How I wish I could play that well.

Nice feature you've added, Charles. The video doesn't stopy when you post a comment.

Stopy?

re: #1 song_and_dance_man

I love music threads

/You'd never know that from your nic.

ANYONE IN THE VICINITY OF WILL COUNTY ILLINOIS and South SUBURBS OF CHICAGO -

GO GO GO GO

HALF MILE WIDE TORNADO HEADED YOUR WAY ! ! ! !

Big Brown finishes DEAD LAST at the Belmont Stakes ? ! ? !

Suspicious? Nah, just some sortta coincicink!

Oh yeah, regarding the Belmont, the winner was a 38 to 1 long shot.

Coincidink, I tell ya!

Anyone that bets money on horses, that isn't a mobster, is a moron.

RIP Jim McKay. I will never forget how you broke the news to us that ll of the Israeli Olympic athletes were gone, In Munich 1972.

Thank you for the Wide World of Sports.

re: #9 song_and_dance_man

Before I found LGF I hung out at the Steve Vai, Joe Satriani and other sundry music forums.

Yeah, I remember you saying that, and that they were occupied by moonbats.

Who is everybody's favorite guitar man or gal? I vote Mark Noltner of Dire Straights

This guy just always blows me away with his music!

re: #12 mama winger

RIP Jim McKay. I will never forget how you broke the news to us that ll of the Israeli Olympic athletes were gone, In Munich 1972.

Thank you for the Wide World of Sports.

"The thrill of victory, and the agony of defeat".

re: #17 Bob in Breckenridge

"The thrill of victory, and the agony of defeat".

He made you care about sports that you had never heard of.

That was just beautiful! Thanks for sharing it, Charles.

Anyone on Hiway 57 near Chicago - there is a large tornado heading your way - TAKE COVER

re: #18 song_and_dance_man

Not necessarily moonbats, it was just they were lost when I wanted to talk politics. These forums are filled mainly with very young males.

/Too bad this was before Obama was running. That's seems to be over half his cheering section.

Always watched the Wide World of Sports and loved the intro.. RIP Jim McKay

Cool song and he's a great player but I hate his sound. Way too much processing. I like acoustic guitars to sound like acoustic guitars.
/just me

re: #12 mama winger

RIP Jim McKay. I will never forget how you broke the news to us that ll of the Israeli Olympic athletes were gone, In Munich 1972.

Thank you for the Wide World of Sports.

I remember that too, mama. RIP Jim.

PS......are you in a safe place?

re: #26 wolfie

Yes - thank you - I'm safe. It seems to have ended for the time being. Folks to the south of me in Illinois are not so lucky. And I heard there are injuries in Dane Co near Madison.

re: #27 mama winger

Yes - thank you - I'm safe. It seems to have ended for the time being. Folks to the south of me in Illinois are not so lucky. And I heard there are injuries in Dane Co near Madison.

{mama winger}

re: #27 mama winger

Glad to hear that. FNC had a breaking alert for Milwaukee to Chicago about the weather and had a video feed from Milwaukee. Did not look good. Prayers to those impacted by the storms. Hopefully no serious injuries or loss of life. Stuff can be replaced.

re: #18 song_and_dance_man

Not necessarily moonbats, it was just they were lost when I wanted to talk politics. These forums are filled mainly with very young males.

/BTW, don't tell Barney Frank.

Anyone here old enough to remember Jim McKay from Saturday morning children's TV, in the NYC market, or am I the only one...or is my enfeebled mind just imagining it?

R.I.P.

Anyone out in the bay area know if Bernie Ward has started his 5 year sentence?

re: #29 Athos

Hopefully no serious injuries or loss of life. Stuff can be replaced.

absolutely

re: #28 goddessoftheclassroom

Hi goddess! Are you done with school for the summer?

re: #34 mama winger

Sort of. I have to finish cleaning out my room (I'm moving to a new class room), and I'm helping to write the new English course of study. The last two weeks of July I'll be teaching the critical reading and writing parts of an SAT prep class.

re: #35 goddessoftheclassroom

I hope you have included some fun fun fun summer plans too. You deserve it!

For goddessoftheclassroom

re: #36 mama winger

I hope you have included some fun fun fun summer plans too. You deserve it!

You're so sweet. I'm going on vacation in August.

re: #35 goddessoftheclassroom

Howdy M'am,

Have you had the opportunity to enjoy the 1968 version of "Bedazzled"?

Very sorry to learn of Savage's banning. I hope he finds his way, sounds like he's in a lot of pain.

re: #41 Killgore Trout

Very sorry to learn of Savage's banning. I hope he finds his way, sounds like he's in a lot of pain.

Me too.

re: #37 mama winger

For goddessoftheclassroom

I LOVE that sone--it always reminded me of myself when I was about 17...

BTW, that video was made 4 days before I was born. :)

re: #41 Killgore Trout

Very sorry to learn of Savage's banning. I hope he finds his way, sounds like he's in a lot of pain.

What happened, I saw him on this mornin I know he was upset but did someone set him off?

re: #41 Killgore Trout

Very sorry to learn of Savage's banning. I hope he finds his way, sounds like he's in a lot of pain.

Howdy G-dless,

Savage Nation got the stick? How, when, what, why?

re: #43 goddessoftheclassroom

BTW, that video was made 4 days before I was born. :)

Oh my - you are a baby! LOL

(ten years older, and showing every inch of it)

re: #40 M. Bensson-Levi

Howdy M'am,

Have you had the opportunity to enjoy the 1968 version of "Bedazzled"?

No! I will add it to my queue right now...

re: #44 BBev

I wasn't there - but from what I hear he was making some violent threats towards himself and others.

re: #45 M. Bensson-Levi

He made some comments about harming himself and others. It places Charles in a very awkward position; In the unlikely event something does happen then grieving family members start blaming Charles for not taking action. There are things that can't be vented here.

re: #48 song_and_dance_man

cooking music

Knocking on Heaven's Door - Dylan

Whatcha cookin, song?

Hey - I never got to talk to you after the American Idol Finale - I was up at my cabin. Were you surprised? I saw the Final competition and thought Archie had it wrapped up.

re: #42 mama winger
Me too. I think he really needed LGF while on the road. I also feel bad he backed Charles into a corner. Don't know what to say.

Glad to see your OK mama, was worried about u

re: #49 mama winger

I wasn't there - but from what I hear he was making some violent threats towards himself and others.

I'm going to go back and read it. It's to bad I hope Charles will change his mind.

re: #52 snowcrash

Me too. I think he really needed LGF while on the road. I also feel bad he backed Charles into a corner. Don't know what to say.

I think we were his substitute family. I hope he finds some resolution, and some peace. At heart, he is a good guy, and a heck of a warrior when it comes to islamofascism.

re: #54 BBev

I'm going to go back and read it. It's to bad I hope Charles will change his mind.

