D'Oh!

sigh...

How disappointing.

I'm pretty much an atheist Catholic (I appreciate my Christian upbringing, but I don't subscribe to the supernatural stuff), and people like this clown make me sad; almost ashamed, really. He's such a disgrace to the church.

Nice way to boost your battered credibility, there, Catholic hierarchy. Sheesh.

as 'whitey' I wonder how welcome I would be in St. Sabina's...

//need I?

Here's to hoping the Lord told him to shut his mouth.

Saying 3 Hail Marys and 2 Our Fathers doesn't take very long.

Oh good grief.

re: #5 Occasional Reader

Nice way to boost your battered credibility, there, Catholic hierarchy. Sheesh.

how's the say go?"They've hit rock bottom and are starting to dig."

Father Phlem is back at the pulpit without pause.

I'm a practicing Catholic and believe in God. Priests like Pfleger are embarrassing. He is indeed a disgrace to the Church.

They ARE big on forgiveness, after all.

A suspension of any length is a joke.

Something smells rotten in the Catholic church.

Pfleger is just an LGF plant sent to discredit Obama.

/nothing to see here, move along

Two other parishioners ... who are not Catholic, said they would have left St. Sabina's and followed Pfleger to a new church if he had been removed.

Hmm.

Just enough time off to hone his rant sermon for next week.

re: #15 Slumbering Behemoth

LOL

Yeah, I was raised Catholic in Chicago, now I live in the San Fran area, and I cannot find a church that is not totally infested with moonbats, preaching all sorts of nonsense about illegals, etc. It really makes me sick, I've had about enough of everything being taken over by these tools.

He's a typical white guilt infested minister who hates jews.

It's punishment enough to wake up in his world everyday.

a three-hour Sunday mass

ouch

re: #12 buddyg

I'm a practicing Catholic and believe in God. Priests like Pfleger are embarrassing. He is indeed a disgrace to the Church.

LOL! funny you qualified that, 'cause I knew a Jesuit that didn't...why he was a Jesuit was beyond me...

re: #20 AmeriDan

He's a typical white guilt infested minister who hates jews.

It's punishment enough to wake up in his world everyday.

What did he say about Jews?

Yeah, and I was raised Catholic, now live far away from where I grew up, and my priests, bishops, and cardinals are fine.

Come on we all know that it was really Jeremiah Wright talking and that speach was just "Pflegerized" by Father Pfleger.

Just keep on keepin' on Pfleger -

Pfluck!

Now the St. Sabina folks will have their favorite lunatic priest back. And he can continue with his divisive and non-Christian ranting.

I went to father Pfleger for confession and it went like this

Bless me father for I have sinned. I donated 25$ to the RNC

and he said, "say 10 God Damn Americas" and donate 35 dollars to barack obama and you are absolved of your sins

I want to hear some more Pfagerisms...they always seem to cheer me up.

Something I rarely see when Pfleger comes up is his rabid anti-gun stance. Google it - it is pretty radical. Probably not the Pfleger that Obama knew...

re: #22 paxnhymn

LOL! funny you qualified that, 'cause I knew a Jesuit that didn't...why he was a Jesuit was beyond me...

Actually, I was contrasting with comment #4.
Should've reply quoted to it.

re: #7 ArmyWife

Here's to hoping the Lord told him to shut his mouth.

I'd say Pleger isn't accepting calls from that number anymore.

re: #21 Shug

ouch

Seems like Pfleger is channelling Fidel Castro. Well, that's not so strange, is it.

In the latest “incident,” Pfleger, when he made a special address to the congregation last Sunday at the Trinity United Church of Christ (Obama’s church, and the one for which the Rev. Jeremiah Wright was pastor for many years), was talking about what he perceived as Clinton’s racially improper conduct during her campaign.

SPECIFICALLY, HE MOCKED the tears she shed publicly at an event early in the campaign season. Some political observers believe she was putting on an act, but Pfleger went into a diatribe saying that Clinton was legitimately sad that people were taking a black candidate more seriously than they were a white woman such as herself.

“She wasn’t the only one crying,” Pfleger told the congregation. “There was a whole lot of white people crying.”

[Link: www.suntimes.com...]

Has anyone asked him who? This sort of false assertion should be questioned. Who did he see crying other than Hilary? Oh, it was just race-based rhetoric. That's ok then.

The return of Father Moonbat.

re: #23 Cognito

What did he say about Jews?

You're kidding, right? Check out the crowd he hangs with.

With this bit of good cheer, I am off to bed.

I wonder what the motivation was to bring this guy back so soon....

re: #23 Cognito

You might want to do 30 seconds of research before you ask such a question.

Here's a hint: Farrakhan.

"Father" Pfleger. What a joke this asshat is. The Diocese says "bad boy, don't do that again", he says "OK, but I'll still do what I want to" and everything is coming up roses.

No wonder people have zero respect for the Church. When the "leadership" gives someone like that a pass for what was inexcusable behavior, you gotta wonder.

Wan Pflegen pflegen, Pflegen pflegen pflege nach.

(German lingo)

re: #39 coquimbojoe

I wonder what the motivation was to bring this guy back so soon....

The collection plate wasn't so full.

Ok, I am really going to bed now.

With hundreds of sycophants singing his praises what would make him think he did anything wrong? The self-loathing irregular white guy believes his hate filled rants are justified.
Perhaps President Obama will make him Secretary of Reparations.

re: #39 coquimbojoe

I wonder what the motivation was to bring this guy back so soon....

