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US Walks Away from UN 'Human Rights' Council

Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 1:14:33 pm PDT

It’s about time; the United States is finally walking away from the corrupt, hateful group of dictators’ toadies calling itself the UN Human Rights Council.

GENEVA, June 6 (Reuters) - The United States has quietly informed Western allies of its intention to walk away from the U.N. Human Rights Council, diplomatic sources said on Friday.

The U.S. delegation has observer status, with the right to speak, in the 47-member state forum, which meets in Geneva, and has never stood for election to the Council since it was set up two years ago.

Diplomatic sources and rights activists said that U.S. officials had informed the European Union on Friday morning of its intention to halt its involvement in the Council.

“They said they were going to disengage totally,” said one representative of a rights watchdog group.

In a Council debate on Friday on the situation in Myanmar, the United States failed to take the floor on a topic on which until now it has always been vocal, a possible sign that it had little further interest in the body. The Council replaced the widely discredited U.N. Commission on Human Rights.

But it is seen by critics as having fallen under control of a bloc of Islamic and African countries, which have a majority when backed by their frequent allies Russia, China and Cuba.

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1 tfc3rid  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:16:09pm

Good for US...

2 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:16:32pm

ULULULULULULULU

3 Gus Bailey  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:16:46pm

Perhaps we can pick up some momentum and walk away from the entire UN...

4 USA  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:17:16pm

We'll be back serving waffles come November.

5 Gjergj Skënderbeu  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:17:35pm

Now, its time to just leave the rest of the U.N. and we're good to go.

6 antishock8  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:18:24pm

Good for us. Long live Western Democracy, civilzation, and Freedom. To Hell with the Islamic Bloc, and their enablers.

7 stevem99  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:18:41pm

bout time!

8 simonml  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:19:05pm

About time.

But a question, why not try and get elected to council and change it from the inside? Has that plan already failed? Maybe its just a pipe dream, but I thought it should be asked

9 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:19:28pm

Will the Obamessiah reverse this decision?

10 Athos  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:19:51pm

Reason number 193 why the UN is a Failed Institution.

11 Gus Bailey  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:20:16pm

re: #8 simonml

The UN has lost all meaning. Why waste resources on the inane?

12 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:20:30pm

This is long past due- we should not give agenda councils any credibility with our participation.

13 coquimbojoe  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:20:36pm

I can't wait to see the Kostards spin this...

14 MJ  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:21:17pm

Canada, The UK, France, Germany, Italy, and The Netherlands should do the same.

15 turn  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:21:42pm

re: #13 coquimbojoe

I can't wait to see the Kostards spin this...

No doubt some Rovian plot

16 BuddyG  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:22:01pm

In related news William Hung finally stopped singing.

17 Athos  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:22:06pm

re: #8 simonml

To answer your question - the Islamic bloc of 57 nations combined with another bloc of 3rd World socialist leaning countries that also vote in a bloc make it relatively impossible for any legitimate work to get passed through the General Assembly unless they want it to.

If it is in the US interests, the interests of the West, or will protect Israel, then it will not pass. Anything that will damage the West, US, Israel, or redistribute wealth, will get passed.

The UN is surpassing the League of Nations as a failure.

18 quickjustice  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:22:10pm

Selective disengagement? I can see U.N. headquarters building from my window here in NYC. I've always thought it would be a great site for a Wal-Mart!

19 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:22:36pm

Thank you, Pres. Bush.

20 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:23:03pm

Oh, the Left will go into hysterics over this.

21 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:24:41pm
The Council replaced the widely discredited U.N. Commission on Human Rights.

Enough with the old, discredited entity. We want a NEW, discredited entity.

22 coquimbojoe  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:25:00pm

Listening to the Dead's Brokedown Palace, "Fare you well". Seems kinda fitting considering....

23 simonml  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:25:38pm

re: #17 Athos

To answer your question - the Islamic bloc of 57 nations combined with another bloc of 3rd World socialist leaning countries that also vote in a bloc make it relatively impossible for any legitimate work to get passed through the General Assembly unless they want it to.

If it is in the US interests, the interests of the West, or will protect Israel, then it will not pass. Anything that will damage the West, US, Israel, or redistribute wealth, will get passed.

The UN is surpassing the League of Nations as a failure.

I figured that was pretty much what was going on. Aren't we still on the U.N. Security council? that's still pretty important, right?

24 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:25:43pm

re: #18 quickjustice

Selective disengagement? I can see U.N. headquarters building from my window here in NYC. I've always thought it would be a great site for a Wal-Mart!

I like the idea of a 38-story Wal-Mart in the Secretariat building... *moonbat heads explode*

25 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:26:05pm

re: #4 USA

We'll be back serving waffles come November.

You mean next January 20th?

/let's hope it's neither

26 debutaunt  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:26:07pm

Levant: "I simply will not comply."

27 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:26:47pm

This is the best news I've seen all day.

28 wolfie  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:26:52pm

re: #21 Occasional Reader

Change!

29 DesertSage  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:26:53pm

re: #19 MandyManners

Thank you, Pres. Bush.

And Condi Rice.

30 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:27:07pm

As I noted earlier today, they shouldn't just walk, but run, and while they're at it, they should seriously consider taking the money and running.

Why let these guys continue to spew their venom on our dime?

31 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:27:22pm

re: #18 quickjustice

Selective disengagement? I can see U.N. headquarters building from my window here in NYC. I've always thought it would be a great site for a Wal-Mart!

That's been my take for years (either a Wal*Mart or a dog park). Implode it first.

32 Tigger2005  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:27:44pm

We did it so we could keep torturing those poor innocent souls in Gitmo.

33 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:27:56pm

A step in the right direction. How soon before we walk out of the entire building?

34 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:28:01pm
THE HIGH CONTRACTING PARTIES,

In order to promote international co-operation and to achieve international peace and security

by the acceptance of obligations not to resort to war,
by the prescription of open, just and honourable relations between nations,
by the firm establishment of the understandings of international law as the actual rule of conduct among Governments, and
by the maintenance of justice and a scrupulous respect for all treaty obligations in the dealings of organised peoples with one another,

Agree to this Covenant of the...... League of Nations.

The UN has failed as miserably as the League of Nations failed. Why should we continue with this charade?

35 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:28:26pm
36 mingjaiyo  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:28:29pm

How I do hope that this is a first step toward complete disengagement with the UN. I know that it won't be,although McCain has mentioned the idea of the need for a new organization made up of countries ruled only be democratic forms of government. This Council has been a sick,twisted joke from its inception. I am heartened to hear of the administration effectively telling the UN to "F-off". It's about time. I've posted hear a number of times over the years about one of my most fervent wishes being witnessing the US withdrawing from the UN and commandeering the building,and only giving one last bit of aid to them-help in relocation to Zimbabwe. This fantasy couldn't happen soon enough for me.

37 Buck  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:29:03pm

But isn't that surrender?

Shouldn't we stay and fight?

We are still going to pay the bills. Who do we think we are teaching a lesson?

I am not so sure this is a good idea.

38 Oh no...Sand People!  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:29:24pm

Just walk away and DO NOT leave the checkbook.

39 Athos  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:29:29pm

re: #23 simonml

Is the Security Council important? For what?

What does the UNSC really provide as a benefit except enabling actions and behavior it should prevent?

40 rusty_armor  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:30:09pm

Good ... now if we will only get out of the UN entirely and ship it to Tehran, then implode the building in NYC . . .

41 nikis-knight  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:30:12pm

re: #17 Athos

We really should get one vote per state.

Anyway, this is great, thank you pres. Bush. You can bet every last cent you have John "Global Test" Kerry or Al Gore would not have done this. And better hope Obama doesn't reverse it.

42 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:30:18pm
43 Athos  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:30:51pm

re: #30 lawhawk

As I noted earlier today, they shouldn't just walk, but run, and while they're at it, they should seriously consider taking the money and running.

Why let these guys continue to spew their venom on our dime?

Ding! Ding! Ding! - Cut off all funds and support. Instead, the US should partner directly with friendly countries to support the humanitarian efforts directly and deal with the problems directly.

44 littleO  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:31:05pm

Not long ago I heard rumor that the US and western allies were considering forming a new world organization that aspired to western ideals and would put together the financing and manpower (collectively) to achieve truly worthy goals.
I could have dreamt it.

Maybe cutting by half our UN funding, and charging market prices for rent of the facilities, Could kick-start the new organization.