I think Charles had given him some chances already. This may have been the final straw.

re: #54 BBev

I'm going to go back and read it. It's to bad I hope Charles will change his mind.

I heard he had been banned before, but Charles gave him a break and let him back in.

I cannot pick any one guitarist as personal favorite.

How can I compare Segovia to Iommi?

How can I compare Mason Williams to Dave Mustaine?

How can I compare Les Paul to Yngwie Malmsteen?

How can I compare Leadbelly to John Williams?

Sorry Icarus, I can't even pick one bass player as a favorite. Chris Squire or Billy Sheehan or Les Claypool?

It's all about the current mood I'm in at the time of the picking.

STINGS,
R

re: #53 greenmiler

Glad to see your OK mama, was worried about u

So far so good. :) We've been caught in this weather pattern for a couple of days now and I think it is supposed to continue. Lots of damage to the south of me I think.

re: #47 goddessoftheclassroom

Log onto Hulu.com, set aside an hour and a half, or so, and enjoy what is perhaps the best, and most intelligent comedy in the English language.

Hell, here's the link, bookmark it, and enjoy it at your leisure.

re: #58 Render

I cannot pick any one guitarist as personal favorite.

How can I compare Segovia to Iommi?

How can I compare Mason Williams to Dave Mustaine?

How can I compare Les Paul to Yngwie Malmsteen?

How can I compare Leadbelly to John Williams?

Sorry Icarus, I can't even pick one bass player as a favorite. Chris Squire or Billy Sheehan or Les Claypool?

It's all about the current mood I'm in at the time of the picking.

STINGS,
R

John Entwhistle?

I'm in Katrina country so I feel for you. keep safe

re: #61 song_and_dance_man

His rendition of Billie Jean blew me away and if he records it I will most certainly find a pirated copy of it on the internet.

That was his turning point I think.

re: #63 greenmiler

I'm in Katrina country so I feel for you. keep safe

Thanks - it's the suddenness that scares me. And the pinpoint accuracy. It could hit here and not across the street.

I would have to go with Segovia.

re: #62 Bob in Breckenridge

The Invisible Ox certainly has/had his moments as well. It's a long list...

INFINITY
AND
BEYOND,
R

re: #58 Render

Claypool's the MAN! But I agree- hard for me to pick a favorite.

yep we get hit wider but we have plenty of time

re: #50 Killgore Trout

He has posted odd things like that before. I'm sorry to see him go.

His domestic situation was a strain, to say the least. I'd have shrugged my shoulders, turned my back, and walked away, a long time ago.

It's too bad.

Wow.

Of course, I also love Christopher Parkening.

re: #67 mama winger

I've always been partial to Julian Bream.

re: #72 Ma Sands

Wow.

Yeah - it's a wonder we're not all dead :)

re: #74 Killgore Trout

I've always been partial to Julian Bream.

Gosh, that's beautiful.

re: #57 Bob in Breckenridge

I heard he had been banned before, but Charles gave him a break and let him back in.

Then I that case I will have to send him an email.

re: #57 Bob in Breckenridge

I heard he had been banned before, but Charles gave him a break and let him back in.

Multiple times, I think.. (if memory serves me correctly)

re: #74 Killgore Trout

I mean, that's really lovely.

I like the music threads. Learn who the musicians, musicians are. Hear new artists. It's all good.

Yes, I admit it, I'm addicted to LGF Spy.

re: #58 Render

I cannot pick any one guitarist as personal favorite.

How can I compare Segovia to Iommi?

How can I compare Mason Williams to Dave Mustaine?

How can I compare Les Paul to Yngwie Malmsteen?

How can I compare Leadbelly to John Williams?

Sorry Icarus, I can't even pick one bass player as a favorite. Chris Squire or Billy Sheehan or Les Claypool?

It's all about the current mood I'm in at the time of the picking.

STINGS,
R

Duane Eddy, IMHO, is the greatest, among the greatest...discounting Tiny Tim, who, of course, played the ukelale, so he really can't be counted.

But you're right, all comparisons are invalid.

re: #81 Charles
You have outdone yourself! It is fab.

re: #69 Sharmuta

One better

re: #81 Charles

Yes, I admit it, I'm addicted to LGF Spy.

Me too ! Going to need a LGF Spy Autonomous soon. ; - )

re: #59 mama winger

So far so good. :) We've been caught in this weather pattern for a couple of days now and I think it is supposed to continue. Lots of damage to the south of me I think.

I ordered one of these today, among other things.

/most reviewers seem to think it works pretty good

re: #81 Charles

I should send you a bill for the 2nd monitor that I need to try to get some work done. ;-)

Spy is a really great idea and implementation.

re: #79 mama winger

He does a killer version of "Sheep May Safely Graze" That will melt even the most godless of souls. Sadly, not available online.

re: #86 Killian Bundy

I ordered one of these today, among other things.

/most reviewers seem to think it works pretty good

Let me know how it works, will you? I'd be interested.

Chris Squire - The Fish

Live in '91.

HOLD OUT
YOUR HAND,
R

You don't spy Charles, you are LGF :)

re: #85 seekeroftruth

wow - giant typo - try again - LGF Spy Anonymous

Certain profane language gets filtered out too.

re: #88 Killgore Trout

He does a killer version of "Sheep May Safely Graze" That will melt even the most godless of souls. Sadly, not available online.

That's one of my very favorite pieces.

Melts the godless soul? Please play it repeatedly, will you my friend? :) lol

re: #78 Yankee Division Son

Multiple times, I think.. (if memory serves me correctly)

At least one other time.

/the bipolar soap opera gets a bit old after a while

re: #81 Charles

Yes, I admit it, I'm addicted to LGF Spy.

Its absolutely mesmerizing, no question.

There is CRAP on TV tonight. One of the networks is airing a TV movie - "Sybil" remake. Ain't watching that, haha

re: #98 song_and_dance_man

I think so too. It showed his savvy for reinterpretation and taking a song to another level.

It was beyond another level. I didn't even recognize it at first. In a good way.

re: #59 mama winger

So far so good. :) We've been caught in this weather pattern for a couple of days now and I think it is supposed to continue. Lots of damage to the south of me I think.

Yep, a large tornado just went through southern/eastern Will County and is in South Suburban Cook right now, heading for Hammond, Indiana.

SEVERE WEATHER STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE CHICAGO/ROMEOVILLE IL
639 PM CDT SAT JUN 7 2008

ILC031-INC089-080030-
/O.CON.KLOT.TO.W.0025.000000T0000Z-080608T0030Z/
COOK IL-LAKE IN-
639 PM CDT SAT JUN 7 2008

...A TORNADO WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 730 PM CDT FOR NORTHERN
LAKE AND SOUTHEASTERN COOK COUNTIES...

