N☭bama.

Hillary Clinton ends up being the running mate of ... John McCain. Discuss.

I said the same thing a few months back...I was wearing my tinfoil hat then...but I might not need it anymore.

A horrible daydream keeps disturbing my reverie today, in which Hillary Clinton ends up being the running mate of ... John McCain. Discuss.

I was going to make that EXACT joke!

Well, at least it made the front page.

A horrible daydream keeps disturbing my reverie today, in which Hillary Clinton ends up being the running mate of ... John McCain. Discuss.

Well, he'd probably win.

Gobama!

Pertinent!

I'd take McCain/Clinton over Obama/Anybody any day of the week and twice on Sundays - but that's just me.

Once we had a liberal, a socialist, and a marxist.

Now we only have a liberal and a marxist.

Okay, someone tell me how this is going to improve.

By the way, the Spy now shows new spinoff links as they're posted, in addition to comments.

Working on getting ratings and front page articles into the mix.

I think McCain + Hillary would WIN the general election ...

... and 95% of the electorate would subsequently be mortified and disgusted by the result.

Even though they did the voting.

re: #6 song_and_dance_man

McCain-Lieberman 2008

Real possibilities there!

If he makes her vp then he's nuttier than a squirrel turd.

A horrible daydream keeps disturbing my reverie today, in which Hillary Clinton ends up being the running mate of ... John McCain. Discuss.

I refuse.

Even though it looks as if Senator O will be their candidate, I still cannot believe he will be their candidate.

I'll vote for Obama if someone can explain to me what "Change We Can Believe In" actually means.

"Hillary Clinton ends up being the running mate of ... John McCain. Discuss."
That would be a disaster wrapped in a catastrophe surrounded by the end of the world. But I would still vote for IT over Obama!

re: #10 zombie

You know Zombie, McCain has promised that if Hillary is his running mate, the metric system will be the law of the land.

Not that he isn't already nuts that is.

re: #11 Carridine

Possibilities that they'd go down in flames. I don't see Lieberman joining a McCain ticket because he wouldn't bring any geographical locations into the mix that McCain needs to win.

The ant--Obama vote's going to clinch it for McCain.

I read an article by a liberal about a month ago. The headline was "The Racist, the Liar, or the Warmonger?"

re: #16 Nevergiveup

If McCain knows what is good for his personal health, he won't pick a Clinton to be his VP.

The question is:

Is O + H better or worse for the Dems than H + O ?

My opinion:

Hillary as pres and O as VP would enable the Dems to win the general election.

BUT...

O as pres and Hillary as VP is the worst of both worlds and will guarantee their defeat.

re: #14 Catttt Blinded by the light of Obama's voting numbers WHEN RUNNING AGAINST Democrats, they see only the awesome golden glow outlining him, NOT the contrast with McCain...

Political Eduction!

A public school field trip...to the local illegal alien day labor center

It wasn’t your typical field trip that Danielle Quinto took her fourth-grade class at Our Community School in North Hills on last week.
Her 25 students - all from lower- to middle-class working families - didn’t go to the Los Angeles Zoo or Travel Town.
Instead, they went to see men whom they said scared them, men they thought were dangerous and stole things.
Quinto took her class of 9-year-old children on a field trip to a city-funded, day-labor work site in North Hollywood near a Home Depot.
“It was a little weird taking the kids on a field trip like this, but it turned out to be a teacher’s dream,” the young, charter school teacher said Monday.

re: #25 jcm

More like INDOCTRINATION.

bill would go for it. he would attach himself to anyone to get back in the white house.

re: #19 lawhawk
Ah!
Got it. Thx!

re: #27 Jetpilot1101

More like INDOCTRINATION.

Nah! Only commies do that...... wait a minute.....

re: #15 WrathofG-d

I'll vote for Obama if someone can explain to me what "Change We Can Believe In" actually means.

I'm not a fan of the slogan, but I think it means that Oba--- *gasp* the name!

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HOPE! CHANGE! BANDWAGON!
CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN!

Hillary floats the VP balloon.
Obama stays silent.
The female contingent of the Dem party notices and takes righteous offense.
Could it switch more than a couple of superdelegates to Hillary?

re: #15 WrathofG-d

I'll vote for Obama if someone can explain to me what "Change We Can Believe In" actually means.

Silly! It's as opposed to the other kind of change, you know, empty political slogans, fancy photo ops, and spin doctoring.

/please ignore the man behind the curtain

And now for something of real substance. I think I'm ready to roll out my revised blog. 3 columns... a few new toys, though nothing in comparison to what Charles has going. Just needed to revamp it with more real estate space available for information.

re: #22 WrathofG-d

If McCain knows what is good for his personal health, he won't pick a Clinton to be his VP.

I think he would kick both their asses and twice on Sunday.

The Obama lover was all smiles after work today. I said, "If he wins, I just hope we can survive four years of Carter II. Those were the most miserable four years of my life. When Reagan won, it was like a ray of light." He was just shaking his head. He doesn't understand. He's incapable of understanding. He lacks the requisite Enlightenment philosophical, logical, and rational background to comprehend how Obama's views are contrary to the fundamental principles upon which America was built. I once explained to him how my opposition to Obama is based on facts, and proceeded to list those facts. I asked him what he based his support for Obama on...leg tingles? He said it was more in the upper thigh. I don't think he was joking.

re: #17 Jetpilot1101

You know Zombie, McCain has promised that if Hillary is his running mate, the metric system will be the law of the land.

NOOOOOOOOOOO! ! ! ! ! !

If that happens I'll have to move to...

...move to...

....

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO! ! ! ! !

mccain needs a true conservative running mate. too many people are not happy w/ him and the libs and independents he's hoping for might not come thru for him.

I still think 'Maverick' will pick Mike Steele as his veep. I don't see Shrill on his ticket.

re: #23 zombie

The question is:

Is O + H better or worse for the Dems than H + O ?

My opinion:

Hillary as pres and O as VP would enable the Dems to win the general election.

