Roots? ROOTS? Kos ascribes to the son the supposed sins of the father?

/feh

Somebody pointed out earlier that Obama's white ancestors also owned slaves. Under the bus?

Yes, yes, McCain is party to slavery. And I am the next pope.

re: #2 Killgore Trout

Somebody pointed out earlier that Obama's white ancestors also owned slaves. Under the bus?

How can you throw your ancestors under the bus?

Any mention of the KosKommies' roots in America's dumbing down?

Here we go.

So the question isn't: "Is Bush McCain worse than hitler?" It's: "How many times worse than hitler is Bush McCain?"

And the Obamanits will be pressed sorely to smear McCain, viciously and often.

We fought a war in this country to get rid of slavery. It's over. The debt has been paid in blood, a long time ago. It's OVER. To bring it up now in any contentious manner is an insult to the citizen per se.

And by the way, the military was one of the first areas of integration.

Obama’s slave-owning forebears revealed

THE maternal ancestors of Barack Obama, the Democrat who hopes to become America’s first black president, once owned slaves, genealogists have revealed.

As the son of a white woman from Kansas and a black man from Kenya, the background of Obama, who went to a school in Indonesia, was already considered exotic.

According to the genealogists, George Washington Overall, Obama’s great-great-great-great grandfather, owned two slaves, a 15-year-old girl and 25-year-old man, who were listed in the 1850 Kentucky census. Another maternal ancestor owned two older slaves.

Progressive!

The KKKos fu*ktards know no lows

re: #4 MandyManners

How can you throw your ancestors under the bus?

You're right Mandy- Under the stagecoach.

There is no smear too low for them.

Well they are limited by to the words in all human languages. Otherwise it would disprove Orwell's assertion (through the character O'Brien, IIRC) that if the word doesn't exist then the thought cannot be thought.

The most famous political, wealthy dynasty is of course the Kennedy's. It's funny how the Democrats claim to hate wealth and privilege but create a virtual political monarchy in the shape of Prince Jack Kennedy and his royal court. Reminds me of the British obsession with their own royal family.

re: #8 Ojoe

Plenty of blacks in the Union Navy.

I am absolutely offended at that SOB wearing a nice hat like that. That POS is opposed to everything that those of us who understand that kind of hat stand for. It's not just a fashion statement A-hole it's a culture you can never begin to hope to understand.

It's not an attack on John McCain because he bears no responsibility for the actions of his forefathers but it cannot denied that he benefited from them.

Right, so that means that all this talk about reparations and all the rest is just so much mumbo jumbo and jive talk that amounts to nothing more than a shakedown? /what was I thinking.

And of course it's a smear on McCain, because the very mention of it is meant to smear his character and all his relatives, regardless of whether it's based in reality or not.

Would it be unkind for me to mention that many of our Founding Fathers were slaveholders - including Washington, Jefferson, and Madison? Racist perhaps? But I digress.

The real subject here is that no subject, no matter how remote or germane to discussion is going to be attacked by Obamaniacs. This has nothing to do with McCain's character or fitness to lead the nation, unlike questions about Obama's relationship with Ayers, Doern, Pfleger, Rezko, Wright, and I'm sure I'm missing others since that list keeps growing.

Change you can believe in.

The good news is,is that if their stooping to stupidity like this,they really have nothing of any substance to say.(not that they ever do )

Make up stuff about a candidate that ignites fake racial fire. Criticize his face and teeth: The Protocols of The Daily Kos.

Well Hussain's ancestors brought the slaves to the coast to be sold......

... and both of Obama's parents were commies.

Hey, this "sins of the father" game is fun! Let's see what else we can find in Barack's family tree!

/idiots

Of course we must not mention that fact that it was Obama's party that has historically defended the institutions of chattel and collective slavery.

And even today he is advocating the subjugation and plunder of the productive for the benefit of the parasitical.

re: #9 Killgore Trout

You rock!

re: #17 lawhawk

Would it be unkind for me to mention that many of our Founding Fathers were slaveholders - including Washington, Jefferson, and Madison? Racist perhaps? But I digress.

That, sir, is no digression, it's exactly why Michelle Obama was never proud of her country, until now. Obviously no virtue in any of those dead white folks.

"This is not an attack on John McCain for he bears no responsibility for the actions of his forefathers but it cannot be denied that he has benefited from them."

Father Pfleger? Is that you?

re: #11 Bob in Breckenridge

You're right Mandy- Under the stagecoach.

LOL!

re: #20 Roentgen

Criticize his face and teeth: The Protocols of The Daily Kos.

Yes, they've become fond of mocking his torture by the Vietnamese by calling him McTeeth.

Fer Chrissake, fight the election on the issues.

Not on who owned and who sold slaves.

Sxhit!

re: #15 Mars Needs Neocons

I am absolutely offended at that SOB wearing a nice hat like that. That POS is opposed to everything that those of us who understand that kind of hat stand for. It's not just a fashion statement A-hole it's a culture you can never begin to hope to understand.

He's all hat and no cattle.

OTOH, McCain adopted a little brown baby. Any evidence of Obama reaching across the aisle like that?

re: #24 Sharmuta

Indeed I do. Not as much as I used to but my scales are getting crusty.

Obama in a cowboy hat doesn't look nearly as funny as Kerry in a bunnysuit or Dukakis in a tank helmet. Looks pretty sharp, actually.

re: #30 MandyManners

He's all hat and no cattle.

Obama wears the hat, Mars has the cow, it's all quite logical.

Thanks, Boss.

When can we stop crucifying the son for the sins of the father?
I thought we were beyond that (for the most part) as a rational and thinking civilization....

Who wants to make a bet, someone in that realm will make the moral equivalence argument as to the number of slaves Obama's ancestors had versus McCain's?

Well, I guess McCain won't be able to offer Barack that kitchen managers job in the White House now after he wins the general...

re: #29 WhiteRasta

Fer Chrissake, fight the election on the issues.

Not on who owned and who sold slaves.

Sxhit!

Ho-o-o-o-pe. Cha-a-a-a-ange.
[Repeat until hypnotized.]

These evil people do not have a political or policy argument that can be based in facts. Having developed all of their "thinking" based on feelings they are unable to see that what they writ is a simple smear.

