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Pat Buchanan's Magazine Suggests Israel Was Responsible for 9/11

Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 11:23:44 am PDT

I’ve been watching as one cable channel after another trots out Pat Buchanan as a legitimate representative of conservative views. Hannity and Colmes, Glenn Beck, MSNBC, you name it, they’ve all got Buchanan on their short list of guests.

What a disgrace.

Now at Pat Buchanan’s American Conservative magazine, an article that suggests the Mossad had a hand in perpetrating the attacks on 9/11: The Spy Who Loves Us.

And then there are the movers. Urban Moving Systems of Weehawken, New Jersey was largely staffed by Israelis, many of whom had recently been discharged from the Israeli Defense Forces. As has been widely reported, three movers were photographed celebrating in Liberty State Park against the backdrop of the first collapsing World Trade Center tower. The celebration came 16 minutes after the first plane struck, when no one knew that there had been a terrorist attack and the episode was assumed to be a horrible accident. The owner of the moving company, Dominik Suter, was questioned once by the FBI before fleeing to Israel. He has since refused to answer questions.

Whether the movers and the art students had jointly pieced together enough information to provide a preview of 9/11 remains hidden in intelligence files in Tel Aviv, but the proximity of both groups to 15 of the hijackers in Hollywood, Florida and to five others in northern New Jersey is suggestive.

The cover illustration for this issue:

(Hat tip: Admiral Adama.)

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1 P. Aaron  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:25:43am

Pat Buchanan=fecal

2 incanus  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:26:22am

incanus suggests Pat Buchanan is responsible for the smell of raw sewage emanating from the pages of (sic) "The American Conservative"

I think he means "conservative" in the old, not so good way.

3 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:26:23am
Urban Moving Systems of Weehawken, New Jersey was largely staffed by Israelis

Israeli movers in the NYC area... wow, what a breaking news story, Pat. That's some serious investigative journalism there. Just wait until next month's issue, when they break the astounding India/convenience store connection.

4 JohnnyReb  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:26:45am

Wow he has a magazine? I never knew that. Must have a circulation of about 3.

5 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:26:50am

Conservative my ass. Buchanan's a freaking nazi.

6 Angel  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:26:57am

Yea ...I think it was Woody Allen and Adam Sandler who planned it all...argggggggggggggggg!

7 pianobuff  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:27:09am

This sounds eerily like some of the blogs on myBO.

8 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:27:28am

What a moron

9 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:27:57am

re: #1 P. Aaron

Pat Buchanan=fecal

Pat Buchanan=Julius Streicher. Same difference.

10 Ben Hur  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:28:03am

It's long been established that Ames was the guy, not Pollard, that had a "contact" that was responsible for the leaks of agents.

11 csa945  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:28:33am

Wasn't he watching the Oscars? Surely he must have heard that

12 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:28:40am

re: #7 pianobuff

This sounds eerily like some of the blogs on myBO.

Yep. Buchanan's a populist, not a conservative, nor really in favor of individual rights. In many ways, Buchanan's more like Obama than either may realise.

13 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:28:45am

Is this the same guy that is the token "conservative" on msnbc?

14 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:28:50am

I love how this article completely ignores the infiltration of saudi influence. I guess it just gets in the way of blaming da Joooooos.

Because why let a little thing like bigotry blind you to threats?

15 nikis-knight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:28:51am

That's not... yeah, that's the Pat Buchannon we know (and detest.)
He needs to rename it The Palestinian Conservative.

16 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:28:55am
As has been widely reported, three movers were photographed celebrating in Liberty State Park against the backdrop of the first collapsing World Trade Center tower. The celebration came 16 minutes after the first plane struck

Yeah, "black ops" intelligence professionals are generally know for throwing wild celebrations in public when their operations are taking place.

/

17 gunslingah  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:29:05am

Buchanan is a racist, anti-semitic disgrace. To my knowledge, there has never been a "mainstream" American political figure as openly sympathetic to Hitler and the Nazis... or, at least, not since Joe Kennedy. Sean Hannity, when talking about Obama, loves to point out that you can learn a lot about a person by whom he associates with. Given his long association with Pat Buchanan, Hannity should be ashamed of himself.

18 Ben Hur  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:29:43am

During the 2008 presidential primaries, Giraldi served as Ron Paul's foreign policy adviser.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

19 calcajun  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:30:16am

Oh God. Here we go again.

Simple burden of proof issue. The "conspiracy nuts" have to prove their claims; mere allegations and accusations are not enough. The "seriousness of the charges" do not warrant any investigation.

The fact that Buchanan allowed drivel like this into his rag shows that he either has no editorial control, or he really has gone off the anti-Israel deep end.

20 Thanos  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:30:18am

Pat's putrescence just gets worse with age. He represents the last century tribal supremacist view; he's the perfect paleotard for the leftist channels and that's why they love him.

21 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:30:50am

re: #18 Ben Hur

That makes sense.

22 AG in Houston  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:31:05am

So with a real live war going on against a known enemy, Pat Buchanan continues to search for Jews.

Pat, you got us. We are spying everywhere and it's all of us. Including the new Chief of the USAF.

23 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:31:17am

If you love Pat Buchanan say JA!

24 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:31:18am
25 Ben Hur  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:31:35am

Dear psycho left and right, Arabs and Muslims,

Please leave all 14 million of us alone.

Thanks,

Joos.

26 The Other Les  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:32:02am

re: #23 Peacekeeper

If you love Pat Buchanan say JA!



Nein!

27 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:32:07am

I predict he'll be on Al Jazeera next.

28 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:32:15am

Pay no attention to those islamists trying to kill you! It's the Jooooos!

29 Toki-chan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:32:23am

So I guess we won't see him at the new Zohan movie coming out?

Good. He might just ruin it.

/pulls out popcorn already popped for the movie.

30 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:32:36am

re: #486 godfrey

Buchanan's putatively Roman Catholic. They have a soft spot for that.

Carrying this over -
Pflegers Catholic and they're not shaking hands and bobbing heads with him.

31 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:33:14am

re: #16 Occasional Reader

Just who was watching them there joos, and running a stopwatch no less?
Gladys Kravitz?

32 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:33:48am

Ol' Pat better watch out the Mossad knows his movements!

33 uptight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:34:01am

Was this the dick who said that going to war with Hitler was a mistake?

He's spent too long on the couch with Sharpton

34 chinesearithmetic  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:34:07am

As has been widely reported, three movers were photographed celebrating in Liberty State Park against the backdrop of the first collapsing World Trade Center tower. The celebration came 16 minutes after the first plane struck

Any photoshops wide evidence to back the widely reported?

35 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:34:24am
36 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:34:24am

re: #3 Occasional Reader

Israeli movers in the NYC area... wow, what a breaking news story, Pat. That's some serious investigative journalism there. Just wait until next month's issue, when they break the astounding India/convenience store connection.

Racist! /

37 BFSkinner  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:34:24am

DK alert. Now everytime I think some, but not all, but some DK people at DK are nuts... they go down a level. Here they go again. Our Military is Napalming Iraqi Children

38 Gordon Marock  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:34:29am

When I was moving some office furniture from Miami to my city, I went to a website and asked for quotes. Of maybe 7 quotes, 3 businesses were run by Israelis. The company I ended up using was run by recent Israeli immigrants, and the guy supervising the delivery had recently left the IDF. We had a nice talk about current events and the gullibility of many Americans regarding Islamic fascists and what Israel must put up with in the Middle East. Oh, and by the way, I got good service at a reasonable price.

39 brent  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:34:38am

That tubby tool was on Hannity yesterday, talking about his book / theory that Germany was pushed into WWII by the Brits....

I can only take about a minute of him before I'm forced to put on 90's hair-band metal to remind myself that there are indeed worse things out there. I know I've told my wife "this guy does not speak for me" more than once, just so she knows I know the difference between conservative and hateful, stupid.

Seriously, why do these guys give him airtime? I think Hannity's not on the ball enough to see how sick Buchanan is, but he gets a lot of play. Is it to just make conservatives look bad by association? MSNBC loves him, and that's the only reason I could see them being up for airing him.

40 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:34:57am

re: #5 Honorary Yooper

Careful. That's an easy label to fling. He might be nuts, but I really don't think he a nazi.

41 bolivar  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:35:27am

re: #32 'Nam Grunt

Ol' Pat better watch out the Mossad knows his movements!

Nam Grunt, this article WAS Pats Movement.......

42 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:36:10am

For the love of all things good, you stupid lefties, STOP CALLING THIS MAN CONSERVATIVE. We all know why you do it; you're using him to paint us all with the same broad brush. And quite frankly, we've had enough. How would you like it if we labeled you under the same label as Lieberman? (It's an insult to liberals, even though Lieberman is a generally good person and a moderately conservative Dem.)

43 uptight  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:36:14am

re: #33 uptight

Was this the dick who said that going to war with Hitler was a mistake?

He's spent too long on the couch with Sharpton

or was that Pat Robertson

44 David Simon  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:36:48am

The American Conservative German edition is called Voelkischer Beobachter.

45 neoconkat  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:37:40am

I just love how these things make it seem like every Jew/Israeli on the planet knows about this conspiracy as if they have weekly meetings about it after Temple and the rest of us gentiles are just sitting around oblivious.

46 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:37:42am

Rush is comparing the "Brown Note" to BHO's economic plan.....

47 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:38:01am
Speculation about 9/11 aside, it is certain that Urban Moving was involved in an intelligence-collection operation against Arabs living in the United States, possibly involving electronic surveillance of phone calls and other communications.

The horror!

48 littleoldlady  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:38:09am

In America even a Nazi is allowed to be a Nazi, BUT...

ATTENTION UBIQUITOUS FOX NEWS READER:

The other night I heard Sean Hannity refer to his guest Pat Buchanan as, "A good friend and a great commentator." This impacts your credibility as a news source - BIG TIME.

49 Biff  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:38:42am

The House of Saud's all-American front line:
Pat Buchanon, James Baker, Jimmy Carter

50 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:38:49am

re: #40 Cap'n DOC

Buchanan's one of the reasons I did not identify myself as a conservative for some time. I felt better about the label after reading Buckley.

51 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:38:56am

I suspect this article will have it's own blog post at myobama shortly.

52 looking closely  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:38:59am

re: #39 brent


I can only take about a minute of him before I'm forced to put on 90's hair-band metal to remind myself that there are indeed worse things out there.


Hey. . I'd rather listen to an hour of "hair metal" than Buchanan any day of the week!

53 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:39:07am

I'm surprised the cover didn't feature hook-nosed caricatures from Der Sturmer.
Maybe he should change the rag name to Der Consturmative?

54 Spiny Norman  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:39:20am

re: #2 incanus

incanus suggests Pat Buchanan is responsible for the smell of raw sewage emanating from the pages of (sic) "The American Conservative"

I think he means "conservative" in the old, not so good way.

From the very beginning. He founded it.

Have you seen this "greatest hit": Whose War?

Patrick J. has been on the "Da Jooz done it!" trip for a while.

55 JohnnyReb  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:39:36am

re: #42 thedopefishlives

For the love of all things good, you stupid lefties, STOP CALLING THIS MAN CONSERVATIVE. We all know why you do it; you're using him to paint us all with the same broad brush. And quite frankly, we've had enough. How would you like it if we labeled you under the same label as Lieberman? (It's an insult to liberals, even though Lieberman is a generally good person and a moderately conservative Dem.)

Except he has drank of the Gorebull Kool-aid with that latest bill he sponsored to raise gas prices by $2.00 a gallon. No idea where my Senator came up with that mess.

56 gman  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:40:13am

"American Quack" would be more appropriate.

