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iPhone 3G - a Mini-Computer in a Cell Phone

Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 12:04:32 pm PDT

It looks like I’m going to have to join the rest of the world and tether myself to a cell phone—because the new iPhone 3G completely, totally rocks: MacRumors.com : Worldwide Developer Conference 2008 Keynote Live Coverage.

11:46 am The iPhone 3G will be available July 11th in 22 countries. The maximum price around the world is $199 USD. Now showing an ad.

11:45 am $299 for the 16GB — a white version of this size will be available too.

11:45 am Now on to the final challenge — affordability. Started at $599 for an 8GB iPhone, now $399. The iPhone 3G 8GB will sell for... $199.

11:43 am That rollout will occur over the coming few months.

11:43 am China, Japan, Australia, etc. 70 countries total.

11:42 am Checking off 3G from the list of challenges. The second challenge, enterprise support, is fully built-in and can be checked off. The third challenge, third party application support, can also be checked off. The fourth challenge, more countries, can be checked off as it will be available in Canada, Mexico, Norway, Sweden, Netherlands and many others — “It’s a Small World” is playing as countries continue to appear on the map.

11:39 am With GPS, the iPhone can do tracking. A pulsating dot is moving across the Google map as a car drives down Lombard street.

11:38 am Data from cell towers, WiFi networks, and now — GPS.

11:38 am GPS support now integrated into the iPhone.

11:38 am 3G has great battery life on iPhone. 300 hours of standby, 2G talk-time now has 10 hours (as opposed to 5), 5 hours of 3G talk-time (most phones only have 3 hour 3G talk time), 5 to 6 hours of high-speed browsing, 7 hours of video, 24 hours of audio.

11:37 am Now demoing an email download. The email attachment took 5 seconds to download on 3G and 18 seconds on EDGE. 3 seconds on WiFi.

11:36 am 2.8X faster. Approaching WiFi speeds (WiFi scored 17 seconds). When compared to other 3G phones (Nokia N95 and Treo 750), the iPhone is 36% faster — and better looking.

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1 zombie  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:05:14pm

I...WANT ONE!

2 NYC_Mike  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:05:26pm

I watched the live blog my damn self.

In my mind - I'm already in line for one!

3 zombie  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:06:16pm

This is what Apple wanted to do with the Newton 20 years ago. But the technology just wasn't there yet.

This is the Newton x 1000, 1/20th the size.

The future!

4 Shug  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:06:40pm
The iPhone 3G 8GB will sell for... $199.


getting closer to my cheapskate threshold

5 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:07:17pm

Will they support other carriers?

6 Maximu§  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:07:26pm

I have an iPhone and I can't log into lgf from it.

7 Sharmuta  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:07:33pm

You can do it, Charles! Join the millions of Americans who told their land line phone company to shove it!

8 uncle_monkey  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:07:48pm

I'm soooooo glad I got apple at $16 a share!

9 NYC_Mike  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:07:52pm

oh...and lets not forget support for mircosoft office docs (excel, word, power point) and that nifty "mobile me" deal which basically live syncs anything you do on your iphone - to your home computer!

10 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:08:01pm
tether myself to a cell phone

I have yet to see one that didn't have an "off" button (although not always under that label.)

11 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:08:11pm

Can you observe LGF from there?

12 saberry0530  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:08:19pm

Sending atm payment info to AT&T for one: CHECK!

Off topic early as possible. just got this in am email and thought I would share:


A TAXPAYER VOTING FOR OBAMA IS LIKE A CHICKEN VOTING FOR COLONEL SANDERS.

13 zombie  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:08:23pm

I coulda gone to the unveiling but said -- nah. Why bother? I'll get the same info after a 30-second delay on any obsessive tech site.

I've only been to one of these Jobs unveilings. The vibe is similar to an Al Gore global warming speech or an Obama socialist rally. A frisson in the air of: Our deity is speaking to us!

14 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:08:43pm

Cellphones are Stan's tool

15 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:09:00pm

re: #7 Sharmuta

You can do it, Charles! Join the millions of Americans who told their land line phone company to shove it!

I did, and feel all the better for it.

/I love having a flat fee for a phone bill :-)

16 jaunte  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:09:10pm

re: #11 Honorary Yooper

Yes, but posting is very hard.

17 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:09:20pm

re: #14 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Cellphones are Stan's tool

Even the Amish have them.

18 Da_Beerfreak  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:09:46pm

Bah! Humbug!

19 Shug  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:09:47pm

re: #6 Maximu§

I have an iPhone and I can't log into lgf from it.

well what good is it then ?

20 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:09:50pm

re: #13 zombie

I coulda gone to the unveiling but said -- nah. Why bother? I'll get
the same info after a 30-second delay on any obsessive tech site.

I've
only been to one of these Jobs unveilings. The vibe is similar to an Al
Gore global warming speech or an Obama socialist rally. A frisson in
the air of: Our deity is speaking to us!