AT 636 PM CDT...TRAINED WEATHER SPOTTERS REPORTED A LARGE TORNADO
NEAR PARK FOREST. THIS TORNADO WAS LOCATED NEAR CHICAGO
HEIGHTS...MOVING NORTHEAST AT 26 MPH. THIS TORNADO HAS A HISTORY OF
PRODUCING WIDESPREAD DAMAGE.

THE TORNADO WILL BE NEAR...
LYNWOOD...THORNTON...AND SOUTH HOLLAND BY 645 PM CDT...
LANSING...MUNSTER...AND DYER BY 650 PM CDT...
HIGHLAND...CALUMET CITY...BURNHAM...AND GRIFFITH BY 655 PM CDT...

THIS IS AN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS AND LIFE THREATENING SITUATION. THIS
STORM IS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING STRONG TO VIOLENT TORNADOES. IF YOU ARE
IN THE PATH OF THIS TORNADO...TAKE COVER IMMEDIATELY!

IF IN MOBILE HOMES OR VEHICLES...EVACUATE THEM AND GET INSIDE A
STURDY SHELTER. IF NO SHELTER IS AVAILABLE...LIE FLAT IN THE NEAREST
DITCH OR OTHER LOW SPOT AND COVER YOUR HEAD WITH YOUR HANDS.

LAT...LON 4153 8738 4147 8756 4152 8769 4172 8754
4165 8740 4166 8738 4164 8736 4163 8729
4164 8724
TIME...MOT...LOC 2339Z 234DEG 23KT 4152 8761

$$

MARSILI

I'm not watching sybil either..yes iam..no i'm not..shut up..you shut up

Depends on your taste.

re: #94 mama winger

Here's a good version on piano played buy some barefoot guy....
Sheep May Safely Graze

re: #100 Honorary Yooper

I was worried about you! Are you OK? I heard one went thru your neck of the woods!

re: #32 Bob in Breckenridge

Anyone out in the bay area know if Bernie Ward has started his 5 year sentence?

I hope so. Couldn't be soon enough. Former priest (pedophile) gets married and has kids.

re: #103 Killgore Trout

Here's a good version on piano played buy some barefoot guy....
Sheep May Safely Graze

Thank you, Killgore. It is so so lovely. One of my very favorites. You are so good to me.

re: #50 Killgore Trout

He made some comments about harming himself and others. It places Charles in a very awkward position; In the unlikely event something does happen then grieving family members start blaming Charles for not taking action. There are things that can't be vented here.

Yes. It is too bad that certain of those things are not on a bad word filter to force people to think. It can be awfully easy to say something the wrong way or in a fit of anger.

re: #103 Killgore Trout

Ah! I've been asking everybody for years the name of that tune......thank you! :)

re: #101 greenmiler

I'm not watching sybil either..yes iam..no i'm not..shut up..you shut up

Haha. Been there . Done that. Can't say I miss it :)

re: #101 greenmiler

I'm not watching sybil either..yes iam..no i'm not..shut up..you shut up

LOL!

re: #104 mama winger

I was worried about you! Are you OK? I heard one went thru your neck of the woods!

I'm way fine. It went south, donw near Braidwood, and continued northeast from there toward Monee. I'm in Joliet, but we don't fool around with these things here Too many people still remember August 28, 1990.

The real Sybil is a remarkably accomplilshed woman. I think she may have passed away. My therapist in Chicago did some work with her.

re: #108 Ma Sands

It's a great tune. IIRC, Bach originally wrote it as a hymn.

re: #74 Killgore Trout

I've always been partial to Julian Bream.

Lovely.

re: #113 Killgore Trout

It's a great tune. IIRC, Bach originally wrote it as a hymn.

Serve the LORD with gladness: come before his presence with singing.

Know ye that the LORD he is God: it is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves; we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture.

Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name.

Shoot, looks like this thing is going to cross I-80/94 at the Indiana/Illinois state kine and go out over the steel mill area near Gary.

/Watching WFLD, Fox Chicago.

re: #116 Honorary Yooper

Shoot, looks like this thing is going to cross I-80/94 at the Indiana/Illinois state kine and go out over the steel mill area near Gary.

/Watching WFLD, Fox Chicago.

It's a monster - something like a half mile wide.

Psalm 100

Gotta go -chicken's here

bbiaw

I would like to present all of you here with a musical gift. From the Swiss Movement album, recorded live at the Montreux Jazz Festival, in 1969, Eddie Harris and Les McCann, "Compared to What?", written by Gene McDaniels, of "A 100 pounds of Clay" fame.

Only the dead don't move to this one.

Enjoy.

re: #63 greenmiler

I'm in Katrina country so I feel for you. keep safe

what do you consider Katrina country, and I damn well hope it's not NO..

re: #107 galloping granny

Oh, good grief. That sounds like a total headache for Charles trying to figure that out, and limiting what words we can use to express ourselves. I think that perhaps we're expected to be adults here, and if you can't think before clicking "post this comment" then you might not be in the right place and getting the ban stick might just be deserved.

one of my favorite new songs.

Red - "Already Over"

Later All.

the more I hear Bobby Jindal, the more I like the guy..he's the future.

re: #15 opnion

Hey all. As for favorite guitar, I do love John Hiatt

Paratroopers Launch Biggest Battle In Afghanistan For Two Years

Near as I can tell, no US media source reported this, since it ends with a Taliban ass-whooping.

re: #126 paxnhymn

the more I hear Bobby Jindal, the more I like the guy..he's the future.

I agree

re: #126 paxnhymn

I agree, but let him develop. I'm tired of people being rushed onto the national stage as the latest fad.

re: #123 Sharmuta

Oh, good grief. That sounds like a total headache for Charles trying to figure that out, and limiting what words we can use to express ourselves. I think that perhaps we're expected to be adults here, and if you can't think before clicking "post this comment" then you might not be in the right place and getting the ban stick might just be deserved.

With all due respec, affection, and concern to Savage Nation, he had been warned with a "time out" before.

His behavior, as worrying as it is, also raises lots of questions.

re: #131 goddessoftheclassroom

With all due respec, affection, and concern to Savage Nation, he had been warned with a "time out" before.

His behavior, as worrying as it is, also raises lots of questions.

Savage? Aww hell...what happened and please be diplomatic...

re: #126 paxnhymn

the more I hear Bobby Jindal, the more I like the guy..he's the future.

Totally agree.

I'd love to see McCain choose him as Veep, but if there is any chance he would fall alongside McCain this election, I don't want that on his resumé.

Damn, looks like it's finally gone out over Lake Michigan.

Cool, a Tommy thread. Nice story about where the music came from. Isn't that the way? You get up, the sun's out, you're with the one you love, and your heart just starts singing. Put it down on tape or paper! The rest of us will say, that's the way. That's it.

re: #132 paxnhymn

Savage? Aww hell...what happened and please be diplomatic...