According to wikipedia, Giraldi was an advisor to Ron Paul

Giraldi on HuffPo

The left-right convergence in action.

57 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:40:16am

I thought Nazi's were all hanged or jailed in Nuremburg, why is this POS still around!

58 Biff  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:40:43am

re: #47 Sharmuta

And if the CIA and NSA would hire Jewish arabic translators, we (USA) would have had that information, too.

59 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:40:55am

When he is on FNC, I turn the TV off before he opens his mouth.

60 jill e  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:41:01am

This is how my conservative grandmother sounded after she developed dementia.

61 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:41:09am

re: #37 BFSkinner

DK alert. Now everytime I think some, but not all, but some DK people at DK are nuts... they go down a level. Here they go again. Our Military is Napalming Iraqi Children

It's BS we haven't had napalm in the inventory since '01.

62 abolitionist  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:41:25am

One of my daughters' high school vice principals is sure that 911 was a Reichstag thing.

63 yochanan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:41:34am

PAT PUKEANAN IS A FASCIST. PUKEANAN go to hell take ron paul, code pinko, A.N.S.W.E.R. and other anti semites with you.

join the PAT PUKEANAN HATES CLUB free membership for lizards.

64 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:41:34am

re: #34 chinesearithmetic

So far as the media reported, the only wide scale reports of celebrations of the attacks came from the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, and Arab/Islamist enclaves in NJ and NYC.

This is little more than rehashed nonsense from whatreally happened.com - (no link will be given)

65 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:41:36am

The Left love Buchanan because if fits their stereo-type of the mean, racist conservative and he bashes Bush and he hates Israel.

He's everthing the Left could want out of a conservative....except that he's not conservative and he is not a Republican....He's an anti-Semite, and an isolationist.

He's exactly the kind of person that people like WF Buckley and Barry Goldwater worked so hard to discredit back in the late 50's and early 60's.

66 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:41:44am

Buchanan also thinks Winston Churchill started WW2.

He's mad.

67 Spiny Norman  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:41:51am

re: #40 Cap'n DOC

Careful. That's an easy label to fling. He might be nuts, but I really don't think he a nazi.

You're right: at this point it is probable that he's only a "sympathizer".

68 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:42:20am

I hope his books are burned, shades of '39!

69 alegrias  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:42:37am

Icky Rep. Jim Moran (D-Northern Virginia including our Pentagon & Arlington National Cemetery), is very much like Buchanan as many of you here can attest. Blames "neocons" for our going to war, and has conspiracy theories like Pat Buchanan does.

Sadly, Moran was not kicked out of office in yesterday's primary.

70 tfc3rid  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:42:39am

re: #66 Ojoe

Buchanan also thinks Winston Churchill started WW2.

He's mad.

And deserves ZERO attention...

71 looking closely  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:42:47am
Urban Moving Systems of Weehawken, New Jersey was largely staffed by Israelis, many of whom had recently been discharged from the Israeli Defense Forces.

Hey dumbass, just about EVERY Israeli male in their early 20s has been "recently discharged from the Israeli Defense Forces".

72 Rin  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:43:19am

Yeah, my "Israeli" movers were from the West Bank. Mohammed, Mohammed & Raffi.

73 moshavnik  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:43:39am

He has the story wrong. There was a big article about it in one of the Israeli papers: There were a group of young Israelis who were watching the towers burn and some woman though they were celebrating (they weren't) and called the police. The cops arrested them and threw them and jail where they sat for a few weeks, whereupon they were released and thrown out of the country because they were working as movers and didn't have visas. That's the end of the story. No mysteries, their names are known, and if the mossad operated like this Israel wouldn't have been around to celebrate its 60th anniversary last month. Apparently Buchanan really is a nutjob.

74 Tasty Beverage  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:43:48am

re: #34 chinesearithmetic

As has been widely reported, three movers were photographed celebrating in Liberty State Park against the backdrop of the first collapsing World Trade Center tower. The celebration came 16 minutes after the first plane struck

Any photoshops wide evidence to back the widely reported?

Yeah, may I see these "photographs" that were "widely reported"?

I think I would remember.

75 Spiny Norman  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:44:26am

re: #66 Ojoe

Buchanan also thinks Winston Churchill started WW2.

He's mad.

Yep: "If we'd only negotiated a little more with Herr Hitler, none of that unfortunate business would have ever happened."

76 Cato  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:44:43am

You guys are missing the point: Pat's book reads really well in the original German.

77 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:44:51am

Does Giraldi have a myobama blog? Or does he post at kos?

78 pat  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:44:56am

re: #58 Biff

And if the CIA and NSA would hire Jewish arabic translators, we (USA) would have had that information, too.

They don't hire Arab-American Christian ones either. Reverse Profiling.

79 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:44:58am

re: #50 Honorary Yooper

That I can understand, but I've conservative friends who exude love for RP as well, and to me there ain't much difference. Buchanan had some good arguments in the past, but he's gone over the edge IMHO.

80 littleoldlady  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:45:09am

re: #73 moshavnik

That's the end of the story. No mysteries, their names are known, and if the mossad operated like this Israel wouldn't have been around to celebrate its 60th anniversary last month.

BINGO.

81 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:45:39am

re: #64 lawhawk

Assuming that these guys were actually Israeli, and did celebrate 9/11....what does that proove?

That 4 idiot Israelis were happy 9/11 happened. That is about it. Probably these folks.

82 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:45:51am

re: #70 tfc3rid

83 debutaunt  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:46:09am

re: #14 Sharmuta

I love how this article completely ignores the infiltration of saudi influence. I guess it just gets in the way of blaming da Joooooos.

Because why let a little thing like bigotry blind you to threats?

You start with the conclusion and work your way back.

84 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:46:17am

re: #66 Ojoe

Buchanan also thinks Winston Churchill started WW2.

He's mad.

Just draw a line and threaten him. That's was the answer.
Asshole!

sorry, I never use such language. But I could think of none other worthy.

85 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:46:36am

"

86 yochanan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:46:54am

israeli guys take jobs in moving companies because the smaller compaies are offen owned by israeli guys who then hire there friends who are offen here on student or tourist visas.

if your an anti semite like PAT PUKEANAN your will make a political issue out of this.

87 Daisy  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:46:54am

The Moonbats have absconded w/the term Liberal - fully distorting the meaning of liberal.

Pat Buchanan (and others) have done the same w/the term Conservative - an especially egregious theft, in my book.

Dinesh De Souza is worth every moment you'll spend reading/listening. The man is a true-blue Conservative. His book - is it? - "The Enemy Within" (something close) opened my mind to some new ways of thinking/understanding. He has a lot to say to better inform the Conservative mind/position in all his writings/debates.

88 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:46:58am

I've written Sean H. about this and I'm sure others have too. Hope he pays attention, he's being waaay too loyal to this POS.

89 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:47:46am

Buchanan is Judenhasser trash.

You have to be a special kind of idiot to believe 9/11 conspiracy.

You have to be a triple-double-dog idiot to be a 9/11 conspiracist and an anti-Semite.

90 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:48:45am

re: #70 tfc3rid

I have been trying to write the mathematical expression
"less than zero" but it won't print on the web page.

91 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:48:48am

re: #86 yochanan

But, but, but they just got out of the IDF......that prooves it all.....

(pay no attention that EVERYONE in Israel goes into the IDF)

92 brent  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:49:13am
Hair Metal

I was thinking about the poodles, Poison, Winger, et al. Ugh.

I watched Buckley back in college with a friend that would just yell at the screen, in a good way. Was like watching hockey, he'd be so into it. Now I feel the opposite, watching Buchanan - it's more like "no, no you did NOT just say that"...

Hannity hurts conservatism by sucking up to this guy, it's embarrassing - sure makes it harder for him to stand by his Obama and his associations line (which I believe to be important).

93 vagabond trader  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:49:54am

Wondering what Pat's nick is when he posts on myobama.

94 wolfie  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:50:14am

re: #88 Spenser (with an S)

I've written Sean H. about this and I'm sure others have too. Hope he pays attention, he's being waaay too loyal to this POS.

Good for you!You have inspired me to do likewise.
We need to put pressure on people like Hannity for embracing this scumball.

95 Ben Hur  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:50:33am

And America doesn't spy on Israel.

Or anybody else.

96 MES41067  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:50:58am

Wow Pat how far have we gone over the cliff?I've read some of your books in the past and been on your side then

97 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:51:41am

re: #95 Ben Hur

"no, no, no....shut-up! I don't care that every Country spies on eachother...I'm talking about the damn Jews now!"
-Pat Buchanan

98 yochanan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:51:59am

i vote for calling him PAT PUKEANAN
any seconds?

99 kansas  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:52:11am

I'm not seeing where the article suggests Israel was responsible for 9/11.

"Whether the movers and the art students had jointly pieced together enough information to provide a preview of 9/11 remains hidden in intelligence files in Tel Aviv, but the proximity of both groups to 15 of the hijackers in Hollywood, Florida and to five others in northern New Jersey is suggestive."

Suggestive of piecing together the plot or being responsible for the plot?

I'm just sayin.....

100 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:52:28am
101 dgax65  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:53:14am

Calling him a POS is being unfair to sh*t

102 see bs  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:53:31am

While I condone any espionage against the United States, to suggest that Israel would attack or support terrorist operations against the United States is stupid.

103 jcm  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:54:00am

re: #100 buzzsawmonkey

Little Brown Note
--traditional

My gal and I live off the grid
Our folks think we've flipped our lids;
We're gonna demonstrate by the Democrats,
But we're afraid that we'll get the splats

Ha ha ha, hee hee hee,
Little brown note at the Denver spree!
Ha ha ha, hee hee hee,
Little brown note at the Denver spree!

We hear there's a note that, if played low
Will make you "go" and you can't say no
And though we fear the mighty smell
We might not notice it, truth to tell

Ha ha ha, hee hee hee,
Little brown note at the Denver spree!
Ha ha ha, hee hee hee,
Little brown note at the Denver spree!

So we will go and bring our signs
She'll carry hers, I'll carry mine
If they play the Brown Note, t'won't be strange
That we're hollering for a "change."

Ha ha ha, hee hee hee,
Little brown note at the Denver spree!
Ha ha ha, hee hee hee,
Little brown note at the Denver spree!

If all the folks in Adam's race
Were gathered together in one place,
I'd let them go without a tear
Before I'd part from you, my dear.

BAWHAHAHA!

104 Biff  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:54:04am

re: #90 Ojoe

105 Charles  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:54:11am

re: #99 kansas

I'm not seeing where the article suggests Israel was responsible for 9/11.

"Whether the movers and the art students had jointly pieced together enough information to provide a preview of 9/11 remains hidden in intelligence files in Tel Aviv, but the proximity of both groups to 15 of the hijackers in Hollywood, Florida and to five others in northern New Jersey is suggestive."

Suggestive of piecing together the plot or being responsible for the plot?

I'm just sayin.....

He's saying that the Mossad knew about the plot but did not inform the US. This absolutely would make them complicit in the attack.

106 godfrey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:54:14am

Ugh, look at the cover. This is "conservatism"? Looks like all it's conserving is old-fashioned Jew-hatred.

107 Daisy  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:54:38am

re: #3 Occasional Reader

Israeli movers in the NYC area... wow, what a breaking news story, Pat. That's some serious investigative journalism there. Just wait until next month's issue, when they break the astounding India/convenience store connection.

LoL .. and yup .. positively groundbreaking .. kind of like Pakistanis and gas stations .. or Buchanan and mind numbing dumbness.

