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Hillary Clinton ends up being the running mate of ... John McCain. Discuss.

I said the same thing a few months back...I was wearing my tinfoil hat then...but I might not need it anymore.

A horrible daydream keeps disturbing my reverie today, in which Hillary Clinton ends up being the running mate of ... John McCain. Discuss.

I was going to make that EXACT joke!

Well, at least it made the front page.

A horrible daydream keeps disturbing my reverie today, in which Hillary Clinton ends up being the running mate of ... John McCain. Discuss.

Well, he'd probably win.

Gobama!

Pertinent!

I'd take McCain/Clinton over Obama/Anybody any day of the week and twice on Sundays - but that's just me.

Once we had a liberal, a socialist, and a marxist.

Now we only have a liberal and a marxist.

Okay, someone tell me how this is going to improve.

By the way, the Spy now shows new spinoff links as they're posted, in addition to comments.

Working on getting ratings and front page articles into the mix.

I think McCain + Hillary would WIN the general election ...

... and 95% of the electorate would subsequently be mortified and disgusted by the result.

Even though they did the voting.

re: #6 song_and_dance_man

McCain-Lieberman 2008

Real possibilities there!

If he makes her vp then he's nuttier than a squirrel turd.

A horrible daydream keeps disturbing my reverie today, in which Hillary Clinton ends up being the running mate of ... John McCain. Discuss.

I refuse.

Even though it looks as if Senator O will be their candidate, I still cannot believe he will be their candidate.

I'll vote for Obama if someone can explain to me what "Change We Can Believe In" actually means.

"Hillary Clinton ends up being the running mate of ... John McCain. Discuss."
That would be a disaster wrapped in a catastrophe surrounded by the end of the world. But I would still vote for IT over Obama!

re: #10 zombie

You know Zombie, McCain has promised that if Hillary is his running mate, the metric system will be the law of the land.

Not that he isn't already nuts that is.

re: #11 Carridine

Possibilities that they'd go down in flames. I don't see Lieberman joining a McCain ticket because he wouldn't bring any geographical locations into the mix that McCain needs to win.

The ant--Obama vote's going to clinch it for McCain.

I read an article by a liberal about a month ago. The headline was "The Racist, the Liar, or the Warmonger?"

re: #16 Nevergiveup

If McCain knows what is good for his personal health, he won't pick a Clinton to be his VP.

The question is:

Is O + H better or worse for the Dems than H + O ?

My opinion:

Hillary as pres and O as VP would enable the Dems to win the general election.

BUT...

O as pres and Hillary as VP is the worst of both worlds and will guarantee their defeat.

re: #14 Catttt Blinded by the light of Obama's voting numbers WHEN RUNNING AGAINST Democrats, they see only the awesome golden glow outlining him, NOT the contrast with McCain...

Political Eduction!

A public school field trip...to the local illegal alien day labor center

It wasn’t your typical field trip that Danielle Quinto took her fourth-grade class at Our Community School in North Hills on last week.
Her 25 students - all from lower- to middle-class working families - didn’t go to the Los Angeles Zoo or Travel Town.
Instead, they went to see men whom they said scared them, men they thought were dangerous and stole things.
Quinto took her class of 9-year-old children on a field trip to a city-funded, day-labor work site in North Hollywood near a Home Depot.
“It was a little weird taking the kids on a field trip like this, but it turned out to be a teacher’s dream,” the young, charter school teacher said Monday.

re: #25 jcm

More like INDOCTRINATION.

bill would go for it. he would attach himself to anyone to get back in the white house.

re: #19 lawhawk
Ah!
Got it. Thx!

re: #27 Jetpilot1101

More like INDOCTRINATION.

Nah! Only commies do that...... wait a minute.....

re: #15 WrathofG-d

I'll vote for Obama if someone can explain to me what "Change We Can Believe In" actually means.

I'm not a fan of the slogan, but I think it means that Oba--- *gasp* the name!

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HOPE! CHANGE! BANDWAGON!
CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN!

Hillary floats the VP balloon.
Obama stays silent.
The female contingent of the Dem party notices and takes righteous offense.
Could it switch more than a couple of superdelegates to Hillary?

re: #15 WrathofG-d

I'll vote for Obama if someone can explain to me what "Change We Can Believe In" actually means.

Silly! It's as opposed to the other kind of change, you know, empty political slogans, fancy photo ops, and spin doctoring.

