notion that most American's are idiots. Are there many I vehemently disagree with -- yes -- but the majority WILL do the right thing for their country in the end.

We like to talk trash and hash out our opinions, but most of us do what we must to ensure the continuation of this great nation. Including voting for McCain.

/He wasn't my first, second or third choice by the way. But I will pull the lever for him in a hearbeat to stop NObama and/or Hilldebeast.

692 Meremortal  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:43:31pm

re: #681 Mars Needs Neocons

Did you not notice Bill Clinton?

/

We tempered Bill with a Republican Congress and got a lot of good things done among the bad things that Clinton wrought. That's the great thing about this country, it's stronger than its' enemies, and stronger than poor candidates that get elected.

We will be OK. Obama loses, and we will have gridlock government. Not such a bad thing.

693 razorbacker  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:44:13pm

"Be of good cheer, boys, things could always be worse.

And sure enough, things got worse."

Who said that? Before I just did, of course.

694 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:44:14pm

re: #648 really grumpy big dog Johnson

You may want to reread my #575

695 GGMac  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:44:19pm

What really floors me about this is that because of his terrorist associations (Ayers...), vehemently anti-American mentor/pastor (Wright), and the public remarks of his wife, his husseinness would be denied even the most basic Federal security clearance - if he were applying for a routine government job.

Job applicants - vetted

Government appointments - vetted

Elective office - anything goes, walk right in, we don't give a rat's ass who you have/do spend your time with.


Sheesh!

696 imtoast  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:45:09pm

re: #465 NY Nana

It was, in a way, almost endurable, as we lived close to family. I was not aware of it until I was old enough to understand. The Jew hate during WWII I was protected from.

This was the Harvard my boy cousins had to deal with in the late 1940's....they were graduates of Boys Latin, which Kosh mentioned.

There were unwritten restrictions on just how few Jews could be admitted at Harvard and elsewhere.

My oldest male cousin graduated Summa From Harvard..and could not get into the med. school. he went to Tufts, and went on to become a renowned radiologist who never got over the feelings of rejection he had.

When my Mum was pregnant with me in 1937, they went looking for a bigger apartment, in Brighton...and because of the family surname, which my Dad refused to change, and for which I am so proud of him for, the janitor very kindly said that they could not rent there, and told them that no Jews were allowed...he was very sad, my parents told me, when I was about 13, and we were moving.

Our neighborhood, in another part of Brighton, was almost all Jewish, and the Jews of Boston in my day were nearly all of Lithuanian heritage...and our Grans all knew each other. I could not go 2 buildings away from the boundaries I had without my Mum coming to where I was! I thought she had eyes in the back of her head! Later I found out about the Good Old Girls' Network'...someone's mother would see that I was where I was not supposed to be, and call my Mum!

On the serious side? It was not only Boston, nor was it just Harvard. Restrictions were a part of life, in jobs, also.

There were unwritten quotas to keep us out, not to assure we had to be admitted. And we had to be twice as good...

I could not get into the nursing school at either the Mass. General, or the Children's' hospital in Boston, in spite of my grades and recommendations..no Jew allowed in 1955.

I ended up in a Jewish hospital in Brooklyn to train, after having to resign from training at the Beth Israel, in Boston; wicked case of infectious mono. I wanted to make a new start.

BBL...time to get dinner on the table!

Wow, I had no idea it was like that here. I know that there has been antisemitism, but not to that degree. Geez!

697 looking closely  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:45:15pm

re: #674 maximoso

Air America has gone completely off the hitch. Without capitalism - there wouldn't even be an Air America. It's kindof scary to think that there are a large number of people in the country who don't understand that.


LOL.
I wouldn't worry about it.
No matter how kooky the idea, there will always be someone who "bites". . .so what?
The free market of ideas is operational, and it explains why Air America has no listeners and is barely afloat.

Now, when Air America is the ONLY channel on the radio, that's when I would get worried.

698 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:45:23pm

re: #674 maximoso

Air America has gone completely off the hitch.

I rarely listen - but flipped the dial on my car radio the other day - and they had a Professor openly promoting the abolishment of Capitalism in America and how it's the only way we can solve the environmental problems of the world.

Needless to say - I was livid when I turned the radio and it took me about 10 minutes to calm down. Without capitalism - there wouldn't even be an Air America. It's kindof scary to think that there are a large number of people in the country who don't understand that.

Actually if it were just by capitalism aIrhead america would have tanked out the gate. That station has pulled scams and been given preference by some organizations in opposition to the advertising revenue it generates.
(Hannity might be a bit of a shill for the admin, but he has detailed all of the crap AA has pulled from its inception)

699 Meremortal  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:45:35pm

re: #687 ted

Hey, eagle bro!

Right on.l Gotta run, later.

700 littleO  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:45:58pm

My advice to the Dimm's:
Don't pressure BHO to take Hill and Bill on the ticket.
Dump H. Dean from the DNC chair.
Somehow leverage out both of your Majority Leaders, (pelosy and Reid).
Vote for McCain.

701 ted  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:45:58pm

re: #680 culan

Father Pfleger's Archbishop asked him to take a leave of absence.
[Link: www.suntimes.com...]

Send him to vacation at Gitmo.

702 maximoso  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:46:07pm

re: #654 yochanan

ENJOY 8 YEARS OF OBAMA AND THE CHALIPHAT.
YOUR JUST A SORE LOSER OR A TROLL YOUR CALL.
THE WHOLE POINT OF YOUR PERFECT CONS. RANTS ARE TO HAVE OBAMA AS POTUS.

the time for the debate you are having was back in the primary. the fact that none of the PERFECT CONS. ran is not my problem.

And you are a mental midget.

You can't speak to my specific issues I pointed - so you have to go to name calling. That's an effective tactic if you control the media like the left.

I respect your Israeli Flag - and I support the coutnry as much as the most ardent supporters - but flaming me as a Troll or Sore Loser reflects on your character and does nothing to change anybody's mind.

The whole point of my "Perfect cons rants" - as you choose to categorize them is to keep America strong FOR THE LONG TERM with originalist judges to stop judicial activism / a limited government role in it's citizen's lives. The FACT IS - the activists and most reliable part of the Republican party are Conservatives. Candidates need a ground game and fund raising and Conservatives contribute the lions share of this to the republican party. They are not hte only part - but a very large part and having a President who puts a stick in their eye - whenever he gets the chance pisses people off. Even if the Cosnervatives vote for Obama in the end - he will not have a strong ground game that they usually give to the Republican party.

McCain is pandering to the Democrats - so I guess he's got some plan to get them to put out the vote. That's his choice - not mine.

703 Tangonine  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:46:13pm

re: #666 really grumpy big dog Johnson

According to what you say, it doesn't sound the the conservatives are those you cannot trust.

what?

704 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:46:19pm

re: #667 unrealizedviewpoint

I truly believe once he's in office his conscience will guide him. And I'm really okay with that. I'm not as far right as I used to be.

HOPE!


/Alright. Good on ya.

705 Shaky Louie  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:46:22pm

re: #653 WrathofG-d
Went there and, after only reading his "bio", I'll just say...I believe you!

706 Catttt  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:46:23pm

re: #668 saylorfam

Hi Everybody,
Had a few minutes and a fast computer so I thought I jump in.
I have never been involved in an election where you had two such weak candidates going against each other. I now have two choices either to vote for McCain or just sit this one out. I have voted in every election since Nixon in 72 and am just flat out disgusted. I am very disheartened.

Wait - there are reasons to get behind McCain.

There is no doubt that he is far better on the important stuff - our security and taxes, in particular.

707 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:46:34pm

My only hope is that the people will eventually get so pissed off at the removal of basic freedoms that they will revolt. You can't hold the desire for freedom down for long. In the interim, there will be hell.

708 ted  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:47:23pm

re: #699 Meremortal

Hey, eagle bro!

Right on.l Gotta run, later.

Brothers in Arms !

709 offendi  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:47:31pm

re: #668 saylorfam

I think the thing that kind of disgusts me about this election will be that it will do more to create a racial divide in this country than anything in recent history, especially if Obama does not win.

