They're already moving to McCain. Awesome.

Let's HOPE they don't CHANGE their minds!

And they turn on their own.

Good times.

That comment doesn't seem mean or extra gun hugging.

Sounds bitter too me.

I've said it before, and still firmly believe it. Obama has no chance at winning.

Nice move, Democrats. In 2012, why don't you pick a candidate who doesn't suck?

No Obama - We will not forget or forgive - We will not "fall in line" - We will not drink the KOOLAID!

You go guys and gals!

Hill should run as an independent.
/crosses fingers

re: #6 Noam Sayin'

I've said it before, and still firmly believe it. Obama has no chance at winning.

Nice move, Democrats. In 2012, why don't you pick a candidate who doesn't suck?

But it's worked so well for them in the past.

/

I am now a registered Republican in a show of defiance, our family ended our lifelong democratic party affliation on Friday and became Republicans.

YEAH! Down with Dear Leader!

I gained a lot of respect for Hillary during her fight against this dreadful Obama, I don't blame them a bit. They started with a better opinion of her than I had as mine is a grudging admiration.

I could sleep soundly with a Clinton in the White House, did it for 8 years. Obama IS the company he keeps no matter how much he denies them and no matter how much subterfuge the press engages in. I do not trust him. Many seem to feel the same way.

I made my first McCain contribution today, via paypal. I feel good about this and will offer to answer phones, stuff envelopes, shine his shoes to prevent an Obama presidency.

I smell an Electoral landslide coming.

It's a loong time 'til November.

LMAO! Look at this chain:

BO..........

wants our email...........No Way

*Well, now they have my email

Will have to change it -immediately.

*email

You can always unsubscribe to any email you receive.

*Yep.

I'll report it as "junk".

a typical democrat?

re: #12 rawmuse

i hope so

re: #9 AmeriDan

good point. Look at Dem's canddates since LBJ
Kerry- boring
Gore- same
Clinton- good choice
Dukakis- yeah nice one
Mondale- Where's the Beef?
Carter
McGovern
Humphrey
One good choice in 40 years! how inept can a party be?

I will not support Obama.

She/he's not going to be the only one.

This just proves it. No honor among thieves.

"1. trace your hands on an 8x11 sheet of paper
2. write your name and city/state in the center of your hands.
3. above the hands, write: "These hands are on the front lines of democracy and they continue to work for Hillary."
4. below the hands, write: "I am one of 18 million. Hillary for President 2008"

put it in an envelope and send it off to the DNC.

by Susan in WA State at 6/7/2008 1:55:58 PM

That'll show'em. Preach on sister!

re: #2 VegasRick

Let's HOPE they don't CHANGE their minds!

They've got 150 days to do just that.
Remember who the enemy is?
It ain't the other one who is also trying to pass out all the free stuff.

re: #10 Sharmuta

YEAH! Down with Dear Leader!

Sharm -

Finally made the change to vote for ROMNEY in the NJ Pres. Primary, not that other one this past week. Was mentally wrenching. Socio-Ethnic thingy. Oh well, that's over and I'm still alive and well.

-S-

OT: Fascist sympathizers are sending me more angry email, for posting that picture of Pat Buchanan with the Vlaams Belang leaders.

The more and more normal rational people get to know Obama, the less likely they will be to vote for him in November. Plain and simple.

re: #22 Dr. Shalit

I was a Romney NJ voter too. I would walk across burning coals to vote for McCain now.

Think P.O.F.

Pennsylvania
Ohio
Florida

McCain wins those and there's nothing that the Messiah can do but ... Hope!

Uh-oh...looks like the Hillary supporters are not going to drink that Kool-aid.

re: #25 SpartanWoman

I was a Romney NJ voter too. I would walk across burning coals to vote for McCain now.

You have the nic for walking across burning coals!

re: #23 Charles

OT: Fascist sympathizers are sending me more angry email, for posting that picture of Pat Buchanan with the Vlaams Belang leaders.

Are they upset you're tarnishing vlaams belang with pat, or upset you're tarnishing pat with vlamms belang?

I'll post this again:

I know an aide to a lobbyist in Washington who is a young gay black man who is also a lifelong democrat. He was asked what he thought of Obama and he said and I quote "He's the Devil".

re: #23 Charles

OT: Fascist sympathizers are sending me more angry email, for posting that picture of Pat Buchanan with the Vlaams Belang leaders.

Someone else posted a saying: Throw a rock into a pack of wolves; the one that yelps is the one that got hit.

First mistake the dems made was nominating BHO as their candidate for 2008, second mistake the cap and trade bill the dem wits are trying to push through at a time when gas is at an all time high. I do believe that they've realized too late that their candidate is a empty suit but they like the Republicans are stuck with who we've got. This years presidential candidates remind me of that line from the Simon and Garfunkel song "laugh about it when you've got to choose, either way you look at it you lose" BHO is a disaster, JMc is not conservative but at least he's less of a mess than BHO.

re: #23 Charles

OT: Fascist sympathizers are sending me more angry email, for posting that picture of Pat Buchanan with the Vlaams Belang leaders.

Gotta hate those fascist sympathizers! You are a brave man to publish what you do, Charles.

Many thanks

re: #17 CheatyPantsMcSweatervest

That's a scary rollcall, alright.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

re: #215 committed

Take a look at the comments on Hillary's website.

[Link: blog.hillaryclinton.com...]

Hillary................................. .........

We support you FOREVER!

BUT we will NEVER support BO! He doesn't deserve it! He stole it! NEVER means NEVER!

Also, we will FOREVER remember what BO, his nasty supporters, MSM, & the UNdemocratic DNC did in this election.

McCain 08!

Hillary 2012!

Good stuff, but you have to consider it in context.
Who the hell posts on the Hillary campaign site, but the most diehard partisan Clinton fans?
There are still months before the election, and most of the ones supporting Clinton will eventually gravitate towards Obama. The fact is, Hilary and Obama's platforms are essentially identical, with the sole difference of Obama being more appeasement-oriented in foreign policy.

Still, with the Dem party being split nearly exactly evenly between Clinton and Obama, if even 10% of the Clinton voters defect from her to McCain, that could be enough to tip close states and swing the election.

re: #29 Sharmuta

Are they upset you're tarnishing vlaams belang with pat, or upset you're tarnishing pat with vlamms belang?

[Link: tundratabloid.blogspot.com...]

re: #23 Charles

OT: Fascist sympathizers are sending me more angry email, for posting that picture of Pat Buchanan with the Vlaams Belang leaders.

Nice photo. They looked so relaxed sitting together.

Looks like some more Operation Chaos success...

I am sure a good number of Clinton supporters will vote McCain or abstain, but many who say they will never vote Obama will do just that at crunch time.

re: #23 Charles

How does that work in their minds?

Is it that the deny the events in the picture? Or that it implies something that they don't know to be true (and support)? Or is it that they don't like the truth getting out?

re: #11 SpartanWoman

Me, too.

Though being in California, I could probably save myself the effort.

Obama's credentials and friends will mobilize Republicans like never before. Obama makes Hillary almost look reasonable. ALMOST.

I never thought I'd say this, but I'm impressed with Hillary supporters. At least they can see through the Obama Myth.

re: #30 bellamags

I'll post this again:

I know an aide to a lobbyist in Washington who is a young gay black man who is also a lifelong democrat. He was asked what he thought of Obama and he said and I quote "He's the Devil".

Did he elaborate as to why he thinks that?

re: #36 Charles

Thanks- that's what I figured.

re: #11 SpartanWoman

I gained a lot of respect for Hillary during her fight against this dreadful Obama, I don't blame them a bit. They started with a better opinion of her than I had as mine is a grudging admiration.

I could sleep soundly with a Clinton in the White House, did it for 8 years. Obama IS the company he keeps no matter how much he denies them and no matter how much subterfuge the press engages in. I do not trust him. Many seem to feel the same way.

I made my first McCain contribution today, via paypal. I feel good about this and will offer to answer phones, stuff envelopes, shine his shoes to prevent an Obama presidency.

