“Jerusalem is a final status issue, which means it has to be negotiated between the two parties” as part of “an agreement that they both can live with.”

Riiiigghhtt.

omg

He's a moron, and takes all side of any issue. Just like J Kerry. I wonder if enough people will see it or care.

"Loose lips sink ships"

Waffles, I smell waffles.

"surprise, surprise, surprise!"

//channelling gomer pyle

NOT!

what an assclown.

Jerusalem goes under the bus.

re: #7 Killgore Trout

Jerusalem goes under the bus.

There ain't no bus that big.

Gosh, it's almost as if he says whatever comes to mind the please the audience that happens to be standing right in front of him.

But that couldn't be it... I mean, he's OBAMA, fer chrissake. It must somehow be OUR fault.

“an agreement that they both can live with.”

There is a key word here ...... guess which one?

re: #7 Killgore Trout

That's exactly how I posted it down below: Obama Throws Jerusalem Under the Bus.

... so much for his rabble rousing speech to AIPAC ... on to the next constituency with a tailor made message for them ...

And the people like it so.

It's not a big bus but there's a lot of stuff under it.

re: #11 WriterMom

GMTA!

re: #9 Occasional Reader

Don't go talkin' crazy now, ya hear?

I just thought he got Jerusalem confused with one of the other 57 states.

Just let him eat his effing waffle, will you?

re: #14 Killgore Trout

It's not a big bus but there's a lot of stuff under it.

Lift kit.

re: #14 Killgore Trout

It's not a big bus, but it's got plenty of seating underneath.

it has to be negotiated between the two parties

Pardon my ignorance but, isn't that the way it should be? Why involve a third party? However, that assumes that it is up to negotiation by either side, and from what I've seen, it's not.

He's gonna 'clarify' the Jews right into the Mediterranean sea.

He's most definitely thrown Jerusalem under the bus, and it's getting pretty crowded under there, as AIPAC bought that speech hook, line, and applause.

re: #18 ccrnyc

I just thought he got Jerusalem confused with one of the other 57 states.

58. You forgot Alaska and Hawaii...

I wouldn't categorize this as a flip-flop, rather... it's just a bold-faced pandering lie he told to AIPAC.

But a campaign adviser clarified Thursday that Obama believes “Jerusalem is a final status issue, which means it has to be negotiated between the two parties” as part of “an agreement that they both can live with.”

Is Obama going to consult with George Galloway on this one?

Transmutation. How messianic.

"Obama’s flip-flops are getting closer together"

It's official. Obama's FLOP rate is now faster than NASA's super-computers. His indonesia "public school" teachers always said he was good at math!

Now, frankly... if he had said "to be negotiated" TO BEGIN WITH, it would have been hard to fault him, seeing as Olmerde is talking about it, too.

But the fact that he, what... ad-libbed? just didn't give a shit?... on this incredibly important and sensitive topic, is TRULY frightening.

It will all get straightened out of course when he appoints Pat Buchanan ambassador to Israel, Jimmy Carter the ambassador to the UN, and Jeremiah Wright the Secretary of State.

Change !

re: #28 DesertSage

Is Obama going to consult with George Galloway on this one?

Why? They are already on the same page.

All kidding aside, this is so infuriating to me. Jerusalem is my favorite city. I spent 2 summers there as an exchange student. I know Jerusalem better than most of my Israeli friends. Now when I am in Israel I don't get there as often as I would like. It just pains me to hear an Idiot like Obama even talking about it.

So fast they haven't even yet stopped clapping at AIPAC and while my contemporaneous post insisting he was lying is still fresh.

If he gets elected,

Be afraid Israel,

be very afraid.

Are liberal Jews going to figure out that showing up to meetings with Obama will get them as far as showing up to meetings with Ahmedinnerjacket?

re: #23 MandyManners

The official US position is that the status of Jerusalem is to be decided between the parties.

Israel has provided far more access to the religious sites than the Arabs ever did and respects the holy sites far more than the Jordanians had done, but Israel restricts Jews from going to the Temple Mount, despite this being the holiest spot on the planet for Jews.

Jerusalem is not the city he once knew.

Too bad "back-peddling" isn't an Olympic event, because Barrack could win gold.

"I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means, at all costs and in any and every way, get their votes."--Book of Obama

re: #25 lawhawk

Don't you think AIPAC has heard enough pandering BS to know what's up?
Only the most idiotarian ReformJew® will give this any weight.

He's talking about the New Jerusalem, He's gonna change it to have Streets of Gold (He is the Messiah ya know).

Yes, it is incredible who much they loved him at AIPAC.

They wanted to believe him.

Were such suckers for anyone who shows us a little kindness and respect.

Remember, they are not flip flops. They are change you can believe in.

Biggest Flip-Flop still to come. Obama will be white by November.

Obama really is an idiot. Makes it up on the fly. Confident he can get away with it. Keep it up, Obama. Keep it up.

re: #42 Alouette

"I can fool all the people, all the time." --Book of Obama

Exactly how big is that damned bus anyway? IF its' that bug it must be a huge diesel guzzler.

Anyone who by "undivided" can mean "undivided by barbed wire" is a master of perfidy.
And anyone who claims he doesn't rule out the idea of a single city being the capital of two states of which one wants to annihilate the other is a raving moron. That someone even can conceive of such an idea is more than mind-boggling.

The awful thing is, my entire congregation of leftist Jews won't care. Not that this will be reported in the US media.
And to crown all of this, it was not even O. himself who thought of this way out, but an adviser. The more I think, the more I am sure he is plain stupid and arrogant, to say nothing of being a racist and an antisemitic liar.

Relax....it's enTrailways.

Let me put it this way: Obama does not serve anything good.

re: #43 Gang of One

He's got a D after his name. Often, that's more than sufficient to get their vote, despite the fact that Democrats will more frequently throw Israel to the wolves.

You know, Obama may be throwing Israel under the bus...

....but he does it so eloquently a tingle runs up Chris Matthews leg.

re: #37 kingronjo

If he gets elected,

Be afraid Israel,

be very afraid.

I can't wait to see him do the "fist - bump" with nasralla.

re: #50 saberry0530

Bug=big
PIMF

Unfortunately John McCain believes the Palestinians want peace too.

re: #43 Gang of One

Oh, and the UN wants to revoke observer status for the Reform Jews for daring to utter the Hamas Charter and its repeated calls for jihad and destruction of Israel.

re: #45 Maine's Michael

Yes, it is incredible who much they loved him at AIPAC.

They wanted to believe him.

Were such suckers for anyone who shows us a little kindness and respect.

Defining pro Israel down.

For many, anyone who doesn't want to join Ahmadinejad in launching nukes at Israel is considered pro Israel.

Hey, at least he's got white teeth, right?

Can't I just finish my Al-Aqsa?

re: #58 offendi

Unfortunately John McCain believes the Palestinians want peace too.

Maybe, but I bet he could find Israel on map.

