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Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:17:00 am PDT

Just because everything is different doesn’t mean anything has changed.

Irene Peter

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1 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 3:18:46am

Gooooood Moooorning LGF.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. The Who.

2 BignJames  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 3:18:57am

Hmmmm.....which of these is not like the others?

3 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 3:20:10am

Morning BignJames. Slow day to day.

4 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 3:20:41am
Just because everything is different doesn’t mean anything has changed.

Exactly!

5 BignJames  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 3:21:35am

Hiya, BC.....only here for a few more minutes myself.

6 laZardo  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 3:22:12am

re: #1 BlueCanuck

/puts on sunglasses

/YYYYYYYEEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHH

7 Fredlike  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 3:23:26am

Morning All

I guess I missed the fruit cups.

8 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 3:23:45am

re: #6 laZardo

Not my first one. :)

/think I have had a couple.

9 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 3:25:03am

re: #7 Fredlike

I think there may be a few on the buffet left. littleoldlady could teach an army cook about quantity.

/not to mention quality.

10 rightside  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 3:25:40am

Yay! new morning thread freshness!

Morning Lizardia

11 Neo Con since 9-11  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 3:26:34am

Repost
Netflix alert-I can't believe I'm saying this but I'm just finishing watching a Woody Harrelson movie that is really good. It's a documentary called Nanking about the Japanese massacre there and an American surgeon and group of missionaries that tried to stop it.

12 laZardo  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 3:31:10am

Gotta head home from internship work. I leave you with a spinoff link.

/later guise

13 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 3:31:41am

Manishma and Shalom from Arad. Nice and hot afternoon here and it feels great to be alive!

14 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 3:32:09am

Night laZardo see you tomorrow.

15 JamesTKirk  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 3:35:23am

*yawn*

But ... but ... but ... Change! And Hope! And PROGRESS!

16 Egfrow  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 3:37:55am

Prophet or Ultra-rationally aware of the power of Irrationality.

From 1959: Compare to what's going on now!

17 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 3:38:38am

re: #15 JamesTKirk

*yawn*

But ... but ... but ... Change! And Hope! And PROGRESS!

The only change I want is from a cashier. Hope is what springs eternal in the breast of men, not a political campaign. Progress is what I see when I make improvments in my life. Anything else is just pure snake oil and flim flam.

18 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 3:41:48am

*YAWN*

Hey kids. Tornado watch here. OOOOh, scary. Blah Blah Blah. They're so full of crap.

Oh, wait! I hear a train coming up the street, let me go wave to the engineer.

19 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 3:44:43am

Looks like India might just start to reduce their oil consumption:

India to raise fuel prices

Interesting thing here is that India subsidizes fuel heavily, so Indian consumers haven't seen the runup in prices that we have seen and thereby haven't had much in the way of a disincentive for higher consumption.

We should all hope that Asian demand growth for oil slows a bit so that prices drop. Until then they are unlikely to.

20 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 3:45:26am

re: #18 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nope. Watch is lifted. We did have a touchdown last night. In Roanoke VA, tornados are very very rare. I can remember two touchdowns in the [deleted] years I have lived here.

21 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 3:47:19am

re: #15 JamesTKirk

*yawn*

But ... but ... but ... Change! And Hope! And PROGRESS!

Don't forget that we will be able to tell our grandchildren that last night was the *moment* that the seas stopped rising and the earth started to cool.

Moses just parted a sea : Obama is cooling down ALL of the oceans.

22 CIA Reject  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 3:59:25am

'Morning everybody! Has Hillary quit yet?

/I didn't think so...

23 loflyer  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 4:08:09am

Ayn Rand forever!

24 yesandno  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 4:09:52am
Just because everything is different doesn’t mean anything has changed.

— Irene Peter

Likewise,
Just because something is changed doesn't make it different.


Totalitarianism by any other name wouldn't smell any less.

25 godfrey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 4:15:19am

Good morning, lizards. I know I'm late to the topic, but this fining of Brigitte Bardot for expressing her disgust of Muslim practices is, to say the least, ominous. The fine had a 15,000 euro price tag.

So what better way than to start the morning by throwing up a little in your mouth at this absurd, pusillanimous, dying-by-degrees little episode in Eurabian history?

26 tapeworm  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 4:15:28am

HOPE - CHANGE - MALAISE

27 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 4:20:49am

Charles is going to be most amused to see that AP cheerleader Nedra Pickler has basically anointed golden boy as Barack 'Icarus' Obama.

He truly is the anointed one, having now sprouted wings.

We have five months of shameless fawning ahead. Think the media idolatry has been bad so far? We haven't seen anything yet.

28 Bosch Fawstin  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 4:21:58am

Good morning, all.
Do you ever feel like Howard Beale?
Wetwork.

29 loflyer  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 4:22:11am

re: #25 godfrey

Good morning, lizards. I know I'm late to the topic, but this fining of Brigitte Bardot for expressing her disgust of Muslim practices is, to say the least, ominous. The fine had a 15,000 euro price tag.

So what better way than to start the morning by throwing up a little in your mouth at this absurd, pusillanimous, dying-by-degrees little episode in Eurabian history?

Lets see Brigitte publishes her disgust of Islamic practices, while french Islamists publishes fatwas demanding death to infidel cartoonists and authors. Guess who got the fine, Brigitte of course!

30 loflyer  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 4:23:58am

Something for Ayn Rand, Goldfinger....

31 madisonsfriend  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 4:24:48am

re: #29 loflyer

Well, if something like that was equally applied, it would be okay. But it seems like it only goes one way. Car-be-que anyone?

32 CIA Reject  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 4:25:08am

re: #29 loflyer

Lets see Brigitte publishes her disgust of Islamic practices, while french Islamists publishes fatwas demanding death to infidel cartoonists and authors. Guess who got the fine, Brigitte of course!

See? If she'd just issued death threats back there wouldn't have been any problem!

/Sheesh!

33 DistantThunder  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 4:26:56am

They threw water on the Wicked Witch, and stared slack-jawed when Hlllary didn't melt.

Obama to his posse: Anyone got another bright idea? Anyone....?

34 madisonsfriend  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 4:27:49am

re: #30 loflyer

Something for Ayn Rand, Goldfinger....

That hair and those boots/shoes- I want those shoes!

35 madisonsfriend  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 4:28:46am

re: #33 DistantThunder

On the news, they mentioned a column that started "and he thought a little thing like winning would stop her"

36 DistantThunder  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 4:28:47am

re: #20 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nope. Watch is lifted. We did have a touchdown last night. In Roanoke VA, tornados are very very rare. I can remember two touchdowns in the [deleted] years I have lived here.

My daughter just moved from lexington, VA last month.

37 Render  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 4:30:25am

re: #25 godfrey

Between her PETA connections and her neo-nazi FN connections I'm finding it more than a little difficult to scrape up even a modicum of concern for Bardot.

Some peoples speech needs to be stifled and the French are just the kind of folks to do the stifling.

FIRE!,
R

38 loflyer  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 4:31:42am

re: #34 madisonsfriend

That hair and those boots/shoes- I want those shoes!

They look ridiculous but they put on a heck of show. It was pouring rain when they performed the number!

39 rightside  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 4:37:50am

re: #27 JammieWearingFool

I couldn't agree more. They will all fight over the chance to kneel before him, unzip, and [redacted] him.

40 loflyer  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 4:38:06am

re: #37 Render

I remember her from the early 60's when she was in her prime, and I didn't know about girls. I only knew she didn't wear much and couldn't act. The Euro's go to far in censoring speech on issues that many Euro's share the same views on. You get what you pay for, and that price is too high for me....

41 Irish Rose  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 4:38:52am

Good morning, lizards.

I think.

42 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 4:39:55am

re: #41 Irish Rose

It's a great mornin' rose. How you?

43 steveoh  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 4:40:43am

So apropos Charles. Especially given this day of "Change".

I wonder if Obama will give us 99 cents for every extra tax dollar we give him after his failed policies are played out?

44 loflyer  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 4:40:45am

Best and worse of Aviation

Check out the cute blonde driving the A/C in the middle of the clip. Impressive, very impressive!

45 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 4:41:59am
46 Irish Rose  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 4:42:37am

re: #42 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It's a great mornin' rose. How you?

A busy workday today and not feeling so hot.

Had some chocolate ice cream last night... gave me serious indigestion, and I lost nearly a whole night of sleep.

Ugh.

47 steveoh  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 4:42:38am

re: #43 steveoh

So apropos Charles. Especially given this day of "Change".

I wonder if Obama will give us 99 cents for every extra tax dollar we give him after his failed policies are played out?

And...of course not just look at where Jimmah Carter is today.

48 WayDownSouthInBama  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 4:44:06am
Just because everything is different doesn’t mean anything has changed.

Why is it,when I read that quote,that the first two words that came to mind were "Obama",and "Carter"?

49 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 4:44:17am

re: #39 rightside

I couldn't agree more. They will all fight over the chance to kneel before him, unzip, and [redacted] him.

It's embarrassing. As if they're writing for Tiger Beat magazine. You'd be laughed out of journalism 101 with junk like that.

50 Widow'smight  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 4:46:27am

re: #45 buzzsawmonkey

Don't you eva sleep, or did you have someone take over for you last night?

51 Render  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 4:46:28am

re: #44 loflyer

Svetlana Kapanina.

SMOKIN,
R

52 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 4:46:36am

Time for me to log off folks. have your selves a great day, and see you on the next threads.

53 rightside  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 4:47:13am

re: #45 buzzsawmonkey

LOL, great one! upding.

re: #49 JammieWearingFool

Too bad they're not journalists.

54 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 4:47:49am

Mornin' all. That picture on the previous thread is funny. Unlike the obamagasm that crowd of kool aid drinkers had last night. And, I think Bama hit it on the head. Two men who had no business being in or near the WH. At least Jimmuh had been a governor.

55 loflyer  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 4:48:11am

re: #49 JammieWearingFool

It's embarrassing. As if they're writing for Tiger Beat magazine. You'd be laughed out of journalism 101 with junk like that.

Don't count on it! With an internship at the ACLU or the UN/human rights commission in your resume, you will have no trouble finding employment in the MSM.

56 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 4:48:39am
57 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 4:50:15am

re: #56 buzzsawmonkey
Heh. You get all the atta boys and all the oh shits.

58 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 4:52:20am
59 Widow'smight  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 4:53:43am

re: #56 buzzsawmonkey

So was I, beginning of the month. Later in the month, I'll be asking for the folks in Manhattan to send me something. I'm getting too old for this.

60 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 4:54:01am

re: #58 buzzsawmonkey
Mwahaha! Damn Charlie Crist is on Fox again. I swear Murdoch knows something.

61 loflyer  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 4:55:26am

BBL, guys! Classic Miami Vice

62 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 4:55:57am

BTW, Steveoh put a very nicely thought-out post at 499 about Ma Sheehan, IMHO.

63 madisonsfriend  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 4:57:13am

re: #49 JammieWearingFool

Tiger Beat- Tiger Beat- I luv Tiger Beat! Peter Blair Dennis Bernard Noone, The Monkees, The Dave Clark Five. They are all so groovy.
(I thought Tiger Beat was a magazine of the 60's- it isn't still around, is it? Does it still have stories about Herman's Hermits and the Monkees and the Fab Four and Chad and Jeremy?)

64 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 4:59:04am

re: #63 madisonsfriend

Did you hear that awful news about Buddy Holly?

65 Irish Rose  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:01:28am

Gas price is down to 3.93 per gallon overnight... woo f*ing hoo.

I'm telling you, Congress needs to do something about the exhorbitant gas prices RIGHT NOW. If they don't get a grip on it - and soon - the American people are going to start responding with widespread violence (much of it aimed at public officials) instead of the standard bitching/moaning and moonlight gas thievery.

The guys that I really feel sorry for are the truckers, who have to fill up on diesel to earn a living... oi.

66 DistantThunder  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:01:48am

I left the thread last night at 12:36pm ET to go back to cleaning my carpets - so much easier when all the kids aren't running through the house. My son, 19, rouses himself to walk outside and call his girlfriend so he can get cell phone service.

Suddenly, some teen age punk drove by, got out of his Mustang, started calling my son names, and said, "You thought you'd get away with this Brett, (not my son's name)"more profanity - all the while slashing my son on his arm with some sharp object.

My son, 6'2", comes running in the house significant blood running down his arm telling me to call the police. Said he'd never seen this kid, 5'6" before in his life. Couldn't see that he had a knife. We got the bleeding under control and I did some first aid.

So we had NJ finest state police - one guy was a jerk - to investigate this bizarre attack. Of course they asked if it was some drug deal - my son is getting ready to go into the airforce and told them absolutely not. Even volunteer a drug test. They said no.

Very odd occurrence in our quaint secluded town in the Wharton forest in south Jersey.

67 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:03:20am

Good morning -- hot one coming up today in Chambodia. 93 degrees for the high. Discussion "As You Like It" today in seminar. Before that, though, I have to go to the doctor for a check up and to make sure that my guts are all healed after my surgery.

How's everyone this morning?

68 DistantThunder  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:03:46am

re: #60 pingjockey

Mwahaha! Damn Charlie Crist is on Fox again. I swear Murdoch knows something.

Not Crist - please tell me John won't make this mistake.

69 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:03:59am

re: #66 DistantThunder

Mistaken identity? Girlfriend issues?

70 looking closely  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:04:29am

The press is full of Hilary's obituaries already.

Guess they've bought into the "Obama won" story, long before the votes have been tallied.

Isn't this the exact situation that led to the problems in 2000? Though of course there it was the press shilling for Gore early.

71 CIA Reject  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:04:33am

re: #62 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

BTW, Steveoh put a very nicely thought-out post at 499 about Ma Sheehan, IMHO.

Is Ma Sheehan still running against Blinky?

72 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:05:05am

re: #66 DistantThunder
Good Lord! Is he okay? We've had some disturbing incidences here. The Greater Wenatchee Valley area only has 40k or so population and it is becoming a weekly thing with some kids under 15 being told or asked to get into a vehicle with persons unknown.

73 Irish Rose  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:05:50am

re: #66 DistantThunder

Geeze, DT, is your son OK?
Do you have a lot of gang activity in your area? Sounds like a hit gone wrong to me.

Did he get a physical description of the perp, or a plate number on the vehicle?

74 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:06:02am

re: #67 Lucius Septimius
Pretty fair here. You feeling okay?

75 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:07:31am

re: #66 DistantThunder

I left the thread last night at 12:36pm ET to go back to cleaning my carpets - so much easier when all the kids aren't running through the house. My son, 19, rouses himself to walk outside and call his girlfriend so he can get cell phone service.

Suddenly, some teen age punk drove by, got out of his Mustang, started calling my son names, and said, "You thought you'd get away with this Brett, (not my son's name)"more profanity - all the while slashing my son on his arm with some sharp object.

My son, 6'2", comes running in the house significant blood running down his arm telling me to call the police. Said he'd never seen this kid, 5'6" before in his life. Couldn't see that he had a knife. We got the bleeding under control and I did some first aid.

So we had NJ finest state police - one guy was a jerk - to investigate this bizarre attack. Of course they asked if it was some drug deal - my son is getting ready to go into the airforce and told them absolutely not. Even volunteer a drug test. They said no.

Very odd occurrence in our quaint secluded town in the Wharton forest in south Jersey.

I'm so thankful it wasn't even worse. What a horrible, frightening experience.

Good morning, Lizards.

76 DistantThunder  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:07:42am

re: #69 Lucius Septimius

Mistaken identity? Girlfriend issues?

Definitely mistaken identity - girlfriend, Hmmmmm, the kid was short and fat - but maybe. The irony, is that Mr. DT was on his way home from Michigan, have done training for a law enforcement group, and bringing home his friend, who happens to have been a bounty hunter for 10 years.

It should be an interesting few days.

77 madisonsfriend  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:07:49am

re: #64 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Did you hear that awful news about Buddy Holly?

The day the music died!

78 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:08:39am

re: #74 pingjockey

Reasonably good, but it's only eight o'clock. I'm not looking forward to the doctor.

79 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:09:21am

re: #76 DistantThunder

Definitely mistaken identity - girlfriend, Hmmmmm, the kid was short and fat - but maybe. The irony, is that Mr. DT was on his way home from Michigan, have done training for a law enforcement group, and bringing home his friend, who happens to have been a bounty hunter for 10 years.

It should be an interesting few days.

Interesting is one word ... just hope he's ok.

When does he report for duty?

80 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:09:35am

re: #63 madisonsfriend

Tiger Beat- Tiger Beat- I luv Tiger Beat! Peter Blair Dennis Bernard Noone, The Monkees, The Dave Clark Five. They are all so groovy.
(I thought Tiger Beat was a magazine of the 60's- it isn't still around, is it? Does it still have stories about Herman's Hermits and the Monkees and the Fab Four and Chad and Jeremy?)

I have no idea. I just use that name as symbol of teeny-bopper idolatry.

Last I saw it was at the end of Stripes when they had John Candy on the cover.

81 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:09:44am

re: #78 Lucius Septimius

Reasonably good, but it's only eight o'clock. I'm not looking forward to the doctor.

I hope all is well or getting better.

{Lucius Septimus}

82 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:10:04am

re: #75 goddessoftheclassroom

Morning goddess, are you done with the school year? Mine are done next week. But, since they didn't want to cooperate with the old man 2 of them are going to summer school for a month for reading! Mwahaha!

83 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:10:09am

From yesterday's BOTW (last item)

The Associated Press reports from Crow Agency, Mont., on one of the final campaign events of the 2008 primary season:

The purification ceremony isn't an everyday ritual of U.S. presidential politics.

The newly named Awe Kooda Bilaxpak Kuuxshish--better known as Barack Obama--faced east, the symbolic source of new life. His adopted Crow father, Hartford Black Eagle, prayed over him.

Afterward, they walked arm-in-arm with Black Eagle's wife, Mary, to a podium, where Obama promised to live up to the meaning of his new name: "One Who Helps People Throughout the Land."

No doubt the Republican Attack Machine will insist on calling him Awe Kooda Bilaxpak Hussein Kuuxshish.

snark, snark.

84 DistantThunder  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:10:40am

re: #72 pingjockey

Good Lord! Is he okay? We've had some disturbing incidences here. The Greater Wenatchee Valley area only has 40k or so population and it is becoming a weekly thing with some kids under 15 being told or asked to get into a vehicle with persons unknown.

Yeah, the cops thought that it was just like finger nail slashes, but the 5 cuts were very clean, and it was way too much blood for finger nails - there was blood all over my sink. So I have to check today to make sure his tetanus is up to date.

Sunday we had son, age 9, step on a rusty nail at a friend's, so we are on 10 days of antibiotics with that -

Always happens that Mr. DT is conveniently out of town for the drama.

85 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:11:01am

re: #81 goddessoftheclassroom

Everything's pretty much on hold at the moment -- not really any better, but no worse either. Or at least I think.

86 madisonsfriend  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:11:02am

re: #78 Lucius Septimius

Reasonably good, but it's only eight o'clock. I'm not looking forward to the doctor.

I hope it goes well and you continue to get better.

87 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:11:16am

re: #78 Lucius Septimius
Think positive thoughts man! Channeling Donald Southerland in Kellys Heroes.

88 DistantThunder  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:12:07am

re: #79 Lucius Septimius

Interesting is one word ... just hope he's ok.

When does he report for duty?

He's getting some health things cleared up first. I had just picked him up from another friend's house who returned Sat from Afghanistan. He said it is really, really boring in A-stan - they mostly patrol - nothing much happening.

89 snopercod  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:12:18am

re: #45 buzzsawmonkey

Funny, but "fellate" isn't in my 1960 Webster's New World Dictionary. Affricate is in there, though.

90 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:12:33am

re: #87 pingjockey

LOL! I love that movie.

He was apparently horribly sick with a fever throughout that whole movie.

91 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:13:25am

re: #84 DistantThunder
That was happening with me for a while, go out of town, the fridge died, next trip the dog almost died. Got so bad I was scared to go over an hour away from the house!

92 DistantThunder  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:14:46am

re: #91 pingjockey

That was happening with me for a while, go out of town, the fridge died, next trip the dog almost died. Got so bad I was scared to go over an hour away from the house!

It's got to be some cosmic law that the bad stuff happens when you're down by one - like gravity.

93 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:14:47am

re: #90 Lucius Septimius
Really. Saw a funny one the other night. Second Hand Lions. Michael Caine trying to talk with a Texas accent was a hoot.

94 Irish Rose  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:15:32am

Sorry lizards... very little time to visit this morning.
I have to get ready for work.

/right after I have my second helping of cranky flakes

95 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:16:21am

re: #92 DistantThunder
Yep. The better half was getting paranoid. Especially if I was off to Portland or someplace here in Wa. state that was way out in the boonies.

96 CIA Reject  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:17:11am

re: #33 DistantThunder

They threw water on the Wicked Witch, and stared slack-jawed when Hlllary didn't melt.

Obama to his posse: Anyone got another bright idea? Anyone....?

LOL!

97 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:17:29am

re: #82 pingjockey

Morning goddess, are you done with the school year? Mine are done next week. But, since they didn't want to cooperate with the old man 2 of them are going to summer school for a month for reading! Mwahaha!

The school year has finished, but I have to finish moving to a new class room.

I got a call from an angry parent who was "trying to understand how her son failed." I patiently went over EVERYTHING with her, including how I passed him last quarter because he started working harder but his average was three percentage points under the minimum pass grade. Anyway, my patience evaporated when she said, "Maybe if he got to work work with computers instead of just sitting at a desk in your class the whole period..."

I was white-hot furious. I told her that we acted out Romeo and Juliet, but her son CHOSE to do nothing but sit in his seat. I closed the discussion at that point.

I can take being called strict, old-fashioned, demanding, even sarcastic, but I will not stand for being called boring,

98 RedPepper  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:18:12am
Just because everything is different doesn’t mean anything has changed.

Interesting quote.
Does anone have any idea who Irene Peter is?
And before you say, "Do you know how to Google" ... try it yourself!

99 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:18:45am

Even the talking heads on Fox keep talking about a obamarama/beast ticket. I don't think that is gonna happen. Neither of them want to share the spotlight with anyone.

100 CIA Reject  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:20:22am

re: #99 pingjockey

Even the talking heads on Fox keep talking about a obamarama/beast ticket. I don't think that is gonna happen. Neither of them want to share the spotlight with anyone.

I think BO would be found dead at the bottom of a staircase if he ran on such a ticket- and I think he knows that...

101 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:21:14am

re: #97 goddessoftheclassroom
Hehe! I like old fashioned, strict teachers. I like that you got upset being called boring. I taught navy electronics for three years and the biggest challenge, I thought anyway, was keeping their attention. Especially after lunch!

102 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:21:15am

re: #95 pingjockey

Yep. The better half was getting paranoid. Especially if I was off to Portland or someplace here in Wa. state that was way out in the boonies.

Morning ping...ROTFLMAO.... All of Washington State is way out in the boonies..........

103 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:22:30am

re: #102 doriangrey
Ha! Not as bad as going to ...Jamul.

104 DistantThunder  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:23:32am

re: #100 CIA Reject

I think BO would be found dead at the bottom of a staircase if he ran on such a ticket- and I think he knows that...

..and sprawled with limbs at grotesquely skewed angles.

105 rightside  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:24:00am

re: #33 DistantThunder

Those toes have not curled up and slid under the house yet!

106 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:24:29am

re: #104 DistantThunder
Nah, that is too obvious. The beast will get a voodoo doll!

107 DistantThunder  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:25:11am

re: #105 rightside

Those toes have not curled up and slid under the house yet!

I won't even believe it when I read it in the NYT's - only when it's officially here at LGF.

108 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:25:28am

Church of England accused of censoring debate on Islam

A meeting of the Church's "parliament" was due to discuss whether clergy should be doing more to convert British Muslims to Christianity.

The sensitive issue was highlighted last week by a senior bishop who accused Church leaders of failing to reach out to other faiths, and warned that radical Islam is filling a gap in society caused by the decline of traditional Christian values.

But now the Church has put off the debate on recruiting Muslims until next February at the earliest and will discuss the promotion of churches as tourist attractions instead.


Heh.

109 CIA Reject  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:25:31am

re: #104 DistantThunder

..and sprawled with limbs at grotesquely skewed angles.

"D*mndest case 'a suicide I ever did see..."

/Sheriff Billy-Bob.

110 rightside  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:26:01am

Morning dorian

111 DistantThunder  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:26:02am

Obama, HIllary, Bill and the Democrats - all deserve each other.

112 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:27:34am

re: #93 pingjockey

I liked that movie, especially how they'd shoot from the front porch to try and scare away the salesman, who persisted anyhow.

113 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:28:03am

re: #110 rightside

Morning dorian

Good morning rightside............

114 Big Steve  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:28:36am

So is this election going to be the biggest no brainer or what. Don't care if it is the Obama and Mama ticket, McCain would have to drop F- bombs to lose this thing.

115 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:28:46am

re: #101 pingjockey

Hehe! I like old fashioned, strict teachers. I like that you got upset being called boring. I taught navy electronics for three years and the biggest challenge, I thought anyway, was keeping their attention. Especially after lunch!

{pingjockey}

One of the best moments of the year is reading what my students write in my yearbook. The comment that brought tears to my eyes was from a girl who wrote, "You made me fall in love with English."

116 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:28:56am

re: #108 Killgore Trout

Man that conversion should be their main job at this point.

That, and bringing nominal Christians back.

117 DistantThunder  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:28:58am

re: #109 CIA Reject

"D*mndest case 'a suicide I ever did see..."

/Sheriff Billy-Bob.

Gotta get the teeth (Mr DT's friend started this business of fake gross teeth when he graduated from dental school - made millions.)

They're called - Billy-Bob teeth or (British teeth - either way.)

Socialize dentistry !

118 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:29:26am

re: #111 DistantThunder

Unfortunately, the damn sheeple who are following these demagogues may have us out numbered.

119 DistantThunder  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:30:58am

re: #118 pingjockey

Unfortunately, the damn sheeple who are following these demagogues may have us out numbered.

Yep. We have to start creating our own commercials for conservative principals on the blogosphere.

120 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:31:26am

Via Ace. who calls this the "Best Essay on Iraq You'll Read This Month."

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

121 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:31:40am

re: #116 Ojoe

Instead their discussion the tourism potential of churches instead of trying to get people in on Sunday.

122 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:31:41am

re: #115 goddessoftheclassroom

That is a "ahhhhhh" moment for sure. Congrats and keep up the good work. We just lost a kindergarden teacher here. 31, male and had a dirt bike accident. Just terrible. You don't find too many guys with the guts to teach little ones.

123 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:32:52am

re: #121 Killgore Trout

That is just crazy. Let us not offend the [bigoted word]s. Fuck 'em I say.

124 CIA Reject  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:33:38am

re: #117 DistantThunder

Gotta get the teeth (Mr DT's friend started this business of fake gross teeth when he graduated from dental school - made millions.)

LOL! What a Country!
/yakov


They're called - Billy-Bob teeth or (British teeth - either way.)

