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Airstrike in Pakistan: a High Value Target?

Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 9:07:06 am PDT

LGF sources are telling me that we may have gotten a very big fish in Pakistan, in this reported airstrike: Report: US strikes inside Mohmand tribal agency - The Long War Journal.

The US military may have conducted its fifth known strike inside Pakistani territory against the Taliban and al Qaeda bases this year, an unnamed Pakistani official told Reuters.

The airstrike is thought to have been carried out inside the Mohmand tribal agency. “There was an attack by a spy plane close to the Afghan border but we don’t have information about casualties or damage,” the unnamed Pakistani government official said.

UPDATE at 6/11/08 9:08:31 am:

Jawa Report is also hearing the rumors: The Jawa Report: [UPDATE: Zawahiri Killed?] U.S. Missile Hits Pakistani Target.

UPDATE at 6/11/08 9:11:52 am:

A contradictory report: Pakistan condemns ‘cowardly’ U.S. attack; 11 dead.

ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Pakistan said on Wednesday an “unprovoked and cowardly” air strike by U.S. forces had killed 11 Pakistani soldiers on its border with Afghanistan and undermined the basis of security cooperation.

The soldiers were killed at a border post in the Mohmand region, opposite Afghanistan’s Kunar province, late on Tuesday as U.S. coalition forces in Afghanistan battled militants attacking from Pakistan, a Pakistani security official said.

The U.S. military said in a statement issued on Wednesday that it had coordinated the artillery and air strike with Pakistan, but was investigating further.

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1 Shug  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:07:45am

Rest in pieces

2 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:08:27am

I hope it's dr. zawahiri!

3 stuiec  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:08:52am

Is the new Pakistani government on board with this or not? I heard that they stopped their formal "agreement" with the tribal leaders in the provinces bordering Afghanistan...

4 coquimbojoe  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:09:14am

All they could find was a piece of forehead with a birthmark attched.....

5 Ben Hur  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:09:19am

Bombing Cambodia.

6 Shug  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:09:27am

re: #2 Sharmuta

I hope it's dr. zawahiri!

Bumpy go thumpy

7 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:09:30am
UPDATE: Zawahiri Killed?

YES! Please, God- let it be true!

8 stuiec  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:09:40am

re: #2 Sharmuta

I hope it's dr. zawahiri!

He's a doctor. He should be able to sew himself back together.

"That's me all over!"

9 SpartanWoman  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:10:11am

re: #2 Sharmuta

I hope it's dr. zawahiri!

Me too! But chances are the terrorists will kill a bunch of kids and women and trot the bodies out for the cameras....then the MSM will denounce those that strive to keep them free to lie about their nation.

10 debutaunt  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:10:40am

Maybe it was a tall gent attached to a dialysis machine.

11 Terp Mole  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:10:57am

Has Howard Dean questioned the timing yet?

12 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:11:04am

That last batch of dialysis machine with the embedded GPS transponder finally paid off.

13 the Termlimator  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:11:04am

Re-fuel and send the drones back out

14 The Other Les  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:11:16am

Ouch!

15 Genosaurer  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:11:16am

re: #8 stuiec

He's a doctor. He should be able to sew himself back together.

"That's me all over!"

Physician, heal thyself?

16 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:11:54am

Another Al Qaeda #3 is pining for the fjords.

17 Shug  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:11:57am

Forehead bruises make nice targets for the laser

18 Seraphym  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:12:21am

#2 Al-Qaeda #30-something going to collect his 72 white grapes?

That's some change I can hope for right there...

19 FrogMarch  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:12:33am

Meanwhile - Mark Udall wants to kill Osama bin Laden.


/doesn't have a clue that he's already dead

20 SpartanWoman  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:12:56am

re: #12 jcm

That last batch of dialysis machine with the embedded GPS transponder finally paid off.

Good one! Can you imagine the media reaction if it was that sack of crud bin laden? I, however, think that whore has been dead for a very long time. Otherwise they'd have decent video of him instead of the retreads they release.

21 BingoBunny  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:12:57am

I just hope no one from Obama was meeting with them at the time..

/fingers crossed

22 NoSubmission  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:13:28am

Zawahiri a pink mist?
That would make my day !