And "Flip-Flopping" as well; Barry could win gold in that event too were it part of Olympic competition.

How long before Obama contradicts himself in the same speech?

I figure he'll certainly do so in any real debate with McCain.

All I can say is Obama makes me want to take action - and give McCain another campaign contribution. Or maybe the RNC this time.

Bill Parcells advice to his `star' players: "Don't eat the cheese".

re: #5 markx

Waffles, I smell waffles.

Craptacular waffles.

He threw it under Bus 19.

The question is not whether Jerusalem will remain the undivided capital of Israel, the question is whether there will be any Jews left to live there. Obama seems to be a past master at telling folks what he thinks they want to hear. . . . . . . . I wonder what he promised the "palestinians" he has supported so long. You know, the ones who have been running the call bank for him from Gaza for every primary.

re: #58 offendi

Unfortunately John McCain believes the Palestinians want peace too.

I trust McCain a lot more then I would ever trust Obama when it comes to Israel.

re: #66 buzzsawmonkey

There are only two ways that a "Palestinian" state West of the Jordan--the second "Palestinian" state--can be made "contiguous": by giving Gaza to the Israelis now that the "Palestinians" have returned it to a desert state, and carving a corresponding piece out of Israel that is contiguous with the West Bank; or by making Israel uncontiguous.

The only piece that comes to mind to be carved in exchange for Gaza is Golan.

re: #63 Nevergiveup

Maybe, but I bet he could find Israel on map.

I think so.

"I am saddened. This isn't the Israel I knew."

/

re: #45 Maine's Michael

Yes, it is incredible who much they loved him at AIPAC.

They wanted to believe him.

Were such suckers for anyone who shows us a little kindness and respect.

No American Jews that I have spoken with are voting for Obama this year. They are all democrats who would have voted for Hillary. A hold-the-nose and vote for McCain thing, like many non-Jewish republicans.

"I was for Jerusalem, before I was half against it."

I'm not surprised. When has his lordship ever had a parallel position with us. OK, he wants the Clintons gone. Other than that.

Obama caves under Palestinian pressure

Facing criticism from Palestinians, Sen. Barack Obama acknowledged today that the status of Jerusalem will need to be negotiated in future peace talks, amending a statement earlier in the week that Jerusalem "must remain undivided."

re: #70 laZardo

He threw it under Bus 19.

Bus 19 go to Hebrew U ?

re: #70 laZardo

I think I have seen that bus before.

Get the man some syrup for his waffles!

My apologies, Charles. Perhaps I have crossed a line with previous comments. My Zen did not kick in. Obama, and nay, most if not all of the Democratics are following this Pied Piper. Please accept my apologies for my apoplexy.

The solution is simply.
It's the execution that's difficult

OBAMA UNDER THE BUS IN NOV!

Holy crap. When I saw this, I thought "Charles has it wrong." (Silly me, I know.)

Because the first time I saw the story it was linked from Drudge to Breitbart, which completely whitewashed BO's stand on Jerusalem.. No mention of ANY kind of sovereignity other than Israel's.

So not only is it BO's dissembling as usual, it's an obvious case of the MSM covering up said dissembling. Good God. No one is ever going to know the truth about BO.

We're freakin' doomed.

The real travesty here is the surprising number of otherwise intelligent Americans who actually believe that obama is an inspiration.

They can't see the waffles for the trees.

re: #58 offendi

Unfortunately John McCain believes the Palestinians want peace too.

Maybe.
OTOH, John McCain has the advantage of knowing that evil really exists. He has seen it up close and personal.

For someone who has said we shouldn't be able to eat all we want, Obama sure has a mouth full of meal.

CHANGE FLIP you can BELIEVE FLOP in.

Obama bumper car sticker.

I knew that that promise would not have a long lifetime. I realized that as president, he would disavow it. But I didn't think that its lifetime would be only 1 day. Only 1 day!

Obama the promise-maker goes around making all sorts of promises to every group that he meets with, without any regard to whether those promises will be kept. The safest thing is not to believe any promise that he makes.

His words have no connection to truth and no connection to reality.

That's why he has been able to so easily present himself as a messiah. The troubling thing for me is not that there are such hucksters around, but that there are a good number of people who actually believe his fabrications. There are, among the Obamamaniacs, the young, who are gullible and who are prone to wishful thinking, and who are prone to taking reckless gambles in supporting a huckster and con artist. But there are lots of adults who are not so young who also fall for his line of baloney. How people can be so gullible is remarkable. P. T. Barnum understood this, and said that there is a sucker born every minute.

re: #72 DesertSage

I trust McCain a lot more then I would ever trust Obama when it comes to Israel.

Until he falls under the State Department's spell like W. Rice was one of our worst Secretary of States, sorry to say.

Lakers +5
Halftime

He must have found out that Israel is full of those pesky Jews. /

Not surprised. But even less surprised that many in the "leadership" of the Jewish community, the Tikkun Olam (Heal the world) crowd, keep bankrolling Barry Hussein- no questions asked.

Even if he hadn't "clarified" on this, GWB promised to move our Embassy to Jerusalem and never did and never will. And in my opinion, GWB is not a bad person at all. Our own State Dept doesn't recognize Jerusalem Israel as a place of birth. And it is headed by the woman whom many Conservatives claim they would vote in for President. What I mean is, everyone knows what you have to tell the Jews to get elected, so they say it, and then do exactly the opposite. And just what is anyone going to do about it? About this whole big game of pretending as if the Arabs want anything even an iota less than the total destruction of Israel. The entire world is playing it.

Does AIPAC have a mailing list? Someone could email them the news.

re: #91 DesertSage

Lakers +5
Halftime

Fear and loathing in Boston. Awfully quiet there.

Heh.

re: #90 offendi

Until he falls under the State Department's spell like W. Rice was one of our worst Secretary of States, sorry to say.

You've got to be kidding. Has the name Madeline Albright slipped your mind?

According to FOX, BHO and Hillary are in a secret meeting/tryst (Eww) right now. She's making her play for the VP spot. He needs to show some muscle (another Eww) and tell her what her help is really worth.

Ah, the fun never ends.

Official Obama Campaign Buss

The re-making of the statement is being done by an "advisor" to the campaign -- not by Obama. Tonight during a CNN interview between Obama and Candy Crowley, she asked Obama about the issue of Jerusalem, and Obama reaffirmed his stance of One, Undivided Jerusalem under Jewish sovereignty.

Don't you now wish Clinton had won? Even if you don't like her, you have to admit that her strong, unwavering support of Israel and anti-idiotarian foreign policy is worlds better than what the Obamessiah is offering. I am seriously afraid that Obama may win against McCain, whereas, if McCain lost to Clinton, it wouldn't raise the same fears in me.

How does everyone here feel the election will turn out? Are you afraid that Obama may win like I am? Or are you confident that, eventually, people will see him for what he really is and he has little chance?

re: #90 offendi

Until he falls under the State Department's spell like W. Rice was one of our worst Secretary of States, sorry to say.