108 Biff  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:54:56am

re: #104 Biff

"

109 Zevy  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:55:59am
As has been widely reported, three movers were photographed celebrating in Liberty State Park against the backdrop of the first collapsing World Trade Center tower. The celebration came 16 minutes after the first plane struck,

Is he saying the FIRST tower COLLAPSED just 16 minutes after the FIRST plane struck? That makes no sense whatsoever. Wasn't it about an hour later when the first tower collapsed?

110 Biff  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:56:08am

re: #90 Ojoe

< 0

111 turn  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:56:46am

A quote from the well referenced piece /

"As has been widely reported, three movers were photographed celebrating in Liberty State Park against the backdrop of the first collapsing World Trade Center tower."

Anytime you read "as has been widely reported" immediately think BS.

Wasn't surprised to find out he posts at huffpo, probably find him at Kos too.

112 yochanan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:58:19am

BROWN SHIRT/BROWN NOTE good name for PAT PUKEANAN'S minions.

113 Biff  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:59:03am

Ojoe,
The trick is to leave a space between "less than" and the "zero". For some reason, without the space it is taken as an open ended (incomplete) string function.

< 0

114 Cygnus  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:59:28am

re: #23 Peacekeeper

If you love Pat Buchanan say JA JAWOHL!

/Sieg Heil!
Buchanan, you loser Nazi

115 haverwilde  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 11:59:51am

It is the sorry state of 'conservatism' right now when the likes of Buchanan are depicted as representing it. (I guess I will have to change the label for my position to one of 'Classical Liberal.')
Unfortunately conservatism is not the only thing that is in a sorry state--a choice of Obama and McCain? $4 gallon gas? $5 gallon diesel? Obama is right it is time for a change, I just wish there was a good alternative.

116 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:00:53pm

I'm going to offer some free help to every anti-Semitic cartoon artist that covers Israel.

You always draw the Jews as stereotypical, big nosed, etc., Jews.....but have you ever actually LOOKED at an Israeli? I imagine you could find those that fit the stereotype...but its not the NORM. (I'm looking at you B

Here is where I come in; Israelis!

Gay Israelis.

Other Israelis

Just something to think about when you swear up-and-down (when drawing Jews) that you are not Anti-Semitic.

117 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:02:22pm

Notice the dark features, big noses, bombs and TNT, while the blond sits across from a concerned citizen. Julius Streicher would be proud.

118 dhg4  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:02:56pm

re: #111 turn

A quote from the well referenced piece /

"As has been widely reported, three movers were photographed celebrating in Liberty State Park against the backdrop of the first collapsing World Trade Center tower."

Anytime you read "as has been widely reported" immediately think BS.

Wasn't surprised to find out he posts at huffpo, probably find him at Kos too.

I was wondering about that "widely reported." I hadn't read it before.

Since when did Sy Hersh start working for Patrick Buchanan?

119 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:03:24pm

re: #3 Occasional Reader

Israeli movers in the NYC area... wow, what a breaking news story,
Pat. That's some serious investigative journalism there. Just wait
until next month's issue, when they break the astounding
India/convenience store connection.


Many Joos are suspected to own delicatessens in the NYC area, too.

120 Grantman  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:03:59pm

I've always looked at Pat Buchanan as the Al Sharpton of the right. Neither one has been disowned.

Sad...pitiful, actually.

121 hennigan's wake  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:04:46pm

Buchannan represents the worst of Catholic conservative traditions--nativist, racist and anti-semitic. Ugly isn't the word for it--I know it first hand.

Granted he didn't write this, but he assuredly commissioned it, or worse, edited it. The parts that aren't pure tripe are designed to "shock." The prevalence of Israeli Jews in NYC moving companies! (Next up--"Irish have a lock on neighborhood bars...pictures at 11.")

he needs to go away. he needs to get retired, and soon.

Look, I think we all need to be clear here. All nations spy on each other, although nations with friendly relations do it much less, and with a broader, less intrusive scope, more designed to gauge intentions than anything else. Taking this obvious and intuitive point and extrapolating it to complicity in 9/11 is bad-faith on steroids. That's not a throw-away line--it's a bad-faith designed to incite animus and action.

thats evil in my book.

122 bubbasbbq  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:06:44pm

Buchanan has always had a bug up his ass regarding the Israelis and has ALWAYS hated the Bush family. Anything he can do to discredit or bring harm their reputation he will do. And remember, Nixon was one of his heroes.
What does that tell you?

123 Salem  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:07:05pm

I totally agree. How can everyone not see what a reprehensible toad this character is?

124 Cygnus  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:07:29pm

re: #88 Spenser (with an S)

I've written Sean H. about this and I'm sure others have too. Hope he pays attention, he's being waaay too loyal to this POS.

Good for you. I really like him and his program otherwise.

125 MrC_5150  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:08:07pm
I’ve been watching as one cable channel after another trots out Pat Buchanan as a legitimate representative of conservative views. Hannity and Colmes, Glenn Beck, MSNBC, you name it, they’ve all got Buchanan on their short list of guests. What a disgrace.

In the world of talk radio, I'm glad to report that Michael Savage threw this scumbag, Hitler sympathizer under the bus. Permanently.

126 Daisy  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:08:21pm

re: #92 brent

"... Hannity hurts conservatism by sucking up to this guy, it's embarrassing - sure makes it harder for him to stand by his Obama and his associations line (which I believe to be important)."

Really good point. Hannity also harms the Conservative cause every time he demonstrates his inability to conduct a debate w/anyone. His chronic pounding (in place of listening) is not a skillful way of communicating his often good ideas. In fact, it's so obnoxius, this Conservative no longer listens. Rush, on the other hand, is feisty and he listens.

Where Rush is confident and a gentleman, Hannity - IMO - comes across as a bully and a bore.

127 J.S.  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:08:34pm

No sooner than William F. Buckley is laid to rest, then these creeps re-emerge. Another Buckley is needed...

BTW, also noted how on the CNN channel the constant re-play of a commercial featuring Buchanan and Sharpton sitting together on a bench, claiming that they're on opposite sides of the political spectrum. Actually, they share far more and have much more in common than most people realize. They're two peas in a pod. Oh, and the commercial is touting some Gorbacle-Global warming/and/or climate "change" agit-prop -- claiming that climate change is the one thing everyone can agree on...yeah, sure, that, I guess, along with something else...one of those "oldest of hatreds"...

128 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:09:44pm

Behold the voice of the "true conservatives" who hate John McCain. The MSM is going to run article after article with Buchanan, former senator Bob Smith, and others to try to depress GOP voter turnout.

I'll be more than happy to trade Buchanan and his lunatic fringe followers for Jews and other supporters of Israel.

129 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:11:45pm

re: #127 J.S.

No sooner than William F. Buckley is laid to rest, then these creeps re-emerge. Another Buckley is needed...

BTW,
also noted how on the CNN channel the constant re-play of a commercial
featuring Buchanan and Sharpton sitting together on a bench, claiming
that they're on opposite sides of the political spectrum. Actually,
they share far more and have much more in common than most people
realize. They're two peas in a pod. Oh, and the commercial is touting
some Gorbacle-Global warming/and/or climate "change" agit-prop --
claiming that climate change is the one thing everyone can agree
on...yeah, sure, that, I guess, along with something else...one of
those "oldest of hatreds"...

Rush commented on this commercial, asking why would it be a bad thing if Buchanan & Sharpton both got swept away by rising waters?

130 Daisy  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:12:23pm

Back to work for me. Have a nice day Lizards.

131 CommonCents  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:12:29pm
As has been widely reported, three movers were photographed celebrating in Liberty State Park against the backdrop of the first collapsing World Trade Center tower. The celebration came 16 minutes after the first plane struck

Where might we see these photographs?

132 TalkinKamel  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:12:31pm

re: #111 turn

Myself, I've always thought this story was BS.

I've 4, 5, 6, 7 Israelis. Any number of Israelis. Changes each time this tale gets told. (well documented, huh?) They were viewed from far away, and no one could tell what they were doing, but it is "certain" that they were celebrating. Sometimes they try dragging in the mysterious Israeli art students, who were also, presumably, up to something---nothing good.

Funny, people like this never seem to want to talk about the thousands of celebrating Palestinians on 9/11. No, we've all got to obsess about maybe 3, maybe 5, maybe 7 Israelis (how was it ascertained they were Israelis, by the way? Did the person who started this story go up and ask for their passports?) Nope, let's obsess about Israel. The Palestinians are the uber-victims of the world, they get a "Get out of Jail free" card on everything.

(One thing I recall---I've heard that Israel was actually warning the US about possible terrorist attacks, just prior to 9/11.)

133 galtg  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:12:55pm

it was Pat Buchanan's hate-filled speech at the '92 Rep. convention that helped put bill Clinton in the white house..he's an idiot..and a it's a disgrace he calls himself a conservative.

what really sucks is I just had a bit of a debate with a liberal relative of mine..I said progressive liberals are the new raving anti-Semites of the country..she went on to ask me not to paint all liberals with that brush..

she went on to ask aren't there anti-semitic conservatives?/..now what do I say?

134 Spiritualized  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:13:01pm
As has been widely reported, three movers were photographed celebrating in Liberty State Park against the backdrop of the first collapsing World Trade Center tower.

No such photographs exist.

There is, however, actual video footage of "Palestinians" celebrating on 9/11.

Israel warned U.S. of Bin Laden

Mossad warned CIA of potential danger posed by al-Qaeda leader in 1988, but Americans failed to attribute significance to report, former member of the Israeli intelligence community says. ‘U.S. didn’t understand what this was about, until it blew up in their faces on September 11,’ he says

13 years warning not enough for you Mr ex-CIA?

135 kansas  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:13:02pm

re: #105 Charles

He's saying that the Mossad knew about the plot but did not inform the US. This absolutely would make them complicit in the attack.

I am not an anti-semite although I do get frustrated that Israel doesn't just lower the boom on the Arabs, and

Well, you are much smarter than me......and it's your site, and I like it very much, but, .............................

well, complicit, i.e., knowing about it and not reporting it to any authority is to my way of understanding different than being responsible for, which to my way of understanding would require planning and carrying out the action.

So the Mossad is spying here. I would think they would have to considering how the Islamists seem to have a free base of operations here. Say they became aware of this plot. What would they be expected to do? Admit to the spying? I don't think it works that way. Do our spies alert foreign governments of plots they uncover while illegally spying on them?

Plus, who would they tell? The FBI. The FBI had Moussoui's computer and couldn't look at. The FBI know about each and every one of the 19 and that they were taking flight lessons. So the Mossad would say.....Oh by the way......you might want stop these guys. The FBI would have said "Well thanks, but we can't get a warrant."

136 TalkinKamel  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:13:16pm

re: #128 funky chicken

Vote for McCain!

He's not a "true" conservative.

137 Daisy  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:13:36pm

re: #127 J.S.

No sooner than William F. Buckley is laid to rest, then these creeps re-emerge. Another Buckley is needed...

We have one. May I recommend Dinesh De Souza?

138 CommonCents  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:13:49pm

re: #127 J.S.

That's Pat Robertson, not Buchanan.

139 brent  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:14:38pm

126 - Daisy

I may have been too delicate about it; I really just don't think Hannity's that smart, and that he's become a voice of conservatism hurts the rest of us.

I write software, and I swear listening to him talk, I picture a piece of code going thru a big case statement - anti big oil, no.. pro-tax, no... won't disavow reverend - yes, canned argument. I really think that's about the level he's capable of. For the format it may work, but I don't sense a lot of depth of knowledge there.

But maybe it's harder to be smart realtime.

