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Radical Islam in North Carolina

Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 7:53:25 pm PDT

Samir Khan, the North Carolina Al Qaeda sympathizer who runs a web site that features video clips of US soldiers being killed, apparently has supporters in the local mosque—and among the local moonbats: Muslim Extremist’s Web Site Stirs Mixed Emotions in Charlotte, N.C.

Abdullah Mahmud, an acquaintance of Khan’s who attends the same mosque, the Islamic Center of Greater Charlotte, defended Khan’s viewpoints, saying his anger stems from the United States’ foreign policy and occupation of Iraq.

Mahmoud said the blood-drenched videos Khan shows of U.S. soldiers injured in combat “serve the purpose of making the reality of the Iraqi scene visible to people.”

Those videos are not much different than videos involving American soldiers targeting Iraqi civilians,” he said. “You have to look at both sides here.”

One of Khan’s neighbors, Ron Williams, also defended Khan’s right to free speech.

“Our actions (in Iraq) were interpreted broadly in the Muslim world as an attack on Islam,” Williams said, “I defend his right to speak out.”

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1 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 7:54:50pm

Fuck you Ron Williams you POS.

2 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 7:55:19pm

re: #1 Bob in Breckenridge

Fuck you Ron Williams you POS.

/I wonder if he'll defend MY right to speak out.

3 Syrah  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 7:55:58pm

I'll bet he isn't voting for McCain.

4 vbspurs  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 7:56:14pm

Just about now, Infidel4ever is licking his forefinger and ticking the air.

Yep, it's touch-and-go with these people, even in America...

5 DesertSage  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 7:56:57pm

re: #3 Syrah

I'll bet he isn't voting for McCain.

Which means he's voting for Hussein.

6 Mich-again  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 7:57:11pm
“Those videos are not much different than videos involving American soldiers targeting Iraqi civilians,” he said. “You have to look at both sides here.”

Bullshit. American soldiers don't target civilians. But the jihadis love to hide amongst them to use them as human shields.

7 EC Marm  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 7:57:34pm
Neighbors described Khan — who immigrated to the U.S. from Saudi Arabia when he was 7 years old — as “friendly” and “reserved.” They said he launched his Web site while taking classes at Central Piedmont Community College and selling Cutco knives.


Go the f home if you don't like it here. F'in loser.

8 philosoteric  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 7:57:54pm

An attack on Islam? If by attack on Islam you mean bringing democracy to Iraq making sure we're around for another century, then sure.

9 Sharmuta  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 7:58:28pm
Mahmoud said the blood-drenched videos Khan shows of U.S. soldiers injured in combat “serve the purpose of making the reality of the Iraqi scene visible to people.”

Yeah- because the msm really hides that sh*t from us.

/

10 varmint  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:00:17pm

waiting for someone to say "dissent is the highest form of patriotism".

11 Syrah  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:00:32pm

re: #8 philosoteric

An attack on Islam? If by attack on Islam you mean bringing democracy to Iraq making sure we're around for another century, then sure.

Any and all forms of resistance to the spread of the religion of peace are an attack on Islam.

12 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:00:36pm

Tonight I finally watched the DVD of "World Trade Center". Cried like a baby.

Still can not understand the liberal mindset that has forgotten what happened to us just a few short years ago.
One line in the movie, "we may not know it yet, but we are at war", really hit me. How, HOW, can the LLLs turn on their own Country?

13 wolfie  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:00:46pm

You have to look at both sides.

You have to say as many nice things about Nazi Germany as you do about America, you know. You have to understand Hitler's point of view.

We wouldn't want to be "biased" in favor of the US over murderous fanatics.

Thanks for the Enlightened wisdom, Mr. Williams.

14 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:01:13pm

B

ut one local resident has shattered that image, calling for the death of American troops in Iraq and supporting Al Qaeda through his Web site, which he reportedly runs from his parents' home.


Slacker Ackbar!

15 Alouette  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:01:16pm
One of Khan’s neighbors, Ron Williams, also defended Khan’s right to free speech.

Go to Canada and defend Mark Steyn, you shmuck.

16 Jack Reacher  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:01:28pm
“I defend his right to speak out.”

Giving aid and comfort to the enemy is "speaking out?" My dictionary has another term for that.

17 Palandine  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:01:49pm

A guy named Ron...
...in Charlotte, NC
...less than 7 years after 9/11
...stands by the "right" of a jihadi to post snuff pr0n on a website in the US.

Bad, bad craziness. How did the rot get this deep?

18 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:02:04pm

re: #1 Bob in Breckenridge

Best first post ever.

19 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:02:58pm
20 Mich-again  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:03:13pm

I would guess that the dipshit identified in the story as Ron Williams suffers from BDS and subscribes to the notion that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". As in, if he hates Bush he can't be all bad.

21 OldLineTexan  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:03:25pm

RW hearts SKM.

22 RTLM  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:03:32pm

Follow up in the Jihad-Jeep ride?

23 vbspurs  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:04:26pm

re: #5 DesertSage

Which means he's voting for Hussein.

OT: I saw Instapundit link to the Larry Johnson blog (he of the alleged Whitey Tape), where Hillary's supporters have to step over the Obama trolls hordes.

The Hillary camp dynamics are very interesting, because almost to a man, and woman they're voting for McCain*. They rightly see Barack Hussein Obama as the tool of the anti-American cadre with whom he surrounds himself. Their vitriol about this point is really stunning.

* Though a few did say they would vote for Bob Barr. ;)

24 Tigger2005  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:04:30pm

Pukes. NOW can we question their patriotism?

25 DesertSage  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:04:54pm

re: #19 song_and_dance_man

Go Lakers

/ then looks at private polls

*yeah it's tough*

They're not playing till tomorrow,
Go Lakers!

26 hermeneutics  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:05:29pm

Totally OT.
I'm reading a book, Change and Continuity in the 1984 Elections, and I have a question for you Lizards, if you don't mind.

Here's a quote from the book, p. 141: "In all of Roosevelt's elections, and in every postwar election through 1976, Jews strongly supported the Democratic presdental canddate. In 1980 a substantal minority of Jews voted for John Anderson, depriving Jimmy Carter of an absolute majority of Jewsh votes, but Carter still receved a plurality of the Jewish vote."

Note: 71 percent of Jews voted for Carter in 1976.

My question: Was the thought of voting for a Republican so repugnant that Jews chose to vote for Anderson because they couldn't support Carter? (I'm trying to understand the Jewish vote.)

27 seekeroftruth  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:05:32pm

I'm glad to see Fox covering this. This needs exposure.

28 LoFlyer  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:06:12pm

While the US hosts some radical Islamic web sites and supporters. The US has done well in assimilating moderate Muslims. We may damn the radicals, but the vast majority of American Muslims are coming through for our country. Thanks!

29 Silhouette  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:06:37pm

Reactions are mixed.

He says "Let's go to war against America, kill Americans, and take over the planet."

And reactions are mixed.

30 hazzyday  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:08:51pm

Ron Williams has his head up his ass. You can tell by his point of view.

31 DesertSage  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:08:54pm

re: #23 vbspurs

OT: I saw Instapundit link to the Larry Johnson blog (he of the alleged Whitey Tape), where Hillary's supporters have to step over the Obama trolls hordes.

The Hillary camp dynamics are very interesting, because almost to a man, and woman they're voting for McCain*. They rightly see Barack Hussein Obama as the tool of the anti-American cadre with whom he surrounds himself. Their vitriol about this point is really stunning.

* Though a few did say they would vote for Bob Barr. ;)

Which means only one thing - Barack H. Obama is a divider, not a uniter!

32 Alouette  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:08:54pm

re: #26 hermeneutics

Totally OT.
I'm reading a book, Change and Continuity in the 1984 Elections, and I have a question for you Lizards, if you don't mind.

Here's a quote from the book, p. 141: "In all of Roosevelt's elections, and in every postwar election through 1976, Jews strongly supported the Democratic presdental canddate. In 1980 a substantal minority of Jews voted for John Anderson, depriving Jimmy Carter of an absolute majority of Jewsh votes, but Carter still receved a plurality of the Jewish vote."

Note: 71 percent of Jews voted for Carter in 1976.

My question: Was the thought of voting for a Republican so repugnant that Jews chose to vote for Anderson because they couldn't support Carter? (I'm trying to understand the Jewish vote.)

WTF? Maybe it was a "butterfly ballot" kind of thing when Jews voted for Pat Buchanan thinking they were really voting for Al Gore?

33 DistantThunder  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:09:15pm

re: #12 newsjunkie_ky

Tonight I finally watched the DVD of "World Trade Center". Cried like a baby.

Still can not understand the liberal mindset that has forgotten what happened to us just a few short years ago.
One line in the movie, "we may not know it yet, but we are at war", really hit me. How, HOW, can the LLLs turn on their own Country?

Bolton gives us a clear-eyed vision of our enemy. If John Bolton had foretold the depravity of 911, many would have told him to tone it down.

While Bolton and LLL deal with the Megladon sharks of politics, Obama wants to sit with his feet hanging over the edge of the boat, watching his fishing line, hoping the fish will bite.

Bolton is the one saying....we need a bigger boat.

34 vbspurs  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:09:27pm

re: #12 newsjunkie_ky

Tonight I finally watched the DVD of "World Trade Center". Cried like a baby.

Yes, Stone was surprisingly neutral in WTC. You can sure bet that his upcoming film called "W", scheduled for an October release, will be anything but.

/Josh Brolin as Dubya, Elizabeth Banks as Laura, Richard Dreyfuss as Dick Cheney. WTF?

35 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:09:57pm

LGF spy is a whole new way to experience the LGF experience.

36 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:10:34pm

re: #12 newsjunkie_ky

Tonight I finally watched the DVD of "World Trade Center". Cried like a baby.

Still can not understand the liberal mindset that has forgotten what happened to us just a few short years ago.
One line in the movie, "we may not know it yet, but we are at war", really hit me. How, HOW, can the LLLs turn on their own Country?

I totally agree. When I saw I couldn't believe Oliver Stone made it. And I also think Nicolas Cage is a closet conservative.

37 LoFlyer  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:10:57pm

Thanks for the conversation and comments, dinner is calling, catch you on the flip side!

38 jorline  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:11:28pm

Ron Williams=asshat

39 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:11:41pm

re: #18 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Best first post ever.

Thanks.

40 vbspurs  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:11:59pm

re: #36 Bob in Breckenridge

I totally agree. When I saw I couldn't believe Oliver Stone made it. And I also think Nicolas Cage is a closet conservative.

Hmm, well, he's a huge Elvis fan. This Elvis.

41 hermeneutics  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:12:52pm

re: #32 Alouette

The loss of Jewish support dearly hurt Carter. Reagan should have been the beneficiary of this vote. He wasn't. I want to know why.

42 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:13:05pm

re: #12 newsjunkie_ky

Tonight I finally watched the DVD of "World Trade Center". Cried like a baby.

Still can not understand the liberal mindset that has forgotten what happened to us just a few short years ago.
One line in the movie, "we may not know it yet, but we are at war", really hit me. How, HOW, can the LLLs turn on their own Country?

I watch that at least once a year. It is important to remember.

43 nyc redneck  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:14:39pm

these 'mosques' are NOT places of legitimate worship.
they are war strategy rooms. these terrorists are plotting to destroy us .
they have come in like parasites to plan their military action against us w/in our own country.
we need to shut them down.

44 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:14:41pm

re: #26 hermeneutics

Totally OT.
I'm reading a book, Change and Continuity in the 1984 Elections, and I have a question for you Lizards, if you don't mind.

