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Bobby Kennedy's 1948 Reports from Palestine

Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 5:06:34 pm PDT

It’s the 40th anniversary of the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy, and the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs has an extraordinary look at his 1948 Reports from Palestine.

* In April 1948, one month before Israel declared independence, Robert Kennedy, then 22, traveled to Palestine to report on the conflict for the Boston Post. His four dispatches from the scene were published in June 1948. The newspaper closed in 1956, and for decades the reports were virtually forgotten.

* “Unfortunately for [the Jews, Jerusalem’s water] reservoir is situated in the mountains and it and the whole pipeline are controlled by the Arabs. The British would not let them cut the water off until after May 15th but an Arab told me they would not even do it then. First they would poison it.”

* The Arab responsible for the blowing up of the Jewish Agency on March 11, 1948, said “that after the explosion, upon reaching the British post which separated the Jewish section from a small neutral zone set up in the middle of Jerusalem, he was questioned by the British officers in charge. He quite freely admitted what he had done and was given immediate passage with the remark, ‘Nice going.’”

* “The Jews informed the British government that 600 Iraqi troops were going to cross into Palestine from Trans-Jordan by the Allenby Bridge on a certain date and requested the British to take appropriate action to prevent this passage. The troops crossed unmolested....I saw several thousand non-Palestinian Arab troops in Palestine, including many of the famed British-trained and equipped Arab legionnaires of King Abdullah [of Trans-Jordan]. There were also soldiers from Syria, Lebanon, Iraq.”

* “The Arabs in command believe that eventually victory must be theirs. It is against all law and nature that this Jewish state should exist. They...promise that if it does become a reality it will never have as neighbors anything but hostile countries, which will continue the fight militarily and economically until victory is achieved.”

* “The Jews on the other hand believe that in a few more years, if a Jewish state is formed, it will be the only stabilizing factor remaining in the Near and Middle East. The Arab world is made up of many disgruntled factions which would have been at each other’s throats long ago if it had not been for the common war against Zionism.”

(Hat tip: Soccer Dad.)

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1 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:07:33pm
2 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:08:10pm
3 Dar ul Harbarian  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:09:11pm

Ah! 1948!

Back when Democrats were still sane.

4 coquimbojoe  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:09:49pm

Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose , or whatever....

5 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:09:50pm

I am ashamed for the British and awed by the Jews.

6 wolfie  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:09:52pm

re: #1 song_and_dance_man

Where is Babba?

7 tokyobk  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:10:25pm

Apparantly, and I do not know anything about RFK conspiricy theories, Sirhan was mumbling about revenge for Palestine when he shot Bobby Kennedy.

8 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:10:41pm
9 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:11:55pm

re: #5 goddessoftheclassroom

I am ashamed for the British and awed by the Jews.

Not all the British: Orde Wingate
[Link: www.azure.org.il...]

10 M. Murcek  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:12:18pm

Not much seems to ever change...

11 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:12:23pm

re: #9 Nevergiveup

Not all the British: Orde Wingate
[Link: www.azure.org.il...]

And it's worth the read.

12 Charles  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:13:00pm

Ugh. O'Reilly has that Jew-hating freak Buchanan on again.

13 gop_patriot  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:13:13pm

Wow.

The newspaper closed in 1956, and for decades the reports were virtually forgotten.

I'll say, I've never heard of this. Did I mention, wow?

14 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:13:28pm
15 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:13:31pm

re: #12 Charles

Ugh. O'Reilly has that Jew-hating freak Buchanan on again.

I really hate O'Reilly

16 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:13:41pm

Very interesting. It's a shame the Democrats have lost their way.

17 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:14:28pm
18 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:15:29pm
19 zimriel  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:15:29pm

And now, his brother stands side by side with Carter endorsing Barack H Obama...

20 tokyobk  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:15:59pm

The Arabs were and are correct that there is a Natural Law and that which offends it will be erased.

Unfortunately for those who hate the Jews more than they love their own children, that natural law is the ever spreading power of freedom of mind and markets. Israel's power is rooted in its harnessing of every advantage of modern society, including equality of men and women and scientific and intellectual ingenuity free from supersition.

21 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:16:01pm

re: #12 Charles

They really seem to be putting some effort into mainstreaming him. If this is a sign of things to come the Republicans might out-crazy the Democrats before Obama's first term is up.

22 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:16:03pm

re: #19 zimriel

And now, his brother stands side by side with Carter endorsing Barack H Obama...

And his niece

23 gop_patriot  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:16:09pm

re: #15 Nevergiveup

I really hate O'Reilly

Still, O'Reilly is better than Buchanan. Don't have Fox here, is O'Reilly grilling him? Or does he think Buchanan has something of importance to say?

24 nyc redneck  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:16:39pm

i bet he wouldn't feel very good that his niece is shilling for b.o. now.

25 phillygirl  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:16:47pm

You have to go to Israel to see its miracles. Then drive through the West Bank on the way to the Dead Sea and see what the "Palestinians" have done with the same barren land. Even if they had accepted the state that was given to them in 1948, the vista would remain the same. The cultures are completely opposite.

26 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:17:00pm

re: #23 gop_patriot

Fox has been pretty damn friendly to him lately. He's on almost every day.

27 gop_patriot  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:17:19pm

re: #21 Killgore Trout

the Republicans might out-crazy the Democrats before Obama's first term is up.

Bite your tongue. lol

28 mean Gene  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:17:21pm

The more things change the more they stay the same.
Interesting.

29 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:17:40pm
30 tokyobk  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:17:49pm

re: #19 zimriel

And now, his brother stands side by side with Carter endorsing Barack H Obama...

I don't trust him entirely either, but so far so good re Israel and Jerusalem.

31 BignJames  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:18:08pm

re: #23 gop_patriot

Still, O'Reilly is better than Buchanan. Don't have Fox here, is O'Reilly grilling him? Or does he think Buchanan has something of importance to say?


Heh, ....what do you think?

32 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:19:32pm

re: #27 gop_patriot

It can happen.

33 Charles  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:19:47pm

O'Reilly didn't grill him one bit.

Buchanan is obviously in tight with Fox News on some high level.