45 BuddyG  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:31:08pm

re: #37 Buck


At some point ya gotta admit it's a bad marriage and move on.
(although you'll probably keep paying)

46 tfc3rid  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:31:19pm

re: #18 quickjustice

Selective disengagement? I can see U.N. headquarters building from my window here in NYC. I've always thought it would be a great site for a Wal-Mart!

Now you don't want to anger the Unions do you?

47 simonml  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:31:21pm

re: #39 Athos

Is the Security Council important? For what?

What does the UNSC really provide as a benefit except enabling actions and behavior it should prevent?

Although it may not serve much purpose anymore, isn't veto status on a Council with some (albeit very little) international importance still worth something?

48 Intrepid  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:31:31pm

Is this the Council DouDou Deine (?) is a member of?

49 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:31:41pm

re: #37 Buck

No- our participation gives legitimacy to thugs.

50 jpfletcher  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:32:08pm

re: #31 Ward Cleaver

Why not turn it into a condo?

51 Tigger2005  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:32:33pm

Time for a League of Democracies. Trying to make nice with people who don't even begin to share your values is a waste of time. As we saw with the tsunami, Western nations can get a hell of a lot more done when they just get to it.

52 TallTexan  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:32:47pm

Walk! Hell, RUN!

53 Gus Bailey  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:32:58pm

re: #37 Buck

Not the way it works. If a "committee" is nothing but rogues and bullies, then all it has is the "authority of the UN" heh.

54 Electron Shuffler  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:33:04pm

Kick em out of the US.
Brussels Belgium is probably the best place for them to set up next.

55 MJ  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:33:04pm

In other news from that cesspool:

UN Elects Ex-Sandinista as Assembly President

[Link: www.voanews.com...]

56 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:33:10pm

re: #8 simonml

But a question, why not try and get elected to council and change it from the inside?


Check out the list of countries on the council....Cuba, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, China, Jordan. The whole thing is a joke.

57 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:33:28pm
58 BuddyG  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:33:29pm

Demolish the UN building and make a sports stadium. Bring the Jets back to NY.

59 angst  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:34:09pm

re: #37 Buck

But isn't that surrender?

Shouldn't we stay and fight?

We are still going to pay the bills. Who do we think we are teaching a lesson?

I am not so sure this is a good idea.

I look at it the same way as sitting down with Iran to discuss Mideast Peace.
Waste of time for us and a legitimization of their position.

60 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:34:09pm

re: #48 Intrepid

Yup.

61 Gus Bailey  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:34:21pm

re: #37 Buck

We DON'T want to lend it credibility.

62 jcm  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:34:21pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout

Check out the list of countries on the council....Cuba, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, China, Jordan. The whole thing is a joke.

They've got all the experts on human rights violations, where the problem with that?
/////////

63 nikis-knight  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:34:31pm

re: #37 Buck

But isn't that surrender?

Shouldn't we stay and fight?

We are still going to pay the bills. Who do we think we are teaching a lesson?

I am not so sure this is a good idea.

It's not like we can't responde to their idiotic resolutions from a safe distance away, completely non-associated. Due to the large number of small countries ruled by dictatorships of one stripe or another, we probably don't have a chance of ever having a real influence.
Which is why we should get out entirely, and take as many decent countries with us as we can.

64 Intrepid  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:34:36pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout

Check out the list of countries on the council....Cuba, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, China, Jordan. The whole thing is a joke.

Yes, and these are such stellar examples of true human rights within their own borders...

/

65 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:34:45pm

Does this mean that we won't be attending The World Conference against Racism, Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia and Related Intolerance Pt II next April?

66 simonml  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:34:46pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout

Check out the list of countries on the council....Cuba, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, China, Jordan. The whole thing is a joke.

I agree whole heartedly. When Libya was elected chair of the Council it really came to fruition what a joke it is. Then there's the whole condemning Israel and only Israel again and again.

67 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:34:54pm

re: #48 Intrepid

Is this the Council DouDou Deine (?) is a member of?

Special Rapporteurs, who are unpaid and serve in a personal capacity, receive their mandates from the UN Commission on Human Rights.

68 madisonsfriend  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:34:55pm

We should have dumped the Un ages ago but with leaving the HRC - they can now drop all pretense and not even bother to do anything but condemn Israel.

69 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:35:15pm

re: #47 simonml

Although it may not serve much purpose anymore, isn't veto status on a Council with some (albeit very little) international importance still worth something?

No- not when thugs like saddam and kim jong il can feel free to give us the finger without fear. The UN has no teeth- no one fears them.

70 simonml  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:35:17pm

re: #61 Gus Bailey

We DON'T want to lend it credibility.

Amen

71 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:35:25pm

So, Olmert's comments raise specter of Israeli operation against the Palestinian terrorists in Gaza. Right, let's just ignore the reason that Israel has to conduct those operations in the first place - the ongoing barrages of mortars and rockets that make Southern Israel a very dangerous place to live, and where your life could be turned inside out in less than 15 seconds.

Responsibility for anything that happens in Gaza rests firmly on the heads of Hamas - they wanted war; they declared war on Israel; and Israel might finally (at long last) return the favor, though I worry that Olmert will still prevaricate and waffle his way into a mess.

72 Tigger2005  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:35:49pm

The UN Human Rights Council:

We stand for the right of theocrats, dictators, totalitarians, and Muslims to never be offended.

73 simonml  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:36:26pm

re: #69 Sharmuta

No- not when thugs like saddam and kim jong il can feel free to give us the finger without fear. The UN has no teeth- no one fears them.

Yeah. Strongly worded letters tend not to work.

74 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:36:30pm

Great news. There's nothing human nor right about that council.

75 nikis-knight  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:36:31pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout

Check out the list of countries on the council....Cuba, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, China, Jordan. The whole thing is a joke.

Cuba!
China!
Saudi Arabia!
Egypt!
...
I'm gonna run out of exclaimation marks. It really is a joke.

76 Athos  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:36:36pm

re: #34 Sharmuta

No reason.

I used to subscribe to the Bolton position that being part of it, as flawed as it is, still offers us benefits to work from within to do what we need to do. But I believe now that this institution is too far gone to be recovered.

The only thing remaining is for an American President and Congress to admit the failure that it has become and walk away from it. Our attention should be focused on replacing the UN with a loose organization of our friends and allies to undertake the humanitarian and defense initiatives that are needed in the world.

Let the UN fester in its corruption, malfeasance, sexual slavery, bigotry, and tolerance of fascism.

77 TallTexan  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:36:54pm

re: #58 BuddyG

Demolish the UN building and make a sports stadium. Bring the Jets back to NY.

Or the Dodgers to Brooklyn!

78 Electron Shuffler  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:37:04pm

re: #62 jcm

Ha ha ha! (Snicker).

79 Neo Con since 9-11  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:37:11pm

Does anyone know if Obama's plan to give a trillion dollars to to this corrupt organization ever passed?

80 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:37:51pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout

Check out the list of countries on the council....Cuba, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, China, Jordan. The whole thing is a joke.


The 47 seats in the Council are distributed among the UN's regional groups as follows: 13 for Africa, 13 for Asia, 6 for Eastern Europe, 8 for Latin America and the Caribbean, and 7 for the Western European and Others Group.


We're "others".

81 Tigger2005  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:37:55pm

re: #79 Neo Con since 9-11

Does anyone know if Obama's plan to give a trillion dollars to to this corrupt organization ever passed?

It failed.

82 madisonsfriend  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:38:30pm

re: #71 lawhawk

You know, you people don't get it, It is Israel's fault. Israel exists ergo it is at fault(i am not sure I used ergo right but I wanted to try to upgrade my language skills). As a Jew, I bear personal responsibilility for Islamic terrorism because we all know that if Jews didn't exist, Islam would join hands with the world and sing Kumbaya.

83 Neo Con since 9-11  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:38:58pm

re: #81 Tigger2005

Thanks.

84 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:38:59pm

re: #71 lawhawk


You mean stuff like this, and this?

Don't bother me with the cause here...we're talking effect.

85 tfc3rid  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:39:01pm

re: #82 madisonsfriend

You know, you people don't get it, It is Israel's fault. Israel exists ergo it is at fault(i am not sure I used ergo right but I wanted to try to upgrade my language skills). As a Jew, I bear personal responsibilility for Islamic terrorism because we all know that if Jews didn't exist, Islam would join hands with the world and sing Kumbaya.

Well, it's about time...

That's CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN!

86 Sharmuta  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:39:21pm

re: #76 Athos

Let the UN fester in its corruption, malfeasance, sexual slavery, bigotry, and tolerance of fascism.