BUT...

O as pres and Hillary as VP is the worst of both worlds and will guarantee their defeat.

I know more than one liberal woman who has said they'd not vote for Senator Obama for Pres. no matter what - even with Senator Clinton as veep. They are angry.

If the Dems were TRYING to destroy themselves, they'd screw it up.

re: #6 song_and_dance_man

I'd rather see Joe Lieberman run with McCain.

at least Sen. Joe Lieberman is a 'good American' would love to see him start a pro american centerist party.

i would like him to be the v.p. on John McCain's ticket but it isn't going to happen.

re: #12 MES41067

If he makes her vp then he's nuttier than a squirrel turd.

At least that's been digested... such an action wouldn't even warrant being called halfbaked...

A worse combination would be Hillary-Obama. I think McCain could handle Hillary. If she runs with Obama, guaranteed it's a joint presidency with Obama scared pissless.

A horrible daydream keeps disturbing my reverie today, in which Hillary Clinton ends up being the running mate of ... John McCain. Discuss.

Bad Charles! Bad!

On a more serious note, it re: #15 WrathofG-d

I'll vote for Obama if someone can explain to me what "Change We Can Believe In" actually means.

On a more serious note, it means more taxes, welfare, dependency, and whole truckload of victories for America's enemies.

re: #32 EC Marm

No, that wont switch 'em.

The fact that the supers should be able to see that Obama couldn't win the big ticket states other than his home state of Illinois should have been a warning that he simply can't win those traditionally blue states.

He's relying on changing the map around, and there's no reason to believe that will happen.

It will be interesting to see who both parties choose as running mates. Watch for the geographical/demographic picks, and not necessarily those that are on the tip of the tongue.

I've been a neo-con since 2001. I've given often and lately to John McCain.

But there's a goofy Democrat inside me that smiles when I think about Bill Clinton.

If McCain (or the Obamessiah) picked the Hildabeast as his running mate, I'd give them 10 months before something mysteriously happened to them that they'd have to leave office.

re: #41 yochanan

at least Sen. Joe Lieberman is a 'good American' would love to see him start a pro american centerist party.

i would like him to be the v.p. on John McCain's ticket but it isn't going to happen.

Joe would be a bad choice because it would be two old men vs. the young guy.

God help America

Let's see...
John BilHill?

Yikes!

re: #41 yochanan

Lieberman is pushing the asinine global warming bill through the Senate and it would be nothing more than a tax and spend boondoggle that will strangle the economy without changing emissions one iota.

That he is strong on Israel and the WoT shouldn't blind you to the fact that he's still a liberal at heart and caucuses with the Democrats most of the time.

Change

Change is not always a good thing.

re: #48 right_wing2

If McCain (or the Obamessiah) picked the Hildabeast as his running mate, I'd give them 10 months before something mysteriously happened to them that they'd have to leave office.

...more than likely in a body bag.

re: #37 zombie

NOOOOOOOOOOO! ! ! ! ! !

If that happens I'll have to move to...

...move to...

....

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO! ! ! ! !

Lol.

The king's armspan/thumb measurements were good enough for my mom.
The king's armspan/thumb measurements are good enough for me.

I even have a yardstick that is a yard on both sides. :D

re: #53 Maximu§

Change

Change is not always a good thing.

Now that is something I can beleive in!

re: #23 zombie

The question is:

Is O + H better or worse for the Dems than H + O ?

My opinion:

Hillary as pres and O as VP would enable the Dems to win the general election.

BUT...

O as pres and Hillary as VP is the worst of both worlds and will guarantee their defeat.

O as pres and Hillary as VP makes them almost unbeatable, methinks. Women who are outraged over Hillary's treatment would be placated, instead of voting for McCain in protest.

re: #26 song_and_dance_man

strong in the war on terror and it would piss off the Muslims to boot.

The statement of the day

NASA Distorted Global-Warming Studies

WASHINGTON — NASA's press office "marginalized or mischaracterized" studies on global warming between 2004 and 2006, the agency's own internal watchdog concluded.

In a report released Monday, NASA's inspector general office called it "inappropriate political interference" by political appointees in the press office.

And both candidates want to make major policy decisions based on CARP!

re: #46 lawhawk

No, that wont switch 'em.

I trust your opinion. In that case, I would imagine the Hillary supporters would enact revenge in November by voting for McCain. It's a lose-lose for Obama. I'm not sure he realizes that yet.

Hi guys. I almost killed myself an hour ago -- careening down a ski slope on my mountain bike with no helmut. Stupid me. I'm still shaking.

So what are we talking about?

Wasn't today incredible? She concedes ... she doesn't concede. She's veep ... she's not veep. So much happened.

Can we have a new thread. I am getting a headache thinking about it.

re: #47 Plato

But there's a goofy Democrat inside me that smiles when I think about Bill Clinton.

Thats called your Inner Child....the part of us that never wants to grow up.

re: #36 Tigger2005

I'm stunned by the reation I see to Obama from some people I other wise admire & respect. The man is so obviously A) a hard leftist, B) a liar and C) and empty suit... I can't understand how some people can't see that.

But then I remember ALL politics is psychological. No rational argument will ever convince somebody for or against a political candidate. You "friend" is emotionally committed to Obama. Only an even more powerful emotional reaction will open his eyes. Unfortunately, John McCain is not going to deliver that for the true believers. Our only hope is that he can convince enough of the undecided to win the election.

If McCain picking Hillary is the only way to keep Obama out of the White House, then pick away--until it bleeds.

But it will never happen. Hillary wants to run again someday, and serving a republican as VP would make her lose her democrat street cred.

re: #62 hermeneutics

Hi guys. I almost killed myself an hour ago -- careening down a ski slope on my mountain bike with no helmut. Stupid me. I'm still shaking.

So what are we talking about?

Wasn't today incredible? She concedes ... she doesn't concede. She's veep ... she's not veep. So much happened.

...or didn't happen!