With all of these deities, where is the Pantheon? Moscone Center?

21 zombie  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:09:51pm

re: #4 Shug

getting closer to my cheapskate threshold

I know. That's an unbelievably low price.

Apple is about to conquer the world.

If I bought stocks and that kind of stuff, I'd be snapping up Apple right about now.

22 Shropshire_Slasher  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:09:53pm

A lot of Iphoneasms in here, getting a little gooey!

23 Shug  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:10:05pm

re: #17 Honorary Yooper

Even the Amish have them.


but they can't charge them

24 WrathofG-d  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:10:26pm

This thing still only work with one service provider?

25 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:10:27pm

Charles,

It looks like I’m going to have to join the rest of the world and tether myself to a cell phone

Are you saying that up until now you haven't owned a cell phone?

What if you crashed your bike and fell off some desolate cliff in Palos Verdes, how would you call for help?

26 zombie  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:10:33pm

re: #6 Maximu�

I have an iPhone and I can't log into lgf from it.

?!?!?!?!

Steve Jobs, I have one word for you: FAIL!

27 saberry0530  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:10:43pm

re: #15 Honorary Yooper

I did, and feel all the better for it.

/I love having a flat fee for a phone bill :-)

Dumped the land line almost two years ago, but transferred the number to my cell. Took some doing but it's worth it in the end.

28 NoSubmission  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:10:49pm

I refuse to own a cell phone.

29 zombie  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:10:50pm

re: #8 uncle_monkey

I'm soooooo glad I got apple at $16 a share!

I hate you.

30 tfc3rid  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:11:04pm

I can get into LGF using my Wii... Tough to post anything but still fun to read when I'm home and don't want to fire up the laptop...

Technology, when used for good, is really incredible!

31 pegcity  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:11:32pm

how is it only $199?

is that with a plan?

32 Sundog  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:11:47pm

Get the price below $100 and we'll talk. My Samsung Blackjack does 3G, and I got it for $50.

33 uncle_monkey  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:11:51pm

re: #29 zombie

I hate you.

Get in line.

34 zombie  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:11:52pm

re: #11 Honorary Yooper

Can you observe LGF from there?

The last time I went to one of these Apple things at Moscone, I left LGF open on all the demo computers.

35 saberry0530  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:12:17pm

re: #31 pegcity

how is it only $199?

is that with a plan?

Doubt it, plans run from $100 to $200 a month.

36 Shug  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:12:26pm

re: #21 zombie

I know. Apple is amazing.
I just got a new 2 GB shuffle to replace the 1GB shuffle I lost.

I saw a lady at the gym yesterday with a CD player and I thought to myself, I can 500 songs in this little thing that is smaller than a pat of butter and will run for 14-15 hours on a charge.


technology is great.

Thank God the 7th century Islamists don't run the world.

37 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:12:50pm

I think I sense Allah's drool all the way over here.

38 jcm  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:13:29pm

re: #28 NoSubmission

I refuse to own a cell phone.

I have a cell phone. 3 people have the number, the wife, the day care and a disabled friend.

39 Isobutyrate  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:13:36pm

No! Don't do it!
I've been holding out as long as possible not to get tethered. "Mini Computer in a cell phone" - looks like they've got you right where they want you.
Now if they make a cellphone that turns into a custom woodshop . . . I might bite.

40 Cygnus  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:13:50pm

re: #28 NoSubmission

I refuse to own a cell phone.

Luddite. :)

41 CoCo  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:13:57pm

I've been waiting for the 3G to trade in my blackberry...can't wait!

42 zombie  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:14:08pm

re: #25 Ringo the Gringo

Charles,


Are you saying that up until now you haven't owned a cell phone?

What if you crashed your bike and fell off some desolate cliff in Palos Verdes, how would you call for help?

I've never owned (or even used) a cell phone either.

But what I really want is a portable full-strength computer in my pcoket/purse/murse.

I couldn't care less about the phone part. Basically what I want is micro-laptop.

43 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:14:10pm

re: #31 pegcity

how is it only $199?

is that with a plan?

No, I doubt that'll include a plan. The original iPhone required a plan that started at around $60/mo.

44 bosforus  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:14:31pm
11:38 am GPS support now integrated into the iPhone.

My interest is officially perked.

45 NoSubmission  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:14:56pm

re: #38 jcm

I have a cell phone. 3 people have the number, the wife, the day care and a disabled friend.


I'm sure for some it holds a purpose. I have a phone at home, a phone at work and don't need/want to be called in between. And I'm far too self-conscious to have a one-way conversation in public.

46 pegcity  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:15:04pm

re: #36 Shug

not to mention you dont need to stop every 45 seconds to let the anti skip charge up again.

CD's were invented in the 1970's. its time to let those wasteful pieces of plastic die already

47 Shug  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:15:36pm

I don't have a home phone. I use my cell phone as my home phone.

and I usually leave it in my car.

