Just plain scary

is finish my waffles step 5?

PAWNED!

Who hasn't been held accountable for war crimes?

I worship the ground you walk on, oh Great Lizard King!

the password isnt
hopeandchange

i can attest to that.

And throw the democratically elected government of Iraq UNDER THE BUS!

re: #4 DesertSage

Who hasn't been held accountable for war crimes?

Communists.

God help our troops if this man gets elected!

re: #7 experiencedtraveller

we're gonna need another bus!

re: #4 DesertSage

Everybody with an "R" political affiliation.

Thanks Charles.

OTOH, this can be attributed to low-level rodent thralls. I don't think the press will run with it.

How can the MSM just ignore this BS? This DOES MEAN SOMETHING doesn't it? This DOES tell us everything we all need to know about Obama does it not?

This is not the flyer I knew. Can I just eat my waffle?
/Obama

re: #11 guzziguy

Everybody with an "R" political affiliation.

So, the re-education camps open the day after he takes office?

tminus 1 hour till the blog is mysteriously offline

I'm drawn to #3. The Dems keep saying that the surge didn't work, that the decrease in violence is due to Irans good will. Now suddenly a diplomatic surge is going to be the best of all worlds?

Frog march fantasies live on.

Absolutely delicious scandal! Good job!

One of the surest routes to a bloody civil war (I mean in the US) is to prosecute policy as crimes.

And that seems to be what the left fringe wants.

Bad scary stuff.

RE: #2:

Now that'll take some audacity--telling the Iraqis to disband their government and reach reconciliation. And if they don't, then what?
What an unmitigated disaster an Obama Presidency would be!

Deny, deny, deny.

Unless there are videos of Obama doing unspeakables, I doubt this will sway the left. Heck, most will applaud.

says it's for an "Oct. 13th rally". Anyone know where that rally took place? If it was public or private?

saved it

re: #23 Racer X

Deny, deny, deny.

Unless there are videos of Obama doing unspeakables, I doubt this will sway the left. Heck, most will applaud.

I don't think the left is the target here

It's strange to me how 'confront humanitarian crisis' comes last. After such bureaucratic time-eaters as erecting a 'regional security compact.'

I mean honestly. It's written an an intermediary step, as though it's the Delaware-Maryland-Virginia region.

Apparently it shouldn't take more than a long weekend to get Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, and Israel -- ! -- to all sign the Good Fences/Good Neighbors Pinky Swear Paper.

Was this a secret flyer prior to it's exposure here?

re: #23 Racer X

Deny, deny, deny.

Unless there are videos of Obama doing unspeakables, I doubt this will sway the left. Heck, most will applaud.

Voting for a Republican?
Telling a panhandler to get a job?

re: #24 Yankee Division Son

says it's for an "Oct. 13th rally". Anyone know where that rally took place? If it was public or private?

Maybe October 2008?

Tomorrow's headlines?

Obama is John Murtha squared and cubed in the hate the military moonbatism

Sounds like a witch hunt to me and after the Haditha fiasco, Americans are in no mood to see our brave soldiers tossed under the bus.

re: #29 guzziguy

Voting for a Republican?
Telling a panhandler to get a job?

Hye, I work! On motorcycles no less.

Careful Charles, you're going to have the same problems as the people who read the wide-open unprotected democrat capitol e-mails. Didn't matter that there was all sorts of vile stuff in those wide-open unprotected e-mails; it was the non-democrats who read the [did I say wide-open unprotected?] e-mails that got into trouble.

re: #31 Syrah

Tomorrow's headlines?

obama house stocked up on waffles- busy eating says spokesman.

Is Obama calling General Petraeus a war criminal?

BRING THE TROOPS HOME NOW!

/you know, so they're easier to prosecute

re: #34 Panhandler

Hye, I work! On motorcycles no less.

My deepest, most sincere apology.....and sympathy.

re: #30 SpartanWoman

Maybe October 2008?

I considered that for a moment too, but it's really pretty unrealistic to think they'd draw up flyers so far in advance.

I think.

Right?

Let me read aloud for us all #3

Use presidential leadership to surge our diplomacy with all of the nations of the region on behalf of a new regional security compact.

Obama's surge.
Appease & negotiate with DinJak et al

re: #21 Van Helsing

One of the surest routes to a bloody civil war (I mean in the US) is to prosecute policy as crimes.

And that seems to be what the left fringe wants.

Bad scary stuff.

Power is Life.

Without power over the productive population of a country the parasites cannot assure their own survival and well being. Nothing else matters. The parasite sees the rest of us as tools that they must use to further their own existence. Those who refuse to obey the self-appointed masters are trash to be disposed of. If that takes a civil war, so be it.

When Senators go kos- American troops? Screw them!

Does Obama's plan for Iraq involve

a. Stabilizing the country politically?
b. Fighting terrorism?
c. Preventing Iran from setting up Iraq as another client-state, the way it has with Lebanon and Syria?

re: #32 Bill Amos

Obama is John Murtha squared and cubed in the hate the military moonbatism

Oh. Thanks for reminding me. F*** you Murtha, you useless Abscam POS.
Come out and accuse our Marines of premeditated murder and then sit silent on your fat ass after they are acquitted.

Did you ever read the US Constitution you miserable pile of scat? INNOCENT until proven guilty? Can I count on apologies now?

Greg in Seattle, is was secret in respect to having been published and publicized. Did you hear of this before? I hadn't.

Is he REALLY this shallow?

Holy cow, this is actually huge news.

Obama is basically announcing he's going to hold Nuremberg-style trials to convict Bsuh&Co of war crimes -- exactly as the most extreme moonbats have been fantasizing for years.

This is what happens after a revolution, not after a presidential election.

Does he want to turn us into a third-world country where every new leader takes revenge on the previous leader and his underlings?

Imagine, if you will, what the media would say if secret Bush plans to hold trials and convict his political enemies came to light. It would be the scandal of the century.

But when Obama does it...I predict:

Silence.

re: #39 guzziguy

My deepest, most sincere apology.....and sympathy.

With gas at $4 a gallon, I don't need sympathy, I need 6 hands and a 43 hour day.

re: #40 Cognito

I considered that for a moment too, but it's really pretty unrealistic to think they'd draw up flyers so far in advance.

I think.

Right?

If this was distributed at a 2007 rally we'd have heard about it?

Wow. This is just. Wow.

Obama would pull out all of the troops within one year - by December '09! - and leave the Iraqi people at the mercy of insurgents. And he would sell out the Iraqi government to the UN!

Not to mention the whole war crimes thing. That is beyond disgusting.

This man would set our ME policy back to Carter era. All defeat, all the time.

Oh no!

Another Panty Raid on Abu Ghraib!

(Or do they mean they guys who cut off people's heads on videotape while shouting "Allahu Ackbar!")

re: #37 experiencedtraveller

Is Obama calling General Petraeus a war criminal?

Hillary already called him a liar.

Obama Canvass for Change on October 13th
[Link: barack.ws...]

It's from last year.

[Link: my.barackobama.com...]

WEAR
DATE,
R

The odds of Hillery nomination are starting to rise.

re: #46 rabidfox

Greg in Seattle, is was secret in respect to having been published and publicized. Did you hear of this before? I hadn't.

I haven't either, but perhaps it was distributed at a rally and none of the attending Libs thought anything of it. I don't know.

[Link: barack.ws...]

"Some of your neighbors may know that Barack opposed the war in Iraq before it began. But they may not know that he spoke out publicly and passionately, that he demonstrated the judgment to stand up to conventional thinking in Washington, and that he has proposed a clear plan to end the war and bring our troops home."

...And then put them on trial.

re: #50 SpartanWoman

If this was distributed at a 2007 rally we'd have heard about it?

Yes. Right here too.

re: #49 Panhandler

Glad you're doing well. A good M/C wrench is great to find. Like most guzzi riders I'm cheap. I do my own. Put in a rear transmission seal last week.