Glad you're okay.

you can take the politician out of Chicago, but you can't take the Chicago out of the politician.

Obama's fitting running mate would be a dead guy. Then again, he has the dead vote wrapped up.

re: #49 Globular Cluster
re: #41 yochanan

at least Sen. Joe Lieberman is a 'good American' would love to see him start a pro american centerist party.

i would like him to be the v.p. on John McCain's ticket but it isn't going to happen.

Joe would be a bad choice because it would be two old men vs. the young guy.

Uh, Senator Lieberman is a Liberal. Just felt that should be mentioned. Sorry to interrupt.

re: #36 Tigger2005

Obama's views are contrary to reality. Period.

re: #66 Wily

If McCain picking Hillary is the only way to keep Obama out of the White House, then pick away--until it bleeds.

I think it would actually be a good tactical choice.

An Obama presidency would turn American into a true kakistocracy

My God. Even silky pony would have been a better candidate, and I cannot stand him.

Charles, please don't use the words "joint" and "Bill" in the same sentence.

re: #67 livefreeor die

Thank you. I'm just too old for these childish acts.

Jindal is introducing McCain....now THAT would be nice.

re: #70 The Other Les

Obama's views are contrary to reality. Period.

Rotating Title !

I really hope Hillary runs as an Indy. That would totally F the Dems.

My Obamanation:

President Obama
Vice Clinton

Secretary of State McCain
Secretary of Defense Rosie O'Donnell
SCOTUS Bubba
etc

re: #45 Dartmouth

On a more serious note, it

On a more serious note, it means more taxes, welfare, dependency, and whole truckload of victories for America's enemies.

Punitive taxation of anyone living in a manner that is better than a caveman.

re: #49 Globular Cluster

Joe would be a bad choice because it would be two old men vs. the young guy.

well i am a older guy (bald white haired) and i don't trust whippersnappers.

re: #54 livefreeor die

That's a possibility, too.

Obama / Carter 08 !

re: #39 chicagodudewhotrades

I still think 'Maverick' will pick Mike Steele as his veep. I don't see Shrill on his ticket.

I voted for Steele. Would do it again. He's got a terrific story. He never bought the age old victimhood line, thus he's considered a sellout. It's the black communities loss.

McCain speaking right now from Louisiana on MSNBC.

re: #15 WrathofG-d

I'll vote for Obama if someone can explain to me what "Change We Can Believe In" actually means.

Its really quite simple, you see, when he gets done taxing the priviledged few (us) all the average person will have left is change. and with that our economy will tank and you will be believing that your pennies will be your last.

re: #69 The Shadow Do

re: #41 yochanan

Uh, Senator Lieberman is a Liberal. Just felt that should be mentioned. Sorry to interrupt.

Old school liberal. Strong military, pro-Iraq and troops, pro-Israel. He is also an Orthodox Jew, which makes him conservative in many respects by that simple virtue (faith, tradition, etc.).

re: #78 Sizzlack

I really hope Hillary runs as an Indy. That would totally F the Dems.

I don't see that happening.

re: #86 JustMyView

McCain speaking right now from Louisiana on MSNBC.

ON FOX

re: #63 Nevergiveup

Can we have a new thread. I am getting a headache thinking about it.

me too.

re: #5 Carridine

Gobama!

Pertinent!

Excellent!

Obama and Clinton futures on Rasmussen markets jumped all over the place today. Made some virtual money.

re: #82 yochanan

well i am a older guy (bald white haired) and i don't trust whippersnappers.

Yeah, but the whippersnappers might be turned off by some old crotchety codgers.

re: #82 yochanan

well i am a older guy (bald white haired) and i don't trust whippersnappers.

NO WHIPPERSNAPPERS! NO WHIPPERSNAPPERS! NO WHIPPERSNAPPERS! NO WHIPPERSNAPPERS! NO WHIPPERSNAPPERS! NO WHIPPERSNAPPERS!

re: #15 WrathofG-d

I'll vote for Obama if someone can explain to me what "Change We Can Believe In" actually means.

[Link: article.nationalreview.com...]

He's the best at explaining it I have found.

Hewitt was talking to Mike Allen of The Politico this afternoon, about Dick Gephardt being Obama's veep choice.

re: #69 The Shadow Do

re: #41 yochanan

Uh, Senator Lieberman is a Liberal. Just felt that should be mentioned. Sorry to interrupt.

he might be a 'old school' liberal like scoop jackson not a socialist like obama

re: #74 Ward Cleaver

Charles, please don't use the words "joint" and "Bill" in the same sentence.

Inhale!

It may sound a little paranoid of me but I gotta say almost anything is better than Obama. I think the guy is real real real bad, evil almost. If it was a McCain/Clinton ticket that beat him I really wouldn't care. That being said, I don't think he'll take Clinton, that's just a (bad) dream. BUT I do think he'll go more center than right on his choice. If Clinton would've won the nomination, he'd have gone conservative.

re: #64 Maximu�

But there's a goofy Democrat inside me that smiles when I think about Bill Clinton.

Thats called your Inner Child....the part of us that never wants to grow up.

re: #99 yochanan

You mean it's the part that put up the playboy bunnie logo as an icon?

re: #84 LeftJustAintRight

Isn't that redundant?

re: #100 The Other Les

Inhale!

Drink !

OOPS!
[Link: video.google.com...]

Wrong link!
This is the best at explaining Obama.

re: #63 Nevergiveup

Can we have a new thread. I am getting a headache thinking about it.

Something light, like a car swarm thread.

re: #94 Catttt

I'm registered on that trading site too. I should see where my positions stand.

McCain speaking in New Orleans. Praising Hillary

he plans to reform everything - disaster relief, military and intelligence services.