140 TalkinKamel  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:16:12pm

re: #105 Charles

Just an aside here, Charles, but I remembering hearing, somewhere, that Israel did warn the US that there was some reason---induced chatter, maybe?---to think there would be an attack on the US, before 9/11, and US Intelligence just shrugged them off at the time. . .

141 Maine's Michael  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:16:43pm
the proximity of both groups to 15 of the hijackers in Hollywood, Florida and to five others in northern New Jersey is suggestive.

The proximity of Buchanan to euro white supremascists like Filip deWinter and others is certainly suggestive.

In fact, Charles has documented, right here, that his proximity to those bad guys was very close indeed. Like at the same table, talking to each other, close enough to smell each other's breath.

142 Toasty  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:17:16pm

I was disappointed when Sean Hannity was shown to be a friend of Pat Buchanan. I really like Hannity so I was very let down. I hope FOX or at least Hannity gets the message, I know they read LGF.

143 TalkinKamel  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:18:47pm

re: #73 moshavnik

Thanks for clearing up that story!

(No, that hardly sounds like the way the Mossad operates. And why would Israel want to attack the US?)

144 J.S.  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:19:50pm

re: #138 CommonCents

Really? I stand corrected. Thank you. I was going by the "Pat" first name thing..(Although, on the downside, is there that much difference between a Robertson and a Buchanan?...in fact, I confess, I constantly get them mixed up -- maybe it's because I dislike both of them so much...)

145 Maine's Michael  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:20:42pm

Buchanan smells fertile ground for his nasty, agenda laden theories.

If you go far enough left, and far enough right, you meet up in Jew Hate land.

146 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:21:28pm

re: #145 Maine's Michael

Hi MM...I found you with the "spy". Did you get my e-mail? I sent it again...

147 Ceemack  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:22:11pm

I still can't figure out how Buchanan escaped whatever event caused the extinction of all the rest of the dinosaurs 65 million years ago.

148 itellu3times  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:22:42pm

Buchanan has always had a split personality, but with this, I don't care to bother with him in any positive way anymore.

If he appears again on the Mclaughlin Group, I think I'll abandon that, too, it's been pretty much a joke the last couple of years too, ol' John going all liberation theology (and mildly anti-semite) in his decrepitude.

149 Ceemack  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:23:01pm

re: #24 buzzsawmonkey

As I observed here a week or so ago, Pat Buchanan is a Coughlinite, and continues in the antisemitic--and pro-fascist--tradition of Father Coughlin.


"Coughlinite"?

I love it.

150 csa945  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:24:13pm

re: #43 uptight

One in the same. Buchanan blames Churchill for WWII -- and Poland for refusing to negotiate with Hitler over Gdansk/Danzig, thus forcing the Nazis to invade.

151 Crusader Rabbit  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:24:18pm

"Anyone who believes 9/11 was an inside job is a retard."

--Kyle Broflovski

152 J.S.  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:25:02pm

re: #135 kansas

The FBI is not a "spy agency." It's the CIA.

153 Toasty  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:25:34pm

I don't know how it does Fox any favors to show respect and cordiality to this man. I would think they'd consider him an embarrassment.

154 shmulik  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:25:53pm

I too have tied to write conservative talk show host Laura Ingraham about Pat Buchanan's anti-Semitism but got no response. You should read Wm. Buckley on Buchanan's anti-Semitism. I'll give Sean a try.

155 Charles  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:25:54pm

re: #135 kansas

Sorry, you're just wrong here. An accomplice to murder, even a passive one who knows about a plot but fails to inform authorities, is regarded by the law as equally liable for the crime. And this wasn't just a murder, it was mass murder on a large scale.

And then there's the simple fact that this whole story is a bunch of concocted antisemitic nonsense, from A to Z.

156 Crusader Rabbit  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:27:24pm

re: #155 Charles
And then there's the simple fact that this whole story is a bunch of concocted antisemitic nonsense, from A to Z.

You don't expect troofers to be deterred by that, do you?

/just checking

157 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:28:08pm

re: #126 Daisy

"... Hannity hurts conservatism by sucking up to this guy, it's embarrassing - sure makes it harder for him to stand by his Obama and his associations line (which I believe to be important)."

Really good point. Hannity also harms the Conservative cause every time he demonstrates his inability to conduct a debate w/anyone. His chronic pounding (in place of listening) is not a skillful way of communicating his often good ideas. In fact, it's so obnoxius, this Conservative no longer listens. Rush, on the other hand, is feisty and he listens.

Where Rush is confident and a gentleman, Hannity - IMO - comes across as a bully and a bore.

Hannity is doing a different kind of show. I enjoy the way he mocks them right in front of them.

158 Miss Molly  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:28:26pm

I don't think anyone listens to Pat anymore about much of anything. That seems to be the problem because he is so desperate for attention of anykind.

159 Maine's Michael  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:30:13pm

re: #146 WriterMom

Still have not. Checked my spam folder as well, and its not there.

What gives?

I need pictures, goddamit!

160 Maine's Michael  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:31:30pm

re: #157 unrealizedviewpoint

Hannity:

All Wright, All the time!

161 deanayer  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:32:25pm

Thats not a very convincing hook nose on the cover of Pat's magazine ,is he slipping or what? Why cant he just draw the jew with the octopus tentacle arms encircling the earth like we've known and loved since the late 1930s. This comes on the heals of his book about us having lost WWII (or whatever). My question is this: When was it that this guy used to make sense on the right?

162 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:32:33pm

re: #132 TalkinKamel

{KAMEL}

163 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:32:38pm

re: #148 itellu3times

Buchanan has always had a split personality, but with this, I don't care to bother with him in any positive way anymore.

If he appears again on the Mclaughlin Group, I think I'll abandon that, too, it's been pretty much a joke the last couple of years too, ol' John going all liberation theology (and mildly anti-semite) in his decrepitude.

My DVR tapes the Mclaughlin Group by preset long ago. I don't know when it's on, or maybe I'd reset it. Instead I just erase it without watching week after week. It makes me feel good.

164 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:33:26pm

re: #159 Maine's Michael

Michael, can you 'blue' your nic now-I'll try a test mail.

165 csa945  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:34:07pm

re: #137 Daisy

No sooner than William F. Buckley is laid to rest, then these creeps re-emerge. Another Buckley is needed...

We have one. May I recommend Dinesh De Souza?

Is that the same D'Souza who has suggested that since the Islamists hate us for our freedom, we should just get rid of our freedom?

166 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:34:55pm

Freakin' Nazi rag that magazine is.

167 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:35:00pm

re: #160 Maine's Michael

Hannity:

All Wright, All the time!

Just keep pounding Sean. We love ya.
But this relationship with Pukeanan, ya need rethink it.

168 Maine's Michael  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:36:24pm

re: #155 Charles

And then there's the simple fact that this whole story is a bunch of concocted antisemitic nonsense, from A to Z.

That's not a bug, . . . .

169 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:36:32pm

Mossad Movers Inc. Knew about it! That's the TROOF.

170 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:37:57pm

re: #142 Toasty

I was reading Debbie Shlussel-I know lizards are of mixed minds about her site, however, she had some disturbing stuff about Hannity's friendships with some dubious folks-and about ripping stuff off of her web site-almost verbatum. That's creepy.

171 Q  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:38:25pm

re: #128 funky chicken

Behold the voice of the "true conservatives" who hate John McCain. The MSM is going to run article after article with Buchanan, former senator Bob Smith, and others to try to depress GOP voter turnout.

I'll be more than happy to trade Buchanan and his lunatic fringe followers for Jews and other supporters of Israel.

Refusal to swallow the McCain pill is a vote for Buchanan? That's a new one.

172 SeafoodGumbo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:38:56pm

re: #87 Daisy

The Moonbats have absconded w/the term Liberal - fully distorting the meaning of liberal.

Pat Buchanan (and others) have done the same w/the term Conservative - an especially egregious theft, in my book.

Dinesh De Souza is worth every moment you'll spend reading/listening. The man is a true-blue Conservative. His book - is it? - "The Enemy Within" (something close) opened my mind to some new ways of thinking/understanding. He has a lot to say to better inform the Conservative mind/position in all his writings/debates.

What's not so great about Dinesh D'Souza

D'Souza came off looking like a clown in his debates with Robert Spencer last year. I had liked him after reading a good part of "What's So Great About America," but he embarrassed himself against Spencer and showed that he's got an awful lot to learn about Islam.

173 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:39:11pm

re: #27 Peacekeeper

YOU AGAIN!

174 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:41:08pm

re: #45 neoconkat

Well, we do try very, very hard to keep it a secret.

/lol

175 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:41:23pm

la la la..just talking to myself...lalallalalalala

176 Jeff S.  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:41:33pm

Bugliosi on the Dennis Miller radio show foaming at the mouth w/ BDS.

177 Q  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:41:49pm

re: #172 SeafoodGumbo

What's not so great about Dinesh D'Souza

D'Souza came off looking like a clown in his debates with Robert Spencer last year. I had liked him after reading a good part of "What's So Great About America," but he embarrassed himself against Spencer and showed that he's got an awful lot to learn about Islam.

Yes. The man is an Islamo-apologist and a traitor to the West. In the mold of those "better green than red" paleo-idiots.

178 ladycatnip  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:42:10pm

It's time Fox dumped this guy. He's a toxic narcissist who loves the sound of his own voice. His viewpoints are neither conservative nor Christian.

179 Maine's Michael  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:42:29pm

Saw the malignant old soprano on Hannity and Colmes the other night.

Hannity really, really disappointed me with the obvious warmth he had for the bastard.

I also had the thought that Hannity may actually be hurting the anit-obama movement.

The more he pounds on obama in his loud, jackhammer, unpleasant manner, that people eventually stop taking seriously, the more he 'inoculates' the listeners, who end up less shocked by obama's obvious failings in selecting associates.

He may be on the obama payroll, at this point.

Anyhow, Buchanan looks a lot older these days, and he probably figures he needs to ramp up the anti-Jew-talk if he's gonna see any real persecution of Jews in his lifetime.

Fuck 'im.

180 DistantThunder  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:42:29pm

re: #157 unrealizedviewpoint

Hannity is doing a different kind of show. I enjoy the way he mocks them right in front of them.

It's great showmanship to bring on the nutjobs and then mock them to their faces. Sean presses hard. I was flabbergasted as I hear Buchannan say that we should have allowed Hitler to invade Europe stopping at the English channel. As if the slaughter/genocide of 6 million Jews was a non-issue.

I felt revulsion, and horror - and contempt for the man.

His sister Bay Buchanan, heads of the Team America Pac started by Tom Tancredo for responsible legal immigration. Bay joined the LDS (Mormon) church and supported Mitt Romney. The LDS (Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) church is a great friend to the Israeli people.

181 bj1126  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:42:30pm

I guess we can be thankful it wasn't an Sbarro that they were sitting in front of...

182 Opinionated  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:42:35pm
three movers were photographed celebrating in Liberty State Park

I told Mossad that balloons and party hats after an operation was a bad idea.

183 bj1126  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:43:01pm

re: #181 bj1126

I guess we can be thankful it wasn't an Sbarro that they were sitting in front of...

On the cover that is

184 incanus  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:46:04pm

re: #76 Cato

You guys are missing the point: Pat's book reads really well in the original German.

That can't be right, it was originally written in demonic.

185 Spiny Norman  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:46:55pm

re: #129 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Rush commented on this commercial, asking why would it be a bad thing if Buchanan & Sharpton both got swept away by rising waters?

Whoa. I though Rush was on friendly terms with Buchanan, though he may disagree with him often.

Cool.

186 DistantThunder  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:47:08pm

re: #165 csa945

Is that the same D'Souza who has suggested that since the Islamists hate us for our freedom, we should just get rid of our freedom?

