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A Distinct Lack of Enthusiasm

Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 10:33:36 am PDT

The most striking thing about Hillary Clinton’s “concession” speech was the reaction of the crowd. Most of the speech was actually about Hillary, not Obama — but every time she used her catchphrase “We must elect Barack Obama,” the crowd’s reaction was less and less enthusiastic, and a lot of people were booing.

The last time she said it, there was almost no applause. People sitting behind her podium gave it a perfunctory golf clap.

I suspect that more than a few of Hillary’s supporters will never vote for Obama; they won’t vote for McCain, either, of course. They’ll probably end up sitting it out.

It’s really comical to listen to CNN doing their best to downplay the booing; “the ceiling in this room really accentuates the low frequencies.”

Rrriiight.

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1 jcm  6/07/08 10:34:13 am reply quote

N☭bama.
N☭bama.
N☭bama.

2 razorbacker  6/07/08 10:34:34 am reply quote

Blind hog. Acorn. Some assembly required.

3 Roentgen  6/07/08 10:35:12 am reply quote

I think she has less support for Barry than I.

4 vagabond trader  6/07/08 10:35:30 am reply quote

McCain needs to get busy wooing the disaffected Hilleroids.

5 Spiritualized  6/07/08 10:35:44 am reply quote

Book of crap excuses, page 1:

1) He was trying to remove dust under poor lighting.

2) The low ceiling in this room really accentuates the low frequencies.

6 pat  6/07/08 10:36:08 am reply quote

Ahhh. The last thread is dead. :). Any other atrocities today that we should discuss?

7 TheMedianSib  6/07/08 10:36:26 am reply quote

yes we can! She put on a good game face - but don't you know she was seething inside.

8 unrealizedviewpoint  6/07/08 10:36:43 am reply quote

Obama will get many (most) of their votes, if only for Supreme Court appointments, ir: Roe v Wade.

9 Roentgen  6/07/08 10:36:51 am reply quote

re: #5 Spiritualized

Book of crap excuses, page 1:

1) He was trying to remove dust under poor lighting.

2) The low ceiling in this room really accentuates the low frequencies.

Psychoacoustics.

10 razorbacker  6/07/08 10:36:55 am reply quote

re: #6 pat

Ahhh. The last thread is dead. :). Any other atrocities today that we should discuss?

I killed a 50 today at the gas station.

11 Luigi  6/07/08 10:37:02 am reply quote

Yes, Candy Crowley actually said that in response to Wolfe noting the "tepid" reaction to Obama:

“the low ceiling in this room really accentuates the low frequencies.”

Next, CNN will airbrush the boos out of the tape.

12 pat  6/07/08 10:37:02 am reply quote

Those weren't boos, they were Oooos!

13 vagabond trader  6/07/08 10:37:19 am reply quote

re: #6 pat

The Obama's Global Poverty initiative heading for the senate is very troubling.

14 JamesTKirk  6/07/08 10:37:37 am reply quote

re: #5 Spiritualized

2) The low ceiling in this room really accentuates the low frequencies.

What else could it have been? For surely, nobody could boo the messiah without being immediately struck down by lightning, right?

15 realwest  6/07/08 10:37:38 am reply quote

re: #4 vagabond trader
Yeah, ya know he could just come out TODAY and say "I hope the women of the Democratic Party realize how badly they've been treated by the DNC and by Obama's campaign - to say nothing of CNN"

16 asher abrams  6/07/08 10:37:44 am reply quote

Wouldn't a HIGH ceiling tend to accentuate the low frequencies?

17 asher abrams  6/07/08 10:38:10 am reply quote

What's the fre... oh, never mind.

18 JamesTKirk  6/07/08 10:38:25 am reply quote

re: #13 vagabond trader

The Obama's Global Poverty initiative heading for the senate is very troubling.

It's aptly named, since it will surely cause global poverty if it's passed.

19 pat  6/07/08 10:38:31 am reply quote

re: #10 razorbacker

I killed a 50 today at the gas station.

Well that is your fault. If we raise the Petroleum taxes 10 fold, the price of gas will gp down. Barbs Boxer

20 hermeneutics  6/07/08 10:38:38 am reply quote

Well, its done.

So what is McCain doing to get her supporters? Anything?

21 Rollcast  6/07/08 10:39:08 am reply quote

“the low ceiling in this room really accentuates the low frequencies.”