A few trivial points the MSM keeps forgetting to mention...
The stupordelegates are not "committed" (though, in a different sense perhaps they should be) until they are actually cast at the convention. just like the rest of the delegates...
Oh... and the state delegates can also be changed at the convention as well... (this is part of why the swimmer went all the way in his losing bid vs Carter)
Without the stupordelegates they are only 124 points between them, less than that* if the DNC's ethics committee (oxymoron perhaps, but it's what they call it) overturns the ruling and adds in all of Florida/Michigan without giving Obamasama "extra" delegates and taking away those he did not earn...
Although I'm not impressed at all with him, he is at least smart enough to know his heartbeat should not be between the Clintons and her sitting in the Presidency... If he's not that smart and offers her second place we'll have either McCain or another Clinton as POTUS... If he is that smart and offers VP to someone else then it'll be a delegate fight at the convention and quite interesting to see...

*if not a lead change actually...

re: #47 Plato

I've been a neo-con since 2001. I've given often and lately to John McCain.

But there's a goofy Democrat inside me that smiles when I think about Bill Clinton.

you sure that's not just gas?

re: #65 Kenneth

... ALL politics is psychological. No rational argument will ever convince somebody for or against a political candidate. You "friend" is emotionally committed to Obama. Only an even more powerful emotional reaction will open his eyes. Unfortunately, John McCain is not going to deliver that for the true believers. Our only hope is that he can convince enough of the undecided to win the election.

Good point. I tend to think people respond to reasoned argument, but that's not the case, is it? People intuit at a gut-level. I can see why Obama attracts leftists -- he's smooth and obfuscating, like them.

Who would McCain attract?
Vets and their families and other patriotic people.
Retired Americans (?) but the AARP always tries to get retirees to vote D.
Republican base
?

re: #99 yochanan

People should understand the difference between "liberalism" and "socialism", but they are frequently confused.

re: #34 lawhawk

And now for something of real substance. I think I'm ready to roll out my revised blog. 3 columns... a few new toys, though nothing in comparison to what Charles has going. Just needed to revamp it with more real estate space available for information.

Suggestions:

The header is pale writing on a pale background -- too hard to read.

Same thing applies to the sidebar somewhat, but to a lesser degree.

You need a greater contract between the text and the background in those places.

Government often makes matters worse

re: #88 Globular Cluster

Old school liberal. Strong military, pro-Iraq and troops, pro-Israel. He is also an Orthodox Jew, which makes him conservative in many respects by that simple virtue (faith, tradition, etc.).

Abortion. Taxes. Expansion of Government. Etc. How does that abortion thing wash with Orthodoxy? Serious question, I don't know but it does seem inconsistent on the face of it.

re: #42 anotherindyfilmguy

At least that's been digested... such an action wouldn't even warrant being called halfbaked...

lol

re: #103 right_wing2

Isn't that redundant?

It is the Democrats
Redundant and oxymoron are One in the same

re: #98 Ward Cleaver

Hewitt was talking to Mike Allen of The Politico this afternoon, about Dick Gephardt being Obama's veep choice.

Is he still breathing?
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Guess so.

He's as white as they come, ain't he?

Also struck me as dumber than your average congresscritter.

Steele or Sarah Palin for Veep

McCain : REthink - reform, reinvent

re: #94 Catttt

Obama and Clinton futures on Rasmussen markets jumped all over the place today. Made some virtual money.

Now you can pay your doubled virtual capital gains tax.
a reality under the Messiah.

Meanwhile in Iran today, Obama's 'sure I'd meet with him' first penciled-in appointment announces yet again that' Israel is about to disappear like the slime it is '[sic].
McCain had better grab onto this and not screw it up.......

Charles, I think you might be right. I have thought all along that if McCain had a savvy, capable, tough, no nonsense woman runningmate, he'd be tough to beat.

However I have been universally, verbally, flogged for insinuating that Rice might be that woman (personally I don't like her stand on MANY MANY issues, especially Israel, but I have problems with McCain, too.)

However, Hillary might be a possibility. That said, I am not a proponent of Hillary in the least. Before any of you slap me, re-read those 3 words "in the least."

Several posters said that something mysterious would exit the POTUS if Hillary were VP (i.e. a bodybag). That wouldn't surprise me either.

But if we get two old guys up there campaigning as Pres/VP, we are SUNK.

I think it was important for Mitt to move to California, so he's not seen as much as a North easterner

HRC is from the same political school as BHO.....
Alinsky
She more subtle than BHO, she got a few years of political experience that tells her to tone it down. He's fresh of the activist program and thinks CHANGE! NOW is palatable.

re: #88 Globular Cluster

Old school liberal. Strong military, pro-Iraq and troops, pro-Israel. He is also an Orthodox Jew, which makes him conservative in many respects by that simple virtue (faith, tradition, etc.).

He was the only Democrat who got up and criticized Clinton for his conduct with Monica Lewinsky. His speech was very impressive and boiled down to, "This is just plain wrong and we shouldn't be making excuses for it."

re: #115 The Shadow Do

Abortion. Taxes. Expansion of Government. Etc. How does that abortion thing wash with Orthodoxy? Serious question, I don't know but it does seem inconsistent on the face of it.

[Link: www.slate.com...]

Hillary Clinton ends up being the running mate of ... John McCain

That ticket would almost surely win.

/and completely destroy the Republican Party in the process

re: #111 hermeneutics

Presidential election are won by the candidate who captures the middle of the political spectrum without totaly alienating his base. McCain has a big challenge there. Obama has his base, the only question is how much of the middle he can take.

re: #107 chicagodudewhotrades

I'm registered on that trading site too. I should see where my positions stand.

I'm going to take a bath on my holding on brokered Dem convention, I have a feeling. I still think chaos will reign, though.

re: #118 itellu3times

Is he still breathing?
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Guess so.

He's as white as they come, ain't he?

Also struck me as dumber than your average congresscritter.

But is he dumber than the B.O.?

re: #118 itellu3times

Howdy Doody and Baby Dumbo on the same ticket?
What a cartoonists' dream team.....

re: #115 The Shadow Do

Abortion. Taxes. Expansion of Government. Etc. How does that abortion thing wash with Orthodoxy? Serious question, I don't know but it does seem inconsistent on the face of it.