CHANGE!

re: #45 AmeriDan

CHANGE!

Nice work!

re: #39 coquimbojoe

re: #39 coquimbojoe

I wonder what the motivation was to bring this guy back so soon....

It's called, "not getting s*** burned down in the streets of Chicago

re: #22 paxnhymn

LOL! funny you qualified that, 'cause I knew a Jesuit that didn't...why he was a Jesuit was beyond me...

Possibly he liked the logic and mental discipline. The few jesuits I've ever met seem to be the real world equivalent to Vulcans.

thats funny, I'm 99% sure Barak and his supporters think he should be in the White House because he's black.

This preacher is a preacher of hate, nothing more.

It might be because I come from a place where people cling to guns and religion, but I can't imagine in a million years this sort of despicable nonsense being tolerated in the church I grew up in.

re: #29 Shug

I went to father Pfleger for confession and it went like this

Bless me father for I have sinned. I donated 25$ to the RNC

and he said, "say 10 God Damn Americas" and donate 35 dollars to barack obama and you are absolved of your sins

I went to Father Pfleger and confessed that I had sinned with a loose girl.

He asked me "Was it that Becky Hopkins?" I answered no.

He said "Was it the Lopez girl, Serafina?" Again, I answered no.

Then he said "Was it that little tramp Lucinda Dwight?" No, Father, I swear.

He gave me ten Hail Obamas and said I could go. My friend Joey asked me later if I had gotten severe punishment. I told him no, but I did get three good leads!

The Father apparently supports a candidate who supports abortion AFTER birth.

I'm not sure why he isn't being defrocked.

I don't know much about the grounds for disciplining priests. What does canon law say about Pfleger's situation? Anyone here know?

re: #41 6pat6

"No wonder people have zero respect for the Church clergy.

The Church is all of its congregants, not just the clergy.

re: #52 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Good point.

Why'd he say so many bad things about Hillary?

re: #40 Merovign

I think someone (Cognito) needs to wake up from their nap.

Maybe Pfleger is know for "passing a heavy plate" and the Cardinal does not want to see the revenue disappear. Or perhaps, the Cardinal is afraid of Pfleger and is aware of how much it would cost the Church if it was to show up in the media. Could be that the Cardinal sees himself moving on up the ladder to Rome and doesn't want to attract attention to a "sticky" situation.
Perhaps the Cardinal should have Pfleger burned at the stake in the middle of Grant Park so that the Church would have a bit more credibility. Maybe the Pope should add the Cardinal to the pyre for the good of the Church. Oops, 400 years to late,

Gotta be a Chicago thing. Any parish that wants this kind of pastor is a mystery to me.

Pflegm

That guy aspires to be the Charles Coughlin of this age.

The Church is afraid, like so much of Western civilization to stand up for itself; to defend its values and demand respect. It's a sickening state of affairs.

FYI...the first Borg episode (Star Trek TNG) is on SciFi channel.

re: #58 gymnast

How about asking the Cardinal?

re: #61 Syrah

That guy aspires to be the Charles Coughlin of this age.

I was thinking of him too. I read about him in Jonah Goldberg's excellent book, but I couldn't remember his name.

re: #37 AmeriDan

You're kidding, right? Check out the crowd he hangs with.

I'm not saying he's a big fan of Jewish folk. I just haven't heard anything for or against, among his many -- many -- moronic statements.

re: #62 patrickafir

Yes, that Pope Benedict, what an obtuse, equivocating lightweight.

re: #30 DesertSage

I want to hear some more Pfagerisms...they always seem to cheer me up.

Dear Father Moonbat,
Here's my hope:
to see you soon on Youtube,
blathering like a dope.

Why'd he go into the black to say all those bad things about Hillary?

He's a moonbat, Sage.

“Let this time be a teaching moment for us to hear the Lord, to grow closer to him and become even stronger to build a kingdom on Earth as it is in heaven,” Pfleger wrote.

What a complete idiot!

Mankind doesn't, can't build a kingdom on earth as it is in Heaven!

What an idiot, and what the vile wretched man said in support of Obama, was a racist slam towards whites, not just Hillary!

But, the media, and the "Cardinal" have only said that what the vile wretched man said about Hillary, was the only wrong!

The idiot Pfleger would fit right in at the church of Satan!

spit!

an 86 yr old Jewish man goes to father pfleger for confession.

"father, I have sinned. I was working in my tailor shop and in walks this hot young goil. She had a body on her that would make a man cry. Big breasts. we made love for 5 hours. all over the shop. mad passionate love. I drove her wild with ecstacy"

"But sir, you're Jewish. Why are you telling me this" ?

"Telling you, I'm telling everybody"

re: #40 Merovign

You might want to do 30 seconds of research before you ask such a question.

Here's a hint: Farrakhan.

Ah, that's right -- my bad. I'd forgotten that super moron. The grandfather of all pseudo-religious scam artists.

Pfleger should be demoted, no question.

re: #72 Shug

an 86 yr old Jewish man goes to father pfleger for confession.

"father, I have sinned. I was working in my tailor shop and in walks this hot young goil. She had a body on her that would make a man cry. Big breasts. we made love for 5 hours. all over the shop. mad passionate love. I drove her wild with ecstacy"

"But sir, you're Jewish. Why are you telling me this" ?