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

22 The Shadow Do  6/07/08 10:39:15 am reply quote

Well, now that she is toast, we need a dream team II

Obama/Sharpton
or
Obama/Kucinich
or

/feel free to brainstorm here

23 Hucbald  6/07/08 10:39:34 am reply quote

Good riddance. I can't stand that lying witch.

24 Dr. Shalit  6/07/08 10:39:35 am reply quote

re: #4 vagabond trader

McCain needs to get busy wooing the disaffected Hilleroids.

"v-t"

Copyright "HILLEROIDS!"

-S-

25 realwest  6/07/08 10:39:42 am reply quote

re: #20 hermeneutics
Please see my #15 for my ideas on that!

26 pat  6/07/08 10:39:43 am reply quote

What better time to raise taxes than in a recession. It will make people feel better. Barbs Boxer

27 David IV of Georgia  6/07/08 10:40:01 am reply quote

McCain needs to get busy. Many of the hillaryites will think this speech was bought by Obamamess. too.

He needs to convince them that he stands for what Hillary stands for. Not too hard in his case.

28 hermeneutics  6/07/08 10:40:02 am reply quote

Russert, though a nice guy, is a hardened Democrat. He's tried to give Republicans a fair shake, but his inner Dem manages to emerge every time.

29 JamesTKirk  6/07/08 10:40:06 am reply quote

re: #22 The Shadow Do

Well, now that she is toast, we need a dream team II

Obama/Sharpton
or
Obama/Kucinich
or

/feel free to brainstorm here

Put them up against McCain/RonPaul and November will be exciting.

"Crazy exciting!"

30 galloping granny  6/07/08 10:40:08 am reply quote

I'm not so sure that those disaffected Hillary supporters will sit this one out. I think they just might vote for McCain in order to stick it to Obama and the dem machine that screwed their girl.

Sitting it out is nothing more than handing it to Obama. If you're going to do that you might as well just go vote for him.

31 realwest  6/07/08 10:40:33 am reply quote

re: #23 Hucbald
So you'd rather see Obama as POTUS?

32 wolfie  6/07/08 10:40:41 am reply quote

re: #4 vagabond trader

McCain needs to get busy wooing the disaffected Hilleroids.

No. Absolutely not.
He already has trouble with his own conservative base and the LAST thing he needs to do is move left to try to woo the Hildebeasters.

McCain can hope many of Hillary's supporters will just stay home.
McCain should fear that many conservatives will do likewise.

33 razorbacker  6/07/08 10:40:43 am reply quote

re: #19 pat

Well that is your fault. If we raise the Petroleum taxes 10 fold, the price of gas will gp down. Barbs Boxer

I smile through the pain.

Though putting $10 into the freaking lawn mower and not filling the tank do kinda put a edge on the smile.

34 Rollcast  6/07/08 10:40:53 am reply quote

re: #11 Luigi

The MSNBC video seems to do something like that...

35 chicagodudewhotrades  6/07/08 10:40:58 am reply quote

oooooh, i like the sound of obama/kuncinich. the poliitical cartoon guys would have a field day drawing those 2 up

36 greenmiler  6/07/08 10:41:03 am reply quote
“the low ceiling in this room really accentuates the low frequencies.”

Great excuse for a fart, but in this case, it just doesn't cut it...no pun intended..Oh what the hell, yes it was

37 hermeneutics  6/07/08 10:41:05 am reply quote

re: #25 realwest

Sorry, missed it.

You are so right. The silence is deafening. Where the heck is McCain? Perhaps the MSM won't give him any time?

38 The Shadow Do  6/07/08 10:41:24 am reply quote

re: #29 JamesTKirk

Put them up against McCain/RonPaul and November will be exciting.

"Crazy exciting!"

Perfect

39 brickthruplateglasswindow  6/07/08 10:41:43 am reply quote

Since McAuliffe left, it seemed that at best she had lukewarm support from the DNC under Dean, and even less than lukewarm support from the media following the rise of Bockobama the newly annointe(D) one.

So...does she take her delegates and go home leaving the party fractured? Does she try to mend fences within the party, or is there something else entirely up her sleeve?

40 winston06  6/07/08 10:41:45 am reply quote

For one thing I am glad she is not gonna be the president

41 Occasional Reader  6/07/08 10:41:54 am reply quote

Reminds me of the "explanation" of the boos directed to Mikey Moore at the Academy Awards: Oh, most of those were people booing the initial boos. Yeah, right.