Good for you! This is the first time I am actively going to get involved in a campaign. I noticed when I went to an Obama rally that the workers were signing up mostly students to vote by absentee ballot, knowing that students probably won't be inconvenienced come election day and actually go vote. Now they can just mail that vote in. Smart strategy. McCain ought to do the same with the older crowd.

re: #39 karmic_inquisitor

Or is it that they don't like the truth getting out?

Bingo.

re: #40 Dianna

Me, too.

Though being in California, I could probably save myself the effort.

I'm from NJ, but I would despise myself if I failed to vote this year.

re: #21 unrealizedviewpoint

They've got 150 days to do just that.
Remember who the enemy is?
It ain't the other one who is also trying to pass out all the free stuff.

We need to keep reminding those people that obambi "stole her show!".

re: #23 Charles

Pat Buchanan surprised me, I never thought he would support the horrors that Hitler and his thugs brought upon the world.

What a POS.

#'s 25 and 28

Thankfully I won't have to walk across "Burning Coals" to vote for "Cactus Jack" McCain - Only across the street, in November, when the asphalt in Asbury Park, NJ is COOL.

-S-

re: #23 Charles

Should we send out for the waaahmbulance?

Also, why does the MSM not imply that those Clinton supporters are racist, as they do for McCain (or other candidates NOT named Obama) supporters.

Just a thought...

re: #23 Charles

OT: Fascist sympathizers are sending me more angry email, for posting that picture of Pat Buchanan with the Vlaams Belang leaders.

Dumbasses.
You're just the "messenger".
They should be angry with either themselves or Buchanan.

This sounds to me like the conservatives who say they won’t vote for McCain to ”punish” the republican party; personally, that always seemed to me too much like the identity politics of the dems. But I understand the frustration of the women; just like our conservatives, they’ve been good party loyalists who are being taken for granted because the party believes they have nowhere else to go.

When it comes down to it, where else do they (and we) have to go? Somebody could win big by tapping into the frustration and sense of abandonment of the cons and women; it remains to be seen if McCain has the sense to do that.

re: #54 looking closely

Dumbasses.
You're just the "messenger".
They should be angry with either themselves or Buchanan.

Or with vlaams belang.

re: #53 psyop

Also, why does the MSM not imply that those Clinton supporters are racist, as they do for McCain (or other candidates NOT named Obama) supporters.

Just a thought...

I know I know!
Could it be the (D) beside their Names?

I read some of the comments... Man, Liberals are so attracted to the "personality."

The view politics through the same lens as a pro wrestling fanatic.

These are some enormously stupid mohterf*****s

Now watch the McCain blog for defecting Hillary supporters

I just bought gas at a "gas war" for $3.63 and across the street was $3.56, but judged the longer lines and stupid driver antics as not worth it.

If this keeps up, who is gonna vote for Obama and his party's ever more obvious delight that we are saving the planet by being unable to drive to work... or no longer having work to drive to?

re: #54 looking closely

Dumbasses.
You're just the "messenger".
They should be angry with either themselves or Buchanan.

Hey! No fair using logic and reason! That is uncalled for in todays political discourse!

/sarc

re: #36 Charles

"simply being overly simplistic and cavalier"

Rotating title nomination.

I'll believe it when I see it. When push comes to shove, I still think these fools will support Obama. Ugh.

Dang! My comp spasmed or something and I ended up posting this on the last thread . . . 'scuzzi, please.

=======================
Blue on blue!
Circular firing squad!
Political"ethnic cleansing"

w00t!

BTW: anyone know where "w00t" came from?

From the McCain blog:

Hi there! Well, you've got yourself another Hillary supporter switching over to John McCain. I'm not ready to call myself a Republican yet, but I did leave the Democrat party and after educating myself about John McCain I think I could vote for him. Of course my first choice is Hillary Clinton but if that's not going to happen then I will be voting for John McCain. I was told we were being welcomed here so I hope that's true and I look forward to learning more about John McCain.

re: #43 karmic_inquisitor

No. I do know that he feels some blacks are easily lead down wrong paths by the likes of Jesse Jackson, rap music and their own hate for white people.

Next time I see him I will ask him to elaborate:)

Ah, people say things like that and the next thing you know, they're getting married.

I'd raise an eyebrow if they were saying, in droves, that they'd vote for McCain before BHO.

re: #51 Dr. Shalit

Reply to Self -

OK all of you ex and current NJ Residents. My polling place is the former site of the "MONTE CARLO POOL and BEACH CLUB" - whaddabout that?

-S-

re: #49 ploome hineni

"

and may not support this lying marxist with the American hating wif and black power entourage"

I hope and pray that is a true statement.

Pretty smart of the White House to come with the oil is going to ruin the global economy as the radar shined on Hillary.

re: #57 CheatyPantsMcSweatervest

I know I know!
Could it be the (D) beside their Names?

No, that couldn't be it. Not from our wonderful unbiased and totally non-partisan media. They are merely "observers", relating to us hard facts and letting us hash out the nuances...

I am feeling very sarcastic today, must be the weather...

re: #47 SpartanWoman

Yes!

Even if there's no one you want to vote for, there's usually something you want to vote against. This year, it's about as important as it's ever been.

re: #30 bellamags

I'll post this again:

I know an aide to a lobbyist in Washington who is a young gay black man who is also a lifelong democrat. He was asked what he thought of Obama and he said and I quote "He's the Devil".

There are more than a few who think just exactly that.

re: #60 Capitalist Tool

I just bought gas at a "gas war" for $3.63 and across the street was $3.56, but judged the longer lines and stupid driver antics as not worth it.

If this keeps up, who is gonna vote for Obama and his party's ever more obvious delight that we are saving the planet by being unable to drive to work... or no longer having work to drive to?

Will gas prices rising ever-higher, and with oil just hitting a record new high price yesterday, this ought to be a winning issue at the polls.

All McCain has to do is tout "safe" coal and "environmentally friendly" domestic oil drilling, and he should have a winner.

re: #73 galloping granny

Lets hope granny ;)

What a dumbass at Tundra. That's not a link to the vb party platform- it's a link to CVF where it's again not linked to the vb party platform.

re: #50 Maximu§

Pat Buchanan surprised me, I never thought he would support the horrors that Hitler and his thugs brought upon the world.

What a POS.

Puking Pat will never rid himself of his lunatic bile. He is a totally disoriented individual and his prominence says much about the ignorance of his supporters.

#55 Dave in NYC

When it comes down to it, where else do they (and we) have to go? Somebody could win big by tapping into the frustration and sense of abandonment of the cons and women; it remains to be seen if McCain has the sense to do that.

McCain is a known quantity in my book. He has thrown the conservative wing of the Republican party under the bus time and time again. I personally don't like his brand of politics, too wimpy and noodle spined for me. I'll vote for him because the idea of either BHO or the Clintonator getting into office sends chills down my spine. I'll have to take a long bath afterward to wash the stink off but I'll vote for JMc...reluctantly

re: #45 ciaospirit

Good for you! This is the first time I am actively going to get involved in a campaign. I noticed when I went to an Obama rally that the workers were signing up mostly students to vote by absentee ballot, knowing that students probably won't be inconvenienced come election day and actually go vote. Now they can just mail that vote in. Smart strategy. McCain ought to do the same with the older crowd.

While we were sleeping soundly with clinton in the white house, our enemies were ratcheting up their terrorism operations and executing thousands of innocents. Clinton - both of them - are missing a conscience. I'm so glad the anniversary of 911 is in September, October would be even better.

re: #74 looking closely

Will gas prices rising ever-higher, and with oil just hitting a record new high price yesterday, this ought to be a winning issue at the polls.

All McCain has to do is tout "safe" coal and "environmentally friendly" domestic oil drilling, and he should have a winner.

Drill here. Drill now!

re: #80 VegasRick

Drill here. Drill now!

I second that!

re: #23 Charles

Charles, just delete it. I can't imagine you give a damn what they say

Let's not gloat about this.