23 jamgarr  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:13:50am

re: #4 coquimbojoe

All they could find was a piece of forehead with a birthmark attched.....

That's nurture, not nature.

24 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:13:50am

The BBC is squaking about this; tisk tisk collateral damage & death

All sad of course, really.

It is a tragic world at this point in history.

25 ModerateWolverine  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:13:53am

re: #21 BingoBunny

I just hope no one from Obama was meeting with them at the time..

/fingers crossed

hahaha

You never know with that bunch.

26 Ben Hur  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:14:08am

Zawahiri?

Impossible.

McCain has him locked away in Arizona to whip out just before Election Day.

27 Roentgen  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:14:15am

Pakistan condemns ‘cowardly’ U.S. attack; 11 dead.

Usually, when they say "cowardly," it means we got somebody.

28 firebreather  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:14:16am

"If Bush were serious about fighting terrorism, he'd bomb the White House & Pentagon. Besides, everybody knows bin Laden & Zawahiri have been working for the CIA for decades..."

--94% of Ivy-League Professors in the Humanities

29 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:14:20am

re: #20 SpartanWoman

Good one! Can you imagine the media reaction if it was that sack of crud bin laden? I, however, think that whore has been dead for a very long time. Otherwise they'd have decent video of him instead of the retreads they release.

Yeah, his been dead a looong time.
Couldn't resisted a dialysis crack.

30 laZardo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:15:21am

What do you expect? The "contradictory" report's from Reuters. (;

31 anotherindyfilmguy  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:16:11am

We should "lease" the border region from Pakistan for five years for a few billion dollars or so... then do there what we did in Afghanistan... Then give it back to the Pakistanis when we're done with it...

32 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:16:15am

re: #4 coquimbojoe

That ain't a birthmark - it's a prayer-bump.

33 Sponge  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:16:26am

Rumor rumor rumor.....

I'll wait for the DNA tests.

34 tfc3rid  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:16:45am

I for one will pray we did send ANY big AlQ fish to the holy virgins...

And as for collateral damage? The fact that this would be poo-poohed is exactly why we are so damn afraid to execute a war properly... The hand wringing is dangerous...

35 mean Gene  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:16:53am

That's no birthmark!
That's his ''raisin'' from banging his head against the rug 47 times a day during those 5 prayer periods.
(How do Muslims ever get anything done, anyway?)

36 Terp Mole  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:17:19am

Does this mean muslimah can join the jihadi splodeydopes now?

37 looking closely  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:17:22am

48 hour rule. . .

38 Ben Hur  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:17:53am
ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Pakistan said on Wednesday an “unprovoked and cowardly” air strike by U.S. forces had killed 11 Pakistani soldiers on its border with Afghanistan and undermined the basis of security cooperation.

This from a government and military that hasn't the balls to take control of huge areas of its own territory.

39 tfc3rid  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:17:53am

re: #37 looking closely

48 hour rule. . .

For sure...

40 coquimbojoe  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:17:55am

re: #33 Sponge

Rumor rumor rumor.....

I'll wait for the DNA tests.

Yeah, me too. I like that they can no longer feel safe in Pakistan though....

41 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:17:58am
Pakistan said on Wednesday an “unprovoked and cowardly” air strike by U.S. forces had killed 11 Pakistani soldiers on its border with Afghanistan and undermined the basis of security cooperation.

Not likely- that's more the style of jihadis than the American forces. I don't buy it.

42 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:18:08am

re: #3 stuiec

The Pakistani press has been reporting that the agreement has been dead for a while now. I would give you a link, but it was reported last week in the "Daily Times" that this was the case.

43 The Other Les  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:18:24am

re: #35 mean Gene

(How do Muslims ever get anything done, anyway?)


Sword to the throat of an infidel.

That was a rhetorical question? Right?

44 tfc3rid  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:18:37am

re: #38 Ben Hur

This from a government and military that hasn't the balls to take control of huge areas of its own territory.

Consider those 'soliders' KIA's... Hopefully they were supporting the US, not hindering our operations...

45 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:18:40am

re: #37 looking closely

48 hour rule. . .

I agree- but I'm cautiously optimistic.