42 realwest  6/07/08 10:41:56 am reply quote

re: #27 David IV of Georgia David - absolutely right - see my #15 (although obviously it would have to be more, ah, subtle than I put it!).

43 Sharmuta  6/07/08 10:42:12 am reply quote

I can't blame these guys- the thought of voting for obama makes me want to boo too.

44 unrealizedviewpoint  6/07/08 10:42:18 am reply quote

re: #10 razorbacker

I killed a 50 today at the gas station.


[Link: www.powerlineblog.com...]

Congressman Roy Blunt put together these data to highlight the differences between House Republicans and House Democrats on energy policy:

ANWR Exploration

House Republicans: 91% Supported

House Democrats: 86% Opposed

Coal-to-Liquid
House Republicans: 97% Supported
House Democrats: 78% Opposed

Oil Shale Exploration
House Republicans: 90% Supported
House Democrats: 86% Opposed

Outer Continental Shelf (OCS) Exploration
House Republicans: 81% Supported
House Democrats: 83% Opposed

Refinery Increased Capacity
House Republicans: 97% Supported
House Democrats: 96% Opposed

45 galloping granny  6/07/08 10:42:22 am reply quote

re: #33 razorbacker

I smile through the pain.

Though putting $10 into the freaking lawn mower and not filling the tank do kinda put a edge on the smile.

We decided to put $99 into the lawn mower - bought an old fashioned kid powered kind that doesn't take any gas.

46 really grumpy big dog Johnson  6/07/08 10:42:32 am reply quote

If the Hillary supporters sit it out, McCain wins. If they switch to McCain, he wins.

Either way, it's bad for Obama. And all those young voters that were overwhelmingly for Obama that showed up for the primaries? I think by November a good number of them will have either become disillusioned or simply with have "more important things to do than vote" on election day.

Obama's coalitions are somewhat limited and fragile. This election won't be over until election day or after, even with the msm doing all they can to throw this election to Obama.

The key is whether or not Obama can win the crucial swing states. As of this moment I'd say no. He has a far greater number of votes at stake in those states than does McCain, making him considerably more vulnerable to voter defection.

The debates that are forthcoming will be extremely important.

47 greenmiler  6/07/08 10:42:46 am reply quote

“the low ceiling in this room really accentuates the low frequencies.”


cmon Charles, put that up on the rotating tags!

48 brickthruplateglasswindow  6/07/08 10:42:50 am reply quote

re: #16 asher abrams

Wouldn't a HIGH ceiling tend to accentuate the low frequencies?

You're making sense now, stop that immediately!

49 razorbacker  6/07/08 10:42:54 am reply quote

re: #30 galloping granny

I'm not so sure that those disaffected Hillary supporters will sit this one out. I think they just might vote for McCain in order to stick it to Obama and the dem machine that screwed their girl.

Sitting it out is nothing more than handing it to Obama. If you're going to do that you might as well just go vote for him.

I hope that you are right. I don't think that you are, but man, I hope that you are right.

I'm not so very sure that women are any smarter than black Americans or union members, is all.

50 pat  6/07/08 10:42:55 am reply quote

re: #33 razorbacker

I smile through the pain.

Though putting $10 into the freaking lawn mower and not filling the tank do kinda put a edge on the smile.

I live in an ethanol State. My lawn mower uses twice the gas it used to and can't cut a leaf in it's way it is so weak. And Sears kindly made it so I cannot adjust the fuel air levels. Not even a choke.

51 mbruce  6/07/08 10:42:57 am reply quote

What is scarier still is her vying for a Supreme Court position in the Obama world. Then she can screw us till she dies.

52 wolfie  6/07/08 10:43:18 am reply quote

re: #20 hermeneutics

Well, its done.

So what is McCain doing to get her supporters? Anything?

A little meaningless rhetoric, like what RW suggested, would be okay, but if McCain tries to win these lefties w/ substance, he's toast.

53 Mike in Georgia  6/07/08 10:43:30 am reply quote

re: #10 razorbacker

I killed $800.

54 David IV of Georgia  6/07/08 10:43:30 am reply quote

re: #36 greenmiler

“the low ceiling in this room really accentuates the low frequencies.”
Great excuse for a fart, but in this case, it just doesn't cut it...no pun intended..Oh what the hell, yes it was

Where is Rather? He's an expert on frequencies.

