N☭bama.
N☭bama.
N☭bama.

Blind hog. Acorn. Some assembly required.

I think she has less support for Barry than I.

McCain needs to get busy wooing the disaffected Hilleroids.

Book of crap excuses, page 1:

1) He was trying to remove dust under poor lighting.

2) The low ceiling in this room really accentuates the low frequencies.

Ahhh. The last thread is dead. :). Any other atrocities today that we should discuss?

yes we can! She put on a good game face - but don't you know she was seething inside.

Obama will get many (most) of their votes, if only for Supreme Court appointments, ir: Roe v Wade.

re: #5 Spiritualized

Book of crap excuses, page 1:

1) He was trying to remove dust under poor lighting.

2) The low ceiling in this room really accentuates the low frequencies.

Psychoacoustics.

re: #6 pat

Ahhh. The last thread is dead. :). Any other atrocities today that we should discuss?

I killed a 50 today at the gas station.

Yes, Candy Crowley actually said that in response to Wolfe noting the "tepid" reaction to Obama:

“the low ceiling in this room really accentuates the low frequencies.”

Next, CNN will airbrush the boos out of the tape.

Those weren't boos, they were Oooos!

re: #6 pat

The Obama's Global Poverty initiative heading for the senate is very troubling.

re: #5 Spiritualized

2) The low ceiling in this room really accentuates the low frequencies.

What else could it have been? For surely, nobody could boo the messiah without being immediately struck down by lightning, right?

re: #4 vagabond trader
Yeah, ya know he could just come out TODAY and say "I hope the women of the Democratic Party realize how badly they've been treated by the DNC and by Obama's campaign - to say nothing of CNN"

Wouldn't a HIGH ceiling tend to accentuate the low frequencies?

What's the fre... oh, never mind.

re: #13 vagabond trader

The Obama's Global Poverty initiative heading for the senate is very troubling.

It's aptly named, since it will surely cause global poverty if it's passed.

re: #10 razorbacker

I killed a 50 today at the gas station.

Well that is your fault. If we raise the Petroleum taxes 10 fold, the price of gas will gp down. Barbs Boxer

Well, its done.

So what is McCain doing to get her supporters? Anything?

“the low ceiling in this room really accentuates the low frequencies.”

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Well, now that she is toast, we need a dream team II

Obama/Sharpton
or
Obama/Kucinich
or

/feel free to brainstorm here

Good riddance. I can't stand that lying witch.

re: #4 vagabond trader

McCain needs to get busy wooing the disaffected Hilleroids.

"v-t"

Copyright "HILLEROIDS!"

-S-

re: #20 hermeneutics
Please see my #15 for my ideas on that!

What better time to raise taxes than in a recession. It will make people feel better. Barbs Boxer

McCain needs to get busy. Many of the hillaryites will think this speech was bought by Obamamess. too.

He needs to convince them that he stands for what Hillary stands for. Not too hard in his case.

Russert, though a nice guy, is a hardened Democrat. He's tried to give Republicans a fair shake, but his inner Dem manages to emerge every time.

re: #22 The Shadow Do

Well, now that she is toast, we need a dream team II

Obama/Sharpton
or
Obama/Kucinich
or

/feel free to brainstorm here

Put them up against McCain/RonPaul and November will be exciting.

"Crazy exciting!"

I'm not so sure that those disaffected Hillary supporters will sit this one out. I think they just might vote for McCain in order to stick it to Obama and the dem machine that screwed their girl.

Sitting it out is nothing more than handing it to Obama. If you're going to do that you might as well just go vote for him.

re: #23 Hucbald
So you'd rather see Obama as POTUS?

re: #4 vagabond trader

McCain needs to get busy wooing the disaffected Hilleroids.

No. Absolutely not.
He already has trouble with his own conservative base and the LAST thing he needs to do is move left to try to woo the Hildebeasters.

McCain can hope many of Hillary's supporters will just stay home.
McCain should fear that many conservatives will do likewise.

re: #19 pat

Well that is your fault. If we raise the Petroleum taxes 10 fold, the price of gas will gp down. Barbs Boxer

I smile through the pain.

Though putting $10 into the freaking lawn mower and not filling the tank do kinda put a edge on the smile.

re: #11 Luigi

The MSNBC video seems to do something like that...

oooooh, i like the sound of obama/kuncinich. the poliitical cartoon guys would have a field day drawing those 2 up

“the low ceiling in this room really accentuates the low frequencies.”

Great excuse for a fart, but in this case, it just doesn't cut it...no pun intended..Oh what the hell, yes it was

re: #25 realwest

Sorry, missed it.

You are so right. The silence is deafening. Where the heck is McCain? Perhaps the MSM won't give him any time?

re: #29 JamesTKirk

Put them up against McCain/RonPaul and November will be exciting.

"Crazy exciting!"

Perfect

Since McAuliffe left, it seemed that at best she had lukewarm support from the DNC under Dean, and even less than lukewarm support from the media following the rise of Bockobama the newly annointe(D) one.

So...does she take her delegates and go home leaving the party fractured? Does she try to mend fences within the party, or is there something else entirely up her sleeve?

For one thing I am glad she is not gonna be the president

Reminds me of the "explanation" of the boos directed to Mikey Moore at the Academy Awards: Oh, most of those were people booing the initial boos. Yeah, right.

re: #27 David IV of Georgia David - absolutely right - see my #15 (although obviously it would have to be more, ah, subtle than I put it!).

I can't blame these guys- the thought of voting for obama makes me want to boo too.

re: #10 razorbacker

I killed a 50 today at the gas station.

[Link: www.powerlineblog.com...]

Congressman Roy Blunt put together these data to highlight the differences between House Republicans and House Democrats on energy policy:

ANWR Exploration

House Republicans: 91% Supported

House Democrats: 86% Opposed

Coal-to-Liquid
House Republicans: 97% Supported
House Democrats: 78% Opposed

Oil Shale Exploration
House Republicans: 90% Supported
House Democrats: 86% Opposed

Outer Continental Shelf (OCS) Exploration
House Republicans: 81% Supported
House Democrats: 83% Opposed

Refinery Increased Capacity
House Republicans: 97% Supported
House Democrats: 96% Opposed

re: #33 razorbacker

I smile through the pain.

Though putting $10 into the freaking lawn mower and not filling the tank do kinda put a edge on the smile.

We decided to put $99 into the lawn mower - bought an old fashioned kid powered kind that doesn't take any gas.

If the Hillary supporters sit it out, McCain wins. If they switch to McCain, he wins.

Either way, it's bad for Obama. And all those young voters that were overwhelmingly for Obama that showed up for the primaries? I think by November a good number of them will have either become disillusioned or simply with have "more important things to do than vote" on election day.

Obama's coalitions are somewhat limited and fragile. This election won't be over until election day or after, even with the msm doing all they can to throw this election to Obama.

The key is whether or not Obama can win the crucial swing states. As of this moment I'd say no. He has a far greater number of votes at stake in those states than does McCain, making him considerably more vulnerable to voter defection.

The debates that are forthcoming will be extremely important.

“the low ceiling in this room really accentuates the low frequencies.”

cmon Charles, put that up on the rotating tags!

re: #16 asher abrams

Wouldn't a HIGH ceiling tend to accentuate the low frequencies?

You're making sense now, stop that immediately!

re: #30 galloping granny

I'm not so sure that those disaffected Hillary supporters will sit this one out. I think they just might vote for McCain in order to stick it to Obama and the dem machine that screwed their girl.

Sitting it out is nothing more than handing it to Obama. If you're going to do that you might as well just go vote for him.