They are beneath consideration.

+Photi

re: #31 Powderfinger

OTOH, McCain adopted a little brown baby. Any evidence of Obama reaching across the aisle like that?

Oh, thanks for the suggestion, let's wait for the headline on Monday.

The obamanations followers are starting this crap a little early aren't they?

re: #32 Killgore Trout

And so modest too. ;)

Obama should have to answer for the antisemitism and anti-Americanism of the Daily Kos. Kos is the internet equivalent of the Rev Wright.

re: #37 psyop

When can we stop crucifying the son for the sins of the father?
I thought we were beyond that (for the most part) as a rational and thinking civilization....

Progressives are pining for the Stone Age.

re: #38 formercorpsman

Friend, I would not bet you 2 Jamaican dollars on that......

These Jackasses expect the descendants of slave owners (of whom ALL of the slave-owners AND their slaves are dead, minor little detail for the KKKos fux) to pay reparations to the descendants of slaves, because the descendants of the slave owners have benefited from their status...Well, what about the descendants of SLAVES in the US? Have they not benefited from THEIR status? Had the war not been fought, THEY might well BE slaves today! So, I want reparations from THEM because I am not benefiting from their service as slaves today, so THEY owe ME money!

Make sense? About as much sense are them, wanting reparations from ME. I was born nearly 100 years after the Civil War. I'm not paying anyone a fucking penny for "reparations"! Besides, my relatives on both sides came to America AFTER the Civil War!

I'm not half the researcher others here are, but I'd really like to know the history of O's mother. I repeat there is NO WAY she could have the contacts she had amongst the radical left without being someone deeply involved. I really would like to know. Was she Weather Underground, communist activist, what the hell was she?

re: #28 Killgore Trout

You know Killgore, all reality is lost on them, when they complain about Gitmo, water-boarding, and Iraq, but still find room to the see the humor in something like that.

ROTFLMAO..................................... dKos, when you really really really hate to lose and have absolutely zero morals or ethics.

I almost pity Satan himself, cause he's going to be up to his harry armpits in koslings the day after judgment day.

re: #30 MandyManners

He's all hat and no cattle.

Or an addon.

You know what that white speck on top of chickenshit is?

It's chickenshit too.

re: #30 MandyManners

He's all hat and no cattle.

But plenty of the droppings.

re: #28 Killgore Trout

Criticize his face and teeth: The Protocols of The Daily Kos.

Yes, they've become fond of mocking his torture by the Vietnamese by calling him McTeeth.

They are such low, malicious, and evil people. I can only hope they suffer real torture as Sen McCain did, and see how they like it. Maybe it would knock sense into them, but somehow, I doubt it.

re: #35 itellu3times

Obama wears the hat, Mars has the cow, it's all quite logical.

Just trying to emulate the outrage of the left. We can "never understand their culture", needed to express that neither can they ever understand ours.

We have Obama, his policies, his gaffes, and the vast amount of folks under his bus to discuss.

All they got on McCain - his ancestors, his teeth.......

I like how this asshat, who lives on land formerly owned by American Indians and collects unemployment checks underwritten by me, thinks that it's somehow relevant that McCain might have benefitted from his slave-owning forefathers. An ancestor of mine owned slaves and was a confederate soldier. I can't point to any concrete benefit--I inherited no land--only a line of good fathers, which I intend to continue. Too bad this moron didn't have one, himself.

Okay. Let me pose a hypothetical question.

Suppose Adolf Hitler had a great-grandson who ran for public office here in the U.S. As a candidate the great-grandson ran on a platform of cutting taxes and regulations, strong national defense, and support for Israel. Are we supposed to throw the great-grandson under the bus because of his great-grandfather?

re: #47 WhiteRasta

You know it will happen.

Sometimes I wish I had the money to buy a secluded island.

It drives me crazy. They cheer wildly for Kerry when he salutes with militaristic overtone at the 2004 acceptance speech, and 4 years later, can be doing what Killgore has noted.

That drives me crazy.

this is game on,folks...these idiots will stoop to depths that at this point we, as rational thinking Americans ,can only imagine in the deepest,darkest parts of our minds to win this election....as time rolls on and they begin to understand that not all voting citizens buy the smoke and mirrors product they and their overmatched candidate are selling the tantrums and moonbattiness will increase exponentially...my ONLY fear about this election is that our guy continues to believe that you can fight these people and win without digging in and getting dirty and constantly having both barrels firing...

You know, part of my lineage includes "Native American" (most prefer the term 'indian'). My ancestors' tribe regularly raided other tribes (considering them LESS than human), raped their women and enslaved their men (those they didn't kill). If I go further back, some ancestor of mine probably bopped someone on the head with a rock for no good reason.

It starts to become ridiculous at some point... doesn't it?

re: #48 6pat6

These Jackasses expect the descendants of slave owners (of whom ALL of the slave-owners AND their slaves are dead, minor little detail for the KKKos fux) to pay reparations to the descendants of slaves, because the descendants of the slave owners have benefited from their status...Well, what about the descendants of SLAVES in the US? Have they not benefited from THEIR status? Had the war not been fought, THEY might well BE slaves today! So, I want reparations from THEM because I am not benefiting from their service as slaves today, so THEY owe ME money!

Make sense? About as much sense are them, wanting reparations from ME. I was born nearly 100 years after the Civil War. I'm not paying anyone a fucking penny for "reparations"! Besides, my relatives on both sides came to America AFTER the Civil War!

I am descended from people that were slaves in Denmark. Who is going to be responsible for my reparations? This asschipmunks need to understand there is virtually no one in the world who isn't descended from slaves.

re: #9 Killgore Trout

Thanks. I posted that link - over there.

Do some reading on the African continent.
Slavery was widely practiced by tribe upon tribe

re: #31 Powderfinger

OTOH, McCain adopted a little brown baby. Any evidence of Obama reaching across the aisle like that?

Didn't you mean to say that McCain was PUNISHED with a little brown baby?

re: #55 6pat6

They are such low, malicious, and evil people. I can only hope they suffer real torture as Sen McCain did, and see how they like it. Maybe it would knock sense into them, but somehow, I doubt it.

