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VDH Schools Pat 'We Didn't Appease Hitler Enough' Buchanan

Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 5:59:22 pm PDT

Victor Davis Hanson takes Pat Buchanan to school: The Bad War?

NORMANDY, France — Questioning the past is a good thing, but rewriting it contrary to facts is quite another. In the latest round of revisionism about the Second World War, the awful British and naive Americans, not the poor Germans, have ended up as the real culprits.

Take the new book by conservative pundit Patrick Buchanan, “Churchill, Hitler and ‘The Unnecessary War’: How Britain Lost Its Empire and the West Lost the World.” Buchanan argues that, had the imperialist Winston Churchill not pushed poor Hitler into a corner, he would have never invaded Poland in 1939, which triggered an unnecessary Allied response.

Maybe then the subsequent world war, and its 50 million dead, could have been avoided. Taking that faulty argument to its logical end, I suppose today a united West might live in peace with a reformed (and victorious) Nazi Third Reich!

On the left, the novelist Nicholson Baker in a book of nonfiction, “Human Smoke: The Beginnings of World War II, the End of Civilization,” builds the case that the Allied bombing of German cities was tantamount to a war crime.

Apparently there was no need to, in blanket fashion, attack German urban centers and the industry, transportation and communications concentrated inside them. From Baker’s comfortable vantage point, either the war was amoral or unnecessary — or there must have been more humane ways to stop the flow of fuel, crews and equipment for the Waffen SS divisions that invaded Europe and Russia.

In the luxury of some 60 years of postwar peace and affluence — and perhaps in anger over the current Iraq war — Buchanan and Baker and other revisionists engage in a common sort of Western second-guessing. The result is that they always demand liberal democracies be not just better and smarter than their adversaries, but almost superhuman in their perfection.

Buchanan and others, for example, fault the Treaty of Versailles that ended World War I as too harsh on a defeated Germany and thus an understandable pretext for the rise of the Nazis, who played on German anger and fear.

Those accords may have been flawed, but they were far better than what Germany itself had offered France in 1871 after the Franco-Prussian War, or Russia after its collapse in 1917 — or what it had planned for Britain and France had it won the First World War. What ultimately led to World War II was neither Allied meanness to Germany between the two wars nor an unwillingness to understand the Nazis’ pain and anguish.

Read the whole thing.

Buchanan has been all over Fox News lately, and it’s simply nauseating to see it. Don’t they realize what this guy is up to?

Here’s what his magazine put on the cover to attack Rudy Giuliani, in an issue that also featured the ravings of loony left blogger Glenn Greenwald (yet another far-left/far-right crossover):

And here’s Buchanan again, meeting with the leaders of the Belgian fascist party Vlaams Belang in 2007:

Why is Fox promoting this paleo-nutjob? This kind of far-right garbage is one reason why Barack Obama is ascendant, and if the Republican Party is going to embrace creeps like Buchanan again in a misguided quest for conservative purity, get ready for at least 8 years of leftist government.

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1 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  6/05/08 6:01:11 pm
2 buzzsawmonkey  6/05/08 6:01:23 pm reply quote

Buchanan is a Coughlinite. The Catholic Church, since WWII, has striven to overcome its historical antisemitism and expunge its vestiges, but the mindset exemplified by Father Coughlin was alive and active in the Church in Patrick Buchanan's formative years.

Coughlin and his followers had no trouble making common cause with fascists, or with the antisemitic aspects of fascist ideology. It is no surprise that Buchanan looks upon WWII as an unnecessary mistake; no surprise that his Irish heritage prompts him to blame the British for the war's outbreak; no surprise that he looks with disfavor upon Jews.

3 jcm  6/05/08 6:03:34 pm reply quote

Buch⊕n⊕n!

4 blue_like_jazz  6/05/08 6:03:37 pm reply quote

well, at least we're in a place where people aren't accepted on who they say they are... they're examined and vetted, no matter their label.

5 JammieWearingFool  6/05/08 6:04:24 pm reply quote

WTF? Isn't this creep an MSNBC employee?

Goodness knows Fox doesn't need this clown on there.

I flipped it off after I heard O'Reilly mention he was coming on.