Socialize dentistry !

Yes, by all means- ruin oral hygiene AND bankrupt a successful business at the same time!

/A "two-fer"!

125 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:33:39am

re: #122 pingjockey

That is a "ahhhhhh" moment for sure. Congrats and keep up the good work. We just lost a kindergarden teacher here. 31, male and had a dirt bike accident. Just terrible. You don't find too many guys with the guts to teach little ones.

How awful. Male teachers are so important as role models for students, too.

126 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:33:50am

I'm confused this morning: is she out or is she not out?

127 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:34:46am

Here's one. Say one of our military catches Adam taliban Gadan, do they get to keep the million buck reward the FBI just put out on his head?

128 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:34:56am
129 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:35:28am

re: #126 Peacekeeper
6-5 and pick 'em.

130 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:36:35am

re: #125 goddessoftheclassroom
Yep. Hit the school pretty hard. Just from my observations, there isn't to many male teachers in the grade schools.

131 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:37:15am

re: #130 pingjockey
Damn goddess read that sentence. I need remedial English!

132 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:38:01am

re: #126 Peacekeeper

Sounds like she is waffling. :-)

Hillary Clinton defiant in face of loss

Rather than concede the loss to Obama, the New York senator told a cheering crowd she would consult supporters and party leaders to decide the future of her campaign.

133 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:38:02am

re: #126 Peacekeeper

I'm confused this morning: is she out or is she not out?

What is to be confused about? She is a Klinton, she will remain in the race even after McCain is sworn in, claiming that McCain stole the Presidency from here with some voter fraud gimmick.

134 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:38:25am

re: #108 Killgore Trout

Church of England accused of censoring debate on Islam

Heh.

This is the heart of the approaching schism in the Anglican Community. The Church of England and The Episcopal Church (USA) have shift ever further left in changing their mission to "social justice" rather than the charges given to the Church ins Scripture. A Church that has chosen a direction other than that given in the Bible has chosen the wrong direction.

Many people thing that the break in The Episcopal Church is based around the ordination of the openly gay bishop, but that is just an example, not the cause, of the problem.

We orthodox, traditional types know we're supposed to strive to live our lives according to the "rules," not change the rules to accommodate our lives.

135 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:38:51am

Ha! FNC slapping the Olberdork around. Mwahaha!

136 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:38:57am

re: #130 pingjockey

Yep. Hit the school pretty hard. Just from my observations, there isn't to many male teachers in the grade schools.

No there aren't and it's unfortunate.

One of the best teachers I've ever seen was a male second grade teacher. Huge guy, but had some of the best insights into how kids think and learn that I've ever seen.

137 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:39:34am

re: #134 goddessoftheclassroom

In response to your earlier comment, in my experience "It was boring" = "I'm lazy"

138 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:39:50am

re: #135 pingjockey

Ha! FNC slapping the Olberdork around. Mwahaha!

Sigh....................To bad thats like beating up on a retarded 6 year old...

139 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:40:26am

re: #137 Lucius Septimius

In response to your earlier comment, in my experience "It was boring" = "I'm lazy"

Good morning Lucius.........

140 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:40:34am

re: #136 Lucius Septimius
I just wish the NEA/WEA(here in Wa state) would get out of the way and let the teachers teach! Goddamn meddlers!

141 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:41:08am

What's interesting (and confusing) is that so many media outlets are reporting like it's over. Then these stories pop up where she says it's not over. Sounds like the Dems and their media buddies are giving her the bums rush.

142 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:41:55am

re: #138 doriangrey
Oh, I don't think that it's that bad. That would be horrible. But, smacking uberdork around is FUN! Kinda like bashing a pinata.

143 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:42:15am

re: #130 pingjockey

Yep. Hit the school pretty hard. Just from my observations, there isn't to many male teachers in the grade schools.

The fact that you know there are some goofs exonerates you from having to take remedial grammar!
Hey, we're lizards--we read with that charity that covers a multitude of typos...

144 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:42:20am

re: #139 doriangrey

And a jaunty good morning to you as well.

145 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:43:06am

re: #143 goddessoftheclassroom
Why thank you. I get going and my grammar skills get pushed under the bus!

146 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:43:25am

re: #140 pingjockey

I just wish the NEA/WEA(here in Wa state) would get out of the way and let the teachers teach! Goddamn meddlers!

The NEA is educations single worst enemy.

147 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:43:29am

re: #120 goddessoftheclassroom

Good read, ma'am.

148 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:44:20am

Later all. Time to make the little boss his lunch and get myself ready for the daily grind. Y'all have a fine day.

149 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:44:43am

re: #134 goddessoftheclassroom

Many people thing that the break in The Episcopal Church is based around the ordination of the openly gay bishop, but that is just an example, not the cause, of the problem.


Personally, I'd love to see the CoE become more socially liberal (on gay and women's issues) while regaining its moral and spiritual bearings. At least it seems they're thinking about which way to go. We'll have to wait and see what they decide but at least they're aware they have a problem.

150 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:45:40am

re: #149 Killgore Trout

Personally, I'd love to see the CoE become more socially liberal (on gay and women's issues) while regaining its moral and spiritual bearings. At least it seems they're thinking about which way to go. We'll have to wait and see what they decide but at least they're aware they have a problem.

I apparently have a very different idea than you do of what the problem is.

151 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:46:37am

re: #150 goddessoftheclassroom

Surprised?
;)

152 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:46:40am

re: #128 Ojoe

Ahhhh. OBranma - It's what's for breakfast when you can't have your waffle.

153 mama winger  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:47:41am

re: #134 goddessoftheclassroom

Amen. And good morning :)

154 mama winger  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:48:56am

re: #149 Killgore Trout

Personally, I'd love to see the CoE become more socially liberal (on gay and women's issues) while regaining its moral and spiritual bearings

Two things, at odds with each other. Sometimes Christians are called to obedience, rather than expedience.

155 laZardo  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:48:57am

Got home from work. Train actually slowed to a crawl between a couple of stations, but then again it helps me add to my secret Zionist Carbon Credit Deposit.

What'd I miss?

156 ec marm  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:50:31am

Barack Obama to address AIPAC on FNC in a few minutes.

The first speaker on the first day was Senator John McCain who would be followed on day three by both Senator’s Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.
157 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:51:31am

re: #141 Peacekeeper

What's interesting (and confusing) is that so many media outlets are reporting like it's over. Then these stories pop up where she says it's not over. Sounds like the Dems and their media buddies are giving her the bums rush.

They want her to just shut up and go away -- it's like with Cindy Sheehan. They've had their fun, but now they want to move an and adore Obama and trash McCain, and she won't get out of the way and let them -- the MEDIA -- the HIGH PRIESTHOOD of politics, decide for us whom the gods have chosen.

The Romans, when they held elections, voted by tribe in a large building on the outskirts of the city. Voters would assemble and line up by tribe. As each tribe came forward and people would cast their votes, the priests would observe and decide what was happening. For the Romans, voting was a form of divination -- it was the gods, not the people, who decided. Hence at a certain point, if the voting seemed consistently to be going in one direction, the priests would stop the voting and declare a victor.

The media sees themselves in the same role -- they, not the voters, decide who the candidates are and who should win. They possess, or so they think, the arcane and occult knowledge of political processes and, above all, are custodians of the public good, or as the Romans might say, the "res publica." And as a self-appointed priesthood, they believe without a doubt that they, not the voters, are the only ones with the knowledge to decide who should rule.

In the Roman case, the practice meant that a candidate only had to curry favor with a minority of the electorate -- winning a majority in the first two or three of the 12 tribes was usually sufficient, so that's where they'd pitch their message. You didn't need a real majority, only to win certain "key" interest groups and the priests would finalize your victory. The MSM functions much the same way.

Moral: As the number of voters increased, and the stakes in elections rose in the late republic, demagoguery triumphed over discussion of issues. The last phase of the republic saw the election of a series of men who set themselves up as dictators -- Marius, Sulla, Pompey, Caesar. And the republic degenerated and fell. And Augustus arose to pick up the pieces. The priesthood played a signal role in bringing this about.

Is our pious devotion to the MSM so strong as to allow us to permit the new priesthood to demolish the Republic?

158 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:51:33am

re: #154 mama winger

Two things, at odds with each other.


I don't think they have to be.

159 Sizzlack  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:51:50am

On some other message boards I read people are talking about the need to bring the country together over all else. But then they go on to say Obama is the one to do this. How the hell do they reach this conclusion? Is it all his shady ass friends he has? Is it his by the book far left voting record? Is it his radical church? McCain has a record of bipartisan legislation. He said himself last night that Obama has never once stood up against his own party, put his own ass on the line, for the betterment of the people. Not once. How on earth do people think that is the man to unite the country? I'm at a loss on this one...

160 CIA Reject  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:51:59am

re: #150 goddessoftheclassroom

re: #149 Killgore Trout

Personally, I'd love to see the CoE become more socially liberal (on gay and women's issues) while regaining its moral and spiritual bearings. At least it seems they're thinking about which way to go. We'll have to wait and see what they decide but at least they're aware they have a problem.

I don't know much about the inner workings of the CoE, but I think it's moral bearings are what are preventing it from becoming more socially liberal on "gay and women's issues". As for it's spiritual bearings, I think they are the source of its current difficulties.

161 mama winger  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:52:06am

I heard something on Fox that Olbermann had been promoted to head of NBC News ? Is that right, or am I having another nightmare?

162 paxnhymn  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:52:22am

come on. Someone ket in something to cheer me up, because I'm feelin' real bleak about our country's future 'bout now....

163 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:52:26am

re: #154 mama winger

{MAMA}

Nice to see you -- gotta run now.

164 paxnhymn  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:52:44am

re: #162 paxnhymn


pimf- key

165 The Other Les  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:52:44am

re: #100 CIA Reject

I think BO would be found dead at the bottom of a staircase if he ran on such a ticket- and I think he knows that...

Chelsea with a sniper rifle.

/original Manchurian Candidate

166 mama winger  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:53:24am

re: #157 Lucius Septimius

A thousand up-dings.

Good morning Lucius. How are you today?

167 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:53:33am

re: #157 Lucius Septimius

The media sees themselves in the same role -- they, not the voters, decide who the candidates are and who should win.

BINGO.

168 mama winger  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:53:48am

re: #163 Lucius Septimius

{MAMA}

Nice to see you -- gotta run now.

Bye Lucius - catch you later I hope!

169 Sizzlack  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:53:55am

re: #161 mama winger

I heard something on Fox that Olbermann had been promoted to head of NBC News ? Is that right, or am I having another nightmare?

NBC? The National Barack Channel

170 The Other Les  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:54:13am

re: #114 Big Steve

So is this election going to be the biggest no brainer or what. Don't care if it is the Obama and Mama ticket, McCain would have to drop F- bombs to lose this thing.

That would only jump up the Dick Cheney Coolness Factor for him.

171 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:54:17am

re: #151 Killgore Trout

Heh. If you're dispensing religious advice please tell us the one true path. It better not involve TV, liquor or "women's issues".

172 CIA Reject  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:54:49am

re: #161 mama winger

I heard something on Fox that Olbermann had been promoted to head of NBC News ? Is that right, or am I having another nightmare?

That would be like Pee Wee Herman being named Secretary of Defense...

...in Belgium.

173 mama winger  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:54:51am

re: #162 paxnhymn

come on. Someone ket in something to cheer me up, because I'm feelin' real bleak about our country's future 'bout now....

Sorry. I got nuthin. except ......

Take your gummit rebate check and buy yourself a gun and some ammo.

174 paxnhymn  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:55:25am

re: #161 mama winger

I heard something on Fox that Olbermann had been promoted to head of NBC News ? Is that right, or am I having another nightmare?


sounds about right. There have beem enough nightmares to go around lately. I am ALREADY sick of how even previously thought of conservative pundits are fawning over the Obamessiah's public personna and speaking ability.....it's a really crazy pied-piper syndrome!

175 CIA Reject  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:55:45am

re: #165 The Other Les

Chelsea with a sniper rifle.

/original Manchurian Candidate

LOL!

/Where's Angela Lansbury now that we really need her!

176 FrogMarch  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:55:58am

The top left of Drudge right now says "Obama called Hillary twice.... and got voicemail"

That's funny.

177 mama winger  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:56:15am

re: #174 paxnhymn

Steve Doocy said that he felt sorry for Tim Russert - who has been there for like a jillion years.

Olbermann is insane.

178 infidelia  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:56:59am

re: #23 loflyer

Ayn Rand forever!

Back when I first read Atlas Shrugs 40 years ago I never thought I'd be living in the middle of it. I wish we had her voice here now, though I would not have wanted her to have to have witnessed 9/11 for anything.

Mornin' all. Where the hell is that Michelle "Whitey" tape? If they've got it now is the time to show it.

179 laZardo  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:57:18am

re: #162 paxnhymn

All I can say is... welcome to the club. D:

180 The Albatross  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:57:19am

Mit Romney took Montana? What's up with that?

Fly by hail and farewell... long days for a couple of weeks. I really enjoyed being here as those lizards and Charles (heartier than I ) watched the Hil and Barry extravaganza last night. It put me in a much better mood than if I had watched the speechifying 3D.

Have a great day lizards!

181 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:57:52am

re: #171 Peacekeeper

It better not involve TV, liquor or "women's issues".


Ok, those were my top 3.

182 The Other Les  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:58:03am

re: #175 CIA Reject

LOL!

/Where's Angela Lansbury now that we really need her!

Retired.

183 paxnhymn  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:58:19am

re: #173 mama winger

Sorry. I got nuthin. except ......

Take your gummit rebate check and buy yourself a gun and some ammo.


ahead of you. And I'm already turning some soil in my backyard for my "defeat garden" (the antithesis of the WWII Victory Garden) because if this clown gets power, everything will be socialized and the shelves in the stores will be either empty like the USSR or bread will be 12.00 a loaf...

184 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 5:58:51am

re: #166 mama winger

OK -- of to the doctor for a check up.

Hope you got me email for a couple of weeks ago; looking forward to a response.

Ciao -- have a great day, ya'll.

185 mama winger  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:00:10am

re: #158 Killgore Trout

I don't think they have to be.

Correctly addressed, no . In the current political and cultural trends - yes, they are in opposition to one another.

Jesus was a true radical of his time when it came to women's issues. He granted women legal and spiritual rights and freedoms unheard of in that culture. He is truly a liberator. But within that freedom, there are guidelines that keep the relationships between men, women, and God sacred.

186 infidelia  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:00:18am

re: #183 paxnhymn

ahead of you. And I'm already turning some soil in my backyard for my "defeat garden" (the antithesis of the WWII Victory Garden) because if this clown gets power, everything will be socialized and the shelves in the stores will be either empty like the USSR or bread will be 12.00 a loaf...

Speaking of which, has anyone with a last 2 digits in the 80s got theirs yet?

187 Former Belgian  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:00:58am

re: #174 paxnhymn

sounds about right. There have beem enough nightmares to go around lately. I am ALREADY sick of how even previously thought of conservative pundits are fawning over the Obamessiah's public personna and speaking ability.....it's a really crazy pied-piper syndrome!

The New Class (what George Orwell called the "New Aristocracy") will do everything in its power to get one of their own to the White House.

188 mama winger  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:01:08am

re: #184 Lucius Septimius

OK -- of to the doctor for a check up.

Hope you got me email for a couple of weeks ago; looking forward to a response.

Ciao -- have a great day, ya'll.

No - I never got an email from you ...... Send me another one?

189 realwest  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:01:23am

Good morning all y'all - from a hot (73 degrees, going up to 95 degrees!) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone this fine morning?

190 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:01:51am

The powers that be want Hill as VP to put the party back together-it will force all those angry Hillary people to shut up and take it. But if she won't settle they'll broom her as fast as they can.
The Democratic Convention this year should be epic. How can a party of secularists anoint their messiah without being camp?

191 Lantawa  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:02:03am

Very ambiguous quote that has very limited "true" application.

How does it go?.........Meh......

192 mama winger  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:02:04am

re: #186 infidelia

Speaking of which, has anyone with a last 2 digits in the 80s got theirs yet?

My last two numbers are 13 and I just got my check last week. Turbo Tax filers get theirs late. Did you use TT?

193 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:04:02am

Mooto for Denver '08 : Come let us adore him.

194 laZardo  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:04:08am

re: #183 paxnhymn

Only the regular, chemical-infested bread will be 12.00 a loaf. They'll stock the shelves with the organic, earth-friendly ones though. The ones grown in third-world countries to help them grow their economies.

/

195 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:04:39am

re: #186 infidelia

Speaking of which, has anyone with a last 2 digits in the 80s got theirs yet?

Yep.

196 DistantThunder  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:04:39am

re: #176 FrogMarch

The top left of Drudge right now says "Obama called Hillary twice.... and got voicemail"

That's funny.

Means she was deliberately refusing to answer his call.

197 laZardo  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:04:43am

re: #189 realwest

Cynical, slothful, downright mean...oh, the usual. (;

198 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:05:13am

re: #194 laZardo

Nope , expect Carbon Neutral bread to be the big seller in 2009.

199 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:05:17am

re: #189 realwest

Good morning all y'all - from a hot (73 degrees, going up to 95 degrees!) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone this fine morning?

{realwest}

200 DistantThunder  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:05:36am

re: #185 mama winger

Correctly addressed, no . In the current political and cultural trends - yes, they are in opposition to one another.

Jesus was a true radical of his time when it came to women's issues. He granted women legal and spiritual rights and freedoms unheard of in that culture. He is truly a liberator. But within that freedom, there are guidelines that keep the relationships between men, women, and God sacred.

So right, and when those guidelines are ignored, men are at their worst - think Bill Clinton, and women are at their worst - think Sex and the City.

201 Widow'smight  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:06:26am

re: #185 mama winger

Any church worth it's weight should be reflecting God's standards as expressed through his written word, not man's interpretation of the month.

202 paxnhymn  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:06:32am

re: #190 Peacekeeper

The powers that be want Hill as VP to put the party back together-it will force all those angry Hillary people to shut up and take it. But if she won't settle they'll broom her as fast as they can.
The Democratic Convention this year should be epic. How can a party of secularists anoint their messiah without being camp?


what's gonna be even better is watching the Clinton Machine try and torpedo this fool's campaign behind the scenes. She has to. She can't afford to wait eight, and take the chance that the public will be so pissed of at the Obamessiah after that to where she might possibly not be elected. She'll sabotage and wait four. If we're lucky hussein will become the next KerryDukakisMondaleGore...2nd in a two man race...

203 laZardo  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:06:36am

re: #198 Peacekeeper

Organic Neutral-Carbon Eco-bread.

Buy ONCE, preserve our Earth for a Lifetime.

/needs to touch up on his sloganeering...

204 realwest  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:07:12am

re: #186 infidelia Good morning to you!
Uh, what was that about people with a last 2 digits in the 80s got theirs yet all about? My Mom keeps telling me that she heard on TV that folks who were born during certain years are getting an additional check from Soc Sec (if you're in your 80's - she's 83+) and I've never heard of that - though she did receive her economic stimulus payment!

205 laZardo  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:07:33am

re: #202 paxnhymn

If we're lucky hussein will become the next KerryDukakisMondaleGore...2nd in a two man race...

/snerk

206 DistantThunder  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:07:54am

re: #200 DistantThunder

So right, and when those guidelines are ignored, men are at their worst - think Bill Clinton, and women are at their worst - think Sex and the City.

And then you have whining women who say men won't commit (because they get the milk for free) and men who are afraid to marry because they don't want to be tied up in some horrible divorce with a she-wolf.
Kids are accessories - sometimes before - sometimes after the fact.

We are in a post Christian society.

207 Widow'smight  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:07:54am

re: #193 Peacekeeper

They'll be singing that Classic Christian song "Barack of Ages"

208 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:07:57am

IF there is a Michelle Obama get whitey tape, and IF the Clintons have it, I can't imagine why they haven't used it already.

209 SecondComing  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:08:08am

Where does the term 'Moonbat' come from? I see it used on here all the time. Oh and Drudge has a Chris Matthews like man crush on Obama.

210 realwest  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:08:25am

re: #199 goddessoftheclassroom {goddess} good morning to you! How are you doing today?

211 opnion  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:08:49am

Good morning Lizards. I am sure that this has been discussed, but did ya catch Barry talking about the time is now to'heal the Planet?"
If anyone besides Obama said that , the media would have that person measured for a straight jacket.

212 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:09:21am

re: #11 Neo Con since 9-11

It is actually quite interesting that one of the leading figures in the attempt to save the Chinese at that time was a German industrialist. Since he had to toe the German line, he was "officially" a member of the Nazi party. He used his armband to good effect to try and minimize the damage. He returned later to Germany and was active on the German side of the war, but then again so did most Germans.

213 DistantThunder  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:09:25am

re: #209 SecondComing

Where does the term 'Moonbat' come from? I see it used on here all the time. Oh and Drudge has a Chris Matthews like man crush on Obama.

A sprouting bro-mance

214 paxnhymn  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:09:28am

re: #208 Peacekeeper

IF there is a Michelle Obama get whitey tape, and IF the Clintons have it, I can't imagine why they haven't used it already.

I don't think it exixts...I think that was rumour to try and draw big ears into a firefight.

215 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:09:47am

re: #203 laZardo

Loaves made from peat moss dredged by hand under all natural (i.e. filthy) conditions.

216 laZardo  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:09:56am

re: #211 opnion

There was a politician here named Gil (Spanish G, pronounced like H) whose slogan was "Time to Gil the Nation!"

/there was sick humor in just pronouncing it like the English G...

217 paxnhymn  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:10:58am

re: #216 laZardo

There was a politician here named Gil (Spanish G, pronounced like H) whose slogan was "Time to Gil the Nation!"

/there was sick humor in just pronouncing it like the English G...


LOL! yeah, especially if you envision what happens to a fish when it's gill-netted.

218 maddogg  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:11:07am

An older, white haired man walked into a jewelry store one Friday evening with a beautiful young gal at his side.

He told the jeweler he was looking for a special ring for his girlfriend.

The jeweler looked through his stock and brought out a $5,000 ring.

The old man said, "No, I'd like to see something more special."

At that statement, the jeweler went to his special stock and brought another ring over. "Here's a stunning ring at only $40,000" the jeweler said.

The young lady's eyes sparkled and her whole body trembled with excitement.

The old man seeing this said, "We'll take it."

The jeweler asked how payment would be made and the old man stated, "by check. I know you need to make sure my check is good, so I'll write it now and you can call the bank Monday to verify the funds and I'll pick the ring up Monday afternoon," he said.

Monday morning, the jeweler phoned the old man. "There's no money in that account."

"I know," said the old man, "But let me tell you about my weekend!"

219 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:11:36am

Hmm...when i click new comments,i keep getting sent to the top of the page.anyone else having this happen?

220 opnion  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:11:42am

re: #216 laZardo

There was a politician here named Gil (Spanish G, pronounced like H) whose slogan was "Time to Gil the Nation!"

/there was sick humor in just pronouncing it like the English G...

Yeah but Barry is global. His magical poweres will heal the planet!
The guy gives hubris a bad name

221 realwest  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:11:48am

re: #208 Peacekeeper
Morning PK - all I can think is that the race: a) is soooo close and b) superdelegates can't be accurately counted as they can and frequently do seem to change their minds. Maybe, IF there is a tape the Hildebeast is holding it for the convention when she'll be preaching electability cause she's won ALL the big electoral vote states except Illinois.

222 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:11:56am

OK folks, it's off to the Hospital. Dad is having surgery today.

My wife and I are at the time of our lives when we begin to watch our parents walk down the street and have body parts fall off of them.

I'm hoping to be hit by a runaway bus doing 150 mph while I am looking into the sunset having a good memory. Then, WHAM!

Keep us in your thoughts.

223 laZardo  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:12:02am

re: #215 Peacekeeper

Loaves made from peat moss dredged by hand under all natural (i.e. filthy) conditions that benefit impoverished peoples.

For every loaf you buy, half the cost will be donated to the [insert country here] village where each loaf was lovingly crafted from nature.

/fix'd, cynic-sloganeering mode in high gear.

224 DistantThunder  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:12:39am

re: #218 maddogg

An older, white haired man walked into a jewelry store one Friday evening with a beautiful young gal at his side.

He told the jeweler he was looking for a special ring for his girlfriend.

The jeweler looked through his stock and brought out a $5,000 ring.

The old man said, "No, I'd like to see something more special."

At that statement, the jeweler went to his special stock and brought another ring over. "Here's a stunning ring at only $40,000" the jeweler said.

The young lady's eyes sparkled and her whole body trembled with excitement.

The old man seeing this said, "We'll take it."

The jeweler asked how payment would be made and the old man stated, "by check. I know you need to make sure my check is good, so I'll write it now and you can call the bank Monday to verify the funds and I'll pick the ring up Monday afternoon," he said.

Monday morning, the jeweler phoned the old man. "There's no money in that account."

"I know," said the old man, "But let me tell you about my weekend!"

Men! and the women who exploit them. (and vis versa)

225 laZardo  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:12:50am

re: #217 paxnhymn

/suddenly clutches throat

That's gotta hurt. XD

226 DistantThunder  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:14:31am

re: #222 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

OK folks, it's off to the Hospital. Dad is having surgery today.

My wife and I are at the time of our lives when we begin to watch our parents walk down the street and have body parts fall off of them.

I'm hoping to be hit by a runaway bus doing 150 mph while I am looking into the sunset having a good memory. Then, WHAM!

Keep us in your thoughts.

Good luck with that - at least you still have them with you. My husband was a caboose baby, born when his mother was 42, and his dad 53 and lost them both 30 and 20 years ago. My parents were teenage parents - they are still very young and healthy.

227 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:14:38am

O.K. now it's not doing it.(working normally)

228 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:15:16am

re: #227 Boondock St. Bender

Try viagra

229 realwest  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:16:00am

Don't know if this is in the spin off links but:

New report identifies dangerous Web domains
SAN JOSE, Calif. - When surfing the Internet for safe Web sites, not all domains are equal.

Companies that assign addresses for Web sites appear to be cutting corners on security more when they assign names in certain domains than in others, according to a report to be released Wednesday by antivirus software vendor McAfee Inc.
McAfee found the most dangerous domains to navigate to are ".hk" (Hong Kong), ".cn" (China) and ".info" (information).

Of all ".hk" sites McAfee tested, it flagged 19.2 percent as dangerous or potentially dangerous to visitors; it flagged 11.8 percent of ".cn" sites and 11.7 percent of ".info" sites that way.

A little more than 5 percent of the sites under the ".com" domain - the world's most popular - were identified as dangerous.

More spammers, malicious code writers and other cybercriminals can establish an online presence when domain name registry businesses cut requirements for registering a site in order to boost their profit and profile. The report doesn't identify domain name registration companies McAfee believes are responsible for those lapses.

Hundreds, perhaps thousands, of companies are in the business of registering domain names; some are large and well known, while others are small and less reputable, offering their services on the cheap and with flimsy or no background checks to lure in more customers.
[Link: enews.earthlink.net...]