Absolutely- with not a cent from us. I have a real problem with our tax dollars funding UN missions around the world so they can look the other way while hizbullah rearms, or rape children in Africa- just to name a couple.

87 Intrepid  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:39:29pm

re: #73 simonml

Yeah. Strongly worded letters tend not to work.

New UN response, after strongly worded letters: The UNDSWLPWT* takes over.

*UN Division of Strongly Worded Letter Paper Wad Throwers

88 mikeinmd  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:39:44pm

It's a start. I'm happy to see it.

89 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:40:03pm

This Council seems to resemble C.H.A.O.S. or SPECTRE more than one representing the world's hope for Human Rights. The US is right by pulling out of this joke. The UN has become a place for scumbags and despots to act like they are legitimate.....we should start a new world organization that holds the members to things we hold dear.......

90 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:40:08pm

re: #80 redstateredneck

We're "others".

We're "outa here".

91 simonml  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:40:12pm

re: #82 madisonsfriend

You know, you people don't get it, It is Israel's fault. Israel exists ergo it is at fault(i am not sure I used ergo right but I wanted to try to upgrade my language skills). As a Jew, I bear personal responsibilility for Islamic terrorism because we all know that if Jews didn't exist, Islam would join hands with the world and sing Kumbaya.

It sucks that so many people in the world really think this.

92 Tigger2005  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:40:19pm

re: #83 Neo Con since 9-11

Thanks.

For now, of course.

93 Athos  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:40:31pm

re: #47 simonml

The veto is immaterial if anything that comes from the UNSC has no meaning or no ability to enforce the resolutions. As Sharm pointed out, the enemies of civilization do not fear the ramifications of UNSC resolutions.

Also remember that the other major powers of WW2 also have vetoes. That means legitimate efforts to put pressure on rogue nations can be torpedoed by another country with a veto if that country prefers to see the damage being done on the West or can make some bucks / gain a critical resource from the rogue nation.

94 madisonsfriend  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:40:45pm

re: #84 WrathofG-d

Time for another Israel bond and I keep talking about buying Caterpillar stock. i know how to buy the bond(I buy one every year) but I have not bought actual stock in many years.

95 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:40:53pm
96 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:40:58pm

re: #85 tfc3rid

Well, it's about time...

That's CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN!

NOPE!

97 akak  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:41:25pm

Walking away isn't bad, but that will just add to the Bush hating.

Walking away from UN would be much more effective.

98 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:41:28pm

re: #85 tfc3rid


Every liberal should remember that:

Israel has provided Christians and Muslims with free and complete access control of holy sites in Jerusalem since the Holy City was restored to the Jewish State in the 1967 Six-Day War. (too much if you asked me During the time the city was occupied by Jordan, from 1948 to 1967, Christians and Jews were prohibited from holy sites.

99 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:41:43pm

re: #94 madisonsfriend

Time for another Israel bond and I keep talking about buying Caterpillar stock. i know how to buy the bond(I buy one every year) but I have not bought actual stock in many years.

I hope you didn't by any yesterday.

100 tfc3rid  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:41:44pm

re: #96 VegasRick

NOPE!

YES WE CAN!

101 nikis-knight  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:41:55pm

Think how many children could have warm lunches prepared by minority college students on work study programs in poor inner city schools with the money we send to the UN!
/moonbat statist off

Think how many bombers, aircraft carriers, and body armor we could buy with that, and actually have a tangible affect on human rights and international security.

102 Iron Fist  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:41:57pm

re: #71 lawhawk,

What Israel should do is begin high-altitude bombing of Gaza. Everywhere, anywhere, just bomb Gaza continuously. Inform the Palestinian people that the bombing will stop when they pile the heads (we don't need no stinkin' bodies) of all of Hamas at the border crossing into Israel.

Keep bombing until the condition is met, or there's nothing in Gaza worth bombing. Either way it's a win.

103 simonml  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:42:17pm

re: #95 taxfreekiller

Each American gets a free swing with a sledge hammer at the U.N. Building, and what ever they knock off it they get to keep to show for all the tax money they lost to this pile of shit.

I'd pay to take a swing at it. Think of how much money we could raise!

104 pat  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:42:34pm

Obama would talk

105 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:42:45pm
106 jill e  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:42:50pm

We've left the room...it's not all that much farther to walk completely out of the building.

107 Athos  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:43:05pm

re: #98 WrathofG-d

You know how the liberals HATE facts.

It destroys their feelings and perceptions.

108 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:43:08pm

re: #93 Athos

The veto is immaterial if anything that comes from the UNSC has no meaning or no ability to enforce the resolutions. As Sharm pointed out, the enemies of civilization do not fear the ramifications of UNSC resolutions.

Also remember that the other major powers of WW2 also have vetoes. That means legitimate efforts to put pressure on rogue nations can be torpedoed by another country with a veto if that country prefers to see the damage being done on the West or can make some bucks / gain a critical resource from the rogue nation.

And, with China never being friendly towards the USA and Czar Vlad holding the reigns of power in the NAIUSSR, there is very little hope of doing anything truly meaningful within the confines of the UN Security Council.

109 madisonsfriend  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:43:21pm

re: #91 simonml

It sucks that so many people in the world really think this.

Well, when Thailand gets terrorist attacks by Islamic fundies- who the hell believes Israel or Jews are involved? How is it that anyone buys the ROP- they will never be at peace while they have the financial backing of wealthy Arabs and the public/written support of Western moonbats.

110 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:43:36pm

re: #102 Iron Fist

,

What Israel should do is begin high-altitude bombing of Gaza. Everywhere, anywhere, just bomb Gaza continuously. Inform the Palestinian people that the bombing will stop when they pile the heads (we don't need no stinkin' bodies) of all of Hamas at the border crossing into Israel.

Keep bombing until the condition is met, or there's nothing in Gaza worth bombing. Either way it's a win.

But they might get condemned by the UN Human Rights Council.

111 mikeinmd  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:43:48pm

re: #103 simonml

I'd pay to take a swing at it. Think of how much money we could raise!

We already have. Now just give me the GD sledgehammer.

112 sattv4u2  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:43:54pm

I would prefer that we stay on the Human Rights Council and walk away from the General Assembly !

113 madisonsfriend  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:44:10pm

re: #99 Nevergiveup

well, the market dropped I know- so isn't this a good time to buy(if i could figure out what to do to just buy $1000 of Caterpillar stock)

114 chinesearithmetic  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:44:24pm

We're the chicken that kept its head.

115 shug  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:44:46pm

and the headlines in the world press goes something like this

United States Abandons Human Rights

116 simonml  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:45:09pm

re: #109 madisonsfriend

Well, when Thailand gets terrorist attacks by Islamic fundies- who the hell believes Israel or Jews are involved? How is it that anyone buys the ROP- they will never be at peace while they have the financial backing of wealthy Arabs and the public/written support of Western moonbats.

You'd be surprised. Its all the Jews' fault!

/

117 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:45:15pm

re: #94 madisonsfriend

Those are great ideas..if you want more options, there is always ZOA, and this, and Katif Fund.

118 Iron Fist  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:45:32pm

re: #110 Nevergiveup,

Send them one of the heads with a strongly worded letter. That would shut the HRC up.

119 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:45:50pm
120 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:46:07pm
121 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:46:15pm

re: #102 Iron Fist

,

What Israel should do is begin high-altitude bombing of Gaza. Everywhere, anywhere, just bomb Gaza continuously. Inform the Palestinian people that the bombing will stop when they pile the heads (we don't need no stinkin' bodies) of all of Hamas at the border crossing into Israel.

Keep bombing until the condition is met, or there's nothing in Gaza worth bombing. Either way it's a win.

Maybe they should start launching crudely made and highly inaccurate homemade rockets into highly populated areas with hopes of killing and/or maiming as many civilians as possible....the UN sees nothing wrong with that tactic (providing you are not a Jew living in Israel)

122 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:46:41pm

re: #112 sattv4u2

I would prefer that we stay on the Human Rights Council and walk away from the General Assembly !

We're not allowed to be on the Human Rights Council. We don't have the proper qualifications. We are just observers like the PLO were in the good old days of he general Assembly. What a bizarro world.

123 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:47:28pm

re: #100 tfc3rid

YES WE CAN!

NO THEY DIDN'T!

124 David IV of Georgia  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:47:29pm

re: #89 Desert Dog

Do we need a man from UN C.L.E. to straighten them out?

125 alegrias  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:47:30pm

re: #55 MJ

In other news from that cesspool:

UN Elects Ex-Sandinista as Assembly President

[Link: www.voanews.com...]