There are people who are going to be voting for and voting against Obama simply because of his race. At this stage of human development it should be about competency and transcend race. Shows what little progress we have made if race remains an unspoken criteria for something which should be colorblind.

710 nyc redneck  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:47:31pm

re: #645 Occasional Reader

Sweet jebus, folks.... BHO didn't win the damn election yet, now did he? What's with the defeatism in this thread? Sheesh.

i think people are just stunned that "inadequate black guy" got this far.

711 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:47:51pm
re: #650 Fat Jolly Penguin

re: #644 buzzsawmonkey

Of course it doesn't matter much. The Progressive Left only controls

1) The majority of mainstream media (newspapers, radio, TV news)
2) The film industry
3) The universities (and the public schools)
4) More than half the Congress
5) The large urban political machines
6) The small political machines of college towns and many small cities
7) The vote fraud groups such as ACORN
8) The publishing industry
9) The welfare-dependent urban and rural poor


and in addition, commands the loyalties of probably 2/3 of recent university graduates.

Why on earth should anyone worry about that?


And since when did any of those groups vote recently in large numbers for someone who was not a democrat? Which of those groups in large number recently did not trash republicans?

Nothing has changed, except the candidates.

712 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:48:25pm

re: #706 Catttt

Wait - there are reasons to get behind McCain.

There is no doubt that he is far better on the important stuff - our security and taxes, in particular.


AND he's not Obama!

713 ethanxxx  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:48:32pm

re: #677 Occasional Reader

Well, let's ditch it. It's counterproductive. It can easily be attacked as "bigotry", whatever the intention was. "Look, they're trying to say that McCain has a 'real American name', meaning white people are the only 'real Americans'."

And that is exactly the F**KING point! Anything you say about this Marxist Prick that isn't positive, is considered racist or bigoted because he's BLACK. You can't even mention his middle name! Even my 11 year old finds that a little strange.

714 Whiterasta  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:48:37pm

re: #672 Yankee Division Son

No. Jamaica, actually. (Really!) Working abroad for now...

715 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:48:46pm

re: #692 Meremortal

We tempered Bill with a Republican Congress and got a lot of good things done among the bad things that Clinton wrought. That's the great thing about this country, it's stronger than its' enemies, and stronger than poor candidates that get elected.

We will be OK. Obama loses, and we will have gridlock government. Not such a bad thing.

But don't forget. He got elected because of large numbers of unobservant people voting for the head of the Lollipop Guild. (and Bush Sr.'s rejection of the principles promoted by Pres. Reagan.)

716 The Shadow Do  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:48:46pm

re: #657 Nevergiveup

This Obama - the harbinger of change, uplifting cleanser of the political scene, media darling, and inspiration to America's youth is not one whit different than the man from Plains and the Peanut Brigade he rode in on

I think your wrong on that. Obama is much more dangerous. But other than that, I'm with ya!

As for dangerous, the jury is still out given the Iran situation. Thank you President Carter. Thank you for the threat of nuclear terrorism. Barack has his work cut out for him, but I'm sure he is capable of meeting the challenge. Hope!

717 LeftJustAintRight  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:49:40pm

re: #15 redstateredneck

It's on.
C'mon McCain, open up a can of whoop-ass on him.

Don't hold your breath

718 Cowardkerry  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:49:56pm

He just clinched second best, because he won't win. Let the riots begin.

719 Whiterasta  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:50:36pm

re: #681 Mars Needs Neocons

Notice, I said most of the time.......

720 LeftJustAintRight  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:50:42pm

America as we know it will never be the same

721 EC Marm  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:50:47pm

re: #713 ethanxxx
You need to chill. You already had one over the top offensive post deleted in this thread.

722 Intrepid  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:50:52pm

re: #649 Tangonine

Let's look at that:

1980 - Reagan v Carter
1984 - Reagan v Mondale
1988 - Bush I v Dukakis
1992 - Clinton v Bush
1996 - Clinton v Dole
2000 - Bush II v Gore
2004 - Bush II v Kerry

Looks like it went very well* for the US as a whole, considering the alternatives.

* Clinton years excepted

723 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:51:05pm

re: #700 littleO

My advice to the Dimm's:
Don't pressure BHO to take Hill and Bill on the ticket.
Dump H. Dean from the DNC chair.
Somehow leverage out both of your Majority Leaders, (pelosy and Reid).
Vote for McCain.

Darn good advice. Think they'll listen?

724 mean Gene  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:51:51pm

Today, for the first time, I heard a Clinton operative (don't remember the name) say what I thought they'd say about Bill weeks ago: that perhaps he had been brain damaged during his heart surgery.

(Well, I had thought some form or dementia would be to blame for his mouth, I hadn't thought of a clot to the brain during his bypass.)

If only Hillary had run with that a few weeks ago.

She could have picked up more of the Florence Nightingale (sp?) type votes as well as more of the ''feel sorry for me," votes.

725 ted  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:52:49pm

IMHO, BHO doesn't stand a rats ass chance...BUT, since perception is everything, you're going to see the MSM spin to give the public the idea its close.

726 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:53:20pm

re: #675 buzzsawmonkey

Moby-mobbed?

They're already embedded here...

727 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:53:36pm

re: #716 The Shadow Do

As for dangerous, the jury is still out given the Iran situation. Thank you President Carter. Thank you for the threat of nuclear terrorism. Barack has his work cut out for him, but I'm sure he is capable of meeting the challenge. Hope!

Well we can sit down over a beer and figure out which is/was more dangerous, but I think we both agree that it is now time to work for the election of President McCain.

728 Former Belgian  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:53:37pm

re: #677 Occasional Reader

Well, let's ditch it. It's counterproductive. It can easily be attacked as "bigotry", whatever the intention was. "Look, they're trying to say that McCain has a 'real American name', meaning white people are the only 'real Americans'."

Don't know. What are common "black" last names, once you subtract the "Black Muslim" and "back to Africa" names? Anglo names like Jones, Johnson, Washington, King, Powell, Rice, ...

But I agree that there are a million better reasons to go after snObama than his last name. It is blatantly clear to anybody with a brain that snObama is in, but not of, America --- he's like a condescending anthropologist living in a society that he doesn't really belong to and, in his heart of hearts, looks down on. But that would be equally true if his name were Josiah Bartlett rather than Barack Hussein Obama.

729 WrathofG-d  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:54:00pm

My only fear about Obama v. McCain is not the issue, but the T.V. Generational affect.

Mr. Flash orating against Mr. Snooze alone could tank McCain.

730 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:54:05pm

So, how exactly did they come up with this claim that he's clinched?

Was it strictly on the basis of delegates, or did they count pledged supers? Because if they count the pledged supers, they could be in for a rude awakening since they can change their mind any time up to the moment of voting at the convention in Denver.

The Democrats would love nothing more for everyone to claim Obama has made the magic number because they can force Hillary's hand in a way that Obama couldn't do directly without provoking a fight.

Neither candidate can get the majority number without supers, and while Obama has the plurality, Hillary can make a case that she is more electable than Obama based on which states she won and the demographics.

731 Tangonine  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:54:27pm

re: #691 MellyMel

In my lifetime, that's not very far back at all. So, no, I don't hold to the notion that most American's are idiots. Are there many I vehemently disagree with -- yes -- but the majority WILL do the right thing for their country in the end.

We like to talk trash and hash out our opinions, but most of us do what we must to ensure the continuation of this great nation. Including voting for McCain.

/He wasn't my first, second or third choice by the way. But I will pull the lever for him in a hearbeat to stop NObama and/or Hilldebeast.

ok. So maybe "Most Americans" don't vote, becuase in the last 16 years I've had:

Jimmy Carter (what... the... f**k?)
Ronald Reagan (thank god)
George Bush Jr (are you really a conservative? read my lips? wtf)
Bill Clinton (goodbye every benefit I had that Reagan gave me as a 2 striper with a wife and kid)
Al Gore gd near won
John F'ing Kerrey near won

so out of the last 32 years of my life, and my nation's, only 8 were "conservative"

So, yeah. in the last 32 years, most americans are lazy or uniformed, or both or deliberately being solicalist scumbag idiots.