Well, Rice isn't as bad as Madeleine Not-so-bright. How soon we forget.

But a campaign adviser clarified Thursday that Obama believes “Jerusalem is a final status issue, which means it has to be negotiated between the two parties” as part of “an agreement that they both can live with.”

Yeah, just elect The Wizard of Uhhhs. We'll work out the details later.

I hope the mesmerized Jewish population out there is paying attention.

Obama is your enemy.

re: #97 DesertSage

You've got to be kidding. Has the name Madeline Albright slipped your mind?

He didn't say Condi was THE worst - only one of them. You can't dispute that.

re: #89 EE

He is an attractive yong man with an excllent speaking voice and good speach making skills.

He is charismatic.

Jim Jones had people drinking cyanide laced kool-aid, and he had less charisma than Obama.

It is pure personality cult.

And Bush's royal fuck ups have torpedoed the republican party.

It's a perfect storm.

Will America come to its senses for November?

re: #98 calcajun

According to FOX, BHO and Hillary are in a secret meeting/tryst (Eww) right now. She's making her play for the VP spot. He needs to show some muscle (another Eww) and tell her what her help is really worth.

Ah, the fun never ends.

There's no way he's gonna offer her and Bill VP.

re: #5 markx

Waffles, I smell waffles.

Those waffles stink.

re: #90 offendi

Until he falls under the State Department's spell like W. Rice was one of our worst Secretary of States, sorry to say.

I don't see McCain taking any advice from State. None. He is trained to command and has no reservation with using that authority, unlike a certain CIC we know. McCain may well be just what it takes to clean that infestation out.

1. Over-eager willingness to please whomever he's with.
2. His easy, glib lies - even stuff that can't possibly be true.
3. His lack of discernment with regard to the company he keeps.

I wonder if much of this stems from the lack of a father figure in his life?

Oh, yeah, and 'why can't I just finish my Jerusalem waffle in peace?'

re: #97 DesertSage

You've got to be kidding. Has the name Madeline Albright slipped your mind?

She too is on the list.

re: #37 kingronjo

If he gets elected,

Be afraid Israel,

be very afraid.

If he gets elected
Be afraid Everbody
Be very Afraid

I lost my passport in Asdod once and I had to get a new one while i was in Israel. I went to the Consulate in Jerusalem. So for a few years my passport was stamped "Issued in East Jerusalem". I got stopped at security all the time.

re: #78 freedomplow

Obama caves under Palestinian pressure

Facing criticism from Palestinians, Sen. Barack Obama acknowledged today that the status of Jerusalem will need to be negotiated in future peace talks, amending a statement earlier in the week that Jerusalem "must remain undivided."

Whoa! The WaPo actually said he "back-tracked."
....flying pig warning.....

BTW, here is what Obama said about the elusive Whitey video:

We have seen this before. There is dirt and lies that are circulated in emails and they pump them out long enough until finally you, a mainstream reporter, asks me about it,” Obama said to the McClatchy reporter during a press conference aboard his campaign plane. “That gives legs to the story. If somebody has evidence that myself or Michelle or anybody has said something inappropriate, let them do it.”

Asked whether he knew it not to be true, Obama said he had answered the question.

Hmm...let them do it?

re: #104 galloping granny

He didn't say Condi was THE worst - only one of them. You can't dispute that.

I don't even think she was one of the worst. Remember, the second intifada happened on Albright's watch.

re: #106 Lively

I never said he would. Her thighness is probably demanding it, or she's going to torpedo him in the general election.

re: #97 DesertSage

You've got to be kidding. Has the name Madeline Albright slipped your mind?

St. Condi of the Amalekites is far, far worse - at least as far as managing the Mid East and Russia are concerned. As regards Europe and North Korea, its a tie, I would say.

re: #80 lawhawk

Yep. That one.

I just posted this at Jihad Watch:

The following is a fanciful summary of everything Barak Obama has said during his campaign:
"What is most important to me, to this country, to the world is Change. I promise to say whatever is necessary at whatever moment to affect whatever Change in necessary to get me elected so that I can Change that promise.

re: #39 lawhawk

The official US position is that the status of Jerusalem is to be decided between the parties.

Israel has provided far more access to the religious sites than the Arabs ever did and respects the holy sites far more than the Jordanians had done, but Israel restricts Jews from going to the Temple Mount, despite this being the holiest spot on the planet for Jews.

Aren't Muslims also busy eradicating archeological evidence of Judaism from the grounds?

re: #101 No Dhummi

Don't you now wish Clinton had won? Even if you don't like her, you have to admit that her strong, unwavering support of Israel and anti-idiotarian foreign policy is worlds better than what the Obamessiah is offering. I am seriously afraid that Obama may win against McCain, whereas, if McCain lost to Clinton, it wouldn't raise the same fears in me.

How does everyone here feel the election will turn out? Are you afraid that Obama may win like I am? Or are you confident that, eventually, people will see him for what he really is and he has little chance?

I was hoping till the last moment that Israelis were smart enough not to vote for Olmert.

If Israelis who have life and death always at risk could be so dumb, I'm very afraid for us.

McCain has to make a real positive splash with a VP pick.

re: #120 USBeast

I just posted this at Jihad Watch:

The following is a fanciful summary of everything Barak Obama has said during his campaign:
"What is most important to me, to this country, to the world is Change. I promise to say whatever is necessary at whatever moment to affect whatever Change in necessary to get me elected so that I can Change that promise.

And HOPE no one notices.

Obama will bring peace to the Middle East in his first term. His roadmap doesn't include the state of Israel.

/duh, see how easy it is?

re: #121 MandyManners

Aren't Muslims also busy eradicating archeological evidence of Judaism from the grounds?

Yes

re: #123 Racer X

And HOPE no one notices.

I noticed.

This is absurd.

re: #116 DesertSage

I don't even think she was one of the worst. Remember, the second intifada happened on Albright's watch.

Oh I do. I would be hard put to define the absolute worst I've seen in my lifetime, but Condi Rice definitely makes the list.

Re Whitey: here's the link:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0608/Obama_ denies_a_rumor_and_questions_the_question.html#com ments

Em...WTF are you talking about?

"Two principles should apply to any outcome," which the adviser gave as: "Jerusalem remains Israel's capital and it's not going to be divided by barbed wire and checkpoints as it was in 1948-1967."

So, no he didn't "throw Jerusalem under the bus".

Look, I really like you guys here. Very refreshing to see people on the intarwebs who pro-Israel. Unfortunately, it's very clear that none of you have been to the region and have no idea what the facts on the ground are.

I normally just come here to read, but this is over the top.

The FACTS on the ground are this: No US President has the power to dictate to Israel what to do with our capital. It's our city, end of discussion.

