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Wednesday Early Morning Open

Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 3:12:09 am PDT

The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind.

— William Blake

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1 laZardo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:14:06am

Does this mean LGF's habitat is standing water?

2 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:15:13am

re: #1 laZardo

Nope, but it might explain dailyKos and such like.

/I think the quote would work better using pond scum.

3 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:15:52am

re: #1 laZardo

Does this mean LGF's habitat is standing water?

No- we're reptiles of the interweb.

4 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:16:05am

how will the upcoming threads help the children of the ongoing lizard baby boom?

5 laZardo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:16:35am

re: #2 BlueCanuck

re: #3 Sharmuta

Points made.

6 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:16:51am

re: #1 laZardo

Does this mean LGF's habitat is standing water?

We alter our opinions all the time :) Just not about Obama. And a few other things.

7 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:17:38am

re: #4 redc1c4

how will the upcoming threads help the children of the ongoing lizard baby boom?

More to the point, what things will they include that simply must not be discussed because of Barrack Hussein Obama's children?

8 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:18:43am

re: #4 redc1c4

how will the upcoming threads help the children of the ongoing lizard baby boom?

I have never in my adult life been proud to be a Lizard until that comment.

9 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:20:18am

re: #1 laZardo

Does this mean LGF's habitat is standing water?

I'd also like to point out that standing water is stagnant- that's far from LGF.

10 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:20:28am

re: #7 galloping granny

More to the point, what things will they include that simply must not be discussed because of Barrack Hussein Obama's children?

i'm more concerned with your triplets...... and how we're going to w*rk them into the story line.

/damn writers strike

11 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:21:54am

re: #10 redc1c4

i'm more concerned with your triplets...... and how we're going to w*rk them into the story line.

/damn writers strike

Triplets? I thought they were Quads?

/flexible plotlines.

12 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:22:35am

re: #10 redc1c4

i'm more concerned with your triplets...... and how we're going to w*rk them into the story line.

/damn writers strike

ROFL!

13 freetoken  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:23:01am

Lots of interesting quotes attributed to William Blake. One to ponder, especially while eating your waffles, is:

Every harlot was a virgin once.

14 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:24:00am

re: #13 freetoken

Lots of interesting quotes attributed to William Blake. One to ponder, especially while eating your waffles, is:

every Blake was a black magician once.
And an idiot.

15 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:25:37am

re: #13 freetoken

Your icon is great! lol
Superbama!

16 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:25:40am

Good morning, LGF!

17 littleoldlady  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:25:46am
Every harlot was a virgin once.

Do I hear quintuplets?

/going once....going twice...

18 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:26:24am

re: #10 redc1c4

i'm more concerned with your triplets...... and how we're going to w*rk them into the story line.

/damn writers strike

I refuse to have triplets unless I get a nanny for each of them

19 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:26:39am

re: #17 littleoldlady

Do I hear quintuplets?

/going once....going twice...

Hahahahaha.

/Can't count pass five.
Fortunately!

20 freetoken  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:27:07am

re: #15 MigueldowninMexico

Hey, you noticed.

21 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:27:10am

re: #17 littleoldlady

Do I hear quintuplets?

/going once....going twice...

Hahahaha
Christy's!

22 gibsonz  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:27:20am

So this is what the early morning thread looks like...good morning all.

23 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:27:29am

re: #9 Sharmuta

I'd also like to point out that standing water is stagnant- that's far from LGF.

yup: i've never seen any skeeters here, but we can sure keep up the skeer.

24 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:28:13am

re: #17 littleoldlady

Do I hear quintuplets?

/going once....going twice...

going for broke?

25 littleoldlady  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:28:26am

re: #22 gibsonz

You just happened to hit on a good unusual day! ;-)

gibsonz! :-)

26 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:28:55am

re: #18 galloping granny

I refuse to have triplets unless I get a nanny for each of them

would they have to be galloping nannys?

27 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:29:00am

re: #20 freetoken

Hey, you noticed.

It's the new wave
For a 60 year old, feels like deja vu.

The Age of Obamaurus is here!
Crystal Blue Persuasion and the Moon is in the 7th house and all the bi BS reloaded.

Brace yourselves from here to Nov.

28 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:29:22am

re: #18 galloping granny

I refuse to have triplets unless I get a nanny for each of them

You're smart! LOL

29 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:29:23am

re: #9 Sharmuta

I'd also like to point out that standing water is stagnant- that's far from LGF.

Anyway, "lizards" is just what the natives called us. The truth is far stranger.

30 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:29:28am

re: #25 littleoldlady

We call it the silly hour where I come from.

/sometimes lasts longer then that.

31 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:29:48am

re: #22 gibsonz

So this is what the early morning thread looks like...good morning all.

Hey gibsonz. Welcome to the morning after.

32 littleoldlady  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:30:28am

It takes a Dead thread to raise a village...

/tips coffee cup & hat to Hillary

33 gibsonz  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:30:30am

re: #25 littleoldlady

Wonder what`s gonna fall out of Obama`s closet today and wind up under the bus.

34 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:30:38am

re: #25 littleoldlady

You just happened to hit on a good unusual day! ;-)

gibsonz! :-)

yup: the fruit cup was evidently contaminated with a powerful fertility drug, and the subsequent pregnancies are causing some confusion....

/blame LoL

35 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:31:39am

re: #27 MigueldowninMexico

The Age of Obamaurus is here!
Crystal Blue Persuasion and the Moon is in the 7th house and all the bi BS reloaded.

Hey! How can you do a astrological chart on The Obama?
(You've got his birth certificate, haven't you?)

36 littleoldlady  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:31:57am

re: #34 redc1c4

"Go ahead. Blame the Jew."

© MeanNastyTeenager

37 gibsonz  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:33:02am

re: #31 AmeriDan

Hey gibsonz. Welcome to the morning after.
-------
Thank you!

38 laZardo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:33:24am

Time to head home from internship. z_z

In the meantime, have a Little Green Footballer.

/bbl today, hopefully.

39 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:33:36am

re: #31 AmeriDan

Hey gibsonz. Welcome to the morning after.

one tin soldier rides away......

40 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:33:47am

re: #32 littleoldlady

It takes a Dead thread to raise a village...

/tips coffee cup & hat to Hillary

Hey, they new trend is; "It takes a commune to raise a child"

41 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:34:08am

re: #33 gibsonz

Wonder what`s gonna fall out of Obama`s closet today and wind up under the bus.

He's starting to need a really BIG bus. Do they come in 18-wheeler versions?

42 freetoken  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:35:02am

re: #27 MigueldowninMexico

It's the new wave
For a 60 year old, feels like deja vu.

The Age of Obamaurus is here!

43 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:35:10am

re: #35 Dar ul Harb

Hey! How can you do a astrological chart on The Obama?
(You've got his birth certificate, haven't you?)

The astrologers are all having fits because they cannot do an astrological chart because they don't know what time he was born.

/And then there is the question of where. . . . .

44 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:35:34am

re: #42 freetoken

That's exactly it! Reloaded.

45 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:35:53am

re: #41 galloping granny

He's starting to need a really BIG bus. Do they come in 18-wheeler versions?

Hahaha. That's right!

46 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:35:58am

re: #36 littleoldlady

"Go ahead. Blame the Jew."

© MeanNastyTeenager

i read a novel one time where a main character wore the Star, even though he was goyim.... when asked why, he told the other character (more or less) "we're all Jewish, it's just that most of our parents figured we had enough problems without telling us that too."

/blame it on the bosa nova

47 gibsonz  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:36:19am

re: #41 galloping granny

He's starting to need a really BIG bus. Do they come in 18-wheeler versions?
--------
He is going to have to call Ray Nagin,he has plenty of unused busses.

48 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:36:44am

re: #41 galloping granny

Nope, I think he has one ordered special for his campaign.

/with keelhauling winches as a special upgrade.

49 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:37:49am

re: #47 gibsonz

He's starting to need a really BIG bus. Do they come in 18-wheeler versions?
--------
He is going to have to call Ray Nagin,he has plenty of unused busses.

Good idea!

The chocolate buses!
Throw dead weight under them.

50 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:38:05am

re: #32 littleoldlady

It takes a Dead thread to raise a village...

/tips coffee cup & hat to Hillary

did someone say "Dead Thread"?

51 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:38:41am

re: #48 BlueCanuck

Nope, I think he has one ordered special for his campaign.

/with keelhauling wenches as a special upgrade.

/Clinton version

52 littleoldlady  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:39:30am
53 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:39:46am

Talking about LA.

McCain/Jindal 08!

54 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:39:56am

re: #51 redc1c4

Well it depends on which Clinton is driving.

/I don't think slick willy would be doing any keel hauling.
//would be doing a different kinda hauling.

55 gibsonz  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:40:21am

And here it is...my 500th post...about as informative as the other 499!

56 littleoldlady  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:40:22am

Did someone say CHOCOLATE?!

57 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:41:24am

Just found this over at HotAir (sometimes I wonder if he supports Obama) -

Presumably, the schools that Obama attended in Hawaii and later in the US would have seen his birth certificate during the enrollment process,

Nope, I bet they would not have done. I transferred schools a lot as a kid, mine have all been to several and the only thing the new school ever asks for or gets is a copy of the previous school records. Had to produce a birth certificate only for kindergarten. For that matter, we didn't have my granddaughter's handy for kindergarten and the school took our notarized statement re her birthday.

58 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:41:35am

re: #47 gibsonz

He's starting to need a really BIG bus. Do they come in 18-wheeler versions?
--------
He is going to have to call Ray Nagin,he has plenty of unused busses.

i was thinking he might need to get the folks that made Bigfoot to make his campaign bus.

59 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:41:51am

re: #56 littleoldlady

Did someone say CHOCOLATE?!

Hahahaha!
Me.

What a song LoL, bringing me back in time!

60 littleoldlady  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:42:20am

re: #59 MigueldowninMexico

/drooling!

THANKS! :-)

61 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:42:28am
62 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:42:41am
63 freetoken  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:43:01am

re: #52 littleoldlady

The irony of course with that song is that the rhythm is hardly bossa nova... Nevertheless, Eydie had such as beautiful voice - I like many of her later recordings.

64 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:43:19am

re: #52 littleoldlady

I didn't realize you were that OLD!

i'm not..... besides: i'm immature for my age.

/parts of me, however, are ancient. %-)

65 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:43:25am

re: #60 littleoldlady

/drooling!

THANKS! :-)

Sure! ;)

66 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:43:54am

re: #41 galloping granny

He's starting to need a really BIG bus. Do they come in 18-wheeler versions?

Will this help?

67 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:46:01am

re: #66 Dar ul Harb

Will this help?

And wait. He's picking Ron Paul as VP...

68 vbspurs  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:46:57am
reptiles of the mind

I bet Bear Grylls would eat it.

69 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:47:05am
70 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:47:17am

re: #41 galloping granny

He's starting to need a really BIG bus. Do they come in 18-wheeler versions?

Well, here you go!

Problem solved!

71 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:47:34am

Paulian, Obamanians, Pelosis, Clintonians,
They're all waiting for a sign ($) that goes with their own sign ($) of the Zoodiac (politics.

72 littleoldlady  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:47:43am

re: #63 freetoken

You're old, too?

73 vbspurs  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:49:11am

re: #13 freetoken

Every harlot was a virgin once.

Once is all it takes.

74 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:51:03am

re: #70 Dar ul Harb

Well, here you go!

Problem solved!

I think I found his bus. ;)

/just remembered watching this movie on late night cable.

75 rightside  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:51:03am

Morning Lizards!

76 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:51:46am

I'm on the brink of bailing out.

In 10 minutes my train leaves the station.
I plan to be under it.

77 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:52:13am

re: #70 Dar ul Harb

Well, here you go!

Problem solved!

That might do - for now.

78 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:52:18am

re: #75 rightside

Morning Lizards!

Good morning, rightside!

79 freetoken  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:52:27am

re: #72 littleoldlady

Ah... such a classic tune... but no, I don't date from the era of the gramophone!

80 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:52:33am

re: #75 rightside

Morning Lizards!

You're late rightside!

81 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:53:22am

re: #73 vbspurs

Once is all it takes.

Unless you visit Mexico. I hear that hopping over the border to have your virginity restored has become all the rage. And vital if you're muslim.

82 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:53:28am

re: #75 rightside

Morning rightside. Starting the caffination process?

83 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:53:58am

Two questions for English speakers.
I thanks answers in advance.
1.- The plural of life is "lives" or lifes"?

"In the brink" or "on the brink"?

Heh.

84 rightside  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:54:08am

re: #80 galloping granny

I am working midnight shift, and arrive home about now, so, that's my story, and I'm sticking to it!

85 freetoken  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:54:12am

re: #76 MigueldowninMexico

Choo choo?

Well, I too
must bid adieu
Just give me,
tea for two....

86 littleoldlady  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:54:55am

re: #83 MigueldowninMexico

You're not an English speaker?!

/since when?

87 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:55:06am

re: #85 freetoken

Choo choo?

Well, I too
must bid adieu
Just give me,
tea for two....

Well you do!

88 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:55:06am

re: #83 MigueldowninMexico

plural of life is lives, and it's on the brink.

/in the brink might be a slurring of in the drink though. ;)

89 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:55:20am

re: #86 littleoldlady

You're not an English speaker?!

/since when?

Since I was born ;)

90 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:55:33am

campaign slogan that just came to mind, listening to Brooks & Dunn:

"If you really believed in America, you could never believe Obama."

/obviously time for me to hit it.....

L8r

91 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:55:36am

re: #83 MigueldowninMexico

Two questions for English speakers.
I thanks answers in advance.
1.- The plural of life is "lives" or lifes"?

"In the brink" or "on the brink"?

Heh.

The plural of life is lives. Usually on the brink. Brink means edge.

92 littleoldlady  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:55:51am

re: #89 MigueldowninMexico

FABULOUS! I finally understand Spanish!

93 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:56:00am

re: #88 BlueCanuck

plural of life is lives, and it's on the brink.

/in the brink might be a slurring of in the drink though. ;)

Haha.
Thanks, Blue! :)

94 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:56:30am

re: #84 rightside

I am working midnight shift, and arrive home about now, so, that's my story, and I'm sticking to it!

I guess you're excused then :) I kinda miss your "first" on this thread though.

95 redc1c4  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:56:31am

re: #83 MigueldowninMexico

Two questions for English speakers.
I thanks answers in advance.
1.- The plural of life is "lives" or lifes"?

"In the brink" or "on the brink"?

Heh.


no habla

96 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:57:06am

re: #91 galloping granny

The plural of life is lives. Usually on the brink. Brink means edge.

Thanks, Granny! :)

97 little blessing  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:57:11am

re: #90 redc1c4

I like it.

98 vbspurs  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:57:11am

re: #81 galloping granny

Unless you visit Mexico. I hear that hopping over the border to have your virginity restored has become all the rage. And vital if you're muslim.

I believe the Brazilian plastic surgeon, Dr. 90210 Rey, did them for his E! show.

/sad, but happy I'm not part of such a culture

99 freetoken  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:57:26am

re: #91 galloping granny

However, there is the phrase "in the clink", where "clink" is a synonym for prison. Perhaps that is something Miguel has heard before.

Good night everybody....

100 littleoldlady  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:57:45am

Work.

/feh. :-/

Good day, ALL!™

101 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:57:47am

re: #92 littleoldlady

FABULOUS! I finally understand Spanish!

Sí, pequeña dama viejita.

102 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:58:25am

re: #69 redc1c4

where the Stars & Stripes, and the eagle flies......... only in America.

You are a redneck! Will you please bear my child?

/Heh, that will confuse all of the "sleepers of the night" whom should be assured that it's not a brokeback Lizard type thing.

/ya had to be there

103 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:58:46am

re: #99 freetoken

However, there is the phrase "in the clink", where "clink" is a synonym for prison. Perhaps that is something Miguel has heard before.

Good night everybody....

Very true. Night freetoken!

104 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:58:54am

re: #99 freetoken

I think I have, but I wasn't there...yet lol

Thanks :)

105 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:59:23am

Well see you all next time red, freetoken, and littleoldlady.

/*sigh* an hour to go in the salt mines.

106 littleoldlady  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:59:43am

re: #101 MigueldowninMexico

pequeña dama viejita.

Or, PetiteVieuxDame?

/Sock Puppets 'R Us

*p00f!*

107 vbspurs  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:00:02am

re: #102 AmeriDan

You are a redneck! Will you please bear my child?

This is one of my favourite songs. :)

/is far from being a redneck girl.

108 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:00:07am

re: #100 littleoldlady

Work.

/feh. :-/

Good day, ALL!™

Four-letter word!

Feh.
Bye LoL, have a great day!

109 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:00:22am

re: #106 littleoldlady

Or, PetiteVieuxDame?

/Sock Puppets 'R Us

*p00f!*

Oui! ;)

110 vbspurs  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:01:09am

re: #106 littleoldlady

Or, PetiteVieuxDame?

Vieille.

/siren, language police, please pull over ma'am.

111 little blessing  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:01:48am

re: #108 MigueldowninMexico

Bye LOL!

Hope to see you tomorrow!

112 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:02:03am

re: #110 vbspurs

Vieille.

/siren, language police, please pull over ma'am.

Hahahaha

113 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:02:20am

re: #107 vbspurs

This is one of my favourite songs. :)

/is far from being a redneck girl.

Oh heck yeah! Now we're jammin.

114 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:02:48am

re: #110 vbspurs

Vieille.

/siren, language police, please pull over ma'am.

Honestly officer, we thought bad grammar was the proper way to speak. ;)

115 yochanan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:03:04am

re: #28 MigueldowninMexico

twins were hard enough esp since we also had a son who was 2 years old when the twins were born. so almost triplets

116 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:03:25am

re: #115 yochanan

twins were hard enough esp since we also had a son who was 2 years old when the twins were born. so almost triplets

When was this, yoch?

117 vbspurs  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:04:42am

re: #113 AmeriDan

Oh heck yeah! Now we're jammin.

Cause I'm a redneck woman
And I ain't no high class broad
I'm just a product of my raisin'
And I say "hey y'all" and "Yee Haw"
And I keep my Christmas lights on, on my front porch all year long
And I know all the words to every Charlie Daniels song
So here's to all my sisters out there keepin' it country
Let me get a big "Hell Yeah" from the redneck girls like me
Hell Yeah
Hell Yeah

/swings from side to side

118 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:05:07am

Gotta go now.
Hope to see all the great lizards tomorrow ;)

119 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:06:51am

Night Miguel, drop by sooner next time for all the shenanigans.

/might get a walk on for the telenovella.

120 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:07:45am

Bombshell -

But according to a passing reference in a profile in The New Republic last year, Pastor Wright was himself a Muslim convert to Christianity. He seems to have moved from being a Muslim black power fanatic to a Christian black power fanatic – which might go some way to explaining his close affinity to the Muslim black power ideologue Louis Farrakhan.

[Link: www.spectator.co.uk...]

121 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:08:24am

for some reason I have this in my head at the moment:
Nancy Griffith

122 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:08:35am

re: #90 redc1c4


campaign slogan that just came to mind, listening to Brooks & Dunn:

"If you really believed in America, you could never believe Obama."

/obviously time for me to hit it.....

L8r

G'nite Red, I am jumping out too.

But before I go, can I tweak that quote just a little (or a lot)?

"If you really LOVE America, why would you want to CHANGE America?

123 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:12:31am

re: #117 vbspurs

/swings from side to side

*swoons*

*drinks beer*

*swoons again*

You may deny your redneck side... but I bet you're a cowgirl.

124 vbspurs  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:14:28am

re: #120 galloping granny

Bombshell -

[Link: www.spectator.co.uk...]

GOOD GRIEF! Thank God for Mel Phillips.

Steve in San Diego (sounds like a wonderful member of this community) rebuts about the LGF slurs in the Blogosphere:

It wasn't mere comments that are the real problem with the Obama web site; comments can be left by anyone. Rather, the problem is the *blogs* that were created there. The Obama site states that blogs will be reviewed, and only put up after they are approved by administrators. Either that's simply not true (problem) or site administrtors thought the nasty blogs were just fine (bigger problem).

Note also that this crap has been posted there for months.

FYI, mislabeling the blogs in question as just "comments" is a damage-control falsehood currently being used by Obama supporters. It was a lot more than just some comments.

Thank you for your time.

125 vbspurs  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:15:57am

re: #123 AmeriDan

but I bet you're a cowgirl.

Ooh! I love George Strait too. ;)

/redneck boys are lovely.

126 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:17:13am
127 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:20:15am

re: #125 vbspurs

Ooh! I love George Strait too. ;)

/redneck boys are lovely.

I'm lost in this moment.

128 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:20:27am

re: #124 vbspurs

GOOD GRIEF! Thank God for Mel Phillips.

Sure does explain that statement from Trinity to someone a while back that there are "lots of muslims here" doesn't it?

129 yochanan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:20:48am

re: #69 redc1c4

where the Stars & Stripes, and the eagle flies......... only in America.

thanks for the links red, I was that boy by the fence when his daddy went off to serve his country.

130 vbspurs  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:23:19am

re: #128 galloping granny

Sure does explain that statement from Trinity to someone a while back that there are "lots of muslims here" doesn't it?

Oh I didn't hear about that one. Let me Google after my shower. Thanks GG!

/waves goodbye to AmeriDan shyly

131 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:26:37am
132 yochanan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:26:51am

re: #116 MigueldowninMexico

23 years ago

133 jcbunga  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:26:54am

In the category of "How's that workin' out for ya?", here's a fond look back to October 2004 with the Kerry/Bush election campaign in its final stages:

"Your security is not in the hands of Kerry or Bush or al Qaeda. Your security is in your own hands, and any U.S. state that does not toy with our security automatically guarantees its own security."--OBL

God bless the troops and the STFU smackdown they've been laying on the bad guys. All volunteers. The best the planet has ever seen.

134 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:28:51am

re: #130 vbspurs

Oh I didn't hear about that one. Let me Google after my shower. Thanks GG!

/waves goodbye to AmeriDan shyly

Enjoy your shower vbspurs. I'll talk to you later, I hope. Have a wonderful day.

/trying not to think about vbspurs in the shower.

135 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:31:30am

re: #134 AmeriDan

Enjoy your shower vbspurs. I'll talk to you later, I hope. Have a wonderful day.

/trying not to think about vbspurs in the shower.

Not working, I may lose my Southern Gentleman accreditation over this.

136 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:34:18am

re: #135 AmeriDan

May I suggest a cold shower yourself? :)

/does wonders for me when I need it.
//if unable to shower I recommend an ice pack.

137 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:38:44am

re: #136 BlueCanuck

May I suggest a cold shower yourself? :)

/does wonders for me when I need it.
//if unable to shower I recommend an ice pack.

Heh.

138 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:38:51am

Well, I've had my two cups of coffee and can't put it off any longer. Time to go hoe. Later - have a good one.

139 Irish Rose  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:39:23am

Good morning lizards, 62 degrees and sunny along the Lake Michigan shoreline.

Hows' everyone?

140 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:39:43am

re: #138 galloping granny

Well, I've had my two cups of coffee and can't put it off any longer. Time to go hoe. Later - have a good one.

Goodbye Granny, have a great day.

141 Macker  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:40:01am

Time for me to hit the shower. Good Morning Lizards!

142 Macker  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:41:06am

re: #139 Irish Rose

Good morning lizards, 62 degrees and sunny along the Lake Michigan shoreline.

Hows' everyone?

Hey what part of the shoreline. I "hailed" from South Haven, MI when I was growing up...the getaway spot for lots of Chicagoans!

143 LeftJustAintRight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:41:46am

Irish insight?


The Irish are such clear thinkers.

An e-mail forwarded by somebody who received it from
kin in the olde sod:

'We, in Ireland, can't figure out why you in the US
are even bothering to hold an election.

On one side, you have a bitch who is a lawyer, married
to a lawyer, running against a lawyer who is married
to a bitch who is a lawyer.

On the other side, you have a war hero married to a
good looking woman who owns a beer distributorship.

144 AmeriDan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:42:44am

re: #139 Irish Rose

Good morning lizards, 62 degrees and sunny along the Lake Michigan shoreline.

Hows' everyone?

Morning Rose. You're just in time for the shift change.

Sorry about the mess we left.

/off to a cold shower

145 Irish Rose  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:44:02am

re: #142 Macker

Hey what part of the shoreline. I "hailed" from South Haven, MI when I was growing up...the getaway spot for lots of Chicagoans!

Grand Haven.

146 LeftJustAintRight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:44:03am

While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75
> year old Texas rancher, whose hand was caught in a gate while working
> cattle, the doctor struck up a
>
> conversation with the old man.
> Eventually the topic got around to Obama and his bid to be our
> President.
>
>
> The old rancher said,
>
> 'Well, ya know, Obama is a 'post
> turtle'.'
>
> Not being familiar with the term, the
> doctor asked him what a 'post turtle' was. The old rancher said,
>
>
> 'When you're driving down a country road
> and you
>
> come across a fence post with a turtle
> balanced on top, that's a 'post turtle'.'
>
> The old rancher saw a puzzled look on
> the doctor's face, so he continued to explain.
>
> 'You know he didn't get up there by
> himself, he doesn't belong up there, he doesn't know what to do while he
> is up there, and you just wonder what kind of a dumb ass put him up; there to begin with.'
>

147 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:44:56am

Night granny, have fun in the garden.

And it's time for me to ride into the sunrise as well. Night/morning all that's left.

148 Averybadman  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:48:04am

Ahhhh. Sip my first cup 'o joe, check the mail, log into LGF (now that I finally have an account after trying for a year!)...and check the morning thread.

Almost down to 30 days before the plane leaves for the dry, dusty place between the Tigris and Euphrates. What to do with my remaining time? Excepting for the following planned activities:
1. Scuba trip for 2 days diving with my son in NC.
2. Whitewater weekend in WV with the whole family (Averybadmama, Averybadgirl, and Averybadboy).
3. Leave detailed computer maintenance instructions for Averybadmama -- the self-proclaimed "techno-Neanderthal."
4. Wash, wax and tune up all cars.
5. Set nefarious plans in motion to piss off Averybadcat while I'm gone. Mean b_____d, he is!

I'm taking suggestions. Good morning all.

149 razorbacker  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:49:17am

JamesTKirk has a hidden agenda...

150 realwest  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:56:44am

Good morning all Y'all - from a very warm (74 degrees, going up to 91 degrees) muggy and overcast Charlotte!
*Yawn* (excuse me!) - not used to being up and on LGF at this hour but have appoitments and chores to do early today!
How is everyone this fine morning?

151 razorbacker  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:58:27am

re: #150 realwest

Good morning all Y'all - from a very warm (74 degrees, going up to 91 degrees) muggy and overcast Charlotte!
*Yawn* (excuse me!) - not used to being up and on LGF at this hour but have appoitments and chores to do early today!
How is everyone this fine morning?

Fine as frog hair, Real. Howbotchaownself?

152 realwest  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:58:49am

Holy cats! I just looked at the time/date stamp of this thread and Charles put it up at like 3:12 AM his time!
Does Sir Charles EVER sleep?!

153 realwest  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:00:06am

re: #151 razorbacker
Well, other than not really being awake, I guess I'm as fine as fresh spun cotton candy (h/t Mandy Manners)!
Glad to hear you're doing well today.

154 The Albatross  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:00:59am

Morning Lizards, I'm waiting for my coffee... half way through a long stretch... day 9 of working 18 in a row (ack).


It's hot, damn hot... 77 at 7am here in NW FL and thank God for air conditioning.

155 razorbacker  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:01:20am

re: #152 realwest

I think it's a bot. The alternative is too mind wobbling. he knows when you've been sleeping, he knows when you're awake, he knows if you've been bad or good, so be good for goodness sake

156 The Albatross  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:02:23am

re: #148 Averybadman

It took me two years before I caught an open registration and was able to open an account. Welcome.

157 realwest  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:02:41am

re: #154 The Albatross
Hey there - good morning to you! 77 degrees already in NW Florida?!? And how come you're working 18 days in a row?

158 slartybartfast  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:02:57am

Good morning, Lizards!

FYI, BHO's campaign is operating a Push-Poll in Georgia--telephone poll last night (example "question"):

Q: What do you think about Barak Obama's position on abortion? You know, John McCain is Pro-Life and he will work to stop all abortions. Barak Obama is leaving the choice up to the woman...

159 realwest  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:04:05am

re: #155 razorbacker
ROFL! Yes, I reckon it might be a bot - that or, and I hope this is the answer, Charles gets to nap for a couple hours everyday!

160 realwest  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:05:18am

Aggggh - I gotta go get started on those appoitments and what not.
I hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

161 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:05:56am

Mornin' all. So the obamamaniacs have woke up to the fact their messiahs web site is full of vile shit and it isn't the VRWC doing it. Buncha loons.

162 The Albatross  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:06:58am

re: #157 realwest

Took a dive and had to step down from management at the Y... picked up to private clients, and am working part time at the front desk (I'm allergic to the building and immunotherapy is making it much worse before it gets better)... plus I'm still the certified pool operator for that pool and private swim lessons.

I need 70 hours a week to pay for the difference in my medical.

But hey, life's an adventure!