732 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:54:32pm

re: #709 offendi

I think the thing that kind of disgusts me about this election will be that it will do more to create a racial divide in this country than anything in recent history, especially if Obama does not win.

There are people who are going to be voting for and voting against Obama simply because of his race. At this stage of human development it should be about competency and transcend race. Shows what little progress we have made if race remains an unspoken criteria for something which should be colorblind.

I believe more will vote for Obama because of his race, then against him for his race. We've come a long way baby.™

/Benson & Hedges plug.

733 yochanan  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:54:45pm

re: #696 imtoast

Wow, I had no idea it was like that here. I know that there has been antisemitism, but not to that degree. Geez!

and if you are shomer shabot you still have these kinds of problems. I know because I lost a job over this in the 1970's

734 LeftJustAintRight  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:56:02pm

Obama Hussein should avoid city parks and planes till she concedes

735 nyc redneck  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:56:36pm

re: #724 mean Gene

i don't think he had a clot.
i think we are just seeing the real bill react to being a 'has been.'
he's like a vicious old woman in the film business and the roles dried up.

736 Opinionated  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:56:40pm

Chris Matthews just mumbled under his breath that McCain, unlike Obama, doesn't know what it is the sweat.

I guess the Vietnamese torturers of McCain were not brutal enough for this pig Matthews.

737 EC Marm  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:57:09pm

re: #729 WrathofG-d

My only fear about Obama v. McCain is not the issue, but the T.V. Generational affect.

Mr. Flash orating against Mr. Snooze alone could tank McCain.


Once Obama is without teleprompter he loses it. He stutters and stalls, grasping for words. In a head to head debate against McCain, I'm sure McCain will win on the issues, but Obama will win on metrosexuality appeal. Yuch.

738 maximoso  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:57:22pm

re: #648 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Fidel Castro Endorses Obama

Translation - Barack Obama will be a weak as President - I can walk all over and steamroll.

739 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:57:35pm

re: #676 Former Belgian

Here is the MySpace page of one of the two "wastes of oxygen" who did this:

[Link: profile.myspace.com...]

Rope. Tree. Two murdering b*stards. Some assembly required.

Except during the worst part of the Iraqi intervention, mortality rates for U.S. servicemen stateside has been higher than in Iraq.

But murders, fatal car accidents and other mishaps aren't front page fodder the moonbeam media.

And I agree on that oxygen robber. We need to save more trees.

740 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:57:39pm
741 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:57:58pm

re: #736 Opinionated

Chris Matthews just mumbled under his breath that McCain, unlike Obama, doesn't know what it is the sweat.

I guess the Vietnamese torturers of McCain were not brutal enough for this pig Matthews.

That pig really said that?

742 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:58:43pm

re: #736 Opinionated

Chris Matthews just mumbled under his breath that McCain, unlike Obama, doesn't know what it is [to?] sweat.

You have got to be kidding me. What a moron.

743 Tangonine  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:58:52pm

re: #736 Opinionated

Chris Matthews just mumbled under his breath that McCain, unlike Obama, doesn't know what it is the sweat.

actually... I don't know "what it is the sweat" either.

744 nyc redneck  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:59:14pm

i do feel a little sick to my stomach. tho i know b.o. is easier to beat.
it's just whole heartedly disappointing that so many foolish people have fallen for this idiot.

745 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:59:58pm

re: #736 Opinionated

Chris Matthews just mumbled under his breath that McCain, unlike Obama, doesn't know what it is the sweat.

I guess the Vietnamese torturers of McCain were not brutal enough for this pig Matthews.

Actually, that would make a great TV campaign add!

746 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 4:59:59pm

re: #638 Bob in Breckenridge

It ain't over until the pantsuit cackles!

Infinitely better than my #38.

747 Opinionated  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:00:06pm

re: #741 Nevergiveup

That pig really said that?

Yup.

After he had a great chuckle when a guest said that McCain married into a beer fortune while Obama struggled to pay his student loans.

748 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:00:19pm

re: #694 unrealizedviewpoint

You may want to reread my #575

I perceived your #575 as the true supermajority, both houses with 60%, AND the presidency. My error.

749 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:00:29pm

re: #743 Tangonine

He meant to type "to" sweat. If you're just in here to be a contrarian, how about a nice, hot cup of "Fuck Off!"?

750 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:00:45pm
751 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:00:47pm

re: #744 nyc redneck

i do feel a little sick to my stomach. tho i know b.o. is easier to beat.
it's just whole heartedly disappointing that so many foolish people have fallen for this idiot.

Just being the nominee the man does have a chance at being Potus. Ya never know in both politics or poker. Anyone can win.

752 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:01:11pm

re: #736 Opinionated

Chris Matthews just mumbled under his breath that McCain, unlike Obama, doesn't know what it is the sweat.

I guess the Vietnamese torturers of McCain were not brutal enough for this pig Matthews.


Matthews is a prick..A pimple on the ass of society. He's prolly one of those guys that got picked on as a kid because he was gross or ugly. He's a bitter, bile filled pustule who will fade into oblivion.

I hate him. He makes me ill. If he thinks this country sucks so much (and he must if he gets a woody over Obama) then he nees to haul his ass overseas and live in another country. Then lets see how quickly he come to appreciate this one.

753 Former Belgian  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:01:34pm

re: #350 goddessoftheclassroom

That fact flabbergasts me: that neighborhoods were restricted.

Winnetka, not far away in Chicagoland, was one of the last "restricted" places in the USA. Mentioned in passing here:

[Link: www.iht.com...]

754 mean Gene  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:01:41pm

re: #735 nyc redneck

i don't think he had a clot.
i think we are just seeing the real bill react to being a 'has been.'
he's like a vicious old woman in the film business and the roles dried up.

EW!
Sunset Blvd.
Ready for his close up?
Maybe you're right.
He sure didn't do his old lady even one favor on the road.

755 WrathofG-d  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:01:42pm

re: #737 EC Marm

When was the last time we had an actual debate? They all seem like shared stages to spew soundbites to me.

756 Alouette  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:01:47pm

re: #747 Opinionated

Yup.

After he had a great chuckle when a guest said that McCain married into a beer fortune while Obama struggled to pay his student loans.

Michelle could only afford the shrivelledy up fruit.

757 Shaky Louie  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:01:49pm

re: #736 Opinionated
Matthews is an idiot,

758 Q  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:01:50pm

re: #691 MellyMel

In my lifetime, that's not very far back at all. So, no, I don't hold to the notion that most American's are idiots. Are there many I vehemently disagree with -- yes -- but the majority WILL do the right thing for their country in the end.

We like to talk trash and hash out our opinions, but most of us do what we must to ensure the continuation of this great nation. Including voting for McCain.

/He wasn't my first, second or third choice by the way. But I will pull the lever for him in a hearbeat to stop NObama and/or Hilldebeast.

A vote for Juan McCain is a vote for the national continuation of America? Please.

759 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:01:53pm
760 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:02:00pm

re: #695 GGMac

What really floors me about this is that because of his terrorist associations (Ayers...), vehemently anti-American mentor/pastor (Wright), and the public remarks of his wife, his husseinness would be denied even the most basic Federal security clearance - if he were applying for a routine government job.

Job applicants - vetted

Government appointments - vetted

Elective office - anything goes, walk right in, we don't give a rat's ass who you have/do spend your time with.


Sheesh!

If he's elected, he'll get the football. But I bet he won't be able to take it into a private space to "play with it".

Just my random thoughts...

761 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:02:07pm

re: #747 Opinionated

Yup.

After he had a great chuckle when a guest said that McCain married into a beer fortune while Obama struggled to pay his student loans.

How much did McCain have to pay for room and board at Hanoi Univ.?

762 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:02:38pm

re: #744 nyc redneck

i do feel a little sick to my stomach. tho i know b.o. is easier to beat.
it's just whole heartedly disappointing that so many foolish people have fallen for this idiot.

Then let them fail with the idiot. When they have their chance to defend their choice - they'll have nothing to say and we can ridicule them for the rest of time.