46 realwest  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:18:52am

As much as I'd like to believe we got Zawahiri, I say this needs AT LEAST a 24 hour rule.
Dude's been rumored to have been killed more often than I can count.

47 Ben Hur  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:19:07am
“unprovoked and cowardly” air strike

Real men strap bombs on themselves and enter cafes, etc.

Good to see that Maher is writing Paki press releases on his off time.

48 ec marm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:19:30am

re: #16 Killgore Trout

Another Al Qaeda #3 is pining for the fjords.


10 rem al q prg
20 x = 1
30 for x = 1 to 100000000
40 kill al qaeda #x
50 next

49 paradox42  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:19:43am
Pakistan said on Wednesday an “unprovoked and cowardly” air strike by U.S. forces had killed 11 Pakistani soldiers on its border with Afghanistan and undermined the basis of security cooperation.

Of course stoning defenseless rape victims is courageous in the eyes of these jackoffs.

50 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:19:45am

re: #35 mean Gene

They are too busy inventing ways to kill each other in between prayers, at least they are trying to invent SOMETHING!

51 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:20:21am

re: #46 realwest

As much as I'd like to believe we got Zawahiri, I say this needs AT LEAST a 24 hour rule.
Dude's been rumored to have been killed more often than I can count.

It will take at least that long to sponge up some samples, 12 hours to send to DC, and 48 for testing.

84 hour rule.....

52 tfc3rid  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:20:23am

re: #47 Ben Hur

Real men strap bombs on themselves and enter cafes, etc.

Good to see that Maher is writing Paki press releases on his off time.

Yeah, the whole 'unprovoked and cowardly' is insane... If Zawahiri happens to be in that area, I would say that is provocation, since we are at war with him and his group...

to say otherwise is just another example of media bias.

53 mean Gene  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:20:27am

re: #43 The Other Les

Sword to the throat of an infidel.

That was a rhetorical question? Right?

Yeah.....without Dhimmi's they would be forced to actually get up in the AM and get something productive done.....maybe.

54 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:20:46am

re: #48 ec marm

Good code - NEXT.

55 nikis-knight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:20:55am

re: #20 SpartanWoman

Good one! Can you imagine the media reaction if it was that sack of crud bin laden? I, however, think that whore has been dead for a very long time. Otherwise they'd have decent video of him instead of the retreads they release.

I can imagine the DKos reaction--
"The only reason to use air strikes and missles is to avoid a trial that would have revealed embarassing information about Bushco!"

56 jamgarr  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:21:10am

re: #51 jcm


sponge up some samples

/this should rotate

57 Seraphym  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:21:16am

re: #30 laZardo

What do you expect? The "contradictory" report's from Reuters. (;

I'm waiting on the Aw/TP to claim that all we hit was a madrassa filled with innocent little darlings, who were all going to grow up to be the Obamas of their country until the evil imperialists cut their 'holy' lives short...

I will be floored if the Aw/TP or AFP use the word terrorist to describe the recently disassembled departed .

58 seekeroftruth  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:21:30am
U.S. says it coordinated border raid with Pakistan

The U.S. military said on Wednesday that an air and artillery raid which Pakistan said killed 11 of its soldiers on the Afghan border was aimed at Taliban militants and had been coordinated with Pakistan.

"...Coalition forces informed the Pakistan Army that they were being engaged by anti-Afghan forces ...," the U.S. military said in a statement. It added that coalition forces were engaged by anti-Afghan forces during an operation "that had been previously coordinated with Pakistan".

Pakistan earlier denounced the air strike as "unprovoked and cowardly", saying it killed 11 soldiers and undermined the basis of security cooperation.


[Link: www.reuters.com...]

59 wolfie  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:21:37am

re: #42 Shr_Nfr

The Pakistani press has been reporting that the agreement has been dead for a while now. I would give you a link, but it was reported last week in the "Daily Times" that this was the case.

Of course what they say publicly and what they encourage privately are two different things.

60 alegrias  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:21:38am

Naturally, the BBC's Taliban sources demand fair & balanced reporting:

"...Maulvi Umar, spokesman for a pro-Taleban militant group in Pakistan, told the BBC: "The Afghan army and the US troops there were trying to set up a checkpost on the border.