Love how they hated the "surge" in context of the troops but loved the word so much they appropriated it for their own purposes....and changed its part of speech....nothing is sacred.

WHAT THE HELL IS "LEADERSHIP TO SURGE OUR DIPLOMACY"?

I want to see what the MSM leads with tomorrow. I bet it ain't this.

You must be proud as a peacock, Charles, and deservedly so.

Your feathers are showing, and they are vibrant hues of red, white, and blue.

Kudos to you and all you do.

re: #40 Cognito

I considered that for a moment too, but it's really pretty unrealistic to think they'd draw up flyers so far in advance.

I think.

Right?

I'm thinking because of it's content, it's defiantly aimed at a democratic audience, not for the general election. I'm thinking Oct 13 2007

Charles, God bless you for taking the time to expose what is going on within the Obama campaign. Sadly - and I mean this in no way as a slight directed at you - the traditional media in this country has so utterly failed us, it is up to good, hard working folks like you to shed light upon the truth.

I have gotten to the point that I am utterly disgusted with anyone who supports this man's candidacy. I had the painful displeasure of attending the Ohio State graduation ceremonies today, only to hear Brian Williams apologize for the state of our nation, and implore the graduates to "change" it. Gee, I wonder where his ideological center lies? I was with a couple of friends who are very conservative and anti-Obama, but they couldn't help but praise Williams' address. I can't even imagine what the reaction was among the ideological automatons in the graduating class.

BTW, and kind of a random question: I know that there are a lot of Jewish folks among our Lizard ranks, and I have been curious about this one point. Is it considered offensive to God to spell his name as a Jew, or to see it spelled, period? I ask this because, if you/they find it offensive to see His name spelled at all, I would have no problem with using a "censored" version of His name in deference. Obviously, I am a gentile Presbyterian who has very little interaction with Jews on a day-to-day basis, but I do love you all like brothers.

re: #12 Kaitian868

Thanks Charles.

You may have just saved the free world, Kaitian868.

re: #45 Van Helsing

Did you ever read the US Constitution you miserable pile of scat? INNOCENT until proven guilty? Can I count on apologies now?

Unfortunately in military law(at least here in Canada) it's the other way around. You have to prove your innocence. I don't know the way it works in the U.S.A military, but I think they are similar. I do know that if you are tried in a military court up here and you bring in a civilian attorney they have to be assigned a military lawyer to teach them the ropes of what can and can't be done.

He may have opted against distributing this at the rally. It would have gotten out

re: #61 yesandno

Love how they hated the "surge" in context of the troops but loved the word so much they appropriated it for their own purposes....and changed its part of speech....nothing is sacred.

WHAT THE HELL IS "LEADERSHIP TO SURGE OUR DIPLOMACY"?

Not sure, but seeing as this is Obama, it probably involves a friggin' boatload of waffles. Hope you're hungry, Dinnerjacket!

I don't think this one's gonna shake the foundations, folks. Deniability is sound.

re: #48 zombie

Holy cow, this is actually huge news.

Obama is basically announcing he's going to hold Nuremberg-style trials to convict Bsuh&Co of war crimes -- exactly as the most extreme moonbats have been fantasizing for years.

That's a fairly aggressive read.
He says he's going to go after "any perpetrators of war crimes".
This is coded talk to appeal to his Leftist base.
In THEIR minds, he could be talking about Bush and Cheney. . .
Could be US soldiers. . .could be Al Queda in Iraq (though I suppose Obama would have to admit that there is such an entity first, before he can assume them of committing war crimes).
But the point is, he doesn't say any of these things explicitly, and whichever interpretation you choose, its easily deniable.

I love you Charles!

Thought I saw this before:

Obama strikes nerve with call for quick pullout of U.S. troops from Iraq

Carla Marinucci, Chronicle Political Writer

Thursday, September 13, 2007

Sen. Barack Obama tells an audience at a campaign event i...
Disclaimer

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's plan to withdraw American combat forces from Iraq created immediate waves Wednesday in his party's presidential race and illustrated how the unpopular war has become the central battleground for the 2008 campaign.

Political observers said the move showed that Democratic candidates increasingly are competing to lead the anti-war parade and appeal to a key constituency - motivated anti-war Democratic voters.

Obama's tough Iraq policy speech suggests that "he's trying to take a little bit of the 'Clean Gene' McCarthy position," Michael Semler, professor of political science at Cal State Sacramento, said, referring to the late Sen. Eugene McCarthy, whose opposition to the war in Vietnam in the 1968 presidential race became a rallying point for many voters on the far left.

Semler said Obama is "trying to position himself as the first Democrat to make a detailed policy statement" responding to Gen. David Petraeus' recommendations that American troop levels in Iraq remain the same as they were before President Bush began his "surge" in January.

"He's forcing other Democrats to follow him, and respond to him," Semler added.

The competition highlights the effort by the top Democratic presidential candidates "to be the lead in the anti-war parade in the primary because there are so many people willing to join up," said Mark Baldassare of the Public Policy Institute of California.

Among Democrats, Baldassare said, "it's their No. 1 presidential issue, and one in which there is near unanimity on outcome: that we must drastically change course ... so if you manage to convince the voters you have the answer, you will have a tremendous following."

With five months until the first 2008 presidential primaries and caucuses, Obama's plan on Iraq delivered a veiled shot at his Democratic rivals - particularly Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, the front-runner, and Sen. John Edwards, the former North Carolina senator and the party's 2004 candidate for vice president.

Obama, who was an Illinois state senator when Congress authorized Bush to invade Iraq, blamed "conventional thinking" in Congress for the votes to authorize the war and support the Republican president's policy. He called for immediately beginning to pull out troops engaged in combat operations - finishing by the end of next year - as well as supporting a new constitutional convention in Iraq, diplomacy with "all of the nations in the region," and "immediate steps" to "confront the humanitarian disaster" and "hold accountable any perpetrators of war crimes" in Iraq.

re: #48 zombie

No zombie, this is what will PRECEDE a revolution in our Republic.

It will not be pretty. The Legions will be wrathful.

The re-education camps are coming!
Now do you believe me?

I do believe that if this fool and his fellow cultists win,they will go after Pres. Bush,Cheney,Rumsfeld etc...with all means at their disposal...do I hear Civil War II?

Let me read aloud for us all #2

Call for a constitutional convention in Iraq, convened with the United Nations, which would not adjourn until Iraq's leaders reach a new accord on reconciliation.

This dope Obama very well may believe in this U.N. tomfoolery.

Hmmm. It appears that Obama never got rid of that drug habit.

I was going to say he still had that monkey on his back, but that's a racist thing to say, I guess. (shrug)

re: #73 Irene NYC

It's amazing that no one really noticed this before.

OK, you would think Hillary's "people" would have flushed this stuff out by now right?

Seriously, the way culpability works at war crimes trials is they go up the chain of command as far as they can go.

Who conceivably could Obama string up?

The options are very limited: it would have to be Rumsfeld, Petraeus, Bush, Cheney, Colin Powell, or someone of that stature.

Anyone of a lower rank could legitimately say it wasn't him making the decision.

Obama is preparing for a Great Purge of Stalinesque dimensions.

This is truly astounding.

re: #73 Irene NYC

So it's out on the street so to speak, but it's been ignored

re: #73 Irene NYC

I thought this all sounded familiar. I wonder if this story will flop with the MSM. Old News?

re: #70 Salem

I don't think this one's gonna shake the foundations, folks. Deniability is sound.

Deniability

re: #75 DesertSage

The re-education camps are coming!
Now do you believe me?

We are still gonna ride,Brother Sage!

re: #71 looking closely

Further, the fact that he is saying it doesn't necessarily mean he's going to actually try it, and if he does, doesn't mean he'll succeed.