6 rsquare  6/05/08 6:05:00 pm reply quote

If I ever leave the Republican party, it will be because of people like Pat.
He's a jackass of the highest order; and he's not even conservative, in my book.

rsquare

7 DesertSage  6/05/08 6:05:05 pm reply quote

I finally found Pat Buchanan's baby picture.

8 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  6/05/08 6:05:22 pm
9 jcm  6/05/08 6:06:51 pm reply quote

re: #7 DesertSage

I finally found Pat Buchanan's baby picture.

SHIT!
Two monitors and a keyboard need a thorough cleaning!
ROFLMAO!

10 LoFlyer  6/05/08 6:07:21 pm reply quote

You go Charles! Pat Buchanan ridiculous statements in the past about "assassinating Victor Hugo" and that "911 was the result of America embracing gays" didn't sit well with anyone except extremists. I have no idea why Fox embraces Buchanan, unless Fox has the goal of making Christians look bad!

11 CIA Reject  6/05/08 6:07:36 pm reply quote

Pat Buchanan is an idiot and I fail to understand why anybody would give him the time of day.

12 buzzsawmonkey  6/05/08 6:07:51 pm reply quote

re: #8 song_and_dance_man

Pat is like B. Hussein whereas in juxtaposition BHO was indoctrinated in Marxism and Black Liberation theology.

It is, in effect, a black-and-white fascist Yin-Yang.

13 BignJames  6/05/08 6:07:57 pm reply quote

An idiot.....with a huge ego.

14 Alibaba  6/05/08 6:08:27 pm reply quote

Yes, why does O'Reilly and Sean Hannity have this guy on? The media fawns over this guy who has neo-Nazi sympathies. Marc Levin, the other day, commented about Pat's "having a dark side" and left it at that. He should have called him what he is: an anti-Semitic fascist who probably would have signed up for Hilter Youth had he lived in Germany pre WWII. We save the world and this is the thanks we get from Pat. BTW: Pat is more of German descent than Irish - keep that in mind. He has also gone out of his way to defend convicted Nazi war criminals.re: #5 JammieWearingFool

WTF? Isn't this creep an MSNBC employee?

Goodness knows Fox doesn't need this clown on there.

I flipped it off after I heard O'Reilly mention he was coming on.

15 Alibaba  6/05/08 6:09:05 pm reply quote

re: #6 rsquare
Pat left the Republican party years ago. He belongs to the Reformist party or whatever they call themselves.

16 CIA Reject  6/05/08 6:09:06 pm reply quote

re: #13 BignJames

An idiot.....with a huge ego.

Arrogance and ignorance is an ugly, and far too common, combination.

17 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  6/05/08 6:09:14 pm
18 lawhawk  6/05/08 6:09:32 pm reply quote

It's a good question why Fox, Hannity and all the rest keep having this guy on their show. He hasn't brought anything new to the ideological or policy discussion in years, and his views are thoroughly out of the mainstream.

Yet, this is who they promote?

Garbage in - garbage out.

19 mikeinmd  6/05/08 6:09:43 pm reply quote

That is an astounding view of Rudy.
Would Buchanan have told the Prince of Piss to STFU and keep his damned money ?
I think not.
SPIT

20 Catttt  6/05/08 6:11:01 pm reply quote

I know Fox News reads this blog. I hope they listen to Charles and axe Mr. Buchanan. I mute him a lot.

And Glenn Greenwald = barf. His writing makes me scream.

21 buzzsawmonkey  6/05/08 6:11:13 pm reply quote

It is indeed ironic that Buchanan, so ideologically and emotionally allied to fascism himself, should have condemned Giuliani by tarring him with fascist imagery.

22 Kosh's Shadow  6/05/08 6:11:51 pm reply quote

Did anyone read the article with Rudy as a sort of Nazi?
Someone I work with had posted to Kos that Rudy and Petraeus were planning WWIII, and I wonder if he got it from there.

23 godfrey  6/05/08 6:11:54 pm reply quote

Maybe Pat's cheap.

24 LoFlyer  6/05/08 6:11:58 pm reply quote

re: #19 mikeinmd

That is an astounding view of Rudy.
Would Buchanan have told the Prince of Piss to STFU and keep his damned money ?
I think not.
SPIT

I miss Rudy, I would feel alot more comortable voting for Rudy, rather than McCain!