Dinesh grew up among a much more passive brand of Islam. His point is - since Islam is not going away - let's acknowledge and accept the more passive variety - that was my take on his points. And let's not go out of our way to poke our finger in the eye of those who choose to ignore the parts of Islam that call for jihad.

HIs critics maintain that Islam is not designed to be passive - he agrees, but says, let's encourage those who have customized it so they can be peaceful and non-aggressive.

187 SeafoodGumbo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:47:13pm

re: #139 brent

126 - Daisy

I may have been too delicate about it; I really just don't think Hannity's that smart, and that he's become a voice of conservatism hurts the rest of us.

Though I find his radio show annoying as hell, Hannity is on our side and he has an enormous influence with a lot of people. I don't think he's dumb in the same way that I think O'Reilly is, but he's nowhere near as smart as he likes to imagine himself.

I squirm every time I hear him refer to himself in the third-person with his "Hannetization" crap, or when he doesn't give bloggers (Schlussel, etc.) credit for stories he uses, or the incessant "you're a good American" phrase which is so overused on his show as to appear trite.

I'll admit that I do listen to his show sometimes when the radio pickings are slim in the late afternoon, but I invariably turn the dial after the fourth "you're a good American" in fifteen minutes.

188 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:48:21pm
189 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:48:48pm
190 Spiny Norman  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:48:50pm

*thought*

BTW, I haven't listened to Hannity's radio show since Buchanan started making regular appearances.

191 pissed  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:49:58pm

Just wanted to throw this out there for you to decide on,

From Foxnews:


Very interesting reporting....

192 Spiny Norman  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:50:28pm

re: #188 ploome hineni

anyone notice the 'Jew Nose" on the 'spies'?

/spit

I wondered at first if they'd commissioned Carlos Latuff for that.

193 incanus  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:51:07pm

re: #122 bubbasbbq

Buchanan has always had a bug up his ass regarding the Israelis and has ALWAYS hated the Bush family. Anything he can do to discredit or bring harm their reputation he will do. And remember, Nixon was one of his heroes.
What does that tell you?

He hates Ben Stein?

194 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:51:43pm

re: #180 DistantThunder

It's great showmanship to bring on the nutjobs and then mock them to their faces. Sean presses hard. I was flabbergasted as I hear Buchannan say that we should have allowed Hitler to invade Europe stopping at the English channel. As if the slaughter/genocide of 6 million Jews was a non-issue.

I felt revulsion, and horror - and contempt for the man.

It was as if Sean wasn't even sitting in the studio with him. How could he not hear that? Sean, your silence could possibly, by some, be construed as concurrence. I don't think so. But, I think you need stay away from the man.

195 Opinionated  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:52:17pm

I have always been struck by the cognitive dissonance of the same sources arguing that nefariously Israel spies on the US and also controls the US.

196 Maine's Michael  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:52:29pm

re: #164 WriterMom

How do I do that? I went into account management and my email is already there.

try mainesmichael at att dot the usual.

197 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:54:26pm
198 kansas  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:55:06pm

re: #155 Charles

Sorry, you're just wrong here. An accomplice to murder, even a passive one who knows about a plot but fails to inform authorities, is regarded by the law as equally liable for the crime. And this wasn't just a murder, it was mass murder on a large scale.

And then there's the simple fact that this whole story is a bunch of concocted antisemitic nonsense, from A to Z.

I'm pretty sure I've been wrong before. Besides, "wrong" is such a conservative concept. (Kidding) However, if the article is concocted anti-semitic nonsense, well, that put's it in a different light. I have no idea what is factual regarding this. Plus my favorite Mossad agent is on NCIS.

Thanks for a place to discuss issues rationally.

199 Maine's Michael  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:56:31pm

We're obviously not too good at this thing.

Last time we tried to control a world power, we ended up losing 6 million people.

I think we should settle for controlling the shmattah, bagels, and orthodontics trades.

200 kansas  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:57:41pm

re: #152 J.S.
Didn't notice where I called the FBI a "spy agency."

201 PeaceAtAllCosts  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:58:18pm

Pat Buchannan and Obama have a lot in common.

Guess what.

202 bj  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 12:59:38pm

buchannan is a menace to society and sanity.

203 Toasty  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:00:52pm

The caricatures look semi-antisemitic as if he was calculating just how antisemitic he could get away with making it without moving into Der Stuermer territory. Blecch.

204 ladycatnip  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:01:23pm

#177 Q

re: #172 SeafoodGumbo

What's not so great about Dinesh D'Souza

D'Souza came off looking like a clown in his debates with Robert Spencer last year. I had liked him after reading a good part of "What's So Great About America," but he embarrassed himself against Spencer and showed that he's got an awful lot to learn about Islam.

Yes. The man is an Islamo-apologist and a traitor to the West. In the mold of those "better green than red" paleo-idiots.

I'm not very well-read on Dinesh's books, but after attending one of his debates with Peter Singer I was quite impressed. I can only hope he's neither an apologist nor a traitor. I went on Jihad Watch and read transcripts of his debate and was very disappointed in how little he knows of the koran, radical islam or their aim of bringing "the great satan" to its knees.

Hopefully his debates with Spencer and Trifkovic will encourage him to study more about radical islam rather than telling us to back off.

205 Tazzerman  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:01:35pm

"Widly reported" by the MSM and other left-leaners and moonbats does NOT constitute proof in any way shape or form.

Rosie O'Donnel get's 'widly reported'. Need I say more?

Pat is not ONLY a racist, he's xenophobic AND anti-semetic. Not to mention anti-hispanic, anti-asian and anti-anyone else who doesn't quite fit his mold. He's what we USED to call a WASP.

206 Charles  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:04:31pm

re: #196 Maine's Michael

How do I do that? I went into account management and my email is already there.

try mainesmichael at att dot the usual.

Just check the little box that says "Show email" when you post a comment, and your username becomes an email link.

207 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:04:43pm

re: #199 Maine's Michael

We also SUCK at ethnic cleansing.

Fortunately for the Palestinians.

208 Toasty  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:05:12pm

re: #170 WriterMom

I'm more concerned about the dubious friendships part. I really want to like Hannity and I'm giving him some slack, whether he deserves it or not I don't know. He does a great job on the anti-Obama front. He needs to practice what he preaches and drop Buchanan and any other radical associations he may have.

209 MacBoy  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:06:44pm

Why deny it? It's the troof.

/

210 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:06:55pm
211 hazzyday  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:06:59pm

Pat is just a kkk'er who has hidden his spots a long time. Now as he gets old he doesn't feel the need to hide so much. MSM shouldn't even give him a voice. David Duke would do just as well. And I would point out Obama is build from the same cloth, just a different part of the political spectrum. Neither can serve their country well.

212 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:07:19pm

re: #196 Maine's Michael

OK I just sent one. Tell me if you got it.

213 J.S.  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:08:09pm

re: #129 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

hmmm. I was mistaken. that wasn't Pat Buchanan sitting on the bench, it was Pat Robertson (another poster -- CommonCents -- above pointed out my error here.) (I also checked it out using Google, Images -- and it is Pat Robertson in that global warming commercial.)

214 Maine's Michael  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:08:09pm

re: #207 WriterMom

Yeah, We really, really suck at that.

We bring way too much hygiene to the table.

215 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:08:10pm
216 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:09:06pm

re: #186 DistantThunder

A more 'passive' form of Islam? He grew up in India, right? I don't think that the issues facing Hindus versus Muslims in India can be considered passive in any way..the history of Muslims in that area is not passive at all.

217 pegcity  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:10:03pm

re: #216 WriterMom

the moghuls wiped out thousands of years of indian history, we really know nothing about there history because of it.

218 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:10:04pm

What's an Israeli WASP?

White Ashkenazi Sabra Paratrooper.

LOL.

219 ladycatnip  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:10:11pm

#208 Toasty

I'm more concerned about the dubious friendships part. I really want to like Hannity and I'm giving him some slack, whether he deserves it or not I don't know. He does a great job on the anti-Obama front. He needs to practice what he preaches and drop Buchanan and any other radical associations he may have.

Absolutely, right on the mark.

220 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:10:16pm

Back in the 90s, authoritative liberal news sources like the Daily Show routinely ridiculed Buchanan as a Nazi, overlaying video of his speeches with a soundtrack from one of Hitler's rants; that kind of subtle stuff.
They quit doing that a few years ago and he is now treated with the utmost deference by the movers and shakers of media-lib opinion and indoctrination.
I wonder why? Is it because petrodollars and the media-lib cultural bias toward criminality have brought them around to the National Socialist view of the Jooooos? Watching the disgraceful kapo Jon Stewart the other day, I could certainly believe it.

221 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:10:45pm

/into the room
Pat Pukeanan doesn't speak for THIS conservative!
/gone

222 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:11:54pm

re: #217 pegcity

Hindus and Jews/Israel have much in common. That's a relationship that needs developing.

223 naftalim  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:13:56pm

Of course, it makes sense. How else could we warn 4000 Jews not to go to work at the Twin Towers that day if didn't plan 9/11? We also used a moving company, who would have suspected us?

Wait till the next expose: Israelis caused the breakup of Shania Twains marriage.

224 Maine's Michael  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:15:49pm

re: #218 WriterMom

No email. ;(

Try one last time. I just disabled the spam filter on the pop server I use at work.

225 Maine's Michael  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:16:21pm

re: #222 WriterMom

Me likes indian food. A lot.

226 Maine's Michael  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:17:56pm

re: #220 Shiplord Kirel

see #145:

Buchanan smells fertile ground for his nasty, agenda laden theories.

If you go far enough left, and far enough right, you meet up in Jew Hate land.

227 Spiny Norman  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:18:29pm

re: #220 Shiplord Kirel

Back in the 90s, authoritative liberal news sources like the Daily Show routinely ridiculed Buchanan as a Nazi, overlaying video of his speeches with a soundtrack from one of Hitler's rants; that kind of subtle stuff.
They quit doing that a few years ago and he is now treated with the utmost deference by the movers and shakers of media-lib opinion and indoctrination.
I wonder why? Is it because petrodollars and the media-lib cultural bias toward criminality have brought them around to the National Socialist view of the Jooooos? Watching the disgraceful kapo Jon Stewart the other day, I could certainly believe it.

Pat became their favorite "conservative" because of his loud opposition to Bush's "neocon" foreign polices. The fact that the mainstream liberal/left media culture has come around to his "anti-zionist" views is merely a "happy coincidence" (and yet more proof of Blair's Law).

228 J.S.  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:18:37pm

re: #200 kansas

In your original post you wrote "Plus, who would they [the Mossad] tell? The FBI." Actually, spy agencies around the world have contacts. This is no big secret. The Mossad works in conjunction with its counterparts in North America (in the United States, that means, the CIA). They share information. In the 9/11 commission reports -- around the time of August 2001 there were numerous, on-going reports about "something big" about to happen. What the Commission found, however, was that the "intelligence" such as it was, was too general -- it was not actionable intelligence...it was just vague warnings about terrorists entering the United States and planning something big. What can be done with that sort of info? As the commission concluded, not much, just be on heightened alert.

229 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:20:45pm

re: #120 Grantman

I've always looked at Pat Buchanan as the Al Sharpton of the right. Neither one has been disowned.

Sad...pitiful, actually.

And Sean Hannity has Sharpton on the show as well, pretty often.

(For "balance," I guess.)

230 Q  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:26:23pm

re: #204 ladycatnip

I simply have zero tolerance for Islamo-apologetics, whatever part of the political circus it comes from.