A lot of these Hillary supporters will vote for Obama when it comes down to it, just to prevent "a third Bush term". Let them believe an Obama presidency is inevitable, so they can safely stay home.

re: #70 akak

akak -

Until further notice, I consider GWB to be Honorably Semi-Retired. Same thing happened to "Billy-Jeff" 8 years ago - though not as honorably.

-S-

re: #50 Maximu�

Pat Buchanan surprised me, I never thought he would support the horrors that Hitler and his thugs brought upon the world.

What a POS.

I have said for many years now that the political spectrum is not a straight line, it is a circle. If you travel far enough left or far enough right you come to a place where the two become indistinguishable.

See ya later fellow lizardoids.
Back to the salt mines...

re: #32 redheadredstate

First mistake the dems made was nominating BHO as their candidate for 2008, second mistake the cap and trade bill the dem wits are trying to push through at a time when gas is at an all time high. I do believe that they've realized too late that their candidate is a empty suit but they like the Republicans are stuck with who we've got. This years presidential candidates remind me of that line from the Simon and Garfunkel song "laugh about it when you've got to choose, either way you look at it you lose" BHO is a disaster, JMc is not conservative but at least he's less of a mess than BHO.

bumper sticker material:
Vote McCain!
He's less of a mess than Obama!

I think Congress should put more money in flux compacitor research. then we'll just need to rip off plutonium from Libyan Nationals to power our motor vehicles.

re: #85 galloping granny

I have said for many years now that the political spectrum is not a straight line, it is a circle. If you travel far enough left or far enough right you come to a place where the two become indistinguishable.

Deep, and very true. A ding for you.

re: #80 VegasRick

Hey Vegas! I have been telling all of my clients and customers to go to the website and sign the petition no matter what political philosophy they may practice. We all need to get everyone to sign the petition on Newts site.

Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay Less

re: #30 bellamags

I'll post this again:

I know an aide to a lobbyist in Washington who is a young gay black man who is also a lifelong democrat. He was asked what he thought of Obama and he said and I quote "He's the Devil".

To me calling him "the Devil" is not any different than calling him the "lightbringer" ("lucifer"?).

I see Obama as a particularly dangerous combination of charisma, ignorance, and hubris.

re: #84 Dr. Shalit

akak -

Until further notice, I consider GWB to be Honorably Semi-Retired. Same thing happened to "Billy-Jeff" 8 years ago - though not as honorably.

-S-

I agree though he said jihad after the announcement not to say jihad, so there may be hope.

New post.

In your face, fascists.

re: #91 looking closely

In context, I don't think thats what he meant ;)

I hope Obama lives a long, healthy life.

And I hope that every single day of that life he asks himself, "Why, oh why, didn't the American people vote for me?"

And I'm gone. I don't exactly know what I'm going to do, but I'm going to do it in sunshine and fresh air.

re: #85 galloping granny

"g-g" -

Pat Buchanan, as do some others, confuse the idea of USA First with USA Un-Prepared. And that is giving Pat somewhat of a pass.

-S-

re: #50 Maximu§

Pat Buchanan surprised me, I never thought he would support the horrors that Hitler and his thugs brought upon the world.

What a POS.

Pat Buchanan has been a fascist sympathiser since he was a kid. Father Coughlin, a clerical fascist "America Firster" was one of his early influences.

re: #23 Charles

Amazing what happens when you shine sunlight into the dark corners. The cockroaches scurry around.

re: #87 MarineMomSue

bumper sticker material:
Vote McCain!
He's less of a mess than Obama!

One thing you can say for McCain - he has served this nation with honor every day since he was 17 years old. I don't agree with all of his positions on everything by a long shot, but I don't believe that he will throw our country under the bus.

re: #89 AmeriDan

Deep, and very true. A ding for you.

Make that 2...well said Granny!

Just a sample from the link:

Crossing Party Lines In Nov
I am still a registered Democrat, but will br crossing party lines in November to vote for John McCain, as will most of my fellow Pennsylvanians.

McCain 2008
Hillary 2012

Mart in PA

Yep. I'll Venture to say this has the makings of a Wipeout.

re: #1 Sharmuta

They're already moving to McCain. Awesome.

Bob Beckel on FoxNews just said things will turn around by election day, and they'll be back in the fold.

New thread --------->

re: #53 psyop

Also, why does the MSM not imply that those Clinton supporters are racist, as they do for McCain (or other candidates NOT named Obama) supporters.

Just a thought...

Well, it depends what you mean by a "Hillary supporter." If you mean the folks who just love the Hildebeast, you've got a point. But if you mean the average Democrat who voted for her, the MSM was all over their supposed racism. Think WVA, KY, PA, even Ohio.......the bitter and the clingy, y'no.

re: #91 looking closely

To me calling him "the Devil" is not any different than calling him the "lightbringer" ("lucifer"?).

I see Obama as a particularly dangerous combination of charisma, ignorance, and hubris.

That is actually a pretty direct translation - Lucifer --------> lightbringer.

re: #102 reine.de.tout

Bob Beckel on FoxNews just said things will turn around by election day, and they'll be back in the fold.

He's hoping.

re: #90 bellamags

Hey Vegas! I have been telling all of my clients and customers to go to the website and sign the petition no matter what political philosophy they may practice. We all need to get everyone to sign the petition on Newts site.

Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay Less

Thanks for the link, I just signed it. 411,636 signatures already.

re: #93 Charles

New post.

In your face, fascists.

Most outsiders who think LGF's are Fascist don't realize that we Lizards HATE the Fascists on the Far-Right as much as we HATE the Fascist on the Far-left.

re: #106 galloping granny

He's hoping.

Of course. What's he going to say "We're screwed"?

re: #102 reine.de.tout

Bob Beckel on FoxNews just said things will turn around by election day, and they'll be back in the fold.

Beckel may be right about the elite Hillary supporters, alhtough I'd guess some of them WILL stay home and maybe 5 or 10 % will go for McCain.

But if he's talking about all the blue-collar, Joe-average folks who voted for Hillary in the primaries, he's dead wrong. A LOT of those votes were anti-Obama.
McCain will get a lot of them.

re: #102 reine.de.tout

Bob Beckel on FoxNews just said things will turn around by election day, and they'll be back in the fold.

Bob Beckel is known as a liberal political commentator, and is probably an Obama fan, as well as a whore chaser.

re: #102 reine.de.tout

Bob Beckel on FoxNews just said things will turn around by election day, and they'll be back in the fold.

Bob Beckel is despicable. He truly hates Hillary Clinton. He said that more than 94% of Clinton voters would vote for Obama. The guy is totally into the messiah.

He's an idiot, did I say that yet? The chances of 14 out of 15 Hillary supporters voting for Obama are so low, it's less than zero.

johnny mac could pick up the votes of twenty million women, if he plays it right. he's already positioned in the center; he needs to talk about how wonderful HRC is , and offer her something. he considered running on the same ticket as john f'in kerry.

re: #112 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Bob Beckel is despicable. He truly hates Hillary Clinton. He said that more than 94% of Clinton voters would vote for Obama. The guy is totally into the messiah.

He's an idiot, did I say that yet? The chances of 14 out of 15 Hillary supporters voting for Obama are so low, it's less than zero.

I hope you're right.

re: #109 solomonpanting

Of course. What's he going to say "We're screwed"?

ROFLMAO! Actually, I think in a lot of ways it is too bad the talking heads are minimizing this. The time to catch an infection is when you first notice the symptoms. If you wait till the red streak is running up your arm, you might very well die.

Did you notice the folks talking about time to end the Democrat party on that thread?

re: #114 reine.de.tout

I hope you're right.

I know I'm not wrong, if that means anything.

re: #88 CheatyPantsMcSweatervest

I think Congress should put more money in flux compacitor research. then we'll just need to rip off plutonium from Libyan Nationals to power our motor vehicles.

Sayyyyyyyyyyyy. I've had that same idea way in the back of my head for quite a long time.

re: #110 wolfie

Beckel may be right about the elite Hillary supporters, alhtough I'd guess some of them WILL stay home and maybe 5 or 10 % will go for McCain.

But if he's talking about all the blue-collar, Joe-average folks who voted for Hillary in the primaries, he's dead wrong. A LOT of those votes were anti-Obama.
McCain will get a lot of them.