* * *
Alarm bells, Amigos~

THis creep called Reagan and Bush "liars" and worse. Now this punk will be insulting Pres. Bush before the November election, for the benefit of the Worlds' Next Best HOPE Dear Leader.

What an agenda--taking the US down several pegs, because the World Can't Wait.

from your link,

"...D'Escoto, the son of a Nicaraguan diplomat, was born in the United States in Los Angeles. He was ordained as a Roman Catholic priest and, later, admonished by Pope John Paul for his involvement in politics. But he continued to support the Sandinista National Liberation Front and was appointed foreign minister when the insurgents came to power in 1979. He remained in that position until the Sandinistas lost power in 1990.

D'Escoto's first meeting with the news media after his election got off to a rocky start as several reporters asked questions about his criticisms of the United States over the years. D'Escoto says he has always had great love for the United States, regardless of his opposition to some U.S. policies. At the same time, he says his top priority will be to end the dominance of the United States and Europe at the United Nations, especially on the powerful Security Council.
"I hope my presidency will address what has become a universal clamor all over the world for the democratization of the United Nations. I promise to give full support to the working group on the revitalization of the General Assembly. I bring nothing new. It is a matter of emphasis," he said....."

126 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:47:58pm

re: #113 madisonsfriend

well, the market dropped I know- so isn't this a good time to buy(if i could figure out what to do to just buy $1000 of Caterpillar stock)

Well don't ask my advice. My history is to buy high and sell-if there is anything left- low. So now I let my wife handle it.

127 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:48:21pm

re: #124 David IV of Georgia

Do we need a man from UN C.L.E. to straighten them out?

I think we'd be S.C.R.E.W.E.D. if we let that council decide anything

128 BuddyG  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:49:19pm

re: #110 Nevergiveup

But they might get condemned by the UN Human Rights Council.


Kinda like a drug dealer who complains when his customers stop calling

129 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:50:28pm

re: #125 alegrias

And we all thought the UN was a travesty and waste of good land a year ago!

130 Allah al Fubar  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:51:17pm

ULULULULULULULULULULULULU ALLAH CLARKBAR!

I hope this is the message we are sending to the "Human Rights" council.

131 alegrias  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:51:38pm

re: #106 jill e

We've left the room...it's not all that much farther to walk completely out of the building.

* * *
It's OUR building THEY are polluting. It's our country they're undermining.

It's Time for Them to Go,

(as formerly groovy Bill and Al said of Bush/Quayle in 1992.)

132 ThinkRed  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:51:45pm

It's champagne time!

133 Maximu§  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:52:14pm

I'm curious what Prince Obama will say about this....

134 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:53:25pm

re: #17 Athos

To answer your question - the Islamic bloc of 57 nations combined with another bloc of 3rd World socialist leaning countries that also vote in a bloc make it relatively impossible for any legitimate work to get passed through the General Assembly unless they want it to.

If it is in the US interests, the interests of the West, or will protect Israel, then it will not pass. Anything that will damage the West, US, Israel, or redistribute wealth, will get passed.

The UN is surpassing the League of Nations as a failure.

Which is why McCain has proposed a League of Democracies. None of these dictatorships dictating the agenda of the UN.

135 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:53:38pm

re: #133 Maximu§

I'm curious what Prince Obama will say about this....

He's deeply saddened.

136 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:54:04pm

re: #133 Maximu§

I'm curious what Prince Obama will say about this....

I think he has to consult with Andrew Young first.

137 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:54:34pm

re: #133 Maximu§

I'm curious what Prince Obama will say about this....

They are not the HRC that he knew.

138 Iron Fist  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:54:34pm

re: #133 Maximu§

I'm curious what Prince God-Emporer Obama will say about this....


You must give Him His proper honorific.

139 Intrepid  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:54:40pm

re: #135 redstateredneck

He's deeply saddened.

This is not the UN Council on Human Rights he's always known.

140 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:55:02pm
141 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:55:10pm

re: #133 Maximu§

I'm curious what Prince Obama will say about this....

Does it matter? Whatever it is, the MSM will praise him for it.

142 jill e  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:55:35pm

re: #131 alegrias

The PERFECT example of the inmates running the asylum...the fox guarding the chicken coop...!

143 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:55:40pm

re: #139 Intrepid

This is not the UN Council on Human Rights he's always known.

You owe me a coke.

144 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:55:55pm

OT: Lizards, my birthday is coming up in August. Not that I'm, you know, hinting or anything.

145 Athos  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:56:17pm

re: #133 Maximu§

I'm curious what Prince Obama will say about this....

This is not the UN I knew ........

146 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:56:36pm
147 Maximu§  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:56:43pm

re: #138 Iron Fist

You must give Him His proper honorific.

Your right...how stupid of me and now I'll pay the ultimate price.

~throws myself out 22 story window~

Its all for you Obamaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

~splat~

148 WalterMitty  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:56:45pm

Pull the lease, cut the utilities and post the eviction notice on the front door.

Let them move to wherever they please.

149 David IV of Georgia  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:56:54pm

I think the UN building would make a nice museum.

We don't have a Hall of Fame for Manipulation, Stupidity and Corruption do we?

150 wolfie  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:57:29pm

Nice idea the UN.
I fear it was doomed from the start by including Stalin's USSR on the Security Council. The notion that we can all work together for universal ideals of peace and prosperity may be pretty, but it's unfortunately untrue.
The UN will stand as long as our elites believe in kumbaya politics.
Dreams die hard.

151 Intrepid  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:57:48pm

re: #143 VegasRick

You owe me a coke.

Yep - here ya go!

152 maddogg  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:58:16pm
GENEVA, June 6 (Reuters) - The United States has quietly informed Western allies of its intention to walk away from the U.N. Human Rights Council, diplomatic sources said on Friday.


You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.
153 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:58:29pm

re: #144 Occasional Reader

OT: Lizards, my birthday is coming up in August. Not that I'm, you know, hinting or anything.

Dang!

154 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:58:32pm

I am as outta here as the US is outta the Human Rights Council.
Later, lizards.

155 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:58:32pm

re: #149 David IV of Georgia

I think the UN building would make a nice museum.

We don't have a Hall of Fame for Manipulation, Stupidity and Corruption do we?

What is in that Capital building in Washington DC?

157 Gus Bailey  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:58:49pm

Ciao bellisimo

158 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:58:54pm

re: #146 taxfreekiller

give me about two years, planet earth would be war free

I agree, there will be no people left after the nuclear exchanges, so, no people, no war.....

159 David IV of Georgia  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 1:59:29pm

re: #155 Nevergiveup

Touché.

160 Athos  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:00:05pm

re: #155 Nevergiveup

What is in that Capital building in Washington DC?

Nah, the DNC headquarters in DC hosts that living museum.

161 Allah al Fubar  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:00:20pm

re: #135 redstateredneck

He's deeply saddened.

No, he will say, "This is not the Human Rights Council that I knew".

/get your canned obama response straight!

162 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:01:16pm

re: #149 David IV of Georgia

I think the UN building would make a nice museum.

We don't have a Hall of Fame for Manipulation, Stupidity and Corruption do we?

We can get the National Horse and Bull Manure Association to build a nice exhibit in the building that currently houses the UN. There is already a large supply of hip boots and shovels on hand (metaphorically speaking, or course)

163 littleO  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:01:16pm

The UN was begun as a grand notion That the idea of a global democracy and freedom could be achieved.
Realist will claim that the UN was formed to increase business and industry, and the wealth that goes with it
I say, on both points there is failure. Dissolve the corperation and form a new one that can achieve the goals.

164 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:01:27pm
165 Seraphym  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:01:44pm

re: #71 lawhawk

You know, I've often wondered, that if Israel gave a 24-hour notice and then literally started carpet-bombing Gaza into rubble, end to end, leaving no stone unblackened, what would the MSM and 'palestinian' (yes, redundant) opinion be then?

Since the MSM and their 'palestinian' handlers already accuse Israel of trying to kill all the hapless civilians and the brave 'freedom fighters,' what could they complain about if Israel actually started doing just that? If Israel's already convicted for a crime it didn't do, they can essentially do the crime at that point and be in the same position. In this case, that position would result in the safety of your citizens and the elimination of your worst enemy's (Iran) closest ally... I'd say that's better off, then.

Olmert would never do it, though. He's only interested in his own survival.