34 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:19:49pm

With all due respect, RFK was a little prick. That said, may he rest in eternal peace.

/the whole Kennedy dynasty is originally based on the proceeds of criminal enterprise

35 solomonpanting  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:20:36pm
The Arab world is made up of many disgruntled factions which would have been at each other’s throats long ago if it had not been for the common war against Zionism.”

"Some things, they never change...."

36 cybermonk  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:21:02pm

re: #33 Charles

he's big buds with Hannity, on his show all the time. I've written to Hannity several times, no reply. He actually pretends Buchanan has something worthwhile to say.

37 Charles  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:21:14pm

That was nauseating. O'Reilly just sat there and nodded while Buchanan spewed his bizarre "we didn't appease Hitler enough" crackpot theory.

38 mekan  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:21:19pm

Wow,
I am ashamed that I did not realize the connection of RFKs assassin to Palestine and the anti-Israel people.

39 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:21:41pm
In many cases Jews and Arabs work side by side in the fields and orange groves outside of Tel Aviv. Perhaps these Jews and Arabs are making a greater contribution to the future peace in Palestine than are those who carry guns."


It's a shame things have worked out the way they did.

40 nyc redneck  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:21:54pm

what an honest straight forward assessment of the situation.
that puts a whole new perspective on bobby kennedy for me.
what happened to his kids?
what happened to reporting. he wasn't even a journalist and only 22 yrs. old.
we got a good newspaper story from him.

41 sojerofgod  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:21:55pm

Buchannan is a bigoted pig and any television network with an ounce of integrity or self respect would kick is butt out the door.
Of course there ARE no tv networks with an ounce of integrity...

42 The Shadow Do  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:22:24pm

re: #14 buzzsawmonkey

It is important to remember that the Muslim world has been openly at war with us for 40 years. That before the Carter appeasement of Iran, a "Palestinian" murdered a Presidential candidate in cold blood.

That any President of the United States should deal with the murderers of a Presidential candidate, or their ideological children, is a shame and a scandal.

Sirhan Sirhan was never explained by the media at the time. He was written off as just another lone crazed gunman. How different would things be if the media had done their job at the time I wonder.

43 gop_patriot  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:22:25pm

re: #26 Killgore Trout

Fox has been pretty damn friendly to him lately. He's on almost every day.

So it's a good thing that I don't get Fox News. Gotcha. ;)

Really, I don't understand that at all. If I know what Pat is about, why don't they? The information is RIGHT THERE. Sheesh.

/margaritas by the pool are helping me cope. Just saying.

44 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:23:34pm

re: #38 mekan

Wow,
I am ashamed that I did not realize the connection of RFKs assassin to Palestine and the anti-Israel people.

/count the bullets, it varies

45 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:23:45pm

Wonder if Sirhan read the Boston Post?

-S-

46 Mars Needs Neocons  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:24:25pm

re: #21 Killgore Trout

They really seem to be putting some effort into mainstreaming him. If this is a sign of things to come the Republicans might out-crazy the Democrats before Obama's first term is up.

On a sorta plus side we just had a gop nominee win the primary here and the gop has been asking him to leave for years.

His stands:
Establishment of American Parliament.
Nationalize the oil industry
universal healthcare
massive expansion of the fdr programs.

We don't want him in the party, but somehow the people of MT gave him enough to become a nominee. I think I may support the dem this time.

47 Bacchus's daddy  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:24:41pm

This report is very reminiscent of many of the details in Leon Uris' Exodus, regarding the incredible odds that the Jews overcame in establishing modern Israel, not the least of which were rabidly anti-semitic Arabs, and those in the British services who enabled them (by no means all British forces however).

This is superior testimony that a piece of historical fiction, however, and written by a non-Jew.

48 gop_patriot  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:24:54pm

re: #37 Charles

That was nauseating. O'Reilly just sat there and nodded while Buchanan spewed his bizarre "we didn't appease Hitler enough" crackpot theory.

You're KIDDING. Is there a place at FoxNews.com that they have a transcript?

49 sojerofgod  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:25:10pm

This buchannan screed turns history on it's head, and makes good guys out of bad guys, the coffers must be gettin' kinda low, ol' Pat hasn't run for anything in a few years and I imagine the donations have long ago dried up.
So.... Write a book that says "the sinners, all are saints" in words of the Rolling Stones, and see how much air time that buys you on your old network, Fots Snewz

50 ladycatnip  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:25:39pm

#2 song_and_dance_man

Sen. Robert F. Kennedy, brother of slain U.S. President John F. Kennedy and former U.S. Attorney General, was the leading Democratic candidate for president when he was gunned down at a primary victory celebration in California on June 5, 1968. His Palestinian assassin, Sirhan Sirhan, said he killed Kennedy due to his vocal support for Israel.

How on earth did Ted's ideology morph into what it is today? By 2008 standards both RFK and JFK were quite conservative, not to mention being supporters of Israel.

51 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:25:39pm

re: #34 Killian Bundy

With all due respect, RFK was a little prick. That said, may he rest in eternal peace.

/the whole Kennedy dynasty is originally based on the proceeds of criminal enterprise

My grandfather went into business with a pharmacist after he got out of the Navy. It was during prohibition, and he sold whiskey from under the counter. When Prohibition ended, they bought a building and on one side was the Pharmacy and on the other side my Grandfather opened his Liquor Store. So I'll give the Kennedy's a bye on that one. But that's just me. But RFK was a nasty little prick. May he rest in peace.

52 Mars Needs Neocons  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:25:39pm

re: #42 The Shadow Do

Sirhan Sirhan was never explained by the media at the time. He was written off as just another lone crazed gunman. How different would things be if the media had done their job at the time I wonder.

Or if they'd do it now.

53 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:25:41pm

re: #38 mekan

Wow,
I am ashamed that I did not realize the connection of RFKs assassin to Palestine and the anti-Israel people.

"mekan" -

RFK's murder was arguably the first Islamo-Terrorist attack on the US.

-S-

54 Macker  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:25:56pm

What gets me is why Human Events carries Buchanan's columns. I delete the ones they send me via e-mail.

55 samjohnson  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:25:58pm

Don't forget the terrible loss Pat Buchanan suffered when his uncle died in a concentration camp: he fell of the guard tower.

