It was only a matter of time....

Well, the Reuters males already had their dicks cut off. ....so?

re: #2 pat

Well, the Reuters males already had their dicks cut off. ....so?

Oh, no, you didn't!

Asshole from Ethiopia did this in America a couple years ago. Got about 7 years. Not enough.

Rite of passage for a five year old? WTF!
What kind of a diseased mind can create that thought?
John Archer, you are lower than pondscum.

The mother is pregnant with a seventh child and was deemed unfit to be held in jail.

I hope she's deemed unfit to keep this child if it's a girl.

I can't think of a more vile treatment to subject girls to. It's disgusting, and the most misogynistic practice ever conceived of by humans.

"The mother is pregnant with a seventh child and was deemed unfit to be held in jail."

She should be deemed unfit to be a parent.

re: #3 MandyManners

Oh, no, you didn't!

So....they meekly bow to their new Masters. But you knew that.

Last sentence of the story is now edited correctly-

"The mother is pregnant with a seventh child and was deemed unfit to be held in jail a loving parent.

did I miss something? Where did Reuters indicate that or infer that it was a rite of passage?

What will the reaction be when this comes the the U.S.?

Will we sit back and let our nations children be mutilated by their parents?

What would you do if you found out your neighbor did this to his 12 year old daughter? This is some sick shit. If you don't know what it entails, do a little research and ask yourself if this is okay in America....

Their youngest, age three, has not been subjected to the procedure

I guess her genitals aren't mature enough to be mutilated yet.

SICK, SICK practice.

re: #12 psyop

What will the reaction be when this comes the the U.S.?

Don't kid yourself- it's already here.

Cut off his dick.

re: #11 shoeless

Second sentence. It's just a cultural thing, and who is Reuters to judge.
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And where was the vaunted Scandinavian welfare state (that the Donks want to replicate here) when the previous mutilations were happening?

When They Circumcised Boys, They Only Took Tips
"Norway Couple Charged for Circumcising Girls"--headline, Reuters, June 6

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

re: #11 shoeless

Second paragraph...

re: #11 shoeless

did I miss something? Where did Reuters indicate that or infer that it was a rite of passage?

IN THE FREAKING ARTICLE FER CRISSAKES!

re: #11 shoeless

The practice, also known as female circumcision, is outlawed in Norway and arouses horror among many people in the West but is a rite of passage for young women in many countries, predominantly in Africa.

re: #11 shoeless

did I miss something? Where did Reuters indicate that or infer that it was a rite of passage?

2nd paragraph

re: #13 US Navy Wife

I guess her genitals aren't mature enough to be mutilated yet.

SICK, SICK practice SAVAGES.

Fixed another one.

/I need a raise!

So much for the enlightened ways of Europe...was this what Barack was talking about when he said I couldn't drive my SUV, couldn't eat bratwurst and keep my house at 72 degrees?

re: #11 shoeless

did I miss something? Where did Reuters indicate that or infer that it was a rite of passage?

They didn't, Charles was merely making a sarcastic observation. Or did you know that already?

re: #16 jaunte

I think that stating that Reuters endorses it a a Rite of Passage is a bit of a stretch...

re: #23 Bob in Breckenridge

Here's a quarter.

"WHAT? Cruelty? You think ME using THIS RAZORBLADE is CRUELTY? ... YOU are the ignorant one! Off with you, leave our family to our personal business, ignore her screams!"

re: #12 psyop

What will the reaction be when this comes the the U.S.?

Will we sit back and let our nations children be mutilated by their parents?

What would you do if you found out your neighbor did this to his 12 year old daughter? This is some sick shit. If you don't know what it entails, do a little research and ask yourself if this is okay in America....

Call the police or county sheriff's office.

re: #12 psyop

What will the reaction be when this comes the the U.S.?

Will we sit back and let our nations children be mutilated by their parents?

What would you do if you found out your neighbor did this to his 12 year old daughter? This is some sick shit. If you don't know what it entails, do a little research and ask yourself if this is okay in America....

See my post above. And there is fear that FGM and arranged marriages are practiced in Michigan, even tho the Shiite normally do not engage in FGM. Why? Because Muslims all over the world seem determined to force host countries in to abandoning civilized law.

re: #16 jaunte

Second sentence. It's just a cultural thing, and who is Reuters to judge.
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Oops, missed the actual quote the first time through.

re: #14 Sharmuta

Don't kid yourself- it's already here.