"Telling you, I'm telling everybody"

Heh.

re: #69 DesertSage

Why'd he go into the black to say all those bad things about Hillary?

PIMF - That would be black "church"

Pfleger had said Clinton believed she was entitled to the Democratic nomination because she is white.

They never give it to you straight, do they? They always have to sanitize it.

re: #67 godfrey

I love Pope Benedict, but the fact remains that Church has been enfeebled by by quasi-socialist nutbars who deal in labeling people and groups as hateful for simply not agreeing with them. Look at what happened in S.F. recently.

re: #14 Cognito

A suspension of any length is a joke.

Something smells rotten in the Catholic church.

that's just bad inner city incense..

Looks like it time to revoke the Non-Profit status from the Catholic church.

re: #46 coquimbojoe

Nice work!

Keep tossing them to me and I'll continue to swing for the fences. ;)

Cliffster has a good take also.

re: #66 Cognito

I'm not saying he's a big fan of Jewish folk. I just haven't heard anything for or against, among his many -- many -- moronic statements.

Actually I'm with Cog here. I'm sure there's something. But, before we just say he's anti-jew it would be better if we had a quote or two. Otherwise we sound like the damn Kossacks.

Okay, so the Father ended up with the Church's version of double secret probation, which meant that he was back in business in a few days.

That's on the Church.

Whether he has any parishioners is up to his congregants. Those parishioners can go elsewhere for religious guidance. They could vote with their feet if they so choose. Do they still want to associate with him, or not. I think that's the more profound question, and more profound answer frankly.

If they decide to stick with him, despite all of his racist rantings and ravings, it says more about them than about Pfleger.

Better Priests :

Georges Lemaitre

Casimir Zeglen

Gregor Mendel

And the Catholic Church nails one more nail in its own coffin.

re: #78 patrickafir

Yes, it is enfeebled by asshats. It's a very, very large tent. It's not perfect, nor can be.

Something smells rotten in the Catholic church.

?

re: #80 cliffster

Yes, because of some nutter priest in southside Chicago. Sage advice.

Ah, yes. One more feather in the crown of the Catholic Church.

/ex-altar boy, and I have the bad knees to prove it

re: #73 Cognito

Ah, that's right -- my bad. I'd forgotten that super moron. The grandfather of all pseudo-religious scam artists.

Right, but the lefties will pull their "guilt by association" crap. We've got to have our ducks in a row.

wait, is the Cardinal of Chicago named Kilgore Trout?

re: #69 DesertSage

Why'd he go into the black to say all those bad things about Hillary?

More like blackface, if you ask me.

re: #86 godfrey

It just makes me sad to see how insecure and tremulous Christianity appears to be growing as Islam remains fiercely confident and aggressive.

re: #67 godfrey

Yes, that Pope Benedict, what an obtuse, equivocating lightweight.

You may agree with Benedict, as conservatives usually do, or you may hate him, as the Catholic left does. But one thing no one can say is that he is obtuse, much less a "lightweight."

re: #83 lawhawk

If they decide to stick with him, despite all of his racist rantings and ravings, it says more about them than about Pfleger.

Agreed.

re: #82 Mars Needs Neocons

Actually I'm with Cog here. I'm sure there's something. But, before we just say he's anti-jew it would be better if we had a quote or two. Otherwise we sound like the damn Kossacks.

Actually, as I recall now thanks to my friend Merovign, Pfleger hosted Louis Farrakhan a couple of times at his church.

That's an anti-Semitic stain that doesn't wash off easily.

re: #95 wolfie

sarc?

re: #92 Shug

wait, is the Cardinal of Chicago named Kilgore Trout?

Killgore would have deported him.

re: #85 kevinmumaw

Please, rehearse the statistics of RC growth, worldwide, for us.

re: #72 Shug

LOL! Thx Shug.

re: #90 taxfreekiller

The Chicago mob has better discipline than the Catholic Church.

And infinitely more mercy.

re: #95 wolfie

He was just being facetious.

re: #65 patrickafir

Yep.

Weird how the two can seem so much alike.

Jonah's Book is a great read. I just wish it wasn't so timely and relevant to our present lives.

re: #102 godfrey

And infinitely more mercy.

Yup
[Link: upload.wikimedia.org...]

re: #97 Cognito

Actually, as I recall now thanks to my friend Merovign, Pfleger hosted Louis Farrakhan a couple of times at his church.

That's an anti-Semitic stain that doesn't wash off easily.

Ok, since he hosted him and wasn't just speaking at the same place I think we're good.

Everyone feel free to continue. LOL

re: #104 Syrah

You know, it's one thing that's giving me HOPE (pun intended here) in the face of Barackomania. It's a reminder that we've been down this road before and survived. Times have changed, though, of course.

re: #99 republic

The Church of Trout would be whole different affair. I'd start with the Dicie Cup of crappy wine and single cracker. Portion control is important but that's ridiculous.

Why does any church that preaches one way or the other about any particular candidate continue to have tax exempt status?

Pfleger pulled off a campaign commercial from the pulpit for Obama, why do they still get to be tax exempt?

re: #94 patrickafir

Then write letters in support of those who do speak out, and support those who support those who speak truth. For example, look at this site: Catholic Culture. Look under the navigation bar. See that book? Here's how their review of it begins:

It isn’t fashionable to say so, but an important element within Islam is radically committed to the complete destruction of non-Islamic societies, the “Christian” West in general, and the United States (“Satan”) in particular. It is time to think seriously about our civilization, what values it enshrines (or ought to enshrine), and why it is worth defending.