Here's a quote from the book, p. 141: "In all of Roosevelt's elections, and in every postwar election through 1976, Jews strongly supported the Democratic presdental canddate. In 1980 a substantal minority of Jews voted for John Anderson, depriving Jimmy Carter of an absolute majority of Jewsh votes, but Carter still receved a plurality of the Jewish vote."

Note: 71 percent of Jews voted for Carter in 1976.

My question: Was the thought of voting for a Republican so repugnant that Jews chose to vote for Anderson because they couldn't support Carter? (I'm trying to understand the Jewish vote.)

/No. Anderson promised a gefilte fish in every pot.

45 OldLineTexan  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:15:03pm

re: #31 DesertSage

Which means only one thing - Barack H. Obama is a divider, not a uniter!

Anything divided by BHO is not a number.

/math humor

46 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:15:16pm

re: #36 Bob in Breckenridge

I totally agree. When I saw I couldn't believe Oliver Stone made it. And I also think Nicolas Cage is a closet conservative.

oops. I said earlier I watch this once a year - it isn't this one I watch, it's the one made by the 2 French journalists who were with a NYC fire house on 9/11.

47 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:15:44pm

Gee, maybe we should bring our troops home.

/if it weren't for the Posse Comitatus Act

48 hermeneutics  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:15:49pm

re: #44 Bob in Breckenridge

I think I'll return to reading, Bob.

49 Syrah  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:16:00pm

re: #41 hermeneutics

It is an interesting question.

So much time has passed that it might be difficult to get an answer. You may have to go to sources from that time period.

50 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:16:01pm

re: #35 Killgore Trout

LGF spy is a whole new way to experience the LGF experience.

I love the LGF spy. I just love it.

51 wolfie  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:16:33pm

re: #40 vbspurs

Hmm, well, he's a huge Elvis fan. This Elvis.

There IS no other !

52 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:17:25pm

re: #37 LoFlyer

Thanks for the conversation and comments, dinner is calling, catch you on the flip side!

Easy on the baked beans, loflyer.

53 yenta-fada  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:17:33pm

re: #26 hermeneutics

When you figure out the American Jewish vote, then try to figure out why so many Israelis have believed that peace with Paleostinians was possible. I mean that in a sad way.

I can take a stab at it and point to the fact that Jews have a tendency to identify with the underdog. I don't know enough about the Torah to determine its effects on the Jewish psyche, but I'm sure the idea of justice and fairness is an enduring theme. Another factor is the centuries of marginalization and oppression meted out to Jews has forged an identity that is not quickly shed. Then there's the story of the Jewish class with their schoolteacher out for a field trip at the museum. One kid complained, saying his was thirsty. The teacher told him, "Suffer, it's good for your character."

54 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:17:59pm

World Trade Center is a great movie. I don't think any strong man can watch it without crying and having murderous thoughts though.

God remember with mercy the innocents who died that day and grant them forgiveness of all wrongs.

And for the guilty: Lousy bastards.

55 Silhouette  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:18:21pm
“Our actions (in Iraq) were interpreted broadly in the Muslim world as an attack on Islam,”

Nothing says "attack on Islam" like freeing 53 million Muslims from tyranical murderering dictators.

56 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:18:42pm

re: #34 vbspurs
I hate the thought of what stone will do. and brolin and dreyfus, gimme a break.

57 yenta-fada  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:18:54pm

PIMF #53 he, not his

58 hermeneutics  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:19:16pm

re: #49 Syrah

Oh, thank you Syrah. I was hoping some of the posters here would recall that election and explain it. Oh well.

re: #53 yenta-fada

Thanks, Yenta -- I'm borrowing your anecdote, if you don't mind.

59 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:19:37pm

re: #40 vbspurs

Hmm, well, he's a huge Elvis fan. This Elvis.

Was there another Elvis? : )

/Costello doesn't count.

60 yesandno  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:19:54pm

And how were our actions in Kuwait in the last century and then again in Serbia viewed by the Muslim world.............? Ron needs a clue.


/pick and choose, pick and choose.

61 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:20:08pm

re: #36 Bob in Breckenridge

I think he is too.
Stone did a great job in his direction or the editor did a great job in editing.
I sometimes think a movie is made or lost in the editing room.

62 Mich-again  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:20:16pm

re: #43 nyc redneck

we need to shut them down.

At least cut off the tax deduction. Geesh to think the taxpayers are subsidizing sedition is crazy.

I say this. Sedition in a church of any sort should be treated the exact same way as if it were being spouted on a street corner. Church doors do not inoculate against treason.

63 vbspurs  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:21:26pm

re: #32 Alouette

WTF? Maybe it was a "butterfly ballot" kind of thing when Jews voted for Pat Buchanan thinking they were really voting for Al Gore?

Did you ever read David Frum's "The Right Man: The Surprise Presidency of George W. Bush"? In it, he postulated why Jews dislike GW Bush so much: Frum contends that it was scary combination of being a frat boy-WASP-cowboy, which is radioactive for most Jewish people.

I'm wondering what the triggers were for Ronald Reagan, since he was much more Philosemitic than Carter (duh), or Anderson. Look what Wiki says about the latter:

"Initially, Anderson was amongst the most conservative members of the Republican caucus. In his second term as a Congressman, Anderson introduced a constitutional amendment that would have "recognize[d] the law and authority of Jesus Christ" over the United States"

No wonder he racked up the Jewish vote. Wait.

64 DistantThunder  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:21:30pm

re: #43 nyc redneck

these 'mosques' are NOT places of legitimate worship.
they are war strategy rooms. these terrorists are plotting to destroy us .
they have come in like parasites to plan their military action against us w/in our own country.
we need to shut them down.

Romney said we should bug the mosques

65 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:21:38pm

re: #42 reine.de.tout

Daughter #1 is moving to NYC later this month. I plan to be there for 9/11 this year. I will NEVER forget what happened to our Country that day. We must win this WoT.

66 Racer X  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:22:13pm

Braaaaap!

Well, the Brats put up a good fight but I drowned them in beer.

Tasty!

67 seekeroftruth  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:22:18pm

re: #55 Silhouette

Nothing says "attack on Islam" like freeing 53 million Muslims from tyranical murderering dictators.

Excellent point. I think the fact that our country freed all those Muslim people from terrible dictators is completely ignored.

68 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:22:40pm

Oliver Stone received a Bronze Star and a Purple Heart with an Oak Leaf Cluster in Vietnam.

/whatever else you think of him you've got to respect that he got his ass in the grass in combat

69 UncleSam  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:22:44pm

How can any organization which instructs its members to murder non-members, and to murder those who leave the organization, not be legally classified as a criminal organization?
And subject to prosecution for incitement to murder and conspiracy?

70 nyc redneck  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:22:54pm

re: #62 Mich-again

At least cut off the tax deduction. Geesh to think the taxpayers are subsidizing sedition is crazy.

I say this. Sedition in a church of any sort should be treated the exact same way as if it were being spouted on a street corner. Church doors do not inoculate against treason.

isn't that the truth.

71 Timbre  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:23:14pm

An excellent report called "The Al-Qaeda Media Nexus," by Daniel Kimmage may shed a lot of light on the Jihadis abroad and in the United States.

72 hermeneutics  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:23:36pm

re: #62 Mich-again

A long tradition of church-state separation treats churches and synagogues as "untouchable." Remember the sanctuary movement in the 1980s ... and now? Churches harbored illegal immigrants in their basements and justified it by saying they were "sanctuaries." The feds avoided these churches. They sat outside and waited for the illegals to exit.

With this history, I would expect sedition in a mosque or church to be ignored.

73 Intrepid  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:24:34pm

Just saw this - the stunning oratory of Barack Obama. The gaffes just keep on mounting!

McCain will eat his lunch in a debate!

74 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:25:57pm

re: #23 vbspurs

Larry Johnston isn't a reliable source. While there are vocal Hillarists who will sit this one out or vote McCain, mainstream polling suggests it's not a large fraction of the electorate. Obama gained a few points in the polls after he clinched the nomination.

This election might be close, or it might be a blowout for Obama. Anyone who thinks McCain can win big and win easy, with the economy in trouble and the war not yet visibly and conclusively won, is dreaming.

Lincoln won big in 1864, but only because by the time of the election, Sherman had taken Atlanta and was marching through Georgia. People could see that Lincoln's strategy had succeeded and that victory was just a matter of time.

If we do get to that point in Iraq before November, we still won't be there with respect to Afghanistan. And if the war goes well, the fighting will die down and the war won't be on the front page. That leaves the economy. Bush's record on the economy for the first 7 years was decent. But this last year has seen several missteps and some external shocks. There won't be any recovery by November.

The Republicans are pedaling into a headwind this time around.

75 nyc redneck  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:26:05pm

re: #64 DistantThunder

Romney said we should bug the mosques

let's do it.
why shouldn't we.
because these terrorist want an exemption based on freedom of religion, as they plan our demise.
we need to stop being stupid.

76 hermeneutics  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:26:12pm

re: #63 vbspurs

Good stuff, V B Spurs! You've made it even more mysterious.

I wish I had better insight into voting patterns. Sigh.

77 yenta-fada  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:26:33pm

If I can borrow a quote from Mae West for Ron Williams: "His mother should have thrown him away and kept the stork."

78 Purple Prose  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:27:45pm

Surprise! Surprise!

CAIR, MSA and all the rest could not possible ever consider that it just may be the immoderate actions of Islamists and so-called moderate Muslims and their no-holds-barred, in-your-face approach (and being in your face is part of the MSA strategy) that makes MOST people recoil from Islam.

Kaffirs can still think for themselves. And no matter how much the PC pressure and the cowardice exhibited in the face of CAIResque intimidation, people can still through the crap and reach their own conclusions about Islam. Lawsuits, threats or even "subtler" approaches, like handing out free Korans, will not put a balm on the obvious immoderacy of public Muslims. Is there a silent moderate Muslim majority in the U.S or Europe? Almost 7 years after 9/11, one must conclude: "No, not that I can see."

79 yesandno  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:28:26pm

re: #73 Intrepid

Just saw this - the stunning oratory of Barack Obama. The gaffes just keep on mounting!

McCain will eat his lunch in a debate!


Nothin' from Nothin"

80 vbspurs  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:28:34pm

re: #48 hermeneutics

I think I'll return to reading, Bob.

Hermeneutics, you asked earlier abt the Amazon Kindle. Without threadjacking on LGF, I'll point you to all my responses in this blog's thread.

The blog owner owned hers since December. I've owned mine since late May*. She doesn't like hers, though she did originally. Mine has changed my reading habits forever. I'm very big on it, but then, I'm a voracious reader. I highly recommend buying the Kindle.

*Since then, my father purchased another for himself.

81 abolitionist  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:28:41pm

re: #12 newsjunkie_ky

[snip]
One line in the movie, "we may not know it yet, but we are at war", really hit me. How, HOW, can the LLLs turn on their own Country?

I believe the same character (aviation exec, portraying his real-life self) said the same thing, or very close to it, in United 93.

82 Ma Sands  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:28:43pm

Hmmm...realwest lives around that area.....he's got a couple of Muslim cab driver friends....wonder what they'd have to say.....

83 wolfie  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:28:47pm

re: #73 Intrepid

Just saw this - the stunning oratory of Barack Obama. The gaffes just keep on mounting!

McCain will eat his lunch in a debate!

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA What a twit !

84 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:29:03pm

re: #44 Bob in Breckenridge

Ronald Reagan was tough medicine for liberals not happy with Carter. It took this lizard-to-be four years to realize that Reagan wasn't a right wing nut, he was just right. Anderson provided voters who sensed the wrongness of Carter a way out, a way to vote against Carter without having to swallow too big a dose of reappraisal at one gulp.

85 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:30:07pm

re: #73 Intrepid

Just saw this - the stunning oratory of Barack Obama. The gaffes just keep on mounting!