I have a 9 to 3 today... that's as close as I get to a day off.

163 The Albatross  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:08:16am

I'm not going anywhere until I get my first cup of coffee.

Have a great day Realwest!

164 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:10:29am

Haven't altered my opinion that Islamic Fundamentalist Terrorism must be destroyed. Does that make me a Lizard?

165 The Albatross  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:10:35am

re: #161 pingjockey

Met a moonbat at the Y... going on about universal healthcare and how Obama was going to change everything. I am ashamed to say that I was speechless. Since I was on the job I just let her go with a quiet nod and tight lipped grin.... thinking "not if I can help it".

166 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:11:07am

Good Lord! Can't anybody on tv or congress read a frackin' dictionary and look up the definition of "windfall profits".

167 razorbacker  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:11:16am

I was wandering about these intranut tubes this morning and realized that in at least one way, this virtual world is far superior than the 'real' world.

If something offends you on the intranut, *click* and it's gone.

That pesky old World V.1.0 requires you to actually deal with the problem.

I'm going off to deal with a leaky window. 'Cause if it leaks a mite in the winter you can always throw another log on the fire, but if it leaks in the summer you're burning precious air conditioning, and that there electricity is expensive.

168 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:12:30am

re: #167 razorbacker

Hey, I sell windows. Can I give ya a hand?

169 infidelia  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:13:02am

re: #158 slartybartfast

Good morning, Lizards!

FYI, BHO's campaign is operating a Push-Poll in Georgia--telephone poll last night (example "question"):

Q: What do you think about Barak Obama's position on abortion? You know, John McCain is Pro-Life and he will work to stop all abortions. Barak Obama is leaving the choice up to the woman...

Hell, you can't go lettin' them uppity wimmin' make choices about their own bodies now can you? Whatatheythink they own them things?

McCain going to hunt down all them wimmins who has ever had abortions and send them to prison, is he, none of this foolin' around with them doctors? Then think about how grateful their families will be.

Millions of families.

Go ahead. It's the only "right thing to do" if you believe it's "murder". Be consistent. If all those women are "murderers", jail them.

I may have to vote for him but nothing says I can't be sarcastic about it.

170 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:14:51am

Uh oh! Chuck Norris is calling for folks to sign petitions to drill in the US now. Maybe he can smack some sense into some congress critters. Haha! I have this absurd image of a kung fu flick, bad sound and all with Chuck in the House chamber delivering Moe like slaps to foreheads of Chucky Schumer, Pelosi, etc...

171 Irish Rose  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:15:05am

I have to share an interesting tidbit with the lizards this morning.

I've been sorting through the last of the boxes that I have from my mothers' estate, and came across a stack of old magazines last week. Mom was an old-school Democrat, and she had a blind spot for the Kennedy family like most people did in those days. Among her belongings I found the original Life, Saturday Evening Post, and Newsweek Kennedy assassination editions and my mothers' scrapbook containing every single news clip about JFKs' assassination and the Johnson transition that she could find.

Also something really amazing, the inaugural edition of Newsweek magazine dated Feb 17, 1933 in near perfect condition.

Flipping through this magazine is like taking a walk back in history. This was printed during the great depression. It has a number of fascinating news reports pertaining to pre-war Nazi Germany and Hitlers' rise to power. Also newsclips about Roosevelts' election, the Lindbergh family, and Joseph Stalin. Photos of Hitler as a child and Vincent Astor holding a pair of "pet" penguins, and some discussion also about depression-era culture and the entertainment industry.

Also a long article about the depression-era mortgage crisis that looks uneasily familiar.

Accompanying a photo of a bunch of men in hats standing around a noose smiling, this:

The spectre of the auctioneer stalks throughout the land, haunting debtors in the city, town and country.

Next to life itself, a home is mans' most prized possession. To save it, rugged individualism has grown gregarious, and harried citizens are banding against foreclosure.

Some are violent, grimly taking the law into their own hands. This was the case last week in many Mid-west States, where fulminating farmers have for two months been staging minor insurrections. Near auction blocks, they hung threatening nooses, rolled foreclosure agents in the snow or forcibly rushed them from the scene.

Then they held a "penny sale", bidding in foreclosed property worth $2,000 and more for only 2$ and some odd cents.

Neighbors helping neighbors.

Pretty amazing look at history.

172 Karridine  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:15:22am

re: #167 razorbacker

Yup. If someone criticizes my anti-Jew, anti-American blogpost, I just DELete it, and those Rethuglicans and 'patriots' will get off my back...

/works for Kos and Obama

173 razorbacker  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:16:50am

re: #168 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yeah, run down to the hardware store and pick up a tube of clear silicone caulk.

And kindly explain to my dear wife the difference between 'good enough' and 'perfect'.

You'd think after all these years dealing with me, she'd be able to bear any slight problem with aplomb. But hope springs eternal, or so I've heard.

174 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:17:05am

re: #159 realwest

ROFL! Yes, I reckon it might be a bot - that or, and I hope this is the answer, Charles gets to nap for a couple hours everyday!

It's the LGF autopilot.

175 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:19:49am

re: #171 Irish Rose

Hiya Rose!

Farmers threatening to string up auctioneers...how sweet. Newsweek hasn't changed much, has it?

176 Gharqad  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:19:50am

re: #174 Dar ul Harb

Surely you can't be serious.

177 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:20:47am

re: #173 razorbacker

Eventually, she'll come around.

Not really.

178 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:21:08am

re: #176 Gharqad

Surely you can't be serious.

I am serious, and don't call me Shirley.

179 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:21:40am

Karridine...
Are you still there?


Turns out I'm in your neighborhood (50 miles away) right now

180 The Albatross  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:22:07am

re: #173 razorbacker

Heh. Tell your wife that at least you didn't lay a tile floor last week with two different lots of the same tile without mixing them up. I've got a sunroom with a diagonal pattern across the room, with half the tile lighter than the other. All I can do is accept it or bust it out and have the old man do it again.

He was so stiff and sore by the time he finished, I didn't have the heart to tell him it really pissed me off and is bothering the heck out of me. Sheepishly (when he saw the look on my face) he told me the furniture would cover most of it up. I saw how tired he was, I just told him "stuff happens" and told him to go have a long hot shower.

The problem? I got no furniture for that room.... yet.

181 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:22:57am

re: #171 Irish Rose
Finding stuff like that is pretty cool. We had a table from great grandma, and underneath the oil cloth cover was a canvas Standard Oil banner from the 30s and under that a buncha newspapers from the same era. One was a years retrospective in pictures. Dillinger killed, a buncha pics of Hollywood folks. Just fantastic stuff.

182 The Albatross  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:24:22am

Irish Rose, my husbands grandmother collected Life magazines for all her children's birthdays, my husband has his June 1965 and it's in great condition as well.

183 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:24:45am

re: #180 The Albatross

That's the kind of thing that you make a contractor tear out and re-do. When it's family, you look at it fondly. At least that's the way it should be.

My wife'd make me tear it out and re-do it.

But I'm not bitter.

184 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:24:45am

Good morning Lizards..............

185 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:25:16am

DG!

186 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:26:13am

re: #185 pingjockey

DG!

Morning ping...........

187 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:26:42am

re: #183 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That's the kind of thing that you make a contractor tear out and re-do. When it's family, you look at it fondly. At least that's the way it should be.

My wife'd make me tear it out and re-do it.

But I'm not bitter.

Sure you're not...............ROTFLMAO................

188 The Albatross  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:27:20am

re: #183 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Heh, my husband IS a contractor. But he works so hard at work, when he needs to do for our home... things mess up. This time he laid the floor in the late afternoon and evening without turning the light on.

Ah, well.

189 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:27:31am

Hey Dorian! What's Shakin?

(All four cheeks and a couple'a chins. Norm Peterson, Cheers)

190 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:27:51am

re: #186 doriangrey
We might get to 75 degrees today and maybe 80 by the weekend. Crazy damn weather. There was 2 ft, yes 2ft of snow in some parts of the Cascades in the last 2 days.

191 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:28:27am

re: #190 pingjockey

Hotter than a 5.00 pistol here.

192 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:28:49am

re: #189 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"It's a dog eat dog world and I'm wearing a Milk Bone suit."

193 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:29:21am

re: #192 pingjockey

Gosh I loved Norm.

194 razorbacker  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:29:30am

re: #180 The Albatross

Don't get me started. Finally finished the first bath. Got the tile all nice and pretty in the shower, tasteful coordinating but subtle contrast (or so it's been described for me, looks like the factory goofed to me) transition to the floor.

Walls skim coated and painted, trim up, every leak hunted down and eradicated like it was the last remaining smallpox carrier.

So she looks at it and says, "Pretty".
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
"I think I'll paint stripes on the wall. That'll be different."

195 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:30:29am

re: #191 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The east side of the Rockies to the Atlantic has been getting slammed. If it ain't heat it's floods, if it ain't floods it's tornados. We are pretty good up here in the NW. Occasional volcano, forest fire.

196 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:32:07am

re: #195 pingjockey

Just laughed out loud too hard for tawdry initials.

197 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:32:29am

re: #193 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
TV Guide or somebody did Norms bar tab and beer consuption based on an average of beers consumed during an episode. The tab looked like a small nations debt and the beer intake would've took the output of a medium sized brewery!

198 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:32:45am

re: #189 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey Dorian! What's Shakin?

(All four cheeks and a couple'a chins. Norm Peterson, Cheers)

re: #190 pingjockey

We might get to 75 degrees today and maybe 80 by the weekend. Crazy damn weather. There was 2 ft, yes 2ft of snow in some parts of the Cascades in the last 2 days.

Heh heh heh what can I say, it's damned tough living in paradise. Been a lovely 74 degree's pretty much all month, rained a couple of times....

199 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:33:35am

re: #198 doriangrey
Glad ya got some rain. Wasn't it really dry down there?

200 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:33:46am

re: #197 pingjockey

TV Guide or somebody did Norms bar tab and beer consuption based on an average of beers consumed during an episode. The tab looked like a small nations debt and the beer intake would've took the output of a medium sized brewery!

Hey... I resemble that..........................

201 The Albatross  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:34:00am

I miss the Cascades... haven't been back since 2001. That's the longest I've been away. I used to go at least every other year. Got no family there now though (big sigh).

202 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:34:40am

re: #201 The Albatross
Well, crap.

203 slartybartfast  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:34:56am

re: #169 infidelia

Hell, you can't go lettin' them uppity wimmin' make choices about their own bodies now can you? Whatatheythink they own them things?

McCain going to hunt down all them wimmins who has ever had abortions and send them to prison, is he, none of this foolin' around with them doctors? Then think about how grateful their families will be.

Millions of families.

Go ahead. It's the only "right thing to do" if you believe it's "murder". Be consistent. If all those women are "murderers", jail them.

I may have to vote for him but nothing says I can't be sarcastic about it.

This pretty much sums up BHO's views on abortion (political humor at Townhall.com).

204 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:35:21am

re: #199 pingjockey

Glad ya got some rain. Wasn't it really dry down there?

Yup.... Been really dry for the last 25 years or so. But then again we have a 60 year weather cycle, 30 years dry, 30 years wet. Just starting to go into the 30 year wet cycle.

205 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:35:34am

re: #198 doriangrey

Heh heh heh what can I say, it's damned tough living in paradise. Been a lovely 74 degree's pretty much all month, rained a couple of times....

Lewis Black:

Easiest job in the world? Weatherman, San Diego...

Bill: Now to Jim with the weather, Jim?
Jim: (Pause) Nice! Back to you, Bill.

Stayed at the Del once. Was REALLY nice.

206 The Albatross  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:36:18am

re: #202 pingjockey

I miss homemade rasberry ice cream, the Dory Boat Festival, Crater Lake, and Mill City.

207 Irish Rose  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:36:22am

FBV,

You know the old saying.. the more things change, the more they stay the same.

Found this article regarding the state of Islam in Turkey in the religious section, all the way in the back.

"Kemal" refers to Mustafa Kemal Atatürk... leader of the Turkish National Movement, President of Turkey and founder of the Republic of Turkey.

ISLAM: Muezzins Talk Turkish Now Instead of Arabic

When the muezzin called from the minaret outside of the great, green mosque at Broussa, Turkey, last week, he summond the faithful to prayer... not in the name of Allah, but in the Turkish name of Tanri.

Kemals' official banning of Arabic, used in religious services in his country since the death of Mohammed in 632, was another revolutionary step in line with the Presidents' attempts to modernize Turkey. For the orthodox, its' effects were the same as though Latin were to be abandoned in Roman Catholic church services.

Kemal has proved himself implacable in his insistence upon the adoption of his reforms. In the past, he has hanged a number of rebel ring-leaders. He took the fez away from the men, telling them to wear felt hats and derbies. He commanded women to put aside their veils. He separated church and State and replaced old Islamic laws by new codes.

Talk about balls of steel... Kemal was an amazing man. He modernized all of Turkey from the ground up and abolished the Caliphate.

208 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:36:47am

re: #201 The Albatross

I miss the Cascades... haven't been back since 2001. That's the longest I've been away. I used to go at least every other year. Got no family there now though (big sigh).

Meh...........I was born in Yakima Washington, havent been back in like 38 years. Dont miss the frigging snow one single bit..............

209 razorbacker  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:37:38am

BBL.

Hardware store should be open by the time I get there.

210 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:37:52am

re: #204 doriangrey
I remember once in the mid 80s we had one of those Pacific storms hit, was living in Chula Juana and it was thunder and lightening and it started snowing! We were making jokes about the end of the world.

211 Miss Trixie  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:37:55am

&#9836 TA-DA! &#9836

Good morning {lizards!}

Averybadman - welcome. The new kid always brings donuts and fresh coffee. :D

{realwest} Morning, luv *smooochy-smooch-SMOOOOOOOOOCH*

Monster storms rumbled through the valley last night sweeping away the sticky humidity and today it's bright and clean with plenty of sinshine.

Thank you G*d for another beautiful day.

212 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:38:23am

re: #205 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Lewis Black:

Easiest job in the world? Weatherman, San Diego...

Bill: Now to Jim with the weather, Jim?
Jim: (Pause) Nice! Back to you, Bill.

Stayed at the Del once. Was REALLY nice.

Fuck Lewis Black...........well that said that is a funny routine, and yea the Hotel Del really is something... Plus..... It's haunted...........

213 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:38:37am

Good morning all. 76 degrees in the greater metropolitan Doraville area, going up into the low 90s. We need rain -- popcorn thunderstorms are the norm these days, but we've missed them the last few days. Off to Alabama in a bit to pick up oldest boy after his first sleep-away camp.

I love the Cascades -- when I was kid, for about five years running, we'd drive from Chicago to Seattle for a business meeting my dad always had out there. We'd always take a couple of weeks and travel around the area, usually heading over to Victoria, sometimes going up to Prince Rupert and across through Banff and Jasper on the way home. Some of my favorite memories of childhood were those trips through the Pacific Northwest.

How's everyone this fine morning?

214 The Albatross  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:39:15am

re: #208 doriangrey

Meh back at you (grin) I grew up in San Diego... and loved the change of pace. I still am scratching my head at why I ever settled here on the Gulf of Mexico... "high" ground is 360 ft above sea level and it's about 60 miles from here.

I miss the mountains.

215 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:39:56am

re: #210 pingjockey

I remember once in the mid 80s we had one of those Pacific storms hit, was living in Chula Juana and it was thunder and lightening and it started snowing! We were making jokes about the end of the world.

ROTFLMAO............I remember that...............Damn storm nearly washed away the Crystal Pier........

216 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:40:54am

re: #207 Irish Rose

My sister was stationed in Turkey in the 80's. Brought a sheik outfit (I mean the full regalia) home to me as a gift. Was Cotton and Silk. Most comfortable thing I ever wore. Three Halloweens in a row! (I think my family threw it away, I can get to be a pretty embarrassing person to be around).

217 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:41:54am

re: #213 Lucius Septimius

Good morning all. 76 degrees in the greater metropolitan Doraville area, going up into the low 90s. We need rain -- popcorn thunderstorms are the norm these days, but we've missed them the last few days. Off to Alabama in a bit to pick up oldest boy after his first sleep-away camp.

I love the Cascades -- when I was kid, for about five years running, we'd drive from Chicago to Seattle for a business meeting my dad always had out there. We'd always take a couple of weeks and travel around the area, usually heading over to Victoria, sometimes going up to Prince Rupert and across through Banff and Jasper on the way home. Some of my favorite memories of childhood were those trips through the Pacific Northwest.

How's everyone this fine morning?

Good morning Lucius, feeling great down here on the Left coast, looking to be another wonderful San Diego day, fricking shame I have to work and cant spend the day crusin my Vette around the beaches.....

218 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:42:07am

ON TOPIC!

Coach: How's life treating you, Norm?
Norm: Like it caught me in bed with its wife.

Coach: How's life, Norm?
Norm: Not for the squeamish, Coach.

Coach: How's it going, Norm?
Norm: Daddy's rich and Momma's good lookin'.

Sam: What's up, Norm?
Norm: My nipples. It's freezing out there.

Coach: What's the story, Norm?
Norm: Thirsty guy walks into a bar. You finish it.

Sam: What's new, Norm?
Norm: Most of my wife.

Coach: Beer, Norm?
Norm: Naah, I'd probably just drink it.

Coach: What's doing, Norm?
Norm: Well, science is seeking a cure for thirst. I happen to be the guinea pig.

Coach: Can I draw you a beer, Norm?
Norm: No, I know what they look like. Just pour me one.

Coach: How about a beer, Norm?
Norm: Hey I'm high on life, Coach. Of course, beer is my life.

Coach: How's a beer sound, Norm?
Norm: I dunno. I usually finish them before they get a word in.

Coach: What's up, Norm? N
orm: Corners of my mouth, Coach.

Coach: What's shaking, Norm?
Norm: All four cheeks and a couple of chins, Coach.

Coach: Beer, Normie?
Norm: Uh, Coach, I dunno, I had one this week. Eh, why not, I'm still young.

[Norm comes in with an attractive woman.] Coach: Normie, Normie, could this be Vera?
Norm: With a lot of expensive surgery, maybe.

[Norm returns from the hospital.] Coach: What's up, Norm?
Norm: Everything that's supposed to be.

Sam: What's new, Normie?
Norm: Terrorists, Sam. They've taken over my stomach. They're demanding beer.

Coach: What'll it be, Normie?
Norm: Just the usual, Coach. I'll have a froth of beer and a snorkel.

Coach: What would you say to a beer, Normie?
Norm: Daddy wuvs you.

Sam: What'd you like, Normie?
Norm: A reason to live. Gimme another beer.

Norm: Afternoon, everybody.
All: Norm!
Cliff: Afternoon, everybody.
All: [silence]

Sam: What will you have, Norm?
Norm: Well, I'm in a gambling mood, Sammy. I'll take a glass of whatever comes out of that tap.
Sam: Oh, looks like beer, Norm.
Norm: Call me Mister Lucky.

Sam: What do you say, Norm?
Norm: Any cheap, tawdry thing that'll get me a beer.

219 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:43:03am

re: #212 doriangrey

Yeah, but give credit where credit is due.

220 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:44:02am

re: #217 doriangrey

Good morning Lucius, feeling great down here on the Left coast, looking to be another wonderful San Diego day, fricking shame I have to work and cant spend the day crusin my Vette around the beaches.....

"Work is the curse of the drinking class" --- Oscar Wilde

221 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:44:27am

re: #220 Lucius Septimius

"Work is the curse of the drinking class" --- Oscar Wilde

And so right he was...................

222 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:44:32am

re: #208 doriangrey
Ha. You have to be bilingual to live in Yakima now! Folks in Chelan just got their new property assesments....Some property values have quintupled! Working class people are having to sell out and move cause property taxes have went through the roof! 1100sq. ft. house on the lake, 2 bedrooms over 1 mill. All the westsiders with bucks are buying everything and all the city fathers are seeing nothing but dollar signs. Here in the Wenatchee valley, they just closed a trailer park to make way for $650k condos. Fuck the people who lived there. The vacancy rate for rental properties is 1.5%! And, there is a little thing Olympia dreamed up. The growth management act. If you subdivide your property the parcels can be no smaller than 5 acres. So the working class folks are being zapped big time.

223 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:45:05am

Whole bunch of Norm quotes here.

[Link: members.aol.com...]

224 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:46:30am

re: #222 pingjockey

Bilingual? Which languages?

225 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:47:29am

Hey Lucius! That is a nice trip to do. The ferry ride from Seattle to Victoria is awesome.

226 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:47:49am

re: #224 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Se habla espanol.

227 Miss Trixie  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:48:03am

re: #189 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey Dorian! What's Shakin?

(All four cheeks and a couple'a chins. Norm Peterson, Cheers)

LOL! That guy's got more chins than a Hong Kong telephone directory ... :P

228 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:48:12am

re: #226 pingjockey

Oh, and what other language?

/

229 The Albatross  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:48:36am

re: #222 pingjockey

It was tough to get a toe hold even in the late 70's and early 80's unless you were bankrolled. I wanted to live outside of Salem, but was afraid I wouldn't be able to make a go of it. No chance of living there now. If I have to move from here, I'll be heading to SE Oklahoma.

230 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:50:05am

re: #228 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
That is about it. A couple of the school districts here have over 60% Hispanic students. Just had a buddy get hit by a car on his 2 week old HD. Hispanic driver, no insurance(state law requires it) no DL. He's okay, bike trashed.

231 The Albatross  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:50:32am

My family was all farm folk, 4th and 6th sons... no way they could inherit the family farm in Nebraska. We've been blue collar ever since.

232 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:51:10am

re: #229 The Albatross
Yep all the wonderful tree huggers are buying all the woods they can and putting up Keep the Fuck out signs.

233 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:52:28am

Good morning, Lizards.

234 Sunlight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:52:44am

I put this on the previous Obama thread, but I think everyone has left it!

Obama keeps going because competent people are still stuck on the stupid MSM. Even with a link from Rush Limbaugh, the visit count here hovers at or below 100K. It needs to be 100M. That's why the candidates can say different opposite things, etc. with a straight face and not have to worry about it. People will feel a mild confusion, but not enough to actually go out to the blogs to get more info (since we know the MSM will construct the news to fit their narrative). The MSM has done their best to discredit blogs, unfortunately somewhat successfully among people who consider the MSM as the traditional standard. I've gotten a die-hard LA Times reader to read the Investor's Business Daily editorials because they already read the IBD business stuff. It looks like the IBD editorial people are reading LGF, Powerline, Instapundit, milblogs, etc. and are providing somewhat of an infusion into a group of voters who could potentially influence larger numbers of voters. The Wall Street Journal sometimes does a good job of it also, but I've seen some incomplete pieces there (relevant facts left out to maintain some narrative)... which is really too bad.
235 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:53:22am

re: #232 pingjockey

Yep all the wonderful tree huggers are buying all the woods they can and putting up Keep the Fuck out signs.

There is an irony there that the commie bastards probably just dont have the intelligence to grasp....

236 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:55:05am

re: #233 goddessoftheclassroom

Mornin' Goddess -- all moved in?

237 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:55:17am

re: #233 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards.

Good morning Goddess................May the lord bless you this day.......

238 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:56:20am

re: #235 doriangrey
Oh yeah. There were a couple of assholes that bought some property up the valley from my parents and tried to gate a Forest Service road. That didn't last long. Between the locals putting rounds through their mailbox and No anything signs, ripping out the gateposts with 4x4s they got the message.

239 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:56:46am

Well it's time once again for me and that old vette of mine to go putting on down the road...(heh heh heh lucky me...)

240 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:57:12am

re: #239 doriangrey
Have a good day.
Mornin' goddess.

241 The Albatross  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:58:11am

We're getting a lot of that here on the coast in NW Florida... big money coming in, putting up condos and even buying up the public access right of ways to the beach. They've been fighting for years here to determine whether or not property stops at the water line.

I've pulled away from the beaches and got a little patch of dirt inland where I may be able to retire when I sell out of the coast. One thing I like here, is that there are many locals who are in the same boat I am... they had to move off from GA and AL to try to find land of their own because they were farmers who were 2nd, 3rd, .... 7th sons and had to move off the farm to find something of their own.

Hard working, easy to please folk, with little education (like me)... makes for good neighbors.

242 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:00:18am

re: #241 The Albatross
Yeppers. Same here. A lot of the orchards have been sold off cuase the kids didn't want the hassle of all the state and federal bullshit about hiring workers, pesticides, etc...Just a rats nest of regulations.

243 doriangrey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:00:37am

re: #238 pingjockey

Oh yeah. There were a couple of assholes that bought some property up the valley from my parents and tried to gate a Forest Service road. That didn't last long. Between the locals putting rounds through their mailbox and No anything signs, ripping out the gateposts with 4x4s they got the message.

Amazing..........That they ever got the message that is. Those fucking insane socialist/commie/liberal tree hugging bastards really arent very bright. The classic definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over and over expecting different results each time. Socialism/communism has failed miserably ever single place and time it has been tried, yet in keeping with the definition of insanity, they insist on trying the same thing again and again insisting that everyone who tried it did it wrong, but somehow they will get it right. Fucking lunatics.....

244 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:00:49am

re: #158 slartybartfast

Good morning, Lizards!

FYI, BHO's campaign is operating a Push-Poll in Georgia--telephone poll last night (example "question"):

Q: What do you think about Barak Obama's position on abortion? You know, John McCain is Pro-Life and he will work to stop all abortions. Barak Obama is leaving the choice up to the woman...

That is a poll? Odd definition of poll, when you give the respondent the answers, LOL. Not to mention biased beyond all belief.

245 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:01:16am

Well, it's been grand, but gotta run. Busy day ahead.

Have a great day, ya'll.

246 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:01:30am

re: #236 Lucius Septimius

Mornin' Goddess -- all moved in?

Well, I moved OUT--I still have tons to sort through in the new room, but that's the fun part.

My goal now is to establish more structure in the household in order to keep it up better. As much as I loved Animal House, I don't want to live there.

We had a good meeting with Lizard-in-Training's counselor. Before the meeting, I told LIT that regardless of the pain of the past year, we've learned that there some things over which we simply have no control, nor can we change. We have to deal with situations as the occur, not hide from them so that they get worse. We have a plan to make up the courses he needs to as well as a possible schedule for the year after that.

247 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:02:22am

re: #243 doriangrey
You have to remember their mindset, rules are for others, not the elites. The Ivy League edumicated, the Kennedys and their ilk, the hollyweird leftists, etc...

248 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:02:44am

re: #237 doriangrey

Good morning Goddess................May the lord bless you this day.......

And you, {doriangrey}. Of course, He always does; it's up to us to open our hearts to see it!

249 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:03:56am

SAN FRANCISCO — An American military supercomputer, assembled from components originally designed for video game machines, has reached a long-sought-after computing milestone by processing more than 1.026 quadrillion calculations per second.
The Roadrunner supercomputer costs $133 million and will be used to study nuclear weapons.
The new machine is more than twice as fast as the previous fastest supercomputer, the I.B.M. BlueGene/L, which is based at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California.

The new $133 million supercomputer, called Roadrunner in a reference to the state bird of New Mexico, was devised and built by engineers and scientists at I.B.M. and Los Alamos National Laboratory, based in Los Alamos, N.M. It will be used principally to solve classified military problems to ensure that the nation’s stockpile of nuclear weapons will continue to work correctly as they age. The Roadrunner will simulate the behavior of the weapons in the first fraction of a second during an explosion.

SNIP

250 The Albatross  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:04:22am

Good morning Goddess. Thank you for keeping up the list. You can pull the Father in law off for now.

I got a blessing though... got enough clients to cover my medical expenses and that's a big relief. Just happened yesterday. I was doing respite care for a couple of weeks, and the family called the office and want's me on permanently. That gives me 39 hours private in home care, and 15 hours front desk at the Y, 10 hours pool maintenance and 4-8 hour private swim lessons.

It will cover my expenses, I only have to drive 2 miles max, and I can wait it out through the summer while I'm getting these durn shots... I hit the 6 month mark in August. Hopefully I can be back full tilt by then.

251 pingjockey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:04:55am

Good day all, off to the salt mines.

252 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:05:40am

Greets and saluts from the much more comfortable NYC metro area as a result of those storms coming through last night. Then again, if you're without power or had issues with your commute because of those storms, you might quibble with the aforementioned comfort.

First, you get reports that Israel is considering major operations against Hamas and the terrorists in Gaza. Israel rules out a military operation against Hamas in Gaza for the time being. Right. Good show. The terrorists can continue their bombing campaign against Southern Israel and Israel's leadership thinks that taking the fight to the terrorist infrastructure in its entirety is not quite appropriate at this time. How many more Israelis have to die or be injured before Olmert and his cronies take action? They're engaging in limited airstrikes against terror cells after they fire on Israelis, but that does little to prevent attacks.

The Knesset might call for new elections next week, but I'm not convinced they'll actually go through with it.

253 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:06:41am

re: #249 MandyManners

Nix the second sentence.

254 The Albatross  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:07:04am

re: #251 pingjockey

Have a good day pingjockey... nice visiting with ya.

255 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:08:51am

re: #252 lawhawk

The Knesset might call for new elections next week, but I'm not convinced they'll actually go through with it.