The issue is Orthodox Judaism does not prohibit abortion entirely. There are rare instances where it is permitted (to save a mother's life etc) but not as birth control. So, the banning of abortion across the board is not ideal.

re: #124 LeonidasOfSparta

Charles, I think you might be right. I have thought all along that if McCain had a savvy, capable, tough, no nonsense woman runningmate, he'd be tough to beat.

Fooey.

Hilda missed her chance, she could have jumped parties in January and been the Republican presidential nominee, with McCain vice. Mebbe.

c'mon Johnno...quit kickin' the gubmint and kick your opponent..jeesh!

McCain: I have a few years on my opponent - so I'm surprised a young man has bought into so many failed programs

Good Evening Lizards! It was very, very rainy in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland today. I know, I was driving it in it.

So. --any news of the candidate wars?

How are you -all? I'm not here for long, I snuck in while child is eating.

re: #111 hermeneutics

Good point. I tend to think people respond to reasoned argument, but that's not the case, is it? People intuit at a gut-level. I can see why Obama attracts leftists -- he's smooth and obfuscating, like them.

Who would McCain attract?
Vets and their families and other patriotic people.
Retired Americans (?) but the AARP always tries to get retirees to vote D.
Republican base
?

I had a GW argument with a Gorebot today. He out and out said he didn't care what the science said, oil was evil and we needed to be rid of it. He was even less receptive to my questions on how a thing can be evil.

"I'm an older man, but I'm suprised that a young man has bought into so many old failed ideas" - McCain

Gosh, it's nice to hear McCain on an election primary night.
He is still racking up delegates, too, right?

re: #121 mikeinmd

Now you can pay your doubled virtual capital gains tax.
a reality under the Messiah.

Noooooooooooo!

re: #132 The Other Les

But is he dumber than the B.O.?

Intelligence in the cause of socialism is no virtue.

I like this speech : )

Throwing Bush under the bus

re: #137 DistantThunder

McCain: I have a few years on my opponent - so I'm surprised a young man has bought into so many failed programs

So far that is his best line.

re: #133 tradewind

Howdy Doody and Baby Dumbo on the same ticket?
What a cartoonists' dream team.....

Ebony and Ivory, ...

Woohoo McCain takes jabs at Obama. The gloves are off.

McCain is landing some body blows in this speech.

Rachel Rays secret past (snicker)
[Link: www.cameltap.com...]

....before my own interests...hmmmm

re: #134 jayzee

The issue is Orthodox Judaism does not prohibit abortion entirely. There are rare instances where it is permitted (to save a mother's life etc) but not as birth control. So, the banning of abortion across the board is not ideal.

How did Lieberman come down on partial birth abortion?

re: #139 jcm

I had a GW argument with a Gorebot today. He out and out said he didn't care what the science said, oil was evil and we needed to be rid of it. He was even less receptive to my questions on how a thing can be evil.

It's always fun to point out that he, indeed, can stop using.
But that will mean Change.

re: #138 ggt

Good Evening Lizards! It was very, very rainy in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland today. I know, I was driving it in it.

So. --any news of the candidate wars?

How are you -all? I'm not here for long, I snuck in while child is eating.

I had a outdoor temp job canceled today because of the rain up in Minnesota.

"Americans didn't get to know me yesterday," John McCain.
I like that one, too.

It's nice to finally hear him talk about some of this stuff...I've been waiting a while to hear it.

McCain is a professional warrior - Obama is a piker by comparison.

re: #113 zombie

Thanks. I've been tweaking 'em some, but still have a way to go. I think that's similar to my old color scheme, but something is still missing, and I have to clean up the top of the page some.

re: #139 jcm

Oil is evil? But I thought secular humanists don't believe in such primative ideas as "good" and "evil"...

re: #122 song_and_dance_man

I went kamikaze down the slopes of Brians Head ski slope in Utah about 6 years ago and had a helmet. The thing saved me and I still have the helmet with two large gashes that would have been in my head. I still broke a bunch of ribs and busted my leaf shoulder. It still hurts to this day.

Ouch, oooo. What a horrible story. Broken ribs remind you of their existence with every breath. And your shoulder too? SnD -- you are lucky to be alive.

(I'll be out riding Brian's Head the last week of June and will take your story to heart.)

re: #143 itellu3times

Intelligence in the cause of socialism is no virtue.

That's a good one! Can I quote you?

re: #7 mink

I'd take McCain/Clinton over Obama/Anybody any day of the week and twice on Sundays - but that's just me.

So would I. McCain/Anybody over Obama/Anybody, really. But as one lizard put it, I would vote for a potted plant before I'd vote for Hussein

re: #133 tradewind

LMAO!

re: #122 song_and_dance_man

I went kamikaze down the slopes of Brians Head ski slope in Utah about 6 years ago and had a helmet. The thing saved me and I still have the helmet with two large gashes that would have been in my head. I still broke a bunch of ribs and busted my leaf shoulder. It still hurts to this day.

yeah..I got trouble with my leaf shoulder too..heh

did you see the wink after the 'we are just now getting to know senator obama'? classic.

re: #115 The Shadow Do

Abortion. Taxes. Expansion of Government. Etc. How does that abortion thing wash with Orthodoxy? Serious question, I don't know but it does seem inconsistent on the face of it.

Ortho jewish opinion on abortion
no on abortion as birth control
yes if the woman's life is threatened or if she was raped
and if the woman's life is in real danger SHE HAS TO HAVE THE ABORTION. as the life of the woman comes before the fetus.

McCain laying some lumber on the annointed one on his grand day of triumph.

5 years in a prison - maybe he deserves this opportunity - but do we deserve him?

re: #98 Ward Cleaver

Hewitt was talking to Mike Allen of The Politico this afternoon, about Dick Gephardt being Obama's veep choice.

Surely you jest.