166 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:01:57pm

re: #150 wolfie

I think it was also a huge mistake to organize it along the lines of European style post-democracy; rotating presidencies, non-democratic voting systems, etc. Just the moral equivalency of dictators voting and the worlds worst human rights violators sitting on the human rights council is just absurd. It was a doomed project.

167 simonml  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:03:07pm

re: #144 Occasional Reader

Coolest gun I've seen in a while

168 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:03:39pm

re: #149 David IV of Georgia

I think the UN building would make a nice museum.

We don't have a Hall of Fame for Manipulation, Stupidity and Corruption do we?

We could put in the museum all of the horrors of dictatorships - the Nazi concentration camps, the Soviet Gulag, Pol Pot's re-education camps; Mao's cultural revolution, the Rwanda genocide, Sudan, etc.
With especial note of those that the UN failed to stop.
Also include the UN "peacekeepers'" rapes and pillaging.

It could be done like the Holocaust museum, where each visitor gets a name and goes through the horrors that happened to that person.
And is reminded of what the UN was formed to stop, and how it failed.

169 Mike in Georgia  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:04:10pm

re: #166 Killgore Trout

Kind like the EU?

170 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:04:31pm
171 Desert Dog  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:05:08pm

re: #166 Killgore Trout

I think it was also a huge mistake to organize it along the lines of European style post-democracy; rotating presidencies, non-democratic voting systems, etc. Just the moral equivalency of dictators voting and the worlds worst human rights violators sitting on the human rights council is just absurd. It was a doomed project.

In a world were equality trumps everything, including reality, this is the end result. I think the same line of reasoning was used to concoct the Democrats primary systems as well.

172 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:05:18pm
173 VegasRick  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:05:43pm

re: #151 Intrepid

Yep - here ya go!

Nice!

174 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:05:48pm

re: #165 Seraphym

This is a stupid conversation as we don't make these decisions but; Israel does not need to harm &/or kill the innocent Gazans with carpet bombing. That being said, what they should do is eliminate every Hamas memeber in a week. I don't mean 10, or 20, but 100s. I mean really wipe them out. It should be done clandestinely, and as clean as possible, its about Defense...not murder, or collective punishment. A Gazan Operation Wrath of G-d.

At funerals, and such, the Hamas-holes are not shy about their affiliation.

175 Kenneth  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:06:49pm

re: #144 Occasional Reader

I hope you're not expecting us to pass the hat around and hire Adriana Lima to date you for the evening...

so far we only have enough to get you a coffee date with Kevin Lima.

176 Ojoe  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:07:16pm

Off Topic - Joke - Friday...

"What's that?"

"It's a crypt."

"Who's buried there?"

"Nanda"

"No wonder I couldn't tell what it was."

"Why?"

"It's nondescript."

177 Athos  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:07:36pm

re: #171 Desert Dog

At the very least, it's indicative of the electoral farces enacted by the two bit dictators like Mugabe, Chavez, DinnerJacket, etc that, except for convincing complete tools like Carter, do not resemble free and open elections.

178 Mike in Georgia  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:08:04pm

re: #176 Ojoe

Booooooo

179 Wilderstad  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:08:05pm

About time!
Now cut off the money spigot, and kick the whole stinking mess out of Turtle Bay and the U.S.A.

180 seekeroftruth  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:08:10pm

Does this mean we get to kick out the UN Human Rights Council guy that's "investigating" racial incidents in several cities? And the one who is "investigating" illegal immigrant rights in our country?

181 Ojoe  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:08:39pm

re: #178 Mike in Georgia

I made that up today

it's fresh

182 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:08:53pm
183 wolfie  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:09:09pm

re: #166 Killgore Trout

I think it was also a huge mistake to organize it along the lines of European style post-democracy; rotating presidencies, non-democratic voting systems, etc. Just the moral equivalency of dictators voting and the worlds worst human rights violators sitting on the human rights council is just absurd. It was a doomed project.

Spot on.

184 Allah al Fubar  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:09:15pm

Does this mean we don't have to overhaul their headquarters at our expense?

185 seekeroftruth  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:10:24pm

re: #182 buzzsawmonkey

You mean the Special Rap Auteur?

Yea, him. ; - )

186 opinionated  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:11:06pm

Walking away from them over there so that we don't have to deal with them over here.

187 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:11:21pm

It is NOT my intention to discuss Abortion, however, does anyone know McCain's stance on this issue?

(trying to talk someone (who hates Obama but is a life long Dem) to vote McCain.)

188 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:12:09pm

re: #169 Mike in Georgia

Exactly.

189 opinionated  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:12:30pm

re: #187 WrathofG-d

It is NOT my intention to discuss Abortion, however, does anyone know McCain's stance on this issue?

(trying to talk someone (who hates Obama but is a life long Dem) to vote McCain.)

[Link: www.ontheissues.org...]

190 Ojoe  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:12:32pm

re: #187 WrathofG-d

You might tell the person that Obama thinks babies can be a punishment.

191 DocMartyn  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:13:18pm

re: #121 Desert Dog

I made that suggestion on CiF, apparently the Israelis are not allowed to, "according to international law".

192 yochanan  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:13:19pm

re: #130 Allah al Fubar

ULULULULULULULULULULULULU ALLAH CLARKBAR!

I hope this is the message we are sending to the "Human Rights" council.

FUBAR THEY CAN KISS MY GRITS TOO!

193 seekeroftruth  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:14:11pm

re: #187 WrathofG-d

This might help : [Link: www.johnmccain.com...]

194 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:15:00pm

re: #189 opinionated

Thank you very much. It seems his stance is: Politician.

195 yochanan  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:15:54pm

Olimert could end up doing the right thing for the wrong reason, it would not suprise me if he started on the HAMASSHOLES to protect his own touckas.

196 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:16:14pm

re: #193 seekeroftruth

That is a great resource....but would weaken my argument in her eyes FOR McCain.

197 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:16:39pm

re: #195 yochanan


he might start but he won't finish.
(or so his wife says)

198 debutaunt  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:16:51pm

re: #181 Ojoe

I made that up today

it's fresh

Nonda?

199 BBev  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:17:28pm

I have a rhetorical question, who is paying these ass hats to meet, who pay most of the bill for the UN and why are we not in charge of it?

200 mikeinmd  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:17:32pm

What report will come out first. The America is racist report or the UN employee rape report.

I'm guessing the rape report will be released 2 days before the earth crashes into the sun.

201 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:18:18pm

re: #199 BBev

That would be us the U.S. through our donations to the U.N., and to your second question....because we are idiots.

Dang, look at all the social programs IN the U.S. we could fund if we just stopped giving billions to the U.N. (middleground. Change!)

202 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:18:26pm
203 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:18:40pm

re: #195 yochanan

Olimert could end up doing the right thing for the wrong reason, it would not suprise me if he started on the HAMASSHOLES to protect his own touckas.

The way Olmert conducts a war, it will probably put his touckas in even hotter water.

204 seekeroftruth  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:19:06pm

re: #196 WrathofG-d

Ooops - then don't show her that one!

205 wolfie  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:20:08pm

re: #187 WrathofG-d

It is NOT my intention to discuss Abortion, however, does anyone know McCain's stance on this issue?

(trying to talk someone (who hates Obama but is a life long Dem) to vote McCain.)

McCain has a pro-life voting record in Congress.
He is obviously not preachy about it........or you wouldn't have to ask!
He strongly believes a******* should not be a federal issue.
He voted for the ban on partial birth a*******.
He is opposed to using tax money to fund a*******s or to promote them abroad.
He voted for embryonic stem cell research, but wants to prohibit cloning.

206 yochanan  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:20:38pm

re: #168 Kosh's Shadow

We could put in the museum all of the horrors of dictatorships - the Nazi concentration camps, the Soviet Gulag, Pol Pot's re-education camps; Mao's cultural revolution, the Rwanda genocide, Sudan, etc.
With especial note of those that the UN failed to stop.
Also include the UN "peacekeepers'" rapes and pillaging.

It could be done like the Holocaust museum, where each visitor gets a name and goes through the horrors that happened to that person.
And is reminded of what the UN was formed to stop, and how it failed.


DING DING DING LIGHTS FLASHING WE HAVE A WINNER.

207 seekeroftruth  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:21:08pm

re: #200 mikeinmd

What report will come out first. The America is racist report or the UN employee rape report.

I'm guessing the rape report will be released 2 days before the earth crashes into the sun.

And the "racist " report will arrive just in time for the election to prove that if we don't vote Obama, it's because we're all racist.

208 Seraphym  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:22:11pm

re: #174 WrathofG-d

Israel does not need to harm &/or kill the innocent Gazans with carpet bombing.