/we have to play the cards we are dealt

25 Charles  6/05/08 6:12:01 pm reply quote

re: #21 buzzsawmonkey

It is indeed ironic that Buchanan, so ideologically and emotionally allied to fascism himself, should have condemned Giuliani by tarring him with fascist imagery.

This is a time-honored tactic of antisemites. They use their own hatefulness to smear their enemies.

26 The Other Les  6/05/08 6:12:03 pm reply quote

Groan!

27 bj  6/05/08 6:12:06 pm reply quote

Might be time to send FOX a few emails re buchanan. I can't even stand to see his picture much less hear/read him. Spit! Spit!

28 CIA Reject  6/05/08 6:12:34 pm reply quote

re: #21 buzzsawmonkey

It is indeed ironic that Buchanan, so ideologically and emotionally allied to fascism himself, should have condemned Giuliani by tarring him with fascist imagery.

The shrinks would call that "projection"...

29 Irene NYC  6/05/08 6:13:18 pm reply quote

re: #19 mikeinmd

Yeah, Buchanan really HATES Norman Podhoretz (reference the WWIV armband) and HATES anybody who isn't rabidly isolationist.

30 gruvin  6/05/08 6:13:52 pm reply quote

When you're the left's posterboy, you can get all the media coverage you want.

31 godfrey  6/05/08 6:13:59 pm reply quote

Pat is glib and combative, an old McLaughlin Group guy. Reliable to say something ridiculous. Maven. Maybe appearing for less than his competitors.

32 jaunte  6/05/08 6:14:24 pm reply quote

re: #29 Irene NYC

Buchanan is an idiot if he thinks it's possible to be an isolationist in this century.

33 Kosh's Shadow  6/05/08 6:14:35 pm reply quote

re: #22 Kosh's Shadow

Did anyone read the article with Rudy as a sort of Nazi?
Someone I work with had posted to Kos that Rudy and Petraeus were planning WWIII, and I wonder if he got it from there.

Actually, it was supposed to be Rudy and Podhoretz
Link, for those with hazmat suits.

34 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  6/05/08 6:14:53 pm
35 LoFlyer  6/05/08 6:15:15 pm reply quote

BBL guys, enjoyed the conversation but have a few chores to do, well actually its more than a few chores. See ya on the flip side!

36 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  6/05/08 6:16:16 pm
37 VegasRick  6/05/08 6:16:47 pm reply quote

re: #28 CIA Reject

The shrinks would call that "projection"...

I call it projectile!

38 CIA Reject  6/05/08 6:16:53 pm reply quote

re: #31 godfrey

Pat is glib and combative, an old McLaughlin Group guy. Reliable to say something ridiculous. Maven. Maybe appearing for less than his competitors.

ACK! McLaughlin, there's another brain-dead blowhard asshole that the left just loves to tar honest conservatives with! Somebody bring up Bob Dornan and we'll have the blowhard asshole trifecta!

/Oh, I just did...

39 Kosh's Shadow  6/05/08 6:17:57 pm reply quote

OT - the flying pig landed.
Obama didn't mean Jerusalem should stay united under Israeli rule after all:

a campaign adviser clarified Thursday that Obama believes "Jerusalem is a final status issue, which means it has to be negotiated between the two parties" as part of "an agreement that they both can live with."


He refused, however, to rule out other configurations, such as the city also serving as the capital of a Palestinian state or Palestinian sovereignty over Arab neighborhoods.

Let him eat his waffle, people.
Can I say that B. Hussein has managed to make me EVEN MORE DISGUSTED WITH HIM than I was before?

40 GeeWiz  6/05/08 6:18:40 pm reply quote

re: #11 CIA Reject

Pat Buchanan is an idiot and I fail to understand why anybody would give him the time of day.

Pat B. is not an idiot but an intelligent man with a faulty logic chip which makes him dangerous. An idiot is easy to dismiss not so much a faulty intelligence. Witness his appearances on MSNBC, FNC and a panel member on The McLaughlin Group.