Stop the hand-wringing.

Sigh. Everybody, from the Chicago diocese to Trinity United to the MSM, seem to think this can be quickly forgotten and buried.

They still don't get it. The racial antagonism and black supremacy preached from the pulpit of Trinity and St. Sabina is not simply an unfortunate quirk in an otherwise good creed, its an abomination against everything this nation has been reaching for since the time of MLK and the civil rights era.

This is not like a membership is some sort of restricted golf club, this is the black version of the Christian Identity movement, with marxism standing in for national socialism as their earthly organizing principle.

Obama's two decade association with Trinity is a deal breaker with people of good conscience; an ugly fact that betrays all of pretty words of healing and coming together.

I don't see how Obama can ever claim to be a candidate for all when he chose to believe that some are more godly than others, by pigment, not deed or character.

re: #109 republic

Pfleger pulled off a campaign commercial from the pulpit for Obama, why do they still get to be tax exempt?

Tax exempt churches are a scam. Don't even get me started.

re: #94 patrickafir

It just makes me sad to see how insecure and tremulous Christianity appears to be growing as Islam remains fiercely confident and aggressive.

Christians aren't growing insecure or tremulous, they just aren't loud-mouthed and obnoxious like their secular friends.

“Let this time be a teaching moment for us to hear the Lord, to grow closer to him and become even stronger to build a kingdom on Earth as it is in heaven,” Pfleger wrote.

When St. Peter asks me why I deserve to be let into Heaven, I can't wait to tell him, "because I'm white". I mean, I've gotten everything else in life because of it.

/need I?

re: #109 republic

He is not permitted to name any candidate's name, nor is any priest.

The church should ship his collared behind to some place where he can exercise his own self-hating in a positive way. Any indication that the Archdiocese of Tehran is hiring?

re: #110 godfrey

I'm not really hand-wringing; just chatting with folks on LGF and letting off a little steam.

re: #98 Shug

sarc?

ABSOLUTELY NOT.

The Obamassiah is bringing 'em out of the woodwork - of course, it's his woodwork.

re: #112 Killgore Trout

Tax exempt churches are a scam. Don't even get me started.

Start...I would love to hear this.

re: #12 buddyg

I'm a practicing Catholic and believe in God. Priests like Pfleger are embarrassing. He is indeed a disgrace to the Church.

As a practising Catholic, stories like this are very hard for me to swallow.

If the Chicago diocese refuses to denounce such hateful rhetoric from a shepherd, let it be said the thousands of petitioners for his removal do not. I for one signed.

re: #73 Cognito

Ah, that's right -- my bad. I'd forgotten that super moron. The grandfather of all pseudo-religious scam artists.

No foul, just a pet peeve of mine - this one was REALLY easy to research.

(And it wasn't just hosting, not only did he defend Farrakhan's bigotry, he was rather rude to the Jews who pointed out what an ass "Calypso Louie" was being...)

re: #113 cliffster

I hope so.

re: #112 Killgore Trout

Tax exempt churches are a scam. Don't even get me started.

My pastor specificly tells us all, that he can't encourage any of us to vote for anybody, and he means it, and his actions are the same.

re: #66 Cognito

I'm not saying he's a big fan of Jewish folk. I just haven't heard anything for or against, among his many -- many -- moronic statements.

Well, golly gee!

Maybe I judged the man wrong and without all of the facts before me.

Thanks for enlightening me Cog! I stand corrected and retract my earlier statement.

/Wright, Farrakhan, Plfedger

re: #112 Killgore Trout

Any questions of principle aside, all those social services, you would rather see handled by paid government bureaucrats?

This is what happens when social activism and religion get mixed up to this high of a degree. I don't think you can tease them totally apart in the Catholic Church. My complaint is that Fr. Pfleger has become a rock star in his church which is not HIS CHURCH therefore it is time for him to be moved.

re: #108 Killgore Trout

The Church of Trout would be whole different affair. I'd start with the Dicie Cup of crappy wine and single cracker. Portion control is important but that's ridiculous.

In my church at Communion they'd serve a tiny glass of grape juice and an unleavened biscuit about half the size of a small postage stamp.

Cheap Methodist bastids!

Everything is nuts. Father Pfleger is and has been a huge embarrassment for many years. Cardinal George should be ashamed of himself. Obama is part of the most corrupt politics in the country, chicago Daley politics. scream loud enough and you get what you want, whether it's morally right or not. If Obama is our next pres, I am just going to wake up in the morning, go to work, go home, go to bed for 4 years. No tv, no radio, no newspaper. I don't want to even think about what this country is going to go through.

re: #123 ploome hineni

I have a virus

on this computer

oops!

re: #119 wolfie

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

re: #119 wolfie

ABSOLUTELY NOT.

not you, him

Well at least this "outrage" doesn't involve the Catholic hierarchy abetting serial pedophiles.

re: #132 joecitizen

oops!

Trend Micro Systems should be your friend...

re: #123 ploome hineni

I have a virus

on this computer

Thank you for not sharing.

Or was that a cry for help?

"...build a kingdom on Earth as it is in heaven,"

Sister Belinda Carlisle, riigght?

re: #108 Killgore Trout

The Church of Trout would be whole different affair. I'd start with the Dicie Cup of crappy wine and single cracker. Portion control is important but that's ridiculous.