As I understand it from others, he was banned for threatening to shoot someone (his stepdaughter's boyfriend, I think) as well as himself.

I've been impressed with Jindal's speeches too, and I like a lot of his ideas.

HOWEVER.

He wants to have intelligent design taught in science classes. And that's a deal breaker for me.

I like Bobby Jindhal, don't get me wrong. He's bright, capable and all of that, but he's been La. governor for what 3 months now? Lets get serious.

re: #136 goddessoftheclassroom

As I understand it from others, he was banned for threatening to shoot someone (his stepdaughter's boyfriend, I think) as well as himself.

That's not good. I know he hates his stepdaughter's BF something fierce though.

Bah, I am in a foul mood. I know Charles and many lizards are fond of jazz, and I must admit that Keith Jarrett (sp?) is a talented fellow (as well as trained in classical music). But I am going to take this one day, the day on which my beloved son receives his Ph.D. from the physics department at Harvard University, a fallen institution but still the oldest educational establishment in British America, to cry out for traditional Western culture and regally to claim that if it ain't Bach--or in this case, Buxtehude--, it's schlock. After all, Buxtehude was manning the ramparts in his cathedral in Denmark when the jihadis were repulsed at the Gates of Vienna in the 1680's.

(This ContraJihadi turtle will henceforth retract his head into his shell and cease comparing jazz with the old music.)

re: #105 debutaunt

I hope so. Couldn't be soon enough. Former priest (pedophile) gets married and has kids.

He was married and had kids? What woman would sleep with that pig?

re: #137 Charles

ID has been part of his candidacy in Louisiana. I'm not sure how deeply rooted it is.

re: #137 Charles

I never quite understood the social conservatives obsession with that issue. Like you said, its a deal breaker for many, and a huge turn-off for most.

re: #123 Sharmuta

Oh, good grief. That sounds like a total headache for Charles trying to figure that out, and limiting what words we can use to express ourselves. I think that perhaps we're expected to be adults here, and if you can't think before clicking "post this comment" then you might not be in the right place and getting the ban stick might just be deserved.

Actually it isn't a particular headache. Most forms scripts come with a built-in bad word list. Some webmasters choose to turn it on, others don't. Some choose to add or subtract words from the list.

Even adults have bad days, off moments or say things in a way completely different from what they mean now and then.

re: #137 Charles

I've been impressed with Jindal's speeches too, and I like a lot of his ideas.

HOWEVER.

He wants to have intelligent design taught in science classes. And that's a deal breaker for me.

Charles, I've never known you to be a one issue person. I understand your reservations about that but we all make some compromises> i'm going to vote for a man whose only admiral achievement to me was that he was a 7 year POW survivor, and there's a ton of issues that I don't agree with McCain on, but if we can't protect ourselves, those other issues are moot. Don't let that one issue (yes I agree that it is a whacky idea, and I'm an evangelical) turn you sour on the guy.

re: #145 paxnhymn

Charles, I've never known you to be a one issue person. I understand your reservations about that but we all make some compromises> i'm going to vote for a man whose only admiral achievement to me was that he was a 7 year POW survivor, and there's a ton of issues that I don't agree with McCain on, but if we can't protect ourselves, those other issues are moot. Don't let that one issue (yes I agree that it is a whacky idea, and I'm an evangelical) turn you sour on the guy.

I'm not a one issue person, except when it comes to the intelligent design hoax. If a politician expresses support for teaching ID in schools alongside science, I'm not going to vote for him or her.

re: #140 ContraJihadi
Wow, you must be so very proud. Congrats. What an accomplishment!

re: #145 paxnhymn

fruedian slip...admirable achievement, not admiral.

re: #140 ContraJihadi

Bach would have been among the biggest jazz enthusiasts ever. He constantly pushed the envelope. He would've loved its development of harmony, its love of improvisation (an art almost dead until Bach came along and revivified it by improvising fugues), and its sheer brazen vitality. I have no doubt in my mind that, on strictly musical terms, Bach would have not only understood but have deeply admired twentieth century jazz music. He was always hearing the note around the bend.

re: #137 Charles

I've been impressed with Jindal's speeches too, and I like a lot of his ideas.

HOWEVER.

He wants to have intelligent design taught in science classes. And that's a deal breaker for me.

It isn't for me. But then when I first took biology way back when our teacher took the bull by the horns and said "this is what religion teaches" and "this is the theory of evolution."

And BTW, when I taught Anatomy and Physiology I had more than one student who insisted that men and women have different numbers of ribs (Eve made from Adam's rib.) We used to make them count the ribs until they were satisfied.

Science is about inquiry. If you leave out part of the inquiry, then it isn't science, it is voodoo.

re: #137 Charles
COULD JINDAL BE McCAIN'S REVEREND WRIGHT?

...Mr. Jindal supports teaching creationism. In September 2003, the Associated Press reported his answering "yes" on the Louisiana Family Forum's voter guide as to whether he favored teaching the "scientific weaknesses of evolution" (creationist codetalk) in public schools.... When a reporter asked his position on teaching creationism, Mr. Jindal's response clearly favored undermining the teaching of evolution: "With evolution there are flaws and gaps. I think it's appropriate to tell our students that no scientific theory can prove evolution."

That's such a bummer. The right has almost completely abandoned scientific literacy. Not good.

Oh, and jazz cats love old Bach, too.

re: #142 godfrey

ID has been part of his candidacy in Louisiana. I'm not sure how deeply rooted it is.

Remember, Jindal is a Catholic convert. Whilst even as a Catholic that's not important to me, his espousal of ID sounds more than a political nicety to get elected.

re: #152 Killgore Trout

COULD JINDAL BE McCAIN'S REVEREND WRIGHT?

That's such a bummer. The right has almost completely abandoned scientific literacy. Not good.

I agree, it's appalling.

Bobby Jindal needs to keep his promises to the people of Louisiana. In 2012 or 2016 he can think about the national stage.
re: #150 godfrey

You might be right, and I know there is jazz and there is jazz. I am just expressing my own subjectivity. I just don't happen to like the harmonic progressions used in most jazz compositions (except the older blues).

And I know some lizards don't like my opposition to intelligent design, but there it is. I'm completely opposed to this blatant anti-scientific hoax.

re: #144 galloping granny

This isn't a day care center. Again- I think were expected to be adults. And I don't think it's fair to put the responsibility of what I or anybody else says onto Charles because he doesn't have some word in a filter.

re: #147 Charles

Of all the crap that is currently taught in schools, ID, at the worst, is merely stupid. Kids are exposed to evolutionary teaching in school, tv, etc. It is not like they learn only ID.

I'm far more worried about the rewriting of history, the slanting poly sci or government and the absence of civics. I'm also far more worried about the social environment in schools: weird stuff in sex ed, violence, drugs, etc.

Way down the list of concerns is ID for a few lessons at home will correct this misinformation.