48 NoSubmission  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:15:39pm

re: #40 Cygnus

Luddite. :)


Absolutely. But I am wedded to my computer. ;)

49 Maximu§  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:15:47pm

Ive had my iPhone for almost a year and I have to say, its a clumsy phone....if your driving, talking and craddleing it on your shoulder with your head tilted to hold it in place, its easy to press the "mute" button or other buttons by accident.

Its not the greatest phone, but it does everything else very well.

50 Irene NYC  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:15:53pm

Oh man, that's like as cheap as the 8G ipod nano 3G. Unbelievable.

I'm in.

51 jcm  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:15:57pm

re: #36 Shug

I know. Apple is amazing.
I just got a new 2 GB shuffle to replace the 1GB shuffle I lost.

I saw a lady at the gym yesterday with a CD player and I thought to myself, I can 500 songs in this little thing that is smaller than a pat of butter and will run for 14-15 hours on a charge.


technology is great.

Thank God the 7th century Islamists don't run the world.

/Brag on.

I hand built the first 5 control wheels for the iPod shuffle and mini. The engineer who developed the firmware for controlling the control wheel then demoed them for Steve Jobs.

/Brag off.

52 Terp Mole  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:16:04pm

Why is AAPL stock falling on this news?

Not enough pricing power?

53 Cygnus  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:16:04pm

I just bought a Blackberry. This makes it look like something out of The Flintstones. Now if somebody could just invent the warp drive...

54 SonOfLiberty  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:16:07pm

I'm so glad I waited on getting an iPhone. I knew there'd be some major upgrade like this and although I was nearly licking the cases that the iPhone came in, I thought it best to wait until they came out with the 2nd generation of this product.

So happy, I am.

I'll have one on the 11th.

55 Silhouette  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:16:10pm

Hey, I just found out my cell has a calculator function...so I've got that going for me.

56 Sharmuta  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:16:31pm

re: #36 Shug

I see muslimas all the time with cell phones. They use their hijabs as a convenient holder and I think to myself- hey! At least that hijab is good for something.

57 jcm  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:16:45pm

re: #45 NoSubmission

I'm sure for some it holds a purpose. I have a phone at home, a phone at work and don't need/want to be called in between. And I'm far too self-conscious to have a one-way conversation in public.

If wasn't for day care we wouldn't have one.

58 Racer X  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:16:50pm

re: #3 zombie

This is what Apple wanted to do with the Newton 20 years ago. But the technology just wasn't there yet.

This is the Newton x 1000, 1/20th the size.

The future!

Heh. I had a Newton.

59 Shug  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:17:25pm

re: #51 jcm

my ears thank you.

I can't imagine life before itunes

60 Irene NYC  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:17:26pm

re: #51 jcm

Well, you deserve bragging rights.
;)

61 bosforus  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:17:28pm

re: #55 Silhouette

Hey, I just found out my cell has a calculator function...so I've got that going for me.

I forgot my calculator one day in college and had to use my phone calculator for homework. It was an engineering class. It was very painful.

62 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:17:34pm

Obama's webmaster uses a rotary phone.

63 Isobutyrate  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:17:35pm

re: #45 NoSubmission

I'm sure for some it holds a purpose. I have a phone at home, a phone at work and don't need/want to be called in between. And I'm far too self-conscious to have a one-way conversation in public.

Amen.

64 rawmuse  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:17:35pm

Yeah, I am going to get one as well. Or, more accurately, put myself on a waiting list for one. I don't even care that Algore was there at the announcement.

65 jcm  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:17:43pm

re: #58 Racer X

Heh. I had a Newton.

I still have mine!

66 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:18:48pm

Well, now I feel stupid with my iPhone I bought last year. But I knew this was going to happen.

re: #6 Maximu§

I have an iPhone and I can't log into lgf from it.

I can, no problem. Don't know what to tell you. It does take a while to load the long threads, though.

I actually like it as a phone. And you're not supposed to be talking while cradling it on your neck and driving, anyway!

67 Vanceone  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:18:52pm

Apple stock always falls on Conference day. The pattern for Apple is: buy before the SteveNote, sell on the day as Apple can't possibly fulfill every rumor.

I still want an iPhone, but all that's around here is Verizon and AllTell--so no dice.

Maybe an iPod touch.... *sigh*

68 SeafoodGumbo  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:19:07pm

Here Come The New iPhone Apps
Some intersting apps on the way including this original one:

Citysense: Nightlife tracker. Let's you see the city's hot spots by showing heat maps of where people are via their cell phones and other signal-emitting mobile devices. Only available in San Francisco for now. A demo app for Sense Networks.
69 Doctor Know  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:19:09pm

Forgive me father, for I have sinned. I have lusted after an iPhone...

70 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:19:13pm

About this new implement, can it core a apple?

/

71 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:19:37pm

re: #51 jcm

/Brag on.

I hand built the first 5 control wheels for the iPod shuffle and mini. The engineer who developed the firmware for controlling the control wheel then demoed them for Steve Jobs.

/Brag off.