An Obama/Hillary ticket would be the best case scenario for the Dems to win. Thanks to Hillary's rather nasty campaign, neither of them can win alone.
We should be scared.
Who does McCain pick for VP if this couple does run together? Rice?

McCain must hammer home the point he is not Bush.

re: #60 jcm

NASA Distorted Global-Warming Studies

And both candidates want to make major policy decisions based on CARP!

C'mon jcm, not even Fox News is immune to the koolaid that is global warming. Go to [Link: www.earthstations.org...] to find out the real truth about what's being foisted on us right now. That's nothing but a hack article.

lawhawk: looks great! Change!

I'd agree with zombie on the text/background colors -- I always find light text on dark background hard to read too.

re: #164 SpartanWoman

So would I. McCain/Anybody over Obama/Anybody, really. But as one lizard put it, I would vote for a potted plant before I'd vote for Hussein

McCain/Potted Plant 08!

re: #131 Catttt

My position on that is down nearly $400

re: #130 Kenneth

We are his base. We have no where to go, Kenneth. I suppose some may defect to Barr, but not many. Others may stay home. But his centrist appeal is real and these are the people he needs.

Right?

re: #173 snowcrash

McCain must hammer home the point he is not Bush.

He is doing a pretty good job at that right now and without being nasty to President Bush to boot.

McCain!

oooohhhhh ripping into Obama we would have not had the progress in Iraq if we'd followed Obama

re: #159 DistantThunder

McCain is a professional warrior - Obama is a piker by comparison.

I wouldn't go that far. I'd say the B.O. is a spoiled brat throwing a temper tantrum.

OMG

Got here too late to join the thread ...

Think I'll take a case of Twinkies and head to the storm shelter until the election blows over.

I am so depressed ...

re: #168 yochanan

Ortho jewish opinion on abortion
no on abortion as birth control
yes if the woman's life is threatened or if she was raped
and if the woman's life is in real danger SHE HAS TO HAVE THE ABORTION. as the life of the woman comes before the fetus.

Thank you, that is what I thought.

re: #65 Kenneth

I'll admit...I was emotionally committed to Ronald Reagan. And hey, he was charismatic too. But he had MEAT to him. Substance. A strong belief in fundamental American values and principles. And an iron will.

Had I discovered things about Reagan even remotely like Obama's negatives, I would have dropped him like a hot coal, no matter how emotionally invested in him I was. How could I live with myself if I helped elect, say, an unrepentant racist to office?

Earlier, someone mentioned Governor Sarah Palin out of Alaska as a potential running mate for McCain. After looking at her wikipedia, I am very intruigued. Can someone shed some more light on her?

re: #15 WrathofG-d

I'll vote for Obama if someone can explain to me what "Change We Can Believe In" actually means.

Check out Gateway Pundit, where the founder of the Electronic Intifada discusses his multi-year friendship with Obama. I believe Barry was totally on board with the pali cause until he ran for the US Senate. Then, presto-changeo he adopted a more nuanced view of the Israel-Pali dispute.

That's some change you can, er, believe in.

At least McCain has a sense of humor and uses some class and wit when he takes shots at Obama.

/Obama just attacks like the arrogant snot he is

extended McCain speech excerpts:
[Link: marcambinder.theatlantic.com...]

"I hate war" - everyone does except the despots

re: #186 TheMatrix31

Earlier, someone mentioned Governor Sarah Palin out of Alaska as a potential running mate for McCain. After looking at her wikipedia, I am very intruigued. Can someone shed some more light on her?

One of her son's is serving.

I thought the same thing this afternoon when I was reading McCain's comments on Hillary.

A horrible daydream keeps disturbing my reverie today, in which Hillary Clinton ends up being the running mate of ... John McCain. Discuss.

Not a chance.

re: #175 Charles

lawhawk: looks great! Change!

I'd agree with zombie on the text/background colors -- I always find light text on dark background hard to read too.

I agree on that point, but didn't want to pile on.

Break it gently.

I woulda made a good doctor.

re: #188 Killian Bundy

At least McCain has a sense of humor and uses some class and wit when he takes shots at Obama.

/Obama just attacks like the arrogant snot he is

Old school gentlemen are real men.

re: #161 Kenneth

Oil is evil? But I thought secular humanists don't believe in such primative ideas as "good" and "evil"...

The other party to the conversation was a Paulbot.

His sentiment was he hoped McCain stroked out before the Convention and RonPaul would sweep into nomination.

His take on GW was BIG OIL was ripping us off.

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

Hillary's as good as out and he knows it, he's going after Obama now.

re: #135 itellu3times

yes. (and thanks for not smacking me for my post.)

I am so worried,and justifiably so, that Hussein will get into office, that like SpartanWoman said, I would vote for McCain/Anybody just to defeat that empty suit.

re: #192 Nevergiveup

One of her son's is serving.

So suffice it to say she's committed to the security of our nation? What about things like immigration, etc?

re: #183 rusty_armor

If we all do that we'll have President B HUssein Obama! No Thank YOU.

McCain is great in '08.

Don't be insane
Vote McCain
Before you end up with Hussein
who'll lead the nation
DOWN THE DRAIN

O no, breaking with all the energy policies - DRILL, DRILL

Dismantling the change we can believe in meme. He has been saving this one up. Let the contest begin!

re: #196 song_and_dance_man

I know, I don't like to preview.

preview is fer wussies...

re: #154 The Shadow Do

How did Lieberman come down on partial birth abortion?

I don't think well. But again, religiously there is a divergence of opinion. It isn't clear cut.
This just shows part of the differing of opinion.
[Link: www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...]

"White greed runs a world in need!"

Blame Whitey!

Now he's into nutty territory - climate change - opposing oil - help us....

re: #185 Tigger2005

I'll admit...I was emotionally committed to Ronald Reagan. And hey, he was charismatic too. But he had MEAT to him. Substance. A strong belief in fundamental American values and principles. And an iron will.