This would be very good news.

256 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:11:03am

re: #255 MandyManners

It would, and while Olmert is giving his blessing to Kadima, the Knesset hasn't managed to get the votes to go through with dissolving the government four times already. That's despite the Gaza rocket war, the Hizbullah war and Winograd report findings, and Olmert's legal troubles.

The Israeli polity is a mess.

257 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:12:19am

"Reptile of the mind"

What a great nic that would be. I hope some hatchling picks it up.

258 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:12:22am

re: #256 lawhawk

It sounds like a true Charley Foxtrot.

259 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:12:46am

re: #256 lawhawk

It would, and while Olmert is giving his blessing to Kadima, the Knesset hasn't managed to get the votes to go through with dissolving the government four times already. That's despite the Gaza rocket war, the Hizbullah war and Winograd report findings, and Olmert's legal troubles.

The Israeli polity is a mess.

I look at the mess in Israel and Olmert still running the government while rockets fall daily and unabated on Sderot and I can only shake my head. There simply are no words.

260 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:14:12am

re: #257 Shiplord Kirel

"Reptile of the mind"

What a great nic that would be. I hope some hatchling picks it up.

It brings to mind this song.

261 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:15:29am

Lizard Prayer List 6/11/08
Prayers for thanks, praise, comfort, strength, healing, and hope

Seeking Updates
Many thanks to Ben Z and Cap'n Doc for starting this.

Part I

Thanksgivings
gop patriot: friend’s 6-year-old son almost completely over pneumonia.
Shug: arrival of Shug Junior; Mrs. Shug is fine
Jim Robinson of FreeRepublic.com: recuperating well
laZardo: friend’s brain scan came back clear
BlueCanuck (and mom)--brother, SIL, and niece in China and safe.
The Albatross: enough clients to cover medical expenses
FishFearMe: "artifact" or a "sclerotic bone lesion" on sacroiliac IS BENIGN!.
killgore trout: stepfather’s doing better
Conservgirl: Father-in-law Oliver is in remission from Multiple Myeloma. It's a miracle.
Suzette: things improving
MamaWinger Father in law doing better

Health issues:

Sarah: dad (cancer);
Zonie--cancer and renal failure
Jorline: father who has colon cancer
Pro-Bush Canuck: sister’s illness
LanceKates: dad’s continued recovery from surgery
Ma Sands: daughter dealing with postpartum issues
Tarkus289: father is in hospital; may have pneumonia after two strokes and stage 7 Alzheimer'
kcladderman: father’s throat cancer; just finisher second round of radiation
Clutch: 82-year-old mom’s recovery from eye surgery
realwest: cancer; mom diagnosed with Type II diabetes
BBev: wife’s illness; recovering from surgery
Kenneth: beloved daughter "M" serious chronic illness.
loppyd: nephew, recently diagnosed with Type I Diabetes
Babbazee: ancillary health problems
Cartman: liver and other health problems
Irene NYC: mom’s cancer
EC Marm: wife is hurt
Lucius Septimius: mother
Storagemanager: copd (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease)
BenZacharia: wifffeee’s recovery from surgery
USMC1968: cancer

Continued...

262 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:15:46am

Lizard Prayer List, Part II

Family, friend, and life situations:

SavageNation
Lucius Septimus: healing of hurts
David Simon—mom (Alzheimer's)
Sarah: and her husband in the process of moving to Arizona for husband’s schooling and the loans for the schooling are not working out.
Incanus and family: uncle’s passing
KostyaLotz: In-Law Family and Friends in Sichuan Provence, PRC (earthquake victims)
Lizards who are traveling, especially those going abroad.
Eyes of Blue: daughter’s neighbor's husband killed in Iraq.
committed: brother lost his mobile home to fire
Intrepid:. Mom has Alzheimer's and Intrepid is caretaker
Gromster: mother’s passing
Bikermailman: mom’s heart surgery next month
Loppyd: stepfather recovering from serious surgery
wolfie: nephew (USAR) who is being sent into the thick of things in Iraq. We lost another nephew (USMC) two years ago.
vxbush: father’s passing; her & son
conservgirl: atheist SPM, that he finds the Lord
Lizards with family issues
Hayseed: extended family challenges
gibsonz: the passing of Sonia Neeley
Maximus: son reports for active duty in August.
Noraono: colleagues laid off in building industry
antiislamist: in need of prayers
tfc3rid: friend’s passing shortly after diagnosis, leaving wife and 2 young children; friend’s pregnancy/complications
lone_wolf_in_illinois: friends and family in Israel
Crusader Rabbit: safe traveling
Spidly: brother’s passing
GotC: EH/kids; losing cousin and aunt within 4 months
Danger close: general
zulubaby, Carl in Jerusalem, Mr Pol, Golden Jerusalem, basically all the minion in eretz Yisrael
noam sayin': comfort for a lost brother
DorianGrey: much sorrow
Buckeye Abroad: in the belly of the beast of Eurabia
ChildOfMary: job for hubby and health for self
nonic: general
yank in EU: general
MdiM: general
Suzette: general


Community issues:

Those suffering in China and Burma
Gilad Schalit, Ehud Goldwasser, Eldad Regev, for their release.
Those at risk for speaking the truth
The families of John Young and Ron Withrow and those of the contractors still held hostage
Those pushing back against dhimmitude
Israel, especially for those who mourn
Ezra Levant and Brian at Snapped Shot: for justice

263 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:16:32am

I'm always concerned that I'll miss a request or update, so if you can, would you please scan the list and let me know of any needed changes?

264 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:17:26am

Absolutely fucking outrageous -

U.S. troops serving in Iraq may be getting more letters during mail call, but they won't be care packages — one group is sending them letters and DVDs claiming 9/11 was an “inside job” and that they should rethink why they’re fighting.

Mark Dice, founder of The Resistance, which he calls a media watchdog group, says that the U.S. government was responsible for the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and that the armed forces should know it.

“People want the facts. The Marines are hungry for the truth — what got them there [in Iraq], why are they risking their lives — and we’re going to help them understand that,” he told FOX News.

Dice plans to send letters and declassified government documents that he says can prove the government’s responsibility for the terrorist attacks that killed nearly 3,000 people — and he’s urging others to do the same.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

265 rlevitin  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:18:57am

Morning all!

I don't know if anyone has talked about it yet, but did you guys hear Israel decided NOT to go through with attacking Gaza, and they seem to be giving into the Egyptian-brokered truce with Hamas, without really enforcing any of the principles.

I am SO FURIOUS at the Olmert government right now. It's DISGUSTING how he can let his citizens live under mortar fire (another 18 mortars and 4 missiles hit Israel yesterday) and do nothing but TALK, TALK, TALK.

/I just had to let that out.

266 Irish Rose  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:19:09am

241 The Albatross 6/11/08 5:58:11 am

We're getting a lot of that here on the coast in NW Florida... big money coming in, putting up condos and even buying up the public access right of ways to the beach. They've been fighting for years here to determine whether or not property stops at the water line.

We have these same issues up here along the shores of the Great Lakes.

Lighthouses are one of our states' great treasures. Thankfully access to the Grand Haven light is protected because it borders a state park. Not all of our lights are that fortunate... most of them are surrounded by private homes on beaches, with a small area of public access.

Over the years people have tried very hard to get hold of that public access land to restrict the crass, unwashed lowly public from walking past their precious beachfront properties and ruining the karma. They want the lights all to themselves, and the rest of us should be content with a pair of binoculars.

Same thing with the beaches. Here in Michigan, the private property lines stop short of the waterline, which is deemed public property by the state of Michigan. You can walk all up and down the beach to your hearts content, as long as you stay inside of the waterline and don't go up onto private beach areas.

The folks who have expensive homes along the lakeshore are always bitching about the unwashed, lowly public walking along the beach in front of their homes. It's been going on for years. They don't want to see us or look at us, and they want it all for themselves.

Bastahds.

267 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:19:50am

re: #265 rlevitin

Morning all!

I don't know if anyone has talked about it yet, but did you guys hear Israel decided NOT to go through with attacking Gaza, and they seem to be giving into the Egyptian-brokered truce with Hamas, without really enforcing any of the principles.

I am SO FURIOUS at the Olmert government right now. It's DISGUSTING how he can let his citizens live under mortar fire (another 18 mortars and 4 missiles hit Israel yesterday) and do nothing but TALK, TALK, TALK.

/I just had to let that out.

Lawhawk posted that just above. What I find amazing is that the people of Israel have not deposed Olmert by open rebellion yet.

268 Irish Rose  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:20:29am

re: #264 galloping granny


I'm sure you can guess what those letters are going to be used for over there :).

Waste of postage and printing costs.

269 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:21:24am

re: #264 galloping granny

Absolutely fucking outrageous -

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

He's the fucking pinhead who once was called "John Conner."

Didn't Danny Bonoduce punch his lights out last year or so?

270 Irish Rose  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:21:31am

Poverty sucks... so off to work I go.

Have a great day, Lizards.

271 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:22:47am
272 The Albatross  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:23:32am

re: #270 Irish Rose

Right you are... poverty sucks more than work. I'm right behind ya... gotta be at work in 35 min. Later Lizards... keep shining the light on the carnival of cockroaches and the abomination that is the Obamanation.

273 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:23:45am

re: #264 galloping granny

Jammie has a post on his blog about this.

This is the same troofer baboon who was absolutely owned by former child star and all-round ass-kicker Danny Bonaduce in a classic video confrontation.

A direct mailing to all the troops in Iraq, or even a worthwhile percentage of them, would be a very expensive proposition. I have to wonder who is really footing the bill. Might be interesting to find out.

274 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:24:04am

re: #268 Irish Rose

I'm sure you can guess what those letters are going to be used for over there :).

Waste of postage and printing costs.

I was a Vietnam Era army wife. Smacks way too much of what the military of my generation had to put up with, which was heart breaking for most of them and literally broke more than a few. Our servicepeople in Iraq should not have to put up with this.

For that matter, I'm dying to know where the ass is even getting the addresses to send this crap to, since addresses and duty stations of military personnel are not public information.

275 realwest  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:24:22am

Well good morining again all Y'all - how's everyone doing this fine morning?

276 rlevitin  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:24:44am

re: #267 galloping granny

lol, thanks, my bad.

re: #256 lawhawk

I was SO SURE that Israel was finally gonna do SOMETHING. If they don't dissolve the government next week, I dunno what I am gonna do. I'll have lost a lot of faith in Israel.

On the other hand, The common soldiers in the IDF have still got my undying support. They never fail to impress me.

As I type this, looks like Olmert is out, after making all the decisions to screw over his country.

278 realwest  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:27:20am

re: #277 Ojoe Hi Ojoe!
Thanks again for those great photos! Really nice.
How are y'all doing this morning?

279 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:27:37am

re: #276 rlevitin

lol, thanks, my bad.

Nothing bad about it. Important - and maddening - issue.

280 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:27:58am

re: #264 galloping granny

That is infuriating.

I especially can't stand all the bogus ignorant structural misconceptions of the "truthers"

Ojoe, architect.

281 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:28:01am

re: #273 Shiplord Kirel

Jammie has a post on his blog about this.

This is the same troofer baboon who was absolutely owned by former child star and all-round ass-kicker Danny Bonaduce in a classic video confrontation.

A direct mailing to all the troops in Iraq, or even a worthwhile percentage of them, would be a very expensive proposition. I have to wonder who is really footing the bill. Might be interesting to find out.

*sniff* *sniff*

Is that a Soros I smell?

282 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:28:25am

re: #205 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Speaking of Paradise - I drove through Paradise, MT, yesterday. It was raining. Today it is probably snowing. I'm wondering which season we're in right now - I think it's snow. Not over 50 today...

283 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:28:53am

re: #53 MigueldowninMexico

Amen to that!

284 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:29:22am

re: #278 realwest

Fine, just read St. Patrick's morning prayer, but got up too late to hear the bird chorus. Wife & kids still asleep.

285 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:30:10am

re: #284 Ojoe

Fine, just read St. Patrick's morning prayer, but got up too late to hear the bird chorus. Wife & kids still asleep.

What is St. Patrick's morning prayer? (I'm up every day to hear the birds - that is what wakes me up.)

286 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:30:28am

re: #273 Shiplord Kirel

Jammie has a post on his blog about this.

This is the same troofer baboon who was absolutely owned by former child star and all-round ass-kicker Danny Bonaduce in a classic video confrontation.

A direct mailing to all the troops in Iraq, or even a worthwhile percentage of them, would be a very expensive proposition. I have to wonder who is really footing the bill. Might be interesting to find out.


I believe Danny"Boom Boom " Bonaduce
beat down Andy Dick...Which fit perfectly!

287 laZardo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:30:46am

Whoooooooooo.

What did I miss?

288 Karridine  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:31:16am

re: #179 Village Idiot's Apprentice

Email me, Dude! Love to meetcha!

290 realwest  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:31:28am

re: #264 galloping granny Good morning galloping granny!
How did that pos get the names and APO's of the Marines he's sending that crap to, do you know?

291 rlevitin  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:31:42am

re: #264 galloping granny

Someone else should find out what is being sent to the troops, and for every package/letter/whatever is sent, an equivalent should be sent refuting the troofer's and ensuring our country's and the free world's gratitude.

292 tfc3rid  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:31:51am

Morning all...

So Republican Presidential candidate John McCain is here in NY fund raising and other stuff...

NY Post running a story today that has McCain praising the job Mayor Bloomy hjas done here and not ruling out Bloomberg for his VP... I can think of no better way to completely alienate any conservatives that might want to vote McCain than him even thinking about Mike Bloomberg as a Veep possibility...

293 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:32:35am

re: #285 galloping granny

Here is St. Patrick's morning prayer (quite old it is):


Saint Patrick’s Breastplate:

I arise today
Through a mighty strength, the invocation of the Trinity,
Through the belief in the threeness,
Through confession of the oneness
Of the Creator of Creation.

I arise today
Through the strength of Christ's birth with his baptism,
Through the strength of his crucifixion with his burial,
Through the strength of his resurrection with his ascension,
Through the strength of his descent for the judgment of Doom.

I arise today
Through the strength of the love of Cherubim,
In obedience of angels,
In the service of archangels,
In hope of resurrection to meet with reward,
In prayers of patriarchs,
In predictions of prophets,
In preaching of apostles,
In faith of confessors,
In innocence of holy virgins,
In deeds of righteous men.

I arise today
Through the strength of heaven:
Light of sun,
Radiance of moon,
Splendor of fire,
Speed of lightning,
Swiftness of wind,
Depth of sea,
Stability of earth,
Firmness of rock.

I arise today
Through God's strength to pilot me:
God's might to uphold me,
God's wisdom to guide me,
God's eye to look before me,
God's ear to hear me,
God's word to speak for me,
God's hand to guard me,
God's way to lie before me,
God's shield to protect me,
God's host to save me
From snares of devils,
From temptations of vices,
From everyone who shall wish me ill,
Afar and anear,
Alone and in multitude.

I summon today all these powers between me and those evils,
Against every cruel merciless power that may oppose my body and soul,
Against incantations of false prophets,
Against black laws of pagandom
Against false laws of heretics,
Against craft of idolatry,
Against spells of witches and smiths and wizards,
Against every knowledge that corrupts man's body and soul.
Christ to shield me today
Against poison, against burning,
Against drowning, against wounding,
So that there may come to me abundance of reward.

Christ with me, Christ before me, Christ behind me,
Christ in me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me,
Christ on my right, Christ on my left,
Christ when I lie down, Christ when I sit down, Christ when I arise,
Christ in the heart of every man who thinks of me,
Christ in the mouth of everyone who speaks of me,
Christ in every eye that sees me,
Christ in every ear that hears me.

I arise today
Through a mighty strength, the invocation of the Trinity,
Through belief in the threeness,
Through confession of the oneness,
Of the Creator of Creation.


294 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:32:47am

re: #290 realwest

Probably using the anysoldier.com or adoptasoldier type websites.

295 infidelia  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:32:52am

re: #273 Shiplord Kirel

Jammie has a post on his blog about this.

This is the same troofer baboon who was absolutely owned by former child star and all-round ass-kicker Danny Bonaduce in a classic video confrontation.

A direct mailing to all the troops in Iraq, or even a worthwhile percentage of them, would be a very expensive proposition. I have to wonder who is really footing the bill. Might be interesting to find out.

Danny Bonaduce, my hero of the day. And yeah, it would be interesting to know who paid the bill for that mailing.

296 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:33:10am
297 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:33:18am

Just in from a friend -

Abu Dhabi to buy NYC's landmark Chrysler Building -
[Link: www.nypost.com...]

They don't have to conquer us buy jihad - they are simply buying us out, lock, stock and barrel.

298 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:34:43am

Chrysler Building may be sold to investors from Abu Dhabi

The latest Big Apple trophy being coveted by oil-rich sovereign wealth funds is the landmark Chrysler Building.

Sources say the su per-rich Abu Dhabi Investment Council is negotiating an $800 million deal for a 75 per cent stake in the Art Deco treasure that has defined the Midtown skyline since 1930.

299 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:34:43am

re: #290 realwest

Good morning galloping granny!
How did that pos get the names and APO's of the Marines he's sending that crap to, do you know?

I don't know realwest and I am darned curious about that, since they are not supposed to be made public at all.

300 HDrepub  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:35:00am

re: #297 galloping granny

Just in from a friend -

Abu Dhabi to buy NYC's landmark Chrysler Building -
[Link: www.nypost.com...]

They don't have to conquer us buy jihad - they are simply buying us out, lock, stock and barrel.

Yes and with our money too via OPEC.

301 laZardo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:35:01am

re: #273 Shiplord Kirel

At least he was polite enough to excuse his own language beforehand.

302 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:35:53am

Is this the same Mark Dice?

Lindsay Lohan May Commit Suicide
Hollywood, CA
- Christian counselor Mark Dice fears that Lindsay Lohan may commit suicide to escape the feelings of emptiness in her soul.

SNIP

Mark Dice largly credits his 'Pray for Paris Party' held at the Beverly Hilton Hotel on June 5th as the reason Paris Hilton found God in jail, and is now focusing his prayers on Lindsay Lohan. Dice is a Christian author and pop culture critic focusing on morality and social trends in relation to celebrities.

Mark Dice is a Christian author and pop culture critic focusing on morality and social trends in relation to celebrities.

303 realwest  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:36:23am

re: #289 MandyManners
Good Morning Mandy - is that the pos that gallopin granny was talking about - sending over "the truth" to the Marines in Iraq? I see from a link within your link that he's a Ron Paulian "troofer" - I too smell Soros' money in back of this.

304 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:36:23am

re: #288 Karridine

Hey hey..
That's the minor problem.
Can't get my end of the e-mail to work.


Have you noticed anything in the local paper about a large group of ships pulling into Pattaya (sp) yesterday?

305 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:36:25am
306 Miss Trixie  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:36:26am

realwest, honey - see my #211

:D

307 HDrepub  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:36:29am

re: #292 tfc3rid

Morning all...

So Republican Presidential candidate John McCain is here in NY fund raising and other stuff...

NY Post running a story today that has McCain praising the job Mayor Bloomy hjas done here and not ruling out Bloomberg for his VP... I can think of no better way to completely alienate any conservatives that might want to vote McCain than him even thinking about Mike Bloomberg as a Veep possibility...

You gotta be sh*ttin' me! Bloomberg as Veep. I truly believe McCain is trying to be the sacrificial lamb ala Bob Dole.

309 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:37:13am

re: #299 galloping granny

I don't know realwest and I am darned curious about that, since they are not supposed to be made public at all.

He and his ilk could be signing up on those support the soldiers websites.

310 realwest  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:38:03am

re: #294 Typicalwhitey
If so, that's just......just... repugnant. Truly. Almost as repugnant as this POS.

311 infidelia  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:38:32am

re: #298 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Chrysler Building may be sold to investors from Abu Dhabi

The latest Big Apple trophy being coveted by oil-rich sovereign wealth funds is the landmark Chrysler Building.

Sources say the su per-rich Abu Dhabi Investment Council is negotiating an $800 million deal for a 75 per cent stake in the Art Deco treasure that has defined the Midtown skyline since 1930.

Oh no, not the Chrysler... there's only one thing worse than that and that's probably a matter of time. Of course if the WTC hadn't existed we'd probably have lost both the Chrysler and the Empire on 9/11.

312 laZardo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:38:34am

re: #298 Who Watches the Watchmen?

I've been told that the reason the UAErs are investing abroad so much is because their oil is running out quick. It's why they're turning Dubai into a sort of tourist megaplex.

313 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:38:47am

re: #310 realwest

I know.
He is a complete jerk.

314 ciaospirit  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:39:07am

I got an email from a couple who say they are missionaries in Kenya. Trying to verify this so take with a grain of salt. This is what they say:

We are living and working in Kenya for almost twelve years now and know his family (tribe) well. They are the ones who were behind the recent Presidential election chaos here. Thousands of people have been displaced by election violence (over 350,000) and I don't know the last count of the dead. Obama under "friends of Obama" gave almost a million dollars to the opposition campaign who just happened to be his cousin, Raila Odinga, who is a socialist trained in East Germany. He has been trying to bring Kenya down for years and the last president threw him in prison for trying to subvert this country! December 27th elections brought cries from ODM (Odinga Camp) of rigged election.

By the way. His true name is Barak Hussein Muhammed Obama.

315 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:39:14am

re: #308 infidelia

I have always viewed the mermaid with appreciation and respect.

316 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:39:18am
317 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:39:26am

re: #309 Typicalwhitey

He and his ilk could be signing up on those support the soldiers websites.

Usually even then you do not get the address. Most of those you send your card/package etc. to the organization and they send it out. Political stuff is generally not allowed.

318 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:40:20am

re: #303 realwest

Good Morning Mandy - is that the pos that gallopin granny was talking about - sending over "the truth" to the Marines in Iraq? I see from a link within your link that he's a Ron Paulian "troofer" - I too smell Soros' money in back of this.

I'd not be the least bit surprised.

319 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:40:41am

re: #308 infidelia

Funny nobody seems to have noticed that until you came along, Mark. So, where else are you seeing subliminal sexual messages these days?

LOL!

320 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:41:30am

re: #314 ciaospirit

I got an email from a couple who say they are missionaries in Kenya. Trying to verify this so take with a grain of salt. This is what they say:

At least part of that is true. He went to Kenya to campaign for his cousin Raila.

321 realwest  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:41:46am

re: #306 Miss Trixie Whoa there {Miss Trixie} (gets up, dusts self off)! What a great way to start the day!
And a *smooch* and hug back to you!
Hope you're doing ok today!

322 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:41:48am

re: #317 galloping granny

Usually even then you do not get the address. Most of those you send your card/package etc. to the organization and they send it out. Political stuff is generally not allowed.

No I am afraid that is not true, at least not in the ones I have been involved in.
I got their address to send and support them directly.
The websites I dealt with give you their information.

323 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:41:55am

re: #308 infidelia

So, where else are you seeing subliminal sexual messages these days?

Subliminal? Not necessary these days.

324 rlevitin  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:42:19am

re: #314 ciaospirit

That sounds really outlandish to me. Google to see if what they say about the election chaos is true... If this "Odinga camp" is a political player in Kenya, they might be google-able too...

325 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:42:21am

re: #314 ciaospirit

I'm with Sage in wanting to know what his birth certificate looks like.

326 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:43:05am

re: #311 infidelia

Oh no, not the Chrysler... there's only one thing worse than that and that's probably a matter of time. Of course if the WTC hadn't existed we'd probably have lost both the Chrysler and the Empire on 9/11.

Somebody already bought the Empire and as I vaguely recall there is ME oil money connected with that one too. That's why the green lights for Eid.

327 laZardo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:43:11am

re: #314 ciaospirit

Obama under "friends of Obama" gave almost a million dollars to the opposition campaign who just happened to be his cousin, Raila Odinga, who is a socialist trained in East Germany.

I thought Obama's brother(?) was trying to bring Shari'a law to Kenya.

328 realwest  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:43:15am

re: #304 Village Idiot's Apprentice Hey! Hi VIA! Dead Fish! (long time no see!). I hope you're doing well?!

329 infidelia  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:43:34am

re: #315 Ojoe

I have always viewed the mermaid with appreciation and respect.

She is a very demure mermaid, actuallly.

330 infidelia  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:44:49am

re: #326 galloping granny

Somebody already bought the Empire and as I vaguely recall there is ME oil money connected with that one too. That's why the green lights for Eid.

Shoulda known. Damn. If Ayn Rand were alive today she'd have gone after them like Luca Brazzi.

331 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:44:50am

Good Wednesday morning all. Sorry I haven't been posting much lately (like anyone would miss me - ha!). Been extremely busy at work.

332 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:45:04am

re: #322 Typicalwhitey

No I am afraid that is not true, at least not in the ones I have been involved in.
I got their address to send and support them directly.
The websites I dealt with give you their information.

Then you might want to get hold of the military - that is not the way it is supposed to work anymore. No "any soldier"mailings, either. Looked into it last year for a service project the kiddo wanted to do.

333 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:45:20am

re: #289 MandyManners

File this one under ridiculous press releases. Mark Dice and his group -- which calls itself "The Resistance" -- will be boycotting Starbucks for its sluttly mermaid. "The Starbucks logo has a naked woman on it with her legs spread like a prostitute," explains Dice in his press release. "Need I say more? It's extremely poor taste, and the company might as well call themselves, Slutbucks."

Gee, they say that like it's a bad thing.
/s
If this is what passes for moral activism in Hollywood, it's easy to understand how things have gotten to their present condition there.
Btw, it's my understanding that Hilton, Lohan, Spears et al stopped wearing panties after they heard that public utilities are required by California law to be open for inspection at all times.

334 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:45:53am

re: #327 laZardo

I thought Obama's brother(?) was trying to bring Shari'a law to Kenya.

Trained in East Germany? Is he a female gymnast?

/blink

335 laZardo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:46:23am

re: #333 Shiplord Kirel

Ding for a ZING!

336 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:46:29am

re: #327 laZardo

I thought Obama's brother(?) was trying to bring Shari'a law to Kenya.

He is. And if he was trained in East Germany (which disappeared when the wall came down) then he is a communist, not a socialist.

337 HDrepub  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:46:46am

re: #331 Ward Cleaver

Good Wednesday morning all. Sorry I haven't been posting much lately (like anyone would miss me - ha!). Been extremely busy at work.

Welcome back Ward!

338 tfc3rid  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:47:29am

re: #264 galloping granny

Traitorous?

339 godfrey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:47:54am

re: #289 MandyManners

Dice should be prosecuted for sedition.

341 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:48:28am

BBIAW--got some errands to run.

342 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:48:38am

re: #338 tfc3rid

Near it, anyway.

BBL

343 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:49:00am

re: #328 realwest
Hey Real..
Long time, no posting here.
Just spent 23 days off the coast of Burma waiting to provide aid.
Now I'm down the road from Karridines place, and trying to figure a way to meet up with him if possible.
How's things on your end...ok I hope?

344 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:49:01am

re: #333 Shiplord Kirel

Gee, they say that like it's a bad thing.
/s
If this is what passes for moral activism in Hollywood, it's easy to understand how things have gotten to their present condition there.
Btw, it's my understanding that Hilton, Lohan, Spears et al stopped wearing panties after they heard that public utilities are required by California law to be open for inspection at all times.

Ew.

345 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:49:09am

Good Morning, Lizards! I HOPE you're all having a great day. Today is Wednesday, which means it's New Comic Book Day. The local comic book store has a very nice, very sweet - and very ignorant - girl behind the counter who almost always wears a Che T-shirt on New Comic Book Day. She's black & I know that I've read articles about Che being particularly nasty towards Afro-Cubans during his reign of terror. Anyone have any links about Che's racism so I can try to persuade this nice girl to change her wardrobe & maybe her mind?

346 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:49:13am

re: #337 HDrepub

Welcome back Ward!

Thanks. Doesn't mean I'll be posting much today. Hey, I like the tagline on your profile Loud pipes do suck. And always wear a helmet. I call helmetless riders "organ donors".

347 laZardo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:49:23am

re: #336 galloping granny

Shari'a Marxism.

/talk about your oxymorons right there...

348 tfc3rid  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:49:31am

re: #280 Ojoe

That is infuriating.

I especially can't stand all the bogus ignorant structural misconceptions of the "truthers"

Ojoe, architect.

I hear ya man... As an engineer I am just shocked and apalled by their complete ignorance and that of those who agree with them...

349 HDrepub  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:49:34am

re: #339 godfrey

Dice should be prosecuted for sedition.

Evidently we just don't do that much. I wish we would start, I mean what's the use of having all these fabulous laws if we aren't going to enforce them.

350 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:49:39am

re: #338 tfc3rid

Traitorous?

Not sure you can touch him because of freedom of speech laws.

352 godfrey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:50:22am

re: #349 HDrepub

This is patently a psyops operation against troops in harm's way.

353 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:50:39am

re: #339 godfrey

Dice should be prosecuted for sedition.

Attempting to demoralize the troops?

354 godfrey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:50:53am

re: #353 MandyManners

Obviously.