232 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:26:24pm

Michael-I just sent two more tries...if not-you can e-mail me, and I'll reply or use my 'real' name address...instead of my LGF address.

233 Maine's Michael  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:31:24pm

re: #232 WriterMom

done.

234 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:31:49pm

re: #109 Zevy

Is he saying the FIRST tower COLLAPSED just 16 minutes after the FIRST plane struck? That makes no sense whatsoever. Wasn't it about an hour later when the first tower collapsed?

There you go with your facts again. Now, cut it out!

235 Q  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:35:47pm

re: #227 Spiny Norman

Pat became their favorite "conservative" because of his loud opposition to Bush's "neocon" foreign polices. The fact that the mainstream liberal/left media culture has come around to his "anti-zionist" views is merely a "happy coincidence" (and yet more proof of Blair's Law).

Actually, the absence of a rational criticism/loyal opposition to those policies is one of the reasons they've been allowed to go so disastrously wrong.

236 David Simon  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:36:53pm

re: #133 galtg

it was Pat Buchanan's hate-filled speech at the '92 Rep. convention that helped put bill Clinton in the white house..he's an idiot..and a it's a disgrace he calls himself a conservative.

what really sucks is I just had a bit of a debate with a liberal relative of mine..I said progressive liberals are the new raving anti-Semites of the country..she went on to ask me not to paint all liberals with that brush..

she went on to ask aren't there anti-semitic conservatives?/..now what do I say?

As far as the pundits, there's Buchanan, Robert Novak, Grover Norquist, Georgie Ann Geyer...maybe a few others.

237 colin nelson  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:40:43pm

The best that can be done about the likes of PB is to continue to expose him.

That said, when supposedly responsible broadcast and cable networks give him an open platform rather than a grilling, we are not seeing 'exposure' but rather the marks of "fellow travelers"

238 Independent Voter123  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:41:36pm

I have seen a report, and read one (many years ago...don't ask me for attribution), that in fact those movers were taken into custody that day. Is that true? I don't know, so I am honestly asking. I remember reading that some were in fact illegal aliens and sent back to Israel. According to reports, their reaction did provoke attention; however, if they were in fact what they are accused of, wouldn't they be pretty dumb to react that way? And if they were cunning enough to be in on it, wouldn't they be smart enough to not draw attention to themselves on one of the most awful days in US history? Were these movers apprehended or not?

239 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:42:18pm

re: #233 Maine's Michael

I SEE YOU...lol. I got it....

240 Maine's Michael  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:42:19pm

re: #231 SeafoodGumbo

Pic from LGF archives of Pat Buchanan meeting with the Vlaams Belang's Filip DeWinter and Frank Vanhecke.

Filip bears a grudge against the Jews since his parents told him the crafty, thieving Jews stole the 'P' from his name, forcing them into using an 'F'.

241 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:46:03pm

re: #240 Maine's Michael

Damn those dastardly Joooos. Is there NOTHING they won't stoop to?

Or sfoop to?

242 Maine's Michael  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:46:53pm

re: #238 Independent Voter123

I recall something similar.

If you will recall, this was at a time when Israel was sucking up terrorism on a daily basis and still told to bend over for more - and being villified for not doing so, by this very administration.

I believe one of the movers said something to the effect (and I paraphrase) that 'now the USA will know what we are up against and be less demanding of us to tolerate terrorism against us.We're all in the same boat, etc.'

He was wrong on that, just as he was wrong for 'celebrating'.

I don't have a link. I do recall it being offered as an 'explanation'.

243 Maine's Michael  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:47:40pm

re: #241 WriterMom

Damn those dastardly Joooos. Is there NOTHING they won't stoop to?

Or sfoop to?

Nope. We even stole the 'w' from ourselves.

244 Maine's Michael  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:48:40pm

And the Sephardim stole the 'taff' from the Ashkenazim.

We're a miserable bunch, I tell you.

245 SeafoodGumbo  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:50:07pm

re: #240 Maine's Michael

Filip bears a grudge against the Jews since his parents told him the crafty, thieving Jews stole the 'P' from his name, forcing them into using an 'F'.

He's probably got a sister named Stanley.

246 strandedsf  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:50:08pm

Sean Hannity needs to STOP having Buchanan on his show, as does Laura Ingraham.

We simply cannot have the "conservative" movement being blamed for this TrooferPaulian dreck.

It's time for another William F. Buckley purge. The timing couldn't be better.

247 Independent Voter123  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:50:56pm

re: #246 strandedsf

Buchanan has always seemed a bit strange to me. Not a fan.

248 Opinionated  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:51:04pm

re: #238 Independent Voter123

According to reports, their reaction did provoke attention; however, if they were in fact what they are accused of, wouldn't they be pretty dumb to react that way?

They were seen miles and miles away in New Jersey. Their reaction- as it was- was highly subjective to an observer.

From their location maybe they could see the top of the WTC. Nothing else. A strange location for surveillance.

Suppose you were in their place. You get out of your car/van in a NJ location and in the far distance you see the top of the WTC on fire. Nothing says you heard the cause. Don't you manifest a rise in excitement. Don't you even strain to get a better look. Maybe jump on something to get higher.

In the heat of the moment how do you look to an old woman looking out a window?

Those are the facts of this incident with the movers.

A natural reaction of people that occurred thousands of times that day.

249 pembroke1624  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:51:09pm

Pat Buchanan is repulsive. He's an anti-Semite and a stupid isolationist. He does great damage to the conservative cause in America and to Republicans, mostly because it appears to most people that he is still a Republican (he left the Republican Party ages ago).

250 Maine's Michael  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:52:29pm

Hey Hannity, are you reading LGF today?

You're torpedoing your base, just like Bush did.

Smarten up.

251 Independent Voter123  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 1:59:34pm

re: #250 Maine's Michael

I'm not a fan of Hannity, but I think he may just in fact be, in his mind, dedicated to his "conservative" views, as he sees them. It ALSO gets many of the people listening to him agitated (and many agree). I don't agree with some things he says, but he's savvy.

252 StinkHammer  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:02:59pm

re: #250 Maine's Michael

Hey Hannity, are you reading LGF today?

You're torpedoing your base, just like Bush did.

Smarten up.

I find Hannity -- while appearing to be a nice enough fellow personally -- something of a hack. I've never heard anything intellectual or insightful from him, just hackneyed boilerplate. Anyone attuned to rightist/conservative ideological sympathies pretty much already knows the things he articulates. There are much better (conservative) radio hosts out there (usually in local, smaller markets, sadly).

253 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:12:47pm
254 arier_tzvi  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:16:55pm

so when are the pogroms going to start against the Jews?

255 DJ Wahaba  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:44:43pm

re: #254 arier_tzvi

so when are the pogroms going to start against the Jews?

I must say it does resemble the happy 30's when the Infidels (sorry, Jews) were the blame for everything.
And it most be true if the official Barak Obama Site publishes it...


/ppppppfffffffffffffff

256 code red 21  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:48:39pm

I think Pat has jumped the shark...he is so blinded by his hatred of the Jewish people that the truth could walk up and smack him upside the head and he wouldn't acknowledge it. What a fool and what a tool for the jihadists.

257 zebulah  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 2:54:28pm

The Dancing Israeli story has been thoroughly explored at 911myths.org:
[Link: www.911myths.com...]

As an American, a New Yorker and a Jew the story of the Dancing Israelis really freaked me out. But 911myths did a great job at unraveling the mess. And of course our friends at American Conservative do their best to re-ravel it.

258 sngnsgt  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:03:34pm

Pat Buchanan is an enemy of the United States.

259 harley2002  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:04:21pm

Ok

Buchanan is a strange person. But as far as Isreali spies there have been some caught and put in jail for spying on our country. And if a couple are caught this surely means there are more. That does does not make all Jews and Isreal a bad country. It just makes it another country looking out for it's own interest just like we do. It does make me uneasy here as it seems any anti Isreal talk here no matter how minor gets that person ripped to shreds in a nano second. As far as Buchanin educate me. I pay no attention to him. Tell me why you all think he is so antisemtic with facts not rumors of what he has done.

260 yochanan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:15:53pm

pat PUKEANAN looks good in a brown note/shirt just like father cauglin's silver shirt anti semitic isolationists.

261 steveoh  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:47:07pm

re: #259 harley2002

You go out and do the research. This site does not rip to shreds any anti Israel posting, just the idiotic and ill informed ones like yours.

262 Crusader Rabbit  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:52:57pm

re: #205 Tazzerman


Pat is not ONLY a racist, he's xenophobic AND anti-semetic. Not to mention anti-hispanic, anti-asian and anti-anyone else who doesn't quite fit his mold. He's what we USED to call a WASP.

He's neither AS nor P. Not that any of that makes a difference. I doubt many adherents to his religion nor members of his tribe who read this would care to claim him as one of their own.

What he is, is what we used to call a "Raving Lunatic" but since Ron Paul's campaign many now erroneously call a "Libertarian".

263 Empire1  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:55:25pm

re: #25 Ben Hur

Self = Pagan Zionist and Judeophile ... izzat okay?

264 chemicalcorpse  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:56:52pm

Sean Hannity is too far up everyone's ass who can make him a dollar it's not funny...

The guy is all about publicity for marketing and sales (read any of his books?); he's done well for himself but sold his soul in the process.

Empty, vacuous shell claiming credit for the hard work of others (Debbie and Mike)...

Buchanan has some very 19th century perspectives that never cease to demonstrate his overly simplistic mindset on international affairs

265 mjbrutus  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 3:58:33pm

I guess I'll need to work on my vocabulary because I am not capable of finding the words to express the feeling of disgust and loathing I hold for Pat the Rat. I can certainly understand the Commie News Network (remember his moronic Crossfire show with Kinsley?) and those in the Lame Stream Media trotting this piece of human garbage out to represent "conservatism," but it is beyond the pale that Fox news has contributed to this vile travesty.

266 mjbrutus  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:04:15pm

re: #259 harley2002

While it's certainly true that the Israelis have spied on us, that is entirely different from implicating them in any foreknowledge or complicity in 9/11. The very idea that Israel was in any way involved in the act of terror committed by AQ is too despicable to warrant a response. Anyone who so much as implies such a scurrilous, malicious lie is beneath contempt.

267 Flavia  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:05:04pm

re: #135 kansas

I am not an anti-semite although I do get frustrated that Israel doesn't just lower the boom on the Arabs

It is because of anti-Semites that she cannot.
Every time she tries to even punish the PLO, et al, for an attack, she is hamstrung by cries of "excessive force!", UN Resolutions, etc.

& you aren't in the least antisemitic for being frustrated - lots of Jews are, too - we're just frustrated at circumstances rather than Israel.

268 mjbrutus  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:10:10pm

Hannity is a one-trick pony. His formula is ridiculously simple and he never varies. He simply repeats a laundry list of bullets and quotes and harasses his subject by demanding one word confirmation or denials. It seems some people never tire of the same shtick.

269 profitsbeard  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:14:32pm

Shouldn't the cartoon noses of the cartoon Jerws on the cartoon version of a 'conservative' magazine be BIGGER?

That Hannity, et al, still talk to this flatulent jackanape says bad things about their judgment.

270 MrC_5150  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:18:25pm

re: #268 mjbrutus

Hannity is a one-trick pony. His formula is ridiculously simple and he never varies. He simply repeats a laundry list of bullets and quotes and harasses his subject by demanding one word confirmation or denials. It seems some people never tire of the same shtick.

Don't forget the over sized pen he can't seem to let go of.