Obama is simply acknowledging a fact. It's ours, we fought for it, we died (and continue to die) for it. We will under no circumstances return to anything looking like the 1967 situation. IF, at some point in the future, the Arabs decide that they are capable of behaving like civilized human beings and want to be our neighbors THEN we'll talk MAYBE about the Arab neighborhoods east of Jerusalem (which are not really a part of the city, and that is a fact).

Until then, they can f off. It's that simple.

I urge all of you to actually visit the places you want to sound like experts on. I have family and friends living in Israel, have spend time there on multiple trips, and will be moving there (G-d willing) in a few months.

Take a trip there yourself, meet the people, go places that are off the beaten path (you can actually get great deals on practically anything in the Armenian and Arab markets in the Old City, make sure you understand the concept of bargaining however).

But don't spout off random B.S. like this...it seriously hurts the credibility of the site.

I saw through this freak in a matter of days. WTF is WRONG with people? How can they believe any f*cking thing he says? How the hell did people get to be so damn f*cking stupid? Not so long ago this idiot could not have gotten elected dogcatcher.

I wonder if tonight is video night at Hillary's pad? What tape could she be showing to Barry...? Hmmm...

re: #118 Maine's Michael

St. Condi of the Amalekites is far, far worse - at least as far as managing the Mid East and Russia are concerned. As regards Europe and North Korea, its a tie, I would say.

Whatever. I'm not jumping on the hate Rice bandwagon.
Call me an asshole or something, I don't care.

re: #100 J.S.

A liar and a pussy coward!

re: #131 song_and_dance_man

"I HOPE to CHANGE my mind often"

Brilliant. That's what he means by change. It's so obvious now.

Stop the Temple Mount Destruction:
[Link: www.wnd.com...]

re: #134 DesertSage

Whatever. I'm not jumping on the hate Rice bandwagon.
Call me an asshole or something, I don't care.

Whaaa?

re: #101 No Dhummi

If Obama wins, it'll be because my generation/demographic (18-25ish) will decide to turn out in record numbers to give him the boost. You can't debunk Obama in most of their minds.

/I'm 20, btw...

I'm a bit slow, tonight. What is a 'final status issue'?

re: #102 MarkX

Halfbright didn't equate the Palestinian murderers with the Civil Rights struggles of the 60's. After Rice demanded Israel remove roadblocks on the West Bank I believe one Israeli man was killed by terrorists. Rice, a Russian expert, didn't exactly do much in reigning in Putin and advancing democracy in Russia, either. Russia, during her tenure has become very dangerous indeed.

Nice lady who should just play her piano and become NFL Commissioner. I trust her judgment more on handling the Patriot's Spygate than I do international affairs.

re: #125 Nevergiveup

Yes

Isn't there an international body that regulates the treatment of such sites?

re: #115 cajunbelle

That is a comment he made recently?

re: #134 DesertSage

It may be a bandwagon now, but when I got on, it was a skateboard, and I was the only one on it.

re: #143 MandyManners

Isn't there an international body that regulates the treatment of such sites?

Wait a minute. Isn't there a world heritage body? I'm thinking of UNESCO.

Simma down, now

Obama: 'Settle down' on VP choice

"We just completed this arduous process," Obama said. "It's only been two days, and I think it's not just in my interest and Sen. Clinton's interest, but in the Democratic Party's interest and the country's interest to make sure I make this decision well."

Wow, a VP pick is more important to BHO than Jerusalem to this muckin' faroon.
SPIT

re: #109 buzzsawmonkey

Not so; Jerusalem and its environs, undivided, could be cut out of Israel in this scenario. It and the land around it jut into the West Bank. It would be perfectly consistent with the sort of doubletalk we are hearing.

Never happen, you say? Don't be silly. The current Israeli government has no problem uprooting Jews from their homes, as the evacuation of Gaza showed. There will be all sorts of "international" guarantees, just like there were in 1948--and just as worthless.

The Golan, which is not contiguous with the West Bank, will of course be given to Syria, along with bushels of money. And Israel will get some pretty paper promises.

Scary. I am saving this post.

re: #138 Maine's Michael

Whaaa?

?
What?

re: #146 MandyManners

Wait a minute. Isn't there a world heritage body? I'm thinking of UNESCO.

Well, that explains the situation there, then.

Gotta run to college, will be back for the open thread. Cheers.

re: #95 FightingBack

Does AIPAC have a mailing list? Someone could email them the news.

I tried to send an email to them earlier and it was returned as an unknown address....Good Luck.

Is there a comprehensive list of Obama BS?

re: #140 laZardo

If Obama wins, it'll be because my generation/demographic (18-25ish) will decide to turn out in record numbers to give him the boost. You can't debunk Obama in most of their minds.

/I'm 20, btw...

Perhaps that is because so much of your generation really have little in the way of functioning minds -

re: #140 laZardo

If Obama wins, it'll be because my generation/demographic (18-25ish) will decide to turn out in record numbers to give him the boost. You can't debunk Obama in most of their minds.

/I'm 20, btw...

I've seen this election after election. Y'all don't show up to vote. There are better things to do. Been there, done that.

re: #130 Extra Z's

Unfortunately, it's very clear that none of you have been to the region and have no idea what the facts on the ground are.

Whoa, Nelly. Where'd you get that notion?

re: #108 The Shadow Do

I disagree. It would take Hercules to clean out State of its careerist bureaucracy that is firmly entrenched. It's the water.

They finally issued a statement on the Zimbabwe situation - where US diplomats were detained, threatened with physical harm, vehicle tires slashed, etc., and State is actually downplaying what happened. Yes, McCormack says that it was an outrageous and unacceptable situation, but he's downplaying what happened.

Our diplomats and personnel were detained at gunpoint, and we're going to do .... what?

re: #143 MandyManners

Isn't there an international body that regulates the treatment of such sites?

Israel should but they often drop the ball because of political reasons, Arabs going crazy, and outside pressure.
[Link: www.wnd.com...]

re: #141 Cognito

I'm a bit slow, tonight. What is a 'final status issue'?

Israel's existence.

re: #153 savage_nation

Warren Christopher was a real piece of work too

There ya go, and he was very unpleasant on the eyes too. At least Condi is nice looking.

re: #144 formercorpsman

Yep. And he was rather pissy!
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0608/Obama_ denies_a_rumor_and_questions_the_question.html#com ments

With Obama, surrender is the only option.

We know who wears the pants in his family...

Well, look at the bright side, with President Obama we won't have to worry anymore about Al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, Pakistan, Syria, etc.

/because we'll be their new allies

re: #135 WriterMom

A liar and a pussy coward!

Pussy ain't no coward. Pussy be strong and brave.

re: #156 The Shadow Do

I've seen this election after election. Y'all don't show up to vote. There are better things to do. Been there, done that.

I voted at 18. For Ronald Reagan's second term.

It was the proudest moment of my life. God, it was so great to be an American during the Reagan years.

re: #130 Extra Z's

What's your problem? The issue is whether the President or Presidential candidate is commited to Israeli sovereignty in Jerusalem-as opposed to putting cut-throat pressure on Israel to concede Jerusalem.