41 offendi  6/05/08 6:18:41 pm reply quote

Buchanan is where he is today in my opinion because he fits the liberal profile of what a " conservative" is, or rather what can be attributed to conservative views and values. Liberals love tarring conservatives with fascist, xenophobic, anti-Semitic reactionary labels or viewpoints and love anyone of a conservative bent that gives off the remotest stench of them. The liberal media loves giving attention to and quoting such "conservatives", so voila, Mr. Buchanan has a career.

What is kind of disgusting to me is that Buchanan seems to forget the history of Irish in America and the discrimination they suffered. Bet he would have been calling for keeping the Irish out if he was around in Boston in the late 1800s early 1900s and not of Irish descent. Someone of the background and his age should take old tough guy Pat out in the back of the bar and administer the lesson he needs.

You know, all this just my opinion.

42 Fasternu426  6/05/08 6:18:55 pm reply quote

Pat who?

43 Nevergiveup  6/05/08 6:19:13 pm reply quote

re: #39 Kosh's Shadow

OT - the flying pig landed.
Obama didn't mean Jerusalem should stay united under Israeli rule after all:


Let him eat his waffle, people.
Can I say that B. Hussein has managed to make me EVEN MORE DISGUSTED WITH HIM than I was before?

Are you saying that you don't appreciate complete ignorance in a Presidential candidate?

44 buzzsawmonkey  6/05/08 6:19:24 pm reply quote

re: #39 Kosh's Shadow

OT - the flying pig landed.
Obama didn't mean Jerusalem should stay united under Israeli rule after all:


Let him eat his waffle, people.
Can I say that B. Hussein has managed to make me EVEN MORE DISGUSTED WITH HIM than I was before?

When Obama's "united Jerusalem" is combined with his call for a contiguous "Palestinian" state, it appears that he is indeed favorable to Jerusalem staying united--under Arab rule.

45 So?  6/05/08 6:20:19 pm reply quote

Sounds like Bizarro world to me.

46 Charles  6/05/08 6:20:24 pm reply quote

re: #40 GeeWiz

Pat B. is not an idiot but an intelligent man with a faulty logic chip which makes him dangerous. An idiot is easy to dismiss not so much a faulty intelligence. Witness his appearances on MSNBC, FNC and a panel member on The McLaughlin Group.

Agreed. He's not an idiot at all. He is, however, a creep.

47 godfrey  6/05/08 6:20:27 pm reply quote

re: #38 CIA Reject

Buchanan in 1990: "Capitol Hill is Israeli occupied territory." On the McLaughlin Group, June 15, 1990. More at the ADL.

48 So?  6/05/08 6:20:59 pm reply quote

re: #42 Fasternu426

Pat who?

Pat who the fuck cares what you think.

49 jaunte  6/05/08 6:21:28 pm reply quote

Ok, an idiot savant, then.

50 Nevergiveup  6/05/08 6:21:57 pm reply quote

re: #44 buzzsawmonkey

When Obama's "united Jerusalem" is combined with his call for a contiguous "Palestinian" state, it appears that he is indeed favorable to Jerusalem staying united--under Arab rule.

I doubt if shown a map of Jerusalem, Obama would be able to point out east from west, much less the important land marks. You know little things like the Old City?

51 buzzsawmonkey  6/05/08 6:22:15 pm reply quote

To amplify #44: "Contiguous" does not mean "connected by a land bridge" or "linked by a highway" or "connected by a tunnel."

"Contiguous" means one single land mass. There are only two ways this can come about: either Gaza is given back to Israel now that the Arabs have returned it to a desert state, and a corresponding chunk of Israel is lopped off and grafted onto the West Bank, or Israel is made non-contiguous to please the Arabs.

52 MandyManners  6/05/08 6:22:39 pm reply quote

Those assholes at American Conservative aren't worthy to lick Rudy's shoes.

Now, I'm gonna' go take a walk before I rip them a new one.

53 GeeWiz  6/05/08 6:22:44 pm reply quote

re: #46 Charles

Agreed!

54 CIA Reject  6/05/08 6:22:57 pm reply quote

re: #49 jaunte

Ok, an idiot savant, then.

Or a savanting idiot maybe?

55 lawhawk  6/05/08 6:22:59 pm reply quote

re: #39 Kosh's Shadow

OT - the flying pig landed.

I smell bacon, that's how swiftly Obama's comments went up in flames.