And yes, I have hired tutors to teach my kids at home -- I teach them on the road.

re: #157 ContraJihadi

Sometimes I like to listen to the simpler things.

re: #158 Charles

And I know some lizards don't like my opposition to intelligent design, but there it is.

Fortunately, some of us are not Dems and will burn you at the stake for your ideological apostasy.

Of course, ideally, it should cut both ways. ;)

re: #160 Sharmuta

This isn't a day care center. Again- I think were expected to be adults. And I don't think it's fair to put the responsibility of what I or anybody else says onto Charles because he doesn't have some word in a filter.

You know Sharm, I didn't insist that Charles install a filter, I simply said that I sometimes wished that there were one. I feel very bad about Savage. Certainly I understand Charles position, but I've also walked a mile or two in the shoes Savage is wearing right now.

Don't be such an ass.

re: #161 hermeneutics

Amen!

re: #152 Killgore Trout

Oh pleez, Killgore -- the science, engineering, business, medical and math departments in universities are more sane, conservative and Republican than ANY other department. Period.

re: #161 hermeneutics

Of all the crap that is currently taught in schools, ID, at the worst, is merely stupid. Kids are exposed to evolutionary teaching in school, tv, etc. It is not like they learn only ID.

I'm far more worried about the rewriting of history, the slanting poly sci or government and the absence of civics. I'm also far more worried about the social environment in schools: weird stuff in sex ed, violence, drugs, etc.

Way down the list of concerns is ID for a few lessons at home will correct this misinformation.

And yes, I have hired tutors to teach my kids at home -- I teach them on the road.

I'm greatly concerned at the agenda that is pushing ID into schools. This is no small matter - it's the difference between valuing science and human exploration, and retreating into Dark Ages fanaticism.

I'm opposed to ID for the same reason I'm opposed to militant Islam. And by the way, the militant Islamists are also very big on creationism.

re: #158 Charles

And I know some lizards don't like my opposition to intelligent design, but there it is. I'm completely opposed to this blatant anti-scientific hoax.

well, I guess I can view it through the eyes of some of those who feel Darwin was shoved down their throats by the NEA, et al, and ID was just a knee-jerk reaction. Yes, I know that it's not empirical data, but one has to admit that the education community has a stranglehold on education curriculum, and folks that has done us NO good at all....just speculating but maybe he's just trying to jimmy the door open. Somebody's gotta challenge them or they will perpetuate legions of mindless leftist through the public education system.

re: #161 hermeneutics

Of all the crap that is currently taught in schools, ID, at the worst, is merely stupid. Kids are exposed to evolutionary teaching in school, tv, etc. It is not like they learn only ID.

I'm far more worried about the rewriting of history, the slanting poly sci or government and the absence of civics. I'm also far more worried about the social environment in schools: weird stuff in sex ed, violence, drugs, etc.

Way down the list of concerns is ID for a few lessons at home will correct this misinformation.

And yes, I have hired tutors to teach my kids at home -- I teach them on the road.

Exactly. And I would add to your list the complete inability to do simple math without a calculator and a dependence on spell check that has made an entire generation nearly functionally illiterate.

re: #164 galloping granny

You know Sharm, I didn't insist that Charles install a filter, I simply said that I sometimes wished that there were one. I feel very bad about Savage. Certainly I understand Charles position, but I've also walked a mile or two in the shoes Savage is wearing right now.

Don't be such an ass.

There is no filter that can catch everything. I can't block out words like 'shoot' and 'kill', obviously.

re: #166 hermeneutics

Oh pleez, Killgore -- the science, engineering, business, medical and math departments in universities are more sane, conservative and Republican than ANY other department. Period.

Overwhelmingly so.

And in the absence of perfect filtering, the only choice I have when someone like savage_nation won't stop abusing this site is to block their account.

Well, Charles, I guess I would ask myself to what extent Jindal's belief in Intelligent Design would influence his political decisions; and, if it were Bobby vs. some loony lefty, which would be the lesser of two evils, given the tasks at hand. ... Kind of like, McCain is not a lizard's first choice, but compared to the Obamination?!

re: #167 Charles

I'm not going to argue with you Charles. This is your blog. I just don't think it is a big deal.

re: #171 song_and_dance_man

Are you suggesting that faith in a creator is Dark Age fanaticism?

Don't be silly.

I'm saying that belief in creationism is Dark Ages fanaticism, yes, indeed I am. But I said absolutely nothing about belief in a creator.

frankly I give a rat's butt what I came from..fact remains that I'm here.

re: #170 Charles

There is no filter that can catch everything. I can't block out words like 'shoot' and 'kill', obviously.

Sure you can. The results are not always pretty, but you "can." I monitor a science web site for middle schoolers that has blocked almost everything you can think of. One morning another monitor and I tried very hard to have a discussion about breast cancer. Very hard to do without mentioning the word breast. Or any of the million other words on the list. They forgot to block the ones the kiddies use to hit on each other with though. :)

re: #167 Charles

I'm greatly concerned at the agenda that is pushing ID into schools. This is no small matter - it's the difference between valuing science and human exploration, and retreating into Dark Ages fanaticism.

I'm opposed to ID for the same reason I'm opposed to militant Islam. And by the way, the militant Islamists are also very big on creationism.

Why not teach all theories and let the students decide? After all, teaching creationism and ID along side evolution is not endorsing it.

Look, I'm a historian. Maybe I'm stuck in my own wee bubble, but it strikes me that conservative thinking is far more prevelent in the sciences than the humanities and social sciences. Since the best and the brightest in the sciences are often conservatives, why worry about it?

Lets worry about history because, frankly, "progressive scholars" are re-writing it as I type.

re: #178 galloping granny

Sure you can. The results are not always pretty, but you "can." I monitor a science web site for middle schoolers that has blocked almost everything you can think of. One morning another monitor and I tried very hard to have a discussion about breast cancer. Very hard to do without mentioning the word breast. Or any of the million other words on the list. They forgot to block the ones the kiddies use to hit on each other with though. :)

OK! ENOUGH! IF "BOOBS" GETS BLOCKED.....

re: #179 Bob in Breckenridge

Why not teach all theories and let the students decide? After all, teaching creationism and ID along side evolution is not endorsing it.

That is exactly how I was taught way back when.

re: #178 galloping granny

Sure you can. The results are not always pretty, but you "can." I monitor a science web site for middle schoolers that has blocked almost everything you can think of. One morning another monitor and I tried very hard to have a discussion about breast cancer. Very hard to do without mentioning the word breast. Or any of the million other words on the list. They forgot to block the ones the kiddies use to hit on each other with though. :)

Well, OK... when you find that algorithm, please let me know about it. Because I haven't seen it yet.

And I seriously doubt whether LGF lizards would be happy with the kind of filter used by middle schools.

re: #161 hermeneutics

Way down the list of concerns is ID for a few lessons at home will correct this misinformation.