230 CIA Reject  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:16:01am

re: #215 Peacekeeper

Loaves made from peat moss dredged by hand under all natural (i.e. filthy) conditions.

Coming soon to a bread line near you:

German POW Ersatz Bread:
"Ingredients: 50% bruised rye grain. 20% sliced sugar beets. 20% tree flour. (That means 1/5th sawdust) and to top it off, 10% minced leaves and straw..."

231 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:16:26am

re: #210 realwest

{goddess} good morning to you! How are you doing today?

I'm doing pretty well, thanks. I've got to go in to finish moving my classroom, though. :(

232 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:17:54am

re: #134 goddessoftheclassroom

"But now the Church has put off the debate on recruiting Muslims until next February at the earliest and will discuss the promotion of churches as tourist attractions instead."

The Church of England has reduced itself to being a freak show. That is quite a commentary on what they view their mission in this existence to be. "Step right up folks, see the amazing spineless vicar. He slithers, he withers, he dithers. Never mind the man on the Cross. He isn't the boss anymore."

233 realwest  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:17:59am

re: #231 goddessoftheclassroom Uh, where are you moving it - someplace closer to home?! LOL!

234 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:18:18am

Good morning!

I'm alive and shockingly don't have a headache. Nor did I take Tylenol (thanks to all who told me that I could die..I appreciate it).

Sadly, Obama's victory wasn't just a wine induced hallucination.

235 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:18:35am

re: #230 CIA Reject

500% of daily fiber requirements right there!

236 christheprofessor  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:19:31am

re: #204 realwest

Good morning to you!
Uh, what was that about people with a last 2 digits in the 80s got theirs yet all about? My Mom keeps telling me that she heard on TV that folks who were born during certain years are getting an additional check from Soc Sec (if you're in your 80's - she's 83+) and I've never heard of that - though she did receive her economic stimulus payment!

Good morning.

I don't know about that. My father is a notch baby at 87...

237 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:20:12am

Call me biased but what Henry VII started in sin really didn't have a shot at ending well. They got 500 years out of it.

238 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:20:35am

Henry VIII . Gah.

239 laZardo  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:20:37am

re: #235 Peacekeeper

And it's Atkins/South Beach-friendly!

240 Sizzlack  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:20:50am

How are people at AIPAC applauding anything Harry Reid says? He has to be one of the most defeatist Senate Majority Leaders in the last half century.

241 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:21:08am

Think I'll go look in on Babba

242 mama winger  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:21:22am

re: #236 christheprofessor

CHRIS !

I've been looking for you - I got the results of Cubbie's DNA test :)

243 christheprofessor  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:22:46am

re: #242 mama winger

CHRIS !

I've been looking for you - I got the results of Cubbie's DNA test :)

MAMA! Well, what is the little fur-ball's lineage?! Don't keep me waiting!

244 laZardo  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:22:53am

Gonna take a shower. Brb.

245 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:23:58am

re: #232 Shr_Nfr

"But now the Church has put off the debate on recruiting Muslims until next February at the earliest and will discuss the promotion of churches as tourist attractions instead."

The Church of England has reduced itself to being a freak show. That is quite a commentary on what they view their mission in this existence to be. "Step right up folks, see the amazing spineless vicar. He slithers, he withers, he dithers. Never mind the man on the Cross. He isn't the boss anymore."

You're so right, and it breaks my heart. I love the worship liturgy of the Anglican Church, and I LOVE my parish. I don't want to leave unless it finally leaves me.

246 FrogMarch  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:23:58am

Prediction: OPEC wants Obama for president. High gas prices will continue to erode the economy. (good news for democrats!) After Soros/Obama wins OPEC will resume higher production to bring oil prices down. hallelujah it's a miracle.

247 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:24:17am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Today marks the 19th anniversary of the Tienanmen Square uprising against the communist regime. Thousands were never to be heard from again, and some dissidents are still held in prison to this day for daring to demand democratic reforms.

248 mama winger  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:24:33am

re: #243 christheprofessor

MAMA! Well, what is the little fur-ball's lineage?! Don't keep me waiting!

Haha !

He is NOT any part Wheaton Terrier, as I had thought. He is part poodle, part cocker spaniel, and part - Irish Setter. LOL


Didn't see that one coming. :)

249 CIA Reject  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:25:02am

re: #235 Peacekeeper

500% of daily fiber requirements right there!

BO will make us a nation of "regular folks"!

250 mama winger  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:25:11am

re: #247 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Today marks the 19th anniversary of the Tienanmen Square uprising against the communist regime. Thousands were never to be heard from again, and some dissidents are still held in prison to this day for daring to demand democratic reforms.

19 years ? ? no - has it been that long ? wow

251 Dolphin  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:26:06am

Good morning!

Any bakers in the house? I have a recipe for bread that was my mom's and cannot find Rolled Wheat. I have never made it but used to help her years ago. I vaguely remember getting groceries at a large bulk place and I think that is where we used to get all of our baking/canning stuff. I have been to several large grocery stores, including a couple that carry bulk items. I have NOT gone to Whole Foods, but did look on line briefly last weekend. Unfortunately, mom is gone and so is the knowledge.

Suggestions?

252 realwest  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:27:48am

re: #236 christheprofessor Good morning CtP! Uh, thanks for that link (I think - good Lord, did you try to read the damn thing? On one cup of coffee?! LOL).
But that isn't - I don't think - what my Mom was talking about as she wouldn't be a "notch" baby anyway as she was born in '24. No she insists that people born during certain years which include her but exclude me are getting a one time "make up payment" but can't remember anymore about it.
And when my Mom "insists" something, it's almost always true! LOL!

253 mama winger  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:27:56am

re: #251 Dolphin

Rolled wheat? hmmmm...... I don't think I've ever seen that.

254 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:28:08am

re: #247 lawhawk

Any truth to the rumor that the Olympic sprinters will be chased by tanks?

255 Widow'smight  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:28:43am

re: #248 mama winger

Now, he's part Mama Winger too, which is obviously the best part!

256 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:28:55am

re: #237 Peacekeeper

Call me biased but what Henry VII started in sin really didn't have a shot at ending well. They got 500 years out of it.

Well, hang on. Henry VIII broke with the Roman Catholic Church at a time when the RCC was pretty corrupt--the Pope denied H8's petition for an annulment on political, not religious, grounds (I completely agree with you that H8's motives were not altruistic). The Anglican church was a product of the Reformation in terms of its 39 Articles of Faith, which H8 had little to do with.

257 granitebill  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:30:10am

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

I just wish Israel would follow through... despite the 'outrage' that is going to follow. Hamas doesnt care because they have already hijacked fuel trucks for their own.

258 mama winger  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:30:13am

re: #255 Widow'smight

Now, he's part Mama Winger too, which is obviously the best part!

Awww - how sweet are you ? :)

I have to confess - I am in love. I never thought my heart would be the same after my beautiful greyhound died, but now there is happiness in the house once again.

259 christheprofessor  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:30:42am

re: #248 mama winger

Excellent! Didn't see the Irish in there, either... Since mine's cocker and whippet, perhaps they're related...

I saw a dog at the park the other day -- looked almost like Lightning, except a bit taller and lankier and with a more square head. Fur was almost identical, ran just like her. When I asked what she was, the guy said, "She's yellow lab, and a kind of dog called a 'whippet.'"

260 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:31:02am

H8? R U Kidding me? Don't TEXT me bro!

Yeah, I shoulda kept my big mouth shut.

261 mama winger  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:31:29am

re: #256 goddessoftheclassroom

Have you ever considered going to the Catholic Church? I don't know much about the liturgy of the Anglicans - is it similar to th RC?

262 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:32:02am

re: #254 Peacekeeper

Well, they do want records to be set. Let's just call that good incentive.

However, I have seen the newly revised Olympic logo.

263 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:32:04am

re: #251 Dolphin

Good morning!

Any bakers in the house? I have a recipe for bread that was my mom's and cannot find Rolled Wheat. I have never made it but used to help her years ago. I vaguely remember getting groceries at a large bulk place and I think that is where we used to get all of our baking/canning stuff. I have been to several large grocery stores, including a couple that carry bulk items. I have NOT gone to Whole Foods, but did look on line briefly last weekend. Unfortunately, mom is gone and so is the knowledge.

Suggestions?

[Link: www.kingarthurflour.com...]

King Arthur Flour. WONDERFUL baking stuff. Give them a call.

264 laZardo  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:32:17am

re: #247 lawhawk

Green Helmet Guy does not hold a candle to Tank Guy.

265 realwest  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:32:34am

re: #247 lawhawk Good morning lawhawk! Good grief has it been 19 years already? That just doesn't seem possible! BTW, I meant to tell ya a week or so ago, that I really like your new format for your blog - it's really cool!

266 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:32:35am

LGF Trivia:
Chas has made it impossible to use multiple exclamation points in your posts.

Wow!
Wow! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

267 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:33:15am

re: #261 mama winger

Have you ever considered going to the Catholic Church? I don't know much about the liturgy of the Anglicans - is it similar to th RC?

Yes, that's my plan when the ship finally sinks beneath the waves. Until then, I'm praying that a miracle reconciles the church.

268 christheprofessor  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:33:35am

re: #252 realwest

Why not try searching the SSI site? Might find something out there...

269 The Other Les  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:34:00am

Another bridge closing.

[Link: www.johnweeks.com...]

Yes. I do feel like I'm living on the pages of Atlas Shrugged.

270 laZardo  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:34:20am

re: #267 goddessoftheclassroom

I'm told that about the only real difference between Catholics and Anglicans/Episcopalians is that the latter allow divorce.

If all else fails, there's still atheism. ^-^

271 wccawa  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:34:32am

re: #186 infidelia

Speaking of which, has anyone with a last 2 digits in the 80s got theirs yet?

Direct deposits have already gone out. Those with SSNs ending in the 80s getting paper checks are supposed to get them in early to mid July.

272 mama winger  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:35:03am

re: #267 goddessoftheclassroom

Yes, that's my plan when the ship finally sinks beneath the waves. Until then, I'm praying that a miracle reconciles the church.

One day a miracle will reconcile ALL the church. We will be one, as we were meant to be all along.

On earth, as it is in heaven.
273 christheprofessor  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:35:50am

re: #251 Dolphin

You might find something about it here: Feeding America: The Historic American Cookbook Project

274 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:35:59am

re: #271 wccawa
How do you know this? Mine ends in 24 and I still haven't received mine.

275 realwest  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:36:07am

re: #262 lawhawk Whoa, I really do like that revised logo! Now if only I could figure out a way to get that into the MSM without their noticing it.............hmmm......

276 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:36:19am

re: #261 mama winger

It is really similar.

277 mama winger  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:36:31am

re: #259 christheprofessor

Excellent! Didn't see the Irish in there, either... Since mine's cocker and whippet, perhaps they're related...

I saw a dog at the park the other day -- looked almost like Lightning, except a bit taller and lankier and with a more square head. Fur was almost identical, ran just like her. When I asked what she was, the guy said, "She's yellow lab, and a kind of dog called a 'whippet.'"

Ha ! That's a wonderful story.

Yes - our two dogs share some common DNA. No wonder they are so great. :)

278 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:37:05am
279 mama winger  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:37:27am

re: #274 newsjunkie_ky

How do you know this? Mine ends in 24 and I still haven't received mine.

Did you file electronically and have your filing fee taken out of your refund? Those checks come later and will not be direct deposit.

280 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:37:39am

re: #251 Dolphin

You might try rolling soft wheat with a rolling pin, but I wouldn't try it with hard red winter wheat (best for bread). Generally, natural food stores have a roller.

281 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:37:39am

re: #251 Dolphin

Did you look here?

I have used their product before and it should be available at your local Fred Meyers or other comparable store. Look in the organic/health food section.

282 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:37:47am

re: #269 The Other Les

Another bridge closing.

[Link: www.johnweeks.com...]

Yes. I do feel like I'm living on the pages of Atlas Shrugged.

Chris Matthews can use that in his next joke.

During MSNBC's live coverage of Tuesday's Democratic primaries, co-anchor Chris Matthews poked fun at Larry Craig's bathroom arrest during an interview with Minnesota Democratic Senator Amy Klobuchar as he referred to Republican plans to hold their presidential convention in St. Paul, and joked that Craig would be starting his book tour at the airport. Moments later during an interview with Clinton campaign advisor Lisa Caputo, he joked about the Minnesota bridge collapse as an embarrassment Republicans would have to face when they come to the state: "We're having a little bit of fun here tonight with the opportunity of Republican conventioneers to arrive at the airport out there and immediately go to the Larry Craig Memorial Bathroom and check in and let everybody know they know some history. Then go to the bridge that fell down in St. Paul. There's a lot to celebrate for the Republican conventioneers as they get together."

283 mama winger  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:37:49am

re: #278 savage_nation

Hi kids

Good morning savage :) how are you this morning ?

284 The Other Les  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:37:52am

re: #270 laZardo

I'm told that about the only real difference between Catholics and Anglicans/Episcopalians is that the latter allow divorce.

If all else fails, there's still atheism. ^-^

Mere atheism doesn't stand for anything. Try Objectivism.

285 realwest  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:38:30am

re: #268 christheprofessor
Nah, that'd be too easy! LOL!

286 wccawa  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:38:30am

re: #274 newsjunkie_ky

Lots more info here.

287 The Other Les  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:39:20am

re: #282 NJDhockeyfan

Chris Matthews can go frak himself.

288 laZardo  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:39:33am

re: #262 lawhawk

re: #275 realwest

I could have sworn that logo was familiar.

289 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:40:22am

re: #271 wccawa
Morning All!
My social ends in the 80's, and I have yet to see my check. Of course, I filed at 11:59pm on April 15, but it did take them less than 72 hours to cash MY tax payment check to the feds!

290 paxnhymn  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:40:30am
291 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:41:24am
292 laZardo  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:41:25am

re: #284 The Other Les

That's kinda what my "nihilism" is, actually. When in Rome, as they say...

293 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:41:36am

re: #270 laZardo

I'm told that about the only real difference between Catholics and Anglicans/Episcopalians is that the latter allow divorce.

If all else fails, there's still atheism. ^-^

No, there's no question of faith (Christianity); the question concerns worship (Anglican/Episcopal).

294 vxbush  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:41:47am

Good morning, everyone.

It seems that there's a slump this morning in the news, or perhaps I'm just projecting my own quietness now that the primaries are over. I continue to be mildly amused that the Democrat party thinks that Barack Obama is the best candidate they have for president. It simply proves to me how much they depend on style and ignore substance.

So what are we talking about today?

295 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:42:44am

re: #270 laZardo

I'm told that about the only real difference between Catholics and Anglicans/Episcopalians is that the latter allow divorce.

If all else fails, there's still atheism. ^-^

We do and we don't. It's called a Declaration of Nullity, more commonly known as an annulment. Basically, it states that the conditions for the marriage never really existed.

296 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:42:55am

So, how many in the media were rickrolled by Hillary's speech last nite? Seems like everyone expected a concession speech, and they got something a wee bit different.

Can I get a Nelson Muntz from the congregation?! *HA HA*

297 mama winger  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:43:47am

re: #290 paxnhymn

New Episcopal Church vestments

:-D

Oh you're bad.

:)

298 vxbush  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:43:49am

re: #291 savage_nation

I'm good. Better than yesterday. Texas DPS pulled me over and gave me a warning ticket. Driving 62 in a 60 zone.

I wasnt gonna argue with a trooper who is 6'8" with a Michelle Obama scowl, nope!

A very wish choice, sir. :D

299 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:43:58am

Good morning folks!

This is probably not worthy of its own thread, but the big news in our household is the young lad has accomplished his first poop in a toilet! Kudos to the young fellow and a new Engine to add to his growing Thomas & the Tank Engine collection. Ah, they grown up so fast. Better start saving for college now.

300 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:44:06am

re: #270 laZardo
Please dont forget that one may buy an annulment from the catholic church. Rep. Joseph Kennedy did just that, after being married for many years and having children. Wondering...does such an annulment make the children illegitimate? It must if the church takes the money and declares the marriage was never valid. I just love the Hippocracy.

301 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:44:07am

re: #265 realwest

Well, thanks! The new format actually started two days ago. I had been meaning to switch to three columns, but didn't find a template that I liked or just didn't have the time.

I'm still not quite done tweaking things, but it's definitely giving me more space to post info.

302 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:44:23am

Gun-toting taxi rider takes driver for a drink

DESTIN - A taxi driver said he was in fear for his life when he went with an armed passenger into Woody's Safe Sex Bar — then asked a doorman for help.

The passenger, 36-year-old Jalal Farrakhan, is charged with aggravated assault, carrying a concealed firearm and carrying a concealed firearm into an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages, according to the Okaloosa County Sheriff's Office.

Farrakhan pulled a .40-caliber Glock firearm in the back of an Emerald Coast Taxi, the driver told lawmen. He said he pulled back the slide and chambered a round, then said he should have "bumped" the driver as well as two other riders.

The driver said to "bump" is slang for killing.

They drove to Woody's on Harbor Boulevard, where Farrakhan told the driver to come in for a drink. He complied, but told the doorman on his way in that Farrakhan had a gun.

A deputy arrived and found the Glock concealed.

Farrakhan is listed as self-employed in real estate out of Atlanta.

303 redstateredneck  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:44:30am

Good Morning, all y'all! Happy Hump Day to you and yours.

304 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:44:30am

re: #291 savage_nation

I'm good. Better than yesterday. Texas DPS pulled me over and gave me a warning ticket. Driving 62 in a 60 zone.

I wasnt gonna argue with a trooper who is 6'8" with a Michelle Obama scowl, nope!

What a jerk, for 62 in a 60. Usually the fines for that are so small, they don't bother until you pass 10mph over the limit.

305 vxbush  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:44:34am

re: #296 lawhawk

So, how many in the media were rickrolled by Hillary's speech last nite? Seems like everyone expected a concession speech, and they got something a wee bit different.

Can I get a Nelson Muntz from the congregation?! *HA HA*

What is she going to do? Go to each and every superdelegate and bribe them to vote for her? It just looks so strange for her to do this "not quite ready to concede" dance.

306 christheprofessor  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:44:38am

re: #277 mama winger

Ha ! That's a wonderful story.

Yes - our two dogs share some common DNA. No wonder they are so great. :)

Common DNA for uncommon dogs...

Click my avatar for a pic of the Three Amigos: Lightning, Sadie (who looks like Cubby), and Romeo.

307 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:44:48am

WooHoo!
South Dakota voters say YES to a......
REFINERY!
The first in...what 35 years?
Someone actually GETS IT!

308 mama winger  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:44:56am

re: #299 Kenneth

YAY! POOP ! YAY !

309 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:45:46am

re: #308 mama winger

Funny, that's what he said...

310 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:45:46am

re: #300 CapeCoddah

Please dont forget that one may buy an annulment from the catholic church. Rep. Joseph Kennedy did just that, after being married for many years and having children. Wondering...does such an annulment make the children illegitimate? It must if the church takes the money and declares the marriage was never valid. I just love the Hippocracy.

No, it does not make the children illegitimate. It also cannot be simply bought. Joe Kennedy had to have proper legal grounds in canon law.

311 wccawa  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:46:15am

re: #304 Honorary Yooper

What a jerk, for 62 in a 60. Usually the fines for that are so small, they don't bother until you pass 10mph over the limit.

Back in the day, I was actually ticketed for going 56 in a 55. Not a warning, but a ticket.

312 vxbush  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:46:28am

re: #306 christheprofessor

Common DNA for uncommon dogs...

Click my avatar for a pic of the Three Amigos: Lightning, Sadie (who looks like Cubby), and Romeo.

Wait: where are the hats?

313 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:46:52am
314 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:46:54am

Have a great day, Lizards.

315 mama winger  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:46:57am

re: #306 christheprofessor

Common DNA for uncommon dogs...

Click my avatar for a pic of the Three Amigos: Lightning, Sadie (who looks like Cubby), and Romeo.

OH MY GOSH ! I love it ! How fun is that picture!

you are a good doggie daddy to give Lightning so many interesting activites and experiences.

316 mama winger  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:47:24am

re: #314 goddessoftheclassroom

see you later sweetie :)

317 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:47:25am
318 laZardo  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:47:26am

re: #295 Honorary Yooper

I got the difference between an annulment and a divorce, actually. In a divorce, the marriage is still recorded as made previously then broken.

re: #300 CapeCoddah

Faith and action. Action mostly being pocket padding...

319 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:47:40am

re: #279 mama winger

I did it the old fashioned paper way.

320 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:48:06am

re: #293 goddessoftheclassroom

No, there's no question of faith (Christianity); the question concerns worship (Anglican/Episcopal).

Well, if you are interested, may I suggest stopping in one Sunday and checking out the Mass. Typically there is a phone number for the RCIA classes in the weekly bulletin (Roman Catholic Initiation for Adults). It'd be very simple since you are Episcopal.

321 realwest  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:48:24am

re: #301 lawhawk
Gees, my memory is really shot - I went to your blog directly from my bookmarks and I could swear it was about a week or so ago and noticed the change immediately. Are you SURE it was only 2 days ago?
Gotta call the doctor, BBIAM!

322 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:48:39am

re: #282 NJDhockeyfan

bridge collapse?what did the republicans have to do with that?does that ass mathews have photos of cheney running from the bridge with a sawz-all?

323 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:48:59am
324 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:49:08am

re: #286 wccawa

Link didn't work.
Sorry took so long to get back. Grandson here and had to play a quick game of 'hide and seek'.

325 wccawa  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:49:31am

re: #317 savage_nation

I did. The judge still made me pay the fine, and you could hear everyone in the courtroom just groan, and they all shook their heads as I walked out. Truly a lesson in small-town justice. This was back in the '80s.

326 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:49:47am

re: #310 Honorary Yooper
BS. MY mother "Bought" one as well, after meeting another man, locking my dad out, and crying abandonment. Canon law, my ass.
I went to the Archdiocese to tell them the truth, but they cared only about the 10K check she handed them. I was an adult when this happened, BTW. Not a child. My dad did nothing but go to work one morning, and when he came home, found he had stepped into the twillight zone.l

327 laZardo  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:49:48am

re: #293 goddessoftheclassroom

Curses! Foiled again!

328 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:50:16am

re: #322 Boondock St. Bender

bridge
collapse?what did the republicans have to do with that?does that ass
mathews have photos of cheney running from the bridge with a sawz-all?


Anything that goes wrong anywhere at anytime is Bush's fault. Where have you been the last 7 years?
/

329 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:50:19am

re: #311 wccawa

Back in the day, I was actually ticketed for going 56 in a 55. Not a warning, but a ticket.

Geeze, what half-ass backwards nazi state were you in to get kind of ticket?

/I know enforcement varies by state.

330 FrogMarch  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:50:28am

re: #282 NJDhockeyfan

Also---
Notice any mention of Elliott Spizter from the DNC/MSM? Nope. All gone.

331 Widow'smight  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:50:59am

re: #258 mama winger

I need to give my Golden a bath, even I notice his odor now. I also should get him groomed for summer, but I've seen some Goldens after they've been groomed and they look stupid.

Luke was having fun with a couple of toads last night. He knows not to hurt them, "but they move daddy".

332 christheprofessor  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:51:06am

re: #312 vxbush

Wait: where are the hats?

They fell off while they were a-crossin' the Rio Grande...

re: #315 mama winger

Thanky kindly... She's asleep on the floor with her head on my right foot (making it impossible for me to get up and get another mug of coffee) as I type this...

333 Dolphin  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:51:20am

re: #253 mama winger

re: #263 goddessoftheclassroom

and everyone else who responded. Will research more using links this weekend.

334 wccawa  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:51:51am

re: #324 newsjunkie_ky

Looks like "http:" automatically gets added to the link. Here is the complete URL. Sorry about that...

[Link: sa2.www4.irs.gov...]

335 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:51:56am
336 Alouette  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:52:06am

re: #251 Dolphin

Good morning!

Any bakers in the house? I have a recipe for bread that was my mom's and cannot find Rolled Wheat. I have never made it but used to help her years ago. I vaguely remember getting groceries at a large bulk place and I think that is where we used to get all of our baking/canning stuff. I have been to several large grocery stores, including a couple that carry bulk items. I have NOT gone to Whole Foods, but did look on line briefly last weekend. Unfortunately, mom is gone and so is the knowledge.

Suggestions?

Bob's Red Mill

337 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:52:24am

re: #326 CapeCoddah

WTF kind of diocese were you in? In mine, they go through an 18 month process, there is a fixed fee, and sometimes they deny the application for nullity.

338 vxbush  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:52:27am

re: #326 CapeCoddah

BS. MY mother "Bought" one as well, after meeting another man, locking my dad out, and crying abandonment. Canon law, my ass.
I went to the Archdiocese to tell them the truth, but they cared only about the 10K check she handed them. I was an adult when this happened, BTW. Not a child. My dad did nothing but go to work one morning, and when he came home, found he had stepped into the twillight zone.l

Wow. That seriously sucks.

339 redstateredneck  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:52:44am

re: #331 Widow'smight

Luke was having fun with a couple of toads last night. He knows not to hurt them, "but they move daddy".


The Dachshund Pack shows no mercy to toads.

340 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:53:02am

re: #328 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Thats what i figger'd,but they should have at least a good connect the dots to go with it.

341 wccawa  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:53:54am

re: #329 Honorary Yooper

Geeze, what half-ass backwards nazi state were you in to get kind of ticket?

Colorado, where I grew up. But I'm sure that I'm not the only one... there must be thousands- if not millions- of stories with similar tickets. No biggie. It was over 20 years ago...

342 vxbush  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:54:03am

re: #339 redstateredneck

The Dachshund Pack shows no mercy to toads.

And any insect that comes into my house becomes an instant protein snack for my cat.

343 FrogMarch  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:54:04am

Stupid Democrat Congressmen.

Is it a mandatory that Democrat congressmen be so stupid? Is that how they get the job?

344 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:54:23am

re: #337 Honorary Yooper
Boston. It took about 18 mos or so, but it IS all about the money.
It was the same w/ Joe Kennedy.

345 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:54:30am
346 christheprofessor  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:54:41am

re: #325 wccawa

I did. The judge still made me pay the fine, and you could hear everyone in the courtroom just groan, and they all shook their heads as I walked out. Truly a lesson in small-town justice. This was back in the '80s.

That's what they call "revenue enhancement."

347 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:54:52am
348 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:55:00am

re: #341 wccawa

Colorado, where I grew up. But I'm sure that I'm not the only one... there must be thousands- if not millions- of stories with similar tickets. No biggie. It was over 20 years ago...

Ah, during the NMSL era. I thought most western states simply gave a $5-$15 "energy wasting" fine?

349 redstateredneck  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:55:06am

re: #342 vxbush

And any insect that comes into my house becomes an instant protein snack for my cat.

Sadie Mae the Hound Dog wannabe Dachshund even eats the little green lizards (anoles) like the one in my avatar.
Eeeeewww!

350 vxbush  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:55:17am

re: #343 FrogMarch

Stupid Democrat Congressmen.