What they don't get is people like McCain suffered torture so others like them never will have to.

re: #48 6pat6

I sure wouldn't want to go live today in the Europe my ancestors came from, and I doubt that many Americans whose ancestors were slaves would like to change places with today's Africans either.

Nice places to visit though, perhaps...

B-HO is getting ready to rev up the bus and drive over everyone on the sidewalk!

re: #62 psyop
We're all rockists, if you judge our ancestors' actions.

re: #56 Mars Needs Neocons

Just trying to emulate the outrage of the left. We can "never understand their culture", needed to express that neither can they ever understand ours.

So what don't we understand in their culture, "clean and articulate", or "troofers"? Lord have mercy that I never understand their culture any better than I do already.

re: #36 Killgore Trout

Mazel tov! OT, but did you see this in the spinoffs last night?

re: #69 Mars Needs Neocons

Exactly! That, and occasions like today, the 64th anniversary of the D-Day invasion, they will never, ever get.

re: #59 The Other Les

Okay. Let me pose a hypothetical question.

Suppose Adolf Hitler had a great-grandson who ran for public office here in the U.S. As a candidate the great-grandson ran on a platform of cutting taxes and regulations, strong national defense, and support for Israel. Are we supposed to throw the great-grandson under the bus because of his great-grandfather?

I've never really accepted the sins of the father thing. Makes you think though.

re: #68 song_and_dance_man

One must be quick and otherwise.

I'm wondering what it would take to get another account deleted - just by posting factual information.

(I have a backup)

re: #66 Carolyn

It was practiced by native american tribes on each other as well.

Every civilization has had it in one form or another.

I literally can't stand those folks over there.

My most infamous ancestor was the first woman hanged in the Colonies...

Hope and change. That's the mantra we keep hearing from the junior Senator from Illinois who has been at his job for less time than I've been at mine, and I'm still getting the hang of it. Now, he wants to become President of the United States on a platform of hope and change.

What exactly does he want to change? Who said that people want change? People like what they know and what they're comfortable with. They don't like change. Change is upsetting. Change for change's sake isn't rational or even necessary. Especially when the kind of change that Obama looks to engage in is not in the nation's best interests.

He wants to impose the largest tax hikes in the nation's history - by letting the Bush tax cuts expire. The estate tax would come back with a vengeance - and make your relatives wish you died in 2010 instead of 2011.

He wants you to think that health care in the US sucks and that we need to nationalize health care, which confuses two separate and distinct issues - quality of care and access to affordable care. You can generally get one or the other, but not both - and you certainly can't get it from a government. Let the markets do their thing - watch Wal Mart and others provide basic health care services for cheap, and watch the Obama camp assault Wal Mart for not bending at the knee to unions.

He wants you to think that the war in Iraq was lost years ago and that we have to exit stage left as soon as possible, ignoring what will become of Iraq, our alliances and those who might have considered calling us friends and allies down the road. He does this in the name of improving our global image, but it really is opening the door to more attacks and undermining our national security.

He talks about cutting spending on national defense and unproven missile defense systems, even as we show that those very systems work better than we could have hoped against targets that we didn't even conceive.

That's the hope and change we keep hearing, and you know what, I'm sick of hearing about this hope and change, because it's not what any of us want or need.

We need someone who will keep us safe from terrorists by killing them before they carry out their deadly plans. We need someone who will protect our borders and who will enforce the laws already on the books. It's a tall task, but the junior senator from Illinois clearly isn't up to the task.

re: #76 Mars Needs Neocons

I've never really accepted the sins of the father thing. Makes you think though.

Oh, I forgot. Cut spending!

And anyway, I'm part "Native American" so y'all get to leave before I do...

As I stated on the other thread, given the math of generations (2 parents, 4 grandparents, 8 g-grandparents, etc.), a person born in 1940 would have 4088 direct ancestors born between 1607 (Jamestowne) and 1865 (end of slavery).

I'm guessing just about every US President was descended from at least one slave owner who owned slaves in America.

This is only being brought up because Obama is somewhat black and they want to paint the election as the former slave against the former slave owner. Facts that Obama's American ancestors owned slaves and his African ancestors were not American slaves (and more likely owned slaves than were slaves there) are irrelevent to the "narrative" they try to paint.

And considering the universal sin of slavery over the past 3 to 4 thousand years (and more!), we are all descended from slaves and slave owners.

Stop seeing ghosts of chains around your ankles and decide to be FREE, dammit.

OT: Bizarro cartoon about oil. Ouch.

re: #62 psyop

I have some too.

Smidgen, nonetheless.

It's just amazing how some folks like to re-write history.

re: #80 lawhawk

Bravo! Well said.

re: #79 goddessoftheclassroom

My most infamous ancestor was the first woman hanged in the Colonies...

Everyone has some bad baggage. I in fact have some Kennedy's in my genealogy.

re: #44 Sharmuta

I used to be conceited but now I'm perfect.
/

"It cannot be denied that he benefitted from them."

I assume they mean his ancestors benefitted.
The usual left-wing mantra. The wealth of this country was built on slavery! Right. That explains why the non-slave states outstripped the slavery states economically long before the Civil War.
Thomas Sowell has often written about how inefficient slavery is and how only a tiny minority can ever benefit from it economically. And he means a minority of the < 10% who ever owned a slave.
Free labor is an essential part of free markets.

re: #62 psyop

You know, part of my lineage includes "Native American" (most prefer the term 'indian'). My ancestors' tribe regularly raided other tribes (considering them LESS than human), raped their women and enslaved their men (those they didn't kill). If I go further back, some ancestor of mine probably bopped someone on the head with a rock for no good reason.

It starts to become ridiculous at some point... doesn't it?

Not to the "my victimization is worse than your victimization" crowd in the Democrat Party (which is now, apparently, a large majority).

re: #74 NY Nana

I've seen that before. I love the horn!

So does this mean that Michelle Obama has never been prouder that the black decedent of a slave owner has the chance to be president?

Btw, is this what they mean by change? We're going to fight the Civil War again 150 years later?

re: #63 Mars Needs Neocons

I am descended from people that were slaves in Denmark. Who is going to be responsible for my reparations? This asschipmunks need to understand there is virtually no one in the world who isn't descended from slaves.