PS-Many of us have lived in Israel, and have friends there and family, so be a little more respectful before you spout off.

re: #150 DesertSage

No one called you an asshole.

This is all simply opinion. You're entitle to your opinion about Rice, misguided and delusional as it may be.

;)

re: #141 Cognito

I'm a bit slow, tonight. What is a 'final status issue'?

Google it.

re: #141 Cognito

I'm a bit slow, tonight.

Hey Cog, whats new?

re: #149 buzzsawmonkey

You have great, and I believe unwarranted, confidence in your Prime Minister.

A gamillion up-ding thingies!

re: #141 Cognito

I'm a bit slow, tonight. What is a 'final status issue'?

Are you serious? It is all the really tricky issues. like:
1) Jerusalem
2) Refugees---Right of Return

re: #170 Maine's Michael

I have an opinion about her too.

re: #140 laZardo

If Obama wins, it'll be because my generation/demographic (18-25ish) will decide to turn out in record numbers to give him the boost. You can't debunk Obama in most of their minds.

/I'm 20, btw...

They were supposed to vote Kerry in the last time too. Dems scared them all with the idea the draft would be re-instituted and they would all be shipped to Iraq. They still didn't come out. Obambi has to really worry about the evangelicals who came out in droves for Bush. Don't think they take kindly to Obama's idea of what is a 20 year church and Pastor.

re: #151 laZardo

Well, that explains the situation there, then.

Gotta run to college, will be back for the open thread. Cheers.

Study hard! Make us proud of you!

re: #146 MandyManners

Wait a minute. Isn't there a world heritage body? I'm thinking of UNESCO.

Yes, I think they have condemned Israel for making repairs to the ramp adjoining the Western Wall when it collapsed several years ago.

On election day, Carl Rove has planned free keggers at every major college in America, to coincide with the one day sex fairs sponsored by the Young Republicans as an apology for existing.

"Everyone should be able to get on the Jeruselam bus. But most importantly Israeli's need to be secure. At the same time they should allow Palestinian martyrdom seekers on the bus because theres hope... and change they can believe in."

.... and when it goes boom ....

"I'm saddened and dismayed. That's not the same 'freedom fighter' I knew." -- b. Hussein o.

Go Lakers!

re: #161 DesertSage

There ya go, and he was very unpleasant on the eyes too. At least Condi is nice looking.

Ya think?

re: #159 Nevergiveup

Israel should but they often drop the ball because of political reasons, Arabs going crazy, and outside pressure.
[Link: www.wnd.com...]

If we let them erase the past, what about the future?

Where the hell is the real life Indiana Jones?!

re: #106 Lively

HHS for Hills, an ambassadorship for Bill (maybe UN, that'll keep him closer to home).

For all my jumping up and down, I also still like Condi.

Obama talks a good centrist game but he is a radical lefty through and through. He writes wistfully of long thoughtful dinners with Rashid Khiladi and he tells us Jerusalem will be undivided and then its subject to negotiation.

Politicians say lots of things on the election trail; no one faux pas should be held against them- to see who they really are look at the most consistent pattern to see who they are:

When you want to meet Ahmadinejad "unconditionally," you are no friend of Israel.

When one of your closest advisors is David Bonior, you are no friend of Israel.

When you tell Palestinian groups that you have to mollify your language until you get elected, you are no friend of Israel.

When almost every one of your foreign policy "heavyweights" have proven track records of anti-Israel positions, you are no friend of Israel.

When George Galloway is praying for your Presidency, you are no friend of Israel.

When you refer to the things Israel does just to survive as an "open sore," you are no friend of Israel.

When Gaza based Palestinian political activists select you as the one and only candidate to support in the primaries, you are no friend of Israel.

When Israel's greatest detractor in America, Jimmy Carter, chooses you from the field over the most influential female political force this nation has ever seen, you are no friend of Israel.

When does Obama ever issue soundbites favorable to the Jewish State? When he is giving a nice scripted speech. Speeches are planned, they are contrived and they usually serve a purpose. By contrast, who you choose as your advisers and what you say off the cuff are the clearest window into your soul. The former are those you surround yourself and feel comfortable with their thinking and the later are your first instinct.

It is in this light that I find Obama to be absolutely frightening. After all the speeches are done, the new President sits in the White House and decide the fate of the world. Around you are your advisers and your inner compass. Obama's compass bounces the Jews from Jerusalem and reaches out to genocidal dictators over a tried and true democratic friend.

OT

e-mail from Mr. Dean:

Dear (name),

I wanted to drop you a quick note about a major policy change here at the Democratic Party.

As we move toward the general election, the Democratic Party has to be the Party of ordinary Americans, not Washington lobbyists and special interests. So, as of this morning, if you're a federal lobbyist, or if you control political action committee donations, we won't be accepting your contribution.

This is an unprecedented move for a political party to make -- one that has sent shockwaves through Washington and has turned the debate on clean campaigns upside down. We've unilaterally agreed to shut lobbyists out of the process, and are we're relying on people just like you.

Just imagine what hundreds of thousands of Americans donating $20, $30, or $50 at a time can accomplish together. Imagine the signal that it sends to anyone who looks at John McCain's political machine and the special interest money it needs to fuel every move it makes.

We have a chance to change the way business is done in this country, and we're taking the lead. Will you join us and make a contribution right now to help us elect Barack Obama?

[Link: www.democrats.org...]

I've written before about guys like Charlie Black and Rick Davis, lobbyists who are at the highest levels of McCain's campaign. But they're just the start -- John McCain and the RNC suck up lobbyist money millions of dollars at a time.

In May, McCain had his best fundraising month of the campaign, and it was directly because he refuses to shut special interests out.

But we did, and we need your help. This is an example of the kind of White House Barack Obama would run. Make a contribution to help elect him:

[Link: www.democrats.org...]

I'll be in touch later about our plans for the general election, but I wanted to let you know about our policy change right away.

Thanks,

Howard Dean

re: #130 Extra Z's

Em...WTF are you talking about?

So, no he didn't "throw Jerusalem under the bus".

Look, I really like you guys here. Very refreshing to see people on the intarwebs who pro-Israel. Unfortunately, it's very clear that none of you have been to the region and have no idea what the facts on the ground are.

I normally just come here to read, but this is over the top.

The FACTS on the ground are this: No US President has the power to dictate to Israel what to do with our capital. It's our city, end of discussion.

Obama is simply acknowledging a fact. It's ours, we fought for it, we died (and continue to die) for it. We will under no circumstances return to anything looking like the 1967 situation. IF, at some point in the future, the Arabs decide that they are capable of behaving like civilized human beings and want to be our neighbors THEN we'll talk MAYBE about the Arab neighborhoods east of Jerusalem (which are not really a part of the city, and that is a fact).

Until then, they can f off. It's that simple.