I disagree. From when Ben Stein was sane: How to destroy America

1).... Destroy the knowledge base on which all of mankind's scientific progress has been built by guaranteeing that such learning is confined to only a few, and spread ignorance and complacency among the many. Watch America lose its scientific and competitive edge to other nations that make a comprehensive knowledge base a rule of the society.
12) Elevate mysticism, tribalism, shamanism and fundamentalism--and be sure to exclude educated, hardworking men and women--to an equal status with technology in the public mind. Make sure that, in order to pay proper (and politically correct) respect to all different ethnic groups in America, you act as if science were on an equal footing with voodoo and history with ethnic fable.

We are still ahead in science but how long will that last without imported brainpower? We are rapidly losing our edge.

re: #179 Bob in Breckenridge

Why not teach all theories and let the students decide? After all, teaching creationism and ID along side evolution is not endorsing it.

Because ID is NOT a scientific theory. It simply is not. It should not be taught in a science class, because it is not science.

CJ

No worries, I know exactly what you mean, and I largely agree. A lot of jazz is dialed in, run the changes type stuff -- even if it's done at an impressively high level. A lot else is schmaltz. Far too much of it is disconnected from the butt and the juice and overly concerned with the brain or the navel.

That said, jazz is uniquely American and has a distinguished history. We should never tire of celebrating it.

Charles

ID is a reaction against dogmatic atheism and "scientism." Those two things also represent extremes.

I'm perfectly fine with a science teacher saying, "well, there are still questions that need to be answered in evolutionary theory." What I'm not fine with is a science teacher saying, "there's a problem in the theory here, so let's stop scientific inquiry and chalk it up to a Creative action we can't fathom." That kills the spirit of free inquiry and is bad for kids.

re: #180 hermeneutics

prevalent.

My credibility is shot! Laughing here.

re: #180 hermeneutics

Look, I'm a historian.

Hey, me too. Well, on paper...

Lets worry about history because, frankly, "progressive scholars" are re-writing it as I type.

I'm off to read my new Kindle book, The Politics Of Historical Vision: Marx, Foucault, and Habermas, as we speak. Wish me luck.

/catch you guys later

re: #155 vbspurs

Catholicism doesn't insist on creationism.

re: #178 galloping granny

Sure you can. The results are not always pretty, but you "can." I monitor a science web site for middle schoolers that has blocked almost everything you can think of. One morning another monitor and I tried very hard to have a discussion about breast cancer. Very hard to do without mentioning the word breast. Or any of the million other words on the list. They forgot to block the ones the kiddies use to hit on each other with though. :)

I noticed at my local library the KosKommies, Huffingpo's, and DUmmies are blocked due to profanity. LGF is not blocked.

re: #183 Charles

Well, OK... when you find that algorithm, please let me know about it. Because I haven't seen it yet.

And I seriously doubt whether LGF lizards would be happy with the kind of filter used by middle schools.

[deleted] no I don't want my [deleted][deleted][deleted] content filtered by any......HEY!

:-D

re: #173 Charles

Without starting a fight here, especially not with you, but I was wondering something. How do you feel about secularist/leftist teachers who use evolution as a tool to tell students that it's proof that God doesn't exist?

I've stated here before that I'm agnostic on the God issue, but I had one of my sons come home and tell me that the teacher pushing an agenda..saying that evolution was proof that God didn't exist. I was appalled by that.
If ID appalls you, the opposite must appall you also?

re: #172 galloping granny

Overwhelmingly so.

True, I don't believe I've met a liberal engineer yet. Most medical doctors are overwhelmingly conservative...my sister-in-law is a Ph. D candidate in mathematics and she along with her peers are maddeningly politically care-free. But not liberal nonetheless. Which is saying something in Eugene, OR.

re: #140 ContraJihadi

Outstanding achievement by your son! And congratulations to you and him!

You must have instilled a love of science (essentially, a curiosity about how things work) in him... Not to mention a keen math ability... ;)

Kudos, and I hope he's followed your political leanings!

/in my experience, there are far fewer moonbats in the hard sciences than the soft, as there are objectively correct answers in hard sciences, which moonbats despise...

re: #167 Charles

Well said.

re: #188 vbspurs

I DO wish you luck. Good stuff, though. Sometime tell us how you like the Kindle, please. I'm curious about it.

re: #162 Mike in Georgia

Sometimes I like to listen to the simpler things.

Well, don't tell anybody, but sometimes I like to listen to doo wap; but it is at those times that I am trying to recall my callow youth.

Truth is, there is some music that speaks immediately to the emotions and is for everybody, and there is other music that magnifies the intellect and will be reserved, like a La Tache cellared for 25 years, for those times when intellectual contemplation is desired. While in democracy all must be equal before the law; in culture distinctions are valid.

re: #192 DesertSage

Without starting a fight here, especially not with you, but I was wondering something. How do you feel about secularist/leftist teachers who use evolution as a tool to tell students that it's proof that God doesn't exist?

I've stated here before that I'm agnostic on the God issue, but I had one of my sons come home and tell me that the teacher pushing an agenda..saying that evolution was proof that God didn't exist. I was appalled by that.
If ID appalls you, the opposite must appall you also?

It does, of course. A science teacher has no more business opining about religion in his science class than an ID fanatic has pushing that stuff into science classes.

re: #185 Charles

Because ID is NOT a scientific theory. It simply is not. It should not be taught in a science class, because it is not science.

Using those parameters evolution shouldn't be taught also.

re: #171 song_and_dance_man

No, and you know better!

re: #189 Dianna

Catholicism doesn't insist on creationism.

The Vatican has endorsed evolution for about 60 years.

re: #176 Charles

Quite right. Religion is the balm of the soul, not the explanation of physical events.

re: #180 hermeneutics

It's the twisting of historical events into pretzels while hunting "meaning" that drove me, screaming, from the halls of academia.

re: #183 Charles

Well, OK... when you find that algorithm, please let me know about it. Because I haven't seen it yet.

And I seriously doubt whether LGF lizards would be happy with the kind of filter used by middle schools.

Charles, I was not suggesting that you implement the thing. Middleschoolers aren't happy with the monstrosity. Can and should are two different things.

As far as the script for it goes, I have it in about a half-dozen different scripts. Easy enough to find, at least in Perl. Used to use it on my own site.

I am not questioning you or begging you to take Savage back. Your site - do as you please. I just feel very badly about the whole thing.

re: #176 Charles

Don't be silly.

I'm saying that belief in creationism is Dark Ages fanaticism, yes, indeed I am. But I said absolutely nothing about belief in a creator.

Good thing I'm Catholic! As I recall, PJP II indicated there was no conflict between Catholicism and evolution...

I've always felt that evolution was God's plan for us...

re: #201 Killgore Trout

The Vatican has endorsed evolution for about 60 years.

true, but you know I can see you with a match lighting the kindling, right?