My wife (and thereby my daughter) are also descendants of slaves in Denmark (alot more recently than blacks were enslaved).

I suppose we could complain, demand reparations, play the victim, ask for special treatment, lobby for affirmative action, and sit on our collective asses and blame everyone else for our shortcomings....

But I prefer to just get shit done on my terms.

re: #64 Noam Sayin'

Heh.

re: #72 jaunte

We're all rockists, if you judge our ancestors' actions.

I cannot deny my rockist heritage....

I am sooooo ashamed.

re: #9 Killgore Trout

Damn. I'm his cousin if he's descended from that Overall. Can I throw him under the bus?

Daily Kos should keep digging itself dumb self deeper into its own dung, utterly discrediting itself.

In the New World, this article will disappear.
/change
/things will change

re: #96 psyop

Just call it Geology.

re: #88 Mars Needs Neocons

Everyone has some bad baggage. I in fact have some Kennedy's in my genealogy.

ooooohhhhh, I wouldn't have said that.^{it's the punchline to a tent revival joke. No offense intended.}

re: #94 psyop

Oooh-RAH!

Yes! "Get stuff DONE, on my terms!"

/I second THAT, Psyop!

re: #90 wolfie

"It cannot be denied that he benefitted from them."

I assume they mean his ancestors benefitted.
The usual left-wing mantra. The wealth of this country was built on slavery! Right. That explains why the non-slave states outstripped the slavery states economically long before the Civil War.
Thomas Sowell has often written about how inefficient slavery is and how only a tiny minority can ever benefit from it economically. And he means a minority of the < 10% who ever owned a slave.
Free labor is an essential part of free markets.

To most of those willfully ignorant twits, Capitalism itself would not exist today were it not for the African slave trade.

I'm thinking that I should have said "infamous bad guy" in post number 59. the usual idiots will of course willfully misinterpret the question in their most undelightful way.

re: #93 itsspideyman

We're going to fight the Civil War again 150 years later?

OK, I was bored, anyway.

But I thought Obama's ancestors were thrown under the bus. Which means we are not allowed to talk about them? Is there a rule being broken here?

re: #97 David IV of Georgia

Damn. I'm his cousin if he's descended from that Overall. Can I throw him under the bus?

Man I am so sorry. Maybe Barak is some form of genetic freak and it isn't the ancestors fault. I have Kennedy's but I'm not a drunk or a arrogant SOB, so it could be ok.

re: #92 Killgore Trout

I've seen that before. I love the horn!

I was ROTFL! It is hilarious...

re: #80 lawhawk

Lawhawk, they will kill health care.

The public has no idea at all, what government intervention, a hyper-litigious society, and the lack of competative mal-practice coverage has done so far.

I live this every day.

The majority of Americans have no clue.

re: #80 lawhawk

Well done. One for "favorites," methinks.

re: #103 Spiny Norman

Their solution is to attempt to turn the most productive into tax slaves, and once again discover that it won't work.

re: #97 David IV of Georgia

Damn. I'm his cousin if he's descended from that Overall. Can I throw him under the bus?

You got a bus?

Damn, you really benefited from those slaves.

/

re: #107 Mars Needs Neocons

Man I am so sorry. Maybe Barak is some form of genetic freak and it isn't the ancestors fault. I have Kennedy's but I'm not a drunk or a arrogant SOB, so it could be ok.

You could be a mutant Kennedy.

Will any of you hold it against me if I admit I'm a distant relative of former House Speaker Jim Wright?

Of course, the Kansas Wrights haven't been on speaking terms with their Texas relations since the Civil War...

;^)

re: #110 Roentgen

Well done. One for "favorites," methinks.

Thanks for the reminder on that, newbie.

re: #111 jaunte

Their solution is to attempt to turn the most productive into tax slaves, and once again discover that it won't work.

Naturally, it will be the fault of the tax slaves.

re: #113 The Other Les

You could be a mutant evolved Kennedy.

Gotta keep up the site themes.

re: #113 The Other Les

You could be a mutant Kennedy.

I think Teddy managed to sew that one up a long time ago.

re: #103 Spiny Norman

To most of those willfully ignorant twits, Capitalism itself would not exist today were it not for the African slave trade.

Yup. Neo-Marxist claptrap!

To question The Obammessiahs lineage is to blaspheme. We all know that he is gods representative here on earth..... the Mahdi if you will.

re: #117 OldLineTexan

Gotta keep up the site themes.

There's enough branches between them and I that I think I'm safe.

re: #109 formercorpsman

Lawhawk, they will kill health care.

The public has no idea at all, what government intervention, a hyper-litigious society, and the lack of competative mal-practice coverage has done so far.

I live this every day.

The majority of Americans have no clue.

One bright side: We weren't all that too far away from having a street-walking malpractice ambulance-changing attorney in the White House. John Edwards.

Glenn has a good line (again)

YOU CAN SPOT A BUBBLE by irrational exuberance, and pronouncements that the usual rules no longer apply. With that in mind, note this:

Presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama dropped in on the Chicago 2016 Olympics rally on Friday and declared he is confident that he will be winding up his second term in the White House when Chicago hosts the 2016 Summer Olympic Games.

Such bravado about his own future is not typical of Obama, even in private.

Instapundit

re: #76 Mars Needs Neocons

I've never really accepted the sins of the father thing. Makes you think though.

And the rejection of the sins of the father view is one of the first principals of America.

Dedicated to the principal that all men are created equal.

Meaning that at birth, it is a clean slate.

You are what you make of your life. A son of a king is not valued any more than the son of a dung hauler. NO herititary titles. And since the honors of the father do not fall on the son, neither do his sins.

Bringing up ancestors is about as un-American as it gets.

I don't think Obama is Marxist because his father was, but because he wrote himself that he admires his father the Marxist. (And of course because he makes statements that copy Marx.)

re: #102 Karridine

Thanks!

:)

My great-great grandfather owned a slave according to the 1860 census.

His grave has been lost, so it is gonna be tough throwing him under the bus.

He left Ohio in a hurry; his brothers and nephews were almost all in the Union army.