I would not be surprised at all. There are already honor killing and such. It makes me sad to think that the general public is either wholly uniformed or criminally apathetic.

If I walked by someones house, and I saw that through the window, I would call the police for child abuse, torture, sexual abuse.... the list goes on...

Despicable.... I look at my own daughter and cannot even imagine the vile state of mind you must posses to think that this kind of thing is okay.

re: #27 US Navy Wife

Here's a quarter.

Excellent! Doubled my salary! Thanks!

re: #26 shoeless

I think that stating that Reuters endorses it a a Rite of Passage is a bit of a stretch...

2nd paragraph...READ IT

re: #11 shoeless

did I miss something? Where did Reuters indicate that or infer that it was a rite of passage?

Here:

The practice, also known as female circumcision, is outlawed in Norway and arouses horror among many people in the West but is a rite of passage for young women in many countries, predominantly in Africa.

RIF

FGM is the most misogynistic practice in the world. You have to truly hate women to want to deny them pleasure. And to gain your own pleasure while denying your partner is about as selfish as it can get. It's hateful, deprived, cruel... truly sick on all counts.

re: #26 shoeless

I think Reuters deserves criticism for remaining completely neutral in the face of an abominable act, and even offering the excuse, to those looking for one, that it's accepted cultural practice in some places.

subjecting five of their six daughters to genital mutilation, officials said on Friday.

How would the Lame Stream Media handle it if these terrible things had been committed by someone who had attributes that might be handily classified as WASP?

re: #34 wolfie

I did read it, and I don't think that Reuters is stating it as an opinion... they didn't explicitly condemn it, which they should have... but they didn't endorse it.

re: #36 Sharmuta

FGM is the most misogynistic practice in the world. You have to truly hate women to want to deny them pleasure. And to gain your own pleasure while denying your partner is about as selfish as it can get. It's hateful, deprived, cruel... truly sick on all counts.

That's Islam in a nutshell.

re: #36 Sharmuta

FGM is the most misogynistic practice in the world. You have to truly hate women to want to deny them pleasure. And to gain your own pleasure while denying your partner is about as selfish as it can get. It's hateful, deprived, cruel... truly sick on all counts.

wish I coulda dinged ya all night long for that one Shar...

Mothers are the problem. Beaten wimps, that have no sense. This must stop with mom. But she has never known sex to be anything but torture.

Let's try some examples to illustrate the point...pay attention:

In America, we seize 400 kids when we have reason to believe that perhaps less than 7 underage girls are having sex with men in a community, as well we should...but we took all the kids just to be sure/safe.

In Norway, they allow people to chop up women and young girls like they are livestock and can't bring their neutered, cowardly sorry selves to admit that what is going on is wrong.

Sure, let's all live the the Norwegians.

re: #37 jaunte

I won't disagree with that.

Now Reuters, isn't using the term "mutilation" a tad judgmental?

/switching moral relativism to "ludicrous" mode

Reuters...you had me at 'but'. Worthless.

re: #45 Dar ul Harb

That's a good point too... someone endorsing the practice would hardly call it mutilation...

re: #39 shoeless

I did read it, and I don't think that Reuters is stating it as an opinion... they didn't explicitly condemn it, which they should have... but they didn't endorse it.

And I didn't say they endorsed it. For Pete's sake.

So is it OUTLAWED in Norway, or is it *wink wink* outlawed in Norway?

If one stops to think of the horrors going on right this minute in every nation, every community, it is devastating. There are a lot of sick bastards out there who rape, torture, mutilate, and kill children on a daily basis. Either for kicks or religion. Whenever I hear something like this, it makes me think of the kids out there now, that none of us can get to to save, but will hear about on the news. Its about the most depressing and horrific thing you can realize.
I know we don't promote violence here, (and I can fantasize quietly about a TRULY just punishment) but, I do think the death penalty should be meted out to all who are guilty of things like this, with children.

Zed's home.

[Link: www.daybydaycartoon.com...]

re: #11 shoeless

did I miss something? Where did Reuters indicate that or infer that it was a rite of passage?