That's definite bragging rights. Nice work.

72 jcm  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:19:37pm

re: #60 Irene NYC

Well, you deserve bragging rights.
;)

It's kind of cool going into an electronics store and seeing products that have a little piece of what I do in there.

I'm not too sure about clean indicator on a hoover vacuum or the *ahem* adult toys that use our products.

73 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:19:45pm

re: #49 Maximu§

Ive had my iPhone for almost a year and I have to say, its a clumsy phone....if your driving, talking and craddleing it on your shoulder with your head tilted to hold it in place, its easy to press the "mute" button or other buttons by accident.

Its not the greatest phone, but it does everything else very well.


Our daughter got an iphone about six months ago. Nobody can understand what she's saying when she calls. Sometimes I have to ask her to repeat two or three times.

74 alegrias  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:19:51pm

Ploome Hineni on another thread said we should peg our high tech products to their OPEC set oil prices!

Just to balance the balance of trade you know.

75 ContraJihadi  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:20:58pm

re: #45 NoSubmission

I resisted buying a cell phone for a long time, but one day I had a nasty auto accident, and I really needed to make contact pronto. I now have a cell phone, and like Sharmuta I have jettisoned the land line.

Because of my cell phone, I learned my Mom had taken a bad fall and needed to be hospitalized. I was cruising along 505 at the time. If it hadn't been for the cell, I would have been hours late in seeing her.

76 alegrias  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:20:58pm

re: #68 SeafoodGumbo

Here Come The New iPhone Apps
Some intersting apps on the way including this original one:

* * *
Give 'em out to the bad guys then.
Big Brother will watch you!

78 jcm  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:21:13pm

re: #71 Occasional Reader

That's definite bragging rights. Nice work.

One those hey no pressure situations....
Multi-million dollar opportunity, 3 days...
no pressure.

79 Ciannaky  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:21:22pm

Why I have a cell phone I'll never know; I don't have any friends and my family hates me.

80 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:21:46pm

re: #73 Pvt Bin Jammin

Our daughter got an iphone about six months ago. Nobody can understand what she's saying when she calls. Sometimes I have to ask her to repeat two or three times.

I haven't had that problem. I have better clarity with the iPhone than with my old Nokia (Verizon).

81 alegrias  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:21:49pm

re: #56 Sharmuta

I see muslimas all the time with cell phones. They use their hijabs as a convenient holder and I think to myself- hey! At least that hijab is good for something.

* * *

How else can they beat Sharia, if not with Western technology?

82 bosforus  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:22:53pm

re: #70 JammieWearingFool

About this new implement, can it core a apple?

/

Nah, but it's pretty good at breaking windows.

83 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:22:59pm

re: #42 zombie

How do you make a phone call when you're out and about, do they still have public telephones?...I know San Francisco got rid of phone booths a long time ago because the homeless were using them as toilets.

84 Cygnus  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:23:59pm

re: #62 JammieWearingFool

Obama's webmaster uses a rotary phone.

No, he uses carrier pigeon and Pony Express.

85 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:24:14pm

Guy showed me his iPhone a while back. Sweet! I am trying to come up with the excuse to get one.

86 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:24:36pm
and tether myself to a cell phone

It need not be a tether. You can always turn it off. I definitely control my cellphone, not vice-versa.

87 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:24:49pm

re: #80 Occasional Reader
You lucked out. She loves all of the functions but she deals with senior citizens all day and they tell her about the clarity issues as well. Frustrating.

88 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:25:10pm

re: #17 Honorary Yooper

Even the Amish have them.

And the handmade hardwood shells are just gorgeous.

89 NoSubmission  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:25:21pm

re: #79 Ciannaky

Why I have a cell phone I'll never know; I don't have any friends and my family hates me.


And if I had one, it probably would never ring. LOL

90 ronpaulblimpie  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:26:16pm

Sweet phone. Now I can find out when my next Ron Paul meetup cult rally is going to be without having to log in my computer in my parent's basement.

91 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:26:49pm

Oh Well Charles -

Looks like you waited for the right phone. As a MOTO-Q guy, think you will enjoy it, perhaps even more due to the iPhone features. As for me, I will stick with the Q for now and certainly give the 3G iPhone a look when I'm due for an upgrade.

-S-

92 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:26:54pm

re: #87 Pvt Bin Jammin

You lucked out. She loves all of the functions but she deals with senior citizens all day and they tell her about the clarity issues as well. Frustrating.

If she doesn't mind laying out the cash, tell her to get a Jawbone bluetooth ear bud. They provide superior clarity to even the basic phone (without earbud), because of the noise reduction technology.

93 alegrias  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:27:31pm

Let's HOPE Charles doesn't get too tethered to CHANGE his amazing output, saving the planet one thread at a time, at warp speed.

Bless you Charles, if you retired today, you've done more than many a mortal for glorious benefit all freedom-loving peoples. (to borrow a Borat phrase.)