763 nyc redneck  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:02:48pm

re: #751 unrealizedviewpoint

Just being the nominee the man does have a chance at being Potus. Ya never know in both politics or poker. Anyone can win.

b.o. can only win thru cheating. (voter fraud is a real issue)

764 Whiterasta  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:03:11pm

re: #755 WrathofG-d

I'm trying, I'm trying.....

765 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:03:35pm
766 maximoso  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:03:57pm

re: #709 offendi

I think the thing that kind of disgusts me about this election will be that it will do more to create a racial divide in this country than anything in recent history, especially if Obama does not win.

There are people who are going to be voting for and voting against Obama simply because of his race. .

I think the number of people voting against Obama b/c of the color of his skin is pretty low - and the black population overwhelmingly goes to Democrats anyway. Barack may have a higher turnout of Black voters this year b/c they have one of their own in office would be a cool thing for them.

I think Race will be a nasty part of this race regardless of who wins the electoin. Howard Dean set that in motion a few weeks ago when he went on Fox News and called Republicans the party of RAcism. Even while the Clintons were actively playing the race card in the Democratic primariy.

Can't wait for the CNN / MSNBC reports coming out telling us all how racist we are if we don't vote for the Messiah. Trinity Church will be happy though. Their gospel will be confirmed.

767 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:04:10pm

re: #759 buzzsawmonkey

Must we roll with sick stomachs, though?

/

768 Tangonine  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:05:01pm

re: #757 Shaky Louie

Matthews is an idiot,

Yes. That sort of goes without saying. He and Keith Olberman and John Stewart. The 3 stooges.

769 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:05:02pm
770 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:05:03pm

re: #760 really grumpy big dog Johnson

If he's elected, he'll get the football. But I bet he won't be able to take it into a private space to "play with it".

Just my random thoughts...

Do not forget the book "Unlimited Access" Neither Clinton would have been able to pass a background check, but that didn't stop them from having full access to everything.

771 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:05:13pm

re: #750 buzzsawmonkey

The country is fairly evenly split--so much so that a few hundred thousand votes in a few states is what tips a presidential election either way.

With the media all giddy over the Obamatron, and well prepared to pour it on to sway those few hundred thousand, it's going to be a close run.

The certifiable and undeniable negatives are not even close. Americans trust experience and long-term track record, patriotism - especially achieved in service to the country, and consistency of stance, even if it's not the stance you best like. And they like to believe that their president is honest most of all.

Obama has "NOTA".

(none of the above)

772 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:05:25pm

re: #769 buzzsawmonkey

OK, I'm good with that.

BBIAW

773 Killian Bundy  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:05:32pm

How many decades will it take to un[expletive deleted] the Supreme Court after Obama and a filibuster proof Bonkey Senate get done with it?

/and what incredible amount of damage will a radical Court wreak on this country in the meantime?

774 kynna  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:05:52pm

OT

I am so excited and proud of myself! A young environmentalist guy just came to my door with a petition for CA taxpayers to put a billion $$ (!) into wind/solar power and I -- very nicely -- launched into a speech about nuclear power and it evolved into him making a comment about the US and I turned that around too. He left my house thinking I had listened to him and promising me that he would research nuclear power and NOT just from the environmentalist group angle.

I also made him think about how the US is the babysitter of the world and when we do badly everyone does and vice versa. It was the most pleasant conversation and, if he doesn't talk to his know-nothing friends first, he may actually do the research he promised. He seemed sincere and I came at it from an environmentalist angle.

I just had to tell my fellow lizards about my experience. I'm not usually like that but something took over my brain and mouth and I just couldn't give him a good-bye and good-luck.

:)

775 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:05:52pm

re: #758 Q

A vote for Juan McCain is a vote for the national continuation of America? Please.

So may we assume that you're preparing to flee the country? I mean, judging by your rhetoric. Right?

776 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:06:25pm

re: #773 Killian Bundy

How many decades will it take to un[expletive deleted] the Supreme Court after Obama and a filibuster proof Bonkey Senate get done with it?

/and what incredible amount of damage will a radical Court wreak on this country in the meantime?

I estimate about 40 years.

777 restitutor orbis  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:06:25pm

Hannity and the rest of the water carriers are patting themselves on the back in triumph now that eeeeeevil Hillary is gone. Stupid bastards. I an odd, twisted way, I respected her determination to stay in(although i still think she is not out of it yet) And even more strangely, I saw her as this country's first line of defense against a very, very, dangerous man. Now it's up to McCain, and I don't think he has 1/4 the stones as Hillary. I'll tell you what though, the rumored Michelle O rant had better see the light of day, and quick!

778 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:06:36pm

re: #759 buzzsawmonkey

We must roll on, roll on!

We on the right should be a sort of... right guard, if you will.

779 VegasRick  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:06:43pm

re: #773 Killian Bundy

How many decades will it take to un[expletive deleted] the Supreme Court after Obama and a filibuster proof Bonkey Senate get done with it?

/and what incredible amount of damage will a radical Court wreak on this country in the meantime?

bingo!

780 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:07:09pm
781 razorbacker  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:07:30pm

re: #739 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Except during the worst part of the Iraqi intervention, mortality rates for U.S. servicemen stateside has been higher than in Iraq.

Big Dog, check the NYC rates last month vs. Iraq.

NYC was twice as high.

It's a quagmire, I tell you, a quagmire.

782 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:07:40pm

re: #777 restitutor orbis

Hannity and the rest of the water carriers are patting themselves on the back in triumph now that eeeeeevil Hillary is gone. Stupid bastards. I an odd, twisted way, I respected her determination to stay in(although i still think she is not out of it yet) And even more strangely, I saw her as this country's first line of defense against a very, very, dangerous man. Now it's up to McCain, and I don't think he has 1/4 the stones as Hillary. I'll tell you what though, the rumored Michelle O rant had better see the light of day, and quick!

I'd rather see McCain vs a beatable Obama. Now if she does accept veep that could be a problem.

783 offendi  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:08:03pm

re: #732 unrealizedviewpoint

I believe more will vote for Obama because of his race, then against him for his race. We've come a long way baby.™

/Benson & Hedges plug.

Perhaps. I have heard quite tortured explanations of the acceptability of the Obama-Wright relationship from people of color who are voting for Obama. On the other hand I have heard others voting for McCain qualify it and say they would vote for a " black man like Colin Powell" raising the question why "black" has to be factored into it at all. Race is the 800 pound gorilla in the political room. The real issue is whether the guy s##@* or is the best available choice to do the job, without noting their race.

784 Shaky Louie  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:08:04pm

re: #768 Tangonine
Captain Obvious, reporting!

785 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:08:13pm

re: #763 nyc redneck

b.o. can only win thru cheating. (voter fraud is a real issue)

Actually Obama can win without cheating. I know a sure way he could win by a landslide. But, I'm keeping my mouth tightly closed till mid October when it's too late for him to act.

786 nyc redneck  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:08:40pm

re: #754 mean Gene

EW!
Sunset Blvd.
Ready for his close up?
Maybe you're right.
He sure didn't do his old lady even one favor on the road.

no he didn't. he doesn't give a sh*t abt her really. getting positive attention is his main passion.
he's come undone.
(because he has no grounding in the important things in life).
he's pathetic.

787 Q  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:09:15pm

re: #728 Former Belgian

Don't know. What are common "black" last names, once you subtract the "Black Muslim" and "back to Africa" names? Anglo names like Jones, Johnson, Washington, King, Powell, Rice, ...

But I agree that there are a million better reasons to go after snObama than his last name. It is blatantly clear to anybody with a brain that snObama is in, but not of, America --- he's like a condescending anthropologist living in a society that he doesn't really belong to and, in his heart of hearts, looks down on. But that would be equally true if his name were Josiah Bartlett rather than Barack Hussein Obama.

Colin Powell is a part of the Obama-team, incidentally. Apparently, he didn't get that "color-blind" memo.

788 GGMac  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:10:28pm

re: #765 buzzsawmonkey

Vote fraud is the superdelegate of the general election.

Excellently put.

(You do have a gift!)