McCain will eat his lunch in a debate!

And here's Obama's Friends:
[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

86 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:31:25pm

re: #81 abolitionist
I still don't get it how LLLs have forgotten 9/11. If you bring it up, they want to change the subject. Is this what hussein means when he keeps repeating 'change'?

87 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:32:27pm

re: #81 abolitionist

I believe the same character (aviation exec, portraying his real-life self) said the same thing, or very close to it, in United 93.

Its late, but I may just watch United 93 again...

88 Tigger2005  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:33:02pm

re: #12 newsjunkie_ky

Tonight I finally watched the DVD of "World Trade Center". Cried like a baby.

Still can not understand the liberal mindset that has forgotten what happened to us just a few short years ago.
One line in the movie, "we may not know it yet, but we are at war", really hit me. How, HOW, can the LLLs turn on their own Country?

Easy. They don't really believe in ANYTHING America stands for. Nothing at all. In fact, they don't believe in Western, Greco-Roman, Judeo-Christian, Renaissance, Enlightenment civilization, period. It is all an immense, evil white man's crime against people of color and against feelings and emotions and irrationality and Mother Earth and the Goddess and nature spirits.

Reason, logic, rationality, a commitment to truth, justice, individual rights, freedom of speech, common sense, tolerance, moderation, civics, democracy, capitalism, meritocracy, scientific inquiry, etc., these are all the evil constructs of the "Man" and must be rejected.

89 Carolyn  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:33:15pm

The reactions from the other moslems are just BS.
The Imam said something about how Mo didn't kill kids or women....
a real peach , he was.
/

90 hermeneutics  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:33:27pm

re: #80 vbspurs

Is your father's name Jeff?

91 philosoteric  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:34:01pm

re: #11 Syrah

Hear, hear. Hell, Spencer's 'Jihad Watch' is an attack on Islam.

But I'm sure we all know that already. :)

92 vbspurs  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:34:37pm

re: #90 hermeneutics

Is your father's name Jeff?

Charles, actually. ;)

93 RTLM  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:34:48pm

re: #68 Killian Bundy

Oliver Stone received a Bronze Star and a Purple Heart with an Oak Leaf Cluster in Vietnam.

/whatever else you think of him you've got to respect that he got his ass in the grass in combat

Respect given to all Vets.

John Kerry got himself some medals too. Marketed the fact.

Oliver Stone made 'Midnight Express'. One of the best movies ever.
(then he made 'Alexander')

It's where Oliver Stone's brain is today that makes me disrespect him now.

94 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:35:46pm

Low-class, punk-ass motherfucker.

95 hermeneutics  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:35:58pm

re: #92 vbspurs

I conversed with a man a few weeks ago who lavished praise on his Kindle and saying he had bought them for his two adult children. Just thought you may be one of them, that's all. It IS a small world, you know.

96 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:36:17pm

re: #88 Tigger2005
You nailed it. That is exactly what my philosophy prof said over and over in class. She is a true lefty goddess worshipping twit.
We became friends and used to hang out but got into a major email war after 9/11. I can't be friends with loons anymore.

97 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:37:04pm

This is the 9/11 movie that everyone should watch once a year, in my opinion. There is no way to forget the horror of that day - it's all here.

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

98 vbspurs  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:37:51pm

re: #95 hermeneutics

It IS a small world, you know.

Oh! I thought you meant is my dad Jeff Bezos. ;)

99 pingjockey  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:38:07pm

re: #94 MandyManners
Who are you leveling that invective at? The twit defending this terrorist?

100 Ma Sands  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:38:21pm

re: #91 philosoteric

Does your nic have to do with any of this? :)

101 hermeneutics  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:38:59pm

re: #98 vbspurs

Laughter. I'm so sorry. I'm tired, lost my glasses and am making all sorts of grammatical and logical errors.

For the rest of the night, I'll lurk, read and stay silent.

102 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:39:31pm

re: #46 reine.de.tout

oops. I said earlier I watch this once a year - it isn't this one I watch, it's the one made by the 2 French journalists who were with a NYC fire house on 9/11.

Oh, I saw that also. it was excellent.

103 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:39:53pm

re: #97 reine.de.tout
I've watched that many times. Excellent.
I guess we'll never see the DVD of "The Path to 9/11".

104 Ma Sands  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:40:41pm

re: #101 hermeneutics

Yeah, I've found the computer screen doesn't read so well if one presses their nose against it in an effort to see..... :)

105 MikeyHunt  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:40:45pm

from the article... "“Those videos are not much different than videos involving American soldiers targeting Iraqi civilians,” he said. “You have to look at both sides here.”

please , sir, point me to a video .. any video... that shows "American soldiers targeting Iraqi civilians" yes, I'll wait.

On the other hand ..how are we able to detect your terrorist heros from civilians, when the bloody cowards wear civilian clothes , mingle amonst civilians , and use civilians as shields.

If I was your DAD I would give you 'the belt'.... ground you ....and take away your internet privileges.

You make me sick that you are a human being on this earth.

106 razorbacker  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:41:09pm

I defend his right to speak out too.

Easier to find them when they're gobbling.

It's when the turkeys go silent that you have trouble hunting them.

107 vbspurs  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:41:17pm

re: #97 reine.de.tout

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

Not only +1, but thanks for the reminder. That and War and Decision by Douglas Feith should be required 9/11 reading.

/and not Loose Change + Zeitgeist...

108 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:42:27pm

re: #73 Intrepid

Just saw this - the stunning oratory of Barack Obama. The gaffes just keep on mounting!

McCain will eat his lunch in a debate!

This is a man that can't even keep his wits in ad-lib oratory of his own choosing. Think about that.

109 pat  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:42:48pm

Sounds to me like this Mosque is the partner 'church' to Trinity.

110 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:42:49pm

re: #61 newsjunkie_ky

I think he is too.
Stone did a great job in his direction or the editor did a great job in editing.
I sometimes think a movie is made or lost in the editing room.

agreed.

111 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:43:06pm

re: #99 pingjockey

Who are you leveling that invective at? The twit defending this terrorist?

Why would you ask that question?

112 Macker  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:43:10pm
One of Khan’s neighbors, Ron Williams, also defended Khan’s right to free speech.

“Our actions (in Iraq) were interpreted broadly in the Muslim world as an attack on Islam,” Williams said, “I defend his right to speak out.”

I'll bet he works only 27 minutes a day too.

113 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:45:00pm

re: #87 David IV of Georgia

Its late, but I may just watch United 93 again...

United 93 was just plain brilliant. I wasn't even sure where I was when I walked out of the theater. The same director followed up that tour de force with his scintillating direction of The Bourne Ultimatum, quite possibly the best directed action-suspense thriller ever filmed.

114 solomonpanting  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:45:43pm
Neighbors described Khan — who immigrated to the U.S. from Saudi Arabia when he was 7 years old — as “friendly” and “reserved.” They said he launched his Web site while taking classes at Central Piedmont Community College and selling Cutco knives.

Knives? Hmmmm....

115 Charles  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:48:19pm

And now I'm going to post another announcement so that I don't get a million questions, even though I probably will anyway.

Song and dance man apparently got tired of having an LGF account tonight.

116 Charles  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:49:18pm

There seems to be a lot of this going around.

117 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:49:54pm

re: #115 Charles

And now I'm going to post another announcement so that I don't get a million questions, even though I probably will anyway.

Song and dance man apparently got tired of having an LGF account tonight.

Oh, no.

Oh, no.

118 imtoast  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:50:40pm

re: #7 EC Marm

Go the f home if you don't like it here. F'in loser.

And take Ron Williams with you.

119 ccrnyc  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:50:40pm

i like my lgf account..

120 jorline  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:50:53pm

re: #115 Charles

And now I'm going to post another announcement so that I don't get a million questions, even though I probably will anyway.

Song and dance man apparently got tired of having an LGF account tonight.

Did you give him your blessing when he left, Charles.

121 Purple Prose  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:51:31pm

It's odd that the fact that RFK was assassinated at the hands of a Palestinian, Sirhan Sirhan, is rarely commented upon these days. Sirhan Sirhan himself said he acted because of RFK's support of Israel. RFK was a victim of Jihad. He made himself an enemy of the Ummah in 1948, as a reporter writing about "Palestine."

[Link: www.jcpa.org...]

Now that Obama no longer has the support of Hamas and, given comparisons of Obama to the young Kennedys, the Democrats might want to look around and reconsider who their friends and enemies are.

122 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:52:01pm

Good evening, everybody.

*ambles to the bar*

123 MandyManners  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:53:01pm

Posting threats to kill othes and then yourself.

Extreme disagreements about...

Never mind.

124 vbspurs  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:53:48pm

re: #123 MandyManners

Extreme disagreements about...

I'm guessing about the ID controversy earlier? I bugged out before it got heated.

125 Purple Prose  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:54:05pm

re: #115 Charles

And now I'm going to post another announcement so that I don't get a million questions, even though I probably will anyway.

Song and dance man apparently got tired of having an LGF account tonight.

After 29,724 comments since his joining in 2004? What happened?

126 yochanan  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:55:04pm

religous belief is a personal question i don't debate the subject. one way or the other.

127 nyc redneck  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:55:23pm

is he banned?

128 The Shadow Do  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:55:44pm

re: #121 Purple Prose

Now that Obama no longer has the support of Hamas and, given comparisons of Obama to the young Kennedys, the Democrats might want to look around and reconsider who their friends and enemies are.


Hamas may be sellin' but I ain't buyin'. The want Obama alright.

129 ccrnyc  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:55:49pm

re: #125 Purple Prose

After 29,724 comments since his joining in 2004? What happened?

29,723 comments that didn't cross the line I would assume.

130 blue_like_jazz  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:55:51pm

i live in charlotte.

i am trying to figure out where this fella lives.

there is a nation of islam meeting hall about 3 miles from my house, right by I-85.

the head of the CSID lives here in charlotte, too.

131 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:56:10pm

Fuck.

132 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:56:26pm

re: #119 ccrnyc

i like my lgf account..

I like mine, too. And it behooves me to remember that I am a guest in a room full of people I do not know personally; not everything is my business, and I should take care to behave in a way that will not reflect badly on the host, nor on the other folks here.

133 pat  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:56:42pm

Did I miss something again?

134 vbspurs  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:56:43pm

re: #129 ccrnyc

29,723 comments that didn't cross the line I would assume.

It's never just one post. Regrettably. :(

135 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:56:54pm

re: #121 Purple Prose

It's odd that the fact that RFK was assassinated at the hands of a Palestinian, Sirhan Sirhan, is rarely commented upon these days. Sirhan Sirhan himself said he acted because of RFK's support of Israel. RFK was a victim of Jihad. He made himself an enemy of the Ummah in 1948, as a reporter writing about "Palestine."

[Link: www.jcpa.org...]

Now that Obama no longer has the support of Hamas and, given comparisons of Obama to the young Kennedys, the Democrats might want to look around and reconsider who their friends and enemies are.

Roughly this was fairly recent news around here, but definitely worth repeating. It dovetailed nicely into the discussion of the hung jury (jury instruction confusion) regarding the "sudden jihadi" in Seattle, who killed one person and injured several others in a pre-planned attack against Jews.

That particular thread was a wonderful moby moment, btw. Many false flags showed up in the course of that rather lengthy thread.

136 razorbacker  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:58:14pm

Folks, there are probably many different ways to hunt turkeys, but I use the two that I've had the most success with over the past 40+ years.

1. Pick a likely spot. Camouflage yourself. Use your turkey call. Wait for a response. Call again. Wait for response. If you're calling well, that turkey will come running, all fanned out and ready for action. You provide the action.