/please ignore the man behind the curtain

And now for something of real substance. I think I'm ready to roll out my revised blog. 3 columns... a few new toys, though nothing in comparison to what Charles has going. Just needed to revamp it with more real estate space available for information.

re: #22 WrathofG-d

If McCain knows what is good for his personal health, he won't pick a Clinton to be his VP.

I think he would kick both their asses and twice on Sunday.

The Obama lover was all smiles after work today. I said, "If he wins, I just hope we can survive four years of Carter II. Those were the most miserable four years of my life. When Reagan won, it was like a ray of light." He was just shaking his head. He doesn't understand. He's incapable of understanding. He lacks the requisite Enlightenment philosophical, logical, and rational background to comprehend how Obama's views are contrary to the fundamental principles upon which America was built. I once explained to him how my opposition to Obama is based on facts, and proceeded to list those facts. I asked him what he based his support for Obama on...leg tingles? He said it was more in the upper thigh. I don't think he was joking.

re: #17 Jetpilot1101

You know Zombie, McCain has promised that if Hillary is his running mate, the metric system will be the law of the land.

NOOOOOOOOOOO! ! ! ! ! !

If that happens I'll have to move to...

...move to...

....

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO! ! ! ! !

mccain needs a true conservative running mate. too many people are not happy w/ him and the libs and independents he's hoping for might not come thru for him.

I still think 'Maverick' will pick Mike Steele as his veep. I don't see Shrill on his ticket.

re: #23 zombie

The question is:

Is O + H better or worse for the Dems than H + O ?

My opinion:

Hillary as pres and O as VP would enable the Dems to win the general election.

BUT...

O as pres and Hillary as VP is the worst of both worlds and will guarantee their defeat.

I know more than one liberal woman who has said they'd not vote for Senator Obama for Pres. no matter what - even with Senator Clinton as veep. They are angry.

If the Dems were TRYING to destroy themselves, they'd screw it up.

re: #6 song_and_dance_man

I'd rather see Joe Lieberman run with McCain.

at least Sen. Joe Lieberman is a 'good American' would love to see him start a pro american centerist party.

i would like him to be the v.p. on John McCain's ticket but it isn't going to happen.

re: #12 MES41067

If he makes her vp then he's nuttier than a squirrel turd.

At least that's been digested... such an action wouldn't even warrant being called halfbaked...

A worse combination would be Hillary-Obama. I think McCain could handle Hillary. If she runs with Obama, guaranteed it's a joint presidency with Obama scared pissless.

A horrible daydream keeps disturbing my reverie today, in which Hillary Clinton ends up being the running mate of ... John McCain. Discuss.

Bad Charles! Bad!

On a more serious note, it re: #15 WrathofG-d

I'll vote for Obama if someone can explain to me what "Change We Can Believe In" actually means.

On a more serious note, it means more taxes, welfare, dependency, and whole truckload of victories for America's enemies.

re: #32 EC Marm

No, that wont switch 'em.

The fact that the supers should be able to see that Obama couldn't win the big ticket states other than his home state of Illinois should have been a warning that he simply can't win those traditionally blue states.

He's relying on changing the map around, and there's no reason to believe that will happen.

It will be interesting to see who both parties choose as running mates. Watch for the geographical/demographic picks, and not necessarily those that are on the tip of the tongue.

I've been a neo-con since 2001. I've given often and lately to John McCain.

But there's a goofy Democrat inside me that smiles when I think about Bill Clinton.

If McCain (or the Obamessiah) picked the Hildabeast as his running mate, I'd give them 10 months before something mysteriously happened to them that they'd have to leave office.

re: #41 yochanan

at least Sen. Joe Lieberman is a 'good American' would love to see him start a pro american centerist party.

i would like him to be the v.p. on John McCain's ticket but it isn't going to happen.

Joe would be a bad choice because it would be two old men vs. the young guy.

God help America

Let's see...
John BilHill?

Yikes!

re: #41 yochanan

Lieberman is pushing the asinine global warming bill through the Senate and it would be nothing more than a tax and spend boondoggle that will strangle the economy without changing emissions one iota.

That he is strong on Israel and the WoT shouldn't blind you to the fact that he's still a liberal at heart and caucuses with the Democrats most of the time.

Change

Change is not always a good thing.

re: #48 right_wing2

If McCain (or the Obamessiah) picked the Hildabeast as his running mate, I'd give them 10 months before something mysteriously happened to them that they'd have to leave office.