55 Dr. Shalit  6/07/08 10:43:31 am reply quote

re: #22 The Shadow Do

Well, now that she is toast, we need a dream team II

Obama/Sharpton
or
Obama/Kucinich
or

/feel free to brainstorm here

"Shadow" -

It's a NO BRAINER! Whatever Name/Face appears on the TV and Bumper Stickers - its OBAMA/SOROS - follow the $.

-S-

56 hermeneutics  6/07/08 10:43:39 am reply quote

re: #32 wolfie

Wolfie! Its the general election now, not the primaries/caucuses. McCain needs to positon himself in the middle to win. If he massages his base, he'll lose those votes. His base will eventually resign themselves to vote for him ... at least most of them. Few will be lost.

Just playing the numbers game, McCain needs those Hill voters in blue states. Many of them vote in battleground states. Important, no?

I want him to win this election. Whatever it takes.

57 Rollcast  6/07/08 10:43:44 am reply quote

And thus fall the House of Clinton.

58 mikeinmd  6/07/08 10:44:01 am reply quote

re: #51 mbruce

What is scarier still is her vying for a Supreme Court position in the Obama world. Then she can screw us till she dies.

You're right. Who's cackling now ?

59 Sharmuta  6/07/08 10:44:14 am reply quote

re: #56 hermeneutics

McCain needs to positon himself in the middle to win.

That's not his problem.

60 galloping granny  6/07/08 10:44:21 am reply quote

re: #37 hermeneutics

Sorry, missed it.

You are so right. The silence is deafening. Where the heck is McCain? Perhaps the MSM won't give him any time?

McCain plays a very good game of letting them take enough rope to hang themselves with. Why should he jump into the fray? That just gives Hill and BO and target on which they can both focus which isn't the other.

61 LaMano  6/07/08 10:44:27 am reply quote

Hillary is still waiting for the return of her call to McCain regarding HIS VP slot.

62 Occasional Reader  6/07/08 10:44:48 am reply quote

Wow. A "climate change" commercial featuring Al Sharpton and Pat Robertson. Well, if I hated climatechangism before, I REALLY do now, if both of these clowns are on board.

63 wccawa  6/07/08 10:44:49 am reply quote

I question the lighting frequency timing.

64 razorbacker  6/07/08 10:44:51 am reply quote

re: #45 galloping granny

We decided to put $99 into the lawn mower - bought an old fashioned kid powered kind that doesn't take any gas.


That's nice. But I don't have time or muscles to reel mow 7 acres.

65 hermeneutics  6/07/08 10:44:56 am reply quote

re: #46 really grumpy big dog Johnson

If the Hillary supporters sit it out, McCain wins. If they switch to McCain, he wins.

Either way, it's bad for Obama. And all those young voters that were overwhelmingly for Obama that showed up for the primaries? I think by November a good number of them will have either become disillusioned or simply with have "more important things to do than vote" on election day.

Obama's coalitions are somewhat limited and fragile. This election won't be over until election day or after, even with the msm doing all they can to throw this election to Obama.

The key is whether or not Obama can win the crucial swing states. As of this moment I'd say no. He has a far greater number of votes at stake in those states than does McCain, making him considerably more vulnerable to voter defection.

The debates that are forthcoming will be extremely important.

YES! Well put, Grumpy.

66 greenmiler  6/07/08 10:45:00 am reply quote

re: #54 David IV of Georgia

Where is Rather? He's an expert on frequencies.

You have to beat him though, and Charles did that a few years ago

67 katemaclaren  6/07/08 10:45:00 am reply quote

I think that Hillary will hold out for a Supreme Court nomination.

68 wolfie  6/07/08 10:45:03 am reply quote

re: #27 David IV of Georgia

McCain needs to get busy. Many of the hillaryites will think this speech was bought by Obamamess. too.

He needs to convince them that he stands for what Hillary stands for. Not too hard in his case.

WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE SMOKING ?
The last thing in the world he needs to do is to move left.

69 ContraJihadi  6/07/08 10:45:11 am reply quote

re: #44 unrealizedviewpoint

And the Democrats have the gall to chide the executives of oil companies over the high price of gasoline?

70 brickthruplateglasswindow  6/07/08 10:45:15 am reply quote

re: #35 chicagodudewhotrades

oooooh, i like the sound of obama/kuncinich. the poliitical cartoon guys would have a field day drawing those 2 up

All the cartoons would have to be done in landscape to make room for their ears.