Is it a mandatory that Democrat congressmen be so stupid? Is that how they get the job?

Yes. And yes.

351 realwest  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:55:32am

Also don't know if this is in spin off links or not (they are almost as long as this thread) but:

U.S. warships to leave Myanmar after aid refused

BANGKOK (Reuters) - U.S. warships will soon leave waters near Myanmar after the ruling military junta refused permission for the delivery of aid supplies to the cyclone-stricken Irrawaddy delta, a top U.S. commander said on Wednesday.

Admiral Timothy Keating said the USS Essex group will sail away from the former Burma on Thursday but leave several heavy-lift helicopters in neighboring Thailand to assist in the relief effort.

"Should the Burmese rulers have a change of heart and request our full assistance for their suffering we are prepared to help," Keating, commander of U.S. forces in the Pacific, said in a statement.

Myanmar has been promised millions of dollars in aid from the United States, other governments and aid organizations.

But the junta has refused to allow the U.S. military to help distribute aid to affected areas, appearing due to fear that a large-scale international relief effort would loosen the grip the generals have held since a 1962 coup.

Thai Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej told visiting U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates in Bangkok on Sunday that the junta had rejected foreign military help in delivered cyclone aid because it feared it could be seen as an invasion.

Keating said they had made 15 attempts over the past three weeks to convince the regime to allow in U.S. helicopters and landing craft, "but they have refused us each and every time."
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

352 mama winger  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:55:35am

re: #331 Widow'smight

I need to give my Golden a bath, even I notice his odor now. I also should get him groomed for summer, but I've seen some Goldens after they've been groomed and they look stupid.

Luke was having fun with a couple of toads last night. He knows not to hurt them, "but they move daddy".

I used to send my golden to a groomer, but I never liked the way she looked afterwards either. I have learned to cut her myself. Although sometimes in the heat of the summer I will take her in and get a short clip just for the coolness factor.

353 Shug  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:55:58am

It's hard to type while holding a 2 week old

354 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:56:00am

re: #344 CapeCoddah

Boston. It took about 18 mos or so, but it IS all about the money.
It was the same w/ Joe Kennedy.

Well, the Boston Archdiocese hasn't exactly been a model of ethics, IMHO. Just look at Cardinal Law.

355 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:56:08am

re: #344 CapeCoddah

Boston. It took about 18 mos or so, but it IS all about the money.
It was the same w/ Joe Kennedy.

I know that my Mom didn't have 10K to give when she got an annulment from her first husband after he abandonded her & my older brother for another woman.

356 vxbush  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:56:33am

re: #349 redstateredneck

Sadie Mae the Hound Dog wannabe Dachshund even eats the little green lizards (anoles) like the one in my avatar.
Eeeeewww!

Okay, you may have to reconsider this dog, as he is targeting family. I personally don't want to see him nibbling on my second cousin three times removed.

357 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:56:41am
358 FrogMarch  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:56:58am

re: #350 vxbush

Yes. And yes.

Stupid questions, I know.

359 vxbush  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:57:09am

re: #353 Shug

It's hard to type while holding a 2 week old

Maybe, but it's worth it. :D

360 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:57:36am

re: #296 lawhawk

So, how many in the media were rickrolled by Hillary's speech last nite? Seems like everyone expected a concession speech, and they got something a wee bit different.

Can I get a Nelson Muntz from the congregation?! *HA HA*

In the light of day this is looking more and more like a strategy - possibly coordinated between Barry and Hillary - to have the Dem base BEG them to get together. Barry then graciously offers the VP spot, Hillary graciously accepts, hugs all around.

361 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:57:53am

re: #351 realwest

That regime in Burma deserves to be hung by their toenails for being so stupid and crass.

362 mama winger  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:58:00am

re: #332 christheprofessor

She's asleep on the floor with her head on my right foot (making it impossible for me to get up and get another mug of coffee) as I type this...

Mine is asleep in the cubby hole under my desk. Same foot scenario. They really are related :)

363 Dirk Diggler  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:58:13am

re: #326 CapeCoddah

I just love the Hippocracy.

The word is spelled "hypocrisy".

/Pedantic ass mode off

364 razorbacker  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:58:29am

re: #299 Kenneth

Good morning folks!

This is probably not worthy of its own thread, but the big news in our household is the young lad has accomplished his first poop in a toilet! Kudos to the young fellow and a new Engine to add to his growing Thomas & the Tank Engine collection. Ah, they grown up so fast. Better start saving for college now.

Political careers have started on less noteworthy accomplishments. I suggest that you get ye to a blue state and sit back and wait for the endorsements to start rolling in for your little statesman.

365 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:58:49am

re: #363 Dirk Diggler

re: #326 CapeCoddah

The word is spelled "hypocrisy".

/Pedantic ass mode off

Maybe he meant "government by horses"?

366 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:59:03am

re: #305 vxbush

Well, that's exactly what she can do. She can point out that Obama's demographic problems, failure to take the big states, etc., and get the supers to think twice.

And there's always the possibility of a scandal to break between now and the convention.

It's not like dirty tricks are foreign to politics, and do you want to be the one standing between Hillary and the nomination? I didn't think so either.

367 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:59:33am

re: #330 FrogMarch

Also---
Notice any mention of Elliott Spizter from the DNC/MSM? Nope. All gone.

And William Jefferson has disappeared as well.

368 paxnhymn  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 6:59:53am

re: #307 reloadingisnotahobby

WooHoo!
South Dakota voters say YES to a......
REFINERY!
The first in...what 35 years?
Someone actually GETS IT!

they better hurry and break ground before Obamessiah gets in office...

369 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:00:16am

re: #361 Honorary Yooper

You horrible hater!you have to have sensitivity to their culture(which is equal if not superior to ours)the people starve with smiles on their faces for the glory of the junta!


/moonbat

370 laZardo  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:00:21am

re: #296 lawhawk

I'm watching it now, mainly because I was off at school all morning. Thank [insert deity here] that YouTube is pretty responsive to picking up these things...

371 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:00:39am

re: #360 Occasional Reader

Plausible, sure. Likely? I don't think so. Do you honestly think that Obama would want Hillary scheming from day 1 as his VP?

372 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:00:42am

re: #363 Dirk Diggler

re: #326 CapeCoddah

I just love the Hippocracy.

The word is spelled "hypocrisy".

/Pedantic ass mode off

"Hippocracy" is when Mr. Ed assumes a false appearance of virtue.

373 wccawa  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:00:42am

re: #351 realwest

Wonder what would happen if we just landed anyway?

374 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:00:56am

re: #299 Kenneth

That's awesome.

375 Widow'smight  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:01:04am

re: #339 redstateredneck

But they're good for us Gardeners, they eat them there bugs.

I guess you're going to swelter again down there, supposed to rain again today. Here's sumpin my momma sent me.

A PIN DROP

When n England at a fairly large conference, Colin Powell was asked by the Archbishop of Canterbury if our plans for Iraq were just an example of empire building. He answered by saying "Over the years the US has sent many of its fine young men into great peril to fight for freedom beyond our borders. The only amount of land we have ever asked for in return is enough to bury those who did not return.
YOU COULD HAVE HEARD A PIN DROP.

Then there was a conference in France where a number of international engineers were taking part, including French and American. During a break one of the French engineers came back into the room saying, "Have you heard the latest dumb stunt Bush has done? He has sent an aircraft carrier to Indonesia to help the tsunami victims. What does he intend to do, bomb them?" A Boeing engineer stood up and replied quietly: "Our carriers have 3 hospitals on board that can treat several hundred people; they are nuclear powered and can supply emergency power to shore facilities: they have 3 cafeterias with the capacity to feed 3,000 peolple 3 meals a day; they can produce several thousand gallons of fresh water from sea water each day; and they carry half a dozen helicopters for use in transporting victims and injured. We have 11 such ships. How many does France have?
YOU COULD HAVE HEARD A PIN DROP.

A US Navy admiral was attending a naval conference that included admirals from the US, English, Canadian, Austrlaian, and French navies. At a cocktail reception he found himself standing with a large group of officers that included personnel from most of these countries. Everyone was chatting away in English as they sipped their drinks, but a French admiral suddenly conplained that whereas Europeans learn many languages, Americans learn only English. He then asked, "Why is it that we always have to speak English in these conferences rather than speaking French? Without hesitating, the American admiral replied, "Maybe it's because the Brits, Aussies, and Americans arranged it so you wouldn' have to speak German."
YOU COULD HAVE HEARD A PIN DROP.

A group of Americans, retired teachers, recently went to France on a tour. Robert Whiting, 83, arrived in Paris by plane. At French customs, he took a few minutes to locate his passport in his carryon. "You have been to France before, monsieur?" the customs officer asked sarcastically. Mr. Whiting admitted he had been to France previously. "Then you should know enough to have your passport ready." The American said, :The last time I was here, I didn't have to show it." "Impossible! Americans always have to show your passports on arrival in France." The American senior gave the Frenchman a long, hard look. The he quietly explained," Well, when I came ashore at Omaha Beach on D-ay in '44 to help liberate this country, I couldn't find any Frenchmen to show it to."
YOU COULD HAVE HEARD A PIN DROP.

A veteran--whether active duty, retired, or reserve--is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to "The United States of America" for an amount "up to and including his life."

376 zionausi  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:01:06am

John Cleese has sent a letter to the citizens of the United States of America concerning the Revocation of their Independence.

In light of your failure in recent years to nominate competent candidates for President of the USA and thus to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your independence, effective immediately.
> Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume monarchical duties over all states, commonwealths, and territories (except California, which she does not fancy).
> Your new Prime Minister, Gordon Brown , will appoint a Governor for America without the need for further elections. Congress and the Senate will be disbanded. A questionnaire may be circulated next year to determine whether any of you noticed.
> To aid in the transition to a British Crown Dependency, the following rules are introduced with immediate effect:
> You should look up "revocation" in the Oxford English Dictionary.
> 1. Then look up aluminium, and check the pronunciation guide. You will be amazed at just how wrongly you have been pronouncing it.
> 2. The letter 'U' will be reinstated in words such as 'colour', 'favour' and 'neighbour.' Likewise, you will learn to spell 'doughnut' without skipping half the letters, and the suffix 'ize' will be eliminated.
> Generally, you will be expected to raise your vocabulary to acceptable levels. (look up 'vocabulary').
> 3. Using the same twenty-seven words interspersed with filler noises such as "like" and "you know" is an unacceptable and inefficient form of communication.
> There is no such th ing as U.S. English. We will let Microsoft know on your behalf. The Microsoft spell- checker will be adjusted to take account of the reinstated letter 'u' and the elimination
of -ize.
> 4. July 4th will no longer be celebrated as a holiday.
> 5. You will learn to resolve personal issues without using guns, lawyers, or therapists. The fact that you need so many lawyers and therapists shows that you're not adult enough to be independent.
> Guns should only be handled by adults. If you're not adult enough to sort things out without suing someone or speaking to a therapist then you're not grown up enough to handle a gun.
> 6. Therefore, you will no longer be allowed to own or carry anything more dangerous than a vegetable peeler. A permit will be required if you wish to carry a vegetable peeler in public.
> 7. All intersections will be replaced with roundabouts, and you will start driving on the left with immediate effect. At the same time, you will go metric with immediate effect and without the benefit of conversion tables. Both roundabouts and metrication will help you understand the British sense of humour.
> 8. The Former USA will adopt UK prices on petrol (which you have been calling gasoline)-roughly $6/US gallon. Get used to it.
> 9. You will learn to make real chips. Those things you call French fries are not real chips, and those things you insist on calling potato chips are properly called crisps. Real chips are thick cut, fried in animal fat, and dressed not with catsup but with vinegar.
> 10. The cold tasteless stuff you insist on calling beer is not actually beer at all. Henceforth, only proper British Bitter will be referred to as beer, and European brews of known and accepted provenance will be referred to as Lager. American brands will be referred to as Near-Frozen Gnat's Urine, so that all can be sold without risk of further confusion.
> 11. Hollywood will be required occasionally to cast English actors as good guys. Hollywood will also be required to cast English actors to play English characters. Watching Andie Macdowell attempt English dialogue in Four Weddings and a Funeral was an experience akin to having one's ears removed with a cheese grater.

Continue to next comment . . .

377 zionausi  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:01:28am

> 12. You will cease playing American football. There is only one kind of proper football; you call it soccer. Those of you brave enough will, in time, be allowed to play rugby (whi ch has some similarities to American football, but does not involve stopping for a rest every twenty seconds or wearing full kevlar body armour like a bunch of nancies. Don't try Rugby - the South Africans and Kiwis will thrash you, like they regularly thrash us.
> 13. Further, you will stop playing baseball. It is not reasonable to host an event called the World Series for a game which is not played outside of America . Since only 2.1% of you are aware that there is a world beyond your borders, your error is understandable. You will learn cricket deliveries.
> 14. You must tell us who killed JFK. It's been driving us mad.
> 15. An internal revenue agent (i.e. tax collector) from Her Majesty's Government will be with you shortly to ensure the acquisition of all monies due (backdated to 1776).
> 16. Daily Tea Time begins promptly at 4 pm with proper cups, with saucers, and never mugs, with high quality biscuits (cookies) and cakes; plus strawberries (with cream) when in season.

> God save the Queen!

378 vxbush  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:01:43am

re: #366 lawhawk

Well, that's exactly what she can do. She can point out that Obama's demographic problems, failure to take the big states, etc., and get the supers to think twice.

And there's always the possibility of a scandal to break between now and the convention.

It's not like dirty tricks are foreign to politics, and do you want to be the one standing between Hillary and the nomination? I didn't think so either.

I think the bigger question now is, is she really willing to settle for the VP slot? It just seems so contrary to her "win at any cost" personality. OR may be right and this is a calculated move on her part to not concede and thus garner the VP slot, but I don't see her being comfortable with that. She can't have an ace up her sleeve or she would have already played it. So the only hope she has is to start working on the superdelegates, but many of them are so sick of the Clinton family that they probably wouldn't even meet with her.

It's just too odd.

379 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:01:51am

Pedantic asses and tigers and bears, oh my!

380 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:01:55am

re: #371 lawhawk

Plausible, sure. Likely? I don't think so. Do you honestly think that Obama would want Hillary scheming from day 1 as his VP?

I think he could feel comfortable that he could sideline her. What real power does the Veep have, if the President doesn't want him/her to have any?

381 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:02:27am

re: #307 reloadingisnotahobby

WooHoo!
South Dakota voters say YES to a......
REFINERY!
The first in...what 35 years?
Someone actually GETS IT!

Yeah, I heard that on the radio this morning. Hot damn, someone's gonna try to build one.

It's really not a bad thing in your community either. We have two. They're good paying jobs, and pay a lot in taxes to the state, county, and municipality. They also have the effect of creating an area of depressed gasoline prices near them due to reduced transportation costs. We'll take a thrid one anyday.

382 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:02:50am
383 realwest  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:02:53am

re: #361 Honorary Yooper Um, toenails? I was thinking of someplace closer to the middle of their respective bodies, myself. Those mofo's are allowing their people to die unnecessarily and what does the UN say?

*crickets*

384 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:02:53am

I spun this upstairs, but it's too funny.

Guess who The Hairy Smelly Persian Nazi Midget says is responsible for the world food crisis?

The JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS.

385 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:03:03am

re: #366 lawhawk

Well, that's exactly what she can do. She can point out that Obama's demographic problems, failure to take the big states, etc., and get the supers to think twice.

And there's always the possibility of a scandal to break between now and the convention.

It's not like dirty tricks are foreign to politics, and do you want to be the one standing between Hillary and the nomination? I didn't think so either.

So if the Michelle whitey tape exists, is Hillary saving it until just before the convention, or is she going to release it now to give the superdelegates time to change their minds?
If we don't hear it by the convention, I think we can assume it doesn't exist.

386 christheprofessor  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:03:22am

re: #362 mama winger

Mine is asleep in the cubby hole under my desk. Same foot scenario. They really are related :)

If she sleeps on the bed, is her half the

middle

half? If so, they are definitely kin....

387 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:03:26am

re: #375 Widow'smight

I'd read the last one before, but it's great to read it again.

388 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:03:41am
389 laZardo  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:03:44am
He then asked, "Why is it that we always have to speak English in these conferences rather than speaking French? Without hesitating, the American admiral replied, "Maybe it's because the Brits, Aussies, and Americans arranged it so you wouldn' have to speak German."

ZING!

390 Dirk Diggler  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:04:01am
re: #326 CapeCoddah

The word is spelled "hypocrisy".

/Pedantic ass mode off

Maybe he meant "government by horses"?

Or hippopotamuses.

391 Roger  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:04:08am

re: #380 Occasional Reader

I think he could feel comfortable that he could sideline her. What real power does the Veep have, if the President doesn't want him/her to have any?

Speaking of Dick Cheney...

392 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:04:17am

re: #266 Peacekeeper

There are a number of those secret coding thingies...but you can exclaim this way:

?!?!?!?!?! if you are really desperate.

393 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:04:45am

re: #334 wccawa
Thank you. It will be mailed in couple of weeks.
YEAH!

394 zionausi  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:04:47am

check these ads out

395 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:04:56am

re: #360 Occasional Reader

In the light of day this is looking more and more like a strategy - possibly coordinated between Barry and Hillary - to have the Dem base BEG them to get together. Barry then graciously offers the VP spot, Hillary graciously accepts, hugs all around.

Hillary will never play second fiddle to Barry. And her female supporters, who are already up in arms at her being railroaded out of town, would have bloody fits if she did.

396 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:04:59am

re: #376 zionausi

1. Then look up aluminium, and check the pronunciation guide

I'll be happy to, Mr. Cleese. In return, y'all* should note that there is no letter "f" in the word "lieutenant", and there is no good reason why "Thames" should not rhyme with "James".

_________________________________________
*Please note that we were clever enough to
figure out that English requires a second person
plural pronoun

397 vxbush  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:05:00am

re: #377 zionausi


> 16. Daily Tea Time begins promptly at 4 pm with proper cups, with saucers, and never mugs, with high quality biscuits (cookies) and cakes; plus strawberries (with cream) when in season.

Okay, I'm all for this one, as long as chocolate is also an option.

398 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:05:16am

re: #364 razorbacker

LOL!

399 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:06:17am

re: #347 savage_nation
I have no use for the church,, whatsoever. Just before my parents debacle, my sister named my husband and I godparents to our new nephew. I went to my local church, the one I had attended every Sunday as a child, baptized, first communion, and confirmation there.
I had married myself a few years prior, and moved out of town. My priest had died, and a new asshole was there. When I went to the church to obtain my records, for my nephews baptism,, He, /Father Coleman(sarc tag no mistake),(now a bishop) told me I could not have them because he had never seen me in church. I'm afraid my Italian temper got the better of me, and I told him that what he meant to say was that he had never seen my check in the collection plate. I left, called Boston, who told me that even if I had left the Catholic Church altogether, those were MY records, and to return to the church, they would be waiting for me. /Father sent his housekeeper out with them.

400 Widow'smight  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:06:22am

re: #352 mama winger

He's a very handsome dog when brushed and bathed, although the bath thing is only temporary. He'll be rolling in something stinky or jumping in the water ASAP.

401 realwest  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:06:34am

re: #373 wccawa We'd be accused of unilateral military interventionism by Obama and the UN and the French.
That's about all the downside I can think of - don't think the junta could even wound one US Troop, much less kill any of 'em.
So, yeah, I think it's World Public Opinion that we fear.

402 CIA Reject  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:06:34am

re: #326 CapeCoddah

BS. MY mother "Bought" one as well, after meeting another man, locking my dad out, and crying abandonment. Canon law, my ass.
I went to the Archdiocese to tell them the truth, but they cared only about the 10K check she handed them. I was an adult when this happened, BTW. Not a child. My dad did nothing but go to work one morning, and when he came home, found he had stepped into the twillight zone.l

Sounds like they have some real problems with the marriage Tribunal in, Boston was it? Either that or the facts of the matter were not as they appeared to you. In any case you can rest assured that you, as well as any other child born into a subsequently annulled marriage, are by no means "illegitimate".

403 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:06:36am

re: #385 Kosh's Shadow

I don't think it exists. Period. Rumor and nothing else.

That isn't to say that there aren't enough other issues to deal with, including Rezko, and still more pastor problems.

404 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:06:45am

re: #384 WriterMom

This is interesting:

President Ahmadinejad's presence in Rome has aroused protests from Jewish groups, leftwing protesters and Iranian exiles.

Really?

405 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:06:50am

re: #376 zionausi

Funny, considering that they'll be getting a letter notifying them that they'll soon be part of the Caliphate.

406 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:07:16am

re: #383 realwest

Um, toenails? I was thinking of someplace closer to the middle of their respective bodies, myself. Those mofo's are allowing their people to die unnecessarily and what does the UN say?

*crickets*

I was trying to keep it at least PG. It is a family blog after all. :-)

407 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:07:19am
408 laZardo  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:07:30am

re: #396 Occasional Reader

Don't forget the extra "i" in aluminum.

409 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:07:46am

re: #353 Shug
Shug,
I must have missed the announcement.
Congratulations to you and Mrs. Shug.

410 zionausi  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:08:26am

re: #407 buzzsawmonkey
Well its relevant now that Barack Hussein is one step closer to becoming President.

411 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:08:37am

re: #384 WriterMom

Yes, and did you read how he & Robert Mugabe agree the only way to solve the world food crisis is to have food distribution controlled by the UN? That Mugabe is such a super-genius when it comes to food & economics.

412 realwest  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:08:45am

re: #375 Widow'smight
That was just excellent! Thanks for posting that!

413 DesertSage  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:08:46am

I wonder if all the Lefties who got jacked up on Obama koolaid last night have a hangover this morning.

414 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:08:47am

re: #354 Honorary Yooper
The same man who would not listen to me..the /Honorable Cardinal Law.

415 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:09:02am

re: #385 Kosh's Shadow

So if the Michelle whitey tape exists, is Hillary saving it until just before the convention, or is she going to release it now to give the superdelegates time to change their minds?
If we don't hear it by the convention, I think we can assume it doesn't exist.

I think the tape exists, but she's probably saying, "Why'd he" instead of "Whitey".

416 Shug  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:09:03am

re: #357 savage_nation

Hey, how is the little shug anyways?


awesome

417 vxbush  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:09:05am

re: #411 Kenneth

Yes, and did you read how he & Robert Mugabe agree the only way to solve the world food crisis is to have food distribution controlled by the UN? That Mugabe is such a super-genius when it comes to food & economics.

Why am I not surprised....

418 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:09:52am
419 laZardo  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:09:56am

re: #411 Kenneth

Well, it's better than having the stingy ol' US of Amerikkka pay for it...

/massive sarc

420 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:10:28am

re: #411 Kenneth

He's such a fantastic manager of money and human resources. I think it will work out really well if he's recommending it.

421 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:10:38am

re: #376 zionausi

Given their incompetent leadership in recent years (EXCLUDING Thatcher and Blair) he should be asking the US to take over not-so-great Britain.

422 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:11:30am

re: #408 laZardo

Don't forget the extra "i" in aluminum.

That's what he mentions in the first place. And sorry, Brits, you're wrong; it was named "aluminum" by its discoverer, Sir H. Davy.

423 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:11:30am

re: #399 CapeCoddah

WTH? If you call the rectory, they are supposed to release those records to you. I had to get the baptism record from where I was baptised in Michigan. I have not been to that church since I was less than a year old, yet they simply sent the record where I needed it to go without any problems what-so-ever (no fees either).

Sounds like something stinks in the Boston Archdiocese.

424 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:11:53am

re: #355 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Im not saying that there are not annulments granted properly. I AM saying, that they can be bought when the grounds cannot be met thru canon law

425 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:12:03am
426 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:12:09am

re: #411 Kenneth

Yes, and did you read how he & Robert Mugabe agree the only way to solve the world food crisis is to have food distribution controlled by the UN? That Mugabe is such a super-genius when it comes to food & economics.

I'm sure that they'd make sure all their UN affairs are well-stocked.
If they could find anyone still producing much food.

427 christheprofessor  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:12:44am

re: #299 Kenneth

This is probably not worthy of its own thread, but the big news in our household is the young lad has accomplished his first poop in a toilet!

When my nephew was first learning that, he successfully went in the toilet and was so proud of himself that he asked my brother to leave it there so his mother could see it when she got home.

A bit later, my brother peed and instinctively flushed. Next thing you know, my nephew is bawling his littles eyes out, saying "Daddy, you flushed my turd!"

428 godfrey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:12:47am

Hello, typically greedy white people. How is our Obamanation this fine morning?

429 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:12:56am
430 realwest  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:13:16am

re: #395 galloping granny Good morning - from your lips to God's ears.
Obama/Hillary would KILL the Republican party, POUTUS and congresscritters alike.

431 DesertSage  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:13:30am

I refuse to be hauled off to the Obama re-education camps!

I will resist...forcefully! I will never be forced to become a Leftist/Fascist/Socialist!

432 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:13:56am
433 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:13:59am

re: #422 Occasional Reader

That's what he mentions in the first place. And sorry, Brits, you're wrong; it was named "aluminum" by its discoverer, Sir H. Davy.

I recall quite clearly when aluminum was aluminium here in the US as well as in the UK. And cooperative/cooperate were spelled co-operative/co-operate. Many other examples. All the "new and improved" US English has come about in about the same time period as spell check, poorly programmed by CS majors that could do calculus but did not spell well.

434 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:14:02am

re: #390 Dirk Diggler
LOL, Knew it was wrong when I typed it, spell checked it, and only got "Hippocrates" as a suggestion, so I tried to sneak by. Apologies for the laziness!

435 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:14:15am

re: #424 CapeCoddah

Im not saying that there are not annulments granted properly. I AM saying, that they can be bought when the grounds cannot be met thru canon law

If you have a corrupt leader and governing board, anything can be bought. Doesn't matter if it's clergical or secular, they still aren't following the law.

436 jamgarr  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:14:38am

re: #375 Widow'smight

Best post EVER!

437 zionausi  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:14:56am

re: #421 Kosh's Shadow
I wouldn't be too sure there. Barack Hussein might be President soon. Not to mention Carter and Clinton in recent years.

438 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:15:17am

re: #421 Kosh's Shadow

Given their incompetent leadership in recent years (EXCLUDING Thatcher and Blair) he should be asking the US to take over not-so-great Britain.

As I suspected, after reading the thing again... John Cleese did not actually write this. It's not up to his standards; not terribly clever.

439 realwest  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:15:19am

re: #406 Honorary Yooper Uh, I understand your reticence and it's true that some LGFer's have their kids hanging around the computer while they are on LGF, but I really don't think LGF is a "family blog".

440 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:15:19am

re: #434 CapeCoddah

LOL, Knew it was wrong when I typed it, spell checked it, and only got "Hippocrates" as a suggestion, so I tried to sneak by. Apologies for the laziness!

LOL! Well, hippocrates can apply to doctors. :-)

441 loppyd  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:15:56am

re: #423 Honorary Yooper

WTH? If you call the rectory, they are supposed to release those records to you. I had to get the baptism record from where I was baptised in Michigan. I have not been to that church since I was less than a year old, yet they simply sent the record where I needed it to go without any problems what-so-ever (no fees either).