I urge all of you to actually visit the places you want to sound like experts on. I have family and friends living in Israel, have spend time there on multiple trips, and will be moving there (G-d willing) in a few months.

Take a trip there yourself, meet the people, go places that are off the beaten path (you can actually get great deals on practically anything in the Armenian and Arab markets in the Old City, make sure you understand the concept of bargaining however).

But don't spout off random B.S. like this...it seriously hurts the credibility of the site.

Thank you for your insight. A lot of us here regard the issue of Jerusalem in simplistic terms; i.e. "It's Jerusalem. It belongs to the Jews. End of message." If only it was that simple.

My suggestion is that Jerusalem should be declared a "World City" and that the United Nations should be headquartered there.

This is an ideal solution because everyone will be equally unhappy with it.

re: #153 savage_nation

Warren Christopher was a real piece of work too

Reminds me of 'The Count' on sesame street....or a big rat.

re: #180 pat

On election day, Carl Rove has planned free keggers at every major college in America, to coincide with the one day sex fairs sponsored by the Young Republicans as an apology for existing.

Did anybody other than me notice CBS' new "show" trailer . . . . . . for Swingcity - about, yes that's right - swingers! Real family entertainment that is!

re: #94 TIgger

Just so you know ....

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

More BS from BO. Barry O just isn't presidential material.

re: #162 cajunbelle

He never denied this.

He is trying to run the gauntlet.

He better be careful for what he wishes for.

re: #169 WriterMom

You know, I think further clarification is necessary on this issue -- the Jerusalem Post article is using an un-named "source" -- some "advisor" and then, the Washington Post article is using as its source that CNN interview with Obama -- well, I listened to the CNN interview excerpts and Candy Crowley was asked -- did Obama change his views about Jerusalem. Crowley said, "No." then they played the clip of the Crowley interview -- the only ones who'd "spin" it so as to say -- "Obama's supporting the Arabs!" are Arabs...as in HAMAS, etc. OR, biased, Pro-terrorist media (WAPO, etc.)

re: #189 USBeast

Thank you for your insight. A lot of us here regard the issue of Jerusalem in simplistic terms; i.e. "It's Jerusalem. It belongs to the Jews. End of message." If only it was that simple.

My suggestion is that Jerusalem should be declared a "World City" and that the United Nations should be headquartered there.

This is an ideal solution because everyone will be equally unhappy with it.

Don't take this the wrong way--But--NO FUCKIN WAY!

re: #191 galloping granny

Actually i don't watch tv, but that is interesting indeed. will google

re: #153 savage_nation

Warren Christopher was a real piece of work too

As far as Middle east politics, what about Philip Habib? Or Cyrus Vance? That idiot resigned over Eagle Claw.

re: #158 lawhawk

I disagree. It would take Hercules to clean out State of its careerist bureaucracy that is firmly entrenched. It's the water.

They finally issued a statement on the Zimbabwe situation - where US diplomats were detained, threatened with physical harm, vehicle tires slashed, etc., and State is actually downplaying what happened. Yes, McCormack says that it was an outrageous and unacceptable situation, but he's downplaying what happened.

Our diplomats and personnel were detained at gunpoint, and we're going to do .... what?

I once accepted a job to take a position in a scenario where things were pretty fouled up. I didn't have any detail or background into the specific situation but just prior to being introduced to my new staff I was asked who I was going to fire. That was excellent, though back handed, advice. I selected my target that very day and sent the individual packing. Message sent. Things began to shape up and fast.

re: #198 pat

I mean i don't watch broadcast tv

re: #195 J.S.

You may be right...let's wait and see what his official statement is..this story is just getting legs this evening....in a few hours-they will have to officially clarify/confirm/deny. In the meantime, this is FUN!

re: #179 Alouette

Yes, I think they have condemned Israel for making repairs to the ramp adjoining the Western Wall when it collapsed several years ago.

As useful as teats on a boar-hog.

re: #170 Maine's Michael

No one called you an asshole.

This is all simply opinion. You're entitle to your opinion about Rice, misguided and delusional as it may be.

;)

No, no, I wasn't implying that you called me an asshole.
But sometimes I feel that way because I don't think she's as terrible as most people on this blog think.

I'm not saying that she's the best Sec of State we've ever had, but shit man, we've had some horrible ones in this country's history. Let's have some context.

re: #187 ayatollah ghilmeini

As always.

Superb.

re: #198 pat

Actually i don't watch tv, but that is interesting indeed. will google

Just saw it an hour or so ago on TV. Absolutely Flabbergasted! What the hell are they thinking? And what the hell have we become?

How does he get away with this (and all the other) reversals?

re: #189 USBeast

Thank you for your insight. A lot of us here regard the issue of Jerusalem in simplistic terms; i.e. "It's Jerusalem. It belongs to the Jews. End of message."

Okay, I fess up.

I think it's just that simple, end of message.

re: #189 USBeast

No international city-no way-no chance.

Only Israel can guarantee freedom of worship and access to holy sites in Jerusalem. The UN shits on Israel every second of every day...Jordanian soldiers PEED on the Kotel. No way, no thanks.

re: #130 Extra Z's

No one is disputing Israel's sovereignity over Jerusalem. But doesn't it bug you that BO would have an advisor who feels perfectly comfortable with things like this:

He refused, however, to rule out other configurations, such as the city also serving as the capital of a Palestinian state or Palestinian sovereignty over Arab neighborhoods.

It bugs me. Is there an Israeli in his right mind who would agree with those "configurations"? That is not a rhetorical question. Perhaps there are nuances that escape me.

re: #199 buzzsawmonkey

GMTA..but you forgot to mention the pee.

Pretty sure Obama heard from the State Department about Jerusalem.
This is one of the biggest problems with Obama- he doesn't know a damn thing about foreign policy and will thus be more dependent on the Arabists in the State department who want nothing more than to see the destruction of the State of Israel.

Read between the lines in todays transcript State briefing:

QUESTION: Yesterday, President Abbas had some pretty strong reaction to Senator Obama’s speech saying that the capital of Jerusalem should remain undivided.

MR. MCCORMACK: Right.

QUESTION: I was wondering if he brought that up with the Secretary and whether he was concerned that that was going to affect your current negotiations right now.

MR. MCCORMACK: I don’t know if he brought it up or not. But as I said yesterday, our policy is well known. It’s clear. It’s consistent. We talk about it almost every single day in terms of the outlines of it. And we are going to continue to act in the best interests of the United States and furthering that policy without respect to the presidential politics that is clearly ongoing.

Anyone who believed Obama's words after Wednesday is a fool.

OT: Yesterday columnist Kathleen Parker commented that the Democratic Party threw Hillary under the Prius. Pretty funny if you ask me.

re: #130 Extra Z's

Until then, they can f off. It's that simple.

I urge all of you to actually visit the places you want to sound like experts on. I have family and friends living in Israel, have spend time there on multiple trips, and will be moving there (G-d willing) in a few months.