789 nyc redneck  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:11:02pm

re: #765 buzzsawmonkey

Vote fraud is the superdelegate of the general election.

dead people. dogs, children, cats all voting. (sometimes twice)

790 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:11:10pm
791 jcm  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:11:40pm

re: #765 buzzsawmonkey

Vote fraud is the superdelegate of the general election.

And the prime purveyor of fraud ACORN, is in N☭bama's pocket.

792 Former Belgian  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:11:43pm

re: #740 buzzsawmonkey

Until the Supreme Court struck down restrictive covenants in the early '60s, the houses in many areas had covenants running with the land that specified a house could not be sold to Jews or blacks.

The suburb of Chicago where I grew up had such covenants, but after WWII they were not enforced against Jews. My parents could not have bought there before the war.

The synagogue we attended was built over the line in the next township, because nobody would sell them the land. About 14 years later, a Reform congregation was able to purchase land on our side of the line, so things did change over time.

BTW, the reason that there were so many Jews in the Manhattan Project was that private industry would not hire them; the government jobs were the only ones they could get. My father's roommate in college had an interview set up for him with a private company by one of his professors; the interviewer was so openly patronizing of the "Jewboy" that he told him to stick it. The professor was furious because he had gone out on a limb with the company merely by having recommended a Jew for the job.

Richard Feynman (yes, the future Nobel laureate) couldn't get into Columbia because of the Jewish quota. For one application (Princeton, I think), he actually got a letter of recommendation from none other than John C. Slater, who made sure to mention that "while he was Jewish he didn't behave like typical Jews". (Check James Gleick's biography of Feynman, "Genius".)

793 Whiterasta  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:12:04pm

re: #774 kynna

LOL!

I had a young lady last year come knocking on my door, begging money for Green-Pi**.

I told her that Green-P*ss was a racist organization and referred her to a couple of websites.

She walked away shaking her pretty head. I'm sure I did not change her mind, but perhaps I planted a seed of commonsense in her mind....

794 The Shadow Do  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:12:37pm

re: #729 WrathofG-d

My only fear about Obama v. McCain is not the issue, but the T.V. Generational affect.

Mr. Flash orating against Mr. Snooze alone could tank McCain.

You mean Mr. uh, Flash, uh Obama the uh, uh orator? You know , the one who shows up without the uh, uh, uh monitor when uh, uh extemporaneus?

795 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:12:41pm
796 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:12:43pm

Wel, I'm off to waste my brain cells on the useless drivel on TV. I've had a bottle of a nice Pinot Grigio as both the kiddos are away (one for a month, one for a week) and am celebrating my temporary singleness. I love the girls but it's hard being a single mom sometimes. Hell, I might even start one of those bodice rippers that I haven't read in a decade but my best friend keeps sending me. Austen seems too heavy at the moment as does Ben Franklin's bio.

797 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:12:52pm

re: #777 restitutor orbis

"Now it's up to McCain, and I don't think he has 1/4 the stones as Hillary."
I hope that is just rhetoric on your part, because I am getting real sick and tired of anyone questioning either the courage or patriotism of an authentic American Hero. Whatever McCain's short comings are, not having "Stones" isn't one of them!

798 nyc redneck  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:12:52pm

re: #785 unrealizedviewpoint

Actually Obama can win without cheating. I know a sure way he could win by a landslide. But, I'm keeping my mouth tightly closed till mid October when it's too late for him to act.

uh oh,
i didn't hear a thing. shhhhhhhh.

799 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:12:52pm

re: #777 restitutor orbis

Hannity and the rest of the water carriers are patting themselves on the back in triumph now that eeeeeevil Hillary is gone. Stupid bastards. I an odd, twisted way, I respected her determination to stay in(although i still think she is not out of it yet) And even more strangely, I saw her as this country's first line of defense against a very, very, dangerous man. Now it's up to McCain, and I don't think he has 1/4 the stones as Hillary. I'll tell you what though, the rumored Michelle O rant had better see the light of day, and quick!

Maybe you don't recall last summer when McCain was carrying his own bags through the airports in what appeared to be a campaign in peril and deep in debt. Here is the true comeback kid. He's the winner of his party's nomination. Hillary ain't. Whose the fighter?

800 MrC_5150  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:13:19pm

re: #19 Peacekeeper

Once, twice, three times a lady.

Unce, tice fee tines, a mady.

801 maximoso  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:13:46pm

re: #741 Nevergiveup
Chris Matthews said McCain doesn't know what it's like to Sweat - like Obama does

That pig really said that?

Yeah - all those long days on Hawaii Beach - really do work up a sweat. Lucky Barack had those air conditioners in Harvard to keep him cool.

802 debutaunt  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:13:56pm

re: #388 Occasional Reader

I THINK WE SHOULD ALL PANIC, AND RUN AROUND WITH NO PANTS ON.

Who's with me?

I've made a list of all you showoffy perverts!

803 rorschach  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:14:21pm

Obama is a marxist.

Just say "nobama".

804 Former Belgian  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:14:37pm

re: #763 nyc redneck

b.o. can only win thru cheating. (voter fraud is a real issue)

Voter fraud, and lawyering or dirt-digging your opponent out of the race. See, e.g., :

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

805 HDrepub  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:15:34pm

re: #724 mean Gene

Today, for the first time, I heard a Clinton operative (don't remember the name) say what I thought they'd say about Bill weeks ago: that perhaps he had been brain damaged during his heart surgery.

I've had heart surgery, the same as Bill (the only thing I have in common with the Billy Jeff) and the missus says I'm not quite as sharp mentally as before. I've read pros and cons both ways, some say yes it does and some say no, but from my own experience it does have some effect. I think it does something to your brain anytime you are anesthetized for a long period. Makes a convenient excuse for being a doofus too. :)

806 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:15:38pm

re: #792 Former Belgian

Richard Feynman (yes, the future Nobel laureate) couldn't get into Columbia because of the Jewish quota.

Of course, with "affirmative action" we've seen that phenomenon return. The California state university system had effective "ceilings" on Asian and Jewish students, before the voters approved Prop [?] which forbade quotas.

807 Former Belgian  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:16:01pm

re: #787 Q

Colin Powell is a part of the Obama-team, incidentally. Apparently, he didn't get that "color-blind" memo.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

808 littleO  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:16:34pm

Dead people voting!


We're all doomed!

Judgeing by the last two elections, and their closeness, the average demo. will not vote for McCain. No matter what. I predict that so much muck will be raked up by the mighty media that the half-way honest Repups will fall badly.

Better find good tax attorney's and accountants to protect yourself.
then tell me what to do. Because I can't afford to hire the Fr'cken bast'rds.

809 godfrey  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:16:51pm

European lefties and EUnuchs are positively giddy about Obama, and they're the ones the American lefties look up to with visceral envy.

Media love fest? You haven't seen anything yet. Wait till the Hollywood types start throwing their money around and making speeches.

The mediagasm will be nonstop until November.

810 Q  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:16:58pm

re: #775 Occasional Reader

So may we assume that you're preparing to flee the country? I mean, judging by your rhetoric. Right?

Because I prefer facing reality to talking myself into supporting the unsupportable?

811 JeremyR  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:17:23pm

re: #723 unrealizedviewpoint

Darn good advice. Think they'll listen?

LETS HOPE NOT!
The last thing we need is the dhimmis figuring out what is wrong with their message. up until now they have blamed the messenger.

812 EC Marm  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:18:28pm

re: #755 WrathofG-d

When was the last time we had an actual debate? They all seem like shared stages to spew soundbites to me.


Yes, that danger exists. Especially if CNN or some pro-Obama network is given the event. A bunch of softballs tossed at Obama, that he can recite from memory, without any tough followup questions would be the result. That's why I expect a major battle over the format of the debates. It would be to Obama's benefit to be 'unable to agree on the format' and not have them.

813 nyc redneck  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:18:32pm

re: #799 unrealizedviewpoint

Maybe you don't recall last summer when McCain was carrying his own bags through the airports in what appeared to be a campaign in peril and deep in debt. Here is the true comeback kid. He's the winner of his party's nomination. Hillary ain't. Whose the fighter?

i had forgotten abt. that. thanks for mentioning it. you are right, he has a lot of resilience and fortitude. look what he survived in that prisoner of war camp.
he's no quitter.