In fact, I think the whole thing would blow up in his face rather badly if he did try it.

re: #70 Salem

Yep...the press will bury all of it...maybe a mention on Fox...but that's all.

re: #81 zombie

Yeah, and it makes you wonder how the troops below them will feel. Makes you wonder if a Rubicon will be crossed with that policy.

re: #66 zombie

You may have just saved the free world, Kaitian868.

I don't know. I know what an Obama presidency will be like but it's just so eff'ed up on how this country could turn out if Obama is the president. I pulled the lever for Mitt Romney in Washington State but I don't have an issue for McCain on election day.

This crap that I discovered plus his statement to that special interest group about the demilitarization of the military is down right wrong for the course of the country.

re: #80 Racer X

OK, you would think Hillary's "people" would have flushed this stuff out by now right?

Not if she's angling for the veep spot. No use pissing off the boss, you know.

So he has these buffons walking around door to door extolling the virtues of setting up a tribunal to prosecute our solders for war crimes.

BUT HE IS MAKING THEM BUY THE PENS.

If you'd like to provide your volunteers with stickers or buttons, or show your pride with an Obama t-shirt, these items and many others are available in the Obama Store.

Not only is he an ass but a cheap one too.

September 2007. I don't think most people thought Hillary would lose to Obama.

Ah, I should've figured there was a new thread when the traffic stopped below.

If I may, just a repost of what I wrote earlier about this.

Look at what his statement really says:

#1 - Concede defeat
#2 - Give into foreign demands
#3 - The "strong man" philosophy of governance (Fascist) combined with diplomatic organs (Internationalist)
#4 - Reconciliation through punishment

re: #83 Killgore Trout

I thought this all sounded familiar. I wonder if this story will flop with the MSM. Old News?

No proof that Obama laid eyes on it, then no big. Isn't too far from the way Congress was talking at the time.

re: #51 Intrepid

This man would set our ME policy back to Carter era. All defeat, all the time.

Actually worse then the Carter era. Here we're talking handing Iraq to the Mullahs, with an open invite to Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, etc...

Who wrote this, Bill Ayres?

re: #67 BlueCanuck

Unfortunately
in military law(at least here in Canada) it's the other way around. You
have to prove your innocence. I don't know the way it works in the
U.S.A military, but I think they are similar. I do know that if you are
tried in a military court up here and you bring in a civilian attorney
they have to be assigned a military lawyer to teach them the ropes of
what can and can't be done.

I just did a really quick scan of the UCMJ and I didn't see anything that conflicted with the US Bill of Rights.

If I'm wrong, please let me know.

Just taking a look at those ideas:
1) Pull out a brigade or two per month. What happens to the brigades toward the end? Does this idiot (I'm sorry, Jimmy Carter was taken) really think the bad guys are just going to stand on the street corners and wave as the troops leave and diminish in strength?
Bottom line: Disaster for our troops. Toward the end, if this were implemented, I will predict that we will lose more troops in a month than we've lost thus far

2) Constitutional convention convened with the UN. And what evidence does he have of UN ability to do anything expediently? What if the Iraqis simply say, "screw you, we like what we are doing just fine"?
Bottom line: Disaster for the nascent government of Iraq

3) Presidential leadership to surge our diplomacy. Again, what's he going to do when those other countries say, "screw you, we don't need you here -- we know what we want and now that your troops are gone, we are going to take it by force"? That presidential leadership and diplomacy thing worked so well for Jimmy Carter when confronting the Ayatollah, I guess Obama wants to see if it will work this time.
Bottom line: Disaster for our power and prestige in the world as we show that any third-rate country in the world can thumb their noses at the US

4) Confront the humanitarian disaster and prosecute our troops (let's not mince words). Since we won't have any troops to protect them, how well do you think humanitarian workers are going to fare over there? Prosecute our troops? Great move as commander in chief --- at least the rest of us won't have to worry about the troops protecting his precious backside when his policies ignite revolt.
Bottom line: Disaster for Iraqis because humanitarian aid will halt, we will wind up sending money to thugs for humanitarian aid and the Iraqis return to a brutal dictatorship. Disaster for our troops and morale, disaster for our ability to prosecute future conflicts as our troops will spend more time second-guessing themselves than prosecuting a war.

re: #21 Van Helsing

One of the surest routes to a bloody civil war (I mean in the US) is to prosecute policy as crimes.

Very well said.

If there are military families out there, they should be very concerned if this man becomes President. Even Clinton, who was very anti-military and they hated him for it, never outlined his goals as starkly as this.

re: #6 ccrnyc

Actually, its Killwhitey

re: #81 zombie

Seriously, the way culpability works at war crimes trials is they go up the chain of command as far as they can go.

Who conceivably could Obama string up?

The options are very limited: it would have to be Rumsfeld, Petraeus, Bush, Cheney, Colin Powell, or someone of that stature.

Anyone of a lower rank could legitimately say it wasn't him making the decision.

Obama is preparing for a Great Purge of Stalinesque dimensions.

This is truly astounding.

Let's stay cool, here, Zombie.

He could be talking about trials for things that happen on the ground. Or he could be referring to things that might happen in Iraq after its inevitable collapse -- notice it comes after America pulls out and after the 'regional security compact.'

I'm not saying it's either of those things. I'm just saying it's a bit early for talking about Stalin and the Great Purge.

re: #85 joecitizen

We are still gonna ride,Brother Sage!

We're riding for the hills, Joe. This will get very ugly if Obama gets elected.

The Obamatrons will settle for nothing less than heads of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice and Petraeus.
The rest of us will be sent to re-education camps or become political prisoners.

I choose to head for the hills on my bike.

re: #75 DesertSage

The re-education camps are coming!
Now do you believe me?

i believe i'll have another beer.....

just so my hands are steady when thy show up to get me. %-)

/not going anywhere

re: #81 zombie

We've been speculating about who's really behind the Obama candidacy. We should remember that a lot of the established people who supported Hitler thought that they would control him. I strongly suspect that the secret backer of the Obama campaign will be the first to be sent to the reeeducation camps, or the convenient ditch outside of town.

But then I've alway had a low opinion of Marxists.

re: #101 Cognito

Let's stay cool, here, Zombie.

He could be talking about trials for things that happen on the ground. Or he could be referring to things that might happen in Iraq after its inevitable collapse -- notice it comes after America pulls out and after the 'regional security compact.'

I'm not saying it's either of those things. I'm just saying it's a bit early for talking about Stalin and the Great Purge.

I rather not take chances. Even my own father serves in the military for a career.

re: #65 BGOH

Judaism does not prohibit writing the Name of God per se; it prohibits only erasing or defacing a Name of God. However, observant Jews avoid writing any Name of God casually because of the risk that the written Name might later be defaced, obliterated or destroyed accidentally or by one who does not know better. Observant Jews avoid writing a Name of God on web sites like this one because there is a risk that someone else will print it out and deface it. To avoid writing the Name, Orthodox Jews (and sometimes other denominations) substitute letters or syllables, for example, writing "G-d" instead of "God." This entry was written by an observant Jew. See also The Name of God.

linky

re: #98 AZfederalist

A list of positives for those of Bill Ayers mindset.

re: #81 zombie

Seriously, the way culpability works at war crimes trials is they go up the chain of command as far as they can go.

Who conceivably could Obama string up?

The options are very limited: it would have to be Rumsfeld, Petraeus, Bush, Cheney, Colin Powell, or someone of that stature.

Anyone of a lower rank could legitimately say it wasn't him making the decision.

Obama is preparing for a Great Purge of Stalinesque dimensions.

This is truly astounding.

I don't buy it.
Obama would be throwing any political capital he had down the toilet chasing Bush administration officials for "war crimes" after their tenure was up.
This is posturing to play to the extreme left.
Even Pelosi didn't REALLY try to impeach Cheney or Bush either when given the chance.