"So we launched an attack on them from several sides and caused serious harm - and then the US and Nato forces began a series of air strikes...

61 VegasRick  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:21:43am

Bagdad Bob says "the infidels attempted to kill some holy warriors but their missiles went astray and blew up a Starbucks in East LA."

62 Shug  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:21:50am

Obama suggests we should have tried diplomacy first.

63 CIA Reject  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:22:00am

"...air strike by U.S. forces had killed 11 Pakistani soldiers on its border with Afghanistan "

I wonder if that could have been the "Z-man's" security detail?

No matter- the spin will be a botched attack killed friends, invalids, widows, and orphans...

Still I wonder - what really happened?

64 BIG  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:22:03am

We will know if we got the doctor when all his press releases are in the form of poor audio tapes.

65 Cognito  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:22:14am
UPDATE at 6/11/08 9:11:52 am:

A contradictory report: Pakistan condemns ‘cowardly’ U.S. attack; 11 dead.

Well that's a humdinger of an update.

Somebody in Pakistan doesn't have his act together. Let's hope it's the Pakistani security flack, and not the American one.

66 firebreather  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:22:54am

"I just think we all need to shart showing a lot more compassion for Zawahiri..."

--Richard Gere, Matt Damon, Sean Penn, et al.

67 bulwrk  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:23:55am

Pakistani military condemned the killing of the 11 paramilitary soldiers, including an officer.

Why is that screaming militants paid by the tribal agency to me?

68 realwest  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:24:49am

Y'all realize we've now got BBC and AP pissed off at Reuters for, ya know, letting the truth slip out!
Bad Reuters, Bad. Down boy, down!

69 calvin coolidge  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:25:06am

When BHO is prez the headlines would read:
"Brave Coalition Troops End Terrorists Rampage"
"Free Nations Everywhere Thank BHO's Leadership"

70 hennigan's wake  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:25:43am

like the folks above, we have been hearing these things for years now...I think the 48 hr rule should be extended to the 72 hr rule, but thats just me being finicky.

I think the real story is that the badlands of Pakistan are no longer a haven. A little drone action goes a long, long way.

The BBC coverage is telling. The reason they are so obsessive about collateral damage is not their intuitive anti-Americanism; its vestiginal guilt about WWII's bombing campaigns. It's a fact.

71 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:26:04am

re: #63 CIA Reject

It was a Wedding reception.

72 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:26:07am

re: #31 anotherindyfilmguy

We couldn't lease it from the Pakistanis because the Pakistani government in Islamabad doesn't even control those territories. They're pretty much autonomous and inviting of terrorists and the scum of the earth in the process.

73 realwest  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:26:16am

re: #61 VegasRick
"blew up a Starbucks in East LA." What makes you think they went astray?!?

74 alegrias  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:26:30am

Anyone know whether those hundreds of thousands of Pakistani lawyers that burned Musharraf in effigy this week, are SHARIA lawyers?

Just wondering.

75 jamgarr  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:26:40am

re: #70 hennigan's wake


I think the real story is that the badlands of Pakistan are no longer a haven. A little drone action goes a long, long way.

/what you said

76 Terp Mole  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:26:57am

Strata-sphere Update: US-NATO forces coordinated the attacks on militants with the Pakistani Military before the attacks took, place - which tells me these must have been high valued targets:...Coalition forces informed the Pakistan Army that they were being engaged by anti-Afghan forces ...,

” the U.S. military said in a statement. It added that coalition forces were engaged by anti-Afghan forces during an operation “that had been previously coordinated with Pakistan

So, were those Frontier Corps members actually covering for a high valued target?

77 CIA Reject  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:28:35am

re: #71 Cap'n DOC

It was a Wedding reception.

Really? I thought we got all of those already. I was hoping for a baby milk factory myself...

////////////////////////////////////////////////// /////////////////////////

78 incanus  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:28:49am

re: #70 hennigan's wake

like the folks above, we have been hearing these things for years now...I think the 48 hr rule should be extended to the 72 hr rule, but thats just me being finicky.