Do I get any bus credits for them? Bus offset?

re: #107 Mars Needs Neocons

Man I am so sorry. Maybe Barak is some form of genetic freak and it isn't the ancestors fault. I have Kennedy's but I'm not a drunk or a arrogant SOB, so it could be ok.

I suddenly feel like calling myself Caesar Augustus, Gloria Dei and ruling the universe with hope for change for some reason....

His history is unimportant at this point. The present is. And for those interested, Operation Chaos continues:

[...] So as the commander-in-chief of US Operation Chaos, I would like to urge all of you who want to, to go to HillaryClinton.com and tell her what you think she ought to do.

Now, I want you to be polite. I don't want any snide comments, and I know that people have already done that, but I want those of you who are part of this audience to say whatever is in your heart to Mrs. Clinton about her effort to continue here, within the spirit of Operation Chaos, keeping chaos alive.

[Link: www.rushlimbaugh.com...]

All of us can be foot soldiers in this. For example, on YouTube, in the comments section of NYT, WaPo (etc), we can write messages of support and utmost sincere admiration for Hillary, honestly explaining why she's the best candidate for the Democrats, while simultaneously explaining the reasons why Obama is not fit to be Commander in Chief. Be sincere when you fawn over Hillary. You want people to know you are truly a diehard Hillary supporter. It may also help to do some gentle trashing of McCain at the same time to prove the point

There is a second part to Operation Choas. A lot of Hillary supporters are fuming at Obama and are contemplating voting for McCain. We can also help pour fuel on the flame by posing as Obama supporters, and write messages trashing Hillary and her supporters. If you go down this path, be rude, be arrogant, and be insulting. You want maximum backlash against Obama from Hillary supporters.

NOW IS THE BEST TIME TO SOW DISCORD if you do NOT want to see B. Hussein Osama (Islam's Manchurian Candidate) become President of the United States. The matter is urgent. Be wise!

re: #80 lawhawk

Hoo-ah! Great post, lawhawk!

re: #79 goddessoftheclassroom

My most infamous ancestor was the first woman hanged in the Colonies...

Holy cow!

re: #31 Powderfinger

OTOH, McCain adopted a little brown baby. Any evidence of Obama reaching across the aisle like that?

Michelle Obama is twisted. Thank God she would never adopt a white baby. I'm seriously concerned about WAB's two children though.

It is conceivable that Obama's Kenyan Muslim father was also involved in the slave trade by selling members of rival tribes to Arab slave traders...

"During this time, Arab slavers moved into the interior of Kenya with the primary goal of exploiting rivalries between local tribes. The Arabs encouraged the powerful groups to conquer their weaker neighbors and sell them into slavery. The slaves were then forced to the coast and on to Zanzibar to be traded. Both ivory and slaves were hugely profitable and Zanzibar grew rich on the trade. This pattern continued despite the public outrage in Europe demanding an end to all slave trade. Eventually, the British brought their forceful anti-slavery message directly to the Sultan as they established a consulate at his court. After years of pressure, the Sultan finally relented and agreed to ban slavery in 1847."

[Link: www.jambokenya.com...]

re: #123 razorbacker

Glenn has a good line (again)

Instapundit

This piggybacks with the talk about NPD earlier today. A solid symptom.

re: #109 formercorpsman

And no idea what spell-check could do for my post.

Hey KKKosTurds: fuh-kew. And have a nice day. Assholes.

re: #122 Roentgen

Boy, you don't know how close that hit to home this week.

re: #124 Silhouette

And the rejection of the sins of the father view is one of the first principals of America.

Dedicated to the principal that all men are created equal.

Meaning that at birth, it is a clean slate.

You are what you make of your life. A son of a king is not valued any more than the son of a dung hauler. NO herititary titles. And since the honors of the father do not fall on the son, neither do his sins.

Bringing up ancestors is about as un-American as it gets.

I don't think Obama is Marxist because his father was, but because he wrote himself that he admires his father the Marxist. (And of course because he makes statements that copy Marx.)

I agree fully.

And as I've said, I don't think he's a marxist because of his father either. I think he's a marxist because he was engineered to be.

re: #127 David IV of Georgia

I suddenly feel like calling myself Caesar Augustus, Gloria Dei and ruling the universe with hope for change for some reason....

LOL

re: #31 Powderfinger

OTOH, McCain adopted a little brown baby. Any evidence of Obama reaching across the aisle like that?

Is that the child with the cleft palate that his wife brought to the States in order to ensure adequate medical care?

Without consulting John beforehand.

She's an interesting lady who throws her money around in a good way.

Compare charitable contributions as a percentage of income between Obeymema and McCain.

re: #115 Noam Sayin'

I found it striking.

I had an (indentured servant) ancestor who fell off the Mayflower because he was drunk. He was sober enough to grab the line thrown to him though.

re: #132 Purple Prose

It is conceivable that Obama's Kenyan Muslim father was also involved in the slave trade by selling members of rival tribes to Arab slave traders...

Since many of Obama's Kenyan ancestors were Arabs, it's entirely possible that they were slave traders themselves.

re: #31 Powderfinger

OTOH, McCain adopted a little brown baby. Any evidence of Obama reaching across the aisle like that?

Yes.

/He adopted an old black racist.

re: #141 David IV of Georgia

I had an (indentured servant) ancestor who fell off the Mayflower because he was drunk. He was sober enough to grab the line thrown to him though.

I had several indentured servant ancestors in Jamestown in the 1630's and '40s. They were craftsmen paying for their passage, though.

The koskidz are our own neo-Nazis. I find it interesting that most Fascists and racist people r of the Left

re: #145 winston06

The koskidz are our own neo-Nazis. I find it interesting that most Fascists and racist people r of the Left

Or Collectivists of one species or another.

re: #141 David IV of Georgia

I had an (indentured servant) ancestor who fell off the Mayflower because he was drunk. He was sober enough to grab the line thrown to him though.

Even the Quakers had to keep liquor aboard. It was actually necessity, not a sinful luxury.

re: #2 Killgore Trout

Somebody pointed out earlier that Obama's white ancestors also owned slaves. Under the bus?