56 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:26:15pm

re: #33 Charles

O'Reilly didn't grill him one bit.

Buchanan is obviously in tight with Fox News on some high level.

Which is disgusting on numerous levels.

57 sojerofgod  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:26:29pm

That was one helluva run-on sentence I just wrote there.

Hmmm.

58 Maximu§  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:26:50pm

60 years!

59 UncleSam  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:27:07pm

re: #50 ladycatnip

#2 song_and_dance_man


How on earth did Ted's ideology morph into what it is today? By 2008 standards both RFK and JFK were quite conservative, not to mention being supporters of Israel.

I think the murders of Teddy's brothers drove him insane.

60 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:27:10pm
61 sojerofgod  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:28:18pm

I came up with a new sticker today, which i simply call Change.
I accept criticism well if any is offered...

62 Irene NYC  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:29:31pm

Well, for the record, Victor Davis Hanson wrote about Buchanan today - maybe O'Reilly could learn a thing or two.... Nah, that's hoping for too much.

Take the new book by conservative pundit Patrick Buchanan, "Churchill, Hitler and 'The Unnecessary War': How Britain Lost Its Empire and the West Lost the World." Buchanan argues that, had the imperialist Winston Churchill not pushed poor Hitler into a corner, he would have never invaded Poland in 1939, which triggered an unnecessary Allied response.

Maybe then the subsequent world war, and its 50 million dead, could have been avoided. Taking that faulty argument to its logical end, I suppose today a united West might live in peace with a reformed (and victorious) Nazi Third Reich!

. . . .
In the luxury of some 60 years of postwar peace and affluence -- and perhaps in anger over the current Iraq war -- Buchanan and Baker and other revisionists engage in a common sort of Western second-guessing. The result is that they always demand liberal democracies be not just better and smarter than their adversaries, but almost superhuman in their perfection.

Buchanan and others, for example, fault the Treaty of Versailles that ended World War I as too harsh on a defeated Germany and thus an understandable pretext for the rise of the Nazis, who played on German anger and fear.

Those accords may have been flawed, but they were far better than what Germany itself had offered France in 1871 after the Franco-Prussian War, or Russia after its collapse in 1917 -- or what it had planned for Britain and France had it won the First World War. What ultimately led to World War II was neither Allied meanness to Germany between the two wars nor an unwillingness to understand the Nazis' pain and anguish.

The mistake instead was not occupying all of imperial Germany after the first war in 1918-19. That way, the Allies would have demonstrated to the German people that their army was never "stabbed in the back" at home, as the Nazis later alleged, but instead defeated by an Allied army that was willing to stay on to foster German constitutional government and its reintegration within Europe. The Allies later did occupy Germany after World War II -- and 60 years without war have followed.

63 solomonpanting  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:30:25pm

re: #53 Dr. Shalit

"mekan" -

RFK's murder was arguably the first Islamo-Terrorist attack on the US.

-S-

Wasn't Sirhan a Christian (supposedly)?

64 ladycatnip  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:30:32pm

Buchanan is an embarrassment to all conservatives and to all Christians (since he professes to be one). There should be no quarter for him on any news show. He's in the same league as Rev. Wright and Fr. Pfleger.

65 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:30:52pm
66 Buster Bunny  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:30:53pm

re: #42 The Shadow Do

Sirhan Sirhan was never explained by the media at the time. He was written off as just another lone crazed gunman. How different would things be if the media had done their job at the time I wonder.

Sirhan was marked in the media of the time as a crazed Egyptian homicidal maniac.

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was always a homicidal Jordanian psychopath.

The media know what they are doing. Allowing palestinians to get away with murder.

67 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:32:28pm
Sirhan's gun could hold only eight bullets. And yet, seven bullets were dug out of bodies. an eighth bullet was traced through two ceilings into airspace, and two more bullets were identified as lodged in the door frame of the pantry by both LAPD and FBI personnel (the fresh bullet holes were even labeled as such on their photographs). Inexcusably, the door frames were burned, the Los Angeles Police Dept. claimed no bullets were found lodged in the "bullet holes", and two expended bullets (inexplicably dug out of wood) were soon found in the front seat of Sirhan's car. The LAPD then destroyed their records of the tests that had been done on the "bullet holes" in the doorframe.

Make up your own mind.

/magic bullet II?

68 Irene NYC  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:34:21pm

Since Murdoch is on the record as supporting Obama, could having Buchanan on Fox news so often be his crazy way of supporting Obama?

/crazier things have been known to happen

69 funkyfantom  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:34:54pm

re: #53 Dr. Shalit

"mekan" -

RFK's murder was arguably the first Islamo-Terrorist attack on the US.

-S-

Sirhan was a Christian.

70 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:35:05pm

re: #68 Irene NYC

Since Murdoch is on the record as supporting Obama, could having Buchanan on Fox news so often be his crazy way of supporting Obama?

/crazier things have been known to happen

He is not really on the record as supporting Obama. He just said a few nice things about him.

71 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:36:25pm

re: #9 Nevergiveup

Not all the British: Orde Wingate
[Link: www.azure.org.il...]

Thank you. I've not heard of him until now.

72 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:36:32pm
73 LoFlyer  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:36:40pm

re: #62 Irene NYC

Both sides expected easy victories in WWI, but it was the bloodiest in history to that point. That's why the Versailles treaty was so stringent. Churchill did not enter the WWII arena till 1939 after the Nazi's invaded Poland and began the war. Britain lost her empire during WWII saving western democracy. We should never forget our debts to the UK.

74 Charles  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:37:33pm

Don't forget what Buchanan did to Rudy Giuliani -- and don't forget that he has been forging alliances with the European fascists.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

75 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:37:48pm

re: #71 goddessoftheclassroom

Thank you. I've not heard of him until now.

The Premier Sports Academy or more properly Sports University in Israel is named after him.

76 sojerofgod  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:38:31pm

re: #74 Charles
I stand by my earlier bigoted pig remark.

77 tokyobk  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:39:00pm

With Buchanan, I cannot understand how someone who loves the West does not also at the very least respect the Jews, exemplars of the tradition in every area by every metric.