56 A Kiwi Infidel  6/05/08 6:22:59 pm reply quote

Not fair Charles, stop doing this to me. Its the second time you've given us a tantalizingly close look at two very swiss-looking ski-bunnyish chicks without fulfilling the promise of a chance of a better appraisal. Mind you, they could be lesbian.

57 jcm  6/05/08 6:23:12 pm reply quote

Pat,

Isolationism died once and for all on Oct. 4 1957. Since then time and distance offer no protection. Even if we cower at home, send nothing abroad our enemies will hate us. Until you, the Paulbots, the Obamanics and all the other who believe we are fault understand this; you are the ones who are DANGEROUS! Not those who would extert our influence abroad.

We are not hated for what we do, how we do it, we are not hated for what we produce. We are hated for one, and one thing only. We believe in individual liberty. That idea alone dooms our enemies, individual liberty in the end will be victorious. Our enemies believe they can root that idea out, here where it took root and flourished. They are wrong. But your even more wrong thinking if we don't involve ourselves we will be left alone.

You can sincerely ES and FOAD.

58 Nevergiveup  6/05/08 6:23:32 pm reply quote

re: #51 buzzsawmonkey

To amplify #44: "Contiguous" does not mean "connected by a land bridge" or "linked by a highway" or "connected by a tunnel."

"Contiguous" means one single land mass. There are only two ways this can come about: either Gaza is given back to Israel now that the Arabs have returned it to a desert state, and a corresponding chunk of Israel is lopped off and grafted onto the West Bank, or Israel is made non-contiguous to please the Arabs.

Yeah but in the middle east, words have a way of being redefined all the time.

59 A Kiwi Infidel  6/05/08 6:23:33 pm reply quote

re: #52 MandyManners

Those assholes at American Conservative aren't worthy to lick Rudy's shoes.

Now, I'm gonna' go take a walk before I rip them a new one.


You go, girl!

60 Dr. Shalit  6/05/08 6:24:42 pm reply quote

re: #21 buzzsawmonkey

It is indeed ironic that Buchanan, so ideologically and emotionally allied to fascism himself, should have condemned Giuliani by tarring him with fascist imagery.

"Buzz"

I suspect that the word PROJECTION means something to you.

_S-

61 CIA Reject  6/05/08 6:25:06 pm reply quote

re: #57 jcm

WELL SAID!

62 calcajun  6/05/08 6:25:27 pm reply quote

Ohh. I got a tingle down my leg at that picture of Der Rudy.

Oh Gawd. The idea that brokering a deal with Hitler in September 1939 would have only postponed the inevitable war with Germany and the West. Of course, it might have been fun to see a brokered deal in place before September 17...when the USSR invaded Poland from the east; what would have been the excuse then.

But, the suggestion that Churchill put Hitler in a corner is absurd, especially given that Churchill was not the PM on September 1--he was not even part of the government; he only the Right Honourable Member for Epping at the time.

On another fundamental level, "what if" history is avoided like the plague by serious historians. It's great for cocktail parties and alternate history novels, but it has no place in serious discussions.

Buchanan's game of "what might have been" is little more than mental masturbation; it feels good for only one person and produces no results.

63 mikeinmd  6/05/08 6:25:38 pm reply quote

People on the right hate Israel.
People on the left hate Israel.
Some Israelis hate Israel.
99% of the Arab lands hate Israel.
Europe hates Israel.
Antarctica is undecided.
WTF.

DRINK!

64 Fasternu426  6/05/08 6:26:16 pm reply quote
65 godfrey  6/05/08 6:27:21 pm reply quote

There are more slabs of of Buchanan tripe here.

66 So?  6/05/08 6:27:27 pm reply quote

see what happens when the condom breaks.

67 calcajun  6/05/08 6:27:29 pm reply quote

re: #63 mikeinmd

All that matters is that God likes Israel.

"I'm God, and I approve this country."

68 Carridine  6/05/08 6:28:04 pm reply quote

re: #63 mikeinmd

Baha'is LOVE Israel!

/no, thanks... I don't drink

69 Dr. Shalit  6/05/08 6:28:42 pm reply quote

Charles -

Pat Buchanan ALWAYS sees a FOREST - He refuses, however to look at a TREE! That is and ever shall be HIS PROBLEM!