71 Dr. Shalit  6/07/08 10:45:21 am reply quote

re: #51 mbruce

What is scarier still is her vying for a Supreme Court position in the Obama world. Then she can screw us till she dies.

"mb" -

SEE - Mr. PHIL A. BUSTER!

-S-

72 chicagodudewhotrades  6/07/08 10:45:27 am reply quote

re: #46 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Hate to be cynical, but the 'youth' vote never shows up on election day, if Obama loses a lot of ex-hillery women, he's sunk

73 vagabond trader  6/07/08 10:45:45 am reply quote

re: #15 realwest

Good point, turn the tables on the I am woman BS.

74 Kosh's Shadow  6/07/08 10:45:47 am reply quote

re: #4 vagabond trader

McCain needs to get busy wooing the disaffected Hilleroids.


He is. And he has Lieberman helping.
I received this email (excerpts below):


To: Fellow McCain Supporters
From: Senator Joe Lieberman
Date: June 5th, 2008

Today, I asked Senator McCain if I could create and chair a new grassroots organization, "Citizens for McCain."

Citizens for McCain is an organization within the McCain campaign for people who put country before political party and support the candidate for President who has a proven record of bipartisanship.

As you know, I caucus with the Democrats as a United States Senator and was the Democrat Party's nominee for Vice-President of the United States against President Bush and Vice President Cheney.

But first and foremost, I am an American. I have an obligation to do what I think is best for our nation regardless of political party. My love for this country and strong belief in John McCain's character, judgment, and willingness to work with leaders of both parties has convinced me to support him for President.

I have worked with John McCain for many years in the U.S. Senate and know from experience that he can unite Democrats, Republicans and Independents like no one else in this country. He did it in the United States Senate and he can do it as President of the United States.

But we need help from McCain supporters such as you to reach out to Americans who are not currently involved in the campaign. Will you help us by recruiting your friends, family, and co-workers who may not consider themselves members of the Republican Party and ask them to join the Citizens for McCain organization?

I am confident we will find many Democrats and Independents who, like John McCain and me, put country before political party and will support a leader with a real record of bipartisanship.

Time and time again John McCain has put his country first. He refused early release when he was held captive in Vietnam. He continued to put his country first as a national leader in the U.S. Senate. He put country before party when he fought to pass campaign finance reform, sought a bi-partisan solution to the immigration problem, and consistently supported pro-environment policies. His courage to stand up to the failed Iraq war plan of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and lead the fight for a new strategy in Iraq will go down in history, and it saved American lives. These were not always the easy things to do. In fact, they were usually very difficult, and often threatened his political career. But John McCain did what was right.

He said it best in his speech in New Orleans on Tuesday night:

"(The American people) know I have a long record of bipartisan problem solving. They've seen me put our country before any President -- before any party -- before any special interest -- before my own interest. They might think me an imperfect servant of our country, which I surely am. But I am her servant first, last and always."

The phones at the campaign headquarters have been ringing with disaffected Democrats calling to say they believe Senator McCain has the experience, judgment, and bipartisanship necessary to lead our country in these difficult times. Many of these supporters are former supporters of Senator Clinton.

(stuff deleted)

I am proud to call John McCain my friend and ask you to help our friend become the next President of the United States.

Please forward this email to your lists today and ask your friends, family, and coworkers who do not consider themselves Republicans to join me in filling out the Citizens for McCain form today.

Thank you for your willingness to help me expand this new organization. Together, we will make history.

75 katemaclaren  6/07/08 10:45:51 am reply quote

re: #58 mikeinmd

You're right. Who's cackling now ?

Oops, you beat me to the draw. (falling over)

76 unrealizedviewpoint  6/07/08 10:45:53 am reply quote

re: #45 galloping granny

We decided to put $99 into the lawn mower - bought an old fashioned kid powered kind that doesn't take any gas.

Don't give the dems any new ideas. Before ya know it they'll outlaw gas powered lawnmowers or mandate hybrids on us.

77 galloping granny  6/07/08 10:45:53 am reply quote

re: #58 mikeinmd

You're right. Who's cackling now ?

Hillary does not have the legal background for a seat on the Supremes. Hasn't been a practicing attorney in years, never been a judge.

78 Macker  6/07/08 10:45:55 am reply quote

Hope! Change! Waffles for All!