78 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:39:12pm
79 funkyfantom  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:39:55pm

re: #72 song_and_dance_man

Like B. Hussein?

Some of the worst Palestinian terrorists of the 60s and 70s were Christians- George Habash comes to mind. At this point- they are pretty much all Muslims- considering that the Muslim community has persecuted the Christians such that they have mostly emigrated.

80 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:41:30pm

re: #68 Irene NYC

Since Murdoch is on the record as supporting Obama, could having Buchanan on Fox news so often be his crazy way of supporting Obama?

/crazier things have been known to happen

Murdoch hasn't said he's supporting Glowbama. He said he thinks he's going to win.

His daughter has been hosting fundraisers over in the UK for him, however.

81 ladycatnip  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:41:35pm

#59 UncleSam

I think the murders of Teddy's brothers drove him insane.

That explains it. He was probably teetering on the brink, then Chappaquiddick sent him on over. Guilt is a powerful equalizer as it drives people to insanity; be they princes or paupers, it gets the job done.

82 Irene NYC  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:41:57pm

re: #70 Nevergiveup

He is not really on the record as supporting Obama. He just said a few nice things about him.

Well, this doesn't really sound like he's supporting McCain - and Murdoch calls himself McCain's friend? Sorry, I don't buy it.

"He [Obama] is a rock star. It's fantastic" "I love what he is saying about education." "I don't think he will win Florida.....but he will win in Ohio and the election". "I am anxious to meet him." "I want to see if he will walk the walk."

About the presumptive Republican nominee, Murdoch said, "McCain is a friend of mine. He's a patriot. But he's unpredicatble. Doesn't seem to know much about the economy. He has been in Congress a long time, and you have to make a lot of compromises. So what's he really stand for?... I think he has a lot of problems."

83 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:43:16pm

re: #82 Irene NYC

The NY Post - His flagship paper in the USA will no doubt come out in favor of McCain. That is all that really counts.

84 funkyfantom  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:43:38pm

re: #77 tokyobk

With Buchanan, I cannot understand how someone who loves the West does not also at the very least respect the Jews, exemplars of the tradition in every area by every metric.

There are two kinds of anti-Semites, the irrational and the cooly rational who exploit the irrational ones for personal gain.

I can't figure out which kind Buchanan is.

85 funkyfantom  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:44:56pm

re: #83 Nevergiveup

The NY Post - His flagship paper in the USA will no doubt come out in favor of McCain. That is all that really counts.

Why did the post endorse BO Hussein over Shrillary?

86 Robt S.  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:45:00pm
The Arab world is made up of many disgruntled factions which would have been at each other’s throats long ago if it had not been for the common war against Zionism."


Heh and Indeed! Some things will never change.

87 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:45:05pm
88 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:45:08pm

re: #78 song_and_dance_man

It will be 9 more years till the House Select Committee on Assassinations documents will be published by 2017 and the record unsealed.

/thank Arlen Specter

89 tokyobk  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:45:36pm

re: #80 JammieWearingFool

Murdoch hasn't said he's supporting Glowbama. He said he thinks he's going to win.

His daughter has been hosting fundraisers over in the UK for him, however.


I love LGF, but I would love it even more if this was widely understood here. It is possible to see both ability and his real chance of winning as some sort of giving in to a marxian-islamic conspiricy.

In fact, a key to beating Obama in November is not understimating him like the Clintons did who at the beginning of this race were scoffing at the idea of Obama as a VP pick.

90 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:45:38pm

re: #85 funkyfantom

Why did the post endorse BO Hussein over Shrillary?

In the dem primary? Somebody must hate Hilliary.

91 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:46:27pm
92 LoFlyer  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:46:27pm

re: #83 Nevergiveup

The NY Post - His flagship paper in the USA will no doubt come out in favor of McCain. That is all that really counts.

And there is no doubt who the NYT will endorse, of course! The famous Mr Obama!
/Sung to the theme of "Mr. Ed"!

93 Yankee Division Son  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:46:36pm

re: #37 Charles

That was nauseating. O'Reilly just sat there and nodded while Buchanan spewed his bizarre "we didn't appease Hitler enough" crackpot theory.

Glad I didn't watch it, (Red Sox are on) I loose more TV's watching crap like that...

94 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:46:39pm

re: #37 Charles

That was nauseating. O'Reilly just sat there and nodded while Buchanan spewed his bizarre "we didn't appease Hitler enough" crackpot theory.

Charles -

Buchanan is right - ON ONE THING - the Second World War Didn't HAVE to happen. Unfortuately - the "NAH-ZEES" forced the issue. End of story.

-S-

95 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:47:04pm

re: #89 tokyobk

I love LGF, but I would love it even more if this was widely understood here. It is possible to see both ability and his real chance of winning as some sort of giving in to a marxian-islamic conspiricy.

In fact, a key to beating Obama in November is not understimating him like the Clintons did who at the beginning of this race were scoffing at the idea of Obama as a VP pick.

I agree, we have to go after this unqualified Marxist like our lives depend on it.

96 tokyobk  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:47:16pm

re: #84 funkyfantom

There are two kinds of anti-Semites, the irrational and the cooly rational who exploit the irrational ones for personal gain.

I can't figure out which kind Buchanan is.


I think he is the sick-hearted type (meaning emotionally not mentally since both are sick), your irrational type. Because Israel and the Jews are keys to defending the West and he jabs at Israel every chance he gets.

97 funkyfantom  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:47:37pm

re: #74 Charles

Don't forget what Buchanan did to Rudy Giuliani -- and don't forget that he has been forging alliances with the European fascists.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

And don't forget that Buchanan has defended extermination camp guards, plus the German soldiers who massacred hundreds of American POWs during the Battle of the Bulge.

98 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:47:38pm

re: #92 LoFlyer

And there is no doubt who the NYT will endorse, of course! The famous Mr Obama!
/Sung to the theme of "Mr. Ed"!

Is that rag still publishing?

99 paxnhymn  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:48:21pm

re: #82 Irene NYC


Murdoch's greasing both sides of the skids in case he has to deal with the fairness doctrine....