Also, considering the ever-increasing public perception that the surge actually worked, this "angle" is only going to backfire for Obama. McCain may be "gloves off" in a lot of ways, but with regards to the war in Iraq, he most certainly is not, nor will be be during his campaign. He's going to rub Obama's nose in it, if Obama tries this crap.

re: #100 trigger girlie

Hey trigger girlie, long time no see. How's the job going?

re: #79 Charles

Last October Obama hadn't been anointed yet. He was just another contender, and apparently a token one at that.

We were deep into the VB round, with the RP round to follow. When compared to Gravel and Kucinich at the time, Obama was small potato's in the loon department.

FIRE AS
YOU BARE,
R

re: #101 Cognito

I agree with zombie. It wasn't just the Haditha Marines. He was working the left-most crowds in September 2007 and they were eating this up.

What are the two most frequent comments I hear of late?

1. Bush is the worst president in U.S. history; and
2. Somebody needs to be held responsible for the disaster in Iraq.

re: #109 BlueCanuck

Its great, as always :) How are yous?

re: #100 trigger girlie

Actually, its Killwhitey

nope tried that one too.

If they are stupid enough to leave an open index file they are probably stupid enough to create a password thats actually easy to figure out.

not that i condone that stuff, because i don't

re: #99 vbspurs

Very well said.

If there are military families out there, they should be very concerned if this man becomes President. Even Clinton, who was very anti-military and they hated him for it, never outlined his goals as starkly as this.

You know the army was referred to as "Clinton's army", a negative connotation, after he damaged it seemingly beyond repair.

re: #97 Van Helsing

I just did a really quick scan of the UCMJ and I didn't see anything that conflicted with the US Bill of Rights.

If I'm wrong, please let me know.

no UCMJ expert, but you're pretty much right. minor differences, but you're still supposed to be innocent until proven guilty.

/not always the way it w*rks though.
(yes, it's another 'only red' story %-)

re: #98 AZfederalist

Just taking a look at those ideas:

Bottom line: Disaster for our troops. Toward the end, if this were implemented, I will predict that we will lose more troops in a month than we've lost thus far

Bottom line: Disaster for the nascent government of Iraq

Bottom line: Disaster for our power and prestige in the world as we show that any third-rate country in the world can thumb their noses at the US

Bottom line: Disaster for Iraqis because humanitarian aid will halt, we will wind up sending money to thugs for humanitarian aid and the Iraqis return to a brutal dictatorship. Disaster for our troops and morale, disaster for our ability to prosecute future conflicts as our troops will spend more time second-guessing themselves than prosecuting a war.

Yes, yes, yes and yes.

If this were a third-world country, the military would already be sabre-rattling should this guy really be elected. Instead, American checks and balances will have to work overtime to prevent his goals from becoming realities.

re: #112 trigger girlie

Doing much better. Minions are finally shaping up. Personal life has also gotten a lot better too. Just need to get off the night shift and maybe things would get a lot better.

re: #108 looking closely

I don't buy it.
Obama would be throwing any political capital he had down the toilet chasing Bush administration officials for "war crimes" after their tenure was up.
This is posturing to play to the extreme left.
Even Pelosi didn't REALLY try to impeach Cheney or Bush either when given the chance.

Also, considering the ever-increasing public perception that the surge actually worked, this "angle" is only going to backfire for Obama. McCain may be "gloves off" in a lot of ways, but with regards to the war in Iraq, he most certainly is not, nor will be be during his campaign. He's going to rub Obama's nose in it, if Obama tries this crap.

OH man,if she would have had THE VOTES it woulda been a done deal...and if pussyboyonthebike thinks he has THE POWER it,too,will be a done deal..
(btw,this is my 1,000 post..will I hear bells and whistles when I hit this button?I only ask because baby Emily sleeps sound and it's too early for our 3a.m. 'play time')

re: #106 Neo Con since 9-11

Thank you, Neo Con. I have been wondering about this for some time now, and I'm very happy to finally have an answer. I'm certainly not one of those "PC" people, but I don't really care to offend people that I respect as a result of pure ignorance.

Man, I sure do love this interwebs thingy. All the news that the MSM has deemed unfit to print now finds its way to the unwashed masses despite their worst efforts.

Obama sure has taken a beating today, this is better than free pr0n. Go Charles!

re: #111 Irene NYC

I agree with zombie. It wasn't just the Haditha Marines. He was working the left-most crowds in September 2007 and they were eating this up.

What are the two most frequent comments I hear of late?

1. Bush is the worst president in U.S. history; and
2. Somebody needs to be held responsible for the disaster in Iraq.

Obama *was* outlefting everyone a year ago.

Except that its a year later, and there has been a surge, and the surge has largely worked.

Casualties are way down, attacks are way down, and the political process has gone forward.

"I'm against more troops" was *maybe* the right "finger in the wind" position a year ago, and its certainly the right one to win over the extreme Left that funding the Democrats. But "I was against the surge" isn't viable now, and its going to look like idiocy in about 3-4 months.

re: #101 Cognito

Let's stay cool, here, Zombie.

He could be talking about trials for things that happen on the ground. Or he could be referring to things that might happen in Iraq after its inevitable collapse -- notice it comes after America pulls out and after the 'regional security compact.'

I'm not saying it's either of those things. I'm just saying it's a bit early for talking about Stalin and the Great Purge.

No, it could NOT be for actions taken by soldiers on the ground. Those crimes have already all been identified, and there have been court-martials and trials already.

Ever heard of Haditha? Abu Ghraib? The soldiersaccused in those (and other) incidents have already faced their days in court (or are currently facing them).

No, the US military already monitors individual misdeeds EXTREMELY carefully and does every over-zealous prosecution imaginable.

When we speak of a War Crimes Trail, it necessarily must be for larger-scale "crimes" which have not yet been identified, much less prosecuted.

They are aiming very high on the totem pole. They are targetting the decision-makers at the top of the heirarchy -- exactly as I pointed out.

Perhaps not of Stalinesque dimensions, but hey, a Great Leader's gotta start somewhere!

re: #110 Render

Last October Obama hadn't been anointed yet. He was just another contender, and apparently a token one at that.

Pretty much the same thing with Bill Clinton in 1992. He wasn't really intending to run the race to the end, until the stronger contenders started dropping out.

re: #99 vbspurs

I am one of those military families.

When there is a suggestion of putting an administration on trial for unpopular - yet completely Constitutional and legal - policies from my simple minded point of view it's time to gather the family and decide to either fight it or roll over.

I'm not rolling over and I'm quite serious - our warriors (based on the lads I know) are not going to be happy.

Someone please tell that this warcrimes thing is some seriously wacked s***.

Please.

re: #115 redc1c4

Interesting. Must be nice where your civil code is pretty much in line with your military code. But then again our military law code was adopted from the British Empire practically whole cloth. Still called Queens Orders and Regulations(QR&O's for short).

I'm thrilled that Charles posted this thread cuz when people come to see about the website they'll see this too!

Killing 2 birds with one stone - uh oh, is that not environmentally friendly?

/s

re: #117 BlueCanuck

Thats good to hear :) I love night shift, since I hate people

re: #107 jaunte

Bill Ayers

/damn, now there's a search I haven't run on the Obama site yet, what could go wrong with that search term?

Might throw a monkey wrench into the works of trying to move to the center, though. And that's where Obama desperately needs votes. To see it all starkly laid out like this might turn off more moderate democrats.

re: #106 Neo Con since 9-11

There need be no question as to how safe the written name GOD is when placed on this site. With Charles in Charge, sounds like a TV show from the 80's, the possibility of erasing or defacing a Name of God is nil.

re: #122 zombie

No, it could NOT be for actions taken by soldiers on the ground. Those crimes have already all been identified, and there have been court-martials and trials already.