I think the real story is that the badlands of Pakistan are no longer a haven. A little drone action goes a long, long way.

The BBC coverage is telling. The reason they are so obsessive about collateral damage is not their intuitive anti-Americanism; its vestiginal guilt about WWII's bombing campaigns. It's a fact.

Indeed; there's a lot of discussion as to whether Harris's city-busting campaigns were effective military operations, or just revenge.

79 SpartanWoman  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:28:56am

re: #73 realwest

"blew up a Starbucks in East LA." What makes you think they went astray?!?

Because they were aiming for the code pink whackpacks in san francisco! That's why!

80 incanus  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:29:38am

re: #76 Terp Mole

Strata-sphere Update: US-NATO forces coordinated the attacks on militants with the Pakistani Military before the attacks took, place - which tells me these must have been high valued targets:...Coalition forces informed the Pakistan Army that they were being engaged by anti-Afghan forces ...,

So, were those Frontier Corps members actually covering for a high valued target?

I think the Pakistani release is pandering to the folks at home.

"We're not cooperating with the Americans! No no no!"

81 alegrias  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:29:50am

Oddly enough,
"...Late on Tuesday, Pakistan's military denounced a report by the US-funded Rand corporation accusing Pakistan's intelligence services and its paramilitaries of supporting Taleban insurgents with information and training. ..."

from that BBC report

82 shiplord kirel  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:30:05am

re: #63 CIA Reject

"...air strike by U.S. forces had killed 11 Pakistani soldiers on its border with Afghanistan "

I wonder if that could have been the "Z-man's" security detail?

No matter- the spin will be a botched attack killed friends, invalids, widows, and orphans...

Still I wonder - what really happened?

My Helmand-Lubbock bush telegraph is reporting a rumor of exactly that this morning: The dead soldiers were in fact ISI men collaborating with the fish, who may not have been Zawahiri but the one and only bigger one.

83 Sunlight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:30:11am

re: #76 Terp Mole

Strata-sphere Update: US-NATO forces coordinated the attacks on militants with the Pakistani Military before the attacks took, place - which tells me these must have been high valued targets:...Coalition forces informed the Pakistan Army that they were being engaged by anti-Afghan forces ...,

So, were those Frontier Corps members actually covering for a high valued target?

Exactly what went through my mind first. If the U.S. passed along word that they would hit, then the people close by may have been trying to protect or evacuate the Hitteee.

84 Sunlight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:31:05am

re: #81 alegrias

I used to work there... good for them.

85 Seraphym  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:31:08am

re: #76 Terp Mole

So, were those Frontier Corps members actually covering for a high valued target?

You mean like the 100+ Pakistani company of soldiers that surrendered to the Taliban fighters without firing a shot in protest?

It's a valid question....

86 incanus  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:31:20am

re: #83 Sunlight

Exactly what went through my mind first. If the U.S. passed along word that they would hit, then the people close by may have been trying to protect or evacuate the Hitteee.

We're bombing Hittites now? Have we no respect for ancient cultures?!?

/

87 alegrias  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:31:57am

re: #84 Sunlight

I used to work there... good for them.

* * *
Thank you for your service! They also serve, who worked at Rand!

88 CIA Reject  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:32:31am

re: #82 shiplord kirel

My Helmand-Lubbock bush telegraph is reporting a rumor of exactly that this morning: The dead soldiers were in fact ISI men collaborating with the fish, who may not have been Zawahiri but the one and only bigger one.

G*d willing!

89 Sunlight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:32:49am

re: #87 alegrias

haha

90 Roentgen  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:33:21am

re: #32 Cap'n DOC

That ain't a birthmark - it's a prayer-bump.

I'd like to tee-off on that prayer-bump, on a nice, green fairway.

91 Sunlight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:33:59am

re: #87 alegrias

It's a tough job there by the pier, but someone's got to do it.
/

92 jamgarr  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:35:33am

An extra benefit of the UAV hits is the video for posterity.

/think Zarqawi

93 jamgarr  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:37:38am

re: #92 jamgarr

An extra benefit of the UAV hits is the video for posterity.

/think Zarqawi


Although I think that maybe the Zarq hit was bombs filmed by a UAV (or was it guncam?)