Sounds like something stinks in the Boston Archdiocese.

Understatement of the decade.

LOL

Oh and Good Morning Lizard Nation!

442 The Other Les  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:16:00am

re: #430 realwest

Good morning - from your lips to God's ears.
Obama/Hillary would KILL the Republican party, POUTUS and congresscritters alike.

One round in the back of the head in the old Soviet style.

443 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:16:08am

re: #411 Kenneth

Yes, and did you read how he & Robert Mugabe agree the only way to solve the world food crisis is to have food distribution controlled by the UN? That Mugabe is such a super-genius when it comes to food & economics.

Has Obama incorporated this into his campaign yet?

444 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:16:11am

re: #439 realwest

Uh, I understand your reticence and it's true that some LGFer's have their kids hanging around the computer while they are on LGF, but I really don't think LGF is a "family blog".

Heh. I was just making a joke about LGF and PG. :-)

445 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:16:22am

re: #430 realwest

Good morning - from your lips to God's ears.
Obama/Hillary would KILL the Republican party, POUTUS and congresscritters alike.

I don't think so realwest. Most people who will not vote for Obama for POTUS won't vote for him if Hillary gets the second seat either. And an awful lot of people have real ideological problems with Obama. The dems might pull it off with a Hillary/Obama ticket, but not the other way around.

446 Former Belgian  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:16:36am

re: #300 CapeCoddah

Please dont forget that one may buy an annulment from the catholic church. Rep. Joseph Kennedy did just that, after being married for many years and having children. Wondering...does such an annulment make the children illegitimate? It must if the church takes the money and declares the marriage was never valid. I just love the Hippocracy.

No defense advocate for the RC church am I. But here are some of the grounds for annulment:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

* Consanguinity [FB: unless a dispensation was originally obtained]
* Psychological state precluding ability to consent
* No intention, when marrying, to remain faithful to the spouse (simulation of consent)
* No intention, when marrying, to have children
* Deception of one party by the other in order to obtain consent, and if the partner had been aware of the truth, would not have consented to marry
* Abduction with the intent to compel marriage (known as raptus), constitutes an impediment as long as he/she remains in the kidnapper's power. (The abduction of a man constitutes an impediment in the Eastern Church but not in the Latin church.)
* Failure to adhere to requirements of canon law for marriages, such as clandestinity [FB: ecclesiastical term meaning, in context, that valid witnesses are present]
* Impediment of Crime, bringing about physically (or through moral cooperation) the death of one's own spouse or the spouse of another, with the intention of marriage
* Undispensed lack of form

Are the children illegitimate? Depends on the grounds for annulment, I suppose, and whether those would otherwise make them illegitimate.

447 zionausi  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:17:11am

Mccain should pair up with Hillary. Then he'd get all her voter and smash Obama.

448 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:17:35am
449 paxnhymn  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:17:42am

re: #399 CapeCoddah

well, my stories about the RC would curl your hair, but, as a 10 year protestant (that's PRO-TESTIMONY not PROTESTING for you RCs out there) I am not going to start a flame war with this topic. I made a promise never to with some of my good RC friends here.

450 redstateredneck  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:17:53am

re: #433 galloping granny

All the "new and improved" US English has come about in about the same time period as spell check, poorly programmed by CS majors that could do calculus but did not spell well.


My pet peeve. Most people can't spell it, so let's just change the spelling. Spelling DOES COUNT! A misspelled word jumps off the page like it's in neon to me. Oh, and while I'm on the subject. I paid $50.00 for a half page congratulations announcement in my daughter's high school annual. They spelled diploma "dipolma". What, no spell check?

451 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:17:55am

re: #433 galloping granny

I recall quite clearly when aluminum was aluminium here in the US as well as in the UK

OED says it was originally called "aluminum", by its discoverer, 1812. Actually he used both "alumium" and "aluminum", before settling on the latter.

452 zionausi  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:18:09am

Hillary can switch parties. I don't mind her that much.

453 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:18:24am

re: #427 christheprofessor

That is too cute. The Tradgedy of the Turd...I bet they'll tell the story at his wedding.

454 realwest  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:18:58am

re: #428 godfrey Organizing, stocking up on ammo and weapons, you know, the kind of thing us "Neo-Cons" have been accused of doing for years now".

455 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:19:01am

re: #451 Occasional Reader

OED
says it was originally called "aluminum", by its discoverer, 1812.
Actually he used both "alumium" and "aluminum", before settling on the
latter.

Why not "Davium", named after its discoverer?

456 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:19:03am

re: #429 savage_nation
It takes a LOT Savage it set off my temper, and I mean a LOT. But, once you have accomplished that, it is best to get the hell out of the way.

457 laZardo  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:19:21am

re: #449 paxnhymn, Capecodder

I could go on about the Filipino Catholic Church (and other "born again"/"Christian") denominations here for hours.

/or in this case, whole threads.

458 razorbacker  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:19:43am

I see from another blog that a survey has been conducted regarding ass size and women.

Ten percent think their ass is too skinny.

Thirty percent think their ass is too fat.

Sixty percent say the size of their ass makes no difference. He's their man, they love him just as he is, and it's really none of your business.

459 christheprofessor  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:19:48am

re: #432 savage_nation

We laughed for days over that one.... The little turd's an obnoxious 17-year old now...

460 paxnhymn  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:20:40am

re: #457 laZardo

I could go on about the Filipino Catholic Church (and other "born again"/"Christian") denominations here for hours.

/or in this case, whole threads.


yeah, it does nothing but marginalize, so what's the use?

461 redstateredneck  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:20:42am

re: #458 razorbacker

I love that one.
:D

462 vxbush  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:20:48am

re: #449 paxnhymn

well, my stories about the RC would curl your hair, but, as a 10 year protestant (that's PRO-TESTIMONY not PROTESTING for you RCs out there) I am not going to start a flame war with this topic. I made a promise never to with some of my good RC friends here.

And I could do the same with some of the protestant churches I've been in but have since left. Sin is not limited to just one particular branch of religion.

463 Endangered in MASS  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:21:31am

re: #354 Honorary Yooper

Cardinal Law, the lobster fattened cleric, should be in jail.

464 godfrey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:21:31am

re: #446 Former Belgian

Can. 1137 Children who are conceived or born of a valid or of a putative marriage are legitimate.

465 phoenixgirl  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:21:32am

re: #459 christheprofessor

well, a cure for that, is to continuously bring that story up in front of his friends

466 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:21:39am

re: #451 Occasional Reader

OED says it was originally called "aluminum", by its discoverer, 1812. Actually he used both "alumium" and "aluminum", before settling on the latter.

Perhaps so - I am only a chemist, not a chemical historian. Nonetheless, aluminum was correctly spelled "aluminium" in the USA through the early 60s, when I was learning to spell the thing from my English major mother and spending my teen years proofreading.

These days I spend inordinate amounts of time trying to explain to an 11 year old why co-operate is spelled like it says "coop - erate".

467 realwest  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:21:57am

re: #441 {loppyd} Hey there, good morning good looking! How are you doing today?

468 loppyd  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:22:12am

re: #463 Endangered in MASS

Cardinal Law, the lobster fattened cleric, should be in jail.

Yet he lives like a king in Rome with a staff of 70.

469 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:22:15am

re: #455 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Why not "Davium", named after its discoverer?

Or "lawnfurniturite", just to settle the thing.

(Of course the Brits would insist on calling it "lawnfurnituriite or something)

470 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:22:15am
471 godfrey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:22:21am

I could go on about RC churches for hours, too. Positively.

472 paxnhymn  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:22:32am

re: #462 vxbush


exactly. see my 460

473 redstateredneck  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:22:52am

re: #458 razorbacker

That reminds me...my husband's SIL was having some "rectal issues", so he called her on the phone and asked her, "How's your ass hole?"; to which she replied, "You ought to know, I'm talkin' to him."
;-)

474 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:22:59am
475 JeremyR  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:23:13am

re: #291 savage_nation

I'm good. Better than yesterday. Texas DPS pulled me over and gave me a warning ticket. Driving 62 in a 60 zone.

I wasnt gonna argue with a trooper who is 6'8" with a Michelle Obama scowl, nope!

Also there is ther matter of accuracy. Its insane to expect that a speedometer is accurate to within two miles per hour. The best thing to do with htat is send a copy to the American Automobile Association. Abilene Kansas made their NOT RECOMMENDED list for doing that several years ago. Cost the city far more in tourist revenue then they made in fines and court costs. When that happens the AAA discount gets jerked for hotels and resturants meaning that folks get a big hint to move on, nothing to see here.
When I was a cop, many departments told their officers that if they wrote tickets for mundane ammounts, that the radar was going in the storage shed. Back then, radar was plus or minus two MPH, and we didn't expect vehicles to be any more accurate.

476 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:23:26am
477 JustMyView  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:23:50am

Obama speaking at AIPAC on Fox right now.

478 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:23:58am

re: #469 Occasional Reader

Or "lawnfurniturite", just to settle the thing.

(Of course the Brits would insist on calling it "lawnfurnituriite or something)

I think the Brits spell "lawn" "lauwn." For some damn reason, my computer's internal dictionary is set to U.K. English, so everytime I do a spell check on a document, it keeps suggesting that I add an extra u to everything!

479 godfrey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:24:09am

re: #475 JeremyR

Its insane to expect that a speedometer is accurate to within two miles per hour.

Why?

480 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:24:12am
481 loppyd  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:24:43am

re: #477 JustMyView

Obama speaking at AIPAC on Fox right now.

barf bag, please....

482 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:24:44am

re: #450 redstateredneck

My pet peeve. Most people can't spell it, so let's just change the spelling. Spelling DOES COUNT! A misspelled word jumps off the page like it's in neon to me. Oh, and while I'm on the subject. I paid $50.00 for a half page congratulations announcement in my daughter's high school annual. They spelled diploma "dipolma". What, no spell check?

Maybe diploma was not in the spell-check. Well over 3/4 of the words the bloody computer tells me that I have spelled incorrectly it does not even contain. And that is before I write the first technical sentence in any of the sciences.

483 Onslow  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:24:45am
484 infidelia  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:24:45am

re: #441 loppyd

Understatement of the decade.

LOL

Oh and Good Morning Lizard Nation!

Loppy! Go check out the Square next time you get a chance. "Outlaw Sharia" stickers all over the place. So far they haven't peeled any off, I think because nobody knows what the hell "sharia" is.

Also pleased to announce that same can be said for the immediate area of Harvard Square. Which, by the way, now features an asshat who sits there for hours with a 9/11 Troofer sign.

485 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:24:47am
486 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:24:59am

Ah, and another thing, Brits. On the matter of how to pronounce the prefix "anti-"; we're right, you're wrong. It's a Greek prefix. The Greeks say "ANT-ee", like we do, not "ant-EYE".

487 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:25:09am
488 Iron Fist  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:25:24am

re: #371 lawhawk

Were I him, I'd be worried that Hillary! was planning his assisted suicide from day 1. A Hillary! VP is sure to give the Secret Service ulcers.

489 loppyd  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:25:29am

re: #487 ploome hineni

watching Obama?

hell no.

490 christheprofessor  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:25:32am

re: #453 WriterMom

That is too cute. The Tradgedy of the Turd...I bet they'll tell the story at his wedding.

Heh. A toast to the Tragic Turd!

491 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:25:50am
492 Sizzlack  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:25:54am

Obama first said his grandfather, then said his great uncle....which one is it Barack?

493 zionausi  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:26:16am

re: #478 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
No. It's spelt lawn in English.

494 CIA Reject  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:26:21am

re: #424 CapeCoddah

Im not saying that there are not annulments granted properly. I AM saying, that they can be may have been bought in the Archdiocese of Boston. when the grounds cannot be met thru canon law

Please do not generalize from your specific unfortunate experiences or insinuate that annulments can be or are granted improperly everywhere when you do not know the full details of the specific case(s).

/Thank you!

495 JustMyView  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:26:34am

re: #492 Sizzlack

Obama first said his grandfather, then said his great uncle....which one is it Barack?

It's both. They both fought in WWII.

496 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:26:38am

re: #446 Former Belgian

No defense advocate for the RC church am I. But here are some of the grounds for annulment:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

* Consanguinity [FB: unless a dispensation was originally obtained]
* Psychological state precluding ability to consent
* No intention, when marrying, to remain faithful to the spouse (simulation of consent)
* No intention, when marrying, to have children
* Deception of one party by the other in order to obtain consent, and if the partner had been aware of the truth, would not have consented to marry
* Abduction with the intent to compel marriage (known as raptus), constitutes an impediment as long as he/she remains in the kidnapper's power. (The abduction of a man constitutes an impediment in the Eastern Church but not in the Latin church.)
* Failure to adhere to requirements of canon law for marriages, such as clandestinity [FB: ecclesiastical term meaning, in context, that valid witnesses are present]
* Impediment of Crime, bringing about physically (or through moral cooperation) the death of one's own spouse or the spouse of another, with the intention of marriage
* Undispensed lack of form

Are the children illegitimate? Depends on the grounds for annulment, I suppose, and whether those would otherwise make them illegitimate.

There also used to be the "Pauline privilege", for cases of one or both of the spouses committing adultery.

497 redstateredneck  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:26:42am

re: #491 ploome hineni

NAUSEATING

he is retelling the nazi camp story

/spit

Has he got the right camp this time?

498 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:26:53am

re: #402 CIA Reject
Thanks CIA, but I really could not care less about legitimacy. My tax returns tell me im perfectly legitimate, and that I do, in fact exist. It was what was done to my dad, who I have never once in my life heard raise his voice, never raised his hand, was never anything but a quiet, honest, hardworking man. Not "Fun" enough for my Mother, who is very mercenary any way. I did not misunderstand the situation, and it was not just me who went to Cardinal Law. Her mother, my grandmother went too.

499 loppyd  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:26:57am

Clinton's backers can't believe candidacy may come to end


But mostly there was anger, as the mainly female supporters blamed the media, sexism, Obama - everything but the New York senator - as they bemoaned the failure of the most successful presidential female candidate in history to clinch the nomination.

"I feel very upset. I really feel that Hillary Clinton has been pushed out of the race. I don't think the media would push out a male candidate," said Sally Regenhard, who described her age as baby boomer.

Lynn Forester DuRothschild, 54, and sporting several Hillary Clinton buttons, said women would not simply accept Obama as their candidate - and might vote for Senator McCain of Arizona. "There is one man who's going to claim the presidency and get women [to vote for him], but it's not going to be Barack Obama," she said.

500 Widow'smight  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:27:03am

re: #412 realwest

You're welcome sir. Did you say you live near Charlotte, NC? We should be in that area Saturday June 14th, going from North Topsail Island to TN.

501 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:27:03am

re: #478 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I think the Brits spell "lawn" "lauwn." For some damn reason, my computer's internal dictionary is set to U.K. English, so everytime I do a spell check on a document, it keeps suggesting that I add an extra u to everything!

Whoever wrote that programme should be in gaol!

502 godfrey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:27:05am

re: #491 ploome hineni

Retelling it for the record, this time. To the Memory Hole with the older versions?

503 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:27:08am
504 realwest  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:27:40am

HEY - have any of y'all seen Miss Trixie out here lately? Or Aussiemagpie?

505 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:27:40am

re: #478 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I think the Brits spell "lawn" "lauwn." For some damn reason, my computer's internal dictionary is set to U.K. English, so everytime I do a spell check on a document, it keeps suggesting that I add an extra u to everything!

Only to things like color, flavor, favor, neighborhood - anywhere you find "or" in US English it is "our" in all the rest of the English speaking world.

506 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:27:42am
507 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:27:44am

re: #492 Sizzlack

Obama first said his grandfather, then said his great uncle....which one is it Barack?

Maybe his great uncle WAS his grandfather...

[shudder]

508 Sizzlack  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:28:12am

re: #495 JustMyView

It's both. They both fought in WWII.

Yea but in his story he started off by making it about his grandpa, and then all of a sudden it was his great uncle. It doesn't matter if they both fought, he is blending the two of them together to make a fictional person.

509 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:28:25am
510 loppyd  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:28:27am

re: #491 ploome hineni

NAUSEATING

he is retelling the nazi camp story

/spit

The "right" one this time?

Has he told his Farrakhan story yet?

511 godfrey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:28:32am

re: #505 galloping granny

So the abbreviation of OR should now be "OUR"? Blimey.

512 laZardo  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:28:36am

re: #483 Onslow

SPIES OF TEH EMPIER!111

/where's a triple facepalm when you need it?

513 redstateredneck  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:28:42am

re: #504 realwest

HEY - have any of y'all seen Miss Trixie out here lately? Or Aussiemagpie?

Not in ages.

514 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:28:45am

re: #507 Occasional Reader

Hmm. What the heck went on in that attic?

515 Former Belgian  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:28:47am

re: #455 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

"Why not Davium, after its discoverer?"

Aluminum was actually named after alum (aluminum potassium sulfate), which was then known for some time.

There is a tradition that chemical elements are not named after still living people. There is only one exception: element 106 was named Seaborgium while Glenn Seaborg (discoverer of many of the transuranic elements) was still alive, because he just refused to die :-)

516 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:28:48am

re: #475 JeremyR

Also there is ther matter of accuracy. Its insane to expect that a speedometer is accurate to within two miles per hour. The best thing to do with htat is send a copy to the American Automobile Association. Abilene Kansas made their NOT RECOMMENDED list for doing that several years ago. Cost the city far more in tourist revenue then they made in fines and court costs. When that happens the AAA discount gets jerked for hotels and resturants meaning that folks get a big hint to move on, nothing to see here.
When I was a cop, many departments told their officers that if they wrote tickets for mundane ammounts, that the radar was going in the storage shed. Back then, radar was plus or minus two MPH, and we didn't expect vehicles to be any more accurate.

Sixty-two?!? Talk about a hard-ass. Was this on an Interstate, US highway, FM, or what?

517 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:28:50am
518 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:29:04am

re: #510 loppyd

LOLOL. That's for dessert!

519 loppyd  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:29:21am

re: #504 realwest

HEY - have any of y'all seen Miss Trixie out here lately? Or Aussiemagpie?

or Black George Bush?

or MusicMan?

520 christheprofessor  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:29:29am

re: #465 phoenixgirl

well, a cure for that, is to continuously bring that story up in front of his friends

Very true.

Funny how time could morph that adorable little boy into an obnoxious 17-year old turd himself...

521 nyc redneck  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:29:30am

good morning everyone.

did she quit yet?

anyway, i was rolling down the road the other day and came up behind an old truck w/ a bush/cheney '04 bumper sticker on the back. what a novelty.
i pulled around, wondering who could be driving this rig.
there was an old man in a plaid shirt, both hands on the wheel, staring straight ahead. next to him was a delicate gray headed woman in a straw hat.
i smiled to myself and went around them. it gladdened my heart.
they didn't look like bitter clingy americans. they looked like a norman rockwell painting in my rear view mirror.

b,o, has no idea these people are the backbone of america and they won't be voting for him.

522 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:29:39am
523 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:29:47am
524 JustMyView  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:30:10am

re: #508 Sizzlack

Yea but in his story he started off by making it about his grandpa, and then all of a sudden it was his great uncle. It doesn't matter if they both fought, he is blending the two of them together to make a fictional person.

Why do you say that? He simply mentioned both of them. This morning, he didn't particularly tell a story about either of them. He just said they had served during that era.

525 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:30:14am

Actually, there is a good Daniel Pipes on this. Obama has to pull out all his very fancy flashy SOME OF MY BEST FRIENDS ARE JOOOOOOOS cards, but McCain actually speaks about the existential threats facing Israel...I'll find it. It was in the Post today.

526 Former Belgian  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:30:21am

re: #477 JustMyView

Obama speaking at AIPAC on Fox right now.

Let me guess: he'll claim his Kenyan uncle fought in the Israeli War of Independence?

/On the Arab side?

527 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:30:52am

re: #497 redstateredneck

Has he got the right camp this time?

Didn't he claim Auschwitz and then Birkenau? And aren't those both in Poland? Where there were absolutely NO US troops, liberating or otherwise. . . . . . . . unless perhaps dear old Grandad was actually a Russian commie who "immigrated" to the US.

528 Widow'smight  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:30:54am

re: #436 jamgarr

You'll have to thank my Mom, although when they told her she had a 9lb 15 oz healthy baby boy, she cried cause she wanted another girl.

She's glad she had a boy, although she forgets my name

529 JeremyR  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:31:19am

re: #479 godfrey

Why?

Tire wear. plain and simple.

530 realwest  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:31:21am

re: #481 loppyd Um, didja see my #467?! Hmmmmm?!

531 loppyd  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:31:27am

re: #509 buzzsawmonkey

I guess not that many women feel drawn to Michelle Obama's Perpetual Scowl of the Incompetent Supervisor™.

ROFL!

She could drop Obama with one blow to the solar plexus.

532 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:31:28am
533 infidelia  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:31:38am

re: #474 savage_nation

When I was about 4 and my brother was 2, we had a little inflatable pool in the backyard. We also had a rotisserie grill and if you ever look closely, the tip of the spit is octagon-shaped. So my brother got a hold of the spit and punched a bunch of holes in the pool and all the water drained out. So of course I ran in the house to tell on him and Mom came out and asked my brother what happened and he told her, "a bee got it".

Mom said she almost didnt make it in the house without roaring with laughter!

If we're doing Little Brother stories, top this. Mine is 2 years younger than me. When we were preschoolers my dad was transfered to Okinawa for a couple of years. Meanwhile my maternal grandfather used to visit on weekends.

One morning my mom came out into the front hall just in time to hear my brother announce to the mailman that he had two daddies. One was in Okinawa and one came on weekends.

534 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:31:44am
535 jamgarr  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:31:50am

re: #469 Occasional Reader


Or "lawnfurniturite", just to settle the thing.

Beercanium?

536 Sizzlack  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:32:03am

re: #524 JustMyView

Why do you say that? He simply mentioned both of them. This morning, he didn't particularly tell a story about either of them. He just said they had served during that era.

You are not paying attention..he absolutely did just retell the story. I have it on my DVR. It started off talking about his grandpa from Kansas never thinking he might go to Europe but then fighting in WW2, and then all of a sudden it was his uncle the story was about. He has told this tale before and screwed it up, and just did so again. I have a problem with that.

537 godfrey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:32:18am

re: #529 JeremyR

Put an optical sensor on the axle.

538 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:32:19am

re: #511 godfrey

So the abbreviation of OR should now be "OUR"? Blimey.

No British spelling for me; my teeth are too good.

539 redstateredneck  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:32:30am

re: #515 Former Belgian

Aluminum was actually named after alum (aluminum potassium sulfate), which was then known for some time.


Isn't it made from bauxite? Why not call it bauxinium?

540 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:32:30am
541 infidelia  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:32:32am

re: #489 loppyd

hell no.

Another reason to rejoice at having given up TV 4 years ago.

542 realwest  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:32:41am

re: #519 loppyd Not to mention my #467 - again!

543 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:32:50am
544 JeremyR  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:32:52am

re: #485 savage_nation

Well, this happened on FM1530 outside of Greenville TX. That town is a real dump, I doubt they get many visitors to be honest.

Was it a state trooper or a local?

545 jcm  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:33:00am

BHO at AIPAC.

I will not throw Israel under the bus!
(at least while I'm pandering for your votes)

Morning all.

546 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:33:00am

re: #519 loppyd

or Black George Bush?

or MusicMan?

Haven't seen BGB in awhile. I would imagine the whole Obama and black nationalism stuff makes him feel a little awkward.

547 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:33:03am

re: #479 godfrey

Why?

Because there are variations in the road surfaces, cable between the speedometer and the wheels (or electronic sensor on newer vehicles), tire pressure, tire wear, etc. Even a difference in tire size can cause a variation that adds error. All of these variations add up. IIRC, speedometers need to be accurate within 5%, but that is legislated. Usually, it's closer to 10% in the real world.

Then radar is subject to the Doppler effect.

/For our British friends, it's a "tire" with an "i", not a "y".

548 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:33:10am
549 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:33:22am

re: #476 savage_nation
LOL, my cients pay me WAY too much to ever offend me or piss me off. Even the Moonbats, which, now that I think about it are not many among my clientele.

550 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:33:30am
551 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:33:37am

re: #526 Former Belgian

Obama's uncle helped liberate Temple Mount in 1967. He still won't come down from the attic.

552 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:33:49am
553 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:33:55am

re: #536 Sizzlack

Can you send a clip to Charles-I'd LOVE to see that again...

554 realwest  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:34:18am

re: #521 nyc redneck
"b,o, has no idea these people are the backbone of america and they won't be voting for him." And he doesn't care, because they don't represent CHANGE!
Also they're White.

555 loppyd  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:34:24am

re: #484 infidelia

Loppy! Go check out the Square next time you get a chance. "Outlaw Sharia" stickers all over the place. So far they haven't peeled any off, I think because nobody knows what the hell "sharia" is.

Also pleased to announce that same can be said for the immediate area of Harvard Square. Which, by the way, now features an asshat who sits there for hours with a 9/11 Troofer sign.

Hell's Bells you have been busy!

I am heading to the Square later if I get out of here at a decent hour. A, I still looking in the WF lot?

A 9/11 Troofer in Harvard Square? Shocking! That was where my car was vandalized and my Bush Cheney '04 sticker was torn off.

556 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:34:29am

re: #545 jcm

Read the Daniel Pipes linky I just posted.

557 Karridine  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:34:35am

re: #532 buzzsawmonkey

Well, BuzzSaw, Obama will have to wriggle through THIS!

558 laZardo  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:34:46am

re: #499 loppyd

Lynn Forester DuRothschild, 54, and sporting several Hillary Clinton buttons...

So that's why so many Paultards jumped to the Obama campaign.

559 rw in san diego  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:34:49am

Good morning, all.

I'm listening to Obama's speech before AIPAC. I'm just not able to believe a word he's saying when I consider the advisors he's chosen. This Jew just isn't that stupid.

560 nyc redneck  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:34:55am

re: #532 buzzsawmonkey

I think he is hoping that enough of America's backbone has been replaced by a flexible prosthesis to allow him to wriggle through.

well, enough of his bland hopin'
he is such a boring scarecrow.

561 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:34:58am

re: #533 infidelia

OHMYGAWD....

562 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:35:26am

re: #559 rw in san diego

Is it live streamed?

Linky?

563 alegrias  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:35:28am

Oddly enough,

The newbie Senator from Illinois has also pandered shamelessly to Palestinian "Liberation" people for years, and accepted their support.

(Twenty year career in militancy)

Some pro PLO guy yesterday was on Fox News saying how much time they spent together back in the day.

564 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:35:35am

re: #547 Honorary Yooper

Then radar is subject to the Doppler effect.

If you've been driving fast enough to produce an appreciable Doppler shift in radar, I definitely want to drive what you're driving!

565 godfrey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:35:37am

re: #538 Occasional Reader

Is it genetic? Lack of fluoride? Which country has the best teeth?