271 yochanan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:19:47pm

re: #259 harley2002

Ok

Buchanan is a strange person. But as far as Isreali spies there have been some caught and put in jail for spying on our country. And if a couple are caught this surely means there are more. That does does not make all Jews and Isreal a bad country. It just makes it another country looking out for it's own interest just like we do. It does make me uneasy here as it seems any anti Isreal talk here no matter how minor gets that person ripped to shreds in a nano second. As far as Buchanin educate me. I pay no attention to him. Tell me why you all think he is so antisemtic with facts not rumors of what he has done.

BEEN SUCKING THE CROME OFF TAIL PIPES A BIT TOO MUCH I SEE.

272 mjbrutus  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:21:31pm

re: #270 MrC_5150

Oh yeah, forgot about that. He'd be a mute without his pacifier :-)

273 arizona9  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:24:25pm

Pat Buchanan has been a jew hating pig for a very very long time. That mainstream news has always embraced him has continued to amaze me. From CNN, to MSNBC to Fox, nobody seems to mind that there isn't an accused nazi criminal that Pat hasn't defended. I also remember Pat's close relationship with a holocaust denier. Pat had to be drug kicking and screaming from the association. Still, Pat's managed to maintain employment in mainstream news.

274 yochanan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:24:57pm

i put PAT PUKEANAN PIC next to my cat's litter box but the cat got upset with me she does not like strange shit in or near her litterbox
for the same reason i can't use the new york slime in her litter box

275 opinionated  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:26:55pm

Can't let Pat have crazy for himself, he needs to share it with others who think like him:

Gadaffi: We fear Israel may kill Barack Obama just as it did JFK

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

276 yochanan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:36:07pm

re: #275 opinionated

Can't let Pat have crazy for himself, he needs to share it with others who think like him:

Gadaffi: We fear Israel may kill Barack Obama just as it did JFK

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

a cuban lacky killed JFK And a pali killed RFK KADAFFI BEEN KISSING TOO MANY GOATS.

277 mjbrutus  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:42:42pm

A continuing source of frustration for me, is how American Jews continue to support Dimocrats in overwhelming numbers. I grew up in NY and men like Ed Koch were political icons. It was understandable how 30 years ago, when Democrats stood for national security and support of our allies such as Israel. I grew up and learned enough about our Constitution, economics, etc to learn how wrong they were in many of their positions, but those were men of character whose hearts were in the right place (and still are).

But the donks slipped the surly bonds of reason around the time of Carter's administration. Steadily they have become the party of antisemitism and cowardice. Ed Koch is a pariah among the donkeys, just like Lieberman. Pat the Rat has much more in common with today's donkey than good men like Koch do.

Anyhoo, back to my original point here, I don't know what it will take for American Jewry to wake the fuck up and smell what the Barack is cooking! I fear that states like CT, NY, PA and NJ which should have no business coming out in favor of Obama (based on the large number of Jewish voters there) and the donks in Nov, based on their thinly-disguised hatred of Israel will do so anyway.

278 Render  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:52:45pm

Let's get something straight here...

It's spelled "I-S-R-A-E-L"

This blog has a very handy spell check feature. Use it.

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279 onepistoffyid  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 4:55:50pm

Obama is shrewdly using anti-semitsm as a political tool. As Benjamin Ginsburg writes in his seminal work "The Fatal Embrace" Black figures such as Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton used Anti-semitism shrewdly as a political strategy to establish their anti-establishment bona fides to African Americans. BO is doing the same and I think he knows exactly what he is doing, and it may be that he is just playing on American jew hatred while he himself may not harbor ill will towards Israel or Jews. In this way he will probably pick up a lot of votes from Ron Paul supporters and Buchananites.

280 MJBrutus  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:02:35pm

re: #279 onepistoffyid

Indeed he is, except for the shrewd part! It's hard to imagine just how much more blatant and obvious he needs to be for so many Jews to get the picture that he is no friend of theirs or of Israel.

281 onepistoffyid  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:06:42pm

re: #280 MJBrutus

Indeed he is, except for the shrewd part! It's hard to imagine just how much more blatant and obvious he needs to be for so many Jews to get the picture that he is no friend of theirs or of Israel.

Many Jews, including most in my family, I have observed have an almost suicidal predisposition to denial and self deception. This is what the Nazis used to herd millions into the gas chambers. You see it in Israel today and in American Jewry-wishful thinking to a pathological level.

282 razorbacker  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:08:19pm

re: #238 Independent Voter123

I have seen a report, and read one (many years ago...don't ask me for attribution), that in fact those movers were taken into custody that day. Is that true? I don't know, so I am honestly asking. I remember reading that some were in fact illegal aliens and sent back to Israel. According to reports, their reaction did provoke attention; however, if they were in fact what they are accused of, wouldn't they be pretty dumb to react that way? And if they were cunning enough to be in on it, wouldn't they be smart enough to not draw attention to themselves on one of the most awful days in US history? Were these movers apprehended or not?

[Link: query.nytimes.com...]

In New York, immigration officials began deporting five young Israeli moving men who have been in federal custody since Sept. 11. Two of the deportees, Oded Ellner and Omer Gavriel Marmari, landed in Tel Aviv yesterday. The others, Paul Kurzberg and his brother Sivan, and Yaron Shmuel, were expected to fly to Israel today.

The five aroused attention in New Jersey after people noticed them going to unusual lengths to photograph the World Trade Center ruins and making light of the situation. One photograph developed by the F.B.I. showed Sivan Kurzberg holding a lighted lighter in the foreground, with the smoldering wreckage in the background, said Steven Noah Gordon, a lawyer for the five.

As objectionable as their behavior may be, Mr. Gordon said of their long incarceration, ''It's not a crime and they were being treated as if it was.''

They were not convicted, nor charged with anything related to the attacks.

283 opinionated  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:17:44pm

re: #282 razorbacker

One photograph developed by the F.B.I. showed Sivan Kurzberg holding a lighted lighter in the foreground, with the smoldering wreckage in the background

Maybe I'm missing something.

How does one see the "smoldering wreckage" of the towers from New Jersey, much less photograph them?

284 Former Belgian  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:30:23pm

re: #98 yochanan

i vote for calling him PAT PUKEANAN
any seconds?

Somebody the other day called him Pat PukeCannon.

And then there's Pat PukeOnan.

285 razorbacker  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:39:48pm

re: #283 opinionated

Maybe I'm missing something.

How does one see the "smoldering wreckage" of the towers from New Jersey, much less photograph them?

I don't know. You'd have to ask the Times about that.

286 Former Belgian  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:50:14pm

re: #277 mjbrutus

A continuing source of frustration for me, is how American Jews continue to support Dimocrats in overwhelming numbers. I grew up in NY and men like Ed Koch were political icons. It was understandable how 30 years ago, when Democrats stood for national security and support of our allies such as Israel. I grew up and learned enough about our Constitution, economics, etc to learn how wrong they were in many of their positions, but those were men of character whose hearts were in the right place (and still are).

But the donks slipped the surly bonds of reason around the time of Carter's administration. Steadily they have become the party of antisemitism and cowardice. Ed Koch is a pariah among the donkeys, just like Lieberman. Pat the Rat has much more in common with today's donkey than good men like Koch do.

Anyhoo, back to my original point here, I don't know what it will take for American Jewry to wake the fuck up and smell what the Barack is cooking! I fear that states like CT, NY, PA and NJ which should have no business coming out in favor of Obama (based on the large number of Jewish voters there) and the donks in Nov, based on their thinly-disguised hatred of Israel will do so anyway.

In a few lines:
* elderly Jews are still stuck in the old paradigm: GOP="Restricted country clubs", Dems="looking out for the little guy". Some are waking up and seeing that snObama and his buddies are bad news. Older Jews generally do care (a lot) about Israel, but the Dems can always scare them into submission with horror scenarios of how the GOP will destroy or abolish Medicare.
* of the younger ones, the religiously Orthodox ones went Bush 2:1 in the 2004 election, and in general tend to be politically conservative
* the Conservative (Judaism) movement is shrinking, as it loses the next generation to both Orthodoxy and Reform
* Reform Judaism, as preached in this country, is basically political liberalism with a Jewish sauce, and its members vote according to the stuff they hear off the pulpit. Some are anti-Zionist, other do care about Israel but it is a care that competes with Glowbul Worming hysteria,
"antisocial injustice", and the like.
(The first time I heard somebody refer to abortion "rights" as "a Jewish value" I nearly exploded.)
* Religiously unaffiliated Jews (both JINOs and those who consider themselves "culturally Jewish") often work in typical "New Class" professions (public administration, education, law, academia, ...) and tend to adopt the outlook typical of members of the New Class (Jewish or not).

287 Areopagitica  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 5:58:51pm

Pat must really be trying hard to be awarded the knight's cross with oakleaves. That iron cross first class just wasn't enough for him.

I saw him on MSNBC yesterday morning on Joe Scarborough's show and it was pathetic how they were lauding his piece of crap book. Next thing you know, he's going to say that the evil Jooos forced the polish government to resist the Nazi invasion instead of peacefully rolling over.

Pat Bucannan = F%$#tard

288 Daisy  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:09:00pm

re: #165 csa945

Is that the same D'Souza who has suggested that since the Islamists hate us for our freedom, we should just get rid of our freedom?

No. That would be a different person. Alternatively, if you are actually citing the same Dinesh D'Souza that I've written about, it might indicate a need to improve your reading comprehension skills.

289 Maine's Michael  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:12:52pm

Jew hatred: What's old is new again!

290 Daisy  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:17:22pm

re: #157 unrealizedviewpoint

"Hannity is doing a different kind of show. I enjoy the way he mocks them right in front of them."

You're quite right, it is a different type of show. And you're certainly free to enjoy whatever show you decide listen to. My main point is that I believe Hannity does more harm than good to Conservativism, and does that, despite his often good ideas.

291 Alibaba  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:19:42pm

Perhaps Pat Pukecanon should check out the movers known as the "Mother truckers" - I am sure he could relate to them. Does anybody read Pat's drecky magazine?re: #3 Occasional Reader

292 Alibaba  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:21:42pm

re: #286 Former Belgian
I know that Koch had endorsed Hillary over Hussein Obama. Is he going to support McCain now? I would not be surprised if he did.

293 Alibaba  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:23:10pm

re: #13 Typicalwhitey
Yes, and why do Hannity, Monica Crowley, et al. fawn over him? Don't they realize the damage he does? HE IS NOT A REPUBLICAN - but people look at him and think that he is!

294 Alibaba  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:24:51pm

re: #24 buzzsawmonkey
"Pat, your book was great - but it was better in the ORIGINAL GERMAN."

295 TalkinKamel  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:25:33pm

re: #285 razorbacker

Yeah, I know; "The smoldering wreckage of the towers." From New Joisey.

Anyhoo. . .

Even if these Israeli immigrants were demented enough to actually rejoice over 9/11 (and I don't think they were), that still has to be balanced against the Palestinians dancing for joy in the streets, the widespread merriment throughout the Arab world on 9/11, and the fact that the 19 hijackers were Moslems---15, I believe, from our "friend" Saudi Arabia.

Not to mention Osama bin Ladin gloating over the atrocity, on tape.

Sorry, Pat, I'm not buying an Israeli conspiracy.

296 TalkinKamel  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:29:08pm

re: #259 harley2002

Educate yourself. Start paying atteniton to Buchanan.

(Sorry, but in this case, the suggestion that Israel was somehow involved in the 9/11 attacks is so heinous, and ridiculous, it deserves to be torn to shreds.)