Don't think for a second that the Obamassiah won't try to figure out a way around the "no double jeopardy" rule.

re: #128 Killian Bundy

I already tried weather underground. No dice.

Well, put in my 2 cents, off to bed for me. Night all

re: #111 Irene NYC

I agree with zombie. It wasn't just the Haditha Marines. He was working the left-most crowds in September 2007 and they were eating this up.

What are the two most frequent comments I hear of late?

1. Bush is the worst president in U.S. history; and
2. Somebody needs to be held responsible for the disaster in Iraq.

Agree 100%.

I could link to dozens of photos I've taken of moonbats fantasizing about Bush and his minions being tried for war crimes. But you've seen them all already. It's #1 on the moonbat agenda.

If I were you Charles, I'd put some Gatorade in the hamsters water bottle for the morning, they will need it.

I wonder...

Is Obama even aware that the US military does not swear an oath to the President, any other branch of the government, nor to We, The People?

WANNA
BET?,
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It is all coming to pass exactly as we all predicted. The Dems have nominated the most far left candidate of the bunch. Again.

Where are "War Crime" trials heard?

In the US or the UN?

re: #128 Killian Bundy

/damn, now there's a search I haven't run on the Obama site yet, what could go wrong with that search term?

Google turns up ZERO results.

Wonder why?

re: #137 rawmuse

It is all coming to pass exactly as we all predicted. The Dems have nominated the most far left candidate of the bunch. Again.

Except this time, it looks like he has a pretty fair shot at winning.

I think they fixed it.
The links just go to the home page now.

re: #118 joecitizen

OH man,if she would have had THE VOTES it woulda been a done deal...

"If"

What kind of "hope and change" would persecuting former adminstration officials be? "If" Obama actually thinks he's going to get away with post-Bush adminstration witch-hunts he's insane. He won't even try because his plate will be full with actual White House business.

He'd have minimal Congressional support on this, because most of the Congress voted to authorize the war, and is equally culpable.

Further, all of the ones who are salivating over this sort of thing now, will "move on" on to something else in 1-2 years when Obama is running things.

re: #134 zombie

We've seen these photos because of your hard work.

The country owes you and Charles a great big debt.

re: #121 looking closely

Obama *was* outlefting everyone a year ago.

Except that its a year later, and there has been a surge, and the surge has largely worked.

Casualties are way down, attacks are way down, and the political process has gone forward.

"I'm against more troops" was *maybe* the right "finger in the wind" position a year ago, and its certainly the right one to win over the extreme Left that funding the Democrats. But "I was against the surge" isn't viable now, and its going to look like idiocy in about 3-4 months.

IT'S STILL ON HIS WEB SITE.

That's the whole point of this thread.

He is stating these positions RIGHT NOW.

re: #138 Syrah

Where are "War Crime" trials heard?

In the US or the UN?

in the 9th Circuit if they have their choice..

re: #138 Syrah

Where are "War Crime" trials heard?

In the US or the UN?

Probably depends on who's doing the accusing.

re: #128 Killian Bundy

/damn, now there's a search I haven't run on the Obama site yet, what could go wrong with that search term?

Bill Ayers, Great American
By Martin from Belvedere Tiburon, CA - May 26th, 2008 at 11:48 am EDT

It's come to our attention - ad nauseum - that one University of Chicago professor, our candidate, knows another - scandalous! The latter was once a member of the Weatherman. It's been my delight and honor to know Bill Ayers since the week he came above ground after a decade of hiding. He was my child's nursery school teacher, and beyond wonderful in that role. Bill took his degree in child development from Bank Street College and moved on to higher education. He was and is an inspiring instructor, colleague and friend. Bill is a patriot of the deepest coloration -- totally reminiscent of Tom Paine, Sam Adams or Thomas Jefferson. He is and was a man of action as well as reflection. Of course age has mellowed him, but as a young man in a time of horror and national disgrace, in a time of brutal war and slaughter of civilians, in a time when civil rights was a struggle and not a foregone conclusion, Bill stood on the front lines of the struggle. And he took his cues from our Founding Fathers (and Mothers) seizing the day to alter our nation's course. His methods in that time were violent, but his targets were never human. He and his colleagues destroyed property, brought the Vietnam War and the complicity of the educational establishment into sharp focus, and helped to turn the tide of public opinion against that unjust struggle. It's likely not the course Bill would choose now, but only someone who knows no history, and who felt the Vietnam War was both just and good, could even begin to argue with those who determined to risk all to end it, and to overthrow the system that perpetrated it.

/first result, right out of the gate

re: #108 looking closely

I don't buy it.
Obama would be throwing any political capital he had down the toilet chasing Bush administration officials for "war crimes" after their tenure was up.
This is posturing to play to the extreme left.
Even Pelosi didn't REALLY try to impeach Cheney or Bush either when given the chance.

Also, considering the ever-increasing public perception that the surge actually worked, this "angle" is only going to backfire for Obama. McCain may be "gloves off" in a lot of ways, but with regards to the war in Iraq, he most certainly is not, nor will be be during his campaign. He's going to rub Obama's nose in it, if Obama tries this crap.

By taking control of congress, the Democrats Leftists were just beginning their consolidation of power. They didn't yet have the strength to do any real damage yet. Their goal was to win the presidency...that's when they will have the power to go after BushCo and any of his sympathizers, i.e., people who supported the war, people like you and I.
Political trials and re-education camps are what the Obamatrons are demanding, and if Obama gets elected, they will demand that he follows through with his promises....which are outlined in this document for all to see.

re: #135 Yankee Division Son

If I were you Charles, I'd put some Gatorade in the hamsters water bottle for the morning, they will need it.

Gatorade is NOT Acceptable Foods For A Hamster

Well now we know what Obama's plan is. Surrender to the enemy and prosecute those who tried to win. Kafka would be so proud.

Delenda est Obama!

re: #127 Trigger Girlie. Hey where you been! Missed ya!

re: #124 Van Helsing

I am one of those military families.

Thanks for your family's service!

Someone please tell that this warcrimes thing is some seriously wacked s***.

I've been reading "Born Fighting: How the Scots-Irish Shaped America". I think I know why W. Virginia, Kentucky and other neighbouring States so despise Obama, and the media never ONCE mentioned it. It's not race.

It's because the Scots-Irish who overwhelmingly inhabit those mountains, are the first to fight in all the wars to protect America. Their sons and now daughters' lives are at risk.

What does this man do? He doesn't share their values. He mocks them, and as clearly as day, wishes to punish them for it. Trulu disgusting.

re: #141 Typicalwhitey

I think they fixed it.
The links just go to the home page now.

Yup!

Charles, your check should be in the mail soon. ;-)

re: #141 Typicalwhitey

I think they fixed it.
The links just go to the home page now.

Ever get the feeling you're being watched?

/second time I've said that today, but so very appropriate

re: #147 Killian Bundy

"His methods in that time were violent, but his targets were never human."

Didn't he help to plant a bomb in a Pentagon restroom?

re: #139 victor_yugo

Google turns up ZERO results.

Wonder why?

We're not searching Google, we're searching Obama's blog.

/read all the posts Charles has posted today

re: #137 rawmuse

hey rawmuse ;p

re: #108 looking closely

I think you're missing the point.

In Barack Obama we are seeing a narcissist who believes (or presents) himself to be infallible. Those who see themselves as being infallible are not concerned with the political consequences of an action. The political capital that got him into the office is no longer relevant.

In the mind of a narcissist other people exist solely as a means, as tools, to carry out the narcissist's will. Those who refuse to do the narcissist's bidding are garbage to to disposed of. Thus the Great Purges and the Holocaust, etc.

This is the sort of thing that caused me to fear the election of Hillary. Barack Obama is a Harvard indoctrinated Marxist. And anything that a Marxist has done in the past he will be able to order in the future.

Out armed forces as they are presently composed and trained will not follow the kinds of orders that Marxists usually issue. Therefore the Armed Forces must be destroyed or terrorized into submission.