;-)

re: #199 Bob in Breckenridge

Using those parameters evolution shouldn't be taught also.

You are displaying the kind of scientific illiteracy that many of us object to. Far too many people on the "right" no longer even understand what science is. It's simply pitiful.

I hate hearing that about Jindal. I have middle and high school age kids in public school so this topic is dear to me. I do more home tutoring in Science, basic and applied, because the text books do not always lay out info in a simple/clear way. No ID in Biology class please.

I used to moderate a talk radio message board
it was amazing the words they use to censor
things like
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I end sentences with prepositions.

re: #164 galloping granny

GAZE

re: #208 Killgore Trout

You are displaying the kind of scientific illiteracy that many of us object to. Far too many people on the "right" no longer even understand what science is. It's simply pitiful.

I'm sorry, Isaac Newton-breath. You obviously didn't comprehend my point.

re: #198 Charles

It does, of course. A science teacher has no more business opining about religion in his science class than an ID fanatic has pushing that stuff into science classes.

Thank you!

Uh-oh. I thought I'd drop in for a while, but it looks like I've walked into a bar fight.

re: #204 song_and_dance_man

Silly indeed. I don't see the separation of the two. Either there is a creator who made the wondrous reality about us or there is not. As I have said many times there will never come a time when either side of the issue can empirically prove one side or the other to the satisfaction of the other. My concern is that you have clearly stated that, in essence, by virtue of your objection to intelligent design, that there is no Creator. Now if you believe there is a Creator then surely that Creator must be intelligent.

Maybe you're missing my point. There is a "creationist" agenda that is very deliberately trying to insert the teaching of a bogus pseudo-theory into US schools. This has nothing to do with a general belief in a creator. It has to do with a politically-motivated "movement" that belongs to the far right.

How about this: We'll voucherize every child and let the parent's decide on the teachings that child receives.

The parents who choose solid scientific and math will give their child an edge. Kids that don't get a good scientific education will struggle to catch up ... but they can.

In the humanities and social sciences this would be revolutionary, you know.

i've insisted on some religiously-based textbooks for my kids, but not in the sciences. In English. They were simply the best in grammar, spelling and writing.

re: #208 Killgore Trout

You are displaying the kind of scientific illiteracy that many of us object to. Far too many people on the "right" no longer even understand what science is. It's simply pitiful.

when we get some time one day remind me to share with you my empirical evidence that God exists...

/I figured if you're gonna throw the gasoline on the embers...

re: #208 Killgore Trout

Read #198. THAT was my point.

re: #201 Killgore Trout

I know. It's one of the things about Catholicism that I appreciate.

re: #215 Lucius Septimius

It's Saturday. Have a drink and throw a few punches.

re: #184 Killgore Trout

We are still ahead in science but how long will that last without imported brainpower? We are rapidly losing our edge.

I disagree. Virtually all of the foundations of modern science have been laid by people who had a pretty firm belief in G_d the Creator. (Not religion, G_d.) The Theory of Evolution is pretty new as far as science goes and while there is "evidence" there is no incontrovertible proof. One way or another, nobody was there.

Virtually every scientific fact I can think of was at one time believed to be something else and sooner or later what we believe today will be overturned too. Scientific inquiry is about examining ALL of the possible options. When you leave out the idea that G_d created the Universe (whether or not you believe that) you teach people to consider only those facts that happen to fit their premise. That is a sure road to the death of science.

re: #215 Lucius Septimius

Uh-oh. I thought I'd drop in for a while, but it looks like I've walked into a bar fight.

nah...Sameol'shit v. 2.1

re: #199 Bob in Breckenridge

Using those parameters evolution shouldn't be taught also.

I have no idea what that means. Evolution IS science, and absolutely should be taught in science classes.

re: #184 Killgore Trout

We are still ahead in science but how long will that last without imported brainpower? We are rapidly losing our edge.

Obama has some lovely plans for slashing NASAs budget if he gets in office. Can you say brain drain. Ugh

re: #203 Dianna

It's the twisting of historical events into pretzels while hunting "meaning" that drove me, screaming, from the halls of academia.

When they twisted ME into a pretzel, hunting for what I meant and believe, I took the parchment and left. But now, I'm ready and rested for a fight and I intend to win.

re: #208 Killgore Trout

You are displaying the kind of scientific illiteracy that many of us object to. Far too many people on the "right" no longer even understand what science is. It's simply pitiful.

I do. I am a full member of the American Chemical Society medicinal and analytical divisions. And someone who has taught science at the college level. I disagree with you - and my credentials are every bit as good as yours.

re: #215 Lucius Septimius

Uh-oh. I thought I'd drop in for a while, but it looks like I've walked into a bar fight.

Let's move to a quiet table while they sock it out by the bar...

re: #221 Killgore Trout

It's Saturday. Have a drink and throw a few punches.

Beer or wine, that's the question --- the wife's out of town, so it's me and the two youngest watching Tora Tora Tora again.

re: #224 Charles

I have no idea what that means. Evolution IS science, and absolutely should be taught in science classes.

Shit, I erred...I meant Creationism. Now I see what KT meant. sorry.

re: #229 Lucius Septimius

Beer or wine, that's the question --- the wife's out of town, so it's me and the two youngest watching Tora Tora Tora again.

/sake?

re: #228 goddessoftheclassroom

Hey Goddess; how ya doin'?

Had a great seminar -- really enjoyed reading King Lear. It's a hell of a play. A sort of bleak Romance.

re: #221 Killgore Trout

It's Saturday. Have a drink and throw a few punches.

Or, as I am doing, sit in the corner, drink my beer, watch spy, duck any incoming flying objects.....and wait a few more minutes before it's time to get the steaks on the grill.......

I went to a catholic school for 13 years, I pretty much learned how to create a bong from a 2 liter pepsi bottle and an apple core.

Good times... good times..

re: #229 Lucius Septimius

Beer or wine, that's the question --- the wife's out of town, so it's me and the two youngest watching Tora Tora Tora again.

/Or Kirin.

re: #231 Bob in Breckenridge

/sake?

I am not a great fan of sake. Too many rice wine hangovers after bait binges.

Maybe science teachers would do a hell of a lot better regarding our students if the stopped pushing an anti-religious agenda and started concentrating on science.

re: #222 galloping granny

That is a sure road to the death of science.

Science does not deal with supernatural phenomenon. It's doesn't and it never will. To change the rules of science to include the supernatural would destroy science.

re: #204 song_and_dance_man

Silly indeed. I don't see the separation of the two. Either there is a creator who made the wondrous reality about us or there is not. As I have said many times there will never come a time when either side of the issue can empirically prove one side or the other to the satisfaction of the other. My concern is that you have clearly stated that, in essence, by virtue of your objection to intelligent design, that there is no Creator. Now if you believe there is a Creator then surely that Creator must be intelligent.