Yes, you missed something. For example, the words in the article.

So, would Barack Obama meet without precondition with these sick bastards?

Anyone want to put odds on that?

Europe sure does assimilation well!

Evil is not so bad, you just need to give it a chance.

re: #36 Sharmuta

FGM is the most misogynistic practice in the world. You have to truly hate women to want to deny them pleasure. And to gain your own pleasure while denying your partner is about as selfish as it can get. It's hateful, deprived, cruel... truly sick on all counts.

Sharmuta, as usual, is right. There is no reasonable social, religious, or cultural excuse for this cruelty.

re: #39 shoeless

Shoeless, that 'endorsement' is implicit when Reuters states, without clarification or condemnation, "...but is a rite of passage for young women in many countries, predominantly in Africa..." without qualifying that it SOME FEW women, often FORCIBLY CAUGHT and CUT...

As is, the average reader accepts it as some kind of normative, normal, usual ordinary circumcision-rite-of-passage in Africa... hence the implicit endorsement.

re: #48 Charles

Yikes! drew the wrath of the big man... :) Didn't mean to insult... just maybe didn't pick up on the sarcasm...

re: #45 Dar ul Harb

Now Reuters, isn't using the term "mutilation" a tad judgmental?

/switching moral relativism to "ludicrous" mode

Yes. Glad to see they used that word.
I don't like the term "female circumcison," which implies that it's no different from male circumcision.

re: #53 brainwizard73

So, would Barack Obama meet without precondition with these sick bastards?

Anyone want to put odds on that?

Oh, oh, I will. I'll bet he'll meet them, preconditions aside.

/What do I win?

re: #42 pat

Mothers are the problem. Beaten wimps, that have no sense. This must stop with mom. But she has never known sex to be anything but torture.

The Koran is the problem. Mix that with a culture embedded of patriarchal savagery that forces it upon the women. I will give MANY women a pass in that messed up system. Those 'men'? are in for one hell of a judgement.

re: #7 Sharmuta

Sharmuta, actually in some African countries, it is the female elders who actually promote the practice, and do the job.

But we can agree without any doubt whatsoever.

This is absolutely barbaric. It serves absolutely no purpose.

Barbaric to the core.

re: #58 shoeless

Yikes! drew the wrath of the big man... :) Didn't mean to insult... just maybe didn't pick up on the sarcasm...

Use caution, young padawan. Sarcasm is a way of life around here at times.

re: #60 Honorary Yooper

Did you read my #63 on the previous thread?

re: #43 brainwizard73

Let's try some examples to illustrate the point...pay attention:

In America, we seize 400 kids when we have reason to believe that perhaps less than 7 underage girls are having sex with men in a community, as well we should...but we took all the kids just to be sure/safe.

In Norway, they allow people to chop up women and young girls like they are livestock and can't bring their neutered, cowardly sorry selves to admit that what is going on is wrong.

Sure, let's all live the the Norwegians.

That is only because the FLDS nominally resembles christianity. Of course society must be protected from all the horrible christians (/sarc). If someone were to do that to muslims, jews, sihks, or bhuddists, it would be considered a hate crime.

Sad, but true.

re: #64 Bob in Breckenridge

Did you read my #63 on the previous thread?

Yes, and I think I'll try for tickets. :-)

[Link: www.reproductiverights.org...]

It could be worse, though...

[Link: article.nationalreview.com...]

re: #42 pat

Mothers are the problem. Beaten wimps, that have no sense. This must stop with mom. But she has never known sex to be anything but torture.

And is pregnant with the 7th child. beyond horrifying

re: #67 MandyManners

[Link:

BTW, the worst offenders are from black Muslim countries and Egypt. In Egypt it was recently re-legalized after 1000 years or so. Egypt also made it illegal to report on a neighbor who beats a child or wife.
/too much bother.

I'm sure I'll get a great big LGF group hug for this, but here goes anyway:

To me the measure of the Reuters story is simply whether it's true. Is genital mutilation -- which is how the story describes the act -- mutilation indeed? I think so. Is it regarded with horror in the West? Pretty much universally. Is it regarded as a rite of passage in many countries in many countries, predominantly in Africa? I believe it is. Horrific as that may be.