94 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:38:05am

re: #55 nikis-knight

I can imagine the DKos reaction--
"The only reason to use air strikes and missles is to avoid a trial that would have revealed embarassing information about Bushco!"

Or the troofers - they had to kill the Pakistanis because they knew Bushco carried out 9/11.

95 Thanos  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:38:09am

Just a side note on this -- I have it from some authoritative sources who will remain unamed that since the change in gov'ts in Pakistan the back channel military chatter has changed.

e.g. the old way was:

"we're making a strike" - US
"Ok we'll not say a word until forced to" Pakistan


The new way is:

"we are making a strike" - US

"Ok, but we are going to report that civilians were killed" - Pakistan

96 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:39:07am

Unless the Pakistan army men were in plain clothes, it would be easy to identify them from the Predator.
Even if they were cooperating with the target, the political risks are so high that it would take a huge pay-off for the controllers to give the go-ahead under those circumstances.
I think this is a very big fish indeed. It remains to be seen whether they actually got him.

97 chingachgook  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:40:05am

We know where these bastards are hiding out. Waiting for them to crawl out from under a rock is taking too long. And it just allows them more time to breed more snakes. How many bunker busters would it take to turn a mountain into a anthill?

Tired of walking on eggshells with Pakistan. What would Patton do?

98 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:42:11am

I agree with several other posters here.
I think we "coordinated" with Pakistan, knowing full well that the ISM guys would go warn the terrorists and lead us right to them.

99 itellu3times  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:42:17am

re: #76 Terp Mole

So, were those Frontier Corps members actually covering for a high valued target?

If by that you mean carefully ignoring, that was my guess, too.

100 debutaunt  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:42:54am

re: #90 Roentgen

I'd like to tee-off on that prayer-bump, on a nice, green fairway.

Hopefully, your golf swing is erratic.

101 itellu3times  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:43:08am

re: #78 incanus

Indeed; there's a lot of discussion as to whether Harris's city-busting campaigns were effective military operations, or just revenge.

On that scale, small difference.

102 chingachgook  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:45:43am

One more thing.

The Romans would have displayed some heads on a pike. IMHO this is the only thing they understand. I'd spike their skulls on the fence around gitmo.

103 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:47:26am

re: #78 incanus

Indeed; there's a lot of discussion as to whether Harris's city-busting campaigns were effective military operations, or just revenge.

I note that historians like to say that the German war production increased even with the air raids, to say that the air raids were ineffective.
But that doesn't give us the proper comparison. We need to know (but probably can't) what the production would have been without the air raids, and compare it to the figure with the air raids.

Add that to the fighter aircraft that were needed to defend the cities and therefore not available for ground support or other offensive operations, and we might find that the bombing missions were useful.

104 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:49:33am

re: #102 chingachgook

One more thing.

The Romans would have displayed some heads on a pike. IMHO this is the only thing they understand. I'd spike their skulls on the fence around gitmo.

Not around Gitmo. Those terrorists are already nabbed. We want other terrorists to see them where the heads can change their minds. I think the heads also should be slathered in lard and pigskin, with a sign "No virgins for him"

105 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:50:24am

re: #31 anotherindyfilmguy

We should "lease" the border region from Pakistan for five years for a few billion dollars or so... then do there what we did in Afghanistan... Then give it back to the Pakistanis when we're done with it...

Indy -

Buy it and give it to Afghanistan - The same Tribes live on BOTH sides anyway. Kind of a Central Asian Gadsden Purchase.

-S-

106 yma o hyd  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:57:18am

Just a footnote:
the correspondent reporting for the BBC from Islamabad, a certain Barbara Plett, is on record as having cried when arafish died ... she was reporting from Israel then.

107 Pyrocles  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 10:00:29am

re: #35 mean Gene

That's no birthmark!
That's his ''raisin'' from banging his head against the rug 47 times a day during those 5 prayer periods.
(How do Muslims ever get anything done, anyway?)

Back in their glorious days of conquest, their kafir slaves did all the work while they prayed and collected the Jizya.

108 RobCon  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 10:01:38am

I heard this reported on the BBC World Service by that beeb hag Barbara Plett who is known for crying at Arafat's burial.
She gave a big report on civilians killed but not a word of Zawahri.
Figures.