A bottle and a loaf for all. Skoald!

re: #123 ploome hineni

I have a virus

on this computer

I had to reboot just a while ago, and I'm scanning to see why there's a huge memory jump in my processes.

re: #117 ploome hineni

The whole Eucharist as a ritual meal is for cheap skates. The Church of Trout would have a buffet; Wine, bread, fish, etc. Have a meal and listen to some wisdom.

re: #103 patrickafir

He was just being facetious.

I didn't see a sarc tag, so I thought he was just being kind of ignorant.
That is, I figured he didn't actually know anything about Ratzinger/Benedict.
Sorry if I misread him.

Father Pflemger really doesn't help the Church's image- as if they need the help in looking bad. I'm just thankful the Catholic church I attend at times has a wise and kind priest at the helm. I'm not Catholic, but I really enjoy the father's sermons- he's helped me a lot, so I keep going to his church when I feel the need. But of course- if my church were full of raving nutters, I wouldn't attend it.

re: #126 republic

My pastor specificly tells us all, that he can't encourage any of us to vote for anybody, and he means it, and his actions are the same.

Yep. Been going to church (Protestant mainline, now Catholic) all my life and the only time I hear a politican's name is when we are praying that all public servants have wisdom, mercy and courage.

Are there violators? Sure. Are most? Uh-uh.

re: #142 Killgore Trout

But first, pay the tax.

re: #113 cliffster

Christians aren't growing insecure or tremulous, they just aren't loud-mouthed and obnoxious like their secular friends.

We also don't lop the heads off of "infidels", bomb buildings, threaten people with terror, etc, etc, etc.

We preach Christ, and Him Crucified, period, take it, or leave it.

We treat people the same(with Love), whether they accept Christ or not.

re: #143 wolfie

Probably not a big deal!

re: #140 Mars Needs Neocons

A bottle and a loaf for all. Skoald!

That's what I'm talking about!

re: #150 Killgore Trout

Killgore, you clearly have never been to the "parish hall" on lasagna day.

re: #102 godfrey

And infinitely more mercy.

The mob has more mercy than the Church? sarc?

I would say that I think the Church shows too much mercy today, except for the fact that meekness and mercy are not the same thing.

re: #82 Mars Needs Neocons

Actually I'm with Cog here. I'm sure there's something. But, before we just say he's anti-jew it would be better if we had a quote or two. Otherwise we sound like the damn Kossacks.

Good point. Also, I'm not prepared to say the sun will rise tomorrow...

until, and unless it does.

re: #115 godfrey

He is not permitted to name any candidate's name, nor is any priest.

Pfleger and Wright both gave campaign commercials specificly calling on Obama from their "pulpits".

re: #148 republic

We also don't lop the heads off of "infidels", bomb buildings, threaten people with terror, etc, etc, etc.

Salmon Rushdie wrote a book and the Ayatollah issued a death sentence fatwa.

Mehmet Ali Agca shot the Pope who later forgave him.

re: #123 ploome hineni

I have a virus

on this computer

Obama will fix it. He will fix everything.

As a Roman Catholic father who loves his church, this makes me sick...it really does.

This man and his wanton advocacy of an inferior politician is an embarrassment to the Church.

re: #152 wolfie

Well put. I think the Cardinal should've found a much more forceful way to deal with Pfleger and his views. He could've gone down to the parish himself and preached a succession of Sundays to make their heads spin, and of course demoted Pfleger to some non-preaching position.

re: #121 brainwizard73

Churches could easily run as non-profit organizations if they wanted to. The rules now allow them to fleece their flock with no accountability, no oversight and no taxes. If they want to fly Lear jets and have mansions they can pay the same taxes as Bill Gates and Brad Pitt.

re: #154 republic

And they contravened Church policy in doing so. The Cardinal called him on it.

re: #109 republic

Why does any church that preaches one way or the other about any particular candidate continue to have tax exempt status?

Pfleger pulled off a campaign commercial from the pulpit for Obama, why do they still get to be tax exempt?

Question ask, question answered.

That 'law' applies to the evile religious right, in practice.

re: #155 buddyg

And Agca later converted.

re: #116 brainwizard73

The church should ship his collared behind to some place where he can exercise his own self-hating in a positive way. Any indication that the Archdiocese of Tehran is hiring?

Now THAT'S a great idea !

re: #160 ploome hineni

aaaaaaaaaaaarghhhhhh

Well, I have to go to bed 'cause I have school in the morning. Hope you all have a nice night!

re: #142 Killgore Trout

The whole Eucharist as a ritual meal is for cheap skates. The Church of Trout would have a buffet; Wine, bread, fish, etc. Have a meal and listen to some wisdom.

After reading about some of the meals you prepare, I would be there so long as you were doing the cooking.

/and the only church that I've attended in many years is what some folks call "Texas church".

re: #166 ploome hineni

/if you serve lox and bagels

I guess I will show up

Bread and Fish? No problem. Cream cheese and capers may cost extra. I haven't worked out the details yet.

re: #168 patrickafir

Night, patrick!

re: #153 AmeriDan

Good point. Also, I'm not prepared to say the sun will rise tomorrow...

until, and unless it does.