100 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:49:49pm

re: #20 tokyobk

The Arabs were and are correct that there is a Natural Law and that which offends it will be erased.

Unfortunately for those who hate the Jews more than they love their own children, that natural law is the ever spreading power of freedom of mind and markets. Israel's power is rooted in its harnessing of every advantage of modern society, including equality of men and women and scientific and intellectual ingenuity free from supersition.

Israel's power is from G-d. In the final battle, it is the Muslims who will be on the losing side.

Sometimes, I think this is like the Exodus from Egypt, in which He hardened Pharaoh's heart so that the Exodus would show the power and glory of G-d.
Like that, He is hardening the Arab hearts, so that when they lose, the world will see the power of G-d.

101 godfrey  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:50:28pm

It's nice to see that once upon a time, Democrats could see straight.

102 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:51:06pm
103 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:51:07pm

re: #99 paxnhymn

Murdoch's greasing both sides of the skids in case he has to deal with the fairness doctrine....

Hardly surprising for a media Mogul. As a matter of fact as the Chief Operating Officer of a publicly trading company, he would be derelict if he did not. And in the interest of full disclosure, I own his stock.

104 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:51:28pm

re: #91 song_and_dance_man

Was he also on the Warren panel?

/he came up with the single bullet theory, too many wounds, too few bullets, needed an explanation, the records should be immediately released, why can't we know for sure?

105 Irene NYC  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:51:47pm

re: #73 LoFlyer

Both sides expected easy victories in WWI, but it was the bloodiest in history to that point. That's why the Versailles treaty was so stringent. Churchill did not enter the WWII arena till 1939 after the Nazi's invaded Poland and began the war. Britain lost her empire during WWII saving western democracy. We should never forget our debts to the UK.

I'm not sure what you're responding to. I just linked VDH's article about Buchanan as a contrast to O'Reilly giving him a free pass. As for "our" debt to the UK - my family is from the Baltics and we don't really feel any debt to the UK for signing onto the Yalta Convention. And I don't think that Britain was going to be able to hold onto her empire much longer anyway.

106 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:51:57pm
107 mikeinmd  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:51:58pm

re: #74 Charles

He sits over there at MSNBC laughing it up on Morning Joe. They seem to not mind having him around. Strange bedfellows.

108 funkyfantom  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:52:12pm

re: #96 tokyobk

I think he is the sick-hearted type (meaning emotionally not mentally since both are sick), your irrational type. Because Israel and the Jews are keys to defending the West and he jabs at Israel every chance he gets.

re: #98 Nevergiveup

Is that rag still publishing?

Two guys just climbed up their building to tell us that "Global Warming kills more than..something or other..." and "Malaria is Bad...", so someone must think the Times is relevant.

109 LoFlyer  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:52:33pm

re: #98 Nevergiveup

Is that rag still publishing?

I actually picked up a NYT about 10 years ago, and was impressed with the writing compared to my local rag the Atlanta-Journal/Constitution. Unfortunately it all had even more liberal tilt. I don't give either more than 10 years under their present orginizations.

110 jcm  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:53:37pm

re: #94 Dr. Shalit

Charles -

Buchanan is right - ON ONE THING - the Second World War Didn't HAVE to happen. Unfortuately - the "NAH-ZEES" forced the issue. End of story.

-S-

If the French at stood against Germany when Hitler re-occupied the Rhineland in Mar. '36. Records indicated that any show of force and the German Army would have retreated. The German generals where prepared for a coup. France folded, Hitler's power increased. And the rest as they say is history.

Hitler needed to be confronted early. The history of the war is one of appeasement.

111 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:54:12pm

re: #81 ladycatnip

#59 UncleSam

That explains it. He was probably teetering on the brink, then Chappaquiddick sent him on over. Guilt is a powerful equalizer as it drives people to insanity; be they princes or paupers, it gets the job done.

Ted wasn't exactly a prince prior to this day 40 years ago, but being in that family had its burdens, outside of his brothers being murdered.

I do have empathy for them. My father was a JFK delegate in 1960 and would have been for RFK in 1968. He was a supporter of his and knew him pretty well for a number of years after Kennedy moved to NY and became Senator. That was quite a traumatic moment for many. Politics aside, the Irish Catholics were very clannish and the Kennedys represented them to a great extent.

I have vague recollections as a young boy of the morning of June 6, 1968. My parents were crestfallen. While Bobby Kennedy was no saint (recall his associations with Joe McCarthy, which the left conveniently omits from their hagiography), he also was an extension of JFK, and many held high hopes for him.

That night 40 years ago indeed altered history.

112 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:54:17pm

re: #100 Kosh's Shadow

Israel's power is from G-d. In the final battle, it is the Muslims who will be on the losing side.

Sometimes, I think this is like the Exodus from Egypt, in which He hardened Pharaoh's heart so that the Exodus would show the power and glory of G-d.
Like that, He is hardening the Arab hearts, so that when they lose, the world will see the power of G-d.

It's certainly not my place to tell G-D how to do his job, but, yo G-D it's getting a little uncomfortable down here. If your not coming soon, could you please at least send us a dynamic leader? Just saying.

113 tokyobk  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:54:43pm

re: #100 Kosh's Shadow

Israel's power is from G-d. In the final battle, it is the Muslims who will be on the losing side.

Sometimes, I think this is like the Exodus from Egypt, in which He hardened Pharaoh's heart so that the Exodus would show the power and glory of G-d.
Like that, He is hardening the Arab hearts, so that when they lose, the world will see the power of G-d.

With great love for Israel and the Jewish people I respectfully disagree. This is not a religious fight, it is a fight between Enlightenment and barbarism. If there is a God and he does intervene in history and further does so for the Jews especially, it is only by nurturing better access to the world spirit of freedom in which the Jews have so disproportionally participated, more in secular than in religious avenues.

Halacha is infinitely more humane than the Sharia but neither is a match for the legal, intellectual and social institutions of the modern West.

114 Irene NYC  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:54:44pm

re: #83 Nevergiveup

The NY Post - His flagship paper in the USA will no doubt come out in favor of McCain. That is all that really counts.

I think it's pretty safe to say that his flagship paper now in the USA is the WSJ.
;)

115 Mich-again  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:54:53pm

Wow so much has changed in the last 50 years. Not.