An awful lot of the "elite" Hillary supporters that have not already defected are women and they are hopping mad. I wouldn't expect them to roll over for Barry any time soon.

It's hard to imagine Obama even being competitive in the election under normal circumstances. However, if the stars align just right--if there is some kind of economic catastrophe-- that's another story.

The probability of an extreme economic event prior the election is not that remote. In the confusion

What G. Bush's mistake was, was, sticking with the 'long war strategy' too long. Thats been changed. We have a surge on two fronts that are working. Allied forces have started to engage in Afghanistan. Even France is sending 700 more troops for both engagement and trainuing purposes.
Showing a virtual winning hand in the wars will be great for the Repups in November.
However, the supreme courts and federal court judgeships are the overwelming reason that this election will be wwiii in political terms.
McCains' Mr. Niceguy approach scares me. Does he really have the passion and fire in the gut to pull this off? And, do average Repulicans and Conservatives have the 'Audacity of Hope'?

re: #112 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Bob Beckel is despicable. He truly hates Hillary Clinton. He said that more than 94% of Clinton voters would vote for Obama. The guy is totally into the messiah.

He's an idiot, did I say that yet? The chances of 14 out of 15 Hillary supporters voting for Obama are so low, it's less than zero.

Most of the people who voted for Hillary in the primaries could hardly be described as "Hillary supporters."
Case in point: I happened to be up in WVA driving the back roads the weekend before the WVA primary. There were lots of campaign signs all around. I probably saw a couple of thousand of them. But they were all for local candidates. In the whole bunch I saw exactly two presidential ones.......2 tiny Hillary signs. As you know the state went over-whelmingly for Hillary in the primary. But that doesn't means WVA was enthusiastic about her.

If Beckel thinks 94% of the average Dem vote will go Obama, he's crazy.

re: #99 galloping granny

One thing you can say for McCain - he has served this nation with honor every day since he was 17 years old. I don't agree with all of his positions on everything by a long shot, but I don't believe that he will throw our country under the bus.

I agree, Granny. McCain is a patriot and I firmly believe he would defend our country with his dying breath... but I have doubts he will get the chance to do it as President.

I'll vote for him. I just won't like doing it.

...we just might elect ourselves a Messiah.

re: #116 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I know I'm not wrong, if that means anything.

Well, I know you're right about Beckel.

But Hilary's supporters are upset right now, and upset people often say things in anger that they don't mean or that they will change their minds about later.

So I still hope you're right that they will not return to the Dem fold and vote Obama, but I think more will than you think will do that.

re: #115 galloping granny

Did you notice the folks talking about time to end the Democrat party on that thread?

No, I read random comments. I did notice some that saw Clinton's bid for the Presidency in terms of women's rights. Most blacks support Obama due to race. Just another repercussion of identity politics. Also, I read comments about a Third Party run for Clinton. One could only hope!

re: #6 Noam Sayin'

I've said it before, and still firmly believe it. Obama has no chance at winning.

Nice move, Democrats. In 2012, why don't you pick a candidate who doesn't suck?

I'd like to give the same advice to the Republicans

This just in from Howie via E-mail:

Dear Name

We've just finished the most exciting primary contest in a generation, and Barack Obama is our presumptive nominee for President.

Senator Clinton ran an outstanding campaign and we all should be deeply thankful for the passion, energy, and ideas that defined her from the start. Our country and our Party are better off today because the incredible amount of work she and her supporters put into her campaign. We thank Hillary for her leadership, her commitment to America and the Democratic Party.

It can be tough to lose a hard-fought race -- I know, because I've been there. But no matter who you supported, you're part of a bigger family -- one that shares the same hopes, values, and dreams. This campaign is so much more than any of us or any candidate. It's about the future of our country, and our collective desire to take it back for the people who make it great.

Over the next few weeks and months, our family will reunite. It starts today, and I'm asking for your help. Reach out to your friends and family, your neighbors and coworkers, and anyone else who may have fought hard for what they believed in. Bring them in and remind them that we're a family -- that together, we can bring about fundamental change and elect a Democratic president.

We have to be unified if we're going to bring universal health care to America's families, to help fight global climate change, to ensure a woman's right to make her own medical decisions, and to end the war in Iraq.

We have to be unified if we're going to put a Democrat back in the White House.

Over the past few years, we've all been part of the work to rebuild the Democratic Party in all 50 states.

When the primary came around, we found ourselves with two once-in-a-lifetime candidates. Barack and Hillary crossed the country inspiring activists, building organizations, and registering new voters. In state after state, we saw record turnout that dwarfed the Republican's; we saw hundreds of thousands of Americans become involved with a Democratic campaign for the first time; and millions of voters saw just how passionately we feel about the future of our country.

After years of rebuilding and a historic primary campaign, our Democratic community is stronger than ever before. And with Barack Obama, we have a candidate who has inspired millions of people to believe again.

But change doesn't come easily -- and no matter how much we've prepared, no matter how inspiring our candidate, no matter how badly we want it to happen, we have to fight for it every step of the way. Absolutely nothing will be handed to us over the next five months -- we have to do everything we can to make sure Barack Obama is our next President.

We've just seen two brilliant candidates run the most exciting primary in decades. Now we need to come together and finish the job.

I'm looking forward to it.

Howard Dean

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re: #124 reine.de.tout

Again, it depends on what you mean by a "supporter."
In Appalachia, at least, not that many of the people who voted for Hillary are Hillary supporters. Many are anti-Obama.
Obama's problem with the bitter and clingy riff-raff is still there.

As far as the "elite," feminazi folks, most of them will end up voting for the Obamassiah, IMO.

I'm sorry young women fall for the canard that voting for democrats means sexual freedom and all the sex you want. As if! Many democrats are cads, and President Clinton was Exhibit A.

I'm glad many women found out democrats will use them and NOT RESPECT THEM in the morning. Women, wake up--the hard left dems just wanted your vote & money. Democrats aren't kinder or gentler. Look how they've thrown people under the bus.

Geraldine Ferraro and other democrats not hung up on vagina monologues, but concerned about their self-respect can vote for John McCain.

McCain would take torture before letting the country down.

McCain would consider Rev. Wright's "sermons" torture & shove them down Rev. Wright's throat.

McCain would curse Rev. Wright, Rev. Pfleger, and anyone else who fucked with his country.

re: #120 littleO

What G. Bush's mistake was, was, sticking with the 'long war strategy' too long. Thats been changed. We have a surge on two fronts that are working. Allied forces have started to engage in Afghanistan. Even France is sending 700 more troops for both engagement and trainuing purposes.
Showing a virtual winning hand in the wars will be great for the Repups in November.
However, the supreme courts and federal court judgeships are the overwelming reason that this election will be wwiii in political terms.
McCains' Mr. Niceguy approach scares me. Does he really have the passion and fire in the gut to pull this off? And, do average Repulicans and Conservatives have the 'Audacity of Hope'?

Don't downplay McCain's Nice Guy too much. Remember "Walk softly and carry a big stick." Why should he spend his energy, passion and fire in shooting down either one of them while they are doing such a wonderful job on each other.

re: #115 galloping granny

We are seeing the train wreck of the Democratic Party before our very eyes IMHO.

re: #30 bellamags

I'll post this again:

I know an aide to a lobbyist in Washington who is a young gay black man who is also a lifelong democrat. He was asked what he thought of Obama and he said and I quote "He's the Devil".

I had a post deleted the other night for saying basically the same thing. I'm not complaining, but obviously other people see Obama in the same darkness.

Married women tend to vote Republican.
Single women tend to vote Democrat.

Lefty just wants free stuff.

re: #122 MarineMomSue

I agree, Granny. McCain is a patriot and I firmly believe he would defend our country with his dying breath... but I have doubts he will get the chance to do it as President.

I'll vote for him. I just won't like doing it.

I would like much less staying home and giving the green light to a known anti-American communist red diaper baby who has virtually nothing in common with 99% of us.