-S-

70 Nevergiveup  6/05/08 6:29:36 pm reply quote

re: #67 calcajun

All that matters is that God likes Israel.

"I'm God, and I approve this country."

He has a funny way of showing it sometimes don't you think?

71 onslow  6/05/08 6:29:37 pm reply quote

Lay off Pat will you, he hasn't been the same since Franco died.

On an unrelated note, Fatherland , which imagines a Nazi victory in WWII, is a decent alt-history thriller.

72 nyc redneck  6/05/08 6:29:58 pm reply quote

hitler was killing everyone he could who didn't measure up to his insane idea for the perfect aryan race. jews, gypsies, poles, catholics, gays , hungarians, and non-party members who questioned his sanity.
he was eventually going to come for us.
there was no way hitler would have been satisfied w/ ruling only europe . buchanan is truly demented.

73 Oh no...Sand People!  6/05/08 6:30:12 pm reply quote

My belief in a political circle puts the far 'right' and the far left converging at the bottom. Fascists with only a difference in agenda's and who should be killed.

74 Killian Bundy  6/05/08 6:30:37 pm reply quote
get ready for at least 8 years of leftist socialist government.

/let's not mince words

75 Dr. Shalit  6/05/08 6:31:04 pm reply quote

re: #68 Carridine

Carradine -

The Baha'is do NOT have their "Temple" in Eretz Yisroel for NO REASON.

-S-

76 Nevergiveup  6/05/08 6:31:33 pm reply quote

re: #72 nyc redneck

hitler was killing everyone he could who didn't measure up to his insane idea for the perfect aryan race. jews, gypsies, poles, catholics, gays , hungarians, and non-party members who questioned his sanity.
he was eventually going to come for us.
there was no way hitler would have been satisfied w/ ruling only europe . buchanan is truly demented.

There is a non-published set of writings by Hitler that says exactly that.

77 Mich-again  6/05/08 6:31:55 pm reply quote

Buchanan = Paulbot.

78 lawhawk  6/05/08 6:31:58 pm reply quote

Obama's making promises to AIPAC that he should know better than to make - and he's only going to piss off the Palestinians in the process by talking about the indivisible Israeli capital of Jerusalem.

79 Peter Verkooijen  6/05/08 6:32:03 pm reply quote
Why is Fox promoting this paleo-nutjob? This kind of far-right garbage is one reason why Barack Obama is ascendant, and if the Republican Party is going to embrace creeps like Buchanan again in a misguided quest for conservative purity, get ready for at least 8 years of leftist government.

Amen!

Don't ever mistake European neo-nazis for misunderstood conservatives. They have nothing in common with mainstream American conservatism.

I agree with buzzsawmonkey that Buchanan is a Coughlinite, not a mainstream conservative.

BTW, Pat Robertson is a nutcase too.

McCain should concentrate on shaping a future for the Republican party, starting with the VP pick, followed by all future appointments. The Convention should showcase people like Bobby Jindal, Mitt Romney, Sarah Palin, Charlie Crist and of course Rudy Giuliani.

80 So?  6/05/08 6:32:07 pm reply quote

re: #69 Dr. Shalit

Charles -

Pat Buchanan ALWAYS sees a FOREST - He refuses, however to look at a TREE! That is and ever shall be HIS PROBLEM!

-S-

Plus he should lose some weight, that double chin doubles every six months.

81 jaunte  6/05/08 6:33:04 pm reply quote

re: #76 Nevergiveup

Not to mention his well-publicized planning of long-range bombers to reach New York.

82 Killgore Trout  6/05/08 6:33:06 pm reply quote

Charles, you crack me up!

83 Dr. Shalit  6/05/08 6:33:13 pm reply quote

re: #74 Killian Bundy

"K-B"

In my mind, Two Terms of OBAMA, would be Two Terms of FLATULENT GOVERNMENT until proven differently.

-S-

84 rusty_armor  6/05/08 6:33:28 pm reply quote

He must have gotten some wardrobe advice. Hardly recognized him without the cheap gray suit ...

85 calcajun  6/05/08 6:33:30 pm reply quote

re: #70 Nevergiveup

Look at the Old Testament and you can see historical/cyclical patterns in Israel. Basically, the Hebrews get God pissed; He pours a can of divine whup-ass on them for breaking his laws; they repent; He forgives; then the next generation forgets what happened and repeats the cycle.