I hope that you are right. I don't think that you are, but man, I hope that you are right.

I'm not so very sure that women are any smarter than black Americans or union members, is all.

re: #33 razorbacker

I smile through the pain.

Though putting $10 into the freaking lawn mower and not filling the tank do kinda put a edge on the smile.

I live in an ethanol State. My lawn mower uses twice the gas it used to and can't cut a leaf in it's way it is so weak. And Sears kindly made it so I cannot adjust the fuel air levels. Not even a choke.

What is scarier still is her vying for a Supreme Court position in the Obama world. Then she can screw us till she dies.

re: #20 hermeneutics

Well, its done.

So what is McCain doing to get her supporters? Anything?

A little meaningless rhetoric, like what RW suggested, would be okay, but if McCain tries to win these lefties w/ substance, he's toast.

re: #10 razorbacker

I killed $800.

re: #36 greenmiler

“the low ceiling in this room really accentuates the low frequencies.”

Great excuse for a fart, but in this case, it just doesn't cut it...no pun intended..Oh what the hell, yes it was

Where is Ra^ther? He's an expert on frequencies.

re: #22 The Shadow Do

Well, now that she is toast, we need a dream team II

Obama/Sharpton
or
Obama/Kucinich
or

/feel free to brainstorm here

"Shadow" -

It's a NO BRAINER! Whatever Name/Face appears on the TV and Bumper Stickers - its OBAMA/SOROS - follow the $.

-S-

re: #32 wolfie

Wolfie! Its the general election now, not the primaries/caucuses. McCain needs to positon himself in the middle to win. If he massages his base, he'll lose those votes. His base will eventually resign themselves to vote for him ... at least most of them. Few will be lost.

Just playing the numbers game, McCain needs those Hill voters in blue states. Many of them vote in battleground states. Important, no?

I want him to win this election. Whatever it takes.

And thus fall the House of Clinton.

re: #51 mbruce

What is scarier still is her vying for a Supreme Court position in the Obama world. Then she can screw us till she dies.

You're right. Who's cackling now ?

re: #56 hermeneutics

McCain needs to positon himself in the middle to win.

That's not his problem.

re: #37 hermeneutics

Sorry, missed it.

You are so right. The silence is deafening. Where the heck is McCain? Perhaps the MSM won't give him any time?

McCain plays a very good game of letting them take enough rope to hang themselves with. Why should he jump into the fray? That just gives Hill and BO and target on which they can both focus which isn't the other.

Hillary is still waiting for the return of her call to McCain regarding HIS VP slot.

Wow. A "climate change" commercial featuring Al Sharpton and Pat Robertson. Well, if I hated climatechangism before, I REALLY do now, if both of these clowns are on board.

I question the lighting frequency timing.

re: #45 galloping granny

We decided to put $99 into the lawn mower - bought an old fashioned kid powered kind that doesn't take any gas.

That's nice. But I don't have time or muscles to reel mow 7 acres.

re: #46 really grumpy big dog Johnson

If the Hillary supporters sit it out, McCain wins. If they switch to McCain, he wins.

Either way, it's bad for Obama. And all those young voters that were overwhelmingly for Obama that showed up for the primaries? I think by November a good number of them will have either become disillusioned or simply with have "more important things to do than vote" on election day.

Obama's coalitions are somewhat limited and fragile. This election won't be over until election day or after, even with the msm doing all they can to throw this election to Obama.

The key is whether or not Obama can win the crucial swing states. As of this moment I'd say no. He has a far greater number of votes at stake in those states than does McCain, making him considerably more vulnerable to voter defection.

The debates that are forthcoming will be extremely important.

YES! Well put, Grumpy.

re: #54 David IV of Georgia

Where is Ra^ther? He's an expert on frequencies.

You have to beat him though, and Charles did that a few years ago

I think that Hillary will hold out for a Supreme Court nomination.

re: #27 David IV of Georgia

McCain needs to get busy. Many of the hillaryites will think this speech was bought by Obamamess. too.

He needs to convince them that he stands for what Hillary stands for. Not too hard in his case.

WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE SMOKING ?
The last thing in the world he needs to do is to move left.

re: #44 unrealizedviewpoint

And the Democrats have the gall to chide the executives of oil companies over the high price of gasoline?

re: #35 chicagodudewhotrades

oooooh, i like the sound of obama/kuncinich. the poliitical cartoon guys would have a field day drawing those 2 up

All the cartoons would have to be done in landscape to make room for their ears.

re: #51 mbruce

What is scarier still is her vying for a Supreme Court position in the Obama world. Then she can screw us till she dies.

"mb" -

SEE - Mr. PHIL A. BUSTER!

-S-

re: #46 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Hate to be cynical, but the 'youth' vote never shows up on election day, if Obama loses a lot of ex-hillery women, he's sunk

re: #15 realwest

Good point, turn the tables on the I am woman BS.

re: #4 vagabond trader

McCain needs to get busy wooing the disaffected Hilleroids.

He is. And he has Lieberman helping.
I received this email (excerpts below):

To: Fellow McCain Supporters
From: Senator Joe Lieberman
Date: June 5th, 2008

Today, I asked Senator McCain if I could create and chair a new grassroots organization, "Citizens for McCain."

Citizens for McCain is an organization within the McCain campaign for people who put country before political party and support the candidate for President who has a proven record of bipartisanship.

As you know, I caucus with the Democrats as a United States Senator and was the Democrat Party's nominee for Vice-President of the United States against President Bush and Vice President Cheney.

But first and foremost, I am an American. I have an obligation to do what I think is best for our nation regardless of political party. My love for this country and strong belief in John McCain's character, judgment, and willingness to work with leaders of both parties has convinced me to support him for President.

I have worked with John McCain for many years in the U.S. Senate and know from experience that he can unite Democrats, Republicans and Independents like no one else in this country. He did it in the United States Senate and he can do it as President of the United States.

But we need help from McCain supporters such as you to reach out to Americans who are not currently involved in the campaign. Will you help us by recruiting your friends, family, and co-workers who may not consider themselves members of the Republican Party and ask them to join the Citizens for McCain organization?

I am confident we will find many Democrats and Independents who, like John McCain and me, put country before political party and will support a leader with a real record of bipartisanship.

Time and time again John McCain has put his country first. He refused early release when he was held captive in Vietnam. He continued to put his country first as a national leader in the U.S. Senate. He put country before party when he fought to pass campaign finance reform, sought a bi-partisan solution to the immigration problem, and consistently supported pro-environment policies. His courage to stand up to the failed Iraq war plan of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and lead the fight for a new strategy in Iraq will go down in history, and it saved American lives. These were not always the easy things to do. In fact, they were usually very difficult, and often threatened his political career. But John McCain did what was right.

He said it best in his speech in New Orleans on Tuesday night:

"(The American people) know I have a long record of bipartisan problem solving. They've seen me put our country before any President -- before any party -- before any special interest -- before my own interest. They might think me an imperfect servant of our country, which I surely am. But I am her servant first, last and always."

The phones at the campaign headquarters have been ringing with disaffected Democrats calling to say they believe Senator McCain has the experience, judgment, and bipartisanship necessary to lead our country in these difficult times. Many of these supporters are former supporters of Senator Clinton.

(stuff deleted)

I am proud to call John McCain my friend and ask you to help our friend become the next President of the United States.

Please forward this email to your lists today and ask your friends, family, and coworkers who do not consider themselves Republicans to join me in filling out the Citizens for McCain form today.

Thank you for your willingness to help me expand this new organization. Together, we will make history.

re: #58 mikeinmd

You're right. Who's cackling now ?