Gotta go put up a pool.

re: #127 Ojoe

YEEEEEAAAAAARRRRGH!

re: #105 galloping granny

That is actually a pretty direct translation - Lucifer --------> lightbringer.

Doesn't this sound like the SFGate columnist that Charles posted? The guy called Obama--a lightbringer or something like that?

Well, we can't say we weren't WARNED.

The way I see it Obama is going to use the word "change" and "hope" to distract everytime he is questioned on anything in a debate. That, plus the "We can't afford 4 more years of ______".

Let's just hope that McCain is candid enough to highlight his differences with Bush to gain support without totally alienating the conservative base.

And let's HOPE people become sick and tired of hearing the words HOPE and CHANGE.

re: #130 galloping granny

Granny, I AGREE. He doesn't have resources to waste on this--there's time to wait to see the whites of his eyes. (Did I just make a politically incorrect statement).

re: #130 galloping granny

GG;

never interrupt your enemy while he's committing suicide.

re: #23 Charles

OT: Fascist sympathizers are sending me more angry email, for posting that picture of Pat Buchanan with the Vlaams Belang leaders.

If you look in the mirror and dont like what you see, don't blame the mirror.

re: #104 wolfie

Well, it depends what you mean by a "Hillary supporter." If you mean the folks who just love the Hildebeast, you've got a point. But if you mean the average Democrat who voted for her, the MSM was all over their supposed racism. Think WVA, KY, PA, even Ohio.......the bitter and the clingy, y'no.

Excellent point.

Sigh.

Look, folks, I'm very opposed to Barack Obama because of his history of association with radicals and his own far-left, naive policies.

But he's not the anti-Christ, and he's not Satan. There's enough to dislike without attributing supernatural powers to him. Please.

re: #132 Gang of One

I had a post deleted the other night for saying basically the same thing. I'm not complaining, but obviously other people see Obama in the same darkness.

There is a business associate of mine who thinks Obama may be the antichrist because of the mesmerising quality he has over his followers. She's very conservative, and a Christian, but hardly the proseletizing Bible thumper type.
She's from Alberta, Canada originally.
There are a LOT of people out there who are spooked by the messianic fervor around the Obamahdi.

re: #10 Sharmuta

YEAH! Down with Dear Leader!

Let's hope this is for real.

Hmm, I suppose the only thing a confirmed Hillary supporter might risk in voting for McCain is the remote chance that Roe v. Wade will be overturned. But even then, the issue of whether abortion should be legal (and under what circumstances) will return to the states, many of which (the Hillary-strong states) have already or would soon write a "right to privacy" into their own constitutions.

I guess there is still the universal health care schtick, but the Hildabeasts can always pressure the new and "improved" Democratic Congress.

Have I missed anything? Considering McCain's eagerness "to work across the aisle"?

re: #31 DistantThunder

Someone else posted a saying: Throw a rock into a pack of wolves; the one that yelps is the one that got hit.

That reminds me: "Appeaser!"

(Just hoping BHO will yelp again.)

re: #136 katemaclaren

Doesn't this sound like the SFGate columnist that Charles posted? The guy called Obama--a lightbringer or something like that?

Well, we can't say we weren't WARNED.

Hmm...good catch. And, "white racism" could be the pale horse upon which he's arrived.

"1. trace your hands on an 8x11 sheet of paper
2. write your name and city/state in the center of your hands.
3. above the hands, write: "These hands are on the front lines of democracy and they continue to work for Hillary."
4. below the hands, write: "I am one of 18 million. Hillary for President 2008"
put it in an envelope and send it off to the DNC.

by Susan in WA State at 6/7/2008 1:55:58 PM

This is perfect. It so clearly depicts the liberal mindset: if we just trace our hands (like kindergartners do to make that thanksgiving turkey picture), it will be a symbol. People will see that symbol and know that we are sincere, and with that we will change the world.

re: #140 eff

If you look in the mirror and dont like what you see, don't blame the mirror.

Are you dissing Charles, or what?

Off Topic but related to Trouble in the Messiah's tropical sector of socialist fellow travelers:

Don't Cry for Yogurt, Venezuela!

Hugo Thuggo Chavez has declared yogurt is not to be produced in Venezuela's dairies--which he is nationalizing!

Yogurt was only "churned out to generate profits", so it won't be made any longer at Chavez-controlled dairies.

Chavez cronies who now run dairies say "This is a company that has to have a socialist focus."

Yogurt isn't socialist enough, so NO YOGURT FOR YOU, VENEZUELA! Yogurt is too elitist.

(though yogurt is from the caucasus, or ancient poor cultures! Ignorant leftists...)

from an article in today's WashPost, p.A-1 by Juan Forero, "In Venezuela, the Newest State Business Is a Dairy"

re: #127 Ojoe

Just curious, how on earth does this make sense?

"When the primary came around, we found ourselves with two once-in-a-lifetime candidates"

Two "once-in-a-lifetime candidates"?

Wouldn't that make them twice in a lifetime candidates?

Am I missing something?

re: #142 Charles

Sigh.

Look, folks, I'm very opposed to Barack Obama because of his history of association with radicals and his own far-left, naive policies.

But he's not the anti-Christ, and he's not Satan. There's enough to dislike without attributing supernatural powers to him. Please.

I agree, Charles.

re: #142 Charles

Sigh.

Look, folks, I'm very opposed to Barack Obama because of his history of association with radicals and his own far-left, naive policies.

But he's not the anti-Christ, and he's not Satan. There's enough to dislike without attributing supernatural powers to him. Please.

Agreed, we shall do our cause no favors at all appearing like superstitious fanatics.

re: #137 committed

The way I see it Obama is going to use the word "change" and "hope" to distract everytime he is questioned on anything in a debate. That, plus the "We can't afford 4 more years of ______".

Let's just hope that McCain is candid enough to highlight his differences with Bush to gain support without totally alienating the conservative base.

And let's HOPE people become sick and tired of hearing the words HOPE and CHANGE.

Well I HOPE we can CHANGE people's mind by repeating the mantra: Give me an H. I'll buy a vowel--O....
Hope that changes the debate!

My little brother has been following the leftist boards for months and has been telling me for the entire time that the animosity between the Hillary and Obama supporters. Some of the stuff he's read to me is vicious beyond imagining. There will be hard feelings that do, in fact, last all the way to November. This may be the the 5-10% necessary for the electoral landslide.

the sinner,

Charles

NO, I'm saying Charles was the one holding the mirror!

re: #142 Charles

Sigh.

Look, folks, I'm very opposed to Barack Obama because of his history of association with radicals and his own far-left, naive policies.

But he's not the anti-Christ, and he's not Satan. There's enough to dislike without attributing supernatural powers to him. Please.

Thanks, Charles. I was beginning to hear the Twilight Zone theme in the background.

re: #143 Colonel Panik

I will not say anything more, as Charles has kindly asked us to refrain from making such statements. I agree that Obama is reminiscent of other historical figures who swept audiences off their feet -- not necessarily divine or supernatural powers, but scary none the less, neh?

re: #150 psyop

Just curious, how on earth does this make sense?

"When the primary came around, we found ourselves with two once-in-a-lifetime candidates"

Two "once-in-a-lifetime candidates"?

Wouldn't that make them twice in a lifetime candidates?

Am I missing something?

* * *
It's still superficial characteristics uber alles, passing as important.

re: #147 Roentgen

Liberals really are children --arrested development and all that.

re: #157 Gang of One

I will not say anything more, as Charles has kindly asked us to refrain from making such statements. I agree that Obama is reminiscent of other historical figures who swept audiences off their feet -- not necessarily divine or supernatural powers, but scary none the less, neh?

And don't forget the tingle Chris Matthews feels going down his leg everytime he hears BHO speak. We have a monumental task fighting the media hype.

re: #155 eff

NO, I'm saying Charles was the one holding the mirror!

OK. Forgive me if I did not catch on! But you are correct!

re: #150 psyop

No, they are missing good sense and logic.

But I suppose if you live with one foot in a parallel universe you can have two unique things.

re: #148 Gang of One
I think he meant that Charles was just holding up a mirror.
But I agree, ambiguity lurks in his phrasing.

re: #160 committed

And don't forget the tingle Chris Matthews feels going down his leg everytime he hears BHO speak. We have a monumental task fighting the media hype.