For quite some time now, I have wondered whether B-HO's family had any connectioin to the slave trade. By that I mean his muslim father. It is a fact that most of those sold into slavery were captured by a warring faction and sold as a profitable means of disposal.
It is a fact that Muslims still practice slavery in many parts of Africa.
This has spurred me to ask this question.
Did B-HOs fathers family have any connection to the slave trade?

re: #143 Bob in Breckenridge

Yes.

/He adopted an old black racist.

Had to ding ya, that was a good one.

After all the years of McCains posing for the liberal press to receive their kudos, it will be funny to see his look of puzzlement at their attacks on him in support of God, er, Messiah, er Obama. He is a useful old fool for them. After all, he said it himself, " I'm a LIBERAL conservative ". He is truely a stupid person.

While it may be sad that the USA had slavery, one should look at the history of the world in general, in fact the USA had one of the shortest periods of slavery in history, yet still to this day it seems that the entire world only believes the USA had slaves.
On another point, although John McCain may have been blessed enough to have been born into a good family and that in the past had slaves, it should be noted that during and after the Civil war the McCain plantation was completely destroyed and the family was destitute, so to use the claim that John McCain was able to go to school on the money made off the backs of slaves is ridicules, to say the least
and as far as it also helped get into him the Naval Academy, this is not possible because you are not asked to pay to go to the Naval academy, you are selected by a very strict policy based on your academics, character, physical fitness, and your social contributions to society, such as belonging to an organization that helps the poor and or provides any selfless service to your community and of course a recommendation from a Congressman.
My last point is that according to a long study done by National Geographic on the history of Slavery, it was not 35% of the white people that owned slaves, but 7% of the white population owned slaves and 4% of the black population owned slaves, and not the 35% the KOS article claims. The reason that more people did not own slaves was for economic reasons, owning slaves was a large investment and the average person could not afford to own a slave, so it's time we set history straight and not live for generations with the guilt of what dead people that lived long ago, did.

Brace yourself for Obama's 40 acres and a mule initiative.

re: #152 kyleb

Brace yourself for Obama's 40 acres and a mule initiative.

Hybrid mules?

re: #153 FishFearMe

Hybrid mules?

In other news, Al Gore has announced that mule emissions are up by 30% and have contributed highly to Warm Global Climate Change.

THE maternal ancestors of Barack Obama, the Democrat who hopes to become America’s first black president, once owned slaves, genealogists have revealed.

Ironically, that is (may be) the same as his cousin Dick Cheney.

Nonetheless, on his Paternal side, there is no evidence, ever, of a muslim ever having had a slave (do not you pay attention to what those holy books have to say...).

So he has that going for him.

re: #151 lowglow

I am amazed that almost entirely forgotten today is the feeling of brotherhood and recognition of worth that went out from whites to blacks, strongly enough to motivate some whites to take up arms and die to free their black brothers.

Now we're cursed instead.

Anyone know if Obama's African ancestors were Muslim slave traders?

re: #8 Ojoe

We fought a war in this country to get rid of slavery. It's over.
The debt has been paid in blood, a long time ago.

"But if God wills that [the war] continue, until all the wealth piled up by the bondmans 250 years of unrequited toil is sunk; or until every drop of blood drawn with the lash, is paid by one drawn with the sword, so as was said 3000 years ago may be said again today: "the judgments of the Lord are true and rightous altogether."' A. Lincoln.

This is one of the dirty little secrets of America.

My ancestors owned slaves in Independence County, Arkansas. My paternal grandmother's brother, the family genealogist, tracked down and had himself photographed with a descendant of one of our slaves.

re: #158 Blastforth

Lincoln's 2nd inagural adress. He has less than a month to live then, and the war is not yet totally over.

O my country why are some of your citizens so ignorant of what you are here for?

Good Night All.

But the Democrat Party is a Big Tent. /

ABC INTERVIEWER: You have met [Obama], what do you make of the man and what is your perspective at this moment in history, really?

RUDD: Well I had, when I was in the United States, I had a long conversation with him on the telephone, because he was in a different part of America. I had met Senator Clinton face to face and Senator McCain face to face. Both Senator Obama and Senator Clinton are first class human beings.

But not Senator McCain, evidently. Rudd goes on to note Obama’s insight into Australia:

RUDD: Senator Obama, because part of his upbringing was in this part of the world and he used to come in and out of Sydney at the time when his family was living in Indonesia, has many fond and positive memories of Australia ... I think he has an enormous insight in terms of the domestic challenges of this nation. He understands our part of the world.

Obama, born in 1961, lived in Indonesia from 1967 to 1971. Not in a car, though, so what would he know?

[Link: blogs.news.com.au...]

"This is not an attack on John McCain for he bears no responsibility for the actions of his forefathers but it cannot be denied that he has benefited from them."

Someone needs to point out that the confederacy lost the war, and many of those rich, white, slave holders lost everything. So unless if they have facts that McCain's family retained their wealth that they made by owning slaves they need to be careful about such slader.

Reading the Kos diarist aaraujo’ds diary and comments, I notice that the Kos posters back aaraujo into an intellectual corner and spank him good.

Start with aaraujos’s assertion at 06:15:54PM PDT that:

“The genesis of the modern McCain legacy was from the profits of plantation slavery. That money sent McCain to the University of Mississippi and onto the Naval Academy.”

The poster Christopher Day at 07:06:45PM PDT provides disputing circumstantial evidence.

aaraujo’s no-text response is “fair enough”. This is essentially an admission by aaraujo that his claim was untrue, and he knew it at the time he wrote it.

Back to the original sub-thread, a post or two later, at 06:24:01 aaraujo responds:

“But can you say that your station in life, your step in the socio-economic ladder of America had direct benefit from ancestors past? .”
“My ancestors were smugglers, whalers, pirates and even African slavers but it has had minimal direct benefit to me today. .”

I think aaraujo means “. . . had no direct benefit from ancestors . . .”.

Okay, what human society does not try to help its children?

Two posts later:

“Yes very minimal because by the time of my mother's birth, her village was nearly wiped out by famine.
Cannot get worse than that.”

So, A., did George Bush cause the famine in you mother’s village? No. Who? Any American? No. Who?

Actually, being physically tortured the way Senator McCain was is worse; he had little warning of being shot down (as opposed to a village watching their food stocks dwindle, realizing that rain was late, . . .) and was unable to leave (i.e. go search for food elsewhere). Possibly a small difference, but a difference nontheless.