Hence the 24-hour notice. The 'palestinians' are either innocent and do not wish to murder all the evil joos, and so have got 24 hrs to leave (some unknown percentage, smaller than we'd think I bet), or they are supporters of the Hamas charter and are welcome to stay for the show (the rest).

Transport all those who want to leave to the West Bank or Hizballah-land, after confiscating all weapons and paying them current market value for them. Vet every single person through the latest intel, looking for terrorist ties. Arrest any Hamas members who are on lists of known fighters. Every Hamas leader, down to the local squad leader, is executed. The basic Hamas cronies are given prison terms and considered for release at a later date, depending on their known or deduced levels of involvement in trial.

Do it with the intent of not allowing a free re-population of the area without some serious re-building. Make it clear to the eventual re-builders that behaving the same way as before will result in the same treatment.

Of course, none of this will happen... but it would solve the situation in Gaza at least, and all without doing anything worse than what the rest of the Middle East accuses Israel of on a daily basis.

209 BBev  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:22:41pm

re: #201 WrathofG-d

That would be us the U.S. through our donations to the U.N., and to your second question....because we are idiots.

Dang, look at all the social programs IN the U.S. we could fund if we just stopped giving billions to the U.N. (middleground. Change!)


Give me the money and I will show them what to do. It sounds to me that the human rights meeting is a target rich environment.

210 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:22:57pm

Jihad from Mom's basement....

Muslim Extremist's Web Site Stirs Mixed Emotions in Charlotte, N.C.


In a quiet, upscale neighborhood in Charlotte, N.C., rows of custom-style homes and neatly landscaped lawns represent the American dream.

But one local resident has shattered that image, calling for the death of American troops in Iraq and supporting Al Qaeda through his Web site, which he reportedly runs from his parents' home.

Samir Khan is the man behind Revolution.Muslimpad.com — a radical Islamic site that praises Usama bin Laden and asks for Allah to “curse more American soldiers.”

The site posts videos of U.S. Humvees being blown up by roadside bombs in Iraq. It aims to inspire young Muslims to wage war against the West.

I wonder if he posts at Dkos. Obama supporter?

211 wolfie  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:23:42pm

re: #190 Ojoe

You might tell the person that Obama thinks babies can be a punishment.

He also thinks that if they are unwanted, they can be shoved in a closet and left to die while screaming their little lungs out.
Not even NARAL opposed the Born-Alive Baby Act.

212 Jimash  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:24:59pm
But it is seen by critics as having fallen under control of a bloc of Islamic and African countries, which have a majority when backed by their frequent allies Russia, China and Cuba.

The Curse of the OIC.

213 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:25:01pm

re: #210 Killgore Trout

And this is legal How?

214 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:25:44pm

re: #213 Nevergiveup

And this is legal How?

The First Amendment.

215 nyc redneck  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:26:24pm

great decision. none of these people in the bloc of islamic and african countries are capable of being objective and doing the right thing. they are obsessed w/ anger and petty jealousy. they are a collection of thugs who don't care abt. human rights. wasn't mugabe on that council? that says it all.
i'm glad we walked away. let's keep walking.

216 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:26:31pm
217 wolfie  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:26:50pm

re: #194 WrathofG-d

Thank you very much. It seems his stance is: Politician.

Actually, he isn't very "political" about the issue.
As I said, the fact that you didn't know his position says a lot.

You should tell your friend that you aren't sure!

218 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:27:22pm

re: #216 buzzsawmonkey

Which makes you wonder about his fathering skills.

Do they a nanny? Housekeeper?

219 yochanan  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:27:36pm

walk on by if you see me walking on the street (message to the u.n.)
walk on by.

220 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:28:02pm

re: #214 MandyManners

The First Amendment.

Inciting harm against the USA? Supporting terrorism?

221 alegrias  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:28:35pm

re: #187 WrathofG-d

It is NOT my intention to discuss Abortion, however, does anyone know McCain's stance on this issue?

(trying to talk someone (who hates Obama but is a life long Dem) to vote McCain.)

* * *
McCain is PRO life, has three daughters of 7 children total, of whom 3 are adopted.

222 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:28:42pm
223 EC Marm  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:29:07pm

re: #210 Killgore Trout
See, poverty is the root cause of islamic extremism:

In a quiet, upscale neighborhood in Charlotte, N.C., rows of custom-style homes and neatly landscaped lawns represent the American dream.
224 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:29:12pm

re: #220 Nevergiveup

Inciting harm against the USA? Supporting terrorism?

Does he solicit funds or support it materially otherwise? Having and propogating an assholish opinion is not illegal.

225 JCM  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:29:32pm

re: #210 Killgore Trout

KT you need to post this one....

Holy water? Christian man's car 'gets 100 miles per ounce''I've just been asking for a way the Lord to show me to raise money rapidly'

With gasoline prices in the $4 per gallon range, a Christian inventor in Florida claims he's developed a way to seriously stretch the fuel mileage on his car.

"I get 100 miles to the ounce on water," Anthony Brown told WJXX-TV in Jacksonville. "I can run any water – distilled water, drinking water, tap water."

226 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:29:40pm

re: #222 buzzsawmonkey

Don't know. But when Michelle referred to her husband as her "baby daddy" a few weeks back, I retched slightly.

How quaint!

227 JCM  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:30:12pm

re: #225 JCM

KT you need to post this one....



Forgot the link.

D'oh!

228 mikeinmd  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:30:16pm

re: #222 buzzsawmonkey

Don't know. But when Michelle referred to her husband as her "baby daddy" a few weeks back, I retched slightly.

She did that again ?
I heard her say that when he won his Senate seat, during his speech, that's how she introduced him. Got a link ?

229 Alouette  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:30:18pm

re: #102 Iron Fist

,

What Israel should do is begin high-altitude bombing of Gaza. Everywhere, anywhere, just bomb Gaza continuously. Inform the Palestinian people that the bombing will stop when they pile the heads (we don't need no stinkin' bodies) of all of Hamas at the border crossing into Israel.

Keep bombing until the condition is met, or there's nothing in Gaza worth bombing. Either way it's a win.

You barbarian.

230 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:30:25pm

re: #214 MandyManners

Also having this out in the open allows the feds to keep an eye on him and who he's talking to.

231 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:30:29pm
232 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:30:53pm

re: #224 MandyManners

Does he solicit funds or support it materially otherwise? Having and propogating an assholish opinion is not illegal.

What ever happened to the good old days, when a guy like this got taken out behind the building and the facts of life were splained to him?

233 shug  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:31:06pm

re: #222 buzzsawmonkey

Don't know. But when Michelle referred to her husband as her "baby daddy" a few weeks back, I retched slightly.

Barry...........you are the father

/maury

234 wolfie  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:31:11pm

re: #210 Killgore Trout

I'm not sure.........premature senility here....but I think Realwest knows this guy or some of his neighbors. Seems to me I recently saw something about this during an insomniacal lurk on a night thread.

235 alegrias  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:31:13pm

re: #222 buzzsawmonkey

Don't know. But when Michelle referred to her husband as her "baby daddy" a few weeks back, I retched slightly.

* * *
Well, it's less holier than thou for sure.

That whole married with nuclear family centric idea is so....middleclassness.

236 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:31:22pm

re: #227 JCM

Somebody beat me to it yesterday. I gave it a plus though.

237 Salem  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:31:35pm

I think Rush Limbaugh deserves a lot of credit, now that Obama has finally got a lock on the nom. Can you imagine how one-sided things would be right now if not for "operation Chaos"? Ratmuffin is already showing Obama ahead of McCain. I've talked to a number of Dems lately who think Obama doesn't have a chance because of all of his associations (though they seem inclined to blame Hillary, suggesting they aren't personally concerned with Obama's sordid history).

That's sheerly anecdotal, of course, and probably wrong. I seriously question how many Hillary supporters are going to vote 4 McCain in November. Ratmuffin shows that 22% of Hillary supporters will go with McCain (or not vote for a candidate), but added that that number will probably shrink. I'm afraid I agree. The polling shows that 30% of respondants think McCain is too old. I also agree with that. 44% said that Obama is too inexperienced. But I don't think that's as much of a factor to people as being too old. Obama will get experience quickly after he's sworn in, but McCain isn't getting any younger.

So if Ratmuffin is saying Obama would be president if the election were held today, I'm starting to wonder what magnitude of scandal it will take to give it too McCain by November. The Rezko thing is just warming up, but I have a feeling that's not going to turn the trick by itself.