That doesn't make it right, of course. It only makes it true.

Now everybody get in here close. Big family squeeze.

The mother is pregnant with a seventh child and was deemed unfit to be held in jail.

Too bad this wasn't in Texas. They'd have a true don blue case of potential child abuse if the baby was to be allowed to remain in the custody of the mother.

re: #66 Honorary Yooper

Yes, and I think I'll try for tickets. :-)

I wonder if the rooftop seats across Waveland and Sheffield Avenues will be for sale.

re: #65 psyop

That is only because the FLDS nominally resembles christianity. Of course society must be protected from all the horrible christians (/sarc). If someone were to do that to muslims, jews, sihks, or bhuddists, it would be considered a hate crime.

Sad, but true.

Unless you are LDS, then you view them as primitive, disgusting, throwbacks incapable of evolving to survive the modern world.

re: #62 formercorpsman

Sharmuta, actually in some African countries, it is the female elders who actually promote the practice, and do the job.

But we can agree without any doubt whatsoever.

This is absolutely barbaric. It serves absolutely no purpose.

Barbaric to the core.

I would bet they learned this 'rite of passage' at the tip of a sword, wielded by a brute savage patriarchal 'male'.

This could be almost a chicken or the egg argument, but I have a feeling that it began with the men who forced the women to do it. Then it became ingrained out of sick fear until it became 'accepted'.

re: #74 Bob in Breckenridge

I wonder if the rooftop seats across Waveland and Sheffield Avenues will be for sale.

Most likely. They can see the field from there.

re: #62 formercorpsman

I know it. But to think that misogyny is exclusively in the realm of men is to misunderstand misogyny. Women hate women too, and often times women want their fellow woman to be just as miserable as them. Some women have a hard time when I mention this, but it's true, and until women treat each other with respect, no matter how much respect we gain from men, misogyny will continue to be a burden on all women.

re: #72 Cognito

I'm sure I'll get a great big LGF group hug for this, but here goes anyway:

To me the measure of the Reuters story is simply whether it's true. Is genital mutilation -- which is how the story describes the act -- mutilation indeed? I think so. Is it regarded with horror in the West? Pretty much universally. Is it regarded as a rite of passage in many countries in many countries, predominantly in Africa? I believe it is. Horrific as that may be.

That doesn't make it right, of course. It only makes it true.

Now everybody get in here close. Big family squeeze.

tone is everything,cog...

re: #72 Cognito

I'm sure I'll get a great big LGF group hug for this, but here goes anyway:

To me the measure of the Reuters story is simply whether it's true. Is genital mutilation -- which is how the story describes the act -- mutilation indeed? I think so. Is it regarded with horror in the West? Pretty much universally. Is it regarded as a rite of passage in many countries in many countries, predominantly in Africa? I believe it is. Horrific as that may be.

That doesn't make it right, of course. It only makes it true.

Now everybody get in here close. Big family squeeze.

It is done as early as infancy in some cases. That is NOT a rite of passage. The reporter needs to do a bit of research.

re: #60 Honorary Yooper

Oh, oh, I will. I'll bet he'll meet them, preconditions aside.

/What do I win?

You have won the better of the two showcases!

First you'll get a trip to the President Obama Re-education camp in Sunny Gitmo...they've emptied out the jihadists and sent them home, and now you can stay there as long as you like until you figure out that President Obama really is your friend...

And you'll want something to read in your cell...um, room and during exercise time...that's right, you'll get a copy of "It Takes a Village" and "The Audacity of Hope". When you can recite them verbaitim, you will get extra waffles at lunch.

All this is yours because the Price was Too High.

re: #65 psyop

That is only because the FLDS nominally resembles christianity. Of course society must be protected from all the horrible christians (/sarc). If someone were to do that to muslims, jews, sihks, or bhuddists, it would be considered a hate crime.

Sad, but true.

Oh wait I'm agreeing with you.

/just kidding, already knew that, just wanted to add on.

re: #11 shoeless

See paragraph two.

re: #50 CapeCoddah

I know we don't promote violence here, (and I can fantasize quietly about a TRULY just punishment) but, I do think the death penalty should be meted out to all who are guilty of things like this, with children.

I would say that death would be an appropriate punishment.