94 Maximu§  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:27:38pm

re: #73 Pvt Bin Jammin

Our daughter got an iphone about six months ago. Nobody can understand what she's saying when she calls. Sometimes I have to ask her to repeat two or three times.


Occasional Reader and Jammin, its the shape that really makes it a clumsy phone. Most phones fold open and that puts the mouth piece closer. That shape helps it wrap around your cheek easier, but the straight iPhone is harder to talk into

Its small size and thin profile also make it very easy to drop...its definitely is not a great phone and I speak from experience of owning it for almost a year.

95 Silhouette  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:28:05pm

re: #69 Doctor Know

Forgive me father, for I have sinned. I have lusted after an iPhone...

It's not a sin unless you want your neighbors'.

Here are God's basic rules about how the Tribes of Israel should live, a very brief list of sacred obligations and solemn moral precepts, and right at the end of it is, "Don't envy your friend's cow."

What is that doing in there?

Why would God, with just ten things to tell Moses, choose, as one of them, jealousy about the things the man next door has? And yet think about how important to the well-being of a community this commandment is.

If you want a donkey, if you want a meal, if you want an employee, don't complain about what other people have, go get your own.

96 incanus  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:28:56pm

re: #7 Sharmuta

You can do it, Charles! Join the millions of Americans who told their land line phone company to shove it!

What is this "land line" you speak of?

97 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:29:09pm

re: #92 Occasional Reader
Great idea. It's going to be the law here in California by the end of the month that you must use an earbud while driving anyway. How much do they run?

98 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:31:16pm

re: #94 Maximu§

Most phones fold open and that puts the mouth piece closer. That shape helps it wrap around your cheek easier

But that's the only way to get a good-sized screen, of course. Imagine watching a movie on a clamshell-type phone screen. And I always hated "balancing" the phone on my neck anyway; far better to use a bluetooth or just an earbud headset.

Its small size and thin profile also make it very easy to drop

Plunk down $10 and get a rubber covering for it. This makes it much easier to grip, and also protects it from, e.g., putting it down on a table that has just been wiped down and has water on it. It makes all the difference. I have never dropped my iPhone; I dropped my Nokia several times.

its definitely is not a great phone and I speak from experience of owning it for almost a year.

I've had mine for about a year, too, and I love it.

99 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:31:39pm

re: #94 Maximu?
Thanks. That makes sense.

100 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:32:00pm

re: #74 alegrias

Ploome Hineni on another thread said we should peg our high tech products to their OPEC set oil prices!

Just to balance the balance of trade you know.

alegrias -

Can we add food and beverage to that list of re-pegged prices? Can't grow much in sand and oases are few and far between.

-S-

101 winston06  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:32:08pm

re: #1 zombie

I want one too but can't get one for two reasons:

1- not available in Canada yet
2- very expensive

102 kirche  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:32:48pm

can it be surgically implanted into my forearm?

103 Cygnus  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:33:22pm
104 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:34:06pm

re: #101 winston06

1- not available in Canada yet

Really?! I'm stunned. I mean, it's available in Paraguay, for pete's sake. (Even on the non-black market.)

105 Silhouette  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:34:26pm

re: #104 Occasional Reader

(Even on the non-black market.)

RACIST!

106 kutabeach  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:34:50pm

I will be in line on July 11.

Going to have to ditch Verizon, though. Oh well.

iPhone 3G ROCKS!

107 Cygnus  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:36:52pm

(Even on the non-black market.)

That's melanin-challenged market.

108 moonflower  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:37:31pm

No need to be tethered - I only answer my cel phone when I want to and never before 9AM or after 6PM. I use my land line at home mostly for business since I work out of my house.

My cel phone is for MY convenience, not anyone elses.

109 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:38:30pm

I made my racist, melanin-challenged observation simply because in Paraguay - famously - everything's available on the black market.

110 hydrocarbon hank  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:39:22pm

I never thought I could be so obsessive over anything - that is, until I got an iphone. As a business tool, it is invaluable. Everyone in our office now has one.

The only true problem I have with the iphone is that I've become so "connected" to the office that I never have a disconnect.

I literally fall asleep checking email and/or news and blogs every night.

"I can't quit you"

111 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:40:08pm

Big deal...

My Nintendo DS lite with the Opera browser cartridge surfs the internet through WiFi fine, been doing it for two years. And I can play Pong if I want to.

/

Walter in Golden, Co.

112 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:41:01pm

Charles, My advice to you is to byte the packet and get one. If for no other reason than vanity.

113 somaking  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:41:02pm

Best part of iPhone: its open to developers.

114 alegrias  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:42:37pm

re: #100 Dr. Shalit

alegrias -

Can we add food and beverage to that list of re-pegged prices? Can't grow much in sand and oases are few and far between.

-S-

* * *
Ploome Hineni said it, not me!

But if they can have a cartel to set oil prices nice & high, why not an Apple Cart-el?