Oops, you beat me to the draw. (falling over)

re: #45 galloping granny

We decided to put $99 into the lawn mower - bought an old fashioned kid powered kind that doesn't take any gas.

Don't give the dems any new ideas. Before ya know it they'll outlaw gas powered lawnmowers or mandate hybrids on us.

re: #58 mikeinmd

You're right. Who's cackling now ?

Hillary does not have the legal background for a seat on the Supremes. Hasn't been a practicing attorney in years, never been a judge.

Hope! Change! Waffles for All!

re: #40 winston06
Me too, but I'd still rather have her as POTOUS than Obama.
And, although I didn't - couldn't really bring myself to listen - I'm not sure she didn't emphasize the Gender angle as much as she could and should have.
Everyone on Obama's side (and that includes especially Howard Dean and the MSM) have been arguing the race issue right out of the gate; Hillary should have been doing the same thing on the Gender card.

the low ceiling in this room really accentuates the low frequencies

Kenneth could not be rathed for comment.

re: #59 Sharmuta

That's not his problem.

Sad but true.

In earnest of her new position, Hillary will wear a burqah from now through November. At least.

re: #68 wolfie

He is simply moving left for the election, not his presidency, Wolfie. He is who he is. We can't change his essential outlook anyway. We can, though, make sure he wins the election.

He can promise a bunny in every mailbox, for all I care.

re: #68 wolfie

WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE SMOKING ?
The last thing in the world he needs to do is to move left.

He doesn't have much room left to move that way in any case.

re: #64 razorbacker

That's nice. But I don't have time or muscles to reel mow 7 acres.

We don't have that much - only about 1.5 acres. Put most of that into garden that does not have to be mowed.

re: #22 The Shadow Do

Well, now that she is toast, we need a dream team II

Obama/Sharpton
or
Obama/Kucinich
or

/feel free to brainstorm here

Obama/Ahmadinejad

As long as it is NOT Obama/Clinton.
That could bring in her supporters. McCain needs them.

re: #74 Kosh's Shadow

Wow!

re: #51 mbruce

What is scarier still is her vying for a Supreme Court position in the Obama world. Then she can screw us till she dies.

Won't happen. She is not far enough to the left. She does not qualify.

From her *personal* perspective, the best thing that can happen is that Obama loses the election.

Not only does that give Hilary "I told you so" rights, it also lets her run again in 2012.

If Obama wins, then he'll be the incumbent in 2012 and she'll be frozen out until 2016. . .at which point she will be 69 years old.

I once ran for an office (supervisor) and lost by 13 votes. It is not a good feeling. Part of me feels sorry for her. An admittedly small part, but still...

re: #45 galloping granny

We decided to put $99 into the lawn mower - bought an old fashioned kid powered kind that doesn't take any gas.

Granny -

I ran one of those well past my Bar Mitzvah at home. Used the Gas powered one to make money.

-S-

re: #77 galloping granny

Hillary does not have the legal background for a seat on the Supremes. Hasn't been a practicing attorney in years, never been a judge.

Whew! Could she start practicing until the moment of opportunity?

re: #84 JamesTKirk

He doesn't have much room left to move that way in any case.

Lady at the train station asks the conductor, "Which way do I go for the train to Philadelphia?"
Conductor says, "Go to the left and you'll be right."
Lady says, "Sir, are you being impertinent?"
Conductor says, "OK, lady, go to the right and you'll be left"

re: #69 ContraJihadi

And the Democrats have the gall to chide the executives of oil companies over the high price of gasoline?

Threats of take-over, nationalization, socialization. Go to the video tape. Anyone got it?

McCain has been well situated in the middle for years. If he wants to shore up the base, he only needs to pick a good conservative as his VP.

re: #89 looking closely

From her *personal* perspective, the best thing that can happen is that Obama loses the election.

Not only does that give Hilary "I told you so" rights, it also lets her run again in 2012.

If Obama wins, then he'll be the incumbent in 2012 and she'll be frozen out until 2016. . .at which point she will be 69 years old.

Well, we'll see how often she can "damn him with faint praise."

re: #37 hermeneutics

Sorry, missed it.

You are so right. The silence is deafening. Where the heck is McCain? Perhaps the MSM won't give him any time?

I think it is the MSM ignoring him. They've already crowned Obama the God Emperor of the US and the Messiah, and no one else gets much press.

re: #85 galloping granny

We don't have that much - only about 1.5 acres. Put most of that into garden that does not have to be mowed.

If you'd ever tried to plow Ozarks hillsides you'd be laughing at that, too.

re: #95 Sharmuta

McCain has been well situated in the middle for years. If he wants to shore up the base, he only needs to pick a good conservative as his VP.

If.

re: #67 katemaclaren
Would YOU trust an Obama promise to nominate her to SCOTUS, especially when there are currently no vacancies?!

Ralph Nader is going to get a lot of votes, I bet

re: #95 Sharmuta

Agreed, Sharmuta. And if he wants to WIN the election, he both needs to pick a conservatve VP AND stay/move to the center to pick up more votes.

re: #56 hermeneutics

Wolfie! Its the general election now, not the primaries/caucuses. McCain needs to positon himself in the middle to win. If he massages his base, he'll lose those votes. His base will eventually resign themselves to vote for him ... at least most of them. Few will be lost.

Just playing the numbers game, McCain needs those Hill voters in blue states. Many of them vote in battleground states. Important, no?

I want him to win this election. Whatever it takes.

McCain needs to appeal to conservative leaning ethnics in Blue states who will be leery of Obama's socialism and connection to radical Black nationalism: Vietnamese and other Asian Americans, Hispanics, East Europeans.

Maybe I'm being overly optimistic here but I think if he does well enough with Asian Americans and Hispanics it could even put California in play.

re: #68 wolfie

"The last thing in the world he needs to do is to move left."

He's already there IMHO. A much saner democrat than most, but still a dem.

/yes, I'm voting for him anyway.

re: #101 OldNuc

Ralph Nader is going to get a lot of votes, I bet

Sure, if he runs as a woman.

re: #46 really grumpy big dog Johnson

The debates are important but only within a limited set of questions. In swing states, I can't imagine that "vast bipartisan experience" will lose to "tiny and fringe inexperience." Swing voters are looking for the most sensible, middle of the road option. They're not ideologues. Thus, McCain has the advantage with them, and for good reasons.

The debates will be important for answering questions about McCain's presidentiality. Will he throw tantrums? Will he come across as a likeable guy? Will he be overly combative? Will he just mouth some stupid platitudes and expect people to "just vote for him," like Bob Dole? I think McCain should come out and really talk like a centrist, and to bring up not the Vietnam stuff but his actual work experience.

He'll clean up the swing votes. McCain in a landslide. Obama's candidacy will make everyone feel good about being American, because a young successful black guy is competing at the top level -- but they'll also feel good that hey, if he doesn't win now, then whatever, he's young, he'll be around again when he has more experience.

And that will give the GOP time to bring up their A-list youngsters, like Jindal, whose accomplishments far outshine a machine product like Obama.

re: #99 itellu3times

Well- I think Senator McCain has wanted the Presidency just as much as Senator Clinton. I think now that things are settled- he'll fight for it.

re: #105 itellu3times

Sure, if he runs as a woman.

He is. Cynthia McKinney is Green Party candidate this time.

re: #102 hermeneutics

Agreed, Sharmuta. And if he wants to WIN the election, he both needs to pick a conservatve VP AND stay/move to the center to pick up more votes.

HE'S ALREADY IN THE CENTER!

re: #95 Sharmuta

McCain has been well situated in the middle for years. If he wants to shore up the base, he only needs to pick a good conservative as his VP.