Had I discovered things about Reagan even remotely like Obama's negatives, I would have dropped him like a hot coal, no matter how emotionally invested in him I was. How could I live with myself if I helped elect, say, an unrepentant racist to office?

The difference is that people LIKE what we perceive as Obama's negatives. People LIKE the fact that he is a newbie. THey LIKE his racialism. They LIKE his international appeasment and pacificm.

So when they look at Obama, they see someone admirable. Yes, I know it is hard to believe.

Pointing out his positions may help with those on the fence but the true believers will continue to worship at Obama's feet.

Don't let the USA become an Obama-nation!

re: #202 TheMatrix31

So suffice it to say she's committed to the security of our nation? What about things like immigration, etc?

She is pro life. Not sure about immigration. Alaska is kinda far away from our southern border?

re: #151 Cowardkerry

Rachel Rays secret past (snicker)
[Link: www.cameltap.com...]

[Link: www.cameltap.com...] beyond funny and not p.c. or lizardette safe lol

i know me bad

re: #197 The Other Les

Old school gentlemen are real men.

Yes. Yes. Yes.

New front page posts should now show up in the Spy too...

I'm going to test it with another politics thread...

I wish the crowd here was a little better...

I like it when he throws the jab, and then smiles and winks.

re: #174 really grumpy big dog johnson

C'mon jcm, not even Fox News is immune to the koolaid that is global warming. Go to [Link: www.earthstations.org...] to find out the real truth about what's being foisted on us right now. That's nothing but a hack article.

Bad link.

I know, I posted a link a month or so ago about NASA cooking the books on data.

re: #191 DistantThunder

"I hate war" - everyone does except the despots

I hate peace activists. I get noticed for the fact that I hate peace activists. I've been called Satanic by a Socialist who was claiming to be a Christian because I hate peace activists.

And why do I hate peace activists?

Because peace without freedom is an abomination.

She just had a down syndrome baby - Gov. of Alaska

McCain's foreign policy and governmental experience is practically UNPRECEDENTED in American history.

Obama is a lightweight in every category.

re: #185 Tigger2005

Absolutely, and that's why I cannot dismiss MichelleO with the Farrakhan woman or Hussein with Wright, with Pfleger, with Rezko, with Ayres.

I cannot imagine the circumstance where I would have to make nice and take photos with any of these people. Nope. No excuse.

Vote Obama, Get Michelle.

Somebody sell me a bumper sticker.

Senator McCain is going to munch Senator Obama big time. IMHO.

Another horrible thought is that the choice of VP is what may determine who becomes Prez...(in other words, the determining factor will be choice of running mates...many potential voters attracted or repelled by virtue of the VP spot) So, the VP choice is crucial for McCain (since everyone's thinking age/replacement)...etc.

"Obama doesn't trust us to make decisions for ourselves."

Hammer that point, McCain.

re: #207 jayzee

thanks jayzee

re: #203 SpartanWoman

If we all do that we'll have President B HUssein Obama! No Thank YOU.

Oh ... that makes me feel so much better. So it is the choice for the little weevil, or the big weevil, now.

Personally, I don't think McCain will pick any better judges, nor do I think that he is concerned about a Democratic Party legislator.

Just another wingtip Republican IMHO ...

re: #177 chicagodudewhotrades

My position on that is down nearly $400

I went from 13th in my state to 89th. Sigh.

re: #186 TheMatrix31

Earlier, someone mentioned Governor Sarah Palin out of Alaska as a potential running mate for McCain. After looking at her wikipedia, I am very intruigued. Can someone shed some more light on her?

Easy enough. Here ya' go.

This is a pretty good speech.

/as opposed to just spouting vague platitudes for two hours and repeating the word "change" 839 times

re: #219 The Other Les

I hate peace activists. I get noticed for the fact that I hate peace activists. I've been called Satanic by a Socialist who was claiming to be a Christian because I hate peace activists.

And why do I hate peace activists?

Because peace without freedom is an abomination.

And peace activists are great enablers and multipliers of evil.

re: #140 The Shadow Do

"I'm an older man, but I'm suprised that a young man has bought into so many old failed ideas" - McCain

That's brilliant.

re: #208 GregInSeattle

"White greed runs a world in need!"

Blame Whitey!

The idiot that you are quoting is still mentally stuck int he Stone Age.

re: #160 lawhawk

Thanks. I've been tweaking 'em some, but still have a way to go. I think that's similar to my old color scheme, but something is still missing, and I have to clean up the top of the page some.

Lawhawk, have you encountered any anomalies regarding color rendering in Windows Vista?

It works!

While we watch the three ring circus, the chaos builds.

What does Ahmadinejad mean by this? (I'm serious. I don't know what he means.)

According to the Telenews agency, he said Europeans are suffering from the "artificial regime" of Israel.

"Europeans have suffered the biggest damage from the Zionists and today the weight of this artificial regime, both political and economic, is on Europe's shoulders," he said.

From the article's talkbacks:

205. EXCUSE ME! MUSLIMS ARE TRYING TO DAMAGE EUROPE
Thanks to European Jews, the solid foundations built by them through hundreds of years of hard labour throughout the continent (and the rest of the world), their vision for a good future for their children and the rest of us, their innocent blood shed, ZIONISM HAS BLESSED EUROPE. Take it or leave it. I'm taking it!
Marlene - FRANCE (06/03/2008 20:40)

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

McCain is sounding good. Obama must be seething at this criticism of all his policies.

A friend and I were just talking a week or so ago about Hillary running as an indie and joining the McCain ticket. I think it would be win/win, except I think Hillary is too obligated and too loyal the Dem party to do it. That, and McCain will probably choose another old white guy as a running mate and, in the end, shit the bed completely.

If somebody pissed off Hillary I think she's nasty enough to go after their throat. Obama... he's going to roll over, piss himself, and apologize. Aside from whatever platforms they think they stand on, that's the biggest difference between the two. Hillary is no peach, but she's a whole lot better than Obama, even with Bill in tow.