Perhaps the next Kos diary will agree that, following Kos logic, McCain is absolved.

aarujo ends this particular line of rigorous intellectual debate with:

“If John McCain were not an admiral's son, he would have never been that pilot. ”
If he was not famous, he may have never been that POW.
Things could have gone differently.

Perhaps but John McCain could hav still been shot down . . . too intellectually stupid to debate further. Even 4th graders could respond better.

In response to FishOutOfWater’s 06:34:42 post:

“Obama's African ancestry was Kenyan. Kenyans weren't subject to American slavery. American slaves came from west Africa, not east Africa.”

aaraujo responds:

“Who is to say the ebb and flow of history and humanity has moved people from one side of the globe to another and from master to slave and back and forth numerous times.”

Okay. All of America and Europe is absolved.

At 07:12:01, aaraujo comments:
“East Africans were enslaved and shipped East
The Arab Slave trade of Africa was just as big as the trans Atlantic slave trade”

and is then schooled by pletzs at 07:29:47 :

“Uh, You're Forgetting The African slave trade. Both the Arab and Atlantic slavers tapped into an already existing African slave economy. Most African shipped to the Americas were captured by other Africans, not Europeans. The history is not, shall we say, black and white. ”

The annoying use of “can you say”, or some variation, the faulty logic, and the spotty, light and usually wrong recollection of history screams Marxist, and not even a well-educated one.

Tell me Kos didn't ask Hugo Chavez to post a guest diary.

As someone may have mentioned, Senator Obama's ancestors - a number of them - owned slaves. On the other hand, none of his family WERE slaves.

And Senator Obama acknowledged this way last year and spoke about it as part of our history in the USA and that we must accept it and go on. He pretty much put paid the the subject, as far as I am concerned. I very much doubt he would use it as a cudgel to beat up Senator McCain with even if he didn't have slaveholding ancestors. He's more focused on his opponent than on people who lived many long years ago.

Now Kos, on the other hand - he has always been a completely dishonorable person, imho, but he is starting to really roll in the muck. Even the Kossites are shocked these last few days.

re: #164 deacon

Someone needs to point out that the confederacy lost the war, and many of those rich, white, slave holders lost everything. So unless if they have facts that McCain's family retained their wealth that they made by owning slaves they need to be careful about such slader.

Please see my #159. We weren't rich (I think a dozen slaves in the 1860 census), but we lost everything, although there is a family legend that one of our slaves stayed on to nurse one of me ancestors. That seems doubtful.

I have a Portuguese Friar up my family tree though my country of heritage was colonized by the Spaniards. Does that make me exempt?

God knows what Obama's Kenyan ancestors did.

Or ate.

Best stick with the fact that Barry is a lightweight, inexperienced, uninformed, lying, delusional, unintelligent, crypto-marxist, pandering jackass with no judgment, especially when it comes to the corrupt and vicious characters he surrounds himself with.

He is sufficient unto himself a schmuck.

re: #143 Bob in Breckenridge

Yes.

/He adopted an old black racist.

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re: #167 mikeysdca

Please see my #159. We weren't rich (I think a dozen slaves in the 1860 census), but we lost everything, although there is a family legend that one of our slaves stayed on to nurse one of me ancestors. That seems doubtful.

I have read stories where freed slaves stayed on after the war. I think it was something along the lines of the former slaves had nothing, and did not know where to go, and their former owners also had nothing, being reduced to ruin. So it was sort of an odd relationship that many formed to help each other.

re: #171 deacon

As I said, I doubt the truth of the story. If it is true, I think your analysis makes great sense. I have wondered why the freedmen left their homes, rather than stay and work the land with a decent arrangement with the landowners.

Certainly, in the atmosphere of the time, the landowners were not necessarily inclined to engage in decent arrangements. Share-cropping emerged as a ghastly system in which Blacks and lower-class Whites were peons. So far as I am aware, my family had nothing to do with such practices.

Way to quote an uncited wikipedia entry idiots. By the way someone changed the entry.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
His grandfather, William Alexander McCain (b. North Carolina, 1812 – d. 1863), Confederate States Army, owned a 2,000-acre (8.1 km²) plantation in Carroll County, Mississippi but payed the workers as free men. He was married in 1840 to Mary Louisa McAllister (b. Alabama, 1812 – d. 1882).

re: #13 Globular Cluster

It's funny how the Democrats claim to hate wealth and privilege

Except they don't (hate wealth and privilege). The Democrats are massively rich compared to Republicans. George Soros, John Kerry, Bill Gates, Mark Cuban, Warren Buffet, Larry Ellison. Even Hillary Clinton has a fortune north of $100 million. Know many Republicans with wealth like that? The Democrat's whole "party of the people" schtick is a sham.

This is a discussion which profits us nothing. BFD.

What about Obama's ancestors on his father side? They are African Muslims and African Muslims were heavily involved in catching and selling black African slaves to the highest bidder. African Muslims are still the main slave owners in today world.

I'm not American, but I'm sick and tired of the crap. White Americans paid heavily by their blood to free black slaves. Excuse my ignorance, but who else paid so dear a price to free black slaves?

"I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood." - MLK

Ah, the slavery cannard.

Well, when I look around the local area here, I take note of the fact that I'm living less than 10 miles away from the place that the VERY FIRST African was placed into the status of being a slave (as in owned by another human being) - seems that it was the ruling of a local magistrate to settle a case of debt. The defendant was (happened to be) African.

Oh, by the way. . . so was the plaintiff. He was one of the first group of Africans brought to Jamestown by a Dutch trader, and 'sold' to the colonists within the framework they were using at the time - i.e. as seven year indentured servants - and it was actually several years AFTER that period, when he'd been free, and himself become a fairly prosperous land owner, that the issue came up. By the time of his death, he was one of the largest slave holders in the area.

But, of course, that's not too convenient for the narrative, so....

Barry already threw his grandmother under the bus; it was a clairvoyant two'fer for him.

That Kos post CANNOT be real!

Another case of moonbat cranial-rectal inversion syndrome.

re: #164 deacon

Someone needs to point out that the confederacy lost the war, and many of those rich, white, slave holders lost everything. So unless if they have facts that McCain's family retained their wealth that they made by owning slaves they need to be careful about such slader.