Oh I know the quote is there, we just have to find it. And like has already been mentioned, the people that he has invited and sponsored damned him already.

re: #165 wolfie

The "Archdiocese of Teheran"... it has a beautiful ring, like many fantasies.

re: #161 Killgore Trout

Churches could easily run as non-profit organizations if they wanted to. The rules now allow them to fleece their flock with no accountability, no oversight and no taxes. If they want to fly Lear jets and have mansions they can pay the same taxes as Bill Gates and Brad Pitt.

I suspect we are talking about a tiny minority of churches that behave this way. Most churches would see that type of behavior as a deviation from the Gospel, which it likely is. A vast majority of churches do what they should; preach the gospel, help build communities, help those in need, and tend to the spiritual needs of the members.

I think we can agree that when Benny Hinn or someone like that makes seven figures, that is out of control, but don't toss all churches under the bus.

I'd like to stay, but I've got to sleep. Goodnight, lizards.

re: #159 godfrey

Well put. I think the Cardinal should've found a much more forceful way to deal with Pfleger and his views. He could've gone down to the parish himself and preached a succession of Sundays to make their heads spin, and of course demoted Pfleger to some non-preaching position.

From what I understand he shouldn't be there anymore anyway. Hasn't he passed the amount of time usually in a single parish? I think we have a cult of personality issue here. (Don't really know for sure, not Catholic)

re: #14 Cognito

A suspension of any length is a joke.

Something smells rotten in the Catholic church.

Agreed

re: #165 wolfie

Now THAT'S a great idea !

I bet if the church sent him there ol' Sparky the poodle would actually let him in the country.

Looks like the thread is turning into another Catholic bashing party.....

I thought the Episcopals had the monopoly on this stuff...

re: #160 ploome hineni

Sept-12-2006 University of Regensburg, Germany
Pope Benedict during a lecture quoted the following passage :

"Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached"

You tell 'em Pope Benedict !

re: #176 Mars Needs Neocons

From what I understand he shouldn't be there anymore anyway. Hasn't he passed the amount of time usually in a single parish? I think we have a cult of personality issue here. (Don't really know for sure, not Catholic)

The church does have a policy (unwritten?) about moving priests to avoid the kind of "my church/parish" mentality that causes problems...next stop? Sri Lanka...pack your sunscreen Mikey.

re: #179 Maximu�

Looks like the thread is turning into another Catholic bashing party.....

Not all of us! I still attend and I'm raising my children in the faith.

re: #99 republic

Killgore would have deported him.

Kilgore Cardinal Trout.

re: #159 godfrey

Well put. I think the Cardinal should've found a much more forceful way to deal with Pfleger and his views. He could've gone down to the parish himself and preached a succession of Sundays to make their heads spin, and of course demoted Pfleger to some non-preaching position.

Absolutely !

re: #136 Dirk Diggler

Well at least this "outrage" doesn't involve the Catholic hierarchy abetting serial pedophiles.

Hey, isn't that kind of unnecessary?

re: #183 buddyg

Not all of us! I still attend and I'm raising my children in the faith.

Then we're brothers under the skin.

re: #187 Maximu§

I'm worried about the world and where it's all going.
Let's say a prayer for our childrens' future.

re: #170 Killgore Trout

Bread and Fish? No problem. Cream cheese and capers may cost extra. I haven't worked out the details yet.

Yeah, well I don't care how good your church is when you first set it up. Sooner or later it'll be infiltrated by leftists serving nothing but arugula and waffles.

re: #174 brainwizard73

I think we can agree that when Benny Hinn or someone like that makes seven figures, that is out of control, but don't toss all churches under the bus

Yes Benny Hinn is abusing the system (although I do love the guy) but the Mormons and the Catholics (and others) make an enormous amount money tax free. If they want to serve humanity they can do it like any other non-profit of for profit corporation and pay their taxes and comply like the rest of us.

re: #179 Maximu�

Looks like the thread is turning into another Catholic bashing party.....

Catholic-bashing is the last refuge of the bigoted mindless Left. It is the only group you can savage with impunity. Nice MSM assist too.

That being said, as long as good Lizards stand and fight, there will be none of that foolishness here.

re: #189 wolfie

ha!

re: #96 Killgore Trout

Well, now that they have more or less destroyed the Catholic Church in the Boston area with all the butt-fucking priests, they have to work on a new angle. Again, what adults do behind closed doors is their own affair so long as the walk in of their own volition and walk out with a smile on their faces and it does not involve children or animals. But these guys in Boston involved children. Now we are going to play racism. I wonder how the Irish Catholic Crowd in South Boston feels about the way he was talking. Or any Catholic anyplace. The guy is a disgrace to the collar and should be defrocked. What he said was just plain unchristian and would not pass muster in a synagogue either. Perhaps he should convert to Islam and become an Imam. It might suit him better. He seems to have the mindset for it.

I am everyone's rank heretic, the Jesuits have the term for it known as "Invincible Ignorance", but that comes with reading the history of all the religions around as well as their writings. [I will admit that I have not read the Sri Guru Granth Sahib, however there is a copy in the "to read list" and I am fairly acquainted with the Sikh religion which I respect.] This guy is a narcissistic moonbat who lives for the reactions of the crowd and not for the service in the way of G-d.

re: #173 godfrey

The "Archdiocese of Teheran"... it has a beautiful ring, like many fantasies.

Hey, the guy wants to "speak truth to power", doesn't he?

re: #150 Killgore Trout

That's what I'm talking about!