Matthews leg tingling? I believe he was flying a kite in a thunderstorm at the time. Fortunately, he wears plastic panties and that saved him.

re: #162 Ojoe

I feel like I'm angle-parked in a parallel universe all the time.

re: #142 Charles

Sigh.

Look, folks, I'm very opposed to Barack Obama because of his history of association with radicals and his own far-left, naive policies.

But he's not the anti-Christ, and he's not Satan. There's enough to dislike without attributing supernatural powers to him. Please.

You clearly have never seen his lazer-gaze!

the sinner,

Charles

re: #162 Ojoe

No, they are missing good sense and logic.

But I suppose if you live with one foot in a parallel universe you can have two unique things.

LOL...

Ah, the ability to separate your politics from reality. The left is VERY good at that. I almost envy them....

re: #163 lurking faith

Yes, ambiguous, but spot-on.

re: #157 Gang of One

I will not say anything more, as Charles has kindly asked us to refrain from making such statements. I agree that Obama is reminiscent of other historical figures who swept audiences off their feet -- not necessarily divine or supernatural powers, but scary none the less, neh?

You are correct to this extent: there is a cadre who want the many to believe that Obama is something more than a partisan hack, that he and his "mission" have been touched by the angels.

Let us do what we can to ensure that sober heads prevail.

re: #159 Gang of One

Liberals really are children --arrested development and all that.

* * *
This is distinctly not helpful, calling people names & saying they are less developed.

Many people are highly educated, high achieving individuals who are unfortunately betrayed by having been brought up on half truths. Many liberals have not lived in leftist totalitarian countries, like some of us.

Many of us here were brought up on such ideologies, and saw what happened when actual socialists & communists came knocking on our families' doors saying they were now in charge.

Many here know what happens when leftists declare your family non-grata, your business is their business, your children are now the collective's children, and your ideas are prohibited.

re: #30 bellamags

I talked to a black Hillary supporter in Kentucky a while back. She said she supported Hillary and I gave her a really? look. She replied: "What, I ain't stupid!"

re: #167 psyop

LOL...

Ah, the ability to separate your politics from reality. The left is VERY good at that. I almost envy them....

I think the problem with liberals is that they CAN'T separate politics from reality. Everything is political in their universe.

re: #169 ContraJihadi
these are the same folks who deny religion; i think the church is correct, man has a need to believe in something.

re: #169 ContraJihadi

I agree. But we need to be very loud.

re: #173 dave in NC

It is sad to see this almost idolatry.

re: #134 galloping granny

I don't think the implication was biblical. It was an adjective he used. Did not mean to imply otherwise. Sorry should have not quoted him directly.

re: #171 leprechaun

thats hilarious

re: #170 alegrias

I understand what you are saying, but it is my distinct impression that liberals in free, Western democracies know absolutely nothing about the realities of totalitarianism. Western liberals may be 'educated' although many of them are indoctrinated, but they still exhibit symptoms of overtly childish and infantile behavior.

Someone oo the Hiliary blog said that obama went golfing during her speech- can that be confirmed? Isn't that raher rude of him if true?

re: #155 eff

NO, I'm saying Charles was the one holding the mirror!

And your point?

re: #170 alegrias

Most "well-educated" liberals are simply this:

Educated well beyond their intelligence.

I'm going to reserve my right to call Obama a rabid megalomaniac.

By no means do I think he's some sort of spiritual entity of any kind. But his naked ambition is so very obvious, and very scary to me. I believe it should be to others too.

Obama is far enough to the left that he might believe he can completely remake this country in his own image. What scares me most is what kinds of methods he might attempt to use to accomplish his goals. I do not believe he has completely revealed his true agenda, which is darker and more foreboding than the message he publicly delivers for consumer consumption.

Just my .02.

re: #142 Charles

Sigh.

Look, folks, I'm very opposed to Barack Obama because of his history of association with radicals and his own far-left, naive policies.

But he's not the anti-Christ, and he's not Satan. There's enough to dislike without attributing supernatural powers to him. Please.

I agree with you. He's not some mystical power or incarnation, and I don't like seeing people overstate his importance by suggesting he is. He's just a charismatic, amoral narcissist; nothing more - although that's QUITE bad enough, under the circumstances.

I'm willing to stand back and let people be thoroughly creeped out by the Obamamaniacs treating him like a messiah. But I worry that those who call him antiChrist or devil (even in jest) could have an equal and opposite effect.

All those conservatives not voting for McCain, all those liberals not voting for Obama, this is one funny election.

re: #142 Charles

Sigh.

Look, folks, I'm very opposed to Barack Obama because of his history of association with radicals and his own far-left, naive policies.

But he's not the anti-Christ, and he's not Satan. There's enough to dislike without attributing supernatural powers to him. Please.

People have always attributed supernatural powers to those who have magnetic ability to gather and persuade a crowd, particularly when they either have no substance behind them or are actually agents of an evil ideology.

You may be bucking the tide on this one Charles. As I said in #143 people who are aware of his radical anti-american politics are spooked by his memsmerising sway over his followers. For people who are of a religious bent, this doubt about his character and intentions will express itself in a religious fashion.

I prefer not to call him the antichrist, although he does creep me out at a very visceral level. I call him the Obamahdi, to call attention to his pro-Islamic sympathies and willingness to negotiate with Ahmadinejad and the Mad Mullahs.

I was a democrat and I probably would of voted for Hillary, but I wouldn't vote for Obama if they put a gun to my head. I'm changing over to Republican and voting McCain. Those bastards in the DNC deserve nothing from me. I am sure that I'm not alone. There are others like me who feel betrayed by the dumbocrats as well. They will pay dearly for that when November comes. Will they learn from their mistakes? Not bloody likely.

Bring on the Obama nation.

Lets kick that commie's ass in November. Even it is using John McCain. Then bring on the 2010 mid terms to shut up John McCain.

re: #168 Gang of One

Yes, ambiguous, but spot-on.

Yes; that, too.

re: #187 Zim

you got the right idea brother.

oops, gin & tonic's affected my typoing ability.

Although if Hillary gets the VP nod, all bets are off.

Everytime I look at the mess the Democratic party is today I think of this song:

America needs you
Harry Truman
Harry could you please come home
Things are looking bad
I know you would be mad
To see what kind of men
Prevail upon the land you love

America’s wondering
How we got here
Harry all we get is lies
We’re gettin’ safer cars
Rocket ships to mars
From men who’d sell us out
To get themselves a piece of power

We’d love to hear you speak your mind
In plain and simple ways
Call a spade a spade
Like you did back in the day
You would play piano
Each morning walk a mile
Speak of what was going down
With honesty and style

America’s calling
Harry Truman
Harry you know what to do
The world is turnin’ round and losin’ lots of ground
Oh Harry is there something we can do to save the land we love
Oh woah woah woah

America’s calling
Harry Truman
Harry you know what to do
The world is turnin’ round
And losin’ lots of ground
So Harry is there something we can do to save the land we love
Oh
Harry is there something we can do to save the land we love
Harry
Harry is there something we can do to save the land we love

many citizens in all those states b.o. lost in the primary, won't vote for him.
of course the msm will lie and present him as vastly more popular than he really is. and i'm not going to trust any polls.
i don't think the average american is going to fall for his arrogant 'messiah who can control the oceans' message.

re: #7 Sharmuta

You go guys and gals!

Lets not forget the ones on our side saying the same thing. Look at this.

Cut off your nose to spite your face. Apparently some believe "to hell with the troops", "to hell with the country", "I'm pissed that no one listened to me so I'm going to lie on the floor and kick my feet and scream"

re: #173 dave in NC

these are the same folks who deny religion; i think the church is correct, man has a need to believe in something.

re: #174 Gang of One

I agree. But we need to be very loud.

Dave: Man needs to believe in transcendence, but this does not necessarily or solely equate with a belief in the traditional, historicized narrative of the Passion of Son of God. The claim of physical resurrection will turn too many moderns away, even those who consciously yearn to comprehend "the wind that bloweth where it listeth," who understand that the real existence of Spirit is not a physical determination.