238 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:33:45pm
239 JCM  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:33:52pm

re: #236 Killgore Trout

Somebody beat me to it yesterday. I gave it a plus though.

Somebody needs to explain physics, thermodynamics, and chemistry to these yahoos.

Not to mention religion.

*sheesh*

240 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:33:55pm

re: #237 Salem

All past polling has consistently shown that those doing the polling over estimate Left wing support and under estimate conservative support.

241 alegrias  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:34:18pm

Half the Supreme Court is over 75, one of those guys is 88.

And McCain's 71 year old spine is still taller & stiffer than waffle King, and McCain won't bow reflexively before people out to kill us.

242 Render  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:34:51pm

Mount bulldozer blades on the Merkavas.

Park them side by side track to track on the northern border of the Strip.

Drive south at around five mph, pausing only to reload and refuel.

Halt only at Suez.

MOVING
WALLS,
R

243 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:35:14pm

re: #221 alegrias

That is what I am realizing. I think I'll try to avoid the issue. The person I am discussing it with hates Obama, but is afraid that McCain will make Abortion illegal and women will be "forced" to have dangerous back ally aboritions and die....DIE I tell you Death all over.........ahhhhhhhhh

244 nyc redneck  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:35:32pm

re: #238 buzzsawmonkey

No, no link; I think I heard it on the radio.

I've been beating the drum for a while about the social descent represented by the fact that the Supremes' anti-bastardy, let's-wait song "Love Child" was a big hit forty years ago, while today it's "Baby Mama."

That the wife of a Presidential candidate is using this language is disgusting.

she is a classless, crude buffoon.

245 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:36:10pm

re: #242 Render

I should point out that if Israel didn't participate in a previous "land for peace" deal, Gaza would have no Phakestinians in it. (lots of Arabs, but they would live side by side with Jews and be Israelis)

246 JCM  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:36:12pm

re: #242 Render

Mount bulldozer blades on the Merkavas.

Park them side by side track to track on the northern border of the Strip.

Drive south at around five mph, pausing only to reload and refuel.

Halt only at Suez.

MOVING
WALLS,
R

Sharon just about did that, had the Egyptian 3rd surrounded and cut off and a clean run to Cairo.

247 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:36:34pm

re: #230 Killgore Trout

Also having this out in the open allows the feds to keep an eye on him and who he's talking to.

Yep.

248 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:36:35pm

re: #242 Render

Mount bulldozer blades on the Merkavas.

Park them side by side track to track on the northern border of the Strip.

Drive south at around five mph, pausing only to reload and refuel.

Halt only at Suez.

MOVING
WALLS,
R

Just a hunch, but Egypt might throw a hissy fit.

249 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:37:14pm
250 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:37:16pm

re: #243 WrathofG-d

That is what I am realizing. I think I'll try to avoid the issue. The person I am discussing it with hates Obama, but is afraid that McCain will make Abortion illegal and women will be "forced" to have dangerous back ally aboritions and die....DIE I tell you Death all over.........ahhhhhhhhh

They can always fly to the EU for an Abortion.

251 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:38:17pm

re: #241 alegrias

Half the Supreme Court is over 75, one of those guys is 88.

And McCain's 71 year old spine is still taller & stiffer than waffle King, and McCain won't bow reflexively before people out to kill us.

Obama doesn't have a spine - he's held up by his puppet strings.

252 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:38:27pm

re: #231 buzzsawmonkey

She was just keepin' it surreal.

Whom is she trying to impress? The Maury Povich crowd?

253 nikis-knight  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:38:38pm

re: #210 Killgore Trout

how many samir khan's can there be in NC?

I have a feeling he'll be staying in his basement for awhile...

(And I'm sure his parents are "moderate muslims" who will voice disapproval but do nothing to stop him.)

254 Salem  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:39:06pm

re: #240 Nevergiveup

All past polling has consistently shown that those doing the polling over estimate Left wing support and under estimate conservative support.

True, but if Obama is polling way ahead in a few months, he may not win by as much as polling indicates, but he'll probably win, anyway. And I doubt McCain is done pissing off voters in his own party, yet. I question whether he even wants to be president. I think he's in it for revenge.

255 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:39:23pm

re: #232 Nevergiveup

What ever happened to the good old days, when a guy like this got taken out behind the building and the facts of life were splained to him?

Free speech means nothing if we support the right to express only the nice speech.

256 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:39:39pm
257 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:40:07pm

re: #233 shug

Barry...........you are the father

/maury

GMTA.

258 Genosaurer  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:40:14pm

re: #166 Killgore Trout

I think it was also a huge mistake to organize it along the lines of European style post-democracy; rotating presidencies, non-democratic voting systems, etc. Just the moral equivalency of dictators voting and the worlds worst human rights violators sitting on the human rights council is just absurd. It was a doomed project.

Well said. The UN has long gone the way of the League of Nations and we really should have withdrawn our participation (and financial support!) for it a long time ago.

I guess this is a start, and that's better than nothing.

259 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:40:15pm

And what does Hussein Obama, Overlord of the Universe and Bringer of Light, think of our disengagement? This must be very disturbing to His Majesty.

The constituency making-up the core of the UNHRC are, after all, the regimes he looks upon with great fondness.

260 JCM  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:40:30pm

re: #256 buzzsawmonkey

Can you patiently explain to this person that the only way abortion can be "made illegal" is if the Supreme Court reverses Roe--and that even then it will be left up to the states? The President does not rule by decree, and there will be no Constitutional amendment.

Doesn't anybody learn basic civics anymore?

Civics? HAHAHAAH!
Peace and Justice is more like it.

261 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:40:40pm

re: #255 MandyManners

Free speech means nothing if we support the right to express only the nice speech.

Isn't it my right to spain to him why I object?

262 JCM  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:41:10pm

re: #261 Nevergiveup

Isn't it my right to spain to him why I object?

Ah! Hah! Then it's hate speech!
/

263 Ciannaky  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:42:05pm

re: #243 WrathofG-d
Found this quote for ya:

McCain said, “I’d love to see a point where Roe vs. Wade is irrelevant, and could be repealed because abortion is no longer necessary. But certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe vs. Wade, which would then force women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations.”

Source: Ron Fournier, Associated Press Aug 24, 1999

264 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:42:23pm
265 Alouette  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:42:33pm

re: #243 WrathofG-d

That is what I am realizing. I think I'll try to avoid the issue. The person I am discussing it with hates Obama, but is afraid that McCain will make Abortion illegal and women will be "forced" to have dangerous back ally aboritions and die....DIE I tell you Death all over.........ahhhhhhhhh

You have been talking to my mother?

266 nikis-knight  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:42:35pm

re: #255 MandyManners

Free speech means nothing if we support the right to express only the nice speech.

not nice speech and inciting terrorism are not the same category. Deport the bastard if he hates us so much.

267 EC Marm  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:42:38pm

re: #245 WrathofG-d
You're free to do what you want, but in my experience, there is no need to waste your breath on people like that. They may pretend to be open minded to Republican candidates but they really are not.

268 wolfie  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:44:12pm

re: #243 WrathofG-d

If your friend insists on bringing up the issue, you can honestly say.........
........McCain is not one of those raving, preachy pro-lifers
........a lot of pro-lifers don't like him because he's too moderate about the issue
........his position is very much like Giuliani's stated one when he was a candidate:
The issue should be returned to the states and their legislatures.

You don't have to bring up his voting record!

You can also tell your friend that the elections ofReagan and GHWBush and GWBush didn't bring the awful scenario s/he envisions. Presidents really can't affect this much.

269 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:44:53pm

re: #244 nyc redneck

she is a classless, crude buffoon.

Better that than a vacant Stepford Wives clone!

/KKKostard

270 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:45:07pm

re: #261 Nevergiveup

Isn't it my right to spain to him why I object?

As long as you don't touch him.

271 yochanan  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:45:24pm

why did 30,000 Jews end up in Shanghai during ww2 because it was the only place you could go with out a visa or entry permit.

my son's MIL. was one of them.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

i think Santa Domingo was one of the few other places that were taking Jews during ww2

272 coquimbojoe  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:45:39pm

re: #175 Kenneth

I hope you're not expecting us to pass the hat around and hire Adriana Lima to date you for the evening...

so far we only have enough to get you a coffee date with Kevin Lima.

Please leave my wifey (we call her Limey-loo around the house) out of this thread. Oops, gotta go, she requires a loofa.....

BBL

273 JCM  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:45:51pm

re: #264 buzzsawmonkey

Without civics there is no "peace and justice." See my ##119 and 170 above.