566 Sizzlack  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:35:40am

re: #553 WriterMom

Can you send a clip to Charles-I'd LOVE to see that again...

I duno how to put the clip on my computer but I will write here what he said...give me a min

567 loppyd  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:35:43am

re: #542 {realwest}

Not to mention my #467 - again!

Just saw it, Handsome!

I'm good!

How's by you?

568 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:35:46am

re: #528 Widow'smight

You'll have to thank my Mom, although when they told her she had a 9lb 15 oz healthy baby boy, she cried cause she wanted another girl.

She's glad she had a boy, although she forgets my name

The forgetting the name thing isn't because you are a boy rather than a girl, it is because of the number of children. Ask mine, who more than once have been called "whichever kid you are!" in a moment of frustration. They are all still incensed in their 30s that I do not recall all of their individual food dislikes. I keep telling them that I gave up caring what they didn't like when the combined list got so long it was impossible to cook a meal.

569 JeremyR  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:36:09am

re: #537 godfrey

Put an optical sensor on the axle.

Checking periodically with a stop watch is cheaper and easier. any sensor is subject to damage.
Most cops with a head square on their shoulders know to make allowances, and many are too busy to bother with a minor speed infraction since in most cases, a variance of five miles is not a real danger, and that is what speed laws boil down to.

570 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:36:15am

re: #550 savage_nation

Dept of Public Safety.

Officer "Tex" Robespierre.

571 rw in san diego  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:36:19am

re: #562 WriterMom

I'm listening to it on Fox.

572 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:36:23am
573 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:36:29am

re: #482 galloping granny

Maybe
diploma was not in the spell-check. Well over 3/4 of the words the
bloody computer tells me that I have spelled incorrectly it does not
even contain. And that is before I write the first technical sentence
in any of the sciences.

My college yearbook misspelled the name of the college on the cover & throughout the pages!

574 jcm  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:36:35am

re: #544 JeremyR

Was it a state trooper or a local?

Back in the early 70's a scandal broke about a little town in Utah on one of the highways leading into Nevada. Seems the police were paid on commission.

The year the story broke the Chief of Police made a couple of million.

575 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:37:03am

re: #550 savage_nation

Dept of Public Safety.

Heh, Department of Pubic Safety is more like it.

576 CIA Reject  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:37:05am

re: #498 CapeCoddah

Thanks CIA, but I really could not care less about legitimacy. My tax returns tell me im perfectly legitimate, and that I do, in fact exist. It was what was done to my dad, who I have never once in my life heard raise his voice, never raised his hand, was never anything but a quiet, honest, hardworking man. Not "Fun" enough for my Mother, who is very mercenary any way. I did not misunderstand the situation, and it was not just me who went to Cardinal Law. Her mother, my grandmother went too.

Was it your mother or your father who filed the petition? I ask because a similar situation happened to Mrs. Reject who was abandoned by her ex. There's a long story there, including a 27 month wait for an anulment but it had a happy ending. My main concern for you and others in that and similar circumstances in the Church is that they don't "Throw the baby out with the bathwater". I don't think we need to continue here but if you want to email me please do.

/God Bless!

577 loppyd  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:37:13am

re: #546 Ward Cleaver

Haven't seen BGB in awhile. I would imagine the whole Obama and black nationalism stuff makes him feel a little awkward.

I hope not, but I would understand.

BGB if you're lurking please know you are missed!

578 realwest  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:37:25am

re: #546 Ward Cleaver
Hi Ward! I dunno - BGB didn't strike me as the "shrinking violet type" but maybe you're right.
But what about Miss Trixie, Musicman and AussieMagpie?!

579 JustMyView  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:37:28am

re: #536 Sizzlack

You are not paying attention..he absolutely did just retell the story. I have it on my DVR. It started off talking about his grandpa from Kansas never thinking he might go to Europe but then fighting in WW2, and then all of a sudden it was his uncle the story was about. He has told this tale before and screwed it up, and just did so again. I have a problem with that.

You are partly right. He told the story, but there was no confusion. He said that his grandfather served in WWII, and so did his great-uncle. Then he went on to tell the story of his great-uncle. I replayed it, so I got it straight.

580 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:37:37am

re: #536 Sizzlack

You are not paying attention..he absolutely did just retell the story. I have it on my DVR. It started off talking about his grandpa from Kansas never thinking he might go to Europe but then fighting in WW2, and then all of a sudden it was his uncle the story was about. He has told this tale before and screwed it up, and just did so again. I have a problem with that.

Can you get it up on YouTube?

581 redstateredneck  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:37:51am

re: #527 galloping granny

re: #568 galloping granny


My mom would run through the whole litany of names including the dog's name when she was talking to one of us kids.

582 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:38:08am

re: #538 Occasional Reader

ROFL. So true. British teeth are ahhh, errrr....astounding!

583 rw in san diego  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:38:13am

Obama's going to cut off the smuggling of weapons into Gaza. Yeah, and I've got a bridge in northern California I can sell to you...cheap.

584 Karridine  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:38:19am

re: #573 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

You shoont cricize other people there mistakes, Monkey, until you're prefect like me!

/so there :D

585 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:38:20am
586 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:38:21am

re: #494 CIA Reject
The Annulment was BOUGHT, I was there when she wrote the check. Please do not insult my intelligence pertaining to what happened before my very eyes. I am on of the most optimistic people out there, and as my husband says, way too trusting. There were no legitimate grounds for the annulment. The judge in the divorce thought my mother was "less than truthful", this from a liberal Mass judge, who always favor the wife.

587 laZardo  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:38:38am

re: #540 savage_nation

I wish we would rescind that Carter era thing to keep heads of state from being wacked. If I were POTUS, I'd send hit squads to the homes of Ahmedinijad, Mugabe, lil Kim, the Burmese rulers, and everyone that pulls shit like this.

Could be done inside of 48 hrs if the logistics are good.

If it's true what they once said that the FBI/CIA/BIG EVIL JOOO CONSPRAIYC technology we see in movies is already 10 years out of date, then what I'm seeing in video games today sounds promising.

588 redstateredneck  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:38:40am

Granny, disregard that 527 reference. I made a little boo boo.

589 godfrey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:38:42am

My country, teeth of thee
treat with flouridity...

590 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:38:49am

re: #564 Occasional Reader

If you've been driving fast enough to produce an appreciable Doppler shift in radar, I definitely want to drive what you're driving!

May have gotten the name of the effect wrong, but paint color and light absorbtion play a role in radar readings as well. Only a few mph at most, but there is a difference.

591 realwest  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:38:55am

re: #567 loppyd I be doing ok, thanks! Glad to hear you're ok and still with us, too!

592 jcm  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:39:00am

re: #556 WriterMom

Read the Daniel Pipes linky I just posted.

He doth protest to much.

593 loppyd  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:39:03am

re: #570 Occasional Reader

Officer "Tex" Robespierre.

and Tex... well, I don't remember where Tex come from. ...

/Forrest Gump

594 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:39:06am
595 Sizzlack  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:39:21am

Ahh I had missed his subtle pause in between his grandfather and great uncle. It still sounds ridiculous to me but at least he did pause to differentiate between the two.

596 Karridine  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:39:38am

re: #583 rw in san diego

Is that the deep orange one somebody left strung out over so much water?

597 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:39:46am

heh...Israel does NOT have parters who are committed to the goal

This guy is clueless.

598 Clemente  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:39:59am

BHO: "...A Palestinian state that is continuous..."

WTF?

599 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:40:07am

re: #575 Honorary Yooper

Heh, Department of Pubic Safety is more like it.

No - not another penis thread!

600 razorbacker  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:40:10am

I've seen several posters saying that they're gonna buy guns and ammo in preperation for...well...whatever.

I'd like to make a suggestion. Don't buy them from the retailer yourself. Paper trail, you know. Far better to have someone buy it for you, especially if they're good enough friends as to say, "Some lowlife stole it" if anyone comes asking around.

For some time now, if anyone asks what I'd like for Christmas, Father's Day, birthday, etc. the answer has been ammo. Caliber and manufacterer specified. For the clueless I'll even give the UPC code and least expensive retailer. I know the purists insist on fresh ammo, but I don't think freshness is so very important with quality, metal or plastic cased ammo. Paper shot shells are another matter.

601 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:40:18am
602 alegrias  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:40:34am

re: #583 rw in san diego

Obama's going to cut off the smuggling of weapons into Gaza. Yeah, and I've got a bridge in northern California I can sell to you...cheap.

* * *
He'll deliver the stuff to Hamas himself!

But go to Iraq? Naw naw naw.

603 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:40:40am
604 loppyd  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:40:42am

re: #583 rw in san diego

Obama's going to cut off the smuggling of weapons into Gaza. Yeah, and I've got a bridge in northern California I can sell to you...cheap.

HOW? By asking them nicely? He is either stupid or naive or lying.

605 laZardo  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:40:47am

re: #599 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

There's only an hour and twenty minutes left in Hump Day where I am, might as well savour the moment.

606 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:40:52am
607 christheprofessor  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:40:52am

re: #500 Widow'smight

You're welcome sir. Did you say you live near Charlotte, NC? We should be in that area Saturday June 14th, going from North Topsail Island to TN.

Topsail's not too far from me -- perhaps we can get together...

608 redstateredneck  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:40:56am

re: #601 buzzsawmonkey

You are so good.
:D

609 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:41:05am

re: #581 redstateredneck

re: #568 galloping granny


My mom would run through the whole litany of names including the dog's name when she was talking to one of us kids.

Yup - immediately before "whichever kid you are!"

Some silly woman with no children once thought I was the most abusive human being in the universe because I counted my children (and all the neighbors I dragged along) at the beach . . . . . .

610 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:41:09am

re: #581 redstateredneck

re: #568 galloping granny


My mom would run through the whole litany of names including the dog's name when she was talking to one of us kids.

OMG! My Mom still does that sometimes! The dog's been dead for 10 years, too!

611 loppyd  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:41:10am

re: #598 Clemente

BHO: "...A Palestinian state that is continuous..."

WTF?

continuously attacking Israel.

612 redstateredneck  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:41:32am

Off to the dentist.
Later.

613 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:41:35am

re: #598 Clemente


BHO: "...A Palestinian state that is continuous..."

WTF?

He said "contiguous". The usual formulation is a highway corridor between Gaza & the West Bank.

614 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:41:39am

re: #565 godfrey

Is it genetic? Lack of fluoride? Which country has the best teeth?

I think it's mostly cultural. It's become much more ingrained in the American psyche to take care of your teeth than in most countries.

Which country has the best teeth... no idea. Not Japan!

615 loppyd  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:41:48am

re: #610 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

OMG! My Mom still does that sometimes! The dog's been dead for 10 years, too!

Mine too!

616 rw in san diego  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:41:51am

re: #604 loppyd

I'd go with lying and pandering.

617 tfc3rid  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:41:53am

Good morning everyone!

So, last night was the first time I really listened to a BHO speech... Yikes... This guy is a narcissist of the highest order... In addiiton, he has absolutely nothing to bring to the table...

That said, I think he has a tremendous chance to win... The way the media swooned all over his empty rhetoric last night... We know the power the media has over the lock steppers and they can play the Obama as savior role for the next 6 months... I think they will try and paint John McCain as too old, too out of touch and make him look foolish... They will paint Obama as a soaring leader, full of great ideas and charisma...

Charisma also brought us Bill Clinton...

618 JeremyR  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:41:54am

re: #550 savage_nation

Dept of Public Safety.

What! is the guy hoping they make a super troopers Texas version?

Wadda Maroon. maybe, if it was back raods, he was bored out of his skull. Possibly looking for contraband smugglers. Check and see how you act, make up an excuse and let you go sort of thing.
We had a Trooper in the Topeka district who used to pull people and simply ask if they had any contraband and if he could search their vehicle. He had the highest number of drug busts in the state for six years.
A judge asked him his formula and if he was profiling, he siad that after releasing one, he would time off five minuts, and if there were no speeders in that time, pull the next car. His radio log confirmed his routine. He always told people exactly what it was about and never gave a BS excuse though.

619 wccawa  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:41:58am

re: #574 jcm

My other good cop story comes from Utah, actually ... in the Four Corners region.

It's around 9pm, and I'm driving back to Colorado for my sister's wedding. A county cop pulls me over, tells me I was speeding, but when I ask by how much, doesn't tell me. He asks permission to search my car, which I give, not wanting to wait there all night for a warrant. He then proceeds to pull EVERYTHING out of my car onto the ground, going as far as looking intently into my ashtray with that big ol' flashlight. He must have spent five minutes looking just at that.

I, of course, was not allowed to be near him, having to stand back by his patrol car with cop #2.

Much later, he comes back, sez "you're free to go," then the daring duo take off, leaving me to pick up all my stuff from the shoulder and put it back in the car. No ticket, no warning, no nuthin'.

This was around 1996... San Juan County, Utah, between Bluff and Montezuma Creek.

620 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:42:00am

This oughta be good..."willful mischaracterizations of my position"

621 jcm  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:42:01am

re: #594 savage_nation

Actually he was a 6'8" typical white dude. And arrogant.

How DARE YOU speed on HIS ROAD!
You truckers just have to learn you place!
/////

622 loppyd  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:42:06am

re: #612 redstateredneck

Off to the dentist.
Later.

so solly.

623 Widow'smight  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:42:08am

re: #568 galloping granny

We have fun with it, she goes through her brother's name, my dad's name, my nephew's name, then "Whatever your name is". Funny thing is, I'm her only son and I'm named after her Father.

Lots of stuff blooming done here!

624 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:42:10am
625 realwest  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:42:20am

re: #604 loppyd I dibs lying.

626 Spider Mensch  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:42:26am

re: #568 galloping granny

The forgetting the name thing isn't because you are a boy rather than a girl, it is because of the number of children. Ask mine, who more than once have been called "whichever kid you are!" in a moment of frustration. They are all still incensed in their 30s that I do not recall all of their individual food dislikes. I keep telling them that I gave up caring what they didn't like when the combined list got so long it was impossible to cook a meal.

don't feel bad about your mother forgetting your name...my mother would call me Corky sometimes when her mind was busy...Corky was our dog...yup when her mind was full, and also her wine glass ...lol

627 paxnhymn  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:43:14am

re: #491 ploome hineni

NAUSEATING

he is retelling the nazi camp story

/spit


version 3.4.2.1 I suppose..

628 loppyd  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:43:18am

re: #625 realwest

I dibs lying.

Yeah, that's my first take too. :~)

629 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:43:23am

re: #613 Kenneth

He said "contiguous". The usual formulation is a highway corridor between Gaza & the West Bank.

Or that stip of land between Gaza & the West Bank, what's it called, oh, yeah - Israel!

630 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:43:45am

re: #326 CapeCoddah

BS. MY mother "Bought" one as well, after meeting another man, locking my dad out, and crying abandonment. Canon law, my ass.
I went to the Archdiocese to tell them the truth, but they cared only about the 10K check she handed them. I was an adult when this happened, BTW. Not a child. My dad did nothing but go to work one morning, and when he came home, found he had stepped into the twillight zone.l

My ex-hubby "bought" one as well; I don't think the church paid any attention at all to what I had to say about the affair he had while still married to me and his sudden and complete abandonment of me.

631 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:43:45am

Just once, could someone ask a politician: Explain to us why the Palestinians "deserve" a state, please.

632 phoenixgirl  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:43:45am

re: #568 galloping granny

i've called my kids my brothers' and sister's names, i've called them the pet names and each others names.

i too, can't keep track who likes what to eat, all i know is i can't have mac and cheese every nite.

633 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:43:53am

re: #620 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Well, he didn't address any "mischaracterizations," but got sidetracked into a criticism of the war in Iraq.

634 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:44:32am
635 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:44:45am
636 DesertSage  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:44:49am

Listening to BHO speak to AIPAC.

I don't trust this guy one bit.

637 VegasRick  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:44:59am

re: #604 loppyd

HOW? By asking them nicely? He is either stupid or naive or lying.

D. All of the above.

638 realwest  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:45:02am

re: #500 Widow'smight
Woops, sorry, if not for CtP's comment at #607 I'd a missed it!
Yes, we live roughly 18 miles southeast of Charlotte!
Send me an e-mail when you can (nic's in blue)!

639 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:45:03am

re: #550 savage_nation

Dept of Public Safety.

Well hell, I just read your #291. It was just a warning? You're cool. I got a warning on Mother's Day for doing 78 in a 65, on US 175 on the way to my MiL's house, from a Kemp police officer. God was smiling on me that day.

640 infidelia  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:45:16am

re: #555 loppyd

Hell's Bells you have been busy!

I am heading to the Square later if I get out of here at a decent hour. A, I still looking in the WF lot?

A 9/11 Troofer in Harvard Square? Shocking! That was where my car was vandalized and my Bush Cheney '04 sticker was torn off.

There's one on each of the signs at the WF exit/entry pver by the liquor store and one up on a light pole just before you get to the CVS, and a couple more scattered around.

I parked on a dark stretch of Quincy St. over behind the Yard but I will still nervous about my McCain sticker.

641 loppyd  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:45:17am

add to the list of the missing and mised...

Ben Hur

642 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:45:26am

re: #583 rw in san diego

Obama's going to cut off the smuggling of weapons into Gaza. Yeah, and I've got a bridge in northern California I can sell to you...cheap.

Sure. He'll force Israel to open the borders and stop checking cargo. No need for smuggling then.

643 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:45:44am

re: #619 wccawa

Nice little 4th Amendment violation.

644 laZardo  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:45:44am

re: #611 loppyd

re: #613 Kenneth

But in this case, continuous/contiguous means not divided (like, I don't know, Germany and Konigsberg circa 1919?)

645 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:46:03am

Crap, gotta actually go to the office for a bit...bbl

646 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:46:05am
647 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:46:20am

Savage, what FM was that on, anyway, and in what county? Just curious.

648 ec marm  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:46:26am

BHO: 'ignored threat of Iran, instead invaded Iraq' "refuse to continue a policy that has Israel less secure" "there is a better way"
His solution?
"phased withdrawal from Iraq"
"pressure (unmentioned just what that is) Iran"
"agressive, principled diplomacy without preconditions"
"lines of communication"
"tough, principled diplomacy"

/ i'm gonna get sick

649 loppyd  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:46:34am

re: #645 CapeCoddah

Crap, gotta actually go to the office for a bit...bbl

Later. Hope you don't have to get on Route 3.

650 alegrias  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:47:00am

re: #631 Occasional Reader

Just once, could someone ask a politician: Explain to us why the Palestinians "deserve" a state, please.

* * *
It's like reparations, silly!

Lefty wants free stuff. You ought to feel guilty, agree & pay for it.

Never mind the UN set this up, and the Palis and their keepers fought & lost several times over the same lost cause.

651 Widow'smight  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:47:13am

re: #607 christheprofessor


That would work, arriving Wednesday afternoon, have to leave Saturday AM.

652 wccawa  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:47:24am

re: #643 Honorary Yooper

Nice little 4th Amendment violation.

Hey, it was Utah. You got used to things like that.

And for those who brought booze from another state for vacationing at Lake Powell?

Random checkpoints, searches, and the wholesale dumping of kegs, etc. right there on the highway. I saw that numerous times.

653 CIA Reject  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:47:30am

re: #586 CapeCoddah

The Annulment was BOUGHT, I was there when she wrote the check. Please do not insult my intelligence pertaining to what happened before my very eyes. I am on of the most optimistic people out there, and as my husband says, way too trusting. There were no legitimate grounds for the annulment. The judge in the divorce thought my mother was "less than truthful", this from a liberal Mass judge, who always favor the wife.

Please see my 576, I wasn't trying to be insulting- I apologize if I came through that way. I have no doubt that the events transpired as you observed them but my main concern was that your previous posts seemed to imply that what you experienced was typical of what happens everywhere in the Church when it most certainly is not.

654 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:47:37am

Invoking Kennedy, Truman & Reagan.

655 realwest  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:47:41am

BBIAW!

656 phoenixgirl  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:47:44am

savage, at least he didn't start punching out your tail lights

657 JeremyR  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:47:48am

Well, time to go pretend like I have a real job and please some tenants, and displease others. Have fun and keep it civil.
Savage, have a great and a safe day there in Texico.

658 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:48:08am

re: #652 wccawa

Hey, it was Utah. You got used to things like that.

And for those who brought booze from another state for vacationing at Lake Powell?

Random checkpoints, searches, and the wholesale dumping of kegs, etc. right there on the highway. I saw that numerous times.

Dumping kegs? What'd they do, vent them with a 9mm?

659 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:48:41am

re: #623 Widow'smight

We have fun with it, she goes through her brother's name, my dad's name, my nephew's name, then "Whatever your name is". Funny thing is, I'm her only son and I'm named after her Father.

Lots of stuff blooming done here!

Lilacs just finishing up, azalea just starting, oregano is as big as a bushel basket and I'm going to have to harvest it or it is going to blossom already. Will have baby bok choy next week. Was going to get the last of the maters and peppers in up the hill today but we're having a spot of rain, so probably tomorrow. Which is OK as I could use a day off. Ended up digging a 30 foot trench a foot deep to move the asparagus to a couple of days back all by my lonesome. Didn't know I still could. Next day, WiiFit tells me I have a WiiFit age of 30 - THIRTY! (That is not the case today!)

660 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:48:50am

re: #654 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Invoking Kennedy, Truman & Reagan.

Reagan would kick his sorry ass.

661 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:49:02am

re: #649 loppyd

Problems on 3 today? I juse have to go from Harwich Port to Chatham.
3 miles to the shop.

662 wccawa  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:49:04am

re: #658 Ward Cleaver

Axes.

663 laZardo  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:49:04am

re: #631 Occasional Reader

They could've had one fair and square back in '47. Hell, their side of the Partition was bigger than Israel. But then they had to play for double or nothing.

/and they didn't get double.

664 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:49:12am

The gaffer strikes again....

Full Remarks of Obama’s AIPAC Speech

Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided.

Shouldn't he know the capital of the country he claims to support?

665 jcm  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:49:12am

re: #619 wccawa

My best was in ID. A Stater pullls me over and sits and waits, when a second one pulls up I knew something was up. The second one gets out with his shotgun, and first with his revolver. They then do the get out of the car, back up, kneel down, and get me cuffed up.

Now I was smart enough just to say yes sir, and comply instantly. Once they had me under control, I asked politely "May I ask what is going one?"
They said "Said you know anything about a bank robbery?" Of course I didn't.

A couple of minutes later they get a call the real robbery had been tagged. My car and partial plate matched as well as general description.

They where actually professional during the whole thing, and very apologetic when the cut me loose.

666 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:49:23am

Hey Obama just said the Iranian Revolutionery Guard were rightly designated as a terrorist organization. Funny thing is, he voted against the bill in the Senate!

667 loppyd  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:49:24am

Client actually showed up early for an appointment. Miracles never cease.

BBL

668 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:49:30am
669 yochanan  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:49:39am

talk talk talk, as iran build a bomb and uses it

when iran tries to use it obama will say oops.

670 Widow'smight  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:49:50am

re: #638 realwest

I Think I have your email address, let me check.

671 loppyd  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:50:30am

re: #661 CapeCoddah

Problems on 3 today? I juse have to go from Harwich Port to Chatham.
3 miles to the shop.

Where there is rain there is a problem!

I haven't heard anything specific.

Greetings from the North Shore, by the way. I love to see MA Lizards!

672 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:50:36am

re: #666 Kenneth

Hey Obama just said the Iranian Revolutionery Guard were rightly
designated as a terrorist organization. Funny thing is, he voted
against the bill in the Senate!

He was actually around to vote on a bill? I'm shocked!

673 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:50:38am

re: #634 savage_nation

Wouldnt that be funny if no freight got delivered in Greenville? Hoo boy, the howling would be incredible! That town would dry up in 2 weeks.

Heh. It'd be damn funny to watch.

I had a municipal cop pull me over in Godley, IL, on IL-53. I wasn't all that far from the limit when he turned around (he was going southbound, and I was going northbound). He pulls me over, chastises me about my speed, and then asks if I had anything to drink tonight. You should've seen his face when I answered "Coca-Cola". He was so disappointed he didn't have a DUI on his hands, he let me go.

674 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:50:41am

re: #653 CIA Reject
Noted. Although we can agree to disagree.

675 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:50:58am

re: #641 loppyd

He's in Israel.

676 hippieforlife  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:52:09am

I want McCain to pick Michael Steele as his VP. Imagine the uproar!

Then all Democrats and Republicans could be racist. What fun!/

677 loppyd  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:52:20am

re: #675 WriterMom

He's in Israel.

That's right. Thanks for the reminder.

Now about that client..... LOL

Later!

678 JustMyView  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:52:21am

re: #664 Killgore Trout

The gaffer strikes again....

Full Remarks of Obama’s AIPAC Speech

Shouldn't he know the capital of the country he claims to support?

The audience didn't seem to have a problem w/ this remark! They applauded like crazy.

679 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:52:25am

re: #664 Killgore Trout

The gaffer strikes again....

Full Remarks of Obama’s AIPAC Speech


Shouldn't he know the capital of the country he claims to support?

Um, Jerusalem *is* the capital.

680 CapeCoddah  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:52:40am

re: #671 loppyd
Same here. And 3 gets nasty at any given time, no matter the weather. gotta run!

681 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:52:52am
682 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:52:55am

"Change that restores America's power and influence."

Surrender = Victory

683 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:53:00am

re: #644 laZardo

Geographic details like borders and corridors assumes the dispute is about the size of Israel rather than the existence of Israel. That is a dangerous delusion.

684 alegrias  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:53:28am

re: #659 galloping granny

Lilacs just finishing up, azalea just starting, oregano is as big as a bushel basket and I'm going to have to harvest it or it is going to blossom already. Will have baby bok choy next week. Was going to get the last of the maters and peppers in up the hill today but we're having a spot of rain, so probably tomorrow. Which is OK as I could use a day off. Ended up digging a 30 foot trench a foot deep to move the asparagus to a couple of days back all by my lonesome. Didn't know I still could. Next day, WiiFit tells me I have a WiiFit age of 30 - THIRTY! (That is not the case today!)


* * *
Granny, you keep reminding me we'll all need VICTORY GARDENS since stores will be empty in Bolshevik's changed nation.

This cannot stand, these big lies passing as campaign promises.

685 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:53:29am
686 rusty_armor  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:53:39am

I am beginning to think I need a P chip in my TV. Watching the politicians yesterday was like a bad drug trip. I feel strung out and hung over today.

I am not ready for a country ran entirely by Democrats.

687 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:53:39am
688 CIA Reject  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:54:08am

re: #674 CapeCoddah

Agreed. And I meant what I said about the baby and the bathwater.

/Cheers!

689 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:54:14am

re: #679 Occasional Reader

I thought it was Tel Aviv. Boy is my face red.

690 realwest  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:54:20am

re: #641 loppyd OK, just wrote to Miss Trixie and to Aussiemagpie - anyone got Ben Hur's e-mail or Musicman's e-mail or BGB's e-mail?
If so can y'all write to 'em and tell them that they are missed?