Countdown to moonbats barking about besmirching Kennedy's "progressive" credibility by having the gall to reprint his own words.

Because you know, if he were still around today he'd be in lockstep with all the terrorist sympathizers in the Democratic party.

116 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:55:17pm

OK Everyone -

Re: Endorsements

The NYP will be the "Horse's Mouth" - Mr. Murdoch has a strange, quaint belief as regards "journalism" - It is called "Making Money - a/k/a a profit.

The NYT will, as always, be the Other, Flatulent, end of the animal.

-S-

117 VegasRick  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:56:07pm

re: #110 jcm

If the French at stood against Germany when Hitler re-occupied the Rhineland in Mar. '36. Records indicated that any show of force and the German Army would have retreated. The German generals where prepared for a coup. France folded, Hitler's power increased. And the rest as they say is history.

Hitler needed to be confronted early. The history of the war is one of appeasement.

Sounds familiar.

118 DesertSage  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:56:14pm

Obamatrons.

Can't stand 'em!

119 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:56:33pm
120 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:56:36pm

re: #114 Irene NYC

I think it's pretty safe to say that his flagship paper now in the USA is the WSJ.
;)

Well that is his also and I'll bet a whole lot that they will also come out squarely in the McCain camp.

121 mikeinmd  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:56:46pm

re: #107 mikeinmd

Never mind, Brz's girl is over there. Damn this wine glass is almost empty.

122 CIA Reject  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:57:11pm

re: #18 song_and_dance_man

Back before the Viet Nam war, the drug culture and the SDS.

...and KGB "active measures".

The poison has spread with time - Cold War "victory" be d*mned!

RFK would be lynched in the modern democrat party...

123 LoFlyer  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:57:15pm

re: #105 Irene NYC

I'm not sure what you're responding to. I just linked VDH's article about Buchanan as a contrast to O'Reilly giving him a free pass. As for "our" debt to the UK - my family is from the Baltics and we don't really feel any debt to the UK for signing onto the Yalta Convention. And I don't think that Britain was going to be able to hold onto her empire much longer anyway.

I suggest you do some Internet searches on what the UK did during WWII. They didn't have the industrial capacity of the US, and they didn't have effective tactics to start, but they held the line in '39 and '40. They were doing a hell of a lot more than Stalin and the Soviets were doing.. (signed non-aggression pacts with Germany during '39".

124 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:57:53pm
125 jaunte  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:57:56pm

Hey realwest, how are you? Did you get my bumpersticker?

126 Yankee Division Son  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:58:52pm

#37 Charles

It's really ridiculous, almost every European country tried to appease Hitler, and many, including Russia, England, Poland, Czechoslovakia, and others had non-aggression treaties with the Hitler. They did everything to ignore the threat, and blindly believed his endless promises of peace.

Gee.. How did that work out?

/Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

127 paxnhymn  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:58:58pm

re: #110 jcm

If the French at stood against Germany when Hitler re-occupied the Rhineland in Mar. '36. Records indicated that any show of force and the German Army would have retreated. The German generals where prepared for a coup. France folded, Hitler's power increased. And the rest as they say is history.

Hitler needed to be confronted early. The history of the war is one of appeasement.

well, France has always been such a wealth of tactical genius...can you say Maginot line?

128 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:59:07pm
129 DesertSage  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:59:12pm

Game time.

I don't have to think about elections, Lefties and Obamatrons for the next 3 hrs.

Go Lakers!

130 Carridine  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:59:12pm

re: #117 VegasRick
Appeasement, until it became too clear that further appeasement would lead directly to further enslavement by the uber-menschen Nazis

Appeasement, until it was a matter of life and death

Appeasement, until the stench of our cowardice filled us with the resolve to survive, and we marched into battle...

131 blue_like_jazz  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 5:59:44pm

re: #67 Killian Bundy

Make up your own mind.

/magic bullet II?


dude, i never heard this before! makes you wonder, doesn't it?

132 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 6:00:14pm

re: #126 Yankee Division Son

/Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Or to f-ck up even worse!

133 Catttt  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 6:00:50pm

re: #12 Charles

Ugh. O'Reilly has that Jew-hating freak Buchanan on again.

Yeah. Cringe.

134 funkyfantom  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 6:00:55pm

re: #122 CIA Reject

...and KGB "active measures".

The poison has spread with time - Cold War "victory" be d*mned!

RFK would be lynched in the modern democrat party...

Notice that RFK had an actual record of accomplishing important things before running for President. As Attorney General, he actually went to war against the Mafia, and nailed a number of top mobsters. There was talk of possible contracts against the guy.

Contrast this with Obama- what the F&&ck has this flyweight ever done? Community organizer. LOL. Organized a bottle and can drive, perhaps?

What does a Senator have to do except vote Yeah or Nay, anyway?

135 CIA Reject  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 6:01:16pm

re: #128 song_and_dance_man

SPOT ON! ! !

136 Irene NYC  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 6:01:16pm

re: #123 LoFlyer

I suggest you do some Internet searches on what the UK did during WWII. They didn't have the industrial capacity of the US, and they didn't have effective tactics to start, but they held the line in '39 and '40. They were doing a hell of a lot more than Stalin and the Soviets were doing.. (signed non-aggression pacts with Germany during '39".

I wouldn't quite call myself an "expert" on WWII, but I'm certainly more versed than most people today. and I know full well what the UK did and didn't do.

But why are you being so aggressive to my having posted and linked to VDH's article on Buchanan?

137 VegasRick  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 6:03:15pm

re: #130 Carridine

Appeasement, until it became too clear that further appeasement would lead directly to further enslavement by the uber-menschen Nazis

Appeasement, until it was a matter of life and death

Appeasement, until the stench of our cowardice filled us with the resolve to survive, and we marched into battle...

Will we do it again?

138 nyc redneck  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 6:04:29pm

bobby kennedy's report was so unbiased and honest that i'm shocked.
i guess i'm just used to the lies and manipulations of the msm today.
the contrast is stunning. we get only a slanted agenda now, not factual reporting.
of course i know this but when you see a true account compared to out right lies it is disturbing.
the msm is the worst thing that has happened to our country.