109 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 10:05:15am

re: #108 RobCon

I heard this reported on the BBC World Service by that beeb hag Barbara Plett who is known for crying at Arafat's burial.
She gave a big report on civilians killed but not a word of Zawahri.
Figures.

Well, if she didn't cry over Zawahri, maybe we really didn't get him.

110 shanimal1918  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 10:07:32am
The attack "hit at the very basis of cooperation and sacrifice with which Pakistani soldiers are supporting the coalition in the war against terror," the military said.

"Such acts of aggression do not serve the common cause of fighting terrorism," it said in a statement.

The military said this? WTF does that mean? Why don't they give a spokesperson name? Sounds way to suspicious to me. Maybe this is actually a Reuters reporter aka terrorist spokesperson making these bogus statement that the MSM love to quote?

111 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 10:10:24am

Be very suspicious of any named or unnamed Pakistani official, commenting on this attack. They don't control the area, so how would they get an accurate report on who was killed so fast?

Besides, the Taliban spokesman's report agrees with the US report as to who was killed:

A spokesman for the Pakistani Taliban said they attacked U.S. and Afghan forces as they were setting up a position on the Pakistan side of the border, and eight Taliban were killed and nine wounded in subsequent U.S. bombing.

The militant spokesman, Maulvi Omar, said by telephone he had heard that U.S. aircraft had also bombed a nearby Pakistani post, while the Taliban had captured seven Afghan troops and shot down a helicopter.

According to the Taliban, no Pakistani soldiers were involved.

112 redheadredstate  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 10:10:47am

Oh please, oh please let this be true. I've always wanted to get Doc Z since 911. If this turns out to be true I'm adding a new holiday to the redhead household. Doc Z Day will be celebrated with much dancing and the serving of pork chops.

113 jordash1212  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 10:24:11am

I was wondering if you were ever going to stop this rant about the Obama website... apparently it was short lived.

114 harmless  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 10:30:23am

Fingers and toes crossed we got the Z-monkey!

Can't say I'm surprised at the BBC coverage, after all it's very hard to report the legitimate Allied point of view when all your sources are "embedded" with those brave Islamist school burners.

Check out their report on Lord Elis-Thomas of the Welsh Assembly emailing the Welsh Assembly (that's the fake Welsh "parliament") Members saying they shouldn't meet with the Israeli ambassador, a meeting arranged by the only MUSLIM member! Of course, Al Beeb forgot to mention that Lord Elis-Thomas is a leading Welsh Communist, left his wife for the American CND nutjob Marjorie Thompson, and is the leader of the racist Plaid Cymru (Welsh Nationalists)

115 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 10:33:02am
116 Vampire On K  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 10:33:12am

I love spy planes... Especially when they kill terrorists.

117 itellu3times  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 10:44:18am

re: #103 Kosh's Shadow

I note that historians like to say that the German war production increased even with the air raids, to say that the air raids were ineffective.
But that doesn't give us the proper comparison. We need to know (but probably can't) what the production would have been without the air raids, and compare it to the figure with the air raids.

Add that to the fighter aircraft that were needed to defend the cities and therefore not available for ground support or other offensive operations, and we might find that the bombing missions were useful.

Hitting point targets was nearly impossible, area bombing was a blunt tool, but it's all we had.

118 incanus  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 10:51:08am

re: #117 itellu3times

Hitting point targets was nearly impossible, area bombing was a blunt tool, but it's all we had.

It was?

The 8th Air Force (USAAF) made a point of "precision bombing", which meant daylight raids, formation flying, and attendant large losses. Raids were against specific targets using the (at the time) state-of-the-art Norden bombsight.

RAF tactics were different; they indeed did area bombing against city centers, because area bombing is really only effective against cities.

It's an age old argument and one we probably won't resolve here.

119 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 10:58:28am

re: #102 chingachgook

The brits used to know this.
Heads on pikes.

120 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:14:03am

re: #118 incanus

It was?

The 8th Air Force (USAAF) made a point of "precision bombing", which meant daylight raids, formation flying, and attendant large losses. Raids were against specific targets using the (at the time) state-of-the-art Norden bombsight.