Sigh, I don't want to seem pugnacious, but it really is not an either/or situation as you describe it. An intelligent universe does not eo ipso suggest the existence of an abstract singular intellect supernal to the universe. Unless you should desire, I shan't explicate, but here I shall suggest a third possibility, that the very form of the the material universe is the intelligence of its structure. This was the opinion of Aristotle in pre Christian times, the opinion of Plotinus who lived at the time of Augustine, and the opinion of Nicolas Cusanus who was a cardinal of the Church in the 15th century. Citing these authors does not prove the thesis, but it shows that this third way has been entertained by serious intellects.

re: #235 Bob in Breckenridge

I think I'll tuck into one of these.

re: #234 ccrnyc

I went to a catholic school for 13 years, I pretty much learned how to create a bong from a 2 liter pepsi bottle and an apple core.

Good times... good times..

From the nuns? : )

I went to Catholic elementary school and high school, by the way, and my respect and love for science was nurtured by priests, brothers, and nuns. I'm just disgusted to see much of the GOP embracing this regressive nonsense.

re: #230 Bob in Breckenridge

Now I see what KT meant. sorry.

Ah, we had some crossed wires.

Crap, I went outside to get the mail and it's hotter than blazes out there. Come back in and BAM! ID/evolution.
I'm going back outside, see y'all in a bit.

re: #226 hermeneutics

When they twisted ME into a pretzel, hunting for what I meant and believe, I took the parchment and left. But now, I'm ready and rested for a fight and I intend to win.

Keep up the fight. There is a generation of students who need to be rescued.

re: #240 Lucius Septimius

I think I'll tuck into one of these.

Where's that from?

re: #229 Lucius Septimius

Beer or wine, that's the question

Red wine. It's health food.

re: #246 Bob in Breckenridge

Where's that from?

Bamberg, in Bavaria. Smoked beer. Appropriate for a city that burnt nearly 1000 witches.

re: #176 Charles

I'm saying that belief in creationism is Dark Ages fanaticism, yes, indeed I am. But I said absolutely nothing about belief in a creator.

I'm not quite sure of the difference between the two.

re: #234 ccrnyc
Hey, I went 13 years too but didn't get the bong instuction. You must have had the Jesuits. LOL

re: #245 Lucius Septimius

Thanks Lucius. I mean it.

re: #232 Lucius Septimius

Hey Goddess; how ya doin'?

Had a great seminar -- really enjoyed reading King Lear. It's a hell of a play. A sort of bleak Romance.

Did you know that the plot is the same as a Bohemian fairy tale? A king asks his three daughters how much they love him. the first two go on and on, but the third says, "As much as salt." The king, in fury, casts her out. Her fairy godmother puts a curse on the kingdom that since the king doesn't understand the value of salt, there shall be none--no flavor, no preserving, etc. The kings learns his lesson and begs his youngest daughter to return.

Shakespeare opted for an alternate ending.

re: #247 Killgore Trout

Red wine. It's health food.

I'm about to pop open a Rodney Strong Pinot Noir myself.

re: #243 Killgore Trout

Ah, we had some crossed wires.

I thought my point was obvious. Sorry about that.

/I swear officer, I've only had 2 beers. Don't give a TUI (Typing while intoxicated)!

re: #250 snowcrash

You should have signed up for shop class.

re: #242 Charles

I went to Catholic elementary school and high school, by the way, and my respect and love for science was nurtured by priests, brothers, and nuns. I'm just disgusted to see much of the GOP embracing this regressive nonsense.

gotcha beat there Charles. I learned from the freakin' Jesuits. Smart folks...some wild ideas...and some of them had some great stash back then...

:-D

re: #238 Killgore Trout

Science does not deal with supernatural phenomenon. It's doesn't and it never will. To change the rules of science to include the supernatural would destroy science.

Who are you kidding Killgore? Most of what is today science would have had you burned for witchcraft a couple hundred years back. "Supernatural phenomenon" is a label that means we can't explain this yet. Definitely does not mean that it does not exist.

What are your credentials for laying out the rules of science, anyway? Is there some new international body to lay out science rules I've not heard of? There is at bottom one rule: consider everything. The rest is just ethics.

re: #248 Lucius Septimius

Bamberg, in Bavaria. Smoked beer. Appropriate for a city that burnt nearly 1000 witches.

Isn't that stuff sold in 4 packs for about $14?

I was going to come back in, but maybe I'll just go watch Sybil.

:)

oh crap here comes the rain again. My daughter is trying to get home from Milwaukee - the roads have turned into raging rivers. Little Winger just called from the armory - they have been moved into their barracks. Daughter had a Code Black at the hospital - had to switch all her ventilator patients over to battery and cover them with blankets and get them away from the windows.

re: #242 Charles

It scares me. There is no worse prospect than competing fanaticisms, grappling in equal darkness.

re: #242 Charles

I went to Catholic elementary school and high school, by the way, and my respect and love for science was nurtured by priests, brothers, and nuns. I'm just disgusted to see much of the GOP embracing this regressive nonsense.

Check that out. Same here.

re: #248 Lucius Septimius

Bamberg, in Bavaria. Smoked beer. Appropriate for a city that burnt nearly 1000 witches.

Well, 1000 AS witches--I don't really think they WERE witches--do you? :)

re: #250 snowcrash

Hey, I went 13 years too but didn't get the bong instuction. You must have had the Jesuits. LOL

ROFLMAO! I didn't see your post. too funny...

elementary school homosexual curriculum

/this worries me

re: #260 Dianna

It scares me. There is no worse prospect than competing fanaticisms, grappling in equal darkness.

It scares me too. This country is already in deep trouble because of its devaluing of intellectual achievement. If ID starts being taught in schools, that will be the slippery slope to complete irrelevance.

re: #227 galloping granny

I do. I am a full member of the American Chemical Society medicinal and analytical divisions. And someone who has taught science at the college level. I disagree with you - and my credentials are every bit as good as yours.

Science is about what is observable, quantifiable/measurable, replicable, and explanatory.

Faith is only the latter, with none of the former.

I am a Christian myself, and I love science. My father is a retired chemist (WW2 veteran) who goes to mass virtually every day. He has no problem with science either. There is no conflict, and he is at peace with his profession (retired from Pfizer, where his work helped millions) and his religion.

There are some things we can know in this life, and there are some things we can't. We know what science can do -- let's teach that in schools. We have faith in religion -- let's leave that for the churches.

re: #250 snowcrash

Hey, I went 13 years too but didn't get the bong instuction. You must have had the Jesuits. LOL

Yup, and Bronx Jesuits at that, so it was some good bud.

re: #247 Killgore Trout

Oh, yes!

Red, Red Wine

OF all the crap , I mean complete absolute Crapola, they teach in the public schools, this is down on my list of worries.