...more than likely in a body bag.

re: #37 zombie

NOOOOOOOOOOO! ! ! ! ! !

If that happens I'll have to move to...

...move to...

....

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO! ! ! ! !

Lol.

The king's armspan/thumb measurements were good enough for my mom.
The king's armspan/thumb measurements are good enough for me.

I even have a yardstick that is a yard on both sides. :D

re: #53 Maximu§

Change

Change is not always a good thing.

Now that is something I can beleive in!

re: #23 zombie

The question is:

Is O + H better or worse for the Dems than H + O ?

My opinion:

Hillary as pres and O as VP would enable the Dems to win the general election.

BUT...

O as pres and Hillary as VP is the worst of both worlds and will guarantee their defeat.

O as pres and Hillary as VP makes them almost unbeatable, methinks. Women who are outraged over Hillary's treatment would be placated, instead of voting for McCain in protest.

re: #26 song_and_dance_man

strong in the war on terror and it would piss off the Muslims to boot.

The statement of the day

NASA Distorted Global-Warming Studies

WASHINGTON — NASA's press office "marginalized or mischaracterized" studies on global warming between 2004 and 2006, the agency's own internal watchdog concluded.

In a report released Monday, NASA's inspector general office called it "inappropriate political interference" by political appointees in the press office.

And both candidates want to make major policy decisions based on CARP!

re: #46 lawhawk

No, that wont switch 'em.

I trust your opinion. In that case, I would imagine the Hillary supporters would enact revenge in November by voting for McCain. It's a lose-lose for Obama. I'm not sure he realizes that yet.

Hi guys. I almost killed myself an hour ago -- careening down a ski slope on my mountain bike with no helmut. Stupid me. I'm still shaking.

So what are we talking about?

Wasn't today incredible? She concedes ... she doesn't concede. She's veep ... she's not veep. So much happened.

Can we have a new thread. I am getting a headache thinking about it.

re: #47 Plato

But there's a goofy Democrat inside me that smiles when I think about Bill Clinton.

Thats called your Inner Child....the part of us that never wants to grow up.

re: #36 Tigger2005

I'm stunned by the reation I see to Obama from some people I other wise admire & respect. The man is so obviously A) a hard leftist, B) a liar and C) and empty suit... I can't understand how some people can't see that.

But then I remember ALL politics is psychological. No rational argument will ever convince somebody for or against a political candidate. You "friend" is emotionally committed to Obama. Only an even more powerful emotional reaction will open his eyes. Unfortunately, John McCain is not going to deliver that for the true believers. Our only hope is that he can convince enough of the undecided to win the election.

If McCain picking Hillary is the only way to keep Obama out of the White House, then pick away--until it bleeds.

But it will never happen. Hillary wants to run again someday, and serving a republican as VP would make her lose her democrat street cred.

re: #62 hermeneutics

Hi guys. I almost killed myself an hour ago -- careening down a ski slope on my mountain bike with no helmut. Stupid me. I'm still shaking.

So what are we talking about?

Wasn't today incredible? She concedes ... she doesn't concede. She's veep ... she's not veep. So much happened.

...or didn't happen!

Glad you're okay.

you can take the politician out of Chicago, but you can't take the Chicago out of the politician.

Obama's fitting running mate would be a dead guy. Then again, he has the dead vote wrapped up.

re: #49 Globular Cluster
re: #41 yochanan

at least Sen. Joe Lieberman is a 'good American' would love to see him start a pro american centerist party.

i would like him to be the v.p. on John McCain's ticket but it isn't going to happen.

Joe would be a bad choice because it would be two old men vs. the young guy.

Uh, Senator Lieberman is a Liberal. Just felt that should be mentioned. Sorry to interrupt.

re: #36 Tigger2005

Obama's views are contrary to reality. Period.

re: #66 Wily

If McCain picking Hillary is the only way to keep Obama out of the White House, then pick away--until it bleeds.

I think it would actually be a good tactical choice.

An Obama presidency would turn American into a true kakistocracy

My God. Even silky pony would have been a better candidate, and I cannot stand him.

Charles, please don't use the words "joint" and "Bill" in the same sentence.

re: #67 livefreeor die

Thank you. I'm just too old for these childish acts.

Jindal is introducing McCain....now THAT would be nice.

re: #70 The Other Les

Obama's views are contrary to reality. Period.

Rotating Title !

I really hope Hillary runs as an Indy. That would totally F the Dems.