Gang: what I am struggling to comprehend is how one can be effective without being loud. In my perplexity I am open to all rational suggestions.

re: #191 Colonel Panik

That is quite good. Congratulations to you if you have composed that yourself.

re: #171 leprechaun

I talked to a black Hillary supporter in Kentucky a while back. She said she supported Hillary and I gave her a really? look. She replied: "What, I ain't stupid!"

Had the same thing happen here. Mother and adult son wearing Hillary shirts, talking about how Obama was an ass to just assume the blacks were going to line up behind him.

Heck no! BHO isn't the Anti-christ! The Anti-christ will enslave and subordinate mankind!
But, our political and economic system has had this slow march toward a socialist state for 40 years. that needs to stop.
We will never return to the fifties. But, for Christ-sake we can stop the trend and support things like a flat tax and a stronger currency.

The only way that Obama is going to get Hillary's female supporters to vote for him is if he gives them a rufie and drags them into the voting booth.

re: #194 ContraJihadi

well, i said religion, not Christianity.

but. the resurrection is THE central doctrine of Christianity from which all others flow. believe in it or not, as you choose.

re: #182 really grumpy big dog johnson

No, his agenda is being carefully hidden from those of us who "may not understand", but who in fact would understand all too well. We do not need pols who will do things "for your own good"! The elctorate are adults, despite the o-bots and despite what the libs believe.

re: #195 ContraJihadi

That is quite good. Congratulations to you if you have composed that yourself.

It's old song from the 70s I believe

I should have posted this yesterday on the Obama "Lightworker" thread but got there late. I didn't write it, I found it amazingly enough on a Yahoo stock discussion group:

Obama's 10 Commandments

1. I am Barack, your future president. You shall have no other candidates before me. Especially that entitled, uppity white bitch who thinks that, when it comes to presidential politics, having girl parts trumps dark skin.

2. You shall not make for yourself an idol unless, you know, it is an idol of me. Or me and Che. Just make sure we both have berets on. The beret is the most underrated hat going. Oh, and slap a mustache on me when you make that idol. Damned if I can grow one myself.

3. You shall not ask me really hard questions. Those make my head hurt behind my eyebrows.

4. You shall not bring any video cameras, cell phones with video-making capacity, or tape recording devices of any sort into this house of worship during sermons. I’m on the home stretch here people. Think.

5. Honor your mother and father. Even if one of them is white. However, grandparents are fair game.

6. You shall not kill. However, it is okay to sit down with the leaders of rogue nations bent on destroying America, without preconditions, provided they are not as large as the former Soviet Union.

7. You shall not use oil. There is more than enough sunlight to power the new one-seat solar cars I will be mandating during my first term in office. Besides, is there really any reason that you are going to need to drive faster than five miles per hour anyway?

8. When in doubt, you shall act shocked to discover things that you clearly already know. This works surprisingly well.

9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. Unless your neighbor is white. Or conservative. Or if you are running for elected office.

10. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife; you shall not covet your neighbor’s flat screen tv; nor his pontoon boat; nor his new car; nor anything that is your neighbors. Under the new system of government I will be implementing, you won’t have any reason for coveting. We will all have the exact same stuff.

re: #157 Gang of One

Exactly. I don't believe that humans have supernatural powers. I do believe that certain humans draw evil supernatural activity into their sphere along with plain old garden variety bad, bad people. (Hitler being the most obvious example.)

Or, for those who don't believe in a spiritual dimension: shit tends to attract more shit.

re: #17 CheatyPantsMcSweatervest

good point. Look at Dem's canddates since LBJ
Kerry- boring
Gore- same
Clinton- good choice
Dukakis- yeah nice one
Mondale- Where's the Beef?
Carter
McGovern
Humphrey
One good choice in 40 years! how inept can a party be?

Of your list, only two were actually elected.

Carter was an unmitigated disaster, and we're still shoveling out the crap he left us with. The "national malaise" he yammered about was mostly between his ears.

Clinton did lasting damage to our military.... he was too preoccupied with his own problems to do any other damage. It was very plain, though, that he and his shrew hated and feared the troops, and he did his level best to defang them.

The only group that was provably and demonstrably disenfranchised in Florida in 2000 was military absentee voters, something the Gorebots hope we don't remember.

re: #194 ContraJihadi

Gang: what I am struggling to comprehend is how one can be effective without being loud. In my perplexity I am open to all rational suggestions.

True, loud can sometimes be mistaken for ignorant, as the saying goes: an empty vessel makes the loudest sound. I want to say that we should be louder, perhaps, and unwilling to cave or debate. But we are up against stupendously large and well-oiled machines in the academy, entertainment and media. I think we could also use the financial bludgeon -- boycott business, services and products that advertise in and on liberal biased news outlets, fore go films and TV programming. The LLL dominates the machinery that creates the narrative, we need to expose continuously the narrative here, on the new media. And I believe we do it well. I will have to think more about this ...

re: #194 ContraJihadi

Dave: Man needs to believe in transcendence, but this does not necessarily or solely equate with a belief in the traditional, historicized narrative of the Passion of Son of God. The claim of physical resurrection will turn too many moderns away, even those who consciously yearn to comprehend "the wind that bloweth where it listeth," who understand that the real existence of Spirit is not a physical determination.

Gang: what I am struggling to comprehend is how one can be effective without being loud. In my perplexity I am open to all rational suggestions.

When you whisper, people listen harder. Back to the basics. Clarity is more important than volume. Let the Left have their volume, it doesn't matter because they're transmitting a crummy signal. We need to decide on a single frequency (concrete message, nothing as nebulous as "change") and concentrate on improving our signal to noise ratio...after we get that dialed in, THEN we can increase the amplitude. (volume) :)

re: #204 Steffan

Of your list, only two were actually elected.

Carter was an unmitigated disaster, and we're still shoveling out the crap he left us with. The "national malaise" he yammered about was mostly between his ears.

Clinton did lasting damage to our military.... he was too preoccupied with his own problems to do any other damage. It was very plain, though, that he and his shrew hated and feared the troops, and he did his level best to defang them.

The only group that was provably and demonstrably disenfranchised in Florida in 2000 was military absentee voters, something the Gorebots hope we don't remember.

Thank you for saying that the way you did. I was going to reply but it wouldn't have been nice. I was in the military when he screwed us, and my animosity toward him goes deep.

re: #206 brickthruplateglasswindow

Well said.

I made this bumper sticker for McCain

re: #204 Steffan

yeah. I meant Clinton was a good choice as far as the General election went as in he was their best bet to beat Bush the Elder. Carter was a good choice to win in 1976 because he did not have the stain of DC upon him. The rest of those cats were just bleh. especially the last 2.

re: #195 ContraJihadi

That is quite good. Congratulations to you if you have composed that yourself.

It was the band "Chicago" ironically enough.

re: #199 dave in NC

well, i said religion, not Christianity.

but. the resurrection is THE central doctrine of Christianity from which all others flow. believe in it or not, as you choose.

It's not quite the case of "believe it or not, as you choose" for me; but rather whether I comprehend it's truth as immediately historical or universally spiritual.

For me the truth of the latter does not depend on the factuality of the former. There may or may not have been an historical Mac Beth, but what Shakespeare says in his play is true generically whenever ambition inevitably must confront repentance.

re: #211 Colonel Panik

Well, I am not familiar with this music, but the lyrics surely fit.

Obama and Hillary are about equally liberal. I just don't see your average Hillary supporter switching to McCain. McCain is going to find votes with Reagan Democrats, rural whites, independents and moderates, but not the hardcore liberal sore loser Hillary voters who are badmouthing Obama right now.

There’s an amazing amount of dislike for Barack Obama at the Hillary Clinton web site:

DON'T count on it on election day.

re: #215 DoubleU

You are 100% correct. I've been talking with more people with their ear to the ground and the next 2 years aren't going to be pretty.