(yes, I know it's bad economics and we're supposed to embrace free trade)

115 incanus  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:42:46pm

I own a pre-G3 iPhone and I like it, but I'm not in love with it.

I disagree with Charles a little on the iPhone description: despite its name it's a handheld computer/PDA with a phone built in, not a phone with the other stuff built in. Prior to the iPhone I had a Sony Ericcson i810; I loved that phone. Great reception and clarity. The iPhone is an acceptable phone at best; I have a lot of issues with reception and clarity. It is easy to drop; I've bounced mine off the parking lot twice. The EDGE network is slow, so the current iPhones are schizophrenic depending on whether you have WiFi or not: iTunes doesn't work on the EDGE network for example.

Having said all that I imagine I'll be getting a new iPhone =)

116 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:42:50pm

re: #67 Vanceone

"van"-

Get it from ATT online. Hard to believe there is an area in the US that they don't cover for phone service.

-S-

117 SeafoodGumbo  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:43:37pm

re: #76 alegrias

* * *
Give 'em out to the bad guys then.
Big Brother will watch you!

Apps like those will find all sorts of new uses -- good and bad. It will be interesting to see how it affects the smart mob phenomenon.

118 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:44:26pm

re: #114 alegrias

alegrias -

Free Trade is for Free Traders - OPEC is a Cartel.

-S-

119 zombie  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:46:55pm

re: #58 Racer X

Heh. I had a Newton.

I'm one of the few people to ever have an eMate. Which was sort of a Newton in a clamshell, for kids.

120 Racer X  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:48:38pm
Cell Phone of Future Fits on the Wrist
To take a call, put your finger in your ear (wash hands before eating). Sound travels via bone and cartilage from your wrist to your finger and then vibrates through to the ear,

Hello?

It's for you.

121 Maximu§  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:49:14pm

re: #98 Occasional Reader

I've had mine for about a year, too, and I love it.

I Love mine also, for all its small drawbacks.....its incredible!

I have dropped it only twice and I try hard to take care of it. In fact Ive never been so careful with my cellphone before.....my previous verizon phone hit the ground about once a month.

Every song and every album from every group that I have ever loved is in that iPhone.

Camera is ok, wish it took shaper pix and there was a little zoom. Texting is great!

Clock/stopwatch is great.....map function with google earth is great, it has given me directions when Im lost.

I see no need for an upgrade right now...I spent $600 on this baby.

122 zombie  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:51:07pm

re: #83 Ringo the Gringo

How do you make a phone call when you're out and about, do they still have public telephones?...I know San Francisco got rid of phone booths a long time ago because the homeless were using them as toilets.

There are a few pay phones here and there, if you keep an eye peeled for them.

But, basically, I don't need to make any calls anyway. I use a payphone like once or twice a year.

Humankind lived for a million years without cell phones. I think we can survive without them.

123 avspatti  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:51:57pm

re: #42 zombie

I've never owned (or even used) a cell phone either.

But what I really want is a portable full-strength computer in my pcoket/purse/murse.

I couldn't care less about the phone part. Basically what I want is micro-laptop.

That is exactly what I want, too. How does the iPod touch measure up while we're waiting?

124 jpfletcher  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:52:48pm

re: #121 Maximu§


I dropped mine on Saturday and it landed top down on a rock that caused the power button to get pushed inside the case, which caused the iPhone to continuously reboot itself.

I took it to the Apple store and they told me that it would cost $249 to replace it, but they were all about customer service and replaced it for free.

125 Maine's Michael  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:53:38pm

It's all the Jews' fault.

Oh, sorry, wrong thread. I thought this was barackobama.com.

126 Maximu§  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:54:06pm

One more thing.....your voice mails on the iPhone are very easy to retrieve, even ones that are last weeks or older.

That rocks....you don't have to push #1 to hear this....push #2 to hear that and #3 for this, I could never go back to a regular phone.

127 Blitherakt  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:55:47pm

So, nobody has answered yet... Are we still stuck with AT&T on this bad boy?

128 Maximu§  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:56:03pm

re: #124 jpfletcher

I dropped mine on Saturday and it landed top down on a rock that caused the power button to get pushed inside the case, which caused the iPhone to continuously reboot itself.

I took it to the Apple store and they told me that it would cost $249 to replace it, but they were all about customer service and replaced it for free.

OMG, you musta cringed when it hit that rock.

129 Charles  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:57:27pm

re: #127 Blitherakt

So, nobody has answered yet... Are we still stuck with AT&T on this bad boy?

I was looking for that info too, haven't found out whether it's still AT&T only. I suspect it is, though.

130 jpfletcher  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:59:04pm

re: #128 Maximu§

I did cringe.

I am very impressed with Apple for replacing it for free even though I was the one that dropped it.

131 Blitherakt  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 12:59:27pm

re: #129 Charles

I was looking for that info too, haven't found out whether it's still AT&T only. I suspect it is, though.

Bleah. Thanks for the update. Guess I'll have to wait for the Jailbreak when I get one. Zero bars at the house and work for AT&T.