My Obamanation:

President Obama
Vice Clinton

Secretary of State McCain
Secretary of Defense Rosie O'Donnell
SCOTUS Bubba
etc

re: #45 Dartmouth

On a more serious note, it

On a more serious note, it means more taxes, welfare, dependency, and whole truckload of victories for America's enemies.

Punitive taxation of anyone living in a manner that is better than a caveman.

re: #49 Globular Cluster

Joe would be a bad choice because it would be two old men vs. the young guy.

well i am a older guy (bald white haired) and i don't trust whippersnappers.

re: #54 livefreeor die

That's a possibility, too.

Obama / Carter 08 !

re: #39 chicagodudewhotrades

I still think 'Maverick' will pick Mike Steele as his veep. I don't see Shrill on his ticket.

I voted for Steele. Would do it again. He's got a terrific story. He never bought the age old victimhood line, thus he's considered a sellout. It's the black communities loss.

McCain speaking right now from Louisiana on MSNBC.

re: #15 WrathofG-d

I'll vote for Obama if someone can explain to me what "Change We Can Believe In" actually means.

Its really quite simple, you see, when he gets done taxing the priviledged few (us) all the average person will have left is change. and with that our economy will tank and you will be believing that your pennies will be your last.

re: #69 The Shadow Do

re: #41 yochanan

Uh, Senator Lieberman is a Liberal. Just felt that should be mentioned. Sorry to interrupt.

Old school liberal. Strong military, pro-Iraq and troops, pro-Israel. He is also an Orthodox Jew, which makes him conservative in many respects by that simple virtue (faith, tradition, etc.).

re: #78 Sizzlack

I really hope Hillary runs as an Indy. That would totally F the Dems.

I don't see that happening.

re: #86 JustMyView

McCain speaking right now from Louisiana on MSNBC.

ON FOX

re: #63 Nevergiveup

Can we have a new thread. I am getting a headache thinking about it.

me too.

re: #5 Carridine

Obama and Clinton futures on Rasmussen markets jumped all over the place today. Made some virtual money.

re: #82 yochanan

well i am a older guy (bald white haired) and i don't trust whippersnappers.

Yeah, but the whippersnappers might be turned off by some old crotchety codgers.

re: #82 yochanan

well i am a older guy (bald white haired) and i don't trust whippersnappers.

NO WHIPPERSNAPPERS! NO WHIPPERSNAPPERS! NO WHIPPERSNAPPERS! NO WHIPPERSNAPPERS! NO WHIPPERSNAPPERS! NO WHIPPERSNAPPERS!

re: #15 WrathofG-d

I'll vote for Obama if someone can explain to me what "Change We Can Believe In" actually means.

[Link: article.nationalreview.com...]

He's the best at explaining it I have found.

Hewitt was talking to Mike Allen of The Politico this afternoon, about Dick Gephardt being Obama's veep choice.

re: #69 The Shadow Do

re: #41 yochanan

Uh, Senator Lieberman is a Liberal. Just felt that should be mentioned. Sorry to interrupt.

he might be a 'old school' liberal like scoop jackson not a socialist like obama

re: #74 Ward Cleaver

Charles, please don't use the words "joint" and "Bill" in the same sentence.

Inhale!

It may sound a little paranoid of me but I gotta say almost anything is better than Obama. I think the guy is real real real bad, evil almost. If it was a McCain/Clinton ticket that beat him I really wouldn't care. That being said, I don't think he'll take Clinton, that's just a (bad) dream. BUT I do think he'll go more center than right on his choice. If Clinton would've won the nomination, he'd have gone conservative.

re: #64 Maximu�

But there's a goofy Democrat inside me that smiles when I think about Bill Clinton.

Thats called your Inner Child....the part of us that never wants to grow up.

re: #99 yochanan

You mean it's the part that put up the playboy bunnie logo as an icon?

re: #84 LeftJustAintRight

Isn't that redundant?

re: #100 The Other Les

Inhale!

Drink !

OOPS!
[Link: video.google.com...]

Wrong link!
This is the best at explaining Obama.

re: #63 Nevergiveup

Can we have a new thread. I am getting a headache thinking about it.

Something light, like a car swarm thread.

re: #94 Catttt

I'm registered on that trading site too. I should see where my positions stand.

McCain speaking in New Orleans. Praising Hillary

he plans to reform everything - disaster relief, military and intelligence services.