RAF tactics were different; they indeed did area bombing against city centers, because area bombing is really only effective against cities.

It's an age old argument and one we probably won't resolve here.

Against Japan, we used city-wide raids using incendiaries. The Japanese had a lot of home workshops doing military work, and this was the only way to get them.
Many more died in the resulting firestorms than at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
But it did shorten the war.
I like to point out that the nuclear bombs probably saved plenty of Japanese lives, too, to any moonbats who say we shouldn't have used them. But I rarely get the chance.

121 AuntAcid  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:16:23am

re: #113 jordash1212

I was wondering if you were ever going to stop this rant about the Obama website... apparently it was short lived.

"short-lived"? Wonder no more.

122 incanus  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:19:18am

re: #120 Kosh's Shadow

Against Japan, we used city-wide raids using incendiaries. The Japanese had a lot of home workshops doing military work, and this was the only way to get them.
Many more died in the resulting firestorms than at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
But it did shorten the war.
I like to point out that the nuclear bombs probably saved plenty of Japanese lives, too, to any moonbats who say we shouldn't have used them. But I rarely get the chance.

Oh, I know (I'm a bit of a history nut, particularly with the world wars). I agree 100% with your take on the atomic weapons used against Japan since they just weren't getting the message with the B-29 bomber streams burning down Tokyo and other large cities.

Here's the difference between the RAF's city busting and our incendiary raids, as I see it: Germany didn't have the home workshop thing going to anywhere near the degree Japan did; in fact a large portion of German industry had moved literally underground. The only exception I can think of would be the FW-190 which had many parts produced in small (home?) workshops, and then those parts were shipped and assembled elsewhere.

123 uptight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:30:50am

If it is the Big Z, can I request that LGF uses the culturally sensitive headline "BUMPY BUMPED OFF!"

124 indythinker  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:36:01am

There is only one piece of evidence that suggests we got somebody big. That is Pakistan's criticism of the "cowardly" attack.

I think we might have hit somebody high up.

125 indythinker  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:39:42am

#122 icanus

Here's the difference between the RAF's city busting and our incendiary raids, as I see it: Germany didn't have the home workshop thing

Another difference: the Germans had bombed British population centers with V-1s and V-2s, etc, for years before the RAF firebombed Dresden, etc. The Japanese killed very few US civilians who were at the time of their killing on US mainland. (I realize US civilians were killed by the Empire of Japan in the Phillippines and Hawaii, which were both US territories at the time.)

126 Evil Klown  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:04:35pm

Mark Levin sings Kumbaya for the terrorists.

127 Viking6  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:28:22pm

re: #24 Ojoe
DRESDEN...nuff said

128 SuchAnInfidel  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:09:28pm

The longer time goes on without U.S. comment, the more encouraged I become. Remember the strike on the Syrian Nuc facility, no word for months.

129 jcbunga  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:40:08pm

"Tribal agency"?

I wonder if they have casino's?

130 Goosio  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:14:58pm
A contradictory report: Pakistan condemns ‘cowardly’ U.S. attack; 11 dead.

You know what I think is pretty cowardly? The Pakistani government refusing to exercise rule over the "restive tribal regions." Probably because their Army would get its ass kicked by the local yokels. It's pretty cowardly when you're afraid to walk in your own backyard.

Is this area part of the cursed country or not?

131 lostlakehiker  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:16:47pm

According to network news reports, the Pakistanis have several regular army dead as a result of this incident. According to U.S. 82 airborne div., the incident began when Taliban forces fired on U.S. forces in Afghanistan, from within Afghanistan. When 82 returned fire, Taliban retreated into Pakistan. Fire then commenced from those positions inside Pakistan that Taliban had retreated to. U.S. forces again returned fire, including calling in air strikes.

Now, connect the dots. It sounds as if regular Pakistan Army troops inside Pakistan were serving with Taliban forces, and coordinated fire against U.S. army forces inside Afghanistan. They lost the firefight. Now they call our air strike cowardly and unprovoked.

It was neither. It was what any warrior would expect. You shoot at somebody who has weapons and authorization, and he'll shoot back.


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