814 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:18:37pm

re: #793 Whiterasta

Okay, my story.

A couple years ago a dude came by looking for donations for an organic produce food shelf. I offered to take his literature but explained to him that, while delicious, no one really needs organic food and the amount of waste they'd go through with spoiling vegetables would make it a prohibitively expensive charitable endeavore and I'd rather spend my money more efficiently in order to help more people.

The look on his face told me he hadn't considered the ramifications of offering organic produce at a food shelf.

Never heard from the organization again.

815 Catttt  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:18:37pm

re: #709 offendi

I think the thing that kind of disgusts me about this election will be that it will do more to create a racial divide in this country than anything in recent history, especially if Obama does not win.

There are people who are going to be voting for and voting against Obama simply because of his race. At this stage of human development it should be about competency and transcend race. Shows what little progress we have made if race remains an unspoken criteria for something which should be colorblind.

That goes both ways. There are tons of people who will vote for Senator Obama because of race.

816 Cowardkerry  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:18:37pm

Chris Matthews is an irrelevant fat ass. McCain did some sweating piloting a-4 Skyhawks, sam missiles, and a fire on the USS Forrestal, not to mention his time in the *ook hilton.

Meanwhile Osama was snorting lines, reading poetry, and soaking up hate at the Black Panther memorial church. Puh leeeeze.

817 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:18:43pm

re: #810 Q

Because I prefer facing reality to talking myself into supporting the unsupportable?

You stole that from the Emperor.

818 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:19:16pm

re: #744 nyc redneck

i do feel a little sick to my stomach. tho i know b.o. is easier to beat.
it's just whole heartedly disappointing that so many foolish people have fallen for this idiot.

You've heard the expression "puppy love"?

819 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:19:42pm

e

820 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:19:50pm

re: #810 Q

Because I prefer facing reality to talking myself into supporting the unsupportable?

Because you think all available choices for President are "enemies" of the country. So, where are you planning to go?

821 mikeinmd  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:20:02pm

McCain didn't leave the Hanoi Hilton, or get special treatment, until all of his guys were on the bus home.
Obama threw his family and friends underneath it on the way by.

822 nyc redneck  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:20:20pm

re: #804 Former Belgian

Voter fraud, and lawyering or dirt-digging your opponent out of the race. See, e.g., :

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

they know all abt, it in chicago.

823 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:20:42pm

re: #816 Cowardkerry

The racial slur (even with the asterix) really wasn't necessary.

824 restitutor orbis  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:21:05pm

re: #797 Nevergiveup


Let me clarify.....He once had tremendous guts, but he lost them along the way

825 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:21:28pm

re: #775 Occasional Reader

So may we assume that you're preparing to flee the country? I mean, judging by your rhetoric. Right?

As a matter of fact I will be out of the country and possibly for a long period of time that could include the upcoming presidential vote.

I'll still mail in my vote, however.


Well, it's been. Later all.

826 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:21:46pm

What about Amadmanonjihad, the guy B. Hussein Obamahdi will meet without preconditions?
From this article:
No Western head of state is talking to him at the UN conference.

Following the remarks, Ahmadenijad was shunned by Western leaders at the summit, including Italian Premier Silvio Berlusconi and Foreign Minister Franco Frattini, who made it clear that they will not meet with him. The Italian television network RAI reported that the government was embarrassed by the Iranian leader's remarks, and that his name was removed from the summit's closing gala event guest list. Pope Benedict XVI also turned away a request for a private audience with the Iranian president. Spokesmen for the Vatican quickly denied, however, that the pope was snubbing Ahmadinejad, claiming that the religious leader was declining all similar requests from summit delegates.

And Livni is realizing that Israel might have to go it alone:

In the meantime, Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni continued to warn Iran with the threat of military action in response to Iran's continued development of a nuclear weapons program. "Iran needs to understand that the threat of military action exists and has not been taken off the table," Livni told Knesset ministers during a meeting of the Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee. "As long as that's made clear, the need to use [military force] will be reduced."


Although I don't like the last statement here.

827 jetpilot1101  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:22:29pm

New thread.

828 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:22:33pm

re: #824 restitutor orbis

Let me clarify.....He once had tremendous guts, but he lost them along the way

And you know this how?

829 Intrepid  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:22:49pm

The oldest Supreme Court Justices are John Paul Stevens (88) and Ruth Bader Ginsberg (75). They're also two of the most liberal on the court.

The others:
Antonin Scalia - 72
Anthony Kennedy - 71
Steven Breyer - 69
David Souter - 68
Clarence Thomas - 60
Sam Alito - 58
CJ John Roberts - 53

I don't see Scalia retiring any time within the next four years, nor Kennedy, the defacto swing vote.

830 JeremyR  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:22:50pm

BHussein clinched it, and we now have what we wanted. The dhimmies are fighting among themselves, they have a shallow, spineless candidate.
I'm sure that once he loses, they will scream racism, but the simple fact is we can all ignore his skin color. There are a hundred reasons to not vote for BHussein.

831 Intrepid  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:24:00pm

re: #789 nyc redneck

dead people. dogs, children, cats all voting. (sometimes twice)

Gotta watch that cat block, though. They're wildly unpredictable.

;-)

832 wolfie  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:24:08pm

re: #823 Occasional Reader

The racial slur (even with the asterix) really wasn't necessary.

I didn't get that.
Oh wait. I think I do now.
I'm glad you caught it.
Too bad about that asinine word, because the rest of the statement was spot on.

833 maximoso  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:24:10pm

re: #799 unrealizedviewpoint

Maybe you don't recall last summer when McCain was carrying his own bags through the airports in what appeared to be a campaign in peril and deep in debt. Here is the true comeback kid. He's the winner of his party's nomination. Hillary ain't. Whose the fighter?

Yes - but McCain had 2 republicans splitting the Conservative vote. Without Huckabee hangin around as a spoil - I think Romney would have handily been the Republican Nominee.

McCain won b/c of the way the RNC set up the primaries - not b/c of his stones as a campaigner. He showed some flight in Florida with his last minute lie about Romney and picking up the military vote in the upper pan handle - but he didn't win a head to head fight like Clinton is putting up against Obama.

834 yochanan  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:24:40pm

re: #795 buzzsawmonkey

Columbia was the last of the Ivy League schools to remove its quotas on Jewish admission. In the early 1960s.

one of the ways they keep doing it is by requiring diversity in a aplicants zip code. Jews still live in centerlized communities esp the religious.

835 Q  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:24:55pm

re: #807 Former Belgian

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

Que?

836 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:24:56pm

re: #773 Killian Bundy

Well, given the current makeup, it would probably keep the current ideological divide but cement it in place for the next decade or so. Consider that the two justices most likely to leave the Bench are left leaning - Stevens and Ginsberg. If Obama is replacing them, they'll be replaced in kind.

With McCain, you have a chance they'll shift rightward.

837 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:25:13pm

I gotta go but I want to share a thought.

Ya know this Obama nomination is giving me an understanding of BDS, and of those who suffer with this terrible affliction. Though absolutely opposite polar ideology, I believe I can now understand how some of these poor folks feel.

838 godfrey  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:25:21pm

Obama opposed and blocked the Born Alive Infant Protection Act. You all know what that is, right? He was perfectly willing to allow the slaughter of innocent children.

Some things are so despicable, they make language itself a beggar.

839 wolfie  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:25:50pm

re: #835 Q

Porque no te callas?

840 talon_262  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:26:03pm

re: #406 David IV of Georgia

I wouldn't know if Ben & Jerry's is good or not. I never see Ben & Jerry's at any grocery store. Is it under the mountains of Blue Bell?

I was at a grocery store a couple of days ago and noticed they had more shelving dedicated to ice cream and its variants than anything else in the store. Just who eats all that ice cream?

Kroger's Private Selection Fried Ice Cream ice cream is pretty good...