You could say it continues to this day.

86 Nevergiveup  6/05/08 6:33:32 pm reply quote

re: #78 lawhawk

Obama's making promises to AIPAC that he should know better than to make - and he's only going to piss off the Palestinians in the process by talking about the indivisible Israeli capital of Jerusalem.

Well that's just the point. He DOES NOT KNOW BETTER! He is so inexperienced that most of the people here would be more qualified to be President.

87 FrogMarch  6/05/08 6:34:30 pm reply quote

Shame on Fox news and that self-absorbed Bill OReilly.

Is there anyone more self-absorbed than Bill OReilly? I don't think so. Bernie Goldberg even called him on it right to his face. (genius)

88 Nevergiveup  6/05/08 6:34:42 pm reply quote

re: #85 calcajun

Look at the Old Testament and you can see historical/cyclical patterns in Israel. Basically, the Hebrews get God pissed; He pours a can of divine whup-ass on them for breaking his laws; they repent; He forgives; then the next generation forgets what happened and repeats the cycle.

You could say it continues to this day.

As i said he has a strange way of showing it.

89 Oh no...Sand People!  6/05/08 6:35:14 pm reply quote

re: #86 Nevergiveup

Well that's just the point. He DOES NOT KNOW BETTER! He is so inexperienced that most of the people here would be more qualified to be President.

I am forming a PAC and a presidential exploratory committee to help nominate Charles...whether he wants to run or not.

90 CIA Reject  6/05/08 6:35:54 pm reply quote

re: #80 So?

Plus he should lose some weight, that double chin doubles every six months.

Maybe he considers it an investment.

91 J.S.  6/05/08 6:35:59 pm reply quote

re: #39 Kosh's Shadow

I really don't know if this spinning of Obama's remarks on Jerusalem are at all helpful. Please. Let us just take (and hold) Obama to his word -- and that is One Jerusalem, United, Not divided. And, obviously, under Jewish sovereignty. That is what Obama has said, that is what he meant. CNN's Crowley again today asked Obama if he was going to change his mind on the topic of a United Jerusalem. His answer? "No."

/bear in mind Obama may very well be the next President of the United States

92 Carridine  6/05/08 6:36:06 pm reply quote

re: #75 Dr. Shalit The world center of the Baha'i Faith is in the Holy Land for very good reasons, Dr Shalit...

In chains, and a prisoner of the Caliphate, He was FORCED into imprisonment in Akka, by His relentless and brutal Muslim enemies, who were unwilling to examine the possibility that He was the Mahdi...

And the Jews were once again, chosen by God to be hosts to God Made Manifest.

93 lawhawk  6/05/08 6:36:33 pm reply quote

re: #86 Nevergiveup

No, he knows exactly what he's saying - he's lying to AIPAC to get the votes he needs to become President, and wink wink nod nod to the Palestinians with whom he's been friends with all along, and they'll get what they want in the end, while AIPAC and Israel get thrown under the bus.

94 Opinionated  6/05/08 6:36:50 pm reply quote

re: #39 Kosh's Shadow

OT - the flying pig landed.
Obama didn't mean Jerusalem should stay united under Israeli rule after all:


Let him eat his waffle, people.
Can I say that B. Hussein has managed to make me EVEN MORE DISGUSTED WITH HIM than I was before?

The idiot percentage of AIPAC that are Democracts are still cheering his lies.

95 GeeWiz  6/05/08 6:37:02 pm reply quote

re: #57 jcm

Pat B's underlying theme has always been isolationism. In that lies the fault in his thinking as well as his anti-semetic leanings. His sister, Bay is more grounded in the reality of the world today. The only time I tolerate Pat B. is when he is on The McLaughlin Group and he needles Eleanor Cliff. I wonder why Tony Blankley was replaced by Monica Crowley?

96 offendi  6/05/08 6:37:07 pm reply quote

re: #78 lawhawk

Obama's making promises to AIPAC that he should know better than to make - and he's only going to piss off the Palestinians in the process by talking about the indivisible Israeli capital of Jerusalem.