139 ConcernedAboutFaith  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 6:04:51pm

It's good to know some things never change...

140 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 6:04:54pm

re: #113 tokyobk

With great love for Israel and the Jewish people I respectfully disagree. This is not a religious fight, it is a fight between Enlightenment and barbarism. If there is a God and he does intervene in history and further does so for the Jews especially, it is only by nurturing better access to the world spirit of freedom in which the Jews have so disproportionally participated, more in secular than in religious avenues.

Halacha is infinitely more humane than the Sharia but neither is a match for the legal, intellectual and social institutions of the modern West.

All I'll say is that G-d doesn't always make obvious miracles. There is a section in the Prophets that describes enemy armies about to invade Israel, that are destroyed. It could fit the description of Arab armies waiting to invade after an Iranian nuke that goes off course and blows up the Arabs instead.
To some, that would not be a miracle, but to others, it would.

In any case, we are on the same side, and our disagreement here is quite minor.

141 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 6:07:06pm
142 CoCo  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 6:08:08pm

At least this calls to mind why my parents (in-laws included) are such blind followers of the Democraps. I can not convince them that it's been hijacked by the looney left. But, one thing Obama has done is caused both sets of parents to say that they will be voting Republican for the first time...

143 Yankee Division Son  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 6:08:08pm

re: #132 Nevergiveup

/Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Or to f-ck up even worse!

Indeed.

144 tokyobk  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 6:08:15pm

re: #128 song_and_dance_man

It is a battle between good and evil and those who don't know God will never be able to understand it.

Just do not see any evedince for the kind of historically involved God that many want to depend on. Meaning I am pretty sure God is not going to reach his hands down from the heavens and wipe Hamas clean. The advantages Israel has because it is committed to modern ideals and for example educating men and women etc...and of course as those play out in military and scientific areas.

If there is spiritual intelligence behind that, then great.

145 tokyobk  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 6:08:40pm

re: #140 Kosh's Shadow

All I'll say is that G-d doesn't always make obvious miracles. There is a section in the Prophets that describes enemy armies about to invade Israel, that are destroyed. It could fit the description of Arab armies waiting to invade after an Iranian nuke that goes off course and blows up the Arabs instead.
To some, that would not be a miracle, but to others, it would.

In any case, we are on the same side, and our disagreement here is quite minor.


Am Yisrael cahi!

146 tokyobk  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 6:08:49pm

chai

147 Carridine  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 6:10:29pm

re: #137 VegasRick
Probably... :(

148 J.S.  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 6:10:59pm

On the CNN channel here (I don't know who sponsors this commercial), you see Al Sharpton and Pat Buchanan sitting together (both smiling and laughing). They claim or act as if they're at polar opposites on the political spectrum. The reality is (imo) they're not at odds at all...they are alike in far more ways than not alike...Anyway, it's a disgusting commercial and it airs far too frequently.

149 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 6:12:08pm

re: #131 blue_like_jazz

dude, i never heard this before! makes you wonder, doesn't it?

More telling is why they've sealed the official records for decades to come.

/these assassinations occurred in the '60s, what's the big secret, why can't we know for sure?

150 ASU86PE  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 6:12:15pm

re: #50 ladycatnip
According to my Soil's Professor, Robert was the smartest of the three.

re: #100 Kosh's Shadow
Nehemiah 8:2 And Ezra the priest brought the law before the congregation both of men and women, and all that could hear with understanding, upon the first day of the seventh month.
10 Then he said unto them, Go your way, eat the fat, and drink the sweet, and send portions unto them for whom nothing is prepared: for this day is holy unto our LORD: neither be ye sorry; for the joy of the LORD is your strength.

I Pray Israel never forgets the stories and lessons from the past

151 CactusJack  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 6:13:03pm

re: Bobby Kennedy's 1948 Reports from Palestine

fantastic find. very interesting.

152 Alibaba  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 6:13:09pm

Don't forget that the British would not allow boats with Jews fleeing Germany to land in what is now Israel. Great Britian is filled with anti-Semites: apparently they hate the Jews more than the Moslems who are solely but surely destroying them. Foolish people!re: #5 goddessoftheclassroom

153 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 6:16:13pm

OK Everyone -

When OBAMA can fill RFK's SHOES, I might even consider voting for him. 'Til then, I will vote for "Cactus John" McCain, the "Damage Limitation" Candidate.

-S-

154 Alibaba  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 6:16:37pm

re: #126 Yankee Division Son
Don't forget that Russia and Germany invaded Poland together. Watch the movie Europa, Europa: the scenes in which the young German Jewish boy is living in Russian dominated Poland are very interesting (before Germany attacked Russia).

155 EE  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 6:17:46pm

It was very interesting and informative to read the reporting of Robert Kennedy at the time he visited what was then Palestine some 60 years ago. Thank you Charles for providing this.

156 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 6:18:21pm

re: #152 Alibaba

"Ali" -

Generally, the people of a democracy, as the UK is, notwithstanding the Monarchy, get what they want - IN SPADES!

-S-

157 Mich-again  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 6:18:30pm

re: #124 buzzsawmonkey

Buchanan is a Coughlinite.

I agree. A lot of people of his age group were subjected to that garbage posing as sermons on the radio when they were young. And from Charles Lindbergh and Henry Ford as well. All with deep ties to Detroit I might add.

I was subjected to that crapola 2nd hand from older neighbors and relatives when I was growing up here, but thankfully mom came from a poor Polish family in Detroit and would have none of that nonsense. I grew up being told all that hatred was 100% anti-Christian even though people who were allegedly religious and upstanding and religious espoused that.

Buchanan fits the bill as does John Murtha.

158 CIA Reject  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 6:32:27pm

re: #134 funkyfantom

Notice that RFK had an actual record of accomplishing important things before running for President. As Attorney General, he actually went to war against the Mafia, and nailed a number of top mobsters. There was talk of possible contracts against the guy.

Contrast this with Obama- what the F&&ck has this flyweight ever done? Community organizer. LOL. Organized a bottle and can drive, perhaps?

What does a Senator have to do except vote Yeah or Nay, anyway?