If Obama is elected there will be a civil war. Count on it.

re: #128 Killian Bundy

/damn, now there's a search I haven't run on the Obama site yet, what could go wrong with that search term?

388 results.. First up, Bill Ayers, Great American

re: #144 zombie

IT'S STILL ON HIS WEB SITE.

That's the whole point of this thread.

He is stating these positions RIGHT NOW.

Actually, it's little more significant in this form than if it was scrawled on an anonymous post-it note.

re: #24 Yankee Division Son

This appears to have been for a "Canvass For Change" rally at Minnequa Park in Pueblo, Colorado, on October 13, 2007. The rally is referred to in in this Community Blog page (third to last paragraph) from Obama's site:

[Link: my.barackobama.com...]

RoLev

re: #132 Irene NYC
There is some stuff there under weathermen as I recall. I searched that earlier. Nothing seemed earth shattering but some posters were mad that Bill Clinton pardoned a couple of the members of the group.

re: #141 Typicalwhitey

I think they fixed it.
The links just go to the home page now.

About an hour. Someone got woken up.

The point of a leftist politico like Obama is not to run a constitutional republic. It's to break it down.

re: #156 trigger girlie

Hey, TG! Hope you are well. Still playing the violin I hope. All is well here. Life is good.

re: #147 Killian Bundy

You're smokin' tonight, Killian!

re: #131 victor_yugo

Don't think for a second that the Obamassiah won't try to figure out a way around the "no double jeopardy" rule.

And how is he going to pull that one off? He has just about zero control over military courts, and he'd face a pretty harsh backlash if he tried to exercise any.

With due respect, he's "only" the President, and believe it or not, even the President has limited powers and limited political capital.

He may have a Dem majority Congress, but even among that majority there are still enough moderates that he's not going to get away with the most extreme partisan leftist nonsense, let alone reversing 200+ years of American jurisprudence.

re: #163 Irene NYC

That's what he means by change.
He is telling America what he is going to try to do.
It's just that his followers do not understand.

re: #156 trigger girlie

What ya doing TG?

re: #150 Anna

HEY HEY HEY! lol

I know, I've neglected my lounge responsibilities :(

re: #145 joecitizen

in the 9th Circuit if they have their choice..

and

re: #146 victor_yugo

Probably depends on who's doing the accusing.

Scary answers.

re: #160 RoLev

nice work

re: #167 Typicalwhitey

That's what he means by change.
He is telling America what he is going to try to do.
It's just that his followers do not understand.

I think they understand perfectly, that's what's so scary.

re: #1 schultzw

Absolutely. He is getting scarier on a daily basis.

re: #170 Syrah

Wouldn't suprise me if he didn't mean in the Hague.

Ayers and the Weathermen:

"The Weathermen's 1969 melee in Chicago, billed "The Days of Rage," was meant to inspire working-class youth to commit similarly gratuitous acts, and to prove the group's revolutionary macho to the Black Panthers. But the Panthers spurned them, and there was no evidence that working-class youth were ready to run wild in the streets. So the group changed its tactics, with deadly results. Early in 1970, a group of Weathermen inadvertently blew up three of their members along with a townhouse on Eleventh Street in New York's Greenwich Village. The group was trying to build an anti-personnel bomb, in order to give Americans a taste of the kind of cruel weaponry their government was using in Vietnam.

Now the object of a national manhunt, and rechristened the Weather Underground, the fugitives -- several dozen militants in a handful of American cities -- established guerilla "focos," secret cells in which members learned how to build bigger and better bombs, to be detonated in acts of "strategic sabotage." Besides issuing a stream of turgid communiques denouncing racism and sexism and proclaiming sympathy for fellow revolutionaries such as Ho Chi Minh, the group succeeded in bombing several symbolic targets, including the Pentagon and the Capitol building. Though the group issued warnings to evacuate their targets, inevitably some bystanders were injured. Against all odds, the most notorious Weathermen -- Bernadine Dohrn, Bill Ayers, Mark Rudd, Kathy Boudin -- all managed to elude the FBI.

After the end of the war in Vietnam in 1975, the group quickly fell apart as key members started turning themselves in. First came Rudd in 1977. Two years later, it was Ayers and Dohrn, who were married and raising two children. And in 1981, Kathy Boudin was finally caught in the botched Brink's robbery. Though the Weathermen's organization had killed no one but themselves, other groups inspired by their brand of violent radicalism killed and wounded a not insignificant number of innocent people."

[Link: www.boston.com...]

re: #125 BlueCanuck

Most of our jurisprudence is based on English Common Law from the time of the Baron's revolt at Runnymede and the signing of the Magna Carte (if my lousy memory serves).

I cannot state it stongly or often enough - If policy that complies with the US Constitution is prosecuted, there WILL be blood spilled. I'm not advocating that horror, but imagine the consequences of allowing an unpopular (yet legal) policy being deemed a crime.

There would be no more rule of law. And that, boys and girls, is the end of the civilization game.

re: #169 trigger girlie

Not a problem TG. Know how life can get *blerg!* Gas so high cant afford to drive my Shelby. Thanks you Dims for opposing for 30 years any local oil drilling.

re: #161 Pvt Bin Jammin

My mind is cloudy from a summer cold - you're right. I should've run a more thorough search.

re: #157 The Other Les

If Obama is elected there will be a civil war. Count on it.

If he's not elected, I fear the same. Looting, riots, burnt down cars...

Look, I have faith in American common sense -- but Recreate 68 has a sinister tone. For some people, this is their last hurrah at youth. For others, they can almost touch the brass ring. There's a lot at stake, if things go "wrong".

re: #174 Typicalwhitey

Wouldn't suprise me if he didn't mean in the Hague.

World Court?

re: #168 Anna

I've been gettin back to my art and writing stuffs, and sittin at an online bar. Woohoo, my life is full of excitement, can't you tell? lol

Here's a PDF with some more info on Obama's plan for Iraq.

This one came up on a Google search.

re: #130 unrealizedviewpoint

There need be no question as to how safe the written name GOD is when placed on this site. With Charles in Charge, sounds like a TV show from the 80's, the possibility of erasing or defacing a Name of God is nil.

I normally don't write out the full name of G-d but when I look back now, the author I quoted did. In the Lord's eyes is that like me quoting the troll?

re: #124 Van Helsing

History is replete with examples of what happens to those who betray the military.

If he tries this, it will be sweet to see him get an up close and personal look at angry military personnel.

re: #163 Irene NYC

The point of a leftist politico like Obama is not to run a constitutional republic. It's to break it down.

As I've said and will continue to say, he wants to be a Stone Age God-King.

Obama sez:

War Crimes Trials 4U

re: #155 Killian Bundy

We're not searching Google, we're searching Obama's blog.

/read all the posts Charles has posted today

But if Google isn't turning it up, why isn't it?

Is Google deliberately not doing a deep search of the Obamasite?

re: #181 trigger girlie

Cool beans about the art. When Barry is President, hit him up for a multi million dollar art grant. :)

Obama is a scary Marxist candidate

re: #179 vbspurs

If he's not elected, I fear the same. Looting, riots, burnt down cars...

Look, I have faith in American common sense -- but Recreate 68 has a sinister tone. For some people, this is their last hurrah at youth. For others, they can almost touch the brass ring. There's a lot at stake, if things go "wrong".

Denver could end up looking like France during Ramadan. Car-B-Ques everywhere.

re: #174 Typicalwhitey

Wouldn't suprise me if he didn't mean in the Hague.

There are already rumors that charges against Bush will be filed in the Hague for Crimes Against Humanity. They want to make it impossible for him to leave the United States.

re: #176 Van Helsing

Agreed, especially with our highly educated soldiers. I am sure that all options would be properly weighted before action happened.