691 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:54:25am

re: #685 taxfreekiller

On Greenville, they got active (***'s), and they got Laup Nor's out the ass, next time your there, take a walk around inside the county court house, that place is some spooky.

they got mutants there

Sounds like deep Downstate Illinois. Minus the Ron Paul stuff of course.

692 Widow'smight  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:54:26am

re: #659 galloping granny


Cool, my potatoes are about ready to flower, won't be long now.

693 jamgarr  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:54:37am

re: #664 Killgore Trout

The gaffer strikes again....

Full Remarks of Obama’s AIPAC Speech


Shouldn't he know the capital of the country he claims to support?

You're sh**ing us, right?

694 vxbush  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:55:12am

Sorry--I had to step away and take care of something, so I've missed a bunch of posts.

But one of my coworkers was complaining about McCain's speech last night and said it was awful, because he kept repeating his mantra and he didn't sound enthused, he didn't looked comfortable or relaxed, and the audience couldn't decide whether to clap or not.

As I didn't see the speech, I couldn't respond. But it bothered me that she was worried more about how it was delivered, like she was a speech coach. Not the content.

695 The Rebbitzen  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:55:28am

I am ready to vomit listening to BHO's speech to AIPAC. This is one Jew who is voting for McCain!

696 Clemente  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:55:33am

re: #613 Kenneth

He said "contiguous". The usual formulation is a highway corridor between Gaza & the West Bank.

Well, I'm pretty sure of what I heard. Nevertheless, I'll await a transcript.

But in this context, it's a distinction without a difference. And an untenable arrangement for Israel. The direct implication is that Israel will be divided by an openly hostile, self-declared, mortal enemy.

697 infidelia  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:55:41am

re: #649 loppyd

Later. Hope you don't have to get on Route 3.

Why, what's it done now?

698 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:55:43am
699 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:55:55am

re: #689 Killgore Trout

Oy Killgore...don't worry...The embassies are stuck in Tel Aviv, to stick it to Israel, but Jerusalem is the capital no matter what people say. Also, you'll notice that MSM types often use Tel Aviv as their dateline for stories about Israeli government decisions. It's all part of a campaign to deligitimize Israel's right to Jerusalem.

700 jcm  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:55:56am

re: #664 Killgore Trout


I first became familiar with the story of Israel when I was eleven years old. I learned of the long journey and steady determination of the Jewish people to preserve their identity through faith, family and culture. Year after year, century after century, Jews carried on their traditions, and their dream of a homeland, in the face of impossible odds.

Wasn't that while in the Madrassa in Indonesia? Wonder whcih "version" he learned?

701 alegrias  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:55:59am

re: #682 Who Watches the Watchmen?

"Change that restores America's power and influence."

Surrender = Victory

* * *
As many here know,

Carter I who supports Carter II, did not RESTORE but REDUCE America's power & influence.

702 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:56:10am

re: #689 Killgore Trout

I thought it was Tel Aviv. Boy is my face red.

I'd actually be please that he said "undivided", if it weren't for the fact that I think he simply says whatever will please the audience in front of him, and is utterly untrustworthy.

703 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:56:19am

re: #684 alegrias

* * *
Granny, you keep reminding me we'll all need VICTORY GARDENS since stores will be empty in Bolshevik's changed nation.

This cannot stand, these big lies passing as campaign promises.

Exactly! For some reason this year I have just had an overwhelming urge/need to turn every single available inch to food production.

704 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:56:33am

re: #672 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Obama voted against sanction on Iran

Needless to say, the Kyl-Lieberman amendment won broad support in the Senate, passing 76-22. Senator Hillary Clinton voted for it, as did Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Senator Chuck Schumer, and Senator Dick Durbin.

Senator Obama, however, was one of a handful of senators who opposed the amendment–which had aroused the ire of the left-wing blogosphere. In the frenzied minds of DailyKos and Moveon.org, Kyl-Lieberman–or “Lieberman-Kyl,” as they preferred to call it–was nothing less than a stealth declaration of war on Iran...

This misreading of the amendment speaks to a larger, deliberate obtuseness on Obama’s part. The Iranians are the largest sponsor of international terrorism in the world, and the evidence of this is both public and large. In order to fight terrorism, we need to at least honestly acknowledge Iran’s role in it and take steps to limit it. Kyl-Lieberman attempted to do just that in a non-violent manner, working through other options intended to limit their ability to fund terror groups like Hamas and Hezbollah.

There are only two reasons to oppose the application of sanctions on Iran. Either one wants to go to war and skip all of the other options, or doesn’t believe Iran to be a threat and a sponsor of terror. Into which group should we put Barack Obama?

705 realwest  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:56:53am

re: #664 Killgore Trout
Picky, picky, picky! LOL! Wish I coulda given you 100 updings for that one!

706 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:56:55am

please = pleased

707 madisonsfriend  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:57:04am

re: #693 jamgarr

You're sh**ing us, right?

Obama was right- Jerusalem is Israel's capital- we just haven't got the balls to recognize it. I doubt the next administration will either. At least the next administration won't have their hands in the Saudi pockets- but i bet they won't move our embassy to Jerusalem either.

708 wccawa  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:57:11am

Change...

vs.

My Friends...

I choose none of the above.

709 The Rebbitzen  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:57:28am

He did say continguous. Don't forget who his foreign policy advisor is. Carter II Presidency

710 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:57:42am

re: #696 Clemente

I agree entirely with your assessment of the idea, whatever the words Obama used.

711 realwest  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:57:50am

re: #670 Widow'smight
Well, my nic's in blue!

712 JustMyView  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:58:02am

re: #694 vxbush

Sorry--I had to step away and take care of something, so I've missed a bunch of posts.

But one of my coworkers was complaining about McCain's speech last night and said it was awful, because he kept repeating his mantra and he didn't sound enthused, he didn't looked comfortable or relaxed, and the audience couldn't decide whether to clap or not.

As I didn't see the speech, I couldn't respond. But it bothered me that she was worried more about how it was delivered, like she was a speech coach. Not the content.

At some point, vx, delivery overwhelms content. If you look around the blogosphere, you'll find there are lots of criticisms of McCain's speech, including many from conservatives. I actually don't know why he was speaking last night. He could just have let the Dems have their night. There was nothing about the night that called for a speech from him and nothing about the speech that meant it had to be given last night.

713 christheprofessor  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:58:06am

re: #651 Widow'smight

Cool. We'll firm up on another thread -- right now, my computer is very unresponsive (when threads get this long, I can barely repond to anything -- all I get is the dreaded hourglass for about a minute before anything happens). I've got 2 GBs of RAM on the way (8X what I have now), so that problem should be resolved in a few days.

714 godfrey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:58:09am

re: #601 buzzsawmonkey

We can go on, of course:

Oh well, buzzmonkey, see,
you write so winsomely, thy posts we love;
Thanks to your lyric skill
what once was merely frill
turns into literary thrill, like that above.

715 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:58:10am

re: #699 WriterMom

Ah thanks, I was just busy googling to figure out why I had the impression that Tel-Aviv was the capital. That clears it up.

716 ec marm  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:58:35am

BHO:

Now is the time to be vigilant in facing down every foe, just as we move forward in seeking a future of peace for the children of Israel, and for all children.


Face down foes. It's just that easy with "tough, principled diplomacy."
Drink the kool-aid, it's tasty.

717 razorbacker  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:58:36am

re: #708 wccawa

Change...

vs.

My Friends...

I choose none of the above.

718 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:58:46am

Koskid is a teacher...

I'm sitting here with my class on the next to last day of school watching Sen. Obama speak before AIPAC. What a difference 11 hours make. He's already taken on the mantle. As he is speaking you see two immediate differences. The senator is no longer in a regional campaign demeanor. He is statemanlike. Concilitory, yet assertive. The aura he has already donned is one of thoughtfulness instead of reactionary.

I thought my kids would be bored stiff with sleepy heads nodding waiting for the their early release bell the day before school officially ends. But they are watching. Listening. They don't seem awed by the historical implicatons they are witnessing. They almost see it as a natural occurance of someone winning out over rivals for a top spot.

Their 15 to 16 year old minds seem oblivous to the cultural barries crashing down for those of us adults who seem somewhat awed by them. As Mr. Obama began I was searching my mind for an equally generational transpiring moment last evening brought us. It didn't take long for me to find it. The Berlin Wall.

Last night another Berlin Wall of sorts fell. Mr. Obama has disentigrated that wall like Jerico's horn. The racial and gender barriers have taken a severe bearting at Mr. Obama and Ms. Clinton's hands. There is still no doubt that if the good Senator from Illinois is elected and serves two terms those barriers will still exist. One thing you can count on thought. They will be much lower than before and easier to jump over. Its a good start. I'm terribly priviledged to have lived long enough to witness that lowering. I am also at the same time excited to have some miniscule participation in the further disentigration of those barriers for the sake of my 2 1/2 year old daughter.

My kids sitting before me now see that lower wall. How much they contribute to the further disentigration of it is up to them. At least I'm here to help prod them along.

God, how lucky I feel this morning.

You would think a teacher could spell correctly.

These types are teaching our children. Be very afraid.

719 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:58:46am
720 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:58:52am

The Palestinian Arabs already have a "contiguous" state; it's called Jordan.

721 yochanan  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:58:57am

the next POTUS will see an iranian nuke it is as simple as that.

JOHN MCCAIN/08

722 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:59:12am
723 madisonsfriend  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:59:17am

re: #715 Killgore Trout

Ah thanks, I was just busy googling to figure out why I had the impression that Tel-Aviv was the capital. That clears it up.

well, if we ever really support Israel- we'll move the embassy. Then the un can condemn the US - and maybe then we can shove the un out of the US

724 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:59:18am

re: #653 CIA Reject

Please see my 576, I wasn't trying to be insulting- I apologize if I came through that way. I have no doubt that the events transpired as you observed them but my main concern was that your previous posts seemed to imply that what you experienced was typical of what happens everywhere in the Church when it most certainly is not.

There are always fees associated with processing annulments (mine was a whole 50 bucks, 25 of which I got back after my case went through), but that doesn't mean they're bought.

Mine was pretty staightforward. My first wife was baptized Catholic (I wasn't Catholic when we got married), and was obligated to marry in the church. We were married by a JP, and her first marriage (which ended in divorce) was done by a JP, too. Since neither marriage was in the Church, and no dispensations were given so they could be, neither were valid.

725 razorbacker  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:59:26am

re: #717 razorbacker

Sorry about that.

Premature commentation.

726 realwest  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 7:59:33am

re: #675 WriterMom

He's in Israel.

So are a number of LGFer's - they do have internet over there ya know?!

727 laZardo  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:00:09am

re: #683 Kenneth

I checked the map (and I was off on the geographical bits, sorry).

728 alegrias  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:00:14am

re: #694 vxbush

Sorry--I had to step away and take care of something, so I've missed a bunch of posts.

But one of my coworkers was complaining about McCain's speech last night and said it was awful, because he kept repeating his mantra and he didn't sound enthused, he didn't looked comfortable or relaxed, and the audience couldn't decide whether to clap or not.

As I didn't see the speech, I couldn't respond. But it bothered me that she was worried more about how it was delivered, like she was a speech coach. Not the content.

* * *
McCain's own mother didn't like how "Johnny" delivered speeches--Mark Salter shouldn't write speeches that are so hard for McCain to "deliver."

It's the content, stupid!

Though we can't afford to this election, we can be superficial & want polish, panache, savoir faire, nuance, etc., from our celebrities.

729 J.S.  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:00:21am

Obama is saying all the right things...especially the bit about never dividing Jerusalem...(I don't recall GWB ever saying that...) Now I'm confused...maybe I've misjudged Obama? (I also saw some clips of McCain -- I have doubts with respect to his ability to win votes...I don't see it happening....)

730 rw in san diego  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:00:44am

re: #695 The Rebbitzen

Funny, I had the same visceral response to his speech.

731 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:00:45am

re: #721 yochanan

the next POTUS will see an iranian nuke it is as simple as that.

JOHN MCCAIN/08

Unless the current POTUS has the guts to eliminate the problem the day after the elections are held.

732 JustMyView  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:00:50am

re: #700 jcm

Wasn't that while in the Madrassa in Indonesia? Wonder whcih "version" he learned?

He had returned to Hawaii by then. He was never in a madrassa, and you do yourself no favor by continuing that smear. Why not challenge him on the merits of his arguments rather than by spreading falsehoods about his past?

733 The Rebbitzen  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:01:18am

I don't know how many of you caught BHO's comment that Israel rightly took out WMDs in Syria. It sounded like he was giving them the greenlight for Iran before the election. Anyone else catch that?

734 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:01:27am

re: #718 NJDhockeyfan

Koskid is a teacher...


You would think a teacher could spell correctly.

These types are teaching our children. Be very afraid.

You misunderstand, "disentigration" refers to the breaking down of athropomorphic Middle Earth trees.

735 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:01:55am
736 nyc redneck  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:02:17am

re: #659 galloping granny

Lilacs just finishing up, azalea just starting, oregano is as big as a bushel basket and I'm going to have to harvest it or it is going to blossom already. Will have baby bok choy next week. Was going to get the last of the maters and peppers in up the hill today but we're having a spot of rain, so probably tomorrow. Which is OK as I could use a day off. Ended up digging a 30 foot trench a foot deep to move the asparagus to a couple of days back all by my lonesome. Didn't know I still could. Next day, WiiFit tells me I have a WiiFit age of 30 - THIRTY! (That is not the case today!)

here's what i'm going to get in the ground today: green beans, cucumbers, squash and the seedlings i started : cabbage, cauliflower. broccoli, toms and peps. i've already got the volunteer mustard and arugula up.
everyone who has even a small backyard should be planting. it's so rewarding. not to mention a money saver and could be a life saver, at some point.
i dig w/ a small shovel. it takes longer but the next day is not so bad. lol

737 Clemente  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:02:22am

From KT, the prepared remarks do say "contiguous". But I'm not sure he read it that way...

/probably wrong, though

738 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:02:33am
739 JustMyView  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:02:33am

re: #705 realwest

Picky, picky, picky! LOL! Wish I coulda given you 100 updings for that one!

You saw that KT was wrong, right? Not that I'm jumping on him. Just want to draw attention to the corrections.

740 laZardo  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:02:41am

re: #718 NJDhockeyfan

For every Goddessoftheclassroom...

741 rw in san diego  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:03:11am

re: #729 J.S.

I may be mistaken, but I seem to recall that, at one time, Bush favored moving our embassy to Jerusalem. Anyone know for sure?

742 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:03:14am

OK, Obama's speech is over, a quick summary of his main points"

US will remain a staunch defender of Israel
Capital in Jerusalem
Two states living in peace side by side, blah, blah
Continued military aid for Israel
Strengthen the bonds between African Americans and Jews

No word yet from Obama's fans in Hamas on this speech. Sounds all fine & dandy, but I'm waiting for the inevitable speech in which he says "that's not the country I knew for 20 years" and he throws Israel under the bus.

BTW: Obama's friends at the Trinity United Church must be laughing hard over that last point.

743 godfrey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:03:15am

Enough of this stupid Palestinian state idea. They don't want a state. If they don't want it, giving them one won't solve anything. They don't give a damn enough to build one as it is. What makes people think they will start to care, as long as Israel still exists?

744 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:03:27am

re: #699 WriterMom

Oy
Killgore...don't worry...The embassies are stuck in Tel Aviv, to stick
it to Israel, but Jerusalem is the capital no matter what people say.
Also, you'll notice that MSM types often use Tel Aviv as their dateline
for stories about Israeli government decisions. It's all part of a
campaign to deligitimize Israel's right to Jerusalem.

Where are the Israeli gov't main buildings located in - Tel Aviv or Jerusalem?

745 godfrey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:03:37am

re: #738 buzzsawmonkey

Don't get maudlin. I was just trying to one-up you.

746 Widow'smight  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:03:46am

re: #711 realwest

Sent you an Email, just send me one back if it worked.

747 alegrias  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:04:05am

re: #712 JustMyView

At some point, vx, delivery overwhelms content. If you look around the blogosphere, you'll find there are lots of criticisms of McCain's speech, including many from conservatives. I actually don't know why he was speaking last night. He could just have let the Dems have their night. There was nothing about the night that called for a speech from him and nothing about the speech that meant it had to be given last night.

* * *
Justleftisttalkingpoints,

Where does it say McCain needs your or Dems' permission to speak?

748 Spider Mensch  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:04:10am

re: #699 WriterMom

Oy Killgore...don't worry...The embassies are stuck in Tel Aviv, to stick it to Israel, but Jerusalem is the capital no matter what people say. Also, you'll notice that MSM types often use Tel Aviv as their dateline for stories about Israeli government decisions. It's all part of a campaign to deligitimize Israel's right to Jerusalem.


just a good trivia point.. the only 2 countries IIRC with their embassies in Jerusalem are Costa Rica and El Salvador.

749 The Rebbitzen  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:04:18am

#735 Buzzmonkey
Bravo. It is so obvious.

750 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:05:13am

re: #745 godfrey

Don't get maudlin.

There's nothing wrong with Maudlin. I loved his "Wille & Joe" cartoons.

/

751 vxbush  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:05:21am

re: #712 JustMyView

At some point, vx, delivery overwhelms content. If you look around the blogosphere, you'll find there are lots of criticisms of McCain's speech, including many from conservatives. I actually don't know why he was speaking last night. He could just have let the Dems have their night. There was nothing about the night that called for a speech from him and nothing about the speech that meant it had to be given last night.

You may well be right about all that. But I find it frustrating that the way people determine who will be a good president is how nice of a speech they can deliver. How much of a president's career is truly made up of speeches?

Don't get me wrong--I'm not a huge supporter of McCain. I just see him as the less offensive of the two. But while the president will be giving speeches, I really don't think speeches define a presidency.

752 madisonsfriend  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:05:24am

re: #741 rw in san diego

I may be mistaken, but I seem to recall that, at one time, Bush favored moving our embassy to Jerusalem. Anyone know for sure?


Yeah, well, like all politicians- people say things that aren't carried through- you don't think Condi wants the embassy in Jerusalem, do you? and State seems to run foreign policy- not the president. This administration is too tied to the Arab interests- and I suppose the next one will be as well.

753 laZardo  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:05:25am

re: #721 yochanan

They wouldn't have to deploy the nuke elsewhere if they had to be faced down for it...

754 yochanan  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:05:38am

re: #695 The Rebbitzen

I am ready to vomit listening to BHO's speech to AIPAC. This is one Jew who is voting for McCain!

MAKE THAT TWO

755 snowcrash  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:05:39am

I'm lurking on the spy comments and it looks like JustMYView is talking to himself, asking and answering his own questions. LOL. He needs a sockpuppet.

756 nyc redneck  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:05:49am

re: #692 Widow'smight

Cool, my potatoes are about ready to flower, won't be long now.

my taters are just now coming up. i can't hardly eat store bought spuds. freshly dug potatoes are so wonderful. plus the digging is so exciting, a treasure hunt. when my god children show up it's the first thing they want to do. crawl in the dirt hunting taters.

757 Widow'smight  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:05:50am

re: #707 madisonsfriend


I read an article in an Israeli newspaper awhile back that the Current Administration wanted to do just that, but the Israeli guvmint did the Balking.

Wish I could find that link.

758 The Rebbitzen  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:05:51am

Hillary is now up to bat. I gotta go to work, but the drama is killing me! Let's hear who is the biggest liar.

759 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:05:52am

re: #732 JustMyView

He
had returned to Hawaii by then. He was never in a madrassa, and you do
yourself no favor by continuing that smear. Why not challenge him on
the merits of his arguments rather than by spreading falsehoods about
his past?

Amen! This kind of talk won't feed my starving children, or pay the mortgage on my one bedroom apartment.
/

760 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:05:53am

re: #729 J.S.

Obama is saying all the right things...especially the bit about never dividing Jerusalem...(I don't recall GWB ever saying that...) Now I'm confused...maybe I've misjudged Obama? (I also saw some clips of McCain -- I have doubts with respect to his ability to win votes...I don't see it happening....)

Obama might be saying all the right things today, but that is no guarantee that he didn't say different all the right things to somebody else yesterday. Witness -

"I couldn't possibily disown Jermiah Wright under the bus - that would be like disowning my Grandma."

"I condemn Jeremiah Wright."

"The fine young pastor at Trinity United"

"I resign from Trinity United"

And to top it off - go look at his voting record. Though I really should call it his Non-voting record, since in the only partial first term that he has served in Congress, he has delivered up more than 100 NOVOTES - times he chose to either not vote at all or vote simply "present." The categories those novotes fall into are pretty illuminating too. You'll be hard put to find a vote of any sort on entire categories - abortion, health care, others too. [Link: www.votesmart.org...]

761 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:06:02am
762 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:06:38am

US elections: Jimmy Carter tells Barack Obama not to pick Hillary Clinton as running mate

Barack Obama should not pick Hillary Clinton as his vice-presidential nominee, former president Jimmy Carter has told the Guardian.

"I think it would be the worst mistake that could be made," said Carter. "That would just accumulate the negative aspects of both candidates."

763 JustMyView  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:06:43am

re: #747 alegrias

* * *
Justleftisttalkingpoints,

Where does it say McCain needs your or Dems' permission to speak?

It's not about permission. It's about not making yourself look bad in comparison to the competition when there's no reason to.

764 jaunte  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:06:54am

re: #705 realwest

Good morning realwest; I just sent you an email.

765 razorbacker  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:07:18am

re: #751 vxbush

You may well be right about all that. But I find it frustrating that the way people determine who will be a good president is how nice of a speech they can deliver. How much of a president's career is truly made up of speeches?

Don't get me wrong--I'm not a huge supporter of McCain. I just see him as the less offensive of the two. But while the president will be giving speeches, I really don't think speeches define a presidency.

You've no doubt seen the bumpersticker.

F**k it. McCain 08.
The least repulsive Democrat running.

766 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:07:25am

Oh snap! I wasn't expecting Cackle.

767 J.S.  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:07:54am

re: #741 rw in san diego

bush made it an election promise -- then, when he got elected, he reneged on the promise.

768 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:08:04am

re: #748 Spider Mensch

just a good trivia point.. the only 2 countries IIRC with their embassies in Jerusalem are Costa Rica and El Salvador.

Where does the Knesset meet? I would put the embassy in the city in which they meet.

769 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:08:04am

re: #732 JustMyView

He had returned to Hawaii by then. He was never in a madrassa, and you do yourself no favor by continuing that smear. Why not challenge him on the merits of his arguments rather than by spreading falsehoods about his past?

He was registered as a muslim while at school in Indonesia and received daily education in the islamic religion. Not a madrassah, but not pure as the driven snow either.

Give me a child. . . . . how does that go again?

770 godfrey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:08:06am

The "Palestinian state" idea has three functions:

1. From the "Palestinian" side, it allows them to suck on a money tube to fund their jihad and legitimize their "struggle."

2. From the funding side, it allows countries to give the impression they are interested in "peace" and in solving an "intractable political problem," which would then get them into history books.

3. And of course, it allows anti-semites to keep socking it to the Jews without being easily painted as Jew-haters.

771 madisonsfriend  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:08:38am

re: #744 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Where are the Israeli gov't main buildings located in - Tel Aviv or Jerusalem?

The Knesset is in Jerusalem

772 JustMyView  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:08:38am

re: #751 vxbush

You may well be right about all that. But I find it frustrating that the way people determine who will be a good president is how nice of a speech they can deliver. How much of a president's career is truly made up of speeches?

Don't get me wrong--I'm not a huge supporter of McCain. I just see him as the less offensive of the two. But while the president will be giving speeches, I really don't think speeches define a presidency.

I agree. Speeches are only part of what presidents do, but they're a substantial part.

773 madisonsfriend  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:08:55am

re: #768 Honorary Yooper

Jerusalem!

774 The Rebbitzen  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:09:13am

I still can't get the image of Hillary hugging and kissing Shuha Arafat. This was after Shuha accused Israel of poisoning Philastinean children. Bleccch!

775 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:09:24am

re: #771 madisonsfriend

The Knesset is in Jerusalem

Then the embassies should all be in Jerusalem.

776 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:09:34am

re: #741 rw in san diego

They all dangle it, and never do anything about it. It's never the 'right time'.

777 madisonsfriend  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:09:44am

re: #767 J.S.

bush made it an election promise -- then, when he got elected, he reneged on the promise.

Campaign promises- they should go with "the check is in the mail"

778 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:10:27am

re: #774 The Rebbitzen

I still can't get the image of Hillary hugging and kissing Shuha Arafat. This was after Shuha accused Israel of poisoning Philastinean children. Bleccch!

Which is ironic when you consider what her hubby was doing to those kids.

779 Widow'smight  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:10:28am

re: #756 nyc redneck

My kids are growing up, so we need to invite our friends kids over. I give them each a bag, and let them have fun.

I refuse to eat anything but fresh Tomatoes.

780 snowcrash  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:10:37am

Gosh, it wasn't to long ago Obama called Israel a constant wound and infects all our foreign policy.In the Atlantic IIRC. Hmmmm

781 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:10:46am

re: #770 godfrey

A bazillion updings.

782 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:10:52am
783 Spider Mensch  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:10:54am

re: #768 Honorary Yooper


Knesset meets in Jerusalem.

784 realwest  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:10:57am

re: #746 Widow'smight
Uh, sorry - didn't receive it! Did hear from Miss Trixie though and she's really busy now which is why she hasn't been on LGF much lately.

785 rw in san diego  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:11:02am

re: #767 J.S.

Thanks. That's what I thought.

786 madisonsfriend  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:11:15am

re: #775 Honorary Yooper

Then the embassies should all be in Jerusalem.


We agree- unfortunately we do not make those decisions- kissing oil rich butt is more important in most of the world.

787 Iron Fist  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:11:32am

re: #598 Clemente,

In other words, he wants to partition Israel. Cutting a corridor through Israel between the West Bank and Gaza. Rewarding Terrorism.

Some days I'm tempted to blow shit up. I could use some appeasment myself.

788 The Rebbitzen  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:11:58am

#777 Madison's friend
Campaign promises- they should go with "the check is in the mail"

Does that mean with all the proposed tax increases that BHO is promising us--the check is in the mail to the IRS?

789 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:12:20am

Hilllary group is going Bull Moose

790 CIA Reject  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:12:26am

re: #724 Ward Cleaver

There are always fees associated with processing annulments (mine was a whole 50 bucks, 25 of which I got back after my case went through), but that doesn't mean they're bought.

Mine was pretty staightforward. My first wife was baptized Catholic (I wasn't Catholic when we got married), and was obligated to marry in the church. We were married by a JP, and her first marriage (which ended in divorce) was done by a JP, too. Since neither marriage was in the Church, and no dispensations were given so they could be, neither were valid.

My experience was somewhat similar. Mrs. Reject and her first husband were married in the Episcopal Church (neither was Catholic) and later divorced. Mrs. R subsequently converted and, for some reason I still can't fully fathom, was told she had to file for an anulment. She had just done so when we met and after a 27 month wait for the Tribunal in the Diocese of [deleted] to get its act together she was granted the anulment. The only fee was $100 for the cost of deposing the witnesses which is cheap for this area.