2. Along about dark-thirty, begin listening. You'll hear them as they go to their roosting trees. They'll cluck and gobble and murmur as the congregate in a flock. Note the location of the roost tree. Return the next morning and wait for them to fly off the roost, taking as many as you feel the need too. Those with little sportsmanship will shoot them on the roost, but we need not encourage such actions here.

Listening is important.

137 Syrah  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:58:49pm

re: #122 Noam Sayin'

Good evening, everybody.

*ambles to the bar*

I really hate busting the wine bottle cork in half.

Can't get a bite on the bit thats left in the thragling bottle!

Trying to figure out an alternative to pushing the remainder into the bottle.

: (

138 PSGInfinity  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:58:53pm

Darn. Sorry to hear about ol' Songster.
Meantime, I think I'll hoist a Sammy to the health of the Lizard Nation.

139 Maximu§  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:59:13pm

Mahmoud said the blood-drenched videos Khan shows of U.S. soldiers injured in combat “serve the purpose of making the reality of the Iraqi scene visible to people.”

Any special agents with the FBI cruising in here tonight? You might want to pass this on to the North Carolina Field Office and have them start an investigation.

140 blue_like_jazz  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 8:59:26pm

re: #137 Syrah

stick a sharp knife in the cork remainder and twist

141 Charles  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:00:05pm

re: #135 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Roughly this was fairly recent news around here, but definitely worth repeating. It dovetailed nicely into the discussion of the hung jury (jury instruction confusion) regarding the "sudden jihadi" in Seattle, who killed one person and injured several others in a pre-planned attack against Jews.

That particular thread was a wonderful moby moment, btw. Many false flags showed up in the course of that rather lengthy thread.

I've been trying to point out that RFK was a victim of Palestinian terrorism since 2003:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

142 PSGInfinity  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:00:29pm

re: #137 Syrah

I really hate busting the wine bottle cork in half.
Can't get a bite on the bit thats left in the thragling bottle!
Trying to figure out an alternative to pushing the remainder into the bottle.
: (

There's a bit of an art to it. Obviously, you need a really good corkscrew. Beyond that, I recommend lots of practice...
:)

143 vbspurs  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:00:42pm

re: #74 lostlakehiker

Larry Johnston isn't a reliable source.

Agreed.

(Comments are hard to get lost in the shuffle. Sorry LLH)

The Republicans are pedaling into a headwind this time around.

You're right, except for the fact that this time, the Democrats chose the only Democrat who could lose an easy election, and the Republicans chose the only Republican who could win it.

144 WriterMom  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:01:11pm

So-how about the weather?

Lots of interesting weather out there in the world today..

145 Racer X  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:02:06pm

re: #144 WriterMom

So-how about the weather?

Lots of interesting weather out there in the world today..

Warm here. I like Global Warming™

146 jorline  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:02:34pm

re: #125 Purple Prose

After 29,724 comments since his joining in 2004? What happened?

Just read the Tommy Emmanuel thread, start with the end.

147 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:03:38pm

re: #137 Syrah

I really hate busting the wine bottle cork in half.

Can't get a bite on the bit thats left in the thragling bottle!

Trying to figure out an alternative to pushing the remainder into the bottle.

: (

Just shove the cork into the bottle - it floats. You might get a few bits of the cork in your pour - but it floats, just pick it out.

Never waste time getting into a wine bottle.

148 Maximu§  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:03:50pm

Song and dance man got banned?

I think one of the problems is when a veteran bloggers spends too much time and energy in here, they gets angry (for whatever reason) and lose control.

Being in here is like being in Charles house....you gotta respect it.

149 dammad  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:04:01pm

I cannot f@##$n believe this.

150 hermeneutics  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:04:14pm

re: #144 WriterMom

How's your writing going, Writermom? Give me a wee hint as to what you're working on .... pleeeeze.

151 PSGInfinity  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:04:14pm

re: #143 vbspurs

You're right, except for the fact that this time, the Democrats chose the only Democrat who could lose an easy election, and the Republicans chose the only Republican who could win it.

The bigger problem, sadly, is downticket. The forces of decency may get wiped out. After the last few years of GOP CONgressional silliness, the brand's damaged.

152 PSGInfinity  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:04:56pm

re: #149 dammad

I cannot f@##$n believe this.

?

153 razorbacker  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:05:02pm

re: #147 Noam Sayin'

Just shove the cork into the bottle - it floats. You might get a few bits of the cork in your pour - but it floats, just pick it out.

Never waste time getting into a wine bottle.

Cork? Cork?

What does cork have to do with wine? Where, exactly, does it go on the box?

154 dammad  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:05:46pm

re: #152 PSGInfinity

Ron Williams

155 PSGInfinity  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:05:47pm

re: #153 razorbacker

Cork? Cork?

What does cork have to do with wine? Where, exactly, does it go on the box?

?

156 nyc redneck  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:06:24pm

wonder what's going on.
election stress.
now's not the time.

157 pat  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:06:31pm

re: #141 Charles

I've been trying to point out that RFK was a victim of Palestinian terrorism since 2003:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

The odd thing was, we all knew that at the time. It has been erased even though the perp has said so many times, in writing.

158 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:06:45pm

re: #141 Charles
Didn't know people did not know that. Who did they think sirhan sirhan was?

159 swamprat  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:06:45pm

I hope everything possible is done to spread Khans' message. It would be great if everybody knew and understood just how peaceful Islam is. Screen shots of this man's website should be sent to our senators. Schoolchildren should study his videos. No part of his vision should be censored. Let all who desire, come to know the beauty and peace that is Islam. I hope his website counter goes to astronomical numbers. Whenever someone says "Islam is peace", we now have just the tool to confirm that wonderful idiom. Come one and all, and learn just how wonderful it is to embrace that which is the vehicle for Mohammed's' golden wisdom. .........

160 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:06:55pm

re: #155 PSGInfinity

?

The nick might give you a hint...

*ducks*

161 PSGInfinity  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:07:20pm

re: #154 dammad

Ron Williams

Ah. Threads tend to start drifting after about 100 comments or so, especially on Saturday night. Thanks, D!
(Hoists a drink in D's honour)

162 anotherindyfilmguy  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:07:52pm

re: #12 newsjunkie_ky

How, HOW, can the LLLs turn on their own Country?


The left has always been at war with the US. They did not turn so much as simply follow where the left has leading them since before the cold war began.

163 Tigger2005  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:08:41pm

re: #96 newsjunkie_ky

You nailed it. That is exactly what my philosophy prof said over and over in class. She is a true lefty goddess worshipping twit.
We became friends and used to hang out but got into a major email war after 9/11. I can't be friends with loons anymore.

One that that pisses me off to no end is when it's suggested that Western civilization is evil because, after all, the biggest wars in history were fought in Europe, the Nazis arose in Europe, the Holocaust took place in Europe. But when evil has arisen in the West in modern times, it has nearly always been atavistic in nature...an explicit REJECTION of the West's Greco-Roman, Judeo-Christian, Renaissance-Enlightenment heritage in favor of some fanciful pagan past when blood, passion, emotion, aggression, tribalism, etc. were not constrained by calls to reason, moderation, compassion, justice, and the like.

164 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:08:53pm

re: #153 razorbacker

Cork? Cork?

What does cork have to do with wine? Where, exactly, does it go on the box?

Roll up a sheet of cork to form a funnel. It will help you "decant" your wine from the box to your ... jug.

;P

165 PSGInfinity  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:09:07pm

re: #160 Noam Sayin'

The nick might give you a hint...
*ducks*

Oh dear. An Arkansas bashing thread? For shame. Count me in!
:) ;)

166 Maximu§  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:09:17pm

re: #141 Charles

I've been trying to point out that RFK was a victim of Palestinian terrorism since 2003:

The question is....Why were they allowed to get away with it? Thats an act of War.

167 WriterMom  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:09:26pm

re: #150 hermeneutics

Sorry, I got my LGF life and my real life gigs. Never the twain shall meet.

168 The Shadow Do  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:09:55pm

re: #141 Charles

I've been trying to point out that RFK was a victim of Palestinian terrorism since 2003:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Ain't no stinkin' terrorists sneakin' past this blog! No sir!

Charles, this is as good a time as any to say thanks.

/all praise to the Lizard King! Stinky wouldn't wack a sycophant would he?

169 vbspurs  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:09:57pm

re: #151 PSGInfinity

The bigger problem, sadly, is downticket. The forces of decency may get wiped out.

Ah, yes. Voter fatigue. But the mood can change on a dime with Obama.

Frankly, I think the electorate are waiting for a conclusive body blow -- a reason to say, "Not voting for him". I think a lot of non-politicised Americans are concerned they might be called racists, without it.

After the last few years of GOP CONgressional silliness, the brand's damaged.

Is that a French pun? Con = assh*le? ;)

170 Syrah  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:11:15pm

re: #140 blue_like_jazz

stick a sharp knife in the cork remainder and twist

Tried the sharp knife.

Alas, all that I managed to do was push it in.

Spitting cork bits.

171 really grumpy big dog johnson  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:12:08pm

re: #141 Charles

I've been trying to point out that RFK was a victim of Palestinian terrorism since 2003:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Clearly you were well ahead of Daniel Pipes in your enlightenment about radical Islam, Charles. You were prescient and a "distant early warning system" of the extent of this struggle. Pipes was for a long time a "five percenter" who believed strongly that radicals within that religion were a tiny minority of the whole, and simply an isolated problem to be dealt with.

Even back to the day of the assassination of RFK I was suspicious of the motives of Sirhan Sirhan. One upon a time while in college I roomed briefly with a group of middle-easterners (Iraqi, Pakistani and Persian (aka Iranian), and it wasn't hard to see that there were some very hardwired differences even back then. I didn't see them for what they were, unfortunately.

172 blue_like_jazz  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:12:30pm

re: #170 Syrah

aw, shite... sorry for your troubles!

173 razorbacker  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:13:07pm

re: #164 Noam Sayin'

When my MIL died, I came into possession of all my late FIL's wine-making equipment, including a couple of huge glass bottles (large enough to qualify as glass barrels, almost).

Unfortunately, the equipment did not come with skill built in, and I've turned out some truly spectacular paint remover.

But I shall endeavor to persevere.

174 wolfie  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:13:18pm

re: #143 vbspurs

You're right, except for the fact that this time, the Democrats chose the only Democrat who could lose an easy election, and the Republicans chose the only Republican who could win it.

I think you're right.
And isn't it bizarre ? (Twilight Zone music)

175 Syrah  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:13:20pm

re: #142 PSGInfinity

There's a bit of an art to it. Obviously, you need a really good corkscrew. Beyond that, I recommend lots of practice...
:)

First failure in years.

A better corkscrew is going on the top of the shopping list.

176 anotherindyfilmguy  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:13:22pm

Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!
(just had to)

Ron Williams either probably cannot connect the dots (or has never had it put to him that) this is enemy propaganda that calls ultimately for his own death or enslavement. Give Khan a nice fair trial for sedition then deal with him in a manner fitting for traitors (who are not of Jane Fonda's ilk etc)...

177 Tigger2005  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:14:13pm

re: #163 Tigger2005

One that that pisses me off to no end is when it's suggested that Western civilization is evil because, after all, the biggest wars in history were fought in Europe, the Nazis arose in Europe, the Holocaust took place in Europe. But when evil has arisen in the West in modern times, it has nearly always been atavistic in nature...an explicit REJECTION of the West's Greco-Roman, Judeo-Christian, Renaissance-Enlightenment heritage in favor of some fanciful pagan past when blood, passion, emotion, aggression, tribalism, etc. were not constrained by calls to reason, moderation, compassion, justice, and the like.