"But if at church they would give some ale. And a pleasant fire our souls to regale.
We’d sing and we’d pray all the live long day, Nor ever once from the church to stray."

-William Blake

re: #190 Killgore Trout

Yes Benny Hinn is abusing the system (although I do love the guy) but the Mormons and the Catholics (and others) make an enormous amount money tax free. If they want to serve humanity they can do it like any other non-profit of for profit corporation and pay their taxes and comply like the rest of us.

Not sure about the Catholics, but something like 90% of the tithing the Mormon church collects goes to the food banks and aide organizations in the church. It's why there are so few Mormons on welfare. They get the aid they need from the church and move on get their life in order.

re: #88 godfrey

Yes, because of some nutter priest in southside Chicago. Sage advice.

Look I was being facetious - trying to point out that a guy who is representing the faith in such an elevated position is so careless with how he uses his power.

re: #195 mikalm

Damn, That's beautiful .

re: #190 Killgore Trout

Yes Benny Hinn is abusing the system (although I do love the guy) but the Mormons and the Catholics (and others) make an enormous amount money tax free. If they want to serve humanity they can do it like any other non-profit of for profit corporation and pay their taxes and comply like the rest of us.

Perhaps, and if the Catholic Church socked all that money away in Swiss bank accounts for the Popes wild coke orgies, that would be a major problem...but it doesn't.

[Mother in law slaps me in the back of the head for the imagry]

It spends a vast majority of that it takes in running its churches, its schools and universities, and all of the massive charity programs all over the world. I don't know of any priests that are getting rich. Perhaps there are, but again, there can't be many. Suspect it is the same way for Mormons.

I would rather have non-governmental charities trying to do good works than to turn all help in the world into a "Great Society" program. We all know how that turned out.

re: #196 Mars Needs Neocons

Then they should have no problem complying with the regulations of a non-profit organization like the Salvation Army.

Where in the bible does it say to pimp for politicians?

I'm outta here.....buddyg and brainwizard, don't waste your energy arguing with children. You end up pounding away at the keyboard for 2 hours and nothing is accomplished.

Cya around

Speaking of the "Rev's" favorite pol cum bobo:

This from an ABC story

Recent success in Iraq "would seem to hurt Obama, but it seems as though many Americans have a fixed opinion about this and are impervious to changing facts," said James E. Campbell, chairman of the political science department at the University of Buffalo.

What the HELL kind of fucked up world do we live in in which a Presidential candidate is "hurt" for American success in a combat zone?

WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE?!?!?

re: #200 Killgore Trout

Actually, both your idea and Mr. Blake's poetry evoke the Agape Feast of the early Christians, which was a whole different thing than the Eucharist, and sometimes involved wine or beer as well as food. Later Pietiest Protestant sects revived it, and you can still see the remnant today in what I call "ritual hunger," when congregations head out to share a big Sunday brunch immediately after services.

re: #122 vbspurs

As a practising Catholic, stories like this are very hard for me to swallow.

If the Chicago diocese refuses to denounce such hateful rhetoric from a shepherd, let it be said the thousands of petitioners for his removal do not. I for one signed.

I've signed it also, and I don't live anywhere near Chicago. But we do not need for our church to ignore irreligious and hateful behavior by priests, whether it is the sexual antics of certain priests or priests like this one.

I personally feel we should all be listed as non-profits and to hell with the tax system. It's been abused far too long by the govt and desperately needs a complete overhaul.

re: #202 Maximu�

Keep your horse idling...we may need reinforcements someday!

Take care.

re: #204 mikalm

Interesting, thanks. I think it's an idea in need of revival.

re: #203 brainwizard73

What the HELL kind of fucked up world do we live in in which a Presidential candidate is "hurt" for American success in a combat zone?

One where partisan politics trumps all other considerations, including national survival and human decency.

re: #196 Mars Needs Neocons

I however, would like to see better publication of their financials when they own and run a fair number of corporations.

G'nite Maximus & brainwizard73 !

Gotta work in the morning.

re: #204 mikalm

It's called a "pot-luck" and we all brought "hot-dish".

Clearly, you aren't from around here.

re: #208 Killgore Trout

No prob, KT. And thanks for being an open-minded and intelligent nonbeliever, rather than the kind of mindless, bigoted, perpetually-adolescent atheist that infests the Internet.

re: #209 mikalm

One where partisan politics trumps all other considerations, including national survival and human decency.

But he says he supports the troops! You mean it isn't true?

I am not prone to outbursts like that, but the sheer surrealness of the situation overwhelmed me. Thanks for the pick up.

re: #196 Mars Needs Neocons

Not sure about the Catholics, but something like 90% of the tithing the Mormon church collects goes to the food banks and aide organizations in the church. It's why there are so few Mormons on welfare. They get the aid they need from the church and move on get their life in order.

A percentage of my gifts to my church (Catholic) goes to a small, poor parish in Mexico. Another percentage goes to the Catholic Community Services and other Catholic charitable organizations in town, which provide a large number of services to the entire community, Catholic and non-Catholic alike. Another percentage goes to the diocese. Another percentage goes to the school attached to my church, to keep the tuition cost as low as possible, etc., etc. The money gets spread around and much of it ultimately is spent on the needy, here and elsewhere.

re: #213 mikalm

No prob, KT. And thanks for being an open-minded and intelligent nonbeliever, rather than the kind of mindless, bigoted, perpetually-adolescent atheist that infests the Internet.

heh..

re: #161 Killgore Trout

I'm treasurer of my church... please explain to me where to get the free lear jet & the mansion.