Take a trip there yourself, meet the people, go places that are off the beaten path (you can actually get great deals on practically anything in the Armenian and Arab markets in the Old City, make sure you understand the concept of bargaining however).

But don't spout off random B.S. like this...it seriously hurts the credibility of the site.

I've been to Israel (twice), and I've gone to places off the beaten path, and I recognize BS when someone is trying to feed it to me. Like you are.

re: #213 WriterMom

No international city-no way-no chance.

Only Israel can guarantee freedom of worship and access to holy sites in Jerusalem. The UN shits on Israel every second of every day...Jordanian soldiers PEED on the Kotel. No way, no thanks.

Only Israel has and is guaranteeing freedom of worship and REPECT for ALL the holy sites!

re: #210 rawmuse

How does he get away with this (and all the other) reversals?

His supporters have less mind power than your average ant and teh MSM has long since declared him POTUS. The election is clearly only a formality.

This truly is change I can believe in. I have never met anyone quite as brain-dead as an Obama supporter.

re: #215 WriterMom

Nu, so where are the pics?

Howzitgoin?

re: #194 formercorpsman

That's what it looked like to me - weasled right out of it.

Then he added it to the list of distractions to his historic campaign.

How can you tell when Barry Obama is lying?

His lips are moving.

re: #222 Maine's Michael

Ahh, pictures of course...did you get my e-mail?

re: #212 savage_nation

Oh yeah, he did. Why, I have no idea...

Cyrus opposed any military intervention. That man is as anti military as it is possible to get. He quite possibly is the source from which they cloned Carters brain cell.

re: #214 angst

No one is disputing Israel's sovereignity over Jerusalem. But doesn't it bug you that BO would have an advisor who feels perfectly comfortable with things like this:

It bugs me. Is there an Israeli in his right mind who would agree with those "configurations"? That is not a rhetorical question. Perhaps there are nuances that escape me.

Well if truth be told, yes ,there are some secular liberal, very liberal, Israelis who would give Jerusalem away in a Heart beat. Sad to say.

Driving the Big Bus

re: #191 galloping granny

Did anybody other than me notice CBS' new "show" trailer . . . . . . for Swingcity - about, yes that's right - swingers! Real family entertainment that is!

Found it.
[Link: www.etonline.com...]

re: #210 rawmuse

How does he get away with this (and all the other) reversals?

John Kerry.....precedent?

re: #196 Nevergiveup

re: #199 buzzsawmonkey

In the immortal words of Tom Waits: "I'd been drinking cleaning products all night and was open to suggestion..."

So, ye sages, short of wholesale slaughter, how do we solve the problem of Jerusalem?

re: #219 Nevergiveup

Except for Jews.

Jews are not allowed on the Temple Mount, generally, and are barred from even moving their lips in prayer.

They might get in the way of the Arab Wakf as they excavate and truck away the Jews' archaeological heritage.

Lot of bad Secretaries of State. However 9-11 made the performance needs and demands of the job a lot different. She did a crappy job with dealing with the dictator in Pakistan and getting the right to go after those terrorists hiding out in Pakistan too I might add.

re: #231 USBeast

re: #199 buzzsawmonkey

In the immortal words of Tom Waits: "I'd been drinking cleaning products all night and was open to suggestion..."

So, ye sages, short of wholesale slaughter, how do we solve the problem of Jerusalem?

What problem?

re: #227 Nevergiveup

Well, I did specify "in his right mind," but I see where you're coming from. ;)

he is a disgraceful liar. he is saying anything to impress any audience before him.
forget what he says. we know who he is by the company he keeps and the history of his deeds and actions.
he will be worse than jimmy carter. i'm seeing the shah fall and carter just standing by.
b.o. will do the same to ham string israel. he is not a friend to israel. he is an enemy.
he will be idle while iran nukes up. b.o. has his priorities and they do not include the well being of america or israel.

re: #234 Nevergiveup

Exactly.

re: #233 offendi

Lot of bad Secretaries of State. However 9-11 made the performance needs and demands of the job a lot different. She did a crappy job with dealing with the dictator in Pakistan and getting the right to go after those terrorists hiding out in Pakistan too I might add.

A trip at SoS is a sure ticket to failure for any person conservative. A RINO might fare well, but even they would have to mould.

re: #225 WriterMom

Ahh, pictures of course...did you get my e-mail?

No, I didn't. I can check if it got put into the spam folder by my anitvirus.

When did you send it?

Could someone explain the capitol situation in Israel to me. I know that currently the capitol is in Tel Aviv but, do Israelis see Jerusalem as their capitol afterall?

On the bright side if Barry loses he could become the new pitch man for Kool-Aide.

re: #231 USBeast

re: #199 buzzsawmonkey

In the immortal words of Tom Waits: "I'd been drinking cleaning products all night and was open to suggestion..."

So, ye sages, short of wholesale slaughter, how do we solve the problem of Jerusalem?

This gentleman has a pretty good idea of just where to start - and already has:

[Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]

re: #227 Nevergiveup

Well if truth be told, yes ,there are some secular liberal, very liberal, Israelis who would give Jerusalem away in a Heart beat. Sad to say.

See comment #130.

re: #239 Maine's Michael

This afternoon.

re: #240 imtoast

Actually, the capital of Israel is Jerusalem-not Tel Aviv. Embassies are located in Tel Aviv as a form of political protest-a kind of 'screw you' to the Jewish state host.

re: #233 offendi

She has been so wrong, on so many things.

Forcing Hamas onto the ballot.

Forcing Benazir Bhutto onto Musharaff. And, whe she was killed, forcing Musharaf to cede real power to Taliban appeasers.

She is truly in way over her head.

re: #224 sngnsgt

How can you tell when Barry Obama is lying?

His lips ears are moving flapping.

re: #130 Extra Z's

it's very clear that none of you have been to the region and have no idea what the facts on the ground are.

It's very clear you don't come here very often or you would know there are Lizards who post from Israel, and other Lizards who visit frequently. My last visit was in February, my daughter lives in the Galilee, and my son has been living in Jerusalem since he finished his service in the IDF.

So yes, we know the facts on the ground.

The man's a walking UNO game. Probably throws down the draw fours on his best friend. REVERSE.
OK, Iron fist rule.
Nah.

re: #245 WriterMom

Actually, the capital of Israel is Jerusalem-not Tel Aviv. Embassies are located in Tel Aviv as a form of political protest-a kind of 'screw you' to the Jewish state host.

Thank you for clarifying that for me.

re: #219 Nevergiveup

Only Israel has and is guaranteeing freedom of worship and REPECT for ALL the holy sites!

Funny you would say this. We just finished watching a special on the historical significance of the Dome / Wailing Wall. I found it interesting how Muslims claim to have so much in common with Christians when commenting for a western TV show but were quick to point out that only Muslims were allowed inside the mosque. If we share the same God why can I not enter the Dome of the Rock?