And I meant to add: Unfortunately, when this happens, many of the products of our Greco-Roman, Judeo-Christian, Renaissance-Enlightenment heritage are forced into the service of an evil, irrational agenda.

178 PSGInfinity  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:14:30pm

re: #169 vbspurs

Is that a French pun? Con = assh*le? ;)

More like the opposite of Progress. But this shoe fits them as well, and I thank you for your, um, insight. :)

179 DistantThunder  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:14:34pm

re: #7 EC Marm

Go the f home if you don't like it here. F'in loser.

Go bake in 130 degree heat in Saudi ARabia

180 Syrah  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:14:51pm

re: #147 Noam Sayin'

Just shove the cork into the bottle - it floats. You might get a few bits of the cork in your pour - but it floats, just pick it out.

Never waste time getting into a wine bottle.

Done.

181 WriterMom  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:15:00pm

The staunchest defenders of radical Islamist and jihadi terrorists should be branded with their religion on their foreheads and then dropped into the Islamic society of their choice for a little tour. I love it when these POS sit in their comfy Western countries and defend the barbaric death cult and all their 7th century barbarity, FGM, tribalism and pathological blood-lust and killing sprees in the name of their religion.

Fuck all the sympathizers-may they all rot. Lord knows their souls already have.

182 Racer X  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:15:15pm
183 WriterMom  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:15:32pm

AND HAVE A NICE DAY!

184 Syrah  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:15:50pm

re: #172 blue_like_jazz

No troubles. Cork bits, but no troubles.

185 Charles  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:15:55pm

I've just deleted the 13 links that were posted to Larry Johnson's disgusting blog. And that URL will no longer be allowed in our spinoff links.

186 vbspurs  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:16:01pm

re: #178 PSGInfinity

More like the opposite of Progress. But this shoe fits them as well, and I thank you for your, um, insight. :)

Ah, gotcha. I thought you might be French (PSG). I'm Nantes, BTW.

/don't hate me.

187 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:16:18pm

re: #173 razorbacker

No shame in making a good vinegar. Maybe you've stumbled on a niche market.

188 WriterMom  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:17:10pm

The problem with napping on Shabbat is I am wired...up past my bed time. GA.

189 gop_patriot  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:17:31pm
Neighbors described Khan — who immigrated to the U.S. from Saudi Arabia when he was 7 years old — as “friendly” and “reserved.” They said he launched his Web site while taking classes at Central Piedmont Community College and selling Cutco knives.

Abdullah Mahmud, an acquaintance of Khan’s who attends the same mosque, the Islamic Center of Greater Charlotte, defended Khan's viewpoints, saying his anger stems from the United States' foreign policy and occupation of Iraq.

I'm thinking that this mosque needs to be investigated, sooner rather than later.

This young man has been in THIS country since he was seven years old; which means what he believes about Islam was probably learned here in THIS country. I hope that the Islamic Center of Greater Charlotte (good Lord, is this in my South? God help us) has been thoroughly infiltrated and we will soon see it shut down and the jihadist POSs deported.

190 Syrah  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:17:46pm

re: #181 WriterMom

Its called a zabiba. They "brand" themselves.

191 anotherindyfilmguy  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:18:03pm

re: #143 vbspurs

I have mixed thoughts on this...

McCain could easily miss opportunities by "taking the honorable high road" while Obama can profess to do so as well while the press chews McCains shirt off and further dieficates Orgasmobama... Look at how the press railroaded Clinton... McCain will have to deal with that effectively or he will lose barring some huge scandal about Osamabama that the MSM doesn't collectively ignore... If McCain refuses to go into attack mode he will lose.

192 Racer X  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:18:26pm

re: #173 razorbacker

When my MIL died, I came into possession of all my late FIL's wine-making equipment, including a couple of huge glass bottles (large enough to qualify as glass barrels, almost).

Unfortunately, the equipment did not come with skill built in, and I've turned out some truly spectacular paint remover.

But I shall endeavor to persevere.

The same equipment can be used to make beer. Try it - it's a little easier than wine (tastier too - I hate wine).

Joy of Home Brewing

193 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:19:12pm

re: #165 PSGInfinity

Oh dear. An Arkansas bashing thread? For shame. Count me in!
:) ;)

Just teasing him a bit. For razorbacker.

194 razorbacker  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:19:16pm

re: #187 Noam Sayin'

No shame in making a good vinegar. Maybe you've stumbled on a niche market.

It aspires to vinegarhood.

All kidding aside, for home use I've got something my daughter brought me from Napa Valley. It says Estate pat. pend. and has the initials CM on it. Works every time, and we all know that it's that third or fourth bottle that has the defective cork.

195 pat  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:19:30pm

I have already said what I will about Michelle Obama.I do not believe a woman of her upbringing deposited her kids in Sunday school then went nuts in church. Her stump speeches got out of hand. It happens.

196 DistantThunder  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:19:33pm

Heard an author on RFK murder. Sound tests now confirm 13 bullets shot in 5 seconds. The fatal bullets were fired from the side to his temple and under arm within 5 inches. Sirhan was several feet away and in front of him - they believe they found all of Sirhan's bullets in other people, and in the walls. The venue guard who was in the position to kill him, never has his gun confiscated...later he claim that he had sold it 3 months before the murder - turns out it was 3 months after the murder - bullets too deformed for ballistics - according to reports.

Evidence point to Sirhan having been programmed - flat affect - no memory of the event.

197 DistantThunder  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:20:10pm

re: #185 Charles

I've just deleted the 13 links that were posted to Larry Johnson's disgusting blog. And that URL will no longer be allowed in our spinoff links.

quite the whack job that one

198 Dianna  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:20:26pm

OT: Desert tonight is Scharfenberger semi-sweet chocolate mousse with raspberries.

The mousse is a bit more like zabbionni, but I still licked the spoon.

199 saneinmn  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:20:33pm

143 Vbspurs...

You're right, except for the fact that this time, the Democrats chose the only Democrat who could lose an easy election, and the Republicans chose the only Republican who could win it.

I agree with your analysis regarding Obama, however, McCain is an exceptionally weak candidate. Except for Iraq, how does McCain demonstrate to voters that there are clear cut differences between him and Obama on key issues? They both favor a cap and trade program, they both are for closing down Gitmo, they both favor amnesty, McCain did not vote for the Bush tax cuts (although he now says he would extend them), Gang of 14, McCain-Feingold, etc. I'm not arguing that they are one in the same regarding ideology or policy. What I am saying is that McCain is liberal light, that is, many of his policies are nothing more than watered down Obama-speak. The only unambiguous exception would be spending. Add to that Obama is far more charismatic (typical charlatan), has the media in his pocket, and is way ahead money-wise. I predict Obama winning an exceptionally close race.

200 jorline  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:20:37pm

It's going to be a wild election year. Israel's October Surprise

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

201 solomonpanting  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:20:47pm

re: #181 WriterMom

I love it when these POS sit in their comfy Western countries and defend the barbaric death cult and all their 7th century barbarity, FGM, tribalism and pathological blood-lust and killing sprees in the name of their religion.

I made the same argument way back when in a college poly sci class after someone brought up the "paradise" that is Fidel's Cuba.

202 razorbacker  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:21:39pm

re: #193 Noam Sayin'

Just teasing him a bit. For razorbacker.

It's an Arkansas world, baby. Just be thankful you're allowed to participate;)

203 Purple Prose  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:21:48pm

The website of Mr. Kahn (using NYT and British style here) has been reported on in the media before and apparently been on the radar screen of the FBI for a while. It could easily be legally shut down on a number of grounds that trump the First Amendment. I think it unlikely that political correctness has hamstrung the FBI on this either. This is REAL LIVE jihadi website that generates REAL intelligence. It and Mr. Kahn are being carefully monitored. Thank Allah that Muslims are always overconfident and overplaying their hand: despite Mr. Kahn knowing he is being watched closely, he has probably continued to let snippets get through that are useful intelligence. For example, the snuff videos he posts probably have useful digital clues about who is making and distributing the digital clips.

The shocking thing about the story is that there are "mixed emotions" about his site. I hope that those who raise support for this absolutely over-the-top site are being added to the FBI files as "people of interest" if they are already not there.

204 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:22:10pm

re: #195 pat

I give a little slack toward a passion for the contest, but some of what she says is a little ... bitchy.

205 vbspurs  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:22:38pm

re: #191 anotherindyfilmguy

If McCain refuses to go into attack mode he will lose.

McCain didn't lay a glove on Obama these past 5 months. Hillary and her "surrogates" did that for him -- in the meantime, he looked presidential, like a father waiting for his brats to cool it. So though normally I would agree, this time I think a lot of disgruntled Democrat votes are at play and he shouldn't be that open in his distaste. It could backfire.

It's a tough call. I may regret having said that.

206 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:23:27pm

re: #198 Dianna

OT: Desert tonight is Scharfenberger semi-sweet chocolate mousse with raspberries.

The mousse is a bit more like zabbionni, but I still licked the spoon.

Huh...

I never knew Sage was a cross-dresser.

What you don't learn about yer buddies on LGF.

*runs*

207 LeePro  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:23:33pm

re: #163 Tigger2005

One that that pisses me off to no end is when it's suggested that Western civilization is evil because, after all, the biggest wars in history were fought in Europe, the Nazis arose in Europe, the Holocaust took place in Europe. But when evil has arisen in the West in modern times, it has nearly always been atavistic in nature...an explicit REJECTION of the West's Greco-Roman, Judeo-Christian, Renaissance-Enlightenment heritage in favor of some fanciful pagan past when blood, passion, emotion, aggression, tribalism, etc. were not constrained by calls to reason, moderation, compassion, justice, and the like.

And you, my dear, must now turn yourself in for comma rehab!

208 PSGInfinity  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:23:59pm

re: #186 vbspurs

Ah, gotcha. I thought you might be French (PSG). I'm Nantes, BTW.
/don't hate me.

Hate? I'm part French (in that American, mongrel fashion), love the food, and find them (mostly) surprisingly charming. Are you living there now?

209 The Shadow Do  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:24:06pm

re: #191 anotherindyfilmguy

I have mixed thoughts on this...

McCain could easily miss opportunities by "taking the honorable high road" while Obama can profess to do so as well while the press chews McCains shirt off and further dieficates Orgasmobama... Look at how the press railroaded Clinton... McCain will have to deal with that effectively or he will lose barring some huge scandal about Osamabama that the MSM doesn't collectively ignore... If McCain refuses to go into attack mode he will lose.

I agree. He should take a couple of serious groin shots at him in the first round. Sort of sets the tempo. Obama would be dazed and confused, he is used to folks doing the eggshell walk around him.

210 Racer X  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:24:18pm

re: #200 jorline

It's going to be a wild election year. Israel's October Surprise

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

I keep hearing that. What would an Israeli strike accomplish? Would it merely stir the hornets nest? My thought is it is better to run covert ops to bring down Iran from within. Cheaper in the long run.

211 razorbacker  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:24:31pm

re: #192 Racer X

The same equipment can be used to make beer. Try it - it's a little easier than wine (tastier too - I hate wine).

Joy of Home Brewing

I've tried homemade beer, and I can usually buy superior brew.

But if you hanker for blackberry, or cherry, or strawberry, or muskadine, or (a personal favorite) watermelon wine the best way is homemade.

212 vbspurs  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:25:22pm

re: #208 PSGInfinity

Are you living there now?

No, no. I'm a naturalised American citizen from the Great State of Florida. Look any no-fault State is great, okay? ;)

213 anotherindyfilmguy  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:25:59pm

re: #210 Racer X

A few more years without Israel being nuked...