355 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:50:58am

re: #343 Village Idiot's Apprentice

Hey Real..
Long time, no posting here.
Just spent 23 days off the coast of Burma waiting to provide aid.
Now I'm down the road from Karridines place, and trying to figure a way to meet up with him if possible.
How's things on your end...ok I hope?

Must have been frustrating as all get out. Hope you meet up with Karridine.

356 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:51:19am

Are there even sedition laws on the books these days?

357 tfc3rid  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:51:21am

Anybody know where 3 Wood has been lately?

358 godfrey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:51:51am

re: #356 Ward Cleaver

Dice is careful with his words. He knows the law.

359 vxbush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:52:15am

Morning, everyone. I did a quick check here and didn't see anyone discussing the cloth-covered BMW. It's a concept car, so don't freak out about issues involving accidents, bird poop, etc. But the video is veeeery interesting.

360 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:52:37am

re: #351 Ward Cleaver

IOW, kooks.

Kooks who get on The View.

Read his Myspace page.

361 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:52:46am

re: #347 laZardo

Shari'a Marxism.

/talk about your oxymorons right there...

Actually, it isn't. Both islam and communism are about doing what you are told, group think, obedience to orders - and ultimate punishment if you fail. The "common good" with no individual rights.

362 realwest  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:53:16am

re: #343 Village Idiot's Apprentice Hi VIA, yeah, I doing ok sorta! Just getting old(er) it seems by the minute!
I thought you might be off Burma (I mean you and of course your ship!) and I still don't know why the Junta wouldn't let us provide aid. Did you guys get any information on that? I mean, did they think you were gonna attack 'em or something (not that that would necessarily be a BAD idea!)?

364 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:53:59am

re: #339 godfrey

Dice should be prosecuted for sedition.

Anti-Starbucks sedition?

365 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:54:37am

Gotta go clean the pool. Storm left a lot of junk in it. Back in a bit.

366 realwest  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:55:32am

re: #349 HDrepub
"Evidently we just don't do that much." Um, how about NOT AT ALL - or at least not recently!

367 godfrey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:56:09am

re: #364 Occasional Reader

Touch my morning espresso, and you die.

368 tfc3rid  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:56:11am

re: #350 galloping granny

Not sure you can touch him because of freedom of speech laws.

Well, either way his plan is subversion of our troops, which seems like it's something that could be prosecuted...

369 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:56:31am

re: #363 Occasional Reader

Er... she's a mermaid, dude. She doesn't have legs.

Are we sure this isn't a spoof? It sure sounds like one.

And good morning.

Check out my other links. This guy is for real.

370 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:56:51am

re: #355 galloping granny

Hey young lady.
Yeah, sort of frustrating.

But you do what you can do, and leave the rest to God and others above you.

371 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:57:06am

re: #363 Occasional Reader

Good morning to you, too!

372 jill e  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:57:40am

"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." —Ralph Waldo Emerson

373 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:57:43am

re: #369 MandyManners

Check out my other links. This guy is for real.

I stand corrected. After reading about this guy, I'd say; get the thorzaine darts and giant butterfly net.

374 godfrey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:58:05am

re: #363 Occasional Reader

Cheers, OR. Mark Dice is an attention whore. Look at him, shirtless and flexing His Troofer Manliness for the ladies.

Game.

375 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:58:07am

thorazine, pimf

376 realwest  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:58:10am

re: #357 tfc3rid Ah, finally a question I can answer - yes, he took his lovely wife of 25 years on a month's long trip to their "homeland" or at least from whence his ancestors came!
I suspect he'll be back enlightening all of us on things economic and sports in another two weeks or so!

377 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:59:17am

re: #367 godfrey

Touch my morning espresso, and you die.

"Lighten up, Francis..."

378 Sunlight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:59:18am

re: #249 MandyManners

SAN FRANCISCO — An American military supercomputer, assembled from components originally designed for video game machines, has reached a long-sought-after computing milestone by processing more than 1.026 quadrillion calculations per second.
The Roadrunner supercomputer costs $133 million and will be used to study nuclear weapons.
The new machine is more than twice as fast as the previous fastest supercomputer, the I.B.M. BlueGene/L, which is based at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California.

The new $133 million supercomputer, called Roadrunner in a reference to the state bird of New Mexico, was devised and built by engineers and scientists at I.B.M. and Los Alamos National Laboratory, based in Los Alamos, N.M. It will be used principally to solve classified military problems to ensure that the nation’s stockpile of nuclear weapons will continue to work correctly as they age. The Roadrunner will simulate the behavior of the weapons in the first fraction of a second during an explosion.

SNIP

Lots of innovation in New Mexico!

379 godfrey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:59:43am

re: #350 galloping granny

So you can basically pamphlet our troops on the field with propaganda and hide behind free speech law?

380 DesertSage  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:59:48am

Has Obama found his birth certificate yet?

381 vxbush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:00:06am

re: #378 Sunlight

Lots of innovation in New Mexico!

Yum. New toys..

382 vxbush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:00:28am

Gotta go get some work done. Back in a bit.

383 godfrey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:00:34am

re: #377 Occasional Reader

Lighten it with milk? It's an outrage.

384 CanadianBacon  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:00:50am

Mornin', all.

Eastern slopes of the Canadian Rockies are wet this morning, as they have been for most of the last few weeks, but there is a promise of blue skies as we head into the weekend. If we're lucky we may even see the mountains that surround us by the time Mrs. CB gets off work to play golf with the ladies this afternoon.

Keep it screwed down tight, team, it's crazy out there.

385 realwest  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:00:50am

re: #359 vxbush
A car covered in cloth, not steel or aluminium or even a composite material?
Sounds like part of the concept is to have you driving in your own body-bag to me.

386 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:01:16am

re: #340 MandyManners

Pedantry attack! From the tinwiki article:

Bonaduce responded civilly until Dice inferred that the U.S. deliberately committed terrorism as a pretext for war

Should be "implied", not "inferred".

387 HDrepub  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:01:45am

Sedition is covered under the Smith Act which is still law.

388 Sunlight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:01:55am

re: #381 vxbush

Yum. New toys..

New sister cities to be Albuquerque and Rehovot, home of Weitzmann Inst. Innovation bursting at the seams.

389 Sunlight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:03:22am

re: #388 Sunlight

New sister cities to be Albuquerque and Rehovot, home of Weitzmann Inst. Innovation bursting at the seams.

Yikes.
"Weizmann." I spell it differently every time I type it.

390 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:03:26am

re: #359 vxbush

Morning, everyone. I did a quick check here and didn't see anyone discussing the cloth-covered BMW. It's a concept car, so don't freak out about issues involving accidents, bird poop, etc. But the video is veeeery interesting.

Interesting indeed. Until the 1930s, most airplanes were fabric covered and some are to this day. To my knowledge, no jet ever had fabric skin but some did have fabric covered control surfaces. Fabric covered prop planes got up into the 400 mph range during the World War 2 era. The fabric is heavily doped and water slides right off of it, along with bird poop, splattered bugs and the like.

The metal used for the skin of a car is so thin it does not really provide any kind of protection in a collision anyway, that is the job of the framing and support structure with metal skin serving to enhance this to a small extent. Slight strengthening of the metal support structure could easily make up for the loss of stiffening from a switch to fabric skin. It is also a myth, of course, that the steel on car bodies used to be thicker and of higher quality. Steel was used for this solely because it was cheap and durable.

391 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:03:29am

re: #311 infidelia

Best building in NYC, bar none.

392 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:03:36am

re: #362 realwest

Yeah...you and I are both getting older every day.

But, the only people I know that don't get any older are no longer living....so I guess we have that going for us.

I try to stay out of the political side of what all was taking place there.

I know I had my guys make several thousand gallons of drinking water, and my HT's cobbled together several manifolds out of pipes, valves and other odds and ends to fill emergengy water bags.

Plus, we had enough helo's with us to get things where they needed to go, and a full Medical/Surgical team standing by.

But....it didn't work out, and that's about the end of it.

Now, if I can figure a way to get an e-mail to Karridine, I might actually get a chance to meet him after all the years of exchanging posts here on LGF.

393 vxbush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:03:36am

re: #385 realwest

A car covered in cloth, not steel or aluminium or even a composite material?
Sounds like part of the concept is to have you driving in your own body-bag to me.

The claim made at the beginning of the video is that the metal covering the car frame isn't what protects you. It's the frame itself. Consequently, there's no need to use metal as a covering.

Note, I did say it's a concept car.

394 vxbush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:04:36am

re: #388 Sunlight

New sister cities to be Albuquerque and Rehovot, home of Weizmann Inst. Innovation bursting at the seams.

Hmmm. May need to rethink where I get my toys from.

[quietly planning to take over the world with advanced technology; adds "New Mexico" to list of places to conquer first]

395 realwest  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:04:38am

re: #373 Occasional Reader Morning O.R.! Hope you're doing well today!
"get the thorzaine darts and giant butterfly net baseball bats." Fixed that for you, just in case you were referring to his sending our Marines "Care Packages" about the "Troof" of 9/11 and other stupid, silly, designed to bust the morale of our troops.

396 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:05:43am

re: #359 vxbush

Morning, everyone. I did a quick check here and didn't see anyone discussing the cloth-covered BMW. It's a concept car, so don't freak out about issues involving accidents, bird poop, etc. But the video is veeeery interesting.

"What is the exterior of a car for... does it have to be made out of metal?"

Er, no, it can be made out of fiberglass. Like they've been doing with the Corvette (USA! USA!) for several decades now.

397 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:05:48am
398 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:06:03am

re: #393 vxbush

The
claim made at the beginning of the video is that the metal covering the
car frame isn't what protects you. It's the frame itself. Consequently,
there's no need to use metal as a covering.

Note, I did say it's a concept car.


It wouls seem rather easy to break in - a pair of pinking shears & the car is gone!

399 vxbush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:06:21am

re: #390 Shiplord Kirel

Interesting indeed. Until the 1930s, most airplanes were fabric covered and some are to this day. To my knowledge, no jet ever had fabric skin but some did have fabric covered control surfaces. Fabric covered prop planes got up into the 400 mph range during the World War 2 era. The fabric is heavily doped and water slides right off of it, along with bird poop, splattered bugs and the like.

The metal used for the skin of a car is so thin it does not really provide any kind of protection in a collision anyway, that is the job of the framing and support structure with metal skin serving to enhance this to a small extent. Slight strengthening of the metal support structure could easily make up for the loss of stiffening from a switch to fabric skin. It is also a myth, of course, that the steel on car bodies used to be thicker and of higher quality. Steel was used for this solely because it was cheap and durable.

I had forgotten that about the early planes, but you can clearly see that on the old footage of the first planes. So it's not as farfetched as some may think. [sneaks a look at RealWest]

400 alegrias  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:06:54am

Threatens to cut off UN funds: US Rep. Frank Wolf! Go, Frank, go!

"...Rep. Frank Wolf, R-Virginia, was outraged about the planned visit [to Northern Virginia's Prince William Country] to the point of threatening to cut United Nations funding. He said the U.N. was too slow to investigate human atrocities in Sudan and first needed to investigate its own human rights record.

“Do not send somebody from the United Nations here,” said Wolf, promising to remember the episode when the organization’s funding next comes before his House Appropriations Committee...."


[Link: www.examiner.com...]

401 vxbush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:07:01am

re: #398 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

It wouls seem rather easy to break in - a pair of pinking shears & the car is gone!

Okay, but when the car winks at you, you might think twice about it. :D

402 godfrey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:07:24am

re: #395 realwest

Realwest, can you imagine the kind of reception Marines would give Mark Dice in Iraq? Fox News should make it happen.

403 vxbush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:07:42am

re: #396 Occasional Reader

"What is the exterior of a car for... does it have to be made out of metal?"

Er, no, it can be made out of fiberglass. Like they've been doing with the Corvette (USA! USA!) for several decades now.

But fiberglass is rigid, like metal. What the BMW guys are looking at is what options you have with a "fluid" covering.

404 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:08:14am
405 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:08:15am

re: #391 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Best building in NYC, bar none.

I agree. I still gawp at it every time I go there.

406 realwest  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:08:19am

re: #390 Shiplord Kirel
Spoilsport! Facts, facts, facts. Geez.

407 rlevitin  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:08:21am

The threat of Israel Apartheid Week and what it has become

Please watch that video, and the other stuff by y2fef on YouTube.

He is Ben Feferman, director of Hasbara Fellowships in Ontario. He has been on the frontline in the fight against IAW and has plenty of excellent footage from York University.

A lot of it is chilling to the bone.

408 tfc3rid  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:09:13am

re: #376 realwest

Ah, finally a question I can answer - yes, he took his lovely wife of 25 years on a month's long trip to their "homeland" or at least from whence his ancestors came!
I suspect he'll be back enlightening all of us on things economic and sports in another two weeks or so!

Ahhh, good to know...

How are you this morning my friend?

409 laZardo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:09:30am

re: #359 vxbush

CURSE YOU, CHRIS BANGLE.

/Transportation Design major.

410 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:10:07am

re: #393 vxbush

The claim made at the beginning of the video is that the metal covering the car frame isn't what protects you. It's the frame itself.

I wonder. From the actual change-in-velocity of the crash itself? Sure, it's the frame. But what about all the crap flying around at the moment of the crash - the shrapnel, so to speak? I'd rather have a sheet of steel between me and that stuff, than a piece of fabric.

411 realwest  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:10:11am

re: #392 Village Idiot's Apprentice Um, if Karradine says it's ok, drop me a line and I'll send it to you!

412 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:10:12am

re: #379 godfrey

So you can basically pamphlet our troops on the field with propaganda and hide behind free speech law?

That does not sound like it should be right, does it?

413 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:10:41am

re: #359 vxbush

Morning, everyone. I did a quick check here and didn't see anyone discussing the cloth-covered BMW. It's a concept car, so don't freak out about issues involving accidents, bird poop, etc. But the video is veeeery interesting.

Chris Bangle? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

If, like me, you think some of the recent BMWs look just plain weird, the person to blame is Chris Bangle.

414 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:10:56am

1930s-era WACO biplanes at a 2002 fly-in. (All of these are fabric-covered)

415 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:11:24am

re: #410 Occasional Reader

I wonder. From the actual change-in-velocity of the crash itself? Sure, it's the frame. But what about all the crap flying around at the moment of the crash - the shrapnel, so to speak? I'd rather have a sheet of steel between me and that stuff, than a piece of fabric.

Then you better buy a car from the 60's or earlier when they still made them out of good steel. Used to have a caddy that you could drive into a stone wall and the only thing that would get hurt is the wall. They don't make them like that anymore.

416 realwest  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:12:06am

re: #393 vxbush Yep I noted that it's a concept car and read Shiplord's "facts" about steel, but I gotta tell ya, myth or no myth, I'd rather have steel or some sort of composite material around me than cloth.
Call me silly, but that's how I feel about it!

417 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:13:38am

re: #398 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

It wouls seem rather easy to break in - a pair of pinking shears & the car is gone!

Did you notice it is made out of heavy duty lycra? Ever try to get out of a girdle?

418 realwest  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:13:44am

re: #399 vxbush
"So it's not as farfetched as some may think. [sneaks a look at RealWest]"

Thibbbit!

419 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:13:51am

re: #407 rlevitin

At 1:24 in the video there's a guy wearing Rachael Ray's scarf.

420 opnion  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:13:59am

The morning newspaper has an article about Obama visiting Barnes Jewish Hospital in St. Louis yesterday.
While in a supply room with a nurse, identified as Kate Marzluf, Obama confided that he is a bit skitish about some of the hospital porcedures, saying some make him "faint" just thinking about them. "You're not drawing any blood,are you?" he asked.
Hail to the Chief?

421 laZardo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:14:13am

re: #407 rlevitin

It's not so much the fact that that sort of stuff is chilling.

It's the possibility that by the time I'm an adult and in the process of passing on my knowledge to the next generation, that sort of stuff will be the established truth.

/resigning myself to fate...

422 HDrepub  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:14:13am

re: #404 taxfreekiller

Dune buggy's have no cover at all,

just wear a rain coat.

My Harley has no cover either. I always have a rain suit in the saddle bags.

423 infidelia  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:14:23am

re: #360 MandyManners

Kooks who get on The View.

Read his Myspace page.

Oh hell, there's a bunch of familiar names in there. At least one legitimate weirdo currently holding a high-level position. Nasty customer but can't find his ass in a roomful of mirrors.

Question to MD: if they're so damn powerful, why are we looking at the possible disaster of an Obama presidency? Why hasn't Bush and his henchmen silenced all criticism, imposed martial law, staged more attacks, assassinated scores of opponents, and shipped your sorry ass to a gulag somewhere? Why is the government being infiltrated by Islamist sympathizers when these conspiratists are supposed to be so damn powerful?

424 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:14:50am

re: #415 galloping granny

Then you better buy a car from the 60's or earlier when they still made them out of good steel. Used to have a caddy that you could drive into a stone wall and the only thing that would get hurt is the wall. They don't make them like that anymore.

In general, cars are MUCH safer now than the were in the 60s or earlier. I mean, MUCH safer. The whole "crumple zone" concept really does work; sure, it wrecks the car frame, but it protects the people. A whole lot of engineering has gone into making cars safer.

425 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:14:58am

re: #416 realwest

Yep I noted that it's a concept car and read Shiplord's "facts" about steel, but I gotta tell ya, myth or no myth, I'd rather have steel or some sort of composite material around me than cloth.
Call me silly, but that's how I feel about it!

morning realwest,

picture of that new car.

[Link: dave.zfx.com...]

426 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:15:02am
427 vxbush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:15:25am

re: #410 Occasional Reader

I wonder. From the actual change-in-velocity of the crash itself? Sure, it's the frame. But what about all the crap flying around at the moment of the crash - the shrapnel, so to speak? I'd rather have a sheet of steel between me and that stuff, than a piece of fabric.

But I could see that fabric manufacturing could be farther advanced than we realize at times. I could see a fabric that is strong enough to cause the specs to bounce back, rather than cut through the metal.

Like I said: concept car. Imagine the possibilities. Or, just rip it to shreds. That's cool.

428 HDrepub  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:15:30am

re: #417 galloping granny

Did you notice it is made out of heavy duty lycra? Ever try to get out of a girdle?

No but I've tried to get a few girls out of one way back in the day when they still wore them. The 60s chastity belt, sort of.

429 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:15:49am

re: #416 realwest

Yep I noted that it's a concept car and read Shiplord's "facts" about steel, but I gotta tell ya, myth or no myth, I'd rather have steel or some sort of composite material around me than cloth.
Call me silly, but that's how I feel about it!

I'm not advocating a fabric-covered car, since I can't figure a way around the break-in hazard. Aircraft fabric is quite easy to cut, which is a very good thing if you are in a hurry to get out, say, if the thing is upside down in a field and starting to smolder.
The car is an interesting thought experiment, though, and may lead to some new method of producing really rigid materials, perhaps using the fabric as a base for some sort of spray-on polymer. This would be the doping idea taken to its logical conclusion.

430 rlevitin  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:16:03am

re: #419 Who Watches the Watchmen?

At 1:24 in the video there's a guy wearing Rachael Ray's scarf.

There are a lot of them...

I'm @ McMaster University and last year we managed to get the administration to do SOMETHING about it, but after the Palestinian student groups held a forum on free speech and then rally (you saw a small part of the footage), the administration back-tracked on it.

They brought in a whole group of agitators from 3 of the big Toronto Universities. All sponsored by CUPE (the government union here). It is sickening what they do.

431 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:16:06am

Morning Lizards.

Seattle Mayor Greg (Santa's gonna' drown when the North Pole melts) Nickels and feel good executive order.

Seattle gun ban ordered drawn up by Mayor Greg Nickels

After a shooting at the Northwest Folklife festival injured three people, Mayor Greg Nickels will prohibit guns at Seattle Center, parks, community centers and city-run buildings.

On Monday, Nickels announced he had signed an executive order, which does not require City Council approval, directing employees to draft a plan in 30 days to create a "gun-free policy" on city property. He has not set a date for the prohibition to take effect.

1) State Law prohibits local ordinances from superseding state law regarding gun restrictions.

2) The ban has no teeth, officers will ask people carrying legally to leave, but can do nothing if the individual refuses.

Seattle Democrats are about as useful as tits on a boar.

432 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:16:15am

re: #415 galloping granny

Then you better buy a car from the 60's or earlier when they still made them out of good steel. Used to have a caddy that you could drive into a stone wall and the only thing that would get hurt is the wall. They don't make them like that anymore.

Except you might end up with a steering column through the chest. Break-aways came post-'60's.

So-called "crumple zones" are also relatively new, and focus the energy of the crash into deforming material in a planned fashion. This avoids having things like the engine in your lap after a crash.

Smaller cars are on the whole more dangerous, since concrete hasn't changed and neither have 18-wheelers. However, the technology and safety features are actually a good deal better than more steel.

433 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:16:57am

re: #417 galloping granny

Did you notice it is made out of heavy duty lycra? Ever try to get out of a girdle?

Not yet, but I haven't exercised since high school gym class.

434 alegrias  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:17:06am

re: #420 opnion

The morning newspaper has an article about Obama visiting Barnes Jewish Hospital in St. Louis yesterday.
While in a supply room with a nurse, identified as Kate Marzluf, Obama confided that he is a bit skitish about some of the hospital porcedures, saying some make him "faint" just thinking about them. "You're not drawing any blood,are you?" he asked.
Hail to the Chief?

* * *
Well, you DO remember Rev. Wright's notions about what the government did to folks with syringes.

435 rlevitin  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:17:10am

re: #419 Who Watches the Watchmen?

At 1:24 in the video there's a guy wearing Rachael Ray's scarf.

I also really hate the whole mainstreaming thing cause now whenever i see one, I never know if its for fashion or politics. It's just plain creepy.

436 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:17:22am

re: #420 opnion

The morning newspaper has an article about Obama visiting Barnes Jewish Hospital in St. Louis yesterday.
While in a supply room with a nurse, identified as Kate Marzluf, Obama confided that he is a bit skitish about some of the hospital porcedures, saying some make him "faint" just thinking about them. "You're not drawing any blood,are you?" he asked.
Hail to the Chief?

He's just flirting.

437 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:17:25am

re: #424 Occasional Reader

In general, cars are MUCH safer now than the were in the 60s or earlier. I mean, MUCH safer. The whole "crumple zone" concept really does work; sure, it wrecks the car frame, but it protects the people. A whole lot of engineering has gone into making cars safer.

I've got to tell you, I buy that about cars built in the 70s and 80s, but not so much before the time that they started building cars out of recycled steel in the late 60s/early 70s.

438 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:17:53am

re: #427 vxbush

Or, just rip it to shreds.

Well, it is made of cloth...

439 realwest  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:18:22am

re: #408 tfc3rid Hey, I'm doing ok - had an ungodly hour of the morning with my dentist already, but other than falling asleep here - in spite of two cups of coffee - I'm doing ok.
BTW, McCain's not stupid - Bloomberg wants to hold higher office and has lots of bucks - I mean LOTS OF BUCKS - so danglin' the possibility of a VP in front of him isn't so dumb, long as he gets some of those BIG BUCKS (what's Bloomie worth these days - 3 - 5 Billion?) and doesn't wind up making him his VP.

440 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:18:33am

re: #414 Shiplord Kirel

1930s-era WACO biplanes at a 2002 fly-in. (All of these are fabric-covered)

Then of course there was the Waco CG-4A glider, as used on D-Day. I got to tour the Silent Wings museum about 20 years ago, that used to be in Terrell (Texas), at the municipal airport. It's now where you are, in Lubbock.

Terrell Municipal Airport is also where RAF pilots trained during WWII. Several RAF pilots that died in training accidents are buried in Oakland Cemetery in Terrell. Also, after the war, a few of the pilots that trained in Terrell returned to Terrell, to marry local girls, and settle there.

441 alegrias  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:18:55am

re: #424 Occasional Reader

In general, cars are MUCH safer now than the were in the 60s or earlier. I mean, MUCH safer. The whole "crumple zone" concept really does work; sure, it wrecks the car frame, but it protects the people. A whole lot of engineering has gone into making cars safer.

* * *
Thank Ralph Nader, now nuts, but formerly an auto safety visionary.

442 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:19:27am

re: #426 taxfreekiller


"recommending that the I-69/Trans-Texas Corridor Project be developed using existing highway facilities wherever possible." This is a tremendous victory for opponents of the TTC and especially property owners who were in the path of the original 1,200-foot corridor.


Good for the home owners,
but Mexico could march an invading army up those roads..

Wait a min.
They already did that, didn't they?

443 infidelia  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:19:33am

re: #415 galloping granny

Then you better buy a car from the 60's or earlier when they still made them out of good steel. Used to have a caddy that you could drive into a stone wall and the only thing that would get hurt is the wall. They don't make them like that anymore.

That is true. Family used to have an Olds like that. One reason we could drive around without seat belts without facing certain death is that the cars were made like that.

444 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:19:39am

Fabric covered? PAH!

I want CHANGE! Fossil fuel free.

NUCLEAR POWERED CAR!

YES WE CAN!

445 realwest  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:19:54am

re: #414 Shiplord Kirel
Um, yeah, ok but aircraft development has moved FORWARD since then; wonder why BMW thinks it should move backwards?

446 infidelia  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:20:29am

re: #434 alegrias

* * *
Well, you DO remember Rev. Wright's notions about what the government did to folks with syringes.

Ask any lab tech and they'll tell you it's the guys who faint at the blood drawings, heh.

447 vxbush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:20:35am

re: #438 Occasional Reader

Well, it is made of cloth...

Congratulations! You got the pun.

I've been in more car accidents than I care to recall. My last one (where the son was also hurt) was rather amazing in that I should have been a lot more hurt than I was, considering it was a side impact at high velocity. Any improvement in the car that protects the passengers is fine by me. With my history, I care more for car safety than car looks.

448 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:20:55am

re: #445 realwest

Um, yeah, ok but aircraft development has moved FORWARD since then; wonder why BMW thinks it should move backwards?

Image Peace Scarf Cars!

449 laZardo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:21:09am

re: #441 alegrias

* * *
Thank Ralph Nader, now nuts, but formerly an auto safety visionary.

My thoughts on his most famous achievement...

450 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:21:26am

re: #428 HDrepub

No but I've tried to get a few girls out of one way back in the day when they still wore them. The 60s chastity belt, sort of.

They are wearing them again. Calling them "body shapers" or something like that. Found one of my girls in one. "This isn't a girdle Ma - I wouldn't wear a girdle." Riiight!

451 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:21:30am

re: #437 galloping granny

I've got to tell you, I buy that about cars built in the 70s and 80s, but not so much before the time that they started building cars out of recycled steel in the late 60s/early 70s.

One of the beauties of steel is recyclability. The chemistries are well-established, and impurities almost remove themselves.

Not to say there's no such thing as cheap steel. Look at your computer. Guaranteed minimum-grade sheet metal, but adequate for the task.

452 laZardo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:21:37am

re: #444 jcm

You're all for nukes on wheels!?

/////

453 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:21:52am

re: #445 realwest

Um, yeah, ok but aircraft development has moved FORWARD since then; wonder why BMW thinks it should move backwards?

I'm sure it has something to do with "climate change" or "Sustainable development." The who enviromentalist movement is like a race back to the Stone Age.

454 opnion  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:21:58am

re: #434 alegrias

* * *
Well, you DO remember Rev. Wright's notions about what the government did to folks with syringes.

That must explain it, because we know that Barry is a heroic figure.
A regular Horatio at the Bridge.

455 songbird  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:22:09am

re: #431 jcm

Morning Lizards.

Seattle Mayor Greg (Santa's gonna' drown when the North Pole melts) Nickels and feel good executive order.

Seattle gun ban ordered drawn up by Mayor Greg Nickels

1) State Law prohibits local ordinances from superseding state law regarding gun restrictions.

2) The ban has no teeth, officers will ask people carrying legally to leave, but can do nothing if the individual refuses.

Seattle Democrats are about as useful as tits on a boar.

Darn! And my son is moving there on Saturday!

/Proud Mama. Son got good job with MS

456 vxbush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:22:11am

re: #444 jcm

Fabric covered? PAH!

I want CHANGE! Fossil fuel free.

NUCLEAR POWERED CAR!

YES WE CAN!

Oh, sure. No problem driving around with a nuclear reactor under the hood--until someone front-ends you. Then you have a nice little area we call Mini-Three Mile Island.

457 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:22:38am

re: #442 ibmkeyboard

Good for the home owners,
but Mexico could march an invading army up those roads..

Wait a min.
They already did that, didn't they?

ROADS? We don't need no steenkin' roads!

458 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:22:44am

re: #437 galloping granny

I've got to tell you, I buy that about cars built in the 70s and 80s, but not so much before the time that they started building cars out of recycled steel in the late 60s/early 70s.

Actually, they tend to use BETTER steel (although less of it) now than they did way back when; ATS-34 and other high-tensile-strength, rust-resistant steels that hadn't even been invented yet back then. A 1950's model car, if brought out as a new model today, probably could not even be certified as street-legal, due to safety issues.