I hear you. And with you.

274 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:46:11pm

re: #270 MandyManners

As long as you don't touch him.

I'm just playing with ya. Not that it doesn't infuriate me.

275 coquimbojoe[deleted]  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:47:17pm
276 The Other Les  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:47:56pm

re: #229 Alouette

You barbarian.

Ever heard of Carthage?

277 MandyManners  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:48:06pm

re: #274 Nevergiveup

I'm just playing with ya. Not that it doesn't infuriate me.

Pisses me off, too, that he spits on those who are defending our way of life.

278 lobo91  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:48:50pm

re: #248 Nevergiveup

Just a hunch, but Egypt might throw a hissy fit.

That's about all they'd do, realistically.

Egypt has grown quite fond of the $2 billion a year in payoff money foreign aid we give them in return for playing nice with Israel.

279 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:48:56pm
280 lobo91  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:51:23pm

re: #208 Seraphym

Hence the 24-hour notice. The 'palestinians' are either innocent and do not wish to murder all the evil joos, and so have got 24 hrs to leave (some unknown percentage, smaller than we'd think I bet), or they are supporters of the Hamas charter and are welcome to stay for the show (the rest).

Pretty much the strategy we used in Falujah.

It seemed to work there.

281 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:51:38pm

re: #250 Nevergiveup

that is the line now. I heard it on Air America (KTLK 1150 am) McCain = Death.

282 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:53:45pm
283 JCM  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:54:38pm

re: #275 coquimbojoe

I have heard about this a couple of time in the last couple of days and watched the video....I still am skeptical....

Unless his got a fusion reactor running, ain't going work.

284 lobo91  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:55:29pm

re: #210 Killgore Trout

Interesting quote from your link:

Mahmoud said the blood-drenched videos Khan shows of U.S. soldiers injured in combat “serve the purpose of making the reality of the Iraqi scene visible to people.”

“Those videos are not much different than videos involving American soldiers targeting Iraqi civilians,” he said. “You have to look at both sides here.”

Not much different, aside from the fact that there are no such videos.

American troops don't target civilians, asshat.

285 kulhwch  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:56:23pm

re: #37 Buck

But isn't that surrender?

Shouldn't we stay and fight?

We are still going to pay the bills. Who do we think we are teaching a lesson?

I am not so sure this is a good idea.

We're not retreating, we're making way to higher ground.  It does little good to continue an action that cannot be won but repositioning ourselves is a wise idea.  We'll just take our ball home and if any of the other countries want to play, they have to do so fairly or with someone else.

}:)     [And I loooove the idea of a UN WalMart SuperStore ... ]

286 J.S.  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:57:54pm

I'm proud that the United States has decided to abandon the farce called the UN "human rights" council. I wish other western nations had the same moral fortitude and would follow suit. (Maybe even have the whole UN shut down -- it'd be a global, worldwide improvement.)

287 bald headed geek  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:58:31pm

re: #6 antishock8

Agreed, but comment #4 is right. If Obama wins, we'll be kowtowing to the Islamofascists and tinpot dictators once again....

BHG

288 bald headed geek  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:59:05pm

re: #149 David IV of Georgia

Heh......

:-)

BHG

289 Gus Bailey  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 2:59:15pm

re: #282 buzzsawmonkey

Unlimited sex without consequence is a Basic Human Right!

No fair! You're just fishing for ratings...

/g

290 lobo91  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 3:00:10pm

re: #256 buzzsawmonkey

Can you patiently explain to this person that the only way abortion can be "made illegal" is if the Supreme Court reverses Roe--and that even then it will be left up to the states? The President does not rule by decree, and there will be no Constitutional amendment.

Doesn't anybody learn basic civics anymore?

Next, you're going to tell me that Obama won't be able to turn the knob on the desk in the Oval Office the day he takes office and lower gas prices.

/

291 nyc redneck  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 3:00:39pm

re: #249 buzzsawmonkey

And she wears the Perpetual Scowl of the Incompetent Supervisor™.

lol, precisely.
that's why i never did well w/ bosses.

292 lookingup  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 3:03:39pm

re: #225 JCM

KT you need to post this one....

littlegreenfootballs.com...] target="_blank">

this scam started in the US migrated to Australia and is back. Still a scam

293 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 3:05:06pm
294 abolitionist  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 3:09:07pm

re: #255 MandyManners

Free speech means nothing if we support the right to express only the nice speech.

Geert Wilders visits Copenhagen, talking about Fitna, ended thusly:

And in that spirit, let me end my speech by giving you my favorite quote from George Orwell, who said If Liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.

/ Kudos

295 michigan tom  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 3:22:41pm

This was a typical misguided attempt by liberals to make the worst offenders see the err of ther ways. Put the worst human rights violators is charge and they will change their. It failed as expected. But don't worry our next president "the Messiah" will come back begging for forgiveness of our sins.

296 michigan tom  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 3:29:10pm

This was a typical misguided attempt by liberals to make the worst offenders see the err of ther ways. Put the worst human rights violators is charge and they will change their WAYS. It failed as expected. But don't worry our next president "the Messiah" will come back begging for forgiveness of our sins.

my bad

297 sylvester  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 3:29:50pm

re: #136 Nevergiveup

I think he has to consult with Andrew Young first.

Andrew Young was asked to leave his UN post under Carter for talking with the Plalestinians!

298 lokinator  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 7:09:57pm

High time.

Might not be such a bad idea to withdraw from the U.N. entirely, given the organization seems to consistently operate counter to the interests of the United States, freedom, and humanity.

299 czekmark  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 7:39:17pm

The UN - the petty dictators sand box.

300 RoseSpice  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 9:45:49pm

Well, I could say this was a little late, but better late than never - but that ain't quite so.
This is an eternity late - and procrastination aided the mindless cruelty, and promoted it.
We should have gotten out long ago - or never got into it, better yet!
Bridgette Gabriel is right - America will be doing good if she recognizes the danger she puts herself in - in time - should there be any really left!

It would sure be nice to see America quit being suicidal and calling it "charitable".

301 mattm  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 9:46:07pm

Hey, hey, good by....

302 CapeCoddah  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 9:54:51pm

Time to get those squatters who demand we support them off of that parcel of prime Manhattan real estate. Maybe build a prison for corrupt UN officials and terrorists..?

303 RoseSpice  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 10:05:00pm

re: #102 Iron Fist

The Book of Obadiah is a pure encouragement. Gaza's time will certainly come. And they have worked hard for it, and are largely taking care of it themselves.

304 RoseSpice  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 10:25:43pm

re: #187 WrathofG-d
Not to let you change the subject, but your Dim friend should have a wonderful time with McCain ---
McCain - anti-Abortion: PRO-Roe V Wade - "settled law" at 30 yrs old - he doesn't care how bad an UnConstitutional RULING it is; PRO-Embryonic Stem Cell Research, in spite of the history of CANCER-only production, and the high rate of success of ADULT Stem Cell research; ANTI- FEDERAL CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT to BAN ABORTIONS - because he is PRO-FEDERALISM.... ad nauseum....
I won't respond to this off-subject post again - research is available for those who want it.

305 RoseSpice  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 10:37:31pm

re: #240 Nevergiveup

So all that is left for you to figure out is which Left-wing Liberal Socialist do you expect the Conservatives to vote for, of the two canidates, Obama or Mc Cain? The Inexperienced One? Or the one that gets the Liberal Agenda accomplished?

306 RoseSpice  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 10:41:45pm

re: #243 WrathofG-d

THAT is precisely what McCain has sworn NOT to do and is the STATED REASON he rejects trying to take down Roe V Wade - his fear they will turn to illegal procedures and die in the process.

Not that I care to promote the idea of DIMS voting in even greater numbers for McCain than they did to get him NOMINATED. I just haven't found anything he is likely to make them unhappy over!

307 RoseSpice  Fri, Jun 6, 2008 10:59:06pm

re: #287 bald headed geek

Like we won't if McCain wins!

Banning Waterboarding and closing GITMO, giving DEFENSE CONTRACTS to European Socialist companies, OPEN BORDERS SHAMNESTY by January 2009 HE SAID RECENTLY.

HAH! With McCain, you'll just get there a lot faster than Obama's little legs will carry us!

308 rorschach  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 2:55:12am

It's interesting how this thread about the moral bankruptcy of the U.N. has devolved into a McCain vs. obama discussion.

Bringing it back into focus, let me say, the U.N. is worthy of our opprobrium, not of our tax dollars.


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