297 Alibaba  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:32:16pm

According to Pat, when Hitler said "First Germany, then the whole world", he was only joking. It's all Churchill's fault!re: #75 Spiny Norman

298 Daisy  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:33:51pm

re: #187 SeafoodGumbo

I agree. It's not his ideas - it's his delivery. Conservative ideas deserve to be delivered better than Hannity delivers. This seems especially important w/the country seriously endangered if Obama becomes President.

I've never bought the idea that Bush is stupid because he's somewhat inarticulate. Having said that, Bush is inarticulate. On the other hand, Obama may not have anything worth saying - at least politically - but he sure does say 'nothing' articulately. With this in mind, I think Hannity's style may backfire where before it succeeded.

299 Opinionated  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:34:30pm

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is jumping up and down taking credit for 9/11 and is begging to die so that Allah will reward him his virgins, but that's not enough proof for Buchanan and the other crazies.

They insist picture taking Israelis in a van in NJ were complicit.

I'm telling you, it may be long after we are gone, but sooner or later they are going to discover that crazy anti Semitism has a physical brain abnormality component.

300 TalkinKamel  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:35:49pm

re: #257 zebulah

It sounds like the "dancing Israeli" story is entirely based on the testimony of one witness, "Maria", who didn't want her last name used (there's a credible witness for ya!), who was, apparently, watching the men through binoculars (again, that's a real reliable way of telling what was going on), and thought they didn't seem shocked enough, and they "appeared" to be making a movie.

They can't even get the numbers straight here; was it 3 or 5 dancing Israelis? And, if "Maria" couldn't even tell how many there were, how could she know if they were happy, dancing, making a film or what they were doing?

301 yochanan  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:46:56pm

re: #284 Former Belgian

been calling him pat PUKEANAN for a long time.

302 AsianObserver  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 6:50:12pm

Giraldi is a pal of Vince Cannistraro. Both are former CIA agents obsessed with getting Israel.

If you read carefully most mainsteram-media articles about Israeli spies, movers, art students, etc, their sole source usually turns out to be Cannistraro.

There's even a rumour the CIA let him go because of his anti-Israeli obsession.

303 kansas  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:06:40pm

re: #267 Flavia

It is because of anti-Semites that she cannot.
Every time she tries to even punish the PLO, et al, for an attack, she is hamstrung by cries of "excessive force!", UN Resolutions, etc.

& you aren't in the least antisemitic for being frustrated - lots of Jews are, too - we're just frustrated at circumstances rather than Israel.



Thanks for the support. But cannot is not the same as will not. I don't care what the UN and the anti semites say. Israel is only as hamstrung as it allows itself to be. I think. I vote for overwhelming destruction of the Arab aggressors. Let em whine.

304 kansas  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:09:20pm

re: #228 J.S.

My original post should have had a question mark after FBI, as in I was asking who would these supposed agents have delivered this information to, the FBI? The FBI had plenty of info and did squat with it. So would the CIA, NSA, and probably NCIS although I think Gibbs probably would have acted.

305 Daisy  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:17:19pm

re: #172 SeafoodGumbo

Seafood Gumbo .. came late to your comment and have only moments. Can I refer you to Distant Thunder, #186? He comes really close to my understanding about D'Souza - who was really suggesting that Conservatives take the trouble to align themselves more respectfully w/the values of traditional Islam - and for the same purpose - stop trying to persuade the Left that Al Quaeda is not worse than Bush (they don't care - they fervently believe Bush is worse) but to spend our time more productively to more publicly discredit the Left's world corrupting agenda - the Left's useful idiots create common cause w/the Islamist agenda of radicalizing traditional Islam - whose members are rightfully disgusted by the version of America the Left imports through fairly disgraceful Hollywood versions of supposed American - but really Leftist - values (including 'international law' and abortion rights for one and all - which really are an attack not only on the USA but on people everywhere).

D'Souza is not an apologist for Islam, however, he does model a functional way for Conservatives to prevent the spread of radical Islam by finding and developing the already natural alliances that exist between traditional peoples the world over: Love of family and pride of culture - religious and otherwise.

We ought not to be letting the Left define us worldwide - and we ought not be wasting our time wondering what Europe thinks of us - but spend more time cultivating real bonds where they can exist. Pragmatically, it's either Al quaeda or Conservatives who get to bond w/traditional Islam. Al Quaeda has an edge .. the religious beliefs are the same as w/the traditionalists (Spencer is right there) .. but Daniel Pipes is probably more right. Mainly, traditional Islam does not necessarily need to be become radicalized and to prevent it Conservatives need to seek common cause w/Islam's traditional values - and stop bashing all of Islam. From the traditionalist perspective the Left degrades everything w/ moral relativism and the Right threatens the natural order w/books "proving" that Islam evil. Is it any surprise then that Al Quaeda begins to look like a good alternative?

For serious lack of time, I can't say more - although I wish I could! Bottom line for me is that D'Souza has managed to persuade me that his ideas are quite credible .. I'm thinking differently about my own attitude towards Islam .. and that took some doing! Maybe you want to read D'Souza's book on the subject "The Enemy at Home" .. he does make his points much more effectively then I do :)!

306 anand  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:26:24pm

Buchanan thinks Zohan did 9/11?

307 right_wing2  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:35:04pm

I stopped reading Buchanan's bilge a few years ago.

308 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 7:48:32pm

Buchanan is a doddering paleocon and a neo isolationist.

He isn't a nazi and calling him one diminishes the label.

The best course is to factually refute him and then ignore him.

309 vbspurs  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:10:01pm

I have to out myself as really disliking Pat Buchanan.

He is symptomatic of the so-called "Paleocon" mindset of OLD-fashioned John Birch Society conservatism, one which personally has always filled me with nausea.

They are isolationist anti-semites xenophobes who would rather shake hands with their enemies, than to fight a just cause (you can see this in the post above, with the White Supremacists/Neo-Nazis backing Obama, and with the BNP's pro-Palestine views).

This is the same Pat Buchanan whose book, "Churchill, Hitler, and "The Unnecessary War": How Britain Lost Its Empire and the West Lost the World" said if the British and Americans had just acceded to Hitler's demands to take the Low Countries, we would've averted millions of US lives lost, and the British our empire.

I cannot tell you how wrong-headed, how flawed, how criminal that kind of thinking is -- but then I don't have to. Lizards overwhelmingly understand what I mean.

About Buchanan and his ilk, I echo Ivan Klima who wrote once:

"Of all the garbage that swamps us and threatens us by its breath of decay, the most dangerous are the masses of discarded ideas".

310 DesScorp  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:19:59pm

Pat Buchanan is a very smart, very eloquent man... most of the time. He's a lot like Louis Farrakhan in that 90 percent of what he says makes a lot of sense; you know... clean living, personal honor, the work ethic, etc. But then he hits you with that other 10 percent, and ohhh boy, stand by...

311 EE  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 8:27:19pm

Pat Buchanan has been involved in: praising, justifying, apologizing for and defending Hitler; defending Nazis (Demjanjuk); denial that the Nazis had gas chambers; demonization of the Jews by atttributing to them excessive power; fabricating lies about the Jewish state; spreading hatred of the Jewish state. If you consider these all together and connect the dots, there doesn't seem to be any other plausible explanation other than Pat Buchanan's hatred of the Jews. Taken together, it's too much to be a coincidence, or to have some other explanation.

312 SpartanWoman  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:10:10pm

re: #5 Honorary Yooper

Yes indeed, and if I hear him on Hannity or Crowley one more time I'll start emailing their sponsors.

313 SpartanWoman  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:11:40pm

re: #301 yochanan

been calling him pat PUKEANAN for a long time.

Puke-Cannon is far more evocative, IMO

314 Maine's Michael  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 9:17:49pm

To many Jews, Buchanan represents Republicanism.

Of course they are wrong, but they have not been republicans, and do not know better, and Buchanan makes a lot of smoke as he says hes a conservative republican.

And a Republican cheerleader on one of the most watched networks/program, Hannity, treats him like a well loved older brother.

Its enough to have them veer away.

It reminds them of less happy times.

315 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 10:07:59pm

re: #314 Maine's Michael

I figured out Pat's role in the cosmic order: the 2000 Florida butterfly ballot fiasco. If I recall correctly, Gore lost quite a few votes when elderly Jews voted for Pat by accident.

316 Mike Nargizian  Wed, Jun 11, 2008 10:42:31pm

Right after Rafiq Harriri was assasinated Buchanan's blood curdled mind was already feverishly typing away his next column.
PAT BUCHANAN JUST CAN'T HELP HIMSELF hints Rafiq Harriri a false flage Mossad operation hint hint hint hintDAILY SCORECARD 2005

see also - LEBANON BEING LEFT TO HANG

'Baiting a Trap for Bush?'
before the blood on the streets of Beirut was even dry. Without a shred of evidence outside of his tunnel visioned hate he hinted at reasons why it was an Israeli false flag operation and not a crude Syrian assassination.
317 AsianObserver  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:03:12am

I think everbody is so busy blaming Buchanan (who does deserve blame) that they are forgetting the strange-bedfellow alliance of paleo-conservatives like Novak with the gang of retired anti-war CIA officers (Cannistraro, Giraldi, McGovern), all with some sort of bone up their butt about Israel.

There have been more than one article like this about Israeli moving men and art students and 9/11 which, upon close reading, turn out to have a single source - Cannistraro, who now employs his buddy Giraldi in his war against the Jews.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

318 Jed  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:23:18am

I truly feel sorry for Buchanan. Hate of Jews and love of the Nazis has fixated his whole life. He missed his calling by being born 5 centuries too late. He could have been the Grand Inquisitor in Spain and just tortured and killed Jews.

Or if he were born in Germany in 1900, he could have sent so many to the gas chambers in 1930-40.

Poor Pat.

319 TalkinKamel  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:56:58am

re: #317 AsianObserver

Which is just another reason for taking all these stories about dancing Israeli art students/moving men/spies with a few grains of salt---if not the entire shaker.

(Stories, apparently, mostly relayed by the trustworthy, anonymous, "Maria.")

320 TalkinKamel  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 7:59:39am

re: #314 Maine's Michael

I'm beginning to worry that, with Buckley, Reagan, Goldwater and some of the real, old-time conservatives gone, the party's going to start sliding back into isolationism/racism.

If this happens, at some point the "conservatives" and the howling moonbats are going to meet in the center, and give each other a big, sloppy kiss, united by their hatred of Israel and America. (No, paleoconservatives do not love America; they consider her weak, sloppy and corrupt---just like the Left does.)

321 Vikingstar  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:01:06am

Did you ever have the feeling that you were drowning in a sea of antisemitic tools? They seem to be everywhere these days.

322 TalkinKamel  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 8:45:36am

re: #321 Vikingstar

Viking, my man, I get that feeling all the time! And if it seems like they're everywhere these days, I'm afraid it's because---they are!

I suspect a lot of goons, creeps, losers and racists have just been biding their time, harboring their hates and fantasies of oppression until the time when they could come goose-stepping triumphantly out of the closet. That time has come.

(There are a lot of reasons for this; I must say, the media's relentless idealization of the noble (haw) Yassir Arafat, the oppressed Palestinian uber-victims and their abused olive trees, and admiration of terrorists in general since the 70's onwards led to a lot of people going negative on Israel, and, consequently, Jews.)

323 TalkinKamel  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 11:53:10am

Meanwhile, here's what's going on in England. [Link: www.thetrumpet.com...]

324 Joel  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 12:06:38pm

I too have noticed that with sickening regularity how Pat Buchenwald keeps turning up on Hannity & Colmes where the egomaniac Hannity and the feret faced Colmes fawn all over him.

325 SunCat  Thu, Jun 12, 2008 4:28:15pm

Sorry, Pat, but you're nuts--Jeremy Rifkin nuts.


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