A few trivial points the MSM keeps forgetting to mention...
The stupordelegates are not "committed" (though, in a different sense perhaps they should be) until they are actually cast at the convention. just like the rest of the delegates...
Oh... and the state delegates can also be changed at the convention as well... (this is part of why the swimmer went all the way in his losing bid vs Carter)
Without the stupordelegates they are only 124 points between them, less than that* if the DNC's ethics committee (oxymoron perhaps, but it's what they call it) overturns the ruling and adds in all of Florida/Michigan without giving Obamasama "extra" delegates and taking away those he did not earn...
Although I'm not impressed at all with him, he is at least smart enough to know his heartbeat should not be between the Clintons and her sitting in the Presidency... If he's not that smart and offers her second place we'll have either McCain or another Clinton as POTUS... If he is that smart and offers VP to someone else then it'll be a delegate fight at the convention and quite interesting to see...

*if not a lead change actually...

re: #47 Plato

I've been a neo-con since 2001. I've given often and lately to John McCain.

But there's a goofy Democrat inside me that smiles when I think about Bill Clinton.

you sure that's not just gas?

re: #65 Kenneth

... ALL politics is psychological. No rational argument will ever convince somebody for or against a political candidate. You "friend" is emotionally committed to Obama. Only an even more powerful emotional reaction will open his eyes. Unfortunately, John McCain is not going to deliver that for the true believers. Our only hope is that he can convince enough of the undecided to win the election.

Good point. I tend to think people respond to reasoned argument, but that's not the case, is it? People intuit at a gut-level. I can see why Obama attracts leftists -- he's smooth and obfuscating, like them.

Who would McCain attract?
Vets and their families and other patriotic people.
Retired Americans (?) but the AARP always tries to get retirees to vote D.
Republican base
?

re: #99 yochanan

People should understand the difference between "liberalism" and "socialism", but they are frequently confused.

re: #34 lawhawk

And now for something of real substance. I think I'm ready to roll out my revised blog. 3 columns... a few new toys, though nothing in comparison to what Charles has going. Just needed to revamp it with more real estate space available for information.

Suggestions:

The header is pale writing on a pale background -- too hard to read.

Same thing applies to the sidebar somewhat, but to a lesser degree.

You need a greater contract between the text and the background in those places.

Government often makes matters worse

re: #88 Globular Cluster

Old school liberal. Strong military, pro-Iraq and troops, pro-Israel. He is also an Orthodox Jew, which makes him conservative in many respects by that simple virtue (faith, tradition, etc.).

Abortion. Taxes. Expansion of Government. Etc. How does that abortion thing wash with Orthodoxy? Serious question, I don't know but it does seem inconsistent on the face of it.

re: #42 anotherindyfilmguy

At least that's been digested... such an action wouldn't even warrant being called halfbaked...

lol

re: #103 right_wing2

Isn't that redundant?

It is the Democrats
Redundant and oxymoron are One in the same

re: #98 Ward Cleaver

Hewitt was talking to Mike Allen of The Politico this afternoon, about Dick Gephardt being Obama's veep choice.

Is he still breathing?
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Guess so.

He's as white as they come, ain't he?

Also struck me as dumber than your average congresscritter.

Steele or Sarah Palin for Veep

McCain : REthink - reform, reinvent

re: #94 Catttt

Obama and Clinton futures on Rasmussen markets jumped all over the place today. Made some virtual money.

Now you can pay your doubled virtual capital gains tax.
a reality under the Messiah.

Meanwhile in Iran today, Obama's 'sure I'd meet with him' first penciled-in appointment announces yet again that' Israel is about to disappear like the slime it is '[sic].
McCain had better grab onto this and not screw it up.......

Charles, I think you might be right. I have thought all along that if McCain had a savvy, capable, tough, no nonsense woman runningmate, he'd be tough to beat.

However I have been universally, verbally, flogged for insinuating that Rice might be that woman (personally I don't like her stand on MANY MANY issues, especially Israel, but I have problems with McCain, too.)

However, Hillary might be a possibility. That said, I am not a proponent of Hillary in the least. Before any of you slap me, re-read those 3 words "in the least."

Several posters said that something mysterious would exit the POTUS if Hillary were VP (i.e. a bodybag). That wouldn't surprise me either.

But if we get two old guys up there campaigning as Pres/VP, we are SUNK.

I think it was important for Mitt to move to California, so he's not seen as much as a North easterner