79 realwest  6/07/08 10:45:59 am reply quote

re: #40 winston06
Me too, but I'd still rather have her as POTOUS than Obama.
And, although I didn't - couldn't really bring myself to listen - I'm not sure she didn't emphasize the Gender angle as much as she could and should have.
Everyone on Obama's side (and that includes especially Howard Dean and the MSM) have been arguing the race issue right out of the gate; Hillary should have been doing the same thing on the Gender card.

80 chinesearithmetic  6/07/08 10:46:15 am reply quote

the low ceiling in this room really accentuates the low frequencies

Kenneth could not be rathed for comment.

81 ContraJihadi  6/07/08 10:46:25 am reply quote

re: #59 Sharmuta

That's not his problem.

Sad but true.

82 itellu3times  6/07/08 10:46:42 am reply quote

In earnest of her new position, Hillary will wear a burqah from now through November. At least.

83 hermeneutics  6/07/08 10:46:52 am reply quote

re: #68 wolfie

He is simply moving left for the election, not his presidency, Wolfie. He is who he is. We can't change his essential outlook anyway. We can, though, make sure he wins the election.

He can promise a bunny in every mailbox, for all I care.

84 JamesTKirk  6/07/08 10:46:54 am reply quote

re: #68 wolfie

WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE SMOKING ?
The last thing in the world he needs to do is to move left.

He doesn't have much room left to move that way in any case.

85 galloping granny  6/07/08 10:46:58 am reply quote

re: #64 razorbacker

That's nice. But I don't have time or muscles to reel mow 7 acres.

We don't have that much - only about 1.5 acres. Put most of that into garden that does not have to be mowed.

86 Kosh's Shadow  6/07/08 10:47:28 am reply quote

re: #22 The Shadow Do

Well, now that she is toast, we need a dream team II

Obama/Sharpton
or
Obama/Kucinich
or

/feel free to brainstorm here

Obama/Ahmadinejad

As long as it is NOT Obama/Clinton.
That could bring in her supporters. McCain needs them.

87 hermeneutics  6/07/08 10:47:30 am reply quote

re: #74 Kosh's Shadow

Wow!

88 The Shadow Do  6/07/08 10:47:45 am reply quote

re: #51 mbruce

What is scarier still is her vying for a Supreme Court position in the Obama world. Then she can screw us till she dies.

Won't happen. She is not far enough to the left. She does not qualify.

89 looking closely  6/07/08 10:47:48 am reply quote

From her *personal* perspective, the best thing that can happen is that Obama loses the election.

Not only does that give Hilary "I told you so" rights, it also lets her run again in 2012.

If Obama wins, then he'll be the incumbent in 2012 and she'll be frozen out until 2016. . .at which point she will be 69 years old.

90 rawmuse  6/07/08 10:48:18 am reply quote

I once ran for an office (supervisor) and lost by 13 votes. It is not a good feeling. Part of me feels sorry for her. An admittedly small part, but still...

91 Dr. Shalit  6/07/08 10:48:41 am reply quote

re: #45 galloping granny

We decided to put $99 into the lawn mower - bought an old fashioned kid powered kind that doesn't take any gas.

Granny -

I ran one of those well past my Bar Mitzvah at home. Used the Gas powered one to make money.

-S-

92 katemaclaren  6/07/08 10:48:51 am reply quote

re: #77 galloping granny

Hillary does not have the legal background for a seat on the Supremes. Hasn't been a practicing attorney in years, never been a judge.

Whew! Could she start practicing until the moment of opportunity?

93 itellu3times  6/07/08 10:48:57 am reply quote

re: #84 JamesTKirk

He doesn't have much room left to move that way in any case.

Lady at the train station asks the conductor, "Which way do I go for the train to Philadelphia?"
Conductor says, "Go to the left and you'll be right."
Lady says, "Sir, are you being impertinent?"
Conductor says, "OK, lady, go to the right and you'll be left"

94 unrealizedviewpoint  6/07/08 10:49:05 am reply quote

re: #69 ContraJihadi

And the Democrats have the gall to chide the executives of oil companies over the high price of gasoline?

Threats of take-over, nationalization, socialization. Go to the video tape. Anyone got it?

95 Sharmuta  6/07/08 10:49:29 am reply quote

McCain has been well situated in the middle for years. If he wants to shore up the base, he only needs to pick a good conservative as his VP.

96 katemaclaren  6/07/08 10:49:33 am reply quote

re: #89 looking closely

From her *personal* perspective, the best thing that can happen is that Obama loses the election.

Not only does that give Hilary "I told you so" rights, it also lets her run again in 2012.