214 The Shadow Do  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:26:25pm

re: #199 saneinmn

143 Vbspurs...

I agree with your analysis regarding Obama, however, McCain is an exceptionally weak candidate. Except for Iraq, how does McCain demonstrate to voters that there are clear cut differences between him and Obama on key issues? They both favor a cap and trade program, they both are for closing down Gitmo, they both favor amnesty, McCain did not vote for the Bush tax cuts (although he now says he would extend them), Gang of 14, McCain-Feingold, etc. I'm not arguing that they are one in the same regarding ideology or policy. What I am saying is that McCain is liberal light, that is, many of his policies are nothing more than watered down Obama-speak. The only unambiguous exception would be spending. Add to that Obama is far more charismatic (typical charlatan), has the media in his pocket, and is way ahead money-wise. I predict Obama winning an exceptionally close race.

Tax and spend a pretty tough sell in the present climate.

215 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:26:36pm

re: #202 razorbacker

It's an Arkansas world, baby. Just be thankful you're allowed to participate;)

Love the Ozark Mountain Daredevils.

216 pat  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:26:39pm

re: #204 Noam Sayin'

I give a little slack toward a passion for the contest, but some of what she says is a little ... bitchy.

I surely agree with that! A chip on her shoulder (cultured in like a fine pearl by the MSM), and a smart and hard woman standing before the prize. Oh yes. Michelle will be bitchy. But I can get that at home for no reason.

217 anotherindyfilmguy  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:26:58pm

Possibly even a regional slowdown in the nuke race...

218 razorbacker  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:27:43pm

Good grief. I can't believe she would pay that much for a freaking corkscrew. Plus stand.

[Link: www.beveragefactory.com...]

I'll have to be extra nice to her when she comes Father's Day.

219 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:28:17pm

re: #196 DistantThunder

Too many bullets. Too few in his brother's case.

/although, for some peculiar reason, the records are sealed for decades to come, who knows what the truth is?

220 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:29:09pm

Past my bedtime. I hate to leave, especially what with Fearless Leader being so active and all in the comments tonight, but I just can't keep my eyes open. Good night all, and it would be nice if we remembered to give thanks we were fortunate enough to have today.

221 jorline  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:29:51pm

re: #210 Racer X

I keep hearing that. What would an Israeli strike accomplish? Would it merely stir the hornets nest? My thought is it is better to run covert ops to bring down Iran from within. Cheaper in the long run.

A "covert ops to bring down Iran from within" would not send the message Israel wants everone to understand in the region.

222 nyc redneck  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:29:56pm

re: #195 pat

I have already said what I will about Michelle Obama.I do not believe a woman of her upbringing deposited her kids in Sunday school then went nuts in church. Her stump speeches got out of hand. It happens.

she sat in church w/ her kids and listened to the rev spew his hate.
that was a way of life to her. nothing out of the ordinary for her to spew the same thing in front of her kids or anyone. they made tapes of that vile bilge, like it was something to be proud of.

223 Racer X  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:30:00pm

re: #211 razorbacker

I've tried homemade beer, and I can usually buy superior brew.

True. The best beer I have ever had - I made it. I have also made some pretty bad stuff tho.

OMG!

I just remembered what I named that beer (the best one) - Red Lizard Ale! That was 15 years ago.

224 Purple Prose  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:30:02pm

RFK saw that the conflict in the Levant was about Jihad in 1948. Even now, the Israeli/Palestinian question is almost never put into such a context, despite the conquest/election of Gaza by Hamas. That is why "land for peace" will never work. It's about Jihad and Dar-al-Islam, stupid.

The die has long since been cast; the fight will take place. The Jews with their backs to the sea, fighting for their very homes, with 101 percent morale, will accept no compromise. On the other hand, the Arabs say:

Religious Crusade

"We shall bring Moslem brigades from Pakistan, we shall lead a religious crusade for all loyal followers of Mohammed, we shall crush forever the invader. Whether it takes three months, three years, or 30, we will carry on the fight. Palestine will be Arab. We shall accept no compromise."

[Link: www.jcpa.org...]

225 PSGInfinity  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:31:06pm

re: #212 vbspurs

No, no. I'm a naturalised American citizen from the Great State of Florida. Look any no-fault State is great, okay? ;)

Ah, an escapee. Here in DCTown, I support a charming French researcher. And a fine old man...

226 LeePro  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:31:56pm

re: #170 Syrah

Tried the sharp knife.

Alas, all that I managed to do was push it in.

Spitting cork bits.

Try stretching a piece of cheesecloth over the top of the bottle (hold it in place when you grip the bottle) — pour.

~ wine was poison-of-choice 19 tears ago. you never forget how to ride a bike.

227 vbspurs  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:33:20pm

re: #199 saneinmn

I agree with your analysis regarding Obama, however, McCain is an exceptionally weak candidate. Except for Iraq, how does McCain demonstrate to voters that there are clear cut differences between him and Obama on key issues?

That's thinking like the incumbent Party, trying to draw a line in the political sand. McCain is actually more like an Independent candidate who lucked out (a bit like Eisenhower, really). He's not the worst choice for a fatigued electorate wanting leadership, not ideology.

I predict Obama winning an exceptionally close race.

We'll see. I hope not, if only for the legitimacy it gives his views and that of his associates.

228 razorbacker  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:35:55pm

re: #215 Noam Sayin'

Love the Ozark Mountain Daredevils.

Talked to the editor of the local weekly. He'd done a phone interview with Ronnie Hawkins (ask a Canadian, he'll know) from Huntsville (with family still in the area).

Ronnie and the Hawks included a fellow from east Ark, close to my home town named Levon Helm. Levon could drum a little, and sing a bit too. They went up to Canada and later hooked up with some unknown Jewish fellow name of...oh, I forget his name...as his backup The Band (classy name, huh).

A young fellow named Martin did a little film about their farewell concert named The Last Waltz.

Like I said, it's an Arkansas world.

229 Syrah  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:36:12pm

re: #226 LeePro

Thanks LeePro.

No worries.

No cheesecloth either.

All is well.

230 PSGInfinity  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:36:13pm
re: #212 vbspurs

No, no. I'm a naturalised American citizen from the Great State of Florida. Look any no-fault State is great, okay? ;)

The Farkers might have something to say about Florida, though...

231 Opilio  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:36:32pm

re: #226 LeePro

~ wine was poison-of-choice 19 tears ago. you never forget how to ride a bike.

Being obscurely poetic? Or did you mean years? :-D

232 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:38:48pm

John McCain: 'ABBA fan'

That's what we're learning today at the candidate's new campaign blog, The McCain Report.

Ruh roh, is that bad?

/catchy pop, but you won't find it on my iPod, not that I even own an iPod

233 PSGInfinity  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:39:36pm

BTW, if anyone's interested, song_and_dance_man got off on an Intelligent Design tangent whilst on the Tommy Emmanuel thread, called Charles out, and simply wouldn't back off. (Sigh)

234 SaneInMN  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:42:42pm

227...

That's thinking like the incumbent Party, trying to draw a line in the political sand.

No, thats thinking that in a two-party system, each party (in this case, the party's leaders) must somehow demonstrate different policies, priorities, and vision. If not, whats the point? BTW, there are obvious differences between what the Republican base wants, and what a Marxist like Obama intends to deliver. That said, a conservative candidate could easily illustrate such differences on a whole host of issues. Unfortunately, McCain is not a conservative. And if the McCain strategy hinges on picking up "independents" to offset the loss of conservative Republicans, he is already doomed.

235 PSGInfinity  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:43:42pm

re: #186 vbspurs

Ah, gotcha. I thought you might be French (PSG). I'm Nantes, BTW.

...Now I'm curious, why does PSG lead you to the French conclusion. (Is it a language quirk, for example?)

/Which would be funny, in that I keep promising myself to learn enough French to be able to pronounce the words properly.

236 jcm  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:44:36pm

re: #233 PSGInfinity

BTW, if anyone's interested, song_and_dance_man got off on an Intelligent Design tangent whilst on the Tommy Emmanuel thread, called Charles out, and simply wouldn't back off. (Sigh)

SaDM got the stick?

237 Purple Prose  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:45:01pm

Poor little Samir:

up at Samir’s house like I promised. It was a pretty disappointing experience considering he is a Jihadist wannabe.I rang the doorbell and waited for a few minutes. After a while, I rang it again. Finally, an older guy dressed in a gray gown answered the door. I asked him if Samir Khan was there and he said; “No. Please get off my property and do not come here again.” I answered that I would get off his property and asked if I could speak with him about something else, but he shut the door in my face. It is amusing that Samir hides behind his daddy.


[Link: www.therudenews.com...]

238 pat  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:45:08pm

I hate ID threads, but enjoy an intelligent design. I think Jennifer Love-Hewitt was intelligently designed. And I have hope for the Raptor.

239 LeePro  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:45:30pm

re: #189 gop_patriot

I'm thinking that this mosque needs to be investigated, sooner rather than later.

This young man has been in THIS country since he was seven years old; which means what he believes about Islam was probably learned here in THIS country. I hope that the Islamic Center of Greater Charlotte (good Lord, is this in my South? God help us) has been thoroughly infiltrated and we will soon see it shut down and the jihadist POSs deported.

Agree, gop. And then there was the Texas principal reassigned (not fired) for requiring students to attend CAIR presentation on Islam! Take you pick of links here.

Fun coffee yesterday, G. But we forgot to talk about Ghost Hunters!

%-/

240 vbspurs  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:45:51pm

re: #235 PSGInfinity

(Is it a language quirk, for example?)

No, I meant Paris Saint-Germain. A little free-association, if you will. :)

/been to Fark maybe twice in my whole life. Not on my radar, alas.

241 PSGInfinity  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:46:33pm

re: #236 jcm

SaDM got the stick?

His account's listed as "Blocked", so I guess he's earned himself a trip to the corner. At minimum.

242 Macker  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:49:26pm

re: #236 jcm

See, the debate between those who believe in Intelligent Design and those who don't is one debate I refuse to participate in. That said, those good Lizards here on both sides of that issue are not here for that...but to fight the Islamofascists.

243 jcm  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:49:32pm

re: #241 PSGInfinity

His account's listed as "Blocked", so I guess he's earned himself a trip to the corner. At minimum.

Damn!
I saw a piece of it, but didn't think it would go that far.

244 PSGInfinity  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:49:48pm

re: #240 vbspurs

No, I meant Paris Saint-Germain. A little free-association, if you will. :)
/been to Fark maybe twice in my whole life. Not on my radar, alas.

No worries regarding Fark. It's just that they've noticed such a disproportionate amount of silliness emanating from the Sunshine State they created a special "Florida" tag for their stories.

245 Purple Prose  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:50:19pm

From the world's foremost authority on Samir Khan:

[Link: mypetjawa.mu.nu...]

246 PSGInfinity  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:50:31pm

re: #243 jcm

Damn!
I saw a piece of it, but didn't think it would go that far.

I read the whole thing. It did, I assure you.

247 jcm  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:51:48pm

re: #242 Macker

See, the debate between those who believe in Intelligent Design and those who don't is one debate I refuse to participate in. That said, those good Lizards here on both sides of that issue are not here for that...but to fight the Islamofascists.

I'm firmly on the ID side in my beliefs, but I'm also trained in the sciences.

I've posted a few times on the need the respect the gulf between the two realms and to tread lightly in the area.

248 solomonpanting  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:53:06pm

re: #189 gop_patriot

I'm thinking that this mosque needs to be investigated, sooner rather than later.

This young man has been in THIS country since he was seven years old; which means what he believes about Islam was probably learned here in THIS country. I hope that the Islamic Center of Greater Charlotte (good Lord, is this in my South? God help us) has been thoroughly infiltrated and we will soon see it shut down and the jihadist POSs deported.