..and, for the country, he need (and will) pick a conservative successor.

Personally, I am not at all surprised by this outcome.

I predicted it here over a year ago that despite the conventional wisdom, Hilary wouldn't get the nod.

Hilary was simply too unpopular to get a "lock" on the Dem nomination, and it went to the "next best" candidate.

Too bad the "next best" was Obama.

re: #56 hermeneutics

Wolfie! Its the general election now, not the primaries/caucuses. McCain needs to positon himself in the middle to win. If he massages his base, he'll lose those votes. His base will eventually resign themselves to vote for him ... at least most of them. Few will be lost.

Just playing the numbers game, McCain needs those Hill voters in blue states. Many of them vote in battleground states. Important, no?

I want him to win this election. Whatever it takes.

He's already in the middle.What he HAS to get is the blue-collar and Catholic vote, the Reagan Democrats.

Yes, they voted for Hillary in the Democratic primaries, but not because they want some leftist shrew as president. It's because they don't like the elitist Obama. McCain doesn't need to move left to get those votes.

re: #10 razorbacker

The free gasoline with the 8-years of Obama is gonna be so cool!

re: #46 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I completely agree. As I've said before on LGF, look for two things this November:

1) A significant percentage of Hillary supporters voting for McCain. The amount won't be huge. But the older supporters are and will still be angry, want their voices heard and won't go 3rd party.

2) An uptick in 3rd part votes. Probably the Green Party. No idea how large this will be (probably a small number), but the Green Party will probably do a lot better this election than they did in 2004.

The more I talk with people (and I live and socialize in metro New York area), the more I get the feeling that Obama is a dead man walking. We'll see if it lasts to November.

re: #68 wolfie

WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE SMOKING ?
The last thing in the world he needs to do is to move left.

I wasn't thinking of him moving left. Only Al-Obama, Lenin, Mao and Chavez are left of him. I was thinking more of him lying. He is a politician, after all. The language of politics, with few rare exceptions (R. R., we need you), is lies.

What a horrible mess we are in in this election. I guess this is how the Romans felt as the Dark Ages descended on them.

The Dems who were booing in that auditorium may not necessarily vote for McCain, but they aren't going to swim a river of sewage and cawl over broken glass to vote Obama. They may vote for Barr or Nader this year.

re: #107 Sharmuta

Well- I think Senator McCain has wanted the Presidency just as much as Senator Clinton. I think now that things are settled- he'll fight for it.

I dunno. If he gets a lot of good advice, maybe. Someone the other day wrote a column about how McCain sees himself as a general, not a politician (as if many successful generals aren't also politicians to succeed). I think it was a leftoid article, but I'm afraid there's a lot of truth in it. My acceptance of McCain is moment by moment, and not very optimistic.

It's te conservatives of the Republican party wo are pissed and need to be swayed, therefore McCain needs to either move right (never happen) or pick a conservative VP (likely, imo).

re: #97 Kosh's Shadow

Thankfully, we have the alternative press right here. We have to broaden our appeal and pull in people who normally wouldn't read LGF and other like-minded blogs.

Doing an end-run around the MSM means building up the readership of our blogs, in part.

I have no answers, Kosh. I don't know how to do this. But I do know that beefing up teh alternative media is the only way this election will be won ... as well as with good "retail politics."

re: #101 OldNuc

Ralph Nader is going to get a lot of votes, I bet

Why would they vote for Nader when they have a Spartacist like Obama to vote for?

re: #74 Kosh's Shadow

As you know, I caucus with the Democrats as a United States Senator and was the Democrat Party's nominee for Vice-President of the United States against President Bush and Vice President Cheney.

That part of Lieberman's letter goes toward contradicting Obama's claim that McCain will be a third Bush term.

re: #32 wolfie

Have to respectfully disagree. McCain does not have to become a blithering moonbat, just sooth the savage Hilda beasties on what they agree with him on. Bush was elected twice, hardly a model conservative.

re: #117 itellu3times

My acceptance of mccain has everything to do with defeating Dear Leader.

Here's the guy Hillary wants them to back. When he takes over health care, there won't be any inhalers, only inhalaters. You've got to see this yet another Obama Gaffe. This our would be President.

For the past few years I've considered myself a "Fox News Democrat." (or maybe 'round these parts I should say I'm a "LGF Democrat."
I voted for Hil in the primaries and very well may be one of those people who dont vote for anyone for president.

re: #105 itellu3times

Sure, if he runs as a woman.

The old fool might try it. He has tried almost everything else. he will go after the Hillary supporters now for sure. The Democrat party is starting to look like the lamp that was thrown at Bill, shattered.

Well y'all it's been grand but I've gotta go eat lunch do some chores now.
Hope you all have a GREAT DAY and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

re: #112 wolfie

I disagree. What McCain needs is women voters. What would happen if he picked a successful middle-aged conservative woman business exec with top-shelf style?

re: #103 Colonel Panik

I think California is a long,long shot, but I agree with the premise that hispanics and asains are our biggest, unearned voting blocs, if you see people as ethnicities.

I'd rather appeal to people by their worldviews. How to do this, though?

Regarding Hillary supporters now that she's quit...
Reminds me of the ditty found scratched on the walls of the old pay toilets.

"Here I sit, broken hearted
Paid a dime and only farted".

re: #122 vagabond trader

Have to respectfully disagree. McCain does not have to become a blithering moonbat, just sooth the savage Hilda beasties on what they agree with him on. Bush was elected twice, hardly a model conservative.

Can Cindy McCain give a good speech?

I mean, besides handing out free beer to the crowd?

re: #95 Sharmuta

McCain has been well situated in the middle for years. If he wants to shore up the base, he only needs to pick a good conservative as his VP.

You make a good point. Equally so McCain is well situated to lose my vote. And I am not even a hard conservative. Economics, Global Warming taxes, and the border. Insanity. Pure insanity.

re: #120 gymnast

Why would they vote for Nader when they have a Spartacist like Obama to vote for?

liberals with a conscience?

re: #112 wolfie

Yes, but is he winning these blue-collar Catholics? Is he, Wolfie? Is he warming them up? Is he reaching out?

What should he say? Where should he say it?

re: #85 galloping granny

That sounds great, we have about the same amount of open property, very wooded, no good for veggie gardening. Thought I was rid of those nasty lily beetles, but they're back. Time to go a-squishing, very therapeutic.

re: #133 unrealizedviewpoint

liberals with a conscience?

jumbo shrimp

re: #125 eff

You're a citizen. You have a responsibility to cast a vote.

A portion of hillary voters will go for obama, but I think a portion are up for greabs as they'll either vote for McCain or stay home.

re: #89 looking closely

From her *personal* perspective, the best thing that can happen is that Obama loses the election.

Not only does that give Hilary "I told you so" rights, it also lets her run again in 2012.

If Obama wins, then he'll be the incumbent in 2012 and she'll be frozen out until 2016. . .at which point she will be 69 years old.

You mentioned Hillary and 69 in the same post.

Company down the street is having a clearance sale on barf bags...

I suspect that more than a few of Hillary’s supporters will never vote for Obama; they won’t vote for McCain, either, of course. They’ll probably end up sitting it out.

I think that's right.

The problem is that McCain to date does not draw out enthusiastic supporters and many Republicans might sit him out too.

Which leaves this a contest among true believers and Obama has many many more.

When I think rationally, I can't believe that Obama can be elected with his policies, his associations, and his total lack of experience.

But Obama's voters don't think rationally and there are millions and millions of them.