If Obama wins, then he'll be the incumbent in 2012 and she'll be frozen out until 2016. . .at which point she will be 69 years old.

Well, we'll see how often she can "damn him with faint praise."

97 Kosh's Shadow  6/07/08 10:49:37 am reply quote

re: #37 hermeneutics

Sorry, missed it.

You are so right. The silence is deafening. Where the heck is McCain? Perhaps the MSM won't give him any time?

I think it is the MSM ignoring him. They've already crowned Obama the God Emperor of the US and the Messiah, and no one else gets much press.

98 razorbacker  6/07/08 10:49:38 am reply quote

re: #85 galloping granny

We don't have that much - only about 1.5 acres. Put most of that into garden that does not have to be mowed.

If you'd ever tried to plow Ozarks hillsides you'd be laughing at that, too.

99 itellu3times  6/07/08 10:49:54 am reply quote

re: #95 Sharmuta

McCain has been well situated in the middle for years. If he wants to shore up the base, he only needs to pick a good conservative as his VP.

If.

100 realwest  6/07/08 10:49:58 am reply quote

re: #67 katemaclaren
Would YOU trust an Obama promise to nominate her to SCOTUS, especially when there are currently no vacancies?!

101 OldNuc  6/07/08 10:50:02 am reply quote

Ralph Nader is going to get a lot of votes, I bet

102 hermeneutics  6/07/08 10:50:23 am reply quote

re: #95 Sharmuta

Agreed, Sharmuta. And if he wants to WIN the election, he both needs to pick a conservatve VP AND stay/move to the center to pick up more votes.

103 Colonel Panik  6/07/08 10:50:25 am reply quote

re: #56 hermeneutics

Wolfie! Its the general election now, not the primaries/caucuses. McCain needs to positon himself in the middle to win. If he massages his base, he'll lose those votes. His base will eventually resign themselves to vote for him ... at least most of them. Few will be lost.

Just playing the numbers game, McCain needs those Hill voters in blue states. Many of them vote in battleground states. Important, no?

I want him to win this election. Whatever it takes.

McCain needs to appeal to conservative leaning ethnics in Blue states who will be leery of Obama's socialism and connection to radical Black nationalism: Vietnamese and other Asian Americans, Hispanics, East Europeans.

Maybe I'm being overly optimistic here but I think if he does well enough with Asian Americans and Hispanics it could even put California in play.

104 AmeriDan  6/07/08 10:50:26 am reply quote

re: #68 wolfie

"The last thing in the world he needs to do is to move left."

He's already there IMHO. A much saner democrat than most, but still a dem.

/yes, I'm voting for him anyway.

105 itellu3times  6/07/08 10:50:31 am reply quote

re: #101 OldNuc

Ralph Nader is going to get a lot of votes, I bet

Sure, if he runs as a woman.

106 godfrey  6/07/08 10:50:47 am reply quote

re: #46 really grumpy big dog Johnson

The debates are important but only within a limited set of questions. In swing states, I can't imagine that "vast bipartisan experience" will lose to "tiny and fringe inexperience." Swing voters are looking for the most sensible, middle of the road option. They're not ideologues. Thus, McCain has the advantage with them, and for good reasons.

The debates will be important for answering questions about McCain's presidentiality. Will he throw tantrums? Will he come across as a likeable guy? Will he be overly combative? Will he just mouth some stupid platitudes and expect people to "just vote for him," like Bob Dole? I think McCain should come out and really talk like a centrist, and to bring up not the Vietnam stuff but his actual work experience.

He'll clean up the swing votes. McCain in a landslide. Obama's candidacy will make everyone feel good about being American, because a young successful black guy is competing at the top level -- but they'll also feel good that hey, if he doesn't win now, then whatever, he's young, he'll be around again when he has more experience.

And that will give the GOP time to bring up their A-list youngsters, like Jindal, whose accomplishments far outshine a machine product like Obama.

107 Sharmuta  6/07/08 10:50:57 am reply quote

re: #99 itellu3times

Well- I think Senator McCain has wanted the Presidency just as much as Senator Clinton. I think now that things are settled- he'll fight for it.

108 JamesTKirk  6/07/08 10:51:13 am reply quote

re: #105 itellu3times

Sure, if he runs as a woman.

He is. Cynthia McKinney is Green Party candidate this time.

109 Sharmuta  6/07/08 10:51:19 am reply quote

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