841 Former Belgian  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:26:03pm

re: #806 Occasional Reader

Of course, with "affirmative action" we've seen that phenomenon return. The California state university system had effective "ceilings" on Asian and Jewish students, before the voters approved Prop [?] which forbade quotas.

I saw this in action when I studied in California. Some advocates actually openly stated this as a FEATURE of the system, not a bug.

I was basically a Euro-style socialist in these days. Reverse racism, excuse me, "Affirmative action" and "operation Hispander" were two things I couldn't stomach even then, and made me realize that the American looney left really was looney.

842 joecitizen  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:26:15pm

re: #785 unrealizedviewpoint

Actually Obama can win without cheating. I know a sure way he could win by a landslide. But, I'm keeping my mouth tightly closed till mid October when it's too late for him to act.

tease..heh

843 JustMyView  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:26:27pm

re: #799 unrealizedviewpoint

Maybe you don't recall last summer when McCain was carrying his own bags through the airports in what appeared to be a campaign in peril and deep in debt. Here is the true comeback kid. He's the winner of his party's nomination. Hillary ain't. Whose the fighter?

You make a good point about McCain. And, whatever you think about Obama, he should get credit for being a fighter too. Last summer, Hillary was 20+ points ahead of Obama in the polls. He's beaten the best-known brand in Democratic politics, a woman who had universal name recognition, access to experienced political operatives, and a wide network of fundraisers.

McCain is just about to speak, by the way. To be broadcast on MSNBC at 8:30 PM EDT.

844 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:26:31pm

re: #774 kynna

OT

I am so excited and proud of myself! A young environmentalist guy just came to my door with a petition for CA taxpayers to put a billion $$ (!) into wind/solar power and I -- very nicely -- launched into a speech about nuclear power and it evolved into him making a comment about the US and I turned that around too. He left my house thinking I had listened to him and promising me that he would research nuclear power and NOT just from the environmentalist group angle.

I also made him think about how the US is the babysitter of the world and when we do badly everyone does and vice versa. It was the most pleasant conversation and, if he doesn't talk to his know-nothing friends first, he may actually do the research he promised. He seemed sincere and I came at it from an environmentalist angle.

I just had to tell my fellow lizards about my experience. I'm not usually like that but something took over my brain and mouth and I just couldn't give him a good-bye and good-luck.

:)

He was probably just hoping he could walk away quietly without a bullet in his back. These people are not rational about common sense. Anyone who has it is considered an immediate danger.

845 JeremyR  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:27:46pm

re: #813 nyc redneck

i had forgotten abt. that. thanks for mentioning it. you are right, he has a lot of resilience and fortitude. look what he survived in that prisoner of war camp.
he's no quitter.

Full medical disability, he cannot raise his hands above his head. HE WILL NOT SURRENDER. He may get beaten down, he may get trampled on, but he will not give up the fight.
Remember the scene from "Uncommon Valor"? where they are chopping the trees in the team race? When the one team won, the kid stopped. The chopper from the winning team sprinted over and finished cutting down the tree, then turned and told the kid, "Never stop, never give up, not when its for real."
Thats the sort of man McCain is. there are things about him I do not like, but he is a man of Uncommon Valor.

846 Q  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:27:59pm

re: #835 Q

Que?

Ah, I see. Well, see here and here, for example.

847 Former Belgian  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:28:14pm

re: #822 nyc redneck

they know all abt, it in chicago.

Why do I think "Cook County" really has a silent "r" in it? ;-)

848 mean Gene  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:28:34pm

So, how PO'ed will Obama be now that Hillary stole his thunder today when, right as he clinched, she slipped in the idea that .....yes.....she would consider being VP?
I think she'll try any tack to torpedo his campaign.
She's looking at 2012 already.

849 Q  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:29:24pm

re: #820 Occasional Reader

Because you think all available choices for President are "enemies" of the country. So, where are you planning to go?

To not waste my vote on them.

850 Intrepid  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:30:27pm

re: #836 lawhawk

Well, given the current makeup, it would probably keep the current ideological divide but cement it in place for the next decade or so. Consider that the two justices most likely to leave the Bench are left leaning - Stevens and Ginsberg. If Obama is replacing them, they'll be replaced in kind.

With McCain, you have a chance they'll shift rightward.

Yes! And the next oldest - Scalia at 72 and Kennedy at 71 - don't appear to be ready to retire in the next four years.

Of course, McCain would have to stand on his head just to get a moderate by a heavily D weighted Senate...

851 Q  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:30:57pm

re: #845 JeremyR

Yes, he will not surrender. In his drive to ruthlessly defeat us. Us the people.

852 CowardKerry  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:33:04pm

re: #823 Occasional Reader

Get over it, Even John won't apologize for that word, I don't blame him. I was actually being nice, go plant your PC seed someplace.

853 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:33:05pm

re: #794 The Shadow Do

You mean Mr. uh, Flash, uh Obama the uh, uh orator? You know , the one who shows up without the uh, uh, uh monitor when uh, uh extemporaneus?

That very same one, the one who saw a lot of heroes in the audience recently, those who had given the ultimate sacrifice for our country.

854 Former Belgian  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:33:42pm

re: #846 Q

Ah, I see. Well, see here and here, for example.

(Sigh.) And I remember when some of us were hoping he'd run himself...

855 JeremyR  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:33:48pm

re: #851 Q

Yes, he will not surrender. In his drive to ruthlessly defeat us. Us the people.

Me thinks you misjudge him. Explain if you would.

856 jaydee  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:34:13pm

Here we have the first American African Nominee

News readers keep missing an important factor.......

Here we have the first American Arab African Nominee

Bet the Islamic cult is rejoicing!

857 maximoso  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:34:41pm

re: #836 lawhawk

With McCain, you have a chance they'll shift rightward.

Yes - but let's be completely honest here. It'd be a very slim chance.

He still has to get them through congress to hit the bench. Another thing that concerns me is the huge amount of lower level vacancies that the Democrats left blocking Bush's appointees. Sadly McCain's grand compromise on the Supreme Courts justices led to that.

858 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:38:48pm

At the beginning of McCain's speech, Jindal was on the platform.

Was I prescient?

859 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:39:00pm

re: #852 CowardKerry

Get over it, Even John won't apologize for that word, I don't blame him. I was actually being nice, go plant your PC seed someplace.

Hey, remember Charles Johnson? You know, the guy who owns, operates and maintains this site? Remember him?

I'm pretty sure he's made himself quite clear about racial slurs.

Of course, you could just keep crapping on his rug. That's another option.

860 kynna  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:40:00pm

re: #844 really grumpy big dog Johnson

He was probably just hoping he could walk away quietly without a bullet in his back. These people are not rational about common sense. Anyone who has it is considered an immediate danger.

Actually no, grumpy. I was really careful not to be the stereotype that he might be familiar with. He was a very nice guy actually. He was just so ill informed. And everything I said I linked back to an oil company conspiracy. He'd never heard that one before but it was like a ticket into his brain LOL. When I wound back around to how much more money oil companies make from all the opposition to nuclear power he was all interest. :)

You've gotta use the terms they understand. Give them one of their familiar bad guys and don't try to change their minds completely. I think I may have found the key. Plant the seed rather than insist on a total change.

At the very least I've fueled his interest in the manipulations of the UN. ;D

861 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:42:01pm
862 Q  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:42:33pm

re: #854 Former Belgian

(Sigh.) And I remember when some of us were hoping he'd run himself...

That's what we get for waiting for the Great Black Conservative Hope.

863 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:43:28pm

re: #860 kynna

Actually no, grumpy. I was really careful not to be the stereotype that he might be familiar with. He was a very nice guy actually. He was just so ill informed. And everything I said I linked back to an oil company conspiracy. He'd never heard that one before but it was like a ticket into his brain LOL. When I wound back around to how much more money oil companies make from all the opposition to nuclear power he was all interest. :)

You've gotta use the terms they understand. Give them one of their familiar bad guys and don't try to change their minds completely. I think I may have found the key. Plant the seed rather than insist on a total change.

At the very least I've fueled his interest in the manipulations of the UN. ;D

I sincerely hope you've made a difference. The ones around here are so robotically brainwashed, you'd never have a chance.