I'm getting despondent at the thought that an Obama Presidency is all too real and the damage he will do is all too catastrophic.

re: #125 eff

For the past few years I've considered myself a "Fox News Democrat." (or maybe 'round these parts I should say I'm a "LGF Democrat."
I voted for Hil in the primaries and very well may be one of those people who dont vote for anyone for president.

What the heck is a Fox News Democrat?

re: #122 vagabond trader

a little pandering the religious right maybe?

re: #64 razorbacker

That's nice. But I don't have time or muscles to reel mow 7 acres.

One word. "Goats."

Lose big or lose a little. ***sigh***
At least Congress and the Senate still offer a few real choices this year.

re: #125 eff

Do you want Dear Leader to win? If not- you should vote for mccain- he's pretty much a democrat anyways.

re: #113 debutaunt

The free gasoline with the 8-years of Obama is gonna be so cool!

*wipes eyes. Struggles to regain breath*

Thank you from the bottom of my black, flinty heart. I needed that.

To those poor misguided souls who think young people will come out to vote in November--I've got news. Based on my own, imperfect studies over the years, here is what I've learned:

Young people (18-25) not in college, but working somewhere--will not vote and probably don't know who's running. (research from Jay Walking)

Young people (18-25) in college--will not vote because it's almost time to go skiing or to Mexico or home for the holidays and they have exams. Exception--if they are in the Young Republicans or Young Democrats respective folds.
(research, my own--I teach about 290 students--every fall at five or six different colleges. I ask them AFTER election day--just casually, if anyone voted--seldom have I had more than two hands go up).

Today, two canvassers (very young) were raising money for Obama--I asked them if they were going to vote for him. Here's one response:

"Oh I sure would IF I COULD, but I'm only 16."
Why are you out collecting money for Obama--I asked--knowing the answer, but waiting...
"Oh, it's a JOB! We are getting paid--but we LOVE OBAMA!" This little fish was 17.

re: #77 galloping granny

Hillary does not have the legal background for a seat on the Supremes. Hasn't been a practicing attorney in years, never been a judge.

In fairness, there have been US Supreme court justices who have not had prior judicial experience. So that wouldn't absolutely disqualify her.

But as I posted before, assuming she even wanted it (and its not clear that she would. . .its a tough job), she wouldn't be a good choice for several OTHER reasons:

a. She has a history of unethical behavior as a lawyer, that would come out during confirmation.

b. She is still unpopular nationally, and there would be a pretty strong popular uprising against her if nominated. She doesn't have the full backing of the Dems, even.

c. Nominating her for that office would be an obvious case of political dealmaking over merit on Obama's part, creating obvious resentment and working against her.

d. If Obama's "goal" is to load the SCOTUS with liberal judges (and he's explicitly said as much. . .WATCH OUT), there are better choices than Hilary out there, even better female ones.

re: #125 eff

For the past few years I've considered myself a "Fox News Democrat." (or maybe 'round these parts I should say I'm a "LGF Democrat."
I voted for Hil in the primaries and very well may be one of those people who dont vote for anyone for president.

So will your "Not vote" be considered a de facto Obama vote?

re: #83 hermeneutics

He is simply moving left for the election, not his presidency, Wolfie. He is who he is. We can't change his essential outlook anyway. We can, though, make sure he wins the election.

He can promise a bunny in every mailbox, for all I care.

The notion that he has to move even further to the left than he already is
in hopes of picking up a few feminazis is ridiculous.
You are assuming that all of those Democrats that voted for Hillary are leftists.

Remember all the talk about Obama's "Appalachian problem"? The only thing McCain has to do to win those votes over BHO is breathe.

If he alienates the conservative base even more than he already has, he will lose.

re: #136 itellu3times

jumbo shrimp

More like invisible shrimp, or sociopaths with a conscience.

re: #76 unrealizedviewpoint

Don't give the dems any new ideas. Before ya know it they'll outlaw gas powered lawnmowers or mandate hybrids on us.

Step up and get your Prius hand clippers.

re: #141 The Shadow Do

I coined the phrase "Fox News Democrat," so I guess I get to define it...

For me personally, I tend to be socially liberal (gay and want to get married? fine by me), but lean a bit toward the conservative when it comes to foreign policy. I'm understandably very nervous about Obama's plans, esp when it comes to Iran and Israel.

re: #143 debutaunt

One word. "Goats."

Mmmm.
Roast goat on a spit...
Mmmm.

McCain- all by himself, without changing his positions, already plays well to moderate voters. What he needs to do is shore up disaffected conservatives- and he does that by picking a conservative running mate.

re: #140 Opinionated

I have a theory that most Obama supporters are more into the symbolic value of his campaign than its reality. Plus, they're huffing the euphoria his campaign gives them. This kind of loyalty is fragile.

re: #145 Sharmuta

Do you want Dear Leader to win? If not- you should vote for mccain- he's pretty much a democrat anyways.

,
The choice is between a Liberal Democrat who is a Patriot and wants to win the war, and a Socialist who wants America to lose. It really isn't a hard choice.

Even if it is the lesser of two evils.

re: #102 hermeneutics

Agreed, Sharmuta. And if he wants to WIN the election, he both needs to pick a conservatve VP AND stay/move to the center to pick up more votes.

Yes! Stay in the center and do the symbolic thing w/ a conservative VP........but not a goofy one!

re: #143 debutaunt

One word. "Goats."

I've actually considered that.

I think what I'll do, though, is broadcast blackeyed peas (the legume, not the band) and poach enough deer to eliminate the beef/pork/chicken expense.

re: #124 ciaospirit

Somebody should give Obama a "breathalizer".

re: #137 godfrey

I know I *should* cast a vote for pres, I'm just not sure I'll be able to hold my nose and do it...

Better to vote for the Democrat McCain than the Marxist Obama. gag.

I'm still hoping that McCain gets a big anti-Obama vote.

re: #147 katemaclaren

It may be different this year with a "hip" candidate. Their candidate.

The young college age students my consider voting this time to be the in thing to do. They non voters will be uncool.

re: #161 eff

The world stinks. Welcome to adulthood.

re: #150 wolfie

I hope you are right, Wolfie. You live in the east, right? Virginia? I think there are more RCC blue-collar sorts in the east than in the west.

I live in the West where just about every woman who supports Hillary is truly left-leaning. In the west, the RCCs are mainly hispanic. McCain appeals to Hispanics, somewhat. He needs to do better.

Winning the RCC Hispanic vote is crucial.

I would not feel safe with a demagogue like Obama in the WH, even a third Clinton term would be benign by comparison.

This is a dangerous thing the donks did by nominating this man and the press is endangering us further by their failure to investigate and report on him and his ties.

re: #161 eff

I know I *should* cast a vote for pres, I'm just not sure I'll be able to hold my nose and do it...

Well- join the club! I don't like john mccain. But I'm going to vote for him because the alternative scares the living shit out of me.

re: #149 Capitalist Tool

A "not vote" wouldn't be a de facto vote for anyone!

re: #153 eff

Many of us on LGF fit your profile. And we're voting for McCain because, frankly, if we don't win the WOT, those vaunted freedoms won't exist anyway. Gotta have a country before we have ... gay marriage, for instance.

re: #74 Kosh's Shadow

This should help with traditional Democrats and with Jews registered as Democrats who are patriotic to Israel and to America, but will it be enough? It might be if the organization can effectively campaign against Obama's blandishments and convince Independents and sober Democrats that more socialism at home and less vigilance overseas are prescriptions for disaster. Time will tell, but Lieberman's success in Connecticut does seem to be a positive indicator.