Just because we are a free society does not mean you have the freedom to do whatever you want with no consequences. We have laws for a reason, and if you do not like the fact that MUTILATING your CHILDREN is against the law, please, ferschrissakes, do not move to this country.

re: #65 psyop

That is only because the FLDS nominally resembles christianity. Of course society must be protected from all the horrible christians (/sarc). If someone were to do that to muslims, jews, sihks, or bhuddists, it would be considered a hate crime.

Sad, but true.

You're probably right, except I don't think they'd give Jews a pass at all.

re: #72 Cognito

I'm sure I'll get a great big LGF group hug for this, but here goes anyway:

To me the measure of the Reuters story is simply whether it's true. Is genital mutilation -- which is how the story describes the act -- mutilation indeed? I think so. Is it regarded with horror in the West? Pretty much universally. Is it regarded as a rite of passage in many countries in many countries, predominantly in Africa? I believe it is. Horrific as that may be.

That doesn't make it right, of course. It only makes it true.

Now everybody get in here close. Big family squeeze.

Right. Lovely. And while Reuters is blamelessly reporting the truth, little girls are being horribly mutilated.

But let's just dispassionately report "the truth," devoid of right or wrong, or even concern for the rights of children.

re: #75 Mars Needs Neocons

Unless you are LDS, then you view them as primitive, disgusting, throwbacks incapable of evolving to survive the modern world.

Also a difference between christian/western religion and Islam. We disdain throwbacks and primitives in our society. They embrace and advance them.

re: #79 joecitizen

Eh. I goes with what strikes meh.

I'm wondering if anyone might be able to tell me if the words, "bicker" and "squabble" are objective...

re: #77 Honorary Yooper

Most likely. They can see the field from there.

Yeah, I know that. But I'm thinking this isn't baseball in the summer. This is Chicago just off the lake in the middle of winter- snow, ice, and drunks on roofs aren't a good combo.

re: #72 Cognito

That is all i was trying to get across... they could have condemned it... that would have been better, but they weren't friendly to the practice either.

re: #75 Mars Needs Neocons

Yes, indeed. I wouldn't want to throw the good folks of your average LDS church under the bus by intimating they are of a mind with the FLDS.

re: #76 Oh no...Sand People!

At the origin, we agree.

My only point, (no pun of course) is that females carry this on in their own culture.

Don't get me wrong.

This is wrong. It should not be tolerated, it is child abuse.

re: #84 psyop

Oh, I know death is adequate, believe me, Its the VIOLENT death I wont advocate, even though beating them to death barehanded comes to mind first.

re: #78 Sharmuta

You made my point better than I could.

re: #84 psyop

I would say that death would be an appropriate punishment.

Just because we are a free society does not mean you have the freedom to do whatever you want with no consequences. We have laws for a reason, and if you do not like the fact that MUTILATING your CHILDREN is against the law, please, ferschrissakes, do not move to this country.

Death is too good for these people. I can name some things I'd like to see done to them, but they aren't exactly condoned by most people.

re: #48 Charles
and
re: #52 Charles

With all the spare time you have, do you think you could like, impose a literacy requirement on any newbies who want to register? I mean, I know shoeless isn't technically a newbie, but he/she is certainly acting like it: not reading your link and not reading what YOU said.
Just a suggestion!

re: #82 Mars Needs Neocons

Oh wait I'm agreeing with you.

/just kidding, already knew that, just wanted to add on.

LOL...

I figured as much... but it is good to have confirmation.

The truth of the matter is disturbing. People with this culture and system of values have no place in Western Society. This is how it's done in Somalia:

"The child, completely naked, is made to sit on a low stool. Several women take hold of her and open her legs wide. After separating her outer and inner lips, the operator, usually a woman experienced in this procedure, sits down facing the child. With her kitchen knife the operator first pierces and slices open the hood of the clitoris. Then she begins to cut it out. While another woman wipes off the blood with a rag, the operator digs with her sharp fingernail a hole the length of the clitoris to detach and pull out the organ. The little girl, held down by the women helpers, screams in extreme pain; but no one pays the slightest attention.The operator finishes this job by entirely pulling out the clitoris, cutting it to the bone with her knife. Her helpers again wipe off the spurting blood with a rag. The operator then removes the remaining flesh, digging with her finger to remove any remnant of the clitoris among the flowing blood. The neighbor women are then invited to plunge their fingers into the bloody hole to verify that every piece of the clitoris is removed."