Perhaps it's because the devil doesn't want a child of God in his house. IMHO.

I found Extra Z's avatar.

re: #240 imtoast

Could someone explain the capitol situation in Israel to me. I know that currently the capitol is in Tel Aviv but, do Israelis see Jerusalem as their capitol afterall?

Israel is the only Country in the world not allowed to name their own capital.
And lets be clear here.
The Knesset-The Israeli Parliament
All the Government Offices and Buildings
The Israeli Supreme Court
And on and on

Are all in WEST JERUSALEM!
So what's the problem here people.
But most countries insist on putting their Embassies - thus official recognition of a countries capital --in Tel Aviv?

re: #244 WriterMom

This afternoon.

Try resending at your convenience.

If it was this pm, it wouldn't have gone into my spam, as that is on my homebase computer, which I have not used today.

re: #130 Extra Z's

It doesn't sound like you are particularly attuned to the "nuance" of politicians.

In his speech to AIPAC, it seems to me that Obama made a statement that he clearly wanted people to interpret as his personal committment - that he would, as President, commit this country to any effort needed to ensure Jerasulem remains the undivided capital of Israel.

Now, however:

"Two principles should apply to any outcome," which the adviser gave as: "Jerusalem remains Israel's capital and it's not going to be divided by barbed wire and checkpoints as it was in 1948-1967."
He refused, however, to rule out other configurations, such as the city also serving as the capital of a Palestinian state or Palestinian sovereignty over Arab neighborhoods

re: #207 DesertSage

I don't feel she's that bad either because it's all a game that has to be played. The Palestinians can never renounce terrorism, so the Israelis never have to give up anything they don't want to. This nonsense has been going on for ? years with no results, and all parties know it won't get anywhere because the both sides are asking for things they know the other side can't possibly give up.

If Condi was jewish, that'd be the perfect person to throw in those barabarians faces. Every time they meet, there's an intelligent, single, black unveiled woman with these clowns, broadcast all over the Muslim world. Give her a Piglet shirt yet.

re: #238 JeremyR

A trip at SoS is a sure ticket to failure for any person conservative. A RINO might fare well, but even they would have to mould.

I don't agree. The lifers at State will either use you or fear you if you are the Executive. The problem has grown and festered because the diplos have had no reason to fear. Instead they have intimidated administration after administration with the threat of disclosures/leaks, what have you. Someone at the top has to take them to task and damn the torpedoes.

IMHO there is no such thing as "East" Jerusalem anyway. It's an artificial construct, and anyone who has been to Jerusalem can tell you that Jews are ALL OVER Jerusalem and they ain't going anywhere.

I here Jordan has been buying all sorts of property in Jerusalem.

re: #248 Alouette

I admit, I have never been there.

But I think I know enough.

Furthermore, seeing someone who has only contributed their opinion 9 times to the site in over a year makes me think as well.

#130 wreaks of condescension.

"Get off the phone you dope"

American support for Israel will apparently end with Obama's election.I hope that support for Islam is not forthcoming from the US but with Obama's Islamic roots, it may be.As an individual US citizen there is little I can do other than open my home to an Israeli family.Members of my family did something like this, before, in Poland and they are no more.I hope that won't be the case here.

re: #207 DesertSage

No, no, I wasn't implying that you called me an asshole.
But sometimes I feel that way because I don't think she's as terrible as most people on this blog think.

I'm not saying that she's the best Sec of State we've ever had, but shit man, we've had some horrible ones in this country's history. Let's have some context.

Didn't we have one or two that were flat out communist plants/sympathizers?

re: #141 Cognito

I'm a bit slow, tonight. What is a 'final status issue'?

I'm slow too. I don't quite get that, nor this one (from the article at the link):

"Two principles should apply to any outcome,"

I have absolutely no clue what that means.

re: #234 Nevergiveup

What problem?

Uh, the problem that keeps causing wholesale slaughter.

Please understand, everyone, that I am NOT denying Israel's claim to Jerusalem, but I'd have to be a total idiot to believe that the issue will be resolved peacefully.

And I would really love to have the UN Headquarters in the big middle of it when all hell breaks loose.

re: #240 imtoast

Could someone explain the capitol situation in Israel to me. I know that currently the capitol is in Tel Aviv but, do Israelis see Jerusalem as their capitol afterall?

The captol is in Jerusalem, but almost every embassy and all major government business is conducted in Tel Aviv.

re: #240 imtoast

Could someone explain the capitol situation in Israel to me. I know that currently the capitol is in Tel Aviv but, do Israelis see Jerusalem as their capitol afterall?

The Capital is Jerusalem. The Government is located in Jerusalem.

Most foreign Governments- including the US- refuse to recognize that fact, even pre-1967 war, because of anti Semitism and kow towing to Arab pressure.

re: #261 formercorpsman

I admit, I have never been there.

But I think I know enough.

Furthermore, seeing someone who has only contributed their opinion 9 times to the site in over a year makes me think as well.

#130 wreaks of condescension.

"Get off the phone you dope"

Yeah, the dude sounds like one of those mobys that drop in every now and again from somewhere like KOS to tell us how to think.

There story up. Jordan and Jerusalem.

re: #251 CommonCents

Fact is Jerusalem has always been the holiest city for Jews and Christians, but only became "important" to Muslims quite a long time after the foundation of the religion. It is nowhere as important as Mecca or Medina is to Muslims. No doubt much of its curent importance is manufactured simply because it is the capital of a Jewish state.

Night people.

re: #259 WriterMom

Unfortunately, Arabs are all over Jerusalem too.

Walking around fearlessly.

The interdigitating borders with the rabid pals are a monstrosity.

Leave it to the Jews to fight for their own country, after a millennium in ghettos, only to let the world world turn Israel into a ghetto.

re: #267 really grumpy big dog johnson

The captol is in Jerusalem, but almost every embassy and all major government business is conducted in Tel Aviv.

You really can't say all major government business is conducted in Tel Aviv. That is simply not true.

“Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided,”

“Jerusalem is a final status issue, which means it has to be negotiated between the two parties” as part of “an agreement that they both can live with.”

What in the history of the last 60 years gives anyone the impression that Palestinians will abide by any "negotiated" agreement with Israel?

re: #266 USBeast

Uh, the problem that keeps causing wholesale slaughter.

Please understand, everyone, that I am NOT denying Israel's claim to Jerusalem, but I'd have to be a total idiot to believe that the issue will be resolved peacefully.

And I would really love to have the UN Headquarters in the big middle of it when all hell breaks loose.

Did you notice that this "wholesale slaughter" occurred regularly when JORDAN controlled Jerusalem prior to 1967? Jerusalem is not the problem. That is a strawman, a construct to deflect attention from the real problem.

Support will not abruptly end. 14 Senators I think are Jewish. Obama will try to end it. But like Nixon, will decide that he cannot afford it. But it will be a trying time, out of the publics view.