I could use them to raise funds for the Hispanic Church we help sponsor in Santa Maria, for the slaves we buy out of bondage in Darfur, and for a few college kids that think they might want to be pastors, among other needs.

re: #217 slokat

I could use them to raise funds for the Hispanic Church we help sponsor in Santa Maria, for the slaves we buy out of bondage in Darfur, and for a few college kids that think they might want to be pastors, among other needs.

Moonbat Perry Farrell has partnered with christian organizations to secure the freedom of slaves in Africa.

Say what you want about moonbats and/or organized religion, but when they do things like that they get my respect.

re: #217 slokat

Depends on whicht church you're a member of. IIRC, The catholic church is in the lead with the Mormons close behind. Anyone have a link of the net worth of various churches?

re: #219 Killgore Trout

PIMF: Anyone have a reliable link of the net worth of various churches?

This guy is so empressed with his very limited acting abilities. He seems to love to listen to his own voice. When you watch his body language when he is giving one of these performances he is just beside himself with happiness that he is the center of attention. Where else could he put on these one man shows.

I wonder what his next creation will be. I would bet he has something in mind.

re: #16 godfrey

Hmm.

The cult of personality is alive and well in my Catholic Church.

Sad.

However, methinks the good Cardinal is allowing him another yard or 2 of rope.

Anyone coming to my vows?

re: #219 Killgore Trout

You might be able to find that on any given Church website. That is not particularly private info. Most churches (at least the Catholic ones) run a pretty tight budget and rely on capital campaigns for the big builds and such.

re: #199 brainwizard73

Yes, the idea that the Church is making money in order to profit for some secret reason is amusing to say the least. Quietly, Catholic Relief Services are one of the first groups in any disaster area or famine stricken region.

The godless Communists are almost as generous. As the continued attack on people of faith continues, the alternative should be always kept in mind. If you want to tax churches (and believe me, I understand this idea) be ready to pick up the pieces.

brainwizard73,

Well at least this "outrage" doesn't involve the Catholic hierarchy abetting serial pedophiles.

Hey, isn't that kind of unnecessary?

No. As far as outrageous conduct involving the Catholic hierarchy, this incident is remarkably tame.

Just want to chime in on the charity/tax aspect of the churches.

My mission organization has to seperate budgets for evangelization and aid work. This is because they get government aid money channeled through the aid work. So if preaching was taxed like a business, it would still not upset the non-religious humanitarian side of it.

(As an illustration, the hospitals they run which are in heavily Muslim areas are of course filled with Muslim patients and their families praying in the courtyard while they wait for their doctors' appointments.)

i am a catholic and priests like pfleger and cardinals like george, mahony, etc. irritate me to no end. i have about had it with the liberals that have infested the catholic church in the united states.

I'm beginning to wonder if Barack Embalma knows any decent people. It seems like everyone in his corner is either an afro-racist, a communist, a terrorist sympathizer, or just crazy as bat shit.

For the first time in my life, I'm proud not to be Catholic.

you all, do some research on liberation theology, a movement within the catholic church that became popular in the late 1960s following vatican ii. it is christian socialism/marxism, and as a traditional conservative catholic i consider it the root of most of the lingering problems in the catholic church. it aligns with jeremiah wright's black liberation theology. pfleger was ordained in the 1975, when liberation theology was at its strongest. i am not surprised by his behavior, nor george's way of dealing with it.

I'm late to this thread but wanted to weigh in. I'm a Catholic (I converted in 1987) and this kind of thing makes me nuts. There are serious problems within the Catholic Church that have made me question why I stay. I've raised my kids in the faith but I've told both of them that they can make up their minds as to which denomination they want to belong to. I'm not going to tell them that they have to remain Catholic. My hubby is a cradle to grave Catholic and he gets upset whenever I tell him I'm thinking of joining a non-denominational church but to me my first duty is to Christ not the church. Father Phlegm is a disgrace to the church. He exemplifies some of the worst elements I've discovered in the church. He's a moonbat leftist and there are waaaay too many of them in the Catholic Church for my liking. He should be excommunicated and if the church had any cojones that's what they would do. It's another tick on the con side for me and the pro side is shrinking daily.

redheadedstate, don't be so fast to forsake your church. I'm a Baptist and God knows, there are plenty of Baptists 'way out there on the fringe. I was raised a Presbyterian and you know there are moonbats throughout. All I'm saying is, if you're reasonably happy in your own congregation and the rest of your family is, just work within the church to make your voice heard and to make your own church as great as it can be. Will somebody come help me down from this soapbox?

redheadedstate, maybe some bishops aren't doing their jobs, but the current Pope is forcing some resignations, accepting others and putting in better candidates, from what I've seen.

Thanks to # 233 and #232. I hear what you're saying and I'm trying to hang in there with the Catholic Church. I think part of the problem began in the 70's with a huge influx of left leaning priests. At my former church the priest was suspended because he was caught looking at child porn on his computer. They let him off on a technicality but it left a bad taste in my mouth. My son was an alter server at the time the priest was at the church and he told me years later that this priest said some inappropriate things to him. Part of my problem with the church stems from that incident and partly from how the church reacts to nutjob priests like this Father Pfleger. It's not a very good Christian witness and I'm a Christian first, Catholic second.