Ironic, isn't it, that so many fear the "Religious Right"? But what do we find when the light is shone upon Obama's (former) church? How many more are similiar in their teachings and lectures that have yet to be exposed? How many as-yet-to-be exposed mosques preach anti-US and anti-Western hate? There really is a cultural civil war in this upside down world.

249 jcm  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:54:20pm

re: #246 PSGInfinity

I read the whole thing. It did, I assure you.

I believe you, this is Charles house, his rules. End of story.

250 LeePro  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:55:28pm

re: #231 Opilio

Being obscurely poetic? Or did you mean years? :-D

PIM(f'ing)F

Years!

No wait...
Obscurely poetic? Maybe just downright Freudian! ! !

251 slokat  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:55:37pm

re: #173 razorbacker

Ah glass carboys... if you fail at wine I can teach you how to brew beer in those....

252 pat  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:55:40pm

re: #248 solomonpanting

Ironic, isn't it, that so many fear the "Religious Right"? But what do we find when the light is shone upon Obama's (former) church? How many more are similiar in their teachings and lectures that have yet to be exposed? How many as-yet-to-be exposed mosques preach anti-US and anti-Western hate? There really is a cultural civil war in this upside down world.

Ditto

253 PSGInfinity  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:55:57pm

re: #240 vbspurs

No, I meant Paris Saint-Germain. A little free-association, if you will. :)

Naaah, it's just my initials. I've thought about changing my nic, but it suits me. Thanks for noticing, though.

254 LeePro  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:57:07pm

re: #229 Syrah

Actually, any loosely-woven cloth would do. But as you say, "All is well!"

255 razorbacker  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:59:10pm

re: #248 solomonpanting

Ironic, isn't it, that so many fear the "Religious Right"? But what do we find when the light is shone upon Obama's (former) church? How many more are similiar in their teachings and lectures that have yet to be exposed? How many as-yet-to-be exposed mosques preach anti-US and anti-Western hate? There really is a cultural civil war in this upside down world.

The cult in which I was raised got a lot of grief for it's lack of patriotism during WWII. Ironically, they were among the first to go to Herr Hitler's concentration camps (1933).

Not defending it. Just commenting.

256 vbspurs  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 9:59:45pm

re: #244 PSGInfinity

It's just that they've noticed such a disproportionate amount of silliness emanating from the Sunshine State they created a special "Florida" tag for their stories.

Florida is a strange but amusing State. Everything weird, kinky, eccentric, stupid, and just plain hilarious happens here.

Case in point, the Cuban version of The Matrix. "Pa' piso!" Hehe. I love this place.

257 LeePro  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 10:00:31pm

re: #240 vbspurs

No, I meant Paris Saint-Germain. A little free-association, if you will. :)

/been to Fark maybe twice in my whole life. Not on my radar, alas.

Oh my! What a terrible build-up of gas...............

Oh, wait...

Nevermind.

258 slokat  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 10:01:02pm

re: #229 Syrah

coffee filters work well, and add a different taste to tomorrows coffee...
/

259 razorbacker  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 10:01:39pm

re: #251 slokat

Ah glass carboys... if you fail at wine I can teach you how to brew beer in those....

I'll be darned. That's what those things are called.

The little one is 5 gallons. The big one is probably 20 gallons.

260 solomonpanting  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 10:02:39pm

re: #255 razorbacker

Does this "cult" have a name?

261 LeePro  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 10:03:21pm

re: #258 slokat

coffee filters work well, and add a different taste to tomorrows coffee...
/

LOL ! ! !

262 razorbacker  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 10:04:54pm

re: #260 solomonpanting

Does this "cult" have a name?

Oh yeah. They're called Jehovah's Witnesses.

263 PSGInfinity  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 10:07:56pm

re: #257 LeePro

Oh my! What a terrible build-up of gas...............
Oh, wait...
Nevermind.

Read the politically charged threads and you'll realize you're uncomfortable close to the truth. I lurk in the Photoshop threads, and others where I sense the mockery factor is high.

264 PSGInfinity  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 10:08:38pm

re: #256 vbspurs

Florida is a strange but amusing State. Everything weird, kinky, eccentric, stupid, and just plain hilarious happens here.

Case in point, the Cuban version of The Matrix. "Pa' piso!" Hehe. I love this place.

Different strokes, glad you enjoy it!

265 brainwizard73  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 10:09:22pm

I know we have the pesky First Amendment and all, but isn't advocating and helping organize the violent overthrow of the United States government a crime?

This guy should have his phone and computer tapped 24-7 and should be shadowed by the FBI 24-7; at least until they ship him to Gitmo.

266 realwest  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 10:10:39pm

re: #249 jcm Hey jcm, you're right of course - it's Charles House, his rules and he can delete, give a timeout to or ban anyone here for any reason or for no reason.

BTW - did anyone here read where Savage_Nation was banned today/tonight also?

267 Charles  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 10:11:41pm

re: #266 realwest

Hey jcm, you're right of course - it's Charles House, his rules and he can delete, give a timeout to or ban anyone here for any reason or for no reason.

BTW - did anyone here read where Savage_Nation was banned today/tonight also?

He was banned when he started ranting about shooting people. Again. That's the last time.

268 razorbacker  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 10:11:51pm

re: #266 realwest

Hey jcm, you're right of course - it's Charles House, his rules and he can delete, give a timeout to or ban anyone here for any reason or for no reason.

BTW - did anyone here read where Savage_Nation was banned today/tonight also?

Aw, man. Just wasn't his day, today.

269 realwest  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 10:11:55pm

re: #265 brainwizard73
What makes you think the FBI and some other three letter abbreviated agencies aren't monitoring every thing he says?

270 jcm  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 10:12:37pm

re: #266 realwest

Hey jcm, you're right of course - it's Charles House, his rules and he can delete, give a timeout to or ban anyone here for any reason or for no reason.

BTW - did anyone here read where Savage_Nation was banned today/tonight also?

I missed that, this morning he got more bad personal news, and then had to hit the road and said he be back later. I've been off most of the day and missed anything else.

271 solomonpanting  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 10:13:20pm

re: #262 razorbacker

Oh yeah. They're called Jehovah's Witnesses.

Are JW part of the Religious Right? I really don't know.

272 jcm  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 10:13:29pm

re: #267 Charles

He was banned when he started ranting about shooting people. Again. That's the last time.

Thanks and understood.

273 razorbacker  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 10:14:09pm

re: #269 realwest

What makes you think the FBI and some other three letter abbreviated agencies aren't monitoring every thing he says?

Sad fact is, you can stop a thousand plots, but the one you miss is the one that is remembered.

274 brainwizard73  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 10:15:36pm

re: #269 realwest

What makes you think the FBI and some other three letter abbreviated agencies aren't monitoring every thing he says?

I assume they are.

If they are not it is becuase of fear of being hung out to dry before Pelosi and Reid when President Obama destroys our national security and intel operations, or some bulls**t fear of being called "THE WORST PERSON IN THE WORLD"...probably the former.

275 realwest  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 10:15:56pm

re: #267 Charles He was ranting about shooting identifiable people or was it one of those "Nuke 'em all" comments?
I mean, I remember reading some early posts of his that he was having an awful day with ex-wife, her boyfriend etc. but I sure hope for his sake he didn't specifically say "I'm gonna kill so and so".
That sorta thing could get him in a lot hotter water than simply being banned from LGF.

BTW - was Song & Dance Man banned or given a timeout? (sorry, didn't read the thread)?

276 razorbacker  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 10:16:32pm

re: #271 solomonpanting

Are JW part of the Religious Right? I really don't know.

JWs do not participate in government. Period.

They do not swear allegiance (same thing got them in trouble in the U.S. and Germany).

They will not serve in the armed forces.

They 'render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar's' but that's as far as it goes.

277 Charles  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 10:17:16pm

re: #275 realwest

He was ranting about shooting identifiable people or was it one of those "Nuke 'em all" comments?

The former.

278 Tigger2005  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 10:17:50pm

Ah, I did a search and I see why song_and_dance_man was banned. Shame he just couldn't let the matter go.

I admire Charles for sticking to his guns on the ID issue. I'm sure that seven years ago he lost a lot of "friends" and blog posters in the Web design and jazz communities by refusing to go along with the "America-is-evil-and-we-brought-it-on-ourselves" mindset.

The fact of the matter is that evolution is not global warming. Climatology is a relatively new and extraordinarily complex science, and without proposing some vast conspiracy, it's quite possible many scientists are allowing their biases to color their conclusions. Science is also self-correcting, and we're beginning to see studies that call into question the "consensus" that human industrial activity is responsible for climate change, as well as scientists rejecting the alarmist claims of global warming alarmists and hucksters like Al Gore.

On the other hand, evolution has been "on trial" for over a hundred years and it has been supported and vindicated by every single piece of evidence uncovered and every observation made since Darwin's time. It's the foundation of the biological sciences. It's essential to understanding how bacteria and viruses become resistant to drugs, how insects become resistant to pesticides, etc.

If your faith requires a denial of the evidence for evolution and a rejection of the theory in favor of a literal interpretation of Genesis or some other supernatural creation account, fine--as long as you acknowledge that this is a matter of FAITH, and therefore has no place in science classrooms.

If your faith requires that you at least believe some supernatural intelligence started evolution going or intervened in the process at some point or several points, fine--as long as, again, you acknowledge that science has no way of testing for the activity of a supernatural being, that science has discovered nothing about the evolutionary process that suggests it cannot proceed through purely natural mechanisms, and that therefore belief in a divine influence on the process is a matter of FAITH and has no place in science classrooms.

Science education has enough problems in this country without our students being lied to and misled about the nature of science and wasting time studying a dishonest pseudo-science that's nothing more than creationism with a scientific veneer. Why not dress up alchemy and astrology with scientific language and teach them those things as well? How to justify jeopardizing our economy and our scientific leadership by further eroding science education?

Anyone who has bothered to inform himself or herself about the FACTS of evolution and ID (none of which can be found in the movie "Expelled," by the way) should know by now that acceptance of evolution does not require one to be an atheist or even an agnostic. One of the most passionate and eloquent supporters of evolution, cell biologist Ken Miller, is a devout Roman Catholic, and he's hardly alone in being both a scientist and a believer.

ID reduces religious faith and spirituality to arguments about bacterial flagellum and blood-clotting cascades. It reduces believers and self-appointed guardians of society's religious and moral fiber to making dishonest, scurrilous and petty claims about persecution and vast, evil conspiracies and to using deceptive means to push their religious and political agenda--including producing movies every bit as dishonest and misleading as "Loose Change" and "Fahrenheit 9/11."

Pardon me if I have a difficult time seeing the ID movement as "conservative."

Now that I've said my piece, I think I'll take my own advice and let the matter go. Charles, if you feel this post is too provocative, please delete it.

279 brainwizard73  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 10:19:50pm

re: #277 Charles

Not good. Potentially actionable. Good move, Godfather.

280 Opilio  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 10:21:14pm

re: #270 jcm

I missed that, this morning he got more bad personal news, and then had to hit the road and said he be back later. I've been off most of the day and missed anything else.

He had already sown the seed of his bannage when he signed out this morning: Two deleted comments near the end of his string of posts in the morning open thread.

281 solomonpanting  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 10:22:00pm

re: #276 razorbacker

Thanks for the info. Then it would appear they aren't a faction of the Religious Right.

282 Opilio  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 10:22:16pm

re: #275 realwest

BTW - was Song & Dance Man banned or given a timeout? (sorry, didn't read the thread)?

Only Charles knows for sure.