Let us hope now that both Obama and Hillary are relegated to the dustbin of history come November.

re: #176 bellamags

I don't think the implication was biblical. It was an adjective he used. Did not mean to imply otherwise. Sorry should have not quoted him directly.

I don't think that he meant to imply biblical either. Sometimes stuff like that just happens. I don't think Obama has supernatural powers, but I think that he is presenting himself as such with statements like "this day is the day the healing of the earth begins" (or whatever that was). The MSM's frequent use of the term "messianic" in connection with him, the fainting women, the cult of personality, the religious overtones to his campaign - all very reminiscent of Hitler's rise to power to be perfectly frank about it. Even a lot of the PR stuff he's putting out could be directly transported to Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia or Mao's China and look perfectly at home.

What I think Obama has is an overwhelming potential for sheer evil, the likes of which the world has not seen in more than a half-century. If only we are stupid enough to give him power.

re: #216 Roger

Obama is so cocky and so arrogant that it could all collapse on him, kind of like it did for Kerry. But the people propping him up have learned their lessons from Kerry and wont let it happen again.

re: #217 HDrepub

Let us hope now that both Obama and Hillary are relegated to the dustbin of history come November.

Hope as in Obama hope? Hope as in I hope I have hamburgers for dinner? Hope as in I hope I win the lottery? Hope doesn't work well without action.

re: #212 ContraJihadi

the historical fact is the central doctrine of Christianity; "[t]he documents say what they say, and cannot be altered." C S Lewis, THe Screwtape Letters.

i don't much care what you comprehend or don't comprehend; believe it or not, as you choose. it's not my ego on the line.

re: #220 dave in NC

Words can scarce express my solicitation for your personal enthusiasms, but linear egos can never approach the asymptote of truth, even though they may bellow forth superstitious dogmas to no end.

No ego desiring awakening can well afford to dismiss a chance to engage in an honest recognition of its subjectivity. Sleep well then, since you are so fond of your dreams.

re: #38 psyop

Looks like some more Operation Chaos success...

I am sure a good number of Clinton supporters will vote McCain or abstain, but many who say they will never vote Obama will do just that at crunch time.

I don't know about that. It seems Hillary and many of her supporters are trying to position her for a run in 2012. They'll take McCain for 4 years if that means getting her in office next election.

re: #221 ContraJihadi

i take note that your thesaurus is alive and well; i saw too many like you in graduate school to be impressed by mere verbosity of expression without underlying intelligence.

have a sweet life.

re: #223 dave in NC

That's a cheepo, Dave. I can explicate the meaning of any word whose meaning escapes you, should you wish to wake your mind up from its monosyllabic, dogmatic slumber.

But if either one of us were serious about the meaning of Christianity, we would be focusing on reconciliation rather than recrimination, no?

re: #221 ContraJihadi

or as has been said in another context, "Let the galled jade wince."

good night, sweet prince.

re: #225 dave in NC

or as has been said in another context, "Let the galled jade wince."

Now, that's obscure!

re: #226 dave in NC

good night, sweet prince.

Ah, the Parthian shot. Well, if you ever summon the courage to return, we can continue the rivalry.

I had to laugh a little about Chavez banning yogurt as not 'socialist' enough. One, you could have fooled me with all those marxist health stores consuming umpteen tons of the stuff when it first gained popularity thirty years ago. Second, wasn't it the commercials showing hundred year old men and women from the USSR, who supposedly got that way by consuming yogurt, that was a major marketing breakthrough? I think the real reason for banning yogurt, is that Chavez is so inept at managing the economy that under his cronies his country will wind up in much shorter time like Rhodesia (I will not call that country the Z word because of the Mugster) is now under its totalitarian gov't. So Venezuela is now so bad, that unless the Chavez gov't banned production of yogurt there would probably not be enough milk on the market for ordinary use. Wonder what other things will soon not be 'socialist' enough, oh, elections, the constitution, the internet, cellphones, international travel, etc.

As for Barack's predicament, it ain't for nothing he is also called the NOBOMINATION.

re: #93 Charles

New post.

In your face, fascists.

"The good Nazi is the one who is no longer breathing."
--Alistair MacLean, River of Death

Food fight's aren't becoming. Even when it's intellectual tidbits flying around.

re: #154 Charles the Hammer

True. Hillary supporters were literally hounded off the DKos and Puffington Host boards -- they had to create their own.

I don't think they'd be willing to bury the hatchet anywhere but in their detractors' heads. We are now entering phase II of the DP meltdown.

re: #231 Steffan

"The good Nazi is the one who is no longer breathing."
--Alistair MacLean, River of Death

I LOVE ALISTAIR MACLEAN.

re: #36 Charles

I nominate "Charles of the Lidless Eye" as a rotating banner!

re: #195 ContraJihadi

That is quite good. Congratulations to you if you have composed that yourself.

Actually, it's a very very good song by the band "Chicago."

re: #232 katemaclaren

Food fight's aren't becoming. Even when it's intellectual tidbits flying around.

Hmm, on the off chance you were referring to my little byplay with theistic Dave, let me just say that today my son is receiving his Ph.D. This is occurring 3000 miles away from where I am now sitting at my keyboard. I didn't go to his ceremony because for at least 10000 reasons flying sucks.

So, I am disgruntled and vastly irascible. I am likely to become hypercritical; and let God, Charles, and the big lizard in the sky lower the boom as they see fit.

And in case you didn't have me in mind at all, and I am just inflating my ego beyond all sober repair: send me your email, and I'll send you a bottle of nice wine.

Deus volt!

re: #237 ContraJihadi

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re: #238 ContraJihadi

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Media duly alerted.

re: #1 Sharmuta

They're already moving to McCain. Awesome.

Yeah? Well just you wait Missy, till McCain extends a hand across the Isle and asks Herr Frau Hitlary to be his VP.

It's just about the only thing that could possibly make a McCain Admin any worse.

A point I think some people are missing is the fact that A LOT of party-registered voters from the Reps. voted for Obama during the primaries. They did this because they, as all of you, know that BHO is the weaker candidate and will be more easily defeated in November.

Think about it, many of the late primaries were essentially meaningless for the Reps as McCain had all but won quite a while back. Texas and Ohio in particular come to mind as instances in which Reps could have hopped the fence to support BHO.

Of course there's no way to quantify this number, but I think it will bear special significance in 5 months. JMO.

"My ultimate decision is based on the belief that we need someone that can bring us a better future and Hillary is the only one that can do this. I will not support Obama."

And you thought Obama supporters were suffering from a Savior complex!
Apparently, Hillary is really the only one that can save us, save us, save us!

I don't like ANY of the candidates and I'm not happy. Perhaps I'd be a much happier person if I had a complete, blind commitment and total adoration for a candidate.

John McCain is effective only after he's been declared the walking dead. I see him bumbling it away until the Democrat convention, after which he'll fall way behind. Then, and only then, will he finally hit his stride and start impressing us.

But, like Hillary, will very late be in fact too late?

Sharmuta #7: No Obama - We will not forget or forgive - We will not "fall in line" - We will not drink the KOOLAID!

Sharmuta #10: I am now a registered Republican in a show of defiance, our family ended our lifelong democratic party affliation on Friday and became Republicans.

I have to ask: Forget and forgive what? What did he do except win? Sure, he's a far left liberal. Your ENTIRE family lived their entire lives as Democrats and just now have switched to Republicans? I find that extremely strange, myself. Having spent four years suffering through Carter, it seems quite odd that you'd find Obama THAT much worse than our dear Dhimmi Carter.

I can see extreme disappointment. I'm extremely disappointed in the Republicans, who in ten years have managed to spoil almost everything that was good and fine about that Party. But you won't see me converting overnight into a Democrat!

So Sharmuta, can you explain this show of defiance? It would be interesting to know the exact reasons. Perhaps you're onto something, and you're an early harbinger of a real abandonment of Obama by Democrats! The reasons for that would be interesting to know!

How do you think conservative GOPs feel? Mitt would have turned Obama into a sock pocket.

OMG. Check out this ENTIRE site! This Hillary fans hate Obama and are voting McCain....

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Too funny.......

No means NO
Nobama

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