And I think Hillary would give a fresher look to McCain's ticket. Anything old and blah, or some rabble-raising foot-in-mouth evangelist idiot like Huckabilly as a VP choice, and McCain's going down like the Titanic. He might as well pick Ron Paul.

Lieberman or indie Hillary. I can get behind either one as VP for McCain. In my dreams, anyway.

re: #216 joecitizen

I wish the crowd here was a little better...

I wish my back was a little better.

Pride self reliance and identity

Have to redo the old bumpersticker:

Clinton Obama for ☭hange!

(Thanks for allowing Unicode entities, Charles!)

Killian,
is Lehman gonna do a Bear Stearns on us?

Senator O reminds me of Chatty Cathy. Remember her? She spoke well but had a limited supply of statements. She wasn't good at off-the-cuff remarks.

So, Carter's coming out for Obama. No surprise there. He's been pushing
Obama for months, and Obama has returned the favor by pushing Carteresque failed policies in return.

what did you -all think of the movie Dogs of War with Christopher Walken?

re: #195 zombie

I agree on that point, but didn't want to pile on.

Break it gently.

I woulda made a good doctor.

there is a reason books are printed with black ink and use 'sarif' fonts
both are easier to read the white type with sans sarif font.

egads charles, mcCain/hildabrest? please let me digest that obamessia has actually managed to mezmoronize the masses of an america that i do not recgonize, i am blown away by the range of people i see with obama stickers, old , young, business man looking, stoner looking but to a one, they are ALL white, i guess since they are for him, then they are not racist, but I, no I am a racist because I am NOT for this liar and MUSLIM. yudk,, abc news is comming on,, i must go puke!

re: #192 Nevergiveup

One of her son's is serving.

One of her son's what is serving?

/nit-pick

CNN now projecting Obama has enough delegates to get nomination.

re: #239 snowcrash

McCain is sounding good. Obama must be seething at this criticism of all his policies.

Seething, huh?

re: #230 LeePro

Easy enough. Here ya' go.

Thanks a lot, bud. I could have done a Google search but figured there may be some specific sites you knowledgable guys might have on record.

re: #224 Catttt

Senator McCain is going to munch Senator Obama big time. IMHO.

I think so too Catttt. His style leads me to think it will be a slow but inevitable momentum that he is likely to build in the coming months with Obama doing the slow fade in the polls.

re: #212 Nevergiveup

She is pro life. Not sure about immigration. Alaska is kinda far away from our southern border?

But she's not too sweet on polar bears. I like her.

re: #175 Charles

Thanks. I'll have to play with color combos.

re: #226 Occasional Reader

"Obama doesn't trust us to make decisions for ourselves."

Hammer that point, McCain.

True, but I think too abstract to make a good campaign point.

McCain must say what he wants government to DO, and only inferentially suggest that it not do other stuff.

Unfortunately, when it comes to campaign freedom is a weak hand, it sounds too much like inaction.

Anyway, as I keep saying, this election will turn on the economy, including oil prices, and secondarily on the war, and tertiarily (?) on character and race but-I-didn't-say-that and age but-you-didn't-say-that.

re: #220 DistantThunder

She just had a down syndrome baby - Gov. of Alaska

The idiots are going to go to town with that. Progressives used to believe in in Eugenics.

I also wish he wouldn't telegraph the laughs so obviously...smiles inappropriately at times..but,I nitpick...McCain/Bolton'08!

re: #219 The Other Les

Peace without Freedom is slavery.

I just wish Jindal was not in favor of teaching intelligent design in schools. In most areas his vision is very close to my own.

However, since he disagrees with me on that point, he's clearly not my ideal vp candidate, so if McCain chooses him as his running mate - well, I'm just gonna have to sit this one out.

Anyone who believes that hasn't been paying attention.

re: #226 Occasional Reader

"Obama doesn't trust us to make decisions for ourselves."

Hammer that point, McCain.

Stone Age God Kings and those aspire to that position are funny that way.

re: #257 itellu3times

Unfortunately, when it comes to campaign freedom is a weak hand, it sounds too much like inaction.

I disagree - he just needs to make the case. Reagan did a great job reminding voters "it's YOUR money", and that the government was mostly supposed to leave them alone to lead their own lives.

re: #233 DistantThunder

And peace activists are great enablers and multipliers of evil.

That too.

One of us has a record of doing that, and one of us doesn't.

McCain just kicked Obama in the teeth.

re: #245 Catttt

Senator O reminds me of Chatty Cathy. Remember her? She spoke well but had a limited supply of statements. She wasn't good at off-the-cuff remarks.

Oh my. Chatty Obamy.

re: #239 snowcrash

McCain is sounding good. Obama must be seething at this criticism of all his policies.

Stone Age God Kings and those aspire to that position are funny that way.

re: #199 funky chicken

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

McCain needs to jump on that.

re: #247 ggt
The original Frederick Forsythe short story was better

re: #220 DistantThunder

She just had a down syndrome baby - Gov. of Alaska

What's your point?

re: #254 The Shadow Do

I think so too Catttt. His style leads me to think it will be a slow but inevitable momentum that he is likely to build in the coming months with Obama doing the slow fade in the polls.

I hope you are correct. I pray that you are correct. My husband is in the sandbox. McCain isn't going to put his life at the risk that a CiC Obama would. End of story.

Evening all! Its Miller time(TM)!

Can you imagine the positive feedback between the hypothetical running mates of Obama and Clinton if they got elected? Socialized healthcare, Nationalised and downsized oil exploration! Open borders! Wihdrawl from Iraq yesterday, no funding Iraq! A new embassy in Iran! Better yet a new embassy in Palistine! Withdrawl the embassy in Tel Aviv! Withdrawl from Afghanistan, but invade Pakistan! With Pelosi, Reid and half the Republican senators cheering 'em on,
/This is bringing me down........

re: #251 Occasional Reader

CNN now projecting Obama has enough delegates to get nomination.

I'm projecting too, but it's actually more like projectile vomiting.