459 alegrias  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:23:09am

re: #439 realwest

Hey, I'm doing ok - had an ungodly hour of the morning with my dentist already, but other than falling asleep here - in spite of two cups of coffee - I'm doing ok.
BTW, McCain's not stupid - Bloomberg wants to hold higher office and has lots of bucks - I mean LOTS OF BUCKS - so danglin' the possibility of a VP in front of him isn't so dumb, long as he gets some of those BIG BUCKS (what's Bloomie worth these days - 3 - 5 Billion?) and doesn't wind up making him his VP.


* * *
Bloomberg hosted a wild party that must have cost a pretty penny at one of Philadelphia's coolest restaurant/bars, Budakan, for McCain and McCainiacs during the 2000 Convention.

What happened to the love?

460 realwest  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:23:51am

re: #425 ibmkeyboard
Morning back atcha! And I loved that photo!
How've you been doing?

461 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:24:04am

re: #455 songbird

A new baby MicroSerf!

/

462 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:24:08am

re: #432 OldLineTexan

Except you might end up with a steering column through the chest. Break-aways came post-'60's.

So-called "crumple zones" are also relatively new, and focus the energy of the crash into deforming material in a planned fashion. This avoids having things like the engine in your lap after a crash.

Smaller cars are on the whole more dangerous, since concrete hasn't changed and neither have 18-wheelers. However, the technology and safety features are actually a good deal better than more steel.

1967 is when collapsible steering columns were first mandated by FMVSS (the specific one is FMVSS 204). I can still remember my '68 Pontiac Bonneville with the words "ENERGY ABSORBING" molded into the horn button.

463 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:24:10am

re: #456 vxbush

Oh,
sure. No problem driving around with a nuclear reactor under the
hood--until someone front-ends you. Then you have a nice little area we
call Mini-Three Mile Island.

"Why worry? Each of us is wearing an unlicensed nuclear accelerator on our backs."
Ghostbusters

464 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:24:32am

re: #443 infidelia

That is true. Family used to have an Olds like that. One reason we could drive around without seat belts without facing certain death is that the cars were made like that.

Ah, no.

The reason we drove around without seat belts was because we didn't know any better, not because 1950s or 60s cars somehow miraculously protected us from the effects of going from 60 to 0 in a quarter of a second.

465 rollingdivision  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:24:41am

Good morning all.

466 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:24:42am

re: #446 infidelia

Ask any lab tech and they'll tell you it's the guys who faint at the blood drawings, heh.

Anything to do with needles. Shots, blood, anything like that. And the bigger they are the harder and faster they fall.

467 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:25:00am

re: #456 vxbush

Oh, sure. No problem driving around with a nuclear reactor under the hood--until someone front-ends you. Then you have a nice little area we call Mini-Three Mile Island.

Those little sealed reactors are tough...we'll just use the leftover Russian satellite ones that drop in from time to time.

/

468 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:25:08am

re: #456 vxbush

Oh, sure. No problem driving around with a nuclear reactor under the hood--until someone front-ends you. Then you have a nice little area we call Mini-Three Mile Island.

Plus, the thing looks like a frickkin' ashtray!

469 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:25:12am

re: #458 Occasional Reader

Actually, they tend
to use BETTER steel (although less of it) now than they did way back
when; ATS-34 and other high-tensile-strength, rust-resistant steels
that hadn't even been invented yet back then. A 1950's model car, if
brought out as a new model today, probably could not even be certified
as street-legal, due to safety issues.

And fire doesn't melt today's steel.
/Rosie O'

470 songbird  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:25:38am

re: #461 OldLineTexan

A new baby MicroSerf!

/

LOL Yeah, and he will be making Three Times what I make as a teacher. And he doesn't even have a college degree! Heck, he'll be making more than my engineer husband!

471 vxbush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:25:46am

re: #455 songbird


/Proud Mama. Son got good job with MS

Congratulations to your son. (I pray he doesn't drink the Kool-aid there.)

472 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:25:52am

re: #447 vxbush

Congratulations! You got the pun.

I've been in more car accidents than I care to recall. My last one (where the son was also hurt) was rather amazing in that I should have been a lot more hurt than I was, considering it was a side impact at high velocity. Any improvement in the car that protects the passengers is fine by me. With my history, I care more for car safety than car looks.

The best thing we could do for auto safety is yank the drivers side air bag out. Then put a sharpened steel spike in the steering wheel aimed at the drivers chest. The driver will have a little more vested in driving safely!

/semi

Seriously driver training is lacking big time. They teach little more than rules of the road, enough to pass the test, and pointing the car down the road.

Skilled driving instruction is rare. The skill of real defensive driving, the skills of vehicle handling in emergencies are virtually non-existent.

473 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:26:32am

re: #452 laZardo

You're all for nukes on wheels!?

/////

HELL YEAH!

ATOMS FOR PEACE!

NO MORE OIL!

/

474 Village Idiot's Apprentice  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:26:37am

re: #411 realwest

Real
Check your e-mail please

475 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:27:03am

re: #462 Ward Cleaver

1967 is when collapsible steering columns were first mandated by FMVSS (the specific one is FMVSS 204). I can still remember my '68 Pontiac Bonneville with the words "ENERGY ABSORBING" molded into the horn button.

Thanks for the info. I just recall a friend at my first job that purchased an absolutely cherry 65 Mustang from an oldster that had bought it and used it as a "Sunday driver". The first thing he did was take it to the local Mustang specialty garage and have the steering column taken out as a safety measure.

476 infidelia  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:27:03am

re: #423 infidelia

Oh hell, there's a bunch of familiar names in there. At least one legitimate weirdo currently holding a high-level position. Nasty customer but can't find his ass in a roomful of mirrors.

Question to MD: if they're so damn powerful, why are we looking at the possible disaster of an Obama presidency? Why hasn't Bush and his henchmen silenced all criticism, imposed martial law, staged more attacks, assassinated scores of opponents, and shipped your sorry ass to a gulag somewhere? Why is the government being infiltrated by Islamist sympathizers when these conspiratists are supposed to be so damn powerful?

Plus the other thing that drives me nuts is that Dice obviously has only heard or read about the individual mentioned about or he'd know where the bugger is now and post it.

People will suck this stuff up and try to make something out of it that isn't there, but they'll stubbornly ignore the reality of resurgent Islam and the Caliphate/Mahdi delusions motivating lunatics like Ahmadinejad.

477 laZardo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:27:21am

re: #473 jcm

What's wrong with you! America already has way too many nukes as it is! What next, our first international sales of those cars will be in Palestine?!

/

478 alegrias  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:27:34am

Did you all see where Donald Rumsfeld bought himself an Italian VESPA motorcycle to tool around? Maybe it's out of joy that Berlusconi's back in the saddle again, I'm speculating.

What a cool guy.

479 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:27:44am

re: #472 jcm

The
best thing we could do for auto safety is yank the drivers side air bag
out. Then put a sharpened steel spike in the steering wheel aimed at
the drivers chest. The driver will have a little more vested in driving
safely!

/semi

Seriously driver training is lacking big
time. They teach little more than rules of the road, enough to pass the
test, and pointing the car down the road.

Skilled driving
instruction is rare. The skill of real defensive driving, the skills of
vehicle handling in emergencies are virtually non-existent.

Car-driving video games fill in those gaps.
/only half-kidding. A friend of mine nearly got into a serious accident, but avoided any damage, he's certain it's because he spent so much time playing driving games.

480 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:27:48am

re: #447 vxbush

Congratulations! You got the pun.

I've been in more car accidents than I care to recall. My last one (where the son was also hurt) was rather amazing in that I should have been a lot more hurt than I was, considering it was a side impact at high velocity. Any improvement in the car that protects the passengers is fine by me. With my history, I care more for car safety than car looks.

Modern cars are quite amazing at protecting passengers. Like I said, they have come a long, long way in this area.

481 HDrepub  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:27:50am

re: #450 galloping granny

They are wearing them again. Calling them "body shapers" or something like that. Found one of my girls in one. "This isn't a girdle Ma - I wouldn't wear a girdle." Riiight!

Something I would know nothing about now. I raised two sons so I only know "hard ankle" stuff.

482 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:28:14am

re: #455 songbird

Darn! And my son is moving there on Saturday!

/Proud Mama. Son got good job with MS

Good for him. Screw Nickel bags. WA is a shall issue State for concealed carry if he is so inclined.

483 vxbush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:28:22am

re: #472 jcm

The best thing we could do for auto safety is yank the drivers side air bag out. Then put a sharpened steel spike in the steering wheel aimed at the drivers chest. The driver will have a little more vested in driving safely!

/semi

OUCH.

Seriously driver training is lacking big time. They teach little more than rules of the road, enough to pass the test, and pointing the car down the road.

Skilled driving instruction is rare. The skill of real defensive driving, the skills of vehicle handling in emergencies are virtually non-existent.

Well, there's much to be said for that. We know that if you handle a gun, you need training. Why we think we don't need training for moving a 2000-pound vehicle at high speeds is beyond me. Both can kill quite easily.

484 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:28:26am

re: #464 Occasional Reader

Ah, no.

The reason we drove around without seat belts was because we didn't know any better, not because 1950s or 60s cars somehow miraculously protected us from the effects of going from 60 to 0 in a quarter of a second.

Right you are. After Dad had seatbelts installed in the '62 Falcon (because the '64 Pontiac landyacht had them), it was "click it or get smacked".

485 songbird  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:28:52am

re: #479 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Car-driving video games fill in those gaps.
/only half-kidding. A friend of mine nearly got into a serious accident, but avoided any damage, he's certain it's because he spent so much time playing driving games.

Driving games? Like Road Rash? :D

486 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:29:18am

re: #456 vxbush

Oh, sure. No problem driving around with a nuclear reactor under the hood--until someone front-ends you. Then you have a nice little area we call Mini-Three Mile Island.

Minor details! Slap a big radiological symbol on that puppy on more tailgating!

/

487 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:29:29am

re: #460 realwest

Morning back atcha! And I loved that photo!
How've you been doing?

My freaking body made it until 61,
now just as I can retire, I am falling apart.
freaking teeth are falling out- Arthritis is filling in all the holes and broken bones.. Shit.

I need another dose of Agent Orange to get me back in shape.

488 LeftJustAintRight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:29:44am

Nuke cars would let the Islamicnuts have a drive by dirty bomb jihad style

489 HDrepub  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:29:50am

re: #464 Occasional Reader

Ah, no.

The reason we drove around without seat belts was because we didn't know any better, not because 1950s or 60s cars somehow miraculously protected us from the effects of going from 60 to 0 in a quarter of a second.


Exactly.
It ain't the speed that kills but the sudden stop that renders the flesh from the bone.----- Dave Gardner

490 infidelia  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:30:12am

re: #464 Occasional Reader

Ah, no.

The reason we drove around without seat belts was because we didn't know any better, not because 1950s or 60s cars somehow miraculously protected us from the effects of going from 60 to 0 in a quarter of a second.

Amended to specify that it was usually harder on the smaller models than the big "tanks". And I'm a major seat belt fan having been saved twice by them.

491 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:30:26am
492 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:30:55am

re: #488 LeftJustAintRight

Nuke cars would let the Islamicnuts have a drive by dirty bomb jihad style

It might cut down on the Palestinian national pastime (Car-Swarms).

493 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:30:57am

re: #472 jcm

The skill of real defensive driving, the skills of vehicle handling in emergencies

You're way too ambitious; let's start with "the skill of not yammering on your cellphone to the exclusion of all else while driving" and "the skill of understanding that that funny-looking stalk next to the steering column is called a 'turn signal', and there's a reason for the name".

494 laZardo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:31:10am

re: #488 LeftJustAintRight

Don't ever leak the blueprints though. This way they'll have quite a few serious "work accidents."

495 infidelia  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:31:18am

re: #478 alegrias

Did you all see where Donald Rumsfeld bought himself an Italian VESPA motorcycle to tool around? Maybe it's out of joy that Berlusconi's back in the saddle again, I'm speculating.

What a cool guy.

Somebody else does know the why is the moped like a fat girl joke or do I have to be the one?

496 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:31:23am

re: #445 realwest

Um, yeah, ok but aircraft development has moved FORWARD since then; wonder why BMW thinks it should move backwards?

It isn't necessarily backwards, any more than kevlar fabric is backwards compared to steel for body armor. It is something that is proven to work. Textile chemistry and manufacturing have also moved forward a great deal since the 30s, arguably more than the metallurgy of steel or aluminum. The vintage planes in the pictures were originally covered with doped linen or cotton. The current covering is usually a fabric called ceconite, and it could just as well be kevlar or some other advanced textile if there were any need for that.

497 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:31:25am

re: #491 taxfreekiller

Re: the fire at the Texas Gov's mansion:
Some say arson.
I say suicide.

498 turn  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:31:46am

Morning all,

Just reading some of the great Lizard comments over at "Seeing the Forest for the Trees" (with a name like that is Dave Johnson delusional or what?) and one post really stood out as short but sweet:

"Whenever logic and reason are brought to the table, the Left deflects with irrational emotional nonsense. Conspiracy theories start flying when the going gets tough."

Classic. Now back to work.

499 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:32:04am

re: #495 infidelia

I know - my first thought too.

500 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:32:06am

re: #437 galloping granny

I've got to tell you, I buy that about cars built in the 70s and 80s, but not so much before the time that they started building cars out of recycled steel in the late 60s/early 70s.

News flash, they have used recycled steel for a much longer time than that. Steel does not lose any integrity just because it gets melted down and turned into new steel.

Give me a modern car with crumple zones, side impact beams, and modern 3-point pre-tensioned seat belts any day over one without them.

501 jill e  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:32:10am

The 150 year flood came back to Des Moines 135 years early!

502 vxbush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:32:14am

re: #493 Occasional Reader

You're way too ambitious; let's start with "the skill of not yammering on your cellphone to the exclusion of all else while driving" and "the skill of understanding that that funny-looking stalk next to the steering column is called a 'turn signal', and there's a reason for the name".

Hear hear! Mandatory turn signal training!

503 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:32:36am

Good morning!

How about that Hymen?

"My Virginity is Worth More Than My Life".
Nuance!

504 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:32:56am

re: #373 Occasional Reader

I stand corrected. After reading about this guy, I'd say; get the thorzaine darts and giant butterfly net.

Sorry to take this long to respond but, the hamster went nuts when I gave him a carrot and escaped. Little booger is fast, I tell ya'.

I wonder if Mark Dice is his real name. I've looked for a literary and cinematic reference and have found neither.

505 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:33:07am

re: #489 HDrepub

Exactly.
It ain't the speed that kills but the sudden stop that renders the flesh from the bone.----- Dave Gardner

Or, more succinctly:

Speed doesn't kill. Speed differential kills.

506 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:33:20am

re: #501 jill e

The 150 year flood came back to Des Moines 135 years early!

George Bush hates towns with French names.

507 HDrepub  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:33:32am

re: #497 OldLineTexan

Re: the fire at the Texas Gov's mansion:
Some say arson.
I say suicide.


I wondered just now what you and tfk's ideas about that were.

508 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:33:46am

re: #378 Sunlight

I didn't notice one bit of slamming by the NYT reporter in that story.

509 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:33:48am

re: #483 vxbush

Well, there's much to be said for that. We know that if you handle a gun, you need training. Why we think we don't need training for moving a 2000-pound vehicle at high speeds is beyond me. Both can kill quite easily.

Yep! I've never understood why if I step in the middle of the street fire my gun down the street and kill someone, I'll get 20 years. Hop in my car launch my self down the street and kill someone, I'll get 5 years.

I've been both a instructor for driver fire engines, and taken police driving courses. I've been driving 35 years and been in 2 collisions, both times I got whacked while I was sitting still.

510 realwest  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:33:57am

re: #464 Occasional Reader True, true but I think one of the most important advances in auto safety was the anti-lock braking system. Which will correct you're all too human tendancy to stand on the brakes in certain situations where that is the WRONG thing to do.
No lie, ABS saved my life twice - both times on rain slicked roads with idjits in front of me driving their SUV's waaay faster than was safe for the road conditions. Guess they didn't know that four wheel drive doesn't mean stops faster!

511 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:34:21am

Meanwhile, Mayor Mike Bloomberg has come out saying he wants to see energy taxes raised even more than they are now. How about calling those taxes windfall profits for the government - rather than mere taxes. Because that's what they are.

The government doesn't deserve to take 'em. And raising taxes even more would bring the economy to a standstill rather quickly. The current market influences on energy prices is resulting a gradual change of behavior - from buying smaller vehicles, to changed driving habits, all of which are being done without odious and onerous government policies that would whack taxpayers hard.

512 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:34:22am

re: #473 jcm

HELL YEAH!

ATOMS FOR PEACE!

NO MORE OIL!

/

And it will save on funeral bills.

Fatal car wreck.
They can just bury the accident with me still in the car.

513 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:34:31am
514 eaglewingz08  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:34:33am

These critics of the Obamanation's website are probably not "Obama Supporters" but rightwing redneck bible thumping bitter xenophobic gun toting cousin marrying troublemakers, trying to discredit the Obamessiah and his website's crack cybernauts./huffpo.

515 realwest  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:34:43am

re: #510 realwest
PIMF: your.

516 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:34:46am

re: #504 MandyManners

Sorry
to take this long to respond but, the hamster went nuts when I gave him
a carrot and escaped. Little booger is fast, I tell ya'.

I wonder if Mark Dice is his real name. I've looked for a literary and cinematic reference and have found neither.

He may be related to Andrew Dice-Clay.

517 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:34:49am

re: #493 Occasional Reader

You're way too ambitious; let's start with "the skill of not yammering on your cellphone to the exclusion of all else while driving" and "the skill of understanding that that funny-looking stalk next to the steering column is called a 'turn signal', and there's a reason for the name".

ROFLMAO!

Very true!

518 jill e  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:35:09am

All the bridges downtown are closed off and the water is expected to go over most of them...more heavy rain today...

519 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:35:26am

re: #512 ibmkeyboard

And it will save on funeral bills.

Fatal car wreck.
They can just bury the accident with me still in the car.

The survivors too!
/

520 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:36:26am

re: #505 Occasional Reader

Exactly - and that's how and why many sports car drivers in NASCAR or IRC can walk away from incredible crashes - because they've got technologies in place that make it a possibility. A generation ago, some of those crashes would have been fatal. It doesn't mean that you've completely eliminated the risk, but you've reduced it tremendously.

521 Golem Akbar  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:36:26am

Good morning! Well now, what's been happening? /Is Hillary president, yet? What? Oh that can't be....

522 vxbush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:37:03am

re: #509 jcm

Yep! I've never understood why if I step in the middle of the street fire my gun down the street and kill someone, I'll get 20 years. Hop in my car launch my self down the street and kill someone, I'll get 5 years.

I've been both a instructor for driver fire engines, and taken police driving courses. I've been driving 35 years and been in 2 collisions, both times I got whacked while I was sitting still.

In my case, someone ran a red light and slammed into us "at a high rate of speed," according to the police report. Years earlier, my car hit a slick spot and slid into a ravine upside down. My husband and I switched places in the car. Not sure how. Broke my nose.

523 HDrepub  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:37:04am

re: #518 jill e

All the bridges downtown are closed off and the water is expected to go over most of them...more heavy rain today...

Down here below the path of the jet stream we are beginning to need some rain. Not drought yet, but we're working on it looks like.

524 realwest  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:37:08am

re: #474 Village Idiot's Apprentice Um, I did and nothing's there!
I'll check again in a minute or so!

525 bosforus  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:37:28am

re: #493 Occasional Reader

You're way too ambitious; let's start with "the skill of not yammering on your cellphone to the exclusion of all else while driving" and "the skill of understanding that that funny-looking stalk next to the steering column is called a 'turn signal', and there's a reason for the name".

If I go north and approach a 4-way or 2-way stop and you're traveling south and approached the 4-way stop a second or two before me and want to turn left...DON'T WAIT FOR ME TO GO STRAIGHT JUST SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO TURN IN FRONT OF ME! YOU WERE THERE FIRST! TURN ALREADY AND GET IT OVER WITH! I don't go forward for people who think they're being nice and try to wave me through. My friend taught me a nice trick to avoid that, stop 10 feet before the stop sign in anticipation of the hyper-kindness and proceed through the intersection.

526 laZardo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:38:11am

Just went downstairs to get some water. My bros are watching Attack of the Show and I can now say with utmost certainty that the age of the intellectual is coming to an end where laughing gas dulls the pain.

527 yesandno  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:38:33am

re: #13 freetoken

Lots of interesting quotes attributed to William Blake. One to ponder, especially while eating your waffles, is:


Every harlot was a virgin once.

And more then one was a virgin more then once!

528 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:38:38am

re: #464 Occasional Reader

Ah, no.

The reason we drove around without seat belts was because we didn't know any better, not because 1950s or 60s cars somehow miraculously protected us from the effects of going from 60 to 0 in a quarter of a second.

And not only that, safety glass didn't even come into use on most cars until after WWII. It's that wonderful glass that pebbles rather than making large shards when it breaks. Used to kill a lot of people who'd get glass shards in them before that.

Some pictures of early auto accidents (may not be for the faint of heart).

529 vxbush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:39:38am

re: #525 bosforus

If I go north and approach a 4-way or 2-way stop and you're traveling south and approached the 4-way stop a second or two before me and want to turn left...DON'T WAIT FOR ME TO GO STRAIGHT JUST SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO TURN IN FRONT OF ME! YOU WERE THERE FIRST! TURN ALREADY AND GET IT OVER WITH! I don't go forward for people who think they're being nice and try to wave me through. My friend taught me a nice trick to avoid that, stop 10 feet before the stop sign in anticipation of the hyper-kindness and proceed through the intersection.

Here's the next great technology idea:

Someone should produce a system that checks to see who arrived first at an intersection and hook it up with a set of lights on the stop signs. When it's your turn to go, you get the light on your stop sign--, more conveniently, the light on the back of the stop sign across from you. No more arguing about who should go next!

Think of it as a stop-light stop sign.

530 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:39:59am

re: #511 lawhawk

Meanwhile, Mayor Mike Bloomberg has come out saying he wants to see energy taxes raised even more than they are now. How about calling those taxes windfall profits for the government - rather than mere taxes. Because that's what they are.

The government doesn't deserve to take 'em. And raising taxes even more would bring the economy to a standstill rather quickly. The current market influences on energy prices is resulting a gradual change of behavior - from buying smaller vehicles, to changed driving habits, all of which are being done without odious and onerous government policies that would whack taxpayers hard.

Why don't these dolts get CORPORATIONS DON'T PAY TAXES! Sure they might cut the friggin' check. But it's a cost of doing business, payroll, materials, buidling costs, the power bill, TAXES all add to the cost of the product. Raising taxes will only raise the cost of the product, NOTHING MORE! Up side for the tax dolts is the product cost more, making it got taxed plus they get the sales tax on the inflated price.

Bloomberg needs a ECON101 text book, preferable one written by Locke shoved up his #%%!

531 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:40:05am
532 realwest  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:40:15am

re: #487 ibmkeyboard
ROFLMAO! Hey, I'm 63, think how I feel! BTW, didja get any of that Agent Orange (in our AO it was Purple Haze) settlement dough? Know anyone who did?

533 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:40:56am

re: #423 infidelia

Oh hell, there's a bunch of familiar names in there. At least one legitimate weirdo currently holding a high-level position. Nasty customer but can't find his ass in a roomful of mirrors.

Question to MD: if they're so damn powerful, why are we looking at the possible disaster of an Obama presidency? Why hasn't Bush and his henchmen silenced all criticism, imposed martial law, staged more attacks, assassinated scores of opponents, and shipped your sorry ass to a gulag somewhere? Why is the government being infiltrated by Islamist sympathizers when these conspiratists are supposed to be so damn powerful?

I saw Alex Jones and Texe Marrs. (No David Icke--is he too nuts for him?) Texe's page links to Luap Nor. It also links to this which DOES link to Icke.

534 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:40:58am

re: #444 jcm

Fabric covered? PAH!

I want CHANGE! Fossil fuel free.

NUCLEAR POWERED CAR!

YES WE CAN!


I posted about the Nucleon on another site just the other day. The context was a discussion of the alleged hazards of using what are essentially cell-phone batteries to power the Tesla electric car. My comment? "Hey, it could be worse."

I remember reading somewhere that Ford also showed a model of a nuclear powered TANK around the same time. It looked something like an M-4 Sherman with a lengthened rear deck. Even in those nuke-mad days, the army was able to identify a couple of insurmountable drawbacks and rejected the idea out of hand.

535 laZardo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:41:12am

re: #528 Honorary Yooper

I could slap the word "PWNED" on so many of those pictures...

536 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:41:32am

re: #516 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

He may be related to Andrew Dice-Clay.

I'm gonna' look.

537 rlevitin  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:41:43am

re: #421 laZardo

It's not so much the fact that that sort of stuff is chilling.

It's the possibility that by the time I'm an adult and in the process of passing on my knowledge to the next generation, that sort of stuff will be the established truth.

/resigning myself to fate...

Not if we have anything to do with it.

I am in the University system now, and as long as the Jewish students refuse to ignore Israel Apartheid Week as has happened in the past, I'm confident something can be done about it.

I honestly think the most effective (but also most difficult to implement) plan to stop it would be to SOMEHOW convince donors to the Universities to not provide money to those Universities which support this kind of activity. It's all about following the money.

538 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:41:45am

re: #513 buzzsawmonkey

hahhaha

Doesn't it go hymenahymenahymenaHA HA HA

539 laZardo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:41:47am

re: #534 Shiplord Kirel

In the end, they decided to save the nuke-plants for the seafaring vessels.

540 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:41:52am

re: #487 ibmkeyboard

My freaking body made it until 61,
now just as I can retire, I am falling apart.
freaking teeth are falling out- Arthritis is filling in all the holes and broken bones.. Shit.

I need another dose of Agent Orange to get me back in shape.

I asked my neighbor up the hill if he would like a couple of tomato plants, since I have dozens to spare. He tells me he can't eat tomatoes because of arthritis! (Never heard of such a thing.) Dear heavens, I would die first.

If you can lay hands on WiiFit, I have found it an immense help with the arthritis. Teeth - there is a clinic in South Carolina on the way to Florida that all the snowbirds stop at to get floaters.

541 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:41:54am
542 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:42:14am

re: #528 Honorary Yooper

Many of those cars don't look all that damaged, especially in comparison to today's wrecks, but that was part of the problem - they didn't deform and dissipate the energy from the crash. They instead transmitted it through to the occupants.

543 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:42:15am

re: #522 vxbush

In my case, someone ran a red light and slammed into us "at a high rate of speed," according to the police report. Years earlier, my car hit a slick spot and slid into a ravine upside down. My husband and I switched places in the car. Not sure how. Broke my nose.

I've been lucky in that regard. I've had some close calls, like the red light runners, but have always seen them in just enough time avoid a collision. Same with slick spots been in some hairy situations, but always managed to gather it back in (a couple required change of underwear).

544 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:42:50am

re: #516 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

He may be related to Andrew Dice-Clay.

Quick search yields no connections.

545 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:43:17am

re: #530 jcm

But, like, the big corporations, man, we should, like, make them pay for everything. 'Cause they're, like, big corporations, n' stuff.

546 vxbush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:43:20am

re: #535 laZardo

I could slap the word "PWNED" on so many of those pictures...

Unfortunately, one of them had damage almost identical to my car accident of '95. Nice to know technological advances help save lives.

547 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:44:10am

re: #518 jill e

All the bridges downtown are closed off and the water is expected to go over most of them...more heavy rain today...

Wish we had some of that rain.
without the floods.

hang in there..

548 alegrias  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:44:11am

Hmmm, Saudis covering all bases?

Saudi Arabia's lobbyists in DC, Qorvis Communications, has hired democrat Bill Richardson's former presidential campaign national press secretary Tom Reynolds as a director. Mr. Reynolds also worked as press secretary for prominent democrats Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) who recently said McCain had too much military experience to be president, and Rep. Jane Harman (D-Ca) former ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee.

[Link: www.qorvis.com...]

(noted in today's DC Examiner.com, On The Move section under communications)

549 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:44:46am

re: #534 Shiplord Kirel

I posted about the Nucleon on another site just the other day. The context was a discussion of the alleged hazards of using what are essentially cell-phone batteries to power the Tesla electric car. My comment? "Hey, it could be worse."

I remember reading somewhere that Ford also showed a model of a nuclear powered TANK around the same time. It looked something like an M-4 Sherman with a lengthened rear deck. Even in those nuke-mad days, the army was able to identify a couple of insurmountable drawbacks and rejected the idea out of hand.

My favorite was the nuclear jet engines. One was a SCRAM jet, air flowed over an exposed reactor core heated and provided thrust, the other had a reactor feed heated air into modified J79 engines. Both where actually made to life test bed runs.

550 HDrepub  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:44:56am

re: #529 vxbush

Here's the next great technology idea:

Someone should produce a system that checks to see who arrived first at an intersection and hook it up with a set of lights on the stop signs. When it's your turn to go, you get the light on your stop sign--, more conveniently, the light on the back of the stop sign across from you. No more arguing about who should go next!

Think of it as a stop-light stop sign.