283 realwest  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 10:22:28pm

re: #273 razorbacker
Well that's true of course. But I'd rather stop a thousand plots and have one slip through, than not at least try to stop 'em all. And y'all know we don't hear about all the successes the government has had in dealing with these murderous scum.
re: #274 brainwizard73 As long as Bush is the President, I really don't think they'd be too worried about doing their job. If, God forbid, Obama gets elected, then we're in for a lot of grief, I'm afraid.
Have a lot of differences with Bush, but we haven't had any serious attacks on US soil since 9/11 and I gladly give him credit for that.

284 realwest  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 10:23:53pm

re: #277 Charles Oy!
And iirc, you'd already warned him about that kind of shit more than once before.

285 brainwizard73  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 10:24:10pm

On a totally "nuts and bolts" front, I don't think anything I have posted has ever been deleted, but would I know if it had? If I am on another thread or even not logged in, would something let me know that I had incurred the wrath of the fearless leader, or would I just have to hope someone pointed it out?

Any help appreciated.

286 jcm  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 10:25:26pm

re: #280 Opilio

He had already sown the seed of his bannage when he signed out this morning: Two deleted comments near the end of his string of posts in the morning open thread.

I seldom scroll back up a thread, so seldom catch deleted posts, unless it's something I take exception too are reported.

287 jcm  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 10:26:34pm

re: #285 brainwizard73

On a totally "nuts and bolts" front, I don't think anything I have posted has ever been deleted, but would I know if it had? If I am on another thread or even not logged in, would something let me know that I had incurred the wrath of the fearless leader, or would I just have to hope someone pointed it out?

Any help appreciated.

Last week I self reported and got deleted all in about 15 seconds. A link went bad and would have rogered the thread.

288 Opilio  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 10:26:51pm

re: #285 brainwizard73

On a totally "nuts and bolts" front, I don't think anything I have posted has ever been deleted, but would I know if it had? If I am on another thread or even not logged in, would something let me know that I had incurred the wrath of the fearless leader, or would I just have to hope someone pointed it out?

Any help appreciated.

It could happen at any time, anywhere, you'll never see it coming, and you won't even know it happened.

/ BWAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!

289 realwest  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 10:27:29pm

re: #282 Opilio Well that's sorta unfortunate for Song and Dance Man - how the hell will he ever know if he's "off" of a timeout" (assuming it was a timeout)?

290 brainwizard73  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 10:28:31pm

re: #283 realwest

Real, I am just thinking about the Dems' attempts to block the new FISA bill, refusal to allow telcoms to have immunity, and this stupid drum beat to show that the Bush Administration can't do anything right (I confess, they have me scratching my head a lot, too) by revisiting the justification for the Iraq war (it has been a few years since that was relevant, Senator Reid-kind of like your intellectual capacity) and hammering on alleged violations of civil liberties.

I just don't want us to pull our punches, but I could see the FBI and other agencies looking to early next year and with Obama's spew...I could understand if they were concerned.

They will still do their jobs, but I worry about them.

291 jcm  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 10:30:00pm

re: #289 realwest

Well that's sorta unfortunate for Song and Dance Man - how the hell will he ever know if he's "off" of a timeout" (assuming it was a timeout)?

Wrath, got back on, I suppose a direct appeal to the Large Lizard could never hurt.

292 razorbacker  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 10:30:18pm

re: #281 solomonpanting

Thanks for the info. Then it would appear they aren't a faction of the Religious Right.

They don't vote. It wouldn't make much difference.

293 brainwizard73  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 10:30:24pm

re: #287 jcm

That makes sense if you are in the hot and heavy thick of post to post combat, but in "down times" or when you have left the thread, it sounds like you wouldn't know, right?

294 brainwizard73  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 10:32:36pm

re: #288 Opilio

It could happen at any time, anywhere, you'll never see it coming, and you won't even know it happened.

/ BWAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !

I think a Marine Corps scout-sniper told me a story with the same line, minus the ominous laugh.

I just would want to know if I was pushing any envelopes. Pushing is OK, but I don't want to cut my tounge on the thing...know what I mean, homes?

295 jcm  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 10:33:44pm

re: #293 brainwizard73

That makes sense if you are in the hot and heavy thick of post to post combat, but in "down times" or when you have left the thread, it sounds like you wouldn't know, right?

No way to really know unless someone points it out. Or your really obsessive about dings, most the time when some replies to me I have to go back and see what the heck I said.

296 Charles  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 10:35:15pm

re: #278 Tigger2005

Great post. Definitely not going to be deleted. I agree with every word.

297 brainwizard73  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 10:39:17pm

re: #295 jcm

And the only way to know about dings is to go back and look at each post too, right?

298 razorbacker  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 10:43:48pm

Solomonpanting...I looked this up for you.

Jehovah's Witnesses were subjected to intense persecution under the Nazi regime. The Nazis targeted Jehovah's Witnesses because they were unwilling to accept the authority of the state, because of their international connections, and because they were strongly opposed to both war on behalf of a temporal authority and organized government in matters of conscience.

[Link: www.ushmm.org...]

I'm not equivocating the USA to Nazi Germany, but the same things that made them suspect to the Germans made them suspect to Americans, too.

299 republic  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 10:49:05pm

I see that since the U.S. and her allies are kicking al-quada's tail in Iraq and Afghanistan, that they are turning to something that the North Vietnamese and Democrats did during Vietnam, which is bring their tactic of trying to persuade, right here in America, that the fight against al-quada is somehow the USA's fault for our policy of simply protecting the USA and her interests.

al-quada simply needs to be destroyed, never, ever negotiated with, simply hunted down wherever they are, and destroyed.

Anything less will insure their continued attacks.

The real tragedy here, is that this al-quada sympathizer, sounds just like any of the various Democrats in Washington, who took an Oath on the Holy Bible, and swore to protect the U.S. and the U.S. Constitution, from both enemies foreign and domestic.

The Democrats are clueless, and probably are the greatest threat to the very freedoms supposedly guaranteed in our Constitution!

300 gman  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 10:52:57pm

re: #278 Tigger2005


Powerful words! Thank you.

301 Bob in Breckenridge  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 10:57:29pm

re: #68 Killian Bundy

Oliver Stone received a Bronze Star and a Purple Heart with an Oak Leaf Cluster in Vietnam.

/whatever else you think of him you've got to respect that he got his ass in the grass in combat

I don't respect the POS at all. So he served. Big deal.
Hundreds of thousands of Americans also did and 56,000 died.
John McCain served and was tortured for 5 years when he could have been released, and never trashed his country.
I have the utmost respect for Sen. McCain.
Fuck Oliver Stone. The sooner the asshole assumes room temperature, the better.
His movie will be a colossal flop. These BDS-infected losers always seem to forget that President Bush is not running this year.

302 solomonpanting  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 11:03:18pm

re: #298 razorbacker

Solomonpanting...I looked this up for you.


[Link: www.ushmm.org...]

I'm not equivocating the USA to Nazi Germany, but the same things that made them suspect to the Germans made them suspect to Americans, too.

I know you're not, but individuals or groups who refuse to cede authority to their state of course come under suspicion.

303 brainwizard73  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 11:06:09pm

re: #301 Bob in Breckenridge

Stone gets chops for being brave...but he can still be brave and an idiot.

304 razorbacker  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 11:07:08pm

re: #302 solomonpanting

I know you're not, but individuals or groups who refuse to cede authority to their state of course come under suspicion.

Of course. And if your answer is, 'Our kingdom is not of this world, our kingdom is in heaven'...well, you can see the problem.

But I think in the '50s there was a Supreme Court ruling that settled things down. I'm not positive of that, and have no link or citation. It may have had something to do with conscientious objectors.

305 razorbacker  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 11:08:03pm

Wow, 1 AM.

To bed.

306 solomonpanting  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 11:09:42pm

re: #304 razorbacker

My only point was to show that JW are not part of the Religious Right.

307 razorbacker  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 11:11:19pm

re: #306 solomonpanting

My only point was to show that JW are not part of the Religious Right.

I think that they would be horrified at the suggestion.

That whole 'will not participate in government thing'.

Goodnight.

308 solomonpanting  Sat, Jun 7, 2008 11:13:37pm

re: #307 razorbacker

Catch ya later.

309 harley2002  Sun, Jun 8, 2008 2:01:27am

What the hell is going on in this country? This bastard should be dragged out and have his ass kicked. What are we just all sheep spouting legal crap. Oh he has a first amendment right blah blah blah. All I can think is the brain washing in the schools is taking effect. Even 20 years ago this piece of shit would be toast.

310 seagreenroom  Sun, Jun 8, 2008 5:36:35am

We will eventually need a civil war to deal with guys like sammy and his supporters. There really is no other way to do it since our own laws and government are protecting this POS's "right" to post this crap.

311 seagreenroom  Sun, Jun 8, 2008 5:43:33am

re: #68 Killian Bundy

Oliver Stone received a Bronze Star and a Purple Heart with an Oak Leaf Cluster in Vietnam.

/whatever else you think of him you've got to respect that he got his ass in the grass in combat

Bullcrap. He served and I do respect that. But he's now become a fruit looped America-hating lunatic. If you notice, all of the anti-American, anti-war ranting being passed off as "films" lately are bombing big time at the box office. The general public wants no part of it.

312 jzm  Sun, Jun 8, 2008 6:06:40am

I stopped watching the news. Can't handle the stupidity anymore.
I am scared.

313 Sapper  Sun, Jun 8, 2008 6:59:12am

This would be funny if it weren't so sad. I blogged on this also:

Blog Link

314 ethanxxx  Sun, Jun 8, 2008 7:44:28am

“Those videos are not much different than videos involving American soldiers targeting Iraqi civilians,”

Except the fact that there are no videos involving American soldiers targeting Iraqi civilians, because we don't target civilians. Everything about this carpet munching fool and his evil cult is built on lies and exaggerations, not unlike the Democratic Party.

315 marsl  Sun, Jun 8, 2008 8:02:12am

"Just because I live in America, doesn’t mean I support their Army and Government; rather, my allegiance is to Allah"

[Link: revolution.muslimpad.com...]

Then just pack your things and go to another country....

America, love it or leave it.

316 kevinmumaw  Sun, Jun 8, 2008 8:08:43am

This guy lives in his parents basement (seriously) in a rather upscale Charlotte neighborhood - less than 100 miles from Fort Bragg, home of the 82nd Airborne and Special Operations. He's very comfortable talking the talk from mom and dad's house, calling for others to walk the walk he is either too cowardly to do himself, or judging from his picture, too fat and out of shape to do. I'm at Fort Bragg and talk around the water cooler is that there is another AQ mosque up the road in Raleigh. Haven't quite figured out which one, but this is beginning to get a bit tiresome.

317 marsouin  Sun, Jun 8, 2008 8:19:48am

When will there arise spontaneously a group of muslims in the West who will take it upon themselves to take the lead to combat this stuff? After many years I am still waiting. Sadly, I am coming to the conclusion that such a day will NEVER come.

318 federale86  Sun, Jun 8, 2008 9:30:27am

Well, and from where did the imam of this mosque of peace come from? I'll bet he is an R-1 visa holder. Why do we continue to import terrorists and their sympathizers?

319 baconeatingkaffir  Sun, Jun 8, 2008 10:26:29am

This guy came from the land of allah... the magic kingdom. We should all be priviliged to have more trash like that. I am all in favor of banning anyone from that part of the world from entering the US. The INS needs a good bitchslapping. It took me quite awhile to get my wife and stepkids greencards. What makes thıs douchebag so special? He really needs an all expenses paid vacation to GITMO followed by revocation of his citizenship and deportation back to douchebagistan. Let's see if he can put his money where his mouth is. Then again, he may be working for obummer's campaign.

320 Rakkasah  Sun, Jun 8, 2008 10:39:57am

The knives he sold; were they dull enough for beheadings?


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