Not just rich white slave owners but the entire south. There were 300,000 casualties in the south, 1/3 of those in Mississippi alone. Mississippi went from the 5th richest state to the poorest, and remains that way to this day. If we're supposed to pay for our sins, the south has paid them for generations.

So how much will the stain haunt us? Will it ever go away or will we continue to separate our country? Does Obama have the same stain? What makes him, a child of a slaver, different from McCain? DailyKos, are you a uniter or a divider?

Typical for me....the thread is dead....I'm hours late...

but as I read through, I was waiting for someone to post
what Obama would surely say when presented with the information about his ancestry:

"Those are NOT the great-great-great grandparents that I knew!"

HOPE - CHANGE - MAMLUK

I'm sure if you trace the Obamanation's muslim forbears you would find slavery there as well. Indeed, how about this editorial, Obama's African family practiced and still practices Female Genital Mutilation. Obamanation yet to condemn that practice.

re: #84 itellu3times

From Seattle, why am I not surprised? I gotta love it. One of my sons has a relationship with this pro-union moonbat. So she goes out and buys a car. Does she by a union made car in the US? You gotta be kidding, she buys a Japanese car made in Japan by non-union labor. Same with the uber-Democrats across my street. Their kid just bought a new truck. US union made? Not on your life. Bah.

I'm gonna wait for the McCain's father or grandfather supported the Nazi's flag. You know they are gonna bring it up some how.

re: #30 MandyManners

He's all hat and no cattle.

Sheep maybe?

re: #187 CEQAttorney

His father and paternal grandfather both became four-star United States Navy admirals.

It looks like Obama might not be black enough. All the standard race baiting techniques don't seem to work. haaaahahahahahah

Ridiculous. What is the claim here? I'm sure you can dig up some horrific horrible offense for anyone if you go back far enough in time. McCain's ancestors once had slaves. Obama's white ancestors had slaves. I wonder if his black ancestors in Kenya traded slaves? Kenya was an active trading center for slaves sold by African chiefs to Arab traders until those evil colonialist British put an end to it.

All of my ancestors were northerners who didn't own slaves or came to this country after slavery had been abolished. Does that make me a better person? Gimme a break. That post is a slimey attempt at a smear.

re: #189 Dustyvet

[Link: www.arlingtoncemetery.net...]

re: #192 Dustyvet

[Link: www.arlingtoncemetery.net...]

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Some of my Italian ancestors were mobsters -- guess that shows that I still harbor Tony Soprano tendencies?

Daily Kos is a moral cesspool -- they just keep stooping lower, and lower, and lower.

As others have said one way or another - the probability of all branches of Obama's ancestors being involved in the slave trade is fairly high:
His Arab ancestors could have been involved in the capture and sale of slaves; his African ancestors possibly helped the Arabs &/or were sold into slavery; his white ancestors bought slaves. The guy has the whole market covered.

BTW, it was not that uncommon for freed Southern slaves to buy and own slaves. Not only wealthy -- or white --- folks relied upon slavery. The whole of Southern (and African and Arab) economy - in fact, much of the world's economy - was dependent upon slavery.

The main thing is that the abolition of slavery was made possible by a Christian West.

The Kenyan side is crawling with slavers, too,no doubt. Slavers, slaves, and slaveholders. All Africa was awash in slavery for millenia, but especially after the Arab/muslim conquests in 700+ A.D.
After pretty much abolishment of slavery in Chritendom, during the Age of Discovery, the Europeans tapped into that continuing African trade, to their everlasting shame.

Slavery continues today in Africa.

How much do y'all want to bet that Obama's paternal ancestors in Kenya owned and sold slaves. Arab slaving was rampant in east africa and the muslim identity of Obama's tribe implicates the possibility...

re: #197 minuteman

How much do y'all want to bet that Obama's paternal ancestors in Kenya owned and sold slaves. Arab slaving was rampant in east africa and the muslim identity of Obama's tribe implicates the possibility...

Pretty good bet. At least they had servants, low paid, possibily poorer relatives doing the grunt work (very typical for a housegirl to be a relative, working at a young age full time, and NO chance for schooling). Guaranteed his Indonesian step father ALSO employed menials for the household. Which means Barack grew up in households that had servants. Kinda wrecks that downtrodden image he's trying to create.

Had an ancestor who served in the Union Army and during a brief leave just after being discharged was shanghied right after the Civil War, and spent about 8 years as a slave crew member on ships. Got away only by shipwreck.
Are there reparations for anyone ELSE who was enslaved AFTER the Emancipation Proclamation? Privateers did a big business in kidnapping men out of the sea coast bars. Those slaves don't count? Why not? Kidnapping and slavery were both high crimes at that time.
Slavery is as old as the hills, regrettably, but never has anyone who didn't suffer it get to be paid for the suffering of someone else who did. It's pathetic. Grubbing after money that one didn't earn and doesn't deserve.

How about we seek a compromise - agree on reparations for both slavery and Reconstruction?

re: #146 Spiny Norman

Or Collectivists of one species or another.

Racists are collectivists by definition. (Not all collectivists are racists, of course.)

re: #186 Shr_Nfr

From Seattle, why am I not surprised? I gotta love it. One of my sons has a relationship with this pro-union moonbat. So she goes out and buys a car. Does she by a union made car in the US? You gotta be kidding, she buys a Japanese car made in Japan by non-union labor. Same with the uber-Democrats across my street. Their kid just bought a new truck. US union made? Not on your life. Bah.

Our daughter goes on and on about how much the kids in her class, and their parents, "care for the environment". At the same time, she is embarrassed to be brought to school in our dowdy (but highly fuel-efficient) little Japanese sedan, while the abovementioned kids are brought in big SUVs.

Needless to say, all these hypocrite New Class bobos will vote for Snobama. The #1 reason being: he's one of them, of "the anointed".

Speaking of which, I spent much of the Sabbath reading an incredible book by Thomas Sowell: "Vision of the Anointed: Self-congratulation as a basis for social policy." A limited preview is available here:

[Link: books.google.com...]

If only I had the time to come out of blogging retirement...