The Palestinians want it all. They didn't care that Clinton and Barak offered them a state and almost all the desired land at Camp David, or what any US President says. This is a religious war against the infidel that dares to occupy territory in the land of muslims.

97 nyc redneck  6/05/08 6:37:33 pm reply quote

re: #78 lawhawk

Obama's making promises to AIPAC that he should know better than to make - and he's only going to piss off the Palestinians in the process by talking about the indivisible Israeli capital of Jerusalem.

he's a blatant disgusting liar and so far the msm spins all his bs perfectly or ignores it completely.

98 Dar ul Harb  6/05/08 6:37:41 pm reply quote

Charles posts:

[I]f the Republican Party is going to embrace creeps like Buchanan again in a misguided quest for conservative purity, get ready for at least 8 years of leftist government.

Last I checked, Buchanan was no longer a Republican.

99 Nevergiveup  6/05/08 6:37:55 pm reply quote

re: #93 lawhawk

No, he knows exactly what he's saying - he's lying to AIPAC to get the votes he needs to become President, and wink wink nod nod to the Palestinians with whom he's been friends with all along, and they'll get what they want in the end, while AIPAC and Israel get thrown under the bus.

Well whether he is stupid or devious, we gotta stop him. That we can agree on!

100 nyc redneck  6/05/08 6:38:37 pm reply quote

re: #87 FrogMarch

Shame on Fox news and that self-absorbed Bill OReilly.

Is there anyone more self-absorbed than Bill OReilly? I don't think so. Bernie Goldberg even called him on it right to his face. (genius)

i don;t even call him o'reilly, i just call him reilly.

101 EC Marm  6/05/08 6:39:11 pm reply quote

re: #78 lawhawk

Obama's making promises to AIPAC that he should know better than to make - and he's only going to piss off the Palestinians in the process by talking about the indivisible Israeli capital of Jerusalem.


That position is changing by the minute. He was on CNN tonight modifying the position. He looked like he had ants in his pants, his head was tilted to the side, his eyes were closed at points while he talked, and other dead giveaway body language. I can no more believe what he said before AIPAC then...

102 Dr. Shalit  6/05/08 6:39:25 pm reply quote

re: #80 So?

so? -

I have gotten "older," Weightism is NOT something to criticize Pat Buchanan on. I am now 56 - almost 57 years old. 185 at 6 ft. tall doesn't suck. Not as good as 165 at 50 however. My intention is 175 by year end, a happy medium. Pat Buchanan's "problems" are far greater than that.

-S-

103 nihilist  6/05/08 6:40:08 pm reply quote

The Republicans need Pat Buchanan hanging around like I need a carbon tax... like Moqtada doesn't need a dentist....like Obama needs Reverend Wright hanging... like Hillary Clinton doesn't need delegates.

104 really grumpy big dog johnson  6/05/08 6:40:14 pm reply quote

Buckanan's not stupid, but on the entire pantheon of moonbattery from far left, then wrapping immediately to far right, he's pretty much just past the wrap line. His is the insanity of cultural ignorance and blind confidence in the unshakeable foundations of his opinions.

You couldn't change his mind with a lobotomy.

I have big problems with O'Reilly because he claims to be so based on facts, but he has his own inviolables and will not even attempt to vet those he figures are already parked inside his safe line.

O'Reilly's an effective stimulant for the masses, but he has a lot of ideas that are completely off the wall, including thinking that Buchanan is merely on the Republican conservative right.

He is anything but that.

105 Winmag  6/05/08 6:40:52 pm reply quote

Pat puts on a good show. "Oh, look at the Conservative." He has become a cariciture of the lefts idea of a conservative. Besides, he used to work for Nixon. How would you like to have that on your resume? Just go away Pat.

106 Dr. Shalit  6/05/08 6:40:57 pm reply quote

re: #92 Carridine

The world center of the Baha'i Faith is in the Holy Land for very good reasons, Dr Shalit...

In chains, and a prisoner of the Caliphate, He was FORCED into imprisonment in Akka, by His relentless and brutal Muslim enemies, who were unwilling to examine the possibility that He was the Mahdi...

And the Jews were once again, chosen by God to be hosts to God Made Manifest.

Carridine -

And to the DARFUR REFUGEES as well, so it seems.

-S-