I've noticed motorcycles don't seem to operate those traffic lights that use vehicle sensors for their operation.
We can run them where I live, with due care of course.
Legal to run a red light in TN
Motorcyclists can run red lights July 1
2003-06-07
The Associated Press

KNOXVILLE -- Beginning July 1, Tennessee motorcyclists can legally run red lights -- if they stop first and ``exercise due care'' -- under a bill signed into law by Gov. Phil Bredesen.

551 realwest  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:45:16am

re: #474 Village Idiot's Apprentice Received and forwarded as per your request my friend.
Hey, seriously, be safe out there - y'all only got what, two years to go to retirement?
And you can feel free to e-mail me anything at all!

552 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:45:20am

re: #534 Shiplord Kirel

I remember reading somewhere that Ford also showed a model of a nuclear powered TANK around the same time.

Ya gotta love the 50s and early 60s; they wanted to make EVERYTHING nuclear. The USAF also had a concept for a nuclear-powered bomber (and flew a small nuke plant on a conventional bomber as a test); they had nuclear mortar rounds, a nuclear bazooka shell, a nuclear air-to-air missile. The only thing missing was a nuclear hand grenade!

553 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:45:50am

re: #545 Occasional Reader

But, like, the big corporations, man, we should, like, make them pay for everything. 'Cause they're, like, big corporations, n' stuff.

I've got two guys here at work who rail against corporations. I shut them down with the same question. "Why are you working here?"

554 vxbush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:46:09am

re: #548 alegrias

Hmmm, Saudis covering all bases?

Saudi Arabia's lobbyists in DC, Qorvis Communications, has hired democrat Bill Richardson's former presidential campaign national press secretary Tom Reynolds as a director. Mr. Reynolds also worked as press secretary for prominent democrats Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) who recently said McCain had too much military experience to be president, and Rep. Jane Harman (D-Ca) former ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee.

[Link: www.qorvis.com...]

(noted in today's DC Examiner.com, On The Move section under communications)

I swear, sometimes I think DC is an enclosed bubble, with no intelligence going in and no idiots coming out.

555 bosforus  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:46:34am

re: #525 bosforus

re: #529 vxbush

That'd be pretty sweet. As someone who's dabbled in a bit of transportation engineering I could see how that could keep a lot of engineers busy for a while trying to develop that. Could be something just as simple as the video detection already in place at traffic lights, but you never know, a lot of frustrated hair could be pulled out on that one. :)

556 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:46:57am

re: #553 jcm

I've got two guys here at work who rail against corporations. I shut them down with the same question. "Why are you working here?"

And I assume all the products they use -e.g. the cars they drive - were made by local, communal workshops of grassroots artisans.

557 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:47:27am

re: #550 HDrepub

I've noticed motorcycles don't seem to operate those traffic lights that use vehicle sensors for their operation.
We can run them where I live, with due care of course.
Legal to run a red light in TN
Motorcyclists can run red lights July 1
2003-06-07
The Associated Press

KNOXVILLE -- Beginning July 1, Tennessee motorcyclists can legally run red lights -- if they stop first and ``exercise due care'' -- under a bill signed into law by Gov. Phil Bredesen.

Not enough metal to trip the induction coils in the payment. I like watches the guys who drive past the coils, stop and the cross walk, and get all pissed waiting for the light. A few time I've purposely stopped behind the coils with these guys to watch the fun.

558 vxbush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:47:32am

re: #550 HDrepub

I've noticed motorcycles don't seem to operate those traffic lights that use vehicle sensors for their operation.
We can run them where I live, with due care of course.
Legal to run a red light in TN
Motorcyclists can run red lights July 1
2003-06-07
The Associated Press

KNOXVILLE -- Beginning July 1, Tennessee motorcyclists can legally run red lights -- if they stop first and ``exercise due care'' -- under a bill signed into law by Gov. Phil Bredesen.

I remember my mother sitting at a red light in the middle of the night in the middle of town and wondering if she should try to run it, debating if a cop was waiting to write a ticket.

559 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:48:23am

re: #542 lawhawk

Many of those cars don't look all that damaged, especially in comparison to today's wrecks, but that was part of the problem - they didn't deform and dissipate the energy from the crash. They instead transmitted it through to the occupants.

Yep. There's a good chance someone died in many of those accident photos. There's a few of them where you can see the difference side-impact protection makes.

560 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:48:52am

re: #548 alegrias

Hmmm, Saudis covering all bases?

Saudi Arabia's lobbyists in DC, Qorvis Communications, has hired democrat Bill Richardson's former presidential campaign national press secretary Tom Reynolds as a director. Mr. Reynolds also worked as press secretary for prominent democrats Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) who recently said McCain had too much military experience to be president, and Rep. Jane Harman (D-Ca) former ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee.

[Link: www.qorvis.com...]

(noted in today's DC Examiner.com, On The Move section under communications)

Sounds to me like the Saudis figure the election is over.

561 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:49:20am
562 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:49:21am

re: #556 Occasional Reader

And I assume all the products they use -e.g. the cars they drive - were made by local, communal workshops of grassroots artisans.

BIG SILICON! Massive energy sucking silicon wafer fabrication, here and in China. Assembly plants, putting the chip in the little black package, in Philipines, Indonesia, and India.

563 vxbush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:49:23am

re: #560 galloping granny

Sounds to me like the Saudis figure the election is over.

That, or they are hedging their bets.

564 infidelia  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:49:28am

re: #504 MandyManners

Sorry to take this long to respond but, the hamster went nuts when I gave him a carrot and escaped. Little booger is fast, I tell ya'.

I wonder if Mark Dice is his real name. I've looked for a literary and cinematic reference and have found neither.

re: #533 MandyManners

I saw Alex Jones and Texe Marrs. (No David Icke--is he too nuts for him?) Texe's page links to Luap Nor. It also links to this which DOES link to Icke.

Uh, unfortunately I knew some of these people, the ones he named not just the ones he referenced. I got news for Mark. If he was right about this big all-powerful conspiracy he'd have been pushing up daisies for years now. Much of what he's got hold of has to do with cultie delusions, pimping for purposes of blackmail, sick experiments and religious hysteria of multiple varieties. It is depressing to be reminded of just how much craziness goes on within the circles of people who are supposed to be responsible for keeping us safe.

565 alegrias  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:49:39am

re: #540 galloping granny

I asked my neighbor up the hill if he would like a couple of tomato plants, since I have dozens to spare. He tells me he can't eat tomatoes because of arthritis! (Never heard of such a thing.) Dear heavens, I would die first.

If you can lay hands on WiiFit, I have found it an immense help with the arthritis. Teeth - there is a clinic in South Carolina on the way to Florida that all the snowbirds stop at to get floaters.

* * *
Granny, given recent tomato problems & shortages, you're a genius to have an oversupply! Hope you make a fortune.

Swimming is also great for arthritis joints to move with less gravity issues.

566 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:50:24am

re: #542 lawhawk

they didn't deform and dissipate the energy from the crash. They instead transmitted it through to the occupants.

just that sentence makes my head hurt..

Ouch.

567 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:50:42am
568 jorline  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:50:47am

good morning, lizards

569 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:50:50am

re: #530 jcm

Heck, even the NYS legislature and NYC city council recognized that giving tax breaks will get businesses to come to the City to work. That's what they did for the entertainment industry, and we're seeing a building boom.

570 laZardo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:51:12am

re: #546 vxbush

Often times the "PWNED" isn't just for the car, it's for the occupant.

/I'm sadistic like that.

571 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:51:23am

re: #564 infidelia

Uh, unfortunately I knew some of these people, the ones he named not just the ones he referenced. I got news for Mark. If he was right about this big all-powerful conspiracy he'd have been pushing up daisies for years now. Much of what he's got hold of has to do with cultie delusions, pimping for purposes of blackmail, sick experiments and religious hysteria of multiple varieties. It is depressing to be reminded of just how much craziness goes on within the circles of people who are supposed to be responsible for keeping us safe.


Could you elaborate?

572 laZardo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:51:50am

re: #537 rlevitin

Were you the one from a few thread earlier who was helping to write the history of Israel for textbooks?

/checking

573 infidelia  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:51:50am

re: #533 MandyManners

I saw Alex Jones and Texe Marrs. (No David Icke--is he too nuts for him?) Texe's page links to Luap Nor. It also links to this which DOES link to Icke.

Is there a reason all these sites are so freaking LOUD?

574 vxbush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:52:10am

re: #570 laZardo

Often times the "PWNED" isn't just for the car, it's for the occupant.

/I'm sadistic like that.

Oh, I knew that. That's why I'm so thankful i survived. Several friends saw pictures of my car after the accident and they were stunned I survived with the few injuries I had.

575 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:53:42am

re: #573 infidelia

Is there a reason all these sites are so freaking LOUD?

Beats me. (I turned off my speakers.)

Maybe they think that if they say it louldly enough, more people will believe them.

576 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:53:51am

re: #569 lawhawk

Heck, even the NYS legislature and NYC city council recognized that giving tax breaks will get businesses to come to the City to work. That's what they did for the entertainment industry, and we're seeing a building boom.

Amazing how that works.

577 jorline  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:54:03am

re: #561 NJDhockeyfan

Abraham Obama


Was Abe the founding father of the Log Cabin Republicans?

578 opnion  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:54:13am

re: #473 jcm

HELL YEAH!

ATOMS FOR PEACE!

NO MORE OIL!

/


No, that cannot be the answer. The Obama has porclaimed that the way to fix the gas crisis is a windfall profit tax on Big Oil.
You know, cause that would really boost production. He's so smart

579 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:54:51am

re: #557 jcm

Not enough metal to trip the induction coils in the payment. I like watches the guys who drive past the coils, stop and the cross walk, and get all pissed waiting for the light. A few time I've purposely stopped behind the coils with these guys to watch the fun.

It's pretty damn funny to watch. There's a reason why they place the stop line, and it's not just for safety. It's so you wind up directly on top of the detector loop. However, I have noticed some places use a sensor that looks like a camera focused on the stop line area.

I just wish people would learn some civility while they drive. You know, like moving over to let a car onto the expressway when you have the left lane completely clear. Little things like that.

580 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:54:53am

re: #550 HDrepub

When I was in driver's ed, the instructor asked what we should do if four cars all arrived at a four-way stop at the same time.
We couldn't answer. He said to stop and drive around it when it is over.

581 opnion  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:54:59am

re: #561 NJDhockeyfan

Abraham Obama

Ibrahim Obama

582 Iron Fist  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:55:55am

re: #380 DesertSage,

He doesn't want to release his birth certificate. Something about them listing his mom as a jackal.

[/Sarc]

583 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:55:58am

re: #565 alegrias

* * *
Granny, given recent tomato problems & shortages, you're a genius to have an oversupply! Hope you make a fortune.

Swimming is also great for arthritis joints to move with less gravity issues.

Haven't thought about selling the tomato plants. I do swim, but it is tough in New England for a huge chunk of the year and some days in winter I am so stiff I couldn't get into a car to drive to an indoor pool.

We preordered WiiFit the day it was announced for the kiddo, thinking it would be a great way for her to get "gym" in. Turns out we are all using it and are really impressed with it. It is "exercise" of course, but definitely does not feel like it. Even I think it is fun.

584 realwest  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:55:58am

re: #525 bosforus Course, y'all realize that auto safety and especially safe drivers depend on where you live?
In NYC a yellow light means SPEED UP!
In most of Arizona, the speedometer needle is supposed to go all the way to the right!

585 Dustoff-507  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:56:00am

Morning all... (-:

JCM.

You hear aboout the 3 fools who went up the mountail and got caught by bad weather.

When well this fools ever learn (weather reports in the mountains means your life) Gezzzzz

586 HDrepub  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:56:18am

re: #564 infidelia

It is depressing to be reminded of just how much craziness goes on within the circles of people who are supposed to be responsible for keeping us safe.

Paranoid conspiracy theories abound in supposedly intelligent circles it seems doesn't it? More people believe that a government conspiracy caused the 9/11 attacks than believe that their coworkers or acquaintances are out to get them. The paranoid style of political ignorance still persists in the information age, and it is a puzzle to me how otherwise seemingly intelligent people can actually convince themselves of the "truth".

587 see bs  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:56:38am

Good Morning All

588 Purple Prose  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:57:10am
This column will probably get Barack Obama in trouble, but that’s not my problem. I cannot tell a lie: Many Egyptians and other Arab Muslims really like him and hope that he wins the presidency.

I have had a chance to observe several U.S. elections from abroad, but it has been unusually revealing to be in Egypt as Barack Hussein Obama became the Democrats’ nominee for president of the United States.

While Obama, who was raised a Christian, is constantly assuring Americans that he is not a Muslim, Egyptians are amazed, excited and agog that America might elect a black man whose father’s family was of Muslim heritage. They don’t really understand Obama’s family tree, but what they do know is that if America — despite being attacked by Muslim militants on 9/11 — were to elect as its president some guy with the middle name “Hussein,” it would mark a sea change in America-Muslim world relations.
...
My colleague Michael Slackman, The Times’s bureau chief in Cairo, told me about a recent encounter he had with a worker at Cairo’s famed Blue Mosque: “Gamal Abdul Halem was sitting on a green carpet. When he saw we were Americans, he said: ‘Hillary-Obama tied?’ in thick, broken English. He told me that he lived in the Nile Delta, traveling two hours one way everyday to get to work, and still he found time to keep up with the race. He didn’t have anything to say bad about Hillary but felt that Obama would be much better because he is dark-skinned, like him, and because he has Muslim heritage. ‘For me and my family and friends, we want Obama,’ he said. ‘We all like what he is saying.’ ”

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

589 opnion  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:57:19am

re: #577 jorline

Was Abe the founding father of the Log Cabin Republicans?

No that was his brother,Lance Lincoln

590 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:57:20am

re: #578 opnion

No, that cannot be the answer. The Obama has porclaimed that the way to fix the gas crisis is a windfall profit tax on Big Oil.
You know, cause that would really boost production. He's so smart

Yeah! That's the ticket!

Has anyone, and I mean ANYONE IN THE ENTIRE DEMORAT PARTY, reviewed what happen last time they did that?

Insanity -- doing the same thing again, and expecting a different result.

591 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:57:31am

re: #578 opnion

No, that cannot be the answer. The Obama has porclaimed that the way to fix the gas crisis is a windfall profit tax on Big Oil.
You know, cause that would really boost production. He's so smart

And it also will help the high prices - that is, it will make the prices higher as the oil companies pass on the tax.
Obama flunked economics 101, but then, so did all socialists.

592 vxbush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:57:47am

re: #583 galloping granny

Haven't thought about selling the tomato plants. I do swim, but it is tough in New England for a huge chunk of the year and some days in winter I am so stiff I couldn't get into a car to drive to an indoor pool.

We preordered WiiFit the day it was announced for the kiddo, thinking it would be a great way for her to get "gym" in. Turns out we are all using it and are really impressed with it. It is "exercise" of course, but definitely does not feel like it. Even I think it is fun.

Granny, did you buy yours online? I was thinking I might get a Wii for the son, as a form of physical therapy for him. Trying to decide what to get with it.

593 bosforus  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:58:11am

re: #584 realwest

But of course. Here in Utah, when a light changes from red to green it means 'look both ways and wait 5 seconds before proceeding'.

594 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:58:11am

I think my own car will be much, much safer once I finish installing those forward-mounted machineguns.

595 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:58:23am

re: #586 HDrepub

Paranoid conspiracy theories abound in supposedly intelligent circles it seems doesn't it? More people believe that a government conspiracy caused the 9/11 attacks than believe that their coworkers or acquaintances are out to get them. The paranoid style of political ignorance still persists in the information age, and it is a puzzle to me how otherwise seemingly intelligent people can actually convince themselves of the "truth".

I think it's getting stronger. No longer are the nuts confined to their garages and basements. They're now able to link up with other nuts all over the world.

596 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:58:56am

re: #585 Dustoff-507

Morning all... (-:

JCM.

You hear aboout the 3 fools who went up the mountail and got caught by bad weather.

When well this fools ever learn (weather reports in the mountains means your life) Gezzzzz

Been shaking my head on that one. The went for a "day hike" on Mt. Rainier. No such thing about 10,000 feet!

You still on call for those rescues?

597 zmdavid  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:59:08am

re: #594 Occasional Reader

I think my own car will be much, much safer once I finish installing those forward-mounted machineguns.

Safer for whom?

598 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:59:30am

re: #594 Occasional Reader

I think my own car will be much, much safer once I finish installing those forward-mounted machineguns.

Hey, I keep asking the dealer about the bazooka option, but they never seem to have it in stock.

599 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:59:32am

re: #594 Occasional Reader

I think my own car will be much, much safer once I finish installing those forward-mounted machineguns.


You should consider getting one on a turret - bad drivers are all over the road, not just directly in front of you.

600 laZardo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:59:37am

re: #574 vxbush

Oh, I knew that. That's why I'm so thankful i survived. Several friends saw pictures of my car after the accident and they were stunned I survived with the few injuries I had.

Fix'd?

Seriously though, the sites I like to hang out at often have a field day with those that don't make it out of the wreckage in one piece.

601 alegrias  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:59:54am

Anyone already discuss Chuck Norris' push for USA to drill for oil in the USA?

Perhaps Chuck Norris' backing of drilling will generate public demand for drilling to counter the enviros & leftists refusal to act on oil supply.

Chuck Norris' endorsement of Mike Huckabee on wacky commercials did much to boost that relativelly unknown's run at the republican presidential nomination, imagine what it might do for pressure on democrats to drill.

602 realwest  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:00:12am

re: #563 vxbush
I dibs hedging their bets. Can't stand the Saud's, but they aren't dopes, fershure!

603 jorline  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:00:17am

re: #589 opnion

No that was his brother,Lance Lincoln

LOL

604 opnion  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:00:18am

re: #590 jcm

Yeah! That's the ticket!

Has anyone, and I mean ANYONE IN THE ENTIRE DEMORAT PARTY, reviewed what happen last time they did that?

Insanity -- doing the same thing again, and expecting a different result.


If they did they wouild find that domestioc production went down & more expensive foreign oil came in

605 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:00:19am

re: #594 Occasional Reader

I think my own car will be much, much safer once I finish installing those forward-mounted machineguns.

Don't forget the rear to take care of those pesky tail-gaters!

606 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:00:21am

re: #594 Occasional Reader

I think my own car will be much, much safer once I finish installing those forward-mounted machineguns.

You mean like this...

607 vxbush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:00:48am

re: #600 laZardo

Fix'd?

Seriously though, the sites I like to hang out at often have a field day with those that don't make it out of the wreckage in one piece.

Well, that's your option, I suppose. I'm just glad I'm still around. Any time I see an ambulance go buy, I always say a prayer for whoever is in it and his family.

608 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:00:57am

re: #599 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

You should consider getting one on a turret - bad drivers are all over the road, not just directly in front of you.

That's why I want a bazooka mounted on top of the car. Screw just having little machine guns.

609 laZardo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:01:17am

re: #592 vxbush

Cooking Mama. (:

/kid's gonna have to learn to take care of himself out there...

610 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:01:30am

re: #605 MandyManners

Don't forget the rear to take care of those pesky tail-gaters!

That's what the "oil slick" button is for.

611 cygnus  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:01:47am

re: #464 Occasional Reader

Ah, no.

The reason we drove around without seat belts was because we didn't know any better, not because 1950s or 60s cars somehow miraculously protected us from the effects of going from 60 to 0 in a quarter of a second.

My parents would take us camping in a VW Microbus with no seatbelts. It's amazing now when you think about it.

612 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:01:57am

re: #608 Honorary Yooper

That's why I want a bazooka mounted on top of the car. Screw just having little machine guns.

Tactical nukes!

613 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:01:59am

re: #592 vxbush

Granny, did you buy yours online? I was thinking I might get a Wii for the son, as a form of physical therapy for him. Trying to decide what to get with it.

Yes - both the Wii and the WiiFit. Most any of the games would make great physical therapy, but the WiiFit is extensive and has some really fun things, does a lot of balance training, yoga, that kind of thing.

614 Dustoff-507  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:02:03am

re: #596 jcm


I sure am buddy, but not called for this. They found them fast, but.
Well you know. )-:

Some people just never learn.

615 vxbush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:02:09am

re: #606 jcm

You mean like this...

Wow. Pop-up hood and everything.

But where will the cupholders go?

616 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:02:23am

re: #608 Honorary Yooper

That's why I want a bazooka mounted on top of the car. Screw just having little machine guns.

I like my new SUV, just swat 'em of the road with the hydraulic arm.

617 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:02:30am

re: #610 Occasional Reader

That's what the "oil slick" button is for.

Cool! Got thick smoke to lay down?

618 Golem Akbar  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:02:32am

re: #588 Purple Prose

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

/Yes, what's important is what the world thinks, or at least what we think the world thinks. Actually, this is precisely what got Kerry in trouble, by telling Americans that we need to be more in line with European standards. In this case, many Obama-ites are saying that we need to be more in line with Islamic standards.

619 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:02:43am

re: #612 MandyManners

Tactical nukes!

That's a bit of overkill. You want to drive through the area after smashing them to tiny bits.

620 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:02:52am

re: #606 jcm

You mean like this...

I saw that a while ago. Very nice, but it won't fit in my car. Plus, I need something I can operate alone; I don't think I can talk the wife into being my turret gunner.

621 vxbush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:03:14am

re: #609 laZardo

Cooking Mama. (:

/kid's gonna have to learn to take care of himself out there...

Heh. I don't think having my son cooking in the kitchen is such a good idea. He can run a microwave. That's it. Massive brain injuries make it hard to follow directions.

622 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:03:27am

College Displaying Crucifix in Rectum Got Millions in Tax Dollars

(CNSNews.com) - Federal taxpayers are subsidizing a college in New York whose art school is currently displaying works that include a drawing of a man with a crucifix coming out of his rectum, a drawing of a man with a rosary coming out of his rectum, and rosaries decorated with penises.

Over the last eight years, at least $4.6 million in federal tax dollars have been provided to the Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art, which is displaying the controversial artworks. Some of the money has come in the form of grants from the National Endowment for the Arts.

Most of the $4.6 million in federal tax dollars that has gone to Cooper Union over the last eight years has been given to the school's engineering and science programs. But Cybercast News Service has learned that the National Endowment for the Arts has given the school's art program more than $122,000 during that same period.

The NEA awarded the grants because, in its words, they "(enrich) our Nation and diverse cultural heritage by supporting works of artistic excellence, advancing learning in the arts, and strengthening the arts in communities throughout the country."

623 Dustoff-507  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:03:35am

re: #608 Honorary Yooper


YOU people are scaring me! LOL

624 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:03:41am

re: #612 MandyManners

Tactical nukes!

Tactical? Wimpy. Give me strategic. If I get tailgated or cut off, we're ALL going up, dammit.

625 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:03:53am

re: #601 alegrias

Anyone already discuss Chuck Norris' push for USA to drill for oil in the USA?

Perhaps
Chuck Norris' backing of drilling will generate public demand for
drilling to counter the enviros & leftists refusal to act on oil
supply.

Chuck Norris' endorsement of Mike Huckabee on wacky
commercials did much to boost that relativelly unknown's run at the
republican presidential nomination, imagine what it might do for
pressure on democrats to drill.

Chuck Norris has sweet, light crude for blood. Too bad he can't be cut.

626 opnion  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:04:04am

ya know, now that LGF is being monitored by Barry's blog, CAIR & the Daily Kos, does that mean we have to start dressing better, to log on?
I mean, lots of people watching us.

627 vxbush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:04:06am

re: #614 Dustoff-507

I sure am buddy, but not called for this. They found them fast, but.
Well you know. )-:

Some people just never learn.

That's got to be so hard on you when you do end up on those calls. I feel for you, sir.

628 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:04:07am

re: #610 Occasional Reader

That's what the "oil slick" button is for.

Heh. I've thought a spear that goes through their radiator might be a good idea too.

629 laZardo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:04:13am

Anyhoo, I need a bit of help. The Obamaton I might have referenced a few threads back says there's no connection between Wright's spiritual and political influence of Obama.

I'm thinking of bringing up the Trumpet covers but I did drop the titles of Obama's books a couple of posts back in that little discourse.

630 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:04:53am

re: #619 Honorary Yooper

That's a bit of overkill. You want to drive through the area after smashing them to tiny bits.

I'm talking about tail-gaters. (You can always find an alternate route to go home.)

631 HDrepub  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:05:03am

Gotta go folks and get my morning exercise for the ol' ticker. CYAs later

632 jorline  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:05:11am

re: #561 NJDhockeyfan

Abraham Obama

Oxymoron; Unlike Barry, Abraham Lincoln was honest.

633 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:05:51am

re: #622 NJDhockeyfan

Some people are so desperate for their 15 minutes.

634 alegrias  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:05:55am

re: #583 galloping granny

Haven't thought about selling the tomato plants. I do swim, but it is tough in New England for a huge chunk of the year and some days in winter I am so stiff I couldn't get into a car to drive to an indoor pool.

We preordered WiiFit the day it was announced for the kiddo, thinking it would be a great way for her to get "gym" in. Turns out we are all using it and are really impressed with it. It is "exercise" of course, but definitely does not feel like it. Even I think it is fun.


* * *
So glad you're finding fun ways to exercise--though as a gardner you are probably getting a great work out anyway. Indoor pools with water aerobics instructors such as those at Lifetimefitness gyms are fantastic, assuming one can get to them!

635 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:05:59am

re: #590 jcm

Yeah! That's the ticket!

Has anyone, and I mean ANYONE IN THE ENTIRE DEMORAT PARTY, reviewed what happen last time they did that?

Insanity -- doing the same thing again, and expecting a different result.

Why yes, yes they have. If you watched any of the hearings, you might have noticed a certain Congresswoman from the People's Republic of California "questioning" the oil execs accidentally slip and almost yell that if the oil execs didn't bring down the price of oil she would see to it that their companies were nationa. . . . . . . .. . . (oops.)

Of course they know that raising taxes on the oil companies will only make things worse, presenting them with the perfect excuse to take over (steal) the oil companies - just like Hugo.

636 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:06:05am

re: #626 opnion

ya know, now that LGF is being monitored by Barry's blog, CAIR & the Daily Kos, does that mean we have to start dressing better, to log on?
I mean, lots of people watching us.

Somebody's watching me

637 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:06:05am

re: #624 Occasional Reader

Tactical? Wimpy. Give me strategic. If I get tailgated or cut off, we're ALL going up, dammit.

My hero!

638 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:07:10am

re: #624 Occasional Reader

Tactical? Wimpy. Give me strategic. If I get tailgated or cut off, we're ALL going up, dammit.

Strategic!
Tsar Bomb 50 MT!

639 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:07:14am

re: #635 galloping granny

Why yes, yes they have. If you watched any of the hearings, you might have noticed a certain Congresswoman from the People's Republic of California "questioning" the oil execs accidentally slip and almost yell that if the oil execs didn't bring down the price of oil she would see to it that their companies were nationa. . . . . . . .. . . (oops.)

Of course they know that raising taxes on the oil companies will only make things worse, presenting them with the perfect excuse to take over (steal) the oil companies - just like Hugo.

"Socialized"!

640 Dustoff-507  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:07:21am

re: #627 vxbush


I've been doing it so long, that yes it does get to me, but not as much anymore. Who I really feel for is the families they leave behind.
Most of this is closed casket.

641 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:07:29am

re: #618 Golem Akbar

/Yes, what's important is what the world thinks, or at least what we think the world thinks. Actually, this is precisely what got Kerry in trouble, by telling Americans that we need to be more in line with European standards. In this case, many Obama-ites are saying that we need to be more in line with Islamic standards.

This is the United States of America. We do not "follow" standards. We set standards. When islam enters even the fifteenth century I might consider that they have something valid to say.

642 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:07:58am

re: #626 opnion

ya know, now that LGF is being monitored by Barry's blog, CAIR & the Daily Kos, does that mean we have to start dressing better, to log on?
I mean, lots of people watching us.

No holes in your undies!

643 vxbush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:08:34am

re: #640 Dustoff-507

I've been doing it so long, that yes it does get to me, but not as much anymore. Who I really feel for is the families they leave behind.
Most of this is closed casket.

Ouch. Well, that's one nice thing about the Midwest--no mountains to die on. I rather like my corn fields.

644 HDrepub  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:08:45am

re: #642 MandyManners

No holes in your undies!

Post nekkid.

645 vxbush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:08:52am

re: #641 galloping granny

This is the United States of America. We do not "follow" standards. We set standards. When islam enters even the fifteenth century I might consider that they have something valid to say.

Hear, hear!

646 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:09:23am

re: #635 galloping granny

Why yes, yes they have. If you watched any of the hearings, you might have noticed a certain Congresswoman from the People's Republic of California "questioning" the oil execs accidentally slip and almost yell that if the oil execs didn't bring down the price of oil she would see to it that their companies were nationa. . . . . . . .. . . (oops.)

Of course they know that raising taxes on the oil companies will only make things worse, presenting them with the perfect excuse to take over (steal) the oil companies - just like Hugo.

HeHe! It was worse, she slipped on socialized, and tried to change to nationalized. She was so flustered by her slip!

Oil company profit per dollar of sales 8.8 cents. (my industry is 30 cents) Federal gas tax? 18.4 cents per gallon.