791 infidelia  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:12:44am

Obama's history of radical, black supremacist, anti-semitic, Marxist associations in the most important areas of his life, including his marriage and choice of church and pastor, clearly indicate that he is doing one of two things: He is either completely repudiating his past or he is lying. This is takky-yada in any language you care to use. He has established his radical roots with his base and now sets about to sooth and woo Whitey -- and if that tape actually exists, now is the time to show it -- and the Jooze with outright lies smothered in safe-sounding honeyed rhetoric. Because he and his handlers know that too many Americans are ignorant of history and unaquainted with reason and logic and will just nod their heads and loll their tongues and wag their tails and sit up and beg the Obamaster for a treat.

Sickening.

792 jaunte  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:12:54am

It sounds like a smear on madrassas
to say it's a smear
to say that someone attended a madrassa.
"You smearin' madrassas?"

It's hard to keep the logic straight
when the rights of victimization are at stake.

793 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:12:56am
794 rw in san diego  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:12:59am

re: #774 The Rebbitzen

That's the image that stays in my mind as well.

795 Shug  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:13:08am

re: #778 Honorary Yooper

Which is ironic when you consider what her hubby was doing to those kids.

Mrs Aratat is dealing with her grief by spending millions shopping in France.
Meanwhile the poooor palestinians are having to launch their rockets by candle light for they have no light bulbs

796 JustMyView  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:13:12am

re: #769 galloping granny

He was registered as a muslim while at school in Indonesia and received daily education in the islamic religion. Not a madrassah, but not pure as the driven snow either.

Give me a child. . . . . how does that go again?

What's your source on the "daily instruction"? Seriously, I want to know. I've heard that before, but I haven't seen anything that confirms it. What I've seen is that he attended two schools during his four years in Indonesia. One was a Catholic school (two years), and the other was a public school.

797 madisonsfriend  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:13:33am

re: #788 The Rebbitzen

#777 Madison's friend
Campaign promises- they should go with "the check is in the mail"

Does that mean with all the proposed tax increases that BHO is promising us--the check is in the mail to the IRS?

It is one of the three lies "I'm from the gov't and I'm here to help you", "the check is in the mail" and "Don't worry, baby, I'm clean and sterile"

798 ec marm  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:13:34am

re: #763 JustMyView

It's not about permission. It's about not making yourself look bad in comparison to the competition when there's no reason to.


McCains appearance was scheduled weeks, if not months ago. In your view he should cancel a speech for what reason again?

799 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:13:35am

re: #789 karmic_inquisitor

Hilllary group is going Bull Moose

Heh. That could put a moosecrimp in the Obamamessiah's run for office.

800 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:13:48am

re: #791 infidelia

takky-yada

That's very funny. Did you make that up. Consider that 'liberated'. I would maybe make it Taqiya-yada-yada.

LOL.

801 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:13:52am

re: #779 Widow'smight

My kids are growing up, so we need to invite our friends kids over. I give them each a bag, and let them have fun.

I refuse to eat anything but fresh Tomatoes.

I don't know about that. Home canned ones are pretty darned good come January. And the nephews and SIL fight over my salsa.

802 realwest  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:13:56am

re: #764 jaunte OK - I'll go check now!

803 razorbacker  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:14:05am

From today's Jawa Report...

(London, England) A professor and influential government advisor, John White, will propose today that "middle-class" curricula be deleted from schools, claiming that lessons should instead focus on personal skills.
Pupils would no longer study history, geography and science but learn skills such as energy- saving and civic responsibility through projects and themes.
So, instead of learning history, British youngsters will learn to recycle and be tolerant. On the road to serfdom, it's important that the children follow the program.

To quote the good Mr. Rowe, "I don't see what could possibly go wrong."

804 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:14:08am
805 madisonsfriend  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:14:12am

re: #789 karmic_inquisitor

Hilllary group is going Bull Moose

Ron Paul?

806 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:14:21am

re: #762 NJDhockeyfan

US elections: Jimmy Carter tells Barack Obama not to pick Hillary Clinton as running mate

I agree with Carter - but for different reasons. Keep the Hillary supporters upset at Obama, so they stay home on election day.

807 Silhouette  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:14:27am

re: #787 Iron Fist

In other words, he wants to partition Israel.

It is a crime against humanity to have a partitioned Palestine. No country should have to live that way. Thus, Israel should be partitioned so that the PA doesn't have to be.

/

808 JustMyView  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:14:27am

re: #780 snowcrash

Gosh, it wasn't to long ago Obama called Israel a constant wound and infects all our foreign policy.In the Atlantic IIRC. Hmmmm

He never did say that. He referred to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in that way, as the person who interviewed him confirmed.

809 Shug  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:14:31am

I could no more disown my Imam than I could my very own muslim grandmother

BHO age 3

810 The Rebbitzen  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:14:44am

Hillary is now kissing up to Obama. I want to scratch my eyes out!

811 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:15:14am

re: #793 buzzsawmonkey

They don't want to move, because the Tel Aviv nightlife is so much better.

Heh.

I'm told that when Brazil moved its capital from Rio to Brasilia, a lot of countries and international organizations took their sweet time following the move. (Nobody really wants to live in Brasilia.)

812 opnion  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:15:18am

re: #752 madisonsfriend

Yeah, well, like all politicians- people say things that aren't carried through- you don't think Condi wants the embassy in Jerusalem, do you? and State seems to run foreign policy- not the president. This administration is too tied to the Arab interests- and I suppose the next one will be as well.

Oh it can be worse than that. Even while Obama was addressing AIPAC this morning I was wondering if the attendees were aware of his attending meetings with Palestinian groups in Hyde Park in Chicago.
One does not attend a Church for 20 years that is among other things anti Semitic and develop an affection for Israel.

813 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:15:20am

re: #793 buzzsawmonkey

They don't want to move, because the Tel Aviv nightlife is so much better.

Oh, like DC nightlife is all that good.

/bang! bang! bang! The the sirens come.

814 J.S.  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:15:29am

re: #768 Honorary Yooper

The Knesset is in Jerusalem.

815 phoenixgirl  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:15:40am

did she just endorse obama?

816 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:15:54am
817 laZardo  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:16:09am

I'm heading to bed now. Been up since 7 AM. z_z

818 alegrias  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:16:23am

re: #736 nyc redneck

here's what i'm going to get in the ground today: green beans, cucumbers, squash and the seedlings i started : cabbage, cauliflower. broccoli, toms and peps. i've already got the volunteer mustard and arugula up.
everyone who has even a small backyard should be planting. it's so rewarding. not to mention a money saver and could be a life saver, at some point.
i dig w/ a small shovel. it takes longer but the next day is not so bad. lol

* * *
Lizards ought to get this book, speaking of smart things to do:

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

A primer on self-reliance and rural skills, this is a large-format book of 456 pages lavishly illustrated with photographs and drawings, about half in full color. Here are 57 subjects, many with subsets, as in gardening, which includes information on soil, cultivation methods, making and using a greenhouse, and specific information on many veggies, herbs, fruits. Some presentations are simplistic, like telling you how to find and evaluate a farm or can produce in only four pages. Building and using a smokehouse gets one page. Using dairy products butters ten pages. Woodworking and furniture making nail down thirty pages. Build and decorate a house and the chairs, tables, beds to furnish it. Build a springhouse, a dam, a well, a water system. Grow vegetables, fruits, grains. Raise bees, fish, chickens, ducks, geese, rabbits, hogs, sheep, goats, cows, horses. Make cheese, maple syrup, beer, wine, bread, soap, candles, baskets. Cook with wood. Spin yarn, use natural dyes, make cloth, quilts, rugs, hammocks. Learn tanning and leather work, tinsmithing, blacksmithing, toolmaking. Celebrate harvest and holidays with traditional decorations, recipes, toys, games, dances. Learn camping, hiking, fishing, canoeing, snowshoeing, skiing. Whew! This book will keep you happily occupied for several decades.

819 yochanan  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:16:34am

DEFEAT will make us stronger YEAH RIGHT

820 JustMyView  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:17:10am

re: #798 ec marm

McCains appearance was scheduled weeks, if not months ago. In your view he should cancel a speech for what reason again?

It's absolutely up to him when and where he speaks. My point was that I don't think he did himself any favors last night. He gave a poor speech on an occasion when the comparison to someone giving a better speech was inevitable, but it was unnecessary to draw such direct comparisons (although, of course, they'll come in the next few months). That's an opinion, one that's shared by quite a few other people, many of whom regard themselves as conservatives and/or Republicans. Other people may have other opinions.

821 godfrey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:17:11am

re: #804 ploome hineni

Obama's oratory is a head fake.

822 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:17:16am

re: #796 JustMyView

What's your source on the "daily instruction"? Seriously, I want to know. I've heard that before, but I haven't seen anything that confirms it. What I've seen is that he attended two schools during his four years in Indonesia. One was a Catholic school (two years), and the other was a public school.

Indonesia and many other Asian countries require daily religious education in the religion in which the child is duly registered and have done for decades. As do most European countries.

823 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:17:26am

re: #815 phoenixgirl

did she just endorse obama?

Not in so many words. Almost like damning him with faint praise.

824 madisonsfriend  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:17:33am

re: #813 Honorary Yooper

Oh, like DC nightlife is all that good.

/bang! bang! bang! The the sirens come.

Just stay away from the new H street corridor, Adams morgan,
the new U street hot spots, the club at 17th and L- and well, just stay home.

825 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:17:42am

re: #819 yochanan

DEFEAT will make us stronger YEAH RIGHT

It's all Orwell to me.

826 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:17:47am
827 ec marm  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:18:31am

re: #804 ploome hineni

Obama's speech reminded me of the State of the Union speech...he had everything there including the kitchen sink


What's your opinion of the reception he received? My applausemeter was all over the place. From muted to strong.

828 Spider Mensch  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:18:42am

re: #793 buzzsawmonkey

They don't want to move, because the Tel Aviv nightlife is so much better.

thats exactly it. just like the UN should be in some deserving 3rd world country to spread the wealth. Nope, NYC for the high life of course, and they'll never leave. Tel Aviv, lovely israeli girls on the beach? the clubs & restaurants, the night life? The diplo's will never give that up.

829 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:18:42am

re: #818 alegrias

Lizards ought to get this book, speaking of smart things to do:

Um. Look. The book might be a nice thing to get anyway. But we're really not all about to be thrown back to a subsistence economy. Let's all settle down a bit.

830 phoenixgirl  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:18:45am

re: #823 Who Watches the Watchmen?

she's looking puffy, either she drank a lot last nite or cried a lot last nite.

831 madisonsfriend  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:18:55am

re: #826 buzzsawmonkey

huh? Adams Morgan ? U Street?

832 laZardo  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:19:02am

re: #822 galloping granny

Where I live (and regarding colleges here at least), you get religious education even if you're not registered to that religion.

/and this is a predominantly Catholic country. Says quite a lot about the state of things...

833 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:19:12am
834 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:19:13am
835 Shug  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:19:18am

re: #810 The Rebbitzen

Hillary is now kissing up to Obama. I want to scratch my eyes out!

behind thu scenes Clinton, inc. will be doing everything they can to see BHO loses in a landslide. No second chances for big losers. Just ask mondale ,dukakis, dole and john effing carry.
McCain may do 1 term and Hillary will getb the nod in 4 yrs.

The Clintons are ruthless

836 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:19:37am

re: #820 JustMyView

He gave a poor speech on an occasion when the comparison to someone giving a better speech was inevitable, but it was unnecessary to draw such direct comparisons (although, of course, they'll come in the next few months). That's an opinion, one that's shared by quite a few other people, many of whom regard themselves as conservatives and/or Republicans.

I do agree with you on that point. So did Bill Kristol last night.

837 madisonsfriend  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:19:52am

re: #833 savage_nation

"weet"- that could be one of two things, you know!

838 JustMyView  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:19:53am

re: #822 galloping granny

Indonesia and many other Asian countries require daily religious education in the religion in which the child is duly registered and have done for decades. As do most European countries.

There's daily religious instruction in European schools? Again, what's the source.

839 phoenixgirl  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:20:08am

re: #818 alegrias

i'm not sure my hoa will allow the spring house, or well.

840 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:20:54am

re: #826 buzzsawmonkey

The curious thing about DC nightlife

I wouldn't know anything about this. I've always spent my evenings in prayerful reflection.

841 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:21:00am

Hillary invoking Rabin & Sharon. Secretly waiting to give Obama the big "Shalom, Haver."

842 laZardo  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:21:00am

re: #833 savage_nation

Either you forgot the first 's' or accidentally added a second 'e'.

As I go to bed, I'm hoping for the latter. (;

/night!

843 savage_nation[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:21:02am
844 yochanan  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:21:08am

re: #797 madisonsfriend

It is one of the three lies "I'm from the gov't and I'm here to help you", "the check is in the mail" and "Don't worry, baby, I'm clean and sterile"

HILL IS TELLING WOPPERS NO PRESSURE FROM BILL ON ISRAEL YEAH RIGHT

4th rule 'it is for the children' remember to hold on to your wallet.

845 Shug  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:21:21am

savage must be in weetland wyoming

846 alegrias  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:21:32am

re: #810 The Rebbitzen

Hillary is now kissing up to Obama. I want to scratch my eyes out!

* * *
First, do not harm yourself.

847 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:21:42am

re: #832 laZardo

Where do you live?

848 vxbush  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:21:47am

re: #782 buzzsawmonkey

Most Like an Arch This Marriage
by John Ciardi

I met Ciardi about a week before he died. Nice man.

849 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:21:49am

re: #832 laZardo

Where I live (and regarding colleges here at least), you get religious education even if you're not registered to that religion.

/and this is a predominantly Catholic country. Says quite a lot about the state of things...

We never got religious education in public school, but the district I went to grade school in had fish or a meatless dish during Fridays in Lent.

/town's about 70% Catholic.

850 rw in san diego  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:21:57am

re: #842 laZardo

LOL

851 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:21:59am

re: #838 JustMyView

There's daily religious instruction in European schools? Again, what's the source.

Ask any European. Certainly was the case in Germany when I lived there. Read Diary of Anne Frank for documentation on religious education ~1940 in Holland.

Religious education is a standard part of the curriculum in many countries. Just not here.

852 phoenixgirl  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:22:02am

i know i'm not allowed to keep farm creatures either, city ordinances.

853 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:22:34am

re: #796 JustMyView

The report I read said that Obama was registered at his school as a Muslim and as such he received 2 classes per week in "Religious Studies", which means in Islam. As part of that instruction Obama was taught how to pray and to recite the Shahada. Under Sharia Law, reciting that prayer confirms a person as Muslim. Also under Sharia law, any child born to a Muslim father is automatically a Muslim. The child & the child's mother have no say in that. Obama did attend mosque with his family a few times while in Indonesia.

After Obama returned to America, there is no record of him attending a mosque. He described himself as an atheist until Rev. Wright introduced him the Christianity.

It is clear then, Obama was technically considered a Muslim when he was a child, even if he did not embrace the faith. Technically then, Obama is an apostate Muslim.

854 realwest  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:22:52am

Well y'all it's been grand - especially watching/reading Just My View's excellent attempts to defend Obama out here.
However, I gotta go do some chores now, hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

855 godfrey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:22:53am

re: #826 buzzsawmonkey

Nothing says "inviting!" like Soviet bus stop.

Except maybe Bauhaus binge drinking.

856 Widow'smight  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:23:34am

re: #776 WriterMom

Here's the article I found about it.

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

857 laZardo  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:24:01am

re: #847 Occasional Reader

As I've said a number of times before, I live in Manila. About the only major non-religious college here is the state-run University of the Philippines.

Though to give you an idea of what UP is like, people have said it's the country's UC Berkeley. So I guess we should be half-thankful for the Christianized private college system...though as is the case with the churches here, they do stealthily dip their hands in politics every now and then.

858 rw in san diego  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:24:05am

BBL. Have a great day, all.

859 ec marm  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:24:07am

re: #836 Occasional Reader

I do agree with you on that point. So did Bill Kristol last night.


McCain will never be able to compete head to head in speechgiving against Obama. But for JustMyView to imply that he should cancel a pre-scheduled speech to avoid the potential comparison is irrational. Can you imagine the MSM headline the next day:
"McCain cancels speech, 'Knew Obama Would Show Him Up'"

860 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:24:16am

Hillary's speech is much better than Barry's.

861 J.S.  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:24:17am

re: #796 JustMyView

Daniel Pipes wrote the following article: "Barack Obama's Muslim Childhood"...

862 infidelia  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:24:34am

re: #812 opnion

Oh it can be worse than that. Even while Obama was addressing AIPAC this morning I was wondering if the attendees were aware of his attending meetings with Palestinian groups in Hyde Park in Chicago.
One does not attend a Church for 20 years that is among other things anti Semitic and develop an affection for Israel.

If a candidate had attended services in a anti-semitic and white supremacist hate-preaching church, counted KKK and Aryan Nation members amongst his closest friends and most influential advisors, then upon launching a bit for POTUS tried to claim that all that stuff went against his deepest principles, would you believe him about that or anything else including the time of day?

We is being had.

863 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:24:46am

re: #855 godfrey

Nothing says "inviting!" like Soviet bus stop.

On the plus side, if you just flip it over, it doubles as a tank trap.

864 Iron Fist  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:24:49am

re: #807 Silhouette,

That appears to be their arguement. Never mind that the Palestinian "State" won't be viable as long as it has dysfunctional leaders. No matter what they do to Israel.

865 slokat  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:24:53am

"weet" is night lizard slang that started with a typo (by beachkatie if I remember correctly)

866 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:24:56am
867 nyc redneck  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:24:58am

re: #818 alegrias

what a great recommendation. thank you. i'm going to get a copy.
i've got a couple of the foxfire books. they're amazing. one chapter is:
"how to wash clothes in an iron pot"

868 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:25:16am

Airline bomb plot 'taken out of proportion'

An east London man alleged to be the ringleader of a terrorist cell accused of plotting to murder thousands in attacks on transatlantic planes has claimed his intentions had been "taken out of proportion".
Abdulla Ahmed Ali, 27, said he expected to go to prison for planning to explode a device at Heathrow Airport's terminal three in protest against current foreign policy.

However, speaking on Wednesday from the dock at Woolwich Crown Court he said he refused to admit to something he never intended to do.

He said: "I understand that admitting to use an explosive device in a sensitive place such as an airport is an offence and I don't expect to go home after the trial, I expect to do time for that.

But he added: "This whole thing has been blown up out of proportion. I'm not going to admit to something I didn't do and never intended to do."

Not the best choice of words.

869 The Rebbitzen  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:25:17am

I can't listen to this regurgitated Bill policy-speak anymore. If her husband had done his job instead of receiving them, we wouldn't be in this situation right now.

Off to work-- Have a great day Lizards!

870 laZardo  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:25:22am

re: #855 godfrey

In Soviet Russia, Bus Stops YOU!

/in Communist China, it's a tank.

871 mama winger  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:25:23am

Wow - listening to Hillary on Israel. I'm almost persuaded to send her some money. :)

872 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:25:26am

re: #857 laZardo

As I've said a number of times before

Sure, but we just love hearing you say it.

Where do you live, again?

873 DesertSage  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:25:50am

Hillary and Obama talk tough....but like most Democrats, they don't back up what they say with any action.

874 JustMyView  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:25:52am

re: #816 savage_nation

So what if he said it or not? Obama is not fit to wipe my ass with a Koran.

I don't think he'll be too troubled by that assessment, as I don't think he'd have much interest in doing it.

875 mama winger  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:25:54am

She is really growling against anti-semitism.

876 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:25:59am

re: #855 godfrey

Nothing says "inviting!" like Soviet bus stop.

Except maybe Bauhaus binge drinking.

Those are crimes against good architecture.

877 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:26:16am
878 mama winger  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:26:36am

Go Hillary.

879 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:26:42am

re: #780 snowcrash

Gosh, it wasn't to long ago Obama called Israel a constant wound and infects all our foreign policy.In the Atlantic IIRC. Hmmmm

Actually, he did refer to the conflict between Israel and its neighbors, but it doesn't take much to see that he really meant Israel.

But he must have had a waffle since then, because this is what he said in today's speech:

The question is how to move forward. There are those who would continue and intensify this failed status quo, ignoring eight years of accumulated evidence that our foreign policy is dangerously flawed. And then there are those who would lay all of the problems of the Middle East at the doorstep of Israel and its supporters, as if the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is the root of all trouble in the region. These voices blame the Middle East’s only democracy for the region’s extremism. They offer the false promise that abandoning a stalwart ally is somehow the path to strength. It is not, it never has been, and it never will be.

Well, B. Hussein, didn't you say the conflict is a "constant sore"? Didn't you actually put the blame there?

880 razorbacker  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:27:03am

I guess that I've heard all my life how so very much better the BBC is than the profit-driven drivel that Stateside television offers.

Proof, I suppose, comes with BBC America's offerings. Just look at today's lineup.

You Are What You Eat (twice)-Really? There are fat people in England? Who knew?

How Clean Is Your House (twice)-Do the English really need someone to urge them to not live in filth?

Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares-Chief amongst the nightmares would be finding that twit clattering about with your pots and pans.

Cash in the Attic
-Good Lord! The English sure have some cool stuff taking up space. Kinda pricey, though.

Bargain Hunt-Might be fun, but the downside is close proximity to David Davidson.

And we repeat until the BBC World News America comes along to point out America's shortcomings.

I'm not so impressed as I'd expected to be.

881 alegrias  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:27:21am

re: #829 Occasional Reader

Um. Look. The book might be a nice thing to get anyway. But we're really not all about to be thrown back to a subsistence economy. Let's all settle down a bit.

* * *

It's just an inexpensive Reader's Digest book on Basic American Skills!

It's a fantastic reference book to show you or your family just how independent, self-reliant, resourceful, hardworking, successful Americans had to be until recently, without NANNY STATE telling or giving and taking everything you need to live.

882 rw in san diego  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:27:34am

re: #871 mama winger

LOL! Now, I'm really off to walk the dog.

883 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:27:51am
884 JustMyView  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:28:04am

re: #832 laZardo

Where I live (and regarding colleges here at least), you get religious education even if you're not registered to that religion.

/and this is a predominantly Catholic country. Says quite a lot about the state of things...

You're in the Philipines, right?

885 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:28:07am

re: #856 Widow'smight

Sadly, it's an ongoing issue.

886 laZardo  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:28:38am

re: #872 Occasional Reader

MANILAAAAAAAAA.

/okay, now my eyelids are collapsing.

887 snowcrash  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:28:52am

re: #879 Kosh's Shadow
Thank you Kosh!

888 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:29:03am

re: #878 mama winger

LOL. I would have never EVAH thought I would hear ya say it.

889 nyc redneck  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:29:20am

it's so disgusting and transparent as to why b.o. now is trying to sound like a tuff guy. like he's going to lay down the law to iran, all of a sudden.
and how interesting that he's wearing the flag pin (all of a sudden.)
lets not forget that photo of his good friend and cohort, bill ayers, stomping on the american flag.
i detest these people.

890 laZardo  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:29:25am

re: #884 JustMyView

Yep.

891 J.S.  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:29:46am

re: #838 JustMyView

O c'mon. Please. In Europe the churches and synagogues get government (tax) monies -- religious institutions are supported by the state, and people at birth are registered accordingly, then taxed. (In France there have been problems with Islam -- it's not been officially recognized as a religion...hence, mosques are built through private donations...Muslims have wanted to change this for a long time now -- I don't know if they have yet...would have to check).

892 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:29:53am

re: #813 Honorary Yooper

Oh, like DC nightlife is all that good.

/bang! bang! bang! The the sirens come.

You're from Detroit? People in glass houses, etc., etc.

893 Endangered in MASS  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:29:55am

re: #604 loppyd

He is either stupid or naive or lying

D) All of the above.

894 opnion  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:30:07am

re: #838 JustMyView

There's daily religious instruction in European schools? Again, what's the source.

ABC news went to Indonesia in order to help Barry out by debunking the Madrassa school rumor.
They talked to the head master of the school that Obama attended.
Success! It was a public school that Obama attended from grade 1 through 6.
But, Barry was registered as a Muslim & received two hours of Islamic instruction per day

895 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:30:09am

re: #855 godfrey

Nothing says "inviting!" like Soviet bus stop.

Except maybe Bauhaus binge drinking.

On the other hand, and speaking of DC... something they got right; when they finally figured out (after 37 years or so, but hey) that it would be better to COVER the DC Metro entrances, both so that passengers aren't emerging straight into rain/snow, and to save wear and tear on the escalators from said rain/snow; when they finally did it, they did it right, IMHO.

896 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:30:23am

re: #876 Honorary Yooper

re: #877 buzzsawmonkey

Modern architecture is usually a bad idea.

—Ojoe the Architect.

Traditional Russian Architecture.

897 GregInSeattle  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:30:29am

BHO is a Manchurian Candidate.

"White greed runs a world in need"

898 mama winger  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:30:30am

re: #888 WriterMom

LOL. I would have never EVAH thought I would hear ya say it.

I have even shocked myself. lol

899 JustMyView  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:31:19am

re: #851 galloping granny

Ask any European. Certainly was the case in Germany when I lived there. Read Diary of Anne Frank for documentation on religious education ~1940 in Holland.

Religious education is a standard part of the curriculum in many countries. Just not here.

Interesting. Would really be interested in more detail. Anne Frank's school days were a long time ago. Europe is so secular. I'm surprised to hear that there'd be religious teaching in state-supported schools.

900 godfrey  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:31:36am

re: #883 buzzsawmonkey

No, it's not the Whitney -- but even having to ask the question indicates the boring sameness of the Bauhaus style, doesn't it? Feh to all that. Give me, as you say, things on a human scale with interesting details. It's not that hard.

901 alegrias  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:31:48am

re: #839 phoenixgirl

i'm not sure my hoa will allow the spring house, or well.

* * *'
What's amazing to me is that Americans KNEW how to do these things so recently, without government help or handouts.

Today so many Americans can't do a thing unless their Home Owner's Association Kommiteh says so! (including me, a former Director on the Board)

902 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:32:12am

re: #881 alegrias

without NANNY STATE telling or giving and taking everything you need to live

Actually, very little of that is done (here) by the nanny state. It's done by private enterprise. And that's a good thing. I suppose I COULD illuminate my home using only homemade candles; but it's done a heck of a lot better with GE lightbulbs.

903 madisonsfriend  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:32:19am

re: #866 buzzsawmonkey

well the Castle is the original building but I don't know that people love it so much. I used to love it(30 years ago) because it had an excellent relatively inexpensive buffet lunch.

I don't think the current crop of 20/30 somethings give a damn about the architecture in Adams Morgan or U street where nightlife is the hottest for their age group

904 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:33:46am
905 madisonsfriend  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:33:49am

re: #875 mama winger

well, we know Bill likes jewish women!

906 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 4, 2008 8:34:45am