/but leftists don't think they just feel.

re: #180 Syrah
A lot of the lefties feel the President should be tried there for supposed "war crimes"
I have posted over and over, at kos and other sites that a war sanctioned by Congress is not "illegal"

re: #178 Irene NYC
Mine wasn't thorough at all. LOL I think I just typed in weathermen instead of weather underground. Those guys have creeped me out for years. I was kind of hoping to find some good dirt.

re: #125 BlueCanuck

Interesting. Must be nice where your civil code is pretty much in line with your military code. But then again our military law code was adopted from the British Empire practically whole cloth. Still called Queens Orders and Regulations(QR&O's for short).

well, there i was @ Ft Sam, going through 91Q school. one day towards the end of the school, i was talking to one of the instructors about an issue, and she said i should talk to my class leader, an E-6.

i said, "why bother? he's an idiot" or something along those lines, undoubtedly with a few more soldier type adjectives included. i then went on my way, thinking nothing more of it until our DS told me i was going to get an Art.15 for disrespecting an NCO or some such..... he was thrilled, since he had been after me for some time, since he knew i didn't want to be there or in the service (i had just reenlisted for 6 years to get the school).

went to the little office in the barracks complex where the Defense JAG was (yes, they had that many issues), and talked with the ossifer there (a Captain). i told him my tale of woe and he stated that he already knew all about it, as he had talked with the drill and advised him what charges to file. he also told me that i should just take the Art 15, since it was really no big deal, and was kind of like a "letter of reprimand".

i politely aske him how many Art 15s he had, and he said none. i told him i had almost 10 years of service without one and didn't really want to break that streak. he just said i really had no choice.

i went back the the school building, and decided to talk to the JAG office there. that officer was a full bird Col, seconded from SF. we had talked about life in combat arms versus the medical field several times previously, so he knew me.

i ran down my story, and he said that since i hadn't said the remarks directly to the person in question, but rather voiced an opinion elsewhere, i may not have been diplomatic, but i hadn't broken any regs.

he, however, was *very* interested in the young Cpt volunteering to help the prosecution and in his encouraging people to take punishment, rather than defend them as he was supposed to do.

life got *very* interesting for him after that, and i got more than a few dirty looks when i saw him in the weeks i had left. my drill was pretty pissed too, but he was a jerk.

%-)

re: #145 joecitizen

in the 9th Circuit if they have their choice..

In the ICC. EUdonks would love to have Bush & Co. in the docket.

Whattaya bet that Obama as president would make us subject to Kyoto and the ICC?

/rhetorical question

re: #193 Typicalwhitey

That wont matter since the Kos Kids feel Bush as comitted war crimes. So much for an educated population.

re: #191 Irene NYC

According to the ICC's laws, they can not intervene in legal affairs of countries where the judiciary can handle the matters on its own. Thats why Iraqis didn't hand in Saddam to ICC. And this was why Milosevic was tried by ICC becuz Serbia's legal system didn't take charge and was not trusted to do so.

re: #167 Typicalwhitey

That's what he means by change.
He is telling America what he is going to try to do.
It's just that his followers do not understand.

What's that line again? Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. . . .

Obama Advisor: Say, Barry... about your website... while you were riding a bike with a flat tire, right wing nutjobs somehow found a bunch of objectionable content on my.barackobama.com. Mrs. Obama was in a foul mood, as usual, so we didn't want to stir the pot, but we thought you should know.

Obama: Why did you wait to tell me about this? It's 10:00 Monday morning!

Obama Advisor: Your personal chef said that you were having waffles.

re: #182 gman

Here's a PDF with some more info on Obama's plan for Iraq.

"Fulfill America's Obligation to Accept Refugees"..........

re: #201 vbspurs

Illegal aliens, he meant. LOL

re: #144 zombie

IT'S STILL ON HIS WEB SITE.

That's the whole point of this thread.

He is stating these positions RIGHT NOW.

Its in some obscure corner of his site that was uncovered by an LGFer. . .that's not the same as him stating the positions right now.

Also, the fact that something is on Obama's web site doesn't mean he necessarily believes it, or can't take it off his website and replace it with something totally different tomorrow.

If Obama wants to stick with his "surge is a bad idea" stance now, super. . .McCain will wipe the floor with him.

I think we're going to see further "evolution" of Obama's official positions as he does his inevitable march towards the center. The bit that this thread is about will probably disappear, like Obama's allegiance to Wright.

re: #149 unrealizedviewpoint

Gatorade is NOT Acceptable Foods For A Hamster

Whoops, sorry.. do they make hamster vitamins?

Another loose folder, apparently little-used: [Link: origin.barackobama.com...]

re: #191 Irene NYC

You know, the Pres isn't very popular now, but just like my little brother.....I can pick on him but there will be hell to pay if anyone else does!

You know, the Biden "Plan for Iraq was how many pages long? And Obama seriously puts forth a plan that's a grand total of....(drumroll)...four sentences!

(and an indictment of our soldiers, ya know, for good measure).

re: #191 Irene NYC

There are already rumors that charges against Bush will be filed in the Hague for Crimes Against Humanity. They want to make it impossible for him to leave the United States.

*They* don't have a snowball's chance in hell of arresting a former US President or hampering his free travel.

Obama is starting to look scarier than Idi Amin, one of his former co-religionists and apparent present political role models.

re: #198 winston06

According to the ICC's laws, they can not intervene in legal affairs of countries where the judiciary can handle the matters on its own. Thats why Iraqis didn't hand in Saddam to ICC. And this was why Milosevic was tried by ICC becuz Serbia's legal system didn't take charge and was not trusted to do so.

Oh goodness, winston! Who cares about some silly little rules when we're going after Bushitler?

/s

re: #195 redc1c4

Good on stepping on that Captain. But in the Army Captains are soley interested in being Majors so they can toady up to Colonels which in turn might get them silver oakleaves at least.

The SF JAG, as you said, had been there and he was already on top of the food chain so he could squish that toad of a Captain for being too much of a bootlicker. Hope that Captain learned something about integrity from it, but doubt it.

re: #205 Clemente

What dummies!
They have left some still open.

re: #206 Typicalwhitey

It's sad that some misinformed people in the US can not recognize the service this president has done. Bush will be fairly remembered by historians 50 yrs from now. He has kept the US safe and has decimated the al-Qaeda network real bad. He has some flaws but still, he is a good president.

re: #30 SpartanWoman

The file was created Oct 3, 2007

re: #210 Irene NYC

hehehe... I know. I just wanted to make myself clear. ;-)

re: #9 Sharmuta

God help our troops if this man gets elected!

Amen to that sister!

This Comrade Brother will make what Murtha has been trying to do to the US Marines look like a simple misunderstanding.

re: #209 gymnast

agreed!

re: #208 looking closely

Yes, but they like gumming up the works and stirring up the hoi polloi.
;)

re: #184 Ban Draoi

History is replete with examples of what happens to those who betray the military.

If he tries this, it will be sweet to see him get an up close and personal look at angry military personnel.

no: the military personnel in question will act as the professionals they are.

they will also decline to re-enlist in record numbers.

re: #213 winston06

I agree.
I believe this war was neccessary.
I lost a family member in it and it pisses me off when I hear someone say the we went to war for nothing.

re: #204 Yankee Division Son

I saw that movie - doesn't work well on plants, either.

re: #209 gymnast

same movie.

It seems that the door to the candy store has closed (by 10:40PDT).

I had hoped to check my recollection of file dates. I thought the .PDF had a date of 2007.

Who in the BHO Campaign wrote these plans, and are they still in the campaign?

Will those who voted for BHO, once they see this flyer, have sceond thoughts?

re: #7 experiencedtraveller

And throw the democratically elected government of Iraq UNDER THE BUS!

I don't think this point could be stressed enough. Have the Iraqis complained that their Constitution is inadequate to the point that it needs replacing? This is really sinister. We yank out troops and create a double vacuum with a lack of security AND a lack of government.