132 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 1:00:38pm

re: #121 Maximu§

Camera is ok, wish it took shaper pix

I find I'm always pleasantly surprised by the pictures I take with it. It's only a 2 megapixel camera, but the quality of the photos I get is vastly better than a Sony 2 mp camera (dedicated camera, that is) I used to have.

133 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 1:03:03pm

re: #129 Charles

Looks like... iPhone 3G is finally official, starts at $199, available July 11th

BTW, why does my spell checker always stop at "/showc/" when replying...

134 modnar  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 1:03:05pm

Meh. I'm more interested to see what will come of NVIDIA's Tegra

135 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 1:03:19pm

re: #121 Maximu§

I see no need for an upgrade right now

Oh, I don't NEED an upgrade, but... the new phone covers all the areas I kvetched about with my current phone, specifically; 1) getting off the pokey EDGE network; 2) adding GPS; 3) improving battery life; and... I've heard 4) touch-feedback keypad. Now, if they could just let you TURN OFF PREDICTIVE TEXT, which I frickkin' hate.

136 alegrias  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 1:03:50pm

OT, Y'all--heads will explode.

Obama Isn't Brilliant

Says Elizabeth Hasselbeck on today's women's talk show "The View"!

From Charles' related links

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

137 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 1:06:38pm

re: #124 jpfletcher

I dropped mine on Saturday

Like I said, get the iPhone condom (as I call it); ten bucks for a slim rubber cover. It makes all the difference in keeping a grip on that slippery devil.

138 Maximu§  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 1:06:40pm

re: #130 jpfletcher

I did cringe.

I am very impressed with Apple for replacing it for free even though I was the one that dropped it.

Ive had nothing but good experiences with Apple Support. I would have thought they would have just said "sorry, its not our fault", but Steve Jobs knows we listen closely to stories like this.

139 kf  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 1:12:08pm

Does it do java? Second question -- when will a cell phone be able to do java?

140 incanus  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 1:12:20pm

re: #129 Charles

I was looking for that info too, haven't found out whether it's still AT&T only. I suspect it is, though.

You can get the current model of the iPhone unlocked so you can use different carriers (like T-Mobile), however that does disable other features.

141 Maximu§  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 1:12:46pm

re: #132 Occasional Reader

I find I'm always pleasantly surprised by the pictures I take with it. It's only a 2 megapixel camera, but the quality of the photos I get is vastly better than a Sony 2 mp camera (dedicated camera, that is) I used to have.

Yeah, but you have to hold it very very still....the slightest shake will make your loved ones look like the characters pictured on that Japanese scary movie "Ringu"

142 Maximu§  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 1:13:24pm

Back to work......damn job!

143 incanus  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 1:13:32pm

re: #137 Occasional Reader

Like I said, get the iPhone condom (as I call it); ten bucks for a slim rubber cover. It makes all the difference in keeping a grip on that slippery devil.

The problem with that is, it no longer fits in the batman holster!

144 kywrite  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 1:16:06pm

I needed a new phone anyway, and wanted a pda and a mp3 player -- perfect! That plus my new Eee, and I have an office in my pocket. (It's a large pocket.)

145 kildorn  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 1:17:07pm

re: #129 Charles

"iPhone 3G will be available in the US on July 11 for a suggested retail price of $199 (US) for the 8GB model and $299 (US) for the 16GB model in both Apple and AT&T's retail stores and requires a new two year contract with AT&T for qualifying customers."

146 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 1:20:44pm

re: #141 Maximu§

Yeah, but you have to hold it very very still....the slightest shake will make your loved ones look like the characters pictured on that Japanese scary movie "Ringu"

I think the key there is to hold it for a second AFTER it makes the "camera click" sound... it isn't really finished imaging when it makes that sound.

147 Maximu§  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 1:23:35pm

re: #146 Occasional Reader

I think the key there is to hold it for a second AFTER it makes the "camera click" sound... it isn't really finished imaging when it makes that sound.

I learn something everyday.....take care bro.

148 aikidoka  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 1:28:10pm

eh, I've been doing gps on my Sprint Touch for $100 after rebate and flashing a leaked ROM.

I'll give Apple credit for having the best screen out there and overall style, but I need PDA functions now.

Good news on the price though. It will be interesting to see how win mobile manufacturers respond.

149 so.cal.swede  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 1:35:38pm

3rd party app support sounds interesting. i hope there could be some kind of homebrew apps allowed.. although i doubt it.

150 Buck  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 1:39:27pm

already have all that, and more with my HTC TYTN II.

151 astronmr20  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 1:41:37pm

re: #32 Sundog

Get the price below $100 and we'll talk. My Samsung Blackjack does 3G, and I got it for $50.

Was looking at the blackjack... only problem it runs the new windows mobile, which is not working out so good for people.

152 zombie  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 1:42:40pm

re: #144 kywrite

I needed a new phone anyway, and wanted a pda and a mp3 player -- perfect! That plus my new Eee, and I have an office in my pocket. (It's a large pocket.)