647 seekeroftruth  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:09:26am

re: #629 laZardo

Anyhoo, I need a bit of help. The Obamaton I might have referenced a few threads back says there's no connection between Wright's spiritual and political influence of Obama.

I'm thinking of bringing up the Trumpet covers but I did drop the titles of Obama's books a couple of posts back in that little discourse.

This might help:
[Link: www.townhall.com...]

On Obama's own account, the rhetoric and vision of Chicago's most politically radical black churches are exactly what he wants to see more of. True, when discussing Louis Farrakhan with De Zutter, Obama makes a point of repudiating anti-white, anti-Semitic, and anti-Asian sermons. Yet having laid down that proviso, Obama seems to relish the radicalism of preachers like Pfleger and Wright. In 1995, Obama didn't want Trinity's political show to stop. His plan was to spread it to other black churches, and harness its power to an alliance of leftist groups and sympathetic elected officials.
648 zmdavid  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:09:26am

re: #635 galloping granny

Yes. They know exactly what they are doing.

649 laZardo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:09:26am

re: #512 ibmkeyboard

Did I forget to mention that when the solar-powered hoverbuggies finally take to the skies to escape the radiation, they'll name an important intersection/interchange after your crash site?

650 HDrepub  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:09:40am

re: #641 galloping granny

This is the United States of America. We do not "follow" standards. We set standards. When islam enters even the fifteenth century I might consider that they have something valid to say.

I nominate that for a rotating title.

651 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:09:47am

re: #622 NJDhockeyfan

That is so disgusting. I am appalled.

652 pianobuff  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:09:47am

Talk about the contortions required to negate the effects of the surge....

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

This is maybe my favorite line....

"Ethnic cleansing was more or less achieved in most neighborhoods."

653 Golem Akbar  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:09:50am

re: #626 opnion

ya know, now that LGF is being monitored by Barry's blog, CAIR & the Daily Kos, does that mean we have to start dressing better, to log on?
I mean, lots of people watching us.


I hope they're watching.
Hey Obama-ites: want to lower the price of oil? Let's build new nuclear power stations in every state, maybe two a year in each state. It works in Europe, so let's do it here.

Maybe they'll pay attention.
(probably not)

654 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:10:13am

re: #651 WriterMom

That is so disgusting. I am appalled.

Me too. I'm seething but I wont blow anything up.

655 nonic  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:10:23am

Hello, people.

I would very much appreciate advice from anyone who feels they can answer this question with even a little knowledge/experience behind their opinion...........

Is it a good idea to buy a window air conditioner unit that is slightly larger than strictly needed (say, 6500 BTU instead of 5000 BTU for a small bedroom) on the theory that the slightly larger unit will not have to work as hard and so will work better and last longer? Or am I kidding myself?

I will be much grateful for any thoughts anyone has to offer.

Thanks,
:-) nonic

656 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:10:27am

re: #634 alegrias

* * *
So glad you're finding fun ways to exercise--though as a gardner you are probably getting a great work out anyway. Indoor pools with water aerobics instructors such as those at Lifetimefitness gyms are fantastic, assuming one can get to them!

And assuming that one does not live in the wilds of rural America like I do. As a gardener I do get a decent workout, but as an arthritic old lady who sometimes finds it hard to move if we are going to have a storm, I have to put in some time limbering up before I can go garden, just to get up the hill.

657 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:11:00am

re: #640 Dustoff-507

I've been doing it so long, that yes it does get to me, but not as much anymore. Who I really feel for is the families they leave behind.
Most of this is closed casket.

I found I felt less for victims of their own stupidity, than others. Kids are always, always tough.

658 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:11:19am

re: #654 NJDhockeyfan

:)

659 saberry0530  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:11:49am

re: #431 jcm

But it makes them feel better about what they do

660 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:11:54am

re: #643 vxbush

Ouch. Well, that's one nice thing about the Midwest--no mountains to die on. I rather like my corn fields.

Oh, right, like THEY'RE so safe...

661 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:12:07am

Violence Shocks Community (Incredible rampage in Macomb Michigan)

Mob of young men hurled stones at cars during brutal spree

While Macomb County sheriff's detectives tried Monday to find 20 to 30 men who brutally attacked one man, robbed four others and threw bricks and rocks at several cars in Mount Clemens, local business officials and the city's mayor were shocked and outraged at the weekend violence.Macomb County Sheriff Mark Hackel said deputies interviewed several people and will review security videotapes from local stores in an effort to identify the culprits involved in the incidents late Saturday. He said police hope the public has information about the attacks and vandalism and will provide tips to police.

Groups of roving young adults and teenagers who apparently gathered at a carnival at the Gibraltar Trade Center, walked onto North River Road and threw bricks and rocks at passing cars. The driver of one of the vehicles was a woman whose vehicle was pelted with rocks as she drove to pick up her children from the carnival.

662 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:12:12am

re: #644 HDrepub

Post nekkid.

Easier to do in the summer!

663 realwest  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:12:13am

re: #594 Occasional Reader Uh, don't forget those rear mounted 20 mm canons, either - for all the assholes who drive less than a foot off your rear bumper.
Had a friend with the NYS Troopers who told me that the #2 reason for accidents was guys/girls who ride waaaay too close to the car in front of them, leaving them no time to stop or move out of the way in case of trouble.

664 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:12:19am
665 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:13:04am

OT: To all the parents out there.

One of my kids got head lice...I am dealing with it in the traditional way-the shampoo and the [deleted] nit-picking and I think we are almost out of the woods. Does anyone else have any other remedies (I am open to natural things-like teatree oil etc) that has worked for your kids.

I am GOING CRAZY.

666 infidelia  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:13:40am

re: #571 MandyManners

Could you elaborate?

Not really. Unlike Dice, I know which of these people he names really is dangerous. The last time I tried checking up on one of them via a third party email I discovered the source was being monitored which led to a nasty email to me to back off. There are people paid to locate the dangerous nuts in high places. I'm not one of them. If they don't do their jobs I'm not going to try to do it for them.

These jerks like Dice have no problem signing on to conspiracy theories that completely ignore the documented, witnessed facts of 9/11 but they can't get their little pin heads around concepts like Jihad. Chasing around after the Bildebergers is fun for them, it's a rush. There's no fun in understanding about Islam and jihad. You can't work UFO conspiracy theories about Reptilians into jihad.

It is such a sad joke, here we have Europe dissolving into Eurabia, the allegedly all-powerful Church unable to effectively confront Islam, Bush a laughingstock rather than a figure to inspire fear, and still the tinfoils yammer on and on. It's on a continuum with politicians who refuse to believe that Ahmadinejad really means all that Mahdi stuff and is a catastrophe waiting to happen if he gets nukes. It's also part of the cant that Obama really has nothing to do with the beliefs of all those people he's surrounded himself with for 20 years.

667 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:14:01am

re: #659 saberry0530

But it makes them feel better about what they do

Feelings, ohhh ohhh Feeling!

668 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:14:14am

re: #653 Golem Akbar

Heck, I'd settle for building one new nuclear power facility in each state. That would increase the number of plants by ~50% (from 104 to 154).

And while the US gets 19% of its power from nuclear power, it has the most power produced. France gets 78% of its power from nuclear generating stations.

669 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:14:44am

re: #655 nonic

Hello, people.

I would very much appreciate advice from anyone who feels they can answer this question with even a little knowledge/experience behind their opinion...........

Is it a good idea to buy a window air conditioner unit that is slightly larger than strictly needed (say, 6500 BTU instead of 5000 BTU for a small bedroom) on the theory that the slightly larger unit will not have to work as hard and so will work better and last longer? Or am I kidding myself?

I will be much grateful for any thoughts anyone has to offer.

Thanks,
:-) nonic

Have had experience with window unit AC's - I agree with re: #664 buzzsawmonkey

A) You are correct that you want something with higher capacity so that it will not have to labor at the top of its abilities.

B) Buy it now before the environmentalcases insist on downsizing everything.

670 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:14:47am

re: #663 realwest

Uh, don't forget those rear mounted 20 mm canons, either - for all the assholes who drive less than a foot off your rear bumper.
Had a friend with the NYS Troopers who told me that the #2 reason for accidents was guys/girls who ride waaaay too close to the car in front of them, leaving them no time to stop or move out of the way in case of trouble.

I'd rather they set up traps to catch assholes who follow to closely than try to catch people going over the limit. Stupid stunts kill.

671 songbird  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:14:58am

re: #561 NJDhockeyfan

Abraham Obama

That is just scary!

672 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:14:59am
673 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:15:20am

re: #668 lawhawk

Heck, I'd settle for building one new nuclear power facility in each state. That would increase the number of plants by ~50% (from 104 to 154).

And while the US gets 19% of its power from nuclear power, it has the most power produced. France gets 78% of its power from nuclear generating stations.

If we really what to get away from fossil fuel, we are going to need electricity... lots of it.

674 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:15:31am

re: #664 buzzsawmonkey

At the same time, you want to buy a unit that is properly sized for the room - go too big, and you'll actually increase your energy costs. Also, compare EERs to get the most efficient unit you can.

675 HDrepub  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:15:41am

re: #653 Golem Akbar

I hope they're watching.
Hey Obama-ites: want to lower the price of oil? Let's build new nuclear power stations in every state, maybe two a year in each state. It works in Europe, so let's do it here.

Maybe they'll pay attention.
(probably not)

Sounds nice Golem but since we produce less than 2% of our electricity with oil it won't help much.
The best thing would be for someone to make an economical small reactor for producing high temp process steam for biofuel, oil shale, tar sands and coal conversion to liquid fuels.

676 realwest  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:15:49am

re: #606 jcm Nah, 7.62 is too small a caliber, I've always like Ma Duece the best (.50 caliber) or the 30 mm chain gun! YEAH, that's the ticket!

677 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:16:06am
678 FrogMarch  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:16:13am
679 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:16:30am

re: #668 lawhawk

Heck, I'd settle for building one new nuclear power facility in each state. That would increase the number of plants by ~50% (from 104 to 154).

And while the US gets 19% of its power from nuclear power, it has the most power produced. France gets 78% of its power from nuclear generating stations.

However, I'm not convinced nuclear power is all that cheap. We get about 50% of our electricity from nuclear power in NE Illinois, and we pay the highest electric rates in the US.

680 formercorpsman  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:16:43am

re: #665 WriterMom

Good luck.

I don't ever remember as a kid, the lice being so diiificult as it is now.

We did all of that, and finally went to the Ovide.

681 infidelia  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:17:02am
682 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:17:04am

re: #677 buzzsawmonkey

Get a cooler. Add ice, some water, and let soak.

Or you could be like the Brits and drink your beer warm.

683 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:17:26am

re: #673 jcm

If we really what to get away from fossil fuel, we are going to need electricity... lots of it.


But, but,... solar and wind, uh, HOPE! CHANGE!

684 nonic  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:17:33am

re: #665 WriterMom

EEEK! Makes me itchy just thinking about it! (Like all the bedbug stories I read lately. Yuck!)

If it happened to my kids, I would have had their heads shaved so we could SEE what was there. But then, I had all boys.

Good luck. Seriously.

685 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:17:37am

re: #677 buzzsawmonkey

But what if you want to chill beer in your bedroom?

That's a different issue entirely. LOL!

/In-house beer igloo.

686 laZardo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:17:59am

re: #653 Golem Akbar

Who's gonna run them? Mr. Burns? And they'll be creating more than just three-eyed goldfish too!

/////

687 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:18:10am

re: #655 nonic

Air conditioners are only allowed for Inner Party members. Sorry. But if you gaze at your mandatory government-issued poster of Our Dear Leader, his ubercool will flow to you by natural conductivity.

/testing my 2011 response to your question

688 Intrepid  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:18:12am

Can any of our mom lizards tell me if it is even possible to NOT KNOW YOU ARE PREGNANT?

This lady was only made aware of the fact when she gave birth. At a party.

Sheesh.

689 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:18:17am

re: #680 formercorpsman

What is the ovide?

690 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:18:20am

re: #676 realwest

Nah, 7.62 is too small a caliber, I've always like Ma Duece the best (.50 caliber) or the 30 mm chain gun! YEAH, that's the ticket!

I would like to have some kind of catapult that would pop up from my trunk and hurl cow manure, or similar munitions, at vehicles that were following too closely.
A 10 million candlepower searchlight for the idiots who leave their brights on would also be good in a pop-up installation.

691 opnion  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:18:25am

re: #642 MandyManners

No holes in your undies!


For more reasons that that. What if you step outside & get hit my a car?
It is common knowledge that the ER Doc will refuse tratment if you have holes in your BVD'S.

692 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:18:42am

re: #665 WriterMom

Writer Mom - had this problem a few years ago with Young Reine.

Here's what worked for us, but this needs to be done for a couple of weeks:

1. Every other day, use the special shampoo.

2. On the days you do not use the special shampoo, coat the hair with BABY OIL, put a cap over the hair and let it stay for at least 3 hours. Then wash the hair with a good grease cutting shampoo.

The kid's hair will not necessarily look the best for a couple of weeks.
The special shampoo doesn't kill them all. The baby oil will smother the ones the shampoo doesn't get. It is impossible to get all of the nits - so new ones will be hatching. The reason it takes 2 weeks to get rid of them is that this is somehow equivalent to their life/reproduction cycle (details are sketchy in my mind now).

693 cygnus  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:18:48am

re: #612 MandyManners

Tactical nukes!

Photon Torpedoes!

694 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:18:50am

re: #676 realwest

Nah, 7.62 is too small a caliber, I've always like Ma Duece the best (.50 caliber) or the 30 mm chain gun! YEAH, that's the ticket!

Heck, lets mount an GAU-8 Avenger!

695 The Other Les  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:18:58am

re: #47 gibsonz

He's starting to need a really BIG bus. Do they come in 18-wheeler versions?
--------
He is going to have to call Ray Nagin,he has plenty of unused busses.

Try this.

Nuclear powered, articulated with two decks and a bowling alley.

But the video is dubbed in French.

696 realwest  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:19:34am

re: #626 opnion
"does that mean we have to start dressing" there, fixed that for you.
Excuse me while I go hunting for my jammies!

697 laZardo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:20:01am

re: #671 songbird

You want scary?

698 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:20:02am

Morning all. No better time to post this than an open thread; be sure to watch all the way through.

699 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:20:21am

re: #666 infidelia

Chasing around after the Bildebergers is fun for them, it's a rush. There's no fun in understanding about Islam and jihad. You can't work UFO conspiracy theories about Reptilians into jihad.

They'd rather pursue fantasy than the cold, hard facts of evil. Maybe they think it makes them smarter than the rest of us.

700 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:20:37am

re: #692 reine.de.tout

Hmmm-that makes sense...I wasn't sure how often you can use the shampoo. That's a good plan. It seemed like I got everything and then GA...nits. Why doesn't the shampoo kill all of the nits. GRRR. OK. I'm going to try that. Thank you.

701 cygnus  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:21:03am

re: #622 NJDhockeyfan

College Displaying Crucifix in Rectum Got Millions in Tax Dollars

Oh, dear God.
/picking up jaw from floor

702 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:21:26am

Islamic group banned from Seminole schools


Speakers from the Academy for Learning Islam in Sanford came to Seminole's Lake Brantley High School to talk about the Islamic culture. By the end of the class period, though, the talk strayed to the touchy topic of religion instead. And some parents soon complained that the group was trying to convert their children, the Orlando Sentinel reports.

Representatives from the Academy said they had no intent to push religion. But the damage had already been done.

Seminole officials are now reevaluating their rules for who can make classroom presentations. Teachers will have stricter guidelines before the new school year begins, officials told the Sentinel.

703 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:21:40am

re: #688 Intrepid

I find that highly unlikely.

704 realwest  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:21:47am

re: #641 galloping granny A thousand updings for that one!

705 formercorpsman  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:21:47am

re: #689 WriterMom


Prescription stuff for the lice.

Smells nasty, works well.

I am sure you have already doen this, but literally, we ended up just trash bagging every linen in the house for a couple weeks on end.

Then washing all of it in heavy detergent twice.

I can sympathize, the lice are terrible.

706 opnion  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:21:49am

re: #653 Golem Akbar

I hope they're watching.
Hey Obama-ites: want to lower the price of oil? Let's build new nuclear power stations in every state, maybe two a year in each state. It works in Europe, so let's do it here.

Maybe they'll pay attention.
(probably not)

Ah, no. They only deduce that we are right wing nuts. See, they only talk to each other and condition themselves to believe that their attitudes are actually main stream

707 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:22:18am

re: #697 laZardo

You want scary?

EWWW! BRAIN BLECH! EYE WASH! BRAIN BLECH! EYE WASH! BRAIN BLECH! EYE WASH!

708 alegrias  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:22:24am

re: #655 nonic

Hello, people.

I would very much appreciate advice from anyone who feels they can answer this question with even a little knowledge/experience behind their opinion...........

Is it a good idea to buy a window air conditioner unit that is slightly larger than strictly needed (say, 6500 BTU instead of 5000 BTU for a small bedroom) on the theory that the slightly larger unit will not have to work as hard and so will work better and last longer? Or am I kidding myself?

I will be much grateful for any thoughts anyone has to offer.

Thanks,
:-) nonic

* * *
Instead of an window unit, anyone else know about these Mitsubishi Mr. Slim inverter ductless A/C units?

[Link: www.mrslim.com...]
[Link: www.acdirect.com...]

709 vxbush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:22:31am

re: #688 Intrepid

Can any of our mom lizards tell me if it is even possible to NOT KNOW YOU ARE PREGNANT?

This lady was only made aware of the fact when she gave birth. At a party.

Sheesh.

I'm not sure how that's possible, unless her period has always been irregular. But surely when the kid starts kicking your kidneys you get the idea!

710 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:22:39am

re: #700 WriterMom

Welcome. To prevent future problems, make sure the kid's hair is dirty and full of products (mousse, hair spray, etc). Squeaky clean hair is what these things love!

711 songbird  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:22:40am

re: #697 laZardo

You want scary?

Yep! That is much scarier! OMG!

Is there one that combines McCain with Obama?

712 nonic  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:22:58am

re: #688 Intrepid


Can any of our mom lizards tell me if it is even possible to NOT KNOW YOU ARE PREGNANT?

I know two women that happened to. They kept getting periods. And thought they were just fat. Then, suddenly..... bingo! baby!

713 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:23:05am

re: #665 WriterMom

OT: To all the parents out there.

One of my kids got head lice...I am dealing with it in the traditional way-the shampoo and the [deleted] nit-picking and I think we are almost out of the woods. Does anyone else have any other remedies (I am open to natural things-like teatree oil etc) that has worked for your kids.

I am GOING CRAZY.

Unfortunately there is no other way to deal with this miserable plague. A couple of things. You need to bag up every single stuffed or fabric toy in the house and put them away for a full 6 weeks. You need to wash every single item of clothing and all of the bed linens. Get the lice spray and spray the mattresses and the pillows, along with the couch, chairs, etc. And it ALL has to be done at once. You cannot do the laundry today and bring it back into a house you haven't sprayed yet.

Make sure you do ALL of the kids. And yourself. And your husband. And anyone else who lives there. And then pray that your child has not acquired one of the strains of drug resistant lice that are near impossible to get rid of.

And you need to do all of this again in two weeks.

Prevention:
Make sure that they know to never share combs, brushes or hats with anyone - even each other.

Insist that the school not allow the kids to simply pile all of the outdoor clothes in a heap. (One school mine attended did, with predictable results.)

Teach them to always roll up their winter hat and place it inside of one of the pockets of their jacket - or better yet, in the back pack.

Most important, track down where they got it. This might take some detective work. One of my daughters had a friend whose mother was too lazy to pick the nits, never sprayed and only treated the particular child in question - no matter how anyone tried to educate or help her. About the fourth time the child came to play and I ended up having to drop a couple of hundred bucks on this nonsense, I regretfully had to tell my child she simply could not play with the girl anymore.

714 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:23:18am

re: #688 Intrepid

Can any of our mom lizards tell me if it is even possible to NOT KNOW YOU ARE PREGNANT?

This lady was only made aware of the fact when she gave birth. At a party.

Sheesh.

I would think that missing your period for six or so months would've been a giant clue.

715 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:23:28am

re: #705 formercorpsman

Yes-I've been washing, and sticking stuff in the dryer. But I think I will use the special shampoo more frequently as per reine's suggestion. I find the comb for the nits not very effective also. This is SUCH a b*tch to get rid of.

716 opnion  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:23:30am

re: #696 realwest

"does that mean we have to start dressing" there, fixed that for you.
Excuse me while I go hunting for my jammies!

Well at least we can scratch where it itches. I just gotta get that car off of blocks in my front yard.

717 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:23:40am
718 formercorpsman  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:23:43am

re: #697 laZardo

That was disturbing.

719 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:23:53am

re: #691 opnion

For more reasons that that. What if you step outside & get hit my a car?
It is common knowledge that the ER Doc will refuse tratment if you have holes in your BVD'S.

And, the nurses will snicker at you.

720 songbird  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:23:58am

re: #701 cygnus

Oh, dear God.
/picking up jaw from floor

Try doing that with Mohammed!

721 formercorpsman  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:24:08am

re: #715 WriterMom

You ain't kiddin.

It was a bitch.

722 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:24:19am

re: #693 cygnus

Photon Torpedoes!

Don't we have to wait until they're invented?

723 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:24:41am
724 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:24:51am

WHile we are on the subject of fabric covering for aircraft:
Bleriot; you can see the light coming thru the wings: 2 fabric layers. Beautiful.

725 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:25:04am

re: #688 Intrepid

Can any of our mom lizards tell me if it is even possible to NOT KNOW YOU ARE PREGNANT?

This lady was only made aware of the fact when she gave birth. At a party.

Sheesh.

It IS possible. Sometimes women have very erratic periods so simply never notice they are "late."

726 opnion  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:25:06am

re: #711 songbird

Yep! That is much scarier! OMG!

Is there one that combines McCain with Obama?

Stop it! that could cause sever psychological damage

727 realwest  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:25:08am

re: #655 nonic
Hi Nonic - well from my personal - not professional - experience, the btu's listed will only cover the room area designated if you run them on HIGH all the time.
I'd go with a 6500 or even 7500 btu's.

728 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:25:10am

re: #710 reine.de.tout

I actually suspect that she picked it up in Israel-where it's very common in schools-I noticed one relative constantly checking her kids' napes..I am a stupid idiot for letting them all sleep over together. STUPID STUPID.

729 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:25:11am

re: #697 laZardo

You want scary?

AIIYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

730 vxbush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:25:16am

re: #712 nonic

I know two women that happened to. They kept getting periods. And thought they were just fat. Then, suddenly..... bingo! baby!

And the baby never kicked? Come on.

731 HDrepub  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:25:22am

re: #679 Honorary Yooper

However, I'm not convinced nuclear power is all that cheap. We get about 50% of our electricity from nuclear power in NE Illinois, and we pay the highest electric rates in the US.

The recovery of construction costs of nuclear has it results in your electricity price. While it is clean and cheap to operate the bottom line is the cost to build a reactor. It takes quite a bit of energy to make nuclear fuel as well in the uranium enrichment process, and I if I recall correctly the government subsidizes the fuel enrichment process. T

732 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:25:38am

re: #532 realwest

Yup. Me. Finally. After fighting with it for almost 40 years on my own, I filed with the VA for 'dishydrotic eczema' - jungle rot - which over-the-counter meds no longer 'fixed'. They gave it to me. No back payments, but at least they're payin' for the spendy steroid topical I need.

733 opnion  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:25:44am

re: #719 MandyManners

And, the nurses will snicker at you.


I thionk that they do that anyway.

734 cygnus  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:25:57am

re: #665 WriterMom

OT: To all the parents out there.

One of my kids got head lice...I am dealing with it in the traditional way-the shampoo and the [deleted] nit-picking and I think we are almost out of the woods. Does anyone else have any other remedies (I am open to natural things-like teatree oil etc) that has worked for your kids.

I am GOING CRAZY.

I've heard that people used to use kerosene.

735 saberry0530  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:26:25am

re: #707 jcm

EWWW! BRAIN BLECH! EYE WASH! BRAIN BLECH! EYE WASH! BRAIN BLECH! EYE WASH!

736 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:26:32am

re: #730 vxbush

Never mind the instant vomitateous situation around certain smells and food. Instant.

737 formercorpsman  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:26:42am

re: #734 cygnus

You are correct.

Back in the day, it was a stocking cap soaked in Kerosene.

738 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:26:55am

re: #728 WriterMom

LOL - No, you are not stupid! Give yourself a break! Young Reine picked 'em up trying on hats in a store! It is a much more common problem that anyone realizes.

739 laZardo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:26:55am
740 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:26:56am
741 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:27:01am

re: #734 cygnus

Q ball haircut, fashionable in some circles.

742 opnion  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:27:20am

re: #717 buzzsawmonkey

I'm sure the art department will be annoyed that other people are butting in. They will point out that the crucifixes were not damaged; nobody wrecked 'em. The entire exhibit was merely intended to be a commentary on holiness.


Should we burn cars now? Wait, thats the other guys.

743 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:28:12am
744 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:28:23am

re: #738 reine.de.tout

It is driving me crazy! I know I should put it in perspective-my husband came home from shul yesterday and told me about two people he knows with cancer. I mean-serious, life threatening situations :(

745 vxbush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:28:50am

re: #736 WriterMom

Never mind the instant vomitateous situation around certain smells and food. Instant.

Oh, yeah. I hear you there.

746 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:28:53am

re: #744 WriterMom

All of us go home eventually

747 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:29:10am

re: #739 laZardo

Here, use this!

Damn!
Should not have clicked that!

Do you put little prints of avatars on you monitor to keep score?

748 Intrepid  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:29:13am

re: #712 nonic

I know two women that happened to. They kept getting periods. And thought they were just fat. Then, suddenly..... bingo! baby!

Yeah, but what did they think that thing was that kept kicking and moving around in their bellies?

I get the period thing - some women have wacky cycles. But the hormonal changes? Backaches? Swollen feet?

The woman in the article was only at 26 weeks, but yikes! And she was bar hopping in a bumblebee suit (costume partying)

Imagine the ER staff's faces when an ambulance pulled up and unloaded a bumblebee with a new baby.

749 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:29:15am
750 infidelia  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:29:23am

re: #699 MandyManners

Chasing around after the Bildebergers is fun for them, it's a rush. There's no fun in understanding about Islam and jihad. You can't work UFO conspiracy theories about Reptilians into jihad.

They'd rather pursue fantasy than the cold, hard facts of evil. Maybe they think it makes them smarter than the rest of us.

That's very close to the truth. What I encountered was someone with very high intelligence, great imagination, but linked to an overwhelming need to be Cosmically Significant. That and what was apparently a very warped upbringing. A "chosen one" complex if you will. Frankly I've never completely understood how they manage to split themselves and function in highly responsible positions, but they do. The delusional part of the personality is kept compartmentalized.

751 opnion  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:29:33am

re: #732 Cap'n DOC

Yup. Me. Finally. After fighting with it for almost 40 years on my own, I filed with the VA for 'dishydrotic eczema' - jungle rot - which over-the-counter meds no longer 'fixed'. They gave it to me. No back payments, but at least they're payin' for the spendy steroid topical I need.


I had a mild case. No fun at all. Your bones ok?

752 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:29:34am

re: #743 buzzsawmonkey

Yes, I have just got the over-the-counter stuff. The brand name is Kwelada, or RC...with boys it's actually a little easier I've heard. Unfortunately-this kid of mine has gorgeous long hair. WAAAAAAA.

753 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:29:44am

Boy. I can't wait till Obama is selected and changes the political tone in this country so that we are all united and civil!

Like at his myBO blog:

LATEST NEWSWEEK DOES A PROFILE ON MRS. JERRY FARWELL - SHE STATES THINGS WOULD BE DIFFERENT IF JERRY WAS HERE?

HER STATEMENT CONTAINS SEVERAL ALLUSIONS TO JERRY SPEAR-HEADING THE RIGHT-WING EVANGELICAL NUTS - OF COURSE, SHE DOESN'T CONSIDER THEM NUTS - THOSE ARE HER PEOPLE! SINCE VIRGINIA IS ONE OF THE STATES THAT MAY GO DEMOCRATIC THIS YEAR -AH, PERHAPS JERRY "IS IN A BETTER PLACE". LYNCHBURG (AND YES IT WAS NAMED FOR WHAT YOU THINK) IS SORT OF THE BEGINNING OF THE APPALACHIA CROWD AND GOD KNOWS WE DON'T NEED SOMEONE LIKE FARWELL STIRRING THE POT!

LET'S SEE, JERRY DIDN'T LIKE JEWS, BLACKS, HOMOSEXUALS, FOREIGNERS, OR PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T WEAR 'FLAG PINS'! IN FACT, WHO EXACTLY DID FARWELL LIKE. HE BLAMED 911 ON GAYS AND LESBIANS, SAID JEWS WEREN'T GOING TO HEAVEN,ETC, ETC.

BUT WAIT - JERRY IS ALIVE IN THE PERSON OF REV. HAGEE AND THAT OTHER SOUTHERN IMBECILE - FRIENDS OF MColdasdirt - AREN'T THEY!