We Lizards, being of a Madisonian and firmly national-sovereign bent, harbor our own misgivings about both McCain and Lieberman, but the stakes this year are too high to allow us to insist that the perfect become the enemy of the good.

Hmmm. Methinks there may some heavy disinformation going around, roiling through the internets.

This new website, Ex-Hillary Clinton Supporters for john McCain, has logged over one million hits in about a week, and was recently mentioned on Fox. One million hits.

Now the owner of that site, a chap named Ed, claims a person in possession of the whitey tape has contacted him. "Ed" claims to have heard an audio portion of it.

[Link: www.hcsfjm.com...]

re: #131 itellu3times

Handing out free beer and she'll look good doing it!

re: #161 eff

I know I *should* cast a vote for pres, I'm just not sure I'll be able to hold my nose and do it...

People with this mindset will hand it to Obama and the marxists. I don't understand the "disgust" in preventing this debacle.

re: #89 looking closely

From her *personal* perspective, the best thing that can happen is that Obama loses the election.

Not only does that give Hilary "I told you so" rights, it also lets her run again in 2012.

If Obama wins, then he'll be the incumbent in 2012 and she'll be frozen out until 2016. . .at which point she will be 69 years old.

Didn't you hear? Obama already won relection in 2012.

"It's a good time to be in Chicago," Barack Obama said to the cheering crowd. "The White Sox are winning. The Cubs are winning. And Chicago's going to win the 2016 Olympics."

"In 2016, I'll be wrapping up my second term as president, so I can't think of a better way than to be marching into Washington Park alongside Mayor Daley, alongside Rahm Emanuel, alongside Dick Durbin, alongside Valerie Jarrett as President of the United States, and annoucing to the world, 'Let the games begin!'"

The remark was a contrast to Obama's usual style of rhetoric, which tends to be charismatic, yet understated and not prone to brash predictions. But since it became clear he was going to be the Democratic presidential nominee, a shift has been detected in his demeanor.

re: #156 godfrey

I have a theory that most Obama supporters are more into the symbolic value of his campaign than its reality. Plus, they're huffing the euphoria his campaign gives them. This kind of loyalty is fragile.

I think you nailed the symbolism and the euphoria part, but not too sure about the loyalty part... even when confronted by the truth of things, they will wiggle their mind around yet another rationalization.
/Oh, but...

re: #164 godfrey

Hey, right now there are a good percentage of Hil supporters who feel the same way I do ... we're all adults.

My family ('cept me) are raging Dems, but at the last family gathering, most of them said they will vote Repub if it's Obama. My sister will even register to vote for the first time to vote against him. I hope the same thing is going on in other families.

they were saying boo-urns!
CNN Imitates Waylon Smithers.

re: #170 ContraJihadi

... the stakes this year are too high to allow us to insist that the perfect become the enemy of the good.

Perfect. Thus, we choose McCain.

re: #170 ContraJihadi

Interesting avatar you've got. I know some academics really into Hegel. They're all voting for Obama. "World-historical individual," perhaps. "Spirit," etc.

re: #153 eff

I coined the phrase "Fox News Democrat," so I guess I get to define it...

For me personally, I tend to be socially liberal (gay and want to get married? fine by me), but lean a bit toward the conservative when it comes to foreign policy. I'm understandably very nervous about Obama's plans, esp when it comes to Iran and Israel.

OK, I know who you are..
Tammy Bruce?
Joe Lieberman?

re: #163 Opinionated

It may be different this year with a "hip" candidate. Their candidate.

The young college age students my consider voting this time to be the in thing to do. They non voters will be uncool.

They thought Kerry was cool.

re: #168 eff

A "not vote" wouldn't be a de facto vote for anyone!

Sitting home helps whomever has the lead in that given state.

If you are a Republican who sits home in Massachusetts, or a Dem who sits home in South Carolina, your lack of a vote isn't going to mean much.

But considering how close the last two elections have been, if you are in a swing state and you sit home, that's BAD.

Personally, pulling the lever for McCain is a no-brainer. Despite all his deficiencies, he's by FAR the better choice, and in a contest between mediocre and absymal, I'll take mediocre any day of the week.

re: #142 unrealizedviewpoint

Hey, a few God bless you's never hurt anyone.Even Hil has uttered them and hasn't turned into a pillar of salt. Yet.

re: #178 cheatypantsmcsweatervest

they were saying boo-urns!
CNN Imitates Waylon Smithers.

Booorack!

re: #179 hermeneutics

Perfect. Thus, we choose McCain.

I am sending off a contribution today. This election is far too important.

re: #134 hermeneutics

Yes, but is he winning these blue-collar Catholics? Is he, Wolfie? Is he warming them up? Is he reaching out?

What should he say? Where should he say it?

Sadly this is today's politics. Pandering to voting blocks. What do they want to hear, and where should they hear it. Everything is engineered, scripted, schemed.

Instead, I believe the US of A needs a visionary to transcend the blocs and simply go right at the body politic and articulate, here's where we are, here's where I think we need to be, and this is why it's important. The current system however, effectively prevents this from happening. Now, it's just a poll, identify, divide, spend, conquer, repeat forumla, and our current crop of candidates are the fruits borne of this tree.

I am not impress.

re: #176 eff

I figured, I was just feeling edgy about it.

re: #180 godfrey

I'm "into" Hegel and I'm voting for McCain. Just one wee scholarly vote against the herd.

re: #163 Opinionated

It may be different this year with a "hip" candidate. Their candidate.

The young college age students my consider voting this time to be the in thing to do. They non voters will be uncool.

Never happen. Never does.

I'm going to say this again- we cannot wait for some magical solution to obama's campaign in the form of some damning thing his wife may or may not have said. The man has enough against him with his own positions and lack thereof for us to attack him with. If we don't use his own sorry excuses for positions against him, while we wait for magical and possibly mythical death knells- we will be too late.

re: #155 Sharmuta

McCain- all by himself, without changing his positions, already plays well to moderate voters. What he needs to do is shore up disaffected conservatives- and he does that by picking a conservative running mate.

Disagree.

McCain needs to do something different in a VP pick. Not appeal to a base or even to pick up a single State.

First he needs a household name.

Second he needs a theme that sells.

For example, IMO, run that he will be the CIC, protect out country, win the war, and maybe have a VP who will devote full time to fixing the economy which is getting progressively worse.

Someone recognized as an expert on the economy. Maybe a Steve Forbes.

re: #177 ciaospirit

Yes, they are out there, I know of several myself.

low frequency ROCKS!

Rumours of the whitey tape resurface:

[Link: www.hcsfjm.com...]

World's worst website has had over a million hits in a week. LOL.

re: #161 eff
Keep repeating this:

I love my Country more than I hate McCain.

re: #171 canadianally

Hmmm. Methinks there may some heavy disinformation going around, roiling through the internets.

This new website, Ex-Hillary Clinton Supporters for john McCain, has logged over one million hits in about a week, and was recently mentioned on Fox. One million hits.

Now the owner of that site, a chap named Ed, claims a person in possession of the whitey tape has contacted him. "Ed" claims to have heard an audio portion of it.

[Link: www.hcsfjm.com...]

Whoa nellie. I just looked at that site. Non-proofers, I say.

re: #189 hermeneutics

Gut!

Hey Bama Ho Bama
Bama Bama Ho Bama
Hey Bama Super Star

re: #186 SpartanWoman

I'm sending $$$ too, but I wonder if my time/money would be better spent on the Internet, working to create/support an alternative to the MSM.

re: #153 eff

I coined the phrase "Fox News Democrat," so I guess I get to define it...