Well he managed to royally screw up rush hour traffic on I-66 in Northern Virginia this afternoon with his big rally to "Turn Virginia Blue" in '08. Yeah, good thinkin there BO- piss off everybody you're trying to win over by sticking 'em in traffic for an extra hour in 95 degree heat while they're trying to get home. Let me know how that works out for ya!

/SPIT!

159 Opinionated  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 6:47:51pm

IMH, Buchanan hates Jews by blaming them for three crucifixions.

He is a pre Vatican II Father Coughlin theological anti Semite.

He then blames Jews for the crucifying his hero and second father, Richard Nixon.

Finally, he believes he -and his Presidential ambitions- were also crucified by the Jews.

160 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 6:55:31pm
161 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 6:55:50pm
162 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 7:02:41pm
163 Macker  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 7:10:26pm

re: #134 funkyfantom

What does a Senator have to do except vote Yeah or Nay, anyway?

You forgot "Present."

164 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 7:10:51pm
165 yochanan  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 7:34:40pm

pat PUKEcanan fellows in the footsteps of anti semitic neo fascists like father caulklin and henry ford. it is one of the reasons why lots of older jews are democrats.

166 Tigger  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 7:35:57pm

I think the answer to why O'reilly hasn't grilled Buchanan is very simple. They share anti-Jewish sentiment in its many forms and variations. That explains Fox's position too. Fox News is not exactly pro-Israel, you know

167 gkong3  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 8:45:55pm

Any Christians here correlating this to end times prophecies in Daniel and Revelation, not to mention what Jesus speaks of in Matthew?

168 littleben  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 9:39:54pm

re: #100 Kosh's Shadow

Israel's power is from G-d. In the final battle, it is the Muslims who will be on the losing side.

Sometimes, I think this is like the Exodus from Egypt, in which He hardened Pharaoh's heart so that the Exodus would show the power and glory of G-d.
Like that, He is hardening the Arab hearts, so that when they lose, the world will see the power of G-d.

Not only the Arab hearts, but the Persian (Iranian) one.
There is an ancient Midrash which speaks of the Messiah's arrival and his conversation with G-d wherein the only nation mentioned in this post redemption recounting of the travails leading to this time is about the "evil Persians".

169 littleben  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 9:43:00pm

re: #166 Tigger

I think the answer to why O'reilly hasn't grilled Buchanan is very simple. They share anti-Jewish sentiment in its many forms and variations. That explains Fox's position too. Fox News is not exactly pro-Israel, you know

I agree; I think Fox has both pro and con reporters and anchors;
I noticed that Meghan Kelly was particularly snooty in her comments about Obama at AIpac, calling the music "cheesy", among other barbs.

170 aaron's rantblog  Thu, Jun 5, 2008 10:17:35pm

Before 9/11, before the USS Cole, before the Beirut barracks, 40 years ago, Palestinian Sirhan Sirhan murdered a US presidential candidate, ostensibly for supporting the existence of a Jewish state.

Why do Democrats and leftists and Kennedy-worshippers not despise those who hate with murderous passion the values Bobby Kennedy stood for?

In the meantime, can somebody show me how McCain is to the right of anything Hubert Humphrey stood for?

171 eaglewingz08  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 9:22:10am

Everyone knows that Bobby Kennedy was one of the first victims of He Who Must Not Be Named and his deatheaters. That's why the report is being hushed up until 2017.

172 sultan_knish  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 10:17:20am

re: #77 tokyobk

With Buchanan, I cannot understand how someone who loves the West does not also at the very least respect the Jews, exemplars of the tradition in every area by every metric.

Buchanan doesn't love the West. He loves a specific idea of the West that's rooted in a backward totalitarian vision not atypical of his type of ideologue. It's why he's sympathetic to the Nazis and hates Jews.

173 sultan_knish  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 10:24:36am

re: #124 buzzsawmonkey

Buchanan is a Coughlinite. The Catholic Church, since WWII, has striven to overcome its historical antisemitism and expunge its vestiges, but the mindset exemplified by Father Coughlin was alive and active in the Church in Patrick Buchanan's formative years.

Coughlin and his followers had no trouble making common cause with fascists, or with the antisemitic aspects of fascist ideology. It is no surprise that Buchanan looks upon WWII as an unnecessary mistake; no surprise that his Irish heritage prompts him to blame the British for the war's outbreak; no surprise that he looks with disfavor upon Jews.

Buchanan is a Coughlinite and like Coughlin, he has no problem making deals with left wing radicals for his own agenda. He is a reactionary Catholic, however I doubt his opposition to WW2 was based on Irish nationalism, Buchanan tends to play that down in favor of Scottish and German heritage, for whatever reason.

The Nazis however were seen as overturning the republican reforms and restoring the old nationalist and catholic hegemonies. To paleoconservatives, the idea of a fascist uprising to sweep away the reformers and impose a nationalist dictatorship remains quite appealing.

Buchanan, shortly before he announced he was running for president in 1995: "You just wait until 1996, then you'll see a real right-wing tyrant."

174 Wishbone  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 11:21:24am

re: #152 Alibaba

Don't forget that the British would not allow boats with Jews fleeing Germany to land in what is now Israel.

Let's not forget that America refused permission for Jews fleeing persecution to land on her own shores. Unless it's convenient for you, that is.

Great Britian is filled with anti-Semites: apparently they hate the Jews more than the Moslems who are solely but surely destroying them. Foolish people!

It's apparent, is it? Just how you worked this one out is beyond me. You really have a nerve calling anyone foolish after that statement.

Why is it, that among the many interesting and informative comments I enjoy reading here, there is guaranteed to be at least one that wraps the needle around the stop on my contemptometer.

I need a fucking holiday...... I really do.

175 MAOZ (Middle-Aged Of Zion)  Sun, Jun 8, 2008 4:59:02am

Apropo of #149, I read once upon a time about the Warren Commission having set a declassification date of 75 years into the future for some of their documentation. Asked why 75 years, the spokesman replied that it's because that's the average human lifespan.

They wanted to make sure that the average Joe Doaks who was alive when JFK was assassinated would never see the stuff.


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Ron Paul knocked some sense into me and now you guys seem really are out there.


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