MY POINT IS, IF NEW YORK JEWS IN FLORIDA REFUSE TO VOTE FOR OBAMA BECAUSE THEY THINK HE'S ANTI-ISRAEL - SHOULDN'T WE START SHOUTING FROM THE ROOF TOPS - WHAT A FRIEND THEY HAVE IN 'OLDASDIRT' AND REALLY INTRODUCE THEM TO HIS OTHER FRIENDS! SO, ALAS, WE DO HAVE A REPTILE IN THE WOOD PILE - LET'S JUMP ON IT!

I feel all tingly. A new dawn in politics and rational discourse. And in ALL CAPS no less.

754 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:29:51am

re: #715 WriterMom

Yes-I've been washing, and sticking stuff in the dryer. But I think I will use the special shampoo more frequently as per reine's suggestion. I find the comb for the nits not very effective also. This is SUCH a b*tch to get rid of.

Do not use lice shampoo any more often than every two weeks. It is poisonous and can cause health problems if used too frequently. Also, the lice become less susceptible to the product every time you use it.

I always found that picking nits by hand was much more effective than the comb. There is also an over the counter product that many doctors recommend these days rather than the prescription stuff that claims that you do not need to pick the nits. I've seen really good results with that. Again, no more often than every two weeks unless a doctor or the directions specifically tell you otherwise.

Forget washing stuff and drying it at home. The minute you take it out of the dryer it gets contaminated again. To the laundromat with you - and every stitch in the house.

755 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:30:01am

re: #744 WriterMom

See you there

Don Bosco's last words:

"Arreviderci in paradiso."

hope this helps

756 jorline  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:30:07am

re: #688 Intrepid

Can any of our mom lizards tell me if it is even possible to NOT KNOW YOU ARE PREGNANT?

This lady was only made aware of the fact when she gave birth. At a party.

Sheesh.

From a males point of view;
I can't remember how many times I've been screwed, surprisingly I've never ended up pregnant.

757 laZardo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:30:22am

re: #747 jcm

No...but thanks for the idea. Reminds me of the little Luftwaffe crosses that Allied pilots used to put on their planes to mark their kill total.

758 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:30:27am

re: #748 Intrepid

Yeah, but what did they think that thing was that kept kicking and moving around in their bellies?

I get the period thing - some women have wacky cycles. But the hormonal changes? Backaches? Swollen feet?

The woman in the article was only at 26 weeks, but yikes! And she was bar hopping in a bumblebee suit (costume partying)

Imagine the ER staff's faces when an ambulance pulled up and unloaded a bumblebee with a new baby.

Is that a sub-sect of furries? Exoskeletonies?

759 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:30:34am

re: #748 Intrepid

Un-bee-lievable! A bouncing baby bee!

760 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:31:18am
761 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:31:22am

BBL

762 incanus  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:31:27am

re: #446 infidelia

Ask any lab tech and they'll tell you it's the guys who faint at the blood drawings, heh.

It's a phobia ... hypodermics. Not sure what the official name is, but I have it. Hypodermics freak me out.

The air gun shots we got at basic? Didn't bother me. Little needles for inoculations? Those don't bother me much. Come at me with a needle to draw blood? I'll need to sit down because I'm going to tense up and get light headed.

In my case it's got something to do with the fact that the veins in my arms are deep, and hard to hit. There's no pain quite like getting blood drawn and having the nurse miss three times in a row. I just have them draw it from the back of my hand now, haven't passed out since I insisted they do that.

It's embarrassing but it's life.

763 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:31:45am

re: #744 WriterMom

Exactly. This will go away. Give it two weeks. And again, give yourself a break. On the large scale of life, this is not huge.

764 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:31:51am

re: #745 vxbush

I have just two words for you, my friend.

Fried cauliflower.

(picture this being prepared at 7:30 a.m in August in Israel)

765 infidelia  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:32:02am

re: #709 vxbush

I'm not sure how that's possible, unless her period has always been irregular. But surely when the kid starts kicking your kidneys you get the idea!

What I think we see here is De Nile in full flood. Or someone accustomed to significant indigestion.

766 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:32:09am

re: #746 Ojoe

So true.

767 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:32:09am

re: #750 infidelia

That's very close to the truth. What I encountered was someone with very high intelligence, great imagination, but linked to an overwhelming need to be Cosmically Significant. That and what was apparently a very warped upbringing. A "chosen one" complex if you will. Frankly I've never completely understood how they manage to split themselves and function in highly responsible positions, but they do. The delusional part of the personality is kept compartmentalized.

Narcissistic?

768 ladycatnip  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:32:15am

I just read on Drudge where Abu Dhabi is purchasing the Chrysler building in NY for 800M!

Why are we selling our prized real estate to the ME? Won't be surprised if they convert it to a mosque.

769 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:32:57am

re: #751 opnion

Bones okay. PSA indicates cancer, and has for the past two years. Also AO related - Biopsies are negative. I'm part of a VA nationwide study - VA doesn't know why the incidence of prostate cancer is so high in AO exposed vets, but it is.

770 cygnus  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:33:38am

re: #714 MandyManners

I would think that missing your period for six or so months would've been a giant clue.

Unless she thought that it was VERY early menopause.

771 infidelia  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:34:10am

re: #748 Intrepid

Yeah, but what did they think that thing was that kept kicking and moving around in their bellies?

I get the period thing - some women have wacky cycles. But the hormonal changes? Backaches? Swollen feet?

The woman in the article was only at 26 weeks, but yikes! And she was bar hopping in a bumblebee suit (costume partying)

Imagine the ER staff's faces when an ambulance pulled up and unloaded a bumblebee with a new baby.


"Mary had a little lamb..."

772 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:34:22am

re: #754 galloping granny

I haven't used the prescription stuff...just the over the counter stuff with nit-picking by hand and using the comb. The problem is that I don't have long nails and it's very tough to get the little tiny f*ckers off the individual strands of hair.

773 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:34:29am

re: #770 cygnus

Unless she thought that it was VERY early menopause.

That would've sent me running to the ob-gyn at the age of 30.

774 nonic  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:34:33am

re: #730 vxbush

And the baby never kicked? Come on.

I don't know about kicking. Never thought of that. One was my aunt who had quite a few kids. This was like number 7 or 8. The other woman was a young girl, her first (only) baby. So I don't know.

I know my kids kicked me a lot. But there's always variables.

I always figure just about anything's possible.

Incidentally............ that current story about the "pregnant man".......... everybody knows that's actually a woman who had her breasts removed and was administered testosterone to lower her voice and grow a wispy beard? But all her other organs, inside and out, are female. "Pregnant MAN" is a lie. She's a lesbian activist.

I don't mind how people want to live their lives. But I think it would be swell not to LIE about it.

775 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:34:35am

re: #762 incanus

I used to have a phobia about needles - I would freak out at the sight of a hypo. But somehow I got over it & now use blunt hypos to inject glue for model building. I still can't watch when I get blood work done, though - just stare up at the ceiling until it's over.

776 The Other Les  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:34:37am

re: #750 infidelia

I used to have a need to be Cosmically Significant. I got over it.

777 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:34:45am
778 Intrepid  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:34:50am

re: #759 WriterMom

Un-bee-lievable! A bouncing baby bee!

LOL!

779 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:34:54am

re: #744 WriterMom

Writer Mom - please send me an e-mail, or blue your nic.

780 opnion  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:35:01am

re: #768 ladycatnip

I just read on Drudge where Abu Dhabi is purchasing the Chrysler building in NY for 800M!

Why are we selling our prized real estate to the ME? Won't be surprised if they convert it to a mosque.


Cause they hve the dinero (petro dollars). The Japanese used to be the big spenders.
Big difference, we did not have to think about if the Japanese had bad intention.

781 vxbush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:35:16am

re: #762 incanus

In my case it's got something to do with the fact that the veins in my arms are deep, and hard to hit. There's no pain quite like getting blood drawn and having the nurse miss three times in a row. I just have them draw it from the back of my hand now, haven't passed out since I insisted they do that.

It's embarrassing but it's life.

I used to donate blood every eight weeks like clockwork. I had to stop because they couldn't get to the veins anymore. Too much scar tissue and the veins would roll like crazy. They now have to draw blood above or below the elbow in order to reach a good vein.

782 opnion  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:35:39am

re: #769 Cap'n DOC

Bones okay. PSA indicates cancer, and has for the past two years. Also AO related - Biopsies are negative. I'm part of a VA nationwide study - VA doesn't know why the incidence of prostate cancer is so high in AO exposed vets, but it is.

783 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:35:51am

re: #768 ladycatnip

If there's a housing bubble (and most experts say there is one, though the prices in the City remain supported at the current levels), then the Saudis will be selling it back to some US developer sooner or later at a loss.

The same thing happened in the 1980s with the Japanese buying Rockefeller Center, and they took a huge loss on that deal.

784 vxbush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:36:06am

re: #764 WriterMom

I have just two words for you, my friend.

Fried cauliflower.

(picture this being prepared at 7:30 a.m in August in Israel)

No, in my case it was formaldehyde. I took dissection while i was pregnant iwth the first. Bad idea. The smell still really bothers me.

785 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:36:12am

re: #779 reine.de.tout

I'll do both...I'll check my LGF mail address is a little bit!

786 The Other Les  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:36:13am

re: #762 incanus

I've had a second technician come in to assist the first technician in drawing blood.

787 infidelia  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:36:27am

re: #767 MandyManners

Narcissistic?

Doesn't even begin to state the case. You know that line "I bet you think this song is about you?" This guy thought movies were based on his life story and actors were cast on their resemblance to him.

788 Spider Mensch  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:36:37am

re: #752 WriterMom

Yes, I have just got the over-the-counter stuff. The brand name is Kwelada, or RC...with boys it's actually a little easier I've heard. Unfortunately-this kid of mine has gorgeous long hair. WAAAAAAA.

"RID, yup thats the name! Just flush those critters down the drain!.."

[Link: www.ridlice.com...]

789 Intrepid  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:36:49am

re: #765 infidelia

What I think we see here is De Nile in full flood. Or someone accustomed to significant indigestion.

And squirmy intestines.

790 realwest  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:37:30am

re: #732 Cap'n DOC
Hey - good for you (not that you have it, but that they're paying for the meds you need). You are the absolute FIRST veteran I've ever met who got anything out of that lawsuit (which finally made the damned VA sit up and take notice).

791 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:37:57am

re: #787 infidelia

Doesn't even begin to state the case. You know that line "I bet you think this song is about you?" This guy thought movies were based on his life story and actors were cast on their resemblance to him.

Whoa. Flaming narcissism! I wonder if there's a tad of paranoid-schizophrenia in the mix.

792 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:38:14am

re: #714 MandyManners

I would think that missing your period for six or so months would've been a giant clue.

Sometimes you are just so busy you simply don't notice. When I was pregnant with my third child I worked two jobs, had two other children, an invalid mother who lived 100 miles away that I had to care for every weekend and my husband's grandparents were dying to boot. I never had time even to sleep. So one day in late June I was putting bread on the shelf at our store, brain was drifting and it crossed my mind I hadn't had a period in a while . . . . . . . . everyone was there for dinner, must have been Thanksgiving or Christmas(!) Turned out I was preggers, due in a month and I had not noticed the first one half of a clue in all of that time.

793 infidelia  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:38:16am

re: #774 nonic

I don't know about kicking. Never thought of that. One was my aunt who had quite a few kids. This was like number 7 or 8. The other woman was a young girl, her first (only) baby. So I don't know.

I know my kids kicked me a lot. But there's always variables.

I always figure just about anything's possible.

Incidentally............ that current story about the "pregnant man".......... everybody knows that's actually a woman who had her breasts removed and was administered testosterone to lower her voice and grow a wispy beard? But all her other organs, inside and out, are female. "Pregnant MAN" is a lie. She's a lesbian activist.

I don't mind how people want to live their lives. But I think it would be swell not to LIE about it.

Enabled delusion. Nobody can tell her, "knock it off, Tracy, you're not a man you're a woman on testosterone" without getting slapped with a hate speech accusation. Story of our lives if Obama gets in.

794 The Other Les  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:38:23am

re: #787 infidelia

Doesn't even begin to state the case. You know that line "I bet you think this song is about you?" This guy thought movies were based on his life story and actors were cast on their resemblance to him.

I want to know who that idiot is.

795 coquimbojoe  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:38:47am

re: #734 cygnus

I've heard that people used to use kerosene.

Use cetaphil. cake it on let it dry - or blow dry it completely. let the kid sleep on it over night. then shampoo normally.

We went through this recently on our 9 year old, a child who you would think would be the last candidate for head lice. It works great and it is cheaper.

796 opnion  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:38:50am

re: #769 Cap'n DOC

Bones okay. PSA indicates cancer, and has for the past two years. Also AO related - Biopsies are negative. I'm part of a VA nationwide study - VA doesn't know why the incidence of prostate cancer is so high in AO exposed vets, but it is.


sorry, I hit a key & posted without a reply.
Sorry about your trouble . I trust that you are getting the best meduical care.
When I mentioned bones, I thought there was a mention of jungle rot.
Hang in there

797 laZardo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:38:53am

re: #780 opnion

Big difference, we did not have to think about if the Japanese had bad intention.

Because we're already quietly assimilated into the anime age. ^-^ Ya-tta zo~! oAo

re: #768 ladycatnip

For some reason I suspect Abu Dhabi has Dubai-envy.

Meanwhile, I saw an ad for Qatar Airlines a while back that advertised the wine they serve on their planes. Wth.

798 cygnus  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:39:05am

re: #771 infidelia

"Mary had a little lamb..."

...And the doctor was surprised.
Old McDonald had a farm
That day the doctor died."

799 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:39:42am

re: #690 Shiplord Kirel

I would like to have some kind of catapult that would pop up from my trunk and hurl cow manure, or similar munitions, at vehicles that were following too closely.
A 10 million candlepower searchlight for the idiots who leave their brights on would also be good in a pop-up installation.

Careful, you don't want to blind them so they run into you.
I usually flash my brakes as if I'm stopping. Then I slow down slowly until they go around me, if they can.
I have had a tailgater behind me pulled over - I was in the left lane, in traffic, and the idiot thought he could get me to go through the car in front of me or something. I left enough room; the cop could tell who was driving dangerously.

What bothers me, though, is when I pull over to let them by, and they get next to me and match speeds so I can't get back over. If they want to go fast, fine; pass and go.
One time I had someone who would go slow in front of me and then get behind me and tailgate when I tried to pass. I stayed behind him and got off at the next exit; fortunately I had only 1 exit to go and there was a parallel road.

800 tfc3rid  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:39:51am

re: #613 galloping granny

Yes - both the Wii and the WiiFit. Most any of the games would make great physical therapy, but the WiiFit is extensive and has some really fun things, does a lot of balance training, yoga, that kind of thing.

Love Wii Fit...

801 vxbush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:40:05am

re: #787 infidelia

Doesn't even begin to state the case. You know that line "I bet you think this song is about you?" This guy thought movies were based on his life story and actors were cast on their resemblance to him.

Good Lord. That's certifiable.

802 CIA Reject  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:40:21am

re: #750 infidelia

That's very close to the truth. What I encountered was someone with very high intelligence, great imagination, but linked to an overwhelming need to be Cosmically Significant. That and what was apparently a very warped upbringing. A "chosen one" complex if you will. Frankly I've never completely understood how they manage to split themselves and function in highly responsible positions, but they do. The delusional part of the personality is kept compartmentalized.

This "distended sense of self importance" is becoming more and more prominent and I suspect it is because the school system has substituted "self esteem enhancement" for education.

As for myself I have always maintained that the secret to success is obscurity.

803 opnion  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:40:51am

re: #783 lawhawk

If there's a housing bubble (and most experts say there is one, though the prices in the City remain supported at the current levels), then the Saudis will be selling it back to some US developer sooner or later at a loss.

The same thing happened in the 1980s with the Japanese buying Rockefeller Center, and they took a huge loss on that deal.

They bought up a lot of hotels in Hawaii at the same time. The exchange rate was so favorable.
Bad luck thogh , tourism took a dive.

804 coquimbojoe  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:40:51am

re: #754 galloping granny

Do not use lice shampoo any more often than every two weeks. It is poisonous and can cause health problems if used too frequently. Also, the lice become less susceptible to the product every time you use it.

I always found that picking nits by hand was much more effective than the comb. There is also an over the counter product that many doctors recommend these days rather than the prescription stuff that claims that you do not need to pick the nits. I've seen really good results with that. Again, no more often than every two weeks unless a doctor or the directions specifically tell you otherwise.

Forget washing stuff and drying it at home. The minute you take it out of the dryer it gets contaminated again. To the laundromat with you - and every stitch in the house.

CETAPHIL. I will repost this a couple of time. follow the directions, it works like a charm. and it is the cheapest.

805 Dustoff-507  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:41:14am

WOW I'm back. Got blown out and it took me awhile to get back in?

806 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:41:33am

re: #797 laZardo

Meanwhile, I saw an ad for Qatar Airlines a while back that advertised the wine they serve on their planes. Wth.

I thought wine was haram.

807 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:41:44am

re: #772 WriterMom

I haven't used the prescription stuff...just the over the counter stuff with nit-picking by hand and using the comb. The problem is that I don't have long nails and it's very tough to get the little tiny f*ckers off the individual strands of hair.

Yes, it is. I don't have long nails either. The darned things exude a glue that sticks them to the hair. I found the easiest way was to pick through one or two hairs at a time in front of a lamp - the light shows them up. Still easier than the bloody nit comb.

And I know what you're going through - my girls always had long hair too. The easiest thing is probably to cut her hair - not necessarily short, but shorter. You will have to do that yourself - hairdresser is not allowed to touch them in most states.

808 Sabnen  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:41:53am

re: #728 WriterMom

Don't beat yourself up, sometimes even the best of efforts are thwarted when it comes to lice.

Galloping Granny gave good advice.

Along the lines of tossing all stuffed animals in the dryer and cooking the critters on high is doing the same with your child's head . . . meaning using one of those old fashioned capped hair dryers that Mom used to use. Cap 'n' bake. Of course be careful not to set the heat too high, but high enough and long enough to dessicate your unwelcome invaders.

It was a lot of late nights for me. There are actually professional nit pickers out there (and not that annoying guy at work) who can help. In general it takes time and patience to eliminate this problem (as is the case with any meaningfully engaged problem) . . . patience and deep breathes. You can do it. It will soon be over.

Good luck.

809 infidelia  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:42:04am

re: #791 MandyManners

Whoa. Flaming narcissism! I wonder if there's a tad of paranoid-schizophrenia in the mix.

Technically I don't think so. Guy was/is highly functional. He didn't go roaming around in his bathrobe telling everyone he was, shall we say, Napoleon, he declared it a facet of his religious beliefs and threatened anyone who argued with the business end of a lawyer. BTW, he did this in public, on Oprah, and for the enlightenment of Newsweek magazine. Google a few of those names and see what you come up with.

810 coquimbojoe  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:42:37am

re: #752 WriterMom

Yes, I have just got the over-the-counter stuff. The brand name is Kwelada, or RC...with boys it's actually a little easier I've heard. Unfortunately-this kid of mine has gorgeous long hair. WAAAAAAA.

Cetaphil works wonders!

811 cygnus  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:42:51am

re: #775 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I used to have a phobia about needles - I would freak out at the sight of a hypo. But somehow I got over it & now use blunt hypos to inject glue for model building. I still can't watch when I get blood work done, though - just stare up at the ceiling until it's over.

I give blood and platelets regularly and I still look away when they stick that needle in.

812 infidelia  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:43:04am

re: #795 coquimbojoe

Use cetaphil. cake it on let it dry - or blow dry it completely. let the kid sleep on it over night. then shampoo normally.

We went through this recently on our 9 year old, a child who you would think would be the last candidate for head lice. It works great and it is cheaper.

How does head lice get started anyway? I've heard it's the best-scrubbed kids in the class who often get hit with them.

813 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:43:08am

re: #802 CIA Reject

This "distended sense of self importance" is becoming more and more prominent and I suspect it is because the school system has substituted "self esteem enhancement" for education.

As for myself I have always maintained that the secret to success is obscurity.

Soros can testify to that.

814 realwest  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:43:32am

re: #769 Cap'n DOC
WHAT?!? I've got semi-advanced Prostate Cancer and went to VA Hospital in NYC and they said "Not service related. End of story".

815 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:44:25am

re: #779 reine.de.tout

Whoa. I got bounced out..Weird...I'll check my mail soon.

816 coquimbojoe  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:44:40am

re: #808 Sabnen

Don't beat yourself up, sometimes even the best of efforts are thwarted when it comes to lice.

Galloping Granny gave good advice.

Along the lines of tossing all stuffed animals in the dryer and cooking the critters on high is doing the same with your child's head . . . meaning using one of those old fashioned capped hair dryers that Mom used to use. Cap 'n' bake. Of course be careful not to set the heat too high, but high enough and long enough to dessicate your unwelcome invaders.

It was a lot of late nights for me. There are actually professional nit pickers out there (and not that annoying guy at work) who can help. In general it takes time and patience to eliminate this problem (as is the case with any meaningfully engaged problem) . . . patience and deep breathes. You can do it. It will soon be over.

Good luck.

Cetaphil works! (No I do not own stock we just had a lice pandemic go trough the neighbor hood and two of my kids got em. we used the regular stuff on one and Cetaphil on the other. regular had a rlapse, cetaphil didn't.)

817 laZardo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:44:52am

re: #806 Honorary Yooper

Possibly anomalous, I know. o_O Meanwhile, in Kuwait...

/note the T-shirts as well as the games...

818 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:45:02am

re: #809 infidelia

Technically I don't think so. Guy was/is highly functional. He didn't go roaming around in his bathrobe telling everyone he was, shall we say, Napoleon, he declared it a facet of his religious beliefs and threatened anyone who argued with the business end of a lawyer. BTW, he did this in public, on Oprah, and for the enlightenment of Newsweek magazine. Google a few of those names and see what you come up with.

On Icke's page? Marrs'? Dice's?

819 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:45:44am

re: #816 coquimbojoe

So, are you saying that Cetaphil works?

820 coquimbojoe  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:46:00am

re: #812 infidelia

How does head lice get started anyway? I've heard it's the best-scrubbed kids in the class who often get hit with them.

That's what they say. The lice like clean hair. The first to get it is my cleanest child. I have no idea, maybe she put on someone elses hat.....

821 cygnus  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:46:55am

re: #806 Honorary Yooper

I thought wine was haram.

Maybe it's a misspelling of 'whine'.

822 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:46:57am
823 coquimbojoe  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:47:27am

re: #819 MandyManners

So, are you saying that Cetaphil works?

I've heard that..... ;-) we spent a fortune oin e the other stuff, but the cheapest stuff worked better and didn't require dad to go to Walgreens and buy lice shampoo. I'd rather buy feminine products.

824 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:47:34am
825 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:47:43am

re: #757 laZardo

No...but thanks for the idea. Reminds me of the little Luftwaffe crosses that Allied pilots used to put on their planes to mark their kill total.

All pilots did it. That's Richard Bong.

826 CIA Reject  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:47:48am

re: #822 buzzsawmonkey

They travel with the Head-Lice Horseman.



*GROAN!*

827 vxbush  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:47:56am

re: #820 coquimbojoe

That's what they say. The lice like clean hair. The first to get it is my cleanest child. I have no idea, maybe she put on someone elses hat.....

We had a nurse claim my son had lice years ago, before the accident, when he was about in second grade. We did everything by the book. Then when he returned to school she sent him home again, and I had to get the nurse to show me the lice.

She was pointing at his dandruff. He never had lice.

I was so angry I couldn't look at her for a week.

828 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:48:07am

Later....
Meeting time...

829 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:48:33am

re: #814 realwest

Did you claim exposure to AO? I did - because I was and I knew it - in 1971 when I got out. Perhaps that is why they're allowing it. I was in I Corps, where most of the AO was used. The Seebees that we were providing security for had the stuff in 50 gal. drums and were using a hand-sprayer to disperse it.

830 Ma Sands  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:48:34am

re: #822 buzzsawmonkey

Now THAT is a good one! :)

831 nonic  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:48:38am

re: #793 infidelia

Speaking of which, though, I read such a sweet story about a sex change operation recently. (Yeah, that's what I said :-)

Couple had been married like over 30 years and had 5 kids, when the man decided he really needed to be a woman. Okay. So he had a sex change operation and treatment. Because he became legally a woman, the couple had to get divorced. But they continued living together. And stayed together as a couple. Finally, when same-sex civil unions were offered (this was in England), they got a civil union. And they're still together.

That's love. (Or something close enough.)

What they do in their bedroom, I don't know and don't want to know. That's their business. But I think it's a sweet story about devotion.

-------------------------------------------

I gotta go now.

#664 buzzsawmonkey
#669 reine.de.tout
#674 lawhawk
#687 Occasional Reader
#708 alegrias
#727 realwest

Thanks for the a/c advice (and jokes :-)

Bye.

832 realwest  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:48:59am

WOW! Who knew that head lice were such a big problem?!
I'm serious - I don't think I've ever met ONE person (after Army days) who had a problem with head lice!

833 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:49:02am

re: #823 coquimbojoe

Does it smother the little boogers?

834 opnion  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:49:10am

re: #814 realwest

WHAT?!? I've got semi-advanced Prostate Cancer and went to VA Hospital in NYC and they said "Not service related. End of story".


Get you congessman involved & send letters to both US senators & write a letter to the editor. Compel them to provide treament.
Also the VFW provides advocacy even for nonmembers

835 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:49:11am

I don't know if there is Cetaphil here in Canada, I haven't heard of it...but there must be an equivalent. Thanks everyone for the suggestions. I'm sure we'll get through this.

836 mean Gene  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:49:17am

Last?
Obama: Chains You Can Believe In

837 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:50:02am

re: #817 laZardo


Iron Maiden - Killers! Nice!
/going off to bang my head for a bit before lunch.

838 Sabnen  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:50:22am

re: #820 coquimbojoe

That's what they say. The lice like clean hair. The first to get it is my cleanest child. I have no idea, maybe she put on someone elses hat.....

Little girls love to share their things. Head bands, hats, clips, scrunchies, sweaters with hoods; all of these things can be vectors for transferring lice from one kid to another.

839 CIA Reject  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:50:33am

re: #813 MandyManners

Soros can testify to that.

In this life anyway - I wouldn't want to occupy his shoes in the next...

840 coquimbojoe  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:50:42am

re: #833 MandyManners

Does it smother the little boogers?

Totally and completely. You dry the cetaphil after caking it on with a blow dryer.

841 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:50:47am

re: #828 jcm

Later....
Meeting time...

Meeting canceled...

842 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:51:13am

re: #832 realwest

WOW! Who knew that head lice were such a big problem?!
I'm serious - I don't think I've ever met ONE person (after Army days) who had a problem with head lice!

I bet you have, just no one admits it.

843 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:51:28am

re: #838 Sabnen

Little girls love to share their things.

Sugar and spice,
and everything lice

844 opnion  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:51:29am

re: #836 mean Gene

Last?
Obama: Chains You Can Believe In

Wait, he wants to administer breathalysers to asthmatic kids.

845 galloping granny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:51:54am

re: #812 infidelia

How does head lice get started anyway? I've heard it's the best-scrubbed kids in the class who often get hit with them.

That is not true. Clean children are no more prone to lice than dirty ones. Lice are like fleas. In general you go somewhere where someone else who already had head lice has been and left eggs or even live lice behind and they hitch a ride. Some places I've seen people pick up lice over the years are in a dental chair, from the headrests on a bus/airplane, by having their coat hung on a rack with a bunch of other coats and of course at school.

I've known of one school system that had such an epidemic of lice some years back that they ended up recruiting the Visiting Nurse Association and just about every other pair of hands in town and doing every single child in town all at the same time. Which is why it is so important to treat every single person in your house if one person has lice and not to send the kids back to school until you are sure they are lice free.

846 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:52:04am

re: #842 reine.de.tout

Yes-because there is a stigma attached to it...lice love clean hair-not shmutzy kids with dirty hair...

847 Ma Sands  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:52:10am

re: #831 nonic

I think it's a sweet story about devotion.


It truly is.....but oh, my --the untangling those 5 kids will have to have happen in their minds! :)

848 cygnus  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:52:16am

re: #824 taxfreekiller

On the Global Warming Lies and Fraud.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Check out the charts on numbers of sun spots current.

Check out current data on sun spots and the current cycle.

read the wiki info, to include the "little ice age" info.

Facts count.

I've seen sunspots both naked eye (through fog) and with my filtered telescope. They're fascinating!

849 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:52:25am

re: #843 Occasional Reader

OMG I am gonna whack ya.

850 infidelia  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:52:26am

re: #818 MandyManners

On Icke's page? Marrs'? Dice's?

Dice's. Seriously, this is sort of giving me the squicks. If you manage to identify this person do NOT, repeat, NOT, bring up his name on the thread. He'll leave Dice alone because Dice is obviously a nut but he does not take kindly to serious exposure and I don't want to be the one who gave him reason to notice us. If you do find him you may notice his name is linked with a certain government agency. Nuff said.

Whatever he is up to I just hope he is still on "our side" in whatever warped form he sees that.