[Link: www.middle-east-info.org...]

re: #65 psyop

I won't carry the water for the LDSers if they are doing what some have accused them of...if there are men having sex with underage girls they ought to be in jail. I do think it is interesting that from time to time we Americans will actually swoop in and grab kids we think are in danger, and many are in danger, so that often is a good thing.

What is incomprensible is that in Norway and other western European nations, there seems to be a "live and let live" attitude that ends up with bombs going off in trains, "youths" rioting, honor killings and girls having thier private parts mutilated.

To quote Timon in the Lion King "...and everyone is OK with this? Did I miss something here?"

The Muslim lady in such trouble in the Netherlands (I know, narrow it down), the one that acted in the movie that got the director/producer stabbed to death (I know, narrow it down) tells a chilling story about her FGM.

One of the reasons she's not so much pro-Islam anymore.

re: #96 Honorary Yooper

Thats EXACTLY what I mean!

Make no mistake -- this empty-headed moral vacuum is one big reason why this disgusting practice is now prevalent in countries like Norway.

re: #86 Charles

Right. Lovely. And while Reuters is blamelessly reporting the truth, little girls are being horribly mutilated.

But let's just dispassionately report "the truth," devoid of right or wrong, or even concern for the rights of children.

There's nothing wrong with dispassion, I think, in a straight news story. And the truth is no mean goal. The story clearly calls the act 'genital mutilation,' which I believe is the truth.

re: #90 Bob in Breckenridge

Yeah, I know that. But I'm thinking this isn't baseball in the summer. This is Chicago just off the lake in the middle of winter- snow, ice, and drunks on roofs aren't a good combo.

I'd guess it would depend on the day. This will be on New Year's Day, so the chances of ice and snow on the ground are about 30% or so.

re: #75 Mars Needs Neocons

Unless you are LDS, then you view them as primitive, disgusting, throwbacks incapable of evolving to survive the modern world.

I must be reading you wrong. Right?

re: #97 realwest

I read the link, I read what HE said, I just didn't see quite the same. Or do we need to be in lock-step when it comes to thought?

re: #79 joecitizen

tone is everything,cog...

Don't totally agree with his statement, but appreciate the way he stated it. The rite of passage line is a throwaway to make something sound more acceptable than it is. It was established some time ago. I know when the lefties used to talk about it in the 80's and 90's when they wanted the US to intervene it was commonly called Genital Mutilation-not circumcision. There was a big difference between the way things were written about Islam then, compared to now. There were also usually graphic details and explanations about the lifelong scars and the accidents that frequently occurred.

So do I believe that "rite of passage" is accurate? I think it is at the least misleading.

re: #97 realwest

and
re:

re: #85 wolfie

You're probably right, except I don't think they'd give Jews a pass at all.

You could probably make a reasonable case for that argument.

Jews get the shaft, no matter the country, no matter the generation, no matter the era in history.

God bless 'em.

This 'rite of passage' garbage is insulting to anyone who isn't living in the Dark Ages. Reuters should be ashamed of that kind of crap. It's sickening.

U.N. agencies say an estimated 100 to 140 million women and girls worldwide have undergone genital mutilation, whose proponents say it promotes chastity before marriage and fidelity afterwards by reducing female sexual desire. Around 3 million a year are believed to be subjected to it.

Yeah- way to go reuters! Instead of toeing the muslim misogynistic line, why not educate the readers on what FGM really is?! Why not research what this practice really does to women, such as the horrible medical side effects before and after birth, how it can lead to infant mortality, and how many girls DIE from this "rite". Yeah- real nuanced reporting. I think I'm going to be sick.

BTW, in Egypt some Copts also practice this. Altho it is quickly disappearing from Coptic practice. Another factoit. Almost 50% 0f Egyptian parents report they have had their daughters treated. But only about half that number of girls say they have been.(school survey of 18 year olds) When allowed without that creepy imam, the women will cheat. Which is why the Government finds it necessary to further the practice.
Mohamed did NOT say to do this . He said a symbolic nick would suffice, to equate with the removal of the foreskin.