For me personally, I tend to be socially liberal (gay and want to get married? fine by me), but lean a bit toward the conservative when it comes to foreign policy. I'm understandably very nervous about Obama's plans, esp when it comes to Iran and Israel.

How about "college student on summer vacation, at home, where parents still control the TV remote.

re: #122 vagabond trader

Have to respectfully disagree. McCain does not have to become a blithering moonbat, just sooth the savage Hilda beasties on what they agree with him on. Bush was elected twice, hardly a model conservative.

I think I'm misreading folks on this. When you (or others) say McCain has to win Hillary's supporters, I immediately thought of all those feminazi leftists. I maintain that he shouldn't even bother to win them over. He can hope they'll just stay home.
But if (as I suspect) you all are talking about the blue-collar, bitter and clingy voters, it goes without saying that McCain absolutely needs to win them. I still maintain that he doesn't need to move left to do it, any more than Reagan had to move left.

re: #196 newsjunkie_ky

Keep repeating this:

I love my Country more than I hate McCain.

Why would you HATE McCain?

re: #185 VegasRick

"re: #178 cheatypantsmcsweatervest

they were saying boo-urns!
CNN Imitates Waylon Smithers.

Booorack!"

Maybe they where blaming the "jooooos".

re: #190 The Shadow Do

Never happen. Never does.

Never before had a candidate like Obama.

If Republicans haven't figured it out by June 7, 2008, maybe it really is too late.

Throw away the book. This year is different.

re: #192 Opinionated

y. Maybe a Steve Forbes.

Gag.
Me.

re: #171 canadianally

This new website, Ex-Hillary Clinton Supporters for john McCain, has logged over one million hits in about a week, and was recently mentioned on Fox. One million hits.

Now the owner of that site, a chap named Ed, claims a person in possession of the whitey tape has contacted him. "Ed" claims to have heard an audio portion of it.

[Link: www.hcsfjm.com...]

I just added a "hit", and I must say that site looks like its run by a raving lunatic.

As to this mythical tape, by now its firmly in "boy who cried wolf" territory. I'll believe it when I see it, and at this point, maybe not even then.

re: #139 Capitalist Tool

I'm glad you said that and not me.

/snicker

re: #181 The Shadow Do

Yeah, I'd be able to support Liberman... but I wouldn't want a Jewish VP. (and I'm Jewish!)

re: #90 rawmuse

I once ran for an office (supervisor) and lost by 13 votes. It is not a good feeling. Part of me feels sorry for her. An admittedly small part, but still...

This was in San Francisco, the left coast? And you lost by only 13 votes? Amazing.

re: #202 wolfie

That's it! Thank you for clarifying my mental ramblings Wolfie.

re: #165 hermeneutics

McCain's dream VP pick: a successful middle-aged conservative hispanic woman business exec with a family and top-shelf style.

re: #192 Opinionated

Disagree.

McCain needs to do something different in a VP pick. Not appeal to a base or even to pick up a single State.

First he needs a household name.

Second he needs a theme that sells.

For example, IMO, run that he will be the CIC, protect out country, win the war, and maybe have a VP who will devote full time to fixing the economy which is getting progressively worse.

Someone recognized as an expert on the economy. Maybe a Steve Forbes.

>

Who is that woman on his staff ... Carla/Carli F.? What is her bio? Does she fit the profile?

re: #184 vagabond trader

Hey, a few God bless you's never hurt anyone.Even Hil has uttered them and hasn't turned into a pillar of salt. Yet.

I was referring specifically to Rove's "no gay marriage platform" that brought the religious right vote to the polls in November '04, winning reelection for Bush. It was genius, but slimy.

Take a look at the comments on Hillary's website.

[Link: blog.hillaryclinton.com...]

re: #192 Opinionated

In that case- he should go with Rudy. But I fear Rudy will piss off conservatives. However- I support this choice. I also think Mitt would be a good choice as a conservative with economic gravitas. Not quite a household name like Rudy, except to republicans who were paying attention during the primary season.

re: #171 canadianally

'o-bots' heh. i like that phrase to describe obama supporters

re: #196 newsjunkie_ky

I dont hate McCain... I don't hate Obama. I love America. I love democracy.

I think Iraq is a mess and I think we can stay for 1000 years and when we leave it will fall apart.

re: #213 hermeneutics

Carla Fiorini.

Messy firing from her CEO job at HP.

re: #207 looking closely

I wholeheartedly agree. I went to the site yesterday after they mentioned it on Fox News. Yes, it is the world's worst website, but now this Ed guy is saying he has heard the tape. More Larry Johnson psy-ops? LOL.

I did speak to a self proclaimed "liberal" who was all ready to vote for Rudy in the general election. Rudy could sway more moderates, but I don't think he's in the running for the VP slot.

Chic! good to see you. What's the word on Obama among Chicago traders?

Based on the last few elections, Dems need every (D) vote they can get their hands on - dead, illegal alien, mentally challenged, etc. just to make it close. They can't afford to have any disgruntled Hillary supporters stay home or vote for the other guy in defiance. I'm sure some will swing McCain's way. I don't feel like McCain's got it wrapped up, but he's got a real chance to do it, despite the personality cult Obama's got going.

re: #190 The Shadow Do

Did it already happen in the primaries?

re: #212 godfrey

Give me a name, Godfrey? Laughing here.

She screwed up!
She could have wrapped it up at the convention.

re: #202 wolfie

You're right. He just needs to start addressing the economy. Thats what these blue collar voters really care about in this election.

Obama hasn't, which leaves McCain the initiative (the value of which that soldier should understand).

It would help if he appointed a VP with economic experience WHO can speak publicly on these issues.

Forbes doesn't help there. He may have the resume but he is old money and a Wall Street type, so the image would negate the message.

re: #205 Opinionated

Never before had a candidate like Obama.

If Republicans haven't figured it out by June 7, 2008, maybe it really is too late.

Throw away the book. This year is different.

Never had a CANDIDATE like Obama, you're right. However, as for STUDENTS and YOUNG ADULTS? They don't change.

re: #225 hermeneutics

lol - I'm laughing too - I don't know! I'm not getting paid to actually find these people!

re: #217 chicagodudewhotrades

'o-bots' heh. i like that phrase to describe obama supporters

o-bots! The posters on that site are mad that the o-bots troll their site, calling them hillbillies without spellcheckers. ROTFL.

re: #207 looking closely

I just added a "hit", and I must say that site looks like its run by a raving lunatic.

As to this mythical tape, by now its firmly in "boy who cried wolf" territory. I'll believe it when I see it, and at this point, maybe not even then.

Yep. That site has the "I was designed by a crazy person" look, with animated GIFs and garish colors. And the statement about the Michelle tape seals it.

More election season BS.

re: #212 godfrey

McCain's dream VP pick: a successful middle-aged conservative hispanic woman business exec with a family and top-shelf style.

JLO!

re: #216 Sharmuta

In that case- he should go with Rudy. But I fear Rudy will piss off conservatives. However- I support this choice. I also think Mitt would be a good choice as a conservative with economic gravitas. Not quite a household name like Rudy, except to republicans who were paying attention during the primary season.

I think Giuliani would be a great- unexpected- controversial- pick, and may do wonders for McCain.

Unfortunately, I believe my- and your- opinion is a distinct minority.

re: #215 committed

Take a look at the comments on Hillary's website.

[Link: blog.hillaryclinton.com...]

Wow. I hope they mean it.