Obama poster.

re: #205 Clemente

Another loose folder, apparently little-used: [Link: origin.barackobama.com...]

From your link . . .

/moonbat comedy gold

Democrats can be fascists, remember that!

re: #223 Sharmuta

I thought the US didn't intend to create puppet governments any more. Probably Hussein O's intention is to create Islamonazi puppets around the world.

As Render and others have indicated, I think the PDF was for last year:

Supporters of U.S. Presidential Candidate Barack Obama plan rallies to oppose Iraq War

Remarks of Senator Barack Obama: Turning the Page in Iraq
Clinton, IA | September 12, 2007
Obama speech, "As prepared for delivery"

Obama’s “Turn the Page in Iraq” plan

Standing in front of a sign that summarized Obama’s four-point plan “To turn the page in Iraq,” Kamala Harris noted that when Obama spoke out against the war in October 2002, he took any extra courageous stance since he was running for the US Senate at the time.

re: #209 gymnast

Obama is starting to look scarier than Idi Amin, one of his former co-religionists and apparent present political role models.

His Excellency President for Life, Field Marshal Al Hadji Doctor Idi Amin Dada, VC, DSO, MC, CBE.

re: #220 Typicalwhitey

I agree.
I believe this war was neccessary.
I lost a family member in it and it pisses me off when I hear someone say the we went to war for nothing.

I'm truly sorry for your family's loss. It's hard to ignore hateful people who says things like that, but they are wrong and they are mean spirited and hate-filled people.

re: #229 victor_yugo

Idi Amin seemed to be an eloquent speaker too; He ins-laughter-pired his own people. Just like our own Hussein Obama

re: #129 Intrepid

Might throw a monkey wrench into the works of trying to move to the center, though. And that's where Obama desperately needs votes. To see it all starkly laid out like this might turn off more moderate democrats.

From my view and the people I have talked to....it already has.
Every Dem I know is *NOT* voting for BHO! One said they just weren't going to vote. Talked her into realizing that *NOT VOTING* is voting for BHO.

re: #229 victor_yugo

re: #209 gymnast

His Excellency President for Life, Field Marshal Al Hadji Doctor Idi Amin Dada, VC, DSO, MC, CBE.

/that's His Excellency, President for Life, Field Marshal Al Hadji Doctor Idi Amin Dada, VC DSO, MC, Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas and Conqueror of the British Empire in Africa in General and Uganda in Particular, to you

re: #226 winston06

Democrats can be fascists, remember that!

Can be?
They're more closely related to Fascists than Republicans ever were.

re: #224 HelloDare

Obama poster.

What! You couldn't fit "& hangman" on it too?
;)

re: #212 Typicalwhitey

What dummies!
They have left some still open.

They're gonna be at this all night. They'll be cursing Charles and Lizards till dawn.

re: #234 DesertSage

I know. Most fascists were socialists first. Hillary and Hussein O remind me of European socialists who force people to do things. It's fascist in nature. And I believe DemoNRats are fascists by default

re: #236 unrealizedviewpoint
Any chance the MSM will pick this up?

re: #231 winston06

Idi Amin seemed to be an eloquent speaker too; He ins-laughter-pired his own people. Just like our own Hussein Obama

I know a man who will tell you how God warned him in a dream to get out, as fast as he could. He woke his wife, they grabbed their baby girl, jumped in the car, and left. They took nothing with them. And when they arrived at the border, the news was already waiting for him that Idi Amin's henchmen had murdered his father.

Damn, Charles, every single directory that we discovered was open and posted by you on the front page has now already been closed.
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The Obama campaign is monitoring LGF on a minute-by-minute basis, extremely closely.

We are debugging their site for them.

Only Clemente's "test" directory in comment #205 is still open.

Put it on the front page and it will be closed in 3 minutes, I guarantee.

Hello, Mr. or Ms. Obama Webmaster! Nice to meet you.

re: #232 Suzette

Every Dem I know is *NOT* voting for BHO! One said they just weren't going to vote.

I only have one Democrat friend who is leaning Obama.

From my male hairstylist who worships Hillary Clinton, to all my parents Jewish friends, to a great chunk of suddenly Democratic-leaning Cuban friends, NONE are voting for Obama. In many neighbourhoods here in my side of FL, you dont see one lawn with an Obama poster. Not an one.

re: #227 winston06

Winston- I just haven't heard any news anywhere that the Iraqis already want a new constitution, so why is Dear Leader advocating this?

re: #238 Typicalwhitey

Nope. MSNBC, CNN, CBS, PBS, ..... etc are in love with Hussein and they won't do that. Fox News could!

re: #181 trigger girlie

Just curious, when you say "your art", what kind of art are you into?

re: #239 victor_yugo

You know, Dems are capable of doing exactly that if we don't obey their orders.

re: #235 Irene NYC

What! You couldn't fit "& hangman" on it too?
;)

Tried. Not enough space. Wanted to add prosecutor. Wouldn't fit.

re: #238 Typicalwhitey

Any chance the MSM will pick this up?

Possibly- if we hammer it. Look how long it took them to cover rev. wright- you know they didn't want to, but they couldn't avoid it forever.

re: #243 winston06
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You know who the worst is? That hysterical Olbermann.
I can't stand that guy.

re: #243 winston06

Crap, accidentally gave you a thumbs down (hoping for a vote change feature soon, but we're already spoiled).

re: #245 winston06

You know, Dems are capable of doing exactly that if we don't obey their orders.

Only by revoking the Second Amendment.

Speaking of which, any news on the Supreme Court's ruling on the DC gun ban?

re: #245 winston06

You know, Dems are capable of doing exactly that if we don't obey their orders.

Every Dem I know is a hoplophobe. Not a chance.

re: #237 winston06

I know. Most fascists were socialists first. Hillary and Hussein O remind me of European socialists who force people to do things. It's fascist in nature. And I believe DemoNRats are fascists by default

The Seattle Demo/Fascists are forcing people to stop having bonfires on the beach, in the name of global warming. Fascist tactics at their finest

re: #181 trigger girlie

re: #244 Slumbering Behemoth

Her blog doesnt exist any more

Charles you should email Hannity with this.
I bet he would cover it.

re: #252 DesertSage

Didn't that flop, desert?

TBy Chickadee 17 minutes ago
There's one conspiracy theory I won't buy... and that's the "official story" the Bush/Cheney administration has tried to sell us. 19 hijackers with box-cutters successfully taking over 4 planes and ramming them into 3 out of 4 buildings in the most heavily guarded airspace in the world just doesn't fly...doesn't even float there are so many holes when you look at the details.

I just found the Jersey Girls, 4 widows of victems from 9/11, have their documentary on googles video now. Here it is:

9/11: Press for Truth Link
[Link: my.barackobama.com...]
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They just won't learn how silly this sounds.

re: #249 Dartmouth

Upticked.

[Link: origin.barackobama.com...]

lots of videos

re: #233 Killian Bundy

/that's His Excellency, President for Life, Field Marshal Al Hadji Doctor Idi Amin Dada, VC DSO, MC, Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas and Conqueror of the British Empire in Africa in General and Uganda in Particular, to you

I saw him one time in Jeddah, about 1986. He had a villa on the Cornish and the Saudi's treated him as an Islamic charity case 1st Class (reserved for deposed Islamic rulers wanted for crimes against humanity). Uganda was a stronghold of the Arab slave trade for centuries.

re: #248 Typicalwhitey

I never watch his show. Why should I? I have more important things in my life to do than to watch his rude, stupid and un-intelligent crap.

;-)

re: #248 Typicalwhitey

Obama-Olbermann '08

/I don't know if it's funny or scary.

re: #254 Typicalwhitey

Hugh Hewitt or Rush Limbaugh?

re: #224 HelloDare

Obama poster.