864 right_wing2  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:44:27pm

News flash: America becomes a Kakistocracy

865 Q  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:45:50pm

re: #855 JeremyR

Me thinks you misjudge him. Explain if you would.

He is fanatically devoted to the Mexicanization of the US. So much so that he was (and is) willing to lose his presidential chances promoting that cause. Which means that he is a true believer, not just an opportunist. And that makes him dangerous.

866 RememberSekhmet?  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:47:28pm

re: #729 WrathofG-d

My only fear about Obama v. McCain is not the issue, but the T.V. Generational affect.

Mr. Flash orating against Mr. Snooze alone could tank McCain.

Obama's silver tongue tarnishes in the absence of a Teleprompter. I expect the debates will be Jar-Jar Binks versus Yoda.

867 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:50:30pm

re: #865 Q

Please explain what you mean - exactly - by "the Mexicanization of America".

868 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:50:59pm

OK Everyone -

For Argument - OBAMA clinches the 2008 Democratic Party Nomination.

REALITY - In November, 2008 he is likely the African Al Smith.

That is All - And All There Needs to Be.

-S-

869 MellyMel  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:52:42pm

re: #758 Q

A vote for Juan McCain is a vote for the national continuation of America? Please.

Oh Lord. You know exactly what I meant.

Nonetheless, if you want to have an honest conversation I am more than willing. However, anyone (meaning YOU) calling him JUAN McCain is childish and clearly is worried about the black helicopters.

/Maybe you should try some tinfoil -- I hear it works for others in your camp.

870 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:52:56pm

re: #868 Dr. Shalit

Reply to Self -

AND PRAY - Very Hard - that John McCain is NOT the next Herbert Hoover.

-S-

871 Q  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:55:59pm

re: #867 Occasional Reader

Please explain what you mean - exactly - by "the Mexicanization of America".

The open border with Mexico. With the resultant demograhic and sociopolitical shifts on our side.

The most urgent manifestation of the wider phenomenon of "thirdworldization" of America.

872 Q  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 5:58:30pm

re: #869 MellyMel

Oh Lord. You know exactly what I meant.

Nonetheless, if you want to have an honest conversation I am more than willing. However, anyone (meaning YOU) calling him JUAN McCain is childish and clearly is worried about the black helicopters.

/Maybe you should try some tinfoil -- I hear it works for others in your camp.

Actually, I don't know what you mean.

When the actual, concrete country is gone from under your feet, what good is flag-waving going to do you?

873 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 6:01:02pm

re: #871 Q

"Q"

Former Presidente FOX said that there was "No Border" - to wit I REPLY -
Then there is NO Mexico. Actually - were a "R" Senator to propose that the existing MEXICAN Immigration Statute - "En Ingles" be adopted in the US - La Raza - would be soiling their pants - and the Media.

-S-

874 joncelli  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 6:08:54pm

re: #233 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

FBV, are you a Hokie?

875 Tangonine  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 6:12:27pm

Sometimes the night is beautiful
Sometimes the sky was is far away
Sometimes it seemed steer so close
You could touch it but your heart would break
Sometimes the morning came too soon
Sometimes an ache could be so hard
There was so much work left to do
There was so much too left to do

Oh God, you are my God
And I will ever praise you
Oh God, you are my God
And I will ever praise you

And I will seek you in the morning
And I will learn to walk in your ways
And step by step you'll lead me
And I will learn to walk in your ways

- Rich Mullins

I fear only God. No man can make me tremble.

876 Tangonine  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 6:14:17pm

for pete's sake you gotta love blogs that let you edit lol

877 MellyMel  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 6:15:27pm

re: #872 Q

Actually, I don't know what you mean.

When the actual, concrete country is gone from under your feet, what good is flag-waving going to do you?

Nice try. I am sure BHO and/or HRC will secure the borders, so no worries there -- right? So let's bash McCain! Hooray!

/Whatever.

878 profitsbeard  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 6:16:44pm

Thank you Dems for picking the worst candidate in your p.c, paralysis!

879 Q  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 6:19:10pm

re: #877 MellyMel

Nice try. I am sure BHO and/or HRC will secure the borders, so no worries there -- right? So let's bash McCain! Hooray!

/Whatever.

Strawman. Whatever indeed.

880 NY Nana  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 6:25:22pm

re: #696 imtoast

Wow, I had no idea it was like that here. I know that there has been antisemitism, but not to that degree. Geez!

It was something that we lived with. No special privileges, no 'equal opportunity' anything. We did it the old fashioned way: we earned it.

A lot of truly brilliant people I went to school with were not admitted to the Ivies. IIRC, MIT was more open.

I am so grateful that now it is better, and that my 4 kids did not face these problems. When our oldest, who is now 44, went to SUNY Buffalo, they had special programs to bring minority groups up to speed. They really did not accomplish their goal, and IIRC, when the youngest (35) also went there, the program was not offered anymore.

The oldest went to Columbia for his Masters...and is a moonbat, alas.

And what alarms me now is the rise here of Jew hate...and it is not all that subtle anymore.

I wonder if our 3 little grandkids will suffer from it....

881 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 6:28:48pm

re: #810 Q

Because I prefer facing reality to talking myself into supporting the unsupportable?

If you can't support someone about 80% right then you'll wind up with someone about 20% right.['

882 Q  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 6:31:45pm

OK, I actually do like some of the things McCain said in the NO speech. In spite of myself.

883 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 6:34:20pm

re: #882 Q

OK, I actually do like some of the things McCain said in the NO speech. In spite of myself.

"Q" -

McCain is a Patriot. To my mind a sadly misguided one at times. And OBAMA is....?

-S-

884 Q  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 6:35:57pm

re: #881 Mars Needs Neocons

If you can't support someone about 80% right then you'll wind up with someone about 20% right.['

McCain is much less than 80% right. Also, not all issues are equally important. I, for one, couldn't care less (particularly in this election) about, say, abortion, or school prayer, or "gay marriage", or any other trees many conservatives choose not to see the forest for. But I do care about the National Question. On which McCain is abysmal.

885 NY Nana  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 6:36:13pm

re: #856 jaydee

Not all arabs are from the cult of islam...the Christian arabs suffer as dhimmis, and many must leave in order to have a life...even in Israel they suffer, in Nazareth, Bethlehem, etc.

It is tragic.

886 Q  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 6:36:56pm

re: #883 Dr. Shalit

"Q" -

McCain is a Patriot. To my mind a sadly misguided one at times. And OBAMA is....?

-S-

Obama is an anti-American alien. But McCain is a patriot only in his own mind.

887 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 6:37:17pm

re: #881 Mars Needs Neocons

"Mars N-N" -

Reminds me MUCH of the old Ed Koch statement - something like - if you are with me on 8 or 9 of 12 - Vote for me - if you are with me on 12 out of 12 - see a Psychiatrist!

-S-

888 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 6:43:44pm

re: #884 Q

McCain is much less than 80% right. Also, not all issues are equally important. I, for one, couldn't care less (particularly in this election) about, say, abortion, or school prayer, or "gay marriage", or any other trees many conservatives choose not to see the forest for. But I do care about the National Question. On which McCain is abysmal.

That's unfortunate. I too could also care less about those issues. But, I will oppose the resurrection of the communist monster on our own soil. And I will oppose those in bed with our enemies. Obama is both. He is the ultimate Manchurian Candidate/Trojan Horse. He will be more damaging to this country than anyone can figure.
Also if you think McCain is bad on the border, just wait until you hear Obamas plan. I'm sure it's a good one./

889 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 7:10:05pm

re: #880 NY Nana

"Nana" -

If it becomes blatant and widespread - the "Gentiles" will suffer MORE in the long run - See: Germany, 1945.

-S-

890 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 7:13:43pm

re: #888 Mars Needs Neocons

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Like Hammer to Nail - you hit it - Sen. McCain has been a 65 percenter for the last 10 years. AND OBAMA is about a 5 percenter. 'Ya votes your choices and take your chances.

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891 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Jun 3, 2008 7:22:30pm