Which will have greater effect on election outcome?

a) Confirmed Conservatives stay home in protest
b) Confirmed Hillary supporters stay home in protest

re: #187 brickthruplateglasswindow

In a way, that "visionary" is what I fear the most - particularly if I agree with him or her. The man on horseback won't be someone I disagree with, and that is really scary.

re: #232 cheatypantsmcsweatervest

All the conservative cred in the world can't atone for J-Lo's brainless music.

re: #235 Capitalist Tool

Which will have greater effect on election outcome?

a) Confirmed Conservatives stay home in protest
b) Confirmed Hillary supporters stay home in protest

Won't know until the veeps are announced.

re: #205 Opinionated

Never before had a candidate like Obama.

If Republicans haven't figured it out by June 7, 2008, maybe it really is too late.

Throw away the book. This year is different.

Nope. The candidate gets a boost in exposure (ie rock star events), but by far young people, aside from the highly visible college age activists, just don't pay attention, nor really give a rip about politics. So shall it always be.

re: #215 committed

Take a look at the comments on Hillary's website.

[Link: blog.hillaryclinton.com...]

Hillary..........................................

We support you FOREVER!

BUT we will NEVER support BO! He doesn't deserve it! He stole it! NEVER means NEVER!

Also, we will FOREVER remember what BO, his nasty supporters, MSM, & the UNdemocratic DNC did in this election.

McCain 08!

Hillary 2012!

Good stuff, but you have to consider it in context.
Who the hell posts on the Hillary campaign site, but the most diehard partisan Clinton fans?
There are still months before the election, and most of the ones supporting Clinton will eventually gravitate towards Obama. The fact is, Hilary and Obama's platforms are essentially identical, with the sole difference of Obama being more appeasement-oriented in foreign policy.

Still, with the Dem party being split nearly exactly evenly between Clinton and Obama, if even 10% of the Clinton voters defect from her to McCain, that could be enough to tip close states and swing the election.

re: #215 committed

Take a look at the comments on Hillary's website.

[Link: blog.hillaryclinton.com...]

Wow. OUCH! That's going to leave a mark--I HOPE!

re: #226 Watookal

She screwed up!
She could have wrapped it up at the convention.

I tend to agree. By the the convention a great many people will be aware of the true nature of Obama's pernicious underpinnings and malignant ambitions. Not that the "Bitch" was much better.

re: #207 looking closely

Even if there were a whitey tape, it wouldn't even matter. They would have to find Obama with either a dead woman or a live boy to get him out of the race now.

re: #231 Charles

Yep. That site has the "I was designed by a crazy person" look, with animated GIFs and garish colors. And the statement about the Michelle tape seals it.

More election season BS.

I SO agree. Deranged.

Real Clear Politics General Election Polls

If you toss out seeBS's poll- all of these are within the margin of error. It's a tie, folks. This despite the cult of personality of Dear Leader.

re: #235 Capitalist Tool

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re: #215 committed

Take a look at the comments on Hillary's website.

[Link: blog.hillaryclinton.com...]

Oh, and I especially liked that you have to sign up to support Obama at Hillary's site now. The sheeple aren't happy about that.

re: #183 looking closely

Reminds me of a quote from Annie Hall:
I feel that life is divided into the horrible and the miserable. That's the two categories. The horrible be like, I don't know, terminal cases, you know, and blind people, crippled. I don't know how they get through life. It's amazing to me. And the miserable is everyone else. So you should be thankful that you're miserable, because that's very lucky, to be miserable.

re: #243 Dalibama

Even if there were a whitey tape, it wouldn't even matter. They would have to find Obama with either a dead woman or a live boy to get him out of the race now.

Unfortunately, you are right. NOPE!

re: #235 Capitalist Tool

Neither wlll happen. Some conservatives, the fools, will sit home -- they always do. Too pure to get sullied by compromise, they'd rather sink their country. Some Hill voters will stay home, but most, sadly, will wander back onto the liberal plantation and vote for Obama.

We need to pick off these Hill voters. They are far more numerous than the disaffected conservatives, but this is just my hunch. I don't have the numbers to back up my intuition.

Do you?

re: #218 eff

I dont hate McCain... I don't hate Obama. I love America. I love democracy.

I think Iraq is a mess and I think we can stay for 1000 years and when we leave it will fall apart.

Iraq is a mess?

re: #231 Charles

Yep. That site has the "I was designed by a crazy person" look, with animated GIFs and garish colors. And the statement about the Michelle tape seals it.

More election season BS.

LOL. One would almost have to try and make a site that awful. Crazy or not though, it made Fox news and apparently (?) those one million hits are legit. Yup, and the site is run by a guy named Ed from Texas. LOL.

re: #203 katemaclaren

One word: Amnesty.

There are so many others, but that one sums up every possible objection.

re: #240 looking closely

Well, actually...I did! I thought it would be fun to keep encouraging her (I guess that's cruel--me bad--and probably hypocritical...oh really me bad)

re: #234 ciaospirit

Wow. I hope they mean it.

Here's a good one:

Hillary..........................................

We support you FOREVER!

BUT we will NEVER support BO! He doesn't deserve it! He stole it! NEVER means NEVER!
Also, we will FOREVER remember what BO, his nasty supporters, MSM, & the UNdemocratic DNC did in this election.
Hillary 2012!
by People at 6/7/2008 1:33:08 PM
McCain 08!

I'm kinda curious. How did Obama steal it?

re: #215 committed

Take a look at the comments on Hillary's website.

[Link: blog.hillaryclinton.com...]

Best quote:

AS MY MOMMA TAUGHT ME....JUST BECAUSE THE CIRCUS COMES TO TOWN DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO JOIN IT.

re: #191 Sharmuta

I'm going to say this again- we cannot wait for some magical solution to obama's campaign in the form of some damning thing his wife may or may not have said. The man has enough against him with his own positions and lack thereof for us to attack him with. If we don't use his own sorry excuses for positions against him, while we wait for magical and possibly mythical death knells- we will be too late.

Sharm, I don't see McCain's campaign going hard at ANY of Obama's missteps. McCain's never seen a compromise he didn't like. RINO's like McCain NEVER go hard at their opponents. It's somehow, undignified to them to actually fight to win. Hard fighters are an anathema to them. The other group who should be vetting the candidates only vet one side....and that would be the media. Good luck getting them on board with anything unfavorable towards Obama unless it's so over the top that it can't be ignored, or spun. Hate to be the one to break it to you. For the pubbies, it's all uphill from here and each step is tougher than the last.

re: #239 The Shadow Do

That's the conventional wisdom.

The same conventional wisdom that laughed at the possibility of a Young, Black, inexperienced, unknown, recently State Senator, with far Left views and associations, becoming the Democratic Party's nominee.

“the ceiling in this room really accentuates the low frequencies regard for Obama.”

re: #251 debutaunt

Iraq is a mess?

He (or she) does admit to being a democrap. Click the avatar.

re: #247 ciaospirit

Oh, and I especially liked that you have to sign up to support Obama at Hillary's site now. The sheeple aren't happy about that.

I was surprised to see that SUPPORT button! Why oh WHY would any fool do that?

re: #234 ciaospirit

No Hil fan, but the msm and Obomoids did treat her like crap.

re: #165 hermeneutics

I hope you are right, Wolfie. You live in the east, right? Virginia? I think there are more RCC blue-collar sorts in the east than in the west.

I live in the West where just about every woman who supports Hillary is truly left-leaning. In the west, the RCCs are mainly hispanic. McCain appeals to Hispanics, somewhat. He needs to do better.

Winning the RCC Hispanic vote is crucial.

Yes. I am definitely thinking regionally!
Most of the people in the broad Appalachian swath who voted so over-whelmingly for Hillary are actually more conservative than not. They're the "Reagan Democrat" types.
A lot of the Hillary vote in the primaries was an anti-Obama vote.