That's the one thing that non-Apple users have as an advantage over Apple users: the ability to own one of those Eees and similar sub-mini-notebooks.

I want an Eee that runs OSX. Then I could live happy.

153 Perry  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 1:45:29pm

I absolutely will never give up my grocery list shareware program for my Palm. Unless there's one for this gadget. Anybody know? Too bourgious?

154 Athos  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 1:45:50pm

re: #152 zombie

That would be very useful. Rumors are Apple have a couple of redesigns underway. But short term, there's always the MacBook Air. Small, light.......and a handy weapon for self-defense on some of your incursions into the world of moonbats and anarchists.

155 astronmr20  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 1:47:21pm

The big rumor was this thing was going to be able to be a video phone.. through Ichat A/V. My guess is if everyone started using the 3G network for that, it would get gummed up pretty fast.

Oh well.

Looks like I still need to get one. been shopping for a new PDA phone, and everything else I use is apple.

156 kywrite  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 1:48:48pm

re: #152 zombie

Thought I heard Apple was coming out with a microsubcompact type notebook? Maybe I was wrong. Anyhoo, my Eee is Linux, which I'm finding has limitations. I have to break their proprietary OS sometime this week and load on the better ones the eee community drools over.

157 debutaunt  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 1:51:40pm

Don't dig this kind of phoning, chum.

158 Phil N Blanx  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 1:54:50pm

re: #54 SonOfLiberty

I'm so glad I waited on getting an iPhone. I knew there'd be some major upgrade like this and although I was nearly licking the cases that the iPhone came in, I thought it best to wait until they came out with the 2nd generation of this product.

So happy, I am.

I'll have one on the 11th.

Same here SonOfLiberty -- My daughter's birthday is coming up at the end of June and I was going to spring for the 400 bucks for her and keep my old razor. Not anymore. Now I can get 2 for the price of one. Sweet. Enter patience/virtue thought here.

159 astronmr20  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 1:59:04pm

Thing is.. I REALLY need it to be able to do spreadsheets.. or at least read them. that was the main reason for me planning on trading in my sidekick for work and going for a smarter PDA phone... but been holding out because windows mobile is slow on most of the devices out there.

This has the speed and of course the wonderful apple OS, but there'd better be a 3rd party app that does spreadsheets for cheep.

160 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 2:08:34pm

re: #154 Athos

That would be very useful. Rumors are Apple have a couple of redesigns underway. But short term, there's always the MacBook Air. Small, light.......and a handy weapon for self-defense on some of your incursions into the world of moonbats and anarchists.

My wife has one, and loves it. Costs a pretty penny, though. Several of them, actually. To my knowledge, she has not tried to use it as a weapon. Yet.

161 indythinker  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 2:08:51pm

I hope they sell a billion of these to the Asia, the Middle East, and Europe. That would help our trade deficit. Slightly anyway.

162 Angus Day  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 2:17:10pm

ooooer - can I just add

I think they suck like an electrolux; macs, ipods, iphones, itoilets (how long will they keep us waiting?)

163 danarchy  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 2:35:39pm

Nice little bit of hardware, but unless they release a model with a slide out or fold out qwerty keyboard I'll have to go with the Sony Xperia or the HTC Touch Pro. Typing any length email on that virtual keyboard drives me nuts.

164 L. King  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 2:35:40pm

This is really really tempting.

The Apple Store (Canada) says its available from Rogers or FIDO.
There is a hint on the Rogers's site: July 11
;-)

165 Hucbald  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 3:11:08pm

*sigh* I bought an iPhone the first day, so I got the major shaft on the price... but I'm going to have to get Jesus Phone 2.0 anyway.

Yea, yeah... I'll never learn.

Hey, I also bought Newtons 110 and 120 back in the day, then iPod 1.0 and 5.0, so this is a long-standing addiction.

166 vmarks  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 5:48:09pm

#159

It does do spreadsheets, specifically, it will display .xls spreadsheets when received as attachments in an email.

That's the v1 behavior, I don't know what it does in the one that was just announced.

167 CapitalistTool  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 5:57:38pm

re: #12 saberry0530

A TAXPAYER VOTING FOR OBAMA IS LIKE A CHICKEN VOTING FOR COLONEL SANDERS.

OMG I love that line! It'll really tweak the PETAnuts.

168 Avspatti  Mon, Jun 9, 2008 6:24:48pm

Just watched the intro of the new iPhone. Now, how long before all that stuff (without the phone) shows up on an iPod Touch? When it does, I'm in. Wow!

169 SecondComing  Tue, Jun 10, 2008 7:43:05am

I want one really bad. Too bad the data plan is $30 a month. Working out to $360 a year, ouch. And too bad I'm locked into my Sprint contract until a year from now and all my family and my wife's has Sprint and we get Sprint to Sprint minutes. So it will be next to impossible to get my wife to want to switch carriers.


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